Podcast Summary: My Therapist Ghosted Me

Episode: Mum Guilt, P*rn Ban & Labels

Hosts: Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally

Date: December 12, 2025

Episode Overview

In this episode, Vogue and Joanne deliver their trademark blend of honesty and humor as they discuss a wide range of topics, centering on societal views of "mum guilt," changing rules around children’s presence on social media, restrictions on adult content online, the culture of dating apps, and the proliferation of personal relationship labels. The hosts freely riff on generational dilemmas, modern relationships, and their everyday experiences—all while injecting a dose of playful self-deprecation.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Vogue’s New YouTube Venture

• Vogue announces she’s launching a YouTube channel called "What Does She Even Do?" using an OSMO camera (00:23–02:24).
• Joanne offers marketing advice, suggesting that including Vogue’s real name might be more effective for branding (02:31–03:13).
• They discuss the dominance of digital creators and how platforms like YouTube and Twitch are transforming "TV" consumption. Joanne muses, “TV’s dying. YouTube is on the rise.” (00:50)

2. Public Perceptions and ‘Mum Guilt’

• Vogue addresses online criticism received after leaving her young children to participate in a TV show, discussing the persistent double standards for mothers vs. fathers (04:44–05:24).
  • “Boring men can go and do whatever they want. But if a woman wants to work...don't even dream about doing it without getting some level of abuse.” (05:03, Vogue)
• The discussion pivots to the rise of traditions like "trad wives" and "submissive wives," exploring their conflicting feelings about such roles and women's choices (05:24–06:13).
• Joanne shares a personal anecdote about witnessing a friend’s painful FaceTime call with her young child and finally empathizing with the pain of ‘mum guilt’ (06:13–07:59).
  • “It was the first time I’ve ever actually understood what that means.” (07:00, Joanne)
• Vogue explains how she planned special time with her kids to offset guilt, while simultaneously feeling "work guilt" when she isn't pursuing her career (07:59–08:56).

3. The Never-Ending Maternal Instinct

• Joanne talks about her own mother constantly worrying about her—even tracking her WhatsApp status at 42 years old (08:56–09:53).
  • "Does the worrying ever go? And she’s like, it never, ever goes. Never." (09:51, Joanne)
• The hosts connect this instinct to their own anxieties and health fears post-parenthood (09:54–10:28).

4. Modern Health Anxiety

• They joke about preventative health, getting MRIs, and full body scans, and introduce “fofo”—fear of finding out—to describe health avoidance (12:14–12:20).
  • “Fear of finding out. So people are just like, no, I'm too scared to find out, so I'd rather not do it.” (12:15, Vogue)
• Grousing over waiting times in Ireland’s private care, they muse about X-ray machines and “raw dogging it” in swimming pools amid fears of verucas (14:21–14:59).

5. Kids on YouTube and Legal Liabilities

• Joanne cautions Vogue about new child protection laws and potential future pay-outs for children featured on social platforms (14:59–15:15).
  • “Gigi’s going to unionize. She’s going to come to you when she’s 18 and be like, you owe me 60 grand.” (14:59, Joanne)
• They recall notorious “mommy influencers” who exploited their children, contrasting with their own approaches to privacy and pride (15:35–16:30).

6. Social Media and Internet Bans

• Discussion of Australia’s ban on all under-16s using social media and their skepticism about effective enforcement (16:30–16:54, 17:34).
  • “I don’t know how they’ll do it either.” (16:40, Joanne)
• They veer into an anecdote about Australia’s surprising melatonin age restrictions and health myths (16:54–17:25).

7. Porn Bans and Internet Access

• Discussion about Pornhub’s drop in viewership after stricter age-verification, VPN necessities, and the broader impact of porn on youth (17:34–18:40).
  • “All porn, you have to have a VPN if you want to watch porn...You have to have a VPN.” (18:21, Vogue)
• Joanne challenges this claim live on the podcast, resulting in comic attempts to access adult content (22:03–23:20).
  • “Sorry, sorry. I am now on pornhub.com.” (22:22, Joanne)
• Both lament porn’s over-accessibility for young people and question its impact on sexual culture among youth (23:34–24:11).
  • “I've read around the sex culture of younger men, access to porn, and this not good. It's not.” (23:34, Joanne)

8. The Truth About Porn and Relationships

• Discussion of faked “cumshots” and porn as a false standard, likened to romcoms’ impact on relationship expectations (24:22–24:42).
  • “It’s fake news. I'm glad it's spot.” (24:42, Joanne)
• They offer frank takes on how porn warps expectations for real sex and relationships.

9. Dating App Culture and ‘Lights Off’ Dating

• Joanne admits to canceling a much-anticipated date, describing the work required just to keep up with modern dating—and her waning interest in it (25:32–30:38).
  • “If I know in my brain you’re not gonna do that, Joanne, you couldn't.” (26:06, Joanne)
• Both debate gender norms around moving on from relationships, with Joanne noting, “Men who have remarried while their wife isn’t fully cremated.” (31:13)
• Joanne argues that "dating apps are on the way out," advocating a return to meeting people in person (34:58). “Apparently Bumble is falling through the ground and people are going back to real life meetings in pubs.” (34:58, Joanne)

10. Friendship, Intimacy, and New Relationship Labels

• They mock celebrity-neologisms (“non demi curious, semi binary”), arguing not every bond needs a label—sometimes, a friendship is just a friendship (36:01–37:16).
  • “If your label takes seven minutes to get out of your mouth, forget about it.” (36:56, Joanne)
• Analysis of the Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo “demi-curious, semi-binary relationship” media storm, speculating if it's a PR stunt—and sharing a general skepticism of such over-complicated labels (36:01–38:09).

11. Celebrity PR and Press Fatigue

• Joanne shares her own weariness with press interviews and why celebrities may spin wild stories when bored with repetitive interviews (40:33–41:12).
• Discussion of Kate Beckinsale’s viral talk show moment as an antidote to dull PR rounds (41:04–41:14).

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Mum Guilt:

  • “People really do believe that I don't do anything. And also, what I'm seeing a lot of since I left the jungle is how I have. Basically, I'm the worst mother of all time because I left my children to go and do a TV show.” (04:44, Vogue)
  • “I was upset listening. I was almost like, just f***ing go home. Go back to Gatwick and go home. This is too stressful for all of us.” (07:40, Joanne)

• On the internet and porn restrictions:

  • “I'm watching it right now while you're talking.” (18:40, Joanne, humorously contesting Vogue’s claim)
  • “Bring back page three girls. There's an innocence to it.” (23:53, Joanne, tongue-in-cheek)

• On relationship and dating fatigue:

  • “My light is off there. I think that someone's removed the bulb. Like, it's not even that the light's off, it's like someone shut down the power.” (29:01, Joanne)
  • “If you were any sort of friend, you'd come over and you'd electrocute my labia and get me back on the scene…” (32:41, Joanne)

• On modern labels for relationships:

  • “Do you know what? And I really like those women. But I have to say, in the words of our great philosopher Shakespeare, yeah, fuck off, you're just mates. Stop trying to add all these weird labels to it.” (36:24, Joanne)
  • “If your label takes seven minutes to get out of your mouth, forget about it. No one cares.” (36:56, Joanne)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• Launching a YouTube Channel: 00:23–04:14
• Mum Guilt & Judgement: 04:44–08:56
• Maternal Instinct Never Ends: 08:56–10:28
• Health Anxiety & Scans: 10:28–14:59
• Children & Social Media Laws: 14:59–16:30
• Porn Ban, VPNs & Internet Access: 16:30–24:42
• Dating Dilemmas & Gender Norms: 25:32–31:58
• Celebrity Relationship Labels: 36:01–38:09
• Celebrity Press & Interview Fatigue: 40:33–41:14

Tone & Style

The episode is as candid and irreverent as ever. Vogue and Joanne don’t shy away from poking fun at themselves, each other, and the bizarre contradictions of modern life. Their conversation is full of warmth, empathy, and the kind of unfiltered honesty that keeps listeners returning for advice, laughs, and solidarity in the messier moments of adulthood.

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