Checking In With Ghostface Killah (Presented by Boost Mobile and Mass Appeal)

Summary

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New Rory & MAL: Checking In With Ghostface Killah

Podcast: New Rory & MAL
Date: December 18, 2025
Episode: Checking In With Ghostface Killah
Recorded live at the Mass Appeal Pop-Up on Canal

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Episode Overview

This episode is a lively, in-depth conversation between Rory, Mal, and the legendary Wu-Tang Clan member Ghostface Killah. Set at the Mass Appeal pop-up in New York, the discussion traverses Ghostface’s career, the influence of his style and music, his creative processes, and personal stories that shaped his artistry. The episode is both nostalgic and humorous, full of candid reflections on legacy, fashion, hip-hop culture, and even soul music. Fans get rare insights into Ghost’s creative decision-making, collaborations, and profound love of old-school R&B.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Cultural Impact & Style Origins

• Wallabies and Fashion Influence

  • Ghostface speaks on wallabies as an iconic New York staple. He reveals the brand never gave him a fair deal, despite his influence skyrocketing their sales. He recalls:

    "They was trying to, you know, treat me like a crackhead. So it’s like it just didn’t work." (05:03, Ghostface Killah)

  • Wallabies' popularity in New York originated with Jamaicans in the 1980s.

    • “The Jamaicans was going crazy...85, 86. Sharkskin, big truck jewelry, wallabies.” (05:47, Ghostface Killah)

2. The Mass Appeal & Legacy Series Collaboration

• How the Deal Happened

  • Explains persistence from Peter (Mass Appeal) and emphasizes the importance of timing and his friendship with Nas:

    "God is the master of all time...it’s never on my time, it’s on his time." (07:37, Ghostface Killah)
    "Nas, first of all, is my favorite rapper. That’s my brother." (08:05, Ghostface Killah)

  • Details about negotiating albums “Set the Tone” and “Supreme Clientele 2.”

3. Creative Process & Making "Supreme Clientele 2"

• Pressure for Sequels

  • Ghostface and hosts discuss the curse/blessing of sequels:

    "I just had to be careful, you know what I’m saying?...I’m not really into part twos." (09:22, Ghostface Killah)

• Beat Selection & Legacy Studio Stories

  • Admits few modern producers capture the original vibe he seeks; many only send generic trap beats.
  • Reveals several tracks on the album are 15-20 years old, pulled from his vault.
    • "I got songs there from 20 years ago." (10:55, Ghostface Killah)
    • "Some of these joints Ghost recorded a few years ago." (11:02, Mal)

• Intentional Vault Practices

  "By the time it comes, you pull it back out and see if it fit." (11:58, Ghostface Killah)

4. The "Pause" Phenomenon and Street Linguistics

• Humorous conversation about the origination of the “pause” phrase, with Mall revealing his brother invented it. Ghostface finds the trend has gone too far and reflects on old-school prison lingo vs. contemporary street jokes (12:22–15:01).

  "It’s going too far, I think...We can’t even talk no more." (13:12–13:17, Ghostface Killah)

5. Stories from the Vault

• Lost Material and Iconic Tracks

  • Mall asks about the song "Winter Wars" missing from streaming platforms—Ghost isn't sure but suggests RZA would know (17:42).
  • Ghost admits he rarely listens to his old albums due to creative regrets, especially around rushed projects (18:16–18:58).

• Writing Process & Emotional Lyrical Content

  • Discusses how reflective storytelling comes from the beat itself:

    "Sometimes the beat speaks to you. It speaks...and it made me just pour my life out on that." (31:22, Ghostface Killah)

  • Shares vulnerability about writing “All That I Got Is You”:

    "Sometimes it can make me sad...I got people from all over...they can relate." (31:53, Ghostface Killah)

6. Wu-Tang, Influence, and Legacy

• Wu-Tang's Influence

  • Hosts struggle to name Wu-Tang’s “children” in hip-hop, highlighting the group’s uniqueness. They compare Wu’s hard-to-replicate style to others with clearer protégés.

  • Ghostface agrees Griselda might be closest in spirit but emphasizes the challenge of coordinating the Wu’s nine personalities:

    "It’s hard to get on the same page. It's hard, bro." (26:01, Ghostface Killah)

• The Infamous RZA Flood

  • Talks about the infamous flood at RZA’s studio, which wiped out many classic beats and material:

    "To get to the next level, a lot of times you got to go through hell or come out right...You gotta have a loss or something." (26:15, Ghostface Killah)

7. Legendary Stories & Memorable Appearances

• Delphonics & Studio Shootout

  • Relays legendary tale of the Delphonics being caught in a shootout and still recording (27:23–28:43):

    “They got to be cool...I felt bad, yo, man, you done these old men...But they was like, nah, don’t worry about that, man.” (27:29, Ghostface Killah)

• Slick Rick’s Jewelry and the Beyonce Garden Show

  • Returns to the "Fade to Black" show moment where Slick Rick loaded him up with jewelry before Ghost performed with Beyoncé, leading to one of his greatest solo performance memories (41:01–44:07):

    "He just started throwing them shits on me...I just got heavier and heavier." (42:32, Ghostface Killah)
    "I was scared. I was tremendously scared just to go up on that stage." (47:39, Ghostface Killah)

8. Collabs, Unreleased Tracks, and R&B Love

• Unreleased and Sampled Tracks

  • Bulletproof Wallets suffered from sample clearance, losing three major songs, including one with Slick Rick (39:34–40:41).

• R&B, Soul, and Favorite Samples

  • Ghostface discusses his upbringing and everlasting love for soul music, and how it deeply influences his music:

    "Music makes me see." (20:55, Ghostface Killah)

  • Names acts like Jackson 5, Curtis Mayfield, New Birth, and talks about wanting to sample Stevie Wonder and more classic 70s tracks (51:32–52:38).

  • Emphasizes R&B and real instruments’ emotional power over today’s digital sound:

    "Back then, you had to play them instruments. You could feel the sweat dripping off the instruments." (55:08, Ghostface Killah)

• Modern R&B and Future Collabs

  • Expresses excitement at possibly working with Leon Thomas, Ty Dolla $ign, and Lauryn Hill (56:12–57:35).

    "I want to work with him. Lauryn Hill. Work with Lauryn too." (57:28, Ghostface Killah)

9. Additional Audience Q&A

• Eagle Bracelet Story

  • Confirms he still has the iconic eagle bracelet, designed by Jason from Beverly Hills, who also does NBA and Super Bowl rings (50:08–51:09).

• Favorite Song

  • Can’t pick just one ("You got Jackson 5, Curtis Mayfield, New Birth…”), but his love for classic soul shines through (52:10-52:46).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “They was trying to…treat me like a crackhead. It just didn’t work.” (05:03, Ghostface Killah, re: Wallabies)
• “God is the master of all time. It’s never on my time, it’s on his time.” (07:37, Ghostface Killah)
• “I’m like a Scorsese, you know what I mean? …I write like that, to where it’s like a movie.” (20:11, Ghostface Killah)
• “Sometimes the beat speaks to you… it made me just pour my life out… Sometimes it can make me sad.” (31:22–31:55, Ghostface Killah)
• “Back then, you had to play them instruments. You could feel the sweat dripping off the instruments.” (55:08, Ghostface Killah)

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Key Timestamps

• 03:01 – Show kicks off, live audience, Mass Appeal Pop-Up
• 05:03 – Wallabies and the (lack of) brand partnership
• 07:37 – How the Mass Appeal/Nas collaboration started
• 09:22 – Sequels, being careful with “Supreme Clientele 2”
• 10:55 – Ghost on using old unreleased tracks
• 13:12–15:01 – "Pause" origin and language evolution
• 17:42 – “Winter Wars” missing from DSPs
• 26:01 – The challenge of organizing Wu-Tang
• 26:15 – The legendary RZA flood
• 27:29 – Delphonics shootout studio story
• 31:22 – The making of “All That I Got Is You”
• 41:01–44:07 – Slick Rick’s jewelry and the Beyoncé show
• 51:32–52:38 – Favorite songs/samples and soul roots
• 56:12–57:35 – Prospects of working with Leon Thomas, Ty Dolla $ign, Lauryn Hill

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Closing Thoughts

This episode is a must-listen for hip-hop heads and Ghostface fans alike. Between Ghost’s candor, colorful stories, and genuine love for music and culture, listeners get a heartfelt portrait of an artist both steeped in—and loyal to—the roots of his craft. His humor, wisdom, and openness about struggle and legacy provide a rich, poignant journey through the mind and memory of an icon.

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[Ghostface Killah]

The volume, no worry. And now 121212. Damn right.

[Rory]

Wait, is that. We're really starting with a live studio of everybody doing the fake clap.

[Mall]

Welcome to a special special episode of new Rory and Mall podcast. I am Maul.

[Rory]

I'm Rory and Rory.

[Mall]

Today we are at the Mass Appeal Pop up.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mall]

In on Canal.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah.

[Mall]

If you want to get a Gucci bag for your girl.

[Rory]

Oh, you know for sure, Christmas around the corner, that's exactly where I'm going.

[Mall]

Yeah. But today we are joined by a special special guest. Yes, this is special to me because this is probably his. His first album is one of the albums.

[Ghostface Killah]

Rory.

[Mall]

That I saved my allowance to go to the Wiz on fordham Road in 96. So you wasn't even coming outside.

[Rory]

I know, but see the difference is with our age gap. It was the same way with me, with in 2000 with Supreme Clientele. I was the same way. We're 10 years apart. And this gentleman had the same effect to both of us with a 10 year age gap.

[Mall]

Yes. Today we are joined by the legendary Tony Starks, Iron Man, Pretty Tony the Wallaby Champ, Ghostface.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yes. Yeah.

[Rory]

The reason outside of his ra. The reason why every single person that went to Catholic school in New York City wore wallabies.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Because that was the only shoe they allowed the wallabies.

[Mall]

It's a performative shoe.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, right.

[Rory]

You could dress it in, you could.

[Mall]

Dress it up, you could fight, you could run from police. You can do everything in a wallaby.

[Ghostface Killah]

Right, right. Yeah, you just. They just. The soul just runs down a lot. I told them, I told him about that. Like, you know what I mean? I say, yo, you got to change, put a little a tap or something under the soul. Because that gum, you know, I mean, while he's out inside, I mean, signed with the messed up soul.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

But somebody got a hand.

[Rory]

But you know what?

[Ghostface Killah]

And they started making it messed up though, not to cut you off because they started getting made in Taiwan.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah. And that. It, it wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't the same.

[Mall]

Did wallabies ever approach you early on about a. A partnership? Cuz, I mean you were the reason why everybody in the hood started, man.

[Ghostface Killah]

Listen, man. Days blowing smoke, they fronted on me, you know what I mean? So we, we met. We met yeah, but it was like, you know, they was trying to, you know, treat me like a crackhead. So it's like it just didn't work. You know what I mean?

[Rory]

Like.

[Ghostface Killah]

But when I was doing it, like, I do things just to do it, because that's what I saw myself in. Like, when I was dying, them doing all this shit like that or whatever, I just did that to do it. And then I guess they caught wind and sink. The sales just skyrocketed. They reached out, but it was like, yo, they came in from England, you know what I mean? And, yeah, it mounted. It ain't going nowhere.

[Rory]

What drew you to that style, though? Like, when's the first time you saw a wallaby in Staten Island?

[Ghostface Killah]

When the Jamaicans was going crazy, they was like, what was that? That was probably like, 86. Okay, 85, 86. I saw the first pair of wallabies, and then, you know, at the. Wow. Where I'm from, they just. The Jamaicans was like. They was moving a lot of drugs out there and stuff like that, but that's all they had was, like, sharksk and big truck jury. Wallabies. You know what? I came to, like, taking a liking of them shits. And I used to come out here to Canal street and, you know, just scrape me a pair, whatever the case may be. And. Yeah, and it just. It just. You know when. Even by the time we got to the tree Link skit, that blue and cream skit, you know what I mean? It was like, yo, when I had visions of, like, dying and blowing cream, and you listen to skit. You see what I'm talking about? It was like, from there. It was on from there.

[Rory]

Yeah. I'll tell you, they're still on Van Duser. The Jamaicans and Haitians are still on Van Duzer right now. I don't know if you've been over there lately.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, they. But those are the real joints you got to get. You got to be. To make sure they made from England.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Not Taiwan, not China and all the other stuff, like. Because it's a different shoe, like.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

Materials different.

[Ghostface Killah]

Definitely.

[Mall]

So talk to us about how did the whole, you know, what everything. Mass Appeal did this year with the. With the. With the Legacy series.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah.

[Mall]

How did the first conversation happen, and what was your take on it? Were you, like, kind of, like, apprehensive about doing it, or was it like, I'm all in?

[Rory]

Yeah, it's a full NAS pitch or.

[Ghostface Killah]

For the comic book or just me being on Masterpiece, Period.

[Rory]

Masterpiece, period.

[Ghostface Killah]

Whispering it's like Peter kept. He kept reaching out, like throughout the years. This, it was like, I don't know, like six years ago, seven years ago, you know what I mean? He threw it up in the air, you know, and we kept just going back and forth. And then after a while, it was like maybe like a two year gap and he'd come back again and we talk, whatever the case may be, but it wasn't the right time. It wasn't the right time. You know, God is the master of all time, you know what I mean? So it's never on my time, it's on his time.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

You know what I mean? And that was it. So, you know, he came back again and it was like, you know what? In order for me to give you Supreme, I gotta do two albums. Cause that's why I did Set the tone. It was setting the tone for Supreme. It just didn't have that much promotion at this album. Supreme, you know what I mean? So it took a while, you know what I mean? Then I'm like, yo, Nas, first of all, that's my favorite rapper. That's my brother, you know what I mean? And he's my favorite rapper. Anyway, like, I rather do business with somebody. I could get ahead and, you know, have a relationship that I got a relationship with. Absolutely.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

You know what I mean? Cause I could look at you and be like, yo, son, this is that and this and that. You gonna either see it how we see it or not.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

You know what I mean? So I was grateful. I was grateful like just to be. To stand with him in these days and times, like, you know what I mean? It was a, A beautiful feeling. So it was dope.

[Rory]

Were. Who's the first to agree? Because that, that's what I was curious about that conversation. Like, was DEA already on board? Was Alchemist and Havoc already on board? Did they pitch it that way? Like the. This is what we're trying to do in 2025?

[Ghostface Killah]

I don't think so. I don't think. I don't think so. I think, I think they came a little bit after the comic. Because when I did, I, I with supreme, when Set the Tone came out, we already. I inked the deal for both of them. Yeah, already, like, you know what I mean? For Set the Tone and Supreme, I don't think nobody but Nas was on the label.

[Rory]

Got you. Okay.

[Ghostface Killah]

You know what I mean? They did documentaries, but I don't think nobody else was there. I'm not sure I heard about Slick Ricking them Later on.

[Rory]

Yeah. Was there any pressure calling it supreme clientele 2? Just based off the first one being.

[Ghostface Killah]

I just had to be careful, you know what I'm saying? It was like. Cause I see people do a lot of part twos same. I'm not really into part twos.

[Rory]

Neither am I.

[Mall]

That's what I mean.

[Rory]

You being one of my favorite rappers, I was nervous when I saw the title. I was like, all right, But I know that. What are we doing?

[Ghostface Killah]

Because it just depends on the. Like, the beat and the frame of mind.

[Rory]

Yeah, okay.

[Ghostface Killah]

But I don't got a bunch of yes cats around me that's gonna say yes to everything I do. And I start with me first. So, you know, and my past albums from Iron man and Supreme Fish Scale and all that. I know how to do these kind of albums.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

You know what I mean? I just give me some time and give me some beats. But what it is nowadays, you don't got people that really could get. That really makes those kind of beats that move me, like back then, you know what I mean? Like, they was just sending me trap beats and all this and this and that and the third. But it's cool. But it's not the. Yeah, yeah. This ain't the formula, right? So I try my best to stay within that formula and see where I really wanted to go. Like, what's the theme of it? What's this and that and the third? That was kind of like one of the hardest parts at first, you know what I mean? Trying to find that, you know, because the last supreme was just like. It was just magical. It was just. It was just. I think I came home from jail and. You know what I mean? And I started just getting these beats and juju and this one and that one and that. And RZA came with the skits. The Iron man skits. After that shit. It was just a vibe, you know what I mean? So it's basically a vibe. You gotta find your vibe and then you go ahead and, you know, do your shit. So I got songs there from 20 years ago.

[Mall]

We could hear some of the differences in the tone. And I think we spoke about on the show. I said it sounds like some of these joints Ghost recorded a few years ago.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, like metaphysics. You, my friend. You know, it was a couple of beats that I had from back then. I can't really go through it all right now trying to think of it. But, yeah, it might have been like a good, like four or five beats tracks back. And. Yeah, and I got Mad shit I left off the album. I had havoc and. You know what I mean, Kiss, you know what I mean? But it was just too much. You can't give a nigga like 23 songs and shit. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? I was gonna even cut it down even more and like, you know what I mean?

[Rory]

So how intentional was that, though? Because even I think it was another interview that said the meth record is from like 15 years ago or something. Like, it was intentional just to hold that.

[Ghostface Killah]

You're my friend. Yeah, yeah, I been. Did that. I've been.

[Rory]

Why'd you hold it, though, for so long?

[Ghostface Killah]

Because it seemed like I could have. For the. For this album.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

It seemed like if I was gonna do supreme, like this one might could be for that.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

You know what I mean? Like metaphysics and other things like that. So I just felt like, just keep it in the vault, do whatever, whatever, whatever. By the time it comes, you pull it back out and see if it fit.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's it.

[Mall]

I would have said pause there, but I'm kind of scared of that.

[Rory]

All right, so with the. No, no, no, no.

[Ghostface Killah]

It's like.

[Rory]

But you don't know why this is so funny, right? I'm explaining it. Because he won't.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

So the paws get on supreme clientele. Two is hilarious, right?

[Mall]

Hilarious.

[Rory]

What you may not know is that mall's older brother is the person that invented pause.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like now it's not no myth. For real. Invented pause and started this whole thing. His older brother. Yeah. So that's why that. When we. I gotta meet his bigs from Rockefeller.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

I know how to be somebody from Rockefeller. Yeah. Because. Because they the first I heard Game.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Then I ain't here for a minute, Cam. Yeah. Blew it out the frame.

[Rory]

He went. No homo. He went craz back. He went.

[Ghostface Killah]

I'm like, damn, I can't even speak no more, cuz all my is paused all day. But it's paused to y', all, not to me. It's like that.

[Mall]

I know what I'm saying.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, exactly. So I'm like, it's going too far, I think.

[Rory]

Blow your head off. Yeah, that's.

[Ghostface Killah]

We can't talk no more.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, that's it.

[Rory]

But the toss your salad line made no reason for saying that.

[Ghostface Killah]

Hold on, hold on.

[Rory]

But back then it was a fresh salad.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah. Cuz it wasn't like that back then. It wasn't. You know, we just. It's like, yo, listen.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

I might Get. I might be the. The most pauses, you know, because back. If I let. All right, let me ask you a question. Like I said on the skit in our raps, you know what I mean?

[Rory]

We.

[Ghostface Killah]

We'd be like, even on Rikers island, if you got cut with a. With. With. You know, I mean, they'd be like, yo, I blew that. You know what I'm saying? I blew that nigga.

[Rory]

Like, yo, that makes it crazy.

[Ghostface Killah]

No, but I'm just saying, though, you get. You know, any. But our minds ain't thinking on no. No homo. You know what I mean? Ain't no over here. You could get killed. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

No, on the scale. You put it like you're out some freaky. Freaky ass moms.

[Ghostface Killah]

It is because why every time I be like. So I can't tell you like, yo, meet me at the store. I can't say that no more. Right? I can't say that.

[Rory]

That being a pause is crazy.

[Ghostface Killah]

No, think it's the same pause. No pause. They gotta say every time they say that, yo. No, I'm. No, we're gonna meet up over at Pause. It's like, why is you saying that, though? What's on your mind? That making you think like that? That's.

[Mall]

That's.

[Ghostface Killah]

That's what I'm saying. Like, what's on your mind?

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, like why you're Put you.

[Ghostface Killah]

In a. Sexually every time you gotta talk now.

[Mall]

Right?

[Ghostface Killah]

That's not my error.

[Mall]

Right, Right. Yes.

[Rory]

Nah, it went famous. It went too far. Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

I'm like, yo, come on. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I mean?

[Rory]

We can't even go to a meeting.

[Ghostface Killah]

No, we can't. Do you see what I'm saying? Yo, everything is a pause. It's like. It's like, yo, I got paused out the game. Yeah, but that. You know that. That was so I had to. For the skit. It was like, yo, because I'm thinking the skits and like, yo, what the. You know what I mean? Boom. And then that's it right there.

[Mall]

Yeah, I got to talk.

[Ghostface Killah]

These is.

[Mall]

Yeah, I got to spell.

[Rory]

It was hilarious, bro. I will say that we recorded today right before we came here, and it just leaked that you guys had put out the Kevin Durant Join the New York Knicks video. I don't know if you saw on your phone, it finally leaked. The video.

[Ghostface Killah]

The video?

[Rory]

Yeah, it came out today.

[Ghostface Killah]

What fucking video?

[Mall]

But y' all was trying to get.

[Rory]

Y' all was trying to Get Kevin Durant to come to the Knicks.

[Ghostface Killah]

Oh, yeah, I remember something like, it.

[Rory]

Came out a few hours ago. Meth was talking about it, and then someone found the footage and it went on the Internet today.

[Ghostface Killah]

We was talking to these rap.

[Mall]

Y' all was rapping?

[Rory]

Yeah, I was rapping.

[Ghostface Killah]

It's the whole video, right? Yeah.

[Rory]

Met was talking about it, and then they found the actual video, right? Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Wow.

[Rory]

And we said pause because. Because RZA started that with like, yo, we need you to come.

[Halion Brand Representative]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And it was like, oh, you see?

[Ghostface Killah]

You see?

[Rory]

Relax.

[Ghostface Killah]

Come on, man. See, that's up. It's like. But I'm not falling for that. I'm still gonna talk my. That's it. Because I gonna pause me. Like I said, man, it's like thinking, this is how we. This how we talk. Yeah.

[Mall]

Why your mind?

[Rory]

Yeah. Yes.

[Ghostface Killah]

It's like, yo, come on, man.

[Rory]

We're not getting off this. Because there was a crazy theory today that that Dolan put that together and reached out to Wu Tang to try to get Kevin Durant to come to the Knicks and played that in, like, some meeting when he was meeting with the Nets. So what. What happened? Like.

[Ghostface Killah]

Paul.

[Rory]

So I'm not going to say it. I'm not. I'm not going to say in front of you. I respect you too much.

[Ghostface Killah]

It's whatever now.

[Rory]

But do you remember even how that whole, like, happened? Because I think it was, what, 20, 19 maybe.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That you guys did that.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, it was in the studio. I mean, we had to go to studio and go ahead and record that. But. Yeah, man, I don't know. I just. I got the call just to, like, a couple of us got the call just to go ahead and go in the studio and throw a couple of bars, I think it was.

[Rory]

And.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, that was it.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And then Katie went to Brooklyn and stuff.

[Ghostface Killah]

Went to Brooklyn? Yeah. He went to Brooklyn.

[Mall]

Yeah. I think y' all should have specified. Y' all said New York.

[Ghostface Killah]

But we just filed they script.

[Rory]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

You know, they give you a script like, yo, yo, this. Oh, that's what you want us to say? Like, you know, I mean, whatever. Just do something around there. Like. Yeah.

[Mall]

So question about the album. Why. Why is Winter wars not on DSPs?

[Ghostface Killah]

I don't know, man. That's a rizzic question. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's. That's. That's that.

[Mall]

Okay. Yeah, that sounds like it's more to that. But I ain't gonna. I ain't gonna dig too.

[Ghostface Killah]

No, no. Because I. I Don't. I don't. I'm honest with you. You gotta ask this.

[Mall]

Okay, I feel you.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah. Hey. All right, listen. I ain't hiding. Yeah, no.

[Mall]

Cause I was wondering. I was like, why is Winter wars not on the album no more? Like, every time I go.

[Ghostface Killah]

I went to Spotify, so it's not an album.

[Mall]

Nah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Oh, I didn't know that. First of all, I don't even.

[Rory]

Let's get Peter.

[Ghostface Killah]

I do these albums. I don't listen to them no more.

[Rory]

Okay, I get that, though.

[Mall]

Why is that?

[Ghostface Killah]

Because I sit. I'm making them. I just. That was it.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Unless you put it on somewhere and be like, yo. But other than that. And plus, I'm funny, so I'm like this, man. I hear a lot of. In certain music, especially my early music, that I shouldn't have did, and it get. And it pissed me off when I hear it back.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Ghostface Killah]

You know what I mean? And like that. Like, especially with Iron Man, I was. I was forced. I had to do that, like, in. I don't know if it was 30 days or 60 days do that. It was quick. It had to do it fast, like, because they tried to make a quota, like the end of the year. That's why I came out in October.

[Rory]

Yeah. Okay.

[Ghostface Killah]

You know what I mean? So I think it was. I had to do it fat. And I'm like. I don't. I'm not a fast writer.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Ghostface Killah]

All right. I take your time. Sometimes I gotta come back and, you know, I mean. And do like that. But that was my first record deal. Right. You know what I mean? And I think they was coughing up, like, maybe like 5, 600, 000 or whatever like that back then. You. What the. You know what I'm saying? We're gonna try to finish this.

[Mall]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Ghostface Killah]

Word. And. And. And that's why I got a little. Not mass with it. But that's why I always, like, you know what? Because I know me. I'm coming off of Cuban Links, right? You know what I mean? I'm skating all over that shit. So I'm like, yo, okay, this here. And. Yeah, that's what it was.

[Rory]

Yeah. I know you've talked about, like, the impossible verse and everything, where you're pulling from some true stuff and some not. How much of Fourth Disciple is. Is true and factual.

[Ghostface Killah]

Fourth Disciple?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Off the New Supreme. I just thought this fourth. Oh, you know, Fourth type who made that beat? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just. I just. Listen, I'm like a Scorsese, you Know what I mean? So when I hear. When I hear certain beats, I just. I'll just. Whatever I see in my mind, I'll just jot that. Yeah, I write that like that.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Right to where it's like a movie like, you know, I mean, you and Ray.

[Rory]

I've always been there.

[Ghostface Killah]

You can just picture it like that. So it was just like. It made me just go into it like that because it's. That's how it felt to me. Like that a little bit.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

You know what I mean?

[Rory]

Have you ever thought about like writing screenplays just because you have that side of your brain?

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, I got raps that screenplay facts like people that have never heard. Yeah, yeah, I got that. Other albums I done did that's verses on it. That's like. Like even. Even when with stolen script off of like. I think was like more fish with Jamie Foxx. Like. You know what I mean? It was. It's. He's not on the track though. But it was like. I think it was about him some. I gotta hear it again. But it was like a blind. Like somebody was blind and doing all this other. But I. I just. Music makes me see.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah. No, that I. I was watching. I should. I've watched every Ghost interview, I think. Or have you ever talked about how the Mr. Morale Kendrick connection happen with your verse on the album? I've never seen you speak about that before.

[Ghostface Killah]

He. Nah, he called me, okay? Like, I got the call through my manager from his people or whatever the case may be one day, and it was like, all right, cool. You know. And then he called me, got to me on the phone, and he was like, yo, I want you to do this thing for me. I want you to do this. Do this verse on this song I got here, but this. I want you to do it this way and that. I'm like, what are you talking about? So he like. He did. He imitated me over the phone. He sent it to me and. And was like, yo, like, you know, like a pattern, like a rhyme style.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Case may be. I'm like, all right, cool. So I. I went just for safety. I gave him like two verses. You know what I mean? I'm like, hold on. But it just hit me like, yo, because I know he was like, you know, out of the younger generation. He was like the. Like. He's like the hottest one of like, you know, top three at all. Like, you know, I mean, probably number one. I'm like. It just hit me like, damn, for him to call me. It's like, yo, he a fan. You know what I mean? Like, yo. And he was talking to me like. Like, yo, man, I. You know, Supreme Clientele. And this one and that one. I forgot what song he told me, like, to do when he did the Flow, though. But, yeah, it was like. It was kind of, like, surprising to me, though. But I had to make sure. Cause I know how he do. Like, he a master at we. You know what I mean? Like, he crafty with his. So I had to just write, like, two verses for him, and he picked the one that was. Whatchamacallit.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's. That's interesting. That surprises you that the. The greats of this time are directly influenced from you. Like, I. That's crazy.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, of course. Because it's, you know, because the time change, and I'll be around a lot of young cats, too. That. That. That don't even know me. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, you know. Cause I'm like, yo, I'm like, they was in 3 years old by the time we was out here. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, yo, so, you know, you grow with the times so that, you know, I'm like the Stylistics to these.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

You know what I'm saying? So it's like. It's like, yo, but it was amazing to be like, oh, snap. And then the ham shot me out and called me. We on the phone, and he like, yo, I just need you to. Whatever. And that was it. That's why I said, yo, you know what? If he don't like this one, I'm sending him this one. I just wrote both of them at the same time.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

And just gave it to him.

[Rory]

Yeah. I mean, woo. To me, wai woo is so interesting outside of the obvious is you guys have a bunch of kids, but you guys were so unique. I can find a bunch of people that you easily could see were influenced by J. Nas big. But Wu Tang was so authentic in themselves. I don't know if you could find somebody that could even try to repeat what they did or make it look like, oh, this is a direct influence. Of course they were all influenced. But how do you even try to, like, replicate that? You could replicate somewhat of what Bad Boy was trying to do. You could replicate. You could try to do your best to sound like Nas. You'd be like, all right, yo, Lupe is a God mc, but you can see he's directly influenced by Nas.

[Ghostface Killah]

Right, right, right, right, right.

[Rory]

Wu has a bunch of kids, but you can't Pick them out, because they don't. Who could even try to replicate Wu?

[Mall]

I mean, like, Griselda, maybe closer.

[Rory]

Yeah, okay. Griselda.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

As far as the fashion goes. Yeah, I could definitely see that, too.

[Mall]

Just being so unique and.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Halion Brand Representative]

So raw.

[Ghostface Killah]

Right.

[Rory]

Yeah, I can see. Yeah. Griselda. Griselda will probably be the closest there, too. And as far as when they come together, they're this. But separate. Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Right? Then, I mean, that's. That's. That's it. It's like, you know, first of all, dealing with nine, 10, man, it's a lot.

[Rory]

God bless.

[Ghostface Killah]

And we. We argue, man. We do all this.

[Rory]

We can't get a.

[Ghostface Killah]

On the right page stage. We can't get like, yo, let's do this. Yeah. Nah, let's do that. And then it winds up. So it's like, it don't even happen. Right. Like, you know, I mean, because we not on. Unless Rizza be like, yo, you know what? We just gonna do that, and we just follow Abbott and just be like, all right. Yeah, it. Y'. All. Then you know what? That's what it is. Then it, man. You know what I mean? It's like, you know, I might. Because I'm one of the. I'd be like, I like a lot of fly. I might be like, yo, we can't be coming on stage, like, looking like 90, like, back in the 90s.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

You know what I mean? Let's get on some new edition out here.

[Rory]

I want to tour a new edition.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That would be the crazy.

[Ghostface Killah]

But then you got brothers saying, like, nah, I ain't throwing on no blazer. I ain't doing on no. Like that.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Like, I'm like, yo, but you. We gotta get at least one time out of these 30 some years, just.

[Rory]

Like, yo, get it right.

[Mall]

That'll be crazy to see.

[Ghostface Killah]

You know what I mean?

[Mall]

All in suits.

[Ghostface Killah]

Come on, man. You see what I'm saying?

[Rory]

That would be beautiful.

[Ghostface Killah]

Album cover. Yeah, man. It's like, yo, but. But that. But there goes with everybody's character, like, all these nine fucking energies. Different energies. It's like, it's hard to get. And it's hard. I'm telling y'. All, It's. We've been here for 30 something years. It's hard, bro.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

It's hard to get on the same page. It's hard very.

[Mall]

How much music did you.

[Ghostface Killah]

Did you.

[Mall]

Or if you did at all, did you lose any music in the flood at Rizza Script? Like, any solo music?

[Ghostface Killah]

It was a lot of Music lost.

[Halion Brand Representative]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

I think that probably one that took the biggest hit, but we all did, because them beats was like, yo, you know. You know what? That might have been God's. Let me tell you something. To get to the next level, a lot of times you got to go through hell or come out right. There's always going to be something that fucks you over. You know what I mean? I don't give a. It could be death. It could be this and that and the third for you to go healing. You know what I mean? You gotta have a loss or something. But it was hard, though.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Ghostface Killah]

It was the flood. It was the flood. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was them beats. It was. It was.

[Mall]

But I could see me taking that and using that as the flood. Noah's ark.

[Ghostface Killah]

Of course. Of course, of course. But I'm saying, though, like, it was.

[Rory]

Once you start breaking a lot of.

[Ghostface Killah]

Animals, a lot of good music, that. That was lost in that flood. Like, all the diss up and all that. Yeah, word. All of it.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, B, that's tough.

[Rory]

I mean, I allegedly. The Delphonics thing, with what happened in the car, we don't have to get into that. I just want to know what the car ride home was like. Yeah, like, you've told the story, but, like. Yeah, you're not the conversation afterwards.

[Mall]

Like, you get the Delphonics to still record after they were just in the shootout with you. Like, how does that happen?

[Ghostface Killah]

They were some cool niggas, man. They got to be cool. They was like, I felt bad. Yo, man, you done these, old man. You got these in the shootout. But they was. They, yo. They was like, nah, B, don't worry about that, man. Yeah, worry about that. Like, they from Philly, man.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Gangsters. So they. They. They were just like, yo, something told me to bring my knife.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

He was like, yo, something told me the delight skin one was like. Something told me to bring my knife. Like. Like, yo, I'm like, yo, but. But while they saying all that, I'm just saying sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we going in. You know, we. We going in the. In the studio and on the elevator, and I'm just like, yo, I'm sorry, yo, I'm sorry. I. I just lost it because I didn't. I. The way it happened at Delphonics, I was. They wasn't even on my mind, bro.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

I'm Achilles, right? You know what I mean? And that's just what it was like until it was, like, all over, and it was like, that's why they did after the smoke just cleared. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Y. Delphine. Yeah. So that's it. It came out. It came out like that. That was right after the.

[Mall]

That's a movie.

[Ghostface Killah]

It was like, yo, man. And we've been cool ever since. Like, ever since we meet up. Yeah, man. Thank God. Nothing serious, you know what I mean? But, yo, I love the Delphonics, man. That's. They. That's my soul. They. My soul.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

That era. You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

So where does that really.

[Ghostface Killah]

That. We just went to the studio. That was it. It wasn't like the. The. I can't remember what it was like when I. After the studio session was over, like, going back because I can't remember and. But yeah, bro, I'm Z.

[Rory]

Where does that all, like, derive from? Because why you've always been my. My favorite out of Wu Tang, outside of your raps and tone is I'm a super soul and R B nerd. So, like, that's why I always more like drive more to ghost because of that. Where does that stem from that. That's always kind of.

[Ghostface Killah]

I mean, when you was little, man, it stemmed from being in the living room with all the older folks, you know what I mean? Getting kicked out cause you too young. You know what I mean? Everybody smoking weed, dancing and. You know what I mean? Your mother's playing all the Isley Brother shits. You know what I mean? That's when you. Back at that time when we was little, we had afros and shit.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

So we picking up the broom, thinking you was Michael Jackson and. You know what I mean, all this other shit. But it was just the tone that was set in the crib at that time. It was. It was. It was. It was. You know, my mom, they set the tone without even knowing they set the tone.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

You know, I mean, it was like they was just jamming to. You know what I mean? And that just stayed with me. So when I hear it, it was like. You remember that? Like, oh, yo. And to be honest with you, that's. That music is like the most flies music ever.

[Rory]

It's not even close.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, like, they ain't making music like that no more. That's why I sample a lot.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

That's why I do a lot of them system. When I did Holla on Fisker, I rhymed over that, over the words and everything. Because I don't. I don't hear words.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

I just know where I'm at in the groove. Like like, yo. And just get it even with the. Even with the Sit on Supreme. The. The Commodore.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

That zoom. You know what I mean? Like, yo, the words was like, yo, I don't hear the words.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

I want to get that right. You know? I mean, because I'm not getting in nowhere else. That's all.

[Rory]

Yeah. And I mean, was that something that you put to RZA when it came to doing your solo shit? Like, we lean in this way. I know you on the dirty ASR.

[Ghostface Killah]

Shit, but we focused on this. At that time, I was just finding myself.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Okay. I was finding myself. I even had to talk to RZA about what that was, the who did. It's like, nah. When he played a couple of those beats, like, all I got is you and all that. I didn't know what I was going to do to it. I just know I wanted it, you know what I mean? When I took it home and I started whatchamacallit, it made me reflect on my struggle.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Like growing up, you know What I mean? Three bedrooms with 15 of us and all these apartments. You know what I mean? In the apartment. And roaches everywhere and this and that and the third and muscular dystrophy. My brothers are like. It's like. It just. That's why I say sometimes the beat speaks to you. It speaks like. You know what I mean? And it made me just pour my life out on that. So now even when I hear that record, I can't really like, hear it. Hear it because it. It relates to a place.

[Rory]

Yeah. So it's different.

[Ghostface Killah]

Sometimes it can make me sad.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Or it might make me feel like, yo, damn, Tone. You don't spill the guts. Yeah. You don't. You don't told that. The average would be embarrassed of saying. Yeah. You know what I mean? I don't talk about they got roaches.

[Rory]

Right.

[Ghostface Killah]

But it's like, yo, that's the most illegal. Because when I real. When I said it, I got. I got. I got people just from all over like, yo, Even in the south, like, yo, that's my. Because they can relate.

[Mall]

Absolutely.

[Ghostface Killah]

You know, I mean, I was the only one that was struggle.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

And that's it. Yeah.

[Rory]

That's my gauge of. Of finding out somebody's a sociopath. If you play that record and don't cry, you a sociopath.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, man. People cried off that.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

A lot of jail play that around.

[Rory]

You and you don't tear up. Something's wrong with you.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah. Yeah. No worry.

[Mall]

And now more over the weekend, you're thinking about upgrading your phone, Rory, Because I saw your phone, and I was gonna ask. I know you feel like you want the new iPhone 17 Pro.

[Rory]

I never told a soul about that.

[Mall]

Yeah, but listen, did you know that it's designed to be the most powerful iPhone ever? I didn't. And did you know that if it's traffic, they'll come to you?

[Rory]

No.

[Mall]

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[Ghostface Killah]

Rory.

[Rory]

Okay, I knew Boost was like that.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah.

[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

Now. Growing up in. In New York, I remember hearing the rumor and it was because y' all was two of my favorite rappers at the time. Is there any truth to the rumor that you and Mace got into it at the Tunnel?

[Ghostface Killah]

No.

[Mall]

Where did that come from? Where did that rumor come from?

[Ghostface Killah]

I never even heard that rumor.

[Mall]

Really?

[Ghostface Killah]

Nah, not me. Not me and Mace getting into it at the Tunnel.

[Mall]

Yeah, hell, that was a big rumor.

[Ghostface Killah]

Oh, nah, it was a. Yo, it was so many rumors, man. You know what I mean? Like just that one I heard, Fat Joe, you know what I mean? Like, a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot. But it was. Nah, there ain't no truth to that. Even think I ever seen Mace in the tunnel.

[Mall]

All right, so that's good to know. My favorite, and this feels a little.

[Rory]

Gossipy, but even Kanye rapped that, you know how my face felt. You would know how Mace felt. And I think that was in regards to you. Yeah, that was gospy. But yeah, even Kanye's rapped that before.

[Ghostface Killah]

I know that. Yeah, I know he's. Yeah, I ain't thinking when he said I ain't thinking nothing. You know what I mean? Yeah, I ain't think that deep into it.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Was Bulletproof Wallace the first rap album that suffered from sample clearances? I remember it Being one of the early big samples.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah. First of all, one of the Slick Rick joints that I. That I had called the Sun. If I would have had three records on there. Let me tell you something, that that album would have just been ridiculous. Like.

[Mall]

What do you mean? That's a classic.

[Ghostface Killah]

No, but listen. Nah, you didn't. When I had to, I had the watch on that. They took the watch off. I had the son with Slick Rick. Me, Slick Rick, rza, Raekwon, they took that shit, and it was another one. Oh, the Flowers beat. The Flowers beat. They changed the original beat to Flowers. You know what I mean? So I had. I had to change it. Like, if I would have kept my original. All that up there. Yo, bro, it's. It's. Yeah, I know how to do these shits, man.

[Mall]

No, 100, listen, 1,000%. For you to say that it would have been better than it would already is. It's a classic.

[Ghostface Killah]

Listen, with those other three on there. Listen. It had been some shit, bro.

[Mall]

That's crazy.

[Ghostface Killah]

I'm trying to tell you.

[Mall]

That is wild.

[Ghostface Killah]

I'm trying to tell you. Yeah, man.

[Rory]

What was the. The Slick Rick we actually were just talking about this week? The Fade to Black movie, when you perform with Beyonce at the Garden. And Slick Rick came with all the joy. How long has y' all relationship been so close that way? Because from the outside looking in, when he pulled up and just was taking all the jewelry out, I didn't know.

[Ghostface Killah]

He was gonna come. I didn't know he was gonna come.

[Rory]

Something with all his joy.

[Mall]

I didn't say nothing.

[Ghostface Killah]

Listen, I didn't say anything.

[Rory]

I tried to say that I knew.

[Mall]

What he was doing.

[Rory]

That's why I'm like.

[Mall]

I'm not even feeding into that.

[Ghostface Killah]

I knew he feel it.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

You know what I mean? But I didn't know he was gonna slide through.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

You know what I mean?

[Rory]

I don't know if that's aj, you.

[Ghostface Killah]

Know what I mean? Because I reached out to him and I was like, yo. Cause I had a bag for him to be like, yo, listen, I'm going on the stage with Beyonce.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

You know what I mean? At the Garden. Yo, Rick, let me just hold something. Whatever. Whatever the case may be. This is that the third. But you know that's his prized possession. So. Yeah, at first, I don't. I don't know if we. I didn't think he was gonna come, you know what I mean? So I didn't know he was gonna slide through. Whatever the case may be.

[Rory]

Arrive at the venue.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah. Yeah. So I'm like. I'm like. I'm like. I'm like, you know, So I wasn't even thinking about it. Like, we didn't even talk about it no more. Cause I think he might have told me, like. Yeah. Or said something, whatever. Case may. Anyway, he was like, all right. I ain't think it was happening. So when I'm there, you know, be back there. You know, me and Beyonce this and that and the third. And then all of a sudden, like, you know, he came out of nowhere. She on stage doing her shit.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yo, he came out. He came to me at that, I think while that was on. While she was on the stage doing.

[Mall]

That, the record was playing.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah.

[Rory]

The footage.

[Ghostface Killah]

And it was like. He just. He was like. He had his little bag, and he just started throwing them shits on me. Like, I just got heavier and heavier and heavier.

[Rory]

It was like, yo, I can't rap this way.

[Ghostface Killah]

It was like. It was like the power. Like. Oh, yeah. So I walk out. I'm walking out, and. And all of a sudden, the verse just left me. It left. I'm like. But my part is getting ready to come, and I don't. Yeah, it's getting ready. You know, I'm getting ready. It's getting ready to go. Yeah. So I'm like. I'm like, oh, shit. I asked my manager, I say, yo, what's. What's. What's. What's the. What's the. What's my first.

[Mall]

The first bar. You just need the first bar.

[Ghostface Killah]

That's all I need is the first bar. Couldn't get it. Yeah, I couldn't get it. So I'm like, oh, see you on stage. I'm like, oh, I can't go over for the 30,000, 20,000 and just either get booed or. Or just, like, don't go.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

So I'm like, oh. So I'm like, it's coming like, she's getting closer. It's getting closer, getting closer.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

So I start walking up, walking up. I'm the shit gone. So all I can see is, like. It's slow motion. I saw just Dame Dash face when he looked at me from the side. Cause n ain't see me with all that shit on. He just looked at me and said, oh. I even hear him. I just read his mouth.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Like, oh, shit. Boom. Like. And I'm like, the steps is right there, nigga, just go. I sit on. Got it. And I'm like, oh. But when it came. Yeah, it Was. God. Yeah. He just. It was just like. I think he just, like, kicked me or slapped me.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Bow.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

I used to sit back and analyze. Yo. It just came. I said, yo. And I just flowed that. But when she seen me with all that, she was like, yeah. Cause we did rehearsal not. You know, it was regular shit. Yeah. And she seen that, like, oh, he came to perform.

[Rory]

No, I was the craziest fan.

[Ghostface Killah]

It was like, oh, this one of them.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Jewelry was.

[Mall]

I was at the show that night. And when you came out.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah.

[Mall]

We didn't know that that was Slick Rick Jewelry. We just thought that was Ghost on his right. I'm throwing everything on the night when Fade the Black came out.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And we saw Rick putting it. I was like, oh, that's. That was crazy. Yeah. Cause when you came out with the role. But that was. Tony Stark should be like, we don't know where Ghost got all this from.

[Ghostface Killah]

That might have been one of the best times. Oh. Probably the best time without the clan that. That I ever had, like, on stage, like. Like, as far as, like, hearing the raw from the crowd.

[Mall]

No, that's summertime. We couldn't believe y'.

[Ghostface Killah]

All. Because I was cool. I'm like, yo. Cause Jay didn't even let Sean Paul do his.

[Mall]

Nah.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

I'm like, damn, you calling me. Yeah.

[Rory]

You know.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah. It's like, yo, so you trusted me up there just to get ahead and. But that was so be with his girl.

[Mall]

That was so crazy, because that. When that record came out, everybody loved that record.

[Rory]

That was like a case.

[Ghostface Killah]

I gave it to Slay.

[Rory]

Slay. I remember when Slay put that up.

[Ghostface Killah]

I gave it to Slay because I was in Miami doing Pretty Tony. And my man down there, Tom Larock, he got the DJ Tom LaRock.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

He said, yo, I got this joint for you. It's a Beyonce joint. Anything Beyonce give it to me.

[Halion Brand Representative]

Right.

[Ghostface Killah]

You know what I mean?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Boom. And I heard that it was over. That was. That was it. I'm like, oh, I'm demoing this. Wait Till Tomorrow did that.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

When Laid it down came out where he was, yo, I sent it straight to Slay. And then Slave was the one that did it.

[Rory]

I remember. Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

You know, I mean, but I didn't know he had. Because he wasn't on it.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

And then he tried to play his afterwards, and I guess that might have been his or what? I don't know. Whatever. Whatever. He could be lying. I don't know.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Anyway, ain't work right yeah.

[Rory]

Even if that was never the official remix. That was the official remix for sure.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So how quick, like, how quickly did Slick Rig ask for his jewelry back? Because I would have exited, like, stage right instead of left, and I would have held on for a little bit, man.

[Ghostface Killah]

Listen, man, I was grateful he came to do what he. What he. He just did what he did, and I. I got off that stage, I went back to the room. Yeah, that was it. Yo, good looking. Bow bow. Sit that back. That was it, though.

[Mall]

That moment was like.

[Ghostface Killah]

That was it.

[Mall]

Because I. I mean, I'm guessing that's the only time y' all ever performed that record together.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yes.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, to be in the garden that night and see that. Cause nobody was expecting Beyonce to perform that.

[Rory]

Magical.

[Mall]

That was in.

[Ghostface Killah]

And I forgot my. It felt magical. It was like.

[Mall]

You're knowing that now is even crazy. Cause looking back, you came out and it was like, that's Ghostface.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yo, bro, I was scared. You know what I mean? I was tremendously scared just to go up on that stage and just be like, yo.

[Mall]

And just be stuck.

[Ghostface Killah]

It would have been time for a snicker or something. Like, you want to get away? You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

[Rory]

Speaking of snickers and kick ass. And we was talking off mic. So Maul told a story. When he met Styles P for the first time, and when he met somebody that he idolized, Legend, that they was exactly who they thought they were.

[Ghostface Killah]

Right.

[Rory]

During COVID DJ Premier put you and I on text message to do an emotional oranges record where you had done two verses, and I was going to bring a certain amount of money, cash to you. This is at the height of the fucking pandemic. You text me back and said, nah, God, I got diabetes. You're not getting near me.

[Ghostface Killah]

Right. Did you get it during COVID You sure it was me? Why?

[Rory]

You said. You said your nephew I still speak to to this day. I had given him the cash, and eventually, when I get that record back from Universal, we putting that out, that DJ Premiere remix that.

[Ghostface Killah]

Oh, so I did the record.

[Rory]

Yeah, you did two verses on it. Oh, you actually asked Premiere about it at Barclays, like, a few weeks ago. He had called me and was like, yo, Ghost wants to put that out. I'm like, so do I. We got to Universal. I'll play it for you when we get off. Mike still remember you.

[Ghostface Killah]

Oh, so that was because I remember Premiere did have me. Yeah, something like that.

[Rory]

That was with my group. Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Oh, he put us on text And.

[Rory]

I was gonna give you the bread. And he was like, nah, God, you're not getting near me.

[Ghostface Killah]

Probably, Probably. Probably.

[Rory]

This was like the height of the pandemic. Nobody was even. No, exactly.

[Ghostface Killah]

Nah, man, I ain't want to go nowhere. Hell, yeah. I was holding my breath. You know, I'd be like, yo, if you showing us your breath every five minutes, I was like, trying to see if I can hold my. For like 30. 30 seconds. 20, 30 seconds. Then if I. If I hold it for 30, something like that. I'm good.

[Mall]

I'm good.

[Richard Sherman]

I'm good.

[Ghostface Killah]

I' good. I've been doing that all the time. Like, going to the bathroom, mid 3 o' clock in the morning, take a piss.

[Rory]

I'm like.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, all that. Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

All right.

[Mall]

I'm good.

[Ghostface Killah]

Go back to sleep. Hell yeah.

[Mall]

Oh, man. All right, so we got. We don't want to keep ghosts too much long.

[Halion Brand Representative]

Of course.

[Rory]

Of course. Not.

[Mall]

Some questions from the audience or.

[Rory]

Yeah, for sure.

[Mall]

Anybody got a question? Nobody got a question. Don't get shot now.

[Rory]

I had a question. You answered it. But what happened to the eagle bracelet?

[Ghostface Killah]

I'm just curious. Oh, we still got that.

[Rory]

Oh, okay.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, but I still got it. Yeah. Matter of fact is the only thing with that one. It was like, I brought it to the video shoot, but I was gonna wear it, but remember, I was like, what. How old was. When was that? What year was that? When I did that was bulletproof wallets.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Ghostface Killah]

Right. Cause I did. I did the shit with Lisa. What's her name? Lisa Rae. Not Lisa. What's that? Lisa Ray. The. The Thomas. The Car Thomas. Yeah. I had to bird on in there. I tried that. Like, nowadays, over two. Yeah, you got to get that.

[Rory]

Yeah. Expanded, I was gonna say, with the wrist fluctuating if you work out.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, yeah. You gotta get. You got to get that.

[Rory]

Who made that? That?

[Ghostface Killah]

My man from Beverly Hill. His name is Jason.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

Oh, Jason made that.

[Ghostface Killah]

Jason made that in Beverly Hills. Yeah.

[Mall]

You know, he do all the NBA rings now, the championship.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, I know that. He doing everything. Super bowl rings, all that.

[Mall]

He did. He did this piece. He did my cheese piece. Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He do all that shit?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Hell yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's what that should be his logo.

[Halion Brand Representative]

That.

[Rory]

That piece that he did.

[Ghostface Killah]

It's iconic. Hi, there. Hey. I really liked hearing about how you're.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Like, a student of soul, like, and.

[Ghostface Killah]

How, you know, you grew up with certain songs and things and memories that are attached to that. So my first question is, what's your favorite song? And then my second question is, is there a sample that you haven't touched.

[Rory]

Yet that you're waiting to.

[Ghostface Killah]

A sample? Man, it's really good. First, let's get to that. It's so many samples, you know what I mean? Stevie Wonder samples all like that. I really want to go in on, like, a lot of. A lot of those. It's a lot of old samples, like, from the seventies and like that. Like, that I haven't touched. Like. Like. Like, yo, when I hear him, certain records I hear, it's like, yo, you know, I want to murder that. Like that. So. But. And what's the other one you said? I was wondering what your favorite song was. What's your favorite song? Oh, I can't. A song I did or just a regular, just from growing up that you heard?

[Sophie Cunningham]

Damn.

[Ghostface Killah]

It's a lot, yo. It's like, you know, so it's a lot. I can't even. I can't even answer it. I'm sorry. Because it's. You got. You got Jackson 5, you got Curtis Mayfield, you got. You got. You got New Birth and all these, the moments, and. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? What's. The ones that made them? I want to go outside. You know what I mean? I murdered that before, but they took it off. Supreme clientele. First one.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Remember how my album. Because I did this shit. I snuck it on there.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Ghostface Killah]

And then when they took it off, the whole track listing was fucked up.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

They was like, yo, what the fuck is this? You know what I mean? Like that word. But, yeah, it's like. It's just so much. I'm a fan of all that shit back then, and I miss it. It's just. If I could murder all them shits, I'll do it. But, yeah, I can't even narrow it down, because once you hear one, then you be like, oh, shit. This should put you on the zone.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, man.

[Rory]

I feel like Wizards of Poetry might be just. If I'm guessing, would be one of your favorite albums to make. Oh. I was a little bean. So to me, like, I love that. Just because I was like, ghost just.

[Ghostface Killah]

Over RV samples, wanted to write stories like that. So when I got a chance to do it and do it for Def Jam, and it was like, all right, yo. At least I got one off my back. Like, with all that, you had Raheem Devine and Estelle and.

[Rory]

Yeah. Oh, no.

[Ghostface Killah]

John Legend. Yeah, all that shit like that.

[Rory]

That felt like the album to me. Again, as a fan, that. That was the first one. Ghost was just by himself and got to do anything he wanted to do.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah. Shout out to Lenny S. You know what I mean? Cause he was the one that was like, getting these guys and females on the. Doing the hooks for me and all that like that. But, yeah, it's like, a lot big on R B. So it was like. When I was catching it, it was like, all right, cool. And. And that was it. But that is like, my best wonder.

[Rory]

I. I love your project. I think it's the most underrated, right?

[Ghostface Killah]

And it was just right. And. Yeah. And Def Jam just dropped the ball on it. They. They even. I could run into John Legend. He like, what happened? I said, yo, bro, I don't. I don't even know how to answer him. Like, you know what I mean? Because I knew what he's talking about.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

There's a thing that. All of the great rappers are major R B heads. Like, is it.

[Rory]

That's it.

[Mall]

Like, what is it about? Like, because I. I think that it. You have to be into R B in order to rap because it's just melodies and different, you know, rhythms and things like that.

[Ghostface Killah]

Like.

[Mall]

But all of the great MCs, right. All will tell you. Like, all I listen to is R B. What is it about?

[Ghostface Killah]

I mean, it calms you, man. It's like. It's like. It just. It just. It hits the soul. It's just different. Different. Rap is rap, don't get me wrong. But when you can just get into another world and just go into that world there and I don't know, it just. It just hits different. Like, I could do all day without rap. Like, you know what I mean? Just. Yeah. Just, just, just, just, just, just. Yo, put on that 80s R&B, all that. Like that. And then you could go back to, like, the regular soul. All that, the moments, all these stylistic. And you know what I mean, it's like, like, it just hits different.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

And you could feel it, right? Like, I guess, I guess, I guess. Because everything is so digital now. Back then, you had to play them instruments. You could feel the sweat dripping off the instruments. You know what I mean? Like. Oh, so it's just going to your soul different. Like, like, yo, where it make you. Like when they were singing about love songs. David Ruffin and all that. Like.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

It's like. It's that voice, that scratchy. That's like you in a kitchen with this. Like. Oh, yeah. Like, you just. You could feel love. Real. Real.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Not this. You feel it?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

So that's. That's the difference. Like this little. That's going on here.

[Mall]

Yeah, it's different. Ain't no social disrespect.

[Ghostface Killah]

You. A lot of this, you can't even off a.

[Rory]

You know what I mean? Yeah, not even either.

[Ghostface Killah]

It's like Luther. Yeah. Yeah. It's like. It's like, yo.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

You know what I mean? It's too. It's. It's. It's. It's.

[Rory]

Listen, man, is there any R B acts now that you with the R.

[Ghostface Killah]

And B acts now? No. You got. You got voices out there. You got. You got some. But it ain't like back then.

[Rory]

Yeah. I mean, I don't think anything compare.

[Ghostface Killah]

You know, But I do. I do want to do records with my man, the new guy that just. Leon Thomas.

[Rory]

Leon Thomas.

[Ghostface Killah]

I knew he was gonna say I'm a mutt.

[Rory]

I could hear that.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I knew he was talking about Leon Thomas.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Rory]

Because it's funny. When he played me mutt for the first time, before even the Gibbs remix came out, the first thing I said to him in the studio when he played that for me before it came out, I said, ghost should be on this.

[Ghostface Killah]

First thing I said I wanted it. Yeah, I wanted that.

[Rory]

First thing I was like, this is Ghost.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, man. Hell yeah. Then I got to hear other beats that he had said. It's like, yo, I'll connect y'. All.

[Rory]

I'll connect y'. All.

[Ghostface Killah]

Bet. Yeah, I'll lead you to that. I told Ty$. Bumping to him somewhere in a weird place, like at the Wu Tang show somewhere. He was one of these. We some. Some weird ass town, and he happened to be up in the bar and like, oh, like, yo. You know what I mean? But yeah, do that.

[Rory]

Nah, I definitely will. Ty's one of them too, though. Like. Yeah, Ty could have been from the 70s to me. Ty is that talented. Ty Dollar is one of them to me as well, outside. And it makes sense that him and Leon are getting signed together.

[Ghostface Killah]

That's a nice little. Yeah, he good. I want to work with him. Lauryn Hill. Work with Lauryn too. You know what I mean?

[Rory]

Did you guys ever, like, run into each other often or when, you know, you was more outside and younger? Did you run into Lauren?

[Ghostface Killah]

Nah. Cause I seen that we did a show together uptown at the. I think the State Building, and. And that might have been like the only time I think I. I really. I ever seen to, though. But I loved her since I even Told her that this time when he. When we was on. On the Wu Tang run.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

He came out and did. Like. I told her. I'm like, yo, Beauche, I'm not. I told her when we exchanged numbers, I told her again, like, yo, she only chick. That probably that. That made. That made me cry. Like, you know what I mean? And then. And that and that. Then them tears came from the Unplug album when she was crying. She made me cry.

[Rory]

Right. I bought the vinyl before we started recording. I literally took the vinyl right there and went to the cash register and I said, they got the unplugged vinyl here. Like that Unplugged album.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah. So that was the power. Like, you know, I mean, I felt her.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

So, you know. Yeah. Shout out to Lauren.

[Rory]

No, absolutely. Her son Zion now is making incredible Music is fire.

[Ghostface Killah]

Right?

[Mall]

Well, we don't want to keep.

[Rory]

Yeah, I know. You got.

[Mall]

Long ago. Listen, man, from a. The kid growing up in the Bronx who saved his allowance to buy your first album.

[Ghostface Killah]

Thank you, bro.

[Mall]

It's an honor to meet you. It's an honor to sit here and kick, man.

[Ghostface Killah]

Thank you so much.

[Mall]

Appreciate everything you've given us in the culture. We appreciate all of the bars. And just for me, for my sake, can we get a show soon? Because your personality is too big to just rap. You gotta be on TV every Sunday.

[Rory]

Around 8:00pm you were making podcast on.

[Mall]

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[Ghostface Killah]

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[Mall]

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[Ghostface Killah]

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[Mall]

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[Ghostface Killah]

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[Mall]

That's Ghost face. I'm.

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