Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 8/11

Summary

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New Rory & MAL: Best of Rory & Mal – Week of 8/11

Date: August 17, 2025
Podcast: New Rory & MAL
Hosts: Rory, MAL
Producer: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

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Episode Overview

This "Best Of" episode features highlights from a week in August 2025, with Rory and Mal diving into the rapid pace of today’s music industry, the challenges of true music appreciation, thoughts on artist strategies, and reflections on live experiences from concerts such as Chris Brown’s “Breezy Bowl.” The episode also features an in-depth guest segment—likely with Chance the Rapper—discussing media scrutiny, viral moments, and relationships in the music business, particularly with Kanye West. The tone is candid, humorous, and introspective, punctuated by real-life anecdotes and unfiltered hot takes.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Overload of New Music

(02:08–07:38)

• Mal expresses concern about the sheer volume of weekly music releases, referencing new albums by JID, Gunna, and Bryson Tiller.

  • "I do think that it's bad that we get this much new music...when do we have the time to really, like, listen to all of this?" (02:08)

• The hosts reminisce about deeper past connections to music, highlighting distractions of modern listening (listening on phones, social media, multitasking).

• Rory reframes it as an entertainment industry-wide issue; music is now one piece of a larger content firehose.

• Discussion on the profanity of "conveyor belt" listening, loss of patience, and reduced emotional attachment.

  "There's like a wall in between us and really connecting to the music, it feels like." – Mal (03:55)

• The duo recall the old days of physical CDs, standing by the radio, and how streaming changed the cadence of music enjoyment.

2. Artist Strategy: Serving the Core vs. Chasing the Masses

(07:38–11:48)

• Rory and Mal debate how artists should navigate today's climate: whether to labor over an album for years only for listeners to skim through.

• Emphasis on the importance of building and serving a core fanbase rather than "chasing viral moments."

  "At the end of the day, it's still the core that's really going to matter and return. And that's the only people you really should feed." – Rory (08:36)

• JID’s new release is cited as an example of an artist making music for devoted fans rather than chasing trends or mass appeal.

3. Changing Relationship with Music Discovery and Consumption

(11:48–17:36)

• The duo continue reminiscing on old-school music discovery methods: taping radio, carrying CD booklets, and the anticipation for album releases.

• The contrast between nostalgia and technology: delight at instant access, but lament for lost communal, memorable moments.

• Reflection on radio culture—waiting for specific songs, feeling forced to engage with only a handful of hits, and how scarcity once created real moments.

  "Had I had the ability to just listen to Country Grammar every five minutes, I probably would have moved the. On the fact that we sat around the radio waiting for that song, even if it played every hour, like, it made it resonate more." – Rory (16:24)

4. Deep Dive Review: JID’s ‘God Does Like Ugly’

(18:26–28:29)

a. First Impressions and Standout Tracks

(18:26–21:31)

• Mal and Rory both praise the JID album as a creative, detail-oriented project with standout lyrics, flows, and production.
  • Mal: "Like, this feels like an album that would have came out in the 90s. Yep. Like, it has that energy." (20:18)
• Specific shoutouts for tracks like “G’s” and “For Keeps.”

b. Atlanta Influence and Features

(21:32–24:37)

• Discussion of Atlanta’s legacy—Dungeon Family, Goody Mob, Outkast—and how JID and Earthgang modernize that sound.
• Praise for features: Clips, Malice ("might have another verse of the year" – Mal, 23:50), Pastor Troy, Vince Staples, Don Toliver.

c. Dreamville’s Artist-Friendly System

(25:47–27:48)

• The hosts credit Dreamville (J. Cole's label) for fostering creativity without commercial or stylistic pressure.
  • "I think the system that Even and Cole have with their artists is the best way." – Rory (26:36)

d. Challenges of Music Saturation for Both Listeners and Artists

(28:04–28:29)

• The hosts note the impossibility of properly digesting quality albums before the next “big drop” comes along.

5. Live Show Adventures: Breezy Bowl Recap

(31:05–44:49)

• Rory describes attending back-to-back sold-out Chris Brown stadium shows (w/Bryson Tiller and Summer Walker). Mal recounts aborting the mission mid-transit due to rain and infrastructure headaches.
• Humorous asides about male fans prepping (“putting on cologne... I felt kind of gay that I went home, showered, put on cologne, and then I looked in the mirror. I said, I'm going to see a talented man singing the Rain. Like, what am I doing with my life?” – Mal, 35:35)

a. Chris Brown’s “Breezy Bowl” as the Super Bowl He Never Got

(37:17–38:32)

• They wax poetic about Chris’s three-hour, stadium-level sets as a self-made Super Bowl halftime.

  "Every night he's in the stadium selling it out, doing three hours of hits, performing at a high level." – Mal (37:46)

• Compliment how even after three hours, huge hits still didn't make the setlist (significant flex).

b. Post-Show Social Comedy

(41:08–44:49)

• Funny take on whether Chris Brown is “so talented you’d give your girl a pass” ("He did whisper to me, I totally understand if your girl just fucks Chris Brown, right?" – Rory, 41:08)
• Observations of the afterparty scene—critiquing the plastic surgery look, lack of interesting personalities, and comparing the vibe to a DMV waiting room.
  • "Remember when hoes used to, like, be fun?...They're so uninteresting and gross." – Rory (43:14)
• Continued awkward social run-ins: from exes’ relatives to other parents in the industry.

6. Chance the Rapper Guest Segment: Virality, Relationships, and Kanye

(45:44–55:49)

a. Viral Moments, Marriage, and Media Backlash

(45:44–51:40)

• Likely in dialogue with Chance the Rapper about his viral “carnival wine” video and the public’s reaction.
  • "I think I was tripping because nobody knew that me and my wife was separated." – Chance (46:25)
  • He reflects on not wanting to make his partner look foolish, despite the behavior being part of Caribbean carnival culture.
  • "I do wish that that didn't happen that way...I wish that I was, you know, more protective of her." – Chance (48:10)
• Honest take on how the internet “makes you pick sides” and creates artificial drama for its own entertainment.

b. Kanye West Relationship Update

(51:48–55:49)

• Chance hasn’t spoken to Kanye in a while, despite a close history.
  • "I always love Kanye...but just being honest, I haven't talked to him in a while. I feel like I've been hella busy. I'm working on shit. He's obviously been busy." – Chance (52:45)
• No new Kanye collaborations on his new album, but deep respect for their musical relationship.
  • "I have a different reverence for him or, or just understanding of, like, how my life went and how it influenced things." – Chance (54:30)
• No anticipation for a big “check-in”; friends may not speak for years but that doesn’t diminish the relationship.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Modern Music Consumption:

"There's like a wall in between us and really connecting to the music, it feels like."
— Mal (03:55)

On Serving Your Core Audience:

"At the end of the day, it's still the core that's really going to matter and return."
— Rory (08:36)

On the Loss of Musical Moments:

"Had I had the ability to just listen to Country Grammar every five minutes, I probably would have moved the. On the fact that we sat around the radio waiting for that song, even if it played every hour, like, it made it resonate more."
— Rory (16:24)

On JID’s Album and Atlanta’s Influence:

"This feels like an album that would have came out in the 90s. Like, it has that energy."
— Mal (20:18)

On Chris Brown’s Live Show:

"Every night he's in the stadium selling it out, doing three hours of hits, performing at a high level, production at a high level. Everybody that goes is saying it's the greatest show they've ever been to."
— Mal (37:46)

On Virality and Public Scrutiny:

"The internet... is going to present your story in a way to make you have to have a hot or cold opinion... Sometimes I think the people that's involved in those stories don't even...realize like, this shit not really about me."
— Chance the Rapper (50:07)

On Kanye and Friendship:

"I always love Kanye...but just being honest, I haven't talked to him in a while. I feel like I've been hella busy. I'm working on shit. He's obviously been busy."
— Chance the Rapper (52:45)

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Important Timestamps

• [02:08] — Mal laments the volume of new music and loss of connection
• [04:44] — Rory: double albums vs. short attention spans
• [07:52] — Mal and Rory advise artists: serve your core audience
• [12:20] — Nostalgia for “album moments” and music discovery
• [18:26] — Deep dive into JID’s new album, “God Does Like Ugly”
• [23:50] — Malice's feature praised as "verse of the year"
• [31:05] — Concert stories: Chris Brown’s “Breezy Bowl,” prepping for the show
• [37:46] — Chris Brown’s legacy/“Super Bowl” comparison
• [41:08] — The “let your girl cheat with Chris Brown?” debate
• [45:44] — Chance the Rapper on the carnival viral moment and marriage separation
• [51:48] — Chance on Kanye: no recent contact, but lasting respect

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Tone and Closing Thoughts

The conversation is delivered with warmth, wit, and the healthy skepticism of insiders who care deeply about music and culture—even as they make fun of themselves, their industry, and the sometimes absurd nature of hip-hop celebrity life. The episode is rich with honest takes, nostalgia, cultural analysis, and laughs.

For listeners, it’s both a window into the challenges of being a fan (and creator) in today’s landscape, as well as a celebration of artistry, family, and the irreplaceable moments that music can offer—when we slow down long enough to savor them.

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Transcript

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[Rory]

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[Co-host Mall]

The Volume While I am happy that we get new music and we get a lot of good new music, right? I do think that it's bad that we get this much new music.

[Rory]

Why? It was three albums as far as like bigger artists.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah, but I feel like we just got the Clips album a couple weeks.

[Rory]

Ago and Alfredo too.

[Co-host Mall]

We just got Alfredo 2 a few weeks ago and now we have Jid album, we have Gunnar's album, we have Bryson Tiller's album to name a few. I'm sure some other projects drop, but like, when do we have the time to really, like, listen to all of this? Because we spent so much time. I was having a conversation with my boy the other day and we've lost. In the conversation, we were talking about how we've lost the connection to music. Like, there's times now where I could love somebody's album and I don't even remember the lyrics to the raps before. If I love the pro, like this album is crazy. I could recite every song because I felt like there was a different connection to it versus now. We do everything on our phone. If I'm listening to music on my phone and then I get a text message or I get a call when somebody sends me a clip and I gotta watch this clip, it's like you're being pulled away from what I'm really. Like I'm listening to music on my phone. So now if I got all these other things happening, there's like this connect. Like I hear the music, I hear it like I'm listening to the album. But there's no like the connection or the order. Like there's something. There's like a wall in between us and really connecting to the music, it feels like.

[Rory]

But I don't think it's a music thing per se. I just think it's an entertainment thing.

[Co-host Mall]

Well, entertainment put it under that as well.

[Rory]

Music is just folded into that. Because, I mean, even the way we binge shows, like imagine if a season of the Sopranos was available one day, not spread out amongst 14 weeks where you watched an episode, you talked about it with your friends for the whole week, you made predictions, you did all that. Like you can just binge things immediately. And then on top of that, you. You have every bit of content in your phone, on social media, whether it be TikTok IG like music is gonna fall to the waist side in that regard. And it's. So it's so much easier to make music now.

[Co-host Mall]

It's easier to make it. It's easier to put it out.

[Rory]

So in that regard, you have. And we'll get to the Bryson thing, but you can put a double album out. But the contradiction there is, I feel like no one has the attention span for it, so it's easier to put it out. But. But you're putting it out to consumers that don't have the time or attention span to listen to that amount. So, yeah, everyone's fucked in that regard. Like imagine work. Imagine working on a Netflix series for three years and Somebody binges it in one rainy Saturday and then says, yo, yo, where? Season two. Yeah, that's for my life. Into this shit.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. It's access to everything. And even when I'm watching something I'm engaged with, I look at my phone and start scrolling through. I'll see that, right? And I get distracted. The music is the same way. Like, it's very low on the totem pole if you're not like, a real lover of music.

[Co-host Mall]

But even if the songs are too hot, I love. I love. I love the technology now because, again, literally, I could pull up any song. I could be thinking about a record and type it in and pull it up and listen to it. So I love.

[Rory]

You can start saying the lyrics of Siri.

[Co-host Mall]

I love that aspect of it. But there is a difference in the way I connect to music now than I used to. Like, when I had to literally buy physical music or, you know, CD album. There was, like, a different. Even if I didn't like it.

[Rory]

Cause you could only carry so much with you. Like, right? I used to carry the big CD booklet. But even then, like, I would keep one CD in my.

[Co-host Mall]

This is what I'm saying. I think it's too much now. Like, we just. I'm still listening to Alfredo, too. And now I got Jake Jid's album. Now I got, you know, Bryson's out. It's like, bro, I'm still. I haven't really even, you know, really digested all the bars in Alfredo 2 yet. And I already. Now Jid is on. On my phone.

[Rory]

Okay, all right, I hear you. And again, I'm not trying to be devil's advocate here. Ironically, on September 11th, when Blueprint and Fabs first album came out, like, people used to drop on the same day. Graduation Curtis. Like, that would happen often where people would drop on the same day.

[Co-host Mall]

No. Right. But tell me what came out three weeks before those albums?

[Rory]

Oh, I see. Yeah. I don't know.

[Co-host Mall]

You get what I'm saying? Like, that's the difference. It's like, okay, we get Alfredo two, two weeks ago or a week ago. And then now, this week, Jid next week, Chance the Rapper. It's like. It's like if I'm on a phone call, having a good conversation with somebody, and somebody calls in, I'm like, hold on. How rare? How often do I go back to that other call? But that's if it's another good comment. Like, my homie calls. I'm like, yo, I'm downtown, yo. It's crazy. It's lit. I just saw. So I forgot I got homie on hold now. So now it's like, when do you have an opportunity to really. Or it's a shorter window to connect to the music now, I think.

[Rory]

And I mean, I'm not saying this about you whatsoever. I'm just saying the consumer. I feel like a lot of the consumers listen to, react as quick as they can rather than live with the music and then move on to the next thing that they can react to.

[Co-host Mall]

So as an artist, how do you. How do you navigate through that? Do you take two years to create and then for somebody in three hours to be like, yo, this trash?

[Rory]

Yeah, that's out of. At that point, that's out of your control. That's where finding the right consumer in the right tribe and the right core fan base matters the most. Which is. Which will get to Jid. Shit. I don't think he tried to chase anything at all but his core fan base on this project. Myself being one. And I think that was the smartest thing ever. Like, you trying to. I get it. You got to grow and get more fans the best way possible. Shit we go through with podcasting, too, down to how we title certain YouTube shit. But at the end of the day, it's still the core that's really going to matter and return. And that's the only people you really should feed. That's the strategy. That's the only strategy that you could have control of feeding your core and your tribe. Along the way, maybe you'll get some more people. But do you think Freddie and Al was sitting there of like, yo, we got to get as many people as possible to go back to listen to Alfredo 1 after listening. No, let's. Let's keep our formula and grow our formula. That's what's going to move. Any type of vinyls move. Actual real ticket sales move. That's the only thing that matters at this point. If you're in that space and Jid is. Is a big artist. Like, he has a Eminem feature that we were completely wrong about. I feel like we deserve some credit because I think he added it back to the album because of us.

[Co-host Mall]

Well, no, you came in here with information that you heard or you received from somewhere.

[Rory]

It was on an ep. I didn't know it was gonna be on. No, that's an old Rick Ross move.

[Co-host Mall]

No, but I ain't gonna lie. Like, that would have been insane if you don't put.

[Rory]

He said when all that came out that this was not on the album.

[Co-host Mall]

Oh, he did say that when he posted the ep.

[Rory]

If I'm. Correct me, if I'm wrong, fans, you can kill me in the dm, when he was tweeting, she was like, yo, I want to put out some before my project. Like, this is. This is the EP before the album.

[Co-host Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

Like, this didn't have a place on my album.

[Co-host Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

But again, I mean, it's an Eminem feature, so it should stay there. And I wasn't too mad at it in the sequencing. It's not really a song for me. Oh, yeah. The prelux is strictly to get people talking, intrigued, excited about the album. That's all. Yeah. How I interpreted it, which is, you know, obviously I was wrong. I interpreted that along with everyone else, that this was like your pre. EP shit.

[Co-host Mall]

The prelux is strictly to get people talking, intrigued, excited about the album.

[Rory]

Great, great strategy. But would you not read that?

[Co-host Mall]

So there's another inverse on the main album. Nope. I got two of the best fast rappers of all time.

[Rory]

I think he was alluding to himself in there, but I mean, either way. Yeah. To close your point in that regard, I think just feeding your core is the only way. Because the average consumer is just going to move on and swipe up to the next 15 second reel. Okay. Like music, even when they've chopped it down to 2:30 as far as songs go, that's still hard to keep people's attention. Like, you have movie studios trying to figure out how can we capture somebody in 10 seconds and they're putting out films that are four hours, right. We're with a microwave brain. Like, that's just how things go. So it is kind of on you as the consumer to get out of that way. Because, yes, I'm more attached to some of the music I grew up on, but I also had a different mind state and was in a different environment at that time and how I even consume things. So as a music lover, as a consumer, sometimes I have to like discipline myself and be like, yo, don't look at your phone, sit and just live with this music. Because I know that's where your heart really is with this shit and, like how you feel better and everything.

[Co-host Mall]

I guess for me it's just different though, because I used to. I used to literally, when the album come out, you know, or artists I like drops a project, I burn that project to the ground because I need to. I need to hear it, I need to live with it, I need to move around with it just to see if I like it. Love it, hate it. Now it's like I'm in the mix of still trying to figure out if I love this project or not. And then now, this week, I got another artist that I like. He's dropping his album. I gotta listen to this now. It's just. It's like, it seems like you can't. I can't listen to everything fairly, but.

[Rory]

We also got older. Like, you also have to add that factor.

[Co-host Mall]

Well, then that's another thing. Life happens. I got things to do now. I can't just be listening to the music movie. So all of these things happen. But just the cadence of the way we receive music though, I think is just like. It just feels very. Like it's almost like a conveyor belt. And you know, I'm. I'm seeing a product come down. Oh, I like this. And by the time I'm looking at this, three more is going underneath the. And I'm like, oh, like, let me listen to it. It just feel like you're always playing catch up when it comes to your favorite music.

[Rory]

But I mean, I'll even say, like, I have not listened to the Gunner album yet, but I. I'm very not.

[Co-host Mall]

Because you don't like Gunna.

[Rory]

No.

[Co-host Mall]

You just haven't had the opportunity with that. Yeah.

[Rory]

With that said, outside of. I mean, we have chance on the podcast this coming week. And I had to listen to that album. Plus Jid and Bryson Tiller. Three artists that I really like Gunna. I like Gunna. Don't get me wrong. But I've admitted, like, I'm not gonna move my life around for a Gunna album. It would strictly be for the podcast.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Which to me also feels a little gross. Cause like, why should I be the one even reviewing? Like, I feel like that's fucked up to Gunna.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like with him. Not that we have the biggest media platform, but, you know, people do listen to us. I'm not the one for this. Like, I like a Guna song every now and then. I'm. I'm not going to sit there and do a deep dive on Gun. And that's nothing negative about him. It's my taste.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm sure Gunna would look at some of the music I listen to and be like, dog you, that's whack. That's just, I don't know, turn that.

[Co-host Mall]

Off and listen to my brother.

[Rory]

Like, that's just how life goes. So you also have to take that into consideration. I'm not, never in my life. Even when I would be Completely free and have nothing to do. Would I run to go dissect a Gun album?

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So add that into. And I think a lot of people feel that way with how much music is out there. I love that streaming allows you to not have to sit with the radio and the mainstream. You're just forced to listen to. When I get in the car, I don't have to listen to what the radio is programming. But you're also going to not listen to other shit because of that. Even if Gun is the biggest shit moving.

[Co-host Mall]

I can't believe that I'm not gonna.

[Rory]

Sit there and listen to a gunna album all the time, like.

[Co-host Mall]

And listen.

[Rory]

I'd be lying if I said that.

[Co-host Mall]

And listening to radio now. I can't believe I actually used to listen to the radio. Why?

[Rory]

I used to record the radio.

[Co-host Mall]

It's the same 12 songs from seven artists over. When was it not that and over. And. But that's what I'm saying. Now that you realize that now that I have the ability to listen to whatever I want whenever, I can't really. I cannot believe that radio was such a big part of my life at one point. Because when you listen to it now, like, sometimes in commute, and I'll just listen to the radio. And then, like, example, the other day I went out, so I caught a Uber, went downtown, right? When I got out the car, a song was playing. Two hours later, I got back in an Uber, that same song was playing again. And I was like, bro, this is. So now I'm listening, because now I'm gonna say, okay, let me hear what's next. It almost got to a point where I know which song they get ready to play next. So I'm just like. We used to sit down in the crib, like, around the radio and listen.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Co-host Mall]

And it's like, bro, it's the same songs, the same artists. And then I'm thinking, like, we know how programming works. We know that they have playlists at the radio and things like that. But my thing is, there's so many other songs and dope artists that you could easily be like, we don't have to listen to this song three times in an hour. Like, there's two other artists you could have put in that spot and played their new record.

[Rory]

I mean, I hear you, but in. Yes, this was programming working. But, like, you know, I remember taking the boombox to go play ball and just waiting for Country Grammar to play, like, just waiting for it. And yeah, it would play once an hour, but that Was like a moment at that time. That's why it resonated more because we only had access to that. Had I had the ability to just list before the album came out, had I had the ability to just listen to Country Grammar every five minutes, I probably would have moved the. On the fact that we sat around the radio waiting for that song, even if it played every hour, like, it made it resonate more. So that speaks like, even like when we would trl106 in park, like t waiting for DMX party up video like Run Home so you could watch that again. If YouTube was really a thing, it wouldn't have been a moment with me and my friends of like, yo, what number you think? Yo, that part in this. Yo, I caught another thing in the video. Cuz you could only maybe see it once a day.

[Co-host Mall]

Can't rewind it. This is before you had TiVo. Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

And even when we used to record the radio on tapes, because I. I'm really not that young. We would do that as well. Like, all right, if we want to listen to this again, let's do a push tape. Like literally record the radio. That was a thing that made it. Made it a moment for a record. Outside of it just resonating sonically. That was like a moment with your friends. Like, who knows the lyrics? Like who? Like, that was so to the point.

[Co-host Mall]

Too much access kind of killed that. Like having the ability. Having the ability to.

[Rory]

You shouldn't have that much access to art at any time. It's a catch 22. Like, I really see both sides of how great that is because I love the ability to do that. Especially when I got an ipod. I thought it was the greatest thing ever.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And it definitely changed my music discovery and my music taste. But it did definitely take away from the moments you have with music like the JID and Offset record, which is fired Body to the floor Shoot. Like, if that was in radio time, that would probably be a joint that would live with me forever.

[Co-host Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

But now I. I don't know. I mean, I like it.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah. But too much access.

[Rory]

Yeah. I'm not waiting for that record to come on because I can just play it.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah, well, Jid dropped his God does like ugly.

[Rory]

I'll take. I'll take my. My sunflowers. I texted Demera. She owes me some sunflowers as well.

[Co-host Mall]

Yes, you did. At the top of the year, I believe you said J.I.D. will drop the best rap album.

[Rory]

Said J.I.D. And clips will be candidates for rap album of the year. And I. I think I'm there. It's only been two days. Plus, obviously, we had to listen to the chat at Amara the whole weekend and studio sessions. But off the. The few listens I had, of course, the Jit, I mean, I feel like, personally he's setting himself up to be the Next Generation person, but I don't know if that even exists anymore, that there's going to be, like, a new Big Three.

[Co-host Mall]

But, Jimmy, I don't see it.

[Rory]

I. Yeah, I don't know if that's even going to be a thing. Not. Not to Jid's credit or discredit, but this. This is easily up there with the clips. Alfredo, too. Was. Was I the only one that, like, listened to this and thought it was incredible?

[Co-host Mall]

No. So it was Sunday. I was on the phone with Nick, Nick Grant, and he asked me, say, yo, you're a Jid album yet? And I said, oh, shit. Like, I'm still listening to Alfredo, too, and clips. Like, I forgot Jid dropped Friday. So I said, I'm listening to it today. So I'm like, what you think, Nick? Like, yo, there's some joints on there. Like, he definitely, you know, he got some shit on there. There's definitely some joints that. That I think you gonna like. So I said, all right, let me. Let me check it out. So all day Sunday, moving around. So I'm playing the album, and again, when I'm listening to music, it's literally the music I hear first. I don't even know what you're saying. Can't really. I'm just trying to hear the sound that you went after what you did with the music. So then now I'm getting to the lyrics and the flows, and I'm like, damn. Like, this feels like an album that would have came out in the 90s. Yep. Like, it has that. It has that energy. It has that attention to, you know, details when it comes to bars and how you write and construct songs. And, you know, Jit is one of those rappers that understands his voice as an instrument. The way he uses inflections in his voice and his tone, his. His cadence, his. His, you know, his flows on a lot of the records. He does, like, interesting little things with his voice that he. That he does with the music. And I thought that this album was incredible. Like, I listened to it. Some joints. I think the G's record, to me, is one of the better records I've heard from Jid in his discography, like, ever. That's one of my favorite Jid songs. I think ever. I'm terrible with titles, but I specifically looked at that because when I heard it, I remember when I was listening to it the first time, and I'm listening to the music and I'm listening. I'm like, damn. Like, what is that? So I went and looked. I had to see what the name of that particular song was. And I played that, like, three times. And I'm listening to what he's saying and the way he ended the album on For Keeps, I think is the name of that one.

[Rory]

Yeah, For Keeps.

[Co-host Mall]

Yep. For Keeps. You know, he really got in his, you know, soul loop. The soul sample. Let me just get my off. You could obviously hear, you know, the Andre 3000 influence, the outcast influence. You could hear.

[Rory]

It's not even just that Dungeon Family, It's Dungeon Family, Goody Mob, like, even from Earth Gang, that whole. That whole crew, like the new version of. Of East Atlanta, like Post Gucci, Between Black Jib, Earth Gang, reboot, like, all of them doesn't get talked about enough, even though they all aren't in the same. I mean, obviously Jid and Earth Gang are Dreamville and LVR1 Black, but they all grew up together. That doesn't get talked about enough of, like, carrying on and elevating a sound in Atlanta. Because to me, that shit is. Is Goody Mob on steroids in 2025. With what Earth Gang and Jid with this. Did with this production, I. I should have looked at the credits. I don't know the full production breakdown. But, yeah, on the side of somebody that could just rap really well, Atlanta is. Atlanta artists are great at rapping really well, but making sure that we're going to make good music. Yeah, like, music goes first in Atlanta. Lyrics go second. And I don't mean that as a slight, because I think Three Stacks, who's one of the greatest lyricists ever, if you want to get down to it, he's going to put music way before lyrics with everything. And that's where Atlanta always wins. And that's what I think Jid did on this album. We all know he could rap just as good as anybody in 2020. To me, that wasn't the focus. It was content of what he was saying. And it was melodies. It was how he was arranging his flow on certain things. Nothing about outside of Animal Volume one was, yo, I could rap better than y'.

[Co-host Mall]

All.

[Rory]

Yeah, it was music I could have.

[Co-host Mall]

Did without that record, though. I mean, just being honest like that. And that's my thing. Even the album is Incredible. I think the music is great lyrically, his flows, everything. Like, Jid paid attention to every detail when it comes to constructing.

[Rory]

Yeah, Sierra on that shit.

[Co-host Mall]

Atlanta features, the features was dope.

[Rory]

Obviously, having the clips is fucking crazy.

[Co-host Mall]

Malice might have another verse of the year.

[Rory]

Duh.

[Co-host Mall]

On that.

[Rory]

Push and Malice both went fucking on that community record. Pastor Troy.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I mean, showing my age of just how great it was to hear from Pastor Troy.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But, yeah, I can't say enough about this project.

[Co-host Mall]

Shout out to Vince. Vince got a crazy verse on that VCR's record. No crazy verse on that VCR's record. Don Toliver. I love that. I love that Don Tolliver record. I was. You know, I didn't. When I saw the Don Tolliver feature, I was kind of like, you know, seems like completely different worlds, but, you know, you quickly realize how much of an artist Jit is. He's not just a rapper. Like, so mixing him with Don, it looks kind of like, to the eye, like, what would they do together? But the director's dope.

[Rory]

But that's very much to what I was saying before of, like, three Stacks. Like, once Three Stacks went on his, like, feature run, it was always on records that you wouldn't expect. Even when he would do his freestyles.

[Co-host Mall]

Of.

[Rory]

Walk it out and, like, he would always go on things that you'd be like, all right, I didn't expect you to go on this. Even with. Whether it be James Blake, whether it be Frank, like, all that stuff, he always found a way to be on something different. And I think Jid has that same ability.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah, he.

[Rory]

He can show out on anything and not sound weird.

[Co-host Mall]

Of Blue. Phenomenal record.

[Rory]

No, I think Don and. And Jay could do an EP tomorrow and it would sound great.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah, no, I was definitely, again, you know, always, Always liked Jit, always supported Jid. Think he's phenomenal. But, you know, you kind of get scared when it comes to your favorites putting out a project. Cause you, like. I hope he didn't. Wasn't, you know, influenced by certain pressures to make this type of sound and this. That. It's good to know that Jid is gonna be Jid. Like, he looks like he's sticking to what he wants to do, how he wants to sound, how he wants to, you know, be perceived. So it's always dope when your favorite rappers go about it that way and approach it. Like you said, stick to their core.

[Rory]

Yeah. And I'm. I mean, I think that speaks to the system that he's in I think he was talking to B Dot. I forgot we were talking to when I saw the clip. But just that Dreamville system of they're not going to give you any of that pressure whatsoever.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Cole talked for years of when he was in that first Roc Nation system where it was radio record. Let's give some more Stargate. And like, you have to have that. And they were like, no, no, we could do this another way. Let me show you another way to get to that A List rapper, which Cole did. So Jit is in a system where they're gonna let him do what he wants to do.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And, yeah, I think that speaks to Dreamville and why the music sounds so good. Because if they were over Jid's shoulder trying to make something happen, I don't think we'd get a good project. I also don't think you get like a shea butter baby. I. I think the system that Even and Cole have with their artists is the best way.

[Co-host Mall]

Ari doesn't seem to be too happy with it, though.

[Rory]

Well, she left Jingle.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah, exactly.

[Rory]

Yeah. But I mean, again, I really don't know, like, the politics of that. But before they let her even asl, like, they let her do her thing. So, I mean, I'm not sure contractually what that looks like, but Jid spoke very highly of. Of what it was like working with them in the major label system, and they did right by. By him. I don't know Ari's take on that, but, yeah, I think everyone kind of just gets left alone. And you could do some people maybe don't want to be left alone. Maybe some people want more, can't be left alone. Some people maybe want more support than what they're doing. Like Earth Gang, I think is incredible because they're left alone now, you could say if they weren't, maybe they would be bigger because they're like two of the most talented people I've heard in the last 15 years, but they're left alone.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So if you want to be left alone and make your music and make your money, great system. If you want the major and like, all right, we're going to go buy you a hit somewhere, then maybe it's not the place for you. And I don't know if that. That's the case with Ari. I really don't. But.

[Co-host Mall]

Well, either way, shout out to Jid. Jitty J. God does like Ugly Available now. Stream that, download that, play that, support that. Phenomenal raps, Great music.

[Rory]

Westside Gun popping the album off within the first two seconds. I was like wait, did I click the right album?

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah man, I really really like this project. I'm looking forward to living with it a little longer. Even though fucking next week Drake might decide to drop and then now I can't listen to or Kendrick might put some likes like what the fuck man? I'm just, I'm just digesting. God does like ugly and here come you niggas with more raps. But no, this is a great project. Definitely enjoyed it. And shout out to Jed for a phenomenal, phenomenal album.

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[Rory]

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[Rory]

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[Rory]

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[Rory]

These lights, I did not expect to hurt my eyes the way that they do. I would have done a better fit too. I just like these. I did not expect these to make my eyes water.

[Co-host Mall]

I thought she was about to play the drums or something. Those are like drummer shades.

[Rory]

These are my breezy bowl hangover shades.

[Co-host Mall]

Breezy bowl hangover? You had a breezy bowl? How to go home. Like, why are you trying to hang out with Chris? Like he just did a five hour set and you trying to hang out and kick it after?

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, I started impressing with how.

[Co-host Mall]

Much I could drink. Oh my God, you're disgusting. You're disgusting. But anyway, we're back.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Co-host Mall]

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[Rory]

Yes.

[Co-host Mall]

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[Rory]

No ads. $5 per month. You can listen to everything ad free at any moment.

[Co-host Mall]

Free. I like hearing ads sometimes, though. Sell me something. Sell me some stuff.

[Rory]

I like when marketing works. Yeah, Like I like being tricked sometimes. Sometimes I like seeing a commercial and go, yes, White Castle. I will, I will drive up the street.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah, but it's, it's hard to get tricked by ads now though. I think, like you get tricked by.

[Rory]

Something, it just reminds. I just think it reminds you sometimes of like things that you missed.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah. People like, oh my God, I spent money on this and I got it and it wasn't what I thought. And then I look at the picture, I'm like, well, why did you even buy this in the first place? What did you think this was going to do for your life?

[Rory]

That's how you know Peach likes that girl. I've never heard his phone ring in my life.

[Co-host Mall]

Got to keep the ring on, right? Ring you don't want to miss. No.

[Rory]

Call Vibrate doesn't do it.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But yes, I had a great time at the, at the breezy Bowl.

[Co-host Mall]

Shout out to Bryson Tiller, Summer Walker and Chris Brown. MetLife Stadium this week in New Jersey. Two nights in a row. Sold out. Shout out to Bryson.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Co-host Mall]

For pulling Up. We got a episode. What is it? Next week?

[Rory]

Next week we have a Bryson Tiller episode.

[Co-host Mall]

Bryson Tiller episode coming soon.

[Rory]

Very interesting conversation. Right now. Our Chance episode is out. We had this week because we did Chance this week too, right?

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm like, everything's blurred at this after the breezy. Boy, I can't even remember. I can't remember.

[Co-host Mall]

Life has been a blur.

[Rory]

It wipes my hard drive of everything.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah. Once you see Chris flying around, like, life is just like a. Like, what is life like?

[Rory]

Look, that's all I have in my head right now.

[Co-host Mall]

You think that you feel small when you're on the plane. Imagine how Chris feels flying over football stadiums every night, looking down on all of you like you all mean nothing. You are so small in his world.

[Rory]

He didn't miss a word while doing backflips to look at me now, 30ft in the air. Yeah, man, I know rappers that can't get through a 16. He hit every word while flipping through the air. But yes, we'll get to that. We had a great conversation with Chance. I hadn't wanted to hear from Chance in a while. Like, I just felt like so much went on in his life. So I thought that was a cool conversation. Bryson conversation was great. Can't wait for that to come out. So we leave here yesterday, and I thought the apocalypse was happening. I had never heard biblical thunder like that. I don't know where you were when that was happening, but in New Jersey, my brand new house was shaking. It's like made of bricks. You've seen my house. It's like a structure.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah, it was shaking it. I knew it was going to rain. I didn't know it was going to storm like that, though. I had just got home as soon as it started, started to rain, and I was like, you know what? Let me just chill for a minute and I head back out, go to MetLife, you know, to catch the show. And then you called me because the tickets were under my name and you needed a ticket. So we got that squared away and I said, rain.

[Rory]

They gave me a band.

[Co-host Mall]

Well, you had a band.

[Rory]

They gave me a band to get on the field, but not into the.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah, not into the safety.

[Rory]

I couldn't get on the grounds.

[Co-host Mall]

So we handled that situation. We got over that obstacle, that hurdle. And I said, yo, is it still raining over there? Because I was, you know, everybody or most people in my timeline were at the show and they showed. At one point, everybody was inside by the concession waiting for the rain to Stop. So I'm like, all right. I don't want to walk into that. Like, it would just seem like madness, you know? You said, nah, it's clear. Everything's good. I said, all right, cool. Hung up with Rory, called the car service, got in the car, headed to MetLife. Rory texts me when I'm about 35 minutes away. He says, heads up. It's a shit show.

[Rory]

He's trying to be a good friend.

[Co-host Mall]

And I told my driver, my good friend, yo, turn this ship around.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Co-host Mall]

Going home. Yeah. No, I'm not going through a shit show to see Chris Brown singing the Ring. First of all, I felt kind of gay.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Co-host Mall]

That I had, like, went home, showered.

[Rory]

Put on cologne, and putting on cologne. Febrezies.

[Co-host Mall]

Well, it wasn't Febreze. It's just part of the routine. That's part of the routine. After you shower, you get dressed, throw a little cologne on. And then I looked in the mirror. I said, I'm going to see a talented man singing the Rain. Like, what am I doing with my life? Right? But no problem saying it. Fan of Chris Brown, Think he's one of the greatest we've ever seen. So anytime you got an opportunity to see Chris Brown, Chris shut down a stadium, you go see it on the way there. Rory says, show. I say, nah, I'm not going. It was too much. It's thunder and lightning.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Co-host Mall]

I feel gay anyway.

[Rory]

And now it's kind of gayer. Turning around with, like. With your fit already on and.

[Co-host Mall]

Nah, but you. But nobody saw me, so it's like. It's not really. You know, I mean, it's not that bad. I mean, I felt bad, like, internally. I was dying on the way there. Like, yo, what am I doing? But for Chris Brown, I was willing to make an exception. So it was like, all right, cool. But then once you say shit show. I'm too old for shit shows, Rory. I'm not doing it. No.

[Rory]

And, I mean, Bryson's performance is great. Summers was great. Obviously, we'll get to the Chris part as well. It wasn't them. It was MetLife. And the infrastructure of just what happened after that rain. Like, everything turned to. Everyone was in different places they shouldn't have been. They was just like, remember, stop and frisk?

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

They were just doing that with people's tickets. Like, no, no, no. Let me see a ticket.

[Co-host Mall]

You.

[Rory]

You're not supposed to sit there. Like, it was a mess.

[Co-host Mall]

Okay. Yeah, I understand that.

[Rory]

It was still easily. I mean, I'm not saying anything that has been on all over social media. It was easily one of the greatest shows I've ever seen in my entire life. Yeah, I've also never seen anyone perform for three hours in my entire life.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah, I had.

[Rory]

I had fatigue.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, I went home exhausted.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And he was the one singing and dancing the entire time.

[Co-host Mall]

That's the illest part about all of this to me, because we, you know, for years we sat down, especially on our platform, and talked about Chris Brown being the one artist that we can all unanimously agree deserves a Super bowl halftime and hasn't gotten it. Whatever reason we want to say he hasn't gotten one yet. That's what it is. But he's the one person, the one artist that we've all, I think, collectively agree deserves a Super bowl halftime show and would absolutely do an amazing job. So what does Chris Brown turn around and do? He turns around and creates the Breezy Bowl.

[Rory]

Breezy Bowl.

[Co-host Mall]

This is essentially Chris Brown's Super Bowl. Every night he's in the stadium. He's in the stadium selling it out, doing three hours of hits, performing at a high level, production at a high level. Everybody that goes is saying it's the greatest show they've ever been to. You know, how amazing of a performer and artist he is. And you get to see 20 years of his songs and his hits being performed. I just think that it's dope that, you know, Chris kind of, you know, named it the Breezy bowl, and is essentially doing a Super bowl halftime show every time out. You know, in these shows, I think it's a. I think it's a flex. I think this is just Chris Brown's way of saying, I don't need to do the super bowl. Actually, I'll do one every night on my tour.

[Rory]

There wasn't. In the three hour set, there wasn't one single song that I was like, damn, what song is this again? Yeah, I knew the words to every single record that came on for three hours. And then when they're strapping them up to the fucking, you know, when he goes as high as the jets that go over MetLife, they have to like, obviously kill some time in between. They bring the DJ back out and he's like, yo, I'm just gonna play a few records that we couldn't squeeze in and then played like four or five number one records while they were strapping bridge. Like, you didn't have songs you couldn't fit in a three hour set right at a stadium.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah, yeah, I just. He just flexing on everybody, man. He's showing y' all there's nobody that can do. I mean, again, a three hour set. There's maybe three other artists that could do something like that and perform at that level, and Chris Brown is obviously one of them. So I did want to go see a mojo society. I did want to go see, see the show because I've been hearing great things about it, but I just felt like it was too many. It's too many. Just red flags. It's the thunder and lightning. It's the delay. It's, you know, you telling me it's a shit show. And then internally, I feel like this is nasty. I got cologne on. Going to see Chris Brown by myself. It just felt nasty.

[Rory]

Yeah. And of course, just how my life just has been working lately, just, you know, running into everybody.

[Co-host Mall]

Oh, man. Jesus.

[Rory]

Who did you. Justice is arguing with the security guards because we're in like the front of House, like on the other side of the barricade, but they were already trying to kick. It was just a lot going on. And justice has like the. The id, like, it's not a pass. Like, he has his photo on the thing for the whole tour and the security guards even getting mad at him with that whole shit. I'm minding my business because I don't even think I'm supposed to be here with whatever credential I have. I'm over here. But then I could see it was getting a little heated, so I just, you know, grabbed Justin, was like, yo, come on, let's. Let's just go this way. Then the security guard grabs my arm and I look at his face and he goes, rory. It's like, hey, man. And just like, you know, he's like, it's my ex cousin in law.

[Co-host Mall]

Look at that. Look at the family everywhere.

[Rory]

No, it wasn't. It's always because, I don't know, I don't know, the temp.

[Co-host Mall]

It's like Toretto said, we used to be really close.

[Rory]

And by his smirk, I couldn't tell if it was like, yo, I've been owing you the fade, or we. We're still. We're still in laws. Don't worry.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

But yeah, it was. It was a little nerve wracking. And then I was sitting there like, of course. I just keep running into every X person like, what front of House of the Chris Brown show. That. That's the guy.

[Co-host Mall]

All right. But did he look out for you? Did he give you.

[Rory]

Yeah. Oh, no, he let it stay right there. That's what was so funny about the whole, like, he was kicking justice out with that id and he was like, y', all. Y' all are fun.

[Co-host Mall]

No, there you go. See family. Your family now.

[Rory]

But speaking of gay, another friend. I will not say his name because I don't want to out him like that in the middle of the show. He did whisper to me, I totally understand if your girl just fucks Chris Brown, right? I was like, what? He's like, come on. Like, she gets a pass. This is in the middle of him doing backflips and shit.

[Co-host Mall]

I was like, no, the fuck she don't. That.

[Rory]

We had a whole debate backstage after the show about the whole thing. He was like, no, you just got.

[Co-host Mall]

To like, debated that.

[Rory]

All right, all right. It wasn't a debate. We all were just looking at him like he was insane the entire time. But he was like, no, you got us. Like, that's top tier level talent. Like, if Rihanna came over here, I would expect my girl to just let me beat. So, like, you got to just let your girl Chris Brown. I was like, I really don't have to, though.

[Co-host Mall]

No. Yeah, no. See, I don't know. Is that what men are thinking at the show? Like, yeah, it's that good of a show. Hey, Chris.

[Rory]

That groundbreaking. You just offer your. Your girl up like Abraham.

[Co-host Mall]

Just take her, do what you want.

[Rory]

With her, have your way with user.

[Co-host Mall]

And send it back home.

[Rory]

I'm honored. Yeah.

[Co-host Mall]

Like, what type of is that?

[Rory]

But I did stay after. They do have the. I forgot what. It's some breezy bow. There's a cute name for it, but it's like an after party in MetLife. Like how Drake has done those before. And I'm not here to on young women, but. Gross.

[Co-host Mall]

Ugh. You don't like them? Not for you.

[Rory]

Every single chick has the exact same face, the same stupid oversized lips. Same. Can't figure out. I'm sure you're white, but you have. You've gone so far with this surgery now I can't tell if you're mixed.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah, he looked. He looked.

[Rory]

Oh, my gosh.

[Co-host Mall]

You look like the aborigines.

[Rory]

Yes, yes. Meanwhile, she's Greek the whole time. I just can't figure it out. They're all boy. Like, they're just sit there and just look swollen in the face. Yeah, they just. They're so uninteresting and gross. I. I just. I feel for the. The young bunch. And listen, I'm no prize and I know none of those women want to sleep with Me?

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Get that out the way. I'm just saying, as a 35 year old man looking at all the couches of just 50 women just sitting there, not even speaking to each other. Like, remember when hoes used to, like, be fun?

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm not even saying like in a sexual way, but like, hoes used to be fun. Y' all are just boring. Y' all had like bad art on the wall.

[Co-host Mall]

You essentially were at. You were essentially at the dmv. All of the women were in the queue hoping that their number was called for sure. Absolutely. No. Have you ever been on a, you know, a job interview? Everybody's in the lobby, kind of just, you know, you don't really talk to each other. It was kind of like, hey now, hey, how you doing? Like, because it's all. We're all in competition. We're all trying to get this position, this job.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Co-host Mall]

So that's the same energy. They all trying to get a position in the job for the night and, you know, just sit there.

[Rory]

And also, extremely selfish and young minded, Young way of thinking. This man just rocked for three hours. Sung every single note, dance the entire time. You think he wants to. Your weird face.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Who has the energy? Like, Chris is inhuman. If. If Chris blocked anyone that night. He is a different level of energy.

[Co-host Mall]

Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

[Rory]

He did walk back into that with more energy than everybody, though. Like, once he walked in, it was like, how are you? I'm tired.

[Co-host Mall]

This is why he's one of the greats, man. You gotta be one of the greats to do that, man. But I am, I am. I am gonna try to catch the show at some point. I don't know which city, but I do wanna see the show. But I just. Last night, it was just too many, too many red flags. And I was just like, ah, man, I don't know. This doesn't feel like the thing to do. And truthfully, I wanted to see Bryson set. And when you told me he had just finished when you got there, I was like, wow.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Co-host Mall]

So.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah. Then when I walked back to Bryson's dressing room to say what's up? Before he left, walk in. Some people in there. One girl goes, hey, Rory, our kids play together. I was like, I can't escape anything.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a simulation. Yeah, you're a dad now.

[Rory]

Justice stared at me because I had the deer in the headlights because I didn't recognize the girl, which made me look like an awful father that I don't know who my kids is. Playing with.

[Co-host Mall]

Right. Ma'. Am. I don't know you. Never seen you before. And how do you.

[Rory]

We had a great conversation. We was just literally going from seeing my ex fiance's cousin to then walking into a green room where I think things are safe, and it's like, hey, our kids play together.

[Co-host Mall]

It's like, dude.

[Rory]

What? All right, I need to go home. You did have, like, definitely a dad trip where you were off the map. Josh, we have that video. This. This was one of those personal lives, like, dad needs a weekend look, but.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

Look at the walk. Can you just rewind it one time?

[Rory]

This is that carnival.

[Co-host Mall]

Look at.

[Rory]

Look at me.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

Look at the camera.

[Rory]

Camera.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

And then. And then look. Oh, and then look at the look off. Like, I didn't see the camera.

[Rory]

Like, this may affect my home life a bit.

[Co-host Mall]

When this came out, I. I defended you online because I definitely defended you on this.

[Rory]

Well, it's the culture.

[Co-host Mall]

It's carnival. Chance is a part. He's entrenched in the culture. This is what you do at carnival.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

Here's the truth. I. Regardless, I was tripping.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

I was tripping.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

Why do you think you were tripping?

[Co-host Mall]

Why do you think he was tripping?

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

I think.

[Rory]

I don't think he was tripping.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

No, I think I was tripping because nobody knew that me and my wife was separated. You know what I'm saying?

[Co-host Mall]

So I have.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

Your lady, whether she your bm, your wife, your girlfriend, your best friend. Don't let your lady look stupid.

[Rory]

For some reason, I thought that was after there was the.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

No, that. Announcing why there was the big deal about it where everybody was tripping was. Was like, is this appropriate behavior for somebody that's married?

[Co-host Mall]

Okay. So that look off wasn't like, oh, I'm caught. It was like, damn, like, I'm putting.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

Our business out there. Basically, it was my birthday.

[Co-host Mall]

Okay.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

And I was. I'm not even gonna say anything else, but I'm saying, like, it was my birthday.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

I'm lit. I'm with all my guys. It's carnival. That was my 30th birthday. And I'm not trying to make excuses. I'm just saying, like, I'm painting the scene for you. Like, but basically.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

I mean, that is. That is, you know, Caribbean culture. That is like, you know, a thing. But, like, at the end of the day, like, I feel like I was glad when that was over because my phone was blowing up the next day about that.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I mean, I feel like, your man that was holding you up on the dub. That's classic move. Maybe he should have been grabbing phones.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

Yeah, no, it's carnival.

[Co-host Mall]

That's the thing.

[Rory]

It's carnival.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

It's like everybody was lit.

[Co-host Mall]

Like, everybody's dancing.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

That was probably the, like, the. The cleanest wine I caught. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, y' all are lucky they censored.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

The other wines I was catching when.

[Co-host Mall]

The sun went down, you know what I'm saying?

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

But it's like. But the truth is, like. Like I said, like, don't. Don't have anybody looking stupid. And. And I went out there for fun. Like, we. I think at the end of the day, like, I do wish that that didn't happen that way. You know what I'm saying? And I wish that I was, you know, more protective of her.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

But, like, I think it's, you know, it's in the past. That's the reality. That's part of it. It's like, you deal with realities, you go through, like, all of these different decisions that get you. Every single decision that we all made got us to sitting on these couches right now. It's always like, okay, like, I gotta deal with whatever comes with that, and also, like, do whatever I can to, like, make up for that. And also, I gotta, like, I can't, like, make it seem like, oh, I gotta build a time machine.

[Rory]

Like, yeah, yeah. I mean, what was that conversation like? Because nothing's worse than, like, especially your 30th birthday. Like, you just start. Phone just start ringing. Like, you don't even know the videos up. Just phone blowing up. Like.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

No, it's like, really? It's like your. I got a lot of people that love me, like, and a lot of people that love me but don't necessarily know everything that's going on in my life. So, like, it's mainly, like, friends, family, team press.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

Like, everybody hitting my line, like, yo, this going viral.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

Like, you.

[Co-host Mall]

You gotta want.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

I know it's your birthday. You supposed to just catch the wine. Don't smack it.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah, yeah. Is it?

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

But, like, you know, at the end of the day, they gonna end, man.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

I'm 32 now. You know what I'm saying?

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah, sorry. Listen, listen. When it came out, I was like, listen, man, he's at carnival. This is what goes on. This is what happens. And everybody was like, nah, he wowed. You know, the women was having. He wild for that. And I'm just like, I get it. But it's carnival. You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

Yeah, I feel the same way. But this is where I believe double standards exist. If it was flipped and my girl did that, I was like, nah, but it's carnival. I'd be like, fuck that. You fucking crazy.

[Co-host Mall]

Standards is real. We know that.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

I feel like there's always gonna be gender wars because there's two genders. Oh, sorry.

[Rory]

Wait.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

All right, let's take a. Let's take a step back.

[Co-host Mall]

There's a Republican. There's a Republican. I knew you was.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

Let's take a step back.

[Co-host Mall]

Let's take a step back.

[Rory]

That's our clip.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

Let's take a step back. Let's take a step back.

[Co-host Mall]

I knew he was a Republican.

[Rory]

Take a step back.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

Let's take a step back. Okay. What I'm trying to say is that the CIA is trying to cause division, my brother.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Co-host Mall]

Yes, absolutely. Yo, it's so funny how you say that and you catch yourself like, wait, whoa, I didn't mean that. I didn't mean it.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

I don't even say the word gender often. So it was like once I heard myself talking, I was like, what am I talking about? You know, right now? What I'm talking about right now, where.

[Rory]

We are right now in your relationship, there was two genders.

[Co-host Mall]

That's what you were getting, what I was saying?

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

What I was saying is like, no matter what, if something happens with some celebrities, there's going to be a lot of people that tag onto the conversation in pushing whatever their belief or stance on something is. And even whatever happened is going to be presented to you by the blogs or whatever, Instagram pages or whatever, in a way to make you have to have a, you know, hot or cold opinion on what's going on. And so sometimes I think the people that's involved in those stories don't even. Like, we don't take the time or give ourselves the grace to realize, like, this shit not really about me. This is about niggas wanting to go get.

[Co-host Mall]

Go.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

Go catch a wine at somewhere else. Like, this don't got nothing to do with me. But unfortunately, I'm tied into this conversation now, and. And it's going to, you know, it'll only last as long as I keep talking about that shit. So I kind of got that, you know?

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah, it happens.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

Drugs. You know what I'm saying?

[Co-host Mall]

It happens.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

Did I do that?

[Rory]

I mean, listen, if you got to get caught doing something, might as well get carnival.

[Co-host Mall]

So you've been. You've been. You've been writing. What is your relationship like today with. With Kanye? Because I would. You didn't put nothing out album wise in the last six years, but you've been writing a lot. You've been working a lot. Specifically with Kanye. What is the relationship like today with ye? Like, where do y' all stand? Do you still speak to him often? You still work with him? Are there any sessions left over? Any music that would. Came from those sessions that are on this album?

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

Nah, there's nothing from. From those sessions on this album. There was one that would have. Could have been raw, but no, there's not any on this album. And I was gonna say, so honesty is the best policy. I haven't talked to him in a long time.

[Co-host Mall]

Okay.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

He's one of the most influential people in my music. You know what I'm saying? He was at my wedding. He was. You know, our kids have hung out together. So, like, you know, I always love Kanye.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

And. And. But just being honest, I haven't talked to him in a while. I feel like I've been hella busy. I'm working on shit. He's obviously been busy.

[Co-host Mall]

He's been working on shit too.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

So, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, nah. But also, like, I don't know. I'll be trying not to take opportunities to, like, diss motherfuckers or, like, add too much to the story. So, like, chances, whatever.

[Co-host Mall]

Genuinely just want to know where y' all at each other.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

I haven't talked to him in a long time, but, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's just. That's people.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I mean, would that be a conversation you'd want to have once, you know, everything gets a little less busy after the release and.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

A conversation. So the way that I think about my world is, like, I'd be thinking about my day. So, like, what I got to do that day and what I'm working on to for the next two weeks, maybe six months. But more likely what I'm just thinking about that day. Yeah, there'd be a lot of shit going on. So my relationships and how I view people as friends and stuff is just, have I loved this person and have they ever, like, you know, willfully and intentionally betrayed me? And so I got friends that I haven't talked to in five or six, seven years.

[Co-host Mall]

Right.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

And so it's like, it's not like I'm anticipating some conversation, some, like, thing where it's like, all right, now it's my time to fix you and Tell your ass what you've been tweaking on. No shit like that. I don't think.

[Rory]

You're not John Legend.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

You know, that's one of my. That was one of my co hosts on the Voice, you know what I'm saying? Shout out to folks, too.

[Rory]

Yeah. John Legend be trying to fix Kanye through Twitter. You got his number.

[Co-host Mall]

That ain't gonna work. Yeah, that ain't gonna get it. That ain't gonna get it.

[Rory]

Like, you know his address, you could just go to. You go to the crib, man.

[Co-host Mall]

Yeah, just pull up. Just blow. I'll let you, man. Yeah, yeah.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

I don't know what they got going on. I'm also a lot younger than them. Like, you know what I'm saying? So I feel like there's also, like, different ways that people can even have friendships because we're not necessarily peers, you know what I'm saying? Like, we, you know, like, I, I, I. My first, like, album that I consciously wanted to have was the College Dropout. So, yeah, so I have a different reverence for him or, or just understanding of, like, how my life went and how it influenced things. I do. Like, I think most rappers got a rapper that was their first album and probably from they city, you know what I'm saying? So imagine if yours was Kanye west, right? So. And imagine if you worked with them and imagine all that. So it's like, for me, I think I just begin that, you know, I let people be people. I always gonna have my own opinions, and I'm always state my opinions, you know what I'm saying? Not necessarily on camera usually, but like. But like, you know, for the most part, I'm just. I'm just gonna be me. I'm let people be them. And so, no, there's not like a time where like, I'm like, man, I gotta make sure I hit up Kanye before I put this album out or after I put this album out or anybody, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'll be thinking about, like, who's in the rack? Like, who am I gonna hang out with today?

[Rory]

Who's gonna.

[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

What business do I have to do today is more my, like, mo.

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[Rory]

Ah, come on.

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[Co-host Mall]

Whenever I go to my specialist, he mentions the R word Remission. Is it possible? Like, is it over?

[Host/Announcer]

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[Co-host Mall]

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[Guest (likely a rapper or music artist)]

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[Host/Announcer]

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[Rory]

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[Rory]

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