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Danielle
How do you make an Airbnb a VRBO picture.
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Cassie
A vacation rental with a host who's showing you every room like you've never seen a house before.
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Danielle
Now get rid of them. There you go.
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Cassie
No host ever. Now it's a vrbo. Make it a vrbo.
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Danielle
Foreign.
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Cassie
Hey, everyone. Welcome back to National Park After Dark. I'm Cassie.
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Danielle
And I'm Danielle. And we are two different vibes today.
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Cassie
We are such. This is not planned at all, but if you're watching on YouTube, Danielle, or if you're not watching on YouTube and you can't see us, Danielle has a skull shirt on. And mine is literally all flowers. I look like I'm wearing something from the 70s.
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Danielle
Yeah, you look very flower power today.
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Cassie
Yeah. And you look very spawn till you.
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Danielle
Metal.
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Cassie
Yeah, metal. What does it say? Spawn till you die.
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Danielle
Yeah, it's like a tarot card. It looks like I got this in Alaska.
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Cassie
I remember it.
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Danielle
It has like. Yeah, it looks like a tarot card and it has two salmon on it and it says spawn till you die. I think it's clever.
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Cassie
I think it's hilarious. It's a great shirt. Great shirt. It's just so funny because I feel like this is very telling of both of our personalities.
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Danielle
Yes. Golden retriever, black cat in full force today. Well, we have a trail Tales episode for you. And would you like to go first or would you like me to take the lead today?
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Cassie
I'm kind of feeling like going first.
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Danielle
Okay. Okay.
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Cassie
Mine is titled Little Ray of Lightning Strikes. Hi, lovely souls. Ray here. I adore you two so much. Thank you for being your beautiful, authentic selves and sharing these wild tales. While this experience isn't exactly out on a trail, I felt that I was meant to share this experience with you all. My husband and I work remotely and we were busy typing away on our computers during a work week. And I briefly looked outside to notice some gray clouds coming through. I asked my husband if we could take our little fur baby Lila out on a walk before the rain came through. He agreed, and off we started on our stroll through the neighborhood. We decided to take Lila through the forest trail that makes a nice little loop back to our home. As we were about to walk into the forest, I felt my stomach drop. I looked up at the dark, ominous clouds right above us, and I felt a darkness overcome me. I couldn't explain what it was, and we decided to continue our stroll after. Halfway through our walk, I remember being mid air in a fetal position covering my ears. So surrounded by white light, I heard the loudest boom. I fell to the ground and my first thought was, where is Lla? I heard my little Chihuahua cry and saw her running in the distance. I noticed that we were surrounded by smoke. I had no idea what had just happened. And my husband and I exchanged looks and he screamed that we had been struck by lightning. I remember feeling a numbness throughout my body, but my heart was racing and I was so focused on getting back to Lila. We started chasing her and realized that she was running back home while my husband was yelling for someone in the neighborhood to call 91 1. We arrived home and I was processing what had just happened. Lila was perfectly fine, yet frightened out of her mind. She went and hid under our sofa and my neighbor came over, who happens to be a nurse, and held my hand as I was shaking from what we had just experienced. After a visit to the er, we found out that the lightning had struck a tree close to the trail and a lightning shard had entered my husband's back and exited through his foot, leaving a burn hole through his sock and shoe. With that being said, he was okay. We both ended up with some small cuts and bruises since we were tossed about six feet into the air. My hubby now believes that he is Thor. I felt horrible for what my little Lila had experienced. I knew it was a traumatic experience for her, so I decided that I wanted to connect with an animal communicator to see how she was processing things. I actually was able to find a local animal spirit communicator, which I was so excited for. We scheduled an online meeting and I was blown away by response. She initially asked about the experience and what had happened. She mentioned that Lila communicated to her that she had flown back home after the lightning strike. I couldn't help but chuckle because she ran with the wind that afternoon. The spirit communicator also wanted to get to know who I was, and I shared that I was a local artist. She asked for the name of my business and I told her it was Little Ray of Light Design. She immediately said, ray, you are not a little ray of light. You need to realize that you are a huge ray of sunshine and you can no longer play small. You are experiencing a sign from the universe. Her response resonated with my soul and I knew that my art needed to be bigger and I also needed to believe in myself. Wow. She also went on to ask about my husband. I said that he had actually been struck by lightning, but that he was okay. She said that this was because the trees are his spiritual Ancestors. She went on to explain that he was able to withstand the strike because his ancestors are connected with the woods. This made my stomach drop because my husband and his father do a lot of woodwork, crafts and furniture together. Whenever I went on my hike with my husband and his father, they would always save a tree that was either entangled by another tree or covered in debris. It always amazed me how they could spot trees in distress. We started working as a team to help these trees on our hikes. I. I feel that I'm pretty mindful on my hikes and I'm able to spot wildlife, but I rarely ever notice if trees just need a little help from us humans. I was in awe of this session and it really empowered me to evolve overall. The craziest part of this experience is that my dad had called me a few days before the lightning strike and asked if I was okay. I was very confused and I told him that we were fine. He went on to share that seven hikers were struck by lightning at Grandfather Mountain in Blue Ridge Mountains and he was afraid that it could have been us. Perhaps this experience was meant to happen. My husband and I still have a fear of thunderstorms and lightning, but I feel empowered to shine a whole lot brighter. Enjoy the view, my dear friends, but watch your back as lightning may strike. Ray.
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Danielle
Wow. That story was all over the place. Had a little bit of everything.
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Cassie
That story, the fact that your husband got struck by lightning, that is. I'm so happy you guys are okay. And then I think Todd reaching out to an animal communicator is the most wholesome thing I've ever heard in my entire life.
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Danielle
I just want to make sure my. My dog's okay emotionally.
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Cassie
That's such a Chihuahua parent thing to do. Yeah, it really is. Like they're just your babies and their Chihuahuas are probably some of the best well taken care of dogs in the world.
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Danielle
Yeah, they really are.
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Cassie
They're your little babies.
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Danielle
Yeah. Imagine being on a vacation for a very long time. Now imagine saving money nightly while you do it.
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Cassie
Sounds pretty great, right?
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Danielle
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Cassie
VRBO picture a vacation rental with a host.
- [07:33]
Danielle
The host is dragging your family on.
- [07:36]
Cassie
A tour of the kitchen, the bathroom, the upstairs bathroom, the downstairs bedroom, and the TV room, which, surprise, is where you can watch tv. Now imagine there's no host giving you a tour because there's never any hosts at all.
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Danielle
Ever. Voila.
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Cassie
You've got yourself a vrbo.
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Danielle
Want a vacation that's completely and totally host free?
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Cassie
Make it a vrbo.
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Danielle
Well, my first story is titled Abandoned Barns and my attempt to make a story sound cool. Hi ladies. My name is Isabelle and I'm from Central Texas. I love your stories and started listening during the pandemic to get through work. I particularly love the trail tale since I'm nosy. Same Yeah, I want to know what's going on in people's lives. I really wanted to share my story, even if it's a little boring. This story isn't in a national park or even on a trail. I'm not a storyteller, so please have grace for my choppy writing and retelling. Here we go. The year is Somewhere in the late 1920s, my great grandfather and his friend are walking from Luline, Texas to Austin, Texas, which is a walking time of about 16 to 20 hours according to Google. This could be even longer considering major highways were not made yet and the road between these places was just compacted dirt. Along the way, the sun began to set and the start of a big storm was rolling in. My great grandfather and his friend had to quickly find shelter from the storm, so they ran to the nearest building for cover, which was a rundown barn off the beaten path. With it being nighttime, they felt their way through the barn and bunkered down in some hay to sleep. All night. My great grandfather fought with insects that kept grazing his face and his neck. Eventually, he was able to sleep through the rolling storm until morning as the birds chirped and woke up the two men. The insects kept grazing my great grandfather's face and neck. Annoyed, he grasped at his face only to find wispy white strands of what he initially thought was a spiderweb. He laid in the hay, inspecting the strands in the early morning sun. He tugged gently on the strand, but it didn't break like a spiderweb. So still laying down, he started from one end and followed it down to the pile of hay next to him, only to come face to face with the skull of an old woman whose long white hair brushed over his face all night long. He jumped up and screamed, waking up his friend, who also started screaming. Both men hightailed it back to the main dirt road and never looked back My great grandfather told his kids this story, who told their kids, who told me and my siblings. I never got any more information than what was passed down from my grandfather. His father may have told him more details to the story, but this is the version that I've been told. I understand why they never told authorities. They were two dark complexioned, Spanish speaking men who traveling between two predominantly white cities during a very racially divided time. My guess is that the woman passed away in the barn with no close contacts to check on her. At least this is what I've told myself to try and soothe my unanswered questions. Anyway, hope you both found it somewhat interesting and I hope others find this treasured family story as a weird little quip to use as a filler in a boring conversation. Enjoy the view and watch out for abandoned barns and mystery spiderwebs.
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Cassie
Love, Isabel well, it definitely was not a boring story, Isabelle. I think one of the things I really loved about that story was that it was passed down from generations to generation. And I know that if you have a family you also pass it like it's it's fun to have stories that are your own history and from your own family members and I just thought that that was really fun.
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Danielle
I am now officially asking for family lore stories please, because that was fun. Now nosy and want to know what people's great grandparents were up to. Cool.
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Cassie
Well, my next story I'm on a animal theme because my next one is titled Cat Rescues during a Hurricane Hi ladies. My name is Karin and like anyone who writes in, I am a fan of the podcast. I listen to the POD during my daily walks with my almost one year old as a former National Park Service interpretive ranger. Many of your stories not only take me back to parks I've worked in, but are always giving me a laugh as I think about my own trail tales. I would say I just finished listening to Trail Tales 58 about the kitten inside of Yosemite national park and it reminded me of a time I rescued a cat in a state park during a hurricane evacuation. After working as a seasonal ranger for the nps, I worked as a state park ranger in Florida to set the stage a bit. It was November 2020. I I was working at a park just north of West Palm Beach. This park has two big campgrounds and a larger one of the two has about 60 RV sites and then 12 sites in a row for our volunteers. About two weeks before the real story begins, campers let their cat named Cheesy out for his evening stroll Side note, please don't let your animals roam freely in our state and national parks. They always need to be on a leash. Well, for whatever reason, Cheesy went out on an adventure that night and never returned back to the camper. For two weeks, staff, visitors and family kept their eyes out for Cheesy and even extended the family stay so that they might eventually find their beloved family pet. But no luck. Two weeks pass with no real sign of the cat. This is a high coyote and bobcat area, so to me, it was pretty obvious what Cheesy's fate was. Oh, how wrong I was. Two weeks later, and we were in the midst of a hurricane watch and had to evacuate all campers and volunteers who resided in RVs. Cheesy's family had left the park in tears. Their kids were heartbroken over the loss. The winds picked up and rain was coming down in the streets. When one of my volunteers called me to tell me that earlier that morning, they saw what they thought was a cat running under the rv. And now they could hear very faint meows. I thought, there's no way, but okay, I guess I'll take a look. I crawl under her rv and sure enough, tucked up in the engine block was a fluffy gray tabby, looking absolutely terrified. Holy crap, Cheesy is alive and hurricane is coming. Cheesy was just out of reach. My house was too far away to run and grab a can of cat food. But luckily, the same volunteer who was unknowingly housing the cat under the home had a can of tuna on standby. At this point, her husband is under the RV with me, using his long arms to reach for Cheesy. A volunteer is standing at my car, ready to open the door and shut it for me. And oh yeah, about 20 people have now gathered around to witness the rescue. Arms stretched as long as he can get, he gets the can of tuna as close to Cheesy as he as we can. He brings his head down ever so slightly to grab a nibble. And that's when I grab him so tightly, there is no getting away. I rolled out. Yes, rolled out from under the RV with the cat in my arms and ran through the elements to my car. Another volunteer opened the door and shut it behind me. Cheesy didn't squirm or show any indication of wanting to run. Instead, purrs began as he clung to me. That poor cat had been out for two weeks. I called the owners, who happened to be only 20 minutes away, so they came back right away. While we waited, I Just sat with the kitty in my car. When I handed Cheesy back to his mom, I just smiled. So much of me wanted to remind her of why we don't let our animals roam freely. But with tears in her eyes, I knew those past two weeks had been hell for her. And it would likely be the lesson she learned in the hard way. So that's my long winded story of a cat rescue during a hurricane. And a story to serve as a reminder that if you bring your animals to parks, national or state, please follow the posted animal rules.
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Danielle
Cheesy. What a good name. You know, one of those.
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Cassie
Adding that to my list of. I would name a catch easy, and it would be orange and it would be really fluffy.
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Danielle
Well, who. No one's stopping you. You keep saying you're gonna get these animals and you have, you know, you're.
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Cassie
I'm stopping me.
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Danielle
Free adult with a. You're a grown up with a home that you own.
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Cassie
I know. Alan. I have been looking at cats recently, but he's so bad because I sent him a screenshot of these four kittens that are at a rescue place. They're not ready yet, but they will be in like four weeks. And I sent him a screenshot. There was four of them. And he's like, yes, all four. Like, no. Someone needs to know. I have to be the one to rein it in, which is not normal. But I don't know. We travel so much.
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Danielle
It's hard, you know, you have two dogs.
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Cassie
Hard to. I know I have. Well, I have two dogs, but we have two babysitters because both of our parents agree to watch them. I don't know if we could convince them to also add in a cat.
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Danielle
Yeah. And the trap. The cat would have to be a traveling cat. Like, good. Would be an adventure kitty for sure.
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Cassie
Or I'd have to find someone to come to the house. I don't love the idea of leaving my cat alone in the house with no one. With people who come like once every other day to feed and say hi. Like, I just don't think that's very fair for the cat. I understand. It's easy, but I would just feel bad. And I know the cat would be fine, but I just feel bad for them socially to do that.
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Danielle
Yeah. It feels like you have a lot of roadblocks. Maybe. Yeah. Cheesy. Your cheesy is in the future for sure, but not maybe now.
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Cassie
A big.
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Danielle
That story reminded me of Cheesy. Sorry, what? Nothing.
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Cassie
Good.
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Danielle
We talked at the literal same time. So I couldn't hear you at all.
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Cassie
I was just saying that I would have a giant, fluffy cat named Cheesy.
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Danielle
Oh, okay. Yeah, it was. We went up for that.
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Cassie
It was very unimportant.
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Danielle
What the hell was I going to say? Oh, right. That story reminded me of the one I did now, years ago. Like, at least two years ago. It was a bonus story about Jade, the dog Jade in Yellowstone that was lost for, like, months in the park after a car accident. And this dog got out. Her name was Jade, and she survived in Yellowstone for months. And the story was really cool. Read a book about it. And it was heartwarming.
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Cassie
It was a really interesting heartwarming story.
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Danielle
Yeah.
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Cassie
That would be devastating to have, like, a bad ending to that.
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Danielle
But I. When I tell you my. The pit in my stomach when I think about my dogs or dog now getting out and, like, running away and getting lost, it makes me physically sick. Like when people are like, oh, they hear a story about something and they're like, I feel sick. That in particular, that type of story, really. I understand that feeling. I don't know what it is. I just. Because so much could go wrong, you know?
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Cassie
Yeah. Well, at every turn, wildlife, and they're. Well, cars, dogs and. Yeah. And cars, people. I think my biggest fear is that a person would find. Not my biggest fear, a big fear would be that a person would find my dog and then not report it to anyone and keep them and.
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Danielle
Okay, I wouldn't want to. I'm gonna one up you and give everyone a new fear.
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Cassie
Okay.
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Danielle
And I remember telling you about this, and I'm gonna botch the details, so I'll keep it really short, but essentially there was a veterinarian that I used to work with in Washington state, and he was a relief doctor at our hospital. So he. I didn't work with him all the time, but I worked with him for like, a handful of shifts. And the. Some of the girls that I used to work with texted me after I had moved out of Washington and sent me news articles, like, do you remember this guy? And I was like, oh, yeah, whatever. And they'. Yeah, he's all over the news because he had a property out in Washington and the neighbor's dogs used to always get loose. They were two huskies and they used to always get loose. And. Yeah. And he. For whatever reason, I don't know, like I said, the details are murky now because this was a couple of years ago, but essentially he was threatening the. The owners of, like, keep your dogs in or like, whatever. I don't know. I. I think he had some livestock that they may have been like slightly harassing or something, I don't know. But anyways, long story short, he friggin killed them and then like took the dogs that once they were on the property, family pets, and he euthanized them with youthisol from, from the vet office and then took them, put them in garbage bags and threw them on the side of the road and then told the owners where they could go find them. He's like, go get your dogs.
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Cassie
So messed up.
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Danielle
I like, I'm sorry, that's so traumatizing to everybody.
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Cassie
How is someone, a veterinarian who does that?
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Danielle
Well, his license long gone.
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Cassie
I would hope his license is gone. Is he in jail or anything?
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Danielle
I think there was like a lot of discrepancy because I know he was from Canada, so I don't know if like there was some sort of. I don't know what was going on with it, but yeah. Wow. I don't even remember his name, but I'm sure you could. You have enough details now to like look it up if you want. It was the story that like I couldn't even believe was real, especially because I worked with him and like I was his tech a few times and I remember people always were like, this guy's kind of weird. And I kind of gave him a pass because I was like, yeah, he seems strange, but he was really into like falconry and he had a bunch of bird like birds of prey and stuff at his property. And like he was just into things that I think the normal person would be like that kind of feels like an oddball thing, like a niche thing or whatever. But I'm like, I don't know, I don't get like killer vibes from him or anything. And I was wrong. I was very wrong.
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Cassie
Yeah.
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Danielle
Yeah.
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Cassie
You have to be really messed up to do anything like that because that's, that's so intentional, like the process.
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Danielle
It's diabolical.
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Cassie
Yeah.
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Danielle
And evil.
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Cassie
And those dogs had, he had to have been. I just think of the dogs, they had a. Had to have been like nice dogs that ran up to him to do Trusting, trusting of him. Because you can't just do that with a dog that is aggressive or by.
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Danielle
Yourself and the family. I remember seeing the family posted all over Facebook about it because they're like, we want to get the word out. This is insane. And they posted pictures of the two dogs like with their children and like on the couch and like just. It Was just so awful. Okay, let's move on because I'm getting sick.
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Cassie
That's awful.
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Danielle
So anyway, yeah, that's needless to say. My fear is not only wildlife and getting hit by a car and having someone take them for their own because Chaska is amazing and who wouldn't want him? But also people are messed up and. Or they're like, oh, I shot him because I thought. I thought it was a coyote and it's like a golden retriever. It's like, are you kidding me?
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Cassie
Someone saw Ember the other day and thought she was a coyote.
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Danielle
Yeah.
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Cassie
I was like, are you serious? Ember does not even look slightly like a coyote.
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Danielle
It's like, oh, is it because she's a dog?
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Cassie
She has a pink bandana on. Like, what do you mean? It's a short coyote, brown fur.
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Danielle
She's small.
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Cassie
She's dark brown.
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Danielle
Yeah. I'm laughing because I laugh when I'm uncomfortable and that makes me uncomfortable.
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Cassie
It made me nervous though, because I was like, what do you mean? People could mistake Ember as a coyote.
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Danielle
Well, that's true.
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Cassie
She's like, yeah, she's a pit mix. Like, what do you mean, a coyote?
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Danielle
Yeah. And people are so trigger happy also. Especially like out if you have a.
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Cassie
Big hunting area too.
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Danielle
I know.
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Cassie
Yeah. What do you think makes the perfect snack?
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Advertiser
Hmm. It's gotta be when I'm really craving it and it's convenient.
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Cassie
Could you be more specific?
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Advertiser
When it's cravinient.
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Danielle
Okay.
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Advertiser
Like a freshly baked cookie made with real butter, available right down the street at am, pm Or a savory breakfast sandwich I can grab in just a second at a.m. pM.
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Cassie
I'm seeing a pattern here.
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Advertiser
Well, yeah, we're talking about what I.
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Cassie
Crave, which is anything from am, pm.
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Advertiser
What more could you want? Stop by AM PM where the snacks and drinks are perfectly craveable and convenient. That's cravenience. AM PM too much good stuff.
- [23:44]
Danielle
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Cassie
Perfect.
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Danielle
It's titled Poor Planning and a Psychic. A year ago, I found your podcast and was listening to your episode on the night of the grizzlies as I drove towards the Black Balsam in Pisgah National Forest, North Carolina for my first solo backpack packing trip. We were going to do one night, maybe two, just to get our feet wet, so to speak. Kova, my giant Schnauzer who was 3 years old and 85 pounds at the time, was riding along quietly in the back seat. I had decided on this trip last minute and was nervous but excited. The trip was, in short, a memorable experience, but here's the long version. We arrived late to the trailhead and started up towards Black balsam knob with 40 minutes to sunset. Reaching the top of the rise, I realized we did not have time to cross and get back down under the tree line before sunset as I had planned. And this posed a problem since we were hammock camping. No trees equals no hammock, but I figured I could figure it out when we got to a campsite, so I passed campsite after campsite, watching the sun sink lower and lower. They were all taken. The climb up had been steep enough that I had zero interest in navigating back that way in the dark, even with a headlamp, since both Kova and I were carrying weight. I was also not loving the idea of pressing forward into the winding, steep trails that were at times edged by brush taller than myself. Home to who knows how many black bear. Oh yeah, forgot to mention this whole area is heavy with black bear presence and canisters and spray are required due to years and years of campers not being careful with food. And I had just listened to you both tell me about about Murdery Bears for several hours. Awesome. No going back, no going forward, no open campsites, bears everywhere. I was watching the sun go down and remember thinking to myself that at least the sunset is beautiful. Since it may be my last, the mental theatrics were in full force. Anyways, since I knew right? It's like okay. Anyways, since I knew my father would follow me into the afterlife to deliver the dressing down I absolutely deserve for the show of exceptionally poor planning, I decided death was not an option and told my inner princess to shut the hell up and let me work. I found a few particularly tall thin bushes and managed to string up my hammock shelter so we were sheltered from the wind. I threw down the hammock as a tent floor, set up lanterns and then took Kova's pack and my bear canister down the trail to stash until morning. Then I crawled into our makeshift shelter with Kova and hunkered down for the night with a degree of self satisfaction. Since I had rigged what I felt was a passable shelter, I had to get up once and put my backup fleece on Kova and tuck him under the blanket. Since condensation was building and temps were dropping, the shelter was now feeling less satisfactory. But thanks to our combined body heat and my single brain cell having considered packing layers, I did not end up with Hypothermia. Then at 4am I was woken up by the sound of growling. Very close, very loud rumbling noises, which I was absolutely not about to investigate. It happened just once and then it was quiet for who knows how long. It felt like an eternity. There were no crunching leaves, no snuffling, nothing. Kova seemed unconcerned, which should have calmed me down. But since I was absolutely convinced at this point that we were about to be eaten, I just assumed there was something wrong with my dog. And then my stomach growled again. I had forgotten to eat dinner in my haste to stash our food and to get inside the tent. And now I was hungry. I was also so, so done with this shit show of a trip. And so I set aside my last brain cell and decided that come hell, high water or bears, we were leaving at sunrise. It's so funny because the paranoia surrounding this is definitely because of you, Cassie. Yes, they were just listening to Night of the Grizzlies, which is why didn't.
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Cassie
Make that story up.
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Danielle
Yeah, but you really. You sent it out to the masses in a way that was terrifying. Yeah. Yep.
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Cassie
Sorry that your I caused your stomach growl to scare you.
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Danielle
I started packing our tent, located our stash and cracked a canned coffee before donning my headlamp and hitting the trail. We reached the top of Tenant Mountain just after sunrise and I admit stopping there to finish coffee and have breakfast was spectacular. We cut out grassy covetop and instead followed shorter loop back to the trailhead. Arriving at the car around 10am I drove home feeling tired, proud and determined to never again be such a dumbass. About five months after I nearly unalived Cova and myself in the mountains, I hired a pet psychic.
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Cassie
Another one.
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Danielle
Wait a second, wait a second. What's going on here? Theme in this episode Unintentional theme by me. I think subconscious also. I hired a pet psychic to talk with my cats and Kova. Now I was skeptical. I'm super spiritual and believe in this stuff, but still, scams are real. But I had questions about my cats. These are my first felines and I didn't feel I was meeting all of their needs, but couldn't figure out exactly what I was missing.
- [29:13]
Cassie
This is another very wholesome what in the world. It's making me want to hire a pet psychic to talk.
- [29:20]
Danielle
I feel like. Yeah, I feel kind of like I've been failing for. Not now. Yeah. Enter psychic from stage left. She had only asked me for a photo of each animal before our session and for their names. No other details. We kick off and I am careful to not offer anything up front. She just starts. She talked about things she could not have possibly known about with the cats. Enough so that by the time we moved on to Cova, I was sold on the authenticity of this discussion. She asked if I had any outdoorsy trip planned in the near future, and I confirmed that I was considering a trip in the late summer to visit Big Bend National Park. She says he's a bit. He's very concerned about the bears and I was floored. She goes on, he's concerned about you being somewhere it feels remote and like he's concerned about not being able to protect you. And he just keeps sending ideas to me like of big predators and bears are just the first thing I think of. He clearly doesn't know exactly what this thing looks like, but he doesn't want anything to do with it. So I told her Kova can't actually hike in Big Bend, so I was going to leave him at home. And she informed me he definitely doesn't like that idea. And so then I told her there are no bears in Big Bend, so he doesn't need to worry. Is that true?
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Cassie
I don't know. I'd have to look it up.
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Danielle
I'll take your word for it, Aaron. And she says, yeah, he doesn't believe you. I guess. Me neither. I don't know if that's legit. Needless to say, I did not go to Big Bend. Kova also apparently does not like me going to bars by myself, is afraid of me hitting my head, and generally indicated he doesn't think I'm capable of surviving without him. After our trip to the mountains and a 20 pound wooden display falling on my head shortly after the psychic discussion, I feel like Kova's concerns are reasonable.
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Cassie
Just saying. This is adorable.
- [31:13]
Danielle
Quick side note.
- [31:14]
Cassie
Creepy, I say adorable.
- [31:17]
Danielle
Quick side note. I find humor in my short overnight on the mountain, since I am okay and learned from the trip. That said, in case others do not read between the lines of my experience as I have done, this was a best case ending to what could have been a really bad Bad situation. Your podcast describes so many situations which are product of our own human error. What starts as small, seemingly insignificant oversight can become a true issue when the environment is unforgiving and you are hours from assistance alone and unprepared. We learned from this experience and I am now the person in the group who is over prepared and probably slightly annoying in my insistence for everyone to carry a minimum list of gear before starting any adventure. But you know what? I'd rather be a little. I'd rather be a little annoying than a lot dead. Happy trails. Aaron.
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Cassie
What do you think makes the perfect snack?
- [32:09]
Advertiser
Hmm, it's gotta be when I'm really craving it and it's convenient.
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Cassie
Could you be more specific?
- [32:13]
Advertiser
When it's cravenient.
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Danielle
Okay.
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Advertiser
Like a freshly baked cookie made with real butter, available right down the street at a.m. p.m. Or a savory breakfast sandwich I can grab in just a second. And at a.m. p.m.
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Cassie
I'm seeing a pattern here.
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Advertiser
Well, yeah, we're talking about what I.
- [32:25]
Cassie
Crave, which is anything from AM pm.
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Advertiser
What more could you want? Stop by AM PM where the snacks and drinks are perfectly craveable and convenient. That's cravinience. Am pm Too much. Good stuff.
- [32:41]
Danielle
Pet psychics, man. Okay, this is a sign that we should probably like get on that.
- [32:47]
Cassie
Yeah, I think we should. I think it would be really fun.
- [32:50]
Danielle
I'm just a little worried because Chaska's so emotional and you know what I mean?
- [32:56]
Cassie
Yeah, he's the most emotional dog I've ever met.
- [32:58]
Danielle
Yeah, it's kind of odd, it's kind of strange. And it's not even like, oh no. Like I'm in tap with him because he's like the best dog because he's mine. It's like not even that.
- [33:07]
Cassie
No.
- [33:07]
Danielle
Like, I know everyone that knows him knows that. I mean, Blue wasn't like that. Of course. I'm like, oh yeah, like I love Blue.
- [33:15]
Cassie
Blue had like one emotion though, and that was happy.
- [33:19]
Danielle
Blue had one brain cell for sure, and it was focused on being happy.
- [33:23]
Cassie
It was perfect brain cell though.
- [33:25]
Danielle
It was the most perfect brain cell to ever have been in existence. But yeah, I don't know something about Chaska. I'm just worried that like he's gonna be like, I'm sad and I'm not gonna know what to do.
- [33:35]
Cassie
But maybe if he is sad, he can communicate what he wants you to do.
- [33:40]
Danielle
I feel like I do a lot. Like, you know, it's like I'm giving all that I have to give.
- [33:44]
Cassie
Yeah, I don't know I feel like because he's so emotional, I don't think it has anything to do with you. He very much loves you. Yeah, that's true. But like, because he's so emotional, maybe it would be an interesting reading.
- [33:57]
Danielle
And I think also it might make me sad because I think that a lot of. And I. Well, I know. And it's so weird that the synchronicities of life that we're talking about, pet psychics and this is all coming full circle right now, because Choska was always an emotional dog for sure. But when Ian passed away, which when this is released on May 8, will be his three year death anniversary, something flipped in Chaska and he became kind of a different dog. He ate through my drywall four times. Anytime I. I was a prisoner of my own home for a really long time because anytime I would leave. And I'd had Chaska for eight years before this. Seven, eight years before I even met Ian. And he was always fine. And the second I left after Ian died, he literally broke his teeth trying to eat through the wall to get out of the house four times. Because he was just so emotionally distraught. Distraught and destroyed and stressed. And he would just panic. Like he's on anti anxiety meds now. Like he just. Something like snapped in him. And I'm just like really afraid to hear from him directly. It's like I already know and I don't know if I want to know through a psychic. It's like, if you want to tell me things that are maybe nice, I'll listen. I don't know.
- [35:23]
Cassie
Yeah. Like you don't want the confirmation of something that you already know. Yeah, that's really hard.
- [35:29]
Danielle
Yeah. But I feel like if you were to do it with Tucker Ember, I would love to hear their experience and their thoughts.
- [35:36]
Cassie
Yeah. I feel like Tucker would just talk about chicken the whole time. And Amber, why? Amber feels he just loves chicken like any. Like it's his favorite food. Like he loves for chicken. Which is kind of sad because he recently got diagnosed with very early stage kidney disease and his doctor told him he can't have chicken anymore or very limited chicken.
- [36:01]
Danielle
So how much chicken was he in intake?
- [36:03]
Cassie
What was his chicken intake before? His chicken intake was ridiculous. He will only eat his dinner with if there's chicken in it. So you would have to give him actual cooked chicken, unseasoned cooked chicken, and put it into his bowl. And he'll eat his kibble if there's chicken on top of it. But if there's not chicken on top of it. He will not touch it and not even, like, just wait it out. We tried waiting it out, and it was four days, and he still was refusing to eat. And we're like, okay, well, we have to feed him.
- [36:31]
Danielle
So, yeah, he was.
- [36:33]
Cassie
It's chicken or. Or death.
- [36:38]
Danielle
Have you tried, like, I don't know, like, a chicken topper, like, flavoring?
- [36:41]
Cassie
You know, what she recommended is doing, like, a chicken. A low sodium chicken broth on top.
- [36:48]
Danielle
Yeah, he's gonna know.
- [36:49]
Cassie
He's gonna know. So what I was thinking is that I would do white rice and then put a low sodium chicken broth, like, soaked in the white rice and put it on top so I can, like. So I can trick him.
- [37:00]
Danielle
I could chicken trick him.
- [37:02]
Cassie
I could chicken trick him. Yeah. But I would be interested to hear from Ember because I don't know her first few weeks of life. I feel like Ember is a little bit more of a, like, enigma, I guess, in her emotions. But, yeah, she's kind of a mystery. But there's some things about her that I would be interested to know. Like, one theory I have for her is she was from southern Texas, and she was born in March, and she is not afraid of weather or thunderstorms, lightning, anything, any type of weather. She is fine being outside. She does not care at all. And I kind of think that she was like this tiny little baby. They found her at six weeks old running around by herself without any siblings or a mom or anything like that. And I kind of think she had just been out on her own during hurricane season in Texas. And I would be curious if that was something that was brought up.
- [37:57]
Danielle
Yeah. She's like, I have weathered all storms.
- [38:00]
Cassie
Yeah. She does not care. No matter. The weather. Does not matter. She wants to be outside. I'm like, well, you live here in.
- [38:06]
Danielle
The house, but this is your home, actually. And we stay inside during storms now. Yeah.
- [38:22]
Cassie
Well, to keep the theme going, my next story is titled Dream Premonitions and Protective Birds.
- [38:29]
Danielle
Actually, I see what you're seeing, and I. I think it says burb.
- [38:33]
Cassie
It says burbs, but then it talks about birds.
- [38:36]
Danielle
Yeah.
- [38:36]
Cassie
What's a burb? What's a Burbank? I thought it was a typo.
- [38:43]
Danielle
Sorry. You know what? This reminds me. I had to double check when I saw that. I'm like, did Courtney write this? Remember Courtney?
- [38:52]
Cassie
Yeah.
- [38:52]
Danielle
She would always say burb, like, when she was talking about birds. I think it's that it's not. Not that it's Courtney, but I think that's oh, like saying it in, like.
- [39:03]
Cassie
Dream premonition and protective verbs.
- [39:06]
Danielle
Yes.
- [39:07]
Cassie
I think it's a typo.
- [39:09]
Danielle
It's not. Whatever.
- [39:13]
Cassie
Well, we're talking about you tell me.
- [39:15]
Danielle
Whoever.
- [39:16]
Cassie
Or burbs.
- [39:20]
Danielle
Okay. I'm feeling silly today.
- [39:23]
Cassie
Okay, go ahead.
- [39:25]
Danielle
Yours or mine?
- [39:27]
Cassie
Both. Okay, well, either way, I'm gonna tell this story.
- [39:33]
Danielle
Don't. Even if there's a pet psychic in here. If there's a burb sidekick, I'm gonna lose it.
- [39:39]
Cassie
It's like we're ending the episode immediately. Okay. Hi guys. I've been listening to the podcast for a few years now and love how thoughtful and informative every episode is. I know all who listen are all very appreciative of all the hard work, research and passion y' all bring into the podcast. My name is Krystal and I'm from Southern California. My cousin and I lived together in our early 20s in Hollywood and hiked once or twice a week around the area. One day I suggested going to La Tuna Canyon Trail in San Fernando Valley because I had been there a few times during the spring the year before and remember it being so beautiful walking along the stream leading up to multiple waterfalls that gradually increased in size and intensity as we hiked up higher. Now, before I get to our trail portion of the story, I need to preface that the night before I had had a dream. I had gone out to lunch with my grandpa and I told him I was going to hike the next day. In the dream, he looked down and shook his head while saying in Spanish, es muy peligroso, AKA it's too dangerous. I rolled my eyes and told him we hike in these areas all the time. I woke up annoyed and confused because that's totally something my grandpa and grandma would say because they're very cautious people. But continued on with my day. We arrived to the trail and made our way down from the parking area, which was unusually empty for the time of day. We went down the short trail to where the stream flows to get onto the main trail. As we got there, we started climbing up the rocks and the trickle of the stream lightly falling down. Once we got up to that point, we were right on the edge of the entrance for the main trail and we got a really eerie feeling. First off, we were surrounded by crows. Second off, the trail looked like an overgrown tunnel with the trees looming and creating shadows. We stopped and the crows started yelling at us. When I say yelling, I mean cawing, but it felt like they were all yelling at us. They surrounded the entrance in the nearby Trees close to where we were standing and caught so overwhelmingly loud that we could barely hear each other talking. Walk. We looked at each other and my cousin asked, do you think we should go somewhere else? This feels weird. And I immediately said yes. That was not the way I remembered this trail and it felt scary. We started making our way back down and up back to the parking lot. The whole time we were walking away, two crows followed us all the way back to the parking area and waited until we got in the car before heading back. I couldn't help but feel like they were warning us and trying to tell us to go back. And the fact that two of them followed us and waited until we got back in our car to head back made me feel like it was confirmation that they were trying to protect us from something I had never experienced. Something so unusual and creepy it felt like a horror film. But I'm glad we didn't continue to find out what was beyond that trail. I truly believe my dream was the first warning. And then the universe sent the crows to make sure our strong willed personalities were humbled in that moment. We both have heavy Sagittarius placements in our chart and don't like being told what to do and like to prove other people wrong. Shout out to our fellow Sag Danielle Smelly face. We ended up going to another trail that had the complete opposite feel and that we've been to many, many times before. Full of dogs and people. What do you guys think that was all about? Maybe a predator, mountain lion or creepy person lurking around? I don't know. But I love animals and trust their judgment. Thanks for all you do. I hope one day I can join one of your trips, sit around a campfire and tell you guys some more creepy paranormal stories passed down from my family that I have also experienced. Love you guys. Enjoy the view, but trust your prophetic dreams and the burbs.
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Danielle
Stop. There it is.
- [43:08]
Cassie
There it is. Not the burbs.
- [43:12]
Danielle
What do we think? I think there's something to be said about paying attention to the behavior of animals around you when you're out in nature. And sometimes they're responding to you or like sounding alarm calls or whatever because of your presence sense. But it could also be indicative of something else and it's important to make sure you're kind of in tune to that and paying attention to that.
- [43:35]
Cassie
Yeah, crows are also really intelligent birds, so I think that's also something to keep in mind. So I don't know what it could have been. Like you said it could have Been they didn't like you and wanted you out of their space. But also, I mean, maybe there was some protective aspect going on. Yeah.
- [43:52]
Danielle
Especially coupled with the dream beforehand. And just.
- [43:55]
Cassie
Yeah. It feels like we don't really believe in coincidences, and that feels like it could have been a warning for sure. Speaking of dreams, actually, this story reminded me. I had a dream about you last night.
- [44:06]
Danielle
Okay.
- [44:07]
Cassie
It was real. I woke up this morning, and I was like, what was that? And now I'm. Now, if it was a warning to me, I feel like I should confront you about it.
- [44:17]
Danielle
Confront me?
- [44:18]
Cassie
Yeah. Confront you.
- [44:19]
Danielle
Okay.
- [44:20]
Cassie
I had a dream that you approached me and said that you were giving up podcasting for your real dream to become a rock star. And you pulled out a guitar, and you started singing all of these songs that you had been writing. And you told me that your dream was to go out on the road and become a music. A musician.
- [44:41]
Danielle
Okay, well.
- [44:42]
Cassie
And then you showed up in that shirt for this to your recording.
- [44:46]
Danielle
I'm like, she's doing it.
- [44:47]
Cassie
It's coming true.
- [44:50]
Danielle
My prophetic dream. Yeah. You don't have to worry about me with that. That I don't even listen to music, so.
- [44:54]
Cassie
I know. I was shocked. You were really good in my dream, too.
- [44:58]
Danielle
Maybe it's like an alt. An alternate timeline that's maybe me, but in this one, that we're living, like, consciously right now. You don't have to worry about that.
- [45:07]
Cassie
Thank you.
- [45:08]
Danielle
You're welcome. I know if anything happens to either of us, like, we're kind of screwed. I think about that, like, actually kind of a lot. Yeah. And I feel like we need to.
- [45:19]
Cassie
Like, lives are very much intertwined.
- [45:22]
Danielle
Seriously. I'm like, what would ever happen?
- [45:25]
Cassie
And we need alternate.
- [45:26]
Danielle
I have a backup plan that I never told you as a musician. It is not. It is not. I asked. This is so funny, because it was actually like, a couple days, maybe a week ago now.
- [45:39]
Cassie
I'm so curious.
- [45:43]
Danielle
Something. I don't know what happened, but. Oh, yeah, we were. Me and Jeff were talking about some, like, wholesome things or whatever, and he. And he was like, just so you know, me, Wes, and Mike would each give a kidney to Cassie if she ever needed it. And I'm like, well, she's so nice. I'm like, well, she's already taken two people, so that's kind of selfish. And I'm like, but that's nice to know. And then, like, I don't know, just, like, devolved from there of being like, what would I ever do? Like, If Cassie. Like, something happened to Cassie.
- [46:13]
Cassie
Yeah.
- [46:14]
Danielle
And I was like, would you guys adopt me? Like, could I be absorbed into. In some sort of way?
- [46:20]
Cassie
Like, could I be the fourth host?
- [46:21]
Danielle
Yeah. Like, or something. Like, just adopt me in some way. Like, work for you guys. And I think he might have said no. So maybe it's not a backup plan, but I've been thinking about it, is my point.
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Cassie
Okay. All right. It's not a bad thing. I mean, you should have a backup plan, I guess.
- [46:39]
Danielle
And I'm not saying just me. Like, I could go before you.
- [46:42]
Cassie
Yeah, no, I know. Now I'm like.
- [46:44]
Danielle
Which I think I might.
- [46:45]
Cassie
You think you're gonna die before me?
- [46:47]
Danielle
Yeah.
- [46:48]
Cassie
Why?
- [46:48]
Danielle
I don't know. I just feel like I am.
- [46:50]
Cassie
Really?
- [46:50]
Danielle
Yeah. I feel like you're long for this world.
- [46:53]
Cassie
I do, too. My mom. My mom told me. So I backstory if you're, like, new to the podcast, but I have almost died very many times in my life. I've had two kidney transplants, and I've had countless surgeries. And I'm still kicking, but still too. Still doing well. My health is great right now, but my mom, when I was a kid, when I was going. Or a baby, I think I. When I was first born, had to have a lot of surgeries to live. And my mom was in the hospital with me for months and months at a time, and she saw a psychic who told her that she sees me as an old woman one day. And I've always kind of, like, held that in my pocket a little bit and been like, okay, well, I. I have some to go through for sure. This world has. Has some pretty rough plans for me, but I do think that I will be here for a while.
- [47:43]
Danielle
Yeah. I think it's also because I can very much envision you as an older woman. You know what I mean? Like, some people, I. I'm like. I don't know if I can see that, but for you, like, I see it, like, so for me.
- [47:56]
Cassie
Am I cute?
- [47:57]
Danielle
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
- [47:58]
Cassie
Thank you.
- [47:59]
Danielle
You're welcome.
- [47:59]
Cassie
That's all I needed.
- [48:00]
Danielle
Me and that psychic, we. We. We know.
- [48:04]
Cassie
Anyway, well, I would really appreciate if you would hang for a while, too.
- [48:08]
Danielle
I've freaking trying. Doing my best.
- [48:13]
Cassie
I would really appreciate if you. I know you have aspir aspirations, but I would appreciate if you stayed in this one for quite a while.
- [48:22]
Danielle
Okay. Yeah. I have commitments here and I do follow through with my commitment, so. Lucky for you.
- [48:28]
Cassie
Lucky for me.
- [48:28]
Danielle
Yeah. Okay. Anyway, my last story is titled Fear and Adventure in Widowhood I'm a relatively new listener. The first episode I listened to was the one on Port Chicago and I've been hooked ever since. Since I love hearing all the stories you guys share and getting to learn so much about the things no one else tells you about. I also think it's really fun to hear listeners trail tales. I didn't really think that I had any to share until today when a conversation with my husband Josh last night sparked something. Eight years ago I was in a very different place in life. I was married previously and In September of 2016 I found myself a widow at 31 years old. My late husband Mike passed tragically in a motorcycle accident at 36. That first year was a dark place I never knew I could find myself in. I had never been scared of trying new things, but anxiety found its way into my life in lots of ways and even some that I still deal with today. Josh had asked me last night if I ever still think of Mike and while I do, it's usually in stories that come up here and there. While listening to NPAD this morning on the way to work, it made me think of one that happened just over a year after Mike died. So back to the being scared of trying new things thing. Some good friends of mine love kayaking rivers. I did not grow up in or around water. I mostly grew up in the desert. So this was definitely new and now sounded very scary. They convinced me to join them on the Nantahala river in North Carolina and for some reason I said yes. So early morning in late September we drove up and started our trip. One double ducky for me and my friend Kim and five kayakers, her husband Jason, their son Gavin and three other friends. I started off a little rough. Gavin quickly went swimming and did not want to continue on. Kim and I dumped out also to make sure that he was safe and took a good 10 minutes to convince him to get back in his kayak so we could continue on. There was no choice as we were on the bank of a river with nowhere to go but down. We finally got everyone back in and continued on. The rest of the first half of the trip was beautiful and had relatively gentle waters. We stopped at a riverside pizza place and enjoyed lunch as well as some much needed break time before finishing up the route. Gavin decided he didn't want to go on any further and Kim was going to stay with him, which meant I would most likely have to venture down the river in the ducky by myself. That was not going to happen. I was still having Fun, but only because Kim was with me and knew what she was doing. So I was out. Even though I felt like that was the right decision, I was still disappointed to not complete the route that day. But then we realized we had to turn the ducky in at the end. So Jason decided he would leave his kayak with Kim and Jason and take the ducky down and offer to have me go with him so I could finish the river. Yes. Off we went. The final part of this river route is a Class 3 rapid that can definitely turn your boat over and off you swim. As we were getting close to it, Jason started giving me more direct tasks of where we were going to go over the rapid and how to paddle through it. You can hear the water getting louder and louder and see lots of people standing off to the side and watching others go over the rapids and also people watching to help you get out if you needed it. I felt the nerves growing, but also the excitement. Before I could really get caught up in my head, we were going through the rapids and over we went. And no swimming for me. It was one of the most exciting things I had ever done. And I just kept thinking I did it. That moment changed things for me as I continued to move through my grief of losing Mike and the buildup of self confidence from that moment. And that tragedy trip has stayed with me ever since. While I definitely went through years of anxiety issues related back to losing Mike, I have worked really hard to find the girl who got lost in all of that and that sense of adventure in all of that work. I found Josh. Not only someone who has always supported anything and anyone from my past life, but someone who is always ready for an adventure and has continued to help me find that part of me that I feel like I lost years ago. I'm sure it's no coincidence that he was a prior raft guide himself. And while we haven't gotten on a river together yet, we spend a lot of time in our own backyard with our two boys playing in our creek. Thank you for allowing a space to share and hear stories from everywhere and everyone. I hope you know that you make a difference. So enjoy the view, but watch your back and don't let the fear of something new stop you. Allison.
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Cassie
I love that story. Me too. That was really fun. And it kind of the whole time I was reminiscing on some, like, whitewater stories that we have had too. Me too. It's just there's. It's a fun adventure and it's. It's different if you're if you're, if it's not something that you normally do.
- [53:03]
Danielle
When we were in Banff, do you remember what class that was? Two.
- [53:08]
Cassie
Yeah. Or class three. Three, I think.
- [53:11]
Danielle
Yeah. I'm trying, I'm trying to, like, mentally see what she was seeing, but especially for someone who's never done that. And then all of a sudden it's like, we're going.
- [53:18]
Cassie
It's like you're in it now.
- [53:19]
Danielle
You're in it. But yeah, I don't know. I, I like the sentiment of that. And, you know, just, just because I can personally relate to that, too. And like trying to find yourself again after a loss or a big change or some, some trauma that you may have experienced and trying to like, you're never going to get back because, like, you're not that person before you're. Or anymore you're changed. But like trying to like, rebuild and get and find your new, the new.
- [53:47]
Cassie
Person that you are.
- [53:48]
Danielle
Yeah. And it takes a lot of freaking work. So I really appreciated the way that she worded that and good for her.
- [53:54]
Cassie
Well, thank you everyone, for hanging out. Yeah, that was it. Those are all our stories for today, except we do have two additional ones that we will have on our outsiders, only on Apple subscribers or Patreon, so you can hang out with us there. My story is titled Caught With My Pants down.
- [54:13]
Danielle
And mine is titled Bears Are Just Big Dogs. Right, right, right. Maybe.
- [54:18]
Cassie
Well, we'll see. Thank you everyone for tuning in. We will see you next time. In the meantime, enjoy the view, but watch your back. Bye, everyone.
- [54:25]
Danielle
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