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Cash & Coif: Styling Your Hair and your Wealth with Chris Appleton
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I was told often, you'll never do the COVID at Vogue. You'll never work with certain photographers, you'll never work with certain celebrities. It kind of was make or break, and I guess I made it.
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This episode of Net Worth and Chill is brought to you by Marshalls. I love sharing new tips on how to make the most of your money. And one of the biggest misconceptions about looking good is that you have to spend. Spend a lot and I'll be real with you. I want those high quality items that'll last. But I'm also on the hunt for the best deal. How can I dress in brand name on trend pieces without maxing out my credit cards? My go to place to do that is Marshalls, where I know I can get the brands I love at 20 to 60% off retail prices. Visit a store or head to marshalls.com to see what good stuff you can find today. What's up, rich friends? Welcome back to an episode of Net Worth and Chill with me, your rich BFF Vivian too. And today we are going to talk about a topic that is very important. Special girls like me, AKA people with perfect hair. In fact, I have been asked multiple times if I have extensions. And I would like to set the record straight. I do not. This is my hair. But all jokes aside, the hair care industry was valued at $91.2 billion in 2023 and is expected to grow to 105 billion by 2028. So it's clear that people are taking this industry very seriously. Hairs, 22% of the global beauty market and second only to skincare. So people are spending big bucks. And today we need to chat with an expert who is not only an iconic celebrity hairstylist, but also the global, global creative director for color. Wow. Since its inception, a global ambassador for Shark beauty and a global color ambassador for Schwarzkopf. I got it all. He has worked with some of the biggest names in the industry, including Kim Kardashian, Ariana Grande, Katy Perry, Jennifer Lopez, and so many more. Everyone please welcome the king of hair, Chris Appleton.
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Come on, Bob. What an introduction. Thank you.
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B
Of course. Thank you so much for being here. And I want to start this podcast off. Very fun. You have had some amazing haircuts yourself, but I want to hear about one that was not so amazing. Have you ever gotten a haircut that you were like, I look like I went to a butcher shop. And how much did you pay for that haircut?
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Yeah, I mean, I've had a few interesting haircuts over the time. I've had a few, like, disasters. I think everyone can relate to a hair disaster.
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B
Okay. Yeah, of course.
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But I've also had some very interesting haircuts. There's one particular haircut that lives on the Internet and haunts me to this day. And a few, A few people that, like, know me, they're like, you know, if you do that, I'm gonna get that picture out. I don't know what I was thinking, but it was like a Star Trek haircut, you know, it was kind of like a blunt bang. I think I was going through my very creative stage. I'm like, I'm a stylist. I'm very creative. And I had this kind of like, blunt bang. You know, it kind of gives me like a big Scotty kind of vibe.
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The Edna mode.
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Yeah. You know that haircut that every kid had.
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B
Yeah.
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Coconut, like unwillingly, but you know, like their moms did it, basically. I think I kind of decided to have that. It was very interesting. Disaster wise. I have obviously been blond. You are great for. Blonde is serious business. Yeah. But you know, like, it really is a commitment. And the thing is, what a lot of people don't understand about being blonde is like, if you do push it too far, it's not to say that your hair will be a bit dry or you get a few splendids, like, it can come off. You know, your hair can literally snap off at the root. Now if you have like long hair or whatever, you know, that's pretty stressful. Even my hair being short, there's been a few times where people are, I can do it, I can get it white for you. And I'm like, yeah. But I also want it to stay on my head. Because what most people don't know is after white, like, basically once your hair kind of lifts to like yellow, then pale yellow. After pale yellow, the hair to disintegrate. So basically that's when the color. Such a fine line between getting like a nice white platinum and having no hair. It really is that, like, you know, it's scary stuff.
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B
Yeah.
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So, yeah, I've had a few times people. I can do it and I'm like, oh, my God, my hair. I had to shave it off. So, yeah, I've had a few interesting.
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B
What's. What's the most you've ever spent on a hair treatment or haircut?
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A
Probably when I had my hair done, I think it was like, maybe it was like $1,000. I think it was. That was with the tip as well. I will say it's because they bleached it, and it was longer, so it.
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B
Was like a very long.
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For like seven hours. And also, like, I know them, and I know how much work went into it. So I was, you know, wanting to be. But normally I don't usually pay just because I'm in the industry.
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B
Yeah, so. Well, I have a question. Were some of those bad haircuts or bad hair treatments the reason you wanted to become a stylist? Or how did you decide you wanted to get into the hair business?
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A
No, it's an interesting story, I think, at school. I'm one of five kids, so I come from middle England.
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B
Yeah.
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A
One of five kids. And growing up, we were pretty.
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B
Which are the five?
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I'm the middle. Oh, I know. I don't know what that means. Do you love that or usually have that reaction? I'm okay with it because it's all I've ever known.
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B
Yeah. Okay.
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But I was kind of the underdog. Like, the boys did very masculine jobs. Play professional football, be a mechanic. The girls did girly jobs. I was kind of like, I wasn't that great at school, and little did I know at the time, but I was dyslexic, so it wasn't through laziness, but I just didn't understand. Like, the teacher would write stuff down on the board and expect me to memorize it, and it just didn't mean anything. And I remember the first time I kind of felt good is I did my mom's hair. Cause I was quite autistic. I used to paint and stuff, did my mom's hair, and I was like, stand up and look in the mirror. And she did. And I was like, oh, wow, look. You get to make people feel something. Like, I loved that ability to make people react.
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B
Yeah.
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You know, I was like, wow, I love that. I also loved acting and doing drama, and I had an interesting experience with that. And free 60. I ended up kind of focusing on hair. And I was like, all right, this is what I'm good at. I'll be the best at it. And I remember, like, nine years old thinking that I got a job in the salon when I was 13, and I just was hungry to be good at something. I didn't want to be told I wasn't good enough. Like, the teacher used to have, like, a pen and put red lines all through my work. And my mom would have to come in and say, you know, you can't do that. It makes him feel like he's stupid and he's not he just has a different way of understanding. Obviously, now we understand dyslexia.
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B
Yeah.
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But at the time, it wasn't recognized, and it was just like, you either learn this way or you don't, and you're stupid or lazy, you know? So I think hair really was a way of me proving that I was good at something. And I think the determination of baby being told that I wasn't good, like, made me want to be the best at it.
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B
Oh, I love that underdog story. And also how wonderful that your mom was so encouraging. And in a time where, like, a lot of parents would have just been like, why aren't you trying hard enough?
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A
Yeah.
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B
So that's awesome. But let's talk about those early years in the salon where you're really trying to, like, start your career and build it out. Like, what was that like? Did you feel like you were making enough money in that salon to make ends meet? Were you really excited? Was this. Did it feel like the most money you had ever made or what was that like?
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I think a lot of people have this kind of expectation of, like, Chris Appleton. So they've seen me on social media and they'll be like, okay, you good looking guy. Like, looks like he's in great places working with these, like, famous women. And, you know, people forget that social media is a very small part of really what you are in the bigger picture. And I think a lot of people don't really know my story. They don't know the build. And I think, you know, when I started in a salon at the age of 13, yeah, we got paid one pound an hour, which is one dollar an hour, you know, and it wasn't simple. Well, you know, you were scrubbing skirting boards. It was bleaching skirting boards with bleach and toothbrush, you know, sweeping hair and cleaning and a lot of cleaning. Honestly, you were kind of like a cleaner at the time. But I do remember the first day I stood in the salon. I remember women coming in, hair would be tied back, looking kind of shoulders would be flat. And I knew when they walked out, I had this feeling I can remember seeing. God, they walk differently. Have you ever had your hair blown out and you walk out the salon, you feel like everyone's looking at you.
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B
I'm doing the chino.
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Yeah. Flipping. Yeah. You're like, oh, God, you look good. Totally. Yeah. You feel like everyone's looking, even if they're not. It's just that feeling you get where you're like, yeah, I'm hot.
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B
You Know, like, I am who I think I am.
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Totally. And I remember seeing that and I remember now exactly where I stand in. I remember thinking to myself, like, this is what I wanna do, this is what I wanna be good at. I wanna be the best at it. And I just got to work and, you know, ten pound a day. So what was it? It was like 50 pound a week. It really wasn't enough to live on, but it really wasn't about the money for me. I was just determined to be good. And then it was when I kind of got on the floor and there was different ways of earning more money, you know, Then once I kind of got into the salon, I was like, what? What else is there? So then I started working outside the salon, looking at editorial stuff, like magazines, and just looking at all the different options you could do. And it was kind of my journey.
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B
I have a very interesting question because I recently learned this. Can you explain how hairstylists in salons get paid? Because I didn't know that hairstylists have to rent their chair.
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Yeah, well, it's different for me because I was in England. I think that's changed over time. But I mean, at the time I was employed, but I think now people rent a chair and then they pay like a, you know, a percentage of every kind they do to like the owner or whatever. I think the hairdresser industry has changed a lot over the years, especially since COVID It changed a lot. A lot of people work from home, now they have hair salons. I think it changed the whole industry a lot. I think also a lot of women, a lot of men as well, also realized how important the hairstylist was because, you know, everyone was like, damn, I don't even know my natural hair looked like this. And they don't like it totally, you know, and I think, you know, for me, like, good hair can make a big difference, even if you don't have a full face of makeup or a new outfit. I think when your hair is good, you can feel really good confidence. Totally. Yeah.
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B
So talk to me a little bit. You start working in editorial. How are you growing your client list? I'm certain you're not just bang, hanging down people's doors, are you?
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No, I mean, I wasn't. I didn't even live in London. I lived in a small town called Leicester. I would travel on the train. It was like a two hour journey. And I remember you stopped to try and hide from the conductor because they didn't have enough money for the train tickets. We Used to try and hide and it was expensive. And I'd go up and down London because I understood there was this sort of world outside of hair, editorial. So anyone that doesn't know what editorial is like magazine work, you know, fashion week, and it's a different type of hair. When you go to a salon, you have a haircut or a hairstyle and you expect it to last like a six week period. You know, when you're doing like fashion hair, it's a fashion show that lasts six minutes. You know, it's a very different type of hair. Like editorial hair might be just like a, you know, you see the COVID of Vogue and there'd just be like a piece of hair laying across the eye and it looks really romantic. But in real life, you'd push that hair off your face because it's tickling and it's actually really funny. Obviously I work with Kim a lot and I always say to her when I'm. We're on a photo shoot, I'll just get this little piece of hair and I'll pull it across her eye and she always kind of blows it out the way nobody's supposed to be there, like. But you know, it's a natural reaction. If something's in your eye, you push it out of the way. But, you know, it's a whole different philosophy of learning a different type of hair. And I remember people were very, I got a lot of pushback. People were like, no, you're a selling hairstylist, you'll never, I was told often, you'll never do the COVID at Vogue. You'll never work with certain photographers, you'll never work, you know, with certain celebrities because, you know, you do fashion, sorry, you do salon hair. And that's really. Stay in your lane. But with every. No, I just was like, all right, I'll show you. I just, I don't know. I don't know if it was something in me as a kid being told that I wasn't. And I knew I wasn't lazy. Like, I was just dyslexic. But no one knew. But I knew I wasn't lazy. I. I knew I had a brain. I knew I was creative and clever in different ways, but it was always this way. I was like, all right, I'll prove you wrong. I remember eventually I joined an agency in London and I was so excited. I was like, okay, guys, this is going to be the beginning. And, you know, really had big ambitions and big dreams and they kind of laughed at me and they were like, yeah. Okay. Kind of, you know, stay in your lane.
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B
And how did that make you feel?
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Oh, I mean, it was so. Oh, you feel so alone. You know, you feel so alone. And so, like, does anyone really believe in me? Like, I mean, is this ever gonna be. Did you ever stop fighting? You know, I feel like, do you ever have to stop pushing? Is anyone ever gonna give you a break? And I remember every step of the way. I just used it as an opportunity, you know, I remember doing a TV show in Hair. It was like a competition in hair, and I won that. And I just used every opportunity as a leaping board into the next thing. So I just tried to maximize opportunity. So even if I was, like, assisting at Fashion Week, I'd be, you know, traveling to Paris on a plane on a. On the Eurostar. I didn't have anywhere to stay. I would have to stay way outside of Paris in some. It was like a brothel. I remember that. It was like. It was like this sink in the room. It was like stains in the bed. But it's all I could afford. And it was all just to assist at the show. And I'd have to be there at 4 in the morning. I'd have no sleep, and I'd just be passing pins. It's not as though you get to go and be glamorous and do, you know, hair. You'd literally be passing pins to someone and you'd be privileged to do that. But I would just make sure. I was like. I was like, I'm going to watch what that head stylist does and why they are, what they. They are, who they are. Like, what did they do? How do they handle the. Handle themselves? How do they talk to people? What. What are they doing? I was just like a sponge, just absorbed, absorbed, absorbed. Then, you know, each opportunity I just tried to maximize. So then I started to look at. Okay, I've done editorial. I saw this, like, celebrity World celebrities in the uk. It's sort of a smaller kettle of fish at the time.
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B
Yeah.
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And I remember I was working with a makeup artist and she worked with Rita Ora, and she was like, you know, Rita's looking for a new hairstylist, and she linked us together. And I worked with Rita and then I kind of stayed with her for the next two years. That was sort of hand in hand at the time of social media. Yeah. And Instagram. So I just started just posting the hairstyles. I was always doing something different. It's kind of before, like, Kylie Jenner, you know, when she said all the different wigs, it was kind of just a bit before that. So we were like doing short hair and long hair, and she'd have it pink one day, but then it'd be bat blond the next. And people were kind of, I think, fascinated by how she, you know, she was known for a style and changing it up.
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B
Yeah.
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And I got a call one day from JLo's team and she asked for me to do a hair for the Vegas.
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B
How did that make you feel?
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A
Well, I just remember thinking, and this is to anyone out there that does feel like they're not recognized. Like the power of social media. Jello didn't follow me at the time. She didn't follow me for years after. But people look, you know, how often do you fall onto someone's page and you don't really know how you got on there, but you end up kind of going through their page, seeing what they do.
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B
Yeah.
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You don't necessarily. I don't know. Sometimes we're all a bit. We're all a bit of a scrooge about the follow button to follow unnecessarily. But, you know, we look. And I always say, you know, your social media is your portfolio of, you know, you and your life and the story you want to tell. And I remember thinking, like, well, initially I was thinking, oh, this is fake. You know, this must be. How would J. Lo know who I am? Like, she's in Hollywood. Hollywood, the land of dreams. And I'm in Leicester, which is not the land of dreams. You know, it's a very different experience. So I kind of thought, well, that's nice. And I kind of just left it. I was maybe too scared of it. And then they reached out again. And I remember thinking to myself, like, well, you know, I kind of came this hard. I turned. That I just turned 30. And I was like, I know everything. Like, I. I did it. I had a. I got a degree in color. Like, a color degree. I was an extension specialist. I, you know, learned editorial hair or I learned a fashion week. How I did the Sassoon courses. I kind of like anything. I felt like I didn't know. I was just wanting to be. I wanted to know it. So I was like, well, maybe it's kind of now or never. Like, maybe I do it, maybe I go to America. But I had like an apartment in the UK and in London, and it was like furnished apartment. I'd just done it. And I just thought, you know what? Fuck it. Are you allowed to swear?
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B
Yeah, of course, Please.
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But I Just thought it. I'm just gonna go. Like, if I don't do it now, I probably never will. Like, I could always find an excuse. I could always find, like, oh, I've got this apartment, or there's this. And I was like, maybe I just go. And I just. See. Let's just see if I could do it.
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B
What's the worst thing that could happen?
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Totally. Well, so I packed two suitcases. I left everything. I left my life. I left a whole life in London, and I traveled to the US and arrived very. You know, hopefully I really relate to, you know, that song by Miley Cyrus. What is it? Yeah. And it kind of did. I just kind of came with a dream and a hope and, like, hope the phone would ring.
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B
Yeah.
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And it didn't. Oh.
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B
Oh. That's not where I thought that statement was going.
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No, it didn't for a while. And, you know, it was a good sort of four months, and I'd spent my money, and I remember ringing my. My friend. I'd be in tears, and I'd be like, God, like, I don't know what I'm gonna do, like. And everything in America felt so big. Like, yeah, supermarkets were big. The roads were big. Everything's so much bigger in America. The food, the size of the food, everything was just bigger. And I was like, how am I ever gonna do this? And I eventually got a call from Christine Aguilera's team to do her hair for the Voice. A makeup artist recommended me. They knew my work with Rita. They knew I was in town. And I turned up to the Voice feeling, you know, terrified, because it's Christina Aguilera.
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B
Yeah, she's Christina Aguilera.
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She's iconic. You know, she's doing all this stuff. And I remember ringing my friend before I went because I was really nervous. And she's actually the mother of my kids. I keep saying she's my friend. She's actually the mother of my children. Yeah. And we've always had a close relationship.
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B
That's amazing.
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We'd separated at the time, but, you know, she was still my person. And, you know, I ring her, she's like, look, Chris, put it this way. If you don't make this work, you're gonna have to come home. Like, yeah, can't continue to live like this. I'm also a dad. I have two kids. I was supporting. You know, it's like a lot of responsibility and. And turned up at the Voice, and I was like, okay. I had these, like, four hairstyles in my head. That I could do. I'm like, okay, I'm going to do this or I could do that. Like, I'm prepared. So there's three hours for glam, usually. Yeah, it's a long process. So the makeup artist went into the trailer. I'm sitting outside. I'm like, okay, I'll just wait. Maybe she needs a minute. So an hour went by, and I'm like, cool. Like, I'll be ready to go in soon. And you were.
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B
You were supposed to have been in there.
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Well, no, like, I just was waiting outside. I really. What was going on. So you don't want to ask too much, you know. You know, you want to fit in. So another hour went by, and I'm like, oh, well, maybe. Well, maybe she's just. Her hair's properly done and it's nice and. Or maybe she has a stylist and I'm just a backup. I don't know. So then, 20 minutes before the live show. No, they asked me to go into the trailer, and I'm like, okay, well, like, obviously when I go in, this is going to have a hair. It's going to be nice, right? It's going to be nice, isn't it? Because there's only 20 minutes for a live show. No hair is going to be pretty. Probably just brush it and she'll go out. Like, what else going to do in 20 minutes? Like, God wouldn't do this.
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B
Right?
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Surely, you know, like, this is my one chance in the U.S. yeah. So I go in, and unfortunately, it wasn't done, and it was, you know, bleached. You know, it's bleached hair. You know, it takes a bit of work, you know, and get into place. And she's like, what do you want to do? And I was like, oh, I'd like to have three hours of. Anyway, whatever, Will. And I remember, like, thinking, you know, I think she'd look really good with this, like, Hollywood wave and a quick way of doing it, I think. And I could put a wig on and make it look really pretty. And the color was, like, slightly cooler. And I was like, I think it's already good. She had a bit of root at the time. I was like, it would be a good way of covering that up. So she was like, yeah, I don't like wigs. And I was like, of course you don't. Like, why would you like anything I do or say or I should just go home? And I was like, I remember, like, have you ever had that feeling where you feel like everything is Closing around you, and you just feel so small.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And then it was the strangest thing. It was like, I'm not a spiritual person, but it was like the clouds parted. And I remember just, like, hearing this voice in my head. It was like, if you don't make this work, like, you're gonna have to go home. Like, I remember thinking this. Like, I didn't come this far to come this far. Like, I know what I'm doing. Like, I know what I'm doing, you know? And I was like, you know what? You've never tried one of my wigs. And I was like, you know, so I got one out of the bag, and I put it on her head, and she was like, oh. And I said, what's the worst you can say no? And like, she was like. And the stylist kind of looked over, and she was like, I like it. And she was like, all right, well. And by that time was probably like, 12 minutes left before I show him burying all this hair and extensions under this wig. You know, she had loads of hair extensions. And so I'm like, putting it under this wig, and she runs off and goes on the show, and I'm like, oh, okay. Like, damn, the rest of America is going to have an opinion on this. And, you know, again, it was at the time where people comment. A lot of people watch these shows, and if something don't look right, they're on Twitter, they're on Instagram, and they're commenting. So I remember she. There was, like, a little break, and I was very nervous, and I remember sort of trying to stay out of the way, and she was. She was talking to someone, and she looked over at me, and she just went, everyone likes your wig. And then she turned back and carried on to making, like, talking the conversation over. And in that moment, I was like, I did it. You know, Okay, I did it. That was all I needed. And it was that one moment, and it's probably something that's gone with me throughout my whole career where I could have very easily had a very different story and not be sitting here now in that moment was really a make or break of, like, am I gonna just believe everything I've ever been told? Which is, you're not good enough. You know, you don't really know. And, you know, we all have that kind of imposter syndrome. And I'm like, oh, she knows I'm just Chris from Leicester. She knows that I'm that middle child. She knows that I'm dyslexic. You know, all these things wrap through your head, and it really takes a lot to sometimes just sort of ignore the noise and do it anyway, because a lot of the time, we create the noise in our head ourselves. It's our own shit. You know, it's a stuff that we've held onto as kids and have had a doubt, you know, kids at school or teachers that didn't understand. You know, like, you hold onto this and it kind of carries in it. It takes years to shed it. But in that moment, you know, unfortunately, I have, you know, someone great in my life who always believed in me and still does and was fundamental in, you know, me being. I mean, I wouldn't be here now if it wasn't for her, but. Cause she believed in me even when I didn't. Yeah, but it really was that moment of, like. It kind of was make or break. And I guess I made it, you know, in that moment, and I think I just then continued the journey, and it kind of was like a bit of a snowball effect. It did happen quite fast. I kind of worked with Christina, and then I worked with Katy Perry, and then I worked with Adele and JLo, and then Kim and Ariana. It kind of just rolled on quite fast, just because when there's a new guy in town, I'll try them. And it was just at a time where Ariana wanted a new hairstylist. And then, you know, I eventually got to work with JLO on the right project, and then someone recommended me to Kim because she wanted to try something. It was just kind of one of those, you know, And I guess if you go in and you're good and everyone's like, oh, it's because he's British. It's because he's got an accent, because he's tall, you know, in the day, that gets you so far. But if you're not good at what you do, like, you're not gonna get booked for you, but. Yeah, exactly. Most people can get in the door once, but they don't, you know, get caught.
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B
You never get the second date.
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Totally. So I think I absolutely. I put the work in. Like I said, most people, like, I'll take Kimballon. People don't know I've got a degree in color. They're like, oh, yeah. Oh, he doesn't know what he's doing. You know, we live in a world now where people love to criticize or find fault in something. But, you know, I definitely put my money where my mouth is because I do the work, you know, and If I'm. I don't believe I'm the best. I just believe I will always do my absolute best. And if I don't know, I'll find out a way how, you know, I love that.
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B
Yeah, I'd love to talk a little bit about that first experience. Obviously, you are oftentimes referred to as Kim Kardashian's hair guy. You are her one, and people love that. What was the first experience like? And were you nervous? Like, how has that become a part of your journey?
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A
You make it sound like I'm losing my virginity. No, how was your first experience? All right. Well, obviously, you know, Kim is amazing, and, you know, the Kardashians have an amazing following, and it's. I feel very flattered that people, you know, say you're Kim's hair guy. And I have so much respect. I feel so grateful to have seen what she's created. You know, I. When I met Kim, she was doing the show, and then I've seen her become a lawyer and, you know, create skims, and then, you know, now she's doing the acting. And, you know, she has always inspired me to re. You know, when people would love to say, oh, well, you know, what was the famous thing they used to say? Like, what do you. What do you even do? You know? But she's, like, amazing, you know, entrepreneur, businesswoman, you know, a mother. You know, she's a wonderful person to see blossom. And I've also. I've seen a very different side to her, you know, very sort of personal side. And, you know, I think she's a fantastic person. She's always been incredibly supportive, and she's really, you know, been an amazing in my career. So, I mean, I remember the first time I met Kim, I was, you know, again, kind of incredibly nervous. But I will say there's something about when I go to work and I do my job, I'm there to provide a service.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So there's always something that just kind of kicks in. It's like if I go on tv, if I'm going live on the Today show or the Drew Barrymore show, like, it doesn't matter the chaos that's going on before, how nervous you feel. There's something that always. And I'm not sure what it is, but there's something that just kind of kicks in when the camera goes or when I step into my job. I just kind of get into some as, like, a. I don't know, a role. Like, I'm there to perform a job, and I Want to always make that person look their best. But I think what's really important to me is that they feel their best. And it's a journey. And I kind of just get into it, you know, it's. I guess it's like a doctor, if you went to a doctor, you know, they kind of.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Will do what you'll do a consultation and then, you know what I mean, you'll go through the process. I don't know you. I'm not messing around. I am there to do a job and I've never really forgot that, you know, so although you, you get close and stuff, you know, I'm, I'm there to.
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B
You're always bringing your egg.
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A
Yeah, you know, Totally. And make that person look and feel the best. And it doesn't matter if it's Kim or Jennifer Lopez or whoever it is, or my mom or, you know, when I used to do cancer patients in the salon, because these women that I knew really well, like strong, confident women would come in and they've lost their hair and there would be a shadow of themselves. And I remember, you know, you kind of having to put it back together and put this person back together. Like I would literally have women say to me, like, I don't know who I am, like, I've lost my identity because they lost their hair and their eyebrows and they looked in the mirror and they didn't recognize this thing looking back at them. And, you know, that's how I started to work with wigs. Now I work with wigs. And you know, we create that as part of, you know, the world we live in as a celebrity. People know, they like to change their hair up and.
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B
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A
But back then it was just about necessity. Necessity? Yeah, and giving back someone that, giving their identity back. And you know, that's why I sort of plucked the wigs and that's How I got good at wigs, you know, just making them because at the time they were very like thick and bulky and we have something in the UK called the NHS which is like, basically the wigs would come from the hospital. You know, they weren't, you know, it wasn't like fine, beautiful hair. It was like thick, almost like plastic fake hair. Yeah. So you, you know, you'd want to make it look and feel the. Be the best and, you know, color techniques to make it look more natural. There's lots of little tricks you can do with wigs to make them look, you know, realistic. And these women would walk out like feeling that they could fight cancer. Like that's a super power to be able to make someone feel that. That's not just like, oh, I like my hair today. That actually can mental. A mental state of mind, I think, can do wonders, you know. And if it can make you literally feel like you can fight this horrible disease, then I was, I mean, that was all the payment I ever needed.
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B
Yeah, I love that. Well, speaking of payment, I do want to talk a little bit about being a stylist, being in a line of work that is very focused on gigs. So you mentioned when you moved to the us, the phone didn't ring for four months.
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A
So. Yeah.
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B
How did you manage your money knowing that what you do is so project based? So there might be a month where you're booked all 30, 31 days, you are raking it in, but then it's possible that the following month you don't get a single booking. How do you manage your money when that income is so inconsistent?
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A
I've always been. My business manager says to me now, she's like, I've never known anyone saved like you. And I feel like I don't save at all. I'm like. And the poor boy inside of me, like, I just went to Europe and I booked these flights.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Fortunately now, obviously I do a lot of travel, so a lot of it will be red eyes and stuff and a lot of the time it will be business class because it kind of needs to be because that will be your flight of sleep and then you land and go to work. So you get a bit used to that. So I was like going to Europe and I said, I fly economy, you know, I can't afford to it anyway. And we sit in economy and then people like taking pictures and they're like asking for autographs and stuff. But it's fine, I don't mind that stuff. I think it's always flattering when people want to, you know, they feel like they know you and you kind of forget a bit about that, but you forget the power of social media and then you forget that you're on the show or whatever. But it was like a killer job. I think it took me, like two days to get there because they didn't. The delayed flights and stuff. And I remember talking to my business manager. She was like, chris, you can't afford to. You know, you can go. At least premium economy, you can do it. But the poor boy inside, he still is always there.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I think I've always just been. I'm always so grateful for any opportunity and any experience, but I've always been, I think, very good with my money in terms of trying to save, because I always have responsibilities. Like, I have two kids and, you know, I've always had to provide for them. You know, I've had a mortgage since I was like, 19. I had kids when I was 19. As a. A whole kind of world I created and a whole world of responsibility I created along the way. And so I think I just always. I think. I don't know, I always. I had to make it work. It didn't matter if I would. I remember, like, when I moved, what was I doing? I remember, like, I cut Tom Jones's hair. I was cutting, like, reg. Like, just like friends hair. I would do influencers just to make money. Just anything I could do to make. I'm not precious, you know, I'm not like, oh, I only do.
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B
I'm the Chris Appleton.
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A
Yeah, I really don't give a fuck about that, you know, And I think that's a lot of people, you know, I'd much rather go to, you know, the beach and have fun with my friends or family and have, like, laughter and joy than sit into some bougie restaurant. Like, yeah, I've been fortunate enough to see some amazing things. But I think for me, what. What's really important is, like, you know, people and. Yeah, you know, life. Life's short. Life's really short. And it, like, you know, I'm about making memories. So I think really in terms of money and the financial side of it, it is important and it always has been. Because as a kid, I was poor, I couldn't afford. I remember being. I was like, God, this is like a therapy session. But, like, I was like seven, six or seven. And I remember England was always very gray and kind of rainy. I remember I was sitting in my bedroom. I shared a bedroom with, like, my two brothers. And I remember looking out, and I remember thinking, like, when I'm older, I don't want this life. Like, I wanted a life of color. Like, I wanted. I wanted to be able to, like, you know, have food in the window, food in the cupboards. Like, it was. We were poor, you know, and I didn't. I just. I just had aspirations to see a life of color. And I think I always just, you know, when I say color, it was like, I say, very gray and very dull. And I was like, I want to see the world. There's more out there. I know there's more out there than this small town. And I think sometimes I'm kind of dancing around. But that's one of the things that I wanted to do for my kids. And I think one of the best gifts you can give them is to get them outside of the hometown they were brought up in just to see what's out there. Because sometimes we become so conditioned about. Around the people around us or what we're told to do or. I think there's nothing better than getting out and experiencing a bit of life. Even if you go back, I think you come back more experienced. And, you know, as a dad, that's always something I wanted to do for my kids. So bringing them out to America two years ago was kind of a big moment and scary for them. I moved to America when I was 13. It was scary then, but they were, like, you know, 17 and 19, you know, and they. I'm incredibly proud of where they're at now and their journey. And again, as a dad, that's, like, so rewarding for me. But I think just always having that responsibility has always made me work hard. It doesn't matter what I have to do. If I have to, you know, work at a coffee shop, I'd work at a coffee shop. I do whatever to make ends meet. I'm not afraid of working hard.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I'm not afraid of.
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B
Is instilling financial literacy so that your kids can be better off than you. Really important to you.
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A
Yeah. And I think they've. They're. They're really grounded. My kids have seen the sacrifices I've made, like moving to America. You know, they sacrifice time with their dad, but they saw my passion and my drive and, you know, if, you know, if I was working 20 hour shifts, it was what I did, whatever I needed to do to make ends meet. It's funny, you know, when you have some success or you work with some people think. People think like, oh, you know, they've Got it. Good. But I'm 41 now. Like, I've worked my whole life to get to a point where I can, you know, have a lifestyle that, you know, I've worked for. And I think I've, with my kids, always tried to inspire them to follow their dreams and just, just work hard and, you know, you have to go above and beyond, I think, to be good at something. I don't. I think even if you have a natural ability, I think it really takes hard work and dedication to crack it. Because even like, even the, if you think about the best singers, sometimes the best singers like in the world, it doesn't mean they become pop stars. You know, you've been like seeing people in the street and they're singing and stuff. Wow, they've got an amazing voice. I wonder. But it's not always about. A lot of it is about drive and ambition and commitment and persistence. You know, it takes. People love to say no. Like I got no's all the time, you know. I remember being told like, you will never do the COVID of Vogue. Because I remember doing this sort of. I wrote this little book out of the dreams I always wanted to do. And one of them was to do the COVID of American Vogue. And people would laugh. You know, people actually go as far as to laugh and be like, you're a salon hairstylist. You wouldn't. Never. It's not awful. It's just life. It's just people. People sometimes are that way. And I remember being like, or I'll show you. And you know, I did the COVID of American Vogue like I think three years ago, I did the COVID of American Vogue twice in the same year with two of the most famous women in the world, you know. Now fortunately, I had the opportunity to do lots of different covers of Vogue. But you know, each and every time I'm like, damn, Remember when I was told that I would never get the ability to do this? And then in between, people don't see, but they don't see the grinding and the blood, sweat and tears you put into making that happen. They just see like, oh, he's lucky he got to do the COVID They don't see the work. And I guess it was always on, it was always on the mood board. It was always on my. And I think it's really important to have like, you know, a five year goal or ten year goal because before you know it, you get there. And I've never wanted to stand still. Even at where I'm at in my career now. It's evolved so much. Like, I don't. I want to evolve, I want to grow. I want new opportunities. And I think it's really important to stay excited, you know, about what you do. I never want to wake up and go to work and feel like, oh, I got this. I know what I'm doing. It's just not who I am.
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B
I'd love to know the next, I guess, iteration of Chris, obviously you started as a stylist, but now you are global ambassador for some of the biggest companies in the hair care space. Schwarzkopf Color. Wow. Shark. Like, how did that happen? Did they approach you? Did you approach them?
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A
You know, it's interesting. Interesting sort of stories. Like when I started working with Cola. Wow. No one knew who they were, right? No one. You know, they were known for being my stylist.
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B
This morning, used some, and we talked about you. We were like, totally, yes.
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A
And it makes me so much. I mean, people stop me in the streets all the time. I love your product. Like, oh, I was at the airport. She said, I've just had my suitcase emptied out. Cause it was overweight. It was all full of your products. And, you know, it brings me so much joy to see people loving then, you know, what we create. But Gail Federici, who owns Color Wow. Had seen many books. She looked at many, many different hairstylists to work with. And she just had a good eye. She created John Frieda. So John Frieda was huge. She sold it back in the day and in its peak and, you know, was incredibly successful from it. And then she decided to make Color Wow. And she was looking for an ambassador, and people used to send to people all the time. And I'm kind of repeating her story. So I'm not trying to. I'm not trying to blow my own horn, but she said she saw mine and she loved what I was doing. You know, do you remember when I was putting, like, the hoops in Ariana's hair or, you know, the different from pony or just different things that were.
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B
Like, you were doing stuff people weren't doing.
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A
Yeah, exactly. You know, and she was like, this guy's got something. You know, he's got something. So I remember we met, and I remember one of the first conversations I said to her, I said, you remind me of the woman from Devil Wears Product. She was very sort of stirred. She was a little standoffish. She was kind of testing me a little bit. But, you know, she, deep down, has a heart of gold. And, you know, our relationship is fantastic and over the years, it's been like kind of like a, a crazy family of different ideas. But I think the heart of it is it's a family. It's about people that want to create, you know, problem solution, solved problem. But, you know, we want to solve problems for women's haircare. So, you know, the products that we've created have again had blood, sweat and tears put into it. And when I first started, no one used it. But over the time now, you know, I feel like it's in every stylist kit. I see it in salons, I see it, you know, in people's bathrooms. It's so amazing to have been a part of creating that and different moments, you know, like the Dream Coat was at the time where I was creating Kim's, you know, long, straight, really glossy, shiny hair. And, you know, it kind of Dreamcoat is this magical product that kind of changes the texture of hair and people. How do you get it so shiny? And that was what I was using. So these moments kind of just, I don't know, it just kind of, it kind of works. But it takes what it's been like seven years. It doesn't happen overnight. And I remember at the time I was asked to go in contract with a companion, like a big, well known competitor who was very established and it would have definitely had a lot of glory attached to it. But I've always liked going for the underdog. I really love being a. Because I love being a part of it. If I'd have gone with that other contract, I can't say who it was, but like, if I'd have gone with them, I'd have just been a name of the. I'd just been a face of the brand. I wouldn't have been. I wouldn't have been part of the formulas. I wouldn't have been part because I'd be like, you know, we need this or this is what I need. This is what I use. This is what I want, you know, and we would kind of be together at creating these products and bringing the magic and creating the story which, you know, worked. And people sort of felt like they were a part of. They felt they were a part of the family. And I think that was really important to me, like the authenticity. It's how I work. I think it's how I've been good at what I do. It's because I, you know, it's not about just creating good hair. It's about making people genuinely feel good about themselves. When people genuinely. It doesn't matter If I cut someone's hair off shortly, and everyone loves it in the room, but that person doesn't, they're not gonna be able to go on a red carpet and stand tall, stand confidently. And I know that. So I think, like, really channeling into making people feel their best self never goes out of fashion. And I think that works with products and creating a brand as well.
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B
And now that you have your styling business, your ambassadorship, I mean, you're a celebrity in your own right. Like, what part of your business are you most excited about? And is it your biggest money maker?
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A
Yeah, I mean, I think I've kind of evolved into becoming an entrepreneur in my world. And like, in business, I think I'm really excited about edging, educating people about the journey and about, you know, and I want to give back and help people that were in similar situations to me and give them my knowledge.
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B
Yeah.
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A
In, you know, different forms of education. But also outside of that, I've really evolved and enjoyed involved in. Into doing tv. So I'm part of Drew Barrymore's team, and she again, it went on once and they liked me, and it worked. And now I'm, you know, part of the family.
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B
You always close on the second date, third date, fourth date.
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A
Yeah. Well, I just think I really. It's about connecting. You know, think about the Drew Barrymore show. Like, when I go on, I think it works. Cause people connect. People like to see what I'm doing, if I'm making someone over or if I'm talking about a fashion segment or if I'm talking about mental health or whatever it is. I talk about it from experience and passionately, and I think people relate to that. So I've really enjoyed going into the TV world and unscripted and sort of showing, I guess, a bit more about me and my journey, which people have seem to be more interested in now. They're like, how did you get to where. You got to tell me more. How You've got two kids. You know, I think people want to know more about it, and I guess. I guess that happens over the time. People. You. You know, slowly you forget. These numbers that follow you on Instagram, they're real people.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Even now when people, like, stop me in the street or whatever, like, you're Chris Hamilton, I'm like, oh, yeah, like, you think I'm that guy on social media, you know, like. Yeah, you forget that because in a way, you're. You just see these numbers. You forget this is real. People that are invested in your life and they're, they. They're along the journey with you. So, yeah, it's kind of. It's grown from just becoming a hairstylist to becoming an entrepreneur and giving back. I think that's my main goal, is to give back in different forms of inspiration and, you know, taking people along the way in the journey with me.
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B
You know, I love that. And I have a selfish question now.
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A
Yeah, be selfish.
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B
So there is a zillion things for hair now. There are, you know, the special shampoo, the conditioner, the clarifying thing, the toner, the, you know, the spray, the leave in the dry shampoo. There's a zillion things.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You are about to be stuck on a deserted island.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You get three things.
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A
What are you bringing most important? I would probably say the color. Wow. Color Security shampoo. Just because there is so many products out there. There's like thickening shampoos, there's anti frizz shampoos.
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B
Are they actually different?
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A
Yeah, they're all different, but they all tend to contain a lot of extra ingredients. So for me, the most important part is healthy hair, healthy scalp. Now, a lot of people experience hair loss. They say to me a lot, my hair density isn't as good as it used to be. And I think we put so much crap on our hair now. So many different chemicals and stuff. You know, we are savvy with using products. For me, the shampoo is the most important part because it should literally, you know, clean the hair and clean the scalp and that. A lot of other shampoos that promise to volumize or anti frizz, they leave ingredients behind on the hair and scalp and that can impede hair growth. Like, you know, you can. Basically the hair follicle that it goes through, it gets congealed with all this extra stuff.
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B
Like the gunk.
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A
Exactly. So what I love about the Color Security shampoo is it cleans the hair, cleans the scalp, so keeping it as healthy as possible, but also enabling the hair to grow through as full as possible. So the Color Security shampoo is really important for me. Dreamcoat is a game changer because it has that I. It's kind of my magic product. Product. I was part of creating it and, you know, I just love it on every texture of hair. It doesn't matter what texture of hair you get. I know I'm going to get a great result from it. And also it has that waterproof technology and it's interesting to see so many sort of people, different brands keep trying to copy it, but it's never the real thing, you know, because it's not waterproof or it doesn't smooth the hair, whatever. So that's definitely a favorite. And then I would probably take my. Well, I'm not gonna have electric. I was gonna say shock my hair dry, but I'm gonna have electric.
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B
No electricity.
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A
No electricity. Then I would probably take. Does this have to be hair? Is it only hair? Someone desert island. Is this just hair stuff?
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B
Okay, you can bring something else. I assumed you would wanna bring three hair things, but yeah, you can't say a boat.
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A
Maybe. Probably like my Mason and Pearson brush. It's always been my go to Mason and Pearson brush. It's like an old fashioned brush, but just great to brush hair out. Great to snatch hair back into a pony. It's just kind of like the brush.
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B
Whose hair are you snatching on this island?
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A
It's always someone. Trust me, as a hairstylist, when people know you do hair, someone always wants. Someone's always got a question. People's favorite thing is like, do you know what can I ask you? Like, if you could do anything to my hair, what would you do? Do you know? I'm like, girl.
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B
Okay, so if you could do anything to my. Ha.
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A
What would you say? That's literally why I think doctors get asked that all the time as well. Like, can I just ask you a quick question? I got this thing on my toe and I. I always think every time I was like, do I know any doctors? Yeah, they're my free things.
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B
I love that.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Okay, so we do have a quick lightning round.
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A
Okay.
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B
Hair trends, rich or ditch?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Okay. Balayage.
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A
Rich.
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B
Oh, we love a balayage.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Why?
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A
I just love like the low maintenance of it. And I think if it's done in like a maybe not heavy balance, like a light balance, but I like that kind of sun kissed effect you can get. And it's great for people that don't want maintenance.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know, they want to keep their incorporation of their natural color.
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B
Okay.
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A
Or maybe it just doesn't suit them all over. Do you know what I mean? Like they want some lightness, but all over it would kind of wash them out. I think it's a nice way of kind of if someone that doesn't want to commit too much.
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B
Goldilocks. Okay. Wolf cuts.
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A
Rich. I think they're hot. And layers are really in trend. I like hair that moves.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I like a wolf cut.
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B
Bobs.
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A
I like bobs.
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B
You do?
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A
Yeah, I love a bob. Anna Winter is iconic.
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B
Okay. I don't. Maybe it's cause I have Anna Winter.
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A
Would not be Anna Winter without that haircut.
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B
I feel like I have coconut hair. Childhood bob trauma.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So, okay.
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A
A nice little light bob can be so, like, chic.
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B
Okay. Super light. Bleach blonde.
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A
Obviously.
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B
Rich. I mean, look at.
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A
Look at the icons throughout the year. Madonna, Marilyn Monroe. Like, it's just iconic Marilyn Monroe. Imagine if she had brown hair.
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B
I don't know.
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A
It's like she probably wouldn't have been Marilyn Monroe. I don't know. It's just something very iconic. And it's probably one of the most outlandish colors you can do. It's pushes the hair to the maximum of what it can do, but when done well, it can just be so iconic, you know?
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B
Okay. Peekaboo color strands.
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A
What the hell is that?
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B
It's like when you've got, like the two bang things that are a different color than the rest of your hair.
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A
But like a money piece.
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B
What about money piece?
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A
Money piece is like the two pieces at the front, but they tend to be like, you know, if you've got blonde highlights, then you have the bigger chunks at the front that frame the face.
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B
No, like, if you're like a brunette and then these two are just blonde.
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A
Oh, very ninth Is maybe ditch.
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B
Okay, we're ditching that. Yeah, the feather or iridescent confetti. Like clip in things that you see.
- [48:04]
A
Oh, kind of ditch.
- [48:05]
B
I know we don't like that.
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A
I like tinsel, right? Yeah, yeah, it's all right.
- [48:08]
B
Christmas, but okay. And then the full shave on women. Like, I'm talking like 2004. Britney.
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A
Rich. Go for it, Rich. I mean, I think it's about expressing yourself. I think it doesn't. To me, it's about hair is identity, and it's however people relate to that. So I think it's the best way to describe yourself and how you want to present. So. Yeah, Rich.
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B
Okay. I love that. And we only have one final question.
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A
Okay.
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B
But if you were to close your eyes and envision the dream life for Chris Appleton in five years, what do you have then that you don't have now?
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A
I would just want to maintain that, you know, my family is healthy and that I have the opportunity to enjoy my time with them and, you know, they are happy. I think the money or success, like, it comes and goes. I think I'm really aware of that. I think I always have been. But I think when you come from having not a lot, you know, anything else is a bonus. But the really Important part, I think, for me is like, having my family that I love and I.
- [49:30]
B
You're such a big softie on the inside.
- [49:34]
A
Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I'm just. I just. I know that life's really short and, you know, we take it for granted. My mom got cancer. You know, like I said, I'm one of five kids. My mom's like the heart of the. Of the family. And, you know, as a kid, you know, like, one day your parents are probably going to die, but you don't really think about it. No one really talks about it.
- [49:53]
B
Yeah.
- [49:53]
A
And when she got cancer, I remember being in Miami and it was so weird. I remember looking at my phone and my dad said, can you call me? And I just knew what he was going to say. It was the weirdest thing. And I remember being. He told me, like, she had esophagus cancer. And if you Google esophagus cancer, it basically says you're going to die. He said it's really sad. Kim's dad died of esophagus cancer, so I kind of knew a bit about it. It. And I remember thinking to myself, like, oh, my God, it's that time. And it wouldn't not make sense. I'm like, a bit older now. There, A bit older. Like, you think that life's just going to go on forever.
- [50:23]
B
Yeah.
- [50:24]
A
It isn't. And you can't take the money with you. You can't. You know what I mean? Like, people will remember you for a bit and then whatever you. To me, the most important thing is just like, happiness and the people around me being, you know, close and that belly laughter. Like, there's nothing that beats that. No money in the world.
- [50:40]
B
So, yeah, I absolutely love that. Please tell everyone where they can find you.
- [50:46]
A
Where can you find me? Well, what, you want my home address? No. Oh, my gosh.
- [50:53]
B
Like, you're.
- [50:53]
A
Babe, I don't really want that.
- [50:55]
B
Your social channels, what they should check out.
- [50:58]
A
My social channel is Chris Appleton1 and that's on Instagram, TikTok. I think it's the same Chris Appleton1. And you can. Yeah, check me out there and say hi.
- [51:09]
B
Amazing. Love that. Thank you so much for being here.
- [51:11]
A
My God, it's been a pleasure. Thank you so much for having me. I have a question for you.
- [51:14]
B
Yeah.
- [51:15]
A
Are you rich? Because. Rich. Best friend.
- [51:17]
B
Yes, of course.
- [51:18]
A
Oh, good. Rich in what way?
- [51:19]
B
I feel like when I was in my early 20s, I thought rich meant having the designer bag and the showy things, but now I feel like rich for me means optionality and being able to buy back my time so that I can choose in the same way you said to spend time with my now husband to be able to go on a trip and treat my parents.
- [51:42]
A
And how amazing is that feeling?
- [51:44]
B
It's oh, I sent them on an all expenses paid trip for their 30th wedding anniversary.
- [51:49]
A
Best feeling is to be able to share it. Yeah, I did that to my parents and my parents haven't even. Like if they stay in a hotel, they wouldn't even, they would never even order room service. They may have done that because you know, they never.
- [51:59]
B
And room service when you're tired, in the robe, in the bed is the best.
- [52:03]
A
Totally the best. Oh, here's to that.
- [52:07]
B
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