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Hello and welcome to My Victorian Nightmare. I'm your host Genevieve Manion and I'm here to talk about mysterious deaths, morbid fascinations, disturbing stories, and otherwise spooky events from the Victorian era. Because to me there's just something especially intriguing, creepy, and oddly comforting about horror and mayhem from the 19th century. So listener discretion is adv foreign. And welcome to this my 70th episode. I made it to 70. What a milestone. I hope that you had a fabulous week despite everything due to reality. And I'm pretty sure I've still not adjusted to daylight savings. I have been waking up at 5am every morning and my brain does does not shut off until midnight. So that's fabulous. I can't get back to sleep so I've started just getting out of bed and taking weird baths. Weird 5am baths. Have you ever done this? I feel like I'm taking a bath in another dimension. It's day and yet night. I should be unconscious, but I'm not. So I light some candles to make it extra weird. I play soft baroque music like Vivaldi and Bach and Scarlatti. In a way it makes me feel like I'm haunting my own mourning. I'm in a time I shouldn't be floating, listening to music from days of old in the flickering candlelight, frothing with anger and desperation, longing for rest. You should give it a try. Let me know what you think. Okay folks, I gotta tell you, I don't know if it's because we have five effing planets in retrograde right now and we are all feeling sensitive and delicate or what. I know I sure have been. But you have been sending me of the most touching emails and messages over the last few weeks and I'm having a hard time holding it together. It has been a tough few weeks for a few reasons not related to my 5am jolts out of dead sleep that I won't go into. And so your messages have really meant a lot to me and I just want to share with you some of the sweetness that has come my way. Maybe it will brighten your day as well. An archaeologist named Danielle Knights reached out after she heard episode 55 about the bloody benders, and in the end of that episode I mentioned how much respect I have for archaeologists and the work that they do, specifically how honorable and lovely it is to try to uncover the stories, the voices, the lives lived of people who are no longer with us. And she sent me a poem that she wrote about the work she does and I'm gonna try my best to get through it without crying. It reads, I dig in the dirt and I dream of people. They're like us but and far away. They have no voices to say their names, but I hear them speaking from the grave. Listen. But there is no message, only a long forgotten presence, no more or less. Just existence, struggle and love and hunger and faith. A life lived and ended then buried in the soil for me to find and hold and look, for me to cherish and to love. Ah, simply beautiful. I was so touched by that kind message that you sent me and this poem. In many ways this is what I'm trying to do with this show. I'm digging through old newspapers the way you dig through dirt, for the people, the voices, especially the ones who were lost too soon to say their names again. Their graves may be overgrown with ivy, unseen by family for a hundred years. I want their spirits to know that they're still held onto, if only by some redheaded Nosferatu here in Brooklyn. So again, thank you for the work that you do and for sending me your email. I also received some other emails from folks saying simply the kindest things and a review on Apple Podcasts that was so kind. Z. Ruiz wrote something so sweet that I started sobbing into my coffee and then they ended it by saying, don't cry too much into your coffee. Sorry babe, you ruined me. Thank you everyone who supports my show with your kindness by simply listening and by joining the patreon@myvictorianightmare.com I am happy to see that a few of you have joined my new Extras tier. That really means a lot to those of you who subscribe either to just the show extras or the full fan coven are the reason why I can continue to make the show without you. I wouldn't be able to. And for those of you who can't join or just don't want to join for any reason, that's totally cool. But who have rated the show on Apple Podcasts or Spotify? Those of you who brought me to 8,000 ratings on Spotify this week, thank you so so much. You ensure that I show up in more Spotify suggest questions so more people can find the show. I am so grateful for all of you. I bought a dress last week that I cannot wait to wear to all of my holiday parties and it's rather form fitting. I'm feeling extra spicy this holiday season so I will also be wearing my Honey Love bras and shapewear. 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Treat yourself or someone you love to Honey Love this holiday season and right now you can save 20%@honeylove.com victorian just use our exclusive link honeylove.com forward/victorian to grab your discount. After you order, they'll ask where you heard about Honey Love. So please send support my show and let them know that I sent you. Celebrate the season feeling confident and comfortable with Honey Love. Okay for you today, dear listener, we will be returning back to the blood smeared Victorian Railways. A number of months ago I did an episode on Victorian Train Murders and I was really in the mood to dig up those stories again this week. It's been so misty and chilly in the city it just made me want to take us back to those cold and foggy 19th century nights along Italy, England's treacherous, murderous and ever so beautifully detailed transportation system. We will have not one, but two grisly murders. One that was the very first train murder in England's history, and another that didn't occur on a train, but where the train and telegraph were instrumental in the capture of the killer. It is such a wild story, I cannot wait to share it with you. But first let us have our first segment with their own eyes where I share with you the personal, haunting accounts of petrified Victorians. Sorry. Sometimes when I read the same thing in a script that I wrote for myself a million times, I go into like a kind of autopilot, and then I see what I wrote for myself to read. That made me laugh the first time I wrote it, and it makes me laugh again. I've got the memory of a fish like that. Okay, back to it. And I have such a treat for you. I found in the Cheshire observer of 1869 an article written by a skeptic who met with friends of his who were very much not skeptics and who had a number of ghost encounters to share with him in hopes of convincing him otherwise. This article contained a few stories, so I'll include others in episodes to come, but here is the first installment, and it reads. Not long ago, I was spending the evening in a secluded country house. The wind whistled outside, the sleet drifted before it, and altogether the circumstances were such as to render the warm fireside a most desirable spot. Having exhausted the usual topics of conversation and influenced perhaps by the wild, dreary weather outside, we broached the subject of ghosts. My entertainer and his wife were thoroughly versed in the ghost lore of the district. Strange as it may seem to the inhabitants of towns, belief in spirits and reappearances of the dead still exists in many parts of Cheshire and North Wales. Determined to put my skepticism to the severest test, my host and hostess told by the glimmering firelight the following ghost stories. First, the lady's tale. In Malpas, not many years ago, there lived an innkeeper who during his wife's lifetime had not treated her well. The wife died, and scarcely had she been buried before her ghost began to walk. As the innkeeper and his daughters were sitting in the bar, the deceased Mrs. Morris would make her appearance clad exactly as in lifetime, begin dusting the chairs, turning the taps and filling the glasses. As for customers, these manifestations happened several times until the dwellers in the house vowed that they could not live there no longer. The whole neighborhood heard of the alleged apparition and at least two bold men volunteered to stay in the bar all night and test the truth of their ghost stories. The venturesome sparks sat up, the candle lighted their grog before them, and fearless of consequences, they had not remained there long after the house was closed when one of them, turning his head, noticed an old woman in the corner of the room. The figure was exactly like the late Mrs. Morris. It neither spoke nor moved, and so frightened, frightened were the watchers. They, like the specter, were speechless and motionless. This continued some time until the length of the apparition went to the staircase door, opened it mysteriously and silently disappeared. The two men, with feelings intensely relieved, rushed from the house by the street door, leaving it open in their haste, and speedily put away wide space between them and the haunted inn. I've said it before and I'll say it again. One of the most terrifying ghost encounter situations to me is when a ghost just simply stands there and stares at you. I watched the first Smile movie last night for the 30th time. I really like that movie, and especially the second. But there's a scene where the possessed gal is just standing in her dark kitchen drinking a glass of wine, and in the corner of the room is the gray black figure of a patient she saw die brutally the day before, just staring and smiling. It's the most chilling shot in the entire movie to me. Yikes. Okay, won't you follow me into the seance room where I share with you the goings on in the spiritualist community of the 1800s? I love these depositions in the spiritualist newspaper that in great detail describe the experiences of people becoming believers in spiritualism and then becoming mediums themselves. This deposition is intense, comes to us from an 1869 volume, and it reads, Mr. Morse, trance medium, said that he first heard of spiritualism by reading the particulars of the trial of Lyon v. Home. And he told his friends that he considered it to be partly mesmerism, partly imagination and partly trickery. Still, he saw that respectable persons more intelligent than himself testified to its truth. So he thought he was not justified in condemning it without investigation. Accordingly, he went to Mr. Cogman's circle at the east end to expose it. After sitting about 20 minutes, he felt as if his head was split open and a shovel full of sand dropped in. Then a power stronger than himself made him get up and begin to roar and bellow, though all the time he was conscious of his axe and very much ashamed of his behavior. Mr. Cogman told the spirit to leave him and the reply through Mr. Morse's lips was, sit down, you old, old fool. The influence made him misbehave himself for half an hour and then left him. He was very much exhausted and not a little out of temper, for he felt that he attended there to expose others and been himself exposed. On the fourth Sunday of his attendance at Mr. Cogman's circle. Better influences controlled him and he was made to take the Bible, give out out a text and preach a sermon for half an hour. And those present declared the discourse to be very good. He himself now and then had a faint dreamy consciousness of what his mouth was saying for a long time. The control of the spirits over him was imperfect and there was much stuttering when they tried to speak through him for months. He did not believe that spirits had anything to do with it, and though that it was was something connected with his own bodily or mental organization which he did not quite understand. But on one occasion he chanced to be at a circle where a seeing medium was present who not only described his spirit friends most accurately, but gave their names in addition, he thought this rather singular, as the young man was a stranger to him. He now accepts his own skills or that of a trap trance medium. And he attended many more circles accepting the guidance of his spirit friends. End quote. Okay, like all of these articles, I love this. It's so fascinating to me. But even though I do to a degree believe in ghosts and sensitives, some folks who can communicate with the dead, I was just thinking how wild it is that so many people in this time claimed to have this skill. And I don't think it was just because almost all of them were frauds. I do believe at least many of these folks believed that they were talking to the dead. But what of the wild events, the floating tables, the wrappings, the flying objects they claimed to see? Was there some kind of collective psychosis, some kind of telekinesis? Like not all of it could have been staged? Was it parapsychological energy that these folks were tapping into that made them think it was ghosts? But maybe it was just them and their ability to move energy with their own collective beliefs in the paranormal. And then I heard something the other day that blew the doors off the hinges of my tiny little mind. Have you ever heard of the Philip Experiment? This was an experiment done by scientists, big shot scientists in 1972 to see if a ghost could be created through human will. The experiment was conducted by a Toronto parapsychological research society led by mathematical geneticist Dr. A.R. george Owen and overseen by psychologist Dr. Joel Whitten. The test group consisted of Owen's wife, Iris Owen, former chairperson of MENSA in Canada, Margaret Sparrow, industrial designer Andy H. His wife Lauren, heating engineer Al Peacock, accountant Bernard Ernest M. Bookkeeper Dorothy o' Donnell and sociology student Sydney K. They created a fictional character with a backstory named Philip Aylesford. His history was that he died by suicide in 1654 at the age of 30 after a Romani woman he loved was accused of witchcraft and burned at the stake. He had a military career. He was knighted by age 16. He was personal friends with Charles II and worked for him as a spy. There were other details about him that were purposely historically inaccurate. Their first attempt to contact this spirit that they made up bore no results. Nothing happened. But then they decided to closely mimic a seance. They sat around a table, turned down the lights, lit candles and spoke the way spiritually do when they're attempting to communicate with the dead. No doubt with pronounced and spooky risings and falling inflections. And all of a sudden, the scientists began feeling a presence. Table vibrations, breezes, unexplained echoes and rapping sounds which matched responses to the questions they were asking about Philip's life. At one point, the table tilted on a single and at other times moved across the room without human contact. They asked him questions about his life and he could only answer questions about the story that they made up about him, and he could only give the historically inaccurate answers. They used the knock once for yes and two for no technique of acquiring answers. The same test was done again with different made up characters, one named Lilith, the other Humphrey, yielding the same creepy results. Now, there's no way to tell what was really going on here. In fact, the findings by their own opinions were inconclusive. Essentially, they came to a vague conclusion that they must have created this phenomenon by sheer collective consciousness, that the power of collective belief, imagination, focus, was able to conjure an energy that some of them could even hear that made lights flicker. This group repeated this experiment numerous times and even in front of an audience of 50 people who, many of which claimed to feel the presence of Philip, all having been told he was not real. This remains as one of the most fascinating studies in parapsychology and it really makes me think, in the Victorian era, in the age of spiritualism, how many spirits were spirits and how many were simply conjured by the people in the room? Could they have made lamps flicker, tables lift off the ground, cold spot thoughts? Can we do this with our minds? If So I really, really want to give this a try. Alright, my place this weekend, guys. Who's joining me?
