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Episode: Sophia Bush on Pay Gaps, Podcasting Money, and Getting Rich While Staying True to Herself

Date: November 12, 2025
Host: Vivian Tu
Guest: Sophia Bush

Episode Overview

In this lively and candid conversation, Vivian Tu sits down with actress, activist, entrepreneur, and podcaster Sophia Bush live at Tech Futures. The episode dives deep into the uncomfortable realities of wealth, pay inequality in Hollywood, navigating personal values while building wealth, and the power of transparency among women about money. Sophia shares not just numbers, but stories, hard-earned lessons, and actionable advice, all while keeping it real and unapologetically herself.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sophia’s Early Money Story & Hollywood’s Brutal Pay Realities

• Sophia’s first acting gigs and lack of early financial guidance:

  • "When you start acting, you're going on hundreds of auditions a month. You hear no 99% of the time. ... You can't leave or ask for a raise because you're on a six [year] deal." (Sophia, [00:00]; repeated strongly, [10:10])
  • "No. Girl, you could have used me. Honey, I really wish you had been around. I had not heard of compounding interest until about four years ago." (Sophia, [06:15])

• How much did Sophia actually make on One Tree Hill?

  • After all deductions, Sophia was taking home just about $3,000 per episode.
  • "When you sign a TV contract, you sign a contract for six years, they can cancel your show at any time, but you can't leave or ask for a raise because you're on a six for six." (Sophia, [09:53])
  • No meaningful streaming residuals: "Our show is syndicated on streaming, which means the studio that owns the show makes all the rituals and we don't." (Sophia, [10:48])

• Pay gap realities:

  • "It was literally year 20 [in the industry] was the first time I got paid equally to my male costar." (Sophia, [11:51])

2. Salary Negotiation and Changing the System

• Sophia’s approach as a producer:

  • “It's kind of like a seesaw. You have to know your worth and also understand how to make the best product... Once I started producing... I trailed my producers around asking them questions... I want to understand every single aspect.” (Sophia, [12:44])

• Solidarity over ego:

  • "On projects, I've taken less money than I was told I could earn so that the women I'm working with can all be paid equally. ... It creates a very different experience in the workplace." (Sophia, [13:58])
  • Example: Co-owning the podcast Drama Queens equally with her co-hosts despite pressure to claim sole creator status.

• Transparency about pay:

  • “It took me 20 years to get my location housing covered by a studio. 20 years. Ask for it now! ... I don't think it changes unless we change it." (Sophia, [19:06])
  • “Women are particularly good at [paying it forward]. … Why not take the whisper networks onto social media and tell everybody the tea.” (Sophia, [20:41])

3. Diversifying Income: Beyond Acting

• Embracing a multi-hyphenate career:

  • “I wish I had understood the excitement of a multi-hyphenate career earlier... Following curiosity makes me a good artist. … Turns out that makes me a good entrepreneur.” (Sophia, [22:06])

• Angel investing and starting a VC fund:

  • Sophia and her business partner Nia began by making small angel investments; "maybe a man in my industry could write a quarter of a million dollar check...I could only afford to write a $10,000 check, but let me try to write two or three of those in a year." ([23:42])

4. Money, Passion, and Income Breakdown

• What’s most lucrative vs. most fulfilling?
  • “An interview podcast about how we human is maybe not the most profitable—but it’s the thing I love most.” (Sophia, [26:19])
  • Acting remains a financial anchor, but speaking engagements and strategic partnerships fund her activism: “What corporation...can I get to pay me for something so I can do these other five things for free for people who can't?” (Sophia, [28:45])

5. Investing and Building a Venture Fund

• Barriers for women in VC:
  • Vivian notes: “Less than 2% of all VC funds go to women teams.” ([32:17])
  • Sophia and Nia’s journey in founding Union Heritage VC:
    • "You think you're angels...you're investors...You're so much more skilled at this than you give yourselves credit for." — recounted wisdom from Nia's (Sophia’s partner’s) father. ([34:08])
    • Fund focus on Michigan—"frankly, it helps us de-risk our investments as well. So it's the do good and do well thesis in action." ([35:52])

6. Activism, Tech, and Guardrails for the Future

• Sophia’s activism roots:

  • Started with the environment, then saw how inequalities are interwoven: “Once you pull on the thread, you cannot escape immediately learning about gender disparity, what women go through, racial disparities… you realize unless you are a rich, straight, CIS white man, you are already placed so far behind.” ([38:11])

• Tech for good vs. tech’s harms:

  • “Tech is absolutely a part of [systemic change]. ... What worries me more ... is the abuse we already see happening because of this technology.” (Sophia, [43:15])
  • Actions taken: investing in unbiased AI, producing Another Body documentary exposing deepfake abuse, and legislative advocacy against digital violence.

• Guardrails for the future:

  • “We have to have guardrails while we expand...you would never build a bridge without guardrails.” (Sophia, [45:07])

7. Political Pep Talk & Power in Numbers

• On legislative action and staying motivated:
  • “We are still winning. People are still standing up...They do get scared... We are more powerful than we know.” (Sophia, [47:22-49:02])
  • “Go hyper local. Figure out who in your zip code is making a difference... We can resist so powerfully that we can move behemoth corporations again in 48 hours.” (Sophia, [50:13])

8. Personal Life & Money in a Queer Relationship

• On coming out and finding true belonging:

  • “For the first time, I felt like I could breathe… I realized, oh, nobody else gets to tell me what I can or can’t say about myself." (Sophia, [51:27–53:19])
  • On dating USWNT legend Ashlyn Harris: “I just happened to, like, start dating one of the hottest lesbians in the game… I have to get ready to show up and look cute, I wake up like a bridge troll, and she just wakes up like that.” (Sophia, [53:38-54:09])

• Money talks in a queer, power-couple household:

  • “First of all, there's no underground rage from a partner when they, like, land the bad bitch they say they wanted, and then they're mad at her for her career. I don't have that anymore.” (Sophia, [54:21])
  • Both partners have faced historic gender-based underpayment, and talk openly about money: “We talk about it in a really healthy way... I've never felt safer.” ([54:38])

9. Rapid-Fire Wisdom & Money Advice

• Best financial advice ever received:
  • “Compounding interest. Start putting money away, guys. I don’t care if it’s like, ten bucks a month! Do it.” (Sophia, [56:02])
• Money habit Sophia swears by:
  • “Hire the best accountant you can afford. ... They’ll pay for themselves.” (Sophia, [56:30])
• Biggest splurge/best purchase:
  • Her Land Rover Defender, a childhood dream: “It's like the best thing I've ever spent money on.” (Sophia, [57:46])

Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• “It took me 20 years in this industry ... year 20 was the first time I got paid equally to my male costar.”
  — Sophia Bush ([11:51])

• “If women go into higher and higher levels of professionalism acting like men, we're just going to do the same shit men have been doing to us to everybody else forever. And that's not a great way to operate.”
  — Sophia Bush ([14:04])

• “We have to either take leadership on change or we have to stop complaining about how things aren’t changing.”
  — Sophia Bush ([15:26])

• “You have to get a little uncomfortable to change the thing that keeps so many people in discomfort, in dis-ease.”
  — Sophia Bush ([18:53])

• "Start investing. ... Compounding interest. Start putting money away, guys. I don’t care if it’s like ten bucks a month! Do it."
  — Sophia Bush ([56:02])

• "We can be exhausted, we can be pissed, we can tell the truth, but we’re not going to stop."
  — Sophia Bush ([50:36])

Major Segments & Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment | |--------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | [00:00-04:28]| Sophia’s early acting experiences; icebreaker on dumbest purchases | | [04:28-12:09]| Financial lessons, pay on One Tree Hill, industry changes, pay gap | | [12:09-16:45]| Salary negotiation, producing, equitable practices | | [16:45-21:43]| Transparency, mentor networks, whisper networks | | [21:43-25:42]| Diversifying income—producing, podcasting, investing | | [25:42-28:45]| Income sources—what’s lucrative vs. what’s fulfilling | | [32:17-37:33]| Venture capital, investing in women/underserved markets, social impact| | [37:33-46:59]| Activism, interconnected causes, tech for good and harms | | [46:59-53:19]| Political call-to-action, pep talk, resilience | | [51:20-55:39]| Coming out, love and money in queer relationships | | [55:49-58:35]| Rapid-fire money advice & favorite purchases | | [58:44-end] | Looking ahead, closing thoughts |

Final Thoughts & Takeaways

• Transparency and solidarity are transformative. Sophia’s advocacy for open money conversations among women is a call to action for listeners to do the same.
• Knowledge is power—but so is heart. Sophia combines fierce negotiation and business acumen with a relentless commitment to fairness and joy.
• Stay engaged, stay delighted. Despite industry hardships, activism burnout, or personal setbacks, Sophia’s parting wisdom rings out: “Find your delight where you can because that's going to be the thing that really carries you through.” ([60:12])

For more, follow Sophia Bush on social media and listen to her podcasts: Work in Progress and Drama Queens. And, of course, follow Vivian Tu (@YourRichBFF) for more financial know-how and keep tuning in to Networth and Chill!