Best of Rory & Mal: Week 9/8

Summary

New Rory & Mal – "Best of Rory & Mal: Week 9/8" (Sept 14, 2025) — Detailed Episode Summary

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Episode Overview

In this episode of the “New Rory & Mal” podcast, the hosts deliver a weekly roundup featuring wild stories, candid conversations, music hot takes, and boisterous debates. Key highlights include a personal story about Aaliyah, nuanced commentary on R&B’s evolution, an impassioned debate about co-parenting and last names (with a focus on Ciara, Future, and Russell Wilson), and a deep dive into the phenomenon of NBA YoungBoy’s fanbase. The crew also takes an entertaining look at dangerous concerts, plus a spirited discussion comparing the legacies, dance chops, and influence of Michael Jackson, Chris Brown, Beyoncé, and Usher.

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Key Topics & Insights

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1. Aaliyah Stories & Reflections

02:40 – 10:45

• Peach reminisces about being snuck into the 2001 NBA All-Star Game by Aaliyah in D.C., using a “pass the ticket” trick.
  • “Aaliyah like, yo, you got a ticket? I was like, nah... she kind of, like, did this move right here and, like, handed me her ticket. My OG move.” (Peach, 02:47-03:17)
  • The crew laughs about how packed the suite was with far more guests than there were tickets.
• The conversation turns somber as Peach describes being with Aaliyah in the Hamptons shortly before she died, recalling chilling details about her belongings still being at the summer house.
  • “...her lotion, her toiletries, makeup, sneakers, was, like, still in the room...that almost felt like an unreal moment.” (Peach, 05:00)
• The hosts reflect on the profound impact of Aaliyah’s sudden, tragic loss, drawing parallels to the youthful deaths of icons like Biggie and Tupac.
  • “That was one of the more dark, sad moments I think I could remember...Aaliyah's death, because it was so tragic and sudden...” (Peach, 07:02)

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2. Aaliyah’s Enduring R&B Influence

08:04 – 11:53

• The crew, led by Rory’s co-host and Peach, posit that Aaliyah’s creative DNA is woven into the current/new wave of R&B.
  • “I've always felt like Aaliyah is the Biggie of R&B. The time that she had here, the blueprint that was left for everyone, the current R&B...her DNA is all over...” (Rory's Co-host, 08:04)
• They note her specific influence on contemporary artists, including Mariah the Scientist and SZA.
  • “Mariah the Scientist, reminds me of Aaliyah a lot...her tone and everything. Like, it gave me Aaliyah.” (Peach, 09:22)
• The segment reflects on the remarkable achievements of Aaliyah, Biggie, and Tupac — all in their early 20s.

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3. The Great Co-Parenting & Last Name Debate (Ciara, Future, Russell Wilson)

12:20 – 25:52

• The crew dives into Ciara adding Russell Wilson’s last name to her son’s (with Future) — sparking a lively debate on parenting, naming rights, and ego.
  • “That baby lives 24/7 with his stepdad and has since he was 1 years old. So why is it not okay...to add the name on?” (Rory, 13:35)
  • Rory’s co-host argues: “Adding the last name typically only happens when the father has either passed away or is completely like, you don’t even know where that motherfucker is.” (Rory’s Co-host, 14:08)
  • Peach sums up: “He still has Future’s last name. He just added the Wilson. Okay. Respect.” (Peach, 15:20)
• The group examines societal attitudes, the symbolism of last names, and the impact on children in blended families.
  • “My last name means a lot to me, so I’m hyphenating regardless. But I’ve dealt with men that were like, 'I’m not with that.'...It’s all just ego based to me.” (Rory, 24:50)
  • “I think I just want kids to be happy and healthy, man.” (Peach, 25:49)

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4. NBA YoungBoy: Exploding Fanbase & Concert Energy

30:25 – 44:44

• The hosts marvel at NBA YoungBoy's rise and the passionate energy of his live shows.
  • “He entering into my old ass stratosphere of old people, right? … NBA Young Boy shows look lit.” (Rory, 30:28)
  • “Seeing NBA Youngboy shows is definitely like, confirmation that I’m just old. I don’t know one NBA Youngboy like, song. And like, I’m watching the clips and I love seeing the entire, like, stadium...but it’s kind of like I’m looking at this shit like, oh, this is a whole part of the culture that I have no idea about.” (Peach, 31:07)
• There’s a collective amazement at how YoungBoy commands arenas with quality sometimes secondary to raw fan connection.
  • “Some of his most classic records are like two track that I don’t even know how it could sound in an arena, yet when I see the footage, it looks like J. Cole's performing.” (Rory's Co-host, 33:26)
• The group jokes about feeling out-of-place at his shows, safety at different venues (Newark vs. Barclays), and generational divides in music fandom.
  • “I feel like I gotta wear shiesty. If I go, though…They will beat the shit out of me. First of all, they gonna think I’m a narc. They’re like, who this? Police says a suit at an NBA youngboy show. No, no, you can’t dress like we going to the GZ orchestra show.” (Peach, 40:54)
  • Memorable mention of viral TikToks, mosh pits, fans losing themselves, and nostalgia for “I’m a Boss”/“Dreams and Nightmares” levels of concert energy.

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5. Most Dangerous Shows & Backstage Stories

45:13 – 50:19

• The guys swap war stories about performing and attending shows that turned tense or violent, including New York venues, DJ booth threats, and chaotic Jersey events.
  • “There was so much tension in that small, small venue...The one time been a show where I’m like, I don’t know if it’s worth staying in here.” (Rory’s Co-host, 46:37)

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6. Chris Brown vs. Michael Jackson, Beyoncé & Usher: Dancer Debate & Choreography Appreciation

51:04 – 61:49

• They discuss Chris Brown’s humble social posts about being compared to icons, and whether he’s a better dancer than MJ, Beyoncé, or Usher.
  • “I do believe Chris Brown is a better dancer than Michael Jackson.” (Peach, 51:46)
  • “Did Michael Jackson invent the moonwalk or…just made it iconic?” (Rory's Co-host, 52:50)
• The panel breaks down what makes choreography “iconic,” comparing the accessibility of moves like Single Ladies and Thriller to Chris and Usher’s more technically challenging routines.
  • “The reason why Single Ladies is so popular is...the choreography, like White Housewives at home were at home doing this. Like, it’s super easy. It’s simple and easy to remember.” (Rory, 55:47)
• Rory lobbies for more public appreciation of choreographers in pop music.
  • “I want justice for choreographers. Like, is there a list? Why did they not get as much shine as even engineers get?” (Rory's Co-host, 58:28)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Aaliyah’s Impact:
  • “The current R&B...her DNA is all over...Her span was what, five years? And look at what she did in that five years...It’s stamped forever.” (Rory's Co-host, 10:25)
• On Naming & Ego:
  • “My last name means a lot to me, so I'm hyphenating regardless...But I’ve dealt with men that were like, 'I'm not with that.'...So it's all just ego based to me.” (Rory, 24:50)
  • “I just want kids to be happy and healthy, man.” (Peach, 25:49)
• On NBA YoungBoy’s Tour:
  • “...the energy is what is a trap. I’m like, oh, shit. Like, this is a show.” (Peach, 31:31)
  • “I feel like you’ll get chased out because I feel like his fans know...like you ain’t supposed to be here. This ain’t for you. Don’t try to jump on now...” (Peach, 32:51)
• Chris Brown v. Michael Jackson:
  • “Chris Brown is a better dancer than Michael Jackson...Michael Jackson is obviously the one that all artists and entertainers aspire to kind of be like. But it's okay to have artists that come after that are better vocalists...better dancers...” (Peach, 51:46)
• Concert Energy vs. Generational Disconnect:
  • “I want to feel that ‘I’m a Boss’ feeling again. The ‘in Paris’ feeling. Like, I haven’t had that feeling in a while.” (Rory, 35:12)
  • “I don’t know if I’m gonna have more kids. Most of my cousins are, so...Amara, you hyphenate that.” (Rory's Co-host, 25:30)

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Important Timestamps for Key Segments

• Aaliyah remembrance & All-Star Game story: 02:40 – 10:45
• Aaliyah’s R&B legacy: 08:04 – 11:53
• Naming, parenting, and ego (Ciara-Future-Wilson debate): 12:20 – 25:52
• NBA YoungBoy fanbase, concert culture: 30:25 – 44:44
• “Dangerous show” stories: 45:13 – 50:19
• Chris Brown vs. MJ, choreographer appreciation: 51:04 – 61:49

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Tone and Style

The episode is lively, irreverent, and honest, mixing humor and nostalgia with real talk. The hosts banter candidly but don’t shy away from heavier moments, particularly reflecting on loss and legacy. Their playful disagreements are underlined by mutual respect. Pop culture references and personal experiences keep the show grounded as a touchpoint for both casual and serious listeners.

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If you missed this episode, expect laughter, powerful music insights, nostalgia-driven storytelling, and some genuinely thought-provoking discussion about co-parenting, cultural influence, and the shifting sands of music fandom.

Transcript

[Rory]

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[Peach]

The volume Aaliyah Snuck Me in the All Star game.

[Rory]

Who?

[Rory's Co-host]

That's far.

[Rory]

Really?

[Peach]

In 2001 when we went to DC cause she had a skybox. We had a suite. But when we. On the way there, obviously it was right in D.C. a bunch of people came down. So it was like, yo, it ain't tickets for everybody, but we got a suite. So you don't need to be sitting down in the suite, but you need a ticket to get into the building. So we get there, and I'm walking, and then Aaliyah like, yo, you got a ticket? I was like, nah. She was like, damn. So what happened was because we all walked up at the same time. They didn't scan him. They just wanted you to show the ticket. So everybody showed the ticket. So I'm standing right behind Aaliyah. So she showed her ticket. Dame was standing there with her, and she kind of, like, did this move right here and, like, handed me her ticket. My OG Move.

[Rory's Co-host]

Yeah.

[Peach]

And I just flashed the ticket, and we all got in, and we was just dying. Yo, it was about 50 of us in that skybox, and it was only, like, 20 tickets.

[Rory's Co-host]

That's always.

[Rory]

That.

[Rory's Co-host]

That's always the greatest shit, is just passing the bands and passing.

[Peach]

Oh, my God. That was a classic weekend, that weekend in D.C. yeah.

[Rory]

You always got a story.

[Rory's Co-host]

Every time you talk about it, you.

[Rory]

Got a different story from it.

[Rory's Co-host]

For real? Yeah. I mean, before, it was hov. Taking a girl, and we talked about that, but you completely left out that Aaliyah snuck you into the game.

[Rory]

And then he also said Bow. He was in a section of chilling with Bow Wow that same year.

[Peach]

Yeah. At the. I think the name of the club was Zanzibar in DC at the time.

[Rory's Co-host]

Sounds like a juice bar now in Brooklyn.

[Peach]

Name of the club was, like, Zanzibar or something like that. Nelly was on fire at that time. He was performing. Our hotel was where everybody was staying, the players were staying.

[Rory's Co-host]

Yeah.

[Peach]

I mean, every artist. D.C. yeah, every. Every artist that was down there was staying there. Like, that shit was crazy. That was, like, definitely one of the best weekends ever.

[Rory]

Well, I mean, I'm. It's not to make anything morbid, but do you know how beautiful of a blessing that is that you had that weekend? Six months before Aaliyah died? Aaliyah died six months later.

[Peach]

Six.

[Rory's Co-host]

Jesus.

[Peach]

What? I was in. We were in. We were together the week before she died in the Hamptons. When we found out she died, we was in the Hamptons at the house, and it was crazy because, like, her, like, in the room, like, her lotion, her toiletries, makeup, sneakers, was, like, still in the Room.

[Rory]

Oh, my God. That was a freak. Oh, my God. That is.

[Peach]

Yeah, that was like this around this time in August in the Hamptons. So imagine getting that call and, like, being in the same house that y' all was all just in the week before. Cause it was the summer house in the Hamptons, and you could still physically see toiletries and sneakers. You know how crazy that was? Like, thinking back, that was like. That almost felt like an unreal moment. And then seeing it. Kurt Loader, I think, broke it on mtv. Obviously, we knew before MTV announced it. And then my brother, God bless Biggs and Bob, they left. They went back to the city because Dane was just. He was fucked up. And so they left the Hamptons and drove back down to the city, and we was all just sitting in the house just like, this shit can't be real. It was the crazy. We had the two way pages, so everybody was getting the messages on their two ways. It was crazy, but it was eerie because, again, the pool, everybody was just in at the same house, literally the weekend before.

[Rory's Co-host]

Yeah.

[Peach]

You know what I'm saying? You know how crazy. Like, that was, like. And you still physically seeing stuff that she was like that. Those are her things. Some of her things. Like, that's how crazy of a, like, eerie feeling that that was like, what? Like, this cannot be real. And it. Yeah, just passed, right? Yeah, because we. September. Yeah, it just passed a couple weeks ago. Yeah. No, it was like. That was. Damn. 24 years ago.

[Rory's Co-host]

How. How much did that, like, derail everything that was going on? Because she was cool with. With everybody.

[Peach]

Yeah. Like, no, she'll leave.

[Rory's Co-host]

She was hanging out with softball games. I mean.

[Peach]

Yeah, she was one of the. She was. She was part of the crew. Yeah, that was. That was the homie, man. That was. You know, that was. She was. She was like the prototypical. My girlfriend could hang around and got my home.

[Rory's Co-host]

Yeah.

[Peach]

Like, it was that type of thing. Like, looking back, everybody was young because she was only, what, 21.

[Rory's Co-host]

22. 22. I think she was 22 when she passed. Yeah.

[Peach]

Yeah, man. So it was like. Everybody was young, man. It was shit. 24 years ago. That's crazy. But, yeah. Nah, it was. It was definitely a. A sad, like, super. That was one of the more dark, sad moments I think I could remember, obviously, when my brother passed is probably the most crushing thing ever. But Aaliyah's death, because it was so tragic and sudden and, you know, obviously, you know, it was just like, what. You know what I'm saying? She was so young when you think about it, it was definitely one of the craziest times. But it was definitely a fun moment, though. A fun moment in time. Like, those years was definitely a lot of fun, a lot of laughs, a lot of good memories. But, yeah, definitely some heartbreaking shit, though. Just thinking about. Cause I remember I thought I was. I wanted to talk about that last week, I think, when it was the anniversary and it just slipped my mind. But now thinking about it, talking about All Star Weekend and Aaliyah's definitely giving me a ticket, sneaking me in the All Star game.

[Rory's Co-host]

Yeah. I mean, I. I've always felt like. And it may sound like a crazy sentence, but I've always felt like Aaliyah is the. The biggie of R B. The time that she had here, the blueprint that was left for everyone, the current R and B. That what we talk about, like, everyone now is Dwayne, Chief Keef, like, you know, the. The influences we talk about of how everyone makes music now. Her DNA is all over the new wave of R and B. I think it may be the most direct person to everything that R and B is now. Like, from fashion to how she sung to how she put. Constructed her actual records. To me, it's all Aaliyah. Like, every last bit of it is. Is Aaliyah. To me, the whole new wave of R and B, even on the male side, to me, is Aaliyah like.

[Rory]

Yeah, I would have. I would say Aaliyah and Brandi, of course.

[Rory's Co-host]

Of course. But even, like, with modern, like, even when traditional R and B sort of came back after Aaliyah's passing In the. The mid 2000s, a bit like with Keisha, Cole, et cetera, the wave that came in from Jana on is all Aaliyah.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Rory's Co-host]

Every last bit of that is Aaliyah. From the attitude to the look to how you sing everything to me, is Aaliyah like, to me.

[Peach]

The funny thing, one of the times she had. Mariah the scientist, reminds me of Aaliyah a lot.

[Rory's Co-host]

Yeah.

[Peach]

Like, I was listening to her album, listen to her music. Like, her tone and everything. Like, it gave me Aaliyah. Like that. That whole sound and that texture.

[Rory]

Like, it's very soft.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Rory's Co-host]

Even on SOS SZA's last project, like, it was a little more poppy. But did y' all not get Aaliyah's DNA all over? That is a project like Scissors Aaliyah.

[Rory]

To me.

[Rory's Co-host]

Yeah, all of them are. Are very much that. Where traditional R B has shifted. I think Aaliyah was also that for her era, like, she wasn't traditional R B. She was making something new. That was different with Missy and Tim. And yeah, now she.

[Peach]

Damn. When you think about 22, that is crazy.

[Rory's Co-host]

But that's why I'm saying, even with. With Big, like, you think about the time we talk about the Pocket Big, which is an era of what, three years, four years? Like Aaliyah, obviously, she was. When agent nothing. Nothing but number came out. She was young, but her span was what, four or five years?

[Peach]

Five years.

[Rory's Co-host]

Five years.

[Peach]

Five. Maybe. Maybe five.

[Rory's Co-host]

Maybe five. And look at what she did in that five year. Like, it's a. It's stamped forever for what you did in five. Before he was 22. I was a idiot at 22. Yeah, I'm an idiot now. But, like, look at what you did in this time before you was 23 years old.

[Peach]

When I look at pictures of big now, like, it's crazy how I could see exactly how young he was. Like, when I look at photos of Biggie right now, I'm like, yo, he was a. He was a kid, bro. He was like, you look at pigs. I'm like, you could tell that's not. Like, he's no older than 23. Like, 24 years old. Like, it's crazy. We think about how young. Like, a lot's. Like, a lot of these drill rappers are older than Biggie was.

[Rory's Co-host]

Hell yeah.

[Peach]

You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like, it's crazy when you really think about that shit.

[Rory's Co-host]

Because he was 25. Doc was 25, right?

[Peach]

Yeah, but it's just like, when you. When I look at pictures now, like, really just look at his face, I'm like, man, he was so young, man.

[Rory's Co-host]

It's less about, like, the photo shoots and the videos. When the last Biggie doc on Netflix that I think Drock provided all, like, the footage for, that's when I watched it and I was an adult. Like, that is a. That's a child. Yeah, like, that literally looks like a child. A lot of this stuff, you know, photo shoots can make you look a little different. That video, that RAW video footage of, like, him and Drock in the hotel in L. A. M. That's a. That's a child. That is a baby right there. Yeah.

[Peach]

It's just that I was so young, you know, I'm saying, like, I was younger than he was, but now looking back, it's like I could see it all in his face. Like, he was. These was kids, man. Like, even Pac. Like, you look at pictures of Pac, photos It's like these was young boys running around, man, like with all the, you know, fame and attention and money and things like that, but they was essentially young 20 year old kids, man. Like, it's wild.

[Rory's Co-host]

You would have to have my. My jail call if I found out that you added another last name to my kid. Speaking of future.

[Rory]

Oh, you're so ridiculous.

[Rory's Co-host]

How am I ridiculous?

[Peach]

Talk to it.

[Rory]

First of all, he wouldn't have to find out because Sierra has full custody of her kids. So you. I'm sure she told him that it was happening. I'm sure it didn't. And first of all, it been happened. It came out a source close to Sierra, which is probably Sierra's.

[Rory's Co-host]

A source close to Sierra.

[Rory]

Source close.

[Rory's Co-host]

Sierra came out and said it was Jazzy. Faye came out and said what is.

[Peach]

The source close to you?

[Rory]

That happened a while ago. We're just now privy to it. That happened a while ago and that it was just added on.

[Rory's Co-host]

It's not like it's an Instagram name. It's not a. She didn't show a legal id, right?

[Rory]

No, they had the tennis, but I think, I think. No, I think it's official that like that his name, his last name has Wilson in it.

[Rory's Co-host]

Oh, nah, see, I.

[Rory]

No, but see, I. Okay, you fighting just to fight. We podcasting right now.

[Rory's Co-host]

Who's podcasting My Healed Heart?

[Peach]

He's a. He's a father.

[Rory's Co-host]

Okay, Crazy.

[Rory]

Okay, he's an active father. He has. He takes.

[Peach]

If.

[Rory]

If anybody was gonna have full custody of am would be you.

[Rory's Co-host]

I don't even like. I don't even like the term active father. Because I'm like, no, I'm a father.

[Rory]

Okay, you're a father. That baby lives 247 with his stepdad and has since he was 1 years old. So why is it not okay for him to add the name on. Be adopted by his stepdad and add the name on. What's wrong with that?

[Rory's Co-host]

Adopted?

[Rory]

He.

[Rory's Co-host]

He got two parents. What do you need to get adopted.

[Rory]

For people you can still get adopted even when you.

[Rory's Co-host]

I know. Those are the videos that make me cry the most, but it's not the same circumstance of two parents that are living.

[Rory]

Why isn't it. If one isn't, one is taking full care of him. That's his dad, bro.

[Rory's Co-host]

If again, this is other people's kids that we don't even know about this. If Little future calls Russell Dad. No, I mean, I get the stepdad. I think stepdads are important. I think it's healthy for that Entire thing. But adding the last name typically only happens when the father has either passed away or is completely like, you don't even know where that motherfucker is. We tried 23andMe. We tried everything to find this guy.

[Rory]

That'S changing the last name. She did not change it. She added one on because something that people brought one up. And again, we don't know these people's business. It's all speculation. Something that people brought up is the fact that everybody else in the household has the same last name. His brothers, his sisters, whatever. And he doesn't.

[Rory's Co-host]

He got 75 brothers and sisters with different last names.

[Rory]

Okay, but that's not his immediate family. Rory.

[Peach]

Oh, so she added. Will she wait.

[Rory's Co-host]

His siblings aren't his immediate families.

[Rory]

She added Wilson on.

[Peach]

Okay, so he still has his dad's name.

[Rory]

Yes. There's literally nothing wrong with that.

[Rory's Co-host]

There's literally. Oh, sure. No, I think outside looking in. It's a very healthy co parenting situation what they're doing. I'm just, I'm saying. Okay, so he still has no way another last name is being added.

[Peach]

He still has futures last like word. Okay, he still has futures last name. He just added the Wilson. Okay, Respect.

[Rory]

People have been. People have been talking about that dynamic since that baby.

[Peach]

So you know what I'm saying?

[Rory's Co-host]

Some real ignorance. Say it the same way with these rappers. After we find out some about them, we can't really like respect their lyrics. Talk about the cold thing. If I ever hear future rap an ounce of a violent lyric. I don't believe you. Everybody dying. Yeah, everybody's dying.

[Rory]

You're being ridiculous.

[Peach]

The mom is married, she's rematched, she's married to.

[Rory's Co-host]

Congrats. That's amazing. What that got to do with.

[Rory]

My son has full custody of her child. Okay, Full, full custody. You know what full custody is?

[Rory's Co-host]

I know what full custody.

[Rory]

Okay. That means I don't even gotta ask if his. I don't even gotta ask his daddy to take him out the country. I have full custody of my kid cuz I'm the only one taking care of this motherfucker. You no longer have a say. You keep speaking from an active dad's perspective. You're speaking from this perspective of active dad.

[Rory's Co-host]

That's all I'm speaking.

[Rory]

Okay, so then you can't speak on that situation, period.

[Peach]

I'm asking you because I don't know. Future's not active at all.

[Rory]

I'm sure he has a relationship with his kid, but when another one. When you give the mother full custody you know what that means?

[Peach]

Mall.

[Rory's Co-host]

You know, there's plenty of active fathers, real fathers, where the mother has full.

[Rory]

Custody, though that's usually joint. That's usually joint custody. That's. They usually have joint custody. Full custody is not just, I live with you full time and I get. And they get.

[Rory's Co-host]

No, no, no.

[Rory]

Full custody is legally.

[Peach]

They have joint custody.

[Rory]

Legally. That's what this is. AI be wrong sometimes, but the future.

[Peach]

But his son lives primarily with Sierra.

[Rory]

When it says, what is co parenting like for you? When somebody. I remember that interview. Somebody asked Sierra that. Sierra just started laughing.

[Peach]

See, I don't know what that. I hate when women do that because Sierra don't answer.

[Rory's Co-host]

Talk.

[Peach]

No laugh. You can laugh, but then, like, answer the question.

[Rory]

But I think. I think Ciara was trying to be respectful as possible and try to stay away from mess when they asked her.

[Peach]

I respect that. Sierra, she definitely does a great job of that. She doesn't end up in a lot of mess. But, yeah, I mean, I think they have joint custody. She's never prevented her son from seeing his dad, like, you know, but that is.

[Rory]

But again, again, I don't know. The source came out and said Sierra got full custody, and I don't. Sources like that don't usually just pop.

[Peach]

Russell Wilson is 34.

[Rory]

Yeah, he's young. Remember, he's young.

[Rory's Co-host]

He's. No, he's young.

[Rory]

He's young.

[Rory's Co-host]

He's considered a dinosaur in the NFL. He was like, when's this old gonna retire?

[Peach]

Russell Wilson is 34.

[Rory's Co-host]

He's younger than me. It's crazy, right? I hate getting older.

[Peach]

I thought he got drafted. Oh, he's 36. That's still. I thought.

[Rory's Co-host]

I thought.

[Peach]

I thought he got me drafted at 36.

[Rory]

Really?

[Peach]

I thought Russell Wilson was closer to 40 than 30. I thought he was way closer to 40 than 36.

[Rory]

Sierra's 39.

[Rory's Co-host]

He's 36.

[Peach]

Okay. Sierra's 39. That makes sense. Okay.

[Rory's Co-host]

Do we owe hove an apology?

[Peach]

For what?

[Rory's Co-host]

Future got got real bent out of shape with that. That bar on kill Jay Z. It appeared to be some prophecy there.

[Peach]

Yeah, right.

[Rory's Co-host]

You crashed out and it was. It was. Right.

[Peach]

Well, I mean, I don't.

[Rory's Co-host]

I mean, whatever's healthier for the kid.

[Peach]

Yeah, man, if. Listen, Russell Wilson stepped up, you know, he. He obviously. Him and Sierra obviously married. So, you know, Sierra wants to give her son, you know, the last name of Wilson added to Wilburn. So be it, man. As long as. As long as the, you know, as long as the child is raised with.

[Rory]

Love and it looks like he is.

[Peach]

It looks like.

[Rory's Co-host]

All right, but which one goes last?

[Rory]

I think Wilson is at the end.

[Peach]

Well, yeah, Wilson, because the Sierra's last name now is Wilson as well. Nah, he mean. Nah.

[Rory's Co-host]

You got it. Gotta be Wilson Wilburn. If we're going to add this into the mix, at least my last name needs to be the last one.

[Peach]

Okay. I mean, if that's how you feel, you know, you. You're a real dad. I can't argue with you on that. You know, I mean, so what?

[Rory's Co-host]

I mean, and the way. The way we see Russell playing with Future, like, and we know Future is a tall guy, it looks like he comes from a great gene pool. Little Future could make the league. What happens when Wilburn Wilson is on the back of the jersey? Like, that's gonna fly off the stands.

[Peach]

Yeah, well, it's gonna fly off the stand because of the Wilson.

[Rory's Co-host]

Or what happens when.

[Peach]

And who his stepdad is.

[Rory's Co-host]

But what happens if Sierra does, like, a chair choreography dance with her son's jersey and it just says Wilson on the back?

[Peach]

Well, that's her last name.

[Rory's Co-host]

No, but it's his jersey. She's wearing her. Her son's jersey.

[Peach]

Okay. Everyone's dying, I feel. Listen, man, look at what you.

[Rory]

I just think that's completely ego driven. It's so ego driven. And it's like. That's completely ego driven.

[Rory's Co-host]

What is ego driven? Everything is. Of course I'm joking around, but, like, what is ego driven with that?

[Rory]

That's not ego driven. You don't think that you worrying about yo my son's last name when you are not there every day with your son, somebody else is.

[Rory's Co-host]

You're that worried about my name is my name. My name has my daddy's blood on it.

[Peach]

Like, got my daddy's blood on it.

[Rory]

Does your blood mean.

[Rory's Co-host]

What are you talking. Nothing is more important than your last name, your legacy, your family. Y.

[Rory]

Nothing more important than your last name, your legacy. What about your son that you don't have full time, that you'd rather run around?

[Rory's Co-host]

You and I are talking. Future's not in the room. I don't know Future. I don't know what he does with son. I'm telling you. Why you think I think that would be crazy. Yeah, that's nuts to me. And first of all, I'm also someone that was fine. Like, even with Kia. If you wanted to hyphenate that and say Jacob Farrell, I'm fine with that. But adding somebody else in the mix with a Nate. No, the. The name means something.

[Rory]

Yeah, it means something. The person that sitting there. Right.

[Rory's Co-host]

I got a tattoo like an idiot at 14 years old. My family crest. Because that just what you did. Because you didn't. Like, I forget my last name for some reason, but yeah, that is very much important. No, is your last name not important to y'?

[Rory]

All. And it's still there. Exactly. Like, I. Like I just. The confusion. Like, the confusion is so crazy. Peach said you can prevent that by just, like, being a good dad.

[Rory's Co-host]

I'm saying future is not in this room. We don't know him. I'm talking you and I like. To me, yes, I would have a huge.

[Rory]

What I'm saying.

[Rory's Co-host]

And we also don't know. And I'm putting anything on Sierra. I'm sure there's been plenty of times where there's been women that have held their child away from the father because they got a new relationship. Like, let's not act like all women are the most amazing mothers and don't use their kid as a weapon.

[Rory]

Okay? But we weren't talking about that. We were talking about the future situation.

[Rory's Co-host]

I know.

[Peach]

I don't know anything about their dynamic with their child. So I don't. I don't know.

[Rory's Co-host]

That's why I was saying off what Peach said, you could just be a good father. And I'm saying there's also women that have had children with good fathers that they keep away from their kid for sure. Get a new relationship. I'mma just spite you and add this last name here. Like, let's not act like that doesn't exist.

[Peach]

For sure. Absolutely.

[Rory]

Yeah, but how.

[Rory's Co-host]

Like, to me, playing with last names is like a.

[Rory]

When people. When people say that, it's just like, yes, there are. I'm sure there's women that are just so upset and they just, you know, you're such a good dad, but they just want to keep the baby away from you. But let's be honest. How often does that really happen? You're really a great dad, but they want to keep the baby away from you. They want to keep their kid 247 to be a single mom and had his bad motherfucker living in this house with me 24 7. But you're such a great dad, they won't give him to you. How often do you think that really happens?

[Rory's Co-host]

Let's. Let's talk about the rapper from Atlanta that put nobody on his verse on Donda Andre 3000. Hey, Miss Donda. Can you ask my father if he felt insecure that he did my last Name. My mama probably did it out of spite. It happens all the time. Like, what do we. He literally rapped about a healthy relationship of just young people having a kid. And out of spite, because she was in her feelings, and a young lady that didn't know what she was doing was mad at the dad. His dad's last name is not Benjamin. That's his mother's last name. Okay, but that's probably did it out of spite.

[Rory]

But that's okay. We're talking about him having his mother's last name, not another man's last name. Or keeping away from. Keeping the kid away from his dad. We're talking about a last name.

[Rory's Co-host]

I'm saying people, not just women, do things out of spite. And the last name is a big thing.

[Rory]

Yes. Okay. But that was a completely different conversation.

[Rory's Co-host]

I'm purposely giving my son my last name even though my father is active right here. But she's doing it out of spite because they are in a rocky relationship.

[Rory]

Okay, just because Andre said that on a song also does not mean that. That's just that. Because also, if we're not. If we're not married. Why does my son have your last name and not mine? Why does your. Why is your last name more important that my son, who I pushed out of my pussy, should have a different last name than me because of misogyny. Exactly.

[Peach]

Oh, cool.

[Rory's Co-host]

Yeah, but.

[Rory]

Exactly.

[Rory's Co-host]

But Andre 2000 didn't say. Okay, because the world has been misogynistic since the day of time. He said, she probably did it out of spite.

[Rory]

Yeah, because he.

[Rory's Co-host]

No, I'm with you. That's why I even. I even said to kid, if you want to do the hyphenate. Like, there was one kid in my school that had the hyphenate thing, and we all thought he was a weirdo. But, you know, that kid usually ends up weird that has the hyphen. But I'm here for the hyphen. The kid with the hyphen ends up a little weird.

[Rory]

That's not true.

[Rory's Co-host]

It's very true.

[Peach]

I feel like find out. I feel like it's a study on that somewhere. I feel like we could.

[Rory's Co-host]

That kid ends up. But because I do agree that a lot of that is based off ancient misogyny where the father just the last name goes to the kid. I was here for the hyphen. Keith was like, no, should mar just have your last name? But I was. I was open to it. I was definitely not against it at all.

[Rory]

My kid will have a hyphen. Whether I'm married or not.

[Rory's Co-host]

I respect that. Matter of fact, I don't know if I'm gonna have more kids.

[Rory]

Will have a hyphen whether I'm married or not. My kid. Even if I get married, my name. My last name will be hyphenated. So my last name means a lot to me. A lot to me. I never said last names don't matter. Rory, you were. You're being obtuse on purpose. I never said last names didn't matter. My last name means a lot to me, so I'm hyphenating regardless. But I've dealt with men that were like, I'm not with that. And I was like, I didn't plan on marrying you anyway. But some men don't like that, which is just so. It's all just ego based to me. Like, my kid will have my last name. Yeah, so will mine. It will have my last name too. My grandfather put a name on my last name and so did his parents. So, like, yeah, my. Means a lot to me. It could be.

[Rory's Co-host]

Yeah. All right. I don't know if I'd have more kids. Most of my. My cousins are. Are so it. I have a girl. So like the feral legacy, at least in this part of the tree, like, may end. So yeah, Amara, you hyphenate that.

[Rory]

Exactly that.

[Rory's Co-host]

I just. Where I'm at with it.

[Peach]

I think I just want kids to be happy and healthy, man.

[Rory's Co-host]

No, it's about you. It's not about the kids. It's about how you feel.

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[Rory]

Boy blowing up, man.

[Peach]

Young.

[Rory]

Well, he been blew up. But like, I'm.

[Peach]

He's starting to say young boy blowing up.

[Rory]

I know, I'm sorry. That's why I corrected myself.

[Rory's Co-host]

Rappers ever.

[Rory]

That's why I corrected myself. He entering into my old ass stratosphere of old people, right? Who's still playing Eclipse album over and over again. Like, he's starting to go viral over here. I'm like, damn. Like, NBA Young Boy shows look lit.

[Peach]

Like, oh, no.

[Rory]

This looking like somebody to be at.

[Rory's Co-host]

A real, real fan base. But I do like seeing this because a lot of people, including myself, say, all right, you stream crazier than everyone can. You sell a ticket. Not only is he selling crazy, everyone knows every word. They're losing their mind. Kai is crying. Like, my bad.

[Peach]

Yeah. Seeing NBA Youngboy shows is definitely like, confirmation that I'm just old. I don't know one NBA Youngboy like, song. And like, I'm watching the clips and I love seeing the entire, like, stadium arena, everybody into it, everybody knowing. But it's kind of like I'm looking at this shit like, oh, this is a whole part of the culture that I have no idea about.

[Rory]

You look like the Jay Z mean.

[Rory's Co-host]

Where he was like, yeah, like I'm.

[Peach]

Cause like he getting his shit off. Like, he flowing and I'm just like. And I'm looking at, you know, just the audience and everybody knows all the lyrics and things like that. And I'm just like, the energy is what is a trap. I'm like, oh, shit. Like, this is a show. If you go out on stage as an artist, it is your only. It's your. Like, there's nothing probably greater than looking out into A fucking arena. And everybody knows every word you're saying. Like, that's an artist's dream, you know what I'm saying? So to see that and to see everybody so like just turnt up and you know what I'm saying that somebody from the. It's like, okay, this is a show. These are his fans, people that have been waiting to see him live. They couldn't wait for this moment. They couldn't wait for this tour to come to their city. This is what hip hop is about. Rapper comes on stage, everybody goes crazy. Nobody's trying to be cool. Everybody's standing on their seats, shirts off, rapping. The girls know all the lyrics, the guys know all the lyrics. That to me is just some incredible shit to witness.

[Rory]

But so we going. I feel like we should go as a social experiment.

[Peach]

I don't know if that's the social experiment though. I don't know if you want to socially experiment with an NBA YoungBoy Live show.

[Rory's Co-host]

I am curious.

[Peach]

I feel like you'll get chased out because they. I feel like his fans know.

[Rory's Co-host]

Makes sense.

[Peach]

Yeah, they know. Like n. You ain't supposed to be here. This ain't for you. Like, don't try to jump on now. Like, we been this been a whole way. Obviously, I'm familiar with NBA Youngboy. I don't know his music the way his fans know it, but I'm familiar with the fan base that he has. I'm familiar with the following that he has and the streaming numbers that he does. Like, we all know that. But to now see it like night after night. He just did LA last night. Kai was there. Kai is crying. I'm just seeing this shit. I'm just like, yo, what is happening right now?

[Rory's Co-host]

I'm curious based off the sound and stuff. Like, for example, when we saw Gucci versus Jeezy and we saw the difference, Gucci being the legend that he is. A lot of his legendary records were never mixed. They was thrown out. Like, Jeezy had Def Jam behind him with the biggest budget. His records just feel expensive. They sound expensive. The Gucci didn't hit the same. Next to that. I've never seen an arena tour youngboy's volume, like how much he puts out. Some of his most classic records are like two track that I don't even know how it could sound in an arena yet when I see the footage, it looks like J. Cole's performing. That's what I want to see. Like, how are these records transferring in a arena? I've never seen anyone do that to my young boy. The type of music he makes. And even some of the classic core fan base records he has are so low quality. I'm not talking about him, but they're low quality records. You could tell he's too tract. It was like, yo, upload that to the Internet now. I would love, like, I want to know how that rings off in an arena.

[Peach]

All that.

[Rory's Co-host]

Because even Gucci Gucci has classic shit. But even though just on a stream next to Jeezy with an expensive sound, it was like, damn, this is a classic Jeezy record. But it don't hit because it just don't sound the same next to this.

[Peach]

And then in a state, in an arena.

[Rory's Co-host]

Yeah, like, I gotta know how that sounds.

[Peach]

All that shit from Youngboy sound look like it's going off. I love seeing people online saying, yo, if you don't perform this one, I'm gonna be upset. Like, all of that, to me, is just dope to see people so eng with an artist like that. And then for NBA youngboy to go out there and, you know, it seems like he's, you know, he's fulfilling the request. Yeah, he's doing all the joints that, you know, his fans want to hear. I just think this is some really, really dope shit to watch.

[Rory]

Josh, I'm sending you the viral TikTok that's, like, going on right now with this girl that has, like, everybody like, well, damn, I want to go to the NBA show. And that's the one that made me want to go to the NBA show. I'm like, yo, I want to feel this passionately about music. Like, they screaming that shit. Like, when the first month that, like, dreams and nightmares came out, I'm like, I want to feel that feeling again. I want to feel that I'm a boss feeling again. The in Paris feeling. Like, I haven't had that feeling in a while.

[Rory's Co-host]

A connection to it because they lived through the time of.

[Peach]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We can't go because it's like we would just be trying to get on board now, and it's kind of like we not gonna understand it. We need some time to really, like.

[Rory's Co-host]

I mean, this sounds fire.

[Rory]

That looks. That sounds fire.

[Rory's Co-host]

She delivered the out of this, too.

[Rory]

All right, pause it nice before we get what you call it demonetized. But come on, man. How do you not. That sounds fire to me. I can't.

[Rory's Co-host]

Like, I want to go with her.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Rory's Co-host]

Like, I want to go with somebody that's going to like wrap those lyrics in my face. So I start to feel like, all right, this is a. This is.

[Peach]

See, that's why I know I can't.

[Rory's Co-host]

Go close to your chest.

[Peach]

Cuz, you know, I. How I'm at shows, I'm just standing there, literally just watching the artist perform. I'm not. You've been to meet to me with Drake shows you like you just standing there. And I know all these records. I don't know all of these records. So I'm really gonna be listening. Standing there watching Youngboy perform and I can't go with somebody that knows and they hyped and they trying to get me. I'm like, yo bro, I don't even know what he's saying.

[Rory]

Niggas gonna be mosh pitting.

[Peach]

Yeah. So it's fake if I go. Cause I don't even know these songs like that. So some of them I'm like, I might know a couple of the bars, like, okay, yeah, I remember that. But these people are like you said, Rory, they grew up with this shit. They lived with this music. They couldn't wait for Youngboy to come to their city. Like they've been waiting for this moment for years. So now that it's here, I just think it's dope to see it and shout out to Youngboy, man, because being able to develop a fan base like this and all of these years of curating this sound for your audience and now being able to go to these cities and sell out these arenas is. It's some dope shit. So salute to NBA YoungBoy, man.

[Rory]

I'm gonna check it out. I feel like I've always judged him by the way he look.

[Peach]

I mean, he looked like every other.

[Rory]

Yeah, I know. That's why I don't listen to them. If I. If I met you, he look like who else? Who?

[Peach]

A bunch of artists you listen to. It's the same look who. Who d' marriage? You listen to ratchet shit?

[Rory]

Not men. That's. I listen to women ratchet shit. I don't listen to men ratchet shit. I don't know none of this shit. None of these people. If I will meet you in a dark alley and you look like I should be afraid of you, like I should cross the street. I don't really check your music out. I don't know. And I shouldn't do that. I should be better, which is why I'm going to check out some of NBA's music. I don't be listening to these. These rappers with the tattoos and shit on their face like that. I don't listen to that.

[Peach]

You listen to Wayne.

[Rory's Co-host]

I was just about to say.

[Rory]

Okay, Wayne, the, The original, the creator. Right. But these new ones, no. And y' all don't either. Why am I looking at me like I'm crazy?

[Rory's Co-host]

Oh, no. I'm aware that he has been a superstar in his own right with his fan base for a long time. I've seen the numbers, I've tried. I've done the Jay Z headbop, like, pretending like I think this is all right, but I'm never gonna listen to again. But I need somebody like that girl to sell it to me with the green hair. What's, what's, what's worse with a concert? Going with somebody that's way too cool, like Mo bringing up the Drake. Great show when we was there. Or for example, Diani, Scotty Beam. Love you to death. Every cold show I go to with her, she's rapping every word in my face the entire time.

[Rory]

I was insane at the cold show.

[Rory's Co-host]

I was insufferable because I, I, I feed off Dionys energy. It makes it feel a little bit better. Like, sometimes I'll rap back with her.

[Peach]

I get mad if I'm in the car and somebody's rapping the whole song.

[Rory's Co-host]

A car. That's too much. So now, enough. Where you.

[Peach]

If we at the show and you keep jumping in my ear, in my face, trying to get balls, it's worse. It's like, yo, shut the fuck. The artist is right here in front of us. Like, let them do that. You shut. You shut up.

[Rory]

Nah, that was me at Cole. I was talking like that.

[Rory's Co-host]

But you rapped along at a concert before. No, I'm not saying screaming in someone's.

[Peach]

Face, but, yeah, but I'm not grabbing you, trying to, like, get you, like.

[Rory]

But to that type of show, that's.

[Peach]

What you gotta do at this show. You gotta punch somebody in their face.

[Rory's Co-host]

Yeah. Like you.

[Peach]

Yeah, you gotta punch somebody in their face for interest.

[Rory]

It's like a jello shot.

[Peach]

Yeah, this is. That's just what this is. But it's. It's dope to see it, man. It's definitely dope to see it. I know he did LA last night, I think. I'm not sure where else is going, but, yo, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta. I gotta download more NBA youngboy music and learn. Learn the music more so I can before I can go to a live show. I can't just go out there not knowing. I gotta know the music. I have to know the music.

[Rory]

He coming to Newark September 29th. Omar's birthday. Well, not your actual birthday, but your birthday weekend.

[Peach]

Yeah. Nah, nah.

[Rory's Co-host]

I would have considered the Garden or Barclays.

[Rory]

Oh, Barclays.

[Rory's Co-host]

Closer to The Prudential Center.

[Peach]

September 27th.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Rory's Co-host]

The. Yo. The Jersey crowd. The Jersey young boy crowd.

[Rory]

I'm good.

[Rory's Co-host]

That is gonna be the most terrifying. The Newark show compared to the Garden show, which, by the way, is 20 minutes away from each other.

[Peach]

Is going to be two different worlds.

[Rory]

No, I'm cool. Cool. I'm going to the born in Brooklyn. I promise you. I'm not going to the one in Newark. You bug the out. It was concert in Newark. I'm cool.

[Rory's Co-host]

If you're gonna experience it, maybe the Newark one is the one.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Rory's Co-host]

But I gotta get the real feeling.

[Rory]

But they gonna shoot outside that.

[Rory's Co-host]

Yeah, Newark.

[Rory]

I'm cool.

[Peach]

I feel like I gotta wear shiesty. If I go, though, I got.

[Rory's Co-host]

But then you're gonna be like everybody else. You gotta stand out.

[Peach]

No, no, you gotta. You gotta blend. I have to blend in. Wearing a suit to the NBA YoungBoy Show. They will beat the shit out of me. First of all, they gonna think I'm a narc. They're like, who this? Police says a suit at an NBA youngboy show. No, no, you can't dress like we.

[Rory's Co-host]

Going to the GZ orchestra show.

[Peach]

No, absolutely.

[Rory]

Oh, that's fine.

[Peach]

No, it's not. I promise you, it's not. Nah.

[Rory's Co-host]

I feel like NBA youngboy shows should change the rules for arenas. I should be able to walk in with no shirt.

[Peach]

There's people in there with no shirts on.

[Rory's Co-host]

Well, they walked in with a shirt on. They took it off after. I'm saying I should be able to show up with no shirt. Shirt at all.

[Peach]

I mean, you know, as young boy.

[Rory's Co-host]

Ever likes a little high.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Rory's Co-host]

Oh, I thought that was his whole aesthetic. He's just shirtless.

[Peach]

No, he wearing. He wearing some on stage. I mean, I'm sure at some point he might take his shirt off and really get into the, you know, night. But it's just dope to see it, man. All the clips. I'm saying is the energy is. I haven't seen, bro. I'm not gonna lie. That type of energy is crazy for the entire arena to be.

[Rory's Co-host]

You know how hard it is to sell tickets, period, right now, let alone an arena.

[Peach]

But you know, that type of clip. Yeah, yeah. And like I said, his fan base is very. They've been waiting for this. They've been Way couldn't wait for this tour.

[Rory's Co-host]

And, you know, they're dedicated fans because I'm not going to get into. Everyone makes mistakes. But I feel like every other month I'm seeing some wild. That young boy is doing. Like, those are. He could do anything. The fact how he's moved on certain things or how the Internet has painted him. And you could still sell out arenas this way. Yeah, they love your music.

[Rory]

Philly. I'd rather die.

[Rory's Co-host]

Yeah, Philly would be kind of nice.

[Rory]

He signed a Motown.

[Rory's Co-host]

Well, I mean, it merged. They all merged. It's musical chairs. Like, he didn't. He didn't sign to the same Motown.

[Rory]

No.

[Peach]

Rory. Oh, he was in Oakland. That wasn't even la. That was Oakland last. Oh, what dates is that? That's. No, he's in Oakland tonight.

[Rory's Co-host]

Oh, yeah.

[Peach]

Well, tomorrow. Okay. He was in LA last night, though. Okay.

[Rory's Co-host]

On the low. I think the Phoenix show might be the scariest because I know the Mexicans love Young Boy. That might be. It would rival between Newark and Phoenix of the scariest shows on the store.

[Peach]

Scroll down. Oh, no, hold on.

[Rory]

Chicago might.

[Peach]

Wait, hold on.

[Rory's Co-host]

St. Louis, for sure.

[Rory]

Baltimore, I don't know. I'm not going to no NBA young boy show in Baltimore. I'm cool. I'm cool.

[Peach]

Oh, no, that's Chicago on the scary. Cuz he had beef with Chicago like he had beef with Durkin.

[Rory's Co-host]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Peach]

So, yeah, man. Hopefully, you know, I mean, hopefully nothing happens. We don't want to get no news about anything negative or crazy happening, because seeing this type of energy is just dope to see people go out and support their artists. But we know the history of him and certain Chicago artists.

[Rory]

So y' all don't know nobody from that side?

[Peach]

From what side?

[Rory]

NBA youngboy side.

[Rory's Co-host]

Listen, I told you when I went to Baton Rouge a couple months ago and she told me, oh, this. This young boy's hood. I said, could we just not be here? Then we was driving. She's like, yes. Where are you from? I was like, well, let's then. Let's take a left and a left and get the out of here.

[Peach]

You scared?

[Rory's Co-host]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, you thought I was gonna say no? Yeah, actually, the.

[Peach]

You scared?

[Rory's Co-host]

They walk around with a. So rifle is just out like, it ain't even illegal.

[Peach]

Yeah, I don't need to be there. And I could. I want to learn.

[Rory]

I want to go now. Now to prime.

[Rory's Co-host]

I want to go now.

[Peach]

I want to go to music. It's fake if I go now. I don't know I don't know the music enough.

[Rory]

But that's okay, though. You actually. People, a lot of people tend to go to shows to learn new music. You don't got to go to the show and know every song.

[Peach]

You got to know the music, man. That's like going to the game and not knowing who playing.

[Rory's Co-host]

No, but you discover.

[Rory]

You discover songs because a lot of songs you might put on, like, in your headphones and be like, turn this shit off. Right? But you go to the show and you see Shorty with the green hair doing all that. It's like, wait, hold on. What's this song? Let me. That's why you're supposed to go check out new shows, local artists, all of that stuff, man.

[Rory's Co-host]

Sitting at the young boy show in the mosh pit, trying to hold your phone up for Shazam. Yeah, they're gonna knock you out.

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Who's gonna.

[Peach]

No, I would be in the.

[Rory's Co-host]

Trying to figure out this.

[Peach]

I would be in the skybox somewhere. Put me in a suite. Let me just chill up here. Look down at the real fans. I just want to hear the music and see the performance. I can't be in there.

[Rory]

I need to touch the fan.

[Peach]

Nah, I can't be in there. That's crazy.

[Rory's Co-host]

What's the most dangerous show you've ever been to?

[Peach]

The most dangerous show I've ever been to.

[Rory's Co-host]

Even if it turned out that way and you didn't anticipate it.

[Peach]

The most dangerous show.

[Rory]

I've never been to a dangerous show.

[Peach]

I feel like it may have been somebody at Irvin Plaza.

[Rory's Co-host]

Well, not that time.

[Rory]

Oh, the Nipsey Hustle one wore them Crips in the building, but I felt safe.

[Rory's Co-host]

This was in New York.

[Rory]

Irvin Plaza.

[Rory's Co-host]

Okay.

[Peach]

Yeah, I feel like it was. I can't remember who it was, though.

[Rory]

I felt safe, though.

[Peach]

I feel like it was Irvin Plaza.

[Rory's Co-host]

Okay.

[Peach]

Might have been. I was in there. I remember having a feeling like, yeah, the energy in here is a little. It's a little tense. But never in, like, never at the Garden. I never been so sure at the Garden where I felt that.

[Rory's Co-host]

Well, I mean, you did say you were in the hallway when R. Kelly walked down and violence ensued.

[Peach]

You say he.

[Rory's Co-host]

That was kind of dangerous. There was a gun there, so he.

[Peach]

Didn'T want nobody looking him in his eyes.

[Rory's Co-host]

And then somebody allegedly put pepper spray in his eyes.

[Peach]

Yeah, but that wasn't dangerous. That was R B. Like, that wasn't, like, dangerous.

[Rory's Co-host]

I mean, speaking of Newark and Jersey in general, Hot 97 once did. Remember when they used to do those, like, next up or who's Next shows, which I appreciated. They was trying to get, like, local talent, and they did one that was just specific to Jersey with a bunch of Jersey acts. I want to say Tretch hosted it as well. That was the most violent show I think I've ever been. That, like, they rivaled what. When Saigon, Prodigy, and all the Queensbridge fought at SOBS with that legendary footage. There was so much tension in that small, small venue. Yeah, that was probably the. The one time been a show where I'm like, I don't know if it's worth. Worth staying in here. I'll be a bystander. Somehow in this entire show, I can't.

[Peach]

Remember who was at Irvin Plaza. Like, who was. It may have been Meek and somebody else. And I was like, yeah, this energy in here was just a little, you know. You know that energy where it's just like, the faces ain't friendly. Nobody's smiling. It's not a lot of women. You know, those shows, of course, you know, it was just like, all right, man, I'm about to let me stand close to the exit because it might go down here.

[Rory's Co-host]

But I've told you guys the story of when I was DJing at the New Eureka with my mans and we got into it, and I thought I was gonna die with the guys from Connecticut.

[Peach]

Yep.

[Rory's Co-host]

So there was another time I was DJing for a man's that was opening up for. I won't say his name. He was signed to the Lock, not the Locks, to D Block at the time, and we were opening up for him based off his manager's relationship with D Block, but my man's was on some singing and rapping shit. It wasn't that type of crowd. Yeah, this is like when you really gotta cut your teeth and earn your keep. Like, what it's like to feel like you're dying on stage of just going record to record somebody that was affiliated with that artist twice my size in the middle of my man performing. And we had, like, a intricate DJ set. I was trying to mix certain stuff. Like, we had a set, we rehearsed. It's Cubes.

[Peach]

He's waiting for this moment.

[Rory's Co-host]

Like, all this entire thing over me hits the. The fader and puts it to the side and said, it's time for y'.

[Peach]

All to leave in the middle of the performance.

[Rory's Co-host]

Yeah, but I had. I had. I was on vinyl, so I had two. Two things playing, so it didn't affect. Like, my man kept rapping and it was the first time in my life where I was like, I'm about to say something that I know I'm gonna die, but I have no other option.

[Peach]

Gotta be a man.

[Rory's Co-host]

Yeah, I had no other option. I know this is not going to end well. Like I said, ain't no fucking way. We got three more fucking songs. Get away from me. Let's just say we were handled outside of the building, but my man finished the set. No, handled.

[Peach]

Finished the set, though. Finish the set.

[Rory's Co-host]

Handled it.

[Peach]

We get beat up outside, but we finished the set, though. That's all that matters.

[Rory's Co-host]

And my man, who I love, did what every opening act that does because the locks are supposed to be special guests with it. With this guy as well. It was like on the flyer. So when you're just drowning in a set and it's dead quiet, we're saying like, yo, yo, get the. Off the stage. Yo, who's ready to see the locks? Whole crowd erupted. And he said for the last song, he went, yeah.

[Peach]

Nah, cut it.

[Rory's Co-host]

Let's get the out of here.

[Peach]

Get up out of here.

[Rory's Co-host]

We was in there because this was 09. Like, when we were on the blog era type of rap. And that crowd was not trying to hear none of that shit. He was really singing. He was like, had an R B part. It was a bunch of dudes in champion hoodies waiting to see if Styles was gonna show up. It was one of the crazy experiences. But, no, we were physically handled out.

[Peach]

Was that Toad's place something? Toad's place?

[Rory's Co-host]

No, no, no. It was in the city.

[Peach]

Oh, it was here.

[Rory's Co-host]

Was it at Santos? Might have been a Santos. Yeah. I'll think on it. It'll come to me.

[Rory]

Chris Brown, you know, Y' all heard what he said.

[Peach]

What Chris Brown said?

[Rory]

I'll be so tired of y' all not. Not about what y' all talking about.

[Peach]

Oh, what Chris say? I'm about to say what? You know, I don't be knowing. Y' all start telling me. I'm like, wait, what happened there?

[Rory's Co-host]

So he finally admitted that Damaris and I were right, that. That Quavo was much bigger than him.

[Peach]

Yeah, right.

[Rory's Co-host]

He said, everyone compares Michael Jackson, Beyonce, Usher, and Quavo to me, but we're all superstars in our own right.

[Peach]

Yeah, he never said that.

[Rory]

Yes, he did.

[Peach]

He didn't say people compare. What, Quavo?

[Rory]

I didn't hear you add Quavo into it. You're mad annoying.

[Peach]

Yeah, that's something like.

[Rory's Co-host]

No, he put something up on his IG store. I believe can you. You click that, Josh?

[Peach]

He tweeted. Honest opinion. Beyonce, Michael Jackson, and Usher are all the best superstars in lanes of their own. I see a lot of podcasts and debates on who's better, and the truth is that we all shine bright in our own way. I'll never say I'm a better anything. I'm just being the best Chris Brown in some way, shape or form. These artists have influenced me to go hard and never give up. I just want to be recognized for helping people with my gifts.

[Rory's Co-host]

That's on Piru.

[Peach]

That's a very humble thing for Chris to say, but I'll go on record and say I do believe Chris Brown is a better dancer than Michael Jackson.

[Rory's Co-host]

I agree.

[Peach]

Actually, all of these other Usher, Beyonce, I don't. I think Chris Brown is the better dancer out of these names. Michael Jackson is obviously he's the apex entertainer. He is the one that everybody, all generations, you see kids now that or maybe 3, 4, 5 years old dressed up like Michael Jackson, dance like Michael. So Michael Jackson is obviously the one that all artists and entertainers aspire to kind of be like. But it's okay to have artists that come after that are better vocalists than Michael Jackson, better dancers than Michael. Michael just encompassed the entire thing. The mystique, the aura, the entertaining, just everything all in one is what made Michael Jackson so special. But I do believe Chris Brown is a better dancer than Michael Jackson.

[Rory's Co-host]

This is. Pardon my age. This is gonna maybe be a stupid question. Did Michael Jackson invent the moonwalk or is that. He just made it iconic?

[Peach]

He made it iconic. He got it from some dancers he was watching on.

[Rory's Co-host]

He talks about culturally appropriated it.

[Peach]

No, no, no. It's culture vulture.

[Rory's Co-host]

Michael was.

[Peach]

No. There was black people that created it.

[Rory's Co-host]

And he ended up being white.

[Peach]

They were on Soul Train and he saw that move. It was part of, like, the whole rope when dancers were doing the whole robot type of thing. And he saw that on, I think, on Soul Train, and he just made that a part of his performance. And obviously his platform was the biggest in the world. So when he did it, that was the first time that many people saw that move.

[Rory's Co-host]

I mean, how much stake do you put into iconic choreography versus being the better dancer? Like, I agree with you. If we were in the same place Steve Harvey was doing you got Served, and it's just Michael and Chris in the ring. Yeah, I'm gonna take Chris Brown in.

[Peach]

That regard as far as dancing.

[Rory's Co-host]

Yeah. But as far as iconic choreography, I think Michael and Beyonce are over here. And then Chris Brown and Usher are over here. Like between. Between. Obviously Thriller goes without saying, but like Beyonce with her crazy in love choreography. I remember everyone trying to do that when I was in 8th, 7th, 8th grade. Single ladies. Like, she has iconic choreography with her dancing. Like, that is going to last forever. Same way with Michael. I mean, the yo Video, I think Chris definitely had iconic. Like, people would try and do that choreography. But in the Usher My way video, I remember that. But do they have their. Their staple as far as dancing goes? Michael Mo, Chris Brown and Usher. As we know, Beyonce and Michael Jackson have their staples. Just Chris and like a move. Like, move. Anytime Beyonce is on tour and if she's going to perform Single Ladies, people are waiting for that choreography. Like, that's the whole thing.

[Rory]

Chris Brown. Chris Brown has it with wall to wall. I don't hear nothing but ladies calling. Yeah. And take you down and take you down.

[Rory's Co-host]

Yeah, take you down. Did too. Yeah, yeah. But is it at the level we think that a Single Ladies or Thriller would be?

[Rory]

Nothing is at the level of Single Ladies.

[Peach]

There would never be anything at the level of Thriller.

[Rory's Co-host]

Well, obviously, but. But I still think. Not to say Single Ladies is compared to Thriller as far as choreography, but she did check that box of I have an iconic, iconic choreography dance. I just, I. I feel like Usher and Chris maybe could out dance them, but don't have that.

[Rory]

Well, that. Well, part of that is because Usher and Chris can out dance them. Their choreography is harder to do for sure.

[Rory's Co-host]

I mean, so the reason why Single.

[Rory]

Ladies in Thriller are so. Well, not Thriller, but the reason why Single Ladies is so popular is because the choreographer. I mean, the choreography, like White Housewives at home were at home doing this. Like, it's super easy. It's simple and easy to remember. So that's why it got as big as it got.

[Rory's Co-host]

That's a good point. Because even like when Michael Jackson would do the lean, we like, everyone tries the lean.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Rory's Co-host]

So. Yeah, I hear you. That. That does. That does make sense too. It was very simplified. So everyone could. It was like the first tick tock dances. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I get that. Because I mean, as I think Beyonce is up there with Michael, but she can't do a backflip without a running start. And that's something Chris Brown can do.

[Peach]

Beyonce could run 10 minutes and I don't think she could do a back. You mean running start. Like. All right, don't do that.

[Rory]

I think my baby could do a backflip if she tried, you know, her mind to It.

[Rory's Co-host]

Beyonce could do it backflip for sure.

[Peach]

No, we. We can know. We can all.

[Rory's Co-host]

But Chris Brown doesn't need to work on it.

[Peach]

But I'm just saying right now, if B goes on stage tonight, there will be no backflip. Like, you know, I mean, I'm not saying anything. Beyonce's amazing, but she not trying to do no fucking backflip tonight on stage.

[Rory's Co-host]

No, I think Usher in his prime could do a backflip with a running start. I don't know many performers that could just stand there and do a.

[Peach]

Usher has done backflips on stage.

[Rory's Co-host]

Yeah, but he had like two or three steps. I don't think he didn't even travel NBA wise. I'm saying it was a quick run and start.

[Peach]

Usher has a whole set, literally on roller skates.

[Rory's Co-host]

Yeah, that's true. That. That. That is crazy to do that.

[Peach]

Like, just doing a whole, you know, a bunch of your records and the choreography. Y' all are all on roller skates. That's incredible. I mean, these are all, you know, to what Usher's. I mean, Chris Brown is saying, these are all the best of the best. When you talk about performers and entertainers, Usher and Chris and Michael Jackson and Beyonce, these are the top of the pyramids. When you talk about entertainment and music and dance choreography, things like that. Janet Jackson as well. I mean, her Rhythm Nation video obviously was groundbreaking and changing. Even the one video where she did. What was the name of the song? Is it Miss yous Much? When she was in the dance studio by herself with a chair.

[Rory]

Pleasure Principal.

[Peach]

Pleasure Principal. That was iconic video. And she was just her. In the video in the dance studio. So, yeah, I mean, I understand what Chris is saying. I think he was being a little humble and not trying to, you know, make it seem like he. Because obviously you don't want to be the person to say, I'm better than anybody, or, you know, you let the audience and the. The fans say that. But I will say, you know, just in watching both and being a fan of both entertainers, in regards to him and Michael Jackson, I do think Chris is the better dancer out of him and Michael Jackson.

[Rory's Co-host]

It's not my world, so I could be wrong, but I want justice for choreographers. Like the way we get these Billboard complex, all these lists with producers, we know every backstory of every Quincy Jones thing with Michael Jackson. Like. Like, is there a list of choreographers? Like, why did they not get as much shine as even engineers get when you get down to the nerdy? Well, because I would like to know.

[Rory]

Who, because they still do lg.

[Rory's Co-host]

I mean, Puff put LG on. Like, that was the most famous one I remember as a kid because she was on the reality show.

[Rory]

Well, people pay attention to things that apply to them. So why. Why. I was gonna say why engineers would be important to you is because that's what you would care. Care about.

[Rory's Co-host]

But even, like, the best producers, 21st century, that what we talked about last week. I feel like a casual fan clicked that right away too. If I, as a. I wouldn't say a casual fan of choreography. I mean, I like dancing, but I don't sit and think about who put it together. I would click that list right away. And that's not even my world. I would love for those people to be highlighted and learn more about it. So that's a huge part of music that just is not talked about.

[Rory]

But, I mean, like, again, like, I. I hear you, but I don't know, maybe it's because I really. I love dancing so much that I'm more like. Sean Bankhead does the majority of people's videos these days. Right.

[Rory's Co-host]

Okay.

[Rory]

So a lot of the famous choreography that ends up being TikTok dances. Like, for example, Cardi B's up. Or I put that on my mama, Victoria Monet.

[Rory's Co-host]

Like, great choreography.

[Peach]

Yes.

[Rory]

Which became huge. Right? Like, that. He did all of that. Sean Bankhead has been hu. With the videos that he's. He's created. As far as, like, I remember all of Janet's choreographers, obviously, because some of them used to be her dancers, and I was, like, obsessed. But there are. You can find that list. But again, that would be up first. That would be something that you would have to pay attention to, because the publications and stuff that it's going to be in might not be something that you're interested in, but the theater kids know about it, and you know what I'm saying? So I'm.

[Rory's Co-host]

I. I'm interested. That's really why I'm asking, like, did, like, did Michael have a main.

[Peach]

There goes an usher backflip.

[Rory's Co-host]

That was a backflip with no running start. I. I stand corrected.

[Peach]

Me. Give us.

[Rory's Co-host]

Yo, do y' all know how hard it is to stand there and do a backflip?

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Rory's Co-host]

Go try.

[Peach]

No, no.

[Rory's Co-host]

Go down to your bed and go try.

[Peach]

Let me see how close I'm gonna be in the hospital for about a month if I try to do back. I would knock all this over trying to do a backflip.

[Rory's Co-host]

Did Michael have, like, a main choreographer? The Way Quincy was his main producer. Like, is there something we know? He did thrill, he did bad, he did like.

[Peach]

I think he worked with a lot of people on a number of projects. I don't know if he had one main choreographer though.

[Rory's Co-host]

And I also want to know, like, who. Who's the prince of this dancing? Like, which icon never had a choreographer. Like, if you saw them dance, they came up with it.

[Rory]

That just doesn't.

[Rory's Co-host]

That's why I said the prince of it.

[Rory]

There's only one outside of Paul Abdul. I don't think that that tends just because it's so much choreography is needed, especially for not really music videos for tours.

[Rory's Co-host]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You know what I'm saying? Like tours. It's like that's so much choreography. So Michael worked with seven prominent choreographers, but most importantly, Vincent Patterson for Smooth Criminal, the Bad Tour, Michael Peters for Thriller and Beat It. He has a couple people.

[Peach]

Yeah, Mike worked a few choreography for.

[Rory's Co-host]

Thriller and Beat It. Like you Michael Jackson of that Ma, I know you do not have a phone, so I am here to let you know that that is probably a device that you need in this day and age.

[Peach]

Bought me one, you got me one.

[Rory's Co-host]

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[Peach]

Plus Boost Mobile is now a legitimate nationwide 5G network.

[Rory's Co-host]

Were they not before?

[Peach]

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[Rory]

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