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New Books Network – Emily Hund, "The Influencer Industry: The Quest for Authenticity on Social Media" (Princeton UP, 2023)
Date: January 19, 2026
Host: Mark Clovis
Guest: Emily Hund

Episode Overview

This episode features a conversation between host Mark Clovis and Emily Hund, author of The Influencer Industry: The Quest for Authenticity on Social Media. Hund takes listeners through the historical emergence, rapid professionalization, and social complexities of digital influencers, focusing particularly on how the search for "authenticity" became commodified. The interview traces the industry’s roots from earlier forms of influence to its multi-layered economic, technological, and cultural impact today, examining who benefits, who gets left behind, and the societal costs of building brands—and livelihoods—on the promise of realness.

Key Topics & Insights

1. Emily Hund’s Background & Motivation

• [00:33]
  • Hund is a research affiliate at UPenn's Annenberg School for Communication, Center on Digital Culture and Society.
  • Previous experience in publishing exposed her to early influencers and drove her to academic research on the topic.
  • The rise and impact of digital creators led her from a PhD to this in-depth book on the influencer industry.

2. The Deep Roots of Influence

• [02:06]
  • Influence has fascinated thinkers for centuries.
  • Early 20th century marked a shift from philosophical musings to social scientific study, prompted by the rise of advertising, propaganda concerns (e.g., fascism), and the dawn of sociology.
  • Later developments: personal branding trends, the emergence of the internet, and self-publishing paved the way.
  • The 2008 recession was a catalyst: "the last straw" that propelled many onto digital platforms, seeking autonomy and alternative income.

“The recession really is … the last straw … that drove so many people online. And … then we see this rise of the digital influencer.”
— Emily Hund [05:45]

3. Defining the Influencer Industry

• [07:07]
  • Influencer industry differs from older forms of influence (like traditional advertising) by treating influence itself as a measurable and tradable commodity.
  • Early attempts to assign value to "influence" (followers, engagement metrics) drove its evolution into a distinct industry.
  • Brands and marketers began viewing influencers as assets with quantifiable financial worth.

“What makes the influencer industry distinct is the fact that they are using influence as the sort of commodity they're trading on.”
— Emily Hund [07:28]

4. Emergence and Expansion Post-Recession

• [10:07]
  • Early bloggers were a small group before 2008; the recession and rise of user-friendly platforms (Blogger, Twitter, YouTube, Instagram) led to mass adoption.
  • Many entered as crisis mitigation: layoffs and underemployment prompted people to showcase expertise or passions online.
  • Surprise success stories: bloggers amassed audiences, leading brands to seek them out.
  • Growth of influencer marketing agencies, brokering deals and offering measurement/selection tools.
  • By 2010-2011, influencer culture became integrated into cultural sectors (e.g., fashion, magazines), and attracted significant investments.

“Almost without fail … every single interviewee … pointed back to the recession.”
— Emily Hund [12:23]

5. The Challenge of Authenticity

• [18:46]
  • Early audiences valued influencers' perceived authenticity—a contrast to elitist traditional media.
  • As influencing became a livelihood, the challenge shifted to maintaining an “authentic” persona amid commercial pressures.
  • Authenticity itself became industrialized, tied directly to market value.

“There’s this long, long history … of ideas of influence and how they've changed over time.”
— Emily Hund [03:52]

“They like you because you're authentic. And how do you maintain that?”
— Emily Hund [18:54]

6. Backlash and Regulation

• [22:30]
  • By the mid-to-late 2010s, saturation and “Instagrammable” sameness generated audience fatigue.
  • Public awareness about undisclosed sponsorships sparked regulatory involvement: FTC warning letters (e.g., to Kim Kardashian).
  • Influencer-led scandals (e.g., Essena O’Neill’s “this is all fake” confession; the infamous Fyre Festival) exposed hidden industry mechanics.
  • Marked a turning point in public scrutiny of the influencer world.

“There is a whole … machine going on behind this content.”
— Emily Hund [25:55]

7. Legacy Industries Adapt

• [29:30]
  • Advertisers implemented stricter guidelines: seeking "authentic" (i.e., non-purchased) audiences, adding measurement tools (including AI).
  • Influencers responded with a new genre of “messy” or “behind-the-scenes” content, intended to signal realness.
  • Instagram Stories and similar features fueled this shift.
  • Even “unscripted” content remains constructed within industry boundaries.

“This is all still happening within the…industrially set boundaries of acceptable forms of authenticity.”
— Emily Hund [31:22]

8. Social Consciousness & “Woke” Branding

• [33:54]
  • Late 2010s to 2020: trend toward “socially conscious consumption” (e.g., brands like Warby Parker).
  • 2020 events (pandemic, Black Lives Matter, US election) made it untenable for influencers to be apolitical.
  • Audiences demanded statements and action.
  • Brands and creators navigated new expectations around values, activism, and accountability.

“Up until the late 2000 and tens, there was pretty much an expectation that influencers be apolitical ... And then … things started to change and they … started to finally address … more socially conscious subjects.”
— Emily Hund [36:34]

9. The Hidden Costs & Precarity

• [39:57]
  • Influencers pay a psychological and emotional cost: loss of privacy, vulnerability, audience backlash, and sometimes frightening or intrusive behavior from followers.
  • Power remains concentrated with platforms (e.g., Meta) that can unilaterally impact careers through algorithm or policy changes.
  • Industry perpetuates broader societal inequalities (racial, gender, economic).

“It is a difficult thing to be an influencer because you are sort of expected to share your whole self. And you're continually putting yourself up for backlash...”
— Emily Hund [41:00]

• Practices once restricted to influencers now bleed into users’ behavior everywhere—raising the risk of misinformation, manipulation by political groups, and the blurring of personal and public spheres.

“We're all sort of being incentivized and encouraged in various ways to behave more like influencers. And that invites even more possibilities for misinformation to spread.”
— Emily Hund [47:17]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the shift towards measuring influence:

  “They are literally trying to measure. … we can literally say they are this influential and we can assign a value to their influence and then … give it financial value.” — Emily Hund [07:47]

• Essena O’Neill's break with influencing:

  “She posted these YouTube videos saying, 'this is all fake, this is all a lie, I'm miserable…'” — Emily Hund [24:25]

• On the Fyre Festival scandal’s impact:

  “…this total public meltdown … brought to public attention that … there is a whole … lot of other people involved… a whole machine going on behind this content…” — Emily Hund [25:48]

• On the cost of authenticity:

  “Especially under this guise of like, I'm being, I'm being authentic. There's a lot of vulnerability that comes with that.” — Emily Hund [43:34]

• On anxiety about platform power:

  “Both influencers and brands…feel that everything can be taken away from them overnight if Meta decides they're going to change the algorithm…” — Emily Hund [45:04]

Important Timestamps

• Emily’s background: [00:33]
• Influence as a historical concept: [02:06]
• Rise of personal branding & technological changes: [03:35]
• Impact of the 2008 recession: [05:20]
• How influencers differ from traditional marketing: [07:07]
• Early emergence and career impact stories: [10:07]
• Commodifying authenticity: [18:46]
• Backlash, scandals, and regulation: [22:30]
• Industry and influencers adapt to criticism: [29:30]
• Emergence of social consciousness: [33:54]
• Costs and drawbacks of influencing: [39:57]
• Risks of 'everyone's an influencer': [47:17]

Closing Remarks

Emily Hund concludes by noting her ongoing commitment to studying the evolving influencer industry, particularly the ways in which influencer behaviors now permeate all users’ online activities—raising fresh questions about power, authenticity, and the potential for manipulation or misinformation.

For further reading:
The Influencer Industry: The Quest for Authenticity on Social Media, Emily Hund (Princeton University Press, 2023)