Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 12/1

Summary

New Rory & Mal – Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 12/1 (Released: December 7, 2025)

Podcast: New Rory & Mal
Hosts: Rory (Beans), Maul, Damaris
Episode Theme: Rap history, city rivalries, hip-hop industry ethics, and modern friendship dynamics
Tone: Energetic, candid, irreverent, occasionally reflective

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Episode Overview

This “best of” episode features lively debate, nostalgic commentary, and signature humor as Rory & Mal, joined by Damaris, riff across topics central to hip-hop culture and contemporary life. The main themes include ranking top Philly rappers, dissecting rap city rivalries, behind-the-scenes of the industry (notably the T-Pain x DJ Khaled saga), an in-depth discussion about the Diddy documentary, and both serious and hilarious takes on friendship dynamics. If you’re new or missed the week’s content, this episode captures the sharp takes, banter, and chemistry that define the show.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Philly Rappers: Who’s in the Top Five?

(03:08 – 06:20)

• Beans’ List (excluding himself):

  1. Black Thought
  2. Young Chris
  3. Freeway
  4. Meek Mill
  5. Gilly

• Beans, Damaris, and Maul debate their personal rankings and whether Eve should be included.

• Damaris: “Beans is number two to me…Actually, I got to stop lying. Beans is number one.” (03:39-03:56)

• Black Thought is lauded as an “alien,” but the hosts admit to listening to Beans more.

• Gilly’s underrated pen and influence are discussed:
  Beans: “Gilly raps better than Meek…a lot of y’all met Gilly through podcasting.” (04:52-05:10)

• Philly’s often-overlooked impact is highlighted, including flows borrowed by bigger stars.

2. Rap City Rivalries: Philly vs Detroit vs New York

(06:14 – 10:08)

• Beans boldly claims Philly and Detroit are the strongest “just bars” rap cities, sparking Damaris’s incredulity:
  “That's top two to you. You bugging the fuck out, man. You think Detroit rap better than New York?” (06:23)
• A hotly contested (and playful) comparison: Big Pun vs Eminem, with hosts debating the closest equalizers across city lines and style.
• Beans: “Pun and Eminem are closer together as far as how they rap.” (06:54)
• Damaris and Maul defend New York’s songwriting dominance (Jay, Nas, Biggie), but acknowledge Detroit’s trio (Em, Royce, Elzhi) are elite in raw raps.

3. LA’s Claim to the Throne & Versus Matchup Gripes

(10:11 – 12:19)

• Rory (off-mic) previously argued LA has “out-rapped everybody” the last ten years.
• Nostalgia and frustration over Snoop vs DMX in Verzuz: Damaris: “I hated that. I really can't believe they did that...but I was happy that they gave DMX that platform.” (10:38-12:19)

4. T-Pain vs DJ Khaled: The Industry, Loyalty, and Usefulness

(12:19 – 23:39)

• Discussion pivots to T-Pain’s grievances with Khaled ignoring him once he was no longer “hot."
• Honest, unromantic view of the music business: Beans: “It's the music industry. Why would you expect Khaled to be your friend?” (12:57) Damaris: “DJ Khaled is obviously very self serving…which is fine.” (13:55) Beans: “You have to be [self-serving] to be successful.” (15:20)
• They debate whether business justifies cold relationships:
  Damaris: “But through business and through…working with certain people, you build a relationship, you build a chemistry, you build a friendship, you build even family at some point…” (16:25)
• The group agrees that the industry's transactional nature is painful but real, and reflect on similar personal and historic industry breakups.

5. Diddy Doc (“The Reckoning”): Revisiting History, Industry Corruption, and Cover-Ups

(27:38 – 51:39)

• Damaris and Beans rushed to watch the documentary fearing legal takedown and were shocked by the content.
• Damaris: “If everything in that doc is real and true…I think we all owe a lot of people. Like, damn. Cause we watched it happen.” (28:13-28:27)
• The group considers revelations—e.g., rumors that Biggie’s funeral was paid for out of his recording budget (quickly debunked on air, but the moral quandary is discussed).
• Beans raises a core theme: Diddy’s pattern of self-preservation and alleged moral failings: “Puff came across as probably the greatest self-preservation human being I’ve ever seen…Every time something bad happened to everyone, including himself in that circle, he would find a way...” (41:21)
• Discussion explores Puff's God complex, celebrity invincibility, and the repeated pattern where Diddy emerged more powerful after scandals and tragedies.
• Damaris: “Everybody can't be lying…that’s just my thing. When everybody get to talking, it’s like…where there’s smoke, there’s fire.” (40:44-40:50)
• Lil Rod’s story (unpaid producer, subject of manipulation):
  “Can you pay me the money that you already said you owed me?” (47:45, Beans)
• Aubrey O’Day’s harrowing account:
  “She told her story of somebody on the staff had walked into one of the studios where Puff and another gentleman were having sex with her. She looked really out of it. Slump, like she had clearly been drugged. She has no recollection of this whatsoever.” (50:51-51:32)

6. The Meaning of “Brother” and Relationship Loyalty (in Life & the Industry)

(20:44 – 23:39 primary; recurring theme throughout)

• Beans and Damaris dissect what “brotherhood” means in the music business and whether it translates to real loyalty.
• “Brother means nothing to the people in the music industry if you're music industry friends.” (20:44, Beans) — Damaris pushes back, arguing for the exceptions.

7. Friendship Dynamics & Masculinity: How Men vs. Women Make Friends

(52:00 – 62:37)

• Playful exploration of friendship—especially platonic best friends, “meeting at bars,” and gendered expectations.
• Maul: “That's how I found out I was gay…from playing gay and realizing, ‘Oh, I’m not playing.’” (53:10)
• Mockery of male athlete ritual (“good game” ass-slapping) as “a little homoerotic.”
• Maul muses on platonic male intimacy: “That’s why the male loneliness epidemic. Y’all ain't got no friends because y'all be afraid to meet people.” (59:28)
• Damaris stresses that for men, best friends are often a matter of longevity and tested loyalty rather than emotional intimacy.

8. Synthesizing Friendship: Loyalty, Longevity, and Requirements

(60:55 – 63:19)

• Men’s friendships: less about daily check-ins, more about surviving “tests of loyalty” and time.
• Damaris: “When you loyal, it’s just something that you don’t even have to think about. It’s just who you are.” (63:09)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Philly rap’s overlooked greatness:
  “Gilly raps better than Meek. Yeah, but I put Meek there just because of what Meek has accomplished with songs. And...Gilly rap better than Meek.” (04:52, Beans)

• On music industry coldness:
  “It’s the music industry. Why would you expect Khaled to be your friend?” (12:57, Beans)

• On documentary revelations and moral accountability:
  “If everything in that doc is real and true…cause we watched it happen.” (28:13, Damaris)

• On Diddy’s God Complex:
  “Puff came across as probably the greatest self-preservation human being I’ve ever seen.” (41:21, Beans)

• On industry relationships:
  “Brother means nothing to the people in the music industry if you’re music industry friends.” (20:44, Beans)

• Playful moment of self-discovery:
  Maul: “That’s how I found out I was gay…from playing gay and realizing, ‘Oh, I’m not playing.’” (53:10)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:08 – Philly rappers top five debate
• 06:14 – Bar-heavy cities: Detroit vs Philly vs New York
• 09:49 – 10:24 – Jay, Nas, Biggie vs Eminem/Detroit elite
• 10:38 – Snoop vs DMX Verzuz match critique
• 12:19 – T-Pain’s Khaled grievances; industry loyalty
• 20:44 – 23:39 – What does “brother” mean in music? Industry vs real-life friendships
• 27:38 – Diddy Doc: initial impressions, legal fears, revelations
• 28:13-29:52 – Documentary’s impact, new perspective on Diddy
• 31:20-33:39 – The “who paid for Biggie’s funeral?” debate
• 39:10 – 41:21 – Diddy’s history of “winning” after tragedy; self-preservation
• 47:00 – 51:39 – Lil Rod, Aubrey O’Day, and darker sides of the Diddy allegations
• 52:00 – 62:37 – Friendship dynamics, how male and female friendships differ
• 63:19 – Closing the friendship conversation: loyalty and longevity

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Episode Takeaways

• Philly’s rap culture is rich and often underappreciated, with heated debate among the hosts about bars, influence, and overlooked icons like Eve and Gilly.
• The music industry remains transactional, with “friendships” often conditional on current value. The Khaled/T-Pain situation is just one example.
• The Diddy documentary raises overdue questions about morality, power, and accountability—forcing the hip-hop world to reckon with harmful legacies.
• Male and female friendship operate differently, and the hosts hilariously deconstruct why men’s friendships often hinge on loyalty and time, not emotional intimacy.
• Signature humor and banter: Even heavy moments are laced with the group’s irreverence and inside jokes, making this an excellent showcase of the New Rory & Mal vibe.

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[Damaris]

The Volume.

[Beans]

Do we want to stay just quickly in music? Not that. I mean, this may be more of a Patreon thing. I'm just a rap nerd. Beans put out his list. The top five Philly rappers, excluding himself. I was actually curious what your list would be.

[Damaris]

Philly rap.

[Beans]

Yeah. So this is Bean's top five greatest Philly without him, of course. Number one, Black Thought. Number two, Young Chris 3. Freeway 4. Meek Mill 5. Gilly.

[Damaris]

Excluding him.

[Beans]

Yeah.

[Maul]

I would want to hear where y' all put Beans on there, though. I know he excluded him, but y' all should.

[Damaris]

Beans is number two to me.

[Beans]

My list would be Black Thought, 1. Beans 2. Freeway 3. Chris 4.

[Damaris]

Actually, I got to stop lying.

[Beans]

I don't know where to put Eve.

[Maul]

I'm capping right now, having Meat solo.

[Damaris]

Beans is number one.

[Beans]

I'm not mad at that. Beans be number one. Beans is one of my.

[Damaris]

Like, Black Thought is a alien. He could probably rap better than 99% of on planet Earth.

[Beans]

I would say 100%.

[Damaris]

But I don't listen to Black Thought as much as I listen to Bean.

[Maul]

Okay, but we're talking about greatest rappers.

[Beans]

I listen to Beans more like.

[Maul]

And me and you have had this discussion, too, where just because you listen to something more doesn't make it greater. So greater rappers.

[Damaris]

I'm still going.

[Beans]

I, I, my, my five, I'm sticking with. I'm just. I feel like Eve deserves to be in that five. But I have Black Thought. Beans, Freeway, Chris, Meek. But I want Eve to be somewhere there because she deserves to be there.

[Damaris]

She does. But if it's five I don't like, I ain't.

[Beans]

Does Chris rap better than Eve? Of course. But I still have to put in, like, Gilly. Look at what Eve has done.

[Maul]

Gilly rap better than Eve. Yes. Okay. I'm not familiar with Gilly's pen.

[Beans]

No, Gilly's a great rapper.

[Damaris]

Yeah, no, Gilly's a really, really, really good rapper. He does. He raps better than Eve.

[Maul]

Just wonder.

[Beans]

Yeah, Gilly raps better than Meek. Yeah, but I put Meek there just because of what Meek has accomplished with songs. And. But Gilly rap better than Meek.

[Damaris]

For sure.

[Beans]

I think Meek would probably say that.

[Damaris]

No, he does. It's not. I mean, it's not. He does. Gilly. Listen, a lot of y' all met Gilly through podcasting. Like.

[Beans]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

You know what I'm saying?

[Beans]

Like, I remember when he was trying to sign Gilly.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Was putting out. You know, he was dropping joints. He was on every dvd. Like, Gilly definitely raps better than a lot of people think. And a lot of people really don't know Gilly's, you know, his. His. His bars like that. But trust and believe. He's definitely one of the illest episodes.

[Beans]

And it puts some respect just on Philly, period. I mean, the way people talk about Hov taking young Chris's flow, people can say the same thing about Wayne. When everything shifted, it was a Gilly flow.

[Damaris]

It was definitely a Gilly flow.

[Beans]

I mean, Philly said Gilly said you.

[Damaris]

Was wearing soft toe Reeboks when I met you.

See, I wasn't watching.

[Beans]

Gilly's flow is iconic. The way Wayne we talk about being so influential. Like, there's a Gilly flow.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Beans]

Like, I'm not on the side that he, you know, ghost writ everything for Wayne or. I don't even want to get in the weeds of that. But Philly, between Detroit and Philly, I think, are probably the two best cities of just straight rapping. Like, if you just go, you just gotta rap.

[Damaris]

New York's not in there just to rap.

[Maul]

Nah song. He not some more songwriter. Yeah.

[Beans]

He's talking just to bars.

[Maul]

Just bars.

[Beans]

Philly and Detroit. There, man.

[Damaris]

That's top two to you. You bugging the fuck out, man. You think Detroit rap better than in New York? You crazy as a motherfucker.

[Beans]

All right. Big Pun versus Eminem. And, you know, I'm not even a big EM fan like that.

[Damaris]

Why you snatch Big Pun?

[Beans]

Cause how you. We're doing New York. Doing New York.

[Damaris]

How did you get that? That was.

[Maul]

That was horrible.

[Damaris]

This is what they try to do.

[Beans]

That was that.

[Damaris]

Big Pun and Eminem. What kind of matchup is that?

[Beans]

We're talking about people that just. Just rap. Really? We don't think Big Pun raps really, really, really well.

[Damaris]

Yes, but I'm saying Pun is not.

[Beans]

One of the best rappers from New York.

[Damaris]

Yeah. All right, so why you didn't name Jay Z? Why you didn't name Nas?

[Beans]

I think Pun and M have a similar flow than Nas and Eminem or Jay and Eminem. I think Pun and Eminem are closer to together as far as how they rap.

[Damaris]

What? Do you know how Jay started rapping?

[Beans]

Yeah, like the fucking double time.

[Damaris]

That's not what M does.

[Beans]

Dead in the middle of Italy. Like, I can't even do that shit. That's M to me.

[Damaris]

That's one rap. That's one part of a rap you talking about. That wasn't Pun style throughout his career for sure.

[Beans]

But I mean, the first album be rapping. Rapping like he rap with Black Thought.

[Damaris]

Actually, no Pun. No, don't. Don't get it twisted.

[Beans]

But matter of fact, I interviewed somebody, name it Black Thought. And the first thing when he even got on Pun's album was just in Philly. It was like, yo, that's the one in New York that just raps better than everybody. That's why he wanted to get on that shit. Because Pun was one of those.

[Damaris]

I'm not saying Pun wasn't, but it's just weird for you to say Pun versus Eminem. Like, who's Hawaiian? He might be the first person to ever.

[Beans]

So he defines Jay Z and how his rap style is.

[Damaris]

No, I'm not saying that. But you might be the first person to ever say Big Pun or Eminem. You might be the first person to ever say that.

[Beans]

I don't, you know, speak to me. I'm not doubling down just because I'm fucking hard headed. I do think that's a very fair comparison if you're doing Detroit versus New York of who raps similar. Pun and Em are very close in that regard.

[Damaris]

All right, I'm taking Pun.

[Beans]

Well, I am too, but that's biased.

[Damaris]

So what are we talking about? So now the golden horse of Detroit is out. So now who you got?

[Beans]

I leave New York away from all these conversations.

[Damaris]

Don't do that. Nah. You said Detroit and Philly are the best rap cities. That's what you said.

[Beans]

Yeah, because in Detroit you have M, Royce, Elzai.

[Damaris]

Yep. Legends. Rappers for real.

[Beans]

I'm just having a brain fart.

[Damaris]

It's okay. Fart.

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[Damaris]

Should I start naming New York? Because I can. Like, if you want me to start naming New York for you, I can. You know, who would you name in New York?

[Maul]

Taking away song making ability.

[Damaris]

Just rap.

[Maul]

Just rap. Taking away songs.

[Beans]

Because why I'm making that comparison is yes, of course. New York freestyle like that. But New York was so focused on making songs from the 90s and the 2000s. In Philly and Detroit, they was just rapping hours on end, just rapping.

[Damaris]

Philly is one of my favorite rap cities. You'll never hear Me say anything about the spitters. I'm talking about the niggas that really could rap from Philly. Like, it's incredible bars that we can. We can quote. But when you say best rap cities and you go Detroit and Philly, and it's like, I think.

[Beans]

I think M, Royce, and Elzai is the craziest three when it comes to just rapping, like, period.

[Damaris]

Jay, Nause and Big, they focus more on the show. We talking about.

What are you talking about? Nobody raps better than Jay, Nas, and Big. Nobody on planet.

[Beans]

I mean, I'm not gonna disagree. You know where my bias stands on everything.

[Damaris]

But so what are we talking about?

[Maul]

People gonna give you on y' all ass fighting for Eminem to be better than all three of them. Y' all do not know it.

[Damaris]

Better than who Jay nasal Big yeah, people, you better go back and listen to some music. Jay Z, Nas and Biggie are the.

[Beans]

Best, but, like, I always take J over M and any category, but I can totally see why someone be like, not M. If you print out a piece of paper. Yes, he's rapping better than everybody who. That's what I'm talking about.

[Maul]

Somebody from LA is screaming across the.

[Damaris]

Coast right now about LA rappers. No respect to all the. All the major cities. You know, we. We can name a bunch of cities. But I'm just saying. Rory said, I made the argument the.

[Beans]

Last 10 years, and LA has been out rapping everybody.

[Damaris]

The LA's been out rapping everybody.

[Beans]

Yeah, he's had this conversation. Yeah, easy. But if you're going back to the 90s, like, yeah, is Snoop incredible? Of course. But it doesn't add up to all the rappers that were in New York at that time. If you talk about rapping every time.

[Damaris]

Yeah. You say Snoop name. I just think about that. Snoop and DMX versus. I hate that verses so much. I hate that they did that. That matchup. You didn't hate that matchup?

[Beans]

Of course I did.

[Damaris]

I hate it. I really can't believe they did that.

[Beans]

Like, DMX said he was molested and y' all kept dancing, but see, you.

[Damaris]

He always gotta make it weird.

[Beans]

See, that was. That was my takeaway from that.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I just. I hated that. I never think that Snoop and DMX was supposed to be in the Versus against each other. Like, that was. I didn't like that matchup. But rest in peace to the ex.

[Maul]

To be fair. Sorry, who would you have rather matched them up with? Because what I saw that was. I saw that as more of a celebration than a real versus. Because who would you put them against?

[Damaris]

Snoop.

[Maul]

Snoop might be easier. Who would you put DMX against?

[Beans]

Uh.

Hmm.

[Damaris]

I don't know who I would have put X against. I would have to think about that because we're recording. I can't really think of it, but I just didn't. I remember when they announced that I was just like, Snoop versus dmx. It just. That was just. It just never felt. I mean, we looking at it. We Snoop Dogg and then DMX was the dog, man. I think they tried to lean. They went that way with it. But if you talking about catalog and, you know, skill set and it just. It wasn't a good matchup.

[Maul]

No, for sure. But that's why I said I think some of. I think some of the verses were more celebrations than.

[Damaris]

No, that's what I mean, that's what it turned out to be. You know what I'm saying? But I just didn't like. I remember when they announced that I was kind of like, I don't really like that, but I was happy that they gave DMX that platform because a lot of people needed a. A history lesson on dmx. So that was dope.

[Beans]

I think that kind of ties into the T Pain rant on Club Shay. Shay. Let me not call it a rant. I hate that word. He. He was talking about Khaled during his Club Sh. Shay shit. And saying more or less. I'm paraphrasing. Cali was my best friend when he needed me for the first three albums. And then. Yeah, then after that, when I got a little colder, I don't hear from Cal.

I. Okay. You know, I. Teddy Bender ass is one of my favorite of all time. I'm not here to even defend this. It's the music industry. Why would you expect Scala to be your friend?

[Damaris]

I get. I get what you're saying.

[Beans]

Maybe it's because I'm so jaded at this point and we've had a similar conversation. I don't have the expectations of people anymore. Will I look at it kind of funny if we was sitting in the studio for 10 years straight and we brothers this and that and having fun, and then all of a sudden you don't call. Yeah, I think that's corny and weird.

[Damaris]

So that's what he's saying. I don't like that's what he's saying.

[Beans]

I don't expect it.

[Damaris]

But that's what he's saying, though. Like, if we did all of that, we have all of this history together. We probably had some heart to heart conversations, spent a lot of time, you know, families probably know each other to an extent. Like. And then all of a sudden like, I can't get a.

[Beans]

All we did was win.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I can't get a return phone call. I can't. If I reached out for something, maybe, you know, I wanted you on a record and I couldn't get that from you. I could understand T Pain's stance of, you know, fuck DJ Khaled. But the thing I don't understand is, and I've said it and people kill me for saying it, but DJ Khaled is obviously very self serving.

[Beans]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

And I don't understand how people don't understand or see that by now. Like he's very self serving.

[Beans]

Sure.

[Damaris]

Which is fine. You know what I'm saying?

[Beans]

That's why he's been the businessman that he's been in the music business.

[Damaris]

Right. So I mean, but again, T Pain probably felt like they were a little closer, a little better than that. And you know, I mean it is what it is. If that's what his stance is. If his stance is he's not fucking with Khaled and I'm sure he has. Cause T Pain is not somebody that I can remember ever having a real issue with anybody other than Autotune.

[Beans]

And I don't want to talk about Khed's character per se because I don't really know Khed as, as a human being. But when I was at Def Jam, he was an executive. While I was at Def Jam, he was an executive there and an executive at Sony, which was unheard of. He's also a DJ executive and DJs are only working with what's hot at the moment. There is no tie to anything. Khed actually doesn't, I don't think gets the credit. He deserves to be the executive that he is. But he has the mind of a DJ and executive. He's only going to with what's hot and pitch it as if they're brother. You don't think Leora Cohen's self serving?

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Beans]

You don't think Lucian Grange is self serving?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Beans]

You don't think Kevin L. That's why I said is, is self. Not self serving like as humans in their personal lives, like I'm sure with their families, they're amazing people.

[Damaris]

Yeah. But business you talking about?

[Beans]

Yeah.

[Maul]

You have to be to be successful.

[Beans]

Listen, those companies, Those companies are net 30, net 60, net 90. Not just with paying people, but also with the relationship with that person. Andre 3000 you're only as funky as your last cut. I don't owe you shit.

[Damaris]

But you can't say because you don't.

[Beans]

Know that, because music. Because music is so emotional and you're pouring your life into it. Some. Some people, rightfully so, view it as that. It's not. It's a transaction.

[Damaris]

No, but.

[Beans]

Which is fucked up. I don't abide by that. I'm not one of those people.

[Damaris]

It's not for some people. It's not. Because you have a lot of artists.

[Beans]

I'm not one of those people.

[Damaris]

I know that. But I'm just saying you have a lot of. You have a lot of artists and a lot of producers that work together that are very close, that are like family. And I feel like, you know, maybe Khaled may. Well, maybe T Pain felt like that was him and Khaled, like. Like, we can go back and look at the history T Pain was on every big Khaled record when it was we the best and all of that. Like, it was T Pain everywhere. I mean, it was Ace Hood everywhere. And now both of these gentlemen have, you know, certain feelings towards DJ Khaled, but, I mean, it's looking like they're both in the same boat. And they're right. Like, Khaled used them when they was hot. You know, it was making a lot of records, making big songs together. Then once Bieber sent his vocals back, he was like, fuck Ace Hood. Fuck T Pain. Once you get in future vocals and Beyonce vocals and Rihanna vocals. I don't need T Pain no more. When I got Future, I don't need, you know, Ace Hood. When I got HOV sending, you know, versus back, and I got Nas in the studio and I got, you know. So, I mean, T Pain probably feel like, all right, well, I asked for a record, which is probably what he did, and Khaled didn't get back to him, didn't respond. And so now he's like, okay, it's like that. All right, well, then this is how I feel. Fuck you. And T Pain is not wrong for that because, again, this is the music industry, and we know it's business. But through business and through, you know, spending so much time working with certain people, you build a relationship, you build a chemistry, you build a friendship, you build even family at some point. We've seen a lot of people in the industry become family through working with each other. And, you know, sometimes it goes that way. Sometimes it's. You find out this person was just using you. And I think that's where T Pain is at.

[Beans]

Yeah. Where do you, I mean, where do you fall on the side of if you're not being used, you're useless.

[Damaris]

I mean, yes.

[Beans]

Not about T Pain, by the way.

[Damaris]

No, no, no, I, I, I get what you're saying.

[Beans]

Because my problem with this whole thing is Khaled is creative enough and T Pain is a goat. You could okhed and T Pain could make a hit record right now.

[Damaris]

100%, but. 100%, but, you know, it's, I mean, listen, man, I'm not the biggest, like, I don't like many of the Khaled projects albums. I don't go back to a lot of those.

[Beans]

The early ones, I definitely like.

[Damaris]

Well, the early one. Yeah, that's who was on the early ones, I think.

[Beans]

What's the one with his son on the COVID That is his son. Eps. I love that one.

Yeah. I don't want to mispronounce his son's name, but, yeah, I love that. That was probably my last favorite gallon.

[Damaris]

Yeah. But I just don't, you know, I get it, man. And it's a tough pill to swallow when you realize that people's only using you because you was hot at the moment. But it's a real thing.

[Beans]

And I mean, I hate to go back to the first point of executive and dj. Like, he's a dj. Even if you go to Flex, like, yeah, there's probably artists that had two great records in 98 that Flex played all the time. Just does Flex owe them the 2025 record they want to put out?

Like, he's a DJ. He just moves on to the next thing.

[Maul]

But that's completely, that's completely different, I'm sure.

[Beans]

And I hate to just put Flex in this. Even though I'm critical of Flex, I don't want to put something on his character. I'm sure Flex is called.

Mike Geronimo brother before. And I love Mike. Like, I'm just using an example of somebody that had a great record in the 90s. I'm sure Mike has went to Flex after, like, yo, I got this other record and Flex was moving on to DMX at that time. Like, Like, I'm just playing other.

[Damaris]

So you could do that. Then I could say, do you think that if Pat Poos ever went to Rest in Peace, K. Slay with a record, Slay wouldn't have played it.

No, wouldn't have happened.

[Beans]

Fair.

[Damaris]

Wouldn't have happened.

[Beans]

I'm trying to think, like, with Clue, not because even Clue, when I mean Ran is probably one of the best rappers of 20, 25, 24, 23. But I'm sure when Rand was trying to find a record, yeah, Clue played a lot of ran on the radio. Now I think about it.

[Damaris]

So we. We know DJs play, but he had.

[Beans]

Invested and I don't know Clue and Rand's actual personal relationship. I'm only outside looking in about the entire thing. Clue had an invested stock into a team with Pitch and and Ransom. So he had a incentive outside of probably loving their music. He wouldn't sign them if he didn't, but he had an incentive to do so. I mean, does Khed have an incentive outside? Ace Hood is a different conversation. But does Khed have an incentive outside of what's popular?

[Damaris]

I mean, but when it seems like. When it seems like, you know, you have new famous friends and then you forget about your old cause T. Pain is still famous.

[Beans]

And if you Payne's ever existed and.

[Damaris]

You forget about your old famous friends, that's corny to me.

[Beans]

I agree with you.

[Damaris]

I think it's corny. Yeah. That's all I'm saying.

[Beans]

I'm just viewing it down to what T. Pain said. Brother means nothing to the people in the music industry if you're music industry friends. I don't know if things are really okay in that way. You can't say that because I don't operate that way. But I don't expect other people to operate.

[Damaris]

No, no, I know, and I don't either. But we can't say brother means nothing to people in the music industry because to some people in the music industry, brother does mean something. And I have plenty of examples of brothers in the music industry for sure. So that's why, you know, just say brother don't mean nothing to Khaled.

It's okay.

[Beans]

Nor does Palestine.

[Damaris]

Yeah, nor does Palestine. Like, just. It's okay. Like, just say that. But don't. Don't make it a, you know, a music industry thing, because we do know the music industry is very cutthroat and it's very fucked up. But we also do know we have a lot of great relationships, great friends, and great family in the music industry as well.

[Beans]

All right, If Khalid got super cold after the second album, do you think T. Pain would be like, yo, let's. Let's do a record in 2025, and Payne never got cold to me. I'm just using an example. Do we think T. Pain would do the same thing?

[Damaris]

No, I don't think so.

[Beans]

You think he'd Be like, all right, let's Khaled. Because we had those first two projects. Let's. In 2025.

[Damaris]

I got you. Yeah. We've seen artists do it all the time. Artists that had hot records in the 90s, early 2000s, and then they come back in 2025 and be like, shit, Nas and Premier about to put out their first album.

[Beans]

But I mean, weird.

[Damaris]

No, I'm just saying. But they gave us something in the 90s. If they had been teasing an album.

[Beans]

For years, for 15 years, I want to say, and maybe more.

[Damaris]

And now it's finally. One of them picked up the second childhood.

[Beans]

Sorry.

[Damaris]

One of them picked up the phone and was like, yo. You know what I'm saying? And Nas could have been like, yo, nah, Prem, you ain't that hot right now to me. I. I'm just saying.

[Beans]

Wasn't bowling ball.

[Damaris]

I'm just saying he could just. I'm just saying he could have. He could have. Especially coming off all the hit boy shit, getting his first Grammy.

[Beans]

I just don't put Khaled in premiere in the same.

[Damaris]

No, I'm talking about the relationship.

[Beans]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

I'm talking about people still, you know, holding people to a certain regard, even. No matter if they hot, cold, whatever it is. If we made good chemistry together, made good songs, made good music together, I don't care if you not hot right now. Like, we made some shit together, and we probably still got some shit in the hard drive that we need to go revisit.

[Beans]

But, I mean, that speaks to Preem's character, too. Cause Preeminent will work with anyone. That's why I think he's a goat outside of all the amazing shit he did. But his him and Nas relationship started when Nas was nobody at 19 and gave him New York State a month. Preem was already on group home, had been out like Nas was nobody. He was like, yo, I got you, right? Preem is just a different type of human being in that regard. If he fucks with you, doesn't matter how popular you are, he'll go, so.

[Damaris]

Say fuck and say brother means nothing to Khaled.

[Beans]

Preem is an amazing human being.

[Damaris]

So say brother, I can speak to.

[Beans]

I don't know Preem. I know Preem well.

[Damaris]

Say brother. Nothing to Khaled. Don't say the people in the music industry. That's all I'm saying.

[Beans]

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[Damaris]

You're right, man.

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[Damaris]

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[Beans]

I did finish the Diddy doc yesterday.

[Damaris]

Diddy Doc, the Reckoning.

[Beans]

And I rushed, I rushed back to the house to watch it because I thought it was gonna get taken down because his lawyers did send some C and ds, which once you get to episode two, you start to see why.

[Damaris]

Listen, I finished the doc hit last night here before I went home. I was like, let me watch it because I did feel like it was gonna be taken down soon since Cease and Desist was sent out. And I would've been mad cause I watched the first two episodes and I was like, oh shit, okay, yeah, so let me watch the next two. And.

Listen, if everything in that doc is real and true.

I think we all like, we all owe a lot of people. Like, damn. Cause we watched it happen.

[Beans]

Yes.

[Damaris]

Like years of watching shit like it was right in front of us. Things happened. And you know, one of the things that I did take away from the doc because you know, you go back and they was, you know, telling things that happened and then from people that really were close to Puff and grew up with him and was there from day one and just hearing the way they spoke about him and then watching things that, you know, happen publicly and things, it was definitely like, damn, like how the fuck did this continue to just happen right in front of us and nobody, you know, and y' all know all the time, I always say people don't care. Like we pretend like we care. And when things happen, like oh my God, prayers, condolences. And then we hit scroll and then there's no more prayers and condolences and things like that. But the documentary did shed a lot of light on a lot of things that I didn't know about. Gave the testimony of people that were, you know, spent a lot of years around Diddy working with him, whether it was personal or just business.

And I can see why his lawyers did want to cease and desist, because it does. It can paint a different picture for people who supported Diddy over the years. It definitely paints him in an entirely different light, an entirely different perspective of the man that many of us have supported over the years. But overall, I thought it was a very informative doc. I thought it was, you know, it's fucked up what happened. But it was a good documentary, though.

[Beans]

Yeah. That's why we gave 50 a little bit of shit last episode. Just because we thought, like, all right, is this him just being petty because of their history and his child's mother and, like, are we gonna get one of those clipped together Hulu docs? That is just like, this was a money grab and unnecessary as far as the dot goes. It was very informative and very well put together. Yeah. Like, episode one was. I thought I, like, really knew the Diddy story for the most part. It was a very informative Diddy doc, like, just in general about his life and his family life.

But once you get to episode two, things do start to fall off the rails. Was there any new information on here for you? Because, I mean, I know we're a little closer to everything than the average consumer when it comes to this type of stuff.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Beans]

As far as the music industry, I know a lot of people learned a lot of things for the first time in the stock, which I think is great. But was there anything in here? You were like, yo, what the fuck?

[Damaris]

Well, when they said that the Wallace estate paid for the funeral, but then they came out to prove that that wasn't true, that Wallace estate did not pay for Biggie's funeral. That was something that I was like, wait, hold up. Like, again, if any of that is true, and they saying that that's not true. But that was definitely one of the things that I was completely thrown off by. Like, I was like, I never heard that, never knew that. And if that is true, that's fucking crazy.

[Beans]

Yeah. In the doc, it explained it as if Bad Boy paid for the funeral, but it came out of Biggie's recording budget, so it was a line item in A P and L. But this morning, Lauren LaRosa had went on The Breakfast Club and said she spoke with Biggie's estate former manager, and he said he has been on the royalty statements since the very day that Big passed away. And that never happened. Bad Boy paid for everything. That wasn't something that came out of Biggie's budget.

[Maul]

Okay, so I have a question. This is devil's advocate, because I know everybody's bleeding hearts, but don't most humans pay for their own funerals? So when people were like, he didn't pay for his funeral, I'm like, don't most people pay for their own funerals? That doesn't happen.

[Damaris]

Well, if you have life insurance and things like that, like a policy. Yeah, but the thing was, the way they said it in the doc made it seem like it came directly out of, like, money that was his. So essentially, look, Biggie made Bad Boy money, right? So even if Bad Boy paid for it, in a way, Biggie paid for the funeral, right? Yeah, but the way they broke it down, the way they explained it in the doc, it made it seem like, you know, because they were saying. Puff was saying, this is going to be the biggest funeral ever. This, that, and third, but Biggie's going to pay for it. So when you hear it that way and you like. And then they're saying like, yeah, he's the one. It came out of the Wallace estate or whatever, it was like, that's a little crazy if they did it that way. But in a way, yes, you're right. You do kind of. You do pay for your own funeral. It does come out of funds that you have, whether it's life insurance or, you know, again, being one of the biggest artists in the world at the time for the label, if the label pays for it, you can kind of say that you worked for it, you grossed that money for the label. So, yeah, I get it. But just hearing it that way was definitely like, wait, what do you mean Biggie paid for his own funeral?

[Beans]

Yeah, it's more of a. A moral thing because, like, how they even painted it in the doc with that segment. It was like, all right, Big thought he was going to London. Puff said, nah, we're going to go to LA to promote the album. Even though we know it's probably not safe. We've been getting death threats. Probably not the best time to go over there. But they were painting Puff's arrogance where he felt like he was so bulletproof, it didn't matter of what the truth was. So he dragged Biggie there to promote an album that was signed to Bad Boy, unfortunately, that happens to Big.

Then he, to Maul's point, says it's about to be the biggest funeral. But, like, wait, does Ms. Wallace want it to be the biggest funeral? If you're paying for it. All right, like, cool. You can bad boy up this entire thing.

[Maul]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Beans]

If you're paying for it. Then right after that, he was supposed to get the COVID of Rolling Stone, like a few weeks after the funeral.

[Damaris]

And that was crazy.

[Beans]

Which I've heard that before. I'm pretty sure that's factual.

[Damaris]

That was crazy.

[Beans]

So right after allegedly, you don't pay for the funeral. Now you switch the COVID That was supposed to, you know, honor. Honor your. Your best friend. You switch it to you because you have to do the no way out shit. You're leading single, which make makes you God knows how much money is I'll be missing you, which you promote immediately, which I get. It's a tribute song. But we know Puff's mind. Of course he was mourning, but he's going to take advantage of that moment. And yeah, it looked all nasty when you add all those things together. If Big's family indeed had to pay for the entire thing. But it turned out that that was not the case, and Puff did pay for it. But still nasty.

[Maul]

Well, if so, if that can be questioned, then don't we now question the integrity of the entire doc?

[Beans]

Well, that's. That's why lawyers love this type of shit and why I know they're going to amplify that. Biggie's estate said this because, you know, it's similar to what we even saw with Diddy's sexual assault cases where we saw the Cassie one and we saw the footage, but then a bunch of people came out the woodworks where stuff looked like, all right, this is true over here, but this seems like some bullshit money grab, kick him while he's down, maybe he'll settle type of thing. And that's what lawyers use to be like, see, this case is bullshit, so everything must be bullshit. And that's never really what it is. Yeah, like, sometimes misunderstandings happen in there. I don't know if there was much in the doc that couldn't be proven to be true outside of that one. I mean, I think the Tupac thing, they didn't say it in a fact. They alluded to it, but. Which, I mean, we can discuss, do, I think just speculation. No one knows this to be a fact. Do I think that Puff probably said to some gang members in passing or in a room, put Some money on their heads. Yeah, I do think that happened. But do I think the people that allegedly killed Tupac went to Vegas with the thought, we're going there to kill Tupac so we can get the bounty money that Puff put up? No, I think Pac punched the wrong Crip that had a beef with the people he was rolling with. And Crips do what Crips do.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that. That.

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That was.

[Damaris]

That was.

[Beans]

And then whether there was a bounty or not, I think those Crips do what they did regardless. Now, once it's done, I might as well go collect some money for it, too.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's. That was the kind of what I took from it. It's just something that just happened to happen that night after a conversation, however many days or weeks ago.

So it kind of lined up that way. But, you know, overall, the documentary, to me, just. It gives a different perspective on somebody that we. We've only known publicly. Not much personal knowledge of the type of person that he is, but just, again, to hear those people talking. I forgot the gentleman's name. That was actually with Bad boy from day one, who he took the 25% stock in bad Boy from. Yeah, just hearing him talk and then, you know, it's like, guys like that, you know, here's somebody that we've never heard from. I've never seen him sit down and talk about D. I just don't think that he would sit there and fabricate something at this point, like, what does he have to gain from that? Yeah, you know what I mean? His story, his truth, whatever happened and why he signed over the 25% that he owned of Bad Boy. I mean, I just think that he. I don't think that he has to lie about those type of things and circumstances that happened around that whole thing. But overall, I mean, it was very informative. It shed some light on a lot of things. Hearing from testimony from certain people. Even some of the jurors spoke about why they didn't find him guilty on, you know, the sexual assault charges and things like that. And the jurors said it. It was like, yo, it's hard to, you know, find him guilty of that. Yes, we see the tape, and we see the video of him assaulting a woman, but then we also have footage of them hours later at a gala together. And I know how abuse is, whether it's physical, whether it's verbal, whether it's mental. People are victims. But it's hard to tell a jury to find somebody guilty of this when you have more Footage of them on vacations together after that, and this, that, and third. And it's like, well, yes, we do think that this was toxic, this was wrong. Things happen. But at the same time, do we find him guilty of these things? Because it does take. You know, it takes two.

[Beans]

And to give the jurors some grace there too, I blame more of the prosecution. Like, yeah, we all saw the Cassie tapes, all that. Like, not. That's not what he was charged for. Do I think Diddy is a guilty human being? Of course I do.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Beans]

But you guys put up a bunch of shit that you couldn't even really prove happened. And all the stuff that we did know to be true, he's not charged for. So if I'm a jury, I'll be sitting there like, yeah, I think guy's a piece of shit.

[Damaris]

But that's not what he said.

[Beans]

This is the system America has made where you have to prove the charges that you have right here. And you're not doing that. So what am I supposed to do? Yeah, say he's guilty for something that's not in the court right now. I can't do that.

[Damaris]

The one thing that stood out to me in the DOC was how around every tragic thing that happened in his life, he was the one that came out of it. You know, whether it's like his career elevated out of each of these tragedies. And that's kinda like. That raises a nod, bro. Like, how come you the only one that benefited from these tragedies? Like, life got, you know, from the. I guess from what we see and what we know, seems like life got better for you after these tragedies. Success happens, you know, and it's like.

Why is that? To me, that's the one thing I took from the doc, Even going back to the city college, you know, stampede, that happened, you know, at that time, Puff was just a party promoter in the city. Young kid throwing parties, you know, bringing people together, trying to have a good time. But even out of that, there was an elevation. You go get to uptown after that, you know what I'm saying? And then you and Andre Harrell fall out. And then you take what you learn from Andre Harrell, where, you know, like, I'll be showing these people was talking like, none of these guys got really paid from, like, they got that they advanced. But after that, a lot of these artists struggled. Go to bad boy, you start your thing. A lot of those artists can say the same thing. Craig Mack has. He's Grammy nominated, He has a number One song and barely pay his bills. And then he asks you for money and his wife says you pull out a $100 bill and give it to him. It's like for people to have these stories, it's like.

Something somebody ain't. Everybody can't be lying. Like that's just my thing. When everybody get to talking, it's like.

[Maul]

Where there's smoke, there's fire.

[Damaris]

Yeah, Everybody can't be lying. Now is there some things that you know, is it 100% true? And maybe that's their perspective on how things happen. We understand how things get a little blurry there. But the bottom line is when you look at, you know, the things that happened as far as the tragedies and then look and saw how Puff was able to elevate from that and, and was the one that kind of became, you know, the star and things like that.

It does raise a eyebrow. Like that's something that you kind of gotta look at with a side eye. Like something ain't right here.

[Beans]

Yeah, I mean, Puff came across as probably the greatest self preservation human being I've ever seen. To your point. Every time something bad happened to everyone, including himself in that circle, he would find a way for everyone else to be the fall people. And for him to continue on, no matter what scheme or way he had to go about it, he will he always going to self preserve no matter what. Even with the bad boy family. Well, I'm not going down, right. I got to keep the family moving. Do you think that started around the city College thing? Because I almost watched it like kind of in reverse in my head towards the end thinking of that, that moment. Yes, Puff was just a young party promoters to the cops probably had a better structure there. Should Puff have maybe had better security? Of course there's a bunch of what ifs there. Not saying he's completely innocent, but still he's throwing a charity basket. He doesn't know about that shit. It's unfortunate what happened because he got out of that scot free and then even said himself at that point, I had never been that famous in my life. I immediately became famous because of a tragedy. Do you think that started the mind state he had of being so metaphorically bulletproof in any situation. I can get away with anything.

[Damaris]

Well, yeah.

[Beans]

I mean, I can have someone shoot Suge's man in front of a fucking club in Atlanta. It's gonna happen to me. I can shoot up a club with JLo. Nothing's gonna happen to me. Yeah, like that I think is where he started to build that mentality along with drugs, to just start seeing the world as objects and opportunities, like Kim Porter. That was the opportunity. He. He had clearly had a very fragile and crazy ego. So. Because that was Albie Shore's girl, I'm a getter. He says his other baby mother. Oh, that's somebody else's 50s baby. Like, he has that mentality where this isn't because I want that woman. It's because I want that object, opportunity and ego boost for the people around me.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Beans]

That I think just built more and more throughout the years because he. He never really took an L. Yeah, I, like, I don't get it, but I could see how that trajectory mixed with pink cocaine could get you to the place that he treats the world the way he does. Of course I can beat up Cassie.

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[Beans]

Why can't I do that? Look at everything I've done and gotten away with. It's almost like he has, like, the mentality of, like, that rich kid that had a billionaire father that knew they could do anything and dad will get him out of it, but Puff would get himself out of it. Yeah, I think he had that same mentality as the years went on.

[Damaris]

Well, I mean, people that grew up with him and they spoke to that, how they started to see the change in him. And then Mark Curry was talking about the intro and the album things he was saying. Now he talking like a gangster. I put a million dollars on your head, get you erased. Mark is like, the fuck? When did that. Like, when you start talking like that? So you gotta look at those things and kinda say, okay, yeah, where did it start? And I think the documentary did a good job at kind of trying to point that out. Like when the ego came into play, when the God complex came into play, and then talking to people who were directly close to him, who was speaking to certain things that they saw and experienced. And again, you watch it, you take what you take from it. I don't think I learned too much. I mean, it was interesting to see them put everything together from the very beginning of, you know, Puff being a party promoter and trying to get into the industry to where he ultimately ended up today. I thought they did a good job with that, but overall, I mean, you know, definitely. Probably one of the better Diddy documentaries I think I watched.

[Beans]

Yeah, I mean, it's definitely in a way different way up there with the Apple music. What was that Can't Stop, Won't Stop about just bad boy in general? I think I maybe like that one Better, because I didn't know about all of this, where it was like, oh, I can enjoy the music and the artists. And this, you know, was obviously a tough watch. But back to the God complex thing. Did you ever see the Anthony Weiner documentary? I suggest everyone go back and watch a very fascinating documentary, just about the last year of him in politics and him getting caught again when he was running for mayor. Like, everyone kind of forgave him. And then it was like, wait, you're still sending dick pics to young girls? Like, is wrong with you? They filmed the entire thing. And the whole time I'm watching it, I'm going, why is Anthony Weiner allowing them to film this? Why am I able to see these moments? I felt that with Puff two of the God complex. Why are you being filmed in a hotel talking to your lawyer that way about what type of defense that you need? Yeah, like, where in your brain? Why are you filming this?

[Damaris]

That was the one thing. Even with the daddy dog. It's like, how did 50 get his hands on this? So, like, how did that happen?

[Beans]

There's been conflicting reports, but what I did see, that seems like it would be the most truthful one. Netflix was somewhat involved with Diddy shooting a documentary going into the trial stuff.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Beans]

Because Puff was very confident in his God complex that he was going to be found innocent. And once again, to your point, he would try and fall from the ashes. And here comes Puff with this doc of like, damn, look what we put him through with the trial. Trial. And he was innocent the whole time. I think that's what Puff had in mind.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Beans]

And I think Netflix was already involved. Once you get arrested, I don't really know what happens with the rights of stuff or if anyone got paid. Netflix may have owned that footage.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Beans]

And then, you know, here comes 50. You guys own what?

[Damaris]

Yeah, I know.

[Beans]

Wait, what'd you say?

[Damaris]

I know.

[Beans]

I know.

[NBA Announcer]

What?

[Beans]

Editor 50 probably opened his MacBook and was like, you know what? I'll do it.

[Damaris]

Yeah, man. The. The part with Little Rod. Little Rod is his name. Yeah, man, I feel bad for him.

[Beans]

I. I don't feel bad laughing at some of the stuff that was in the reports just because how it read. I think as humans, we're allowed to laugh sometimes when something appears to just sound funny when you read it in paperwork. But once, like, he humanized it and you heard it from him. Yeah, I was like, yeah, he got. He got done dirty. I'm sorry, man. Yeah, they did him dirty outside of. Of the adult grooming. Producer, grooming also. What do you get, like 17K or some.

[Damaris]

No, you said he got 20, 29,000.

[Beans]

And then those voice notes, like pure God complex manipulation. Like, Puff, I was just on a yacht when you spent 100 grand on gas for that thing. Can you pay me the money that you already said you owed me?

[Maul]

How much did he say that he owed him? I didn't watch.

[Beans]

He said 250 was what he was supposed to get for producing on a love album. Yeah, he ended up getting.

[Damaris]

Yeah, like 29, 29,000 out of 250,000 in puffs that he was gonna give him.

Yeah, man, it's tough, man. And it's not. And you know, the fucked up part is there's so many people that have a story like that in the industry, produce some incredible records, incredible songs. And you know, just because you chasing the dream and you know you get flown out to fucking Italy on a yacht with somebody that you looked up to as a kid. And now you working with him and producing music with him and he telling you he gonna give you 250,000. You like, fuck it. Whatever I gotta do to get this album done. And you know, like, if I gotta witness some crazy shit, if I gotta be a part of some crazy shit, you know, it's just. It's fucked up. But people prey on people like that. Cause they know that they need that opportunity and they, you know, they need that moment to kinda like be able to, like you said, take care of his family and his kids and have his kids be able to take care of their kids. That's what he was chasing. And that was. That was his, you know, his goal. But.

Voice notes, man, Puff was like, yo, you know what I'm saying? Like, I know. You know what I'm saying. I know you ain't going crazy. I was like that manipulation.

[Beans]

Oh, yeah. And then the, like, now I feel like I gotta look at you crazy.

[Damaris]

Yeah, Like, I don't want to look at you crazy.

[Beans]

Like, wait, I'm crazy because I'm asking for the money that you. You said that you would pay me. Yeah, you came up with that number. I didn't come up with that number.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it's tough.

[Beans]

But that's also like. And I won't say it doesn't happen in other businesses, but adding on to why the music industry is so up, a lot of that weird can happen in the environment of creating music. Like blocking out for the love sessions. I came on the spot, I went. I went to one of the love sessions. I was trying to get on that album. Nothing crazy was happening in there at all. But when you're blocking something out for a month, yeah, if I leave at 1am I don't know what the. Is happening at 3am But a lot of producers are still there actually there just to make music. Now you're complicit into this whole thing. Like, I don't think Lil Rod did anything wrong when they went to the. The strip club on the boat. Yo, take this bad boy hat on. They know what it means. Like, I'm here to produce, man. Like, But I get why Little Rod would just be like, all right, man, we just have.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you want me to go get.

[Beans]

Like, I'm not doing anything wrong. But not realizing that you are now complacent in a way bigger sex ring right now that you have no idea. You thinking, oh, he said, I'm the next member of the Hitman. I'll take a bad boy hat. Let me walk around the strip club with it. Not knowing that you are. Now they know. That's the. The. The. The flag. Oh, there's the guy that we need to go to to sell pussy. Yeah, perfect. We'll go to him. And Lil Rod's like, well, I'm going back to the studio. Yeah, no, we going back to studio.

[Damaris]

Yeah, we all going back. Yeah. It was tough, though. Did you watch it, Baby D? Did you finish it?

[Maul]

No, I didn't. I was just. I haven't even started it. That's why I was.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you should finish it before. Before it's taken down. Yeah, I do think it'll be taken down eventually.

[Beans]

The Aubrey o' Day segment was really tough to watch.

[Maul]

I. I heard about that.

[Beans]

I. I feel for her.

She told her story of. Of somebody on the staff had walked into one of the studios where Puff and another gentleman were having sex with her. She looked really out of it. Slump, like, she had clearly been drugged. She has no recollection of this whatsoever. But you could imagine the toll that would put on you if somebody was like, I 100% know. I walked in on you, Puff and another gentleman having sex. And you're like, I've. That never happened. And now you're starting to question everything because, you know, there's been crazy practices with shit getting drugged and this and that. And she even said, if this person's lying, and I keep going with it now, that gives Puff's team even more ammo.

[Damaris]

Mm.

[Beans]

And she's like, I know fucked up things happen. So if I pursue this and it ends up not being true. Now it's like, hey, look, they're lying over here.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Beans]

So she's in a weird, conflicted position there.

[Maul]

I can't imagine, because that came out in one of the civil suit accusers had said that in her affidavit that. I can't imagine hearing that for the first time. Like, oh, yeah, by the way, he. He raped you, too. He was, like, knocked out, slumped, like, what?

[Damaris]

Yeah. That's wild.

[Maul]

That's like, what?

[Damaris]

No worrying now.

[Beans]

I want to ask Damaris, have you ever been in a situation or seen the situation with two female best friends? You know, the women that are besties, they're not bisexual. They're besties, and they're fake gay with each other. Like, they would never, like, blow smoke.

[Damaris]

In each other's mouth.

[Beans]

Yeah. They would never bump coochie's. They're not like. But they'll, you know, bump coochie. They'll kiss after the hookah thing just for, like, laughs or, like, do a selfie. They're not really bisexual. They're just drunk. And besties. Has there been a situation where one.

Wasn'T doing the bestie plan? Yes. And the other bestie had to find that out the hard way?

[Maul]

Yes. That happens very.

[Damaris]

When one wasn't doing the bestie. What?

[Beans]

Sometimes one girl is actually bisexual, and this isn't just fun. Bestie energy at the hookah spot. She's here for game time. Some of them don't know she wants to bump coochie.

[Maul]

Some of them don't know, though. Some of them don't know.

[Damaris]

Some of them don't know what?

[Maul]

So a lot. Some women will have that relationship with a close friend of theirs and not realize that they're really sexually attracted until they've been doing the whole fake gay thing. And it's like, oh, like, it's stirring up feelings in me. Yeah, for sure.

[Damaris]

Like, don't.

[Maul]

That's how I found out I was gay.

[Damaris]

How did you find out you were gay?

[Maul]

I found that out from playing gay and realizing, oh, I'm not playing. Yeah. I found that out when I was younger.

[Beans]

Now, was the bestie. She was bisexual and was.

[Maul]

No.

[Beans]

Trying to turn you out or. Okay. Nope.

[Maul]

She was straight.

[Damaris]

And y' all had. This is something that y' all would do when y' all was, like, hanging out.

[Maul]

Just. Just. I don't want to get too deep into detail with it. For her own protection, but. Yeah, like.

[Damaris]

Yeah, her own protection is crazy.

[Beans]

No, no.

[Damaris]

These days, this is your friend.

[Beans]

But they. They put our address on the Internet, so. I mean, exactly.

[Maul]

So.

[Damaris]

Yo, Damaris finding out she's gay because she was just playing around. It's hilarious, bro.

[Maul]

It happened. It happens a lot. It happens a lot.

[Beans]

Every episode of Euphoria, it's like, I wasn't gay. I am now gay.

[Damaris]

Oh, my God. That is hilarious.

[Beans]

I'm sure that happens a lot, but sometimes, like, you know how.

[Damaris]

See, that's why I tell niggas, don't play gay games with me.

[Beans]

You gonna find out what male besties do.

[Damaris]

That's the thing. But, you know. You know the game.

[Maul]

White people, white frat boys.

[Damaris]

Yeah, y' all play the games. Y'.

[Beans]

All.

[Damaris]

Y' all do the games where, y'.

[Total Wireless Rep]

All.

[Beans]

You know, I get drunk and kiss my homeboy.

[Maul]

Now you, like, grab a ball in the locker room.

[Damaris]

I have never a ball in the locker if it ain't a basketball period. Like, you know. You know the games that white boys play. Like, I'll be standing here talking to a girl, my wife, and come up behind me and pull my shorts down to, like, you know.

[Beans]

Okay, so that's. That's our.

[Damaris]

The frat games. The frat games. Y' all play those type of games.

[Maul]

I never slapping each other's ass, but, like, gripping the. Gripping the. Like, the cuff. Good game, but you grip the cuff.

[Damaris]

Nah, we ain't play that in my hood. That. That never. That game didn't make it uptown after.

[Beans]

A good game is.

[Damaris]

Yeah, like, leaving your hand. Yeah, like that. We didn't need that jump shot that bad. Where you gotta grab my ass, bro.

[Maul]

I always thought that that good game was weird anyway. That nigga has mad body parts. Why are you tapping his ass?

[Damaris]

Well, it's not really. Like, we're not looking at it like, tapping his ass. It's kind of like a pat on the back, like.

[Maul]

But it's mad back. Like, a man's ass is little as fuck. It's mad back.

[Beans]

Patting a man's back might be gayer. You.

[Maul]

Nah, you skip the back and go and tap his ass.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it's a little homoerotic.

[Beans]

Yo, I'm not here to defend it. I don't. I don't fully understand it either, but, yeah, I mean, I guess because your arms are there after the free throw, it's just, like, in reaching distance.

[Damaris]

I'm not going to try it.

[Beans]

I didn't invent it.

[Damaris]

I'm a victim of that as well. Like, I've done it. I've received it. Like, let's be Honest. I played ball growing up. Like, it's. But we weren't looking at it. Like, yo, that's some weird. It was just that we did, but.

[Maul]

And then around don't, like, have no meat on your ass. And they can around and slap your, like, good game. You. You got recoil. Crazy.

[Beans]

Yeah. Jiggling after.

[Maul]

That's crazy.

[Damaris]

Your ass having recall as a man is wild, dog. Like, that is.

[Maul]

Wow.

[Beans]

And somebody notices it. Like, you got the football tights on. And they saw it. Yeah.

[Maul]

Like, because. Because that's my thing. Like, so you. Y' all do that to, like, even no ass, even the home. Because everybody know the football player with the fat ass. Like, we all went to school. Football player with the fat ass. You telling me you tapped his ass and you ain't feel it bounce back? Nah. You niggas is gay. I don't care.

[Beans]

We had on gloves.

[Damaris]

I didn't play football.

[Maul]

Basketball shorts looser.

[Damaris]

Yeah, listen, baby, I'm not here. I'm not here to argue with you or defend it. It's crazy. It is some weird shit. Like, I get it. But, you know, we weren't looking at it through that lens.

[Maul]

Some of y' all wasn't. Some of y'.

[Damaris]

All.

[Maul]

That's how some of y' all discovered.

[Beans]

Y' all was gay.

[Damaris]

That's a fact. Well, I definitely wasn't looking through it through that lens. I definitely. I didn't. That's why I stopped playing ball so many years ago.

[Beans]

I was like, that's why you gave up the game?

[Damaris]

I was like, yeah, this ain't for me.

[Beans]

You would have went to the league if they wasn't slapping asses, right?

[Damaris]

If they wasn't slapping asses, I might have went pro. I ain't gonna lie. Might have went pro.

[Beans]

That's how straight you are. I gave up a professional basketball game.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I was like, I don't like that shit.

[Beans]

So what happens if you get up after this and Peach goes, good pod?

[Damaris]

Yeah. Nah, we not doing that.

[Beans]

That's sexual harassment in the workplace.

[Damaris]

Definitely that, 100%.

[Beans]

That would be funny if an athlete. Because you would have some grounds for that. You're in the workplace. Yeah, but if my teammates smacked me on the ass after a free throw, I'm in the workplace. I'm on the clock. I didn't ask for that.

[Damaris]

That's just weird, though. But I get it. But, Baby D, I'm glad you shed light on finding out how you're gay. I think that's important. I think women need to hear That.

[Maul]

I mean, but I was very young. I won't say which age again because it will expose the friend, But I was very young, so I just think.

[Beans]

It happens a lot in adulthood because, as we said, women aren't really friends with each other, and they. They meet, like, a lot of friends, like, at the club and become besties or, like, they'll have IG baddie friends. I think some of them ain't playing gay. And I think some people at studio.

[Maul]

Sessions and say that you're your friends. I'm so tired of y' all shooting at women. Y' all be me. Y' all be meeting. Y' all be meeting at the bar. Y' all happen to be two. That's cool. Now, y' all friends. Like, y' all in the studio together now, y'. All.

[Beans]

That's survival. If I got a double date, at least, like, let me try to get along.

[Damaris]

Well, me, I've never met a random man at a bar, and we're still friends to this day. Let me just put that out there.

[Beans]

Yeah, I don't think I've ever done that either.

[Damaris]

This has never happened.

[Beans]

That's a wild thing.

[Maul]

Y' all meet the random homie of a random homie, and now y' all friends. Like, now y' all boys. Now y' all in a boys shit.

[Beans]

Yeah. So you mean, like, so, like, if.

[Damaris]

Rory brings a friend in here and, like, we all kicking it and, like.

[Maul]

Not y' all friends, not y'.

[Damaris]

All. Well, not today. I'm not gonna leave here be like, yo, that's my friend. But, like, if he's around for the next two, three years and we hanging.

[Beans]

Out, that's how people meet.

[Snapdragon Rep]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

It's like, yeah, that's like, yo, I met him for.

[Beans]

It's like, damn, you didn't know that girl then. You got to know her and married her. That's.

[Damaris]

But the marriage do the same thing.

[Maul]

What I do.

[Damaris]

All right, we're not doing it.

[Maul]

We ain't gonna do that.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Maul]

Not right. Not. Not this week.

[Damaris]

Not this week.

[Beans]

Okay?

[Maul]

This. Today is not. This is not the week.

[Damaris]

This is not the week for that. Okay. I'm sorry.

[Maul]

Cause I know where you going and before. I don't want to have to steer you out, you know, I'm not.

[Damaris]

I'm not. I would never do that. I'm not going there. I'm not going there.

[Beans]

What's fucked up is that is a double standard with men. Like, women can meet their friends any and everywhere. Men, like, we. Yeah, we would look at You a little weird if he was like, yeah, you know, I was just, you know, having a beer, and he was right next to me, and we became friends.

[Damaris]

Yeah, we can't meet each other.

[Beans]

I think that guy has something else on his mind.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Yeah. We can't meet. We can't. Because then it's like, yo, what's up with your man? Why you keep hitting. Trying to talk and text me? Like, what's up with him, man?

[Beans]

Like, you have to be like, first.

[Damaris]

Of all, how you get my number?

[Beans]

And, like, we kicked it. And, like, you can't just meet men and be friends with them.

[Maul]

But, see, that's why the male loneliness epidemic. Y' all ain't got no friends. Cause y' all be afraid to meet people.

[Damaris]

Not afraid. I just don't fuck with people.

[Maul]

You should probably fuck with people, just.

[Beans]

Randomly chatting it up.

[Maul]

Well, you got 400 brothers and sisters.

[Damaris]

You don't got nobody else in your life. I got my friends. I got. I'm cool. I don't need, like, to meet new friends.

[Maul]

You got a best friend, Ma?

[Beans]

Yeah.

[Maul]

What's his name?

[Damaris]

Mike.

[Maul]

Mike. I ain't never heard of Mike. Why I ain't never met Mike before, probably.

[Damaris]

I say Mike.

[DJ]

Mm.

[Maul]

Nah, it's not ringing a bell either. He ever been.

[Beans]

He ever been around?

[Damaris]

He was. He came to the. He came when we had the. He was here when we had the people pull up for the. For the party. Oh, you might have left. He pulled up after.

[Beans]

Oh, no, I don't think I was. I don't think I was there either.

[Maul]

Oh, you met him?

[Damaris]

My guy that owns the store?

[Beans]

Oh, shit. Yeah. I met him a bunch of times. Okay.

[Damaris]

He was here. He came here. You might have left, though.

[Maul]

Oh, okay. Probably.

[Damaris]

Yeah. But that's like, we grew up together. Like, I might have known him since I was, like.

[Maul]

So, like, he would say, maul is my best friend.

[Damaris]

I mean, I don't know if we say best friends, we wouldn't say that. We don't put that on it.

[Beans]

MySpace top eight. You guys would both be number one.

[Damaris]

That's a little weird, too. But, like, we know, like, that's like family at this point.

[Maul]

Okay.

[Damaris]

I was like. I think I was 11 and he was nine when we first met.

[Maul]

So. Is that what makes men best friends? Is that time? Is it time? Cause Rory's best friend has been his best friend since he was, like, 7:2. So I always wonder what men like. Cause I know with women, it's about who we feel closest to. With men, Is it like.

[Damaris]

Well, for me. Well, for me. I'm speaking for myself. It's yes, time. But it's also experiences. It's also going through things together. And then, like, just that bond of, like, we cannot speak for three months, like, at all. And then I can call him. We pick up right where we left off three months ago. Like, we don't have to see each other every day. He got his life, his family. I got my life. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. It's like, we don't have to. Like, our relationship, our bond is not contingent on us speaking every day. Like, I don't need to speak to nobody every single day. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, you know when somebody is. Cause y' all been through some things, and loyalty was tested and, you know, things like that. Integrity was tested, and you just see who somebody is, and then you look up and be like, damn, like, we've known each other over 30 years. Like, shit is crazy. So, yeah, that's like, I can't even say best friend. That's. That's family at this point. That's not even, like, a best friend.

[Beans]

Yeah. Because even, like. Yeah, I think women define best friend differently, too, because there may be people I'm closer with than my best friend at the moment just because of where my life is. To your point, I'm not speak. But that's still my best friend because it's been 30 years. But, like, we don't speak every day. Like, I. I'm probably closer with Raven on, like, Raven's your best. Like, like, daily talking about what's going on in my life than him. But I wouldn't say that Raven's my best best friend.

[NBA Announcer]

I don't know.

[Beans]

I would say I just.

[Maul]

Your best friend.

[Beans]

She's definitely one of my best friends, for sure. But I don't know.

[Damaris]

But the best family.

[Beans]

It is.

[Total Wireless Rep]

It is.

[Damaris]

Raven is fair. That's not. That's what I'm saying. I can't put best.

[Maul]

But your best friend should be family. Like, your best friend should be family.

[Damaris]

Yes. Agree. I didn't meet my best friend in a bar over a beer.

[Beans]

Yeah.

[Maul]

But also what men require from their friendships as well, knowing that y' all don't require much.

[Damaris]

Men don't require much.

We don't.

[Maul]

No, it's just the things y' all require.

[Beans]

Those are the important things.

[Damaris]

Loyalty, honesty.

[Maul]

No, y' all love requiring loyalty and not giving it out.

[Damaris]

Nah, that's. That's. That's young Niggas that do that. That's little boys that don't that do that.

[Maul]

Ooh, Talk that grown man talk more.

[Beans]

Cheating is talk that grown man talk.

[Damaris]

Cheating is a young, young boy sport.

[Maul]

See, who brought up cheating?

[Beans]

Or a rich man's sport.

[Damaris]

That too. But, yeah, I'm. Nah. Oh, you. When you loyal, it's just something that you don't even have to think about. It's just who you are. You don't have to think about it.

[Beans]

Yeah, well, you know what?

[Damaris]

So don't put me in that box, baby.

[Maul]

D. All right. I'm sorry.

[Beans]

On Sunday.

Sunday, my free afternoon, I'm gonna go to the bar and just. Just chat it up with a fella.

[Maul]

You should. I'm serious. You never know what you have in common with people. And then y' all be like, girls aren't really friends. You guys meet each other at a club and suddenly you're friends. It's like, well, yeah, girls make connection. And then if. Hey, if I'm getting to know. Become deeper in my life, they become deeper in my life. If not, then we get rid of them. Weird.

[Damaris]

If I go to a bar and a random man just starts having conversation with me, and he's not the one making my drinks. Yeah, get the. Away from me.

[Beans]

He's either gay or I'm getting.

[Damaris]

L. Yeah, it's one of the other. That's just the world we live in. Either he's trying to take me home, or he's trying to take my kidney. One or the other.

[Maul]

Well, not exact. Not exact.

[Damaris]

Not.

[Beans]

Either way. An organ is involved.

[Damaris]

Yeah, either way. Either way is not having happening.

[Beans]

I'm an organ donor that night regardless.

But.

[Maul]

But. But sometimes, like, I've been to, Like, I've been on the phone with a man who was at a bar, and, like, there was, like, a chatty white boy next to him. He drunk.

[Tide Rep]

He just.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Maul]

He hate his wife. He just needs somebody to talk to. Like, I. I think that that's, like, as humans, that we should.

[Beans]

I talked to somebody at an airport bar, but we knew that we're getting on separate flights and never. I don't even want to know your name.

[Damaris]

Yeah. We've never seen each other again.

[Maul]

Well, what if you guys have, like, you know, you could do business together there?

[Beans]

Oh, sure. Well, that's different.

[Damaris]

That's different. If the conversation goes there and you find out, like, he does something, and y' all kind of in the same industry, like, yeah, that's.

[Maul]

And then you guys become friends.

[Damaris]

I don't Know about that? It's a little gay.

That's gay. Jersey swapping is gay.

[Maul]

What's jersey swapping?

[Beans]

After games, athletes will swap jerseys and take photos. And now people are doing it outside of the club with their button up shirts.

[Maul]

Man, I'm not.

[Damaris]

See, that's crazy. I can see Peach doing that though. Yeah, that's definitely.

[Maul]

That's definitely Peach's boss.

[Damaris]

That's Peach Bag.

No.

[Beans]

Talking to strangers at the bar. But like, to continue on, I get at your local, like, cheers. Like, that guy's there every time you're there. I could see you forming some type of a friendship, but to just go to a random bar, meet a guy, be like, let's exchange numbers and get lunch.

[Damaris]

That's crazy.

[Maul]

But listen, I know it sounds crazy because it's not.

[Damaris]

It's just how Peach. Because Peach will be with her. He'll be. He'll be sitting about and it be women. Like, he'll be talking to a woman.

[Maul]

Man, PE Be. No, PE Be talking mad fellas, like at the bar.

[Damaris]

Bro, you heard PE PE Said n the fellas.

[Beans]

Like, if you sitting there talking about the game, like, that's not holding or.

[Damaris]

Like, yeah, that's different.

[Beans]

Like we're watching the game, that's fine.

[Maul]

But y' all should stop be. But I've said this plenty of times when y' all say women, we can't do anything, or women call us gay. No, it be y'.

[DJ]

All.

[Maul]

Y' all put so many gay strengths on each other. Like just be humans and you would have so much more fulfilling.

[Damaris]

We talking shit like, of course, if I go to a bar, I've had conversations with.

[Maul]

But you can take. You can. If y' all get on y', all.

[Damaris]

We'Re not about to change numbers. No, we not doing that.

[Beans]

Usually anytime I'm going out, there's a lot of mutual. Like, if I'm talking to this person, they know somebody that I know that's here. So that's why I've never found out. I'm saying just if I go across the street and just sit down and just start chatting it up and you.

[Maul]

Find out you and homie got a.

[Beans]

Lot of come see the office. And you guys are like, how'd you meet him? Like, oh, we met at a bar.

[Maul]

Fire, I think. I don't know.

[Damaris]

There's nothing fire about that. Get this fucking random guy out of here before he kills all of us and wears our skin for a fucking.

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