Episode 296 | 10-2 = ATE

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & MAL – Episode 296 | 10-2 = ATE

Release Date: August 23, 2024

Hosts: Damaris, Mall, Julian, and Peach

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1. Recap of Detroit Show

The episode kicks off with the hosts reflecting on their recent performance in Detroit. They express gratitude to the fans and reminisce about their experiences at the legendary St. Andrews Hall.

• Julian (00:47): “We're here fresh off our Detroit show.”
• Mall (01:00): “It was amazing. Had so much fun.”

2. Beyoncé’s 'Sir Davis' Whiskey Launch

A significant portion of the discussion centers around Beyoncé's foray into the spirits industry with her new whiskey brand, Sir Davis. The hosts delve into the potential cultural implications and marketing strategies behind the brand.

• Julian (01:46): “Is it a little bit racist that he turned the Motown house into a Doucet bottle?”
• Mall (02:03): “I do want to understand how his brain landed on that, though.”

The conversation explores whether the branding respects the rich history of Motown and its cultural significance. They acknowledge the high quality of the whiskey, citing its accolades:

• Mall (09:33): “The whiskey was entered anonymously into a number of spirits competitions... it has won platinum and best in class for American Whiskey from the 2023 SIP Awards.”

3. Comparison with Other Celebrity Alcohol Brands

The hosts compare Beyoncé's Sir Davis to other celebrity-endorsed alcohol brands like George Clooney's Casamigos and Jay-Z's Doucet. They discuss the challenges celebrities face in authentically connecting with their target demographics.

• Julian (05:03): “But this just crossed my mind now. When was this? 2018... Now I'm just like, yeah.”

4. Beyoncé’s Other Ventures: Ivy Park, Fragrances, and Hair Care

The discussion shifts to Beyoncé’s other business ventures, including her athleisure brand Ivy Park, fragrance lines like Say Noir, and her hair care line Sacred. The hosts analyze why some of these products have struggled to maintain market presence compared to others.

• Damaris (06:17): “People are perfectly able to change the type of liquor that they drink because Beyoncé's older now...”
• Mall (10:20): “She's using a platform, a fan base.”

5. Authenticity in Celebrity Branding: Beyoncé vs. Rihanna

A key theme is the authenticity behind celebrity brands. The hosts argue that Rihanna has been more relatable and authentic in her marketing efforts compared to Beyoncé, whose ventures often feel overproduced and disconnected from her public persona.

• Peach (22:01): “If Beyoncé told me to wear pink socks to work today, I would wear pink socks.”
• Peach (23:21): “Look at the name. You want to see."

6. Podcasting Deal: Alex Cooper’s 'Call Her Daddy' Secures $125 Million with SiriusXM

The hosts congratulate Alex Cooper for her podcast "Call Her Daddy" landing a lucrative $125 million deal with SiriusXM. They discuss the implications for the podcast industry and compare it to previous deals, such as Joe Rogan's exclusive partnership with Spotify.

• Julian (61:21): “Alex Cooper takes our money from Sirius.”
• Mall (63:08): “So she has a couple shows.”

7. Celebrity Entrepreneurship: Lessons from Jay-Z, Drake, and Others

The conversation broadens to examine how different artists like Jay-Z and Drake have successfully transitioned into business ventures. They highlight Jay-Z’s ability to grow authentically and maintain a strong connection with his audience, contrasting it with others who may struggle to resonate outside their music careers.

• Mall (44:15): “Jay was always older than me.”
• Julian (48:26): “I think Push now has a good balance of that.”

8. Audience Interaction: Accidental Text Stories

In a lighter segment, listeners share their embarrassing experiences of sending the wrong text messages. The hosts humorously discuss the mishaps and offer relatable anecdotes about digital communication blunders.

• Damaris (88:15): “I did that on Snapchat before... sent it to my little sister.”
• Mall (89:22): “You send your sister naked pixies?”

9. Discussion on Social Media Missteps and Privacy

Building on the accidental texts, the hosts debate the challenges of maintaining privacy and the ease of making mistakes on social media platforms. They emphasize the importance of being cautious with digital communications to avoid unintended public exposure.

• Julian (92:12): “I send it to the wrong person. Well, I thought I sent it to somebody.”
• Damaris (90:04): “But I'm living in a naked household.”

10. Closing Remarks

The episode wraps up with brief promotions of upcoming shows and events, encouraging listeners to secure their tickets via the podcast’s website.

• Mall (104:32): “Chicago, this Sunday, August 25th, we will be at the City Winery...”

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Notable Quotes:

• Julian (06:17): “Beyoncé's older now. We weren't all tequila drinkers at one point...”
• Damaris (22:25): “That's a southern thing.”
• Mall (37:28): “Let Sexy Red sell that. Let her get that off on Shark Tank.”
• Peach (34:43): “These are the... Sexy Red is putting out a lip gloss that tastes like her asshole.”
• Damaris (36:34): “We describe it as nut white. We're not going and dying.”

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This episode of New Rory & MAL offers an insightful and entertaining exploration of celebrity entrepreneurship, authenticity in branding, and the dynamics of modern podcasting deals. With its blend of serious analysis and humorous anecdotes, it provides listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the topics discussed.

Transcript

[Damaris]

I did that on Snapchat before. I was naked running around my house in a Batman cape and I accident. I meant to. I swear to God, I meant to send it to my little sister.

[Mall]

What are you doing? What?

[Peach]

No worry.

[Damaris]

I'm hardwood floors 10, 10, 10 across.

[Mall]

The board.

[Damaris]

Your face can't never declines. My God. Eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it Yummy, yummy, yummy make the bummy eat it make the pretty.

[Mall]

Girl talk that shitty whiskey till I'm.

[Damaris]

Pretty on my kitty Cool down, down.

[Julian]

Down bad, bad make the bad glitchy.

[Damaris]

Fine, fine for fine for five, five five Liberated living like we ain't got.

[Julian]

Time Y Y Y Y Y.

[Mall]

Me.

[Damaris]

Quick girl, I need my glass Fend.

[Julian]

Me off my Risco and we are back. We're here fresh off our Detroit show.

[Mall]

Thank you to everybody that came out.

[Julian]

It was amazing. Had so much fun.

[Mall]

St. Andrews Hall. You. You got some. You got some. You. You made your bones in St. Andrews Hall.

[Julian]

I did, actually.

[Mall]

Yeah. You. You made your bones in St. Andrew. Been there a few times.

[Julian]

I was such a nerd the first time I went. When we did palooza there, I feel like all of us were. We had to walk down and see the Shelter. Like, we all became rap nerds when we were doing, like, sound check.

[Mall]

I mean, it is one of those places, venues that if you. Your first time there, you do have to kind of take it in and, you know, walk around, check the place out a little bit.

[Julian]

And I mean, I know they filmed 8 Mile at a different venue, but it was supposed to be dangerous. Yeah, it was cool, man. I feel like people are lying if they don't nerd out at that type of stuff.

[Mall]

Well, you have to. It's a landmark. It's a legendary venue in Detroit. So, you know, anytime you get to go there, you got to kind of feel like, okay, some great people have made this. You know, he had a night here as well, so we had our night.

[Julian]

Let me ask you a quick question with this Doucet Palooza flyer that Peej just pulled up. Peej, who we love, who's extremely creative. Is it a little bit racist that he turned the Motown house into a Doucet bottle?

[Mall]

Not racist.

[Julian]

Just a tiny bit in retrospect that maybe we were tone deaf in this.

[Mall]

I do want to underst understand how his brain landed on that, though.

[Julian]

It's a Detroit landmark, and Peach made, in my opinion, is the best flyer creator of all time. Looked at what Detroit was famous for.

[Mall]

Yeah. And made it and made it his own. Yeah.

[Julian]

He made the Motown house a Doucet bottle.

[Mall]

Little. Little tone deaf with the cognac and the history, you know, Motown, black people like, little tone deaf.

[Julian]

But this just crossed my mind now. When was this? 2018. In 2018, I was like, wow, this is the best flyer ever.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Now I'm just like, yeah.

[Mall]

Years later, you're looking back at it, you like, and then you have, like, the black men in the sky, Are they here? Is this their obituary? Did they pass away? Like, what's going on with the clouds behind them?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mall]

You know, give an obituary a little bit.

[Julian]

This was fun, though. Detroit's a really good city, but love Detroit, man.

[Mall]

Thank you to everybody that came out, had a great time, and City Winery in Chicago is up Next this Sunday, August 25th. Tickets available [e-mail].

[Julian]

We got some downtime in Chicago because.

[Mall]

Got a few days off. Well, performing on Sunday, you got. You got family time.

[Julian]

Yeah, I'll be doing family time. You'll be like no chaperone by yourself for a few days.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Sneaking off. What's your Chicago plans?

[Mall]

Sneaking off?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I'm not sneaking. Should I usually do. Just go get something to eat? Chicago is a dope city to fall into. I'm gonna see if there's any. Any shows. Anything going on while we there.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Mall]

Try to catch a show or something, you know, see, get outside a little bit.

[Julian]

All right.

[Mall]

Hit a few people, see if they in town, see what's going on.

[Damaris]

You're gonna be off that, Sir Davis.

[Mall]

Sir Davis.

[Damaris]

You're gonna be off that, sir Davis.

[Mall]

You know I don't drink, but, you know, if it's. If somebody got the bottle, I can't say no. I can't say no. If somebody back out a bottle, sir, I can't. How can I say no to that?

[Julian]

I mean, you went to the tasting, right? You're the first person that has tried Beyonce's American whiskey brand.

[Mall]

No, I. I am not the first person.

[Julian]

89.99.

[Mall]

And I would hope the first person, because I know nothing about whiskey. I wouldn't know if it's good, bad, sour. I wouldn't know what the Is going on.

[Julian]

Well, there were rumors you were behind Virginia Black and your.

[Mall]

Who.

[Julian]

Your proximity to Beyonce.

[Mall]

Who started that rumor?

[Julian]

It's rumors, man. You never know.

[Mall]

All right?

[Julian]

And a journalist cannot give up their sources.

[Mall]

That's. That's right.

[Julian]

I respect journalistic integrity.

[Mall]

I respect that.

[Julian]

But, yes, the sources say that you were behind Virginia Black with your proximity to that camp you. You were fathered into.

[Mall]

This camp I was fathered into to the Nose Carters. Okay.

[Julian]

So I feel like, you know, you may have some ties to Sir Davis here.

[Mall]

Well, Beyonce is releasing a whiskey, American whiskey brand Sir Davis for 89.99 a bottle. Sir Davis is named in honor of Davis Hogue. I hope I said that correctly. Beyonce's paternal great grandfather, who was a farmer and a moonshiner. Love that moonshine. In the South. In the American south during Prohibition, he stash whiskey bottles in the empty knots of cedar trees for friends and kin to find and enjoy. That's interesting. That would be dope to have, like, some land in the south and the trees on your property. You come to find out that your great, great grandfather, like, put bottles of whiskey in those trees. That would be fire.

[Julian]

I don't know if it'd be dope for my family to have a plot of land in the south, but, you.

[Peach]

Know, with nice, strong trees that was.

[Julian]

Passed down from generation to generation.

[Peach]

Real good roots.

[Mall]

That's your family.

[Julian]

I think it'd be great if you did.

[Mall]

We know what your ancestors was using those trees for. There was other things in the tree.

[Julian]

Okay, but in my history at least, like, we were crazy in the prohibition, the Kennedys, like, that's us.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah.

[Julian]

That's how we made. That's how we made our money.

[Mall]

I've seen Peaky Blinders. I get it.

[Julian]

I know we're all scared to say it because we're all part of the beehive and we all admittedly don't know everything. And Beyonce's a visionary, and this could be an amazing venture for her. Why is Beyonce making whiskey? Who from her fan base is drinking whiskey?

[Mall]

Well, Jay has Amanda Bruniac, which is a ace of spade.

[Julian]

Amazing.

[Damaris]

You asked who from the fan base was drinking whiskey. That's why I raised my hand.

[Julian]

Okay, we got one.

[Mall]

You would drink it. You would try it.

[Damaris]

I was just off scotch. Glimmerangie. At the Ice Spice Show. Yeah, I drink Beyonce's whiskey.

[Julian]

Do you think you were the only person drinking scotch or whiskey at the Ice Spice Show?

[Damaris]

Probably.

[Julian]

Okay. Kind of furthering my point.

[Damaris]

Well, that's at the Ice Spice Show. That's not who she's trying to market this to. People at the Ice Spice show are not. Are not buying 90 whiskey.

[Mall]

Yeah, they're not doing it. They're not doing that.

[Damaris]

You can tell by the price tag who it marketed for.

[Mall]

A certain level, a certain. A certain tier of person, only certain type of people would drink whiskey in the first place. You're a whiskey drinker. It's a certain. You're a certain type of. You have a certain type of lifestyle.

[Julian]

Okay. I mean, I think it's cool with her family history, but I mean, maybe just read that and bring it to the family reunion. Am I just the only one that's a little confused by this entire thing?

[Mall]

I'm not. I mean, it makes sense. Her husband is already, you know, in. In the wine and spirits game.

[Julian]

Okay. Jay Z's fan base drinks cognac and champagne.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Julian]

That's a no brainer. And when they had Armandale, everyone drinks vodka. That's the demographic that he's trying to sell to. Do you feel like all the people that went to the Renaissance tour are whiskey drinkers?

[Mall]

No, I don't feel like all. All of them are, but maybe this is Beyonce trying to introduce people to a. A different type of liquor, different type of spirit.

[Damaris]

People are perfectly able to change the type of liquor that they drink because Beyonce's older now. We weren't all tequila drinkers at one point, even though we guzzle that shit. Like fishes now. Fish.

[Mall]

God.

[Damaris]

Oh my God. Fishes. I can't believe that. Like fish now. The same people who were just on Jay Z's Doucet are now downing George Clooney's Casamigos. People are allowed to change the types of things that they drink. So I don't think that's.

[Mall]

Yeah, but people are heavier on tequila than whiskey, though, I think. Though naturally, I think more people prefer tequila over whiskey.

[Damaris]

Now if we're talking about our demographic, I think now.

[Mall]

Nah, that's been a thing. Take a shot of this here patron. And it's gonna be. Ever since Nelson said that nigga's been drinking tequila for sure the early 2000.

[Damaris]

But Hennessy was. Hennessy was that girl. And then do say, and I'm only talking about our demographic because when we're talking about America. Yeah, people are drinking whiskey. You talking about the South? Oh, yeah, yeah, People are drinking.

[Mall]

That's a southern. That's a southern thing.

[Julian]

I definitely believe that people drink whiskey.

[Damaris]

A lot of people.

[Julian]

If I'd imagine. She's trying to target her fans first with anything that she does. Right?

[Mall]

Yeah. She's using a platform, a fan base.

[Julian]

It's not similar like when George Clooney did Casamigos and was a partner there. Like, we found out years later that he was even a partner in that entire. This is a forward facing. Here's my whiskey. I Don't know if she's trying to convert old men in the south that already drink whiskey to drink this, or is she trying to convert this on.

[Mall]

The shelf next to whatever the top whiskey brand is, Put this next to it and see where it, you know, it lands with the competition. Because again, what if it's a great. What if it's a great whiskey?

[Damaris]

Well, she entered into. She entered it into some contests in 2023 anonymously. Right. She didn't. Under a different name because she didn't want anybody to know that she was associated with. And it won a couple of awards for being such a good whiskey. Like, they entered it before they stamped it. They entered it into these competitions to see if it measured up, and she won a couple of awards on it.

[Mall]

The whiskey was entered anonymously into a number of spirits competitions. To date, it has won platinum and best in class for American Whiskey from the 2023. 2023 SIP Awards. Well, SIP Awards, a gold medal from the 2023 New York International Spirits Competition, and a 93 point rating from the 2023 Ultimate Spirits Challenge. Don't know what any of that means, but if he wins awards, it's got to be pretty good.

[Julian]

I don't ever doubt that anything Beyonce puts out is not going to be quality. I'm sure she took it very seriously. I think it's cool if this is a passion of hers at this point in her career, just doing some shit that she likes. I applaud and think that's amazing. Not that she's looking for my approval.

[Mall]

Right.

[Julian]

But could this just be one of those things that's here for two years and is gone?

[Mall]

Well, there has been a thing with Beyonce's lifestyle. Brands haven't seemed to connect as well as. I mean, again, I don't know the numbers, business wise, maybe they. Whatever their goal was, they probably reached it. But I never seen many women wearing Darion jeans. I never seen many women wearing Ivy Park.

[Julian]

I mean, I did. Here's the thing. I thought Ivy park was a great, great fucking idea. I was like, beyonce is going to smoke this. I thought the rollout was incredible. I thought the product seemed cool. And it did not connect at all. It kind of came and went, and to me, it was genius. This doesn't make any sense as far as consumer to star connection. Athleisure made sense to me.

[Mall]

Oh, well, yeah. I mean, naturally, she's a, you know, performer. She travels. That Athleisure is perfect for somebody that has that lifestyle.

[Julian]

But it tanked if I'M not mistaken.

[Damaris]

It tanked eventually. But at the end of the day, I don't. That's like, when you guys bring up the Athleisure. We had the conversation about Ivy park, where you. There's nowhere. I loved Ivy park, but there's nowhere for you to wear that shit to Athleisure, where.

[Mall]

So it was more the design, like.

[Damaris]

Yeah, like, it was. It just wasn't. And on top of that, when you think Beyonce, you don't think Athleisure because Beyonce doesn't dress in athleisure. I don't see Beyonce in athleisure unless she's releasing behind the scenes photos. Either the ads or the behind the scenes. Like, her rehearsing. You don't see. When Beyonce steps out, she steps out. You don't see her in athleisure. So you wouldn't really connect that. Now, Rory brought up the fact of. Well, you would say the thing. Say the same thing with alcohol, which, as a Beyonce fan, if you're not a Stan, you might not know this, but we've all. We've always known that Beyonce was always a dark liquor drinker. That's always been her. But I just think whiskey is more adaptable. Like, I think alcohol, period, is more adaptable than trying to get people to buy something that no matter what, they have nowhere to wear this to. I think this whiskey can adapt a little bit better. I also don't think that she's only trying to market it to her fans. I think her fans will buy it to support her, But I think that she's aiming for a different type of customer.

[Mall]

I still think that if that Ivy park was Nike, it would have did way better. I'm gonna die on that hill. I just think that people don't attack. They don't really gravitate towards Adidas outerwear like that.

[Julian]

Okay. But Kanye, who I would consider Beyonce's peer, did great with Adidas.

[Mall]

Yeah, but his designs were different. He went. Cause he went more strict. Cause I don't know. Did the Ivy park have sneakers?

[Julian]

Yeah, they did.

[Damaris]

Yes. Yeah, that was my favorite thing.

[Julian]

Adidas joints.

[Damaris]

I love that.

[Mall]

Yeah. See, I've never even seen Ivy park sneakers.

[Damaris]

I loved my Ivy park sneakers.

[Julian]

Playing Monday morning quarterback, obviously. Do you think her putting Ivy park out everywhere and less of like, this exclusive. If you get it, you get it. Thing was the mistake, probably because it was readily available and they did drops like this, they kind of. I feel like they may have devalued, like, how amazing we thought it was because it was happening so quick. New colorways every other month. You could just go in the Adidas store and it'd be sitting there and. Which is what we want. I don't know if that works with like celebrities per se.

[Damaris]

That's what we want from brands. Right. But the price point would just need to be lower. So if you're going to have it readily available. And again, Monday morning quarterback. I don't have a degree in this. I would just assume that if you're going to have something be readily available in stores at Adidas, it needed to be at a lower price point. Otherwise if it's going to be at that high of a price point, then yes, keep it. Keep it. How Yeezus used to be.

[Mall]

Do you have any Ivy park wear or just the sneakers?

[Damaris]

I had this sneakers and I. Somebody else bought. Somebody bought me something else, but mainly just the sneakers. I could never get the drops. When they used to be doing the drops online, they would sell out immediately and I couldn't get the stuff.

[Mall]

Well, that's what I don't see. Well, you say they sell out immediately, but then on other hand we say it tanked.

[Damaris]

That was later on. Like, how does when it first came.

[Julian]

Out, this, this first line, this one here, which I guess you would call like what, orange and burgundy? That colorway. That one sold out immediately. But once they got to like the lime green era, I remember just walking in the Adidas store and like it was everywhere, like still on the racks.

[Mall]

Yeah, I don't, I don't, I still don't understand how that didn't connect better and last longer. Some of the designs I thought was. Was dope.

[Julian]

I mean, I think.

[Damaris]

Where are you wearing that?

[Julian]

Yeah. To Damaris's point, like, it's not really for working out, but it's also not something you could really wear out. So what's it for Airport.

[Damaris]

That's literally airport clothing.

[Mall]

Okay. A lot of people travel.

[Damaris]

They did not often enough to spend that much money on airport clothes.

[Peach]

They did 93 million in sales in 2021 and 40 million the following year.

[Mall]

So roughly a 50, 21.

[Peach]

They did 90, 93 and then the following year 40. So it was roughly a 50% drop in sales.

[Mall]

Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't understand how that.

[Damaris]

Well, this, this year also Beyonce. Within like a year or like 13 month span, Beyonce has launched say Noir, which is her fragrance, which I have. I wear it daily. So if you guys, you guys smell me, I smell good.

[Mall]

Oh, that's what that smell was.

[Damaris]

Say noir on. Yes, so. And then she also released.

[Mall]

Oh, we had a plumbing issue. I'm with you, baby D. God damn, you smell good.

[Damaris]

We also released Sacred. We. I do not work for bi.

[Mall]

I was letting you cook, yo. I'm about to say I didn't even know he was gang gang. But, like, my bad. You know what I'm saying?

[Damaris]

Also released the Sacred, which is her hair care line, which is supposed to be top level, different scientifically. Patent, patented. Yeah, so it's like bundles. No, it's hair care shampoo, deep conditioner, hair oil. And she got a lot of pushback on that because people were like, how is she releasing hair care? And we never see Beyonce without a wig. Which forced her to have to come online and be personable and do a video showing her getting her real hair washed. Her real hair is down her back. Nobody believed that. But it's just, I think with lifestyle, when you're selling lifestyle, why Beyonce never.

[Mall]

Sold hair, why she never jumped in that game.

[Damaris]

A lot of people said that. Why she never. I don't.

[Julian]

I mean, she has a lot on her plate.

[Mall]

Yeah, but she got a team. That's what you have a team for.

[Julian]

Though, you know, I feel. I don't. Maybe it wasn't one of her passions.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I think she's passionate.

[Mall]

Somebody that obviously has, you know, her hair care. She has a hair care line. You know, she has. She wears different type of wigs and performances, videos, things like that. Hair seems to line right up with that.

[Damaris]

Well, I think one of the main issues is it's very hard to control quality when it comes to hair, because you're buying hair from other people's heads from across the world, honestly, across the globe. And to keep. To have a product that is the same and the quality is, like, consistent. That's hard to do as somebody who's been buying hair from the same company for years. Even, like people's. It just comes in and out. The qualities change. I don't think that's something she would want to bet the house on.

[Peach]

Beyond. This is.

[Mall]

No, she's not betting the house on anything. Her house is stable.

[Peach]

Her first crack at a perfume, this was Beyonce.

[Damaris]

He. All the bad girls. Girls had that.

[Julian]

What year was this?

[Damaris]

The hot girls. The hot girls had.

[Mall]

I missed that Beyonce heat. I've never heard of that.

[Damaris]

Well, I mean, y'all were. How old were you, Rory, in 2010?

[Julian]

20.

[Damaris]

Yeah. You weren't really checking for women's perfume at 20 years old?

[Julian]

No. No, but I feel like I would have like remembered the launch. I guess I don't know anything Beyonce does.

[Mall]

Yeah, I don't even just feel like I would know. I don't remember that even like I.

[Damaris]

Remember Heat like the back of smell. Heat.

[Julian]

I mean, I think it's kind of unfair to try to find faults in Beyonce because of who she is, but her ventures outside of music have not really been great.

[Mall]

But why is that?

[Julian]

Which but just so disgusting to say because it's like why are we trying to find something to shine on a woman that is.

[Mall]

Ivy park made 93 million in one year and 40 the next to us. That's incredible. I mean obviously on her side of the business and Adidas side.

[Julian]

No, that was. Yeah, that's a loss.

[Mall]

But the thing that I, I don't understand about it is why is there. Why does this seem to not be as strong a connection or transfer in her fan base from music and obviously performance and you know, all the great production on stage wise and all of that. Why does there not seem to be as fluid a transition when it comes to lifestyles?

[Julian]

Because. Because Beyonce has never been. Is it because she's a lifestyle type of person? She's always been like this other being. We were talking on Patreon that all celebrities now to be have to be forward facing and how Beyonce kind of had to adapt and all of a sudden show people more of her personal life. Show. Show us that you are like a human being because you have been this pop star since you were a kid. That doesn't even seem real. Rihanna, on the other hand, from the beginning of her career showed us exactly who she was so her lifestyle brands can connect more. Because people feel like I know Rihanna.

[Damaris]

And she still shows us.

[Julian]

I know her for real. I know her personality. I know what she's like. Beyonce, because she was in that pop star system, was told to always be mysterious for the most part, I think.

[Mall]

You know what I think it is.

[Julian]

Because Kim Kardashian, lifestyle person, you get skims.

[Mall]

Yeah, but it works. Yeah, right. And it. Because I remember a time when I was young and I think Michael Jordan released his cologne.

[Julian]

I don't remember.

[Mall]

And I cried when I got that.

[Peach]

You still use it Peach.

[Mall]

Like I cried when I got that for Christmas.

[Julian]

That's what smells like whiskey, I'm sure.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Julian]

So whiskey and cigars.

[Mall]

But as an adult, if Michael Jordan puts out a clone tomorrow, I'm not buying that shit.

[Damaris]

Well, also Michael Jordan is very, very old and not a part of your Life.

[Mall]

You're missing what I'm saying. He's one of the biggest sports figures ever.

[Peach]

Oh, my God. I remember this.

[Mall]

He's one of biggest sports figures ever.

[Julian]

I do remember this. Now that I see the bottle.

[Mall]

So I got that bottle. I was a kid. I probably was like 13 years old when I got that bottle. Right. Amazing. I thought that that bottle helped me. My jump shot.

[Peach]

You thought you could dunk?

[Mall]

Yeah, I thought that bottle helped everything. I wore that every day. Didn't that was the only. If you smelled me in 93, 94.

[Julian]

I probably smelled like that every time you sprayed it. You said, make me like me.

[Mall]

Yeah. Like I just. That's what it was. But as that, because I'm a kid now, as an adult, some of the people that I support, whether it's artists or athletes, I'm not buying their cologne as an adult because you're.

[Damaris]

You're. That's all. They're also not marketing to you. You're 40 something years old. I was gonna say no better than to be fooled by advertising for celebrity.

[Peach]

Okay, so like, and. And these would be your peers, like your contemporaries.

[Mall]

So I think so. I think some of that is the Beyonce thing now. I think like women that love Beyonce's music and go to her shows and things like that, I don't think they want to wear Ivy Park. I don't think they want to dress like that.

[Julian]

She got every single stadium to dress like cowboys or dressing silver, whatever that was. That was the theme was.

[Mall]

Because that was the theme of the show. Yeah.

[Julian]

Not cowboys. It was silver, right?

[Damaris]

Yeah, that was the combination of the. Yeah.

[Mall]

So it was like you're in the show. That's. She created that world that moment. Ivy park now you talking about ordering that, wearing that in my day to day life. Going to run errands, going to the airport, going like.

[Peach]

I think that what mall's arguing is the influence doesn't extend beyond the music.

[Mall]

It doesn't.

[Peach]

She said everybody should wear pink socks to MetLife Stadium. They're all gonna fucking gonna wear socks.

[Damaris]

Yeah. No. If Beyonce told me to wear pink socks to work today, I would wear pink socks.

[Peach]

Yeah. Like if she literally tweeted today's. What is the mean girls on Wednesday we wear pink. Like every girl would be like, yep, that's my life now.

[Mall]

Yeah. But if she made Ivy Park Wednesdays.

[Peach]

But every Wednesday, it wouldn't connect.

[Mall]

Ivy park does a flash sale on. On the website. Does that maybe keep Ivy park afloat?

[Damaris]

But also, y'all do have to Understand that when they're making these products, the goal isn't. First of all, you need to create an ideal customer, which is what she failed to do with House of Darion, and I think what she failed to do with Ivy Park. You need an ideal customer who you are marketing.

[Mall]

I love the fact that we're telling Beyonce.

[Julian]

Oh, that's why.

[Damaris]

Oh, I'm not telling Beyonce.

[Julian]

We're trying to find a flaw in, like, the most flawless human being, to be honest.

[Mall]

It's not.

[Peach]

Look, no.

[Mall]

We're just trying to figure out what the disconnect is, like, why these brands that she created don't survive.

[Julian]

We don't have the answers.

[Peach]

And again, this isn't for anything. Beyonce needs to figure out. She has a team and a slew of people that hired. Paid handsomely to be the people leading these market. Like, the marketing strategies, all these things. We're talking to her fucking team.

[Mall]

I just. When I first saw Ivy park and I heard that Beyonce was doing that, I thought we was gonna see that shit everywhere. I was like, beyonce about to take over the.

[Peach]

I saw it on Ellen's block.

[Damaris]

It was too complex. And that's why I think where. Skims.

[Mall]

Complex as far as what, the designs.

[Damaris]

Yes. Like I said, like, we just were looking at that shit. I think wear it to skims. You can wear everywhere. You can wear in the house. You can wear it to the. It's so in the moment. The fashion is so in the moment, and it's so simple, and it's so true to who Kim is in the way that she dressed for years like that. That brand is, in essence, her.

[Julian]

I think skims is kind of the result of why Ivy park didn't work. Like, look at the simplicity of what everyday people need.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Affordable wear that you can put in multiple different scenarios. I can work out in this. I can actually make a fit out of this and go outside with it. It's very basic and needed. A void was filled where this is, like, more fashion than it is what they were trying to do. As far as Athleisure. Where just cool fashion.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Even Fenty. Outside of it being Rihanna and dope, a void needed to be filled. No. As far as certain shades of makeup.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Like, there was a real.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Women of color.

[Julian]

Yeah. It was a void that needed to be. And outside of the lifestyle thing, it. It was necessary. And this isn't necessary.

[Damaris]

Rihanna had things that failed, too. Rihanna's clothing line failed.

[Julian]

Every single celebrity has launched businesses that.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Like it. Like, it's not part of it. And Rihanna's the most relatable celebrity. I'm out, like, celebrity entrepreneur. Outside of, like, Kim, I would say so. And even she. She released. Released a fashion line and it failed.

[Mall]

I think Rihanna's probably more relatable than Kim, though.

[Damaris]

It depends on.

[Peach]

It depends on the demo.

[Damaris]

Yeah, depends on the.

[Peach]

But I think to the point with like, Rihanna does content like this. Like, she's always actively. The good thing about her products too, is her daily products. So she's all. She can always be seen using her products. She'll. She'll walk around Harlem and debut new underwear and flash her ass. And I'm not saying Beyonce needs to do those things, but these are things that are authentic to Rihanna. I feel like every time we see Beyonce do an ad, it's so like high powered studio lights. It's like this big budget production. Rihanna just hopped out of a SUV and it was filmed on a phone of her, like, flashing her ass and being like new underwear. Like, there's just more like authenticity and just like realist to realism to it, where Beyonce stuff feels so just like her music, where it works effectively. It's over. It's too overproduced to just sell a sweatsuit.

[Julian]

And to me, that's not a fault of Beyonce. That's more of like a timing thing. Rihanna's what, 34 or 5?

[Damaris]

Somewhere along those lines, yes.

[Julian]

Either way, Beyonce has been in this game since the early 90s, 36. Where this lifestyle, be yourself thing was frowned upon.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

When Rihanna came, things were starting to shift and she could really be herself. Beyonce was really never given that luxury to walk outside and be like, this is who I am. Everyone in LA would be like, yo, shut the fuck up. Go in there. When we're ready to show the world who you are, we'll do it.

[Damaris]

They made her stop talking because they made fun of her accent so much.

[Julian]

Like, yeah, which now and currently, if she were to come out, that would probably be the thing that they focused on. This is an authentic Houston girl. Be yourself. Like, that's what people want to see back then, though. No, you need to do what the white pop stars are doing. Don't even have any authenticity in his voice.

[Peach]

Go ahead, Julia, real quick. I was just gonna say it's being marketed like Rihanna's being marketed as a normal human being. While Beyonce's marketing was always about making her a mogul and making her bigger than the genre. That's it.

[Damaris]

Yeah. And I feel like now Beyonce knows that and she sees that's Like, I can't. I think she can, but I feel like she's so deep in that mysterious upper echelon game, she can't leave. So insert. Okay. The whiskey. Insert. No, now I'm gonna lean into this now because I am upheld. I am going to charge y'all. Y'all are going to get the $90 whiskey, not the $40 whiskey. Are you seeing what I'm saying? Like, I'm not going to create a $40 tequila like everybody else. No. Now I'm going to create a 90 whiskey. And I'm known for being upper echelon, for being not elitist, but having so much class and known for quality. So this is what I'm going to release. Quality things, classy elite. You got to lean into it at this point.

[Julian]

You have to, because you can't try.

[Damaris]

To be somebody that you're not or you haven't been for years.

[Julian]

So outside of me just being confused with her fans and whiskey and how that's going to connect, when was the last time a celebrity successfully really launched an alcohol brand?

[Peach]

The Breaking by Walter White and 818 is how is.

[Julian]

No, I'm really asking. I'm not trying to make a point.

[Peach]

And Kendall Jenner's doing well. We can be honest about that. Cactus Jack shit that shut just dark garbage.

[Julian]

Yeah, that didn't do really well.

[Peach]

Those hermanos is Damn. Why am I blanking on his actual name? Bryan Cranston and the other actor, Aaron.

[Julian]

Paul, they did awesome marketing with this. They would just.

[Peach]

Amazing job marketing.

[Julian]

I don't.

[Peach]

This ever went to Mezcal. You'll. You'll recognize the. The label.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Marketing is everything. Because whatever they were doing with Casamigos, I was on do say heavy, but.

[Julian]

Cosmic wasn't launched as a celebrity alcohol. Like. No, it wasn't. George Clooney on Twitter going like, yo, started the shit. Yeah, drink it.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

LeBron has the Los Lobos, right?

[Julian]

Which I like, by the way.

[Mall]

I never had it.

[Damaris]

I've had it in clubs a couple times. It's not bad.

[Julian]

Yeah, it's really not that bad.

[Mall]

I know I had the low slow.

[Julian]

Well, it's a tough. It's such a tough ludicrous.

[Mall]

Have an alcohol too.

[Julian]

Ludiak.

[Mall]

Luda. Yeah.

[Damaris]

No lying. It was called Lute.

[Julian]

No, but that's what we used to call it, man.

[Mall]

What is the name of it? No, it's not called Ludy.

[Julian]

I'm saying that's what it was in the streets. That's what we called it when I.

[Mall]

Was in the streets. I pay taxes when I was on the block. Ludicrous alcohol.

[Peach]

He had a conjure cognac, but it.

[Julian]

Was called even, I think said it in a song. Ludiak.

[Peach]

Yeah, I remember.

[Julian]

It was a thing no one referred to it as.

[Mall]

And that was. And it was a whiskey.

[Julian]

No, it was a cognac.

[Mall]

It was. Oh, it was a cognac. Yeah.

[Peach]

The Rock has one. Doesn't Kevin Hart, too? Yeah. Tara Mona is the Rock's tequila.

[Julian]

See, I did not even know that. And I know that it does. I know that's tequila.

[Peach]

It's big Pause.

[Mall]

It gotta be. There has to be something behind this man getting into the wine and spirits thing. It has to be. There's no way all of these celebrities. Well, a lot of it is.

[Peach]

I mean, it's. You're just white listing products. It's the same thing with these makeup companies. Like, a lot of them have the same manufacturers in. In Asia and in China. And all the celebrity does is put their name behind it. So it's just whitelisted products. Then they go out to people.

[Mall]

Yeah, but this Sir Davis Beyonce sounds.

[Damaris]

Like that was created. That was created.

[Mall]

This is not white list. This is not something that was sitting in barrels somewhere like this Sounds like. I mean, she could be giving us this whole story.

[Peach]

I'm sure it's from a distillery. Like, they didn't. Oh, no, for sure.

[Julian]

They were one of my. When I was at Havas, they were one of my clients that I worked on every day. Ardbeg.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Which is a whiskey scotch, I think was the oldest whiskey scotch period. So if she's working with them, like it existed. Yeah, she probably just made her version.

[Damaris]

No. Well, for what I'm reading on food and wine, what they were saying on food and wine is that lv. She partnered with lvmh. LVMH went and found her a distiller. The distillers went and created something completely different.

[Julian]

LVMH was our client at Havas.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

ARDBEG is under LVMH and is their whiskey scotch.

[Mall]

And it didn't hove. Just suit him.

[Julian]

I think so Gangster.

[Peach]

I know Matthew McConaughey was involved.

[Mall]

Just suitable. And my wife is dropping the new.

[Damaris]

Oh, no, she didn't.

[Mall]

It wasn't gangster. She's not working with.

[Julian]

Yo.

[Mall]

You can take the out of Marcy, but you can't.

[Julian]

Suing your wife's partners is hilarious. Babe, you're gonna come to the launch party?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Julian]

I mean, I guess.

[Mall]

I guess I Just sued them for a bag, but whatever.

[Julian]

No, we're in litigation. I don't think I'm allowed to be 500ft.

[Mall]

Yo, that's funny, man.

[Damaris]

What I was correcting you on is. You seen Ardbeg? Because the doc. I mean, the Dr. Bill Lumsden, who she has working with her to create the taste and all of that to create the whiskey. He used to work for our bag. She did not partner with our bag, but he used to work with our picks. What.

[Peach]

What about Virginia Black? That's another whiskey. The one that Drake already.

[Mall]

I never. I never, never had it. But I'm not a. You know, I'm not a drink. Like, I drink wine. That's it.

[Peach]

But that launched in 2016.

[Julian]

I didn't connect because I don't think Drake cared. Like, when you do the celebrity liquor thing, if that celebrity is not pumping it the way that Puff did with Ciroc or Jay did with Armandale and Doucet, where it's, like, in every verse.

[Mall]

But that was a collab.

[Julian]

It's your lifestyle that's different.

[Mall]

He collabed. Drake collabed with another person on this. Oh.

[Julian]

And then the contract just ran out.

[Mall]

I don't know if it did, but it wasn't like. It was just his thing. It was Brent cocking. Yeah. So that's different. He partnered with somebody, probably made a little bag off of it, like, you know, but it's still there. I don't think it was passion. It was, like, something that he came up with and somebody that he was cool with gave him the idea. He was like, yeah, fuck it, let's do it.

[Julian]

Because the only thing I can even think of is this. Virginia's done me, and already I'm blem. For real. That's the only time I think I.

[Peach]

Ever heard in 2016, too, when that came out.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I had no idea that Drake even partnered with a liquor brand until y'all said that.

[Julian]

I had it.

[Peach]

Really.

[Julian]

It wasn't bad. It didn't, like, blow my mind.

[Mall]

You like whiskey?

[Julian]

Yeah, I don't mind it. Well, it's not my go to.

[Peach]

But not a big whiskey.

[Damaris]

If you do like whiskey, this is an American whiskey. But because Beyonce is a fan of Japanese whiskey, they tend they leaned a little bit more into the scotch in the Japanese whiskey so it doesn't taste like this straight American rye. It's a little bit more of a balance. Go try it.

[Peach]

Or you could just get Hibiki. It's been doing very well for a bunch of years. Shit is.

[Mall]

That's. That's when I was drinking. That was my shit. Yeah, that Hibiki.

[Peach]

Yeah. You want to get top shelf whiskey, but.

[Julian]

Well, either way, congrats to Beyonce.

[Damaris]

That shit that you do is so corny, Julian. Like, that is so corny.

[Mall]

Hibiki.

[Peach]

Some of the best whiskey it is.

[Damaris]

But you don't have to, like, shit on other people.

[Peach]

I'm saying if they're mimicking Japanese whiske, you can just get the Japanese whiskey.

[Julian]

Are they mimicking Japanese whiskey?

[Peach]

That's what she just said.

[Damaris]

That's not. I didn't say that they were mimicking it. That's not what I said. I said that they wanted the flavor profile to be closer to it. So it does have the taste profile of a Japanese whiskey because of the things that it's made with. A lot of the same things that that's made with. It just also has American rye in it.

[Mall]

4.

[Damaris]

Just don't allude to it being. To it not being top shelf whiskey when you haven't tried it ate you.

[Mall]

Right.

[Julian]

You know, it'll be hilarious.

[Peach]

That was what.

[Julian]

It's never not funny. You know, it'd be funny marketing for Beyonce to do if she took this whiskey to Shark Tank.

[Mall]

Are we telling Beyonce how to do more business?

[Julian]

No, it's just as a fan, what I would love to see because I love the show Shark Tank. And they have brought wines up there. They brought beverages. If Beyonce went and tried to pitch her whiskey to Mark and Mr. Fantastic.

[Peach]

Mr. Fantastic.

[Damaris]

Yo. Just picking a different.

[Julian]

That guy. So much.

[Peach]

Kevin O'Leary. Speaking of products, did you guys see Sexy Red is putting out a lip gloss? It tastes like her asshole.

[Julian]

No, but that's hilarious.

[Peach]

Here's the. These are the.

[Julian]

That's lifestyle marketing.

[Peach]

This is brilliant.

[Julian]

That's it right there.

[Mall]

Yeah. Yellow discharge. Can't wait to get a bottle of.

[Peach]

That Booty hole Brown. Come on.

[Mall]

Gonorrhea. Blue balls.

[Peach]

Nut. Just nut.

[Mall]

Sex with my.

[Damaris]

You know what's crazy? I haven't even seen the color.

[Julian]

Style marketing.

[Damaris]

I haven't even seen the colors, and I know that nut is going to be this color, and I want it.

[Mall]

And you know what's really gangster about this picture she posted. No. No manicure.

[Damaris]

Nope.

[Peach]

That's how you sex on my period.

[Mall]

She live her rhymes.

[Peach]

Look at the name.

[Julian]

Can't read any of the font. Like, just. Here you go.

[Mall]

See Juice. Which one you getting, baby D? Because I know you get one of these.

[Peach]

Gonorrhea.

[Mall]

Gonorrhea is crazy.

[Damaris]

Probably no, y'all are like, if y'all are joke, like y'all are joking. I'm not buying this because I think that this is crass, personally, but I think nut is gonna be the best color because I love nut colored lip glosses. I have one on right now, so.

[Peach]

All right, here's.

[Mall]

Wait, wait, wait.

[Damaris]

I love nut colors.

[Mall]

Julian, slow down. I don't know where you about to go, but we gotta. We. We found something right here. Hold on. You just said what?

[Damaris]

I love nut colored lip glosses and nut colored lips.

[Mall]

What do you mean you love nut colored lip gloss?

[Damaris]

So it's almost like a milky white. It's like a milky translucent white.

[Peach]

Oh, that was Diddy's thing too.

[Mall]

But why do you love that?

[Damaris]

Because it looks nice on your lips. Like, that color looks nice on your lips. But the best way to describe it is nut like I've gone to the. The nail salon and be like, I need nut white. And she knows exactly what I'm talking about. It's not white.

[Mall]

Why that?

[Damaris]

Yeah, girls say that. Mad girls say that nut white on the nails. Go. If you go on Twitter and search nut white nails, you will see they will all be the same color because women know what we're talking about outside.

[Mall]

Again, that's what they. The girls.

[Julian]

I go to the nail spot. I've never seen a woman tell that Asian lady, yo, put some nut on this.

[Mall]

Nut white, not white. So off white is not a thing no more.

[Damaris]

It's nut white because it's not off white. It's like a translucent white.

[Mall]

Oh, okay. Got you. Okay. Well, I mean, you know, hopefully Baby D, you'll enjoy the nut colored sexy red lip gloss.

[Peach]

I like this.

[Julian]

I'll take it back. I don't want to see Beyonce on Shark Tank with her product. I want to see Sexy Red. Pitch nut to the red.

[Mall]

Let Sexy Red sell that. Let her get that off on Shark Tank.

[Damaris]

I just, I.

[Julian]

CIA agent.

[Damaris]

It's just crass. It's so crass and just classless. And it's like, I'm cool with ratchet shit. I'm no behavioral politics for me. I like Sexyy Red bending over, showing her ass crack. I don't care about any of that, but I feel like the names that are lip glosses is just too far and it's just kind of like it's unnecessary. She could sell anything she wanted to.

[Mall]

How old is Sexy Red?

[Peach]

She got to be like, she like 22, 23. No, she's young.

[Julian]

Really?

[Damaris]

No, she's like my best 26.

[Peach]

She's young.

[Mall]

Her rebrand. When she turned 30, she going, you keep saying that.

[Damaris]

Rebrand. It's not going to happen.

[Mall]

It's going to happen.

[Julian]

She'll have the shortcut.

[Mall]

It happened with Cardi. Of course it's going to happen.

[Damaris]

Cardi B. Was never as crass as Sexy Red. No one has ever been as crass as Sexy Red.

[Mall]

I don't know about that.

[Damaris]

Cardi B. Was never. She was not. No. Sexy is a different level. Cardi was ghetto. Cardi was always ghetto in hood, but she was. And she's still ghetto.

[Mall]

But do you agree that Cardi had a rebrand?

[Damaris]

Yeah, of course.

[Mall]

So sexy.

[Damaris]

I don't think it's a rebrand. I think Cardi just grew up because Cardi is still ghetto and hood.

[Mall]

Well, Sexy Red, she's gonna have that moment, and I think her. Her look at coming out of that, I think is going to change her entire. I mean, she's already doing well. She's business is booming. She's selling lifestyle. She's leaning into this character and this person that she's created. But I think once she gets older, she's 26, 30, 31 when she gets there, kids get a little older. I think, like, once she changes her image, because I think Sexyy Red is a really pretty girl. I think she's pretty good. I agree. I've always said that once she changes her aesthetic and her look and kind of like, you know, puts more class into it, I think she's gonna reach another level.

[Peach]

Yellow discharge.

[Damaris]

I think if Sexyy Red became classy, no one would care about her. Because the reason why she gets the attention she does is no, her audience.

[Mall]

Is gonna grow up with her. The girls that like that now, they're gonna be 31, 32 someday.

[Damaris]

A girl that puts booty hole brown on her lips, I guarantee you she's never. No, no.

[Mall]

What do you mean? You still put nut white on your nails.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but we describe it as nut white. We describe it as nut white. We're not going and dying.

[Mall]

Yeah, it's the same shit.

[Damaris]

It's not the.

[Mall]

I'm telling her she's gonna grow up. Her audience is gonna grow up with her. I liked a certain type of music when I was 26. I would never listen to that shit at 42 that I used to listen to at 26. You grow, you get older, you go into. You start traveling, going different places. Your lifestyle changes. When Sexyy Red hits that moment, I think she's gonna as big as she is now. I think she's gonna be even bigger once that transition happens for her.

[Julian]

Five plus three, it don't work like.

[Mall]

You it up anything that equals 8.

[Peach]

Once she becomes Rhapsody.

[Mall]

No, I don't think she's gonna go there. She's not gonna go there.

[Julian]

To the marriage's point, though. Like what. What does the mature Sexy Red like? What does that look like? Because I'm kind of with what she's saying. Are people gonna care if she's not being.

[Mall]

It's the same.

[Julian]

It's the same character, I guess.

[Mall]

Cardi, though, it's not. It's the same.

[Damaris]

It's not.

[Mall]

I'm just talking about aesthetically not the music. The music doesn't have to change that. It's gonna change. She's gonna start talking about real shit, real life things and things like that.

[Julian]

Cardi just said I suck dick from scratch. Well, two weeks ago.

[Mall]

She's gonna always suck dick. She's a woman. She likes men.

[Damaris]

Cardi has. You keep saying that. Cardi, Cardi. The only thing that has changed about Cardi is the way that she dresses and obviously her looks because of the, you know, the surgery. She's gotten. She's gotten older, but so her aesthetic has changed her. The way she dresses has changed.

[Mall]

Her aesthetic has changed.

[Damaris]

Okay. Yes.

[Mall]

That's all I'm saying about Sexyy Red. How you not catching that?

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mall]

Once she stops like that, that she's wearing and changes her aesthetic, she's going to reach another level.

[Julian]

Has Cardi changed her?

[Peach]

This is maturity.

[Mall]

No, I mean, but that's still. That's not immature.

[Julian]

There's nothing wrong with that.

[Mall]

Cardi's still going to show you her shape and show you that she look good. She's never going to go away from. But I'm saying Cardi has changed her look a lot from when she first came out until now. Absolutely. She's changed her look.

[Damaris]

She has. But I just don't see Sexyy Red doing that because then she would lose her core audience.

[Mall]

No, she won't. They grow with you.

[Damaris]

The core audience is not gonna say that. Ghetto. Ghetto bitches. That was ghetto at 18. They still be ghetto at 22. They still be getting ghetto at 30. They still be ghetto at 40.

[Mall]

Of course they do. But they also still grow and change in a lot of different ways, too. They still gonna remind you that they ghetto. They don't want to always be ghetto. Walk around being ghetto. But if they need to dig in that ghetto bag, it's still available. That's what Cardi does. She'll still dig in that bag and go online and go crazy, and she don't do it as much and as often as she used to.

[Damaris]

But that's because she's a celebrity. That's why not Sexy Red. Okay, but we're not talking about Sexy Red. We're talking about her fans. That's what I'm talking about. I'm not. I'm not saying Sexy Red won't they.

[Mall]

Have the same fans? What are you talking about?

[Peach]

I think they have a very similar fan.

[Mall]

They have the same fan base.

[Julian]

No, I think Sexy Reds are much younger. There's definitely crazy.

[Mall]

What the are y'all talking about?

[Julian]

I think girls that's gonna go to.

[Mall]

A Cardi show is the same girls that's most likely gonna be at a.

[Julian]

Sexy ratio and definitely crossover there.

[Damaris]

You know, don't get me wrong. Crossover. But there a. There's a. First of all, like, I've told y'all a million times that Sexy Red also appeals to more men than Cardi B ever did. I keep telling y'all that. Y'all laugh at me. Then every five seconds, it's a video of a singing a Sexy Red song going viral. She appeals to more men than Cardi ever did.

[Julian]

Everything.

[Damaris]

She also appears to younger. To a younger audience than Cardi ever did. She also appeals to a way ghettoer audience than Cardi ever did.

[Peach]

How.

[Mall]

How are you coming up with this.

[Damaris]

If you don't know the difference between Bodak yellow and my pink, My booty hole brown? Where the. I'm looking for the hoes. Quit playing. Come suck a toes. Pound Town just left. Pound Town. You all of hit the dangly thing.

[Mall]

In the back of my throat that got. That's the same.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mall]

It's the same. What are you talking about?

[Damaris]

Okay, we can agree to disagree.

[Julian]

What. What artists did you grow with? Like, you saw their content change the. You grew up with the way that these young fans will grow with Sexyy Red eventually to change, man.

[Peach]

Imagine that being as far as rap grow with.

[Julian]

Yeah, it doesn't have to be a female rapper, but what artists did you see that you, like, grew with them?

[Mall]

Big Daddy is crazy.

[Julian]

Listen, man, Thug Holiday to me is a gospel.

[Peach]

Did you grow. I'm assuming that's Lloyd Banks.

[Damaris]

Roy, you grew with Jay. No.

[Mall]

Yeah, well, Jay was always older than me.

[Peach]

But you grew up with Jay. That's different.

[Mall]

But he's older. That's not.

[Damaris]

But your music. You grew as Jay's music. Gre, you haven't hit 444 yet.

[Mall]

The thing about Jay, that's different still in blueprint three. The thing about Jay, that's different technology he. Jay uses. Jay uses his music to talk about his lifestyle and his growth, and hopefully his audience attaches to that and they grow as well. Which is why his 444 album, he was saying things on there that people was like, damn, one day you gonna have to grow up. You're gonna have to do shit, move like this to. It's like, that's what Jay does when he gives you music now. He's speaking directly from his experience, his growth, the things that he's into, the things that he's learning. But not every artist has that ability. And that's, I think, what Jay's magic is. People look forward to learning about what's the new thing or what's like, what are the like. Now. Niggas want to know your joke. Why are you getting up every morning walking with these billionaires? What the fuck? Y'all just walking around your neighborhood doing, like, that's, like, a thing now.

[Damaris]

They know what he doing.

[Julian]

He's walking.

[Damaris]

He old. He need to move his.

[Mall]

No, no, no, no. Them, though. If you think them is just walking, you got life up. Obviously, you don't have four billionaires just walking in the morning to think that them is just exercising.

[Julian]

You don't think him and Jack were fishing on that boat?

[Damaris]

No, obviously they're talking and having conversations, but they're like, that's what older people do. Yes. He's walking with billionaires because those are the people who live in his neighborhood.

[Julian]

So.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's who he's walking with in his walking club. Yeah, but they have similar interests and things.

[Mall]

I'm. I'm just talking about the growth. And he's like the person that you look to, like, okay, when I'm 52, 53, that's what I have to look forward to doing, like, getting up and walking with my neighbors around the neighborhood. You gotta remember, this is a dude from Brooklyn that sold crack in the projects. Like, we've seen his story unfold to where he is now. In our culture, we've never seen nothing like that. Not from selling crack in the projects to that. We've never seen that before. So the difference, the J is the one that people look at and say, that's a cool way to grow old. Like, if you. Because we all want to grow old. Growing old is the coolest shit in the world. Nobody wants to fucking die young. That's a waste of life, waste of talent. Growing old, but still being cool is the goal, at least to myself. Let me speak for myself. I don't know about others, but I want to grow old. But I also want to still be cool. I don't want to be wearing sandals with. With linen shorts at the cookout. I don't want to be doing that.

[Damaris]

I've seen Jay and sandals and linen shorts.

[Julian]

Like how you the king of New York with Sean Clutters on on the beach reference that y'all don't even on the beach. Never mind.

[Mall]

You want to wear Tim's on the beach.

[Julian]

You don't remember when can one on Hot 97 and screaming.

[Mall]

I never understood that then I'm like, he's on a beach. He's insane.

[Julian]

He's with his wife.

[Mall]

He's insane.

[Julian]

What you wear to the beach.

[Mall]

What you wouldn't wear some air ones on the beach.

[Julian]

Hov is older than you. I guess I've really meant. Meant someone that was closer to your age. Like I can say Kendrick and Cole. I've grown with. Like I was 20 when they came out, 19 when they came out. And like, I've hit the same life pillars the same way they did. Like, we grew together in the music. I can hear it too.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Julian]

From some of the. More the party to more of the introspective. Yeah. Understanding yourself and realizing what the am I. What have I been doing for the last 10 years type of thing. Do you have artists like that? I felt that way about Drake for a long time. I think his content shifted a bit and he's actually regressed in that. But who cares? That's his journey. Do you have that with your age group of an artist that you really sat with?

[Mall]

It's. It's always a little older. But I think that that's. That's dope too, because for me personally, I always hung out with people that were a little older than me. I never really hung out with too many people that were my age or too many people that was that much younger than me. It was always a lot of older. I was always around a lot of older cats.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mall]

But I had obviously my friends that were closer to my age. But I always made sure I kept some older people around me. I always had conversations with older people because again, that's. They saw what we haven't seen yet. They've experienced these things. They know what's happening. They know exactly where I'm at right now, what I'm going through, the thoughts I'm having the emotions, the battles, mentally, but they also can tell you, okay, yeah, I had that. This is how you maneuver around that. This is how you get over that. You know, would it find the thing that you passionate about? Don't worry about what other people think. Don't worry about what other people got going on. Focus on. You need those conversations. And I think for me, Jay is probably the only rapper that I remember listening to when I was very young in high school, that I probably still listen to now and really pay attention to exactly what he's saying. Because, again, we're watching it unfold. We're watching him reach these heights and these pinnacles in personal life and business, musically getting all these accolades. It's like we saw it throughout the 25 years, 30 years. So, I mean, for me, that's the only one that I look at and I pay close attention to other rappers I listen to, but I'm not looking for those things.

[Julian]

I feel blessed for my age because your generation, unfortunately, wasn't, like, super cool to talk about your feelings. I kind of love that I got the generation, I. E. Cole, Kendrick, that world of being vulnerable in your music and being that being okay. And then all my favorite rappers that were older, I. E. Nas, and Jay, when I started to get older, they finally were like, you know what? I'm gonna talk about every shitty thing I've done in my family's life at the Basquiat show. Like, I think it's cool. I got the perfect time to go from my 20s to my 30s because the rappers my age were talking about the shit that I was going through and then. And the guys that were 10 years older that I loved as a kid are now like, all right, here's Life is good. Here's 4,44. Like, that shit became really cool to do when I was going from 29 to 30. Like, I think being born in 1990 to me has been the coolest thing when it comes to music. I'm so happy that I was in this generation.

[Peach]

The way in which Pixar targeted us, like, when we were kids, like, our. Our age group, that's how I felt. With the way those movies would carry through my life, that's how I felt closely with more so like, directly to my age, like, a year or two older than I was. Mac Miller was like, it could not have lined up better. In terms of when. Best day ever, kids. Best day ever. Like, watching movies. Good. Am like, all of those were dropping at such, like, specific parts of my life. And I feel like, he was obviously living a very different lifestyle, but the experiences were mirroring each other throughout that whole journey and obviously where it ended, I think he was heading in that.

[Julian]

That.

[Peach]

To that 444 era. At 26, he was already in that, like, introspective, therapeutic phase in his career and his journey. And that music was so much deeper. If you listen back to what Kids was, I mean, it's like light years difference. And if you really look at it down in such a short amount of time.

[Julian]

Yeah. Because kids was, what, 2009, 08 or 08. And at that point, too, I didn't have much life experience. I just loved Love Lord Finesse samples. So, like, no, like, 2010, Mac is actually a great example, even though, I mean, I don't have the same connection Julian does with Mac. But I can appreciate this same thing. When I was 18, I just like Lord Finesse.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And here was a kid rapping on that, and then you saw his career. Once you get to the divine feminine. I was 26. Like, life was starting to change a bit. Yeah, that is a good point. Mac is someone that mirrored me being 34 in the exact trajectory of where I would have taken things with music, too. I'm gonna rap over old shit I love. And then. All right, now it's Life Experience.

[Peach]

Kids is about him literally graduating high school. Like, there's a line. And he was like, oh, yeah, like, I graduated high school. Like, I graduated, like, that summer. It could not have been, like, a direct. A more direct mirroring of what was going on in my life.

[Damaris]

I never had that with an artist. Growing up, I always listened to artists who were way older than me, and I couldn't really relate to the things that they were going through. I go back now and re. Listen and shit is amazing. Like, I go back now to Janet and listen to some of the things that I was listening to and bopping to when I was 7 years old, 8 years old. My favorite song when I was 10. And I'm like, I'm going through this. It feels like completely. It's like I'm hearing the song again for the first time emotionally. Growth as far as my. As far as the past 10 years, emotionally, I would say Kehlani's music probably. I saw us grow a lot emotionally together. From you should be here to Blue Water Road. We don't really count Crash, but you should be here to Blue Water Road. Like, I it that emotional growth, even with the spirituality thing. And then, yeah, yeah, Kehlani, I could.

[Julian]

Definitely See, being one of those.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Because she was like, what, 17 when you should be here? Came out 18.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Somewhere around there.

[Julian]

She was super young and super introspective at that time, but from a teenager's point of view.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Yeah. Her music has definitely been.

[Damaris]

No, she was. She had to be older.

[Julian]

She probably was a road map of your 20s. I feel that way about Blonde as well. I think Blonde is the perfect. The perfect album for somebody from 20 to 29. I think it really defines what your 20s are. I think SZA did a great job with control that way. Yeah. This is one of those artists where it's like, if you're her age, when that was happening, you connected to it on a whole different level because you were. Were going through those exact same things.

[Damaris]

Adele as well.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Because, you know, Adele named all her albums after her ages.

[Peach]

That's. Yeah.

[Damaris]

And.

[Julian]

Yeah, but I mean.

[Damaris]

But she was a little bit more mature.

[Julian]

I was about to say Adele was so much more mature at 21 than I ever.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Julian]

I appreciate 21 more now that I'm 34.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

What I would have when I was 21, Yada was way ahead of her time.

[Peach]

Way more mature of saying, like, there wasn't an artist his age was always someone a little older. When Kanye first came out, because the theme of his thing was, like, school. Even though he was significantly older than I was at the time, I still could see the trio of those albums. From graduation to late registration to. I mean, sorry, from college dropout to late registration to graduation. I could see what my life would look like in the lens of the schooling and the skits and all those things. So that was always someone that. And that carried through. Talk about experimenting. Obviously, we know what he did with. With the albums that followed that, but, I mean, that eventually all went away, unfortunately.

[Mall]

But the one artist that I'm surprised his. His life, his, like, obviously new lifestyle and where he is now didn't translate into his music as great as I thought it would. Because his story, what he's doing now in life is amazing. Is Jeezy, I think, like, he tried it, like, you know, a couple of songs we got, you know, I don't sell birds no more, sell houses and shit like that, like fly shit. We knew Jeezy as a snowman, and now he has a, you know, a big real estate company in Georgia. To me personally, that's fly for him to make that transition, be a great businessman, father now, things like that. To see him in that space in his life is Amazing. But it didn't translate into the music as much as I thought it would.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mall]

You know what I mean? And again, like, that's. But he was one of those ones when he dropped everything he was saying and, you know, the pictures he was painting, the things he was giving us, it resonated with. Like, I said, he's from Atlanta, but everybody, you know, in New York that I knew that was in that lifestyle was like, yo, this is some of the most authentic shit we've ever heard when it comes to this type of lifestyle. But I love where he's at personally now. Like, just seeing Jeezy now, you know, it's just like his growth as a person and, you know, just changing his look. You know, he wearing suits a lot and things like that. And really doing real legit business and prospering in that field is amazing. But it didn't translate into the music because I thought.

[Julian]

I think that's that way too generation thing that we were talking about. Like, Jeezy's from that generation where, yeah, he was doing that in his actual life, but probably in his brain was like, nobody wants to hear that shit. It on music.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Like, they just want to hear TM 101. Like, I'm gonna just do yesteryear raps of. I don't do that anymore, but this is what I used to do. Type. But I think on the. The DJ Drama Jeezy tape that came out at the end of last year. Or was it this year?

[Mall]

That was last year, I think.

[Julian]

I think he. It was definitely more on the mature side of talking about current things. It. I just think it takes people from your generation a little longer to get into that vulnerability bag with their music, even if they're doing it in their own personal lives. They just think nobody wants to hear that shit.

[Mall]

And it's not easy to do, though, of course. I mean, it's not easy to make that, you know, that legit shit sound cool. Like, it's. It's fucked up, but it's not easy to make that legit, you know, lifestyle sound cool.

[Peach]

That's the thing, especially when it comes to the drug is your past. Do you think it's because. Because, like, that's what you're known for. You kind of get pigeonholed as that. Of course, like, I don't want to. I mean, I guess Push is another person that comes to my mind. Like, that lifestyle and that mentality is so beyond where he is as a. As an adult, as a man. But it. I mean, My joke with him is like, you know, how many. How many ways can we flip Coke this album? Like, it's just. It just. It never seems to go away.

[Mall]

Yeah, you definitely can box yourself in. You definitely can fall into a pigeonhole. But again, it takes a certain type of skill and a certain type of charisma to be able to package it up and sell it to your audience and your fan base in a way where it doesn't seem too foreign. It doesn't seem like it's a reach. It's like, okay, this is. This is. This person. We can tell it's authentic and it's real, and this is what this person is into.

[Julian]

I think Push now has a good balance of that, because I do want to hear Coke raps from Push. Like, I'm not the music fan that only wants to hear about vulnerability. Like, sometimes I want fucking drums and talking about Coke.

[Peach]

His last two albums, to me, are perfect.

[Julian]

But if you go, I mean, Push, this catalog is insane. I don't think people give credit to Push's solo catalog in the last, what, seven, eight years? Yeah, but the Clips record that leaked, that never went on streaming about their parents was beautiful.

[Peach]

Oh, the one from the fashion show.

[Julian]

That song is incredible. The vulnerability on that song is insane. So he's one of those artists from your generation that I feel like balances that well.

[Mall]

Yeah, but Push is from that. He's from that.

[Julian]

I mean, he's been vulnerable before. I'm not just saying he's starting to do it now.

[Mall]

Yeah. Like, Push has had. He's been vulnerable and talked about other things outside of the obvious, you know, drug lifestyle and street lifestyle. He's always sprinkled some of that in there. So he never really boxed himself too far into that corner.

[Julian]

It's just with your generation, I think, like, Jadicus Still Feel Me is a perfect example. One of my favorite records ever. Kiss is super vulnerable. But your generation has to be, if they're vulnerable, have to still look cool while they're vulnerable.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Whereas my generation, when we do vulnerability, we're not always looking like the best people.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Julian]

It's more of a freeing experience. Like, Kiss was so cool. And still feel me bearing his heart out. But at one point, you know, he still talking about, yeah, they can't give me the projects. Like. Like, I ain't been robbed yet.

[Mall]

Right.

[Julian]

Like, why. Why was that necessary to. I haven't been robbed yet.

[Mall]

Another person that we spoke to, when we spoke to Styles about his lifestyle and how he changed and he Went from being, you know, the dude that had the yak and the FIFA yak and all of that, like, and now he has juice bars, you know, selling green juices all over the city.

[Julian]

Well, you know what? This goes against my point. Styles has always been super vulnerable. Like gangster and gentlemen. The song not. I mean, from the album.

[Mall]

Right.

[Julian]

Super vulnerable didn't look like.

[Mall]

But even the title gangster and a.

[Julian]

Gentleman didn't look like the greatest person.

[Mall]

Right.

[Julian]

Styles has always been that. That's why Style is my favorite out of the locks. His solo is amazing to me. Even my brother on that album is crazy. So, yeah, I guess that goes against my point. Styles is one of those that. Styles and I don't have the Yonkers thing. Styles and DMX from your generation are the only two. Doesn't. It doesn't matter how we look.

[Mall]

When I give him, he's always vulnerable.

[Julian]

And he didn't care how we made him look.

[Mall]

Yeah, he didn't. He wasn't trying to be cool. He wasn't giving a fuck about. He was giving you real experiences, real emotion, real thoughts, real moments. And he was one of the best to me ever that when it came to giving us that. But Styles, to me, I don't like to say rebrand, but like, what he added to his life and, you know, how he's grown and what he's doing now with business and health and pushing that message into the community, into the culture, you know, it's just dope to see the guys that came up in a certain era and how they started and where they landed now. Like, I think it's. You know, Styles is one of those stories to me, that's above many of the stories that we have in our culture.

[Peach]

Another example from our generation. Real quick. Tara, the creator.

[Mall]

Amazing.

[Peach]

One of the craziest growths sound wise of an artist's discography, for sure.

[Mall]

But Tyler, he's one of the special ones, though.

[Peach]

He's. He's a genius.

[Mall]

Yeah, he's one of the special insane.

[Julian]

Like, somehow even Jay sounded cool during you must love me vulnerable. Yeah. But he. He was still cool.

[Mall]

Yeah, well, that's. That's.

[Julian]

We're fine being lose cool.

[Mall]

Jay is a. He gonna be.

[Julian]

I think that's what it is. Y'all have a better way of being vulnerable and making yourself not look like you took a L. Like, that's a skill.

[Mall]

That definitely takes a certain type of skill to be able to do that.

[Julian]

Yeah. And I just think our generation stopped caring about that. And it's Like, I'm just not a good person sometimes. Yeah, this is who I am. But anyways, Alex Cooper took our money from Sirius.

[Mall]

Alice Cooper jumps from Spotify to Siriusx.

[Julian]

Y'all funny to me.

[Mall]

And $125 million deal. The powerhouse. Call her Daddy Ho strikes a new deal for a black show and unwell podcast lineup.

[Julian]

I'm not hating.

[Peach]

No, no, that was. That's. Hey, that was.

[Mall]

Hey.

[Julian]

No, I'm hating at whoever wrote. I'm hating on James. Whatever. I'm the powerhouse. I mean, it is a powerhouse. Just don't use that word to me.

[Peach]

So you just hate the adjective. It is a powerhouse by definition. This podcast is a. I'm not hating.

[Julian]

This is great for all of us. The podcast boom has been over. I'm so happy a podcast got evaluated at 125 million.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's like, great.

[Julian]

Like when it happened with Rogan back in the day, I was a little like, is that just putting a ceiling and a number on all of us while this podcast boom is about to start? I felt indifferent about it. Now that that boom is over, I am so happy that a podcast is being evaluated at this.

[Peach]

What's interesting with this is it's not exclusive to a Sirius XM like pod, the podcast network, or any of their properties. You can still get it on Spotify, Apple, everywhere.

[Julian]

I mean, but when we were serious similar licensing deal, it was available everywhere. It wasn't.

[Peach]

No, but I'm talking about the money that she's get. Like, what? Joe Rogan is only Spotify.

[Damaris]

So how do you make money from a license? How does the company that is giving you this money make money from?

[Mall]

The new deal gives SiriusXM exclusive advertising and distribution rights for host and executive producer Cooper's flagship podcast, as well as her Unwell brands lineup of shows, which include Hot Mess with Alex Earl, Pretty Lonesome with Madeline Argie, Boyfriend material with Harry Jowsey, and In your dreams with Owen Thiel.

[Damaris]

So she has a couple shows.

[Julian]

That's what it's really being about.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

With the network, I'm like, being brought over there.

[Damaris]

But what was your original question I was asking. I was just wanted you guys to ex. I mean, obviously we know, but I wanted to explain to our listeners, how do. How does the company that's. That's doing this licensing deal with her make money off of it if it's available to everybody?

[Julian]

Well, I don't know if this is a licensing deal, but I can speak to our deal with Sirius, which was a licensing deal. They have exclusive rights to sell ads against our audio content. And our podcast goes to anywhere that you get podcasts. But Sirius is the only people that can sell ads against it. So they make the money based off that you have an exclusive licensing deal for a certain amount of time. They can sell the ads. No one else can, and it's available.

[Mall]

Advertisement. That's it. Solar comes.

[Peach]

I didn't know. I'm reading this in this article. I didn't know Smartless was also poached and brought on board with Sirius. They. They will left Amazon. They had a really nice bag from Amazon and they just left Amazon in January to go to Sirius.

[Julian]

I mean, I see what Serious is doing. After the Stitcher situation, they had to rebuild. So I see what they're doing. Instead of just grabbing one pod, let's get one of the biggest podcasters that has somewhat of a network already and just put all our money into that. Because we know where. Where the podcast genre is currently as far as advertising goes. So this is more of a sure win than trying to figure out. Let's get this pod. Let's get this pod. Let's get this pod.

[Mall]

No. Yeah, let's get.

[Julian]

Call her daddy and everyone under her and let's just. Just put all our eggs into the basket.

[Mall]

So they. They probably gonna just let that run for those three years. They probably won't give any more exclusive deals outside of that. They probably put all the money into that and just let that run for three years. But either way, congratulations to Coop. Alex Cooper. That's her name.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Congratulations to Alex Cooper.

[Damaris]

I feel bad for Sophia, man.

[Mall]

On a major deal.

[Julian]

Why?

[Damaris]

She fumbled that bag.

[Peach]

We fumbled so bad.

[Mall]

Good.

[Damaris]

I can't remember exactly what the story was.

[Julian]

Why are you trying to link?

[Mall]

No, I'm just saying she's rep. She's repped by uta.

[Peach]

It'd be incredible to have her on.

[Mall]

He spoke to Orin in a minute to see what he been doing. All right.

[Julian]

This is why Orin won't answer my question.

[Damaris]

He got bigger fish to fry.

[Mall]

Okay, Orin, I get it. All right. I'll be calling you this weekend. Don't worry.

[Julian]

Orin. How dare you go make money for your company at your job.

[Damaris]

I think you guys might be fun caller daddy guests if you guys were to go on there. I think it would be awesome.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

It would also be great advertising for our podcast.

[Julian]

But what were you guys saying about Sophia initially, though?

[Damaris]

Oh, the bag floor.

[Peach]

She really up?

[Julian]

Is she still with that boyfriend from HBO that like, talked her out of that thing? I have no idea.

[Peach]

I don't. No one knows what she's doing.

[Julian]

I mean, from my understanding, though, she's like a sweet person. I mean, we have a lot of mutual friends that speak very highly of her.

[Damaris]

That's dope.

[Peach]

Great person. You still up your bag?

[Damaris]

Well, I don't want to say she up. I don't know what went on, but.

[Peach]

Yeah, she let him it up the boyfriend.

[Julian]

I outside looking in. I believe that's what actually happened.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Julian]

When Dave was trying to make that work, I actually felt Dave gave a very, very generous offer in that entire thing. I actually think Dave did something most companies would never do. As far as renegotiating, I thought it was super fair. And Alex went and met with him and Sophia didn't because her boyfriend worked at HBO and he said he could do it instead.

[Damaris]

God, please don't never give me no dick that make me up a hundred million dollar bag. I don't want that dick. Keep it away from me. That's devil dick. That dick was sent by Satan.

[Julian]

Listen, people will say what they want about Barstool, and I get it. But being in this podcast genre and shopping around for a long time, Barstool gives very, very fair deals. They're not this, like, shitty bro company that people make them out. Dave does shit that no other businessman would do. That does empower the creatives that are under him. Like, if you go watch his video, when the call her daddy thing was breaking up, I was watching that. Like, you're really gonna do this for them? You're a great fucking guy. I. No one I know would do what he did in that situation. You know, he's just abrasive, and I think that's why people hate him.

[Mall]

But Mr. Portnoy.

[Julian]

Aside from that, though, Mole. Finally my dreams have been answered. I can finally get a rock chain. It's just gonna cost me, like, $10 million. You won't give me one. So I think now I can finally pay $10 million. I can get my. My rock. Shame.

[Mall]

Dame. Dame. Dame. Damn. Dame. Well, first of all, The Dame D1 3rd of Rockefeller Inc. You big.

[Julian]

And he Puffy is.

[Mall]

Is up for auction, I think this coming week.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mall]

So we'll see how that goes. Unfortunately. I mean, to see that it's come to this is disappointing in a lot of ways, personally and just as a fan of culture and the things that Rockefeller gave us and, you know, gave the culture. So to see where it's at now is unfortunate, but life happens. Things happen. So so be it. But it is. It's just a little nasty to be giving away an original Rockefeller chain with the per. With the purchase of to some Rockefeller Inc.

[Julian]

Some oil billionaire from Dubai is gonna have a chaining day with Dame.

[Peach]

Well, let's. Let's let him explain why it makes sense. You know, maybe he has a reason why.

[Julian]

You guys know I like Dame a lot. So I'll hear him out.

[Mall]

If someone's trying to hate on the price or trying to devalue it, it would be because they want to buy it.

[Damaris]

It.

[Mall]

You know, like a first rate of refusal. So if you do want to buy 1/3 of Rockefeller Inc. You are gonna have to bring some bread and anything over 10 million. I'm gonna sweeten the pot. You get an original Rockefeller chain from off my neck. So you know, I say because I was the only one that gave out Rockefeller chains when Rockefeller really existed. If I don't give you the chain, it's not a legit Rockefeller chain. You get one of these. This is legit.

[Julian]

You know, the passive aggressiveness in that entire thing is.

[Mall]

Yeah, again man, it's just something people that were actually trying to work with sat but well, they've been very. It is what it is man.

[Julian]

They've been very unclear in the articles that have been put out about this entire thing. Dame lost his court case with Chris Brown the lawyer is what he's referred to, not Chris Brown the artist. That's how. That's how attached I am to this case. I refer to people as what Dame calls them.

[Peach]

Them.

[Julian]

Yeah, Chris Brown the lawyer. You have to lost the case. Did not have the liquid cash to pay I think the $800,000 or whatever it was. So when that happens, they go after your assets. One third of Rockefeller Inc. Is one of Dame's assets. So from my understanding, and again they have not explained this, his asset was seized and is now being put up by the government. I think he only gets that $800,000 that he owes in that whole thing to clear his debt. I don't know who would get that 10 million if I can't. If I can't.

[Damaris]

No, he gets. He gets his money if it sees.

[Julian]

Though you no longer have that asset that's part of a court case. Like I'm not sure if that's the case here but how that usually works if something is seized your assets and to be put up for auction that now belongs to either the bank, the court, whatever the it is. If I owe money and can't pay it and they start, let's say I bought my car and I don't have the liquid cash to pay my debts, and they seize my car, and my car sells for more than I owe. I don't get that money. I don't get it.

[Mall]

Yeah, but I don't. I don't think that's the case here, because he only owns one third of it. I don't know if they get to seize that one third of what he owns.

[Julian]

Well, they're forcing an auction that he's not holding. It's not. Dame is not holding this auction.

[Mall]

Right.

[Julian]

So that's where. I mean, it could be a case where he does get the difference and they just need the 800, 000. But if that was the case, I feel like Dame would hold the auction because it's his. To me, it was seized. It's not owned by him anymore.

[Mall]

I'm gonna be honest. I haven't talked to Biggs about this. I haven't asked him about it. I try not to even pay attention to this because it's like, it's nasty and it shouldn't. To see it come to this is crazy. But again, life happens, and, you know, it is what it is. But hopefully, whatever comes of this, you know, Dame ends up okay. You know, still got love for him. I wish him the best. But this. To see it go down like this is something that I never thought if, you know what, you know, Dame and. And Biggs and Jay stand on and what they built on. To see it go down like this is something that I, you know, again, I never thought I would see this. So we'll just see what happens. Man, I don't. Again, I don't. I don't. I didn't get no inside talk on it. I haven't had conversations behind closed doors about it.

[Julian]

And again, this is speculation on being a chatty Patty right now, because I.

[Mall]

Don'T have a podcast.

[Julian]

Podcasting is being a chatty Patty. Yeah, but judging off what has been in the press, which, you know, doesn't hold much because it's the press. It's page six. I don't know if he gets that difference. I see that he's doing this video, which would make you think, okay, Dame's trying to pump this as much as possible so he can get the highest bidder. But I. I don't. It's not even your auction.

[Mall]

Right.

[Julian]

You're not the boss of this auction.

[Peach]

And that's my question. If that is true, what Rory's alluding to, then why Even add the caveat. Or like the gifting of a chain. You're not in charge at all. Now. You're just giving away a chain, too, for no reason.

[Mall]

That's what I'm saying. I don't think that's.

[Julian]

I'll put it this way. He deserves, and I hope to God that he does. Get the difference. Pay the debts that you owe as a man. That million dollars that you owe, Pay it. But I hope to God he gets the difference. I just don't know a world when things. When assets are seized, where that happens. Yeah, it's not even your auction.

[Mall]

Well, it's only a few more days until we find out. That's gonna be the. That video you post after that, the.

[Julian]

Auction, did it say where it's at? Or is it, like, on zoom? Like, can we go?

[Peach]

I don't know. The auction is on the 29th, so it is coming up now.

[Mall]

We gotta go to the auctions.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Where is it? It's in Manhattan.

[Peach]

I don't. I don't know.

[Mall]

I think it's in Manhattan.

[Peach]

Most likely.

[Damaris]

Would. Big secret society. All we ask is trust.

[Julian]

Would Biggs float me?

[Mall]

Float you what?

[Julian]

The 10 mil. I don't need the. I don't need the shares. I just want the chain.

[Mall]

Yeah, just the chain.

[Damaris]

The.

[Julian]

I don't need reasonable doubt. I just. I want the chain, that's all.

[Mall]

Yeah, I don't know. But the 29th.

[Peach]

You said 29th.

[Mall]

Well, we'll see what happens next week.

[Julian]

Do you believe that all the other Rockefeller chains that Big Sean Fab. I'm trying to think who else got one those? Those don't count.

[Mall]

When you say not real. It's real gold. It's real diamonds. It's not one of the original. Yeah, rock chains, but yes, it's real, but it's not one of the original.

[Julian]

So you kind of see what Dame is saying?

[Mall]

No, I'm 100. Because Dame's chains says Dame J and Biggs on the back of it.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Mall]

I don't think any of the chains that they gave away says Dane J and Biggs on the back.

[Julian]

You don't think the one that Fab turned into a choker chain has Biggs's name on the back?

[Mall]

I don't think so. I don't think no chains outside of. Of Dames J's and Big say that.

[Julian]

I have scoured Jay Electronica's house trying to find his rock chain so I.

[Mall]

Could steal it, but never found it.

[Julian]

Never found it. Yeah, it's in a Must be in a different safe, because I'm looking everywhere. Like, yo, you don't even wear jewelry. Like, let me get your rock chain.

[Mall]

Not happening.

[Julian]

What if I found JLX chain and it said mole on the back?

[Mall]

Definitely don't say that ain't real if my name is on the back of it. You might as well put it back where you found it.

[Peach]

You have one?

[Mall]

No.

[Julian]

I mean, Guru has one. I mean, I think it's pretty authentic. No, no.

[Mall]

For sure. Absolutely. That's what I'm saying. I don't know if Guru says Dame Jane Biggs on the back, though. Yeah.

[Julian]

I've never.

[Mall]

I'm not sure.

[Julian]

I'm just not as much as a nerd. I am. I would never, like, touch someone else's jewelry.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And be like, yo, can I see the back of your chain? Goo.

[Mall]

No. That's disgusting.

[Peach]

Is the.

[Julian]

Why is. Why is that weird to call him that?

[Damaris]

I hate when he's nasty.

[Peach]

A grown man.

[Mall]

Yo, what's up, Goo?

[Damaris]

His name is Guru, sure enough. You do not need to shorten it to Goo.

[Mall]

I promise you. You don't have nothing to do with. You got to get there faster if you don't say the rule.

[Julian]

All right, so you're Jamil now. You're Jamil now. I'll never shorten it.

[Mall]

But that's not different. It's definitely not the same.

[Julian]

It's not the same Jamil Mall Guru. Goo.

[Damaris]

No, because Guru is not Guru's actual name. If you were shortening his actual name, that would make sense, but you're shortening his already shortened nickname.

[Julian]

But his. No, because that's not true. 12 minus 4 is his real name, ironically.

[Mall]

What?

[Julian]

No, it's a different name. It's not like Guru is short for his real name. That's a whole different name.

[Peach]

I'm so bad at math.

[Mall]

When you said 12 minus 2, I.

[Peach]

Said 12 minus 2 4.

[Julian]

No, I agree that she's 7 plus 1 me, but.

[Damaris]

Right.

[Julian]

But no, it's a different name. Okay. Guru is not short for his real name.

[Mall]

Just don't call him Guru. Just call him Guru.

[Julian]

No, I think. I think I'm g. Just keep calling him.

[Mall]

Yeah, but like, people, that's.

[Peach]

That's no, Roy, because Not your nickname. Not always. A nickname doesn't always derive from the person's name. That's the point you're trying to make.

[Julian]

I know that's exactly what.

[Peach]

That's not always the case.

[Julian]

Why would I shorten a name? That's a completely different name? It's not a shorten for his real.

[Peach]

Name because that's a lot of people go by nicknames that have nothing to do with their actual name.

[Julian]

I know. So I can't shorten that.

[Peach]

No, but you're getting existing nickname. That's the point.

[Julian]

But it's a whole different name.

[Peach]

But it's okay. All right.

[Julian]

Okay, so when you guys refer to Ghostface Killer, you always say Ghost Face Killer. Or do you say Ghost?

[Damaris]

Ghost Face Killer.

[Julian]

Is that his real fucking name?

[Damaris]

No, it's a new Killer is long as fuck. That's four syllables.

[Julian]

Okay, do we say JayZ two syllables?

[Damaris]

You don't need to bring it to one. Two is fine.

[Julian]

Yes.

[Damaris]

We're shortening Ghost Face Killer to either two syllables.

[Julian]

Do you shorten Jay Z to J?

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Nobody. Nobody.

[Julian]

Same thing.

[Mall]

No, but. Nobody.

[Julian]

Same thing.

[Mall]

Nobody.

[Julian]

Yo, I just. Nine minus one. You just now. And it's not even close.

[Peach]

Goo. It's also just a word. Like it's a weird addressing the word.

[Julian]

Okay, I mean, maybe your logic.

[Peach]

Fine.

[Julian]

I'm not comparing myself to Jay Z, but I mean, Jay calls him goo on records. Why can't I?

[Peach]

Because they've worked together.

[Damaris]

Because you're not Jay.

[Julian]

I've worked with Guru, all right?

[Peach]

They have a different relationship. They have chains together.

[Damaris]

You shouldn't speak about Beyonce. You'll never be Jay. Them your lyrics, right? You wrote that.

[Julian]

What does that have to do with situation?

[Damaris]

Because you said Jay calls him. You're not Jay.

[Peach]

Six plus two.

[Julian]

Six plus two equals goo.

[Peach]

All right. Voicemail, please.

[Julian]

Ten minus two.

[Mall]

Play the voicemail, please. Man, you've got mail.

[Peach]

That was so bad. This is funny. This woman called in because one of our clips. She's been a caller before. We've played her on a couple episodes, but one of her clips got her in trouble with a guy.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Peach]

It's pretty funny how that came about.

[Damaris]

This isn't even a question. I. I just need to report the news. This is Lauren from Cleveland. I've called a few times before. I was talking to this new guy. We were getting all excited, getting to know each other, and we were talking about, like, celebrity interactions on the Internet, and I went to send him the clip of the first time I left a voicemail talking about trying to get back out there after being out of the game for a long time and accidentally sent him the clip of me calling about frequently being the unintentional side chick.

[Peach]

Remember that call before we go on? Do you remember?

[Julian]

Definitely. Remember that? Cold.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

No, remember that's the homie I know. Okay, and how do you accidentally send that?

[Peach]

Well, I would imagine she has some saved. Like, if I hear myself on the part, I would save it, like, to my phone.

[Damaris]

Sent it without listening to it, and.

[Peach]

She'S like, oh, this one. And sent the wrong one.

[Julian]

Bald on lie. Go ahead, Lauren.

[Damaris]

When I realized my mistake, I. Your pants freaked out a bit, and things just spiraled from there. And that dude blocked me on all socials, King, so. Damn. Yay. Yay.

[Peach]

Well, send him this clip. All right.

[Damaris]

Blocking. Blocking a girl because. And I know, but what did she.

[Mall]

What did she say in the. In the clip that she sent?

[Damaris]

She basically was like, why am I always the dedicated side chick? Like, I want to be wifey. Don't respect my. Like, what am I doing wrong?

[Mall]

She sent that to the dude she was seeing.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah.

[Peach]

Instead of the other clip, the one.

[Julian]

Guy that finally took her seriously.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

She sent a clip saying, okay, no one has ever taken me seriously. I've just been community. And whenever they want to hit.

[Peach]

Okay, don't call Lauren community.

[Julian]

She called herself.

[Damaris]

No, she didn't. She said that men don't really take her seriously. You could have. You could date two men, and they not take you seriously. Doesn't mean it's your community. You put that on her.

[Julian]

I'm not. You guys are judging her. I'm not. She has a history of only being a side chick that's never taken serious.

[Damaris]

But that doesn't mean that she's community.

[Julian]

Is she in the community?

[Damaris]

Listen, man, I just try.

[Julian]

I apologize for saying community.

[Damaris]

Thank you, our Patreon listeners, to get there.

[Julian]

I apologize for saying that that was not right.

[Mall]

But you got to stand on business, man. That's the problem.

[Julian]

I'm pussy now.

[Mall]

Too much soy milk.

[Peach]

Rory is a soy boy.

[Damaris]

Rory, do you drink something?

[Julian]

It's oat milk in my coffee now, so don't even do that.

[Damaris]

But do you drink soy milk?

[Julian]

No.

[Damaris]

Oh, okay. No.

[Julian]

Because why you say, like, with a concerning tone?

[Damaris]

Because maybe that's why that man hit on you. I didn't know.

[Julian]

That's because I had soy milk in my house. I was walking on a hot August day with. With soy milk.

[Peach]

Oh, man.

[Mall]

Hit on you. Cause you put soy milk.

[Peach]

Is that soy in your cup?

[Mall]

So my Starbucks, he said, oh, he putting soy milk in that. I'm out the bag.

[Julian]

First of all, I do not. I do not support that Jewish bank.

[Mall]

That's funny. Jewish bank.

[Peach]

I mean, Starbucks does print money, Mario.

[Mall]

That's Seattle.

[Julian]

We went into 11 minus 3, fam.

[Mall]

I'm doing a documentary on that data. First Starbucks in Seattle. He said, in the pandemic year, they made $38 million. It's nothing in there. I said in here.

[Peach]

Standing room only, just boxes piled to the ceiling.

[Mall]

From $38 million.

[Peach]

They made ceiling products, bro. They don't even take the time.

[Mall]

I know a dope spot when I see a dope spot, bro. They selling. They selling that doogie in there. My. They slang it doogie out of that First Starbucks in Seattle. I'm telling you, man, ain't no way they made 30 million in that hole in the wall.

[Julian]

All right, well, they're a bank.

[Peach]

Back. Back to Lauren before we do the cons.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Peach]

Sorry. Should this. It's over with this guy, right? We should just. Just what, say, moving forward? Know what you're sending to people?

[Damaris]

No, he wasn't built. Anyway. If a guy blocks you, he. First of all, if a guy blocks you, period.

[Mall]

Oh, my God.

[Peach]

You know how I feel about that.

[Mall]

Speaking of this happening, who blocked you? No, my homeboy. He did some, like, this one night to. To this dude. I can't say the dude's name because he's pretty known, but he was a dude that we used to see, like, interviews and videos and like that.

[Damaris]

Like.

[Mall]

Oh, like, he cool. We was. We thought he was a cool speedy. So my homeboy. My homeboy at the time, he was. He was in Miami.

[Peach]

Throw his name in there.

[Mall]

He bumped into him at a party. So he texted me. He was like, yo, like, I just bumped into. What's the name? Like, you know, we had a conversation. Cool, solid, like, you know what I'm saying? Official. Whatever, whatever. We exchanged numbers. I'm supposed to. He want me to link up after this party, I'm supposed to go to some other party. So I was like, oh, word. Like, he cool like that. I was like, he's like, yeah, like, we just. You know what I'm saying, like, connected in the party. He was like, yo, like, so you got your section. Bunch of girls. I like how you moving. I said, okay, cool. So my homeboy.

[Julian]

Anytime mall does that before a story. I get to the edge of my.

[Mall]

Because it's so embarrassing. And if you know my homeboy, you know, really how embarrassing it was for him, he gets to the party. So he, like, he's telling. He meant to tell. He meant to tell my other homeboy, like, yo, I met him at the party. But, like, yo, like, he owned me a little bit. So it's like. Like, he jacking my style. Like, he. It's like this nigga's annoying. Like, he's. Like, he a cornball. Like this how he sends that message?

[Damaris]

I hope they kicked his ass out the party.

[Julian]

Did he use the name in the text message?

[Mall]

Yes.

[Peach]

Oh, no.

[Mall]

He sent it to him, and he's standing right next to him.

[Peach]

Can you tell us who he just bleeping it?

[Damaris]

You can tell us after.

[Julian]

After. It don't matter.

[Mall]

Yo, when I tell you I almost threw up from laughing so hard.

[Damaris]

You.

[Mall]

You know how crazy that is to be like, yo, this on my dick. Like, he right next to you.

[Damaris]

So wait, what did the dude do?

[Julian]

Lol.

[Mall]

JK N. He looked at it. He said he looked at the phone and then he was like. It was at a party. He was like, after that, there kind of just disappeared, like, in the party.

[Damaris]

Like, he should have punched him dead in his face.

[Mall]

Now he would punch my homeboy. That wasn't gonna happen. He wasn't gonna do that.

[Peach]

This would help if we knew who he was talking about.

[Mall]

He wasn't. He definitely wasn't gonna do that.

[Julian]

All right, what would you guys do in both. Both situations? There the person that received the text or the person that said, imagine you sitting there having a good time, send.

[Mall]

Me a text, and you telling your homeboy, I'm dick riding you, and I just met you.

[Damaris]

I'm slapping you. Yeah, we gotta fight.

[Mall]

We gotta fight.

[Damaris]

Out of pure embarrassed. Out of pure embarrassment construction. Oh, I thought you farted.

[Julian]

Yeah. Apologies for all the construction that people have probably been hearing through this whole episode. But, yeah, I don't know. This is the soy milk in me. If I got that text message with somebody like, I just kind of met, I'd probably just move on with my life. Like, I'm about to fight you.

[Peach]

Yeah, I don't even.

[Julian]

I don't. I don't. To me now you're weird, and we just don't need to speak anymore.

[Damaris]

Accidentally text you that after you said you changed his life. Life. He changed your life. If Nas would accidentally text you that after you say, like, yo, this is.

[Mall]

Rory on my dick, but he actually sent it to you, I would.

[Julian]

One, agree. Two, go. Damn. I have NASA's number.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Mall]

That's crazy. Yeah.

[Peach]

Why he rubbed his seat like that.

[Mall]

That's crazy.

[Julian]

I'm just honored. I'm just honored that you text him.

[Mall]

You can only laugh at that point.

[Peach]

Have you guys ever maybe not a text? I mean, similar thing sent. Like, if someone posts something on their story or Posts like a feed post.

[Damaris]

That's really my biggest fear.

[Peach]

Cringy and embarrassing. Like a friend of mine, a mutual friend of mine is in this like relationship and he's like so gay about it. And he just did like a 5 paragraph post about his girl on like their 2 year anniversary.

[Damaris]

How dare he.

[Peach]

And I send it to my friend. I was like, this is so gay. And while I DM'd it to him, I was like, I always had that thought because it's happened before where you accidentally send it to the person that you're talking about.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Peach]

Has that happened to you guys?

[Damaris]

I've done that texting.

[Mall]

I've never done that.

[Damaris]

I've done a texting. Why? Because sometimes I'm going to like text about somebody and because I'm thinking about their name, I type their name into.

[Mall]

The thing instead of rookie mistake.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah, I know. I haven't done it in a while. You a shit talker.

[Mall]

You move slow in your phone. You go to exactly who you trying to talk to.

[Julian]

Yeah, one of my homegirls. When did IG start the video DM? Like 2016.

[Damaris]

Around that time. Yeah.

[Julian]

So my homegirl was clearly DMing a guy that she was talking to, laying on her bed completely shirtless, like titties, titties. Taking up the whole camera and sending an intimate message to I assume the guy she was talking to. Yeah, she posted that shit on her story. So I was working at Havaz at my desk, scrolling through shit. I called her immediately was like, yo, you know you just posted your titties talking to a man. Like that's on your story. Close friends didn't exist. It was just a, the video DM shit. It was like a 30 second like titties just tittying. I was like, yo, delete that exclusive that didn't go to the guy you thought it went to.

[Damaris]

I did that on Snapchat before. I was naked running around my house in a Batman cape. And I actually, I meant to, I swear to God, I meant to send it to my little sister.

[Mall]

I was doing what?

[Damaris]

I was in my house naked and it wasn't sexy because I wasn't trying to be sexy. I was being annoying.

[Julian]

How do you be sexy with a Batman?

[Damaris]

To my little sister. So I had like a Batman cape on, but I didn't have any. I just didn't have to have any clothes on because I was in the middle of changing clothes. But I found one of our old Batman capes from Six Flags in my closet while I was Changing clothes. I put it on and sent her the picture. Thought I sent her a picture. I posted this shit on Snapchat, bro.

[Mall]

Wait, you sent. You were butt naked with a cape on?

[Damaris]

With a Batman cape.

[Mall]

You send your sister naked pixies?

[Damaris]

I wasn't trying to be sexy. I was just.

[Mall]

No, it ain't about being sexy. You just. You was naked with a cape on?

[Damaris]

Yeah, I was naked. My little sister sees me naked all the time. We face.

[Peach]

We're.

[Damaris]

This is my sister.

[Julian]

I'm only child.

[Mall]

I've never seen Biggs naked.

[Julian]

All right, what about Hop?

[Mall]

And we live together.

[Damaris]

He said, what about Hop?

[Mall]

Never seen none of my brothers date.

[Damaris]

Y'all are boys. It's different.

[Mall]

Yo, if Biggs was to send me a video with him in the cape.

[Julian]

But naked, I think there's a difference between men and women.

[Mall]

I'm calling the authorities just to lock that up, man. Just. Rock chain, lock him up. Lock this. I'm walking the cops to his door. Lock him up now. Because if he's sitting at the me, ain't no telling who else.

[Julian]

I'm crying at. Big send you a video in a rock chain running around his house. Like, yo, look what I found. This is the one that says Bigs behind it.

[Mall]

Like, I get that's your sister, but it's like, naked. Naked with a cape on. Like, it's just.

[Damaris]

I don't know. I can also come from a naked household. My mother was always naked in my house. Like, my mother is still always naked in her house. But she was always just like, I'm not putting clothes on for y'all. I'll pay the bills here.

[Mall]

I remember one time we went to my homeboy crib, and his mom's answered the door. Winnie the Pooh. Oh, yo, that was so tight.

[Julian]

Yeah, it's rough.

[Mall]

All his mom's channel was a T shirt. Yo, he was sick.

[Damaris]

She is thick.

[Mall]

Thick as a mother. He has cornbread and peanut butter.

[Damaris]

What?

[Mall]

But she didn't know. But to her. To her advantage, she didn't know he would. Like, he had friends with him.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, she ain't know it was too.

[Damaris]

She thought it was just him.

[Mall]

He thought it was just him coming in the house. But she opened the door, she's like, oh, my God. I'm like, it's all right. It's okay.

[Damaris]

Like, you know, sorry, Miss Loretta. I'm ready for the rest of the tour.

[Julian]

Did anyone hit you back on Snapchat? Like, yeah.

[Damaris]

Oh, no. They I. It like, people start. Started heart eyeing that's how I found out niggas started heart eyeing. I'm like, what the fuck is that heart eyeing? And I was like, they're just Batman fans. I wanted to die. Like, when I tell you I wanted to. Literally went to fanatics crawling a whole.

[Mall]

My sister, my older sister, she uploaded a picture of herself naked on Instagram. And she didn't know. She don't know how to like, Like, I guess, fuck. Like, fuck with Instagram. She didn't know how to delete it. So my niece had to drive to her house, get her phone and delete it. So for like 15 minutes, it was just on the timeline. And my brother caught it. He was like. He had the family chat like, yo, what's what you want right now? Like, why. Why you butt naked on your Instagram? But she didn't even know she had uploaded it. I don't know how you make that mistake. Well, it's too many steps to upload a picture on Instagram.

[Damaris]

Not really. Not really, though, because I damn sure almost posted a story of some shit I had no business posting.

[Mall]

How. How does that. You literally have to go to the story. Go to what you want to post.

[Damaris]

Because if you were on. So, for example, I've had my phone in my hand and, like, just been walking and pressing and not paying attention. Like, if your phone's unlocked, my fingers are just pressing while my phone's in the hand.

[Mall]

You know how that's just.

[Julian]

That's how a video of being naked with a Batman cape just.

[Damaris]

No, that's not how that happens, smart ass.

[Mall]

I told you, butt naked with the cape.

[Damaris]

I just sent that to the wrong person. Well, I thought I sent it to somebody.

[Julian]

You sent it to the world.

[Damaris]

I sent it to the world. Yeah.

[Julian]

I think I caught that at like six minutes. It was up, up.

[Damaris]

Oh, like, it was time in Instagram.

[Julian]

It wasn't like, I caught it on the now time. No, I did not. Because I immediately went to call her.

[Damaris]

Like, and that was back when. When you ordered. When you.

[Julian]

I can't lie, I did. Like, I sat through like half of the story, but I was like, what the. There's no way. It took me a second to even process what I was looking at and then called her. No, I did not.

[Damaris]

Screenshot back in the day on Instagram. You're an awful person. Back in the day, Instagram, you. Everything was in chronological order. So if you posted something six minutes ago, that was the first thing people saw.

[Julian]

Like, yeah, yeah, that's got to be rough.

[Damaris]

That's yeah.

[Julian]

And imagine you being the guy like, that was intended for that message, and you hitting, like, public stories, like, what is this girl doing? Like, it doesn't hit your dm. Like, is she talking to me?

[Damaris]

Oh, God. And she probably said his name.

[Julian]

Oh, I don't remember if she said his name.

[Damaris]

Oh, caught.

[Julian]

But she was, like, fake apologizing, if.

[Damaris]

I remember correctly, sending titties for the apology. That's a. That's. They don't make them like her no more.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's. That's the best way to apologize.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

They don't make them like her no more.

[Mall]

Bust it up.

[Julian]

Did we give Lauren any advice?

[Damaris]

She didn't call for advice. She just wanted to tell us the story.

[Julian]

Oh, well, I mean, you got blocked.

[Damaris]

His loss.

[Peach]

All right, get back out there, Lauren.

[Julian]

And also, if you try to go back and, like, mend it and be like, it was just jokes. He already has a view of you.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

It may not be an accurate one, but forever, he's gonna think, oh, I wife the side chick, girl.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Julian]

So just move on. I mean, you know Cleveland, surely plenty of it. Available man don't do that. What? What?

[Mall]

Don't do that. Cleveland is a good city.

[Julian]

I like Cleveland, okay?

[Damaris]

I live in New York City, and ain't no available men here, so Cleveland might be good.

[Mall]

It ain't no available man.

[Damaris]

Can you lay down? Can you pipe down in New York City? Can you link down? Can you link down?

[Mall]

You see how women just to throw out.

[Damaris]

Can you link down, though?

[Mall]

I'm chilling.

[Julian]

I found a great man at. On 42nd.

[Mall]

He found you.

[Damaris]

Yeah, they're all gay.

[Mall]

Oh, now you're getting somewhere.

[Julian]

Now you parting that all men are gay.

[Mall]

I mean, most of them. Yeah, I think most men are gay.

[Peach]

Isn't this a.

[Damaris]

Now when I just had this argument now when I said it, y'all looked at me like I was literally just.

[Julian]

Said, yeah, so I called you crazy. Then I'm calling him crazy.

[Peach]

50% of men are gay.

[Mall]

I'm not gonna say that. I'm not gonna say 50%. That's most.

[Peach]

You just said most.

[Julian]

Most is over 51.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's more.

[Mall]

No. Is it.

[Peach]

That's a majority share. Yeah, most.

[Damaris]

Most is, like, 75.

[Peach]

Most wouldn't. Okay, so more than half.

[Mall]

That's a lot.

[Damaris]

A lot. 30%.

[Mall]

All right, I'm rolling. Okay, I'm rolling with. 30% of these is gay.

[Damaris]

And this is all jokes, guys.

[Mall]

No, it ain't.

[Julian]

Wait, do we stand it on big business?

[Mall]

No. Gay men are gay. Is that offensive?

[Julian]

Population of America is gay men.

[Mall]

That's a sick service.

[Damaris]

That's a sick. We got some nasty ass algorithms.

[Julian]

7.1%.

[Mall]

Nah, that's. When did they, when did they poll that? Before the pandemic.

[Peach]

Oh, I feel like a lot of.

[Julian]

You guys think I'm a conspiracy theorist. Thinks the vaccine turn everyone gay.

[Mall]

That's a fact. I feel like after the pandemic mad is gay.

[Damaris]

That was before the pandemic.

[Mall]

Yeah. I feel like once had to stay home and get the as of August they realized, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm rolling. I think a lot of niggas realize like, you know what? I only like bitches because my niggas be liking the bitches. Like I don't really like.

[Damaris]

I like my niggas.

[Mall]

Hey, listen to the music. These niggas popping perks, getting drunk. Look at their videos. No hoes.

[Peach]

As of August 24, 2024, New York City has an estimate over 270,000 self identifying gay and bisexual people.

[Damaris]

And it's at least another 270,000 self identify.

[Julian]

And we stand with you. We are allies.

[Peach]

We have another voicemail.

[Mall]

All right, let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it.

[Julian]

Let's do it.

[Peach]

I had nothing.

[Julian]

It's just going to be a cold cut of what was happening.

[Peach]

Keep it rolling. Here we go.

[Julian]

Deli meat cut.

[Mall]

It's cool.

[Damaris]

All right, let's try to do this one. Take Jake. So I have triplet brothers, but I'm only calling about one of them because he's, he's really bugging.

[Julian]

So he has a 12 year old.

[Damaris]

Daughter and my niece's best friend just so happens to live next door right now. The problem is why is my brother his daughter's best friend's mom? I know this isn't going well.

[Julian]

That's. I mean, that's just swag.

[Damaris]

Thoughts, comments, concerns?

[Mall]

Let me know.

[Julian]

Right? He's single.

[Damaris]

I thought that was going somewhere else.

[Mall]

His daughter's best friend's friend.

[Damaris]

No, I thought he was just about to say why is he his daughter's best friend? And then she said, mom.

[Julian]

I was like, oh, that's just a pornhub fantasy. Yeah, but I mean, if he. What's wrong with doing that?

[Mall]

The daughter's best friend's mom.

[Julian]

If he's not cheating, Right? He's single.

[Damaris]

No, but it can, it can become messy for the daughter.

[Mall]

For the daughter and her friend.

[Damaris]

Not even just the daughter and her friend. Like it could become messy Like. Like I don't it depending on how her mom feels about her baby father at the time. You know what I'm saying?

[Mall]

Here's what really matters. How old is his daughter?

[Damaris]

12.

[Julian]

Fair game.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's.

[Damaris]

I have.

[Julian]

What if it works out now your best friend is now your stepsiber.

[Mall]

What if he's planning on moving in two years?

[Damaris]

Oh, how often does do things like that work out, Baby?

[Julian]

I watched the Brady Bunch for years on Nick at night. Same scenario.

[Peach]

13 minus something.

[Julian]

Yeah, come on. 10 minus two.

[Peach]

Come on, five. Is it five?

[Julian]

Okay, not five. That.

[Peach]

Yeah, 13 minus five.

[Mall]

I think it's fair game.

[Damaris]

It's messy. It is fair game, but it's messy.

[Mall]

But it's fair game.

[Damaris]

And I'm sure that the daughter is. Yeah, I'm sure that she's uncomfortable with that or would be uncomfortable with that.

[Mall]

But whatever is so obviously her dad and mom are not still together.

[Damaris]

She didn't say that.

[Julian]

We're gonna assume. We're gonna assume that no one's cheating. They're just both single people. Let's hope it's messy because if it's super messy, it's messy. If y'all are both like married. What the are you doing? But I don't know I mean that messy. Okay.

[Mall]

Fire though. Doing this.

[Damaris]

We need therapy.

[Mall]

I'm just saying. When we ain't supposed to be doing it.

[Damaris]

Therapy.

[Julian]

If you are a parent, it's tough to meet. Meet people.

[Mall]

No, it's not.

[Julian]

If you are a single parent. Yes, it's very tough to meet people.

[Mall]

Why? How?

[Julian]

Because you are consumed with your child at all times. It's tough to just go out and try.

[Damaris]

You're not consumed with your 12 year old at all times.

[Mall]

Yeah, 12. No, you're not. It's not old.

[Damaris]

And I'm not. I'm. I know I'm not a parent, but I know people with 12 year olds. You're not consumed with your 12 year olds have mad life. They outside, they're in sports, they're running around like they have friends. They at their best friend's house while you next door, they mom. Like. Like 12 year olds. I get what you're saying because you have a, A. A baby. Baby. But 12 year olds do not consume all your.

[Julian]

I'm not letting my daughter that is really a parent. Even at 12 years old. I would imagine. Especially if a 12 year old has activities and to do like. Yeah. You're driving them around constantly.

[Damaris]

Well, yeah.

[Julian]

Part of their life for. Yeah. So it may be hard to go date. And I'm next to somebody that I find attractive in this parent world. I gotta drop that woman.

[Mall]

Drop my daughter off here.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mall]

To see her best friend and I'll drop. I might as well get some, you know, me drop.

[Peach]

Listen other daughters off.

[Mall]

Yeah. Might as well drop this nut white. What is it called? Nut white. Nut white. Lip gloss off. Let hurry up.

[Julian]

I'm repeating, repeating myself. But I still think. Pass the gun. The Blue in Remembrance, I think is the name of the song. When he talked about his first time he lost his virginity, he was. Was brought to that house by his dad, who was the mom, and then ended up the daughter.

[Peach]

Oh, that's a great song.

[Julian]

It's a beautiful song. Blue is so talented.

[Mall]

It's a. It's a great day.

[Julian]

But I. I think that's.

[Peach]

That is.

[Julian]

I think that's more common than people think. So I don't think it's really that sick. As long as everyone's single and not doing no backdoor. I mean, anal's fine, but you know what I mean?

[Damaris]

I just get how it could be messy. I get how that could be messy.

[Peach]

Anal.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I think like, I feel like your daughter at 12 years old. It's such a special time because they're developing and. Yeah, I know. You couldn't help it. They're developing mentally, emotionally, and they have this best friend, you know, 12 year olds. Our best friend is our whole entire life. And I have a relationship with their mom.

[Julian]

I mean, we're here. No, it's small. I'm here. No, I'm here. I'm talking to you.

[Peach]

It's always mall.

[Mall]

But. But while we. This is why Damaris is crazy. Because she heard what he said and she kept trying to talk. If somebody said something about anal. Yeah, that's messy. You can't just keep talking.

[Julian]

No, that's the only reaction you can have is to ignore it.

[Mall]

Ignoring me, but saying anal is messy. Like I think the conversation is supposed to have.

[Julian]

To me, it's funnier when you ignore it and just keep talking. But that's why I was laughing, like addressing it.

[Mall]

But that's why I was laughing because the marriage is still trying to get her off. And it's like. Like you hear what he just said? It's messy.

[Julian]

What if these parents are hiding it? Like it's not like they're. They're holding hands at the play dat.

[Damaris]

Eventually it's going to end.

[Julian]

How do you know that?

[Peach]

That's pessimistic. Oh my.

[Mall]

What if that's his new. What if that's her new stepmother?

[Julian]

That's what I'm saying. What a dream scenario.

[Mall]

No, that's like, oh, she. Now me and my bestie are really sisters.

[Damaris]

And then what if they break up?

[Mall]

We still sisters, but what if they last?

[Peach]

What if they fall in love?

[Mall]

Yeah. What if love wins?

[Damaris]

I'm not. I'm the woman on this podcast, and y'all the only ones being delusional.

[Mall]

You are single.

[Damaris]

The. That got this.

[Mall]

That means you one of the.

[Damaris]

That doesn't. No, it doesn't work like that.

[Mall]

Yes, it does. All right.

[Damaris]

You single. You one of the.

[Mall]

That's. No, that. See, it don't work like that.

[Julian]

15 minus. Whatever.

[Mall]

Nah.

[Peach]

7.

[Mall]

That's not how it works.

[Damaris]

God damn.

[Peach]

Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

[Mall]

She got a bandana on. She not one of the.

[Damaris]

Aaliyah wore a bandana.

[Mall]

She was one of the.

[Damaris]

That was a bad. That was. That was a bad.

[Mall]

The. Are we talking about.

[Julian]

I don't know if I'm allowed to laugh at that.

[Mall]

I'm just saying she was. She one of the homies. Homie level friend. You single. You just the homie. It ain't no love, and it ain't no.

[Julian]

So being in a relationship is what makes a woman. Finally, we. We figured out the age old transgender question. What is a woman? A woman is somebody that's in a relationship with a man, and we defined it. And in the kitchen and not voting or speaking.

[Mall]

She didn't go that far in the cave. Remember we told Nemaris she only stopped when she saw men.

[Damaris]

I learned how to.

[Julian]

I tried to tell you that humans fuck Neanderthals. I'm trying to tell y'all. Embarrassing.

[Damaris]

I feel like I have, like, the choice.

[Mall]

That's what I'm saying. So now you just need the man. Now you just need.

[Damaris]

In order for me to become an honest woman.

[Mall]

That's it for now. You one of the homies. You gotta take these jokes like you one of the homies.

[Damaris]

So when I get a man, the jolly stuff that could shoot you the joke stop. Because I came into this podcast, I came into this game with a man, and y'all still talk. Y'all still.

[Mall]

Yeah, but that. But. But you.

[Damaris]

I had a man, and you looked me in my eyes and said that. You could tell my nipples was caramel brown all the way down, and I had a whole man.

[Mall]

That's just an observation.

[Julian]

Said that.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's an observation.

[Damaris]

It's a clip. We used to play it at every live show.

[Mall]

It's an observation.

[Julian]

No, my memory is so bad.

[Mall]

You said that observations don't stop when you have a man.

[Julian]

I apologize to Marisol. What?

[Peach]

What you say? We've clipped all those things.

[Julian]

My memory. We pod all week. No, but when I can't remember everything, like, you guys have to understand that I don't remember everything. I see clips from the old pod where I'm like, bro, I don't even remember this day.

[Damaris]

But I'm talking about our live show that we have. Y'all used to play that comp. That mall compilation of wild.

[Julian]

He said, wait, when he's talking about my dad, like, in big asses and big areolas.

[Damaris]

In that clip.

[Peach]

Is in that clip. Yeah.

[Julian]

Well, I was sitting there going through my show notes. I was ready to get on stage.

[Damaris]

Rehearsal.

[Julian]

Yeah, I'm sitting in the mirror, like, getting ready to go, literally.

[Mall]

Chicago, this Sunday, August 25th, we will be at the City Winery. Tickets available [e-mail] Tickets are moving. Tickets are selling, so get them before sold out. Don't DM me and Rory to my. Yo, the link ain't working. Or click on this part.

[Julian]

I mean, if it's not working, text me.

[Mall]

Get your tickets now. Numarymall.com we will be in London in September. We'll be in Toronto October 17th. We will be in Atlanta November 22nd. And then we're back home, New York City, December 13th and December 14th at the Gramercy Theater.

[Julian]

I think I know how to piss off Julian Demaris and Peach right now. Yo, so when we're in Chicago, you want to go to the DNC and bye, guys. And close the dnc.