Checking In With Grafh

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & MAL – "Checking In With Grafh"

Release Date: July 24, 2025

Hosts: Rory & Mal

Guest: Grafh, Legendary New York City MC

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1. Introduction to Grafh

The episode kicks off with Rory and Mal welcoming Grafh, a revered figure in the New York City rap scene. Mal humorously remarks, “Today we are joined by somebody who I'm convinced it might be seven of these guys. It’s not just one person. I think it’s seven of hims.” (03:04) This light-hearted introduction sets the tone for an engaging conversation about Grafh's multifaceted presence in the industry.

2. Grafh’s Recent Activities and Rebranding

Grafh discusses his recent ventures, including a new music video where he appears poolside rapping alongside Busta Rhymes. He shares his excitement about his rebranding efforts, stating, “It’s my rebrand. It’s my new shit, having a fucking blast.” (04:12) Grafh reveals that the video was an impromptu project filmed at his home, emphasizing his commitment to creating authentic and enjoyable content without over-planning.

3. Reflections on the New York Rap Scene

A significant portion of the discussion centers around the evolution of the New York City rap scene. Grafh expresses frustration over the past decade, noting, “By the bars weren’t in style. The radio wasn’t supporting it. So the industry wasn’t supporting it.” (10:06) He highlights the resurgence led by groups like Griselda, who have revitalized mainstream interest in underground hip-hop, allowing talented bar spitters to gain financial and cultural traction once again.

4. The Struggle with Radio Support for Authentic Bars

Grafh and his hosts delve into the challenges artists face with radio play. Grafh criticizes the reluctance of New York radio stations to support lyric-focused rap, arguing, “You’re missing the lost consumer base because you won’t play this. They would tune in if they were.” (16:47) The conversation underscores the disconnect between radio programming and the desires of true hip-hop aficionados, advocating for a balance that incorporates both commercial hits and authentic lyrical content.

5. Touring and Building Community

Grafh shares his experiences touring with artists like Benny, recounting sold-out shows overseas and the strong connection he feels with dedicated hip-hop fans. He remarks, “The alignment was crazy. It was like the universe was like, this was needed to happen.” (09:26) Their tours in Europe, particularly in Denmark and London, have reinforced Grafh's belief in the global appreciation for genuine hip-hop culture.

6. Influences and Favorite Records

The conversation shifts to Grafh’s musical influences and favorite records. He passionately discusses the impact of Nas’s "It Was Written," sharing how it changed his perspective on pursuing rap over his initial aspirations in medicine: “It made me want to keep to pursue rap in a real way. I was going to school to be like a doctor or some...” (57:30) Grafh also highlights his admiration for Prodigy and Busta Rhymes, crediting them as pivotal influences in his craft.

7. Personal Stories and Industry Encounters

Grafh opens up about past conflicts and his growth within the industry. He recounts an altercation with Busta Rhymes, emphasizing the importance of maintaining respect and avoiding escalation: “It was like, I don’t know how it ain’t go left after that. Nobody died. We’re still alive.” (78:59) This story illustrates Grafh’s journey towards maturity and his commitment to resolving disputes without letting them affect his professional relationships.

8. The Future of Hip-Hop and Collaboration Over Competition

Towards the end of the episode, Grafh advocates for collaboration over competitive battles within hip-hop. Discussing the Joyner Lucas vs. Skepta scenario, he states, “I just don’t want to hear that UK versus US because we ain’t mad at you, right at all.” (46:36) Grafh envisions a future where artists unite across regions to enhance the culture and create more impactful music together.

Notable Quotes

• Grafh on Rebranding: “It’s my rebrand. It’s my new shit, having a fucking blast.” (04:12)

• Grafh on Radio Support: “You’re missing the lost consumer base because you won’t play this. They would tune in if they were.” (16:47)

• Grafh on Influences: “It made me want to keep to pursue rap in a real way. I was going to school to be like a doctor or some...” (57:30)

• Grafh on Collaboration: “I just don’t want to hear that UK versus US because we ain’t mad at you, right at all.” (46:36)

Conclusion

"Checking In With Grafh" offers an insightful exploration of the current state and future of New York City’s hip-hop landscape through the eyes of a seasoned MC. Grafh’s candid reflections on industry challenges, his dedication to authentic lyrical expression, and his passion for fostering a supportive community underscore the episode’s depth. Listeners gain valuable perspectives on the importance of radio support, the power of collaboration, and the enduring influence of hip-hop legends.

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Timestamp Key:

• 03:04: Introduction of Grafh
• 04:12: Grafh discusses rebranding and the new music video
• 09:26: Grafh on the impact of Griselda and touring
• 10:06: Grafh on radio support issues
• 16:47: Discussion on missing consumer base due to radio programming
• 46:36: Grafh’s perspective on Joyner Lucas vs. Skepta and collaboration
• 57:30: Grafh on Nas’s influence and his career shift
• 78:59: Personal story about conflict with Busta Rhymes

Note: Timestamps are indicative and based on the provided transcript snippets.

Transcript

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[Rory]

You get your podcast.

[G]

The Volume.

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No worrying.

[Mall]

Action. Please don't ever tell me action.

[G]

Don't say action to me.

[Mall]

Don't tell action to me. All right, we are back, Rory. Today we are joined by somebody who I'm convinced it might be seven of these guys. It's not just one person. I think it's seven of hims.

[G]

Okay?

[Mall]

He's everywhere. Anywhere. Anytime I decide to go outside, if it's one person I know I'm gonna see. And always good to see somebody that for years I've known. Always got great energy, always show love, always supporting. And one of the dopest MCs out of the city that we had, one of the bar spitters, one of the guys that still holds bars to a high level, a legendary New York City legend, my guy Graff. How you feeling? Family slaps.

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There you go.

[Mall]

They clapping at home, as we say, they clapping at home. But today we here to talk about just New York City, man, and just where things are. New York rap. First of all, I seen the clip of you last night, Rory. I don't know if you saw it. Graff was poolside rapping. He got a song with Busta, and Graff is poolside rapping. I just started laughing. Cause I'm like, if you know graffiti, you know, he can't wait for a reason to take his shirt off.

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That's just new, though. That's new. I never really did that. My whole career. I was in shape the whole time. I was like, one of these days I'm doing a show with no shirt on.

[Mall]

How's that? How's that work out for you?

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It's fun.

[Mall]

It's fun having a blast.

[G]

It's my rebrand. It's my new shit having a fucking blast.

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It's crazy, too, because that you just.

[G]

Got to get blessed to give you some steroids.

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No, I don't want those. But it's funny because that whole. I just shot a bunch of content in my man crib. I wasn't even planning to do that. I was like, just roll the camera. Fuck it. We just gonna shoot shit. Yeah, I'm just rapping and doing shit. And we just added it up while we edited. It.

[Rory]

Looks cool.

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It looks like a whole party. It really wasn't. It was great.

[G]

We do appreciate that you did come here and didn't wear your Rockefeller chain so we wouldn't be jealous. When I went to your show at SOBS with Bleak and he gave you the chain, I came right. Right in the next day and said, mo, how'd you let graph get a rock chain before you?

[Mall]

Graph is rock. Graph been down with rocks since. Yeah, man. Graph Was that. That might have been.

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Oh, at the end. I got there right at the end. Right at the end. Like, right before Jay and Dame actually broke up. I mean, like, literally, like the week of the breakup.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[G]

Well, who signed you? Was it Dame?

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Dane brought me there. Me and Kanye. Yeah.

[G]

Okay, so maybe it wasn't necessarily Cam being vice president. Graff was the reason why they broke after that. Danger signing people, not Jay came back from Puerto Rico, like, all right.

[Graph]

Graff got a whole new roster.

[Rory]

Yeah.

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Nah, J.J. was cool with it. Yeah. Jay was with it back then, But.

[Mall]

Dame and Chaz had a. More of a relationship.

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Right? Yeah. Yeah, Dame. Dame is street guys. Dame was. Dame was tapped in with Chad. Shout out to big Chaz, man. I miss him, man.

[Rory]

Yeah.

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Rest in peace, man. But, yeah, Dame and Chaz did. I know. I think we both met Dame together, but, yeah, that's how that really happened. I mean, because Dame actually wanted to do Chaz's life movie.

[Rory]

Yeah, okay.

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He wanted to do a movie on Chaz's life. I don't. But. I don't. But a lot of people wanted to do it. Denzel wanted to do this shit, too. Don Cheadle. A lot of people wanted to do Chaz's story. As a matter of fact, when Denzel did American Gangster and he chose Frank Lucas life before he chose that, he was trying to do Chaz story. Chaz's story is even crazier than Frank Lucas.

[G]

Shit.

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Fucking retarded.

[G]

I mean, yeah, Chaz lived 10,000 lives.

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I'm telling you, he's like the superhero of all gangsters.

[Mall]

And he was such a. You know, like. Cause he had. It was. I think him and Biggs had the offices was right next to each other. At the last one of the office spaces, they had black hand. I think the officers was right next door. And every time I used to see Chaz walking through the hallway, I used to laugh. I'm like. Because obviously I know him and I know his story. And I'm like, yo, for somebody who has such a, you know, just an interesting real life story like him, he walks so soft. Like, I was telling business. I was like, yo, it's like, you don't even Know he. You can't even hear him in the hallway. It's like he just had this light walk to him. Real humble spirit, real humble soul. But a very serious and very, you know.

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Yeah. You feel the presence when he's in a room. You feel it?

[Rory]

Yeah.

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Feel it.

[Rory]

Yeah.

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He's like. He's quiet, but it's like as deadly as shit.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

A good guy though.

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Yeah.

[G]

With his reputation. When he was managing you, do you think that helped or hurt when it came to like building politics or both? Just Chaz's reputation.

[Rory]

Both.

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It helped with the right people and it hurt with the some people who could have been the right people, but maybe they was the wrong people. Yeah. If you wanted to do a shady business deal or you wasn't coming correct. Or you had bad intentions, you definitely wasn't bringing that energy over here. It wasn't going to happen. You know what I'm trying to say? So but then the rep. A lot of these guys that's in power soft, you know what I'm saying? So they were scary and scared of us even when they didn't have to be.

[Mall]

You know what I mean?

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Chaz is cool. You can't run in a room and just smack your head off. You got to violate, then you won't get violated. You know what I'm saying?

[Mall]

The people don't do a good business.

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What was your intent? Why are you nervous? You have bad intentions or something? So it was kind of like that. That. So it was like a double edged sword. You. But I wouldn't change a thing. Keep it a hundred. I think the right people that's supposed to be around me energetically or frequency wise, they here and whoever was supposed to stay away absolutely get out of here. That's how that worked out.

[G]

Yeah.

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But it just took me longer to get here. You know what I'm saying is what it is.

[G]

Obviously you've known bleak forever, but how did the situation come about of what you guys are doing now?

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That just happened out of that song. That song changed a lot for me. And it's crazy because when people ask about the Rock Chain, I say I just manifested this shit. I made a song called Rockefeller Chain. And that's really when I clearly understood. Oh, words are really spells. Whatever you say will happen. You gotta say what you want to happen. You gotta be intentional about what the fuck you say. Cause I told the story about the Rockefeller shit in that song, made the song and boom, the chain popped out of thin air. You know what I'm saying? So it was like. It was just a song at first. Like, I heard the beat, and I've been 38 special. Made the beat. Shout out to 38.

[Mall]

Shout out to 38.

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And I was sitting on a beat for mad long, but I was like, it sounded like an old school hov beat where I'm gonna go with this sh. So I just channeled my hov on that and I went. I did like, what would. What would hov say on his beat? If he rapped like me? If hov was grabbed, what would he say on his beat? And that's really the energy I took to the record. So I just got on my Rockefeller because it felt like an old school hov record. And then after I laid my purse, I was like, oh, no, I gotta send this to the homies. I called Freeway. I called Bleak. I think I called Beans first. Oh, okay. And I don't. He was. I don't remember what happened. I think he didn't pick up the phone. So then I called the homies. And then I saw. After I got. After I called Free, you know, I called Free Petey, and then I magically saw Bleak that same week. I was like, this can't be real.

[Mall]

Yeah.

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I was like, my nigga, I got a record for you. He's like, worse in it. He bodied it. It went crazy. That shit just fell in line, bro. It was like the universe was like, this was needed to happen.

[Rory]

Yeah.

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The alignment was crazy. How does that happen?

[Mall]

That's a testament to you as a personal graph. Cause like I said, you always been somebody that has been supportive of anybody that you fuck with. And you rock with you. Somebody that has always supported, always showed up, pulled up.

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Yeah.

[Mall]

Anybody got a video shoot? Anybody got a bat? You see graph at the battles. I'm like, this graph is everywhere. He not gonna miss nothing.

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You know, it's funny. People say that, and I be feeling like I miss anything. No, hell, I'm like, damn. Hell, all the good stuff. Like, damn. I ain't even know that was happening.

[Mall]

But that's the reason why you missed it, because you didn't know it was happening. But if you know something is happening, graph is going to be that he going to pull up the support.

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Because I'm actually having fun with this shit now. Mall. This shit is like, the last decade sucked. Like, hip hop to me wasn't. The bars didn't matter in New York for a minute. Like, the niggas that were spitting, we weren't making the money. You know what I'm Saying, that's what I mean, like, by. The bars weren't in style. The radio wasn't supporting it. The streets always going to support the bars, of course, but it wasn't making the income. So all the niggas with bars that had talent, raw talent, for real, that you really want to hear spit was probably outside trapping because you're not making no money with rap in this city. You know what I'm trying to say? It just wasn't. You weren't getting enough traction to make the kind of money you need here, because radio wasn't supporting it. So the industry wasn't supporting it. It wasn't getting the deals, you weren't getting the sponsorships, you weren't getting support, period. You know what I'm saying? So. And that was for like a decade. I was like, this shit sucks.

[G]

What year do you think it shifted back?

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In my opinion, at least when I noticed it, around the time when Griselda started popping. Okay, that's when I think people were, well, underground, started to feel mainstream. Like, underground niggas started to make thousands of dollars again. You know what I'm saying? So to me, like, the whole underground is. That's why I'm doing this, is like, it's just good music, but it's. Now it's trendy. It became cool to listen to underground around when they started to pop, you know what I'm saying?

[Mall]

It's interesting that you say Griselda and.

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Covid because niggas had to listen. There's no more clubs, but we talk about it often.

[Mall]

You go back to 2020 and just look at the albums that dropped that year.

[G]

Crazy.

[Mall]

That's one of the best years in rap I think we had in a long time. But we got some incredible rap albums in 2020. But it's interesting you say Griselda because, you know, when Griselda started to bubble and really take off, obviously I was onto them early, a little earlier. But somebody like Rock Marcy was doing that and was making that and had that sound, was making that music long.

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Before that's a fact.

[Mall]

Griselda and, you know, rock has been somebody who has stayed in his lane. Love it, has spoke to his audience, spoke to his core. And, you know, I don't pocket watch by any means, but he's doing a lot better than a lot of artists.

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That's a fact.

[Mall]

On major labels. And, you know, rock is somebody that has stayed true to his sound, his fan base, who he is. So to me, you know, I attribute a lot of What Griselda was able to do for what to what? Rock never swayed away from. Like, Rock stayed in the.

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I think they got the sauce or the business acumen from what rock was doing. Yeah, unfortunately for me, I think I just missed it. Like, I saw what Rock was doing, but I didn't see what he was doing. As a businessman, I thought I caught on late. I was late to the party with that shit. I was like, oh, that's what the fuck is going on. I figured out how those deals are structured. What's going on in that. In this whole world around Covid. That's what I figured out. I was like, oh, shit. These deals, those record deals are structured differently. It's not like the same mainstream deals. You could be a rock, Marcy, a Westside gun, a graff, a stove guard, and make more money than a nigga that signed. Hell, he's platinum, you know what I'm saying? Way more brand. Because the way the deals are structured and the way the fans purchase music, they still buying vinyl, buying tapes, buying merch. These shows are sold off on the stage to the fucking door, right? Other niggas that sign that may have radio spins. Y' all only getting support when you have a record out. We're hot forever, right? You know, we don't need an actual record. Some of these records, hottest records, don't even have a hook, just bars. You know what I'm saying? So it's a different world. And the business deals are structured to match that world. I just figured that out kind of late.

[Rory]

Yeah, Yeah.

[G]

I mean, Griselda showed, even if they weren't the first to do it, that they had actual, like, valuable consumers that return. They're buying the show ticket, they're buying the shirt, they're buying the vinyl. And. And they'll also go explore the other people in this underground worlds. Like west side will even say, he's obviously not the best rapper in Griselda, but look at all the people he introduced us to in that underground world. Because he built this community of people that also want to go research and find other artists like that.

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Right?

[G]

So that's where I think Griselda really spread it spread that entire movement. Even people that weren't on Griselda, you'd be like, oh, is he was boldy signed at Griselda? No, no, they just. It's just that from that world, like.

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The fans here care about the culture. They care about every aspect of it. I did two tours with Benny, actually. Matter of fact, I'm going overseas With Benny again right now in August. We're going doing Denmark with him in August. And I got my own situations in London. But so we touring again. But I did. I did Europe with him, I think last year. And I went and we toured this country too. You know what I'm saying? And every show sold out with hip hop fans that give a. About the culture.

[Rory]

Right?

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I care about the culture, dog. I ain't gonna front. Yeah. That's why it's fun for me now. Because this. This shit matters in a way that the listeners want to hear. It matter. And it matters monetarily, both sides of the scale. I was always true to the art, but when it wasn't making money, I was in the street, you know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

Right.

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That wasn't fun.

[Rory]

Right?

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Right.

[G]

Yeah.

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And I was like, I'm happy to say I bowed out of that. And I'm just rap.

[Rory]

Yeah.

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And that is paying the bills this year. My family.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[G]

Much better. I mean, facts. We happen to be in London the same time rock was performing. I forgot the name of that festival. Do you remember what it was? I'm never gonna guess. But we were there at the same time, so we went to go see the show.

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Right?

[G]

I mean, how many people do you think were under that tent, bro?

[Mall]

That was thousands, right?

[G]

I would say three to 4,000.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[G]

To me, every word that was coming.

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Out of rock, it's crazy.

[G]

Rocked for a whole hour. That whole front row did not miss a single lyric.

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I was like, I love it.

[G]

Damn that.

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And that's the only place so far to date, career wise, to me that I've experienced that. Like when I do shows overseas, they know every word. Even to records that you might not even think is lit like that might even mean you're set. Even let me try it out here tonight. Every word.

[Rory]

Yeah.

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I'm like, they appreciate the bars, they appreciate the culture, and I appreciate them for that.

[Mall]

Why do you think New York radio doesn't support the bar spitters in New York?

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Why? It's a fucking great question. I don't know why, to be honest. Cause I still be trying to get my shit played up. Then it don't work. I've been stopped chasing radio because they don't get it. I don't understand why. And I always said this. I was like, I understand what you got to do to keep the lights on. Sell like, sell commercial space. I get it. The radio is not designed for music. It is a business to sell ads. So I can do whatever it takes to keep people coming. But what the fuck makes you think that bars don't keep people coming as well?

[Rory]

Right?

[Graph]

You can have 90% of the shit y' all play and still squeeze in some real hip hop. You can play a graph, a stove. The fucking Benny record every now and then.

[Rory]

Right.

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Once a day is not gonna kill you.

[Rory]

Right.

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And people will tune in because they give a fuck about it. We wouldn't be here shining this way if people didn't care about it. So it's like you missing a whole population of people that's not even going to turn on your station because you're not playing what we actually want to hear. Everybody don't want to hear these records 24 hours a day. Slip in some dope. Yeah, I mean, it should be a balance, Especially this is New York, dog. For sure.

[G]

I feel like drew ski hot 97 supports New York and plays. I mean, obviously Rosenberg has forever, but I mean, the slot that they put him on to play the bar is like Sunday nights and Right.

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That Sunday nights at midnight. Like, why. But even like, you should be on the middle of the day. Like, why we can't get some bars in the daytime like every other song? Like you think you going to lose a bunch of listeners because you playing hip hop? You bugging. Yeah, you bugging.

[G]

I mean, do you think the person that is into bars is listening to the radio at this at this point?

[Mall]

No, they're not, because the.

[Graph]

But they would if y' all were played. That's what I'm trying to say. You missing the lost consumer base because you won't play this. They would tune in if they. Every once in a while you was playing some that we actually want to hear in New York. I'm not saying I got to do this countrywide, but this is New York, dog. What the are we doing?

[G]

Yeah, but to me, that takes a. A not a radio station, but a DJ that you trust that will put you on to something new.

[Graph]

Right.

[G]

That's kind of missing. I feel as well like there's no influencer type of DJ that I know this person is going to break a new record I've never heard before.

[Graph]

No.

[G]

And I mean, remember the article that said the podcast fans are like the most intelligent fan base or whatever? I think that way about people that are into bars. And I don't think those people are turning on the radio or wanted to listen to commercials.

[Graph]

Yeah.

[G]

They are plugging their phone up right to their car and don't really give a fuck.

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That's a fact.

[G]

About listening to the radio to begin with.

[Mall]

But I attribute. I mean, you know, because I've been outside for some years. There's a reason why I feel like the decline in New York rap is happening. I mean, if you look at these radio stations, the programming directors are probably not even from New York.

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Been like that.

[G]

Just blame Ebro, man.

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I was about to say that.

[Mall]

You said it.

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Blame for me.

[Mall]

I don't want to just put blame on Ebro, but I'm just saying, like, he was one of the guys that was program directed, that wasn't from the city.

[Graph]

Yeah.

[Mall]

So it's like, you know, I don't.

[Graph]

Think he understood the culture of the city at the time when he was pd. That's my opinion.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Graph]

But he did his. He did his job. He had a job to do, and he did it. I don't think he understood the 5 of what was going on outside. And that's no disrespect to him. I said, but you. You're not from here. So that. That would explain why you might not understand what's going on in Southside or in the Bronx or in the Brooklyn, because you probably never even been to those areas for real for. Or hung out there. Like, you don't know the texture of the city because you're not from here.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Graph]

So it's not his fault all day.

[Mall]

But to me, even look at that Summer Jam. It's the reason they had to downsize. They go from MetLife Stadium. Summer Jam used to be the concert that we all looked forward to.

[G]

Yeah, but I mean, they also now have to compete with so many other festivals, and they're working off a local radio budget. Like, I give them some grace there.

[Graph]

Nah, I don't. I don't blame. People ain't tapping in because y' all missing all the people that we care about.

[G]

Okay. All right. I forgot the lineup this year, but last year's lineup, that was the most New York City lineup I think they've ever done.

[Graph]

I don't remember that.

[G]

And I'm not here to defend Hot 97.

[Graph]

I. I don't think.

[G]

I just feel for them now because it's. They're competing against. Iheartmedia is like their direct competitor that has Prince money on Canal street.

[Graph]

Like. Right.

[G]

What can they really do? They can't get MetLife right now with. With how much radio has suffered with ad dollars.

[Graph]

Like, but. But I saw. So what changed in terms of ad dollars? I mean, it was always high 97. It was always iheart.

[G]

So what changed no, hot 97 was like Ms. Or something. I'm talking about power 105. And all that is is the I heart conglomerate stuff.

[Graph]

Right.

[G]

Hot 97 is still like a local radio station.

[Graph]

So is Power Concerts bigger than, than Hot 97 concerts?

[G]

I mean, I think Powerhouse probably has.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Better.

[Graph]

They are, yeah, sure.

[G]

But then also like, I'm sure they've tried to reach out to a bunch of artists, but if that artist is getting a better offer with festivals that are sponsored by Verizon, like, Nah, sorry, Hot 97. I'm not flying to New York to break even.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Graph]

So you think people are saying no to the concerts, that's why they gain smaller? Is that what's happening?

[G]

I just don't think how 97 can keep up with how much artists are making based off festivals and their own tours. They can't keep up with that fee, so.

[Graph]

But a lot of artists, in my opinion will still support and do the show if they were getting support at the station.

[G]

That's a fair point.

[Graph]

When you were playing the shit that, that we all want to hear, niggas gonna show up because they, when you, when you are booked on a bill, they play you.

[G]

Yeah.

[Graph]

So it's like if we know we're gonna do this show, even if you had to do it for dirt cheap, but you're gonna get support all year.

[G]

You're gonna do the also. I have to.

[Graph]

Absolutely.

[G]

In that, that time you're talking about where HOT was not supporting New York artists. Do we think New York artists were making great music at that time?

[Graph]

At that time? Certain some of them were, but also a lot of dudes felt the need to compromise and try to get support. Cause they couldn't get support for what they were actually making. So when they were staying true to the music, you weren't getting support. I've been in a club with other New York artists and watched the DJ shout out the out of towner dudes. And you sitting there feeling like, what the fuck? We're here, we are from here. We in the club. If I go to Miami or if I go to Atlanta or I go to Houston and New York, niggas in the club, those DJs are gonna make sure you know where the fuck you at. They're gonna shout out their artists, they're gonna big them up. This is Houston, nigga.

[Mall]

This is Miami.

[Graph]

You gonna know where you're at, you're gonna energy and they're going to make sure that. I feel like we lost our identity during that time. Like we were only supporting out of town. It's only excited to break records that will pop into other towns. Why the. Do you think those records are popping other towns? Because the DJs and the people broke the. So you know about the record to go run in New York and play it because somebody, another DJ broke it in his town, right? You would do the same thing in your town, dog.

[Rory]

Right?

[Graph]

You could break a record, they get excited about playing somewhere else. But we would do that. We were just running to whatever was shaking, not realizing why it's popping. It's popping because somebody stood on the right and made sure it got heard. We lost that for a minute.

[Mall]

I believe. I believe that 100.

[Graph]

I used to frustrate me. I said, but I'm watching it. Like watching it. You just run it. Yo, check this new record out that's popping in Atlanta. Why is it popping in Atlanta?

[Rory]

Right?

[Graph]

Cause a DJ broke the shit. You could break here too, right?

[G]

I mean, I think something that's never brought up during that time in New York. I don't think it was a lack of talented rappers.

[Graph]

Never.

[G]

It was a lack of talented producers. We had no. Our sound was boom bap. Which radio had moved on from. Like there would be. Every now and then they'd catch a boom bappy record that would be a single on radio. But that everything went down to trap.

[Graph]

True.

[G]

If we had five more Harry Frauds. Yeah, maybe New York would be in a different place. We. We don't have producers. That's.

[Graph]

That's.

[G]

We have no sound anymore.

[Graph]

You.

[G]

You need to make good songs to go on the radio. True, you could rap your ass off.

[Mall]

But you don't have good producers when.

[Graph]

You'Re not getting the support. Then how do you gauge what's good?

[G]

Like legacy.

[Graph]

Here's a crazy question I always ask. What is a hit per se. Like if I make a record that sounds like it could be a hit but it doesn't get played and nobody ever hears it and it does. No, it does no streams. Is it a hit. But if you play it a million times, the shit gonna blow the fuck up. Like the songs that blow up get supported if they didn't get supported. Like the records that we are trying to push. That's not. Weren't getting supported in that decade, would it still be a hit? You need support. You need support to even know if the record works or not.

[Mall]

You know what I'm saying? Because all of that is just again, programming, right?

[Graph]

Without programming, how likely you're comparing the.

[Mall]

Record yeah, like eventually I'm gonna be like, I'm gonna start tapping my foot to this shit. I'm gonna know the words.

[Graph]

So. But think about it. If the records that are getting programmed don't get programmed, is it still a hit?

[Mall]

Right.

[Graph]

The shit would have zero spins. You would be like, oh, this record flop. But it's really ahead and it gets supported. That's what we're going through, right? So how the fuck do we even know if the records are good or not? They don't get a chance to even be tested, right? You just going with the program and playing what you think is gonna work. Either cause you got paid or whatever the reason is, or the name, the names, all of that shit. But it's like, how do you know what an actual hit is? It's not a hit till it gets programmed. So if we have all these records here that could be dope, maybe they're dope, maybe they not. Who knows? They don't. We don't have a chance to even know if the hits or not because not getting support, right? So the records that are popping are a part of the program, Right. They're not necessarily better records. They just promoted.

[Mall]

So makes a lot of sense.

[G]

I mean, they went through that. That even goes back to when everyone just started focusing on data outside of like ars.

[Graph]

That's. Yeah, that's another thing.

[G]

But also when technology flip for radio, they can see exactly when someone changes the channel on their radio. So if they try to sandwich a record between a hit and just to try something. Let's work. Let's just throw this record in here and see what it does. Most people that like radio, if they don't hear something they have. Haven't heard already, they're gonna go to the next station to find something that they've heard already.

[Graph]

True.

[G]

So they're. It's people that have no idea about the feeling of music. So they're just looking at the data. Oh, everyone turned the radio off when you tried that, Right? Like, all right, give it a chance.

[Mall]

Yeah, but.

[G]

No, I'm just saying. But they all, they all have a job to keep. Like they.

[Graph]

I get it.

[G]

At the end of the month they have to show numbers.

[Graph]

No, that's a fact.

[G]

And they're not going to be there like fully understanding music. They're there because they understand data.

[Graph]

Exactly. It's true.

[G]

We don't play that song.

[Mall]

Yeah. But radio, they never listen.

[G]

They looking at the title and the drop off.

[Mall]

Radio is weird.

[Graph]

Not to cut you. I'm telling You a crazy thing to support that. What he's saying is 100, right? I was in. My man is a data analyst. Data data analyst, right? So I was in a meeting one time where they're just looking at numbers. And I'm going to say what artist this was. But I remember they were in a meeting just looking at the numbers, and his numbers were crazy. But the artist sucked. And I'm in a meeting and everybody looked at the number spikes of this particular artist, and it was like, look at these numbers. Let's sign it and go with it. Somebody in the room says, did you hear what the music sound like? They laughed like, who gives a fuck what it sounds like? Look at these numbers. So he's right. It was never about the sound. It was never about what's actually dope. Because culture doesn't really matter when you're looking at numbers. And he's right. It's always only about number. They laughed when somebody said, did you hear the record? They were like, hit a record for what?

[Rory]

Right?

[Graph]

Sign that shit, put it out, right? It was trash. I ain't gonna say who it was, but we all try. They popular now, but shit was trash. I was like, oh, here we go. Got them numbers, though, dog. Yeah, but Radio, I get it. I get it.

[Mall]

This is why I don't. Because sometimes I find myself like, let me just hear what radio is doing.

[G]

I didn't know him too.

[Mall]

And you listening. It's the same eight, nine artists in an hour, right? If it's not your record, you're featured on the record of the artists that's part of the eight, nine artists that they play in an hour. So I'm like, yo, damn, this record, Damn. I don't want. I'm tired of hearing this record. Let me turn to another station. Turn to the other station. They're playing the record that just went off right on the station I just turned from. I'm like, yo, bro, what is this game?

[Graph]

That's the game, bro, that is being.

[Mall]

Played like there's way more music than these 14 records you're playing in an hour, right?

[Graph]

But it's the programming. They gotta go with the numbers. And who got the paper? Who's paying to play those slots? Already paid for. It's just business. But who's to say another record wouldn't work in that slot? I can guarantee you, I can show you 10 records that work in that fucking slot. They're not gonna get the light of day because the numbers in the programming ain't there. Yeah, I Mean, that's the game. I understand the game. That's why I said I was even blaming Ebro. I understand the game. But I'm saying that is a part of why New York City was like, you know our sound.

[G]

Yeah.

[Graph]

Because our playlist matched Atlantis playlist at one time. And I was like, where the fuck are the New York artists? We don't. We're not even on the playlist in this city.

[G]

I mean, listen, I feel like that happened far before we thought the fall of New York. Like, I love Big Boy in la. Remember that weird time when he was like, syndicated on Hot 97 for a second?

[Graph]

Right?

[G]

Yo, we can't. There's no one in New York.

[Mall]

Yeah, it's weird. It's weird.

[G]

Legend, great. Nobody else, like, right? We have to get somebody from LA who already has a show.

[Mall]

That's crazy when you think about that.

[G]

And this was far before the, like, New York drop, but it was just small signs times before that of like.

[Graph]

But with that mentality, how could an artist like me not feel away? When I'm looking at this, I'm like, yo, bro, we here putting in pain. Like, how could I not feel away watching this? It's insane to me. It's insanity. I remember being in a club one night with a bunch of other artists that from New York, who was relevant in this town. And the DJs were only shouting out the out of town dudes. I went to the booth like, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah, like, we here. Let them niggas know we here. You bugging. This is New York.

[Mall]

We here every night.

[Graph]

This is New York City.

[Rory]

Right?

[Graph]

Like, they should know they in New York. They not in their hometown. I'm sure they came here expecting to feel the vibe in New York, and they not. They probably feel that they in their hometown.

[Mall]

And that's the funny part. A lot of them come here wanting to see, of course, what the New York sounded, what they doing.

[Graph]

We go to other cities. We want to see what's going on. If I go to Atlanta, Miami, I want to see what's shaking in your city. I appreciate the fact that the town will let me know where I'm at. I don't feel like, oh, no. I feel like, yeah, I'm in Miami or I'm in Atlanta. Y' all should be stunting and making sure we know where the fuck we at.

[Rory]

Right.

[Graph]

I'm appreciating your sound. I'm like, oh, that record is popping. Oh, son, right there. Who? Son, I'm Lee Goo Son, let me shazam it. I'm not hip to this. I'm like, I bet. I appreciate this shit. Cause this is not my town. I want to be hip to what's going on. I wanted to go there and see what's going on in my town. I'm not in my town.

[Rory]

Right.

[Graph]

But I appreciate the culture in that way. So it's like, to see we were. That we were lost for a long time. This is like a decade. I'm like, bro, this sucks.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Graph]

It's like, you know, I'm thinking about all the records, all the artists that pop from New York. They didn't pop in New York. From the Frenches to Nicki to all the people that pop. The. Our biggest stars had to leave. Yeah, they had to leave New York to get it popping started.

[Mall]

Making this whole different type of sound. French was like, he ain't look back, bro.

[Graph]

Did he have a choice?

[Mall]

Nah.

[Graph]

Being from here, he wasn't getting the support.

[Mall]

I ain't mad at him.

[Graph]

He wasn't getting the support. That's sad. Our biggest stars had to leave New York to get popping in New York. What the fuck? What are we doing to make New York pay attention? You have to get popping somewhere else and be like, oh, his record is popping Atlanta.

[Mall]

That's when they want to claim yo, New York. New York wouldn't support him, though.

[Graph]

So you want to play him because he's from here, but you want to play him because he's shaking in Atlanta now, right? What the. What the entire is going on here?

[Mall]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Graph]

Come on.

[G]

French didn't go back. Back to speaking of Harry Fraud again, like, back to more of his New York sound until after he popped with.

[Graph]

Another sound and he popped in another state.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Graph]

And then New York was like, oh, let's support him now because he's popping in Atlanta. Come on, bro. I could have did that right here.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Graph]

I could have broke that record right here. But he had to leave and get a shake in some wells for you to support him here.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Graph]

Come on.

[Mall]

I always tell a story. I was in. I was in.

[Graph]

Since that was the worst time in hip hop, man.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah. One of the nastiest times. I was in Sin City the night that Future brought the Tony Montana to New York. Nobody knew the song, right. It was just this tall dude with dreads jumping up and down. You know how Sin City was set up. He jumping up and down, and me and my boy was sitting there, was like, oh, this must be his record. No, we Nobody knew this Tony Montana record, but it was catchy, right? So we like, okay, that gotta be his record. So funny how shit works. We leaving Sin City, we in the car. So we like, yo, let's go to the diner, get something to eat. So when we ordering food, we like, let me get that turkey bacon. Tony Montana. Like, that was the thing the rest of the night. And I'm like, that's how it works, though. Like, you hear a record, a good one, see a guy that's, like, obviously energetic. This is his shit. And then now, like, we making a joke, but it's like, yo, that shit was catchy. And then, like, I think maybe a month later, I think Drake remixed it.

[Graph]

I think Drake might have. I think it was Drake.

[Mall]

I think Drake had a Tony Montana verse. I think so, yeah. And after that, it was out of. But Atlanta artist in one of the most prominent strip clubs in New York City in the Bronx, brings his record there. DJ plays his record. Nope, we didn't know this record. First time I've ever heard that song two months later. I mean, now that that artist is.

[Graph]

Future, and I bet you that record was shaking. Where he was from first, we were excited. We were excited to play out of Towner's Records here. We weren't excited to play our own Nick. Yeah, we were excited. He probably came and was like, yeah, bring them in. We can't wait to support you. Yeah, but you don't have the energy for your own people here.

[Mall]

It's nasty.

[Graph]

What the.

[Mall]

Yeah, it's nasty.

[G]

I mean, outside of just region stuff, but bar stuff. I haven't listened to the radio since the Clips album came out. But does the Clips album play on radio?

[Mall]

I haven't listened to radio.

[Graph]

I think they're playing the single. They're playing the one with Kendrick on it. That's. If it's not in rotation, it's definitely a mixture. Mix your rotation.

[Mall]

Yeah, I appreciate it.

[Graph]

Play that. It's dope. It's culture.

[Mall]

Yeah. No, the album is.

[G]

And we was talking about that Kendrick thing like. Or is like Ace Trumpets playing when they first. I think that was the first single, right?

[Graph]

I mean, Eclipse, produced by Pharrell. It's gonna get some support. It's like. But it's. But. But it's dope in its culture. So I'm saying play that for that reason. Yeah, but it's the Clips and Pharrell. You're not like Kendrick or not.

[G]

No, I was gonna bring up the Pharrell part because obviously Clips is bars, but Right. The separation between everything on that is Pharrell.

[Graph]

Yeah. For real. That's. But that's culture, though. Even though he's a hit making ass dude, that's still hip hop culture.

[Mall]

Absolutely.

[Graph]

So I'm like, support that. Even though it's. You're gonna support it anyway, but it's like, yeah, I'm happy to see that happening.

[Mall]

What did you think about the album? The Clips album?

[Graph]

That was dope. I keep it a buck. I think it's dope. It sounded like what I expected it to sound like. It's dope. They singing about bricks and shit, and it was dope. That Malice found a way to balance that shit. Yeah. That was fire. I appreciate it. I was like, yo, he. He freaked that.

[Mall]

I mean, a lot of people first saw pov.

[G]

I think it's one of the best versions of the year so far. Which one pov?

[Graph]

Which one is that?

[G]

Malice, when he said I was the only one that made it out free, like, he just pretty much goes through that whole. His whole last 10 years.

[Graph]

I'm jacking that whole.

[Mall]

Yeah, his verse on Fico is crazy.

[Graph]

Yeah. Yeah, I was jacking that too. He had a. He caught a couple bodies on there.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I mean, this. This list little things online, but people are saying, like, he might have outperformed Push on this.

[Graph]

A word.

[Mall]

Yeah. I've been seeing a few people say that.

[G]

But Push would even say back in the day in the early clip, like, malice was. He turned everything around. Like, it was always malice. And we always. With Push. But malice. I remember being like the one one.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[G]

Then when Push went solo, it was like, oh, never mind. Push, right? You nice.

[Graph]

Nice. You know what's funny? I always like.

[G]

It was always malice.

[Graph]

That's just my. My particular.

[G]

I always prefer Push's voice over malice.

[Graph]

Yeah, I like. I like. But Malice got bars, though. Don't get. They both dope.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Graph]

That's just my taste. I just like the way the nigga, bro. I like the way when they both perform. I liked how pushed through his. I was like, I like something right there. This before I even knew who they was. Like that from the beginning, grinding and all that. The way he do his. I was like. I just. I just resonated more with the way he's delivered his bars. But same nasty. Yeah. I like the whole project. Oh. It's on my gym rotation. Once you make it to my gym.

[Mall]

Playlist, that test, right?

[Graph]

Yeah. You made it. You platinum.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

To take the. Take my shirt off.

[G]

Take your shirt off. To the clips.

[Mall]

I don't want to know your take your shirt off playlist.

[Graph]

I don't want to know that.

[G]

Mal, you were saying off mic. You feel like some of the people online are lying about their love for the clips.

[Mall]

But we. Because we've seen it before, like, when a lot of things online, you know, you have this. This culture online where people wait to see what other people think first.

[Graph]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And then they'll jump in on whatever seems to be the more popular. Even though they haven't heard the album, they haven't seen the movie, they haven't watched the show. Like, there's a culture of people that do that with the clips, with the clips album in particular. You know, I like to watch people's reactions and things that they're saying. But it's just funny because a lot of people that I'm seeing love the album, which I think the album is dope. Just a year ago, maybe the same type of sound and bars and music, you know, a lot of these people were not supporting and they didn't like it. They're like, oh, no, that's trash. Nobody want to hear that shit.

[Graph]

Right?

[Mall]

The clips stay true to their formula. They don't change who they are, their content, pretty much. They always gave us high level, slick talk. You know what I'm saying? And they didn't sway away from that on this project at all. So to see people supporting that now, when a lot of artists that. That, you know, talk the way the clips talk, have been doing it for years and they don't support it, they're like, nobody want to hear that shit. I'm just like, but why do y' all support this? But then guys that have been doing this, maybe not to this exact level, because obviously everybody doesn't have a Pharrell in their back pocket like that. But the content and the energy and the aesthetic was still that. Y' all don't support that. But because y' all see the outpouring support for the clips, which they deserve it on this project now it's like, oh, yeah, nah, this is what we need. This is culture. This is. And I'm like, but it's dudes that been doing this type of shit that y' all don't support. That's the only thing that I don't like. It's like, don't wait for somebody to tell you what's dope. If you like it, like it. If you don't like it, you don't like it.

[Graph]

Like you said, some of them are probably just capping the gas in it. Because now the quote, unquote, underground, which I'm replaced, that we're culture, the culture is trendy. It's cool to say, oh, that's dope. To be attached to anything that's culture or bars or hip hop now. It's cool to do that now. Before it wasn't before. I want to hear that. That lyrical mirror. I don't want to hear that. Now it's cool to act like you're down with culture, right? So that's. That's a part of that whole thing I was talking about earlier. Like, it is literally, you see even, like pop stars or rich people that's not in tune at all rushing to be attached to culture at this point. Of course, because now it's trendy to be attached to culture. And what. What quote, unquote, seemed underground before is now, in my opinion, more mainstream because the stars align and actual superstars are rushing to be next to this shit. You know what I'm trying to say? This is like the era. Like, if Chaz lived now, you would see the most poppiest pop star trying to stand next to negative flick. Yeah, we in that kind of climate. Like, oh, this. Oh, yeah, they're gangster. In real culture.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Graph]

Get Justin Bieber with a flick with Jasper. Yeah. Is that type of time. We on that type of time right now? That's the culture we in. But I'm all for it. Cause I'm making more money in this shit. I'm like, go ahead. Praise this shit. Go ahead. I ain't no.

[Mall]

I mean, but guys like you, you've been. You've seen it up, down, you've seen all types of changes. You've seen artists come and go. So I'm sure for you, now you're seeing it like, okay, like, now they finally coming around.

[Graph]

I appreciate it. Now I'm like, yeah, y' all should be listening to this. Y' all should appreciate it. So whatever got y' all here, I'm just glad you're welcome. You're in the. I'm glad. Stay for a while.

[Mall]

Stay right.

[Graph]

Enjoy yourself. Take your shoes off, chill. Glad you here. Yeah, like, I'm as glad. I'm just glad it's occurring now. Yeah, that's why I said now is actually fun. Like. Like how you said before it mattered. I'm sure bars mattered before somewhere. I just didn't. I didn't get the invite to that the Bars Matter party. Now I see it. I can feel the difference. I'm like, oh, y' all niggas give a fuck about this shit now? Yeah, I want to hear this again. I've been at events where a DJ would play some hip hop shit and I hear like, people that you would think are down with this be like, man, turn that shit off. Nobody don't hear that. Like under their voice. I'd be like, you're a rapper, sir.

[G]

Yeah.

[Graph]

Thought you would want to hear this shit.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Graph]

And I'd be like, man, turn that shit. Nobody want to hear that. I'm like, really? I want to hear this shit. I'm still into it.

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[Mall]

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[Mall]

I don't have nothing against Puerto and I don't think Joe Peach should be mad at me.

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[Agusto Papa]

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[Mall]

What do you feel about. Because you somebody that's had your fair share of bars directed at other artists and MCs.

[Graph]

And yeah, I talk.

[Mall]

Had your battles and things like that.

[G]

You were shooting at everybody.

[Mall]

No graphic. Yeah, yeah.

[Graph]

Switch switches on.

[G]

Look where he was aiming anyone that was around.

[Mall]

You've had your. You've had your fair share of those moments. What do you feel about the whole Joyner Lucas Skepta USA versus the UK energy? That's.

[Graph]

I'm glad you asked me that. I love what Joyner's doing because he's nice and I don't think niggas can with him lyrically. Joy. That's my nigga too. Shout out to Joyner. Actually, my last tour was with Joyner. Shout out to Joyner. And my next single got him on it too, by the way. Oh, far shout out to Joyner. But one. I want to keep it in perspective. I want the battle to stay uk. I mean, stay Joyner versus Skepta. This is not US versus uk. And I'm glad we talking about this now because I was actually going to make a video about this shit on my page and I don't have to. Joyner is a lyrical beast. He gonna try to shoot at whoever he's wet. He with the smoke. He could rap his ass off. And he's with it. You know what I'm saying? And Skeptic apparently is with it too, which is good for the culture. I just don't want to hear that UK versus US because it's not that shit like that. I don't know how it actually started because I didn't pay attention all the way, but I did. Somebody told me that that Skepta said he. Skeptic said it all, but says some about UK versus us, right? Well, this is my question to him. Or I don't know if he realizes that if Skepta does a show in New York City, it's going to be sold out. New York City with you, dog. What the are you talking about?

[Mall]

Yeah, but it wasn't a negative thing.

[Graph]

It wasn't like why even introduce that energy when we fuck with you?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Graph]

Like, it's not like back in the days where the UK was fighting for the support of the respect they feel they weren't getting. Y' all niggas is representing the culture. You're spitting bars we enjoy what y' all niggas are doing. Y' all welcome. We felt. Look, me and Giggs made a banger on 38. Special album. Everybody loves this shit. Like, if Giggs does a show in New York, it's sold out. Skeptic comes here, it's sold out. If fucking any of the top dudes. Not even top any. Anybody that's repping the culture, right? Come here and do a show.

[Mall]

You support it, we support it.

[Graph]

We love what you're doing. What the fuck are you talking about? Why even introduce that energy when it doesn't exist? We f with y'.

[G]

All.

[Mall]

Yeah, I think it was just for sport. But I did love what Gig said, though. I love what Giggs said. He put it in perspect. Like, you know, no disrespect, but guys like Skepta, if it's gonna be a UK US Thing, somebody like Skepta isn't the one. Cause Skepta's more grind.

[Graph]

Right? Right.

[Mall]

But when you got guys like Potter, Paper and Ramsey and Chip and, you know, you got guys, Jay Huss, guys that could really, you know, really rap, they'll tell you immediately, like, yo, we get what we do from those guys from the U.S. like, we watch that culture. We supported that culture. We've studied it. The reason we do what we do and why we do what we do is because those guys from in the US So they'll let you know, like, we not even.

[Graph]

And they would rather collab with niggas.

[Mall]

Oh, absolutely. But I like it because people from here who may not know about a lot of those guys, that's really dope in the uk to me, something like this sets the stage and a platform for people to just get an ear onto those guys that like, oh, shit, they rapping like that over there, like, yeah, I know that because, you know, I got one of my close friends, international Ferg, he's really tapped in, and he puts me on. He'll just send me songs, and I'm like, yo, who is this dude? He like, yo, he's like the J. Cole over there. He's like the. So I'm listening to these dudes with a different ear. So I know the guys that are over there. But Giggs put it in perspective. Like, you won't have. For lack of better terms, you won't have a guy that's hyphy. Make the hyphy sound. Trying to battle a mc. It's like, that's not what. It's not even. It's a totally different thing. It's a totally different part of the culture. Respect to what they do. But. But they can't try to set a stage for that type of battle because that's not the type of shit that they do. So I thought what Giggs did the video with that Giggs shout out to my guy, my brother Giggs, I love that he put out a dope video. Just addressing it and just putting it in perspective. But I did like the energy of Skepta. Like, yo, I rap. Anytime an artist does that.

[Graph]

I'm not mad at the energy at all. That's the one thing I wanna say. I like when niggas are with the smoke. Cause I was always with smoke my whole fucking career.

[Mall]

But.

[Graph]

But maybe because I'm a street dude, I look at shit a certain kind of way. When you talk about hip hop battling in this coast versus that coast or this country versus that coast, I always take it to the street. Cause it could easily go there if I look at the bigger picture. Because I have to. Cause the way I move and the way I think, I don't think it's just bars. Nah. Cause if I battle you, I'm not a good sport, nigga. I don't know how to play by the rules. Sometimes you might say the wrong thing to me and I know I see you in person. If I feel away way, I' ma let you know that. You know what I'm saying. I don't know how to. I don't know how to abide by the rule. That's why I never did battle rap on the big stages. Because I can't watch you talking my face crazy. Yeah, I'm just not built for that. I wasn't blessed with that.

[Mall]

Yeah, you gonna the whole battle.

[Graph]

God didn't bless you with that kind of patience and tolerance. I just don't know how to do that. Yeah, but I command the that do. I'm not even questioning they gangster at all. I'm just saying I don't know how to do that.

[Mall]

Right, right.

[Graph]

I'm probably good in my feelings. And rock your jawbone. Yeah, that's gonna be off. Off unhinged.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Graph]

I don't know how to do that. I'm not mature enough yet. Give me some time to grow into that.

[Rory]

Yeah, well.

[G]

And some of your back and forth. In some of your back and forths. Did you ever feel that way?

[Graph]

Always. Like any. When I'm talking shit, I'm always ready to fight. Because I don't know how to do it. The Other way.

[Mall]

Okay?

[Graph]

So that's why I think this way. When I hear uk, I'm like, nah, erase that. It's not UK versus y'. All. Because I. When I go over there, it's love. I'm going to collaborate with niggas and cook up. You know what I'm gonna say now? If somebody called me out directly, it's gonna be me versus you, nigga. Yeah, it's the same thing. When I watched Drake vs Kendrick, I was like, kendrick outsmarted you by making it Drake vs. Cali. You didn't see that chess move. I was like. I was trying to like, yo, bro, you gotta check that chess move. But, like, I love Cali, but let me keep this battle right here. He outsmarted you with that one checkmate. He put you versus a coast instead of you versus another artist. You ain't. You missed that. But that's. That was a small play. But that was a checkmate to me. And so you gotta watch those things and keep it in perspective. It was supposed to be Drake vs. Kendrick. It became Drake vs. Cali. You fucked up and allowed that to happen. So I like what Giggs did. Cause gig as an emcee is like, nah, Giggs ain't jumping out there saying, I'm testing the US if he was gonna go at somebody, he probably gonna call that person out and go at that person.

[Rory]

Right.

[Graph]

Because shit could get messy, in my opinion.

[Rory]

Right.

[Graph]

It could get. Especially with, like, I ain't the only nigga that think like this.

[Mall]

Oh, definitely. Definitely.

[G]

I think Giggs thinks that way 100%.

[Graph]

He be over here. Giggs are probably over here now.

[Mall]

Yeah, no, yeah, he's definitely downtown right now.

[Graph]

That's what I'm saying. He ain't thinking about battling the whole state I'm collaborating with out here. Yeah. He basically live here. So it's like, that ain't the mentality that. That. That we need to be promoting at this point of our careers. It should be collaboration, should be touring. Because a tour with Joyner and Skepta is going to do way more effective than a battle. But I'm enjoying the battle. But imagine if they was like, yo, I want to collaborate with in the.

[Mall]

US let's do a UK US Tour.

[Graph]

We gonna make more money doing that shit.

[Rory]

Yeah, like.

[Graph]

And connecting. But I do, like, I'm all with the smoke, so I'm a fan of that. But keep it like that. Don't make it US versus. Nah, it ain't us versus UK because we ain't mad at you, right? At all.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Graph]

Sell out. We supportive.

[Mall]

Yeah. 100.

[G]

I mean, I think it's gonna end with them doing a record together.

[Graph]

I mean, in my opinion, because I don't. If it. If it doesn't get to a certain level of disrespect, then it can.

[G]

It's really light right now. Nobody to me said anything crazy, but.

[Graph]

When it stays like that, that's amazing. I have to learn that skill. I don't got with that. I wasn't born with that. I'm a disrespectful. So I'm like, I watch how I approach certain situations. I know where I'm gonna go.

[G]

What's a bar that was directed at you that pissed you off the most in your entire career?

[Mall]

The most.

[Rory]

Damn.

[Graph]

Damn. I don't know.

[Mall]

Yeah, I want to know.

[Graph]

I don't think I approached anything that pissed me off that much yet. I didn't get there because I would have heard about the fight that happened after. I'm not mature enough yet. I'm. I'm growing. I'm getting there.

[Mall]

There was nobody, nobody said nothing that you was like, yo, nah, it was a couple.

[Graph]

But nothing that got me mad enough to want to get physical. It's like, it kept. It was rap.

[G]

We gonna keep it raped. The one that was the closest to that line or that just was like, kind of pissed you off a little bit, like, all right, I ain't like that one.

[Mall]

Or looking back, which one did you hear? And you was like, you ain't like it. But then that was clever, though. That was slick.

[Graph]

It wasn't that many that bothered me on that level, I swear to God.

[Mall]

But what was one that was like, okay, that was fly.

[Graph]

When me and Joe Button had our tiff earlier in, in the rap, I was. I would have definitely got physical at that time, you know what I'm saying? But it didn't go there lyrically. It didn't get disrespectful. It was just little jabs here and there.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Graph]

Even, like, even early in my career with me and 50, it was never. It was never disses. It was just. I got. I got a smart ass mouth. He says, crazy, but neither one of us ever got disrespectful. That's why we all friends. You know what I'm gonna say? It's like, everybody's all cool. It never got to a level of, oh, shit, I'm. I'm in my room, punch in the air. Like, nah, it never got to those levels with, with Nobody for real. Which I'm grateful for because I could build with all these.

[G]

I think the 50 and graph beat outside looking in, I thought that was, like, gonna go further.

[Graph]

It could have, but it never got disrespectful because it wasn't about me. It was really. 50 had an issue with Chad.

[G]

Yeah, yeah.

[Graph]

He never said. And I said a bunch of small with his name in it, but I never looked disrespectful. It was just lyrical. He probably was like, okay, that was witty. He probably listened, but like, mm, I don't like it. But I'm not mad. Cause it's not disrespectful. It's just witty shit. Like, I was always saying witty shit with his name in it. But it was never like a disrespectful diss. You know what I'm trying to say? It was always.

[Mall]

It's a fine line of hip hop. Yeah.

[Graph]

It's like.

[G]

It's witty and then it's 50 loves to cross.

[Mall]

50 loves to cross.

[Graph]

Exactly. But think about it. We all know each other personalities. You know when the person is just fucking around and you know when they being disrespectful.

[Mall]

Absolutely.

[Graph]

Y' all know my personality. Just like I know your personality, Right? None of us ever crossed the line and went to the disrespectful part. Because I'm the disrespectful nigga. I'm just using your name in a witty way. You might not like it, but you still be like, all right, it's cool. But he ain't go there. You know what I'm trying to say? You still respect the fact that I didn't go there, but I go there all the time. You know what I'm saying? But I didn't go there with your name. But I go there on a regular basis.

[Mall]

Right?

[Graph]

So that's how I look at shit. If you say it in a way, and it's like, all right, that was some rap shit. Cool, we'll keep it here then. You don't feel no way. For real. It doesn't feel like a street thing. Because it can. Any of these battles can go street. Look at even Joey Badass and.

[G]

Rayvon.

[Graph]

Rayvon. It stayed on wax and I was great. And they were disrespectful as. But it still didn't go past the rap disrespect. It didn't go like your mother. It didn't get. It didn't get to that level. And I appreciate that. I like when they could stay on wax. I'm gonna learn that, man.

[Mall]

You ain't learning it, man, but it's cool.

[Graph]

I'm a practice man. I'm just. Patience is virtue. I'm getting it.

[G]

Speaking of 50, we have like, this segment was JD two weeks ago. Last week. Two weeks ago, we started the like, this, this or that type segment we did with JD and we want to do the Queen's edition today with you.

[Graph]

Okay.

[G]

Where you have to. You have to decide some things here. One can stay and one has to be gone forever. It was written Nas or the War Report component.

[Graph]

Forever.

[G]

One has to go forever. Can only keep one.

[Graph]

No, we can't do that. Go next one. That whole question. Gotta be going forever. He tripping.

[Mall]

Yeah, one gotta be going forever.

[Graph]

It was written. Was the. Was a part of the reason why I even started rapping. Nas is my favorite rapper ever, so I would have to go with that just based on the fact that I wouldn't even be on his couch without Illmatic. And it was written, right? Dead ass. Like, when I first it was written, I pulled over my car like, what is this shit? Yeah, I heard the message. I was like, what the fuck is this shit? I pulled over. I was driving down Jamaica Avenue at night, going to my crib. I pulled over. It was like, this shit isn't amazing.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Graph]

So that's the impact that music had on me. And it made me want to keep. To pursue rap in a real way. I was going to school to be like a doctor or some, trying to get my mother proud. And then I started getting to this hip hop gangster and I was like, all right, this is for me.

[Mall]

It was written. Ruined your life.

[Graph]

Ruined me. Sorry, Mom.

[G]

Well, I guess the answer is peace, Capone. And Nori.

[Graph]

Sorry, no, we can't. Nah, we can't do that. No, we need to po. Nori here too.

[G]

I feel like the War Report could get you in some more trouble than. Than it was really written.

[Graph]

Yeah, but that. That's so different message. Yeah, but it's just. It's just that had an impact on me too.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Graph]

Just not like what Nas did. But no, we can't. We need both of those. Can't do that.

[Mall]

Yeah, we definitely need both of those albums.

[Graph]

Can't do that. Yeah. These questions. Just take his phone away. Fast moving quick.

[G]

All right, Swift. Your next single. And again, keep. Keep in mind that time does not really exist in this whole theory of this or that.

[Graph]

All right.

[G]

This has to be your next single. Prodigy. Keep it thorough or Simon says Fair.

[Mall]

Much.

[Graph]

That's a good one. Damn. But see, Prodigy is in my top five, which I do have a top six, because Prodigy's in there. Keep It Throws one of my favorite records ever. And that far on my. Is retarded. Those are two.

[G]

Your next, your next single.

[Graph]

I'm gonna have to go with Prodigy. Keep It Thorough. That's just. I'm a Queens. That's just. That's just.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Graph]

That'S rough.

[Mall]

That's rough.

[Graph]

Start a game. But I, I, I'll go with.

[Mall]

Keep It Thorough is your next thing.

[Graph]

That's my. That's my favorite. That's one of my favorite records. I rapped on a beat 90 billion times.

[Mall]

I think every rapper has probably rapped on that.

[Graph]

That's one of my favorite records ever. You so you. You're doing this unfair shit, man. I mean, this man has to be stopped.

[Mall]

This is Queens, though. This is Queens history.

[Graph]

This man has to be stopped.

[G]

Yeah, I think I'm gonna go with Simon Says, though. Cause I feel like Farrah Monch is probably still eating off sinks with Simon says.

[Graph]

It's so crazy.

[G]

Especially in commercials.

[Graph]

Like Simon Says, it's so nuts.

[G]

I'm taking the backend royalties on Simon says.

[Graph]

Get the up. Yeah, yeah. I don't. But I'm just going off like. I ain't gonna lie. Keep It Thorough is one of my favorite records ever.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah.

[G]

It's probably Simon says top five, Alchemist B2.

[Graph]

Yeah, it's like, it's up. It's like one of my favorite records ever, bro.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Graph]

When I first heard that, I was like, my. What does he be thinking about? What do you smoke when you. I was so. One of my dopest hip hop moments. Not to throw you off. One of my dopest hip hop moments. Simple as this. And I did a freestyle on. I think it was Hell on Earth. No, no. Or was it Shook Once? One of them classic Mob deep beats. I did a long freestyle on the shit, and I was like, yo, I called Pete. I was like, I just want you to make a. A cameo in the video. I was just shooting a freestyle video with Dolo. He's like, hey, babe, where you at? I was in a park in Queens. He pulled up Dolo. It was just me and him on a park bench, just chilling the scene for video. I thought that was the most amazing shit ever. I was like, it's me and Prodigy on a park bench in Queens.

[Mall]

In the hood, it don't get well.

[Graph]

Like a bear or some. I was like, this is Amazing. I have a great life.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[G]

Imagine you just mind your business going to the park, play ball or whatever.

[Graph]

Just left, and me and Prodigy. Just chilling.

[G]

Prodigy and Grass.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Graph]

Like, bro. It was. I'm like this. I'm just looking at him like, yo, you really here? He dodo. We just both do.

[Mall]

If you was ever blessed to just meet him and kick it with him, that's. That's him all the way.

[Graph]

I'm telling you. He pull up Dolo. Literally, Dolo on a park bench in the hood in Queens. Just.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Graph]

One cameraman is too dark to even get the right amount of light in. It's amazing. Like, life is great.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[G]

Did you read his book?

[Graph]

Nah, but I need to. You read it?

[G]

Yeah, I read it, and I would actually suggest doing the audiobook because P is. Is. It's his voice. So. Yeah. It just makes the way better, but that's fine.

[Mall]

I might have to check that out.

[G]

It's one of the best reads ever.

[Graph]

That's amazing. I did not even notice.

[G]

But it's funny you bring that up, because in the book, there's like a whole chapter of just havoc, like, begging Pete to stop hanging out in the hood. Like, word. Stop it. Like, do you go there every day? We have money.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[G]

Stop leaving long our crib in Long island to go to Queensbridge.

[Graph]

Like, bro, he pull. He pulled. I was in the hood. He pulled up. He said, where you at? I told him I was at. He pulled up wheat in the hood on a park bench. That's park bench with Pete. I was like, come on. My.

[Mall]

That's crazy.

[Graph]

That was amazing.

[G]

But, I mean, his whole family's queen's royalty.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[G]

Though.

[Graph]

But I. I just enjoyed that moment so much. I was like, wow. I'm. I should be released.

[Mall]

That's fire. That's dope.

[Graph]

Yeah.

[G]

Make an album produced by Havoc or Q Tip.

[Graph]

See? Yeah. Picking my faves again. This is hard. This is crazy shit. I gotta go with half because of the influence, but Q Tip is gonna give me the bag. So it's half, though. But for what I became and my influences is gonna be half for that.

[G]

All right. I'm gonna add another stipulation to this. They also can feature as rappers on this joint project.

[Graph]

Q Tip gonna take me around the world with this guy's not fair. He has to be stopped. He has to be stopped.

[Mall]

Yeah. QT will have you in the day. Party in Ibiza.

[Graph]

In Ibiza.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Graph]

It's like, shit.

[Mall]

Have might too, though. Don't get it twisted. He might find one. Nah, I made up and throw something on you. Be like, yo, what is this?

[Graph]

Nah, I made records with have. Have is on the project that I did with. I had released a collaborative project with Benny, BSF and my company team Bang Dope Gang called Stop Calling our Content. Have is on that joint. Joint. And Half is on the last project I dropped. He produced a record on there, so I already know what I'm gonna get from Half. It's gonna be great. I never worked with Q Tip before, but I know I'm probably gonna be on the coast of Spain somewhere. He's on these records and the album.

[G]

May never come out because Q Tip is going to work on it for the next 30 years.

[Mall]

But when it does, though, have will.

[G]

Bounce some and be like, let's put it out.

[Graph]

That's hilarious. But based on is my influences, it's probably gonna be half. I keep it a buck.

[Rory]

Yeah. Word.

[G]

You can put a verse on DJ clue, the professional album or who give 50 cent is the future.

[Graph]

That's a good one too. Damn.

[Mall]

H. What was the question?

[G]

Graph. Can put a verse on the professional DJ clue, first actual album or who kid 50 Cent is the future.

[Graph]

Dam.

[G]

There's a graph feature on one of them.

[Graph]

It's gotta be. Thank you. Thinking I would have never thought of them like that. Balls. That's a tough one too. Professional with the Rockefeller Project. Project, right? Yeah.

[G]

That's just like 30 times platinum now.

[Graph]

I think I might. I might. I might just go with that just so I could just continue this. This Rockefeller that I got going on.

[Mall]

Yeah, it ties in.

[Graph]

Yeah, it just ties in. But okay, that. That's. That's the whole. That's. That's my side of Queens too. That's the whole whole. Yeah, that Shadyville all the way to south side. That's the whole. That's the whole side. North and South.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Graph]

Jesus. You twisted my arm here, buddy. But I'll probably go with the clue because of the. Because of what the I created last year.

[G]

Yeah.

[Graph]

That's the only reason.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Graph]

W Kid is the same. Yeah. Shout out to Wookie. I just seen the recently too.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[G]

It's the start of your career. You can sign a Steve Stout or Irv Gotti.

[Graph]

Oh, shout out to Irv, man. Recipes.

[Mall]

Absolutely.

[Graph]

I had to. I did three records with Irv in my career, man. Shout out to Irv. Word. I never worked with Steve Style before, but that's Nas and I mean, probably.

[G]

The best brand partnership.

[Graph]

Yeah, I'm getting. I'm Have Coca Cola behind me. I'm gonna have Pepsi. I'm have. The brand partnership is gonna be out the ass. Word. Like I'm gonna get like this mic gonna be sponsored by like. I already know that with Steve Stout out. Damn. I might have to go with Steve for that. For that. That I haven't even tapped into yet career wise. And I never had an opportunity to work with Steve before I worked with her. My. That's him. I worked with her. So I already know I'm gonna get bangers. Irv is. Irv is amazing the way he worked. I learned a lot from Irv too. In a little bit of time. I worked with him that ass. So I've experienced that. So I'm gonna go with Steve because I never. That makes sense that this.

[G]

This is a random question just for the room in particular. Again, remember, time does not exist in. In this whole world. Would you rather see 50 Cent signed to death row in 1996 but like 25 year old 50. Like right when his 6 with pocket all that 50 signed to death row 96. Or Nikki signs to Murder Inc. In 2001?

[Graph]

Oh, n. I'll go with the 50 with that one. Nicki or Murder Inc. You got.

[Mall]

If Nicki Minaj and JA Rules to have some records.

[G]

Ashanti like yo, Nikki in 01 because.

[Graph]

They were making more softer records. She was still doing hard then.

[G]

But I mean singles were that way. But they were still.

[Graph]

Yeah, they were still making hard too. Oh, let me think. But you putting 50. 50 already came out with the West Coast. He already came out with that type of energy, to be honest. That's a part of his legacy too. Where he went with that.

[G]

But less chaos with him. With him.

[Graph]

With Pac actually like with Pac.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Graph]

I don't know the mentality. I don't think we've ever seen Pocke to the hood.

[Mall]

Yeah, of course.

[G]

What I mean, Pac was in Queens all the time was stretched.

[Rory]

Yeah. Yeah.

[G]

Pac would have brought 50 to Queens.

[Mall]

Yo, you never been over here.

[Graph]

I live here.

[G]

I just think the mayhem that would.

[Graph]

Imagine 50 Cent and Suge that have been nuts. See it. That would have been crazy. That would have been. That have been crazy with his mentality then that would have been. They would have been. The industry would have been up. Nikki with Murder Inc. I never even had that thought in my life. Did she even have records with them? Ashanti and all of that? N. Right.

[G]

No, in fact, she came away.

[Graph]

I didn't even life.

[G]

I'm just thinking of. Of Nikki. I think that would. There'd be a whole different story to Murder Inc. And the June like 50s. Not getting murder Inc. Clean out of here that easy if you have Nikki carrying the flag in the midst of that entire thing.

[Graph]

True. But then Nikki would have been making different records. So I'm trying to. That's trying to think. Yeah. Because Urban reducing them. You have Ashanti, have Javo. I'm like. I'm trying to picture it in my head now. I don't know. I can't even. I'm thinking about the records they made and then putting Nikki on it and I'm like. I don't know if I wanted to hear that.

[G]

Yeah.

[Graph]

I don't know what you think I would want to. I could hear. I could hear 50 and PAC though.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah, definitely.

[Graph]

Because the alignment was there.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

But I just. I think that Nikki with Irv and.

[Graph]

That would have been crazy because then Nick. Irv would have catered to Nikki. So maybe they would have created some shit that I can't even imagine keeping a. Honey. I'm just going off what exists already.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

You think about the energy with Pac and 50.

[Graph]

That's what I'm thinking about. The energy that they would have brought. Pac, 50 and Sug would have been some other. The industry would have been up like lock the doors. You know what I mean?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Graph]

But I'm trying to think about what sound they would have created at Murder Inc. With Nikki. I don't know. I can't. I guess I can't imagine it clearly.

[G]

I mean, I feel like even a lot of the Young Money, it would.

[Graph]

Have been a different sound that doesn't exist. It would have been different. Yeah, it would have been. Because the Young Money sound and the Irv sound is different. The regular.

[G]

But I. I don't think think because.

[Graph]

It'S should have been a different artist by now. I think it would have been something else.

[G]

I don't even think Young Money sounds the same way without Murder Inc. Though, of course it's completely different sounds. But that melodic. The Drake, Nikki and Wayne all did was the proof came from Irving.

[Graph]

Yeah, true.

[G]

Like you could have hard raps.

[Graph]

I feel like everybody got that formula including 50 from IR they invented that J was doing. Doing the quick four bar bridges. Ja was the first artist I've ever seen that was doing bridges in the middle of his verses. Yeah, like that. I was like, what the is this? He was doing quick four bar bridges in the beginning. In the middle. He was like. He had vamp outs. They were like structured like R B records. But because of him and Irv. Yeah. So Nicki would have all those elements too. Yeah, that's a good question. Shit balls. I don't know.

[Mall]

I think. I think artists for. Just. For the art of it and the music. I would want to hear Nikki.

[Graph]

Yeah. Yeah, I guess so. That would have been something. So we can go with Nikki with that?

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Graph]

Because I would have. She would have been. Been. Yeah. It would have been some whole other. That I can't even imagine. So bet. All right, it.

[Mall]

I'll take Nikki.

[Graph]

We'll do that.

[G]

Maul has had this segment came up with same night, same city. I don't know if you had some in mind. I have a few written down for your same night, same city segment. Essentially, this is. These shows are happening the exact same night in the exact same city, and you have to choose which one that you would go to.

[Mall]

But me no graph. Somehow he would make it to both.

[Graph]

Both.

[Mall]

Somehow this guy would be at both of the shows and he be like, yo, how. How was this happening?

[G]

Okay, then I'll rework this one to. Who do you think's going to have a better show, same night, same city.

[Graph]

All right.

[G]

Queensbridge reunion show or a Southside reunion show?

[Graph]

Come on, man. What's wrong with this guy? What are we doing mall. How are we going to stop him?

[Mall]

That's tough. That's tough.

[Graph]

Oh, man.

[Mall]

I mean, me, per. My first. My knee jerk answer is Queensbridge.

[Graph]

Yeah, right. Because you got nas. You got. That's gonna be crazy.

[G]

Mega Shan.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[G]

You still get CNN.

[Mall]

Like, I'm going Queensbridge.

[Graph]

We still get CNN. South. South show is 50. You got lost, boys.

[G]

You got Onyx.

[Graph]

Onyx. I'm gonna be there as.

[G]

Yeah.

[Graph]

Cheat code. I was gonna go with that. Cause I'm gonna be in that motherfucker.

[Mall]

Like, you know you would be at both. You would find a way. Both shows will start at 9pm sharp. Kraft is gonna be at both shows.

[Graph]

And performing at both shows and performing.

[Mall]

How did he get here? I just saw him on Southside. Yeah, but not me.

[Graph]

20 minute drive. I'm gonna do it.

[Mall]

Me being, you know.

[G]

Which one would you rather do security at?

[Mall]

Oh, man. Give me.

[Graph]

They both gonna be wild, though.

[Mall]

They both gonna be wild. But I.

[Graph]

South side one. Southside one. Probably gonna be.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Queensbridge is a little. Because I feel like as head of security, I feel like I could get the Nas. I'm like, yo, come on, man. Like, calm the fellas down. Cause south side. The south side show, you not getting to nobody.

[G]

Are we all forgetting when all of Queensbridge went to Central park and ruined that notch? Shut Central park down.

[Mall]

Yeah, but that's cause somebody didn't get the nods first to be like, yo, fam, come on, talk to the guys, man.

[Graph]

That's a good question though. I'm have to be biased and go with the Southside show, man. That's just me being biased though. Keep it on it.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Graph]

Because I want to see both and I'll make it to both. It's 20 minute ride. I'm gonna make it to both. That's a fact. But I'm gonna be biased on that just because I'm from that I'm on that side.

[Mall]

I think of one. They had one earlier, right? Was it Tribe Called Quest? Oh, Tribe Called Quest.

[Graph]

They from the north side. But they could say, yeah, it's still new.

[Mall]

Same night, same city, Tribe Called Quest, Run dmc.

[Graph]

Oh, that's classic. It's probably Go Run dmc.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Graph]

Probably all the way classic. Yeah, probably go all the way classic on these.

[Mall]

I don't think I've ever seen.

[Graph]

I never seen anything live with them on Internet.

[G]

Oh, you never seen Tribe. I only saw Tribe live when they opened for the Yeeza show at the Garden.

[Graph]

I never saw a tribe live. I've seen Q Tip dude performances I never. I never got the opportunity to see.

[Mall]

I've been at clubs. He was. He was DJing.

[Graph]

Yeah. Like that him doing. I seen him in action doing, but I never seen him before. I'm live now.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah. They.

[Graph]

They over run amc which is like Internet. That's it.

[Mall]

Yeah, that they almost seem like. But that real like.

[Graph]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Mall]

That's my hip hop.

[Graph]

Like.

[Mall]

Yeah, like did that happen? Like I've never seen them.

[Graph]

I'mma go run on DMC on that one.

[G]

Do you think Russell will come back from. From Bali for that?

[Mall]

Yeah, no.

[Graph]

With a mask on.

[Mall]

Oh no. He might.

[Graph]

I could see him doing that mask on with a little young ski mask.

[Mall]

I could see that before the Nike.

[Graph]

The Nike ski mask. That was Russ's eyes. Nah, it can't be.

[Mall]

That is crazy that that's what life has come to feel.

[G]

When was the last time you think Rick talked to Russell? I feel like Rick is someone who probably has no idea that any of that controversy is happening.

[Graph]

I think they're real friends though. They probably. I would think they stay in touch.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Graph]

I haven't met Rick, but I think they stay. I would think they stay in touch.

[Mall]

Yeah, I think so. I think I'm. They still. They still speak for sure.

[G]

I don't know, man.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Graph]

Cuz that controversy ain't not gonna affect you if you real. If you his real friend. You don't give a about that.

[G]

Yeah, listen, man, Rick is not talking that much.

[Mall]

You don't think so?

[G]

Hell no.

[Graph]

Why not?

[Ted Kennedy]

Y' all are.

[Mall]

I think so. Not. Maybe not every day.

[G]

I don't even think Rick was even talking to him before all that broke.

[Mall]

Well, not. Not every day, but I think that they still have a relationship.

[Graph]

I would think so. If I had to guess, I would think so.

[Rory]

Yeah. They.

[Mall]

They still speak.

[Graph]

They absolutely. If I had to guess, I would think so. Yeah. Know what?

[G]

What do you think they talk about?

[Graph]

Know?

[Mall]

It's life, man.

[Graph]

I about to take some. I'm glad cut my mic off.

[Mall]

Life, man. Talk about life. You know what I mean? Like, look how far we.

[Graph]

How far the flight to Bali is?

[Mall]

Look how far we took it. Yeah. How long is the flight? Bali, we took hip hop to Bal.

[G]

From NYU to B. Yeah.

[Mall]

We got Def Jam Bali. We got Def Jam B. Def Jam Bali is on the way.

[Graph]

Death Jam Bali is hilarious.

[G]

God.

[Rory]

O.

[Graph]

Is rapping in the yoga studio.

[Mall]

Oh, my God.

[G]

But before we get out of here. What? What do you want to plug? Advertise everything.

[Mall]

Single with Joiner coming.

[G]

Yes.

[Graph]

Single with joining is after the one. I gotta join out right now with Busta. It's called Juice. Shout out to Busta. We made some high energy legend drill uk. Sounds like some UK Jamaican drills. We just invented some shit that doesn't exist. And it's out now. Now. And we shooting a video Friday. Yeah, I gonna get that. You know what I'm saying? Bustle on my brother, man. Shout out to Bus. He like, my Bus is like legit. My big brother, man. I knew buses. I was like 17, 18 years old, man.

[G]

Crazy.

[Graph]

When I first met Bus, I didn't know nothing about the industry. It's fresh out the hood. And I started working with him actually. Damn it. Dropped out of college to tour with him and work with him and we ended up having a fist fight back then.

[Mall]

You Buster?

[Graph]

Yeah. I was like 18, 19 years old. I popped into the studio, like without telling him. He was talking to me crazy. I was like, step outside it. And he stepped outside. We got it on.

[Mall]

Wait, wait, wait, hold on.

[G]

Too quick of a story.

[Mall]

You got mad at something Buster said?

[Graph]

Yeah, I thought he was talking to me because I popped up. He got mad that I just showed up.

[Mall]

Oh, you just popped up at his session.

[Graph]

Yeah. But he said, because I didn't understand the industry rules and all the fucking 18, 19. I don't know nothing about nothing.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Graph]

He said you could call me whenever I like. Bet. So I did that. He ain't pick up. So I was like, I ain't pick up. I'm just gonna show up. And he was like, what are you doing here? I was like, well, nigga, you said I could pull up. He's like, yeah, but I didn't pick up. That's why I showed up. He was like, if I didn't pick up, that means okay, not today. Okay? And I didn't understand that. I'm like, yeah, you ain't pick up. So I showed up.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Graph]

Because I didn't understand this industry at all.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Graph]

Straight in the hood. I don't know nothing about nothing. He was talking to me away. I ain't like it. And I said it. Let's step outside. Outside. And he's like, all right. And we went outside, and it. Things went left. I swung, he swung. I tried to stab with a knife. All this crazy. It was crazy.

[G]

Added more elements into the.

[Graph]

He broke a bottle. He broke a bottle.

[Mall]

You tried to stab Buster and he broke a bottle. Song is available now. Yo, grab the stickest ever. He said, yeah, Touch that Bus. A song available now.

[Graph]

Right now. I flicked the knife. He broke a bottle. It was like a Jamaican west side Story. Went left.

[Mall]

Jamaican west side Story went left. Yo, graph is the most random, nigga, man. I'm telling you, yo.

[G]

I'm telling you.

[Mall]

Where was the studio, my big brother?

[G]

Now, where was the studio at?

[Graph]

This was in the city. This is like. Was it Soundtracks Studios?

[G]

All right, so y' all walked out to a Manhattan block.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Graph]

Right outside. Yeah.

[Mall]

Let's get it on.

[G]

Okay.

[Graph]

First he came Baptist. First he came Baptist.

[G]

He shot.

[Rory]

He's.

[Graph]

He tried to talk me off the ledge. He was talking sensibly to me.

[Mall]

I didn't.

[Graph]

I couldn't register. I was just young, ignorant. I couldn't understand. He like. Yo. He said. The first thing he said was, you came in here on some street. I'm trying to teach you some business, right? And for some reason, that sounded offensive to me. I was like, you can't teach me. He was like, I was just young, ignorant. He's like, you came in with some street. I'm trying to teach you how to be a businessman. You coming with the wrong energy. And for some reason, I kept taking it, like, just hearing it wrong. Yeah, it Just sounded offensive. I'm like, fuck you, man.

[Mall]

You can't teach me nothing.

[Graph]

He was like, all right, let's go outside. So we just went there once.

[G]

We're outside.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What's the story?

[G]

A square up or how did the physical altercation.

[Graph]

It was like a square up. It was a square up.

[G]

Or did somebody just stall on somebody?

[Graph]

I think I pushed him first, then he swung, then I swung.

[G]

And then when he swung, did any of those lands. See, you're going too fast. Did any of those land Missed each other for real? Okay.

[Graph]

And when he swung, I kind of like ducked it and slipped. He thought he caught me, and then I got mad cause he thought he caught me. Then I shot the knife.

[Mall]

Yeah, we don't talk about that. We don't talk about that. Somebody feel like they caught you and dropped you? You like, yo, you ain't dropped. That's a whole another fight.

[Graph]

I just caught. Like, you ain't catching. I was like, n. I got resort to this knife.

[Mall]

It's time to go to the knife.

[Graph]

He's like, you got a knife. You broke a bottle. It's like, I don't know how it ain't go left after that. Nobody died. We still hear.

[Mall]

We made a song.

[Graph]

We alive.

[Mall]

No, the song is available now.

[Graph]

We lie.

[Mall]

We alive.

[Graph]

We live through this. We made a song about it.

[G]

So once the bottle is broken and the knife is out, how did this situation diffuse?

[Graph]

I don't remember that part. I just know nobody got stabbed, which is great.

[Mall]

That's amazing.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I'm so glad. I'm so glad Graph and Buster didn't stab each other up on a Manhattan block.

[Graph]

Me too. Life works out.

[G]

And something tells me Buster called you the next day and forgot any of that even happened.

[Graph]

No, no, no. We used to be. For years after that, because he was like. He wanted to sign me. Then he was like, this nigga's a liability. You high head, you got.

[Mall]

Yeah, but. But that's how fast happens.

[Graph]

But I'm learning. See, I went from that to like, realizing certain battles I don't need to be in because I don't got to self control certain.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Graph]

I choose my battles wisely. Now. I get it.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[G]

And bus team, like, yeah, no, we want to sign graffiti. He tried to stab me.

[Graph]

When he. When he tell. When he tells the story and be like this backed the knife for me, I'm like, nigga, you broke a bottle too. Yeah, he broke a bottle. After this, I got a stab. I poked out a Knife. And he was like, oh, that ran for you.

[Mall]

Yeah, but what choice did he forget that part?

[Graph]

You trying to stab me back, Yo.

[Mall]

And I feel like only Buster could break a bottle perfectly and imperfectly.

[Graph]

Perfect amount of spice.

[Mall]

You ever tried that? You ever tried to break a. The whole break? Like, I don't have nothing to stab nobody with. How do you break it so perfectly? It's like.

[Graph]

It's a point like I making it worked out.

[Mall]

Yo, that is. Song available now.

[Graph]

Song available now. Video.

[Mall]

Video shoot this Friday.

[Graph]

That's a fact.

[Mall]

Yo, listen, man. Life is beautiful, man.

[Graph]

Life is wonderful.

[Mall]

Life is beautiful.

[G]

I guess we have to ask the same question we ask everyone that has a relationship with Buster.

[Graph]

Where.

[G]

Where do you rate him in the top five dappers of all time?

[Mall]

Buster shake your hand. He'll break your hand. Shoulder, elbow. Yeah, Buster give you that. That real with the mad diamond ring? Yeah, you gotta be. Yeah, you gotta be prepared to shake Busta hand.

[Graph]

Busta. Actually, in my top five, I mean, I need to have a top seven, because I got a lot of my cadence and flows and delivery from bus. The way I construct records, a lot of that came from Buzz. I took a lot of what I do from the way he constructs records. A lot of it, or.

[G]

Well, you said Prodigy was in your top six, so I made it.

[Graph]

I was top seven it. Cause it's. It's. I got nine. Nas, J. Royce, M. Jadakiss, Prodigy, and Busta all. So my top five is the top seven.

[Mall]

That's a very interesting top seven word.

[Graph]

And most don't got Royce in a top five. Royce is my top five. I got Royce and Em in my top five. They both. All the people influenced what I do.

[Mall]

I could see now when you name.

[Graph]

That, I could kind of see all the flow. Yeah, all them is. Is put them in a pot on low sim. It's like, bam. This is graph.

[Mall]

Is that can hear it?

[Graph]

Absolutely. All their influences is in the music.

[Mall]

I can hear that.

[Graph]

Prodigy. Prodigy. Lines are quoted in my songs to current day. You could play anyone and be like, oh, that's a Prodigy line. All in the music. Current day. Still, Prodigy is just the guy.

[G]

He was that guy.

[Graph]

Absolutely facts.

[G]

When's the last time you Talked to Shia LaBeouf? Right before we get out of here.

[Graph]

Couple months ago.

[G]

Yeah. How's he doing?

[Graph]

I don't know. I love that guy, though.

[Mall]

I talked to him a couple months ago. I don't know how he doing, though.

[Graph]

I love that guy. He be with the smoke. Put that in the battle stage. He's with it. He raps till he get busy. Oh, no.

[G]

We know. We've seen the viral clips.

[Mall]

We've heard it. We've heard it.

[Graph]

As a matter fact of matter of fact. Did you hear the song? I did. Called 36 chambers. I know. So I called him to do the treatment. He wrote a crazy treatment for that record. I was like, that's how I ran out of my mind. I was like, what would this video look like if Shia LaBeouf directed it?

[G]

Yeah.

[Graph]

And he wrote a crazy treatment. He had a crazy. He was just too busy to do it. Nuts. He's nuts. He's nuts. I'm legit. He typed it all out to him. He's like, grav. Yeah. So we can do this.

[Mall]

Almost stab Buster Rhymes. And he has a treatment for a song from Shia LaBeouf. This nigga is the most random dude but most necessary dude in New York City. I'm telling you, Graf. Thank you for coming through, my brother. This is long overdue, Long overdue. Always good to see you. My guy song Juice. What is it?

[Graph]

Juice? Yeah, Juice.

[Mall]

Available now. Featuring Buster Rhymes and Buster's kidney. That.

[G]

I think you should just reenact that scene for the video.

[Mall]

Like you want me to write the treatment.

[G]

You just told us the treatment for what the video should be.

[Mall]

Yo, step outside.

[Graph]

We could do that. So I wasn't even thinking about that.

[G]

And then I was breaking random shit in the graph.

[Graph]

No worrying now.

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[Graph]

So what happened to Chappaquiddick? Well, it really depends on who you talk to.

[Ted Kennedy]

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Podcast every Wednesday on the Black Effect.

[Sarah Spain]

Podcast network, the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast.

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Or wherever you go to find your podcast.

[Sarah Spain]

This is an I Heart podcast.