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Episode: Strengthen Your 2026 Financial Plan and Optimize TSP and 403(b) Accounts for Heirs
Hosts: Sean Pyles, CFP® & Elizabeth Ayola
Guests: Ana Helhoski (NerdWallet News), Taryn Fanouf (Investing Nerd), Amanda Barroso (Personal Finance Nerd)
Release Date: December 11, 2025

Episode Overview

This episode mixes a deep look at Americans’ financial outlook for 2026—based on fresh survey data—with a listener question about best practices for managing TSP and 403(b) retirement accounts intended as an inheritance. The NerdWallet team unpacks emotions, plans, and risks as people look ahead to the new year, then offers tailored strategies for leaving a financial legacy.

Money News Roundup: Americans’ 2026 Financial Outlook

Segment: 02:03–08:05

Survey Highlights & Emotions Heading Into 2026

• Optimism Is High: 63% of Americans are optimistic they’ll be better off financially in 2026.
  • Ana Helhoski (02:45): “NerdVault’s new report found that 63% of Americans expect that 2026 will be financially better for them than 2025.”
• Anxieties Remain: About ⅓ aren’t sure they can weather economic shocks like market crashes, recessions, or income loss.
  • Ana Helhoski (04:36): “Nearly 40% say they could not withstand an income loss. So that's still a significant portion of the population.”
• Emotional Split by Demographics:
  • More men report feeling optimistic, women are more stressed or anxious.
  • Gen Z and Millennials are more likely to feel excited, vs. Gen Xers and Boomers.
  • Ana Helhoski (03:31): “More men are likely to say they feel optimistic… while women are more likely to feel stressed or anxious… Gen Z and Millennials are more likely to be excited…”

Top Financial Plans and Risks for 2026

• Popular Positive Moves:
  • Using credit card rewards or saving for emergencies (nearly 50%)
  • Paying off debts in full (⅓)
  • Increasing retirement contributions (⅕)
• Risks on the Radar:
  • 3 in 5 expect to take at least one financial risk
  • 1 in 5 plan to invest in crypto or AI-related stocks
  • 1 in 5 plan to start a business or buy a home (06:22)
• Key Concern: Inflation and rising prices remain the chief worry
  • Over ½ expect prices to worsen (04:36)

Action Steps & Nerdy Advice

• Start with Emergency Savings:
  • Even $1,000 is a solid first target if 3–6 months feels out of reach (06:42)
  • Sean Pyles (06:42): “If three to six months feels out of reach for you, start with saving a thousand dollars and see what you can grow from there.”
• Debt Payoff:
  • Use avalanche (high-interest-first) or snowball (smallest-first), or seek nonprofit credit counseling if overwhelmed (07:04)
• Invest for the Long Term:
  • Continue investing, even if only in small amounts and through workplace accounts

Listener Question: Optimizing TSP & 403(b) for Heirs

Segment: 10:47–26:25

Listener Scenario (Read at 11:46)

Retired military (listener) and spouse (teacher, retiring soon) have comfortable pensions, Social Security, and $1.2 million in TSP & 403(b) accounts, which they intend to leave to their children/grandchildren. The key question: How should they invest those funds for legacy, not personal use?

Understanding TSP & 403(b) Basics

(13:37–13:49)

• TSP (Thrift Savings Plan): For military/government employees; similar to a 401(k), offers traditional (pre-tax) and Roth (post-tax) options.
• 403(b): For public/nonprofit sector workers, like teachers; operates similarly to a 401(k).
• Contribution limits: $23,500 for those under 50; higher for those 50+.
  • Taryn Fanouf (13:09): “Both plans act a lot like a 401k… They offer tax advantages so you can contribute pre-tax income and get your taxes reduced now…”

Investment Strategies for Heirs

1. Leave the Funds in the Employer Accounts or Move Them?

(13:58–14:50)

• Evaluate Investment Options & Fees:
  • Employer plans often have limited, sometimes more expensive, investment choices.
  • Consider rolling to an IRA for broader/better choices while maintaining tax advantages.
  • Taryn Fanouf (13:58): “If the listener likes the plan's investment options and the fees aren't too high… they could leave the money where it is… If they think they could get better investment options elsewhere, it's worth considering rolling the funds into an individual retirement account.”

2. Setting the Right Asset Allocation for a Long Time Horizon

(15:02–17:12)

• Balancing Growth and Caution:
  • Long horizon suggests higher stock allocation, but since it’s for heirs—not one’s own retirement—be cautious.
  • Don’t risk so aggressively that funds might decline substantially right before they’re needed.
  • Taryn Fanouf (15:02): “Normally you'd see someone with that kind of time investing aggressively. But just because they're not planning to use it doesn't mean they want to risk it all.”
  • Consider target-date funds for auto-adjusting between stocks/bonds (16:23).
• Potential Need for Unexpected Withdrawals:
  • Health costs or long-term care needs may still arise.
  • Taryn Fanouf (17:24): “I think they could experience unexpected costs in retirement that compel them to dip into these accounts…”

3. Estate Planning Essentials

(18:14–21:46)

• Required Minimum Distributions (RMDs):
  • TSPs and 403(b)s require RMDs starting at age 73—even if you’d intended not to touch them.
  • Taryn Fanouf (18:42): “Retirement accounts like these generally require you to start taking minimum distributions when you reach age 73.”
• Rules for Heirs:
  • Beneficiaries must empty inherited accounts within 10 years (22:26).
  • Non-spouse heirs owe income tax on withdrawals.
  • Amanda Barroso (22:26): “Also, non spouse beneficiaries must empty the accounts within 10 years of the account owner's death, which could lead to a robust tax bill.”
• Beneficiaries & Estate Plan:
  • Beneficiary forms in retirement accounts override your will!
  • Keep designations updated with the retirement plan administrator.
  • Consider whether a trust should be the designated beneficiary to exert more control (21:14).
  • Taryn Fanouf (21:46): “The beneficiaries you have listed within your retirement plan will supersede anyone you name in your will…”

4. Tax Efficiency: Roth Conversion?

(22:51–24:07)

• How it Works:
  • Moving TSP/403(b) funds into a Roth IRA = pay all taxes now, then grow/withdraw tax-free
• Pros: No RMDs, heirs get tax-free withdrawals, long-term tax savings for heirs
  • Taryn Fanouf (23:14): “After the conversion, your investments grow tax free and that could be significant depending on how soon you start rolling over that money.”
• Cons: May trigger a large one-time tax bill (could bump you into higher bracket), needs planning to do efficiently.
  • Taryn Fanouf (23:14): “Roth conversions can generate a significant tax bill that could even move you into a higher tax bracket.”

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Estate Planning:
  Amanda Barroso (19:15): “She’s begging you, people, she’s begging you—please have a plan.”
• On Generational Impact:
  Taryn Fanouf (25:16): “It could be so meaningful to make an impact with people at a younger age... I can think of a lot of ways I would use like a really nice big gift.”
• On Frolicking with Wealth:
  Elizabeth Ayola (25:45): “I am frolicking in a field of sunflowers with a margarita in hand and a summer dress and I’m frolicking and frolicking. So that’s it.”

Timestamps for Key Segments

• Survey & 2026 Outlook: 02:03–08:05
• Listener Question (Retirement Legacy): 10:47–26:25
• TSP & 403(b) Explainer: 13:37–13:49
• Investment Strategy for Heirs: 15:02–17:12
• Estate Planning Needs: 18:14–21:46
• Roth Conversion Discussion: 22:51–24:07
• Hosts Share Their Dream Uses for $1.2M: 24:07–26:17

Nerdy Takeaways

• Plan for Flexibility: Even if you think retirement accounts are for heirs, don’t assume you’ll never need them—medical surprises happen.
• Set Up an Estate Plan Early: Keep account beneficiaries in sync and consider if a trust fits your legacy goals.
• Maximize Tax Efficiency: Consider a Roth conversion for long horizons—but mind the tax bill.
• Make Meaningful Gifts: Sometimes making an impact during your lifetime—while seeing the benefits—is as powerful as a traditional inheritance.

For tailored advice, especially on asset allocation and Roth conversions, consult a fiduciary financial advisor.

“We are not your financial or investment advisors. This nerdy info is for general educational and entertainment purposes and may not apply to your specific circumstances.” (27:05)

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