Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 8/18

Summary

New Rory & MAL – Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 8/18 (August 24, 2025)

Episode Overview

This “Best Of” episode of New Rory & Mal is an engaging, laughter-filled highlight reel from the week of 8/18, packed with hot takes, hip-hop debates, insight into the evolving music and boxing industries, and playful banter on recent releases and internet discourse. The hosts dig into the state of hip-hop’s “authenticity,” breakdown pop culture’s latest talking points (J. Cole’s college credentials, Cardi B’s new single, and Tyler’s second act after "Water"), plus they debate boxing’s legitimacy in the Jake Paul era. Their irreverent, conversational style mixes humor with real commentary and a few memorable hot takes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Is J. Cole "Hip Hop" If He Went to College? (02:13–07:29)

• Background: The hosts riff about a Twitter "Spaces" debate suggesting J. Cole isn’t “real hip hop” because he went to college, prompting a broad discussion on the intersection of education and hip hop authenticity.
• Vibe: The crew calls out the absurdity and tiredness of this argument, listing a slew of college-educated rappers and making clear: hip hop isn’t defined by diploma status.

Notable Quotes

• Host 2: "J. Cole is definitely hip hop, even though he went to college. Again, my feelings aside, what doesn’t make you hip hop about college?" [03:36]
• Host 2: "People don’t realize college is just high school, you just sleep there. Like, I just sleep on the campus." [03:52]
• Hosts List College-Educated Rappers: Ice Cube (architecture degree), Luda, Talib Kweli, Childish Gambino, LL Cool J, Megan Thee Stallion, David Banner, Wale, Cam'ron—proving higher learning and hip hop coexist. [04:14–07:20]
• On Megan Thee Stallion's Degree: "That's a promise she made to her family that she would finish college." [06:49]

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2. Hilarious Hospital Anecdotes (07:29–11:06)

• Content: The conversation veers into Maul’s hospital work history, last meal wishes, and humorous memories of childhood medical indignities (the dreaded rectal thermometer, wild hospital tales).
• Tone: Classic Rory & Mal, with warm, raunchy, and self-deprecating anecdotes.

Notable Moment

• Host 2: "Don't let him stick that in my butt. ... What type of kinky is this? I'm not that sick." [09:43]

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3. Jake Paul vs Tank Davis: What Does It Mean for Boxing? (11:06–26:14)

• Overview: The crew unpacks the internet-breaking news that Jake Paul will fight Tank Davis. They question boxing integrity, the new celebrity-driven fight genre, rules ambiguity, and what’s at stake for both fighters and the sport.
• Analysis: Jake Paul moving from “circus act” to “prime time” as Tank Davis (in his prime) steps into the ring; implications for legacy and legitimacy in boxing.

Notable Quotes

• Host 3: "Congrats to the Paul brothers, by the way. ... [Tank Davis], in his prime, professional, just stamped that. These are professional boxers. You can't say a word about Jake Paul now, how could you?" [17:21]
• On Risk for Tank Davis: "He has the entire legacy of boxing on his back right now." [18:08]
• On Betting Odds and Size: The hosts analyze weight classes, reach differences, and joke about putting money on Jake Paul going the distance. “You know what it’s like to fight somebody with a 10-inch reach [advantage]?” [24:12]
• Host 2: “When you got a white boy in the ring that you know he willing to die in that—Jake Paul willing to die on Netflix.” [24:43]

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4. Cardi B’s “Imaginary Players” – Single Review and the Art of the Flip (30:58–39:49)

• Topic: The team gives their takes on Cardi’s much-anticipated “Imaginary Players,” a flip of Jay-Z’s classic.
• Diverging Takes: Some praise the record as a classy, fashionable “girl version” with effective bars and style; others (most notably Maul) critique it for feeling too "produced," lacking authenticity, and disconnecting due to its delivery style.

Notable Quotes

• Host 3: "I think she was talking... it’s a cool girl version of [Jay-Z’s] that. I think it’s a great record." [31:18]
• Host 2 (on Cardi’s Delivery): “It just feels too… produced. It feels too coached… I just didn’t believe what she was saying in it.” [33:57]
• Host 1: “I think it’s because of Cardi’s accent. I think recording songs is a little bit harder for her... She’s trying to make y’all hear it.” [37:16]

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5. Will Cardi B Drop Another Single Before Her Album? (39:27–42:09)

• Discussion: Speculation about album rollout, the “leaky” release of previous singles (“Outside”), and whether a major feature is coming soon. Guesses include R&B acts (SZA, Kehlani), but also nods to Bad Bunny, Doja Cat, and Ice Spice.

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6. Tyler After "Water": The Struggle of Breaking Black Pop Acts (43:16–60:57)

• Premise: The hosts tackle why Tyla’s follow-up to her global hit “Water” isn’t connecting at the same level, and dive into why straight “pop” rarely breaks new Black female stars in America.
• Themes:
  • Industry failures: Poor promo for Tyla’s EP (most didn’t know it dropped).
  • The “Cardi syndrome” – how a smash debut sets up impossible expectations.
  • The lack of artist development and unrelatable pop personas in a TikTok era.
  • Deep industry question: When was the last new Black female pop act to break through without “crossover” R&B?

Notable Quotes

• Host 1: "It's the Cardi syndrome. If you do so well on your first drop, anything you do after... she’s never gonna be able to match ‘Water’.” [43:52]
• Host 2: "Tinashe’s dope... I don’t know what the disconnect is there, though." [56:39]
• Host 1: "Pop music for the longest has been centered toward the young teenage white girls... Taylor Swift is so popular not because her music is the greatest, it’s because every dorky white girl looks at her and says, 'she reminds me of me.'" [56:53]
• Host 3: "I think Tyler will be good if she doesn’t try to aim for America’s approval … other countries are more loyal than we are." [61:05]
• Host 2: "We need more MTV, Real World. We need those shows back. I think pop music was better with TRL." [60:42]

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Memorable Moments & Banter

• Hospital Food Stories: Maul’s pride in his hospital food service and comedic what-if scenarios about patient last meals. [07:29–08:12]
• Boxing Jokes: “You got a white boy in the ring that you know he willing to die in that. Jake Paul willing to die on Netflix. You n****s ain't willing to die on Netflix.” [24:43]
• Cardi B’s Accent Debate: Playful disagreement about New York vs. LA accents and recording challenges. [38:37–38:40]
• Pop Music Riffs: Singing “Absolutely loved her” as they reminisce about early-2000s alternative rock and the old days of MTV’s TRL. [60:57–61:03]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• J. Cole & College Degrees in Hip Hop: 02:13–07:29
• Funny Hospital & Childhood Stories: 07:29–11:06
• Jake Paul vs Tank Davis – Boxing's New Era: 11:06–26:14
• Cardi B’s “Imaginary Players” Review: 30:58–39:49
• Album Rollout & Feature Speculation: 39:27–42:09
• Tyla, Black Pop Acts & Industry Barriers: 43:16–60:57

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Episode Summary

For listeners and non-listeners alike, this “Best of” episode features a punchy and insightful mix of pop culture conversation, music debate, and signature Rory & Mal humor. The hosts deftly move from serious musical analysis to deadpan jokes about life’s oddities, always maintaining a tone that is both irreverent and authentic. Whether you’re interested in the roots of hip hop, the spectacle of new-age boxing, or the challenges facing international pop talent in the U.S. market, this episode serves up sharp commentary and plenty of laughs in classic New Rory & Mal fashion.

Transcript

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[Host 2]

A real hip hop.

[Host 3]

Real hip hop.

[Host 2]

Okay, and.

[Host 3]

And shout out to Glasses Malone. He was on there apparently. And again, I don't have all the details here. I just saw the aftermath. Apparently J. Cole was not hip hop because he went to college They've been.

[Host 2]

Saying that, though J. Cole is in hip hop because he went.

[Host 3]

Def Jam was founded in NYU dorm. Yeah.

[Host 2]

Like, what do we do? That's.

[Host 1]

That's not. No, that's not. Not new rhetoric at all, really.

[Host 2]

J. Cole isn't hip hop because he went to college.

[Host 3]

I remember seeing people like, yo, I wish you would stop rapping about student loans. Cole, you're on your third album. You're like a multi millionaire. Like, don't tell me about student loans.

[Host 1]

That was a good time.

[Host 3]

But I've never seen anyone say, because you went to college, you're not hip hop.

[Host 2]

Yeah. Y' all know why I think J. Cole ain't hip hop. But not because he went to college, though. Like, that's stupid.

[Host 3]

I mean, bad timing is puff hip hop because he broke big at Howard's.

[Host 2]

Yeah. I mean, I don't. That's. That's because somebody went.

[Host 3]

And I don't know if that was a direct thing, but you know how Twitter takes one little sentence and then makes a whole random conversation about it? I don't know if that was the exact thing, but that was the consensus of the argument afterwards of that spaces. And it's just the wildest thing in.

[Host 2]

The world to me. Yeah, that's just. I. I think that's just people looking for engagement. That's just stupid. J. Cole is definitely hip hop, even though he went to college. Again, my feelings aside, what doesn't make.

[Host 3]

You hip hop about college? What happens when you. When you get there?

[Host 2]

Like, people don't realize college is just high school. You just sleep there. You just sleep there. Like, I just sleep on the campus, like. But there's not much difference than a high school. And I never went to college, but I was there enough to know, like, nigga, this is high school.

[Host 3]

And the.

[Host 1]

At least the first two years.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 3]

Of rappers that went to college that just don't talk about it. You'd be very surprised. Yeah, like. Like a lot of rappers.

[Host 2]

So who. Ice Cube has an architectural degree. Ice Cube? Yeah, Ice Cube. Somebody gonna tell me Ice Cube ain't hip hop?

[Host 3]

Like, none of you has an architectural degree?

[Host 2]

That makes sense.

[Host 3]

Oh, no, it definitely does. But I never knew that. Rappers that went to college, you know, AI Never Lies Never. Oh, we knew Luda did Quality. Went to what? City College.

[Host 2]

It's college.

[Host 3]

Yeah. Two chains. Childish Gambino, which, by the way, I was listening to Childish Gambino on a podcast. It was an old one. It was around because of the Internet.

[Host 2]

Hello, Cool J went to College.

[Host 3]

Yeah, probably.

[Host 1]

That is a surprise.

[Host 3]

When he probably went to Stony Brook.

[Host 1]

Anything that say in the back of my mind, I hear my conscious call.

[Host 2]

Definitely went to Stony Brook. He went to Harvard Business School.

[Host 3]

But that's like, when they give. Yeah, I said this.

[Host 2]

Been a superstar since he was 17, 18. He was the first rap superstar. When the. Did he go.

[Host 3]

When did he go to high school?

[Host 2]

Yeah, like, when did he go to that. Ll go to. Don't tell me what they gave him after he was LL Cool J. N. I'm talking about when moms was like, it's either school or work, and he's all, I'm going to school.

[Host 3]

But Childish Gambino was an RA and all of that checked out. Like, once he said that on that podcast, I think it was actually one up. I think it was Pete and Scythe. I was like, of course you are an ra. Childish Campino gives so much RA energy.

[Host 2]

Lil Wayne was a no.

[Host 3]

This is all like, sweetie, we know. Went to usc. Yeah. Wale played college football for a little bit. I don't think he finished. Cameron played ball for. I think it was in Texas, but then came back David Banner.

[Host 2]

I could see David Banner.

[Host 3]

What's funny is, as someone that is a. A reformed Kanye, Stan having your album called College Dropout, and I seriously have no idea what college Kanye west went to.

[Host 2]

And I'm.

[Host 3]

I feel like I know everything about Kanye West. What college did Kanye west go to?

[Host 2]

Somewhere in Chicago.

[Host 3]

Like, where did he drop out?

[Host 2]

Chicago.

[Host 3]

Chicago State University.

[Host 2]

But this is before he became Kanye the Artist.

[Host 3]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Host 3]

Logic, believe it or not.

[Host 1]

Oh, I would have never guessed.

[Host 3]

I actually don't think Logic went to school. That's weird. Meg, that was like, her whole thing, right?

[Host 2]

Meg? Yeah, she went to college.

[Host 3]

Like, I understand for women and, like, the empowerment of college and all that. Her still going to college after she made it. For what? What do we do? You mean for what?

[Host 1]

People? Careers end all the time.

[Host 2]

That's a promise she made to her family that she would finish college.

[Host 3]

Oh, all right, so you. Now you're adding that to it.

[Host 1]

But even. Even if she didn't make her.

[Host 3]

No retort now.

[Host 1]

Even if she didn't make that promise, why would she stop People? We see failed rap careers all the time.

[Host 3]

Oh, I agree that all the time.

[Host 2]

You know, you. You. The lifespan of a rapper is probably a year. If that.

[Host 3]

What was Meg's degree?

[Host 1]

Medical, health, Certain. Something like health administration or something like that.

[Host 3]

Okay, yeah.

[Host 1]

Health administration. Bachelor of science.

[Host 2]

Oh, yeah.

[Host 3]

She work at a Call center and shit. If it don't work out.

[Host 2]

Oh, she went to tsu, okay?

[Host 3]

She could do what Ma was doing in the hospitals.

[Host 2]

Hey, hey. I took pride in what I did.

[Host 3]

No, you didn't.

[Host 2]

I did. I took pride in my work.

[Host 3]

What type of pride you took?

[Host 2]

I took pride in my work making sure the patients got their food and what they wanted to eat. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes they was cool. I run into the store. Cause the menu was whacked that day. They be like, yo, listen, go give me a calzone. You know what I'm saying?

[Host 3]

Did you check their paperwork to see if they could have a calzone.

[Host 1]

If.

[Host 3]

You about to die? Like, I'm.

[Host 2]

Doctor didn't understand why they pressure wasn't dropping. Pepperoni, calzones.

[Host 3]

Yeah. I mean, they even give death row inmates food before they're about to die. Like, I want to go out. All right.

[Host 2]

Yeah, man.

[Host 3]

I would, like, if I knew I was about to die, I would definitely appreciate if Maul went and got me a cow.

[Host 2]

Yeah, man. Like, come on, man. What you want, man? All right, I got you, man. I'll be right back.

[Host 3]

But back to my dying wish. If I know I'm gonna die, can you go out and get me cracked?

[Host 2]

Yes.

[Host 3]

All right, cool.

[Host 2]

I got you. Don't worry about me if you're out of here. If I know you out of here. All right, man, I got to get you that.

[Host 3]

Imagine smoking crack next to your oxygen machine. Like, just sneaking crack into the facility.

[Host 2]

You can do that. They'd be in the hospitals. Why not?

[Host 3]

Who be?

[Host 1]

Oh, that's everybody. It's like a jail.

[Host 2]

That's patience. No, patience.

[Host 3]

And, yeah, I always thought there was, like, a joke from, like, Happy Gilmore where all the. The old people were getting. That's like, really?

[Host 2]

No patience. Like, yeah, it's continental only.

[Host 3]

Who is. Wait, all right, so patients are other patients or patients are nurses?

[Host 2]

No, they're like their partners, their boyfriend. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Host 3]

Now I've done that.

[Host 2]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You acted surprised. I know you.

[Host 3]

I know. I thought it was like.

[Host 2]

Like randos.

[Host 3]

Like, I thought, like, the nurse game. Like, this is like some porn scene.

[Host 2]

Oh, no.

[Host 3]

I'm just some sick guy, and a nurse comes in, and I start. I'm like. I just don't feel like that happens.

[Host 2]

No, no, no. That's.

[Host 3]

Oh, no. I've definitely a significant other in hospital before.

[Host 2]

Yeah, I mean, that's. All right. Pull that gown to the side a little bit.

[Host 3]

Yeah. So Sometimes that's what they need.

[Host 2]

Check your temperature.

[Host 1]

Rectum.

[Host 2]

Yeah, listen, man, the doctor will come.

[Host 1]

In, Yo, I used to hate that, yo. Like, I hated rectal thermometers, bro.

[Host 3]

I don't ever. I have no remembrance of ever having a thermometer mask.

[Host 2]

I could call my dad right now. He would tell you the story about how I cursed out everybody in the hospital, and they was trying to do that. Say, your dad, do not let him stick.

[Host 3]

How old are you? Like 30.

[Host 1]

How old were you?

[Host 2]

No, I was a kid cursing out everybody, like, don't let him stick that in my butt. I wasn't playing that check, yo. Just give me that. Put it under my tongue, dog. You're not putting under my ass to check my. What type of kinky is this? Well, I'm not that sick.

[Host 1]

It's more accurate.

[Host 2]

We ain't got to be. I'm not that sick. I'm. All right, let's get a little cold. You ain't gotta stick.

[Host 3]

That's why we. We drink through our butts, too. Like, to get drunken, Remember?

[Host 2]

No, I don't remember nobody doing that.

[Host 3]

Can we talk about that?

[Host 2]

No. Oh, the tampon.

[Host 3]

Yeah, the tampon. And then.

[Host 2]

Yeah. That's crazy. I don't believe that, though. I don't believe people did that. For real.

[Host 3]

But how old was you? Because I. I was. Mara had that happen, and that was the first time I've ever even seen somebody. I thought that was, like, almost a myth. No, like, I thought it was. I thought it was, like, dogs, like, basically used to get that.

[Host 2]

I might have been five, six years old.

[Host 3]

Oh, nah, see, that's. That's kinky. A baby.

[Host 2]

Baby.

[Host 3]

I have no remembrance of ever. I'm sure it happened to me.

[Host 2]

I will call my. He will tell you how I was cursing like, yo, do not let him stick that in my butt. Like, what is that? I'm not that sick. Just got a fever. Like, my ass isn't hot like, my hair. What happen. Yeah, what happened to the back of the palm here?

[Host 3]

Remember they used to do this, like, just right here?

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Like, you got to stay right here. You got to put no thermometer in my. Get the up.

[Host 3]

And I've been sitting in this emergency room for three hours. I got swamp ass.

[Host 2]

I wasn't. I wasn't with that. I wasn't. Even as a kid, I knew something wasn't right with that. Like, n. Yeah.

[Host 3]

No, no. No remembrance of that whatsoever. Of having that done. Jake Paul, Tank Davis announced boxing is at its peak. Finally Boxing is back.

[Host 2]

Yeah, I mean, I ain't mad at Tank, man. Get that bag.

[Host 3]

I'm not mad at him either.

[Host 2]

Get that bag, man.

[Host 3]

And as much as I give the Paul brothers, everyone get money, man, whatever.

[Host 2]

I mean, it's entertainment. We know what this is. This is just entertainment.

[Host 3]

Okay. But they got me on like their last 10 fights. I don't really know if I'm going to like tune into this.

[Host 2]

Oh, you're definitely going to tune into this.

[Host 3]

I can just see the replays on.

[Host 2]

This is, this is Jake's.

[Host 3]

This is the last one was. So it was a snooze. The Tyson was a snooze fest.

[Host 2]

But this is, this is Jake's toughest opponent. This is his toughest fight that he's taking.

[Host 3]

Yeah, no, I, I agree, but I already watch.

[Host 2]

Why are you going to watch it?

[Host 3]

It's rule. There's too many rules.

[Host 2]

Like there's no rules. It's actually, it's actually a bounty on a knockout.

[Host 3]

They all right, but they say that every fight and then it ends up being an exhibition.

[Host 2]

Now, I don't know if they said that. I don't know if they said it's a bounty on a knockout every fight.

[Host 1]

Okay, Yeah, I thought knockouts were like not allowed on some of the expo exit.

[Host 2]

No, there's like, there's a, there's a, there's a bonus if you knock in this fight. If you knock, if one of them knocks each other out. So like they, they head hunting, man.

[Host 3]

What's, what's in the fine print. I feel like with, with these fights, they need to show us the con. This is the only time I want to see the contract with fights. Like, please show me what the real rules are. What you guys signed, like sign it in person.

[Host 2]

So you're saying you want to, you want to make sure this is a real legit. Yeah, this is a legit fight.

[Host 3]

Because this is insane if it's a real fight.

[Host 2]

No, this is a legit fight.

[Host 3]

Like, even I, I thought it was insane with Tyson. I don't care how old he is, anytime. The Paul brothers have fought like a real opponent. I respect it. And I think both of them, especially Jake, are great fighters. I'm not here to shit on their abilities, but it's always been in the confined within the rules of an exhibition, whether they try to promote it differently or not. I'm not knocking them for it. But you just about to fight Tank with no rules.

[Host 2]

No, they're gonna have rules. You have to have rules regular Rules.

[Host 3]

Of boxing, I'm saying, like, you can knock somebody up.

[Host 2]

Well, it says what. When asked if the fight would be an exhibition, Most Valuable Promotions co founder Nikisa Bedarian told ESPN that the contracted weight and number of round had yet to be agreed upon. All of this is still being negotiated. So however much Tank is able to weigh, I don't think he's gonna go in there too much over his normal fighting weight because he still wants to be quick, but he'll be heavier than most of his normal fights. So, yeah, I mean, I just think that'll be it. And how many rounds is obviously another thing to be negotiated. But as far as, like, can I punch you in your face? Like, absolutely.

[Host 3]

That's happened with all their fights.

[Host 2]

Yeah, no, they're gonna.

[Host 3]

Paul and Floyd Mayweather won like, they weren't milking that whole. They went the distance.

[Host 2]

Yeah, I mean, but again, that's, you.

[Host 3]

Know, Tyson like, Tyson still. Tyson, like, I don't know.

[Host 2]

But this is a.

[Host 3]

If it's a straight up.

[Host 2]

This is a prime. Tank Davis, though.

[Host 3]

That's what I'm saying. That's why this. There has to be.

[Host 2]

He's significantly smaller than Jake Paul, but.

[Host 3]

He'S significantly smaller than Logan.

[Host 2]

But. Yeah, but he's still. He's still. Tank is still. Still very dangerous in that ring, no matter if you're bigger than him or not. But I think this is going to be probably Jake Paul's most watched fight again, because Tank, Dave, he's fighting somebody that is at the top of their fight game, in the prime of their fight game. And Tank Davis is one of the most exciting boxers that we have. So this is Jake Paul. This is his biggest fight.

[Host 3]

I mean, how do you think the, I guess, quote, unquote, real boxing world is viewing Tank like his peers?

[Host 2]

Cause I guess it started from, you know, when Tank. When Jake Paul fought Tyson.

[Host 3]

Yep, I remember.

[Host 2]

And Tank jumped on Twitter and he was like, man, I want to fight you. Because he didn't like the fact that Jake went in there and, you know, kind of made an older Mike Tyson. You know, it's like, why you hitting on an older guy? Like, fight me. That's that type of thing. So that's why this came. This fight finally came to fruition because Tank wanted to fight. He. He jumped out there and Jake Paul, being the businessman that he is, was like, he knows how much money this would. Would make and how big this fight would be. So they obviously, you know, made it happen. But again, I do think that Jake Paul's bigger.

[Host 3]

All right.

[Host 2]

But I think that Tank is. This is going to be a tough fight for Tank again. Tank Davis is Tank Davis.

[Host 3]

I don't know if it's a much.

[Host 2]

Better fighter, but tough of a fight.

[Host 3]

And I think Jake Paul is a great fighter, But I'm saying, all right, anytime the Paul brothers have fought real boxers, it's been Mayweather at the end of his career type. Like, they always do it with the older legacy real boxers, which is cool. Whatever, it's fun, it's Entertainment. I'll pay10.99 for it. How would the boxing world view Mayweather when we've been waiting for you to fight Pacquiao, but instead you go fight a Paul brother during your fight?

[Host 2]

Wasn't he retired when he took that fight? Wasn't Floyd retired when he took that fight?

[Host 3]

Yeah, no, no, of course. I'm. Tank being at his. At his prime right now, in the middle of his prime, instead of fighting somebody else, he's going to the circus. And I don't mean the circus disrespectfully. I'm saying no other fighter in their prime. Like, imagine if Zab took this fight at his prime. We'd be looking at Zab like, what? Yo, what are you. What are you doing right now?

[Host 2]

I mean, for that bag, I'm not knocking it.

[Host 3]

I'm saying the real boxing, his peers looking at him like, yo, we get that this has become a whole new genre. It's actually keeping money in the pockets of the boxing world. We got to deal with it. Matter of fact, we're starting to respect it. But it's always the legacy acts. Of course, Tyson, if he wants to go get a bag, he's older. It's fun. Yeah, but now you're. Now you're really mixing these worlds with somebody in a fucking prime.

[Host 2]

Yeah, but it's different with Tank because he's not ducking nobody. He's already fought everybody. He's supposed to fight the Lamont Roach fight. I think it's still going to happen after this fight. So, yeah, this is one of a bag he probably picked up, but this officially like 30 million for this or something like that.

[Host 3]

Congrats to the Paul brothers, by the way. Now, like, if anyone wants to question anything, you have been solidified, stamped as a professional boxer for the rest of y' all lives. Like this. Stamped it. Tyson didn't stamp it. Mayweather didn't stamp it. Tank Davis, in his prime, professional, just stamped that. These are professional box. You can't say a word about Jake Paul, now, how could you.

[Host 2]

Now, if Jake Paul, the number one.

[Host 3]

In his prime, is fighting you right now, not a legacy act, but if.

[Host 2]

You go in there and get knocked out.

[Host 3]

If he doesn't, if he doesn't.

[Host 2]

If he goes the distance, we can start looking at Jake a little as a fighter.

[Host 3]

So do I. Jake has nothing to lose here. If he gets knocked out. He got knocked out by a prime about to be legendary fighter, if not already a legend in his own right.

[Host 2]

No, Tank is a legend. Yes, he's a legend.

[Host 3]

Jake has not lose hair. Tank. Literally, we used to joke, yo, Mayweather, you doing this. Like, you got boxing on your back now. Like this. If you want to get in the ring with him, everyone's saying they're not real fighters is a joke. This is that. That's whatever. Now it's for real. If Jake Paul goes a distance with Dan Davis, he has the entire legacy of boxing on his back right now.

[Host 2]

I got to see what the this.

[Host 3]

He went from circus to prime time.

[Host 2]

I ain't gonna lie, man. I. I kind of want to put money on Jake Paul in this fight.

[Host 1]

Man, you lying.

[Host 2]

I'm just saying. I don't. What we doing. I don't know if I want to bet on the knockout, but I'm just like the distance. I might be. I might be. I must be with Tyson.

[Host 3]

Tank is what, 1, 135 usually?

[Host 1]

Yes.

[Host 3]

And Jake's what usually?

[Host 1]

205.

[Host 3]

2, 2, 2.

[Host 2]

Like 2:10, 2:15, something like that.

[Host 1]

200.

[Host 3]

All right. Do we think Jake will lose weight?

[Host 2]

No, I think Jake will lose some weight. I think he will some. He's not gonna go in there under.

[Host 3]

200 pounds, though, because now we're getting. We're getting into live boxing area at this point. Like, if we're gonna make. He's in his prime. There needs to be a actual weight class for this.

[Host 2]

No, but that's what.

[Host 3]

So they need to meet somewhere. It can't be like, all right, Jake, you go down to 190 and tank, you go up to 150. Like, we have to have. This is prime. This isn't some old guy that's getting a bag.

[Host 2]

Yeah, but we have to get.

[Host 3]

We have to find a middle ground. Everybody has to be 155 or nothing.

[Host 1]

It doesn't work.

[Host 2]

That's not Jake Paul not going in a 155.

[Host 3]

Tank getting up to 155.

[Host 2]

Jake Paul going in 155. He going to collapse trying to walk up the steps. Going in the ring. He going to be so dehydrated. You're not.

[Host 3]

Wait, you don't think Jake. First of all, Jake. I'm not saying, like, Jake Paul, but He has been 155 in his life before Jake. Jake has not looked this way his whole life.

[Host 2]

In high school. Yeah.

[Host 3]

How. All right, when was it Jake that fought.

[Host 2]

I'm not going in there. No, 150, man. I don't know what you talking about.

[Host 3]

Point guard from the Celtics. Oh, yeah, Nick. Yeah. Nate Robinson.

[Host 2]

You thought he was 155 when he walked in the.

[Host 3]

No, no, no. I want to know what weight he was at that before he got like, to be a close.

[Host 2]

He was probably 200.

[Host 3]

Was that Logan or Jake? I can't remember.

[Host 2]

That was J. Paul. That was J.

[Host 3]

Jake Paul. Well, first of all, that was one that I called. I'm so mad I didn't take more bets on that. I was dying laughing when people. Oh, yeah, like, please.

[Host 2]

Jake Paul's.

[Host 3]

I know. I didn't say he was 155. I thought he was.

[Host 2]

Get down. He's not getting down. No lighter than 189. It's more interesting if he's bigger. Like. Yeah, yeah. Like, he going. He going in there. He might take.

[Host 3]

He'll get down to 190, though.

[Host 2]

Yeah. 189. 190.

[Host 3]

The difference is how many. That was 20. 20. It's been Jake, but I think. All right, Jake's last fight, how heavy was. He definitely wasn't 200 even.

[Host 2]

He was more than that.

[Host 3]

It might have been 225.

[Host 2]

Yeah, he was more than that.

[Host 3]

That's what I'm saying. It's been a big.

[Host 2]

But he's fighting a bigger guy.

[Host 3]

Yeah, it's been a big gap. From the Nate Robinson fight, he was 227. 227.

[Host 2]

Yeah. From the Tyson, he was 227.

[Host 3]

I don't know, man.

[Host 2]

It's gonna be an interesting one. I'll tell you what's Tanks reach?

[Host 3]

Can we pull up Tanks reach?

[Host 1]

And what's their height difference, too?

[Host 2]

Tank is like five, seven. I think Jake Paul might be six feet, six one, maybe.

[Host 3]

Yeah, it's gonna be. See, but I don't like this because now all of a sudden y' all got me thinking, Jake Paul could win.

[Host 2]

No, no, no. But the reason you think when I.

[Host 3]

Start looking at this, I'm starting to consider what you're saying.

[Host 2]

No, no, no. Because I. Listen, that's what I'm saying. I. I might be inclined to just put Some money on Jake going the distance or something like that. I don't know if I want to bet on him knocking Tank out. I don't. I'm not going. I'm not going to do that. But go the distance because I. I think. I think Tank going in there to knock him straight out. Like, Tank wants to knock him out now. Is he. Would he be able to. Is he going to. I don't know, man. I think Jake Paul's a lot.

[Host 3]

It would be like an exhaustion knockout. He not going in there. Haymaker knockout. He would have to wear him out for rounds to the point that he's just getting exhausted. And then just one is just putting them down.

[Host 2]

All it takes is one.

[Host 3]

Oh, no, of course. But there's. There's exhaustion, knockouts, and then there's straight up.

[Host 2]

But no, you can. You can get caught with one when you fully. Your tank is full. And if you get caught with one, all your energy.

[Host 3]

Yeah, I'm aware.

[Host 2]

You play fight night before. Remember, you get hit with a hate.

[Host 3]

Maker fight night in real life and been at 100 health with the GTA cheat codes.

[Host 2]

Clean, knocked out. This is gonna be a good fight, though. I think this is gonna be a good fight. I do think this will be a good fight. I know people, how they feel about Jake Paul. And obviously Tank Davis is a fucking legend. But I think this is gonna be a better fight than.

[Host 3]

People think it's funny. Cause I like Jake Paul a lot, but I also like rooting against him.

[Host 2]

Yeah, that's why everybody's. People want to see him get knocked out.

[Host 3]

It's because they want that.

[Host 2]

They want to see him get his head knocked off.

[Host 3]

But it's such a weird thing in my head because, yes, I want to see that too, because I want to prove that. Like, it's almost like wrestling's real. Like boxing. Like, nah, you can't with real boxers. But he continues to prove himself. But this is the one. If he wins, I'm sorry, he's.

[Host 2]

No, I don't do that. Because if he wins, I'm going to say, yo, they paid him to win, and all of that. Like, y' all not going to give Jake Paul's credit. So don't do that. I do think it'll be a knockout.

[Host 3]

I mean, his brother couldn't even beat Jelly Roll. Like, what are we talking about?

[Host 2]

He did. They did be Jelly Roll.

[Host 3]

Oh, he did?

[Host 2]

Yeah. What are you talking about?

[Host 3]

That was in the script.

[Host 2]

See? Do you go with the script? Do you go with the script? Either way, November 15th, I think. November 15th, 16th, 19th. One of the. One of the teens.

[Host 3]

67.

[Host 2]

November 14th on Netflix. Netflix right in Atlanta, State Farm Arena.

[Host 1]

Hey, Netflix, man. Have y' all servers updated that skipping I was dealing with that last fight. Bad service, all of that. Have that fixed. Make sure y' all got enough computers, right?

[Host 2]

Yeah, because this gonna. That's gonna be this. Everybody's watching this.

[Host 3]

I'm starting to walk back. Sony, my text right now. Why they have a 10 inch difference on reach. You know what it's like to fight somebody with a 10? Like they have 10 inches over you in a reach.

[Host 2]

I told you.

[Host 3]

I might even trying to get to you is like, I might want to.

[Host 2]

Put some money on Jake Paul. You just hang.

[Host 3]

He'll find angles that I don't think we know.

[Host 2]

Tank is the best fighter by far.

[Host 3]

Certain angles that he.

[Host 2]

Tank is the better fighter by far. He's the better fighter. Better boxer by far.

[Host 3]

Goes without saying, but significantly bigger than.

[Host 2]

Him when you got a white boy in the ring that you know he willing to die in that. Jake Paul willing to down Netflix. You niggas ain't willing to down Netflix.

[Host 3]

That's a fact.

[Host 2]

Yeah, he willing to down Netflix. I don't know, man. I don't know. I gotta wait till the odds come out. I look at FanDuel when it gets closer and see, like, what they saying. I'll see if I can put a little. Pull a little something on Jake Paul going a distance or something like that.

[Host 3]

Where are they fighting? That is it. In Vegas.

[Host 2]

State Farm Arena, Joe Atlanta. Oh.

[Host 3]

Oh, man. Hit volume right now. If we not ringside, then deal is over.

[Host 2]

Yeah, I don't want to be right.

[Host 3]

That was in our stipulation with. With in our contract.

[Host 2]

Ringside, you get Vaseline blood.

[Host 3]

Specifically with Tank Davis and Jake Paul. We were ahead of our time. We said if this fight happens, we got to be ringside.

[Host 2]

So projected odds are I have Tank.

[Host 3]

As a slight favorite.

[Host 2]

Tank is a slight favorite right now.

[Host 3]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

So I'm saying, man, it might be. You might be inclined to put a little something on Jake Paul. Man, I'm just saying just the distance at least to go to distance.

[Host 3]

64.

[Host 2]

They got Jake Paul with a 64 chance of winning. Oh, Tank. I'm about to say they got Jake with a 64.

[Host 3]

That's even crazy to me. That makes me want to put something on Jake.

[Host 2]

That's what I'm trying to tell you, bro.

[Host 3]

64% chance.

[Host 2]

64% chance of winning for Tank. Right now. I don't know man. It's gonna be interesting though. I still think Tank is gonna win the fight, but it's gonna be interesting. It's gonna be. It's gonna be fun to watch, but I do think Tank is gonna win the fight. No worrying now.

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[Host 3]

Well, since we've seen you, which I told you off, Mike, that Cardi B was cursing me out on Thursday night at midnight. I was praying to God that Imaginary Players was good just so I could save my own mental health and my own phone and what for messages that I was going to get.

[Host 1]

What did you think?

[Host 3]

I'm honestly saying I do like the record.

[Host 1]

I do.

[Host 3]

I think she was talking to. I think it was a cool. A cool flip. Same concept. I think it's a cool girl version of that. I think it's a great record.

[Host 1]

Yeah, I like that she leaned into that because, like I've said, that's where Cardi. It separates herself from the rest of the female rappers, is the fashion. She's always been so into fashion the moment she got famous. So, yeah, I'm happy that she leaned into talking her shit with that.

[Host 3]

Yeah, I like the Glory Hill bars. I like the watch taking the links out. Like, did she have some. Some bars in there? I think it's a great record for women, and I'm actually glad that they just left the beat kind of as is, because, I mean, not even back to the Aussie thing, but in general, we've talked about, like, some of these flips are getting rid absolutely out of control. So I'd rather her just rap over the original beat than try to flip it and make it something that's not and sound weird. Like, to imaginary players, drill record. I just don't know.

[Host 2]

God.

[Host 3]

So that's what I would. I don't think Jay would have cleared that. Very scared that it was going to be that, but I know. I think it's a cool record. I thought the video was great.

[Host 2]

Yeah, that's.

[Host 3]

That's really my take on it.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 3]

I don't know if. I don't know if it's what I really feel or if I'm terrified, but, you know, could be fair. No, no. I really do like the record, and I thought the video was great. Thoughts on the Bronx legend? You already have imaginary.

[Host 2]

I mean, Jesus Christ. Y' all know I love Cardi.

[Host 3]

You can be honest.

[Host 1]

You can be honest.

[Host 3]

I'm in sniffles for this whole time. Now all of a sudden got sinuses.

[Host 2]

Y' all know I love Cardi, and I'm supporting Cardi. I thought it was cool. Thought it was okay. Yeah, I just. I don't know if BK Tidal Wave would have approved Rest in Peace to Be K Tidal Wave. I don't know if she would have Been jacking it like that. I just. You know what it is? I think it's. I just. I don't know. And. And I don't. I try not to listen to, you know, a lot of these newer artists with the same hip hop ears, the same music is that I was raised with only because it's just a different time now. But it's just something about the record that doesn't feel authentic to me. It just feels too placed. It's like they would. It's like almost like chasing, you know, the fact that it's a sample from a song that we all know. Some people didn't even know the song since the first time they ever hearing about Imaginary Player. But it just feels too. I want to say produced. It feels too coached.

[Host 3]

Okay.

[Host 2]

Like, I don't. I don't. I don't feel what Cardi is saying.

[Host 3]

Like, really.

[Host 2]

The glory hole line, I thought was. Was hilarious. I thought that was a slick line. I like that. But it's just something about. I didn't like the ad lib. Like, I don't like the bitch. Like, I just was. Like, it didn't. This is supposed to be played. It's supposed to be cool. It's supposed to be. It just felt like it was too very. This. Like, say this, say this, say this.

[Host 3]

Say it like this. Like, punchy almost.

[Host 2]

Yeah. I just didn't feel like. I just didn't believe what she was saying in it. Now, we all know Cardi's successful and, you know she's rich and, you know, she's doing her thing. Like, there's no. We get that part. But it was just something about the song that when we heard the sample was coming, I'm like, okay, cool. Like, you know, legendary, classic record. Not a lot of people touch that record if anybody has ever done it. So I was looking forward to that. But then when we got it, I didn't. I didn't like, walk away from the video feeling like, damn. Like, Cardi went up another. She went up a level with this one.

[Host 3]

I mean, but, you know, delivery. Not coach per se, but she is. And I don't mean this in a bad way. It is very much like she's reading off the paper, but that's her style. Like, yeah, but I don't think that's worked with her.

[Host 2]

I'm not saying that's not even.

[Host 3]

Like, I don't have lines. Like, I like those balenciagas, the ones that look like socks. Like, but that's the. I think that's why People like it because she delivers it that way.

[Host 2]

But you can't do that over this sample, because that's not what she said.

[Host 3]

I mean, the point of it is.

[Host 2]

That'S not what this sample was. This was very cool, very laid back, very, you know, play. This was like, Jay was really styling this whole record in a cool way. He wasn't. You know, it wasn't too much aggression. It wasn't, you know, like, you believe what Jay was saying, but.

[Host 3]

So you think she should have completely redid imaginary players, like, not put her own twist on it?

[Host 2]

No, she could, and she. She did. She put her twist on it. But I'm just saying that. I just feel like, you know, just hearing it again, say, I didn't know who Cardi was. This is the first time we hearing this.

[Host 3]

This.

[Host 2]

This. This. This artist. Like, I would be like, yo, but why does she sound like that? Like, why does it sound like she's punching in every line? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it didn't. It didn't. It didn't. Just didn't feel authentic to me. It felt like, who told you to say that? Like, that's how it felt to me. Like, yo, who told you to say that? Yeah, because when you. Even if. And that's the thing that people don't. And I could be totally wrong. You know what I'm saying? I'm open to being wrong. Cardi may have written this herself. She may not have no writers in the studio when she did this recording.

[Host 1]

Well, that's what it says on the credits. And in the past, when Cardi has had assistance with writing, she's had those writers credited on songs. This one, she's.

[Host 2]

So even if she did say she wrote this, right, you can't read it. Learn the lines. Like, live with the. Live. Live with the actual record. So where you're not. It doesn't feel like I'm reading this as I'm rapping this, because if you're rapping it, you can't be. It's a fine line between rapping and reading. Just the way you say certain. Certain words. The way when you jump off of a word to get into the next word, it's. You know, it's a style. It's a. It just has to flow a little more seamlessly. And I feel like this was very. Like, it was very staccato. It was very nice.

[Host 1]

So I understand. I understand exactly what you're saying. I think the reason why that is. I don't think it has anything to do with reading. I think it's because of Cardi's accent. I think recording songs is a little bit harder for her because I think what she's trying to do is make sure y' all understand her because she's been criticized in the past for her pronunciation not being that great. And I think that's why it sounds like she's reading it or saying it so hard. Cause she's trying to make it like she's trying to make y' all hear it.

[Host 3]

Yeah, she over enunciates. Yeah, purposely. That's why I think it's been her style. Like, I hear you. It definitely does sound, but I feel like that's always kind of even Bodak Yellow to some degree felt that. I felt like that became her style, which is. She's the only rapper that I can think of that gets away with that and makes it a style. Cuz I should. We've been in the studio rappers and I've. That's the number one thing I say. Yo, it sounds like you're reading off your phone right now. So you're not rapping. It sounds like you're reading it. Like you could tell the difference. But I think Cardi has made that her. Her style. Like, that is kind of her.

[Host 2]

Nah. Cause I've heard Cardi's songs where it didn't sound like that. You know what I'm saying? So it's like. Or at least it wasn't as in your face. You know what I'm saying? Like, obviously, you know, she has an accent. That doesn't mean nothing to me. I'm from the same place. I hear that. To me, that's just how people talk where I'm from. You know what I'm saying? It's not even. I don't consider that an accent. Like, when people in LA be like, you got a New York accent. I'm like, what the fuck is that? Like, I just talk.

[Host 3]

Well, the funniest thing is when people from LA tell you they don't have an accent.

[Host 1]

Oh my God.

[Host 2]

Oh, yeah. But that's a whole nother thing. So Cardi's accent is not like I'm from the Bronx, you know what I'm saying? That's so. That is not anything to me. Like, I. I understand that, but it's still the words. Just didn't. You know, Again, she did a good job with the, with the flip, like the sample. Like, not mad at that, but I just wasn't in love with it. Like, I was. I thought this was Going to take, you know, the Cardi shit up another level. Like, she's gonna look great every time we see her. So visually, everything is on point. You know what I'm saying? We don't ever have to worry about that with Cardi. She's gonna always look good anytime we see her. Like, we get that part. I'm more so on just the music side. I'm a consumer of music, so I'm just listening to the music, and it was cool. I'm not in love with it, but I also don't hate it. I don't hate it, but I'm not in love with it. I'm just like, okay, that was cool.

[Host 3]

Do we think September 19th, right? Do we think we'll get another single? And I correct me if I'm wrong, if she's announced something that I don't know about. Do we think we'll get another single before the album is one month away? I'm on the side that we're gonna get another one. I think they're obviously gonna work this record, but I think Week of. Yeah, I can. I can see Week of for. For a video.

[Host 2]

Another single. Yeah, I think. No, I think this is the one they was. This was it.

[Host 1]

I don't. I don't think so. And the reason why I don't think so is because this isn't. It's not a commercial enough song for it to be a Cardi's, like, if. For it to be the one that they're leaning on.

[Host 3]

I mean, neither was Bodak.

[Host 1]

How many singles actually was an accident? You said what?

[Host 2]

How many singles has she given us.

[Host 1]

Already from this album?

[Host 3]

Just Outside.

[Host 1]

Yeah, just Outside. This would be the second.

[Host 3]

I mean, if you. If you count whopping up, if it's stuck. But yeah, I mean, technically, Outside. Unless they're the only two.

[Host 1]

And Outside.

[Host 2]

So y' all think a third one is coming out?

[Host 1]

Leaked? I think the only reason why they put Outside out is because it got leaked. Outside didn't even have a video.

[Host 2]

But it was going to be a single. That was definitely going to be a single. Probably 100% that was going to be a single.

[Host 3]

But I.

[Host 2]

Outside, I think we get one more. They don't get more single than your song being called Outside, I think because.

[Host 3]

We got two singles that are just Cardi, which I appreciate when I say that type of. I think we're going to get another single with a big feature. A big feature. Who that is? I don't know, but I. That's what I think. I I can't see them just having two Cardi singles as is and not putting out one with a big feature before the album.

[Host 2]

Who you think the feature will be? I don't know.

[Host 3]

It's a good question.

[Host 2]

Who does Cardi got beef with? Who does she. Not for. I don't know. The girls beef like that.

[Host 3]

Just Nikki, from my understanding.

[Host 2]

Yeah, that's it. So she cool with Lotto?

[Host 1]

Yeah, she was just like.

[Host 3]

They got a couple records together.

[Host 2]

Still cool with Meg. Right.

[Host 3]

But I don't think they'll go to Meg Cardi. They did that with Bongos again and not say it didn't work.

[Host 2]

But what about.

[Host 3]

I don't know.

[Host 2]

Do you?

[Host 1]

I don't think it'll be a girl.

[Host 3]

Yeah, I don't think it'll be a.

[Host 1]

Girl either, unless it's a R B singer.

[Host 2]

So who would it be? Like a Gunner or somebody like that?

[Host 3]

Nah, I. I would think. I mean, I know she has a record with Scissor already, but I could see, like, a Scissor or something like that.

[Host 1]

She had a couple records with Scissor.

[Host 2]

Chris.

[Host 1]

Chris Kaylani.

[Host 2]

Peach said Jack Harlow.

[Host 3]

First of all, that Jack Harlow and Doja record is Fire, and it is. I don't know why we all skipped over that record. That record is dope.

[Host 2]

Which record was that?

[Host 3]

It was his last single with Doja. They're all in Scott Lake and Drama at the bar in the video.

[Host 2]

I like that joint.

[Host 3]

Yeah. Dojo went crazy on that. I don't know. I. I want to hear Donut Pack.

[Host 2]

Maybe Bad Bunny.

[Host 3]

I can see a Bad Bunny Cardi record, because with J. Balvin's on the last one.

[Host 1]

They're together.

[Host 3]

Oh, yeah. They're both on there.

[Host 1]

Yeah, they're both on it.

[Host 2]

Bad Bunny was on there, too.

[Host 3]

Yeah. I mean, I'm.

[Host 2]

Who would you like to see Cardi do a record with Doja?

[Host 3]

Yeah. I think earned Doja. I can also very much see Dochi being on this Cardi album for sure. I don't think. I don't think it'd be a single necessarily. But as far as girl rap be.

[Host 2]

A single, you're not gonna have a Dochi verse and not be a single.

[Host 1]

Last album, I was about to say, she had all types of verses.

[Host 3]

They weren't single.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Yeah. But they didn't know what that album was going to do back then, though. Nobody knew what that. Are y' all kidding me?

[Host 3]

It was like, three number one records before it came out.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 3]

I think they knew Atlantic, but I don't know. Maybe Ice Spice.

[Host 2]

Well, I'm not mad about that.

[Host 3]

We didn't get to this last week. Damaris had tweeted out that Tyler was supposed to be Rihanna, and Mall agreed with her. I never said no. There's been a lot. Why has Tyler been in the news this much lately? I saw Cardi was defending her. She's just been the conversation. I haven't really understood why.

[Host 1]

So what I'm assuming. I can only assume is that. So Tyler released, like, a little, you know, low EP with a single or two, and it's not receiving. It's. It's. It's the Cardi syndrome. It's not hitting like water. So because it's not hitting like water, people are saying that it's feeling right.

[Host 2]

Did you just call it the Cardi syndrome?

[Host 1]

The same thing you said. Like, if you. If you do so well on your first drop, anything you do after is never. She's never gonna be able to match water. Like, it's a fucking culture.

[Host 2]

That didn't even go number one, did it?

[Host 1]

It didn't, but it's. It's more of the how big the song was. And you guys were very surprised to hear it didn't go number one.

[Host 2]

Yeah. You know, so it definitely felt like a number one.

[Host 1]

I think that. I think the issue. People. And what people on the Internet are saying the issue is, oh, well, because she said she wasn't black, she was. Well, she didn't say she wasn't black because she said she was colored, in which are South African terms. Because she said she was colored, the black community stopped supporting her. And I'm like, that's not why her EP wasn't as successful as her last album. Like, that has not. Like, I don't know why people think that. They're like, yeah, you need the background of the black community to get big. And I'm like, it's not. That's not what's going on.

[Host 2]

To be fair, I. I think the EP didn't do good. I didn't even know she put a EP out.

[Host 1]

And that's what I think it is. I don't think it has anything to do.

[Host 2]

The music is probably great. The EP is probably great. I just didn't even know she put an EP out.

[Host 3]

All right. Yeah, I see the ep, wwp, which. Apologies, I'm not sure what that. That means, but. Four pack, first record with Wizkid. What? What, man?

[Host 2]

Europe. You said wwp. I don't know what that stands for. Peach. Peach said what he think it stands for?

[Host 3]

What does he think it stands for?

[Host 2]

I'm not repeating it. I'm not even.

[Host 1]

It stands for we want to party.

[Host 3]

Okay, Gotcha.

[Host 2]

Okay. That was a little Peach was close. Wet. Wet. That's what he said.

[Host 3]

It was like the time when Chief Keef put out his first album and somebody. I think it was a Breakfast Club. Somebody asked him like, so why'd you go with the name Finally Rich? He was like, I don't know. I seen like, everybody was saying Finally Famous. And I was like, yo, I'm. I'm Finally Rich.

[Host 2]

That checks out. That makes sense.

[Host 3]

You said it was only Big Sean named his album Finally Famous. So Chief Geek just stumbled upon, like, the biggest. She was like, oh, you. I finally rip. I'm Finally Rich.

[Host 2]

There you go. Yeah.

[Host 3]

So Tyler saw Wap. Wet Ass and was just like, well, this is wet. Wet.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 3]

All right, Gotcha.

[Host 2]

Double up on the wet.

[Host 3]

Same thing. It's her. Finally Rich.

[Host 2]

That's her. Finally Rich.

[Host 3]

But why do you guys think this isn't working? And I want my flowers. It's okay if you guys want to, you know, give them to me later. You know, she's in fact, not Rihanna the way you guys said she was. But anyway, I like Tyler, but this, I mean, I feel like water was pretty organic to start. And then they obviously worked the record and you couldn't escape it because it's a generational song. But I don't know. Do they not know how to actually work a Tyler album?

[Host 2]

Who is she signed to?

[Host 3]

She is signed to.

[Host 1]

We'll put that up.

[Host 3]

Epic Records.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Host 1]

Yeah, I didn't see any. The only promotion I saw from it was Twitter saying that it did terrible. I saw no promotion.

[Host 2]

I had no idea this came out. This was July.

[Host 3]

July 25th.

[Host 2]

Yeah, I had no idea. Like, I had no idea she put out an EP out in July.

[Host 1]

It's. It's giving Blame the team. Whoever the team is, it's giving Blame the Team.

[Host 2]

But even if, I mean, true, somebody obviously on that side didn't do enough to get it, you know, where it needed to be. But I mean, this is still, like, Tyler's a. She's. Her name is big. She's a. She's a huge, huge artist.

[Host 1]

Like, people know her anything anymore. Unless you have like a seven year fan base that doesn't mean anything anymore. Well, your name, as far as selling records and being a year big, it doesn't. That doesn't mean anything when it comes to.

[Host 2]

But even if you don't Even if you don't stream. Well, even if you don't. I'm just saying for Tyler to have an EP out and most people not know she has an EP out, that's a problem. Yeah. Not even. Not saying people would download it because they know it's out and people would stream it. I'm not saying that, but people should know she has an EP out.

[Host 1]

Agreed.

[Host 2]

I mean, I think if you have the success she's had with in the last couple years, I mean, how could you not know that that artist is putting the EP out? I just. Something is not. Something is off there.

[Host 3]

I mean, is. It has 23 million streams on Spotify, so I don't know, like, what if that's based off more playlisting or anything? But that's not, like, terrible.

[Host 2]

Yeah, no, that's. She. But I'm just saying people. I just don't. I. You didn't know she put an EP out.

[Host 3]

No.

[Host 2]

You are. You are actively putting out music. Like, you. Somebody that knows when music is coming out. That's what I'm saying. People like that should not be oblivious to the fact that Tyler has an EP up. Like, something is. Something is awkward there. Like, something's like, why don't people know that Tyler has an EP up?

[Host 3]

I mean, I don't want to get personal, but when we were having that conversation of the Rihanna versus her and her having, like, remnants of Rihanna's early career with a big record and, you know, international and coming to the States to break the record, there's always that it factor too. And I'm not saying Tyler doesn't have it, because I promise I really don't pay enough attention to her outside of the music to know that. But that is a thing that matters, like, a lot. Is that it factor that Rihanna has that personality, like, that identity is that can separate you from having just incredible music and also being a pop superstar.

[Host 1]

But also, I wouldn't ask someone who was around from the beginning of Rihanna's career, like, I was in it. That was the target audience.

[Host 3]

It took some time.

[Host 1]

Yeah. So I'm saying I'm like, that. I don't even think that matters because Rihanna's personality of Rihanna didn't come around.

[Host 3]

Rihanna.

[Host 1]

Rihanna didn't come around until around that third album.

[Host 3]

So Ray Lars, when it, like.

[Host 1]

Yeah, I was gonna say, like, that third album when we got, like, bad Gal read that that's when she become that otherwise she was just the cute girl from Barbados.

[Host 3]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

But even.

[Host 3]

I mean, outside of the. The Obvious with the Chris Brown incident with the Grammys. There was still. You got to know her a bit more when she started dating Chris.

[Host 1]

Okay. Yes.

[Host 3]

So I don't know. I just feel like Tyler doesn't have that part. And I'm not. I'm not on some time like, she's Ice, Spice or the. I don't think the clock is on for Tyler at all. Like, I think she's going to have a long career. She's super talented. But that part, to me is missing as a casual consumer. Like, as the person that's just like, oh, when's the next Tyler album coming out? All right, cool. I don't know enough about her. Okay. Like, even. I was not even mad. I know a lot of people got mad at Charlemagne when he. When he asked, like, the questions that Epic told him not to ask with the color. Colorism and everything. And, you know, she was looking at her team and the team was like, don't do that. Move on. I don't know. I feel like that stuff is also important to, like, get to know this person, to have some type of identity outside of just being an amazing songwriter. Like, yeah, but who are. Who are you?

[Host 1]

I don't blame her team for being scared when it comes to giving up too much of who their artist is, because you can be a personality. A personality, A personality. And you say the wrong thing and motherfuckers will cancel you. And it's a sensitive climate. So I don't blame them for being protective of Shut. Be cute and shut the fuck up. But I do agree, in this same climate, you can't just be.

[Host 2]

But that's more.

[Host 3]

Lean into. All right, Maybe prep her better. This is where, like, artist development used to come in. And, I mean, you know, it's breaking the fourth wall. A bit of where they would prep artists to say the right thing. And I'm not saying media training. Yeah. But still lean into it. Like, having an opinion. Teach us. Like, I don't think we should be telling Tyler about her culture. Tell us. Don't avoid the question. Tell us about it. Am I crazy for thinking that?

[Host 1]

Yeah, you.

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If.

[Host 1]

If you were talking about anything else. Yes. But when it comes to race relations in America, we real sensitive about that shit.

[Host 3]

Real sensitive, obviously. But.

[Host 1]

So I don't. I don't think.

[Host 3]

I'm not saying she should come in here and offend people and be like, elon is my cousin. Y' all aren't like. I'm just like, I. Only Trevor Noah is the only one I identify with. I'm just saying that's a culture that she would know better than us. And I think media training can teach you the best way to tell the world about your experiences.

[Host 2]

That's.

[Host 3]

That's. So. I just. I think that's a disconnect because even with, like, Rihanna, when, you know, early in her career she was heavy leaning into the Beijing stuff because obviously she was from Barbados, but started to get more of an American identity and herself as it went on, but that's because they let Rihanna do that. Like, they let her have a vision of what. Who she should be and what she wants to do.

[Host 2]

Ma, what do you think about Tyler?

[Host 1]

About just the conversation in general or where. Where things may have gone wrong?

[Host 2]

I don't know. I just think that it's. It's still early for her. I think it's still early for Tyler. She's. She's young. I think she has a lot of opportunity left. I think that they're still trying to figure out her sound a little bit. I think this is still like a kind of like a figuring it out stage for her. She may be going through artist development in real time. Yeah, like, artists don't. Artist development is not even a thing no more. It's like you get a record, it goes viral, label gives you a deal, put a project out, maybe get a second project out. You know what I mean? But it's like, I think Tyler, they see that she's. She can be a long career artist, and I think they're just trying to figure out her sound and things like that. Trying different things, I think. Yep, four songs. I think, you know, it's kind of like spoon feed them, like, just see if this works, see if that works. I think she may just be going through artist development in real time. I think they may be developing her in front of our eyes, like, and then trying to figure it out. But I think she's talented. I think she has a cool personality. I think she has a likable personality. I think people will naturally like her. I just think that she's just going through artist development in real time. I don't think that this is like any knock on her talent.

[Host 3]

Oh, not at all.

[Host 2]

I think that they're trying to figure it out.

[Host 3]

She's dope. And again, she's also 23, so she doesn't really have an identity yet.

[Host 2]

Yeah, so no, they're trying to figure it out. They're trying to figure her out.

[Host 3]

If she had no talent, I would be like, all right, clock is on. If it's not connecting now. And this was something that was put together just because you're pretty. Yeah, I would say Clock is on.

[Host 1]

She's very pretty. She's very talented. Like, I think she has. I think she does have.

[Host 2]

She's a star.

[Host 1]

Yeah, she's a star.

[Host 2]

She's a definite star. I think the music and her sound just have to catch up to her star quality. She's a star. Like, I think if any exec is sitting in the office and they see her and they hear water and hear these records, they're like, oh, no, we can definitely. She's a star. We just have to get, you know, the music to a certain level, get her comfortable with certain producers and things like that.

[Host 1]

I don't even want to say that because her. Her first album, and that's what my tweet originally was. Tyler's first album is good. Not like you just hear it once and it's like, oh, this is cute little music. Like, I put. I put on Tyler's first album and, like, listen to it. Like, the lyrics are good, the production is good. Like, it's a really, really good album. So that's why I was so surprised that this one didn't do as well. To be fair, I've only heard maybe two out of the four songs. And again, it's an ep. It doesn't get the same.

[Host 2]

What is that Features, like, what's her like. Does she do records with, like, a lot of artists.

[Host 3]

On others? Yeah, not that much. I mean, I didn't particularly love, like. And I know it's gonna look like more Travis Scott hate, and I promise it's not like I didn't like that they put Travis on the Water remix. Yeah, that was weird. I like the On My Body record with Becky G. I thought that made sense. Gonna. I get Thames, obviously, I get she.

[Host 1]

That Tim's one is my.

[Host 3]

Yeah, number one.

[Host 1]

That's just fire song.

[Host 3]

But yeah, you're right, she hasn't really featured on a lot of. Like, I'd rather hear her on a gunna album than gonna. On her. Like, I think that would help with.

[Host 2]

Oh, yeah.

[Host 3]

Yeah. Her visibility and her new fans and just being more in the mix. So I'm. I'm with you. I think that would definitely be the case, but I don't know when was the last time they. The quote unquote industry has broken a black pop act.

[Host 1]

Yeah, exactly.

[Host 3]

Because that's really the question that I. When was the last. Obviously we have the legacies who are the ones but that's been, like, kind of, I don't know, absent for how many years? Like, when was the last new black pop act, especially female, that did well?

[Host 1]

Because. Yeah, because remember, Chloe had her moment when we thought she would be the one, and that didn't go the way it needed to. Yeah. I can't even. Peach are looking. Peach is looking it up right now.

[Host 3]

Because, I mean, even. All right. Normani. Normani is incredible. That record with Chris Brown. Forgive me for forgetting the name. I mean, I don't know what the disconnect is with Normani.

[Host 1]

The one.

[Host 3]

She's gorgeous. She makes great music. I don't get it. They give her the opportunities as well. Like, it's not like she doesn't get the looks. Who's our girl at Sony? Tinashe has gotten every look and talented. I don't know what the full disconnect.

[Host 2]

Tinashe's dope. Like, her music is good. Like, she. I think she's talented. I just don't to what Rory's saying. I don't know what the disconnect is there, though. Like, I don't know why people or more people don't support or talk about Tinashe. I think she's talented.

[Host 1]

I think because pop music is centered. Pop music for the longest has been centered toward the young teenage white girls. And young teenage white girls don't support and push as heavy for someone. They don't. They can't, like, see themselves in. Yeah, so it's not about the talent. It's about the people who make pop music move. If they. They don't identify with you, they don't look at you and see themselves as you. Taylor Swift is so popular not because her music is the greatest. It's because every dorky white girl looks at her and says, like, she reminds me of me. She's writing about this boy that she loves, and I just won't love her back. She reminds me of me. That's why she's as big as she is, because she's so relatable to the masses. And if you want to be big in pop, you have to be relatable to the masses. And a very beautiful black girl is not. That's my opinion on it.

[Host 3]

All the bigger acts, like, if you go sza, Victoria, Monet, like, all. They're all crossover R B that goes into pop, which is strange, because straight pop music does not work with black female artists. I'm sorry, not female. Now I say that Black women artists.

[Host 1]

Black female artists.

[Host 3]

It's okay that's okay. That's all right.

[Host 2]

You know, we want to know what.

[Host 3]

Apples you want to say Urban acts gotta say black. Yeah, that's what. When labels say urban, that's what they're actually saying. But then traditional R B doesn't work either. It's only really. I feel like that middle ground that works in 2025 with Black artists. When was the last time there was just a straight pop act that was broke, that didn't cross over? Because to me, Taylor Swift is a crossover with country and pop. Like, when was last time a straight. Like Destiny's Child came out? And of course, they were R B to the core. Don't get me wrong. But that was a pop girl group. Beyonce, again, crossover, but that was pop. When was the last time that's even happened with. With white artists?

[Host 2]

Sabrina Carpenter.

[Host 3]

Sabrina had to put out 15 albums that weren't pop before that happened. Straight pop music isn't like a thing, per se, anymore.

[Host 1]

Yeah. Charlie Xco or whatever the she is.

[Host 3]

Who's Dave Chappelle's sister? Chappelle. What's her name?

[Host 1]

Chapel Rome.

[Host 3]

Chapel Rome.

[Host 1]

Dave Chappelle's sister is funny, as.

[Host 2]

For some reason I was about to say, if Dave Chappelle sister makes music, that's the most incredible secret I've ever. Because I had no idea.

[Host 3]

I guess that's straight pop, I suppose, but. Yeah, I don't know. Like Sam Smith, but even though that's. That's sort of rooted in R B at the end of the day. But that was a straight pop act.

[Host 1]

Is R B. Ariana Grande just makes more R B than she does pop.

[Host 3]

That's crossover.

[Host 1]

Crossover. But she's not a straight pop artist.

[Host 2]

She's like a Disney kid, isn't she? They don't get more pop.

[Host 1]

Tate McCray. Yeah. Tate McCray's the last. I think she might have been the last one that popped off.

[Host 3]

I don't know, man. I just feel like trying to break pop acts is not the move anymore. Make good music and find someone that has a personality and wing it.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

I think that Tyler, like you think.

[Host 3]

Like when Teddy Swims made Losing Control. That's been on Billboard for, I don't know, since I was. Since 1990. So that. Since I was born, I think. I doubt they went in there trying to make a pop record. And he's not what you would call the pop vision of what he looks like jelly rolls now.

[Host 2]

Pop jelly rolls. A wrestler now. It's the most incredible crossover we've ever seen.

[Host 3]

Taylor can sell out MetLife, but can she do a suplex?

[Host 2]

No, she cannot do what Jelly Roll did at SummerSlam. Absolutely not.

[Host 3]

Yeah. I don't know. The lines are too blurred now to even think about trying to break a pop act.

[Host 2]

We got to bring back the. The shows, man. We don't have more mtv, Real World. We need those shows back. I think pop music was better with TRL and all of these shows. Like, you need those, man. Need those.

[Host 3]

I mean, we need alternative rock back.

[Host 2]

We do.

[Host 3]

This is the story of a girl drowning river and crowd the world. She looks so sad in photographs.

[Host 2]

That was my shit right there.

[Host 3]

Absolutely loved her.

[Host 1]

I think Tyler will be good just to close this off. I think she'll be good if she doesn't try to aim for America's approval. I know.

[Host 3]

That was my point of saying, be yourself. Like, I think, tell Charlemagne, answer Charlemagne's questions. Don't cater to America.

[Host 1]

No, I wasn't even talking about that. I'm just about as far as, like, what your music career, period. Like, other countries are more loyal than we are. We like Bubblegum, the one she's from. Yeah, we like bubblegum music now. Like in Bubblegum artists, they're loyal to.

[Host 3]

A lot of things. Nelson Mandela would like a word.

[Host 2]

Absolutely.

[Host 3]

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[Host 2]

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