MTGM EXTRA! "Weaponised incompetence."

Summary

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My Therapist Ghosted Me — MTGM EXTRA! "Weaponised Incompetence."

Hosts: Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally

Date: September 10, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this lively bonus episode, Vogue and Joanne catch up on their usual mix of hilarity, honesty, and relatable life struggles. The main focus is a listener email seeking advice on "weaponised incompetence"—when a partner feigns cluelessness to avoid household chores—which leads to confessions, stories, and some surprisingly pragmatic advice. The episode features classic banter about touring, parenting, relationships, self-acceptance, and, as always, plenty of personal oversharing.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

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Welcome & Catching Up (00:02 - 03:02)

• Vogue arrives late, distracted by mum duties:

  • Vogue juggling three children’s wardrobes, admits to losing track of time.
  • Joanne teases, comparing Vogue to a viral video depicting distracted incompetence.

• Honesty about cosmetic work:

  • Vogue recounts telling a school mum she's had Botox. Reflects on the oddity of her honesty outside her "bubble."
  • Joanne advocates just taking the compliment:

    "If someone goes, I like your top. I go, it's nice, isn't it? Because I realized I didn't make the top... just wearing what someone else has made." (Joanne, 01:46)

• Compliment culture:

  • Discussion about the Irish tendency to deflect praise with self-criticism.

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Touring, Comedy, and Living Clean (03:02 - 06:25)

• Joanne talks about her tour:

  • First big show in Glasgow—surprisingly high ticket sales.
  • Describes continuous evolution of the show, always 'tinkering' until the end.

    "The show has to grow and evolve... I still want this huge ending, which I'm still trying to figure out." (Joanne, 03:42)

• Matinee shows and audience wishes:

  • Both joke about ideal performance times for tired mums.

    "I'd love a matinee. It would really suit me." (Vogue, 06:58)

• New, healthier routines while touring:

  • Joanne vows to avoid pre-show drinks, intent on staying fit and “together” throughout the tour.
  • Praises her tour manager’s restraint and routine.

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Parenting, Clothing, and Passing Things On (10:03 - 12:05)

• Clearing out kids’ wardrobes:

  • Kids grow fast, hand-me-downs abound.
  • Vogue saves special items for sentimental or practical reasons.

• Presenting kids’ clothing gifts:

  • Joanne’s “system”: gifts for now, and for “growing into,” so they last longer.

    "So I give them something to work towards, to grow into...I feel like my present is more appreciated." (Joanne, 11:23)

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Food, Gross-Outs & Childhood Memories (12:05 - 13:19)

• On eating noises:
  • Joanne recalls being traumatized by a French host family’s noisy eater.
  • Vogue tells a “gross but honest” story about daughter Gigi’s egg-y kiss:

    "She had egg in her mouth...please swallow your egg first. But please don't make me eat the egg off your lips." (Vogue, 13:04)

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Advice Email: “Weaponised Incompetence” (13:19 - 21:53)

Listener Letter Highlights (13:19 - 14:37)

• A woman suspects her husband is feigning incompetence to avoid chores (“I don't know how to use the washing machine”). She wants to stop feeling like his mother or resort to a Netflix true crime scenario.

Vogue & Joanne’s Advice:

• Vogue’s Take:

  • Don’t wash his clothes; let him face the consequences.
  • Handles similar issues at home (“Which one’s the dryer?”) and recognizes sometimes “genuine” incompetence.

• Joanne’s Take:

  • Advocates for a direct confrontation:

    "I think, like, have a showdown. Show how angry you are. If someone does everything for you, you get very used to it very quickly." (Joanne, 16:07)

  • Suggests having him pay for a cleaner if he refuses to chip in, or simply shifting the dynamic.

• General Reflections:

  • Not all incompetence is intentional; some genuinely haven't learned.

  • Shared stories of personal incompetence and family enabling bad habits.

    "A lot of what married women…are raising their husbands. Let's be honest, you know what I mean? They're almost like another job." (Joanne, 20:39)

  • Accept what you can't change about your partner—do what's manageable and delegate the rest.

  • Encouragement for independent living and life skills.

• Playful Exit Strategies:

  "And there's always divorce. You know me, I'm a huge fan. Your girlfriends will be delighted. Come back to the fold." (Joanne, 21:40)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On compliments:

  "I didn't make the top... I'm just wearing what someone else has made." (Joanne, 01:46)

• On honesty about Botox:

  "You're in your honest era. So you're just telling everyone everything. I love it." (Joanne, 01:46)

• On show evolution:

  "I'm still trying to figure out I want this, like, huge ending, which I'm still trying to figure out. But, yeah, it was a good shout..." (Joanne, 03:42)

• On weaponised incompetence:

  "If there was an Olympic event for pretending not to know how to do basic household tasks, he'd bring home the gold." (Listener email, 14:00)

  "I think kick off, like. I think kick off. I do." (Joanne, 16:07)

• On coping with mess:

  "I live alone…just to have my own place and just f*** it up…throw Ragu on the wall if I want…” (Joanne, 21:21)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Catching up & distractions: 00:02 – 01:46
• Compliment culture, honesty: 01:46 – 03:02
• Tour & routines: 03:02 – 06:25
• Parenting talk: 10:03 – 12:05
• Gross-out food anecdotes: 12:05 – 13:19
• Advice email & “Weaponised incompetence”: 13:19 – 21:53

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Tone & Style

The episode is dense with rapid-fire banter, self-deprecation, and a mutual willingness to reveal personal and family quirks. The hosts maintain a playful, warm, and irreverent tone—balancing practical advice with classic comedic oversharing.

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode is classic “My Therapist Ghosted Me”: fast-paced, funny, and honest. Joanne and Vogue share misadventures from home and tour, reflect on the realities of sharing life (and chores) with partners, and provide both solidarity and real-world wisdom for listeners facing the dreaded “weaponised incompetence.” If you love candid chats about life’s ridiculousness, punctuated with Irish wit and empathy, this one’s for you.

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Transcript

[A]

This is a Global Player original podcast. Hello, welcome to the bonus episode of My Therapist Ghosted me with myself, Joelle McNally, and my co host and mother extraordinaire, Vogue Williams. Just to give this to explain why I'm telling the story. Vogue forgot about the podcast today. She's. She's. Well, you're only 13 minutes late, which, you know, whatever. What's 13 minutes between. Between friends anyway? But I was. You said you went. You remembered the part, but then you went and did some. Got distracted and forgot about the pod. And I was just literally having a little scroll, scroll waiting for you, and came across a video of a guy on his phone looking at something, and it with the caption was how easy he gets distracted. And then he turns to show his friends and they're all dead in a car crash. And he was supposed to be in the ambulance and he just forgot and googling something. Oh, funny. That's you.

[B]

That's me. That's you. I was. I was. I'm clearing out three children's wardrobes at the moment. Doing a fantastic job. Thanks for asking. But it is, like, full on Vogue.

[A]

You're frozen.

[B]

Oh, well. Oh, thank God. That's the way I like.

[A]

You look great. Yeah, Exactly. It's taken 10 years off you. You're like a child over there in the frozen pose.

[B]

I went. I was there. I was with Otto's school friends because we had. We did a playground thing today, Anna, and one of the girls was like, you look. You look really different. I was like, yeah, I've had. I've had Botox. And then I was like, oh, my God, that was saying so. Because her face kind of was like, oh. And I was like, oh, maybe it's not like. I know I tell you all the time, but, like, it's probably unusual to other people.

[A]

No, because you're. You're in it. You're. You're in your honest era. So you're just telling everyone everything. I love it. So, yeah, if anyone says anything. And also, it's that very Irish thing of when someone gives you a compliment, you have to send it back by talking about what a piece of shit you are. Although I have to say, I'm actually quite good at taking compliments now. Now I just go, thank you. Thank you. Or if someone goes, I like your top. I go, it's nice, isn't it? Because I realized I didn't make. Yeah, because I didn't make the top. So, like, you know, someone goes, oh, that's a nice dress. You can't go, oh, God, it's a piece of shit. Blah, blah, blah. Someone else made it. You just bought it because you also like it. So it's okay to say thank you. Yeah. It's nice, isn't it? Or someone. I got my hair done the other day. The hair looks nice. I said, thank you. It's nice, isn't it? Because I didn't do the hair. So I. I'm not taking credit for the invention of the dress or the hair. I'm just wearing what someone else has made. So I'm like, yeah, I like it too. Thanks. That's why I bought it.

[B]

I know, I know. I. I'm not at that. Quite at that phase yet, but I understand what you're saying, but like, if someone's like, oh, you look pretty. Well, I'm like, I have so much hair and makeup on.

[A]

Sorry.

[B]

Yeah. So much.

[A]

No, if anyone gives me compliments on my physical appearance, obviously, then I will backtrack and talk about what a ditch pig I am.

[B]

Of course you should have. You should have gone to Spec Savers Promise. Yeah, look that nice.

[A]

You've obviously got. You're obviously blind. Yeah.

[B]

Now tell me, first night of the tour in Glasgow.

[A]

Yes. We're up and running, baby. First, big.

[B]

So excited.

[A]

First of the big. First of the biggies. It was great. Glasgow. Do you know that Glasgow is the third biggest selling city on this tour after London and Dublin? Isn't that mental? There's a. There were kindred spirits.

[B]

There's the Scots.

[A]

We're just sad. But anyway, so it was great. Now the show, I'm still. I will tinker that show. I will be tinkering that show until it's finished tonight. I'm already looking at moving things around and doing the top at the end and the end of the top.

[B]

Sure. When I see it, I'm. It's going to be a different show because when I went at the start of the tour and went to the end of the tour the last time, I was like, John, like, that wasn't the same thing.

[A]

Yeah. The show has to grow and evolve and like, I still. Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out I want this, like, huge ending, which I'm still trying to figure out. But, yeah, it was a good shout, like, there for. I'm telling you, I.

[B]

Why don't you pop out of a cake for the end?

[A]

How would I get in? I'd have to. They'd have to see. They'd see me go in.

[B]

Be a bit awkward. Be a Bit awkward, but give me 10.

[A]

Girls, just talk amongst yourselves. As I. As I pour myself into a cardboard cake and then pop out like a surprise. They're like, we saw you go in. You my. We literally just sat here and watched you climb into the cake. But yeah, that's not. I'd have to shoot myself out of a cannon now. Of course I'm. I am magic cast down. Just pull a chicken out of a hat or something. You're right. You're right.

[B]

Why am I just got it. He got a magic set for his birthday and it seems pretty. Pretty goddamn easy for me to me.

[A]

Oh my God. Why am I focused on the material? I should just do magic trick at the end.

[B]

Too much. Do you know what you get yourself? You remember those joke boxes where you got like the joke chewing gum and used to pull out the chewing gum and it used to snap you on the finger.

[A]

I actually do. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Or else get some snaps and just start throwing snaps on stage.

[A]

Yeah, just start. Or get Gigi to tap dance or something. How is she? How is she about late nights?

[B]

She's actually. No, she's not great. He will stay up with you though.

[A]

Yeah. He'll just come out and do a little TED talk on dinosaurs just to wrap the whole thing up.

[B]

Or he could do the magic for you. Perfect. But it was good. Was it?

[A]

Yeah, no, it was great. Crack. I have to say I'm delighted to be back. I've missed it. I've missed it.

[B]

Yeah. You didn't go away for that long. But maybe it's because you've been doing all your pre show shows. It feels like you've just been always doing it.

[A]

Floating around.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I mean these. I mean they take. These things take to do to. To write a good show. I think it's a two year process to write a really good show. I think it's two years. You know, that's why I'm always flabbergasted when comedians go out every once. For me, I'm saying it's two years. Some people can pull it off in a quicker time span than that. I can't. I certainly can't. It takes me two years to get it like to in my mind, like a bangin. That's what I wanted to get to. So I will keep. I will keep tinkering with us.

[B]

And so you're Glasgow again tonight. Are you gone out today in Glasgow or what are you doing?

[A]

No, no, no, no. I've learned my. I've learned. I've learned. I'VE learned.

[B]

So you're looking very fresh.

[A]

Yeah. At this tour. I'm telling you. I'm telling you about Garage is like, I gave it two days. I'm like, no, no pre drinking. Maybe one drink after the show. That's it. It's all very. And I'm gonna do my running. I'm really gonna keep my together this time. Because by the time Prosecco finished, I was a shell and I just don't want to do that to myself again.

[B]

No, I mean, you're texting me at half eight this morning and I was like, she's still up or.

[A]

Yeah, I know. Yeah. Glad. No, I didn't. We just went for dinner after. Very civilized.

[B]

Oh, my God, look at dinner at 10. What time is the show at? Tell me what time it starts at. I am voting for a matinee, everyone. So don't listen. I'm gonna make it happen.

[A]

I would do a matinee. I would. I think Plymouth, I'm doing two shows. This will be out. Actually, this might be out before. After Plymouth, I'm not sure. Plymouth, I'm doing two shows in a day. And Dubai, I'm doing two shows in a day. I'm up. I'm up for doing a matinee.

[B]

I'd love a matinee. It would really suit me.

[A]

Would you though? Would you really?

[B]

I would love a matinee.

[A]

I wonder, will I do a matinee for like, kind of mothers, Losers.

[B]

Follow us. Does anyone want to come to a matinee with me?

[A]

That would be. Why not put. Why, why not put on a show for the losers?

[B]

I tell you what, why don't we. The boring day and I'll go to that matinee. Let's choose one in Dublin and I'll go to that matinee.

[A]

Do you know, I actually think it's a really good idea because. Do you remember? I remember. This is kind of a different thing, but the cinema near me used to put on morning cinemas, morning films for. For. For moms who've just had babies and you were like, bring your babies in. And then if people were cry, babies were crying, like, you know, there was no judgment and stuff. So they'd be putting on. They put movies on at like 10:00am, 11:00am and stuff. And a friend, friends of mine used to go, and they loved us. They're like, it's great to be accommodated like that.

[B]

Well, I'd like. I don't want to be. I'm not going to watch your comedy at 10. You wouldn't even be fired. Well, like one or two. One or two. That's a great time, I think.

[A]

I think three is a good time for a show.

[B]

Okay, that's pushing on dinner, but that's fine. That's fine.

[A]

You'll be taking your makeup off, sitting up and see, I was like, I can see you getting ready for bed.

[B]

Folk, 3 o', clock, one London 3 o' clock and one Dublin 3 o'. Clock.

[A]

I've just watched you put your earplugs in. I'm still on stage.

[B]

Got the white noise on. Bug, turn your phone off.

[A]

Have you watched the Catfish documentary on Netflix? The new one called Wrong Number, A weird number, Something number.

[B]

Everybody, let's watch that. We can talk about it in the main next week.

[A]

Yeah, Do I. Promise me you'll watch it now. Yeah, it's. It's quite something. I just put some time aside.

[B]

You wonder how it happens to people, but then you also wonder how people end up getting ghosted. And then you get ghosted yourself and you're like, oh, that's how it happens.

[A]

It happens. It can happen to anyone.

[B]

That's our homework for Friday. We're going to talk about the pod on Friday. Homework. Any emails?

[A]

Homework.

[B]

Yeah. Any emails you want to send in about it, send them into. Hello@mtgmpod.

[A]

Yeah, come on.

[B]

Global.com.

[A]

Nope.

[B]

Hello, @mtgmpod gmail.com.

[A]

It'S hellotgmpod.com.

[B]

Hello, @mtgmbod.com.

[A]

Can you hear me drinking? It's coconut water. Ah, look at me. I'm an angel.

[B]

Oh, she's just gonna root through her packing cubes now.

[A]

Telling you I'm a new woman. I'm gonna. I'm gonna come out of this. I keep. I keep screaming at Grout. This is a fitness camp. Garage. It's not even a comedy tournament. It's a fitness camp. He's like, calm down.

[B]

He's a good one to have on tour because Grow is very well behaved. Is he doing the whole tour with you?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. You know, he's. He's so well behaved. Like last night, like, obviously had a drink out of the show and he'd like a little Coca Cola with a straw.

[B]

I mean, he's just so good. And you know what Gro does as well? He leaves you alone because you like to have your own private time when you're on tour. And he leaves you alone. He loses it.

[A]

I do. I'm quite the hermit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's what. It's all comes down to the social battery. Come here, Riddle Me this. Why are you cleaning out all the kids wardrobes?

[B]

Getting rid of them.

[A]

Would I wear any of them?

[B]

You would. They wouldn't fit you. I'd love.

[A]

With those little Gucci tracksuits that the lads have.

[B]

You could, yeah. There is a really nice one of them. No, they. Kids grow out of clothes insanely fast and because I keep them all for Otto. Poor Otto. I mean, Theodore got a bike off his nanny for his birthday and I was like, now make sure you get one he can grow into. Like, don't get the one because there's one for like. And then so like he's just, he just about fits him. And I'm like, oh, I'll have that in four years time.

[A]

Well, I, you know my system when it comes to giving kids clothes. I buy two pieces of clothing. I buy one because they're so cheap kids clothes. Because.

[B]

Do you know what I saved in Kevin Carey's the other day that you gave me? Remember you got. I don't even know which child it was. I think it might have been Theodore. You got a white dungarees and a pink T shirt from Petit Bateau and I've saved it just in case I have another child. So that's still going.

[A]

Oh yeah. You see? Yeah, yeah. It's great giving clothes to someone as fertilizers because you know they'll get loads of uses out of it.

[B]

And then I pass them all on again so they all get reused.

[A]

I give one item of clothing that'll fit the baby, say the baby's born right day one, so baby's tiny, blah, blah, blah. So there's no point getting anything for the baby at that point because it's.

[B]

They have everything.

[A]

They have everything. Yeah. They're only. Sure, they're only rocking around the garf. They're not going anywhere. So I don't need clothes. And then I got them for like say a three month outfit and then I got a 12 to 15 kind of month outfit because I just, it means they'll get more time with the clothes. Not wear necessarily, but I give them something to work towards, to grow into. So then I feel like my present is more appreciated because every time they look in the wardrobe they're like, which one got them? That one got them that you want even though they can't wear it. So it's something for them to work towards. That's what I do. Any emails for us? Food, please?

[B]

I certainly do. I would just like to say I have just made myself the most delicious lunch.

[A]

I can Hear it rolling around in your mouth.

[B]

You said you couldn't hear anything. And I was eating to the side. I can't bear hearing somebody eat.

[A]

Coming through loud. And I'll never forget years ago when I went to school in France. I went home with the family one weekend, and the girl that I went home with, her little sister, I can still. I can still see it. And it was like. Her mouth's like a cement mixer. Do you know that you can see all the stuff around? And she was eating eggs and it was just like. Oh, just all the white stuff. I know.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

I was 15 and I can still see. I can picture it perfectly.

[B]

I have just such a weird. Gigi came over to me. This is terrible. The other morning. To give me a kiss, and she had egg in her mouth. I'm like, the smell of egg. I was like, oh, Gigi, please swallow your egg first. And I just feel so bad. But please don't make me eat the egg off your lips.

[A]

Oh, my God. Poor Gigi. Her first rejection. She's gonna have to get used to it.

[B]

It won't be the last if she keeps going around.

[A]

Yeah, she needs to learn now. It's not sexy. It's not cool.

[B]

Okay, right, here we go. Dear Vogue and Joanne, this is an advice please one long time listener, first time emailer here. I need your pearls of wisdom before my marriage descends into a Netflix true crime documentary. Wow, our pearls of wisdom. That'll be interesting. My husband has recently taken up the ancient art of weaponized incompetence. You know the one. I don't know how to use the washing machine. You're just better at folding towels. Which end? Can you hear that? Sorry, that's poor winning dog.

[A]

Yeah, death rattle has been going on years now.

[B]

Stuff. I love him so much. Which end of the Hoover do I point to? The floor. At this point, I'm half expecting him to tell me he's forgotten how to breathe and would I mind doing it for him Now, I love the man. He's funny, kind, and does make a good cup of tea. But I'm starting to suspect that if there was an Olympic event for pretending not to know how to do basic household tasks, he'd bring home the gold. So my question is, how do I put an end to this nonsense without either A, adopting him as my second child or B, setting the.

[A]

Does he need the Heimlich? It sounds like Gigi tried to kiss him with egg in her mouth, but he's like, bombing. He's like, I can't I can't.

[B]

I think he got it up. It's all right.

[A]

He got up. Great. Whoever caught his back there, just make sure it's all open in case the listeners can't hear. We. We can hear VIOLENTLY ratcheting.

[B]

Oh, God. Okay. And we're setting yours an exasperated, Solid solidarity. I'm going to say a non. Because we don't know if you want.

[A]

To be not an aunt. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. The thing about it is, I wouldn't wash his clothes. I'd leave his clothes inside and be like, you, my friend, can enjoy. Before we had kids, many nights, Benny, he genuinely. Once I said to him, I was like, oh, will you just turn off the dryer? And he goes, which one's the dryer? And I thought, that's like. And he wasn't just making up, he just genuinely didn't know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which one was the dryer? So there is a level of that, but also I think he can. When you marry somebody, you can only, like, you can only help them along the way, but they're never going to be what you want them to be, like, in terms of certain things. So you're just gonna have to accept him. Yeah. And don't wash his clothes. Don't wash his clothes. That's one way of getting them back.

[A]

Yeah. I think. I think kick off, like. I think kick off. I do, I think, like, have a showdown. Show how angry you are. Because ultimately, and we all do this. If someone does everything for you, you get very used to it very quickly and your, you know, behaviors are learned in whatever environment they are taught. And if he's used to you grabbing the Hoover off and going, you're so thick. It's this. He's just gonna let you do that.

[B]

Make him pay for a cleaner.

[A]

That's a great. That's actually a really good shout. If he's got any spare cash floating around, ask him that he has to. If he's not going to do it, that he has to pay for a cleaner. That's really good idea.

[B]

I used to live with two lads and they weren't the tidiest now. They weren't dirty or any. Well, they just weren't the tidiest. And we just got a cleaner once a week because I was like, guys, I can't keep cleaning up after all of you. It was driving me nuts.

[A]

Yeah. I went out with a lad who was like. So a lot of the time I'm the problem. So I'm this. I'm your husband. Okay. And I drive. I'VE lived with a couple of men romantically and platonically but the ones I lived with romantically I drove them or insane because they were all quite clean freaks and, and I amn't. And I was, I used to get really embarrassed because they'd be really angry at me and I was like I don't understand like I did clean up and I, I did try and stack the dishwasher properly and I, I, I wasn't weaponizing yeah it was genuine incompetence. So maybe he's Jamaican just start sucking.

[B]

Up her ponies.

[A]

Unclogging the toilet with the Dyson. He's like that's not how that works. So maybe he's genuinely incompetent. But I, yeah, you know if you've, if also if he's been led away with it up to this point it's like, it's like the way, do you know the way your mom or your dad or if you're, they kind of do things for you like part would be very. She'll offer to toe to the post office. No.

[B]

What? Oh Neil would actually no, Neil would.

[A]

Yeah, Neil does. Neil's involved. Neil's involved.

[B]

Yeah. Neil gives you a, Neil's offered a lift to the airport and everything.

[A]

Yeah. And Neil will be looking after like Neil's helps with your accounts and all that jazz. So then you're kind of used to it so then you automatically give your accounts to Neil Like Pat's my post office. She's my post office person.

[B]

I would have to say that it depends and this is no shade on anyone's parents who just like, who did stuff for them because naturally you love your kids so much that you want to do it but like I, when I was growing up from a very early age I was like, I think I was like 11 when I started making my own school lunch and then, and then I was hoovering like the stairs and cleaning the kitchen and doing all things like that from when I was very young. So I'm just really good at all that. Like I knew how to do my washing, I knew how to cook and I really want my kids to know how to do all that stuff because I think when you move out it's, it's a real shock. As I told you remember that guy I told you about who didn't know that you had to wash your towels that you had to tell in uni for a whole year?

[A]

Yeah, he didn't know. Yeah and I remember I've probably told the story before I lived With a girl who was. I mean, I thought I was incompetent. My God, this is years ago. And I was ended up I was living with her and a boyfriend at the time. And she was in this, like, she was kind of our housemate. And I was cooking him dinner because I was came home earlier than him. And then I couldn't not cook her dinner because they were kind of coming home at the same time. So I was like, I suddenly are now cooking dinner for three people every day. And I'm like this noise. So I said, I was like, look, I'm. You're both on your own. Go and cook your own dinner. And she's like, I don't know how to. And so she asked me how to cook pasta and I said put the pasta in the water. And then when the pasta soft with the sauce on. And she's like, okay. And then she was in the kitchen cooking away and she came in, she goes, it doesn't look right. And because I hadn't said drain the pasta, she didn't drain it. So she just thrown in all this.

[B]

Review into this hot water.

[A]

So some people, you're right, they're just not taught how to do stuff. Like Pat was always really good about mail for me, like my posts. So like paying bills and stuff. She was always making sure I was doing that stuff. And I mean, as much as I loved it, I don't think it stood to me, to be honest.

[B]

No.

[A]

Because then when I moved out, I was a bit. I was kind of flailing all over the place, you know, I was like, I don't know how to do anything well.

[B]

It was like it's anything. Well, I also was also wouldn't be like on the same. I had to kind of kick Aza into shape when he moved in with us because my mom kind of let him away with everything because he was the youngest. Yeah, I'm sure. Like he lived off bolognese twice. Twice a day. Delicious for a year. Except not Saturdays and Sundays when someone else comes from.

[A]

Also, we know that there is, you know, there is a kind of a. It's a bit of a stereotype, but stereotypes are usually there's a bit of truth to them. A lot of what married women are a straight married women are raising their husbands. Let's be honest about it. You know what I mean? They're almost like another job. That's what I've heard.

[B]

You can, you can slightly change them. All I'm saying is you can't ever make them as good as you. But Spencer used to be really bad, and now he's actually pretty good. Like, he'll clean up after himself. Like I used to. Like when he'd leave stuff all over the house, I'd pick it up and I'd just throw it all into his dressing room, just on the floor so he'd have to clean it up. And now he just, like, he's gotten better at stuff like that. But I'm never gonna expect him to go and do the washing or like. Like that's what I kind of just do.

[A]

So. And this. And this is why I live alone. To have my own place and just it up and just throw Ragu on the wall if I want and not be like tiptone around, worried that I've left something somewhere or not folded something right and all that jazz.

[B]

Okay, so we. We hope that's in some way helped you.

[A]

And there's always divorce. You know me, I'm a huge fan. Your girlfriends will be delighted. Come back to the fold.

[B]

Well, everyone, that's it for the bonus. Thank you so much for listening. We will see you for the May don't marry.

[A]

Sam.