New Rory & Mal – Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 12/1 (Released: December 7, 2025)
Podcast: New Rory & Mal
Hosts: Rory (Beans), Maul, Damaris
Episode Theme: Rap history, city rivalries, hip-hop industry ethics, and modern friendship dynamics
Tone: Energetic, candid, irreverent, occasionally reflective
Episode Overview
This “best of” episode features lively debate, nostalgic commentary, and signature humor as Rory & Mal, joined by Damaris, riff across topics central to hip-hop culture and contemporary life. The main themes include ranking top Philly rappers, dissecting rap city rivalries, behind-the-scenes of the industry (notably the T-Pain x DJ Khaled saga), an in-depth discussion about the Diddy documentary, and both serious and hilarious takes on friendship dynamics. If you’re new or missed the week’s content, this episode captures the sharp takes, banter, and chemistry that define the show.
Key Discussion Points & Insights
1. Philly Rappers: Who’s in the Top Five?
(03:08 – 06:20)
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Beans’ List (excluding himself):
- Black Thought
- Young Chris
- Freeway
- Meek Mill
- Gilly
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Beans, Damaris, and Maul debate their personal rankings and whether Eve should be included.
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Damaris: “Beans is number two to me…Actually, I got to stop lying. Beans is number one.” (03:39-03:56)
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Black Thought is lauded as an “alien,” but the hosts admit to listening to Beans more.
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Gilly’s underrated pen and influence are discussed:
Beans: “Gilly raps better than Meek…a lot of y’all met Gilly through podcasting.” (04:52-05:10) -
Philly’s often-overlooked impact is highlighted, including flows borrowed by bigger stars.
2. Rap City Rivalries: Philly vs Detroit vs New York
(06:14 – 10:08)
- Beans boldly claims Philly and Detroit are the strongest “just bars” rap cities, sparking Damaris’s incredulity:
“That's top two to you. You bugging the fuck out, man. You think Detroit rap better than New York?” (06:23) - A hotly contested (and playful) comparison: Big Pun vs Eminem, with hosts debating the closest equalizers across city lines and style.
- Beans: “Pun and Eminem are closer together as far as how they rap.” (06:54)
- Damaris and Maul defend New York’s songwriting dominance (Jay, Nas, Biggie), but acknowledge Detroit’s trio (Em, Royce, Elzhi) are elite in raw raps.
3. LA’s Claim to the Throne & Versus Matchup Gripes
(10:11 – 12:19)
- Rory (off-mic) previously argued LA has “out-rapped everybody” the last ten years.
- Nostalgia and frustration over Snoop vs DMX in Verzuz: Damaris: “I hated that. I really can't believe they did that...but I was happy that they gave DMX that platform.” (10:38-12:19)
4. T-Pain vs DJ Khaled: The Industry, Loyalty, and Usefulness
(12:19 – 23:39)
- Discussion pivots to T-Pain’s grievances with Khaled ignoring him once he was no longer “hot."
- Honest, unromantic view of the music business: Beans: “It's the music industry. Why would you expect Khaled to be your friend?” (12:57) Damaris: “DJ Khaled is obviously very self serving…which is fine.” (13:55) Beans: “You have to be [self-serving] to be successful.” (15:20)
- They debate whether business justifies cold relationships:
Damaris: “But through business and through…working with certain people, you build a relationship, you build a chemistry, you build a friendship, you build even family at some point…” (16:25) - The group agrees that the industry's transactional nature is painful but real, and reflect on similar personal and historic industry breakups.
5. Diddy Doc (“The Reckoning”): Revisiting History, Industry Corruption, and Cover-Ups
(27:38 – 51:39)
- Damaris and Beans rushed to watch the documentary fearing legal takedown and were shocked by the content.
- Damaris: “If everything in that doc is real and true…I think we all owe a lot of people. Like, damn. Cause we watched it happen.” (28:13-28:27)
- The group considers revelations—e.g., rumors that Biggie’s funeral was paid for out of his recording budget (quickly debunked on air, but the moral quandary is discussed).
- Beans raises a core theme: Diddy’s pattern of self-preservation and alleged moral failings: “Puff came across as probably the greatest self-preservation human being I’ve ever seen…Every time something bad happened to everyone, including himself in that circle, he would find a way...” (41:21)
- Discussion explores Puff's God complex, celebrity invincibility, and the repeated pattern where Diddy emerged more powerful after scandals and tragedies.
- Damaris: “Everybody can't be lying…that’s just my thing. When everybody get to talking, it’s like…where there’s smoke, there’s fire.” (40:44-40:50)
- Lil Rod’s story (unpaid producer, subject of manipulation):
“Can you pay me the money that you already said you owed me?” (47:45, Beans) - Aubrey O’Day’s harrowing account:
“She told her story of somebody on the staff had walked into one of the studios where Puff and another gentleman were having sex with her. She looked really out of it. Slump, like she had clearly been drugged. She has no recollection of this whatsoever.” (50:51-51:32)
6. The Meaning of “Brother” and Relationship Loyalty (in Life & the Industry)
(20:44 – 23:39 primary; recurring theme throughout)
- Beans and Damaris dissect what “brotherhood” means in the music business and whether it translates to real loyalty.
- “Brother means nothing to the people in the music industry if you're music industry friends.” (20:44, Beans) — Damaris pushes back, arguing for the exceptions.
7. Friendship Dynamics & Masculinity: How Men vs. Women Make Friends
(52:00 – 62:37)
- Playful exploration of friendship—especially platonic best friends, “meeting at bars,” and gendered expectations.
- Maul: “That's how I found out I was gay…from playing gay and realizing, ‘Oh, I’m not playing.’” (53:10)
- Mockery of male athlete ritual (“good game” ass-slapping) as “a little homoerotic.”
- Maul muses on platonic male intimacy: “That’s why the male loneliness epidemic. Y’all ain't got no friends because y'all be afraid to meet people.” (59:28)
- Damaris stresses that for men, best friends are often a matter of longevity and tested loyalty rather than emotional intimacy.
8. Synthesizing Friendship: Loyalty, Longevity, and Requirements
(60:55 – 63:19)
- Men’s friendships: less about daily check-ins, more about surviving “tests of loyalty” and time.
- Damaris: “When you loyal, it’s just something that you don’t even have to think about. It’s just who you are.” (63:09)
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
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On Philly rap’s overlooked greatness:
“Gilly raps better than Meek. Yeah, but I put Meek there just because of what Meek has accomplished with songs. And...Gilly rap better than Meek.” (04:52, Beans) -
On music industry coldness:
“It’s the music industry. Why would you expect Khaled to be your friend?” (12:57, Beans) -
On documentary revelations and moral accountability:
“If everything in that doc is real and true…cause we watched it happen.” (28:13, Damaris) -
On Diddy’s God Complex:
“Puff came across as probably the greatest self-preservation human being I’ve ever seen.” (41:21, Beans) -
On industry relationships:
“Brother means nothing to the people in the music industry if you’re music industry friends.” (20:44, Beans) -
Playful moment of self-discovery:
Maul: “That’s how I found out I was gay…from playing gay and realizing, ‘Oh, I’m not playing.’” (53:10)
Timestamps for Important Segments
- 03:08 – Philly rappers top five debate
- 06:14 – Bar-heavy cities: Detroit vs Philly vs New York
- 09:49 – 10:24 – Jay, Nas, Biggie vs Eminem/Detroit elite
- 10:38 – Snoop vs DMX Verzuz match critique
- 12:19 – T-Pain’s Khaled grievances; industry loyalty
- 20:44 – 23:39 – What does “brother” mean in music? Industry vs real-life friendships
- 27:38 – Diddy Doc: initial impressions, legal fears, revelations
- 28:13-29:52 – Documentary’s impact, new perspective on Diddy
- 31:20-33:39 – The “who paid for Biggie’s funeral?” debate
- 39:10 – 41:21 – Diddy’s history of “winning” after tragedy; self-preservation
- 47:00 – 51:39 – Lil Rod, Aubrey O’Day, and darker sides of the Diddy allegations
- 52:00 – 62:37 – Friendship dynamics, how male and female friendships differ
- 63:19 – Closing the friendship conversation: loyalty and longevity
Episode Takeaways
- Philly’s rap culture is rich and often underappreciated, with heated debate among the hosts about bars, influence, and overlooked icons like Eve and Gilly.
- The music industry remains transactional, with “friendships” often conditional on current value. The Khaled/T-Pain situation is just one example.
- The Diddy documentary raises overdue questions about morality, power, and accountability—forcing the hip-hop world to reckon with harmful legacies.
- Male and female friendship operate differently, and the hosts hilariously deconstruct why men’s friendships often hinge on loyalty and time, not emotional intimacy.
- Signature humor and banter: Even heavy moments are laced with the group’s irreverence and inside jokes, making this an excellent showcase of the New Rory & Mal vibe.
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