Jeff Stoutland on Leaving Philly, Evaluating Lineman & A Legendary Eagles Roundtable | Bonus EP

Summary

New Heights Podcast: Jeff Stoutland on Leaving Philly, Evaluating Linemen & A Legendary Eagles Roundtable | Bonus EP

Date: April 24, 2026
Hosts: Jason Kelce & Travis Kelce (with Brent Celek and Jordan Mailata)
Special Guest: Jeff Stoutland (longtime Eagles OL coach)

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Episode Overview

This bonus episode is a heartfelt, funny, and revealing roundtable focused on legendary Philadelphia Eagles offensive line coach Jeff Stoutland. With both Kelce brothers, Brent Celek, and Jordan Mailata joining, it covers Stoutland’s 13 seasons in Philly, his approach to coaching, what makes a great offensive lineman, the intricacies of Eagles’ most famous plays, and the legacy he leaves behind. The discussion is rich with stories, philosophy, and memorable banter—an insider’s tribute to an NFL coaching icon stepping away from the only life he’s known for 44 consecutive years.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Stepping Away After 44 Years

• How Retirement Feels (00:00 - 07:04)
  • Stoutland on not preparing for a season for the first time:
    • “Awesome. I’m just being honest... It’s really been good.” (06:02, Jeff Stoutland)
  • Opens up about family time and becoming a grandfather.
  • Discusses the challenge and relief of being home after decades of football’s seven-day grind.
  • Has not ruled out returning to football in some capacity, possibly in lineman evaluation.

2. Legendary Eagles Coaching Room

• Meeting Room Philosophy (03:02 - 05:17)
  • Stoutland started every meeting by teaching defense, which allowed players “to communicate in our own language.”
  • Influence on evolving NFL defenses as other teams poached Eagles’ players and secrets.
  • Jason Kelce: “That was one of the things I miss most about being in the room with you, coach.” (03:51)
  • Stoutland: “Players over the years would say, ‘I never learned so much about defense in my life.’” (03:35)

3. Insights on Player Evaluation

• What Makes a Great Offensive Lineman (42:20 - 44:36)
  • Stoutland breaks down his scouting flowchart:
    • "You got to have the size... the most important critical factor would be foot and body quickness." (43:04)
    • Lower body flexibility (ankle flexion) is key for “explosive power, change of direction” in any position, especially OL.
  • On passion: “If you’re not passionate and you don’t love the game, it’s probably not going to work out.” (11:47)

4. The “Tush Push” & Football Innovation

• On the Infamous Play (15:32 - 17:31)
  • Stoutland dislikes the nickname “tush push,” preferring to call it “organized mass.”
  • Breaks down secret details—angles, personnel, and on-the-job adjustments—and notes, “It’s the one play you cannot practice full speed.”
  • “If you take a player out of there that’s been doing it for a while and now it’s not organized mass, it’s just mass. Then you got a problem.” (17:31, Stoutland)

5. Best Stories & Eagles Legacy

• Favorite and Toughest Players (28:50 - 33:10)
  • Toughest: Landon Dickerson (“That guy. Nobody knows what he goes through each week.” - 29:07)
  • Smartest: Isaac Seumalo
  • Meanest: Jason Peters (“If he snaps, you don’t want to go there. That’s a bad man.” - 30:21)
  • Most Improved: Jordan Mailata, who recounts doubting he’d ever stick in the NFL.
• Transforming Talent
  • Mailata: “He was always there, but he always believed in me... He was the last one to believe in me.” (60:22)
  • Stoutland describes he was adamant Mailata’s rare blend of size and quickness “was worth it. And it took a very long time, and we almost ran out of time.” (33:04)

6. Building Team Culture

• Motivational Sayings & Emotional Impact (44:38 - 49:17)
  • “Hungry dogs run faster” — Stoutland explains the phrase’s roots at his YMCA training in New York and how it defined his coaching and playing ethos.
  • “Execution fuels emotion,” a key principle in building group energy and cohesiveness.
  • Players old and new describe pre-game speeches, vulnerabilities, and tradition’s critical role in championship runs.
  • Brent Celek’s negotiation story: When he realized “all I have is this year”—which fueled his leadership during the Super Bowl season.

7. Transitioning Between Coaching Eras & Styles

• Chip Kelly’s offense initially took the league by storm (“We thought we would win the Super Bowl after that first game!” - 40:22).
• Stoutland relished learning new schemes and always focused on teaching OL fundamentals no matter the head coach (coached through four Eagles regimes).

8. Coach as Father Figure & Mentor

• Mailata and Kelce both note Stoutland’s unique off-field presence:
  • “He taught me so much as a man... He set me in my ways of hard work beats everything.” (61:11, Mailata)
• Kelce: “You could not go into that fucking room without being ready each and every day... You weren’t going to accept it, so everybody had to acknowledge that.” (63:00)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On evaluating talent:
  • “If you miss on offensive linemen in this league, you’re in trouble.” (11:05, Stoutland)
• On player development:
  • “Just the way a guy walks. I’ve seen that walk before… That guy’s born to have his hand in the dirt.” (18:44, Stoutland)
• Classic “Stout-isms”:
  • “I don’t know that guy from Adam’s house cat.” (57:09)
  • “Pound and salt a buffet lady’s ass.” (57:38)
  • “80% of the time, the easy way is the wrong way.” (59:38)
• On Philadelphia fans & culture:
  • “You can’t trick people in Philly. They know when it’s synchronized... They know who’s playing hard—they’ll hold your ass, man.” (21:51, Stoutland)
• On his legacy and relationships:
  • “We all, as former players, thank you from the bottom of our hearts. You gave us everything you had, and as players, that’s all you want.” (63:00, Kelce)

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• 00:00 - 07:04: Stoutland on retirement, not prepping for football for first time in 44 years
• 11:45: First impressions of Jason Kelce
• 15:32: The truth about the “Tush Push” and offensive line details
• 28:50: Eagles player word association (toughest, smartest, meanest, most improved, etc.)
• 33:13: Mailata’s transformation and Stoutland’s coaching process
• 39:03: On building championship team culture; emotional leadership
• 42:20: Stoutland’s philosophy on evaluating offensive linemen
• 44:38: Origins of “hungry dogs run faster”
• 49:37: 2017 Super Bowl season: defining moments and key relationships
• 55:24: Reflections on blocks, run game, and team momentum in recent years
• 57:09: Stoutland’s unique phrases and how he used them as “hooks” for teaching
• 60:00: Mailata and Kelce reflect on Stoutland as a father figure, mentor, and coach

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Final Thoughts

This bonus episode stands out as an emotional, informative, and laugh-filled celebration of Jeff Stoutland’s indelible footprint on the Eagles and the NFL. It’s a tribute from the men who lived it with him—reminding listeners that great coaching is bigger than X’s and O’s; it’s about family, belief, culture, and, as Stoutland would say, being the hungriest dog in the race.

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Transcript

[Jason Kelce]

How has it felt to have March and not going into a building and kind of preparing for a season like you have been for 44 years? Yeah.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Awesome. I'm just being honest.

[Travis Kelce]

Welcome to this bonus episode of New Heights. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, it's a wondry show brought to you today by Planet Fitness. We are your host. I'm Travis cousin, my big brother Jason Kelsey out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. University of Cincinnati grads. Go cats. Subscribe on YouTube wherever you get your podcast and follow the show on all social media. New heights show with 1s for fun clips throughout the week. Jason, why don't you tell the people what we have on this wonderful episode?

[Jason Kelce]

Alrighty. On today's bonus episode, this is a special one to me. We got Jeff Stoutland coming in. That's right, the old ball coach. We've been trying to get this Stoutland episode out for a while and we just wanted to make it, you know, done right. Stop. Means a lot to me. So we wanted to make it a special one and something that honored him for the 13 years that he spent as the Eagles offensive line coach and the guys that he ended up transforming and making long careers out of him. So enjoy this bonus episode with Jeff Stoutland, Travis Kelsey, Brett Selleck, Jordan Malata, and I get me Jason, you want

[Travis Kelce]

to do the honors?

[Jason Kelce]

Sure do, Trav. I've been looking forward to this one.

[Jeff Stoutland]

All righty.

[Jason Kelce]

Our guest today is a six foot offensive line coach from Staten Island, New York. He's a member of the Southern Connecticut University hall of fame. He won two BCS national championships with Alabama. He's a two time super bowl champion with the Philadelphia Eagles. And in his 13 seasons as the Eagles offensive line coach, he coached seven different players, Drake combined 27 Pro Bowls, six different players, Drake combined 16 All Pros, 92 percenters. Please welcome the head president of Stalin University, Jeff Stalin.

[Jeff Stoutland]

There we go. There we go.

[Travis Kelce]

Welcome to the show, big guy.

[Jeff Stoutland]

First of all, I'm not six foot tall.

[Jason Kelce]

Oh, you used to be. You used to be.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Never was six foot tall ever.

[Jason Kelce]

You were never six foot.

[Travis Kelce]

You were always six one.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Right back I was six two. I went down to like six one and three quarters or a half. I broke my neck so my. I crushed my neck so many times that I. Yeah, that's what it is.

[Jason Kelce]

It's those stingers from freaking playing linebacker.

[Jeff Stoutland]

That's right.

[Jason Kelce]

You know, it's.

[Travis Kelce]

Hold on.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Linebacker. Linebacker coach.

[Jason Kelce]

You didn't know that?

[Jeff Stoutland]

That's a whole story. That's a whole nother story.

[Travis Kelce]

Crazy. This is crazy. It makes sense though. You know, every part of the defense, which, which makes you a great offensive line coach, I'm sure. So many other qualities as well. But I always thought that was the unique thing about Jason is Jason's always been a defensive minded kid and person growing up. And then they throw him in the offensive side and he knows where everybody is, their gaps, their alignments, their how they're communicating and everything. He's kind of had the keys to the test.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Our meetings would start like, and Jason can attest to this. We would go over identification of defensive fronts, pressures, whole numbering system in terms of the pressures, verbiage, what we call the different pressures so we could communicate to each other like our own language. So defense, it was like Hoosiers. You didn't touch a ball before. It was all defense. When is the front going to move? When is it not going to move? And I had a lot of feedback from players over the years that I coached that would say I never learned so much about defense in my life. Like.

[Jason Kelce]

Right.

[Jeff Stoutland]

But that's kind of a system and I, I believe in the system. I do.

[Travis Kelce]

Hell yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelce]

That's fascinating.

[Jason Kelce]

You know, when we were together for 13 years and watching the way defenses would evolve and then they would change what they're doing because they know that we know what they're doing. Like, we'd have guys go other places and that was one of the things like, you know, you're onto something when other teams are starting to shift that they're starting to hide the linebacker alignment because you know, when they're in a 40 alignment that they're giving away the pressure, they're giving away the spike. You know that when they're, they're in a certain stance that they're, they're giving you information and we, we would spend hours looking at that stuff and Steady would come in with all of these pointers when they're in this and this. And that's honestly one of the things I miss most about being in the room with you, coach, is going over all that, Stu. I mean, that was so much fun.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Yeah. But you know, you know what, you know what started to happen, as you know, and I, I hate to say this, but it's true. One year we had, I think it was eight players. I don't, I don't know the exact number, but yeah, we had eight players that were plucked off our roster to other teams. So when we discuss all these little details, you don't think they're going to the other teams.

[Jason Kelce]

Oh, for sure.

[Jeff Stoutland]

So we started. We started having our own little. Like, we were just looking at each other. I'd look, right. I'd look in his eyes, and I'd be like. Like, yeah, you see what I see? And then we would be like, all right. So I say, just keep watching, people. And then other players, like, what are they talking about? And I just said, keep watching. Let's see if this is holding up or not. And we would pick up on these. These things.

[Jason Kelce]

Yep. Listen, I knew we were going to get bogged down in this right away.

[Travis Kelce]

Right away.

[Jason Kelce]

First of all. First of all, coach, you've been. You've been out of coaching for a month now for the first time. How many years have you been a coach? Consecutively? I know you were 13 years with the Eagles, but consecutively, every time at this time of the year, you've been preparing for a season for how many years straight?

[Jeff Stoutland]

44 years straight.

[Jason Kelce]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Yeah. It's a long time.

[Jason Kelce]

Well, how. How does it feel right now? How has it felt to have March and not going into a building and kind of preparing for a season like you have been for 44 years?

[Jordan Mailata]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

Awesome. I'm just being honest.

[Jeff Stoutland]

I'm just being honest. Like. Like, you know, that Sunday night in the off season. You know, the off season, because you got. You got to realize you work seven days a week, I guess July right on through until February, middle of February, even later than that, if you keep playing like Trav, like we all did, you know, every. Every year. So then it becomes. Then it becomes a very short off season. And, you know, then. Then you have another whole deal with the. With the draft and evaluations, but you'd have a million. I mean, a million things to be doing on a timeline, and you're thinking about it on Sunday night, and you're like, oh, my goodness, I got to get in there earlier because I got to get this done, that done. I don't want to stay there all night. It's the off season, and you're always thinking about stuff, and that's a cool feeling. You know, 60 Minutes on Sunday night, not having to worry about or thinking about and actually being home, just being home with my family and not having my mind racing somewhere else. That's. It's really been good.

[Jason Kelce]

That's awesome. That's awesome. You've been getting some family time with Allison, and I know, by the way, new grandfather. Let's just go. We got to do that. That's more important than any of this stuff. Right there. Congratulations, Coach.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Thank you.

[Travis Kelce]

Well, let's. Let's get back to.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. What. What's next? Like, you're. You're. You're. You're sitting down right now. I know you're enjoying yourself, but you haven't officially announced you're retired. You've obviously stepped away from the Philadelphia Eagles, but do you have any idea what you want to do from here on?

[Jeff Stoutland]

Like, are you.

[Jason Kelce]

Are you done? Done? Like, where are we at, coach? So

[Jeff Stoutland]

if you can, like, rewind the tape here, go back a little bit, and your last three years of your career, we would have this conversation at the end of every year. You'd come at some point, a little time to, you know, rest and think about it. Then you'd come in, coach, you have a few minutes to talk, and we would close the door, we'd sit down, and you.

[Jordan Mailata]

You.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Cause you're an emotional guy. You get a little emotional, and we would talk through, you know, what the future is. And I would never give. Tell anybody what they should do. Or if you ask me for my advice, I just. And I would say to you, I think you're going to know when it's time.

[Jason Kelce]

Yes, I remember that very well, with

[Jeff Stoutland]

all the changes that were going on and stuff. And it just came a point here not long ago where I was very aware of my surroundings in my. And I was thinking to myself, this might be that time. And so a lot of us don't. People that work for a very, very long time in their life, they struggle, they have a very hard time of making this decision. And I don't even know what the decision is. I just felt like it was the right decision. And I've always believed in taking control of my future and who I am and what I do. And so I just felt it. So there. There's that. And now you ask, what is the future? So all of a sudden, you make a decision like that. And I really wasn't ready to make that. This. I. I had been thinking, you know, I had actually spoken to you about, like, this is gonna. This day for me is gonna come. I don't know, but it's not that far away, and this isn't that long ago. And so now you think about where it does. Where do you go with this? But I will say. I will say this to you. I promise you this. I am jacked up and excited, and I have all these. I've got all these ideas right now, and I don't really feel like revealing what I want. First of all, I can't really do much. I want to just set back for a year and just reset yourself. Yeah, I want to reset. I want to reset. And most importantly, I've been married for like, 33, 34, maybe 30. I don't know. She'll get mad at me, but I. It's, it's. It's in that area. 33, 34, 35.

[Travis Kelce]

We're in the third.

[Jeff Stoutland]

I think it's 34.

[Jason Kelce]

He's close, Alex. Let's go to close four.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.

[Jason Kelce]

So.

[Jeff Stoutland]

And I think that's actually the number. But it's been my. Our entire marriage. I've not been home. I've hardly been home. And so every single night, we're in the morning, we'll have coffee, we'll sit and talk, or in the evening. I haven't done that ever.

[Jason Kelce]

Ever.

[Jeff Stoutland]

And so there's an adjustment period, too now when you, when you do stuff like this, but it's exciting and it's, It's. It's a whole nother chapter in your life. And I'm excited about that. And, and to have other things to do and, and believe me, there'll be things that I'm going to do in football because I love. Here's what I love to do, guys. I love evaluating offensive linemen. I think it's very, very difficult. If you miss on offensive linemen in this league, you're in trouble.

[Travis Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

Yep.

[Jeff Stoutland]

You're going to get set back. And we all know there's teams that have had that happen, and it's going to cost you. So I know how important that is, and I think I'm. I think I'm pretty good at it, by the way. And so I love the process of that. And so I think there'll be something down the road where I'll be involved with doing some things like that.

[Travis Kelce]

I love to hear this, and it sounds like you're excited about the new style of life and still being a part of the game or around the game. But I gotta ask you, Coach, what was your first impression of Jason Kelce, both on film and when he walked in the building?

[Jeff Stoutland]

Well, first of all, I want to be around people that are passionate. They love the game. You can have all the critical factors, you can have all the skill, all the things needed to play good and all that. But if you're not passionate and you don't love the game, it's probably not going to work out very well. It's going to.

[Jason Kelce]

You'll.

[Jeff Stoutland]

You'll be okay. Whatever but you're never going to make it to the. To the top of the top of the top, like. Like both you guys have. And so number one, that was the first impression, was this guy is. This guy is completely bought. He is. But there's things I can do that I believe to help him. So one day he. Trav, I don't know if you ever heard this story, but I know Jason doesn't want me to tell the story or not, but, you know, it is what it is. He hyperextended. Well, he got hit. It wasn't. He was ripping again. He. He doesn't know. There's no other gear for Jason. It's 100 miles per hour or it's nothing. Shut him down. I'm out, Whatever. So he hyper extends his elbow. I think it was a running back ran into his arm. His arm. You can't see me, but his arm was out like that, and the back ran right into his arm. He hyperextended his elbow. So he. Oh, he goes down. He's screaming. I don't really know how bad it was because you know Jason better than I know Jason, but he was screaming. I thought he broke his shoulder and his arm. So he rips his helmet off and threw it across. There was three fields until he. Across. It was the first day I was. We were out in OTAs, and I was like, holy smoke, I'm in for a treat. And then I. I remember JP just looking at me smiling like, get ready, big boy. You ain't seen nothing yet. You ain't seen nothing yet.

[Jason Kelce]

Oh, yeah. I remember that day very well.

[Travis Kelce]

You got to do something with that energy, man. A good old Kelsey helmet throw is always in the back pocket, man. We got that thing ready.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Have you. Is that part of your game, too? Have you thrown a helmet?

[Travis Kelce]

I think it's just. Oh, yeah, yeah. There's a few. There's a few memes out there. I didn't throw a. Three football fields over, but I gave it a.

[Jeff Stoutland]

You threw a helmet in the actual NFL game? Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelce]

Coach wasn't too happy about it. Coach wasn't too happy about it. Had to apologize a few people.

[Jason Kelce]

We can laugh about it now. Not the best, but.

[Travis Kelce]

Yeah, it wasn't the best moment, but.

[Jason Kelce]

Well, I don't want to. I want to be more talking about the overall career, but I do have to ask. Last season, right? You guys go from when the super bowl, setting a record at the running back position.

[Travis Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

But the rushing game, what. What happened last year, just in general, like, what was the reason for the struggles in your mind? I don't know what went wrong last season with the Birds?

[Jeff Stoutland]

Well, I think anytime things don't go well, and I don't want to sound like I'm on a team like in an interview for. But it's the truth. It's execution, and it's calling the right play at the right time and not running bad plays in the bad defenses. I mean, it ain't that hard. I'm not going to sit here and make up all these. That's pretty much it.

[Jason Kelce]

Well, the one. Talk about speed and attention to detail and how much each little inch and step matters. One of the things that was the most surprising looking this year was the tush push, to be honest with you, because that's a play. That quarterback sneak play, even before it was a tush push, was a play that we've run at like a 90% clip year after year. And to see that struggle at times this past season. I mean, it's. Last year they were going to ban it, right? I went to the owner's meeting. They're looking to get rid of it.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Why were they looking to get rid of it?

[Travis Kelce]

Well, they said it wasn't set.

[Jason Kelce]

Safe, coach.

[Travis Kelce]

Safe.

[Jeff Stoutland]

But now there's no problem. Everything's okay.

[Travis Kelce]

Yeah, well, just because guys started running it safer.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Hey, I gotta be. You're a funny dude, man.

[Jason Kelce]

Oh, good.

[Travis Kelce]

Coach.

[Jason Kelce]

You were.

[Travis Kelce]

You were. You the inventor of the tush push? I think Sirianni. Coach Sirianni always said you were the inventor of it.

[Brent Selleck]

Is.

[Travis Kelce]

Is that the truth?

[Jeff Stoutland]

The tush push is quarterback sneak. First of all, let me just say this, okay? Let me just say this, first of all, okay?

[Jason Kelce]

Get off your chest, Trav.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Tell me if I'm off, if I'm out of bounds here. So. Tush push. Brotherly. Why do we have. Have names for it? Like, why do we gotta. It's kind of. It's making fun of the play, actually. Kind of.

[Travis Kelce]

I hear you, Jason. Yeah.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Jason, do you think.

[Travis Kelce]

Silly.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Is there a lot of little details that go into this play?

[Jason Kelce]

Oh, yeah, very much so.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Okay, well, that. Those words kind of make it sound like it's some kind of funny. Like. I don't know. I take. I. I've. Every time I hear it, I'm like, call it organized mass. That's what it is. Something. What it is. I hate when we have a little

[Travis Kelce]

bit more respect in the name. Yeah, I hear you.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Like. Like, it's not a. It's not a joke. It's Not a. There's so many little things that go into this play. And by the way, this is the one play you cannot practice full speed. There's no way. This play is on the job training. And so when you have the players after you detail the angles, you got to have personnel. The right personnel. Quarterback's got to be strong. It's about organized mass. It's about setting the apex of the wedge, but it's about angles, and there's a lot of other things that are involved. Can't get into it. It'd be a whole dissertation.

[Travis Kelce]

Can't get.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Yeah, it's. It's grandma's secret. Yeah, Grandma's secret sauce.

[Jason Kelce]

So it's like that. Those meatballs can't be giving away the red sauce. Come on, now.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Yeah, the meatballs. Vic always talks about his meatballs. But anyway. Yeah, so there's. There's secret sauce to this. And that's. That's that. And I don't think when you take. If you take a player out of there that's been doing it for a while and now it's not organized mass. It's just mass. Then. Then. Then. Then you got a problem. You're not making it.

[Jason Kelce]

All right, well, we're going to. We're going to change gears here. We're going to get to some. Got to ask. A lot of this is just geared around your career or being an offensive line coach. So this first one, what is the weirdest habit or personality trait an offensive lineman seem to have where you're like, yeah, this guy's born to have his hand in the dirt? Habit could be like a mentality.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Like the first thing that came to my mind, and this is going to sound weird and maybe delete this from your program. I don't care. The way. The way a guy walks. Just the way a guy walks. Just the way a guy walks.

[Jason Kelce]

Okay.

[Jeff Stoutland]

A real guy. Like a real, real guy. Sometimes.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Just the way a guy walks. I'd be like, oh, shoot. Like, I've seen that walk before. I've seen the way. Yeah, yeah, you. I've. I've seen that game.

[Travis Kelce]

Is it a. Is it a. Is it a sassy walk? Is it a confidence?

[Jason Kelce]

Is it cut out the guts out? Like, what. What's the walk look like?

[Jeff Stoutland]

Organized. It's just.

[Jason Kelce]

It's just the way it looks.

[Jeff Stoutland]

It's just the way it looks.

[Travis Kelce]

Who's the hardest defender that you've ever had to scheme for?

[Jeff Stoutland]

So when we were in College in 1997, I think it was or 96. Dwight Freeney was a freshman in college, Longfield High School. You know, he was a great baseball player. I don't even know if he played football for about one year in high school. But he comes in, he lines up as the edge player. And we had a left tackle, Mark Banowitz, great player. And Mark's, you know, like, oh, you know, he was a road scholar, had all these accolades. And this young freshman is coming around the edge, like, with his hand on the ground, and he couldn't. He couldn't block him. I mean, he could not block him. And he. And he looked at me, he's like, coach, he's got his hands up. He's like, I don't know what to do. Like, I'm losing confidence. So I swear, I swear to you, I said, close your eyes.

[Jason Kelce]

And

[Jeff Stoutland]

I'm not joking. I swear to God. Three times? Yes. Close your eyes and kick three times. I said, after the third kick, open your eyes. And he's like, what? And I said, just freaking do it. He comes back and he goes, it works. He goes, why did you tell me that? I said, because. Because you were. You were reading the rush and you weren't kicking fast enough, and you didn't have enough separation off the line, and you kept turning right off the snap because you felt like you were beat. And so you were giving up a short edge. And I. I didn't. Like, I just thought about that, like, so. So that's a true story. Honest to God. And it helped.

[Jason Kelce]

So you basically coach. You basically. You sandlotted him. You, Benny the Jet, told him, like, smalls, just go out to outfield. I'm gonna put that ball up right there. You just close your eyes and I'll do the rest.

[Jeff Stoutland]

I had to have. I had to have. What am I gonna say?

[Jordan Mailata]

I don't know.

[Jason Kelce]

But, I mean, it makes complete sense

[Jeff Stoutland]

because instantaneously I thought to myself, what is the initial problem he's having? And it was that he was. He was turning because he felt so much edge, quickness. And I said, how can I help him? Not. So I thought to myself, just tell him to close his eyes. So he did. It worked out.

[Jason Kelce]

Love a coach. There you go. Well, let me ask you this. What are you going to miss? You want two Super Bowls? You're in Philadelphia for 13 years. What are you going to miss most about being the coach of the Philadelphia Eagles? What do you. Is there anything you want to say to Philadelphia? How did. What did you think of your time in Philadelphia?

[Jeff Stoutland]

I like, not Only myself, my family, we absolutely are in love with Philadelphia. We love living here. We're not gonna live anywhere else forever. And Allison would always say to me, I don't care where you go. I ain't good lie. I ain't going anywhere. This is our home. The fans, you know, I grew up in Staten island and I grew up in New York City, and the people are a little bit, you know, they're a little abrasive. They, they speak your mind and they say what's, what's. And there's a lot of similarity and there's a lot of carryover. But the people in Philly, man, you could say what you want, but if you are willing to play your ass off to coach your put everything you got on the line and coach your butt off. And they know you can't trick people in Philly. You can. They just watch the game because they all go, Everybody goes to the game and everybody watches the game. So they know they're not just. You're not conning anybody in Philadelphia. They know when it's synchronized. They know who's playing hard, who's not playing hard, who's not. And so you don't do that. Hold your ass, man.

[Travis Kelce]

Well, I'll tell, I'll tell you what, Stout, if you're, if you're ever going to miss getting yelled at by Philly fans or getting hearing them down there at the Link, I'm sure you could just go right back to the Link maybe and hear that. Loud and proud.

[Jeff Stoutland]

They're still there.

[Travis Kelce]

Yeah, they're still there.

[Jeff Stoutland]

That would never leave. Everywhere going. It don't matter what day it is, they're going to be there.

[Travis Kelce]

And you're an absolute legend in the city, so I'm sure every time you go back to the Link, man, they'll be cheering loud and proud for you, too.

[Jason Kelce]

Well, Coach, I'm so incredibly grateful for what you've done for me and my career, my teammates career, the career you had in Philadelphia and you've had your entire coaching journey. Can't wait to see what you do next.

[Travis Kelce]

Can't wait.

[Jason Kelce]

And also can't wait to fix my golf swing over at your house. Get some red light therapy in some sauna work.

[Travis Kelce]

Yeah. Jason, you're a little pale right now. I need you glowing. I need you glowing, Jason.

[Jason Kelce]

Oh, that's right. I am pale. Gosh dang, look at that skin.

[Jeff Stoutland]

You know, I should have said this to start the whole thing, but I, I, you know, when you do something like this, there's no play. There's no plan. This is just like, hey, man, let's. Let's roll. This is how Travis likes it, right?

[Travis Kelce]

Come on now. Yeah, Come on now.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Yeah, you love it. So. But there's something. There's something that we talked about the fans, but. But really from the organization, from the top all the way down to the bottom. And I mean, from Mr. Laurie, Howie, Nick, Doug, Chip, all the guys that hired me, and to the people I'm talking like, you realize this. Every morning at 6, between 6 and 7 o', clock, I would get a cup of Coffee and Ms. Keisha in the cafeteria. And I would have a little conversation,

[Jason Kelce]

shout out to Ms. Keisha every single morning.

[Jeff Stoutland]

And maybe Charles would be there, too, if we're lucky. And T. Roy might try to nose in on the thing, too. But every single morning, I think that might be what I missed the most. I mean, so I have so many close people in that building that, that aren't even involved in the football. Like they are involved in the football because they're taking care of us, but they're training athletic training department to the video department. You know, I'm going to miss a lot of those people.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, a lot. I love a coach.

[Travis Kelce]

Well, I'm sure they're going to miss you too, big guy.

[Jason Kelce]

You will be missed. No doubt. You were one of one in that building. The energy and passion that you brought, you can hear it here. When you're talking how much you love talking ball, how much the details matter, you know, we'll have to get you. We'll have to get your back doing some tape or something like that, if you be open to it. We're going to. We're going to do some tape breakdowns. I'd love a little tape breakdown.

[Jordan Mailata]

Let's go.

[Jason Kelce]

Oh, man.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Oh, that. Dive deep, man.

[Travis Kelce]

It's got to be my tape so I can get coached up by the big guy. One time.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, you wanted to coach receivers. You always said you wanted to go.

[Jeff Stoutland]

You're not going to believe this.

[Jason Kelce]

There's a playbook over there.

[Jeff Stoutland]

It's a wide receiver's playbook from Syracuse. When they told me I was going to go coach receiver.

[Jason Kelce]

No way.

[Travis Kelce]

Coach. Yeah.

[Jeff Stoutland]

I love you guys.

[Travis Kelce]

Happy for you, man.

[Jeff Stoutland]

And your mom. Your mom and your dad. Your mom's unbelievable. How does she build? How does she create these two people like this that have so much success at this level and. Unbelievable, unbelievable story.

[Jordan Mailata]

We're.

[Travis Kelce]

We're lucky men.

[Jeff Stoutland]

What you're doing right now, I'm like, how do These two guys do it. Like, how they pulling this off? Like these guys.

[Jason Kelce]

These guys have no idea, to be honest with you.

[Jeff Stoutland]

No matter what they do, we get

[Travis Kelce]

great guests like you to come and tell unbelievable stories like this. That's how we're doing it.

[Jason Kelce]

That's right. You're the best study. Thank you so much.

[Travis Kelce]

Appreciate you, coach. You know, it's.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Thank you, guys. Appreciate you.

[Jason Kelce]

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[Travis Kelce]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Travis Kelce]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Jason Kelce]

Hours, amenities and offers vary by club. Check out planetfitness.com or stop by your local club for more information. Must be 18 years old to enroll or 13 to 17 with a parent or a guardian. All righty. We're here for the second half of the Jeff Stoutlin episode, and we want to do something a little bit different. Obviously, Coach Stout was in Philadelphia for a long time, so I thought it'd be cool to incorporate some of the guys that were here during his entire tenure and just sit back, tell stories of the legendary coach. Philadelphia Eagles offensive line coach Jeff Stoutland. So we obviously have Coach Stout back 13 years with the Philadelphia Eagles. Great number, by the way. You and I both did the same number of years of the Eagles.

[Jeff Stoutland]

I didn't know that.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, it's a good number. Then we got my man Brent Selleck. Only did 11 seasons.

[Brent Selleck]

Yeah. Not as good as you guys.

[Jason Kelce]

Ended on a Super bowl, though. High legendary tight end. And then we got Jordan Mylotta, still currently playing Philadelphia Eagle. Probably, I think, your biggest, like, success story, Right? I mean, you've had a lot of them, but to take a guy that never played the game before and teach him how to play football.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Yeah, there was. There's a lot of stories that. And they're all fun. It was the challenge that you have as the coach is to. What do I got to do to help this player be the best?

[Jason Kelce]

Yes.

[Jeff Stoutland]

And that's kind of what we did with Jordan.

[Jason Kelce]

I do want to start off with just some word association. So I'm going to say a word, adjective, and you tell me what player embodies this the most? Oh, boy.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Okay.

[Jason Kelce]

You've seen a lot of players come through. Who's the toughest player you've ever coached?

[Jeff Stoutland]

This is like asking me.

[Jason Kelce]

It's not saying nobody else isn't tough, but who's the guy that, like, stands out to your mind? First player that stands out to you when you say you're toughest, There's a lot.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Lana Dickerson.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. I think it's a great answer.

[Jeff Stoutland]

That's a tough guy, man. That guy. Nobody knows what he goes through each week to get on the field, but I see the tears in his eyes at times. That's a tough dude.

[Jason Kelce]

No doubt. All right. Smartest. You don't say it. Yeah.

[Jeff Stoutland]

There's no question. Everybody knows that we can move on. Meanest, Time out. Rewind the film. There might be one or two other guys.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, let's see that.

[Jeff Stoutland]

There's the same level. I don't want to. Isaac say Mallo to me.

[Jason Kelce]

Isaac is actually the smartest player I ever played with. Between him and Wiz, those two guys were very intelligent.

[Jeff Stoutland]

High.

[Jordan Mailata]

High level.

[Jeff Stoutland]

He had great vision. He could see everything. He played six positions in one game, the Baltimore game, including tight end.

[Jason Kelce]

It's insane.

[Jeff Stoutland]

He played every position along the line in that game as well as the tight end.

[Jason Kelce]

I'm glad you rewind that. All right. Meanest doesn't have to be a guy with the Eagles either. Like if you got somebody from college.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Yeah, Meanest. I coached a long time now.

[Jason Kelce]

The game used to be meaner, too.

[Jeff Stoutland]

In the 80s, feelings will be hurt. Jason Peters. I saw some things happen on the field a couple times. Like when you get to the. There's a certain point where if he snaps, you don't want to. You don't want to go there. There was some things. That's a bad man.

[Jason Kelce]

I'll never forget the first one on one I ever saw him do. This is before you got. This is my rookie year. Trent Coles at DN was a great player. And Trent beat him on an inside move. And he was pissed mad. He said, run it back. Oh, hell no. Run it back. They line up again. I don't know why. Trent tried to go inside again. JP took his palm and hit him so hard in the face mask that he landed on his head, like, did a backflip, basically. And I remember seeing that. I'm like, dude, I don't know if I can play in the NFL. If these are the guys that are playing. I don't know if I got what it takes.

[Jeff Stoutland]

I mean, that guy, the size, the quickness and the explosive power all wrapped up in one. You don't come across that within 100, I mean, 100 years, you're not going to see someone like that that was.

[Brent Selleck]

And great teammates.

[Jason Kelce]

Yes.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Great person. Great person.

[Jason Kelce]

Most improved player you ever coached.

[Jeff Stoutland]

I don't know how you could say that's.

[Jason Kelce]

I still remember the first day you walked in and like, I mean, you didn't know anything about football. I, I was drafted with Danny Watkins, who also was a guy that played football late, was very green with the game, didn't know what certain techniques were called. Things that I was kind of crazy going to the NFL that a guy didn't know this stuff. But you, I mean, you didn't know a pass it, you didn't know where the quarterback was. You didn't know anything was called. Truly, like, knew nothing about the game. And now you're an all Pro.

[Brent Selleck]

Wow.

[Jason Kelce]

I mean, that's insane. It helps that you're 365 and run a 47 in our freaking nature for sure.

[Jordan Mailata]

Well, 7's generous.

[Jason Kelce]

You don't think you run a 4 7?

[Jordan Mailata]

I don't know. Probably sub 5. Definitely not a 4 7.

[Jason Kelce]

No. If your toes weren't webbed, you run 4 7.

[Jordan Mailata]

I think I would, I have that extra support, little cushion, just that little boost.

[Jason Kelce]

It's got to be him, right?

[Jeff Stoutland]

I know this, here's what I know. I, I, I think he's being modest. Yeah, I think he's being modest. I think he's in a 4 7, 4 8. Like, he'll, he would come out on the field early and he has this routine that he would do, but then he would, then he would just take off and open up and run. And I'm, and like, I'll never forget the workout that, that we did at img. I couldn't believe how the size of the, of the player and the quickness and all the square drills, the, you know, shuffle, the karaoke, we were doing all kinds of stuff and I was like, oh, my goodness, I've never seen anything like this in my life.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jeff Stoutland]

The size of the player, the quickness, the foot quickness. That's the wow factor. Now you got to assess the mental Part of it. How long is it going to take? Yeah. And is it worth it?

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jeff Stoutland]

And I was adamant about it. It's worth it. And it took a very long time, and we almost ran out of time.

[Jason Kelce]

What was that like for you? That whole process?

[Jordan Mailata]

I couldn't believe he. They drafted me.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jordan Mailata]

You know, and the whole time I was here, I was just trying to figure it all out. I didn't know what I was going to be or what I was going to surmount to. It's just kind of at first, going through the motions. Like Style said, these conversations when he would come and say, you're not trying hard enough, I got offended.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jordan Mailata]

I'd be like, well, I'm trying my ass off. And then, you know, he'd make an example of what effort really looks like.

[Jeff Stoutland]

And were you okay?

[Jordan Mailata]

It was the way you came off the field, gasping for air after long, long plays. And everything I try to do was just, again, trying to prove myself to this guy, especially that 20, 20 year. I got wind that I was close to getting. Getting sent home and so pulled my socks up. Oh, it's Nate.

[Jason Kelce]

Was Nate.

[Jordan Mailata]

Herbie?

[Jason Kelce]

Really? What was Herbie?

[Jordan Mailata]

You know, little lawyer locker room. That man was.

[Jason Kelce]

Oh, yeah, he was.

[Jordan Mailata]

He heard some whisperings and relay it back to me, and I was like,

[Jeff Stoutland]

I gotta pull on. Hold on, hold on. We had dinner last night. I know. Wives. We had a nice time. And he actually reenacted the whole story. So I want you to tell us right now and use the voice and everything crazy.

[Jason Kelce]

Do it.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Tell it. You told it. You told me this last night. I didn't know anything about this. Right.

[Jordan Mailata]

He said, hey, bro.

[Jason Kelce]

He said, listen, it's a great Herbie impersonation.

[Jordan Mailata]

He's going to kill me.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Go ahead.

[Jason Kelce]

His tongue's too big for his mouth.

[Jordan Mailata]

He said, man. He said, jody, you got to get in your bag, bro. He's like, they're gonna ship you home, so you won't. You won't go home. Yeah, they gonna ship your ass home, so you. You gotta pull your socks up and get in your bag.

[Jason Kelce]

This is a very good Nate. Herby impression.

[Jordan Mailata]

And then I got in my bag. I got in my bag. He's like. He's like, they're gonna send you home, man. It's like, come on. He was my sleep paralysis.

[Jason Kelce]

Who's the. I guess the last.

[Brent Selleck]

Who?

[Jason Kelce]

You? I. I don't know. He's not answering. Yeah, you are the leader. You.

[Jeff Stoutland]

You.

[Jason Kelce]

You will skip it.

[Jeff Stoutland]

No.

[Jason Kelce]

Why? You can't take the I don't like doing this. All right, who's a cage match?

[Jeff Stoutland]

Who set the question up? That's. That's who. That's who.

[Jason Kelce]

Like, I just got every player that

[Jeff Stoutland]

was ever in that room. They would answer that. They would answer the question the same way. Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

Who's winning a cage match?

[Jordan Mailata]

I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm gonna say Kimber Stout.

[Jeff Stoutland]

But, I mean, Selleck was. It was a great leader, but he wasn't in the.

[Jason Kelce]

He wasn't in the room. Yeah, but you did a lot of

[Jeff Stoutland]

things in front of the team and the offensive unit, and. And, yeah, I think one of the

[Jason Kelce]

coolest things you did in 2017 was the. Started the tradition. You and Stout really started it, which was talking in front of the team the day before the game. Yeah, the night before. Like, I still remember, because we. For some reason, we felt like in 2017 in camp, I remember us all looking at each other and being like, yo, we got a really good squad here. Yeah. Like, Garrett, like, all the pieces we added. Alshon, like, the defense with Fletch, and, like, we just. It felt like all the pieces was. This is the best amount of talent we had had collectively. And I remember. I don't know which one of you guys thought of it first or how that hulked, but you came up and talked the day before the first game of the year. Yeah. And basically, I don't want to. You basically said, guys, I went to the NFC Championship game my first year in the league, second year in the league, we lost the game. And I figured out, you know what? We'll be back next year. And it's been nine seasons, and I still haven't been back. Don't waste this opportunity. We got a really good squad. And I think that really started the trajectory that year of, like, demanding excellence and guys feeling like we had a swagger in confidence. Where did you come up with that? Or where did you.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Both of you.

[Brent Selleck]

It actually happened, really, in the off season, because after my 10th season, Howie calls me into the office, and he's like, hey, we gotta talk. And so I meet him in the office, and he's like, hey, man, I know you're owed this, but, you know, we want to cut it. And so I literally. I had an agent, but I negotiated my deal with Howie face to face.

[Jason Kelce]

Oh, wow. And bold strategy. He's a good negotiator.

[Brent Selleck]

He's a good negotiator. But after. After that moment, I realized, you know, I've been around this game for a Long time, they start taking your money away, and then the next thing is

[Jason Kelce]

you're out the door. Right? Yeah.

[Brent Selleck]

And so that off season, I kind of. My mindset switched, like, this is it. This is all I've got is this year.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Brent Selleck]

And I know that the Saturday nights before the game, Stout used to always talk, and he used to always say something. I used to love hearing him talk. But at that moment that I had with Howie, I was like, you know, I got to be more vocal. I'm going to do things that, you know, are, you know, help uplift my teammates a little bit more. And I thought it was a great thing for me to just show the guys this is what happened to me. This is where I'm at today. And this year is really all we got.

[Jordan Mailata]

Right.

[Brent Selleck]

And what I thought was really cool about it, though, is that Stout kept it going.

[Jason Kelce]

Right.

[Brent Selleck]

The fact that he wasn't a one and done. Yeah. And the fact that I didn't even know Isaac knew how to speak. And then Isaac gets up there.

[Jason Kelce]

Shout out. To shout out. Yeah.

[Brent Selleck]

And Isaac pulls, you know, he. He basically puts his heart on the table and like, this is who I am. It brought me closer to him. I had no relationship with him.

[Jason Kelce]

I agree.

[Brent Selleck]

And to be able to hear my teammate, you, Kelsey got up there and got emotional. Like, to me, those. Those really changed. I feel like our relationships became stronger because we started learning things about each other that we never knew. I thought it was awesome that you did it.

[Jeff Stoutland]

And it was. You could hear a pin drop. You look around the room. Very. A lot of emotional. There was a lot of emotional guys that would get up and speak. Darren Sprouls did a great, like, unbelievable job. I mean, there was a lot of guys who would take that very serious and make it up there and speak from their heart, and I think everybody

[Jason Kelce]

really looked forward to it. All right, let's talk. So you're a college coach for the majority of your career. You come from winning two national championships at Alabama with Nick Saban, Chip Kelly, completely different offense. What were your first impressions coming to Philadelphia and trying to run a brand new offense like that?

[Jeff Stoutland]

Well, I've run about every run, play and play, action and protection that you have been doing it. I was in College for 30 years.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jeff Stoutland]

We did a lot at Alabama.

[Jason Kelce]

Okay.

[Jeff Stoutland]

A lot. And that was a really a pro organization, to be honest with you. Yeah. And then we come in here and we're in the temple offense with Chip Kelly. I was so excited to learn something new. That was basically, I Mean, we dabbled a little bit with a little fastball play here and there.

[Jason Kelce]

Right.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Nothing like that.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Snapped the ball within 25 seconds. Let's go.

[Jason Kelce]

I still remember that first Washington game. It was like they could not stop us.

[Jeff Stoutland]

I remember you coming.

[Jason Kelce]

It was insane. We thought. We all thought we were going to win the super bowl. Like it was, did we not? Like, they couldn't stop it.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Your enthusiasm and your excitement coming all. You couldn't breathe. And we're coming off the field, you're like, stoney, they're. They're begging us to slow down. Throwing up on the field. We got them right where we want them.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jeff Stoutland]

I think we ran 50 plays in the first half.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jeff Stoutland]

That's nuts.

[Jason Kelce]

Oh, dude. It was the first kind of. Of its kind in the NFL. It was a. Washington had no idea what to do. And, like, that was the first. We didn't have tape out there. Teams did catch on eventually, but to start, it was absolutely outrageous. So, Brent, you had been in the league for how many years at that point?

[Travis Kelce]

Six.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Six years.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. Yeah. Juan Castillo, then, offensive line coach. Yeah. What were your first impression impressions with Stout?

[Brent Selleck]

Stout, I would say initially, he was so passionate. When he's installing the run game, you know, he's pounding the table, he's loud. I love that about him. Yeah. The other thing that you could tell right away is he cared. And I would say the third thing is you could question things with Stout and he would listen.

[Jason Kelce]

Right.

[Brent Selleck]

Sometimes he would tell you, no, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Brent Selleck]

No, but he would listen. So, you know those three things. He's a passionate guy. He really cares about his players. I think that's probably the most important thing. And I think that's why Stout and I connect so well, is because I just see he does everything for his players.

[Jason Kelce]

Right.

[Brent Selleck]

And he wants them to have everything that they could possibly have to succeed in that game. And if he feels. He's not giving that, he feels like he's failing.

[Jason Kelce]

Yes. Well said. I don't think I could say it any better. All you want in a coach is somebody that genuinely wants you to be the best version of yourself.

[Brent Selleck]

Exactly.

[Jason Kelce]

And Stout did that for a very long time. If a player feels like a coach has any, like, ulterior motive or like there's, like, a selfish intrinsic desire out of it, you just don't enjoy it as much or you like it. Fuck this dude.

[Brent Selleck]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

All right. All these great players. One of the things you phenomenal at is gauging players before they became great. Jordan mulatto, Lane Johnson. Drafting players to Philadelphia. When you go to a combine or you're looking at a player, what is the number one most important thing? I already know the answer. What's the most important thing that you're looking for to determine whether he's going to be a good offensive lineman?

[Jeff Stoutland]

With all these questions, there's more than one. But you got to have the size. Listen to me. So I start. I have a flowchart. Yeah. You got critical. Yeah. And I follow them. First of all, where are you with the size? Are you average? Are you preferred? Are you ideal? Okay. Where do you fall? Okay. Ideal.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. Okay.

[Jeff Stoutland]

So now the most important critical factor would be foot and body quickness.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. I thought for sure you were going to say ankle flexion. Why is ankle flexion so important?

[Jeff Stoutland]

So this is the best way to say it.

[Jason Kelce]

If you.

[Jeff Stoutland]

If I'm the wide receiver and you're the defensive back and you're in a stance and I'm running off the ball and you're in a backpedal.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jeff Stoutland]

You're trying to cover me. You're backpedaling. And then I break to the out cut and the quarterback shows. Shows the shoulders and he's going to throw the ball as you're backpedaling. If you're able to plant and if you're able to plant and break, I guarantee you you have lower body flexibility. If you went plant, plant, plant, break, you probably have average lower body. Now this is accurate. This holds up across the board. This isn't just for offensive linemen. This was for all positions. And so lower body flexibility is relative to explosive power, change of direction. But you're going to find some guys that can flat out run fast that don't have great lower body flexibility.

[Jason Kelce]

Interesting. So it's more change of direction and agility, explosive power. Got it. Okay.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Once I decide that that's a very important factor, then I'm all in. Yeah, I'm all in. But I have to see it in my brain. I have to feel it. I don't just do like these low hands things. Nobody does. I have to know for a fact that that works.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Then I'm all in.

[Jason Kelce]

Then you're in. The saying I think you used the most, though, throughout your whole career was hungry dogs run faster.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

Where did that come from?

[Jeff Stoutland]

So when I was a young. When I was a young high school player and I belonged to the ymca, that's all we could kind of afford was the YMCA So I would go to the YMCA with a couple of my teammates. We didn't have good facilities at my high school, so we would go to the YMCA and we would lift. And there was a guy in there who was huge strong. I mean, real strong. His name was Dino Mangiero. Played for the Kansas City Chiefs. He actually is the player that broke Dan Pastorini's leg way back in the day. He's actually the player that won the strongest man in the NFL. Arm wrestle. Dino played nose tackle for Rutgers, for Curtis High School, Rutgers. These guys, all they did was work out at the ymca. I mean, they worked out. So Dino was like, come on. Well, Dennis rallied. Come on, you're coming with me. And we would go run through Clove Lakes, park, through the trees, over the tree, and we would be like, I'd be dying. These guys would be jumping over trees. Like you remember how you said to me, I didn't know what toughness was until my strength coach at Cincinnati taught me that was my moment.

[Jason Kelce]

Got it.

[Jeff Stoutland]

And that was my moment. And these guys would keep saying to me, hungry dogs run faster. You don't stop. You keep pushing. You keep going. And what you're going to do is you're going to build so much confidence and yourself, you're going to feel like nobody can beat you. And I embraced that. I embraced it right through college. And I just was like, that was me. That was the epitome of, I'm going to work harder than you, not only as a player, but even as a coach, as I took it further. And I wanted to instill that in all the players. And we did that in our individual drills. And it basically became Kuwait. Who I am or who I was, how I went about coaching, how I went about explaining things to the players. And so that, that came from dino.

[Jason Kelce]

All right, 2017 season, we go on win the Super Bowl. First time in Eagles history. At what point in that season did you realize that the team was special? Is there a moment or is there a play or is there?

[Jeff Stoutland]

I, I just. Look, you asked me a question, and I'm going to, I'm going to answer the question. You might not like the answer. I don't. I don't care. All right, okay. Frank Reich was the offensive coordinator, and he, he, he, you know, he would be like, stout. You got juice today. Like, he was. He would kind of needle me a little bit about the run installation meeting, which you talked about. I would get up in front of the offense and I would do the run game installation and really Before I would put any play in, I would present to everybody and I would say, you know, this is the mission statement on this play. Okay? We're going to displace the interior, two tackles, and if we don't do that, this play is not going to work right. Or we're running a mid zone play. And Jordan, if you don't displace that D end, we can't run this play. And so everybody knew going in where that important, very, very important block was. And then I would say, we're going to come in here, Nelson Aguilar on Monday or Tuesday, and we're going to see if you block the safety on Wham. Because if you, you deserve all the credit for all those Whams that we ran at the Chicago and the Seattle. You're the one that deserves the credit, not Kelsey getting at the second level. But you do it because you block the force player and the force player is the most important block. And I would do that through all the run concepts and everybody knew exactly what was what. But I'm going to tell you what, when I would do that, I would occasionally, as I'm into my doing my thing, I would see Smitty, I would see Alshon, Jeffrey, I'd see Nelson, Aggie, I'd see those, I'd see Mack, Mac, House, and those guys would be like this. I didn't expect that.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, they were into it.

[Jeff Stoutland]

I didn't think that the receiver would be looking at me like that. I expect the offensive lineman or the tight end to be like, all right, I understand. I use the phrase, you guys know it, you've heard it. It's execution fuels emotion. And I don't know how to say it any better than that. Kevin Kelly and I, who worked with way back in 1984, together, we would talk about. He would talk about this with me. There's no better way to describe the excitement, the jubilation of a great play or a great series. When you're execution fuels emotion. If you're not executing, you don't. You're not having fun, you're not. You're not feeling it. You're not bumping into each other, you're not hugging each other, you're not. So that phrase became something I would use quite often because it says it all.

[Jason Kelce]

What about you? Is there a point in that year

[Brent Selleck]

that I think every year you feel like we have a really good team?

[Jason Kelce]

Yes.

[Brent Selleck]

I think after, I believe it was the.

[Jason Kelce]

You don't go to a season being like, hey, we're not going to win the Super Bowl. We're going to suck this year.

[Brent Selleck]

Like, the real moment for me was when we were in LA and Carson got hurt and Nick comes in the game.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Brent Selleck]

And the feeling on the sideline with some of the guys that I was around, it was just like, damn, not us again. You know, Carson at that moment was the MVP would have been. And then Nick comes in and Nick starts slinging it. And I'll just never forget the feeling in the locker room after that game. And Malcolm gave his speech and it was just like next man up mentality.

[Jason Kelce]

I agree.

[Jeff Stoutland]

That was.

[Jason Kelce]

It was a crazy moment in that season.

[Brent Selleck]

Throughout the entire season, it was that way. But that was the biggest moment. And how Nick responded to all that, I thought was unbelievable.

[Jason Kelce]

Nick handled it unbelievably. It ended up working out to our favor, I think a little bit because Nick came in and was different than Carson and he liked different plays. And we switched it up at the perfect time in the season. But you're the nail on the head. Too stout with saying that it was a great blend of personalities and people and like, Carson was great, but like Legara Blunt was like an unreal teammate and personality to have in there. Jay A jai added him halfway through the season was fantastic. A young Isaac and like some of the players we had in the depths that were ready to play.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Corey Clement, Corey Clement, those three running

[Jason Kelce]

backs, it was awesome.

[Jeff Stoutland]

We had fun. We had a lot of fun.

[Jason Kelce]

And that was after Darren Sprouls got hurt.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Yeah, Sprouls and JP Got hurt.

[Jason Kelce]

We lost probably two of our. We lost our three best players. Probably right. Our best offensive line was Jason Peter before he got hurt. Our best running back is probably Sprouls. And we lost our starting quarterback still went on.

[Jeff Stoutland]

But I do think that what you just said about Nick, because once Carson got hurt, I felt the same. I felt like everybody was like, well, there it goes. Yeah, we were having something.

[Jason Kelce]

I didn't have time to feel that way until after the game because I was still trying to block Eric top.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Yeah. But after the game I felt that way. But after the game was finished, I think that that was. That that thought process was kind of removed. I thought it was like, okay, we're back.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Do you remember shaking me like this? Like after the Super Bowl? It wasn't after the Super Bowl. It was in the third, fourth quarter. You were shaking me and I was like, I had my pad in my hand and you would let. And you were going next. Playing out of his mind. We're gonna win. I was like, okay, bro. We gotta, gotta keep going. I. I'm on. It was right close to when we kicked the field goal. Elliot kicked a field goal. That field goal was huge.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. The big plays are obviously the Philly special, but fourth down conversions with earts.

[Jeff Stoutland]

There was so many.

[Jason Kelce]

All right, let's fast forward to the year that we weren't there. Yeah. What was special about that year? When did you know that that season, that, that team.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Well, that was true. Go ahead.

[Jordan Mailata]

I mean, to me, I didn't. It didn't feel like there was like a moment.

[Jason Kelce]

Sure.

[Jordan Mailata]

It just was like each game was its own every week. If there was a game I could pick, probably be that LA Rams game. And at so far.

[Jason Kelce]

Keep picking on the Rams. Yeah. All right.

[Jeff Stoutland]

What it is, man. It is what it is, man. That was that really the one in so far.

[Jordan Mailata]

That was the. That was the one game where I thought like Sunday night we played lights out and it was a. Just complete domination up front in the run game. And it was, it felt like a very complete game for us.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jordan Mailata]

Defense was playing lights out. And I think that was probably the moment for me at least where like, hey man, we have something special very late in the season. But how we were playing or how I was playing that season was just kind of taking each game.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jordan Mailata]

Week to week. And I mean, everyone's talking about bye week after the bye week, week five, Browns come out, home game. That's when we started. We started our little win streak.

[Jason Kelce]

How was that thinking?

[Jordan Mailata]

And you know, it was. We just won. So, you know, I was the ignition, I guess the igniter for the. The way we. We kind of went on. But I'm going to say, what about you?

[Jeff Stoutland]

Well, when, when Howie, you know, was able to get Saquon to come here, I felt like. And watching him, these guys, we talked about some of these other players here earlier, but those guys don't come around very often. And watching some of the things that he was able to do and I just felt like with the offensive line that we had combined with him and really the whole running back group, that we would have some great things that would happen. And all he needed was if we could block them up front and create the voids needed any given play at any given time could go to distance. Yeah, he had that breakaway speed. He had the ability to see stuff, whether it be front side or backside. And there were so many plays during the course of the season that were big, you know, that were chunk runs even on Third down. We were running the ball against these exotic defensive fronts in putting the fear of God in people like, you want to play this front, go ahead. And so, yeah, I just. I just think that was a huge part of. And we were so. The players were so confident. Much like the quarterback sneak play. The confidence level that you guys had running that play two years ago was like, there's no way this is stop organized mass. And by the way, all these combination blocks that you talked about and these techniques that are individual, that is organized mass. But it's two.

[Jason Kelce]

You're right.

[Jeff Stoutland]

It's all organized. It's all mentality of organized mass. The teaching is all the same. And so you just. And the confidence level, you know, of the players. I felt that way with the run game with him, with Saquon. And the players did such a great job of executing all these combination blocks, getting to the second level, finishing. And we wrote it. We stayed with it all year.

[Jason Kelce]

Right.

[Jordan Mailata]

Just one of those things, I guess, the momentum at the right time. We peaked at the right time. And we just read that momentum, you

[Jason Kelce]

have the talent while everything else is coming together.

[Brent Selleck]

I think something has to be said about when you have a running back that is that good. I just feel like the O line, the tight ends, everybody just blocks that much harder. Like when we had legared in 2017.

[Jordan Mailata]

Yeah.

[Brent Selleck]

You know, really all our running backs in 2017. But like those guys that just bring it, you don't want your guy to make the tackle.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. When they're going balls to the wall, all out, running hard, it makes you block harder. And it's the same thing as style, execution feels emotion. So like, the more success you're having with something, the more you're excited to do it.

[Jordan Mailata]

Yeah. Saga was basically at our bench the whole year just talking about plays that just whatever happened on that drive, he was like, let's fix it up. What happened? It's all to me. And he clear up his vision. Then we got there and boom.

[Jeff Stoutland]

He would do a flyby and he would say that one guy, you get that one guy, I'm gone. The next time we get that one guy. So then you'd see him finishing on the backside. I could pull out some clips. I know exactly what plays what games on the backside where he's just straining and straining. Whereas when he was young, he didn't know how to do that. He didn't even know how to have a clue how to strain, how to finish. But that pops the run for the touchdown Kansas City game. I Mean, I can go the LA game, I can go through the list of him on the backside where he's straining and finishing. And Saquon would do a flyby and say, just get that one guy.

[Jason Kelce]

You got an endless amount of sayings. You got hungry. Dogs aren't faster. No man is an eye on him. Astrology drinks from others. Execution fuels emotion. There's some funnier ones though, out there. You said, I don't know that guy from Adam's house cat before. I still don't know what that means or where it came from.

[Jordan Mailata]

I thought it was an American saying. So I said it to Nikki and Nikki goes, I don't. That's not a thing.

[Jeff Stoutland]

I was like, what do you mean? I'm like, what do you mean it's not a thing?

[Jordan Mailata]

Like, Stout says it all the time.

[Jeff Stoutland]

I was like, that must be a

[Jordan Mailata]

Stoutism, because I've never heard of that. So who is Adam's house cat?

[Jeff Stoutland]

Coach Saban would say that he doesn't know Adam's house cat was somebody's cat.

[Jason Kelce]

What about pound and salt a buffet lady's ass?

[Jeff Stoutland]

That's just a visionary of visionary age.

[Jason Kelce]

Tough running foot. What do you call a wide open gaping hole? What's that called?

[Jeff Stoutland]

Oh, my God, that's Al Barber. That's Al Barber. I'll defer that to Al because he owns cows. There you go.

[Jason Kelce]

Listen, we're get. We're kind of being funny here though. Yeah, but one of the things I think made you an outstanding coach was it wasn't just a lecture at the top of the meeting room. There was. You would say these things or pick your voice up in a way to institute. You used to call it a hook, which was if you wanted a player to remember something, you say, this is the hook. This is. You would say these phrases or these little things technique wise to get the player to remember it so that when they're out on the field, there was. They would, they would snap and they would know exactly what we talked about in the meeting. True.

[Jeff Stoutland]

And also, if you remember, and I don't know, I don't know why, I think sometimes I would even go drift off into a life lesson and I would raise my voice and I'd be like, look, you're not doing this forever. This situation is going to come later on in life. Do the right thing. Save yourself a lot of grief or whatever. Or whatever that situation was. We spent so much time together, all of us, and you get to know each other so well. You get to know your girlfriends. You get to know your wives, our wife, my wife.

[Jason Kelce]

Shout out to Allison.

[Jeff Stoutland]

You just get the. The feeling of caring about someone so much that if you could do something just a little bit to maybe help a guy later on, and I would do that occasionally in. In our. In our meetings, you just said,

[Jason Kelce]

don't make the mistake because you're not. Immediately, I thought of what's. What's the one. 80 of the time. The easy way is the wrong way.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

You want to take the easy route, and it's great in the moment, but usually it ends up backfiring on you in the long run.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

What would be one thing that you would want people to know about Stout and, like, how he is as a coach? It's not like a misunderstood thing. But what do you think makes Stout a great coach?

[Jordan Mailata]

For me, how much of a father figure he was?

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. It wasn't just about the coaching. It was everything he just said it was like caring about you as a person.

[Jordan Mailata]

10 minutes. And it's just like that.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jordan Mailata]

Yeah, Just like that.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jordan Mailata]

I mean, everyone thinks that, you know, everyone thinks they know, like, what kind of father figure he is, but. Yeah, for me, moving here was just. I just turned 21.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jordan Mailata]

Big family guy. Left my family back home,

[Jason Kelce]

left my

[Jeff Stoutland]

parents

[Brent Selleck]

and

[Jordan Mailata]

this crazy guy who believes in this kid who never played football before and was trying to make a name for himself. And I can't get over how he was always consistent. He was always there, but he always believed in me, and he was always the last one to believe in me. And it wasn't like the lessons on the field are, you know, that's. That's his job. That's his job as a coach. But the lessons he taught me as a man, but always showing up as a father figure for me when, you know, my family's so far away. And, I mean, he knows. Probably doesn't know, but, like, right now, I'll call you Papa.

[Jeff Stoutland]

You know that.

[Jordan Mailata]

You know, I'll call you Papa like

[Jeff Stoutland]

he's always called me because.

[Jordan Mailata]

Just that I just needed for me, I needed. I felt like I was a young man. Come here. Didn't really know who I was, you know, really still a young adult, you know, I didn't know what I stood for, what I was going to stand for, what I believed in. And he just. For me, he kind of set me in my ways of hard work beats everything. But I thought I knew. I mean, he said it earlier, like, I thought I knew what hard work looked like, but I didn't. Know anything. I was young, I was very naive, and Stout has taught me so much about the one thing and. But this year, too, Kel, everything I try to do is emulate how you led. And then I just carry that on to the next group as best I could. The way I practiced, the way I finished every snap where I played in games. But it just started from Coach Stout and it started with you. And I just pick and choose what I needed to do to become the player that I became and what I've become. And, man, I just. I'm very lucky to be in this situation where, you know, I've had a great coach, a great locker room and people to bring me along, needed to do that.

[Jason Kelce]

It's one of the reasons I think the Eagles have been so successful is even throughout change, they've kept pieces in part. So, like, I learned from Brent and Todd and those guys learned from Dawkins, and like, there's been a transition period with the Eagles where players have learned from players. You were the offensive line coach for the Philadelphia Eagles through four different head coaches. How many times does that happen in the NFL? Never. Not that I know of.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Jason Kelce]

What Jordy just said is beautiful, and I'll piggyback on that. I feel the same way, but I also feel like the hungry dogs run faster is what you've been as a coach. There's been a hunger and a desire to get, like, in a genuine caring for your players that has allowed all of these guys to maximize their ability. And I don't think it's just. It's any surprise that a guy that's never played football, that has all the physical attributes, has turned into one of the best tackles in the league. Guys have come from other places, castaways. Makai, Beckton. And nobody wants him anymore, comes here, wins a Super bowl, has a career year. You get the best out of him, you get the best out of me, you get the best. I mean, it's endless. And the technique. Absolutely. The plays, the guys next to you. But the overwhelming thing is you could not go into that fucking room without being ready each and every day. You weren't going to accept it, so everybody had to acknowledge that. So for that, we all, as former players, thank you from the bottom of our hearts. You gave us everything you had, and as players, that's all you want. I don't know what's next for you. I mean, I know you're taking the year off, whether you coach again or whatever you do. I just consider It a great blessing. I think all of us that were Philadelphia Eagles that were with you do so. Thanks, coach.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Thank you. I love you guys. I really appreciate doing this. This is brought up some really, really good memories. I can't tell you guys enough how when I think of my time coaching you, Jason and you and doing our mate blocks and doing our and stuff that we did as a group, the joy that brings me and the happiness that that brings me because you guys believed in me, you trusted me. All I was able to do. I think there's a very important little point here with all the stuff we've talked about. But if you find one thing about a player like you like, I would say to you, Jason, could you imagine what you could be like if you just used your hands right? If you just had a little bit narrower base in your stance and you didn't overextend and full step. Don't get crazy on me. Just listen to me. If you could just apply this and try this. This is going to go like this. Get the backside arm on that cutoff block. Don't use. Don't use that too well.

[Jason Kelce]

That's because I used to freaking loop outside here and then it's.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Yeah. And so. Or I would say, I would show Jordan. If you just kick us twice. And this is from Jason Peters, right from him, right from his Bible, he'd say, kick us. Kick as fast you can twice and get to that spot. You just get to that spot, all good things are going to happen. And he'd say. And I would listen to him. I'd say, he goes. That's all I do. I don't care about anything. I just tell Kelsey to tell me who to. I don't want to be bogged down. I want to get to that spot. Nobody did it better than him. And then Lane would watch and then he would do it. And so to watch all this stuff go on and happen was so much. It was like a magic. It was like an artist painting a painting. It was like so beautiful and so much fun. And so for that I thank you guys from the bottom of my heart.

[Jason Kelce]

You're the best. Out. What? I gotta. I forgot to ask him who. Who are you gonna miss most in the building? Because we're talking about his players. But I think you were maybe even more loved by the staff and the way he treated them, 100%. T. Roy's asked me already four times about how you doing. I think Ty might be the most upset of everybody.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Yeah, I gave T. She's wearing a lot of my T shirts in my short is a hard working guy and he's been around a long time. Like myself and everybody, the support staff in that building, the cafeteria people. Cause I get up, I'm an early bird. So I would always see Ms. Keisha and I would see Charles down there and the early guys and Roman and those guys would all be there early and we'd have a little coffee together. And then, you know, you got Pat Dolan and his crew up there and all those guys that have helped over the years. And then Steve O. In the training room with like, I can't tell you for so many years that, you know, giving. I, I would also say here's another one that you forgot was give of yourself to your teammates. Yeah. How much are you willing to give of yourself to your teammates? Well, that building is loaded with people who are, who give of themselves to the players. The coaches just try to help and make their job a little bit easier. You know what? That. Not everybody's like that. So that was a special place for me and all those people. Very special to me.

[Jordan Mailata]

Thanks, Tony.

[Jeff Stoutland]

Yep. Thank you, guys.

[Jason Kelce]

And that wraps up another bonus episode of New Heights. Thank you to Jeff Stoutland, my man, Brent Selig, Jordan Mulatta, Travis. Well done. We'll have some more bonus content for you all in May, so stay tuned to what that might be.

[Travis Kelce]

Ooh. Once again, New Heights of Wonder show brought to you by Planet Fitness. I'm about to go hit the gym right now. Follow the show on all social media at. At New Heights Show. We're going to have a bunch of fun clips after that one. And thanks to our production and crew. We appreciate you so very much, so deeply. And to the 92 percenters, hopefully you enjoyed it. We'll see you next week.