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New Books Network – New Books in South Asian Studies
Episode: Matthew Bowser, "Containing Decolonization: British Imperialism and the Politics of Race in Late Colonial Burma"
Date: September 4, 2025
Host: [Unstated, but referred to as "C" in transcript]
Guest: Dr. Matthew Bowser
Book: Containing Decolonization: British Imperialism and the Politics of Race in Late Colonial Burma (Manchester University Press, 2025)

Episode Overview

This episode features Dr. Matthew Bowser, Assistant Professor of Asian History at Alabama A&M University, discussing his newly released book Containing Decolonization: British Imperialism and the Politics of Race in Late Colonial Burma. The discussion explores how British imperial policies, local politics, and the specter of decolonization interacted to produce enduring structures of ethnonationalism and racial exclusion in Burma (present-day Myanmar)—with reverberations still felt today.

Bowser’s research interrogates the genesis of ethno-nationalism in Burma, the economic and political upheaval of the late colonial period, and the ways British authorities sought to "contain" the revolutionary energy of decolonization by backing exclusionary, anti-communist, and racist actors.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Origins of the Project

• (02:57–05:07) Bowser explains his entry into the subject, influenced by growing up during the rise of ethnonationalist politics in the US and the onset of the Rohingya crisis in Myanmar (2016). Inspired by his mentor, Dr. Heather Street Salter, he became interested in the intersections of racism, imperialism, and capitalism in the modern world.
  • “There's a relationship between racism, imperialism, capitalism, all of these big structures that I wanted to see how they were interconnected through the lens of imperialism.” – Bowser [03:17]

2. Framing the Book: Racial Regimes and Conflicts

• (06:22–09:23) The opening juxtaposes religious/ethnic conflicts 80 years apart, connecting colonial constructs of indigeneity and religion to later events like the Rohingya crisis.
  • Bowser argues ethno-nationalist ideology in Burma originated under colonialism, positioning "Indians" as outsiders while the Bamar majority came to define "indigeneity" and being Buddhist as legitimate national identity.
  • “My argument, basically...is that this ideology emerged during the colonial period as a response to colonialism and then has kind of continued to exist...” – Bowser [07:57]

3. Challenging the "Inevitable" Narrative

• (10:09–13:39) Bowser challenges traditional "divide and rule" explanations and the supposedly "natural" emergence of ethnic conflict.
  • He shows early Burmese and Indian nationalist movements worked together.
  • Racial tensions only became central during economic crisis (1930s) and as responses deliberately fostered by ethnonationalist elites, not an automatic result of difference.
  • “They are creating those concerns. Right? They're saying, look at this flood of migrants...Taking your jobs, they're ruining your life, they're the cause of all your problems.” – Bowser [12:12]

4. Chronological Account: From Cosmopolitanism to Partition

• (14:25–18:52)
  • In 1929, Burmese and Indian nationalists had a unified front against the British, focusing on economic justice and unionization.
  • The British Indian Statutory Commission’s visit led to a distorted view of Burmese opposition to Indians because only ethnonationalists engaged with the process.
  • “My argument there right from the start is we're amplifying the ethno nationalists here. They're actually not a majority, but they're the only people the British are speaking to.” – Bowser [18:36]
  • Evidence: 1932 legislative election – anti-separationists "won in a landslide," contradicting the commission's findings.

5. Rise of Racial Nationalist Politics

• (20:33–24:37)
  • Discussion of U Saw and the Myochit (Race Love) Party.
  • U Saw positioned himself as a revolutionary but focused on removing Indian migrants (racially defined) rather than transforming economic structures.
  • Contrasts with other political camps: Social Democrats (e.g., Dr. Ba Maw), Socialists and Communists (the Thakins).
  • “His point of view was that what better way to organize the public than to get the foreigners out of our country? And by that he meant the British, but he mainly meant the Indians.” – Bowser [21:10]

6. Global Context of the 1930s Ethnonationalist Wave

• (27:14–32:21)
  • Bowser places the rise of Burmese ethnonationalism into a comparative global context, influenced by scholarship from Julia Adne Thomas et al.
  • He adopts and adapts Gramsci's distinction between “active” (true anti-elite revolutions) and “passive” (ethnonationalist outlets for mass discontent) revolution:
    • “Nationalism, ethnonationalism in particular seems to have a symbiotic relationship with capitalism...it provides an exhaust valve essentially for that revolutionary energy...” – Bowser [29:03]
    • British authorities preferred and supported such “passive revolutions” over socialist/communist ones.

7. 1938 Anti-Indian Pogrom and its Aftermath

• (32:21–39:03)
  • A manufactured religious controversy was used to spark mass anti-Indian violence in Rangoon. The violence is best understood not as “inevitable” communal tension but as organized by political interests.
  • British authorities did little as long as economic operations were not interrupted; the pogrom and its memory mobilized future exclusionary movements.
  • “You know, we've seen how this can happen with politics, where it gets into the media at this point. That means the physical press, right? ...this huge riot breaks out throughout the city and it becomes a pogrom, basically, where Indians need to flee, you know, hide in their homes, kind of try to stay safe however they can.” – Bowser [35:46]

8. British Priorities and the Containment of Decolonization

• (39:16–41:11)
  • Bowser argues that British authorities cared chiefly about maintaining economic extraction and geopolitical influence, not about communal harmony or real political transformation.

9. Early 1940s: Ascendancy of U Saw and Ethnonationalist Repression

• (41:11–46:19)
  • In the build-up to WWII, the U Saw government gained power (with British favor), focusing on suppressing leftist, labor, and anti-colonial movements.
  • Bowser describes this as the heart of his book’s title: Containing Decolonization.
  • “The British focus...was...making sure that their system stays in place after their demise. They know they're on the way out.” – Bowser [41:22]

10. World War II: Japanese Occupation and Reversed Fortunes

• (46:59–51:52)
  • U Saw was imprisoned after trying to conspire with the Japanese. The Thakins and Aung San played a complex role as both resistance leaders and Japanese collaborators.
  • Many leftists supported the anti-fascist struggle, often cooperating with the British and Americans as the lesser evil.

11. Aftermath: The British Try, and Fail, to Secure Their Preferred Postcolonial Order

• (51:52–57:55)
  • Postwar, the anti-fascist left emerged as the most popular force in Burma (the Anti-Fascist People's Freedom League [AFPFL] led by Aung San).
  • The British repeatedly tried to rehabilitate and empower U Saw and the ethnonationalists to resist the communists, ultimately failing due to their lack of popular legitimacy.
  • The assassination of Aung San in 1947 (by U Saw, with evidence of British complicity at the “middle” level) fatally destabilized Burma’s anti-fascist coalition.

12. Big Picture: British Pattern of Empowering Ethnonationalists

• (58:34–59:57)
  • Bowser outlines his next research plans: extending this analysis to other British colonies (Malaya, Singapore, and beyond), emphasizing how British authorities empowered racist ethnonationalist movements to “contain” (or sabotage) truly revolutionary, anti-imperialist change.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the invention of "natural" ethnic conflict:
  “I think that's what most scholars in the past kind of assumed, that it's like, oh, well, of course they're going to come into conflict because they're different and obviously different. Right. And I would say no...politics and ethnonationalists love to depict it that way...when in reality they are creating those concerns.” – Bowser [12:09]

• On British motives during decolonization:
  “The British focus...was...making sure that their system stays in place after their demise. They know they're on the way out. They know that they, you know, they have basically an independent government underneath them now. And so they know that this is the beginning of the end for them, especially as World War II begins.” – Bowser [41:22]

• On the 1938 Pogrom as ethnonationalist strategy:
  “This huge riot breaks out throughout the city and it becomes a pogrom, basically, where Indians need to flee, you know, hide in their homes, kind of try to stay safe however they can.” – Bowser [35:46]

• On the relationship between ethnonationalism and capitalism:
  “When capitalist economics are driving populations to the point of revolution...you could have a socialist communist revolution...what we see in this moment is the alternative is ethno nationalism that we can uplift the racial in group as opposed to all other groups, and that this provides an exhaust valve essentially for that revolutionary energy...” – Bowser [29:03]

• On British backing for anti-communist racists across empire:
  “Their motive there is the same, which is that...if we push the ethno nationalists into power, we can defeat the communists. Right. That's, that's the story again and again and again.” – Bowser [58:54]

Timestamps for Major Segments

| Segment/Topic | Timestamp | |----------------------------------------------------|----------------| | Introduction and Bowser’s background | 01:37–05:07 | | Framing issues of race and religion in Burma | 06:22–09:23 | | Challenging inevitability of ethnic conflict | 10:09–13:39 | | From cosmopolitan front to partition (1929–32) | 14:25–18:52 | | Rise of U Saw/Myocheit and racial politics | 20:33–24:37 | | Global 1930s: Fascism, Ethnonationalism, Gramsci | 27:14–32:21 | | 1938 anti-Indian pogrom and its legacy | 32:21–39:03 | | British motives: economic extraction first | 39:16–41:11 | | U Saw’s government and prewar suppression | 41:11–46:19 | | World War II: occupation, resistance, shifting sides| 46:59–51:52 | | Postwar power struggle, Aung San's assassination | 51:52–57:55 | | Extending the research and broader implications | 58:34–59:57 |

Tone, Style & Other Observations

• Bowser’s tone throughout is scholarly but forthright, weaving analysis with sweeping narratives, consistently foregrounding structures and actors without lapsing into determinism.
• Memorable explanations clarify complex phenomena (e.g., the focus on “passive revolution” as a safety valve for capitalist systems, and the careful distinction between economic, ethnic, and religious conflict).
• The host and Bowser’s dynamic makes the episode both accessible and rich for specialists, with honesty about the limits of the research (e.g., “I can't get too much into it because I'm already going on tangents here...” [11:57]).

Conclusion

Dr. Matthew Bowser’s Containing Decolonization offers a provocative, detailed account of how the British colonial government in Burma not only fomented but empowered and relied on ethno-nationalist forces to forestall revolutionary transformations during decolonization—at catastrophic cost to the possibilities for pluralism and justice in post-independence Myanmar.

Look out for Bowser’s next project on the broader Southeast Asian and imperial pattern of empowering racist anti-communists to guard the postwar capitalist order.