Episode 242 | The Super Bowl Episode

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & MAL – Episode 242 | The Super Bowl Episode

Release Date: February 13, 2024

In Episode 242 of "New Rory & MAL," hosted by iHeartPodcasts and The Volume, Rory and Mal delve deep into the multifaceted events surrounding the Super Bowl. The episode seamlessly weaves through game analysis, halftime performances, commercial critiques, and personal anecdotes, offering listeners a rich and engaging experience.

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1. Super Bowl Game Analysis ([05:00] - [19:00])

Rory, Mal, and Julian dissect the Super Bowl matchup between Kansas City and San Francisco. The trio reflects on the game's tension, key plays, and standout performances.

• Kansas City's Resilience:
  Rory: "I actually think Kansas City is going to blow them the fuck out."
  (05:00)

• San Francisco's Defensive Prowess:
  Julian: "Their defense is incredible."
  (17:53)

• Patrick Mahomes' Impact:
  Mal: "Pat Mahomes, he made a mistake early. He threw his first interception..."
  (17:53)
  Rory: "They still have Patrick Mahomes. So they took Kelsey all the way out of that fucking game."
  (18:37)

The discussion highlights Mahomes' leadership and the strategic plays that defined the game's outcome, emphasizing his potential to rival Tom Brady's legacy.

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2. Super Bowl Halftime Show Performances ([20:00] - [47:00])

The hosts transition to evaluating the Super Bowl halftime shows, focusing on performances by Usher, Beyoncé, and referencing past iconic acts.

• Usher's Standout Moment:
  Rory: "I think it's up there for the last 20 years, as far as performances go. The entire thing, there was not one wasted moment."
  (33:03)

• Comparisons to Beyoncé and Mariah Carey:
  Mal: "She had some Mimi. It might have been me."
  (03:13)
  Rory: "It was before Sasha Fierce and Beyoncé."
  (04:14)

• Alicia Keys and Swizz Beatz Interaction:
  Mal: "They have a lot of intimate moments there."
  (43:43)
  Rory: "Alicia Keys is married to Swizz Beats."
  (50:46)

The conversation delves into the dynamics of live performances, choreography, and the personal interactions between artists, highlighting the emotional depth and technical execution of the halftime acts.

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3. Super Bowl Commercials ([47:00] - [70:00])

Rory and Mal critique several Super Bowl commercials, with a particular focus on Kanye West's unconventional ad approach.

• Kanye West's Low-Budget Commercial:
  Rory: "I don't really care about his commercial during the Super Bowl. I thought it was genius, too, to just do such a regular lo-fi on my phone."
  (62:57)
  Mal: "It was a real win for him."
  (63:20)

• Volkswagen's Historical Rewrite:
  Julian: "Volkswagen started by Nazi Germany in 1937... They were like, okay, well, here's the inception of the company."
  (93:01)

• Impact of Commercials on Sales and Branding:
  Mal: "Everything on Easy is 20 now."
  (63:53)
  Rory: "If you put out the greatest ever, but that's just where Usher is at the moment."
  (84:12)

The hosts express mixed feelings about the authenticity and effectiveness of Super Bowl commercials, debating the balance between creativity and consumer impact.

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4. Presidential Social Media and Public Relations ([70:00] - [90:00])

A heated segment unfolds as Rory and Mal discuss the portrayal of the President of the United States on social media during the Super Bowl, critiquing the merging of political messaging with entertainment.

• Critique of POTUS' Meme Culture:
  Rory: "They turned the President of the United States Twitter into a mockery."
  (86:22)

• Impact of Political Ads:
  Mal: "Only Republican can get a blue. Cease all jokers make spotlights, like, nothing is private anymore."
  (85:54)

• Discussion on Political Neutrality in Media:
  Julian: "They just scour analytics and try to find their end."
  (91:00)

The conversation underscores concerns about the blurring lines between politics and entertainment, highlighting the potential for misinformation and the dilution of presidential authority.

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5. Personal Stories and Experiences ([90:00] - [135:00])

Transitioning from public figures, Rory and Mal share personal narratives, reflecting on childhood experiences, family dynamics, and personal growth.

• Rory's Childhood Aggression:
  Rory: "I shoved and bit him. Like, I bit him."
  (108:28)

• Mal's Experiences with Discipline:
  Mal: "My mom was hitting me with a belt... I pulled it out of her hand."
  (114:25)

• Host Dynamics and Personal Growth:
  Rory: "I thought it was more of a lesson in a good moment."
  (115:03)
  Mal: "Things are just supposed to be like, that's so intimate."
  (125:00)

These intimate disclosures provide a window into the hosts' backgrounds, shedding light on how their past experiences shape their perspectives and interactions.

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6. Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts ([135:00] - [138:52])

In the final minutes, the hosts reflect on the episode's discussions, emphasizing the importance of moments over fleeting content in today's fast-paced media landscape.

• Value of Memorable Moments:
  Rory: "Everything that they try to kill Trump over... it's a lot of trauma that we're discussing."
  (134:57)

• Importance of Authentic Conversations:
  Mal: "Sometimes is exploitation good?"
  (131:16)
  Rory: "Who are we to say that?"
  (131:32)

The episode concludes with Rory and Mal reaffirming the significance of genuine moments and the challenges of maintaining authenticity amidst widespread digital content consumption.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Rory: "Kansas City is going to blow them the fuck out."
  (05:00)

• Mal: "Pat Mahomes, he made a mistake early."
  (17:53)

• Rory: "That was one of the greatest commercials of all time."
  (56:45)

• Julian: "It's a trash meme, bro."
  (87:13)

• Rory: "I'm fine with these social media teams of presidents or figures like this to try to make them relatable."
  (85:30)

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Key Insights and Conclusions

• Leadership and Legacy: The discussion around Patrick Mahomes vs. Tom Brady underscores the evolving nature of leadership in sports and the creation of legacies.

• Authenticity in Performances: Halftime shows are more than just entertainment; they are charged with personal and cultural significance, as seen in Usher's performance and its interplay with celebrity relationships.

• Commercial Creativity vs. Effectiveness: The critique of Super Bowl commercials highlights a tension between creative expression and market impact, questioning what truly resonates with audiences.

• Political Messaging in Entertainment: The blending of political narratives with mainstream entertainment raises concerns about authenticity and the potential for manipulation in public discourse.

• Personal Growth Through Adversity: The hosts' personal stories reveal how childhood experiences and family dynamics shape individual perspectives and coping mechanisms.

• The Value of Moments Over Content: In an era dominated by constant content generation, the episode emphasizes the lasting value of meaningful moments and authentic interactions.

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This episode of "New Rory & MAL" offers a comprehensive exploration of the Super Bowl's various facets, enriched by personal anecdotes and critical analysis. Whether you're a sports enthusiast, a fan of halftime performances, or interested in the intersection of politics and entertainment, this episode delivers valuable insights and engaging discussions.

Transcript

[Rory]

Two weeks later y'all been. I've been with that pack for two weeks, smoking it non stop with the shit that you suggested. Yeah, I still, based off the chemical imbalance in my brain, still am ready to kill myself.

[Mal]

Hey, I had a two weeks life lifespan to you. Hey, you still here? No worrying now.

[Julian]

There's always that one person that will.

[Rory]

Always have your heart.

[Mal]

You never see it coming cause you're.

[Rory]

Blinded from the start. Know that you're that one for me. It's clear for everyone to see. Oh baby, yeah, you gotta rock your way to this one. Come on. I know about y'all, but I know about us. And it's the only way we know how to write.

[Mal]

All I'm saying is listen, I don't. I'm kind of under the weather, so just. It's cool, you know what I mean? But Britney's dad wasn't wrong.

[Rory]

I have been saying from the jump.

[Mal]

Britney Spears dad, it was. He knew something we didn't know and he was trying to just protect, you know, the one person on earth that he probably loves more than anybody. It was kind of in a weird way, and it came across to us as, you know, controlling and manipulative and things like that. But ever since she got freedom of her estate and her money, she's been on the Internet going crazy.

[Rory]

I mean, rarely do I try to take. I was their first credit, but this time I think I was the only one publicly going.

[Mal]

You were definitely one of their first ones.

[Rory]

Hey, I think Britney's dad may have had a point. Yeah, nobody could say that because then, you know, mental health and all that other shit and there was contracts and she was. Yeah, it was. But I mean, listen, as someone that also is crazy. I can see it in the eyes. Yeah, like crazy knows crazy.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's a. It's an energy. You can see it. You can be like, okay, this person is. Is not.

[Rory]

This isn't performative.

[Mal]

Like, yeah, no, no, no, this is real.

[Rory]

This isn't a skit.

[Mal]

No, this is real. This is real.

[Rory]

She has knives in her crib going like this.

[Julian]

And if it is a character, she chose a really bad character. That's an awful character.

[Mal]

For what exactly?

[Rory]

When people lean into things, she's not.

[Julian]

Leaning like Kevin Spacey choosing to live as Frank Underwood or whatever that guy's name is.

[Rory]

That's hilarious.

[Mal]

Choosing to live as a straight man. Oh, okay.

[Rory]

I don't think he's trying to live as a straight man, is he?

[Mal]

Oh, no, not anymore. He doesn't Have a choice, though. It's not by a choice.

[Rory]

Now, wait, he's. He's not openly gay? Yeah, he is openly gay.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

All right, cool.

[Mal]

I mean, I think so.

[Rory]

No, I think it's up that he was touching boys, but I didn't know he was also hiding that he was gay.

[Mal]

He was touching boys.

[Rory]

That's what he got me too for.

[Julian]

No, it wasn't like women. No, it was.

[Rory]

Yeah, it was.

[Mal]

Oh, he was like, what, the church route? Yeah, okay, got it. Oh, okay.

[Rory]

Lot of young, young child boy stars.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

The point is, after he got outed, he became Frank Underwood. Britney seems to become. Now we're seeing the person that her father knew the whole time.

[Mal]

Right.

[Julian]

Which is not good.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And they didn't even do, like, a cool marketing plan, like Sasha Fierce, Beyonce. What was Mariah Carey's around the Heartbreaker time?

[Mal]

Santa Claus.

[Rory]

Mrs. Claus was not her other. She had, like, some other Mimi. It might have been me.

[Mal]

I forgot the Emancipation of Mimi was the name of the album.

[Rory]

No, I'm talking about heart. When I went, my first concert ever, Bianca, she boxed her at the Heartbreaker tour in the garden. It was my first concert ever that my mom took me to.

[Mal]

Your first concert was Mariah.

[Rory]

I've said that on here.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

My first concert ever was Mariah Carey, Heartbreakers.

[Julian]

Or she has an alter ego, Bianca.

[Rory]

Maybe that's who it was. They put a. They put a boxing ring in the garden, like, and she.

[Julian]

Yeah, it was during Heartbreaker.

[Rory]

She boxed. You think I'd forget my first concert? She boxed her. Her older Alti. Her altogether.

[Julian]

It's the bad version of her. It's the evil version of Mariah Carey.

[Mal]

Bianca.

[Rory]

Bianca, she won the fight.

[Julian]

Bianca.

[Rory]

No, Mariah Carey won the fight while she was performing.

[Mal]

Was that a subtle shot at Beyonce?

[Rory]

No, this is before Sasha Fierce and Beyonce.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

Yeah, that was.

[Mal]

Yeah, that was her. That was early. Early, like, late 90s. Early 2000s.

[Rory]

Early 2000s, for sure. It wasn't in the 90s, right? Julian, are you looking?

[Julian]

Well, I have to type with one hand because I don't have a mic stand, so it's kind of difficult.

[Rory]

It was definitely the 2000, I think. Jesus Christ.

[Mal]

It might have been 2000, but.

[Rory]

Well, anyways, we are recording from a secret location.

[Julian]

99.

[Rory]

99.

[Mal]

Oh, there you go. See?

[Rory]

You know, mall. You know, we stay hidden in the hills.

[Mal]

Nope. No, we don't.

[Rory]

It's a secret location. We're at a secret location right now. We're hidden in the hills.

[Mal]

We are At a secret.

[Julian]

We're in one of the tunnels.

[Rory]

We're not in the triple entandre. Don't even ask me how.

[Mal]

I'm not gonna ask you anything.

[Rory]

I hid in.

[Mal]

Never mind. I got it.

[Rory]

It's cool.

[Mal]

We are at a secret.

[Rory]

That's. You know what?

[Mal]

That's fine. You know, came out here to talk some Super Bowl. I didn't see y'all. Since when? What was it, Thursday?

[Julian]

Thursday, yeah, It's. It's a nightcast. By the way, we're recording currently. It's 10pm where we are, and it's.

[Mal]

10Pm three hours behind sick, but it. Man, let's pop.

[Rory]

Before we get to the long list of topics we have to get to, I want to ask out the gate. Do you travel with your own soap? Because I'm starting to find things out about the crew that is making me judge them a little bit.

[Mal]

Yes, I travel with my own toiletries.

[Rory]

So do I. Yeah. So today when we were thinking about, like, yo, we gotta go to Ralph's to do like, a whole run for the crib, people are bringing up shampoo, body wash, lotion. I'm like, y'all don't travel with that?

[Mal]

Yeah, well, I don't. I don't. Well, to be fair, I travel with it, but sometimes I forget to pack it. So I always have to hit, like, a pharmacy and get the travel side shit whenever I land somewhere. But most times I do travel with all my toiletries, though.

[Rory]

And I feel like if you're all checking bags, I put the. The big Dr. Bronner's in my bag because you carry.

[Mal]

Oh, okay.

[Rory]

I do soap, face wash, everything. My own lotion, like, all that. I don't care if you're staying in the nicest hotels.

[Mal]

Yeah. I don't trust it, you know, I'd rather use my own products that I.

[Julian]

I normally use certain things I'm, like, particular about, but. Sure. I don't know. I feel like most of the time, unscented lotion's fine. Things are like that, but I don't know, like, beard stuff, hair stuff. I'm pretty. I need my shit.

[Mal]

But you have. You bring your own shit, though. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

You can't.

[Mal]

You can't travel and try to get, like, a specific beard. No, that's, like, very specific.

[Julian]

Yeah. They wouldn't have that.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I was just curious because before you pulled up, that was a conversation, and I thought maybe I was the one in the minority that traveled with their actual. So not.

[Mal]

No, I do but so at. Sometimes I'll. I'll have, like, just the basics, and I'll need, like, body wash and lotion and mouthwash and like that. And you get that travel side in cvs.

[Julian]

You know what I do that I think is important. And I think everyone that travels a lot should. I travel with a candle from my apartment? Because everywhere I go, especially, like in a bedroom or whatever, I would bring it on tour. The green room smells like home. Very important to me.

[Rory]

I mean, it's. It's a little gay, but I also do the same thing. Like, I keep that point to myself.

[Julian]

Does that make Rory gay?

[Mal]

Oh, yeah. No.

[Rory]

If you don't, you're way more Kevin Spacey with it. Because you talked about it. I always bring a candle because I.

[Julian]

Talked about this every single time I talked about it.

[Mal]

Well, that's. That's what you do. You give, like, a very inviting scent.

[Rory]

Especially I'm checking the bag because I. I was doing it all the time, even when I wasn't checking a bag. And that just gets annoying at tsa. And you already.

[Mal]

Guys.

[Rory]

You guys know how I am. They're going to stop you regardless if you have a candle.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So if I'm not checking, I've pulled back a bit, but forever, I was. Always had a candle anytime I went.

[Mal]

To any hotel on the way out here. Because I travel with the cameras and the pelican case. So, you know, I already knew once you go through tsa. Yeah, right. I already know once you go to tsa, they're going to pull you over and like, yo, who's back? So I'm waiting for it. And so I'm just, like, cool. I'm not. I'm not mad at him opening the pelican case and just looking at it, but if he would have started taking shit out. Because if you ever looked in the pelican case, it's packed very, like, specific. It's very specific. And I'm like, I. I'm not about to stand here and wrap these lenses. Yeah.

[Rory]

You're not a cameraman.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You're used to knowing how to do this shit.

[Mal]

I'm terrified.

[Rory]

Like, I'm. This is in my department.

[Mal]

So he kind of. He kind of. Dude was cool. That dude at jfk, he was kind of cool. Cause he opened it and he looked. And then he kind of looked at me. He looked at his coworker like. Like, I'm not about to go through this shit, man. Like. And I looked at him. I gave him a look like, bro, Please don't start taking that shit out. Cause I'm gonna, like. I'm gonna be mad if I have to put all of this shit back, man. But he was cool. He just looked at it. So it was camera equipment, and he just let me go.

[Rory]

They gave me shit with the scarlet. And the other thing we have for my karma is beautiful. For the live performances that we're doing, I had that in my carry on. And if I looked at it, because, you know, back to being kind of gay, I have, like, my tote bag that's, like, open. I didn't put it in the suitcase or anything. You know, I'm walking with my man purse.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

At the top of it. It definitely looks like I had one of the biggest explosives on planet fucking Earth. The amount of knobs and cords. I was like, this looks like I'm about to strap it to my body and threaten the pilot.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And I was definitely stopped and was asked. This was the first time that when I wasn't going through customs, someone asked me what something was like, what is this? And I'm like, it's for sound equipment.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And, I mean, they just did the bomb. You know, when they wipe it down with the bomb, shit, they little boozied it.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But I'd never been asked at tsa, what is this? That's only a Customs thing.

[Mal]

Well, they. I mean, they see equipment all the time. I just think that they never saw that type of equipment in a tote bag.

[Rory]

Exactly.

[Mal]

That's where it just seems a little like, all right, fam.

[Rory]

Like, should I brought duct tape with it just to, like, really spice things up at tsa.

[Mal]

If you wanted to get through. No, it's like, if you wanted to make it here. No, I don't think you should tape.

[Julian]

Some empty toilet paper. Roll.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

No cardboard to your chest.

[Mal]

Don't around with tsa, man.

[Rory]

I'm trying to think. The last thing before we get to the super bowl role. I wanted to ask you out the gate. I went to go get a haircut before we came out here, and I did not cut my hair. Are you into the idea of me growing my hair out? Pause.

[Mal]

I've been told you that. He was like, it's too much red. It makes you look like, okay, but here.

[Rory]

All right. So I was talking with Tamaris, and I was talking with Julian as well. I was always cool with my fade, skin fade, everything with a beard. Now that I'm getting older within my face and the sleep that I'm losing because of Amara Bags are getting here. I look like a. Like, for real. Look like a cop now. I kind of looked like a cop before.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't look like a cool white person. I'd look like a cop.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I think I have to grow this hair out. I mean, I think it has to happen.

[Mal]

Well, you got to be careful, because when you grow your hair, then you can go from looking like a cop to a firefighter.

[Rory]

Well, I'm Irish, so, you know, we're fdm. Fdm. Why?

[Mal]

Through and through university.

[Rory]

Wow. Like, that was our number one gig as a Irish, yo. You're either a firefighter or you work for the telephone company.

[Mal]

Yeah. Like, Irish. Like, y'all. Irish in New York are like, what? Jamaicans on. Your Jamaicans are either nurses. Irish are either fire. Like, fire to firefighters.

[Rory]

Everyone in my family from my dad's generation above was either the telephone company or a firefighter. Yeah, that's the Irish way to go.

[Mal]

That's it. That's all you need to be.

[Julian]

Firemen are universally loved. Like, police officers. They get all this shit.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

It's a different type of, like, respect that firefighters get as above, because who. Nobody wants, like, the house to burn down.

[Julian]

911. Really? Like, yeah. Put them up there.

[Rory]

So funny about the entire thing is firefighters are just as racist as cops. Oh, but they can't really. There's no authority to their racism.

[Julian]

They don't shoot people.

[Mal]

Yeah, no.

[Julian]

At their peak, they were spraying black people with hoses in the 60s.

[Mal]

Yeah, that was their. That was their. Get back.

[Julian]

That was it.

[Mal]

Turn the truck.

[Rory]

Was that firefighters, though?

[Julian]

No, I think it was the cops.

[Rory]

I think it was the cops with a hose.

[Julian]

Give me that hose.

[Rory]

I don't think that was the firefighters.

[Mal]

The cops calling the firemen to pull the truck up. Yo, back the truck up. These niggas don't want to leave the park.

[Rory]

Respectfully, officer, we're trained to put out fires. You want me to spray the.

[Mal]

Today we're putting out niggers. That's who we're putting out today. Niggers.

[Julian]

Yo. Stealing. There's like, a apartment building burning to the ground. Like. No, no, no.

[Mal]

That.

[Julian]

There's a few black people.

[Mal]

Blacks around the corner congate. And they planted some shit.

[Rory]

Let's go.

[Mal]

Disperse.

[Rory]

But. And again, that's what's weird. If you go to a firehouse, even now, the banter is going to be just as racist as any police station. The only thing is, cops can be racist and keep their job. Matter of fact, they'll get more awards and rise up in the ranks. If firefighters project their racism at a fire with a black person and don't save them, they lose their job. That's why their racism doesn't matter at all. They're gonna save anybody.

[Mal]

Julian's trying to kill a moth with his. His slipper.

[Rory]

I watched it.

[Mal]

What's wrong with you, man?

[Rory]

I actually thought he was about to hit the camera. I was very like, just leave the moth alone.

[Mal]

Just leave. Just leave them off.

[Julian]

I threaded that like Patrick Mahomes.

[Mal]

Just leave him alone.

[Rory]

So out the gate, Super Bowl. I watched it at my guy Azad's crib, and I almost texted Julian to say, I wish you would have flown in one day earlier. When I tell you Azad had 15 of Julian's perfect tens. Perfect like he would have been in heaven if one girl turned him down. He had 14 other chances of his exact replica of a woman.

[Mal]

That's what's up.

[Rory]

It was 15 bad white girls that are shaped exactly the way Julian likes them. Pretty faces. They were all pretty, funny. Had great personalities. I was like, Julian would have found three of his wives here shaped like 6:00.

[Mal]

You know, Julian like.

[Rory]

No, no, no, with that. With the second one where, like, you know, in the second. What's it called?

[Mal]

607.

[Rory]

Like it. It has a tiny bit of a. A shape.

[Julian]

It's the second hand.

[Rory]

No, but you know the one that does the second.

[Julian]

Called the second hand.

[Rory]

No, it's two hands on a clock.

[Julian]

No, those are the minute hands. The second hand.

[Rory]

No, there's the hour hand, then there's.

[Julian]

The minute, the second hand. The one. The small one.

[Rory]

I was saying second out of the two, not second. Anyways, yeah. When it gets to five. Like it.

[Mal]

You're right.

[Rory]

There's a little.

[Julian]

Yeah, it's cool.

[Rory]

It's Brittany, man. It's Brittany. It's Brittany. What you want from me?

[Julian]

Demonstrate the time with your knives, Rory.

[Mal]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

Anyways, no, they. They had shaped. I wouldn't say straight 6:00.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

And even Julian's type aren't all 6:00.

[Julian]

Yeah, none of mine are 6:00.

[Mal]

You like 6:00, but you like. Like a Pilates 6:00? Yeah, like, they have nice, you know, fam.

[Rory]

They do a lot of squats. So there is something.

[Julian]

Not only compared to the date that you crash. For me, how are they, like, comparatively?

[Rory]

She would have done great in that mix. I would say there was a few that were better than her, but she Would have done great in that mix. But yeah, they were like her.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Julian]

I was. We're. I'm in the Texas Odd after this.

[Mal]

Well, hold on. I'm still. I'm still leaning on some. That Rel said earlier Rail said I look like ice Cube boys in the hood because I got an LA hat.

[Rory]

On and it's a lot of blue.

[Julian]

It's a lot of blue.

[Rory]

I see what you did with the laces. Like, this is a great fit.

[Mal]

But shout out to Joe Fresh Goods, man.

[Julian]

Is this like. Is this your way of checking in? Like, when this comes out tomorrow, they'll see this and be like, okay, he's blue. He's Crip, bro.

[Mal]

I think after a certain age you don't check in, you check into your hotel, but that's about it. Where else am I checking in at? I don't go. I go to dinner.

[Rory]

I mean, I don't know my dry snitching. Because at our live show, a rolling 60s crib knocked out all the people there.

[Mal]

Oh, well, he was. He was coming to the show to support our.

[Rory]

Our friend slash security beat the shit out of everybody.

[Mal]

Was coming. He was coming to support. He was coming to show love. That's all he showed love. Yeah. No, a lot of love. Little love taps.

[Rory]

Oh yeah. He did his version of Cameron saying, I smushed the whole birthday cake in his face.

[Mal]

Exactly what it was.

[Rory]

He just did that, but with his fist.

[Mal]

A fish sandwich. That's all it was. A fish.

[Rory]

Where did you guys watch the Super Bowl?

[Mal]

I was in the house. I was in the crib. I was unpacking to pack, but I stayed in the crib. Watched. Was one of the best Super Bowls I've seen in a very long time.

[Rory]

I'm on your side, and I think you and I are the only people on earth.

[Julian]

That game was awful off what I'm on the complete. It got good in the. In the. The last possession of the game was the only time the game got good.

[Rory]

The entire game was good.

[Mal]

It was. It was a tied game pretty much the whole game.

[Julian]

I wasn't exciting.

[Mal]

Nobody expect. Nobody expected Brock Purdy to play the way.

[Julian]

It was a kickoff like a kick out. It was really amazing.

[Rory]

Nothing was exciting. Every drive either had a fumble or a muffler punt or.

[Mal]

That was a really good.

[Rory]

It was in that game. I was at the edge of my seat the entire time.

[Mal]

That was a really good football game.

[Rory]

We're the only ones that think that.

[Mal]

Like, I didn't. I don't. I Didn't want to see a 40 point Super Bowl. Like, I didn't want to see that.

[Rory]

No, we saw it with Brady and Mahomes. They went what, 44 points or some.

[Julian]

Yeah, I don't know. I was at my friend's apartment. There was just four of us. We ordered pizza, all that. Nothing crazy. So we were all like, really actually watching the game, but I just wasn't. We all agreed.

[Mal]

I like the game because I knew. I knew what was going to happen was going to happen. I know I sound like LeBron right there, but I did know that that was going to happen because Pat Mahomes, he made a mistake early. He threw his first interception ever in a Super bowl or postseason maybe. No, it was his first interception, which I thought was a crazy stat for the amount of fucking postseason games he's played in. So when I saw that, I knew that all Kansas City had to do was keep it close for Mahomes to win it for them. And once I saw the game was tied, I was like, there's no way Mahomes is not winning this game.

[Rory]

I will say San Francisco, shocking enough to me, outplayed them the entire game, in my opinion.

[Julian]

Like, their defense is incredible.

[Rory]

I felt like an. Because we were, you know, making bets and everything. And it was a lot of people at the crib. And I was like, I don't think this is going to be as close as y'all think it's going to be. I actually think Kansas City is going to blow them the fuck out.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And everybody. San Francisco was clearly the better team the entire game. But we also kept saying on some LeBron, that's still pat Mahomes.

[Mal]

Still Pat.

[Rory]

Still Pat Mahomes.

[Mal]

Still Patrick Ewan.

[Rory]

Same shit I was saying with Patriots versus Atlanta that year. They still got Tom Brady. Yeah, it's 28. 3, but they still have Tom Brady.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And even though every single drive, I felt like San Francisco was the better team on both sides of the ball, you still have Patrick Mahomes. So they took Kelsey all the way out of that fucking game.

[Mal]

I think Kansas City thought that San Francisco was gonna lay down. Not even a little bit. I think once they saw that San Francisco was there to actually win the game, you know, the defense was a little shaken up. They made some mistakes. Pat Mahomes threw an interception, things like that. Travis Kelce didn't play that well.

[Rory]

I don't know if it's a Travis Kelsey well thing. I. I think. I don't know who the defense, they.

[Mal]

Did A great job covering them.

[Rory]

They tripled them every time.

[Julian]

Did a great job restricting Mahomes on the scramble. Yeah, I was listening. I mean it was great because there were so few of us. We really got to listen to telecast and it was Tony Romo.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

So like it's an educational moment.

[Mal]

It's a quarterback. Yeah.

[Julian]

He taught me so much. He was like watch what they do. They'll tease him to the out and then turn. The defense will come around and turn him to go back inside and force him to stay in the pocket. That's exactly what they did.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Really quick side note. This isn't really a topic on our list but with Brady going to Fox next year I believe wasn't that announced?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

You sign a bag Tony.

[Rory]

I never liked Tony Romo but I just hate the Cowboys so it is what it is. I love Tony Romo now as an announcer. Is Brady going to get him out the paint once he starts with Fox? No, I think Brady is going to be better than him at that entire thing. Like I think Brady, the way we. Romo changed that whole announcing thing from his quarterback brain and smokes it every time. Brady is that times 10.

[Mal]

Oh yeah. This is. This is Michael Jordan reporting from the sideline now.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Julian]

Two different things. How two different skills being able. This is the same way in which someone can be excellent at a position or a skill but it doesn't necessarily mean they're a good teacher at that thing. You. Doesn't necessarily mean you can communicate it better than someone else teaching versus doing something.

[Mal]

I hear what you're saying but I think, I think the fact that we get to now how you just said Tony Romo breaks down the quarterback.

[Julian]

He's an educator. You can hear it in his tone. He's very like.

[Mal]

I think, I think Tom Brady is that as well.

[Rory]

Tom Brady also made.

[Mal]

I just think that he never got a chance to show us that side of him though like that. That side of his personality.

[Rory]

And no disrespect to Julian Edelman or D. Danny Amy. He made a bunch of five 700 pound white guys pro bowlers.

[Mal]

Yeah, he's.

[Rory]

I think he's a pretty good fucking teacher.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

But that's not, that's. That doesn't apply to my art.

[Rory]

Okay. Did you see. And I know people hate when I bring up valuetainment and Pat Bev and all them. Did you see his interview with him? Brady is. I did, I'm sure destined for the microphone. He articulated himself through that interview. I was like this is A star in the making. As far as a personality like Brady.

[Mal]

For sure he's gonna be a solid.

[Julian]

He's better than 375 million.

[Rory]

It's Tom Brady just.

[Mal]

I mean, just having the mind of the greatest, arguably the greatest football player ever, definitely the greatest quarterback ever. Just having his mind and having him be able to do exactly like you said, what Tony Romo does and can articulate what the quarterback is seeing, what he's feeling out there, what the defense is doing. Just having that. That guy on the sideline now and having him reporting, I think that it's, you know, it's going to make the experience of watching the game much better. Like, if Michael Jordan was doing. And play by play, rest in peace.

[Rory]

For so many reasons, I felt that was going to be Kobe's lane eventually as well. Like, yeah, Kobe doing that for the NBA would have been incredible. Insane.

[Mal]

Yeah. Those are the type of guys you want on the sidelines. The guys that played. Excuse me. And one at the highest level, I mean, and the legends. Just being able to hear a legend dissect the game weekly is insane. I mean, we have it now with, you know, a lot of the guys that do it, but a lot of them were before our, like, generation. Like, I mean, you know, we got Tim Bradshaw, those guys, Boomer Sison, and, you know, like, I was a kid when Boomer Sison played. But Brady is the. That's what I'm seeing. That's what I'm saying. Like, Brady was the guy also.

[Rory]

It's a different. Just as far as the. I guess that's considered the media space to some degree. It's a whole different world now. That's why Tony Rome was so great, because before, they would have never allowed that type of. Because people just wanted someone to say first and 10. It's passed this way. Like, people as fans and listeners want more out of the people that are talking.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

So I feel like even though the older legends that we did listen to could have gotten that bag, but the space wasn't like that.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Now I think Brady's not gonna shut the up, and I'm fine with that. Even, like, Eli and Peyton have a great show. Yeah, I enjoy that, too. I can see how it could be a little distracting because they're like, podcasting during the game. But I think it's great.

[Mal]

Yeah, I think it's dope. I think it's cool.

[Julian]

It's funny you mentioned that, like, after. Because there was. After the game was over, Romo was asking the replay Team to, like, play the final play back and still giving defensive breakdowns and offensive schemes. They're like, clearing out the field, bringing out the confetti. And Romo's like, let's look at it one more time. They're like, bro, the game's been over. Yeah, like, that's how much he cares about that shit. It was really funny.

[Mal]

It was a great game. Shout out to the. To the Chiefs on another championship. Shout out to Pat Mahomes. I mean, what he did last night in the second half and in overtime, like, he just never looked, like, phased. He wasn't rushed. He wasn't anxious. He was just like, yo, this is what I do. I'm just at the. I'm just at the park playing football, and I know we're going to get in field goal range, make this field goal, go into overtime, and win the game.

[Rory]

How did you guys feel about Travis Kelce's. Let me speak to the representative moment with Andy Reid on the sidelines? And for those that don't know, I'm.

[Mal]

Sure people watch the game, but he started. He.

[Rory]

He bumped the fuck out of him and was screaming in his face.

[Julian]

I feel him, though.

[Mal]

I mean, I understand. That's. That's just competitiveness. That's. That's. That's just a great player and a great coach knowing that this is for. This is for another champion that was on the Fumble. Yeah, this is for the championship. Like, all right, we need to. Whatever the fuck we gotta do to fix this and win this game, let's fucking do it.

[Julian]

Cause they said the side he went to where the fumble occurred was the side Kelce would've been on. It would have been his bl. Talking side. So he was very animated about not being on the field for that.

[Mal]

That's just competitive. Like, I. A lot of people was like, oh, that's up. He bumped his coach like that. He. I'm like, bro, if you don't understand that, first of all, these guys love each other, but then they are in the midst of the. Another one of the biggest games of their lives, and they want this championship. They do not want to lose this ring.

[Rory]

But even, like, with. I feel y'all, I get the competitiveness. And I've said on here, I think Travis Kelsey's probably the best tight end that's ever lived. Are you adding too much emotions into this? And now making it a thing and a distraction? Yell it. Yell at your coach like, yo, put me in whatever. Like, bumping into somebody. Now we're putting things In a way, different space. Not to say Annie Reid would not focus on the super bowl, but anytime any human, I think, is bumped, especially in a tense situation, they're going to get into regular human mode of like, what the fuck are you doing right now? And not even listen to the real conversation that we're about to have. Yell in his face. I don't give a fuck. But, like, the moment you, Andy Reid's sitting there trying to look at his fucking playbook, and you got Travis Kelce with pads on bumping him. Yeah, I think. I think it was a bit of a mistake. Like, I understand emotion and competitiveness, but you're supposed to be a leader on that team. You need to control some of that for the betterment of what's going on. You could be right and scream, but why are you doing that?

[Mal]

I mean, it's. Again, I understand it. Travis was pretty much locked up all night. Maybe he's yelling to try some different play schemes to get open so he can get the ball. I don't know. I mean, I just know that in that moment that everybody on that sideline wanted to win because they won before.

[Rory]

The funniest meme I saw of him screaming at Andy Reid was, yo, my girl is here. Give me the ball.

[Julian]

Yeah, my is here.

[Rory]

Yo, my is in the stands. You're gonna have me looking crazy to her.

[Julian]

They addressed the moment after the game and asked Kelsey about it. And he said, I was telling him how much I loved him, which is a great response. And then, you know, they had the professional lip reader step in. One guy said, it looks like he said, keep me in you. I'm calm now. And then another guy said, it looks like he said, hey, come on, you fucker, Put me on.

[Mal]

So which warranted either or he wants to be in the game because he wants to help his team win. And like you said, Rory, he is arguably the greatest tight end ever. He wants to be on the field. So I understand that in a moment, but it was a great game. Shout out to the Chiefs. Shout out to the 49ers. I think they'll be right back again in the next couple years. They'll get another shot at it. I just think it's Pat Mahomes league, obviously.

[Rory]

And how old is. How old is Pat Holmes? 28. 28 years old.

[Julian]

4, 3 rings, 3, 5. He has not. He's 6. He's never missed the AFC championship game.

[Rory]

28 years old with that many.

[Julian]

The lowest he's gone is AFC Championship sick.

[Mal]

They just gave him 500 M's, what, three years ago? Four years ago. As I've said, he's about to get another. 500.

[Julian]

Flirting with these Brady legacy real early in his career.

[Mal]

Oh, no, he's. He's doing more than flirting with it.

[Julian]

No, it's gonna send the whites into a tizzy, man. He is going to.

[Mal]

He's.

[Rory]

Oh, wait. All right. See, I'm on y'all side, but. But I will just. I'll argue the other side purposely right now.

[Julian]

No, because you guys.

[Rory]

Three. Three rings, and he's. I'm playing with someone that has seven.

[Julian]

Comparatively at this time. I'm not.

[Rory]

I know. That's why I said he's 28 years old. Crazy that he is three at 28.

[Julian]

Years old, comparatively, at this phase in his career.

[Mal]

He has seven rings.

[Rory]

Tom Brady has seven rings over 20 years. Mahomes is what he's been at 10.

[Julian]

Super Bowls, six years in, and he's has three. He's batting 50% with rings.

[Mal]

Listen, bro, he's setting himself. He's on. He's on pace.

[Julian]

He's way ahead of pace.

[Mal]

He's on pace. Like, if he stays healthy for the next five years, I think he's going to get there another three times, at least in the next five years.

[Rory]

Okay, but how long? All right, see this while I go on the other side, because I do agree with you. I'm. I'm team Pat Mahomes, and I think there's a huge possibility that he can teeter with what Brady has done.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

How long is Annie Reid gonna want to be a coach?

[Mal]

As long as he keep.

[Rory]

They've already broken up the team a few times with the Chiefs, and that's why I think Pat is great, because they still come back and, well, they.

[Mal]

Thought Travis was going to retire. He made that clear last night that he's not.

[Rory]

No, that was gonna be my next point. A lot of the younger players, which I respect and love, I think Marshawn lynch was probably one of the first people to set that precedent. Outside of Barry Sanders, of course, but retiring a little early so I don't ruin my fucking life forever. Because you could be brain dead damn near when you're 35 if you stay in the league from 21 to 35 years old. I think a lot of players are retiring early. And I could also see Pat Mahomes.

[Julian]

No, not when you're flirting with history of this level.

[Rory]

But I'm saying if you're not in the right situation, we can't guarantee that the Chiefs will always be in the right situation that Pat Mahomes will feel like I need to possibly ruin because that's what's so crazy about football. Retiring your 30s is common.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You're 30. You're very young for earth.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm not maybe going to ruin my entire life if the situation's not good. Maybe my coach is going at this point. Brady stayed in a great situation for so long and was about to retire, and then Tampa gave him a great situation. They got a bunch of weapons, everything he needed, and was like, I'll give it two, I'll give it two, three more years. If Pat's not in that situation, I could see him retiring and not getting to seven Super Bowls. Like, that's not an easy fucking foot to do.

[Mal]

Well, I mean, he's. Again, he's already halfway there. He's only 20. What, six?

[Julian]

28.

[Mal]

28. Say he has another.

[Julian]

He's three and one in the Super Bowl.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

In six years he's been to four.

[Mal]

That's insane.

[Julian]

He's a three time Super bowl champion, three time MVP, two time NFL MVP. Like NFL offensive player of the year. Like, he's.

[Mal]

Listen, I'm on board. He's. He's definitely the guy that, you know, just as a sports fan looking at the game, you can tell that, oh, no, he's gonna dominate the league for a very long time.

[Rory]

I don't doubt that at all. But I will say we're talking about someone with three Super Bowls that's competing with someone that has seven over the.

[Julian]

Course of 20 years.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

You still got time.

[Mal]

Got a lot of time.

[Julian]

At this point in his career, again, it's there.

[Mal]

If he stays healthy, you know, things like that, it's a lot to factor in. But he's already in that conversation of, okay, this is his league. Every team is going to have to go through Pat Mahomes and the Chiefs to win a Super bowl, obviously. And again, as long as they just keep putting, you know, some athletic guys around him and just letting him, you know, pick the field apart, I think he's going to be in the super.

[Julian]

Bowl again because this was a down year for them.

[Rory]

Definitely was.

[Julian]

They weren't nearly as good as they were in the past couple years.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

And I mean, of course, course we're not the sports podcast. So I'll also ask you guys, did you participate in the Twitter challenge of anytime they showed Taylor Swift take a shot? No, no, I didn't participate either, but people in the house were trying to do that. And at that point, I was like, I guess I. I'm gonna have to drive. I'm gonna have to drive a bunch.

[Julian]

Company. I would have done it.

[Mal]

Yeah. No, I can't. Somebody else.

[Julian]

Sick.

[Rory]

That's a sick.

[Mal]

He was with that company for sure.

[Julian]

I tell what it is. Double shot.

[Mal]

There was another thing going around. I saw they were like. People were trying to guess which song Usher was gonna open with.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

So everybody had their picks. And it was like, all right, if it's not the song that you picked. Everybody got a drink. I think the entire country had a drink. Nobody thought Usher was gonna start his super bowl halftime performance with Caught up.

[Rory]

Which was the best move ever. Cause I was on the. Yeah. Or oh, my God. Side. I was thinking out the gate for the whites.

[Mal]

Like, right.

[Rory]

To keep them locked in. Like, okay, this is the first one. Maybe I won't change the channel. Caught up was the perfect start.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Am I crazy to say this was one of the best super bowl halftime shows in at least. This was 20 years.

[Julian]

I loved it.

[Mal]

Damn. You said this was the best one in 20 years. Damn. This is so. This is better than Beyonce.

[Rory]

Better than Beyonce. And Bruno Mars was. Was great. Don't get me wrong. I just think how much they put into it.

[Mal]

Wait, she didn't have her own show yet.

[Rory]

I think it was Beyonce and Maroon 5, right?

[Julian]

Yeah, it was. She did that, and then she did it again with Coldplay.

[Rory]

Coldplay. That's what I was thinking of.

[Mal]

But do we think she gets it next year?

[Rory]

And I also, you know, I think the. The Dr. Dre one was really good, but I think bias wise, I thought that was really good. I'm talking. I'm trying to be objective in this entire thing. Yeah, I could see that not being ranked on the list because that was very much like core fan base. If we're getting down to super bowl performances, watching Dr. Dre.

[Mal]

Sn. Yeah.

[Rory]

Kendrick and like, that's. That's. We like it. But I don't know if the whole world did quick. That one was.

[Julian]

She did 2013 alone. Beyonce. And she popped out on the other ones as well.

[Mal]

But 2013, Beyonce had to have had a Super bowl halftime show already. Like, I feel like I remember seeing she had the whole field. It was like, it was her set in New Orleans. Yeah.

[Rory]

What, you know, the one she did with Bruno was when everyone was mad at her because they said she dressed like Malcolm X. And I was like, I've never seen Malcolm X's ass before, so I don't know what y'all talking about.

[Mal]

People just be talking. People.

[Rory]

Like, that was the outrage the next day. Like, how could Beyonce dresses? And then, you know, they went through Malcolm X. I'm like, I've never seen Malcolm Xs.

[Mal]

Oh, Malcolm was only in a suit. Never seen Malcolm and jeans in my life.

[Rory]

I've never seen this.

[Mal]

But whatever.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, I know I'm getting gassed up and actually contradicting myself about the whole Pat Mahomes legacy thing.

[Julian]

And.

[Rory]

And I'm living in the moment with this Usher performance. But, yeah, I think it's up there. For the last 20 years, as far as performances go, the entire thing, there was not one wasted moment. Every single thing had a purpose.

[Mal]

Like, what year was Prince? Prince?

[Julian]

2007.

[Mal]

Prince still has the greatest superhero.

[Julian]

That is the greatest.

[Rory]

That was 07.

[Mal]

Yeah. That's still the greatest ever. You know?

[Julian]

You guys know I'm Rain in Miami.

[Rory]

I'm Rain man with Rain during Purple Rain.

[Mal]

Are you fucking kidding me?

[Rory]

That was it. Like, you can't.

[Mal]

You can't plan.

[Julian]

And the lights are purple. The rain look purple.

[Mal]

You can't plan that.

[Julian]

That.

[Rory]

But it's. What is it, 20, 24?

[Julian]

Yeah, it's still within 20 years.

[Rory]

Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah, no, I. I actually didn't realize it was 2007, though. I'm usually rain man with eight. I. I would have thought that was like, 04.

[Mal]

Yeah, you said 20 years. So I'm like, whoa, we got.

[Rory]

Yeah, 20 years.

[Julian]

Well, 04. Speaking of 04. That was the Janet Jackson Timberlake year.

[Mal]

Yep. Titty gate.

[Julian]

Titty gate.

[Rory]

So 20 years. I think I'm still.

[Mal]

It's definitely up there. It's top. It's top in the last 20 years. It's top three for sure.

[Rory]

And we. Well, here's the thing. We never even talk about the Janet Justin performance as if it was just a performance. We talk about the titty.

[Mal]

Yeah, well, that's the show.

[Rory]

When was the last time y'all went back and watched to see if it was really a good performance? Because I haven't in a long time.

[Julian]

No, I just went back and saw the titty.

[Mal]

Well, I went back and watched it, and I'm on.

[Rory]

So how could we rank it? I'm talking about performances, not, like, moments that.

[Mal]

Because Janet Jackson. I told you, I'm doing this thing now where I'm going back and looking at all the whites that we call great. And I'm just, like, looking at their performances. It was cool. Like, the Justin shit was cool.

[Rory]

But insula. I'm with you.

[Mal]

But it's. It's only because y'all said. Well, Rory said that Justin and Usher would be a better versus than. Than Usher and Chris.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Julian]

We're not doing this.

[Rory]

I'm not doing again.

[Mal]

No, I'm just saying after that doing it again last night.

[Julian]

Chris deserves the next Super Bowl.

[Mal]

He definitely does.

[Rory]

No, he doesn't.

[Mal]

Yes, he. Why not?

[Rory]

I think everything just proved Usher. Usher set the precedent of how this goes.

[Mal]

But wait, wait, wait. But why do you think Chris Brown doesn't deserve the next one or the next out of the probably next three years?

[Rory]

I knew this question was going to come up and I thought about it in my. In my crib.

[Mal]

Good.

[Rory]

Of how I was going to go about. Because we were joking in the group chat during the show and I was like, I know mall's actually going to really want to have this conversation. I'm fine to have it. And I'm tired of looking. I'm tired of looking like the guy that just hates on Chris Brown when I actually really like Chris Brown. I think in 15 years or 10 years. Let's do 10 years. Chris Brown would make sense for the Super bowl in 15 years next year. Chris Brown is not at the relevancy for the whole world at this point. Based off the music he's putting out right now. I think one of the biggest world right now. Once he becomes a real legacy act, he will be perfect.

[Mal]

The way usher sensational with DeVito or Davido. I always say his name, right?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

It's one of the biggest records in the world right now.

[Rory]

Cool. That's never gotten someone a Super bowl performance.

[Mal]

I'm not saying it did.

[Julian]

I think he'll need to do it as a legacy act. That's what Rory saying.

[Rory]

I'm trying to say the way Usher.

[Mal]

Got it now is Usher not doing his legacy act?

[Julian]

That's what we're saying.

[Rory]

Yeah. And I'm saying it makes sense. Usher made sense now because he is a legacy act. He doing the Vegas legacy shit. I'm actually kind of complimenting Chris Brown that he's too active right now to do will make sense when he.

[Mal]

I mean Bruno got one. He's not a layout. He's not a. That wasn't his legacy.

[Rory]

Way different. Way different.

[Mal]

What's the lane?

[Julian]

That's pop whites.

[Mal]

Chris Brown's not pop.

[Julian]

No.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

Bruno was. Bruno was.

[Mal]

I'm not here to argue relevant.

[Rory]

Like at that moment was the biggest artist in the world. It was 24 charismagic it was undeniable. I'm saying if Chris did that right now, of course Chris would make sense for the Super Bowl. But he's making niche music for a certain crowd, and it's not the whole world. So in 10 years, he should get his flowers and do a Super Bowl.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

It makes no sense now. Zero.

[Julian]

Like mall. He's not gonna leapfrog the previous high that he had 15 years ago. It's never gonna. He's not gonna become that level again of, like, superstardom. So now he's in the phase of put on these or, like, become a little less active weight. And then it becomes the reminiscing. Like Usher set was a reminiscent, like, go through it, caught up. You don't have to call superstar. Loving the club. Alicia came out. Did ain't got you. They did my boo Confessions nice and slow.

[Rory]

Burn.

[Julian]

Bad girl. You got it bad.

[Rory]

Oh, my God.

[Mal]

He dropped. He dropped the ball on bad girl. I feel like Usher. That was his moment. He should have had Kayla come out then.

[Julian]

Turned down for what? And yeah.

[Mal]

How gangster would that have been, Rory?

[Rory]

I saw it.

[Mal]

How gangster would that have been?

[Rory]

I'm not saying. I'm not saying you're tealing.

[Mal]

I'm not.

[Rory]

I can't speak. I'm not saying you're stealing tweets, but was it Diani? Someone tweeted that, like, really a week ago. And I favorited it and was like, oh, that would be the craziest.

[Mal]

That would have been. Let me yo famous. Let me tell you something. Chiefs lose if that happens. There's no way. There's no way. Travis and them in the locker room know that Kayla's on stage for Bad girl Usher and they come out and win the second half.

[Rory]

And for those that don't know no way. Those that don't know, Kayla, a friend of the show, is Travis's ex before Taylor. I think that would have been.

[Mal]

And she's bad.

[Rory]

She's gorgeous. That would have been. I don't know why he didn't do it.

[Julian]

Oo.

[Mal]

That would have been gangster.

[Julian]

Is there a relationship there?

[Mal]

It don't need to be.

[Rory]

I don't know.

[Julian]

Why would Usher choose to take a shot Shot at the Chiefs and Travis Keller? I'm just saying, like, it's not.

[Mal]

It's not so much a shot. It's kind of like a, you know, like. No, no, no. It's kind of like, yo, you know, everybody kind of trying to write you off because Taylor's obviously one of the biggest stars in the world, and your ex is with her now. And it's. But when y'all were a couple, y'all. Y'all had social media in a frenzy. Everybody was posting y'all.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Like, now everybody's kind of, like, forgetting y'all. Even the commentator last night when they. Travis and. And Taylor was walking off, he said, look at that couple. Like, you could tell they're in. They're in love. Like, bro, they've been dating four months. Like, what are you talking about, bro? Like, come on. I get it. It's Taylor Swift. I know what it does. It brings her audience to the Super Bowl.

[Rory]

But in my opinion, they're just kissing cousins. I don't even think, like, yeah, like, I get it.

[Mal]

I get it.

[Julian]

Someone tweeted. It was like, Taylor just discovered football has been a fan for four months. Meanwhile, I've been a lifelong fan for 20 years. My team never won shit. She's been fan for 10 seconds and won a Super Bowl.

[Mal]

It's insane. Poor Ice Spice didn't know.

[Julian]

She didn't know a damn.

[Mal]

She didn't know that. She didn't know exactly what was happening. She didn't know exactly how big that single thing that last drive was. She. She had no idea. Like, she was in the stadium for, like, a legendary performance. She has no idea. Like, they just did vibes, you know.

[Rory]

I think probably at one point during the Usher performance, looked everyone's like, oh, I know this one.

[Mal]

Yeah. Yeah. Like, I. I mean, just.

[Rory]

I think, yeah. Out of one. Out of one song, out of the whole set. I'm sure Ice Spice was like, oh, yeah, I know this one.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yes. I mean, but why not?

[Mal]

It was definitely.

[Julian]

Yeah, it was probably.

[Mal]

Everybody knows. Yeah. Yeah, that's the White's great greatest hit.

[Rory]

I do need to apologize and say I was wrong not. Not to name. I don't know if it's a name drop, but I went to dinner with Elliott Wilson on Friday, and we were discussing that. I. He thinks I'm crazy for saying the clock is on with Ice Spice.

[Julian]

You are.

[Rory]

And I said, I know that sounds insane, but even look how they handled her with the Grammys, she's not Taylor's bestie anymore. And I. I said some of that on this pod. So I either want to apologize or take some credit that someone listened to me and made sure that Taylor and Ice Spice were best friends again.

[Mal]

No, you gotta apologize.

[Rory]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

[Mal]

They were always still cool. They just weren't together every day.

[Rory]

Well, I Have an ego sometimes.

[Mal]

I get it.

[Rory]

I'm here to apologize. I still stand by a lot of my theories with the clock being on. I. I think it's great that they walked in the super bowl together. I think all eyes were on her. But if it's going to take those moments to continue it on, I, again, don't know how long it's going to last.

[Mal]

I think it's going to be. It's going to last a while, which I understand why you think the clock is on, but it's not on yet. It's not on.

[Julian]

Yeah. Speaking of friends, Alicia and Usher, outside of his great performance, that was the moment that Alicia looked great. That deep embrace that they had at the end there.

[Mal]

Well, I mean, you know, it's just a little, you know, in front of millions of people.

[Julian]

Ma, how would you take that if that was your queen?

[Mal]

I mean, listen, man, first of all, you letting her go up there with Usher for his halftime super bowl show, you gotta. You gotta understand what's coming with that.

[Rory]

Which his whole theme for the last year is ruining marriages.

[Mal]

Yeah. And you know what song. You know what song that Garrett would perform together.

[Julian]

Literally, My Boo.

[Mal]

They only have one, so together.

[Rory]

If y'all remember the My Boo video, which was a phenomenal video.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

It ends with them as, like, kids picture of, like.

[Mal]

But they know they. They meet in Times Square. Yeah, they meet in Times Square and just, like, happen to be in the city at the same time and just start dancing in the middle of Times Square, like.

[Rory]

And then you got.

[Mal]

You.

[Rory]

You got the Polaroid of them when they were young as, like, it's a lot of history that. All right, this is how I put it. If you're dating someone that's a performer, you got to hold it down. And when your girl has to go perform, she's got to perform.

[Mal]

So perform.

[Rory]

Go perform with somebody you don't know that you haven't known since she was 12.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's a little.

[Rory]

That's a history now. I can't even.

[Mal]

History. It's a lot of inside jokes. There's a lot of intimate moments there.

[Rory]

Are you giggling with him?

[Mal]

Yeah. It's like, what y'all laughing at? Because I wasn't there. So now I'm on the outside of an inside joke with my girl and some. Some handsome R and B singer. Like, I don't like that. I just don't like that. Swiss. If I'm Swiss. You know, it's just like, I'm in the house just slamming today.

[Rory]

Like, but this.

[Mal]

This is where I'm just slamming doors.

[Rory]

And, like, this is where I play the other side. Swizz did the right thing. The way he reacted in his caption. He didn't go.

[Mal]

He had to.

[Rory]

He didn't go. Well, he watched. We know Swizz is smart and studies the game. He watched what happened when Kiki Palmer's man went. Right. He jumped out the window.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

And when. Crazy.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Even if people feel like he was right, he made himself look nuts and insecure.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

The only way Swizz could have reacted to that was that's a performer. They're performing.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Love.

[Mal]

He said, y'all paying attention to the wrong thing. Y'all didn't see that big ass dress? That was the size.

[Julian]

Yeah. Yep. Y'all talking about the wrong damn thing. Y'all don't see that amazing dress covering the entire stadium?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Eye popping, glittering red Dolce and Gabon, all that.

[Mal]

No, Alicia looked great. When she stood up and started walking, I was like, oh, man, that's just incredible shit. Like, I didn't.

[Julian]

Well, fuck that. How would you guys react?

[Mal]

You got to react the same way Swizz did. I'm.

[Rory]

Oh, no.

[Julian]

Privately, how would you react?

[Rory]

I wouldn't actually. I actually wouldn't say anything Privately.

[Julian]

Privately.

[Mal]

Oh, I'm on Usher's. I'm on his head in my house with my girl. Okay, but are you that, like, you got to go in. You got to like, yo, you them. Tell me.

[Julian]

Just tell me why you guys.

[Mal]

I ain't gonna be mad. Yeah, you just tell me. Like, y'all before. Yeah, like, I know that. I know that. That embrace from the back. I do that with all the chicks I used to, but we just friends now.

[Rory]

Like, you know what? I think the male version of, like, you know when girls say, just tell me the truth, I won't be mad. Just tell me the truth. Yeah, I think the male version of that is like, yo, the past is the past. I don't give a. I just gotta know. Did you Them?

[Mal]

Yeah, just tell me, because I'm thinking about doing a couple songs.

[Rory]

I don't think the past is the past. I'm just saying that.

[Mal]

So I want to know. This is Usher, though. You kind of got it. And it's up. Because what you going. You kind of got to just take that. You gotta accept that.

[Rory]

Well, yeah. I mean, they've known each other. They were young.

[Mal]

What's wrong with that?

[Julian]

Yeah, but when we were younger.

[Mal]

Yeah, but still, that, that, that, that. That back hug. From the back. Don't hug my wife in the back.

[Julian]

You don't think that was a moment.

[Mal]

Of you could do your little moonwalk and shit like that, but don't hug my girl from the back.

[Rory]

We. I mean, we don't know. No, obviously, but we kind of know that Swizz and Alicia, how close they are outside of marriage. Like, they're actually one of the few couples that I think are, like, for real, love each other in these industry. Couple going like, they're really a team.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Swizz had to have been there for all rehearsals.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So, like, you think it was new choreography?

[Julian]

Oh, he freestyled that.

[Rory]

Like the way we were talking about the last episode when Chappelle did a different monologue during dress rehearsals. And then when they went live, you.

[Mal]

Think you could tell by the way.

[Rory]

The back hug was in the.

[Mal]

You could tell by the way Alicia smiled like, she. She. He. That. That was. That was. He just freestyled that. That was an ad lib. Alicia smiled too hard like, yo.

[Julian]

And he put that white glittery glove on her. Come on. Come on, man. It was sweating and.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, it was. You know, it was the pearls.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah. You got to put glitter on. Glitter that red with that white glitter. You got to do that.

[Rory]

But how do you. How else do you perform a record called My Boo? Like, you're. Choreography wise. How else do you do it? That would look weird if you're like Swiss.

[Mal]

Say, you got to stay in your zone, zone, zone, zone. Back the up on my wife. Like, stay out of her zone. Go moonwalk. This is a big stage. Go moonwalk on that side of the football field. Yeah, like, go down there. Go to the 30 yard line. My. Don't be getting right behind.

[Rory]

Okay, but if. If you're sliding through Will I Am's legs on a song that didn't require it.

[Mal]

I didn't like that Usher. He never made a song that made me want to slide between a leg like that. What song was that? That was. Oh, my God. Right?

[Julian]

Oh, my God.

[Mal]

I never liked that.

[Julian]

That was. Oh, my God.

[Mal]

I never liked that song.

[Rory]

There's not a single. Unless I was.

[Julian]

You think he freestyled that?

[Rory]

Unless I was sliding into home plate, I can't think of any time I'd slide through a man's legs.

[Mal]

Yeah. What was that doing right there?

[Rory]

But if you're doing that on that choreography. If my boo comes on.

[Mal]

Yeah, you gotta.

[Rory]

Now you. I have to touch her. I just slid through Will I Am's legend.

[Julian]

She kind of botched that note. So do you think it was like.

[Rory]

But which is like. I mean, it's Lucia, but I'm saying.

[Julian]

Do you think that's a moment of, like, I got you. Like, he was doing it in a moment, Like, I'm. You're still here.

[Mal]

You stumbled. Let me catch you.

[Julian]

Let me hold you.

[Mal]

Yeah, I got you. But, yeah, if I'm switched, like, let my queen fall.

[Rory]

Yeah. No, to me, that's actually more offensive. Yeah, it's more offensive. No, I'm gonna talk. I'm gonna talk to her.

[Mal]

Yeah, I got this. After the. After the show, we'll do Trustful. Yeah. Don't we not doing that. Don't. You can't get behind my wife like that. Hell no. Fuck. Nah, that was too. That was a little too. Come on, fan.

[Rory]

Okay. Let me add a whole new scenario into this. This is actually why I wish Damaris was here, because I'd like to hear the women's perspective. Swizz and Alicia went viral when they were on vacation with Swizz ex wife, and they was all laying on the beach together. Swizz has gotten off a lot of stuff where Alicia's been understanding. You know, I know he got kids and, like, they want to do family vacation. The mom gotta come. I actually understand all that.

[Mal]

I'm not.

[Rory]

I think that's actually beautiful.

[Mal]

They did it. Yeah.

[Rory]

But if you. If you're able to get that shit off and your girl is cool, laying on a beach with your ex during a Super bowl performance, maybe Usher can give my girl a back hug. There has to be some balance.

[Mal]

That was in private. We was on the beach. That was private. This is the biggest.

[Rory]

That hit every tabloid on earth.

[Mal]

Yeah, but this is the biggest stage in the world right now. This is a Super bowl halftime show. People that don't watch football is watching this.

[Rory]

I hope y'all don't take this the wrong way, because Swizz is a legend. How many people do y'all think that watch that know that Alicia Keys is married to Swizz Beats.

[Julian]

Oh.

[Rory]

So, like, in that. In that point of view, like, I.

[Mal]

Mean, if you know Alicia Keys, you know who she's married to?

[Julian]

People.

[Rory]

No. All people know Alicia Keys.

[Mal]

You think somebody doesn't know who Alicia Keys. You think somebody that knows Alicia Keys and who she is doesn't know who she's married to?

[Julian]

You know, Usher's married.

[Rory]

I found that out today.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Never knew that.

[Julian]

No. You see?

[Mal]

No, but I mean, I knew he. He was married before this, too, though. I Don't know. I didn't know he just got married.

[Rory]

I know that's my mom theory when it comes to this type of stuff. My mom loves Alicia Keys music, you know, loves everything about. She has no. I'm sure my mom knows that Alicia Keys is married, but if I asked who's Alicia Keys married to, she would not have the answer of his name. She probably just go, I know she's married, but she wouldn't be like, oh, you know the guy that made Stop Drop roll with dmx.

[Mal]

You got your mom. Your mom's be like, Showtime. She'll know. Exactly. She'll fuck Rory up with that. Yo, your mom scream on Showtime. If you actually. Yo, who Alicia Keys married to?

[Julian]

That's.

[Mal]

Your mom's yelling, Showtime is crazy.

[Rory]

Because here's the thing. My mind would start to wander and wonder. I wouldn't even put that with Swizz Beats now. I wonder what.

[Mal]

Yeah, how you know that's his ad lib.

[Rory]

How you know what black dude, you and said Showtime. I wouldn't think she would put that with. With Swizz. I think my mom just some black dude that from Yonkers, too, when she was at Mount St. Vincent just. He was blowing it, blowing her back out and yelled, Showtime. That's what I would think. I wouldn't think she was a Swizz fan.

[Mal]

Oh, man, that is crazy. Yeah, man. I was hoping Usher brought Kayla out. I ain't gonna lie, man.

[Rory]

Kayla. Kayla, I don't think would do it because I think she's for her own mental health.

[Mal]

What the super. First of all, she's a model, so actually we just need a model in that moment.

[Rory]

Oh, no. That's why I think it would work, because he had a bunch of models. Like, Kayla being the one would be like one of those subtle Easter eggs that would eventually go viral.

[Julian]

Focus on this thing. As if the Usher was against the Chiefs.

[Mal]

No, it's not about being against the Chiefs. It's just knowing that obvious. Okay. Taylor Swift is in the building.

[Julian]

You don't think there's also a pressure from the NFL? You have to be neutral.

[Rory]

No, I think there was probably pressure from Usher saying, hey, this is my super bowl performance. Do not cut to Taylor Swift dancing to my music 70 times.

[Mal]

Yeah. And I'm just bringing out a bad girl. She's a. She's a model, so just. She just happens to be the ex of somebody that's playing in the game tonight.

[Rory]

And if you're already the petty guy, like, with your residency down to The Alicia Keys back hug. Yeah, let me stir up some. Usher's been doing nothing but stirring up relationships and ex relationships.

[Mal]

Yeah, man.

[Rory]

Gotta throw Kayla in that st. Go all the way.

[Mal]

It bring Kayla out there, let her walk her beautiful ass up and down. You know what I mean? And have Travis in that locker room slamming his helmet against the fucking wall.

[Rory]

Because there was plenty of just models that weren't even dance. That was just there.

[Mal]

Yeah, exactly.

[Rory]

You got like. You got to just have Kayla walk that. It could be a two second thing.

[Mal]

That would have been fire. That's like cultural shit. That's like. You know what I mean? Like, this is for social media. Wink, wink. Like here, y'all can have fun with this tonight. You know how crazy that would have went on social media?

[Julian]

No, I get it. I get it.

[Rory]

Would have been a moment. Usher, from a business standpoint, the way Taylor Swift has just been added into the NFL at this point.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You don't think that there would be a million think pieces tweets, like once that all adds up, that that's Taylor's boyfriend's ex that came out in Usher's performance. Now everyone's gonna re. Watch that Usher halftime non stop. Like, why would you not do that?

[Mal]

Exactly. Watch last year. She was at the super bowl last year, right? Kayla? Yeah, they won it last year, right?

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah, they. They're back to back.

[Rory]

She was there last year was 2024. No, she wasn't.

[Mal]

She was not. She was there last year, bro. We not doing that.

[Rory]

No, I was.

[Mal]

We can check that.

[Julian]

She might have been there. The other. The one of the.

[Rory]

She's been. No, she's been to the last one.

[Mal]

No, they.

[Rory]

They had broken up.

[Julian]

That was a gap year.

[Mal]

Really? Nah, I think she.

[Rory]

I'm actually kind of positive.

[Mal]

I think she was there. We got to pull that up, Julian. I think she was.

[Rory]

When was I. When was I? Courtside at the Sparks. La Sparks game. What year was that?

[Julian]

Why would we know that?

[Rory]

Because we were all here together and I invited 2022, then 100. They were. She was not at that super bowl because that day, all LinkedIn, they.

[Julian]

So they won. They. They went 2020.

[Rory]

And also, like, doesn't really matter.

[Julian]

2020 and then 23, 24.

[Mal]

Oh, so they didn't win last year.

[Julian]

No, they won.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

And I'm saying they were not together at that time because in 2022.

[Julian]

I remember she was at 2020.

[Rory]

Yes. And why. I know that makes no sense to the listeners of why I'm adding this up with me being courtside at the LA Sparks game.

[Mal]

That's a sick game to be courtside at.

[Rory]

Was there to support Lexi.

[Mal]

No.

[Julian]

Shout out Lexi.

[Mal]

I know why you were there, but I'm just saying, like.

[Rory]

And now she's in our space too. Now I'm like, now I almost want to hit Lexi Brown. Like, she's comp. Now. Like, she went from a friend to competition.

[Julian]

Yeah, that's the ops.

[Rory]

Yeah, she's smoking in the media space now.

[Mal]

That's what's up. Shout out to Lex, man.

[Rory]

No, I love that she's. She's doing well. But, yeah, that night we left there to go link with Kayla, and that's why I'm like, oh, there's no way that they were together at that time.

[Mal]

Got you. Okay.

[Rory]

Not like. Don't say not like that.

[Julian]

Nice.

[Rory]

No, we just discussed it. That's all.

[Julian]

That's cool.

[Rory]

See this. How this. I don't even.

[Julian]

Whatever.

[Mal]

No, I get it.

[Julian]

No, it's music won the Super Bowl. So I think commercial wise, who had a better commercial run, Beyonce or Kanye? I'm here to argue both.

[Mal]

Beyonce has arguably the greatest commercial of all time. Arguably.

[Rory]

It was. It was an incredible commercial of all time. Is. Is a crazy statement when it comes to commercials.

[Mal]

That might have been one of the greatest commercials of all time. That's. That's up there. It's in the conversation.

[Rory]

What was the brand that did the. The what's up thing? What's up?

[Mal]

Oh, it was a beer. What's that beer?

[Julian]

Budweiser from Scream.

[Rory]

Like, come on, man.

[Julian]

It's a scary movie.

[Rory]

That was like. Yeah. To say, I think back to my point of the 20 year thing, we could start having conversations within year marks. But to say that Beyonce commercial was the best commercial is insane.

[Mal]

Beyonce of the United States, like, she turned her name into a fucking botus. Yeah. Yeah. Like, come on, bro.

[Rory]

Beyonce, she's blood president.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, that's cool.

[Julian]

That was cool.

[Mal]

And then she dropped. Dropped two songs right after that. The end of the commercial was. Okay, drop the music.

[Rory]

That was my issue.

[Mal]

That's insane. It dropped like that.

[Rory]

That was my issue with being at a Super bowl party with all of Julian's type. They were great, but I was the only one, like, scrambling once I realized Beyonce put a two pack out.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I was like, yeah, we could mute at commercial time. Like, not throw this on the.

[Mal]

Don't do that.

[Julian]

White women love Beyonce.

[Rory]

I agree. But your type, like, don't put this on. They're there for Taylor they're not really there for.

[Julian]

I didn't know any of those women. I wasn't there.

[Rory]

They were just friends. I wasn't any of them.

[Mal]

Yeah, but they were swifties, though.

[Rory]

They were 100 Swifties, which is fine. I like Taylor, too.

[Julian]

So what do you think? Texas hold them in 16 carriages. Did you hear, Matt?

[Mal]

I think 16 carriages is incredible.

[Rory]

Here's the thing. I'm part of the Beehive. Texas Hold'em to me was a shitty first single because to me, it's very cheesy country. Sixteen Carriages is nuts. That record is so good. But Texas hold'em, where she went full country, to me is very cheesy cruise ship type country. And I'm not a country fan, so I'm probably not the person that should be saying this. It just felt.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

I used to shut up, like the way. All right. On. On Lemonade, you see how we.

[Mal]

You used to shut up that you're.

[Rory]

Not a country on Lemonade, DADD Lessons or whatever the actual name is.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Is a fire country record to me. Like, Beyonce took country and made country. Beyonce, but it's still country as.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

Texas Hold'em to me was Beyonce damn near doing karaoke cosplay country. Whereas 16 carriages is Beyonce taking country into her world and smoking. So I get the two pack. But me, I'm just speaking from my personal. Yeah, that Texas hold him. It may grow. I'm sure it'll grow on me. It's Beyonce and it's catchy.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Out the gate, I was like, out of the two. It's too catchy is the one, though.

[Mal]

Out of the two.

[Rory]

I was also a little disappointed, though, because they were leading up to it. Even before the commercial when she was announcing. What is it, March 29th.

[Julian]

Yep.

[Rory]

That her album's coming out. Remember we were in Mexico and was told that act two was R and B and act three was country.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

From. From some pretty reliable sources. So when I saw just on the timeline and everything, Act 2, March 29, I was like, oh, we're about to get that Beyonce R B album. And then the two pack came out. I was like, fuck, yeah, it's the. It's the country one. But I get it. I mean, Beyonce smoked R and B her whole career, so going from dance to country just to spice things up. Yeah, I understand it.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But as personally, I would have loved act two being this R and B version that we were supposed to get. But that's fine. Take your time. More on the R B stuff for Act 3.

[Mal]

I'm not mad at it. Only because I feel like, you know, Beyonce just doing country music now, I think out of, you know, obviously, she's a Texas girl.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And I think what it does for all of the girls that's from Texas, you know, most of them had to grow up around country music. You had to hear it, you had to see it.

[Rory]

I think that hurt. Travis Scott didn't make up the rodeo. It was a thing.

[Mal]

Exactly. So I think that this is. This is a dope way for Beyonce to kind of, like, didn't make up Astral World either.

[Julian]

No, I didn't mean that in, like, a jab.

[Rory]

It felt that way.

[Julian]

No. Well, I mean, it was literally an amusement park. Park.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

In Houston, which also died.

[Mal]

Exactly. Yeah. Shock.

[Julian]

That's just a cursed name they can't bring back. That's just a. It's done.

[Mal]

You just get rid of actual words.

[Julian]

Get rid of the word.

[Mal]

I think that Beyonce. I think she's gonna make it cool, though, for us to listen to. I do want to hear, you know, how she gives it to us, how she delivers this country music. I wanted. I want it to be more 16 carriage vibe.

[Rory]

Same. But 16 characters is so good. Really, really, really, really good records. Like, and I love. I know, of course, because I'm a nerd. I looked at all the credits. Having Raphael Sadiq a part of all this makes me, like, really excited.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

The way she did with Dream on the dance Renaissance shit. Having Raphael Sadiq doing the country shit, I feel like he'll pull it back a bit for people like me to enjoy this country. But then again, even you won't save my soul. Being the introduction to Renaissance as a dance album, I didn't particularly like until it was on the album. You won't break my soul again. We said on this podcast it was a little too predictable. Texas hold'ems the same way. But I was wrong, because Renaissance, to me, is incredible.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So once you. I'm not gonna.

[Mal]

I'm not gonna judge in the sequence of the album.

[Rory]

I'm not gonna judge.

[Mal]

It'll hit a little different. Yeah.

[Rory]

Because I judged Break my Soul and ended up loving it in Renaissance. So, you know, but that's. I mean, I don't know. I'm so happy to be in the time that we are. Not to be deep and corny, but at that great super bowl in halftime, Usher performance, we get a Beyonce 2 pack all in commercials. Like, what a cool time to just be here.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Kanye's commercial, which cost him 7 million, by the way. To. To produce. Well, it cost him zero production wise, because he shot on his phone.

[Rory]

Well, how much was the phone?

[Mal]

Right. It's true. 7 million, 6.5.

[Julian]

But it was a big win for him.

[Rory]

He was in an Uber. Like, that might have been, like, 30 bucks, depending where he was going.

[Julian]

Yeah, we can discuss that. But the. That commercial led to generating over290,000 orders, totaling 19.3 million sales in sales in less than 24 hours.

[Mal]

Well, everything on the site is now 20, right?

[Julian]

I don't. Was that.

[Mal]

Yeah, everything on. Everything on easy is 20 now. So my homeboy bought two pair of pods that were like, 200, like, last month. He's throwing up right now. He's like, if I would have known he was gonna release everything for 20, I would have just waited. I'm like, first of all, you buying those ninja slippers is crazy.

[Julian]

Oh, wow. Everything is still $20.

[Mal]

You thought I was just talking to you.

[Julian]

No, I thought it might have just been for 24 hours.

[Mal]

No, it's $20. That's what it is on the site. Everything is 20 now.

[Julian]

19 million.

[Mal]

Listen, we know Kanye is. Is. Is. Is a genius, obviously, you know, one of the greatest creators of our time, but he just has a different approach of doing things, and sometimes it lands, and sometimes it's kind of like. I don't know about that one, but this is. This is dope to just put everything on your site. $20. Anybody that couldn't afford it before, I'm sure they can afford it now. Why not? I'm not mad at it. I'm laughing at Everybody that spent 200 on those.

[Rory]

Those pods, though I don't particularly care about his commercial during the Super Bowl. I thought it was genius, too, to just do such a regular lo fi on my phone. It stood out immediately. If you're watching these highly produced things and then it looks like a phone. Yeah, there's genius in that. But I. I don't really care. I think it's great that he sold this much even after being canceled. I think it's a good representation of. Of that whole thing, and we've talked about it a million times. What do y'all think of vultures? That's where. Like, that's where I'm at with this Kanye super bowl does not. I don't care. What do we think about a Kanye west album in 2024 is where I'd like to talk. I don't care about his commercial. I don't care about his Sales. I don't care about his.

[Mal]

I thought the album was. I thought it was. I thought it was good. It's. It's a few good songs on it that I like a lot. I don't know how much I'll go back to, like, the entire album, but this. There's a couple songs in there that I like.

[Rory]

Interesting.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I kind of expected you, and I'm sorry that I've been thinking about you all weekend.

[Mal]

It's okay.

[Rory]

Of. Of certain topics.

[Mal]

Maybe that's why you think about me.

[Rory]

Yeah, I was thinking about you non stop. I expected you to come in here and think it was the greatest album of all time.

[Mal]

Why?

[Rory]

Just your mind. State of the current culture in the world. I think you and Kanye align on. On a lot of stuff, and I'm not saying bad things, but I think you guys align on stuff. I think you respect everything that he's done, and I think you would have had that mentality going into listening to Vultures and felt it as. This is a revolt album to everything I've been going through.

[Mal]

No, he's.

[Rory]

He's.

[Mal]

He. He touched on a lot of the, you know, obviously, the things that he's been going through and dealing with. But the music to me was. It was, like I said a couple songs in there I really like. Some are just like, okay, that was cool, but it's not something that I was blown away by. Like, it's good music, but it's not. I'm not. I'm not like, wow, this is some incredible Kanye, Todd Dolla, like, this is, like, amazing. Like, it was good. It's a few records on there I really like. I only lived with it for, like, two days so far, so I'm not really, like, all the way through with it, but off the first few listens, there's some. Definitely some good songs in there, but I don't think it's the greatest album of all time. Nothing like that. Is that how you feel about it? Like, where you at with the album? Cause I feel like I came in and y'all was playing it.

[Julian]

You know where I'm at.

[Mal]

So short.

[Rory]

Short form answer before I get to my long form answer is I like it.

[Julian]

It's really good.

[Rory]

I think it's a good album. I think there's a lot of. There's a few, like, wasteful records on it that I just have to skip through.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Production wise, though, I. I think it's. It's incredible as far as production goes.

[Mal]

Like, well, Kanye's gonna do that you know that.

[Rory]

And my problem with it, because I. I listen to the album and why I like it is because I'm not overthinking on it. I just like the music, but from a POD perspective and talking about it. I can't sit here and give Drake all the I gave him about giving immature content and the world hating Drake for being this age and giving immature content when Kanye did that throughout this entire project. Like, there's some moments, of course, that Kanye is talking. Some. But for the most part, and I'm about to get on record and say Kanye west might be the horniest rapper we've ever seen in our lives.

[Mal]

Uncle Luke might have something to say about that. But okay.

[Rory]

Uncle Luke almost did it in a tasteful way. I feel like for the last 15 years, anytime Kanye raps, he is off of Viagra. He's a horny guy, and I'm not judging his horniness. It's not like he's on some non consensual creepy shit. If you're horny, be horny. Like, I'm not mad at you for that.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But I can't come in here to say, yo, I gave Drake so much for just talking about some young when Vultures has a lot of young. And why I'm actually more mad at Kanye about that is because he went through so much in the last three or four years. And I think the rants, even if people hated them when they were in Vegas, all those live streams when Kanye was getting that off, I laughed at the Twix thing and getting fat. But throughout that whole thing, Kanye was really talking about some. Some substance and a lot of shit that is really wrong right now, shit he's going through. He wants to be this guy now that he's been to this level and he's with Elon and all that.

[Mal]

He.

[Rory]

He's in rooms that not even the biggest rapper could ever be in.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

I didn't want like a science breakdown of that whole thing. But she didn't bring up his rants have all the substance. And then the music now is horny. Like, you just. You just talk about young. And here's the thing. I like Vultures. Yeah, it's great. Kanye's probably the worst part of Vultures. How he arranged everything. Tie is.

[Julian]

Is great.

[Rory]

I mean, I think Talk is incredible. And that's another point that referenced this, that we go back to one day. I think Talk is an incredible record. I think it has an incredible substance about his daughter, everything. And there's moments With Burn. Like. But out of an. Our album, you get 30 seconds at most of some. Some type of substance. Because I used to love why I.

[Mal]

Used to love 30 seconds of substance on this album.

[Rory]

I think there's bars in certain lines if you add everything up. All right. Maybe I'm underselling it. Maybe a minute and 30.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

Of. Of subs. Like any type of substance.

[Mal]

Right. And.

[Rory]

And that. Maybe that's not the point. Maybe Vultures 2 that's about to come out. Or Vultures 3 has all of that. But I. Why I always thought Kanye was the goat was because we got a record like Can't Tell Me Nothing. Kanye was the first one to me that made club records that had substance. Like, he. That's why I think he's a goat. And these songs are fucking great. Like, I've had this on repeat nonstop. I'm never not going to listen to this album. I like it a lot. Just watching someone melt down for three years about nothing but substance and shit. That even if you disagree with him, we know it's coming from a place that he agrees with and he loves.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Did not address anything for the most part in the music. I mean, he was on.

[Mal]

He gave some. He gave some. Some shots here and there.

[Rory]

Yeah. But hearing that, like, even I didn't want to.

[Mal]

I didn't want to hear that on the album, honestly.

[Rory]

And I hate to do the Kanye Drake thing, but I have to be consistent with my shit because I look like a hypocrite for all the dogs. I was saying, yo, I think it's not. It's not Drake's best work. And there's a lot of young content on the. But there was moments where, like, Drake barred up and really gave me the type of Drake that I want. It wasn't enough for me, for all the dogs.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

But at least he tried. I don't even think Kanye tried to address anything on this. When I'm watching his three hour lives and going, even if I disagree with him, he's talking some.

[Julian]

He's got a few Jews on the staff now. Rory.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

R. Kelly is in the next Balenciaga ad. I'm not racing. That's a preference.

[Mal]

He has some bars on there. Yeah, he has some. That's what I'm saying. He had bars on there where he was addressing.

[Rory]

Should we compare it to Kanye west as far as when it comes to. No, but bars and everything.

[Mal]

But my thing is racist.

[Rory]

Is a preference. Is the. Is the one bar we're gonna break down. No Kanye west album.

[Mal]

No, but. But at the same time, I didn't. I didn't want to hear too much of what he's been ranting about in the music, though. I'm glad it wasn't too much. It wasn't oversaturated with that type of shit.

[Rory]

And if it was any other artist, I actually would agree with you. But I've watched Kanye for his whole career make club songs, songs you ride in the car, to kickback songs that always. Him talking his shit and addressing everything and adding substance to party records, to chill records, to car records. He's. He's one of the only artists on earth that's capable of doing that. So I expected from him. And maybe that's just a pretentious fan moment, but you were going crazy in Vegas on those lives, right? None of it translated over here.

[Julian]

Yeah, I'm. I don't know.

[Mal]

Maybe I just didn't want to hear that in the music, though. Yeah.

[Julian]

I'm kind of on mall side with it because, like, the thing that surprised me most about this album, I think, is why I enjoy it a bit, is it's. It's so cohesive. I was worried because of how chaotic he's been.

[Mal]

No, it's not.

[Rory]

Regardless.

[Mal]

But I don't think. I don't see. Even though he has been. I don't ever think that's gonna affect Kanye's music, though.

[Julian]

It has, because he had that weird little Jesus pivot, and it just affected.

[Rory]

Oh, but I mean, Jesus King is actually great.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

The music is not bad when he's awful.

[Rory]

Yeah, he is awful.

[Julian]

Awful. But, like, I'm like, in my mind, it's actually pretty good knowing what we knew, like, industry wise and even optically, like, the doing the camp in Dubai, locking in with all these people, the freak that. That was going on. Like, I was worried that all of that chaos would be reflected in the music, and it wasn't.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

So for that, I'm not mad at the album. I get what Roy saying, substance wise, lyrically, it's not the Kanye we knew grow in love, but that's where he's at currently. So for this, fine, this is not a bad. This is a good product for the current Kanye.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's. It's. It's. That's. That's a perfect. It's a. It's the good product for the. For the current Kanye. Yeah. Because like I said, I was Heard some joints, and I'm like, okay. Like, you know, all right. The music finally made it out we didn't know Vultures was going to happen. At one point, we was like, we never getting this album. Finally got the product. Few songs on there. I like few. I'm kind of like, I'm cool. I probably would never listen to that again, but again, this is all in a matter of just 2, 3 days of listening to the project. So I don't. You know what I mean? I don't want to go too crazy on it, but it's not anything that I think is incredible when you talk about in terms of his catalog. But I think that for the current Kanye, this is good product so far.

[Rory]

Sonically, this is exactly what I would like to hear from Kanye west at this point in his life. And again, even I'm cool with horny Kanye. I'm cool with balancing out. I just wanted. Just give me something like, you want.

[Mal]

Him to get on his. His rant? Shit, yeah.

[Rory]

On the outro, like, what was on.

[Mal]

On Pablo, Rory wanted an outro of him telling us to go vote for yo. Go vote for Trump.

[Julian]

I mean, that's what he would have said.

[Mal]

Yeah, but you want that on the album. I don't want to hear that shit.

[Rory]

I mean, even getting into bars when he was on the Trump of, like, what's the Andre 3000 record from Donda like, even getting into that type of shit of, like, saying, I don't even like my voice, but I didn't try to take your choice away. Like, him breaking down a lot of that stuff. Even if I disagreed with Kanye at that time, I liked how he addressed that type of stuff in the music, like saying, everyone's really mad at me. I understand that. I didn't try to take y'all choice away. I just gave my voice to saying, I like Trump. I didn't. I didn't tell y'all, you can't like him. I. I think that's Is missing in this project, and maybe that's not the purpose. And again, Vultures, too, could have all of that.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Oh, 30 hours, too. The rant. He goes in at the end of that record, too.

[Rory]

I mean, 30 hours is crazy. No, I was talking about Saint Pablo is what I was talking about that. That record is. Because even you could say Pablo had some chaotic moments and didn't have, like, the best substance stuff when he was still going crazy. He took some time out that album, though, to give us a lot of his point of view of where he was at at the time. And I. That's. I'm never not going to be that Fan, they would get mad at my. My reviews of stuff. I'm never not going to be the fan that doesn't want to know about a person when they're putting album up. I always want to know for real where you're at in your life. I think that's important. That's how I get connected to music.

[Julian]

So do you guys think. Because we're looking at in the same echoing of Beyonce, Renaissance 1 being the dance, Renaissance 2 being country, and what we can assume 3 is the R B. Do we think Connie will take stylistically approaches with this one, or do you think it'll just be more of the Same on vultures 2 and 3?

[Mal]

I think it'll be more the same. I think they're just going to travel, live life a little bit and just make music wherever they at, lock in the studio, record a couple records. But I don't think the content is going to change much.

[Rory]

Yeah. I want to give Kanye the credit that I think this one, maybe he was testing the waters and he might get his shit off on Vultures too. Because how do we, like, when do we know Kanye west not trying to get his off?

[Julian]

I mean, like a yeez sounding album? Like I'm.

[Rory]

Oh, you're saying.

[Julian]

You're saying more on the. On the style of music. Like, would he go into. Yeah, like a Jesus. More that Ed.

[Rory]

I don't think he's really experimented for quite some time. Like Donda, I think is an incredible album. It made me feel so much better coming off the yay and everything. Like Kanye west is still Kanye West. I think it's a great album. Not crazy experimental in there.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Which is fine. I think it's a great album and not. Not every single time you have to experiment. I just think that's out of Kanye's bag at this point. Just his brain. He could do it. I just don't know if he's in the mind state to go experiment and does it matter?

[Julian]

It doesn't. I'm just curious because.

[Mal]

Yeah, think about it now, bro. We get. We get so much music now. Like, I don't even think that Kanye could give us the most amazing album and say all the shit we want to hear. And in three weeks, four weeks, we're not going to be talking about this shit.

[Rory]

Yeah. I just don't know if Kanye is rightfully so in the brain that I need to change the landscape of music every time I come out because I'm focused on changing the landscape of the world. And you could disagree with that. But that's what I think Kanye views. We've seen that he's. He was trying to build a city. Like, I just don't think he's going to dedicate his time to changing the landscape of music. And at this age, I don't know if that's his responsibility. And I'm not shitting on the younger generation. I'm actually saying quite the opposite. I don't think the younger generation is going to look to Kanye to change the landscape and follow suit.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

It's not 808s and heartbreaks, Tom. Like, these kids are obviously influenced by that, but they're not looking to 45 year old Kanye west to change the music landscape for us to follow the beat of his drum anymore.

[Mal]

Right?

[Rory]

So, yeah, like I. That's why I think Vulture, sonically, is great. I didn't need Kanye to go extra left to some vibes I've never heard in my entire life. I just don't think it's that world anymore.

[Mal]

Yeah, man. I don't know, man. I think it's just again, the way we. And how much music we receive now. I just don't know if it even matters anymore.

[Rory]

Pardon my.

[Mal]

Good music always matters. Putting out good music always matters. But I just think that we just move on so quick now from beautiful moments and beautiful pieces of music to where it's like, as an artist, I can see how people will be like, yo, I'm not. For what? Like, nobody's gonna care about this album in a month or two months. Like, nobody's gonna be talking about this shit. Nobody's gonna be playing these songs. There's gonna be a shitload of music that's come out after my release. Like, so I just think the times of us getting those moments of those albums where it's like, yo, this is something that we can't move away from. I think that's slowly dying because we just receive so much new music every week.

[Rory]

That's why moments mean so much more. I know, I know. Calling the super bowl halftime a moment is a little disrespectful, but that's going to live longer than Usher's album that came out the same weekend.

[Mal]

Oh, absolutely.

[Rory]

Like that.

[Mal]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

So what you're saying is completely right. Like, moments are what are valuable at this point. But that's like if the, the Usher album listen and we don't have to get totally into the if number one.

[Mal]

Album next week, is that a flop?

[Julian]

If who?

[Mal]

If Usher doesn't have the number one album next Week.

[Rory]

I don't know what it's like. No, I don't think that's. Oh well.

[Julian]

Kanye.

[Mal]

Exactly.

[Rory]

I don't think Kanye is going to have a number one record.

[Julian]

Currently is a number one.

[Rory]

Oh is it okay. I'll take it back on Hip hop or Vulture.

[Julian]

Oh I mean just saying. Yeah. I guess it's two different charts.

[Rory]

Yeah. I'm talking about built like across like SOS is probably still up there with Taylor Swift.

[Mal]

Usher doesn't bro. He just did the Super Bowl.

[Rory]

Why is that but he did a Super bowl again. Back to our point of a legacy act doing it.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That was based off that.

[Mal]

That didn't mean people are gonna the same weekend.

[Rory]

The the value in the super bowl is that everyone's gonna go stream the playlist that was of the super bowl for sure. I don't think the people that were not ushered. But this is that's now gonna go stream everything to spike his streams out the yeah but this is still are gonna go listen to what he performed. Like they're not gonna go.

[Mal]

Those are the new album. You talking about the casual fans.

[Rory]

Yeah but that's who casual fans are the only people that spike streams 100. They're the only people that actually. And it sucks. The only people that really matter as far as moving the needles. Yeah. Not well not even that.

[Julian]

But well, you need to like capture their attention before they go on to the next person.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Like it's like oh, there's this is the hot one because it's on my timeline. And then I'll go to this one.

[Mal]

Because this is still like this is.

[Rory]

Still a To be quite honest, I think you could get you got it bad or caught up being number one next week before you'd ever get the new Usher album.

[Julian]

My boo cracked.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

It's back in the yeah, I'm sure my boo is.

[Rory]

I'm sure someone's going to chipmunk it for TikTok. Everything from there is going to end up being number one.

[Julian]

The my boo challenge is you go up behind some dudes woman, kiss her neck and put your hand on her.

[Mal]

Stomach and then get killed and get stabbed.

[Rory]

Go do that challenge.

[Mal]

Yeah. Entertain me please. That's a challenge. I'll click on that hashtag.

[Julian]

Well to malls to counter mall's earlier point about the moment music Sizza today marks a full year of sos being in the top 10 billboard 200. So those moments exist. It's rare and it's obviously it's harder.

[Rory]

Is at the peak of Her. If Usher was Sizza's age in this era and confessions came out, it would do the same.

[Julian]

But Kanye's capable, which is why.

[Mal]

Which is why she should have won album with a year.

[Rory]

Agree.

[Julian]

Fair. I'm with you on that. But I'm saying Kanye's capable of doing that level of music.

[Mal]

Oh, for sure.

[Rory]

So of course Kanye west is capable.

[Julian]

So I'm saying, like, I don't think the whole. I don't think.

[Rory]

I don't think anything on this album is going to spike where Kanye was years ago. Like streaming. Why is it. I'm sure it'll do great, but it's not going to do what. It's not going to be SOS even now. No, it's just different times. Like. Yeah. What do you really expect of anybody putting music out if they're not Drake, Taylor, Sza, everyone, including all the legends.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I think Usher's album is gonna do just okay based off the number. The number of people that look at numbers as a success or not. It'll be average as. But I think that would have happened no matter what. That's not the quality of music. It's just the time we're in. Yeah, he could have put out the greatest ever. But that's just where Usher is at the moment as far as new music goes. Everyone to go buy tickets to his residency, he. The Super Bowl. But those points are so separate from trying to put out new music in this era.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That it. It's just.

[Mal]

We want. We want the. We want the hitch that we grew up with that we love.

[Rory]

That's. I mean, that's how streaming works.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

It's either the new young kids and the young audience pushing that shit or legacy doing their legacy shit.

[Mal]

That's.

[Rory]

I mean, that's just how it goes. Julian, I'm a little scared to bring up this last topic, but since we're still talking about Super Bowl. I was. I was there.

[Mal]

He is your president, your man.

[Rory]

I know. I'm gonna agree with them all, but I didn't want to stir. I didn't want to stir things up. I didn't want to rile. Maul up about this whole.

[Mal]

Listen, man.

[Rory]

See, but this is the weirdest thing I've ever seen.

[Mal]

The beautiful thing about when I say and I look crazy, I sound crazy. Is. It all comes back. It all comes back. And here you go, full circle. Oh, man. Gotta love it. Here goes 4, 6. Go ahead, talk about them.

[Rory]

Not 3, 6, 60. Because you full circle. Like, I guess what they. I Heard they called you down the hood.

[Mal]

They never called me that.

[Rory]

Nobody was the Waves.

[Mal]

And like your point of view, nobody ever called. No.

[Rory]

Everyone tells me in the Bronx, that was your nickname.

[Mal]

Not at all.

[Rory]

For those that don't know, after the Chiefs won the Super Bowl, Joe Biden, which we know he did not tweet, but his team tweeted from his verified POTUS account a photo of him with some red demonic eyes saying, this is the way we drew it up.

[Mal]

Just like we drew it up.

[Rory]

And that's based off everyone saying that they were behind the super bowl and that was all scripted. And then Taylor Swift was going to get on to the field and then endorse Joe Biden after the win. And that's why the Chiefs are even in the Super Bowl. So I wasn't Taylor Swift.

[Mal]

And somebody else said, if Trump wins, they're moving. They're not living in America. It was tailing somebody like, what, eight years ago?

[Julian]

Yeah, I was gonna say one. When.

[Mal]

No, I think this was recent.

[Julian]

Oh, like if he wins this upcoming election.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, I didn't see that at all. I'm not sure.

[Julian]

I'm not moving.

[Mal]

We know that. We know Taylor's not moving anywhere.

[Rory]

How do y'all feel? Like I'm fine with these social media teams of presidents or figures like this to try to make them relatable. And I understand. I understand people are trying to do their job and lean into jokes, and we're. We're in a whole different time now, and you have to be relatable. But why are we turning in the POTUS account to make a meme. A funny meme account is now that the President of the United States.

[Julian]

It's a trash meme, bro.

[Rory]

And granted, don't get too excited because this is Trump's fault at the end of the day, because Trump was always. Trump was the one that turn the presidency into some mockery shit as far as social media went. And I think there is some importance in the stuff that he did say where you have to be as professional. But now you're literally like, this is some fuck Jerry meme account shit that they turned the President of the United States Twitter into. This is crazy. Like, have you went grocery shopping lately? I don't want to see a joke from your account on the Super Bowl.

[Mal]

Is Joe Biden the least most relatable president in your lifetime?

[Julian]

Yeah, I don't really relate to dead people Mall.

[Mal]

So, no, I mean, like, he sucks. Every other president in your lifetime, you kind of. They did something that you kind of was like, bill Clinton loved basketball. Loved jazz music.

[Rory]

Loved head.

[Mal]

Loved head. Who doesn't? You know what I mean?

[Rory]

Shout out.

[Julian]

Arbor Day.

[Mal]

Yeah. Shout out to.

[Rory]

Matter of fact, I don't know, Bill Clinton might have been the most relatable president.

[Mal]

President, now that we really think about it. I mean, he's still a big piece of shit, but, you know, it is what it is. Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't relate.

[Julian]

That's what makes a good president. No president is a good person. Every president. Mall.

[Rory]

You're going to contradict yourself because you don't think Trump's a piece of shit. Whoa.

[Julian]

Go ahead, talk about it. Is Trump a good person?

[Mal]

He's a douchebag.

[Julian]

He's a piece of shit.

[Rory]

He's from Queens.

[Mal]

He's from Queens. He's from New York City. He's a rich New York douchebag. Who. Who.

[Rory]

Of course he's a douchebag.

[Mal]

Who doesn't know that, like, he's from Jamaica states.

[Rory]

I've never met. I've never met someone from Jamaica states that wasn't a douchebag.

[Mal]

Exactly. Yeah, man.

[Rory]

But how did y'all feel? Like to me, everything that they try to kill Trump over, and this is where I think the Democrats just fucking lose in every stance that they take. They killed Trump for making a mockery of the presidency, which I agreed with in a lot of ways.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So what is this? You saw it worked for Trump and now you're making a mockery after you're accused.

[Mal]

They trying to get on a Trump shit. They trying to do what they trying to do. They trying to run Trump's playbook. The stupid thing with this, nobody likes.

[Julian]

Biden as someone that, like, did and currently does still in some capacity social media. On behalf of other people. You still have to take in mind and consider the person in which you're speaking on behalf of.

[Mal]

Right.

[Julian]

So this tweet makes it look like.

[Rory]

Did you take that into consideration when you retweeted me being happy that Kappas were part of Usher's performance and then putting a video of me stepping.

[Julian]

Yeah. No, no, no. Come on.

[Rory]

Contradict yourself like the Democrats.

[Julian]

Contradictory.

[Rory]

Oh, let me take into consideration. Yeah. You throw video up.

[Mal]

No, but Julian, that's his thing. He tries to get up. It's performing very well. Nobody gives a.

[Julian]

No.

[Rory]

You didn't think about me once you posted that.

[Mal]

No.

[Julian]

Well, you took a shot at malt that. Because they don't know what we're talking. You took a shot at mall in the group Chat?

[Rory]

Yeah, the group chat. You didn't post it in the group chat. You put it on our. Our Twitter account.

[Julian]

You guys, did you guys put the group chat on me with the whole Drake thing? I never had to say. I never said publicly.

[Mal]

Yeah, way to get even.

[Julian]

That was my get back.

[Mal]

Okay, got you. All right.

[Julian]

And I used a video of Rory for my get back. It's not like I made some. I didn't put devil eyes on Rory.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

I would have.

[Julian]

Like, 3% of them's in the tunnel. I didn't do that.

[Mal]

Right.

[Julian]

I didn't do any of this. Put out a video of him.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I also, by the way, I know people clown it, and that's why I was actually really not mad that Julian posted that. I don't think that video is as bad as people think.

[Julian]

It's amazing. It's a great video.

[Mal]

It's not a bad video.

[Rory]

Yeah, we fudgeing. Did that choreography ourselves. Like, I mean, of course, it's not incredible, but it wasn't so much at the Super Bowl.

[Mal]

But it's okay. It.

[Rory]

It wasn't like Usher at sobs. No, I'm not comparing it to anything. I'm saying that was shot on a phone in 2010. That wasn't meant for y'all to see.

[Mal]

Right? Right. Yeah, Some. Some things are just not meant for the.

[Rory]

Like, people kill me if I put that out. As if we, like, really didn't rehearse that for two days. Made up that choreography real quick.

[Mal]

That's different.

[Rory]

That was on a stage at a commuter school, shot on a phone camera. That wasn't supposed to be good.

[Julian]

Yeah, that was a great video. But my point is, with. With Biden and the people that are running these accounts is you can't jump in on a narrative because that's all they do is all these teams just scour analytics and see what the narrative is and try to find their end.

[Rory]

Oh, no, we know that, but they're.

[Julian]

Not enhancing the narrative. They're just regurgitating and repeating bullshit. And then Biden, what, He's going to go out there tomorrow and give a speech where he forgets half of it. And for 15 seconds, it's just like, oh, it's like you gotta match the person in which you're speaking on behalf of, because this tweet makes it look like he's in on the culture and he gets the joke. And then he's gonna go out to, like, a Roomba and not say shit for 20 seconds.

[Rory]

That's. See, that's My problem.

[Mal]

Unless you give him some ice cream.

[Julian]

With making and a girl's hair to sniff. Yeah, that's his. You know. You know how athletes do smelling salt. That's Biden. Give him the 12 year old girl's hair and he'll fucking wake up. What is this shit, bro? I fight. Look, you guys really think I'm like, Democrat, but I hate Biden. He's awful. He's fucking awful. Trump sucks too. I'm not saying vote for him either. They both suck.

[Rory]

Yeah, and I'm fine with social media managers and all that shit doing what they need to do in the Times, but look at where we are as a country. That. That happened from the President of the United States. Twitter. That has not addressed why every time I go to fucking Whole foods, I'm spending $400 and I'm paying for the bags as well. Two bags of groceries.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, come on.

[Mal]

Yeah, man.

[Rory]

I don't care about your sarcastic joke about the NFL, even though I thought it was funny and understand what you were doing. That's not that. Like, we're about to go into an election year and you want to make jokes?

[Julian]

You're gonna make me get political.

[Mal]

Good.

[Rory]

No, I was pissed. I deleted a tweet last night. I. I wrote a whole thing out. I quote, tweeted Joe Biden, and I was that pissed off.

[Julian]

All right, this is.

[Rory]

I like 2am on some like, yo, what the fuck? Or what is the world at at this point?

[Mal]

Shall President.

[Julian]

You want to. Okay, fudge. Biden.

[Mal]

You voted for him. Julie, don't do that. Don't do that.

[Julian]

Fuck. Okay, fuck Biden. Fuck the. This. What? We're currently the thing that, you know, maybe most agitated during the Super Bowl.

[Rory]

Sorry. Well, if you're. Why did I know you're from the Bay?

[Julian]

Yeah, in Pardon. Pardon. The pardon. The demo of the neighborhood that we live in. But why did we let the Israelis get a commercial in the middle of the super bowl using a speechwriter for mlk? That's what pissed me off. They hijacked a civil rights speechwriter.

[Mal]

I didn't see that commercial. Whoa.

[Julian]

It mall. This is what happened. It was a black man and it worked with a pen like, I used to write speeches for Martin Luther King. I'm, you know, we're, you know, great people, which they were then.

[Rory]

Are yo being MLK's. Quentin Miller is crazy.

[Julian]

Yeah, it's pretty fun.

[Rory]

And I don't even like. I don't even like that he's doing this since MLK is dead. I need to hear his side.

[Julian]

Not only that, what if MLK wrote.

[Rory]

All his rhymes and now this guy's lying?

[Julian]

They use this man to then prop up Israel somehow it became a campaign, so they were using the slave like the civil rights movement activists to prop up a current genocide where they're on the. Obviously Israel's on the offensive. And during the Super Bowl, Israel put an airstrike out over on Gaza and killed aund 100 civilians in the middle of the game. On some. Yeah, now we're the good guys. Vote for us. We got your. The guy with the black guy with the nice penmanship. And here's some missiles. Just wait. This.

[Mal]

During the Super Bowl.

[Julian]

This is during the Super Bowl. They called the airstrike. 100 people in a safe zone clean.

[Mal]

Sick.

[Rory]

No, it was touchdown. They told them not to be there.

[Julian]

As they would say. Touchdown.

[Mal]

Yeah, it was Hamas.

[Julian]

It was a rogue Hamas missile.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah.

[Julian]

It was an Aaron throw by Eli Manning.

[Mal]

It was the interception.

[Julian]

Yeah, I was in it. Yeah, it was a pick. 600, 6000. What are they up to now? How many people they killed? How many babies?

[Mal]

That's sick.

[Rory]

I just feel like Israel's probably a fan of the Jets.

[Mal]

That's sick. I don't know if we should cut that out of that.

[Julian]

They play their game in the iron.

[Rory]

That's sick.

[Mal]

That's sick.

[Rory]

Wait, why is it sick?

[Mal]

Come on, man.

[Rory]

I've been so. Listen, you. Y'all know, and our listeners know how I feel about Israel and what side I stand on.

[Mal]

No, for sure.

[Rory]

So I. Yeah, I'm making a joke, but everyone knows where I stand on that commercial.

[Julian]

Pissed me. The.

[Mal]

I didn't see that commercial.

[Julian]

It's. I'll show it to you. It's so. It's beyond.

[Rory]

I mean, did that shock you? Because anything on Twitter, X, whatever, Instagram, I get non Stop Israel ads. This is an ad.

[Julian]

No, I know. Look, we're funding it.

[Rory]

Their. Their social media team is better than any social media team that's ever existed. And I'm not going to go into this because I know. See, this why. This is why I was quiet during this whole thing, because you're going to get me started. That community has had the best PR social media team their entire existence.

[Julian]

Yeah, of course.

[Rory]

We thought they wouldn't get a Super bowl ad, right?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm not taking away any bad things that have happened to that community. Not saying that bad things have not happened and you guys have not been victims before. I'm with you. I get It.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

October.

[Rory]

But they are the great. They are the. They have the greatest PR team on earth. Of course, I'm surprised they didn't cut Usher's performance in between Burn and you got it bad to throw an ad in.

[Mal]

That's a sick segue just to choose to start an airstrike.

[Rory]

No, no, no, no, no. I was about. I. I'm a great writer. I don't know what you want for me.

[Mal]

That's it.

[Rory]

Yo. Speak.

[Julian]

All right. I. I don't want to. I don't want to go down this. This thing. But there was one more commercial that agitated me. Volkswagen. You guys remember that one?

[Rory]

I watched the. The vw.

[Julian]

You see how the. The Germans try to rewrite history with their ad campaign?

[Mal]

No.

[Julian]

You know, Volkswagen started by Nazi Germany in 1937, I believe.

[Rory]

So did Mercedes.

[Mal]

So did. Yeah, yeah.

[Julian]

So did All. A lot of great products. Hugo Boss, great coats. So they. They did a commercial which was pretty much them resurrecting the Beetle. But it's an E Beetle. It's a. Whatever runs on electric.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Julian]

So they were like, okay, well, here's the inception of the company. They started the history in 1949. They missed the glory years. Yeah, it started in 49 and then immediately fast forwarded to the hippie movement.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Like, this is where we really popped off. So it's not. And then the last shot is them, like, unveiling a cargo ship, and the E. Beetle, like, kind of pulls out slowly. It's like, well, if you were going to do the history of the company, start at the beginning of the company.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Not 15 years in.

[Mal]

People love to. You know, we love rewriting history. I love to hit that edit button on certain errors.

[Rory]

And we shouldn't even need to rewrite histories. We should just have common sense and logic. Why all these brands are the powerhouses. They are is because they were proven to win wars.

[Mal]

Right.

[Rory]

And of course, I know that. I know the Germans lost, but, you know, they made. They definitely did some damage. We. We look at these brands like they have this terrible history. Like, why do you think these brands have lasted so long?

[Mal]

They.

[Rory]

They're proven to be effective since the 1800s. Like.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That's why they are legacy brands. Nobody. Nobody in that time was wondering the easiest way to get to whole Foods. The only way to prove a brand was in war. That's the only way. Highways were created because of war. We were in local streets until they needed to put militaries on bigger streets. Highways are because of what? Everything we have is because it was proven to work in war. So why are we judging Hugo Boss vw? This is how we got here.

[Mal]

All I'm saying is Kanye bumped. Bumped into the CEO of Adidas today and took a picture with him.

[Julian]

That was a nice photo.

[Mal]

It's a very nice photo. Well, we're going to revisit some things I said a few months ago about Kanye and Adidas.

[Julian]

Vultures 2 will have Adidas merch.

[Mal]

Nah. Just saying.

[Rory]

I just don't think ye would do it.

[Mal]

I. I don't. I don't want him to do it.

[Rory]

I don't think he would do it.

[Mal]

But, you know, he said they had a great conversation.

[Rory]

Yeah, but that CEO wasn't even there during that whole thing, right?

[Mal]

No, I guess it's a new CEO.

[Julian]

No, it's a new guy.

[Rory]

Yeah. So does that count?

[Mal]

Yeah, it still counts. It's the company.

[Rory]

Oh, no, no, no. I'm no for Yay. Like, I. I would have done the same thing. Yeah, that just proved your point. But, I mean, does it at. That CEO really has. No, he's not. I don't think he's going to do business with Kanye. There's just no attachment to it at all. I think he's trying to clean up a lot of that as well. And it's fine with just being like, yeah, take a. I'll take a photo with you never going to work.

[Mal]

But. Oh, no. Yeah. I mean, take the photo.

[Rory]

But if it was the CEO that fired him, now we have a whole different conversation.

[Mal]

Yeah, but still, taking that photo, they know what that photo was going to do, what it could represent, what it just the conversations that it could start.

[Rory]

Another company started by Nazis.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah. So, yeah, we just got to keep a. Let's keep an eye on that. On that Kanye everything. 20 on the site now. It kind of sound like they clear house. Clearing the warehouse out to kind of make room.

[Rory]

One of my favorite Chappelle the student has passed the teacher.

[Mal]

That's sick.

[Rory]

Oh, Chappelle's a genius. Do we have voicemails? You've got mail.

[Julian]

Yeah, we got a. This is actually a fun one today. It's from a teacher, ironically. Yeah, I guess the students.

[Rory]

Hey, what's up? It's Maddie from Denver, and I'm a high school teacher, and I'm kind of like the Discord youth correspondent. So whenever y'all ask about. Oh, but what do the kids think? I ask my students. There's actually no closure on Ice Spice versus anybody. Some of them said quavo Some of them said Chris Brown. But whatever the question is really about what kind of high school kid were you and who do you think was the biggest menace amongst everyone on the crew? Discord thinks it's Julian. So looking forward to hear the answer. Hope you all are well. Bye.

[Mal]

Maddie from Denver, thank you for that voicemail.

[Rory]

Reference to that question.

[Julian]

Well, she was saying she uses her students as youth correspondent. So she's like, is Ice Spice great? And who's better, Quavo or Chris? Which they were split on?

[Mal]

Those kids don't know.

[Julian]

Well, they're the youth.

[Rory]

I mean. Yeah, that's the kids. We were talking.

[Julian]

They're next up, actually.

[Rory]

But I, I would brag.

[Mal]

She's from Colorado.

[Rory]

I thought it would have been a. I don't think it would be split 50. 50. But you know, I think it's better for you that she said it was split, honestly. And anyways, we'll get to that Ice Spice lotto on the next episode. But to answer our question, I was not the menace in my crew in high school. I was not the menace at all.

[Mal]

I wasn't the menace. I was. I was. I had my moments of doing some menace shit, but I wasn't like the kid that they was like, we have to get him out of this school. Like, that's what I think when I hear menace. It's like the one that is disrupting the entire school and representing the school in a bad way. Now. I did shit that I wasn't supposed to be doing and things like that, but I didn't. I was scared of my mom, so I didn't fuck around too much.

[Rory]

Yeah. High school. I was. I became more of a menace after because of the friends I was hanging out with. I think that's probably a direct response to why I was kicked out of college for knocking out an ra. That wasn't my style. When you go into an environment that's not as menacing and then someone does something that you would feel like they'd get knocked out. Four. That's. Yeah, I wasn't a menace. I was taught by menaces.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And once I got to a non menacing environment, I became. I was the menace when I thought I was the. The calmest human being on earth.

[Mal]

Right. Yeah. I wasn't. I wasn't a menace.

[Julian]

I get what she thinks, that it's me. And I can see that in some regard I was the talks too much in class. Shocking. And I was always disruptive because I always wanted to just make a joke over everything. But that being said, I was a very good student. Teachers loved me and I had good relationships with them. So it was like. It was like, he's annoying, but we can't. You know what I mean?

[Rory]

Okay, you know what? Maybe I'm taking her word menace in a different way. I was definitely a disruptive, quote unquote, bad kid, per se. But when I think menace, I think, yeah, I was never disrespect like, we're met like menaces.

[Julian]

High school or college?

[Rory]

No, college. I got kicked out. I'm saying high school. I was around menacing people and I was the calm one based off that menacing environment. When I got to college, which was not menacing, I looked like a menace because we were not in. All my friends would have got kicked out of college way before I did. I just was put in a situation that if somebody didn't said what they did as an ra, anybody around me would have knocked them out. I would have been the last one to knock them out if it was my high school friends.

[Mal]

Got you.

[Rory]

But yeah, I still knocked him out.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah, I feel that.

[Rory]

Like they would have knocked him out way quicker than I would have. But yeah, it was in an. And I looked like a menace because no one at my college was like, menacing in that regard.

[Julian]

I remember one time I got in school suspension. The only one time. When I say one time in the only time, and it was my senior year, I was already committed to my college. I was coasting, and it was because I was late. I was always on time throughout my whole high school career. And at the senior, I was like, I don't care anymore. I'm showing up late. And I got like three lates in a row. Whatever they said, they were like, well, you gotta miss classes and come to school on time and sit in an in school suspension room for the. For the duration of the school day. And I looked.

[Rory]

I loved in school.

[Julian]

I looked at the principal, who I was friends with, and I was like, why would I, why would I come? I was like, what's the incentive for me to come to school on time to then to not attend my classes and miss the. The educational experience? To sit in a room and what, fill out a packet and sit quiet for six hours? And he was like. I was like, why would I do that? Why wouldn't I not show up for this one? And he was like, I mean, yeah, you got it. You're right. He's like, just show up and go to class. I was like, okay, I'll do that. Like, if I'M going to be on time. Let me go to class. Don't make me sit in this room. And he was like, yeah, we'll get rid of it. Don't worry about it. That was it.

[Rory]

I liked in school suspensions because the few times I got suspended where I had to stay home, my mom, I.

[Julian]

Never had was a.

[Rory]

Was the menace of having to now figure out she has to stay from work. Like, she was. She was the menace in school suspensions. I love. Yeah, what you're saying they just sat you in a room for six hours. You just sat there and I thought this was fine.

[Mal]

I'd rather be home.

[Julian]

Yes, I'm saying I would have rather be there.

[Rory]

My mom was really upset when the two times that it happened, out of school suspension suspensions. I think I had like three or four in school suspensions, but that was in high school. That was like middle school and junior high. I liked sitting in that room like.

[Julian]

What were your effects?

[Rory]

And my mom didn't know that I had in school suspensions.

[Julian]

Oh, they didn't.

[Mal]

What.

[Julian]

What did you do? What was your. Like, did you have a repeat thing?

[Rory]

Or what was your again? I. I was. Which I've talked about a lot. I was angry kid. So, yeah, I always had an aggression problem.

[Mal]

You could see that, right?

[Rory]

I had a lot of Brittany in me, brother.

[Julian]

Knives to school.

[Rory]

Listen, man, it's tough when you don't know how to read and people make fun of you.

[Mal]

Yeah, that'll do it. Stand up and read. I can't now fight somebody.

[Rory]

Yeah, I had a lot of aggression problems when I was young. Not to say I don't now, but.

[Mal]

Yeah, I wasn't a bad kid, man. Like looking back, like looking at some of these kids now in high school, I was. I wasn't a bad kid.

[Julian]

I didn't do.

[Mal]

I did, like you said, talk too much and, you know, joke around and like that. But I wasn't. I wasn't bad. Like, I wasn't. I wasn't doing. That was like, you could point out, like, yo, he's going to the penitentiary.

[Rory]

I got suspended from not even preschool. Like with whatever that, like. Well, no, I guess it was like preschool.

[Julian]

You guess it's better when you're five.

[Rory]

Yeah, I guess. No, it was before kindergarten.

[Mal]

Kindergarten. I just caught that. You're five, you got suspension. Spend it in preschool.

[Rory]

It's not even school yet.

[Julian]

Would you not go to sleep during nap time?

[Mal]

Did you steal the.

[Julian]

Your cot?

[Rory]

I will explain exactly what it was.

[Mal]

Your cat did you on Your cot during nap time.

[Julian]

You drank someone else's juice.

[Mal]

What you do. How did you get suspended from preschool?

[Rory]

I don't know if it was exactly preschool. It was before kindergarten for sure. But I think it was either. It was like. But it was like daycare. It was like daycare, but also, I guess it wasn't school because it was in somebody's like.

[Julian]

Well, that's kind of where they are.

[Rory]

Apartment building that. But the whole, like, first floor was a daycare type thing.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So I don't remember why I, like, shoved this kid and bit him. Like, I bit him. I shoved in. Bitch. Another kid. But, like, not in, like, a. Okay. That's just a. A kid like this may end up being a serial killer.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Type way. And my mom picked me up, and I'll never forget. I'm gonna have her send me a voice note to tell the story to play it on the pod. She drove me. She was so mad at me. I have, like, very limited memories of my childhood, like, at that age. But this one I've vividly remember drove me to my dad's work because my parents were together at this time. Drove me to my dad's work. We didn't go in. Just drove past it to tell me that I was about to get my ass whooped when I got home.

[Mal]

Yeah, gangster. Wait till I get off.

[Julian]

Where'd you bite him?

[Rory]

Stomach.

[Julian]

Yo.

[Rory]

It was a. It was a no.

[Mal]

How you go from here?

[Rory]

No, wait, wait, wait. Why are you asking? You don't. No, I'm not. Wait, why are you asking if I'm.

[Mal]

Okay with somebody on the stove?

[Julian]

Give us the play by play.

[Rory]

I pushed and, like, ended up on top of him. I don't know why. He must have did something because, like, I wasn't. I'm gonna go after somebody. I wasn't a bully. I was. That's what I'm saying. I wasn't a bad kid. I was just a reactive kid. I had anger problems with. When people picked on me, I. I always came back. Like, I never started shit. I was. He must have done something. And I. Yeah, I pushed him. And then I didn't know. You know, I didn't know martial arts at five and. Yeah. Bit the shit out of him. Like. Like bad. Bad.

[Julian]

You drew blood?

[Rory]

Yeah, Like, I. I don't remember if I drew blood, but based off what, my mom has retold this story to me and the few memories I have, I, like, really injured. Like, really injured a child.

[Julian]

Look at Rory Osborne.

[Rory]

Like, I. I dug my the little teeth I had into his stomach.

[Mal]

Rory Lecter over here.

[Julian]

Yeah. Rory shows up. Roy shows up the next day with a face, with a muscle.

[Rory]

Mayweather. It was human nature.

[Mal]

Human. No, it wasn't.

[Julian]

I've never once looked.

[Rory]

Animals bite.

[Mal]

I've never bitten nobody in my life.

[Julian]

I mean, if David Attenborough narrate that.

[Mal]

That's not normal. That's why you got suspended. Because it's not normal.

[Julian]

That's not normal.

[Rory]

No. No. You know what's funny? I didn't get suspended. Just. They called my mom immediately to pick me up to get me out of preschool or whatever the. It was at that time. And my mom picked me up in the middle of her work day. That's why she was so mad. And then drove me past my dad's work to say when he gets off because she had got called out of her work to pick me up.

[Mal]

Yeah, she's pissed.

[Rory]

But I never. I didn't get suspended. Like, I didn't. I went back to daycare the next day.

[Mal]

So did your dad beat your ass?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Way to go, dad.

[Rory]

It was the. It was the only time outside of the one time me and my dad fought when I was a teenager that he ever put his hands on me.

[Julian]

What do you mean you fought? Like you squared up.

[Rory]

Yeah, he beat my ass.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Beat my ass.

[Mal]

Squaring up with your pops is crazy.

[Rory]

And it was, it was my. It was all my fault. Like, I love my dad. I. I was wrong. I. I was right in my aggression towards. Should have been why I was. Wanted to fight him.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But I. I wasn't there. We wasn't in the right league. Yeah.

[Mal]

It wasn't. It wasn't there yet. Still too young.

[Rory]

And he. And he went. He went easy on me just to teach me.

[Mal]

Yeah. Just get you a little. Grab your strength a little bit.

[Rory]

Yeah. It didn't. I. I was like. I didn't know he was that strong.

[Mal]

Yeah. Gotta let you feel that, man. Strip, Poppy. One time, Bow.

[Julian]

Scared me.

[Rory]

Yeah. I might have been like 16. Yeah.

[Mal]

He. He.

[Rory]

He let me know that he was my pops.

[Mal]

Yeah. I never had that.

[Rory]

It was my fault. My dad would have never done that had I not been the aggressor.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

That was the one time. Like I was just really hurt and yeah, he was. All right, if we, if you want to do that, I bet right.

[Julian]

You.

[Mal]

The fight.

[Julian]

What was that post like? Did you shake hands? Did you like get dinner after? Like, how did the post fight interaction.

[Mal]

With the kid or his pops with his dad.

[Rory]

Oh, no, I. Him and I were not in a good space at that time. I think we got in a good space when I was like 23, so you gotta think 16 to 23. And it wasn't because of that fight. But yeah, we weren't in a good place to begin with. So.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Gotcha.

[Rory]

So, yeah. And we. Him and I have never even talked about that, to be quite honest, because I don't. I mean, I took my. Once I got a little older, I got the lesson.

[Mal]

Yeah, you get it makes sense when you get older. Like, I understood. I understand why I got some of the aspirants I got growing up.

[Julian]

Yeah, but you totally fight. Like, that's different. Getting your ass kicked by your parent versus squaring up against it.

[Mal]

I was not bold enough to. I told you, the one time my mom hit me with. She was hitting me with something. Maybe it was a belt.

[Julian]

Tennis racket was where.

[Mal]

No, the tennis racket was. I didn't even know my mom played tennis. I don't know. Still don't know where she got that tennis racket from. But my mom was hitting me with a belt. And I remember I was around that age I started myself and that was.

[Rory]

The, the preschool thing. The only time my father ever. It was with a belt when he got home.

[Mal]

Yeah. So my mom was hitting me with the belt, but it wasn't. I was at the age where the belt wasn't hurting me anymore. So then, like, she hit me and I, like, I put my arm up and the belt wrapped around my arm. Like it kind of like just like curled around my arm. And I pulled the belt out of her hand. And in that moment, she looked at me. She was like. She stepped back and looked at me like, oh, like you think you. And she went in the kitchen and got something. I don't know what it was. And I was just like, okay, I can't do nothing with, with this right here.

[Julian]

But that won't wrap around. That's. That's made of. That's a cast iron pan. That's not going to wrap around.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's going to wrap around my brain and turn me into a vegetable. So. Yeah, I mean, but I never squared up with my mom. Hell no.

[Rory]

No, I never squared up with my mom either. But I. I definitely had that corny almost like movie moment of I'm the man of this house and boy to my dad, I don't care if I don't live here.

[Mal]

So what? I don't sleep here. It's still my house. It's still my house.

[Julian]

Crazy.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Him and I've never. Maybe I should talk to him about that one.

[Julian]

Maybe.

[Rory]

But I like, again, as someone that is open about a lot of their traumas that was. It was never traumatic to me. Like, it actually thought it was more of a. A lesson in a good moment.

[Mal]

You needed that.

[Rory]

Yeah, I thought it was. That was fine.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And even the preschool moment. Yeah. I shouldn't be biting kids till they bleed.

[Mal]

Yeah. That's weird.

[Rory]

I didn't.

[Julian]

I guess squaring.

[Rory]

I don't think I went with the intention. I was like five.

[Mal]

Yeah. But once you felt flesh, you kind of just was like, that's it. I got it.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Let's go all the way now.

[Rory]

I appreciate that you think I had such a developed brain at that point, but.

[Mal]

Yeah, you felt this three. Flesh. And he was like, oh, that's. That's not his shirt.

[Julian]

I guess squaring up with your dad is a healthier route than how Marvin Gaye and his dad settled things.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's. Yeah, that's a very drastic.

[Julian]

Guys didn't have a conversation after.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And my dad and I share guns, so that's. Yeah, probably better.

[Mal]

I want to talk about that logic and his dad having that one. That interview or that conversation with each other on camera.

[Julian]

What you think about it?

[Mal]

I don't know. I just. We could save it for the next episode, but I just don't. I don't. I just feel like that's a conversation and I get it. That conversation will help others and a situation similar to that and help them, but I just feel like everything is not content, bro. I just feel like some shit is just supposed to be like, that's so. That. That's so intimate and such like a. A real thing that I just don't think that cameras should be recording that. I just have to.

[Rory]

I'm with you. I. I wouldn't do that. But I don't know if you're a very hurt kid and you're trying to get over something and everybody's trying to go off your success financially based off you talking about traumas and it. It is very painful to you. Maybe I need to show my pops how this goes.

[Mal]

Like.

[Rory]

You sit here and devote your whole pain to the world if you want to also get the money from it. Because I have to get a lot of the backlash and based off what happened to me. And you want the success of it, but not the backlash or the trauma of telling the world how up Things are in your life. Like, I'm not saying his pop signed up for it, nor does your family need to go through the public scrutiny for them to financially profit off your success. But. Yeah.

[Mal]

Yeah, but everything is just not camera. No, it's not.

[Rory]

I agree. I would never do what he did. I wouldn't. But I'm also. I don't.

[Mal]

I don't think everyone but like to have microphones and cameras.

[Rory]

But. But imagine. All right.

[Mal]

I don't.

[Rory]

Logic, which we said to him on camera. He's not my type of music. I think he's a good dude. I like him as a person. Not my type of music. But I am aware that a lot of his music does deal with the trauma that he's been through in his life. I know he had a very. A very rough upbringing. I know people clown him because he tries to talk about it. Myself included.

[Julian]

You know he's black. I learned that from the interview.

[Rory]

I had no idea.

[Mal]

You didn't know Logic.

[Rory]

He's being very. Sorry.

[Julian]

No. His dad. I just didn't see. I never saw his dad. I didn't know he was black.

[Mal]

How did you think Logic was biracial? You thought his mom was black? Or did you not know he's biracial?

[Julian]

I just didn't know.

[Rory]

He's being very sarcastic right now.

[Julian]

That's serious. I thought it was. I thought it was very telling and insightful and educational.

[Rory]

So. All right, put your.

[Julian]

Logic's black.

[Rory]

Put yourself in that situation. World healed, myself included. Clowns him for that all the time. And you do this. I'm black, I'm white, I'm black and I'm white and I'm black, black, black, and I'm white and I'm white. Like the. All the hooks of his songs.

[Julian]

That's the.

[Rory]

And you get all that ridicule, but you're also a multi millionaire and have to deal with. That's the other thing. I don't think people realize when people rap about all that pain and trauma that they talk about. Just because y'all like the song doesn't mean that they. You don't have to still deal with that.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I watched the clip of him talking about his nine siblings and all this other. Everyone's asking for something. And I'm profiting off all of this based off the shit I put out to the world. And the world outside of my core fan base is also clowning me about this. If y'all want some of this money, come sit in the chair with me and see how much this sucks. You put me through a lot of shit when I was a kid. Now when I talk about this trauma, thank God I've made a life for myself, but I also get a lot of pushback. And you still want money. See how it feels. I don't. I. I completely disagree with it.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm just trying to figure out, looking at it from maybe his perspective, where do I think maybe he was exploiting his dad? Sure. And I'm fine with that point of view. But also, Logic doesn't view things the way the rest of us do, or any artist or any successful person in that matter, or anyone that's been through that type of trauma. Like, stop asking me for money. All right, you want to do that? Then sit with me. Let's talk about it on camera. Let's go make some money together. And if you. If you want. I would never. I would never do that, but I would theory.

[Julian]

And I think, like most artists, especially someone like Logic, who's been successful for over a decade at this point, I.

[Rory]

Mean, he's been some multimillionaire. He's. Yeah, he's doing fine.

[Julian]

Well, not just financially. I mean, like, I think mentally, his lot of artists build their sense of value through the gratification and support of other people, through the consumer. So for him to pour out his heart and do these things and expose just himself, then it's like, okay, I'm doing this for myself. But he's like.

[Rory]

He's talked about his family, though, in his music.

[Julian]

No, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying he's doing it the best he can, Dolo. Like, he's like, this is. I'm speaking on behalf of my legacy, my family, my lineage. So I think now, I think it's more so, like, I need to. I need to ramp this up a bit and prove that I'm right more than I can communicate via the music. So let me put my dad on camera, put this out to the people that I seek, the gratitude, the set, the comments from, the gratification from, and then receive the positive feedback that I do with my music. That's. I don't. That's the angle that I would look at.

[Rory]

Well, I guess my. My question with everything, with how music has changed and how content is so important to be tied to music, we've never been mad at an artist pouring their heart out about their family members, naming specific family members, everything that they went through, whether it be girlfriends, wives, kids, their childhood, that was always fine. We actually Encouraged and thought that was what made great artists. Now that the world has shifted and content is so important, we. What is the difference? Is it not exploitation the same way? Because now I'm talking to my family me member rather than doing it over a beat. It's more like, how was it? How come. How come we never said it was exploitation when we've loved every artist to talk about their traumas their entire life. Name name.

[Mal]

Because the dad is actually sitting right there now with the kid.

[Julian]

There was a level of I'm ask.

[Rory]

I'm not, I'm asking a question.

[Julian]

There's a level.

[Rory]

Times have changed with music.

[Julian]

There's a level of anonymity. And yes, everyone has a dad. Everyone has a mom. Eminem talked about killing his mom a thousand times, but she wasn't sitting across from him.

[Mal]

She wasn't in the poof. And he was like rapping at her.

[Julian]

Like, it was just like theoretically. Not theoretically. If he was being literal. Not, you know he has a mom, but you still don't know who that woman is. This is like, yo, dad, you're sitting do this because I want you to do this and I'm going to make you feel uncomfortable.

[Mal]

Yeah, sure, yeah. It's just not. It's something about that is just. It's too personal. But like, keep that, Keep that family. Keep that in house. Deal with that. I'm not saying don't have the conversation and talk, but keep that to the family. We don't. I shouldn't have. I shouldn't be privy to that conversation between you and your dad.

[Rory]

Like, we could say that about so many great rappers. Like, should I be privy that hov shot his older brother. Like, it's a lot of trauma that we champion. And again, I would never sit with my dad and do something like that.

[Mal]

Right. Like, but you wouldn't do it because it's too personal.

[Rory]

But. But also I'm not logic. So I can't base everything off of the trauma that logic went through where him trying to heal. And when you're trying to heal, sometimes you do vindictive things because you want people to feel the same pain you felt and sat him there to yet straight up exploit him and make him feel the pain that he's had to feel. But what you're saying, and I know it's up, but like I'm not again, like, we can't judge everyone based off how they're trying to heal. Even though I. I completely disagree with what he did and I think he probably did exploit his dad.

[Julian]

Yeah, but. But what you're saying, outside of the sit down on the artist perspective we do in podcasting, like you just said, you're. The incident you have with your dad, you've never talked about it or addressed it, but here we are talking about it and sharing that with our audience. So it's like. It's not. I'm not saying you're exploiting that system, but I'm saying what would it. What would it be? You're comfortable doing that because this is your art and we were comfortable saying things that we probably haven't said to people to their face. But you wouldn't do this shit on this camera in this. On this format with him there. This is not appropriate to do it like that. But you can.

[Rory]

I know.

[Julian]

I talk about it.

[Rory]

I agree with you. I think there's plenty of things I don't find appropriate, but I'm also not in that person's shoes and don't understand how they're dealing with probably a way drastically different life than I had. I think logic probably went through a lot of. A lot of shit. Like a lot of times we clown that guy because he's a extremely hurt soul. Went through a lot of shit that most of us could never overcome.

[Mal]

Mm.

[Rory]

So that's where I give him some grace. Even though I. I'm not a fan of his music per se. I've have listened to it and I don't think he's lying. I don't think a lot of us could go through what logic went through. I. I have not been through half of what logic went through. I don't think he's lying. It's fucked up. So how could I sit here and imagine somebody that's gotten to this success, now has two kids, wife, and is. Is really trying. Has had his dad try to be a grandpa and is trying to heal some. He went through where no one was looking out for him. Is going about it the only way he knows how. And I think we can all say that's wrong. But who are we to say that?

[Mal]

I just think.

[Rory]

Who are we to say it?

[Mal]

I just think it's a little too intimate, a little too personal.

[Rory]

Agreed. But.

[Mal]

And I know that you know, things like that now or all over the Internet, people just. Nothing is private anymore. Nothing is. You know, everything is for content. Everything is to share with the world and get a reaction and go viral and things like that. But I just. It's just certain things that I just can't. I just can't get with the new. The new times when it comes to certain things like that. Like, that conversation to me is like, I think have that conversation maybe when y'all are in a more healed, better space then y'all could, you know, because it seems like it's still a lot of hurt and a lot of, like, emotions there behind what happened, you know, as a child growing up. But I think if y'all get past that and are in a better space, you know, as far as personally in y'all lives with each other, then I think, you know, have your dad on say, listen, man, me and my dad been, you know, going through therapy. We've been doing all of this. We've been trying to healing. We. Our relationship is great now. You know, it was times where as a kid, you know, I missed him and I wanted him around for these moments and things like that. But I think when it's still, like, fresh and it's still, like, a lot of, you know, things that haven't been discussed, I think that that is something you can't give. It's too. It's too. It's too. It's too intimate.

[Rory]

And I personally completely agree with you. And we can close this and close the episode. I will. The last thing I will say is, can you not understand when someone has felt extremely powerless their entire life based off the people that were supposed to raise them once they get the power to return some. Some of that energy? I felt powerless my whole life, and now I have the power and it's.

[Mal]

You felt powerless in terms of what.

[Rory]

I mean, just based off what I watched with. With that interview, I. Yeah, I feel like logic. Feels like he was very much abandoned and not cared for. And now that he has been successful, is now cared for and he felt powerless his whole life. Just feel like he had nothing. Nobody cared for him. And then to now have somebody come back to say, hey, can you help me? It was like, where were you when I needed help? And I. Again, I don't agree with how he went about it, but I can totally see how someone could feel that way once they. They now have the power. So now I can feel. Now I can make you feel like you're powerless. Now I can make you feel what I felt my whole childhood. Because now I'm the one in control.

[Julian]

Now because, like, have that moment, but, like, don't. Because this is where I lean back to my initial theory. If you. If it's really about controlling the narrative, not controlling the narrative, but being in that moment of power, then don't Give it. Don't share this with people. Have nothing to do with this shit and let them be.

[Mal]

And not only.

[Julian]

I think it's doing the validation from other people. I think it was less about him having that one.

[Rory]

Yeah, that whole conversation with Lodge. We had that conversation with Logic in Malibu about that whole thing. We know that's how he thinks, so.

[Julian]

I wasn't eating sushi with you guys. My bad. I didn't.

[Rory]

And, well, Adam Sandler was there too, in basketball.

[Julian]

Drop his ring.

[Mal]

You may have heard. May have heard of him, but no.

[Rory]

To that exact point. Yeah. That. We know Logic to be that. So if you know someone that is looking for validation from the rest of the world and has felt powerless their whole life, the only way he knows how to go about this whole thing once he now has the power is to do what he did again. I'm not agreeing with it, but we need to put context to this.

[Julian]

Yeah, I don't like that.

[Rory]

I don't either.

[Mal]

Yeah, I don't.

[Rory]

I don't either.

[Mal]

I get it. But.

[Rory]

But how can I shit on somebody when you add context into it? Even if I disagree with it, I know where it came from.

[Julian]

Yeah, he's doing what he thinks he's doing what he's comfortable or what he's known or what he. What he feels needs to be done. But I think that there's a lot of real growing and real maturity that's lacking on the back end. It's really mature and big of him to have that moment with his dad and talk. But it's. It's also. Now we're. We're.

[Rory]

But how. How can you have maturity?

[Julian]

We're losing.

[Rory]

How can you have maturity within how you deal with your family when your family never gave you maturity?

[Julian]

No, that's fair. No, I'm not. Look, I'm not. I'm not.

[Rory]

We're asking Logic to move around at this age with no point of reference when it comes to family. How did he handle his dad? He never had a dad. How could he know how to handle his dad? His dad didn't know how to handle a son.

[Julian]

But I'm saying, like, do the growth.

[Rory]

He was supposed to be the teacher.

[Julian]

The growth in private.

[Mal]

That's.

[Rory]

That's unfair to put on somebody, even. Even though I agree with you, that's unfair.

[Mal]

It's just. It's just more work to put cameras and mics on.

[Rory]

It's. Yeah.

[Mal]

Even if it. Even if it is.

[Julian]

No. Even if that is your tactic that brings you some sort of Joy. And again, the joy comes from other people talking about it. But have that moment and record Tomorrow's point. Have 10 of these conversations. Record all of them. Fucking stick a camera in your asshole. But when, when you're actually healed and you guys are in a very good place, then like release them so you can also reflect, have those moments and then be well. By the time all of them are out, you're not even really worried about the comments because you guys are cool.

[Rory]

To me, that's good. To me, that's more. That's. That's exploiting in its definition. To me, if your goal is to do all that, I honestly, which I know people disagree with me, I think logic really put those cameras on and had that combo. If he's planning all of this strategically and like, we should do episodes this way and like, let's turn the cameras on. I could chop shop up. Then. At this point, you are exploiting this entire conversation.

[Julian]

Exploiting right now.

[Rory]

No, it is. But if you're just like, if you start doing a planning rollout with it, like chopping all that up.

[Mal]

1, 800 numbers coming.

[Rory]

What's that? That was an exploitation.

[Mal]

If you missed your dad at baseball.

[Rory]

Practice, yo, having a 1, 800 number to miss your dad is crazy.

[Mal]

Call me, I'll talk to you.

[Rory]

Okay? Okay. But sometimes, but sometimes is exploitation good.

[Mal]

A bunch of dad.

[Julian]

I'll say, who would be the dad? Because the, the bid is you call the three digit number and no one answers. It's just dial tone.

[Mal]

Dad's not here.

[Julian]

Yeah, dad wanted to go get cigarettes.

[Rory]

My dad is so old right now, doesn't know how to use the phone to the bodega.

[Mal]

Somebody has to pay the bills around here, son.

[Rory]

Left on green. But is exploitation good sometimes? Because even though I, I feel logic exploited the suicide number, isn't there kind of proven data that it helped help what? People that wanted to kill themselves.

[Julian]

I mean, just. Yeah, I mean, just logically, if you break it down, I just think that if you're punching in three digits versus seven, you're saving time. You're probably going to get.

[Mal]

Listen, man, I just think that if you had thought of killing yourself and a logic song made you not kill yourself, I think you should still kill yourself.

[Julian]

Finding your solace.

[Mal]

You're fucked up more than we, we would ever know. Like, if you heard a logic song, it was like, nah, bro, I can't do this. It's like, nah, it's bigger than me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, all right, fam. You might really need to kill yourself.

[Rory]

Also, by the way, as someone that's. That's been in that place before, I. I was not watching the VMAs. I've been into the video. I have been in a suicidal place more than once before, I promise you. I didn't. I was not watching an award show during it, bro.

[Julian]

I was listening to the Weekend, trying to overdose on cocaine, dying my sleep. I wasn't banging three one, whatever the 1, 800 suicide.

[Mal]

I remember somebody told me, they're just.

[Rory]

Not sitting there like, oh, the number. And like, you know how long it would take if you're that depressed, to write that whole number down from the tv?

[Mal]

Cut it out. Remember somebody told me they was thinking about killing himself, but this was paying all his bills on time. He was just paying his bills. I'm like, what the you paying bills for if you plan on killing yourself?

[Julian]

Well, what would you need the money for?

[Rory]

Okay, I thought, you know, I thought you were gonna go a different route with that. No, no. Now I kind of agree with you.

[Mal]

Yo, this was paying his bills the first of every month.

[Julian]

Shut off.

[Mal]

I'm like, fam, didn't you just say you was gonna kill yourself like, last month? Are you paying your bills?

[Julian]

So you're saying the first sign of. You mean it is to cut off auto pay?

[Mal]

I'm just saying, dog, credit score. I just think people that are, like, from what I've seen, that talk about killing themselves, they just. It's like, you. You want that attention. You want somebody to feel like, oh, shit, he's thinking about killing himself. I'm just saying, from my experiences with people that I know.

[Rory]

See, this is where I thought.

[Mal]

I don't think you were gonna go.

[Rory]

And I'm mistaken. You. This is the place you're going. Never mind. You say they never mind. You going. The place I thought.

[Julian]

Right.

[Mal]

I'm just saying, from my personal experience, I'm not saying, oh, obviously some people have gone through it and had a.

[Rory]

House you don't know about.

[Mal]

No, I'm just saying for people that have said it to me that they've expressed to me that they've thought about here, Rory, sex home. He thought about killing herself.

[Julian]

He just said it.

[Rory]

But I've never in the top hit Maul and was like, yo.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, he never hit me. He was like, yo, I think in the moment.

[Julian]

No, you do.

[Rory]

That's what he saw. Like, in the moment.

[Mal]

I should be the first.

[Rory]

And we are. We already know, based off all the depression, suicide conversations. I've had in my seven years of podcasting mall would never be my first call.

[Mal]

You.

[Julian]

Come on. Mom's like, you still here?

[Rory]

Yo, you called me. Maul would be like, yo, Honestly, Nick's up 10.

[Mal]

Yeah. Like, I ain't got time for this.

[Rory]

Wait for the fourth quarter.

[Mal]

I'll call you back.

[Rory]

Think of that metaphor.

[Julian]

Just don't jump in front of my train.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, yo, don't do that, fam. Like, I got somewhere to go. Don't, Don't. Don't kill yourself in front of my train. Don't do that.

[Rory]

That's. That's actually.

[Mal]

That's sick.

[Rory]

It.

[Julian]

Exactly where you thought it.

[Rory]

Because I was about to give him so much credit because I thought he's about to say, yo, you're paying all your bills, bro. Like, why would you kill you? Like, look at the great position you're in. Why would you kill yourself?

[Julian]

No.

[Rory]

Yeah, Went right there.

[Mal]

I'm that friend that's just gonna be like, yo, what the are you talking about? Like, shut up. You're not killing yourself.

[Rory]

Like, no, it wouldn't be. That would.

[Mal]

Get off my phone.

[Rory]

That would be so helpful in that moment.

[Mal]

Yeah, I think it's better than that 1-800-number. No, they should have had me answer the hotline.

[Julian]

Mal. What would you. If someone. Let's. Let's play this out. Ring, ring, ring, ring, ring.

[Mal]

All right, bet. Hold on.

[Julian]

Ring.

[Mal]

Yo.

[Julian]

Oh, man, look, my. My life's in shambles. I, I, I'm losing my house, my wife divorced me. I, I can't see my kids. I, I'm. I'm going to end it.

[Rory]

No, don't. Don't do that, because now you're going to make him have a conversation. I have. No, no, no, no, no.

[Mal]

You on three way.

[Rory]

No, let me redo it.

[Mal]

Where's your father?

[Rory]

I have, I have.

[Mal]

Are you on three ways?

[Rory]

I have a. I didn't know this.

[Mal]

Was a conference call.

[Rory]

I have a actual chemical imbalance where no matter what is going on in my life. Good. Based off what y'all think, I'm ready to kill myself. Go. Because he, he just brought up a bunch of points that you could retort.

[Mal]

Like, are you ready to kill yourself based on chemical. Take two edibles, go get some haze.

[Julian]

Weed is your answer.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's it.

[Rory]

I smoke a lot of weed, but.

[Mal]

What kind of weed, though? See? What kind. See? What's the good. What's the strain you're smoking? Like, what kind? Who's your supplier? Because you Might be smoking some garbage, you know what I'm saying? I'm gonna get you on. I know somebody that knows somebody. We gonna get you right? We gonna get you a pack and everything's gonna be all right, man. All right.

[Rory]

Don't kill yourself, okay? Give me some another gossip two weeks later. Yo, I've been. I've been with that pack for two weeks, smoking it non stop with the shit that you suggested. Yeah, I still, based off the chemical imbalance in my brain, still am ready to kill myself.

[Mal]

Hey, I had a two weeks life lifespan to. Hey, you still here?

[Rory]

Yo, that was two weeks.

[Mal]

Yeah, for real, yo, you still here.

[Rory]

I gave you time to get your affairs in order.

[Julian]

I gave you time.

[Mal]

You gotta thank me.

[Julian]

You got two weeks of goodbyes.

[Mal]

I helped you in two weeks.

[Rory]

Back to fathers. You know how insensitive my pops is. Anytime somebody dies because he doesn't know how to handle emotions or death, he always says, yo, I wish I would have borrowed money from him. Kia, how many funerals have I been to since you've met me? Every single time my pops goes, wish I would have borrowed money.

[Mal]

I get it.

[Rory]

That's hilarious. Because if you think about it, if I would have known. All right, I don't have to pay it back.

[Mal]

Let's get the out of here. I'm dying over here, man.

[Rory]

Needs to upload the. Yeah, sorry, bro.

[Julian]

This is the latest we've recorded an episode. Guys, listen, man.

[Mal]

This was cool. Night night, pops.

[Julian]

Nightcast.

[Mal]

March 23rd. We are at the Howard Theater in D.C. tickets available now. New Rory and mall.com merch is available and subscribe to the Patreon. Thank you for everybody subscribing. Yeah, excuse me. I'm sick. I'm fucked up. We'll talk to you soon. Be safe, be blessed.

[Julian]

I'm.

[Mal]

That nigga uses ginger Peace, no worry and mouth.