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Negotiating the Ocean
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Negotiating the Ocean, an Ocean Equity podcast by ANCORS, peeks below the surface of international ocean governance. We take you behind the scenes of global talks on biodiversity, fisheries and deep-sea mining and ask the big questions around equity and social justice. This podcast enables a more inclusive understanding for those who can’t attend international meetings and provides vital information for new diplomats, NGOs and ocean researchers. This is your audio guide to navigate these high seas negotiations, brought to you by the Australian National Centre for Ocean Resources and Security.
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4) Navigating the Voyage Ahead: Treaty Implementation
Mar 1600:52:33Tap to summarizeEpisode 4 covers practical considerations how to implement Part II of the BBNJ Agreement. Experts share experiences from ratification processes in their countries, considerations in relation to Intellectual Property Rights for the transfer of Marine Technology, current discussions around the standardised batch identifier, ideas how to enhance interoperability of databases, and the role of the BBNJ Committees to deal with issues of Access and Benefit Sharing, as well as Capacity Building and the Transfer of Marine Technology.GuestsFran Humphries, Associate Professor at Griffith University, Australia, specialises in biodiversity law, law of the sea and intellectual property. She has led large projects on governance of genetic resources, digital sequence information and associated traditional knowledge for governments, NGOs and UN organisations. She was on the International Council of Environmental Law delegation during the BBNJ negotiations. She recently led an open access practical guide and commentary on the BBNJ Agreement's MGR obligations.Abbe Brown is Professor of Intellectual Property Law at the University of Aberdeen, specializing in IP’s intersection with other legal fields to address societal challenges. She served as BILETA Chair (2021–2024) and NERC Senior Expert (2021–2023), and was elected Fellow of the Royal Society of Edinburgh (2025). With nearly 10 years in legal practice (London, Melbourne, Edinburgh), Abbe maintains strong professional and industry ties. She contributes to BBNJ negotiations with Chemistry colleagues and the IUCN, co-developed Song of the Ocean, and led intergenerational public engagement events (e.g., Tall Ships Aberdeen, 2025). Abbe has participated in UNFCCC COP26, the WIPO Diplomatic Conference on Genetic Resources (2024), and serves on the UN Regular Process Expert Pool for the World Ocean Assessment and the WMU MGR Scientific Advisory Committee.Lowri Mai Griffiths is a senior legal and policy leader with over 20 years’ experience shaping the UK’s international approach to ocean governance. As Head of the Ocean Policy Unit at the Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office, she led the UK’s implementation of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) and served as Head of Delegation for the negotiation of the BBNJ Agreement. Lowri works at the intersection of law, science, policy and international cooperation, with a long‑standing commitment to evidence‑based policymaking and sustainable ocean governance.Richard Tur de la Concepcion serves as a Cuban delegate to the BBNJ process. Among his notable achievements is his role as coordinator of the Group of 77 and China in the Fifth Committee during 2023, under Cuba’s presidency of the Group. During that period, he was recognized for his leadership and initiatives aimed at enhancing the efficiency and impact of the United Nations.Co-productionIna Tessnow-von Wysocki - Postdoctoral research Fellow, ANCORSJennifer Macey - Journalist & PhD Candidate, University of WollongongFran Humphries - Associate Professor in Environmental Law, Griffith University Law School Amelia Westmoreland - Scientific Researcher for 3Bio & Engagement StrategistMarcel Jaspars - Professor of Chemistry, University of AberdeenAbbe Brown - Professor in Intellectual Property Law, University of Aberdeen EditingBettina Otterbeck - Freelance Video Editor CommunicationsSunnefa Yeatman - PhD Candidate, ANCORSFurther readingSee Chapters 9, 10, 12, and 13 in Humphries, F. (ed.) (2025), Decoding Marine Genetic Resource Governance under the BBNJ Agreement (Springer) Funded by the European Union under the Horizon Europe Programme, Grant Agreement No. 101082304 (BlueRemediomics). Views and opinions expressed are however those of the author(s) only and do not necessarily reflect those of the European Union or the granting authority, the Research Executive Agency (REA). Neither the European Union nor the granting authority can be held responsible for them.
Transcribe →3) Anchoring the Framework: Interaction between Treaty Systems
Mar 901:01:42Tap to summarizeEpisode 3 explores the role and future design of the treaty’s Clearing-House Mechanism (CHM). The episode examines why this mechanism is needed and what will be required to establish it effectively. Discussion focuses on how the CHM could connect with existing gene banks, repositories, databases to facilitate information sharing on MGRs. The conversation also highlights the potential role of the CHM as a “match-maker” between capacity needs and capacity-building opportunities. In addition, the episode considers how traditional knowledge of Indigenous Peoples and local communities may be recognised and protected, and reflects on related debates in other international fora.GuestsMarcel Jaspars, Professor of Organic Chemistry at the University of Aberdeen leads the Marine Biodiscovery Centre which focuses on marine resources for novel pharmaceuticals, and to investigate fundamental questions in marine chemical ecology and biosynthesis. Marcel develops the science, its applications/industrial uptake and associated policy involved in marine biodiscovery and biotechnology. He provides scientific advice to the UK, EU and UN for global policy processes on ocean conservation and digital sequence information via reports, papers and taking part in discussion meetings.Amber Hartman Scholz, microbiologist and Head of the Science Policy & Internationalization Department at the Leibniz Institute DSMZ in Braunschweig, Germany. She leads international science policy research with an emphasis on ABS and DSI. She co-founded the DSI Scientific Network and the German Nagoya Protocol Hub and is engaged leads Observer delegations under the CBD, the WHO, BBNJ and the FAO Plant Treaty. She held previous science policy posts in the California State Senate and the White House Office of Science & Technology Policy during the Obama administration. She holds a PhD in Biology from the Johns Hopkins University.Julia Schutz Veiga, consultant in ocean governance and the law of the sea, with recognised expertise in the BBNJ Agreement and marine technology transfer. Her research examines how international legal architectures distribute power, access, and benefits in the global ocean, with particular attention to equity-oriented implementation and the interface between legal design and practice.Vanessa Paloma Lopes, early career scientist and recent graduate of Boston University, with a Master of Science degree in Marine Biology. Vanessa is a member of the Deep Ocean Stewardship Initiative (DOSI) BBNJ working group. Her research interests include a focus on enabling capacity building for early career scientists in SIDS and identifying challenges and options for sustainable development and conservation of the Oceans in Cabo Verde. Co-producers Ina Tessnow-von Wysocki - Postdoctoral Research Fellow, ANCORS Jennifer Macey - Journalist & PhD Candidate, University of WollongongFran Humphries - Associate Professor in Environmental Law, Griffith University Law SchoolAmelia Westmoreland - Scientific Researcher for 3Bio & Engagement StrategistMarcel Jaspars - Professor of Chemistry, University of AberdeenAbbe Brown - Professor in Intellectual Property Law, University of AberdeenEditing:Bettina Otterbeck - Freelance Video Editor Communications:Sunnefa Yeatman - PhD Candidate, ANCORSFurther readingHumphries, F. (ed.) (2025). Decoding Marine Genetic Resource Governance under the BBNJ Agreement (Springer):Chapter 8 (on TK) Chapter 9 (on Intellectual Property Rights) Chapter 11 (Interlinkages with other bodies) BBNJ Agreement & Official WebsiteFunded by the European Union under the Horizon Europe Programme, Grant Agreement No. 101082304 (BlueRemediomics). Views and opinions expressed are however those of the author(s) only and do not necessarily reflect those of the European Union or the granting authority, the Research Executive Agency (REA). Neither the European Union nor the granting authority can be held responsible for them.
Transcribe →2) The Ship has Reached the Shore’: Sharing Ocean Heritage & Wealth
Mar 201:03:06Tap to summarizeEpisode 2 goes from the negotiation room into the text of the treaty – to unpick what access and benefit sharing of Marine Genetic Resources really means. We explore what the treaty means in practice for scientists and commercial end users, what the provisions hold for Indigenous Peoples and local communities, and the relevance for future generations. GuestsThomas Vanagt holds a PhD in Science from the University of Ghent and is the founder of ABSint, now part of 3BIO, a multidisciplinary company specialising in the valorisation of biotechnology R&D. With over two decades of experience at the interface of marine science, policy, and innovation, he has advised multinational companies as well as leading research institutes such as KU Leuven and VIB. Vanagt provides high-level policy guidance to the European Commission (DG ENV, DG MARE) and to several States and regional groups in the United Nations negotiations on BBNJ. His work focuses on access and benefit-sharing, marine genetic resources, and enabling practical pathways for equitable and sustainable research.”Angelique Pouponneau is a Seychellois lawyer and ocean advocate who serves as Lead Negotiator for the Alliance of Small Island States on ocean issues. She has been engaged in the BBNJ negotiations since 2018, representing both Seychelles and AOSIS. With a PhD and LLM in Environmental Law and more than a decade of experience as a practitioner across small island developing States in the Caribbean, Pacific, and Indian Ocean, she brings deep expertise in ocean governance and climate action. Previously, Angelique served as CEO of the Seychelles Conservation and Climate Adaptation Trust and as Chief of Staff to the UN Secretary-General's Climate Action Team. Elisa Morgera is Professor of International Law and Sustainability at the University of Durham, UK and Professor of International and EU Environmental Law at the University of Eastern Finland. She is the UN Special Rapporteur on Climate Change and Human Rights. Zakieh Taghizadeh is a legal scholar specializing in international environmental law, ocean governance, intellectual property, and human rights. She actively participated in the Intergovernmental Conference (IGC) PrepCom negotiations that led to the adoption of the BBNJ Agreement. Her direct involvement in the BBNJ process as a legal researcher and practitioner, has shaped her research on the conservation of marine genetic resources, asymmetries in intergenerational and intra-generational equity, law of the sea and intellectual property treaty-making processes, and the normative evolution of global environmental governance.Co-ProducersIna Tessnow-von Wysocki - Postdoctoral research Fellow, ANCORSJennifer Macey - Journalist & PhD Candidate, University of WollongongFran Humphries - Associate Professor in Environmental Law, Griffith University Law School Amelia Westmoreland - Scientific Researcher for 3Bio & Engagement StrategistMarcel Jaspars - Professor of Chemistry, University of AberdeenAbbe Brown - Professor in Intellectual Property Law, University of Aberdeen EditingBettina Otterbeck - Freelance Video Editor CommunicationsSunnefa Yeatman - PhD Candidate, ANCORS Further readingHumphries, F. (ed.) (2025). Decoding Marine Genetic Resource Governance under the BBNJ Agreement (Springer) Chapter 5 (BBNJ Notification System) Chapter 6 (Monetary & Non-monetary benefits) Chapter 7 (Monitoring & Transparency) Chapter 8 (TK) Chapter 14 (Scientists & Commercial End Users) Chapter 15 (Equity)BBNJ Agreement & Official WebsiteFunded by the European Union under the Horizon Europe Programme, Grant Agreement No. 101082304 (BlueRemediomics). Views and opinions expressed are however those of the author(s) only and do not necessarily reflect those of the European Union or the granting authority, the Research Executive Agency (REA). Neither the European Union nor the granting authority can be held responsible for them.
Transcribe →1 ) Setting Sail: Negotiating the Treaty
Feb 2401:02:37Tap to summarizeAbout: This podcast series explores the governance of marine genetic resources (MGRs) under the BBNJ Agreement, moving beyond implementation challenges to unpack the treaty’s provisions for areas beyond national jurisdiction. Drawing on insights from scientists, treaty negotiators, Indigenous knowledge holders, policymakers, and commercial users, the series highlights diverse perspectives on equity, data governance, intellectual property, and institutional design. Episode 1 introduces how MGRs became a central and contested issue in the BBNJ negotiations. It explains the political compromises on access and benefit-sharing.GuestsLuciana Fernandes Coelho, consultant & Visiting Fellow of the Ocean Voices Programme, University of Edinburgh. She holds a PhD in Maritime Affairs and has experience as a Research Fellow at the Stockholm Environmental Institute, Coordinator for the DOALOS/Norad Programmes of Assistance, advocacy analyst for Oceana, Brazil, and as legal adviser for DOSI and the Brazilian delegations in the BBNJ negotiations.Daniel Kachelriess, expert on oceans, fisheries, wildlife law and policy and followed the negotiations of the BBNJ Agreement as part of the HSA and as a member of the IUCN World Commission on Environmental Law. He serves as HSA cross-cutting coordinator. His previous roles include Executive Director of a non-profit law firm, and the Marine Species Officer of the CITES Secretariat. Konrad Marciniak, Judge of the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea. He represented Poland in international fora and was closely involved in all stages of the BBNJ negotiations, serving as Head of the Polish delegation, member of the EU negotiating team on MGRs, and of the IGC Bureau. He holds a PhD on the legal status of MGRs.Joan Yang has been working on UN and Multilateral oceans issues since 2006 - which has included following the BBNJ process in all its iterations since 2006 and through the IGC she served as PSIDS coordinator on cross-cutting issues. Joan was also part of the Pacific team which secured the SDG on the Ocean and the KMGBF, including target 3. She is currently an advisor to the Vanuatu Mission in the UN who is the PSIDS coordinator on the Clearinghouse Mechanism. Tamara Thomas, Executive Director of Ocean Ties with 15+ years’ experience in international ocean governance, including the CBD, UNFCCC, BBNJ, and ISA. She held senior roles at Conservation International and The Nature Conservancy and advised the Chair of the UN BBNJ Preparatory Committee. She supports policy on marine nature-based solutions and innovative finance, holds a master in environmental management from Yale, and currently serves as Ocean and Ocean Climate Advisor to the Republic of Seychelles and co-leads finance, ABMT, and EIA discussions within the African Group under BBNJ.Co-producers:Ina Tessnow-von Wysocki - Postdoctoral Research Fellow, ANCORSJennifer Macey - Journalist & PhD Candidate, University of WollongongFran Humphries - Associate Professor in Environmental Law, Griffith University Law School Amelia Westmoreland - Scientific Researcher for 3Bio & Engagement StrategistMarcel Jaspars - Professor of Chemistry, University of AberdeenAbbe Brown - Professor in Intellectual Property Law, University of Aberdeen Editing: Bettina Otterbeck - Freelance Video EditorCommunications:Sunnefa Yeatman - PhD Candidate, ANCORSFurther readingHumphries, F. (2025). Decoding Marine Genetic Resource Governance Under the BBNJ AgreementChapter 1 Chapter 2Chapter 3Chapter 4BBNJ Agreement Text & Official BBNJ Website Funded by the European Union under the Horizon Europe Programme, Grant Agreement No. 101082304 (BlueRemediomics). Views and opinions expressed are however those of the author(s) only and do not necessarily reflect those of the European Union or the granting authority, the Research Executive Agency (REA). Neither the European Union nor the granting authority can be held responsible for them.
Transcribe →Episode 13 - Capacity Building and the Transfer of Marine Technology
Feb 601:04:21Tap to summarizeA new Ocean Agreement has entered into force to conserve and sustainably use the ocean globally. Given the imbalance of scientific, technical and financial capacity across countries to use the world’s ocean, conduct marine scientific research in the deep sea and engage in maritime activities in areas beyond national jurisdiction, the new agreement seeks to change the status quo. With a dedicated part on Capacity building and the Transfer of Marine Technology, the imbalance is supposed to be addressed, and global implementation of the agreement’s objectives be facilitated.What falls under Capacity building in the context of the BBNJ Agreement?What is meant by the transfer of marine technology?How is this part crucial for the implementation of the new treaty?We hear from different “Ocean Voices” from Fellows of the Ocean Voices Program of the University of Edinburgh and dive deep into their different research and ocean equity aspects in the framework of the BBNJ Agreement. Guests: Harriet Harden-Davies Julia Schuetz-Veiga*Renee LewinilovoBenit MbiakoloBeatriz Naranjo ElizondoMaila GuilhonHosts: Ina Tessnow-von Wysocki & Jennifer Macey Sound design and editing: Emily PerkinsCommunication: Sunnefa YeatmanFor comments & feedback please contact: inatvw@uow.edu.au Find out more:ANCORS Ocean Equity page https://oceanequityresearch.org/ANCORS at the University of Wollongong https://www.uow.edu.au/ancors/Ocean Voices Program: https://ocean-voices.ed.ac.uk/ You can find capacity building initiatives and technical assistance for the BBNJ process on the United Nations Website: https://www.un.org/bbnjagreement/en/capacity-building-and-technical-assistance/overview Read on Capacity Building and the Transfer of Marine TechnologyEtuk Johnson, A., Harden-Davies, H. (2025). Capacity Building and Transfer of Marine Technology under the BBNJ Agreement: Key considerations for SIDS. Report for the Australian National Centre for Ocean Resources and Security, University of Wollongong. https://oceanequityresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/Arianne-Etuk_Capacity-Building-and-Transfer-of-Marine-Technology-under-the-BBNJ-Agreement.pdfHarden-Davies, H., Lopes, V.F., Coelho, L.F. et al. First to finish, what comes next? Putting Capacity Building and the Transfer of Marine Technology under the BBNJ Agreement into practice. npj Ocean Sustain 3, 3 (2024). https://doi.org/10.1038/s44183-023-00039-1Tessnow-von Wysocki, I., Bateh, F., Gobin, J., Harden-Davies, H., Kyeremeh, K., & Schutz-Veiga, J. (2024). Next steps to implement the BBNJ Agreement through capacity building and technology transfer. Maripoldata. https://www.maripoldata.eu/next-steps-to-implement-the-bbnj-agreement-through-capacity-building-andtechnology-transfer/Johannes, R. E. (1981). Words of the lagoon: fishingand marine lore in the Palau district of Micronesia. Univ of California Press. Know more & Research of the Ocean Voices FellowsCosta Rica Desconocida: https://costaricadesconocida.com/Guilhon, M, Xavier, LY, von Pogrell, L, Singh, P,Christiansen, S & Turra, A 2023, ‘Ecosystem-based Management through thelenses of International Seabed Authority stakeholders: current status,implications, and opportunities for the deep-sea mining regime in theArea’, Frontiers in Marine Science, vol. 10. Naranjo-Elizondo, B & Cortés, J 2018, ‘Observations ofLitter Deposited in the Deep Waters of Isla del Coco National Park, EasternTropical Pacific’, Frontiers in Marine Science, vol. 5.Harden-Davies, Harriet, and Júlia Schütz Veiga, 'PartV: Capacity-Building and the Transfer of Marine Technology', in Joanna Mossop, and David Freestone (eds), The Agreement on Marine Biodiversity of Areas Beyond National Jurisdiction: Commentary and Analysis (2025; online edn, Oxford Law , https://doi.org/10.1093/law/9780198918578.003.0008, Meet Renee Lewenilovo Meet Benit Mbiakolo * Julia Schuetz-Veiga is currently a Visiting Fellow at the Ocean Voices Program
Transcribe →Episode 12 - Ocean Cooperation: BBNJ & other IFBs
Nov 100:48:20Tap to summarizeEpisode 12 - Ocean Cooperation: BBNJ & other IFBsWhen the new BBNJ Agreement was adopted, it entered a crowded space of already existing Instruments, Frameworks and Bodies (IFBs) in ocean governance.What do other organisations think of BBNJ - and where are overlaps?Which lessons can be learned from cooperation in a shared ocean?How would ideal cooperation look like?In this episode we talk to 4 Secretariats of those IFBs:One regional fisheries management organisation (North East Atlantic Fisheries Commission, NEAFC); one regional conservation organisation (OSPAR); the International Seabed Authority (ISA); and the Convention on Biological Diversity (CBD).Guests: Darius Campbell, the Executive Secretary of the North East Atlantic Fisheries Commission (NEAFC) Dominic Pattinson, the former Executive Secretary of the OSPAR CommissionBruno Pozzi, the Deputy Secretary General of the International Seabed Authority (ISA)Joe Appiott, the coordinator for marine, coastal and island biodiversity of the Convention on Biological Diversity (CBD)Hosts: Ina Tessnow-von Wysocki & Bianca Haas & Jennifer MaceySound design and editing: Emily PerkinsCommunication: Sunnefa YeatmanFor comments & feedback please contact: inatvw@uow.edu.au Find out more:ANCORS Ocean Equity page https://oceanequityresearch.org/ANCORS at the University of Wollongong https://www.uow.edu.au/ancors/Official documents in preparation for the Entry into Force of the BBNJ Agreement on the United Nations WebsiteBBNJ: https://www.un.org/bbnjagreement/enNorth East Atlantic Fisheries Commission: https://www.neafc.org/ OSPAR: https://www.ospar.org/International Seabed Authority (ISA): https://isa.org.jm/ Convention on Biological Diversity (CBD): https://www.cbd.int/ Further Materials & SourcesOSPAR Decision 2021/01 on the establishment of the North Atlantic Current and Evlanov Sea basin Marine Protected Area https://www.ospar.org/documents?v=46308 Collective arrangement between competent international organisations on cooperation and coordination regarding selected areas in areas beyond national jurisdiction in the North‐East Atlantic: https://www.ospar.org/documents?v=33030
Transcribe →Episode 11 - Children & Youth
Sep 3000:34:51Tap to summarizeAround half of the world’s population are young people but how are they included in international negotiations about the future of our planet? This episode portrays the importance of youth involvement in intergovernmental processes, maps different ways for young people to participate in ocean negotiations and highlights opportunities at local, national and global levels.How can younger generations shape the future of our ocean?What is the age group of young ocean advocates?And what needs to be changed to strengthen youth engagement in our current ocean governance systems?Guests: Charley Peebler (Co-Founder of Heirs to Our Ocean, Global Youth Leader, and Member of Youth Inclusion Expert Working Group for the UN Ocean Decade)Chloe McKenna (Head of Communications for Heirs to Our Ocean, Global Youth Leader, and Member of Youth Inclusion Expert Working Group for the UN Ocean Decade)Armon Alex (Head of Development and Outreach for Heirs to Our Ocean, Global Youth Leader, and Member of Youth Inclusion Expert Working Group for the UN Ocean Decade)Ishwarya Kandasamy (Thematic Focal Point for BBNJ, Oceans Youth Constituency, Major Group for Children and Youth)Hosts: Ina Tessnow-von Wysocki & Jennifer Macey Sound design and editing: Emily PerkinsCommunication: Sunnefa YeatmanFor comments & feedback please contact: inatvw@uow.edu.au Find out more:ANCORS Ocean Equity page https://oceanequityresearch.org/ANCORS at the University of Wollongong https://www.uow.edu.au/ancors/You can find official documents in preparation for the Entry into Force of the BBNJ Agreement on the United Nations Website: https://www.un.org/bbnjagreement/en/meetings/preparatory-commission/documents/second-session-18-29-august-2025Youth-led NGO “Heirs to Our Ocean”:Official Website: https://h2oo.org/Meet Heirs to Our Ocean The Official Children and Youth Constituency of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (YOUNGO):Official Website: https://youngoclimate.org/ To join Ocean’s Voice working group of YOUNGO Major Group for Children and Youth (MGCY): Official Website: https://www.unmgcy.org/ Get involved with MGCY as an organisation and as an individual United Nations Youth Delegate Program: Become a UN Youth DelegateFurther Youth Engagement opportunities: Become a High Seas Youth AmbassadorBecome a member of the Youth Advisory CouncilYouth Advocacy Training - World Ocean DayYouth LeadershipHome | GenSeaA WAVE OF MESSAGES FOR THE HIGH SEAS - High Seas Alliance Treaty RatificationHigh Seas Youth Advocacy | Trello Research on the BBNJ process by ANCORS researchers:Lothian, S. (2023). The BBNJ preamble: More than just window dressing. Marine Policy, 153, 105642-. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.marpol.2023.105642Lothian, S. L. (2022). Marine conservation and international law: legal instruments for biodiversity beyond national jurisdiction. Routledge, Taylor & Francis Group.Tessnow-von Wysocki, I., & Vadrot, A. B. M. (2024). Pathways of scientific input into intergovernmental negotiations: a new agreement on marine biodiversity. International Environmental Agreements : Politics, Law and Economics, 24(2–3), 325 348. https://doi.org/10.1007/s10784-024-09642-0Tessnow-von Wysocki, I., & Vadrot, A. B. M. (2022). Governing a Divided Ocean: The Transformative Power of Ecological Connectivity in the BBNJ Negotiations. Politics and Governance, 10(3), 14 28. https://doi.org/10.17645/pag.v10i3.5428Tessnow-von Wysocki, I., & Vadrot, A. B. M. (2020). The Voice of Science on Marine Biodiversity Negotiations: A Systematic Literature Review. Frontiers in Marine Science, 7. https://doi.org/10.3389/fmars.2020.614282
Transcribe →Episode 10 - Human Rights at Sea
Aug 400:27:12Tap to summarizeOver the last decade human rights violations in the fishing industry have received global attention. Many of these incidents occur on board fishing vessels, often fishing far off the coast. In this episode, three experts who have been fighting to ensure better working conditions for crew on board fishing vessels will provide insights into this topic. Guests: Rizky Octaviana – Indonesian MigrantWorkers Union, SBMIBubba Cook – SharkspacificMarcelo Hidalgo – Fishing IndustryAssociation Papua New Guinea Hosts: Bianca Haas & Jennifer MaceySound design and editing: Emily Perkins Communication: Sunnefa YeatmanFor comments & feedback please contact: inatvw@uow.edu.au Find out more:ANCORS Ocean Equity page https://oceanequityresearch.org/ANCORS at the University of Wollongong https://www.uow.edu.au/ancors/ Indonesian Migrant Workers Union (SBMI):Webpage: https://sbmi.or.id/Sharkspacific: Webpage: https://sharkspacific.org/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/sharkspacificorgLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/sharks-pacific/posts/?feedView=allInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/sharkspacificorg/?hl=enFishing Industry Association Papua New Guinea:Webpage: https://www.fia-png.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/fishing-industry-association-fia/posts/?feedView=all Official Documents from WCPFC:Conservation and Management Measure for Crew Labour Standards (WCPFC Meeting, 2024): CMM 2024-04 -Conservation and Management Measure for Crew Labour Standards | Monitoring andEvaluation Research on the Western and Central Pacific Fisheries Commission by ANCORS researchers:Haas, B., Oh, S., Dalton, K., Chang, SK., Fitzpatrick, J., Minami, K., Matsui, H., Xue, G., An, J.E., Azmi, K., Davis, R., Lin, H.Y., Jung, M.H., and Hanich, Q. (2023). Untangling Jurisdictional Complexities for Crew Labour Regulations on Fishing Vessels in the Western and Central Pacific Ocean. The International Journal of Marine and Coastal Law. https://doi.org/10.1163/15718085-bja10120Hidalgo, M., Trott, P., and Haas, B. (2025). The vulnerability of observers – An evaluation of observer programs welfare and working conditions policies. Marine Policy. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.marpol.2024.106540Haas, B., Davis, R., Hidalgo, M., Posanau, N.A., and Papaol, D. (2025). Ensuring Social Accountability in Tuna Fisheries: Lessons Learned from the Pacific. https://www.fia-png.com/_files/ugd/872bdb_9f430e33bd634b13ab2b592f078c4102.pdf
Transcribe →Episode 9 - Deep-Sea Mining
Jul 900:43:27Tap to summarizeDeep-sea minerals are found in the depths of the ocean, thousands of meters below the surface in the seabed. Deep-sea mining has not yet occurred in international areas – those areas where no one state has jurisdiction, but where international cooperation is needed. The International Seabed Authority (ISA) is responsible for administration of mineral resources of the international ocean floor – the “Area”.States regularly meet in the headquarters of the ISA to negotiate rules and regulations under what conditions deep-sea mining could be allowed, which environmental standards would have to be followed and how to ensure that everyone benefits from potential mining activities. Not an easy task – therefore this episode introduces the topic of deep-sea mining and the work of the ISA. Timely with the negotiation schedule, this episode summarises the current state of the negotiations and which questions remain for the upcoming meetings. What does the International Seabed Authority do?How can potential benefits from deep-seabed minerals be equitably shared?What is the current state of the negotiations at the ISA?What does the new US executive order regarding deep-sea mining entail?And how does the International Seabed Authority relate to the new Agreement for Biodiversity in Areas Beyond National Jurisdiction (BBNJ)?Guests: Aline Jaeckel (ANCORS) and Pradeep Singh (Ozeano Azul Foundation)Hosts: Ina Tessnow-von Wysocki & Jennifer Macey Sound design and editing: Emily PerkinsCommunication: Sunnefa YeatmanANCORS literature on Deep-Seabed MiningSingh, P. A., Jaeckel, A., & Ardron, J. A. (2025). APause or Moratorium for Deep Seabed Mining in the Area? The Legal Basis, Potential Pathways, and Possible Policy Implications. Ocean Development & International Law, 56(1), 18–44. https://doi.org/10.1080/00908320.2024.2439877Singh P, Jaeckel A. Undermining by Mining? Deep SeabedMining in Light of International Marine Environmental Law. AJIL Unbound. 2024;118:72-77. doi:10.1017/aju.2024.8Jaeckel, A., Harden-Davies, H., Amon, D.J. et al. Deepseabed mining lacks social legitimacy. npj Ocean Sustain 2,1 (2023). https://doi.org/10.1038/s44183-023-00009-7Jaeckel, A. L. (05 Jan. 2017). The International SeabedAuthority and the Precautionary Principle. Leiden, The Netherlands: Brill | Nijhoff. https://doi.org/10.1163/9789004332287 More Information about Deep-sea MiningInternational Seabed Authority Website ANCORS Ocean Equity Website Oceano Azul Foundation WebsiteFollow the negotiations live on the official ISA Web TV:Council (23 June – 4 July 2025)Assembly (21 – 25 July 2025) For comments & feedback please contact: inatvw@uow.edu.au
Transcribe →Episode 8 – The United Nations Ocean Conference
Jun 800:35:06Tap to summarizeEpisode 8 – The United Nations Ocean Conference The 8th of June is World Ocean Day – a day to celebrate the ocean and to address the challenges that the ocean faces from human activities, such as overexploitation, pollution, and climate change.This episode dives into the Third United Nations Ocean Conference (UNOC 3) and reflects on the beauty and the importance of the ocean to all of us – no matter if we live close to the ocean, or far away.What does the ocean mean to us?How is the ocean important to landlocked countries?What can we expect from the upcoming UN Ocean Conference in Nice?Join us with our guests:Minna Epps, IUCNFabienne McLellan, Ocean CarePradeep Singh, Ozeano Azul Foundation Maila Guilhon, Ocean Voices ProgrammeHosts: Ina Tessnow-von Wysocki & Jennifer Macey Sound design and editing: Emily Perkins Communication: Sunnefa YeatmanFor comments & feedback please contact: inatvw@uow.edu.au Find out more:United Nations Ocean Conference Information and Programme: https://sdgs.un.org/conferences/ocean2025/programmeANCORS involvement with UNOC:Nice Declaration - Human Rights at SeaJune 10, 3-5pm, 18 avenue Jean Médecin From Treaty to Action: Multi-Stakeholder Cooperation for the High Seas 11 June, 4-6pm. La BaleineOcean Futures 2030: addressing the gaps in implementing the BBNJ agreement, 12 June, 12-1 pm at the Best Western Plus Hôtel Massena Nice, 58, rue Gioffredo, 06000 NiceANCORS Ocean Equity page https://oceanequityresearch.org/ANCORS at the University of Wollongong https://www.uow.edu.au/ancors/International Union for the Conservation of Nature (IUCN): https://iucn.org/ OceanCare: https://www.oceancare.org/Oceano Azul Foundation: https://oceanoazulfoundation.org/Ocean Voices Programme: https://ocean-voices.ed.ac.uk/
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