Episode 325 | Wacced Out Morals

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & MAL – Episode 325 | Wacced Out Morals

Release Date: December 3, 2024

Hosts: Rory and Mal from iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

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1. Thanksgiving Reflections and Dietary Choices [00:49 - 02:25]

The episode kicks off with Rory and Mal sharing their Thanksgiving experiences. Mal expresses his fondness for the holiday, not for its traditional significance, but for the relaxed atmosphere it offers:
“Not for what it represents, but just because there's no pressure. Just show up and eat.” (00:49)

Rory recounts his time with family and reflects on his dish selections during their Thanksgiving draft: “It was close. I tried to keep it on par with that, but I had to. I still obviously had Mac and cheese.” (02:25)

2. Mal's Vegan Break and Thanksgiving Meal [02:25 - 04:22]

Mal discusses his brief return to eating meat after four years of veganism for Thanksgiving purposes: “I made the meat cherry before the pilgrims... But now I'm back, though. Just one day. Just for the pilgrims.” (02:30)

He elaborates on his meal, emphasizing moderation to avoid discomfort: “I only had a little bit of Mac, a little bit of stuffed salmon. So I didn't go too crazy.” (02:41)

3. Mal's Oven Accident and Burn Injury [05:00 - 09:44]

A significant portion of the episode revolves around Mal sharing a harrowing kitchen accident. While preparing a steak under the broiler, his toddler, Amara, reaches for the pan. In trying to prevent her from grabbing it, Mal burns his hand severely: “I felt my skin come off when I took my hand off of it.” (05:17)
“I could feel, like, the skin actually coming off. And then it was... it was really nasty.” (07:15)

The hosts discuss immediate and long-term care for burns, emphasizing the importance of running the burned area under cold water immediately: “Run your hand under cold water to stop it from burning.” (07:08)

Mal reflects on the incident's impact, noting his resilience and the supportive response from City MD: “I was waiting for the moment to feel like some gripes and some pains and things like that. No, it was, it was pretty cool.” (02:41)

4. Music Industry Discussions: Drake vs. UMG Lawsuit [39:27 - 57:44]

The conversation shifts to a deep dive into the ongoing lawsuit between Drake and Universal Music Group (UMG). Mal supports Drake's decision to sue, viewing it as a potential catalyst for positive change within the music industry: “I fully support it. I don't know him. Neither do you guys. So who knows his real reasons? I think this is something that's extremely important...” (39:28)

Rory adds that the public often misunderstands the complexities of such legal battles, highlighting the contractual obligations artists have with their labels: “It's not about what Kendrick said. It's, yeah, Kendrick said this, but then the label amplified that to try to assassinate my character because I'm going through a renegotiation.” (44:02)

The hosts critique the public perception of artists suing their labels, arguing that contractual disputes are a business matter often misrepresented by fans: “Labels that do artists dirty. I watched a record contract is fucked all the way around, period.” (51:03)

5. Super Bowl Halftime Show and Performance Comparisons [63:50 - 72:14]

Rory and Mal compare the significance of Super Bowl halftime shows to other major performances, discussing the massive viewership and cultural impact: “Super Bowl commercials are one of the biggest ones.” (68:17)
“Yeah, but you can't compare a performance at Coachella to the halftime show.” (72:14)

They debate the effectiveness of high-profile performances in drawing diverse audiences: “This Super Bowl is going to have music fans plus non-NFL fans plus NFL fans. Like, it's the same Christmas game. No, it's not.” (73:09)

6. Voicemail Segment: Fall Offs in Hip Hop Careers [89:19 - 109:58]

The hosts address a voicemail from a listener asking which hip hop artists have experienced the biggest career declines. They discuss various artists:

• Bob: Highlighted for his early 2000s success with collaborations but perceived decline post-2014.
• Nelly: Recognized for his prolonged career but debated whether his reduced output constitutes a fall off.
• Fetty Wap: Mentioned for his initial surge and subsequent struggles maintaining momentum.
• Young Thug and Meek Mill: Discussed regarding their sustained relevance versus public perception.

Notable discussion points include: “I think 50 would have continued to make music... but he didn't.” (95:55)
“When you flood Billboard with that amount of hits at one time, you're fucking your artist over.” (96:02)

7. Personal Loss: Rory's Family Dog [134:11 - 137:09]

Towards the end of the episode, Rory shares a heartfelt moment about putting down his family dog, expressing gratitude towards the veterinary team: “I gotta check on my guy... thank you to Dr. Fig and the entire veterinarian staff at Virginia Tech.” (134:37)

Mal offers condolences and recounts his own experiences with veterinary care: “Best the two best. I wouldn't call it hospital because city md, but doctor visits. I've Ever had no wait time.” (19:23)

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Notable Quotes

• Mal on Thanksgiving:
  “Just show up and eat.” (00:49)

• Rory on Vegan Break:
  “I tried to keep it on par with that, but I had to. I still obviously had Mac and cheese.” (02:25)

• Mal on Burn Injury:
  “She grab Amara? I don't think I ever had a process. I just went in there and just did what I did.” (05:31)

• Rory on Drake's Lawsuit:
  “Labels that do artists dirty. I watched a record contract is fucked all the way around, period.” (51:03)

• Mal on Music Industry Changes:
  “If Drake wants to go be Bruce Willis, I'm fine with that. Yeah, tell on everyone.” (54:23)

• Rory on Personal Loss:
  “I'm not even trying. That was one of the toughest things I ever had to do.” (134:07)

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This episode of New Rory & MAL masterfully blends personal anecdotes with in-depth discussions on significant topics like the music industry's legal battles and the cultural impact of major performances. Listeners are treated to candid conversations, expert insights, and relatable humor, making it a compelling listen for both regular fans and newcomers alike.

Transcript

[Rory]

New warrior now Yesterday somebody whacked out my mural. That energy'll make you niggas move to Europe but it's regular for me yeah, that's for sure. The love and hate is definite without.

[Mal]

A cure all this talk is bitch.

[Rory]

Made thus I'm my Lord I kill them all before I let em kill my joy I done been through it all what you endure it used to be fuck that nigga but now it's.

[Caller]

Plural Fuck everybody that's on my body My blick first then God got me.

[Rory]

I watch them pander with them backhanded compliments Put they head on the Cuban link as a monument I pay homage and I always mind my business I made the. I never lost who I am For a rap image there's motivation if you wonder how I did it.

[Mal]

And we are back from holiday. One of my favorite holidays. Not for what it represents, but just because there's no pressure. Just show up and eat.

[Julian]

Must be nice.

[Rory]

That's all you got to do for Thanksgiving.

[Mal]

Yeah, there's no pressure to give people gifts. Certain traditions, just bring a dish, shut the up and enjoy yourself.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

How was your Thanksgiving?

[Rory]

It was cool, man. Went down to saw the family, hung out with the fan for a couple days. Haven't seen them in a little minute, so it was cool to catch up with everybody.

[Mal]

When we did our Thanksgiving plate, draft, if you will, on Patreon, how did your plate fear against what you picked in the draft? Mine was pretty on par. I was actually. I thought it was kind of weird.

[Rory]

It was close. It was pretty. It was pretty close to the. I tried to keep it on par with that, but I had to. I still obviously had Mac and cheese.

[Mal]

Well, I was at the edge of my seat this entire time. You decided to break your vegan virginity or like, you popped your. What is your meat? You popped your meat cherry.

[Rory]

Meat cherry.

[Julian]

Hey, yo.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's for those that don't know. Maul has been vegan for God knows how long, and he.

[Rory]

Four years.

[Mal]

Four years. And decided he was gonna break. Break his hymen.

[Rory]

Yeah. But I'm back, though. Just one day. Just for the pilgrims.

[Mal]

Not for the Native Americans.

[Rory]

No, no, no, no. For the pilgrims.

[Mal]

I did it for their memory.

[Rory]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Mal]

Did you wrap yourself Blanket. A disease blanket afterwards?

[Rory]

Yeah. All right.

[Mal]

So Mac and cheese.

[Rory]

Yeah, I had the Mac.

[Mal]

Real Mac.

[Rory]

Real Mac.

[Mal]

Like, real Mac?

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, Real.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

Yeah. Cow Mac.

[Mal]

What. What was the bathroom like shortly after?

[Rory]

Nothing, man. It didn't. My stomach wasn't upset at all.

[Mal]

Okay. Did you mix like some fiber or something to make sure he was okay?

[Rory]

No, literally my stomach was. Has been fine. It's normal. Yeah, it wasn't. I was, I was, I was waiting for the moment to feel like some gripes and some pains and things like that. No, it was, it was pretty cool I think because I had, I only had a little bit. I only had a little bit of Mac, a little bit of stuffed salmon. So I didn't go too crazy. It was. I wasn't stuffing my face with a bunch of.

[Mal]

So did it bring back memories of like what food tasted like?

[Rory]

Nah, not really.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

As soon as I ate it, I was just like, I'm not missing nothing.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I don't think I could ever cut Mac and cheese out of my life. But anything else you said you were going to do salmon.

[Rory]

I had salmon.

[Mal]

That didn't do anything at all either.

[Rory]

Nothing.

[Mal]

Oh, I'm disappointed. I thought we were going to have a.

[Rory]

You thought.

[Mal]

You wanted bathroom.

[Rory]

You wanted me to project out vomiting like no, man, no. Now if I would have did like some oxtail or something like that, like, yeah, if I would have went all the way down that rabbit hole, then I would probably still be in the er. But, but no, I didn't go too crazy.

[Mal]

Okay. What made you want to actually do that this time?

[Rory]

I don't know. I just wanted to missed. I missed the taste of like meat, certain fish and things like that. So I just tried that.

[Mal]

But yeah, maybe you'll go back to the pescatarian life. Nah.

[Damaris]

Presbyterian.

[Rory]

I'm done. I'm done.

[Mal]

Pessimistic terrains.

[Rory]

I'm done. I'm back. I'm back on my. I'm about to do a 10 day juice cleanse. Okay, yeah, I'm done. I'm done with that. But it was, it was cool. It was cool to kind of taste, you know, that taste again. But I'm not missing nothing.

[Mal]

It's like some old ghost of past.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mal]

She had to running back one.

[Rory]

No.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You know when, you know when you call in and you hook up again, you just like, nah, let me just move on.

[Mal]

I was just horny.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's it. That's all. It's. It's.

[Mal]

The memory was better than what it really.

[Rory]

Exactly, man. It wasn't. It wasn't all that. I thought it was going to be like. I thought I was going to have this whole feeling of. Oh, yes, I missed this. It was just like, all right, that's.

[Mal]

How I feel with certain women. But the opposite. Like, I don't want to beat again because they have, like, a good idea of me.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I don't want to ruin that with what it actually was. Keep that good false memory you have of how that went.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So I don't want to run it.

[Rory]

Back, but it wasn't too bad, though.

[Mal]

Well, mine was cool. Mine was low key. Secondary burns. That's pretty much as far as it really went. But other than that, it was a really good.

[Rory]

You were cooking, or did you pick up something that was hot?

[Mal]

So it was the day before Thanksgiving. It actually had nothing to do with Thanksgiving.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

Being father of the year. Had the broiler on with a frying pan in there. With steak in the broiler.

[Rory]

Okay. In the oven.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

Oven on. On, broil.

[Rory]

Got you.

[Mal]

So I took. I opened the door. Here comes Amara out of left field. I full on grab with my hand the frying pan. Like, full on, grab it to push it out of the way. I felt my skin come off when I took my hand off of it.

[Rory]

Wait, so the. The. The. The pan was in the oven.

[Mal]

Open the oven door, right, and the oven is on. Like, it's not up here, it's down here.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mal]

It's where a child could.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Amara out of left field, runs towards it.

[Rory]

So why not grab Amara?

[Mal]

I don't know, Mo. I'm not saying I'm a smart human.

[Rory]

Close the oven door. Grab a.

[Mal]

No, no. The whole thing was out. Like, I couldn't have closed the oven. The pan. Everything would have went up if I put the door like that. Because the.

[Damaris]

The sliding rate.

[Mal]

You are correct. But I was over the oven. So the. The only logical thing at the time to me felt like moving the pan that I could see she was going. After she grabbed. She goes grab. She grabbed. Shit. She's a toddler.

[Damaris]

You gotta. You gotta lay her out.

[Rory]

Yeah, you gotta.

[Julian]

You guys are cluster.

[Mal]

I know. I made the wrong move.

[Rory]

You supposed to clothesline tomorrow at that point?

[Mal]

No.

[Damaris]

Gotta give her.

[Rory]

Hit her with the.

[Damaris]

Give her that cooper.

[Mal]

Yeah. My hand still would have hurt, but it wouldn't have been the same.

[Rory]

You. So with her, like, lay her out, like Junior say out.

[Mal]

And then I didn't feel anything for like the first 15 minutes. Then my hand started to feel like it was actually like someone had lit it on fire.

[Rory]

It was numb.

[Mal]

So I was like, I'm gonna walk up to City MD and I walk in, and of course it's actually dead empty in there, day before Thanksgiving. And the woman at the front desk sees that my hand is wrapped up and goes, we have our first Thanksgiving injury.

[Julian]

That's so embarrassing.

[Rory]

It's like, wow.

[Mal]

I wasn't even cooking Thanksgiving. I was cooking dinner just now.

[Julian]

Run your hand under cold water to stop it from burning, though not burning.

[Mal]

Like wolverine because this looked disgusting the next day. But like, you know, I'm all right.

[Rory]

It's just. You just white.

[Damaris]

Are you supposed to run it underwater? What are the immediate steps after that?

[Julian]

Cold water to stop the. Because even when you remove your hand, your hand is still burning.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

So to prevent your hand from continuing to burn, you have to kind of like running eggs under cold water to stop them from continuing cooking.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Julian]

Yeah, it's like that.

[Rory]

Running eggs under, like when you're boiling. I thought you meant scrambled egg was.

[Mal]

Like, who's running cold water on scrambled so that stop cooking.

[Rory]

It's been a while since I ate scrambled. E. I'm going say, who is doing that? Like what is going on out here?

[Julian]

Same thing with pasta and things like that. To stop it from cooking. Cuz the heat continues to cook.

[Rory]

Yeah. Okay, so now your hand feels like a leather glove.

[Mal]

Yes, that's exactly what it feels like.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Touch it more.

[Rory]

What?

[Mal]

I mean, it's. It's bad here. Here.

[Damaris]

Warped is I. I've been.

[Mal]

It was before. It's definitely went down like this morning is the best by far.

[Damaris]

Look like Jay Leno.

[Mal]

It was bad.

[Julian]

Did you have the bubbles like the bubble?

[Mal]

Oh, hell yeah.

[Julian]

Oh yeah.

[Mal]

It was gross. It was really, really nasty.

[Julian]

Damn. No more dick beating for you. Hate that.

[Mal]

I'm a lefty.

[Rory]

Yeah, sorry. Yeah. Mara would have been laid out though. My daughter. I'm not, right?

[Mal]

Oh no.

[Rory]

I'm not grabbing a hot ass.

[Mal]

I don't want this. Make it sound like I was. I didn't want to lay out my daughter. Yeah, that would have been the smarter thing to do if I could redo that.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Clothesline like knocked out.

[Rory]

And then why were you opening the oven without like an oven mitt anything in your hand?

[Mal]

No, I did with my left and when she came, I went like this because I was trying to block her from not only the frying pan that she was going after the oven itself that was open.

[Rory]

Got you.

[Mal]

So it was like this.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And then I realized I was holding a fucking frying pan that just came out of a 500 degree broiler.

[Julian]

Did you scream? You screamed a little.

[Mal]

No, cuz I didn't feel that adrenaline.

[Rory]

Yeah, I didn't feel any going and then saw his daughter. He was like.

[Mal]

Then when I took my hand off, though, I could feel, like, skin actually coming off. And then it was. I ran right to the sink. Sad. Was like, all right, that hurt a little bit, but I'm fine. Fifteen minutes later, I think it felt like someone poured gas on my hand and just lit.

[Rory]

That's when. That's when. That's how I burn. When it sets in, it's like, all right. Yeah. You start feeling a pulse in your hand?

[Julian]

No.

[Mal]

Yeah. So that was. That was before.

[Rory]

Now that we know you're okay. What a idiot, man.

[Julian]

Well, did you cook anything for Thanksgiving?

[Mal]

Did you bring a dish? No, I planned on cooking, but obviously my injury stopped me, so thank God my family helped out and I didn't have to. I just ate and chilled.

[Julian]

Oh, was that your house you did at your house?

[Mal]

Did the first half of my house, then my cousins in Paramus.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Mal]

So two. Two days, so. But I'm back.

[Rory]

Well, that's good, man. Glad you're back. Julian posted a picture in the chat of his dad's famous cranberry sauce right out the can.

[Damaris]

Baby peach did, too.

[Rory]

In the group chat, I saw the expiration date on the side of it.

[Mal]

I was like, last Thanksgiving, as long.

[Rory]

As that can be sitting in the.

[Damaris]

Cabinet, you just see the ribs in the.

[Mal]

Having expired canned goods is a different level.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you'd be surprised.

[Julian]

You'd be surprised.

[Damaris]

Yeah. My parents, we definitely. I think when we. We did some spring cleaning at some point, there were cans in there from, like, pre 9, 11.

[Mal]

Oh, no, that's crazy. I definitely. Because Kia spot is the spot she grew up in, and her parents moved out when I left the cans. I've cleaned out shit in the back of her food pantry that is older than her. Like, yo, how did no one even. Like, this pantry's not that big.

[Julian]

No.

[Mal]

Somebody could have saw this camp.

[Julian]

The seasonings. My mother has seasonings from the early 2000s every time I go home for Thanksgiving. I'm, like, looking at. She's like, yo, I got some bacon sauce episode up there. Or I got some Italian season. My last. How you Season is over season that.

[Rory]

Season in there, sitting like crack rocks. That. That.

[Mal]

There was stuff I was pulling from kids where I'm like, damn, I didn't even know they had expiration dates in 01.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Like, I thought that was a new thing.

[Rory]

Yeah, you just had. Just had to figure it out.

[Mal]

Tasting it from 01.

[Rory]

Yeah. Tasted like. That's expired.

[Mal]

What's crazy is, though, I appreciate whoever came up with the font for the expiration date. Like universal font. That's been for like 20 years.

[Rory]

Yeah, they have.

[Mal]

Not years.

[Rory]

More than that.

[Mal]

I'm not. I'm not that old.

[Rory]

Yeah, you're 30 something.

[Mal]

I know, but I wasn't like, checking expiration.

[Damaris]

Expiration dates.

[Rory]

Really? Y didn't read expiration dates as a kid.

[Julian]

I did.

[Damaris]

I was watching 106 in park beating off.

[Mal]

He was checking the lotion expiration.

[Rory]

All right, what segment of 100 06:00 were you beating off on?

[Damaris]

We've done the he said.

[Rory]

He said Freestyle Friday.

[Mal]

All right, off the gin, you find.

[Rory]

A way to jacking off the Blonde Fury poster. Boy, that blind fury is something else, man.

[Mal]

Man, that'd be sick, cuz. Blonde Fury was not too long ago. That would have been like, recent.

[Damaris]

I'd be like 16.

[Mal]

No, you like 20.

[Rory]

Julian was diring off like bow wow number one again. Let's get.

[Julian]

I'm sorry. That was hilarious.

[Mal]

BT uncut, though, not 106.

[Rory]

Oh. BT uncut. That's different. That Nelly Tip Drew video was a.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, it definitely probably a staple brand.

[Julian]

Yeah, but that's like. That's like amateur hour compared to.

[Rory]

But you know what's funny? If you look at Tip Drill video today. Oh, that shit is the most regular, basic video.

[Mal]

Not crazy at all. Not even a little bit.

[Rory]

Like, you see crazier videos of a girl promoting just like protein powder on IG now.

[Damaris]

Like, there's that trend of.

[Mal]

But we even see that with like, asses now too. Yeah, asses we thought were crazy when I was a kid are like, damn, girl, man, she. She be called no ass.

[Rory]

I can't to this day, I can't believe I sat home and waited for the countdown for Cisco's Thong song video.

[Damaris]

Not one thong.

[Rory]

Looking at that video now, I'm like, this is a Gap commercial. What is this?

[Damaris]

The wave of influencers now on Instagram that, like, fake read and they'll just have their back to the camera and they'll just do like the bounce and the ass will just go.

[Rory]

That's better than Tip Drill.

[Damaris]

It is. We are simple creatures. That works every time.

[Mal]

Nelly swiped that credit card as much as LeBron. A pretty dressed ass. Yeah, like, she was pretty covered up by today's standards.

[Rory]

Crazy.

[Mal]

But, yeah, definitely ran through that. Anyone else? How was. How was everyone else's Thanksgiving?

[Rory]

Baby D posted that potato salad with that pap on top. Yeah, posted that.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah, I made the potato salad this year and it Was absolutely phenomenal. My aunts went to my mom and told her I did it better than her. She had to just eat it. She had to sit with it.

[Mal]

She did.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

I went off this year, Damaris posted her turkey and said the MVP of the deal of the day. So I just want to put that out there.

[Julian]

That it was my turkey and my glazed ham. I had a brown sugar orange glazed ham.

[Mal]

Now you guys respect glazed ham, but when I. I love. That was my first.

[Julian]

I don't. I don't eat ham, but I do respect ham when it's done right. A lot of people don't do it right. I did it right. I can't speak for you.

[Mal]

That was my. That was my Dwight Howard. And like, you guys laughed at it.

[Damaris]

Your t. Taiwanese Dwight Howard.

[Rory]

That was my Dwight Howard. That was your Washington Wizards Dwight.

[Mal]

He's glazed some hand before. That's all I'm saying. That joke had layers and I want. I want some appreciation for it. All right, so did you like. I had glazed ham too. I was so excited.

[Damaris]

I'm pissed.

[Mal]

And while I was eating it, I was paused thinking about you guys. Like, how. How did they. On glazed ham.

[Julian]

Glazed ham is so nobody on glazed ham.

[Rory]

I was laughing at Julian's butternut squash the entire weekend. I can't believe he had that on his list.

[Damaris]

I had it over there.

[Julian]

I fed my dog that for Thanksgiving. Butternuts.

[Rory]

That is what you feed your dog.

[Mal]

That was his special treat.

[Damaris]

Butternut squash is delicious, you guys. It is.

[Rory]

I'm not saying it's not, but at Thanksgiving, it's just not something that, you.

[Mal]

Know me, I can honestly say I don't think I've ever even tasted butternut squash. That's how, like, non existent it's been in my world.

[Rory]

Butternut squash at Thanksgiving is like, come on, man. What are we doing, man? Like, not butter nut squash.

[Julian]

Did you have it at your Thanksgiving?

[Damaris]

Yeah, we did. It was chill. It was just three of us. No one was home. It was just me, my mom and dad.

[Rory]

Yeah. I read something online where everybody was.

[Mal]

Like, that's cause your brothers are all running for the new Democratic nominee.

[Rory]

Somebody on social media said, tired of y'all saying the holidays don't hit the same no more. It's because we the new adults.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, we gotta cook. We gotta do dinners. And I was like, you know what?

[Mal]

It's our tradition.

[Rory]

That is a valid, valid point. Like, we have to be the ones that are like, all right, dinner at my house this year.

[Damaris]

Like, carry on Tradition.

[Rory]

We have to.

[Julian]

Like Nas said, I tell people all the time, I don't get excited for Thanksgiving. Like, I don't get to get cute and wear a cute outfit and, like, play little games. Games? And drink wine. Like, I. I was. By the time everybody ate, I still had my apron on. Like. Like, there's. It's not fun for me at all.

[Damaris]

I don't look forward to it, Baby.

[Rory]

D. One day, you going to make some man very happy.

[Julian]

That's the nicest thing you ever said to me.

[Rory]

Yeah, you are.

[Mal]

I was waiting for, like, the butt.

[Rory]

See, look, man, I always wa. I'm serious.

[Julian]

Got a white man do.

[Rory]

She was in the kitchen all day Thanksgiving. You know me. She gonna make somebody where she belongs. That's a true Republican right there.

[Mal]

Because you're such a great cook.

[Julian]

Oh, go to hell. Go, though.

[Mal]

I smoked hookah on Thanksgiving.

[Rory]

Why?

[Mal]

I don't know. My cousin makes good hookah. I haven't smoked hookah in a really long time. She's really good at it.

[Rory]

Makes good hookah.

[Damaris]

No, no, no.

[Mal]

I'm telling you, no. Yeah. I don't know what she does. She won't tell us the recipe.

[Damaris]

It's shisha.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Like what?

[Julian]

No. Y'all don't know what? Y'all don't smoke enough hookah to know. People make hookah very badly. Like, set the hookah up very badly. So when you have somebody that sets it up, it's not burning. It lasts for a long time. The smoke is great. Like, that's a keeper.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Amara had no screen time through that iPad in front of her.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Went right back to my college days. Give me some of this hookah. Let me breathe in all this toxins.

[Rory]

Hookah for things.

[Julian]

What flavor was it?

[Rory]

Wow.

[Mal]

I don't know. It's her own recipe.

[Rory]

Wait, she makes shisha?

[Mal]

I think she mixes.

[Julian]

She probably mixes it.

[Mal]

She has, like, her own. Yeah, her own mix that I'm. She's not growing shisha in the backyard.

[Rory]

Oh, like, that's what I was like.

[Mal]

I don't even know. Can you even do that?

[Rory]

I don't know. That's why I was like, yo, who is your cousin? We need to talk.

[Mal]

No, she. But she puts, like, her own concoctions together for hookah.

[Rory]

She seasons the.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

Okay. Got it. I get it.

[Mal]

She glazes the hookah.

[Rory]

Yeah. That's what you got to do. Add a little pineapple in there, a little orange slice. I get it.

[Mal]

But, yeah, I went crazy. That was. That was my crazy event. Of. Of Thanksgiving. All right, Hookah.

[Rory]

Well, it's good to hear. Everybody had a good time. Peach, you all right? Good. I gotta check on my guy.

[Mal]

What do you think? What do you think? The conversation.

[Rory]

The man of many words over there.

[Mal]

I text Peach over the holiday weekend. He said, I'm in the streets right now, so I don't even want to know.

[Rory]

Over the holidays. Yeah, I don't even want to know what. Peach was in Kansas.

[Mal]

Is the day before Thanksgiving still, like, a thing?

[Julian]

Blackout Wednesday.

[Damaris]

I didn't black out, but I did go out.

[Rory]

That's what it's called, Blackout Wednesday.

[Mal]

Since we're now the adults that have to actually create the Thanksgiving, I want to know the generation below us if they still get blacked out on Wednesday nights.

[Julian]

Yes.

[Mal]

Yeah. Like, everyone's. Everyone's home. It's a. It's a big night.

[Julian]

I went. I went out on Blackout Wednesday.

[Mal]

I never knew it was called Blackout Wednesday.

[Rory]

Where'd you go? You went to, like, a club?

[Julian]

I was in Syracuse. No, we went. So in Syracuse, we go bar hopping, like, downtown, and I went to, like, three bars. And, yeah, my turkey went in the oven very late the next day. But I've. What I've realized is now that we are the new adults, I can't do Blackout Wednesdays anymore. It's gonna start being like me and my homegirls doing everything for Thanksgiving Wednesday night. Like, sipping wine. I can't. I can't do it anymore. Go out and then wake up at 7 o'clock in the morning and cook. I can't do it anymore.

[Rory]

When you go out in Syracuse, they recognize you now. They know, Baby D. They knew me.

[Julian]

Before this podcast, babe.

[Rory]

That's what's up.

[Mal]

They know the podcast.

[Rory]

They may have known. They may have known you for other reasons, though.

[Damaris]

Derek.

[Mal]

From that lyrical venom.

[Julian]

Yeah, I was known as.

[Mal]

You know, I left out one part. I had to take Amara to the same city MD Thanksgiving morning because her daycare emailed us that the whole daycare was diagnosed with some sickness.

[Julian]

Rsv.

[Mal]

Yeah. Yeah, that. Then what is that? It's like bad cold Covid for kids with your lungs. And so we took our first thing in the morning. I'm back in with my wrapped hand. It hadn't been enough time for shifts to change. Same whole staff. And they said, what happened?

[Rory]

Now you're back.

[Julian]

That's so embarrassing.

[Rory]

They go call child services on you in a minute.

[Mal]

Best the two best. I wouldn't call it hospital because city md, but doctor visits. I've Ever had no wait time. No one at all. Like, I invite everyone to get sick or hurt themselves on holidays. There's nobody in there.

[Rory]

Yeah, I don't. I don't recommend going to the hospital.

[Julian]

On the holidays until 12 o'clock when everybody let that.

[Rory]

You gotta let that ease. Then you get up, let that air dry.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

If you get shot, let that drip dry it.

[Mal]

I'd be so scared to deep fry a turkey. I think I'm too pussy for that.

[Rory]

Yeah, you shouldn't. I don't recommend it. You can't even take it out of the oven. Yeah, you don't. Don't try to deep fry no turkey, please.

[Mal]

You just, what, hang it over the thing and then just drop it in that hot grease.

[Rory]

See you talking about plopping hot grease. You're already about to go back to the same city MD once again. Like, don't do that.

[Mal]

Joelink. You YouTube frying turkey accidents. Those are some of my favorite YouTube videos. They light the whole neighborhood on fire.

[Julian]

Look at what you do in your free time.

[Rory]

It's an arsonist over here.

[Mal]

You guys weren't like, arsonists as kids.

[Julian]

No, I'm an Aries. I'm still arsonist.

[Damaris]

I. I was. I had a phase, and then, like, a kid I knew literally burned his family's house down. I was like, all right, I should probably hang it up.

[Rory]

Wait, you burned somebody's.

[Damaris]

No, Like, a kid I know was also, like, in the. In the streets with me on some arson.

[Mal]

I thought you came in the game as a writer. Oh, now your pen is. Is the fire.

[Damaris]

But he actually burned his, like, family's house down. So then I was like, this isn't good. We should. Should stop.

[Mal]

I never arsoned in front of my house. It was always other places parks were.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you don't do it at your house. Yeah, he was reckless with it.

[Mal]

I felt like that was always a thing for kids. Like, that was like a rite of passage. You just have to explore your match with, like, matches and.

[Damaris]

Well, that's why I learned the matches trick, because I was like, I have to graduate. I can't light fires. I have to.

[Rory]

No, you have to. You have to start the fight and hide the match.

[Damaris]

Yeah, exactly.

[Rory]

Yeah, I get it.

[Damaris]

I can't be jammed up.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

I can't go to juvie.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's how Peach learned the nickel trick, too. The fire department deep frying your turkey is hilarious.

[Damaris]

So this is a video.

[Mal]

Like, how I know that fireman's good at cooking as well as good at fire.

[Damaris]

This is them doing a demonstration of how dangerous deep frying a turkey can. Can become.

[Rory]

First of all, it's the.

[Damaris]

It's one of the stupidest, awful idea.

[Mal]

But when you do it correctly. Have you guys ever had, like, a good fried turkey? There's nothing like.

[Damaris]

I've never had it.

[Julian]

So what causes the. Is it because people don't, like, dry their turkeys off enough? Is that.

[Damaris]

Oh, my God, that looks awful. Yeah.

[Mal]

You put frozen turkey into hot fucking grease.

[Rory]

Yeah. That looks like a. Ice. Yeah. You don't. Can't put a frozen turkey into hot grease. That's just not.

[Julian]

So I'm assuming that you have to make sure that the turkey is room temperature.

[Damaris]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

Yeah. I think that's just, like, standard. Let the turkey thaw out, like, and season it and.

[Mal]

Yeah. I don't know the process. I can just assume putting a frozen turkey into that would not end up being like water, oxygen, grease, fire is.

[Damaris]

Just not only white people where these accidents seem to happen.

[Rory]

That is insane.

[Mal]

I feel like if you own a deep fryer like that, you would know that water and hot oil are, like, not the best mix.

[Rory]

Yeah. It's not for everybody. They do have people that will, like, you know, you could drop your turkeys off and they'll deep fry them for you.

[Julian]

I found out Popeyes sells occasion turkey.

[Mal]

I saw on Thanksgiving on my timeline, they. They have, like, catered. I saw two different people order it. Catered Thanksgiving from Popeyes.

[Damaris]

There was a viral going out. Yeah. Someone said this should look like a pigeon. Yeah.

[Rory]

What?

[Mal]

That wasn't on my.

[Julian]

Actual Popeyes sells. You can pull up and get a fucking frozen turkey. It's already seasoned from Popeyes.

[Rory]

Oh, okay. I thought you meant, like, they cook it for you.

[Mal]

No, I think you cook it.

[Damaris]

No, this is what it looks like.

[Mal]

But they. They had all the sides and everything. That's not a bad.

[Julian]

Like, I'm good.

[Mal]

If you're in an apartment or, like, you can't go home or something, that's a pretty good compromise.

[Julian]

No, just buy a regular turkey and season it yourself.

[Rory]

Yeah. Like, that's why I'm. I'm just not trying now.

[Mal]

We don't like Popeyes seasonings.

[Rory]

I just feel like my aunt or my mom could season.

[Damaris]

This is 50, by the way. If you were to get your. From Popeyes, there's, like, groups of people.

[Mal]

That live out of the city that they live in and, like, do their. I think that's how friendsgiving started. Right?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

People do. Friends givings yeah. And some, you know, people in their early twenties may not know how to cook either. I could just throw a Popeyes turkey in the oven.

[Damaris]

Wait, that's pretty. That's. This is it posted? Being cooked. That looks nice.

[Rory]

I'm not rolling.

[Julian]

I'm not rolling.

[Rory]

I'm not picking up a turkey from. From Popeyes and then going home and cooking it.

[Julian]

I thought we was going to die from the chicken sandwich. You want me to take a Popeyes turkey to the crib?

[Rory]

Yeah, no, I'm cool.

[Mal]

Who's the designated turkey cutter in everyone's family?

[Damaris]

Called my mom without a question.

[Julian]

Me.

[Rory]

Yeah. Probably my mom.

[Mal]

I've gotten better.

[Rory]

I don't know how to cut a turkey for.

[Julian]

How do you.

[Damaris]

What's gonna end up back in cities?

[Julian]

What's your breakdown? What's your breakdown? Like, what you go to first?

[Mal]

Well, I don't know the anatomy. It's not like, operation.

[Damaris]

Do you like white or dark meat?

[Mal]

Both.

[Julian]

Okay, well, you know what a breast is. You know what a leg is, you know? Okay, so what do you hit first?

[Mal]

The leg.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Mal]

Yeah. Then, yeah, I work my way to the middle, I think. I don't think I ever had a process. I just went in there and just did what I did.

[Rory]

I just wait until everybody finished getting a piece, and I'm just like, all right, it's already butchered at this point.

[Julian]

Like, nah, I cut it up for everybody. Like, I cut it up and put it on a platter for everybody.

[Rory]

You gonna make somebody. I'm telling you, baby, it's gonna happen for you.

[Julian]

It's because people don't know. I don't want nobody up my turkey. People just be going there, just chopping.

[Rory]

That's me. That's me. Yeah.

[Julian]

No.

[Rory]

One day I was so hungry. I was so high. I cut that shit with a spoon. I went right to the breast and caught, like, ice cream.

[Damaris]

I said cake or turkey.

[Mal]

What's funny is if it was fresh, I probably worked.

[Rory]

Definitely worked. That was so soft. I was like, oh, hell yeah, that knife.

[Mal]

Well, glad everyone had a. A good holiday break.

[Julian]

Did you guys watch Kai's Thanksgiving stream with Kevin Hart and Drew Ski?

[Mal]

I saw clips. I didn't watch the entire thing. Clearly, I had other things going on.

[Julian]

Yeah. Drew Ski caught a kid fat and made him cry.

[Rory]

Yes. Oh, I'm sorry.

[Damaris]

Good.

[Mal]

That kid may go on to do great things because of that bullying.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

You have to look at it in.

[Rory]

That adds character. Man, we gotta. We gotta. Sometimes you gotta just do kids, you know? I mean, give them that. That teaspoon of Buckley's and just. I mean, like.

[Mal]

And then, like, it's not that bad of an insult because he can just look at him, be like, you fat, too?

[Julian]

Like, yeah, I'd have been like, twin.

[Rory]

Right? Right. There you go.

[Mal]

And Drew Ski may have been doing, like, some subtle encouragement. Like, look, I'm fat, and look how successful and funny I am. Like, you could do it, too.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, so wait, he was called. He was called a fat on this. On this.

[Damaris]

On the stream here, listen. So this is. So Kai had a. It was his family. Well, not. It was really Drew Ski, Kevin Hart, his family. One of the James brothers was there. And then he hired this. These actors to play the Addams Family. And the little boy in the Addams Family that he casted is this fat little kid.

[Mal]

So, yo, Kai is really just living, like, a little kid's dream.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Like, he just has money be like, all right, you know what? Let's put the Addams Family on this.

[Damaris]

So then this is how that. This is the cast. One viral.

[Mal]

Come on, bro. Come on, Fat.

[Rory]

Y'all been saying that to me all night. Everybody call me the fat all night, but I can't call the other little fat. The little fat.

[Mal]

Out of here. No, no, Come on. He's. Cover his ears when it come to.

[Damaris]

The kid, but not me.

[Julian]

He's like, yo, I didn't actually see the clip, but Drew Ski is so funny.

[Damaris]

This is a character like this entertainment. And the kid was obviously playing the character, too. Like, I don't know, man.

[Julian]

Now, the kid went back and complained to his mom.

[Damaris]

No, his mom's a loser for doing that.

[Mal]

I love that Drew Ski's plus one is the. I don't give.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Piss about nothing but the tide.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I love that guy so much. But I don't publicly say it because I'm sure the hard R is going to come out eventually.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah.

[Damaris]

They asked him who he voted for, and he was like, Trump. And you could just see, like, Drew Ski. And, like, all the people in the room were just like, who did you.

[Mal]

Think he voted for?

[Damaris]

It was so funny.

[Mal]

I'm surprised he didn't say. He didn't just give a piss about nothing but the Todd.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

That guy is hilarious.

[Julian]

That shit. That whole. That shit is so funny.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Willie.

[Damaris]

Wait.

[Mal]

The Internet has made so many people should not be famous.

[Damaris]

Wait, this is so. This shouldn't be this funny.

[Mal]

Okay. All right. No.

[Rory]

Well, we knew, but. Yeah, we.

[Mal]

Well, Willie, we kind of knew. Up.

[Rory]

Yeah, you can sit up.

[Mal]

Yeah, Kev. Trying to get out of frame.

[Rory]

Thank you. Who else did they think Willie voted for?

[Mal]

What you vote for?

[Rory]

Who else did they think Willie voted for? What is the other. He didn't even know who the other candidate was.

[Mal]

The only other answer would be. There was an election.

[Rory]

Like what?

[Mal]

It's the only other answer.

[Damaris]

So then here's the woman, the mother of the little fat kid.

[Julian]

Stop.

[Damaris]

He's fat.

[Mal]

It's baby weight.

[Damaris]

He's fat. And then the mom said this was. It was abuse.

[Mal]

Channing Tatum looked just the same at that age.

[Damaris]

Why do you know that? I don't know.

[Mal]

Trying to encourage the kid.

[Julian]

This is my little boy. That was. That was at Christ and that's house last night.

[Mal]

Hello.

[Rory]

All right, man. All right. It's a hot show.

[Mal]

This kid is gonna be a star. Cause he's clearly in on the joke, too.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Damaris]

He's an actor. The kid's an.

[Rory]

I get it. I see what's going on now.

[Mal]

That's a momager right there.

[Julian]

That should have me cry. You know, in character.

[Damaris]

You're.

[Mal]

You're in character right now as well.

[Julian]

I'm supposed to be Pugsley from the Addams Family, so we mostly don't talk. Then he insulted me. Drew skiing.

[Mal]

Drew Ski.

[Julian]

Insulted me multiple times.

[Mal]

He only said one thing.

[Julian]

And if you check on the YouTube video, they cut it out.

[Mal]

Okay. My badge.

[Julian]

LeBron James Jr. And Kai Snap.

[Mal]

So wait, Bronnie was there.

[Damaris]

Bronnie was at the table.

[Mal]

How did I miss Bronnie?

[Rory]

Ronnie was there. Oh, Bryce or Bryce.

[Damaris]

Bryce, I think. Bryce.

[Rory]

Say, isn't Bronnie working right now?

[Mal]

He's refusing to work.

[Damaris]

Ronnie doesn't play road games. You know, his contract right now, it's. It bron him up so much, man.

[Julian]

Wait, what happened? He doesn't play road game.

[Damaris]

Well, you see, they bumped him down to the G League, but now Bronnie travel with the team. He only plays home games in LA, but he gets paid $10 million.

[Mal]

55.

[Rory]

Listen, man. 55th pick, an NBA draft. I like it. Nepotism. Finally, we experience it.

[Mal]

So wait, this kid is saying LeBron James Jr. Was there?

[Damaris]

He hugged him.

[Mal]

Can you keep playing this? I'm sorry.

[Julian]

With that. They wouldn't let me get my son. Security would block me. The person in charge of.

[Damaris]

Oh, stop.

[Julian]

Of telling me what's supposed to go on was saying that my son was crying because he didn't get no food, which was that.

[Damaris]

That's funny. That's Funny. That's funny.

[Julian]

I'm not going.

[Rory]

So let me. So let me guess. Now they're trying to sue guys.

[Damaris]

Yeah, they're just trying to find.

[Rory]

They're trying to sue. They're trying to sue Drew Skin.

[Julian]

Now they're probably.

[Mal]

Kai.

[Damaris]

Go for Kai. Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, okay. Sue Kai for.

[Julian]

That's an amazing opportunity. And if you were smart, you would, like, make your son a new Terrio, but, like, success.

[Mal]

Like, you would, like, like, like what?

[Rory]

You said, make your son a new Terrio, but, like, if you were smart.

[Mal]

You capitalize this moment and ruin your.

[Rory]

Son'S life isn't Lean into the algorithm lady.

[Damaris]

I think Terry's playing college football.

[Mal]

Well, he definitely got healthier, which is great to see.

[Damaris]

He's an nil.

[Mal]

He definitely had a rough childhood.

[Julian]

Did you guys see. So I. Also on Kai. Kai was going crazy this weekend. The magician that, like, did the trick, like, he hung. Like he hung himself.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Oh, shit. I saw that.

[Julian]

And Kai was fucking freaking. Do you guys believe that it was. Do you guys believe it was real, or do you think it was all staged?

[Damaris]

Do you think.

[Mal]

Yeah, I think this entire thing was staged.

[Damaris]

Everything is staged.

[Mal]

Which, I mean, is fine. I'm not shitting on them for thinking it's staged. It's just staged.

[Julian]

I wouldn't be surprised if Kai's team knew. But Kai didn't know.

[Mal]

I'm. I'm really into magicians. Pause. Like, I think, you know. Well, just because I didn't like your tricks doesn't mean you have to ao me. You're not my type. That's all more of a craft of magicians. But there's that other side of it that's, like. It's not magic. Like, when David Blaine would, like, sit in a box for, like, six years or whatever, like, that wasn't. It's not magic.

[Rory]

Don't do that. Don't. Because you definitely went to Times Square when David Blaine was out there for a week.

[Mal]

I. I tuned in. I did not.

[Rory]

No, no, you went downtown. See, that's why I can't fuck with Rory. He's lying. You definitely went down there. You went to Times Square to look at David Blaine in that box right outside of the MTV studios. Don't lie.

[Mal]

I. I maybe peeked in, like, Jerry Jones, of course, to see what was going on.

[Rory]

Of course you did.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, Some of that stuff. Like. But that isn't magic to me. It's just, like, what the.

[Damaris]

He does. David Blaine does endurance stunts. It's not so much magic. It Is as it is like training your body to survive and.

[Mal]

But he does the magic stuff too. That other side, this water thing, like, this isn't magic.

[Damaris]

This is like. No, it's training your.

[Mal]

Stunningly crazy. But when he was just now, wasn't he in Vegas just sitting in a box?

[Damaris]

He buried himself alive a few times. Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah, but for like a week.

[Mal]

That's not magic. That's like, what are you.

[Rory]

But I always love how he looks when he's like three days in, breaks through the grave, and his eyes are like fucking sunken into his head. He hasn't had any water, any food. It's like, what are you doing this for?

[Damaris]

He buried himself alive for seven days, and then he froze himself in a block of ice for three days. Like Austin Powers.

[Rory]

Why?

[Mal]

Like, that's not a magician.

[Rory]

That's just.

[Mal]

What are you doing?

[Rory]

I ain't gonna lie. I'm too claustrophobic for that. Burying yourself alive.

[Damaris]

He spent 63 hours in this.

[Julian]

He's just like.

[Mal]

It was a double mirror. It was. It was toasting there.

[Rory]

Yeah, that was. That was like a space heater. No, that was with a hologram.

[Damaris]

That's what getting into my bed felt like. Last night.

[Mal]

What was. It was a Discovery Channel.

[Rory]

Your house was cold.

[Damaris]

It's freezing in there right now. I mean, I've been gone. So I came home last night and I got my bed. It was like. It was like someone threw my bed in the ocean.

[Julian]

It was. Aw, Date thick women.

[Damaris]

It was awful.

[Rory]

Somebody threw my best.

[Damaris]

Slept in like this.

[Mal]

I just laid right on top of you.

[Julian]

You need a thick thigh, keep it warm at night.

[Damaris]

I do. I did not have one. I slept alone.

[Mal]

One with melanin.

[Rory]

See, white girl's too thin. Like, he was laying next to a.

[Julian]

With a snow cone.

[Rory]

And yeah, he was laying next to a cold spoon.

[Mal]

And our skin can't process heat and trap it. It just burns us. We can't give heat out.

[Damaris]

How did this become David Blaine?

[Rory]

Because you are David Blaine.

[Mal]

Since you started out as a magician. Your next. Or what'd you call it? Body endurance. Endurance would be that you would finally sleep with a black woman.

[Damaris]

My version of that is, how long can I stay in bed with a black.

[Rory]

How long could you cuddle next to a black one?

[Mal]

That would be yours 63 hours.

[Rory]

How long can you cuddle with a black woman?

[Damaris]

It's just me holding my breath.

[Julian]

Now. If I was to slap the shit out of him, I'd be wrong, right?

[Rory]

No, you wouldn't. I would fight to keep you goddamn bit.

[Mal]

Be a race you so funny is the only people that be impressed would be his lower east side white friends. Like, how is he doing that?

[Rory]

He's so brave.

[Mal]

I'm not sure if we should keep this or not, but keep it.

[Rory]

It.

[Julian]

Oh, uo.

[Rory]

It's a joke.

[Damaris]

We were doing a joke. I don't. Look, go ahead, clip it.

[Mal]

What, Andrew, what was the. It was honestly, just. Just jokes. We love everybody. What was that? Discovery channel.

[Julian]

We know you.

[Rory]

That sound believable.

[Mal]

Yeah, I love everybody.

[Rory]

Of course you do. I do too.

[Mal]

What was the Discovery One where they would do the magic trick and then show you how they did it. I used to hate that. Like, at least let me believe that he caught a bullet with his mouth.

[Rory]

That was the mask.

[Damaris]

The masked magician loved him.

[Rory]

I wonder, did they ever find out who the masked magician is, though?

[Mal]

No, they showed us how he did every trick, but we didn't never got his I.D.

[Damaris]

Val Valentino. Wow.

[Julian]

He looks like.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

With a name like Val Valentino, you.

[Mal]

Have to be somebody in the witness protection program.

[Damaris]

He got his off.

[Mal]

That's Val under the makeup.

[Rory]

I ain't gonna lie. I like the masked magician, though, because I always did one like, how do they do that?

[Mal]

But they did that whole snitch where they showed it.

[Rory]

Is that snitching how they showed, like, the. Yeah, he's showing everybody's tricks to the.

[Damaris]

He's like the Carlos Mencia of a magician.

[Mal]

But then it would be. It would get me tight too, because there's some tricks that I can respect, even though I don't like it, that David Blaine actually buried himself alive, like, 10 times. That's crazy that he survived that. They would show that catch the bullet thing, and they'd be like, oh, legitimately. No. This is where they turn the camera off and he puts a bullet in his mouth. I'm like, all right, man. There's not even a talent to this illusion.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's just camera tricks.

[Mal]

And I was like, yeah, we put a bullet in the gun, and then we stopped the camera and put a blank in, like, all right, well, then what the is the point of this? I could do this at my house.

[Damaris]

Could you use that on the set of Rust?

[Rory]

My favorite. My favorite thing was like, how do we make an entire studio audience disappear?

[Mal]

Or.

[Damaris]

Yeah, just move the camera. Remember that? It was on a dolly. They just moved the camera. They're like, where are the 600 people? It's like they're behind the camera.

[Mal]

Oh, was that in Good Morning America or something?

[Damaris]

No, it was on this.

[Mal]

And also, all you have to do to train to do this trick is pretend to get hit with a bullet.

[Rory]

That's it. That's all it is.

[Damaris]

This is so funny.

[Mal]

What was the Good Morning America one where they like made twins out of everyone and then they just showed like. Oh, yeah. No, they just like went in another corridor and then they had actual twins.

[Rory]

Yeah, they were all real twins. Yeah, they casted a whole bunch of twins that day.

[Mal]

The trick was, hey, we're going to duplicate these people. And they hired twins.

[Rory]

It's still magic, though.

[Mal]

No, it's not.

[Rory]

It is.

[Mal]

It's. It's casting that's magic.

[Damaris]

Rory, you were talking about magic bullets and guns. Mall. Did you guys see that?

[Mal]

I took JFK out Over how?

[Damaris]

Over the holiday, Dababy was teaching his 6 year old how to shoot some magic bullets.

[Julian]

I think they were just regular bullets, but yeah.

[Damaris]

Rory, you have a daughter.

[Rory]

I like it.

[Damaris]

In five years, would you let Amara shoot a gun?

[Mal]

Probably not. Oh, but we live in New York. Yeah. North Carolina. This may be.

[Rory]

This is standard this year. That's.

[Mal]

I don't want to judge. Something that's probably extremely regular in the woods of North Carolina.

[Rory]

That's standard.

[Julian]

And I think more than anything. Sorry, if I want to interrupt you. It's because of safety, because everybody in the south does have a gun. You're going to go to your cousin's house, they're going to have guns. So I'd rather you know how to operate it and how to handle it.

[Damaris]

How to kill my cousin first. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

Like, you know. You know when you smoke weed and you grab a gun, be like, nothing can hurt me. Like, I don't want that to happen.

[Julian]

No, they don't. But. They don't. But see, that's the thing, Julian. Down in the south, they don't look at. They don't play with guns like that because they are so familiar with them. So kids don't play with guns like they do in other places.

[Damaris]

I would bet, statistically, if we look at most gun accident, that's are probably in the South.

[Mal]

And that's why stats are stupid. Because there's way more guns in the South.

[Damaris]

That's my point. Just cuz you're. Just because it's a part of your culture and there's more guns doesn't mean you know how to properly use them.

[Mal]

No, of course, but that's why I'm not against teaching your kids young how to handle something that's always around them. Yeah, yeah. Six is. You know, I can see someone being like, six is a little. Really?

[Rory]

A little what? My cousins was hunting at nine in the South. Literally.

[Damaris]

Hunting different than six, though.

[Rory]

I'm just saying it's the same. They probably learned how to shoot numbers.

[Mal]

Flipped. Yeah.

[Rory]

That's all it is.

[Mal]

Same thing. Yeah.

[Julian]

Six upside down. It's a nine.

[Mal]

It's a nine now.

[Damaris]

That's why Drake made that song. It's about hunting in the South.

[Rory]

Exactly.

[Mal]

It's in the paperwork. That specific song.

[Rory]

That. That one.

[Mal]

That's what you thought it was. Not like us. No, it was that one. Because UMG was flipping the numbers.

[Julian]

You what?

[Rory]

I like that. I like that. Good shot, Rory.

[Julian]

Came to pod. Him burnt. Came to pod.

[Mal]

It's just the medication, I guess. That's a good segue. There's been some updates since. Because last time we recorded was when the news broke with the Drake court filing with umg.

[Damaris]

The first one.

[Mal]

Yes, the first one. And then the following day a new one, which I believe was only in Texas. I don't think it was in New York. Filed a defamation case against UMG for the things that was said about him on the record. Not like us. We did a quick breakdown on last episode. I'm down to get into more detail since some time has passed and the dust has settled. As far as the first filing action. I'm still with Drake all the way. I see people, rightfully so, saying, all right, this is all just because he took an L. He's not really for artists. This is a selfish move. This is him being butthurt. Let's say that's the case in your hypothetical situation or what you think. I don't care. Cool. If he's doing this for selfish reasons, I still think it's going to benefit everyone in the long run. So I fully support it. I don't know him. Neither do you guys. So who knows his real reasons? I think it's fine to speculate. And I could could totally see someone come to the conclusion he's doing this because he's hurt. I still do not care if that ends up being the actual reason. This could unveil. Unveil. This could reveal so much stuff that can help all of us within the music industry. So I don't care if he's doing it just for Aubrey Graham. The results could help us all. Yeah, I'm not saying he is. This tirade going against the industry, and I'm not saying he's that either. I'm just saying I think this is going to be great for all of us. If it happened because of a rap battle, so be it. I also understand why people are upset at the defamation thing. I don't know what it's like to be called a pedophile when you're not one. So I can't really put too much credence on Drake for being upset about that, because if someone called me a pedophile and I'm not, I'd probably prove to you guys that I'm not a pedophile. With that said, it was a rap battle. So it's weird.

[Rory]

But is it weird if the label you're signed to that you generated so much money for, for 15 years and you're now in the middle of renegotiation? If they use this tactic to kind of say, okay, well, your value is kind of down at this point.

[Mal]

Yeah, I can see that angle, which I think a lot of people are ignoring. I think that's a great point, Mal, that Drake is trying to say that the pedophile angle was pumped up. Up from UMG to try to devalue the negotiation that they were going through currently.

[Rory]

Right.

[Mal]

To lower his value. I can totally see that. It's just when people read, which they don't read everything, Drake is suing for defamation because of a rap battle. It looks insane.

[Rory]

That's. That's public perception.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And, and, and I get now, you know, with social media and everybody has access to and has a phone, everybody, you know, feels like they can chime in. So public perception is loud. It's louder than it's ever been these days. But if you have a contract and you have a legal, legal document binding you and a company, and there's certain things that were violated during this whole thing within your contract, you're well within your rights to be petitioning that label and saying, hey, you guys directly violated our contract with each other during this whole thing. Like, it's interesting because, you know, people are like, oh, they know Drake is mad he lost. Well, y'all said he lost the Pusha battle, right? No lawsuit came of that. So you gotta know that this situation is totally different. Obviously, there's something that was directly violated between him and his contract with umg.

[Mal]

But also drastically different battles because there wasn't any real defamation within. You are. Hiding a child is not. Not grounds for defamation, more of a revelation.

[Rory]

I understand that, but also, but also, was he. Was he in the middle of renegotiations at that time?

[Mal]

No.

[Rory]

Did, did, umg. Put money behind.

[Mal]

I think the only defamation he could have done was that rumor that he was going to use his son as, like, an Adidas press line and that. And then he said Adidas and went with Nike, because I guess that got. There was rumors that Adidas was the ones that told everyone about the hidden kid or whatever. Either way, that would have been the only case. Do you find it odd with the verbiage of defamation when one could say Drake did the same to Kendrick? Leave UMG out of this. Drake also said things that could be, you know, a clause for defamation if Kendrick did not do those.

[Rory]

Yeah, but did the label put money behind Family Matters? And is Kendrick in the middle of negotiating his contract with the same label?

[Mal]

Oh, I know the answer. I just wanted you to say it.

[Rory]

No, but that's why. That's what people are not understanding about this thing. It's not about what Kendrick said. It's, yeah, Kendrick said this, but then the label amplified that to try to assassinate my character because I'm going through a renegotiation. Renegotiation with them at the. At the point in time.

[Mal]

Yep.

[Rory]

And the number I asked for is probably something that probably he's absolutely worth, But UMG is like, we don't want to pay him that.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Because what did they give him his last deal? 400 million, 500 million, something like that?

[Damaris]

Yeah, I believe it was four.

[Mal]

We think he's probably asking for at least.

[Rory]

He's probably asking for at least double that.

[Mal]

Oh, I think Drake would be asking for a billion dollars. Rightfully so.

[Rory]

Rightfully so. And UMG probably is like, we can't give him a billion dollars, because if we give him a billion dollars, that might open the floodgate for other artists to feel like, well, shit, y'all gave Drake a billion dollars. I could at least get 250.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You understand what I'm saying? So I just think that people don't understand that it's just a business thing behind this. And again, you have some things maybe in this contract to where you can't post my home on the streaming platform with fucking sex offender pin drops above it. Like, what if he has. What if that's in his contract and they directly violated that? Is he wrong?

[Mal]

Yeah. It just has the regular public that. That doesn't particularly care about music business stuff. They're just music consumers and fans. They want to be entertained. Would look at the history of rap and all the things that could be labeled as defamation down to, like, what PAC was even going to do. With the Machiavelli cover with Puff and Big like fucking each other on the back cover.

[Rory]

Yeah, but Rory, you go back. Go back to when we first. Because we were talking about this shit since what may. One of the first things I said was a disc record went number one. That was the most. That was the oddest thing to.

[Mal]

We've.

[Rory]

We've. Well, I'm old enough to have seen the Pac and Biggie Beef. Neither one of those records went number one.

[Damaris]

Okay, but let go number one.

[Julian]

Megan's Diss to Nikki went number one as well. Didn't back to back the first number ones this year, huh?

[Mal]

On the rap charts. Maybe Not Like Us went number one on Billboard. Correct.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Didn't back to back.

[Mal]

It's crazy. We had Google.

[Rory]

Yeah, I don't.

[Mal]

Back to back. I don't go number.

[Rory]

Megan's song went number one on.

[Mal]

Okay, but also let's add some context having that same conversation in May when it went number one. We had said before that this is the first time in rap history that the two biggest stars, period, 1a, 1b that have surpassed hip hop were ever battling. Like Jay and Nas of course, were huge at that time. But they were not what Drake and Kendrick are as far as optics numbers who they are in music for sure. So it would not shock me if a diss record went number one coming from the two biggest rappers we've ever had.

[Damaris]

His debuted number one. Who did the Megan record?

[Mal]

Billboard, period.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Julian]

Like over at Dell Global 200, it went number one. Thank you.

[Rory]

Really?

[Julian]

Y'all make me. Y'all make me have to go crazy for Meg. Like, I hate that. Y'all make me.

[Rory]

I had no idea that song was number one.

[Julian]

It went number one. One debuted at number one. Yes.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Julian]

Obviously the success of Not Like Us, cuz Not Like Us stayed on the charts for a really long time. His one number one. Roy, you don't have to double check. We have it right here.

[Damaris]

Rock Nation. Bots1 added.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah. This is has to be Rock Nation.

[Damaris]

Put this in.

[Rory]

This has to be. This has to be Rock Nation.

[Mal]

Hov might remix Not Like Us this late in the game just to stop being revealed of the bots.

[Rory]

Is that Meg's only number one?

[Damaris]

No, I believe it was her.

[Mal]

Savage definitely won number one. Yeah, I always get confused if Wap is Cardi's or Megan's. Like they never made it clear.

[Rory]

I think that was Megan's.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Julian]

No, Wap was Cardi.

[Damaris]

No, Wap was. Well, they were both primary artists on the record, but it's technically a Cardi record. It's her third number one. The last time she went number one was Wop.

[Mal]

No. Damaris. I apologize. I. I would have never guessed. I could see it going number one on the rap Billboard charts for sure, but I didn't. I didn't even feel like it was even close to Megan's biggest song.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's why I'm like.

[Mal]

I didn't even think Megan's had far bigger records.

[Julian]

To me, it was a Nicki Minaj dish, y'all.

[Rory]

Fair.

[Julian]

It's all everybody talked about for a while. Like I said, it didn't have the staying power. It didn't stay number one for long, but, yeah, it went number one.

[Mal]

Okay, well, either way, back to the original point of. I could still see it going number one with or without Bots, just because that was the craziest week in hip hop. That record was the one that was probably the most of us.

[Rory]

Not Like Us you talking about.

[Mal]

Yeah, Not Like Us was a song. Like, Euphoria was like, what, seven minutes long? Family Matters. Seven minutes long. Meet the Grams? Way too long. As far as something that would stay on the charts. Not Like Us was a bop and part of the biggest rap battle of all time. I can see that going number one with or without the Bots, but clearly it seems like there was some. Some foul play. We can all just be objective. It appears like that happened 100%.

[Rory]

But we. We spoke to that before, though, and.

[Mal]

You know, I know people's perception of this pod and everything that's been going on. Speaking myself, I feel like I've been very objective, and I'm viewing this solely as what I was reading in the paperwork. Cap, what have I not been objective about in this battle?

[Damaris]

I'm just playing this Internet narrative. No, you have been. I. I have nothing to say.

[Mal]

Whereas the same day Kendrick's album came out that I. I love, I'm still on Drake's side when it comes to this paperwork. Like, it makes all the sense in the world if you take it away from the battle. Now, I understand fans and consumers don't care to separate those two things, especially when Not Like Us is in the paperwork. I just view it way different. I think this is something that's extremely important, and if it comes off the legs of someone, quote, unquote, taking an L and. And feeling butt hurt, I still do not care. Yeah, I think this is amazing. I think this will reveal a whole bunch of shit that we need to know in the Music industry.

[Rory]

I just did. You had spoke to it because you had posted a video on your ig. I just don't understand why people all of a sudden are against artists, like, suing their labels. Like, since when did we trust and have like this upstanding faith that our labels are doing right by the artists and things like that. Like, since when did that happen again?

[Mal]

Being objective, just watching the Internet over this whole holiday weekend, you guys have claimed that this pod is biased, dick riders, all this. You guys proved over this week that that's what you guys are.

[Rory]

Oh, 100%.

[Mal]

When did we all of a sudden start saying the labels are these great people? And how could we? Yeah, Drake is a snitch to a label.

[Rory]

Labels that do artists dirty. I watched a record contract is fucked all the way around, period.

[Mal]

I watched all of the timeline for seven years. Justify snitching on street shit. But now we draw the line when it comes to snitching on a label that's been fucking over artists since the beginning of fucking time.

[Rory]

Right?

[Mal]

When did everyone become this label friendly? They're here to do right by all the artists. They're fucking over the consumers too. As far as what you pay for and what you get in return, everyone's getting fucked here. When did we start loving the labels?

[Rory]

But you understand it, though, it's cool to hate Drake right now. That's what the public perception is that Drake, he lost. He's this corny Canadian and he's not of the culture and he just attaches himself to people to kind of be a part of the culture. That's just what the noise is.

[Julian]

Cool.

[Rory]

And if you feel like that, great. You're entitled to that. But we have to remember this is an artist suing his label because him and his team, his lawyers, which we can all assume in this room that Drake's business is intact and that he has lawyers that know what the hell they're doing.

[Mal]

I would think so.

[Rory]

So if they're petitioning because they feel like the label violated his contract, I just don't understand how the public doesn't understand and agree with that. Like, yeah, the labels usually fuck the artist over at some point. It just so happens that here's the biggest artist in the world because people feel like, oh, well, Drake, you already have so much money. Just shut up and sit down. Like, that's what I'm seeing online. Like, yo, you're already the most streamed and have been on top for this many years. And this, that and the third da da da. Da. You should just take this loss and. Okay, you talking about still a rap battle, but what if something in his contract is violated and the label has to pay? He's not supposed to say, hey, y'all did this. This goes against my contract. Cause if he did something that went against his contract, I can promise you the labels would have him in court.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Now that it's reversed, people are saying, oh, he needs to take his loss like a man and just sit down and like, what? But he has a contract. This is business that was violated that his lawyers found. And they're saying, hey, y'all did this. This violates Drake's contract. You need to pay for this.

[Mal]

And off that. Another narrative I was seeing since last week, since this was announced is Drake has probably benefited off this system as well. Yeah, probably. So. So what? Okay. If he wants to sacrifice himself for this entire thing, great. He's the only artist that could be able to do this. So if he wants to do it, more power to him, because again, I think it'll help us. Have you ever seen 16 blocks with Bruce Willis and Yassin Bay at the end when he goes to testify in court and Most Def finds out that he's also one of the cops that is under trial that he's going to snitch against? And Bruce Willis is like, yeah, I'm the one. I participated in all these murders, all this crime. I was. I was with the crew. If Drake wants to go be Bruce Willis, I'm fine with that. Yeah, tell on everyone. You've been here for 15 years. You know everything that's going on. You have the most power, the most money of any artist outside of Taylor Swift. If I'm sure Drake knows that bots have been somewhat around his career at some point. Even during the Pusha T battle, I remember being there being bots everywhere on the timeline. You said Pusha T's name a million ovo bots were killing you in your mentions. So cool. If Drake is fine with exposing all this at the expense of people saying, hey, you did it too. So I don't care. Yeah, why should I care about that?

[Rory]

Yeah, I mean, you know, and again, I understand public perception, but, you know, people have to understand business. We talking about one of the biggest artists in the world, one of the biggest, if not the biggest label, music label in the world. And if his lawyers feel like his contract was violated, I just don't understand how people don't agree with them going after that and saying, hey, y'all have to pay him because y'all violated his contract?

[Damaris]

Yeah, a lot of people. Because I said some things as well on Twitter, and some people were like, it's 400 million. Like, shut the fuck up. And I was like, well, like, that's not. I was like, look, like, we. Everyone. I said to the guy back, I said, I assume you have a job and your job pays you, but I'm sure you have problems with your job. Just because your jobs, like, just because Drake's worth is 400 or $500 million doesn't mean problems don't happen. Problems happen. Regardless of how big the paycheck is. You can still have gripes. And to your point, if something is violated, if a term that you'd once agreed upon was violated, then you have the right to fucking react. Just so it happens that everything Drake does is a public thing.

[Julian]

And I think people. When you have all of that money and you have all of that status, you also have a lot of people working for you. So, yeah, $400 million to Drake means a lot because I have to pay people out. I'm in charge of supporting people's. Not only my family, but other people's families. So, yes, every dollar does fucking matter. Like, what are we talking about here?

[Rory]

And not only that. If my contract that we both agreed upon was.

[Mal]

I don't care if it's $1 or 1 billion.

[Rory]

Yeah. Like, it's like my contract was violated. Like, y'all did something. Y'all allowed my. A picture of my home to go up on DSPs and stay there with sex offender marks above my home. Like that. When. When, When. When Jaguar Wright went on Piers Morgan and said what she said about Jay and Beyonce. Woo.

[Julian]

Got her out of here and out the paint.

[Rory]

That's just like, yo, like, what? Like, first of all, get her out of. What is she talking about? Like, that can't. Shapiro. The next day, Shapiro was like, yo, listen, y'all gotta play with something safe. This ain't. This ain't that. We not even playing. We not playing that game. Like, is that. Did Jay and Beyonce snitch on Jaguar?

[Mal]

Right?

[Rory]

Like that. It's just. So what do you. That is violating. You cannot do that. Y'all cannot do that to these artists. Drake is saying the same thing. Hey, I have a contract with y'all.

[Mal]

And to the dollar now, too. Like, fuck the dollar. At what point, like, do you draw the line when money's fucked up? Like, if it's. If it's a $20 difference and you don't call out what's wrong here that can just continue the fuck on because we've already compromised that. Money issues are fine. If it's just a small amount or a big amount, you just have to go off. This is wrong or this is right.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So I don't. 400 million. They're also playing in a business that is above us financially. Yeah. We would be pissed off about a couple thousand dollars they run around with. Billion dollars.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So all their discrepancies and anything that could go wrong within them is going to be at a billion dollar value because that's the world they live in. Just because we don't live in that world and we would go, yeah, I'll take 400 million. Doesn't mean it's correct in their world.

[Rory]

Right.

[Mal]

That's the type of money they play with. That's what lawsuits will look like. It'll look like 400 million.

[Rory]

Do you think.

[Mal]

Look like a billion dollars.

[Rory]

Do you think that this con. This. This petition that came out, do you think that this adds to any reason why Kendrick dropped the album when he did and why Not Like Us isn't on the album?

[Mal]

No.

[Damaris]

No, no, no.

[Rory]

You think it has no correlation?

[Damaris]

No. No.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Julian]

I don't think it was ever we. But we all said that. I don't think it was ever going to be on.

[Mal]

My correlation was the opposite. Which. Boy, did I have my tinfoil hat on? I sent it over to you. Pull up the whacked out murals I sent it to over the holiday weekend.

[Rory]

Now.

[Mal]

Now, I'm. I'm of the belief that I told.

[Rory]

Roy you had a tinfoil durag on.

[Damaris]

Where am I going?

[Mal]

I am of the belief that Kendrick did know about this lawsuit before anyone else did, even though he's not really in the paperwork. Not like us is. He also has a deal with umg. Umg. So I think he. It was brought to his attention before it was brought to anyone else's. Now, I don't think he dropped any music because of that, but I think on the chorus of whacked out murals, he was encouraging Drake going up your rank. Going right up to Lucien. Up your rank over there. Know you a God, six God, you know, even when they say you ain't. Yeah. Keep your feelings out of the way. I think Drake felt away about that. But keep your feelings out that I called you a pedophile. Don't let no one.

[Rory]

Wait, Stop right there. How do you keep your feelings out of that? Somebody calls you a pedophile. Like, what do you mean keep Your feelings out of it.

[Mal]

Go sue. Get your. Your feelings aren't. There's no emotions in them. Fucking up a negotiation you have with your label. There's no feelings. And how. Yo you mad because I did this or that? Get your feelings in this battle out of the way. Don't let anyone put smut on your name. Keep your head down.

[Rory]

AKA don't let me call you a pedophile. The. Go sue your label.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Okay. I'm just trying to figure out where your brain was at.

[Mal]

Oh, it's the furthest reach of all time.

[Rory]

Yeah. All kind of ligaments to your shoulder with that.

[Mal]

No, absolutely. But I think when it started with yo going up your rank, I think that goes directly to Lucian. Going up your rank over there. Go ask for what you deserve over there. You're a God even when they say you ain't, because they're saying, we're not going to give you the value of what you want in this negotiation. Look what happened. You are a quote unquote pedophile. You're not worth this billion that you're. That you're asking for. This is all ledger, by the way. You're still a God over there. Like, don't let them ever do that. Keep your feelings out the way. Go sue. Don't let anyone put smut on your name. Go do the defamation case. Don't let no one put no smut on your name like that. That's crazy. I called you a pedophile. Don't let nobody do that shit. Go sue the label.

[Julian]

Rory, I would be 1 5th with you, right?

[Mal]

This is just speculation amongst friends to just.

[Julian]

Of course, yeah, yeah, I.

[Mal]

But not even making content. I just. I thought it was interesting.

[Damaris]

It's Rory off the hookah at the crib.

[Mal]

Yeah, go ahead, Mar.

[Julian]

If he's doing that, he's doing it in a mocking way. It's not in a loving way. It's in a very much mocking.

[Mal]

Kendrick is very sarcastic.

[Julian]

So, yeah, he. Because he does hate Drake. So, like, that's like, he's not gonna fake up. This is fake uplifting. And, like, he will fake uplift somebody like Cole or somebody else with a fake rap battle, but he really despises Drake.

[Mal]

Fair. You know what? I will fully take that.

[Julian]

That.

[Mal]

Yes, he could be saying this in a very condescending way, but I did attach this with the timing to the lawsuit. So, yeah, he could be sarcastic on this.

[Rory]

Yeah, I don't feel all right, so. Cause I do believe Kendrick seeing a lot of people say, oh, they feel like this is just the filler until the album comes out closer to the Super Bowl. I don't think it'll be a whole new project. I think he'll do a deluxe of this album. I think he'll add some songs. Y'all really don't believe that this lawsuit. Obviously he knew that the lawsuit was coming. Cause he. He signed UMG as well. I'm pretty sure they reached out and let. Let him know that a lawsuit was coming. Yeah, I don't think the lawsuit that's naming that particular song in the lawsuit. And Drake is saying what the label did as far as putting millions of dollars behind that record, pushing it to kind of, you know, bring his value down. Because he's in negotiations with them currently.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't think if he leaves that off the album. His biggest song ever. I don't know when an artist biggest song ever was left off of their project. Y'all don't think that that has something to do with it?

[Julian]

No.

[Mal]

That is crazy because I think that would make. That would make Drake look even crazier if he put not like us on there. And then because of this. Because it's only a petition now. It's not even really a lawsuit.

[Rory]

Right.

[Mal]

But let's say it was a lawsuit and it went through. That they would have to take that off the album while things were in litigation. I think that would make Drake look even crazier with this give me my ball back, no one can play type of accusations he has now. Which, again, I think that energy is great. All right, we're gonna.

[Rory]

But answer. When has an artist ever left their biggest song off of their album?

[Julian]

Kendrick is not the typical artist, though.

[Damaris]

Tommy Richmond just did it.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I feel like there's a Beyonce project. No formation. They just threw at the end as a bonus. Yeah.

[Julian]

But Kendrick is not the typical artist. Mall. And that's what we were telling you before we even heard anything about this lawsuit. When we had this argument with you and we said that we think he's gonna leave it album. Our point still stands po Pre lawsuit that he's not that type of artist. Kendrick likes to provide bodies of work. And providing a body of work with a song like that that has what it has attached to it. It just doesn't go with what I think his vision would be. That's why I never thought that it would be on.

[Mal]

And they changed the rules a bit too. Where before that it would really behoove artists because whatever their single sales would be added to Their album.

[Julian]

Yeah. It will take you to number one.

[Mal]

That changed. There's still a small percentage. I think that's taken. But that. That rule changed.

[Damaris]

It doesn't really go towards consumption.

[Mal]

Yeah. So it's not. It's not really a huge deal to put it on there.

[Rory]

I don't care about.

[Mal]

And I think he replaced it. Not to say it's going to have the same effect whatsoever. They have TV off like squat. You didn't. You didn't need Not Like Us.

[Rory]

That's in the same vein.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Same record to me and minus the pedophile shit.

[Mal]

Yeah. I mean, it's extremely close.

[Rory]

Same energy, same type of vibe.

[Mal]

I actually prefer it, to be honest.

[Rory]

TV off over.

[Mal]

Not Like Us. Yeah.

[Julian]

What about Squabble Up? How do you feel? Squabble up is number one in the country right now, right?

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

Squabble up is great. All right. But to your point as well, does this affect the Super Bowl? Now, if this leaves a petition and goes to an actual case, I'm assuming. I do not know, but I assume the super bowl has to clear every song that an artist performs at after time. Yeah, I would. I would imagine TV rights, everything. That song has to be cleared to be performed. I don't know what that looks like. We would have to ask a lawyer. But I can. We can all assume he would not be allowed to perform that. That song would not be cleared if there's legal action with it. Same way if. If there was a sample clearance problem. You can't perform that song at the super bowl until that is cleared. Let's play.

[Rory]

Let's play the number. Let's play the numbers game. Not that I care about it. Do we. Do we feel like. And this is just us having a conversation. Do we feel like the. The numbers and the energy around Not Like Us reflect Kendrick's first week album sales?

[Damaris]

Oh, you're saying the. What the magnitude of not like us was versus.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

What did they do?

[Mal]

Like 300 something, 24 something. It's pretty on par outside of. Damn. It's pretty on par for. For Kendrick.

[Damaris]

I will say like not like.

[Julian]

And it was a surprise drop.

[Damaris]

Not Like Us was an anomaly. And I'm on the side of. Look, they fudged the numbers. They were selling ads at a lower clip. I get all that. Assuming everything Drake said is true, my argument still is that you can't fake cultural relevancy. Like, I've worked at a label. We've put thousands of dollars, sometimes millions into a record, and you can't trick people into thinking something, something, either it is or it isn't. When something, something, you can add fire to it and make it bigger than it already is. But you can't, like, trick people into what the culture is, quote, unquote feeling. That record had everybody, I don't think. Like, it needed all this juice and boost and all this, like, stuff that Drake is.

[Rory]

Well, it had everybody because it's. It was part of one of the biggest battles in.

[Damaris]

Of course. No, I'm saying all that. All that with it, like, it's all. That's what made this song what it was. I think if Kendrick explores out randomly, like, why this isn't. This doesn't sound like Kendrick. Obviously, a lot of it has to deal with this moment, but that moment was the moment and it was perfect for what the beef. Like, it was perfect at the time. And I don't think it needed what Drake's accusing them may have happened. And I do think that stuff is true, but I don't think that song needed that to be this successful. It was such a fucking. Like, it was.

[Mal]

I do agree with you. That song was going to be great organically, no matter what. But leaning more into, like, all these crazy brands that would never fuck with hip hop.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Starting attaching themselves to it. A lot of that, from a brand's perspective, goes to numbers. So if they're getting a report of what that song is doing, they'll take the risk of saying, all right, we. We can put this song against certain ads. We can put billboards up that have the lyrics. Like, we saw a bunch of brands attach themselves to that.

[Damaris]

I mean, even.

[Mal]

That only happens if the numbers match the risk. So if the numbers are fake, a lot of brands aren't going to push that record the way they were pushing it without fudge numbers.

[Damaris]

I don't know.

[Mal]

I don't think with the culture, it affects anything. I think that record surpassing this rap battle to the point that a lot of people probably didn't even know that this was a Drake diss when they first heard it. If you're outside of hip hop, yeah, I think fudging the numbers added to that.

[Rory]

If you're Kendrick. If you're Kendrick. Are you upset that Beyonce's performing at the halftime on Christmas?

[Julian]

Why.

[Mal]

Why would it be?

[Rory]

Because I think her numbers, her viewership will be higher than his.

[Julian]

I don't think that a Christmas game is gonna get bigger views than the Super Bowl.

[Mal]

Even if it's Beyonce's.

[Julian]

Even if it's Beyonce it's the super bowl, man.

[Rory]

Huh?

[Julian]

It's the Super Bowl.

[Rory]

It's Beyonce.

[Julian]

It's the Super Bowl.

[Rory]

It's Beyonce. Beyonce's bigger than the Super Bowl.

[Julian]

I'm a Beyonce fan. I'm telling you that it's still the Super Bowl. It's not gonna happen outside.

[Rory]

This is Beyonce. First time she's gonna give us cow on Netflix.

[Julian]

I think that the numbers are going to be insane. But it's still the Super Bowl.

[Rory]

But I'm saying, if you're Kendrick, you don't feel the type of like, damn, why would y'all? That's December. Mine is in February. Like, no, no, I don't even think.

[Mal]

Matter of fact. Great. Now you're just adding more credence of artists performing at halftime at NFL games to get people that typically wouldn't watch NFL games and are just music fans to watch NFL games.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Now, what do you think is the second most important thing at the super bowl that brings viewership besides the game?

[Rory]

Game ads.

[Mal]

Commercials. Super bowl commercials. Are it one of the biggest ones?

[Rory]

The Super Bowl?

[Mal]

I know, but one of the biggest ones during the Super Bowl.

[Julian]

Oh, like alcohol, Doritos, Verizon.

[Mal]

When are the biggest commercials?

[Rory]

Right before the halftime.

[Mal]

Right before halftime. Right after halftime. Like, sandwiched between the performance. People, no matter whether they know who Kendrick Lamar or not, are going to be sitting there for commercials.

[Rory]

Who had the biggest. Biggest commercial last year?

[Mal]

Kanye.

[Julian]

Beyonce.

[Rory]

No, Beyonce had the big. She announced that.

[Mal]

I mean, she announced it too, but no, I thought I read that that Kanye iPhone surpassed Beyonce.

[Julian]

It might have been Kanye's. It might. You're right. It might be Kanye's. Beyonce's was close. Her Verizon one was close, but I think it was Kanye.

[Mal]

I'm just saying the amount of view, the amount of viewers, I don't know when halftime exists. Yes, of course it can fluctuate with the performer, but the end. At the end of the day, football fans are watching because they're waiting for the game. Regular people that don't like football are watching for the commercials. And halftime is the highest commercials.

[Julian]

It's America's thing, too. Like, even if you don't care about football, even if you don't care about the commercials, like, you're at a party with your friends, and it's America's game.

[Mal]

And, like, Christmas time, I don't know.

[Rory]

I just seen Beyonce just have silver sold out for a year. The color, I don't know people that can have a color sold out.

[Mal]

I just. With Christmas time I've never heard of people, like, waiting at halftime at the Christmas football games. A bunch of people go because of Beyonce.

[Rory]

So does the NFL. The NFL recognizes that, too. And guess what I'm saying.

[Mal]

This super bowl is going to have music fans plus non NFL fans plus NFL fans. Like, it's the same Christmas game. No, it's not.

[Rory]

What?

[Mal]

Oh, please.

[Rory]

You think, oh, please. People that are not fans of football don't watch the football game during Christmas. Everybody's in the house. The tv.

[Julian]

Well, people do. More people do watch the Christmas game.

[Mal]

But while dads watch. Watching the game.

[Rory]

No, it's not the Super Bowl. I know. It's definitely not the Super Bowl. We know that, but I'm just saying.

[Mal]

Mom, dad, son, daughter, everyone is watching the Super Bowl. Christmas time. I think people walk past it. Dad is watching the football game.

[Rory]

They don't have to watch. As long as it's on, they don't have to be sitting there watching it. It's on. What I'm saying is Beyonce brings a way bigger audience to the Christmas game than we. We would wear every match.

[Mal]

Yeah, absolutely. But you're comparing that to the Super Bowl Bowl. That's crazy.

[Julian]

And on top of that, it's not like they just. It's not a random person doing a Super Bowl. This is one of the biggest rappers in the world off the cusp of one of his biggest moments in the world. The biggest rap beef that we've ever seen in our lifetime.

[Rory]

So this is one of the biggest artists in the world ever. Beyonce.

[Julian]

I'm aware of that, mall. I'm the Beyonce fan in the room.

[Mal]

Beyonce.

[Rory]

Yeah, but then speak like that.

[Julian]

Then I am speaking like the Beyonce fan. But I also understand why Kendrick to do it.

[Rory]

Who's on Kendrick? I'm saying, if I'm Kendrick, you're not looking at the NFL. Like, fuck, why would y'all put this fucking megastar that's a bigger star than I am on the halftime show two months before me? Like, that's a lot of pressure on Kendrick now is all I'm saying. That's beyond, bro. That's like, essentially. That's like performing after Beyonce. Essentially. Even though it's two months apart.

[Damaris]

So different.

[Rory]

No, it's not. How is it different?

[Mal]

Okay, it's both halftime shows. I can explain it. Okay. Beyonce Homecoming, Coachella. We would say that's a pretty big, big Beyonce event. Yes, that's the Beyonce event on Netflix, 1.1 million viewers. Pepsi halftime comparison averages 117 million viewers.

[Rory]

What is that? What Are you comparing, though, that on.

[Mal]

Average, no matter what, 117 million people are watching the Pepsi halftime show? Beyonce, you're saying, is going to bring in all these fans. When it was her performance at Coachella, it brought in 1.1 million.

[Rory]

Yeah, but that. You can't.

[Mal]

How many people watch. How many people watch the Christmas.

[Rory]

You can't compare a performance at Coachella to the halftime halftime show. Yeah, it's bigger. No, you can't. No, it's not. No, it's not. No, it's not. A lot of people don't watch Coachella. It's not the same. It's not the same.

[Julian]

But you're talking about the Beyonce viewing fans. Like, I mean, we can. We can agree to disagree, but even how. What were the numbers for the Jake.

[Mal]

Average Christmas day game? Game? 28.7 million viewers. This is. This is not even comparable.

[Damaris]

This will probably crack 30.

[Julian]

Yeah, this.

[Mal]

And I'm saying, if we're bringing in all the Coachella, you think the average.

[Rory]

Is 28 million with Beyonce performing, the halftime is only gonna do 30 million.

[Damaris]

I tell you what's not gonna do 117. It might get 40.

[Rory]

Sure.

[Damaris]

We'll double it. Give it 60.

[Rory]

Yeah. Tripping, man. But we gonna find out. I'm just saying, if I'm Kendrick, I definitely am. Like, fuck.

[Mal]

Like, this is all right. Why I was using Coachella was because that was a big Beyonce event, so you can tack on that amount of new viewership no matter what, to the 28.7 million viewers. You're still not even getting remotely close to the 117 million viewers for Super Bowl. With or without Kendrick, I think the super bowl is going to do 117 million.

[Rory]

I'm not saying it's not. I'm just saying if you're Kendrick, as if you're the artist Kendrick, you're not looking at it like, God damn. Like. Like Beyonce is doing her halftime show two months before mine.

[Mal]

What if he comes out and they do Freedom? Then what? What if he's in a. An NFL360 and he has to perform the whole season?

[Julian]

Yo, Rory.

[Rory]

I don't know where he was going.

[Julian]

With that, but I. I'm crying. I think Kendrick is comparing himself to other super bowl performers at this other super bowl performances. I think that's the only thing he's focused on. I think he's trying to figure out how to compet what Rihanna did as far as, like, her set and things like that.

[Mal]

Yeah, I agree. And we can get off this. This topic, but Whacked out murals before we close, there was a rumor over the holiday weekend what the muted lyrics were in whacked out murals in the beginning. It's in, like, the first. I don't know, like, minute of the song. They're suggesting that. What's bleeped out there is I made a born sinner asked me for forgiveness. And it does match up with all the bars and syllables.

[Damaris]

Oh, so another shot say that about anything?

[Rory]

Another shot at. Another shot at Cole.

[Damaris]

No, there was shots.

[Mal]

Like there was some shots.

[Damaris]

Makes no sense. Like there's.

[Mal]

Why wouldn't it make any sense?

[Damaris]

Legs? There's no validity to that statement. It's just someone online, which makes it true. Clever lyric where he said it said, I think it's this. It Got enough retweets.

[Mal]

So easy to pitch up.

[Rory]

Holy.

[Damaris]

He's right.

[Rory]

It could be. It could be.

[Damaris]

You don't know truth to that statement.

[Rory]

How you don't know that. What if he.

[Damaris]

Here, here's another.

[Mal]

You don't know what?

[Rory]

Kendrick, what do you say?

[Damaris]

What was the line? I made a board and center. What? I made a born sinner asked for forgiveness. He could literally say, I made a Canadian sucking someone's dick. Like you could just fill it in with anything.

[Rory]

I don't know if I like that. That doesn't rhyme.

[Damaris]

The point.

[Rory]

Exactly. So it could be. It could be. I made a born sinner ask for forgiveness. Listen, it could be anything, right? Exactly.

[Mal]

It's coming off everybody. That's. No, it used to be that. I'm gonna paraphrase that one guy.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

But now it's everybody. It's plural. Everybody that's on my body, My blick first. Then God got me. I watched them pander with them backhanded compliments Put their head on a Cuban link as a monument. I made the born sinner ask me for forgiveness. Damn. See, that's why I shouldn't rap. Yeah. Only to Eminem put the head on a Cuban link as a monument. I paid homage and always minded my business. I made the born sinner ask me for forgiveness.

[Rory]

Now, Julian, if you want.

[Mal]

Now tell me where I made the Canadian suck my dick works in there.

[Rory]

If you like to offer up like what you thought.

[Damaris]

So, okay, so if it has to rhyme with business. So you're saying forgive. So for. So the key word in what, Rory, is forgiveness. So let's just find another word that rhymes with business, and you could just. It's a. It's an apply all.

[Mal]

No, but you. Why? I said the lyrics before, you don't see that he could. After saying it used to be fuck, we can assume it used to just be Fuck Drake. Now it's fuck everybody. And then goes on an entire scheme about that exact moment. You don't think that could fit in there, A J. Colbar. Because clearly he's talking about more people that. He said fuck them.

[Rory]

Plural.

[Mal]

True.

[Damaris]

I'm not saying it couldn't fit. I'm saying there are hundreds of versions of lyrics that could also fit.

[Rory]

Yeah, but that's one of them. That could fit.

[Mal]

Yeah. Okay. Okay, Julian.

[Rory]

All he's saying is that that's one of the lyrics that could fit. How come you can't accept. How come that's so hard to digest in your chest right now?

[Mal]

Let's say it's not the Bourne center bar with that setup. Do you think what is left out there is about Jermaine Cole?

[Damaris]

No.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

Okay, that's fine. Then who else?

[Damaris]

Why are you so convinced of this? Because you saw the guy get enough retweets on his fucking thing?

[Mal]

No, no, no, no. Because the setup right there, I assume.

[Damaris]

No, no, no, no, no. You're saying it because you saw someone tweet it, and now it.

[Mal]

You know we record this podcast, right? You know we record this podcast, right? When this album first came out, we discussed. No, I did not.

[Rory]

I mean, to be fair, he also says that he's not done. Like, it's gonna be more bloodshed. He did say that on the album as well.

[Mal]

I never lost who I am for a rap image. Like, all right, we had talked about this. E On Mike and off of what that blacked out.

[Rory]

J. Cole said he wouldn't have lost the battle. He would have lost. He would have lost the brother.

[Damaris]

Again, we're just filling in blanks with things that we think that would make sense to what we.

[Rory]

That's what we have to do here, because it's bl.

[Damaris]

But, like, there's problem with rap critique. Like, there's zero truth or validity to this.

[Mal]

I know. It's a podcast. We speculate.

[Rory]

Yeah, we speculate.

[Mal]

We just speculated for the last hour.

[Rory]

We're speculating what it could be That's.

[Julian]

You know, you made it worse by just like you could have.

[Damaris]

Because it just.

[Rory]

I hate there's such a waste of.

[Damaris]

A conversation and how. Makes zero sense.

[Mal]

We had this conversation that blanked out.

[Damaris]

Is probably about gold.

[Rory]

It makes zero sense because you have a fiend's hoodie on. That's why. That's why. That's not Even. Yeah, it's adjacent. It's a Jace. It's Dream Villa Jace.

[Mal]

It's more than Dreamville adjacent.

[Julian]

It's just Dreamville.

[Mal]

It's Dreamville.

[Rory]

It's not Dreamville. It is. It's the Dreamville.

[Damaris]

Artist beans are different.

[Mal]

What? State property. Rockefeller.

[Damaris]

No.

[Mal]

All right.

[Rory]

He just the one that. Yo, what's up? Why you just scared that about your boy Cole. He still going at your boy, that's all.

[Mal]

And he did a nice thing by. By leaping it out.

[Damaris]

Cool. Great. See you at the Garden, Kendrick. I'll be there.

[Rory]

See you at the Garden, Kendrick.

[Mal]

Is Kendrick going to be there?

[Julian]

Listen, I'm trying to get on the list too.

[Mal]

Well, what's funny is I wasn't even coming here for any JCO hate whatsoever. Julian's defensiveness business is making it seem that way. I think everything that Cole and E.B. have been doing the past 10 days has been amazing. I was so happy to put all of my favorite Cole mixtapes they put on DSPs. I love that they're still doing.

[Rory]

Yeah, I still haven't heard none of them.

[Mal]

Well, you need to. It's a good story.

[Julian]

We'll buy it.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

10 bucks.

[Julian]

It's $10.

[Rory]

I'll listen to it this week.

[Mal]

I think it's so cool for the. The 10 year anniversary for what I think is Cole's best album. They're doing a 10 year anniversary show at the Garden. Look at Cole. They're separating. Tickets.

[Rory]

I see what Cole is doing. He know we love this. He know. He know we love the dial in the dream. We love all of that.

[Damaris]

Double platinum, no fear.

[Mal]

He know we also love to come up warm up Friday Night Lights.

[Rory]

We love all of that.

[Mal]

33 of my favorite mixtape ever exist.

[Rory]

We love all of that. We love everything pre battle. We love all of that.

[Julian]

I like Grippy.

[Rory]

But don't. No, you don't.

[Julian]

Yes, I do, y'all.

[Rory]

Well, no, I expect you to like Grippy. That's for. That's for. That's for.

[Julian]

Every time this shit come out, I dance.

[Rory]

So don't be you dance the marriage. It don't matter what's on you once you get Casamigos and whatever in your system.

[Julian]

This is coffee.

[Damaris]

Well today cough, amigos.

[Rory]

But you was on stage shaking ass to Ice Spice and you told us I mixed amigos. Exactly. So my point.

[Mal]

I mean if I had Casamigos in my system, I'd probably dance the grippy.

[Damaris]

That's cool.

[Rory]

What would your move. What would be like your. You Would just do that.

[Julian]

No, you that's what you.

[Damaris]

Yeah, grab the pan again.

[Julian]

Yeah, that's what you gripped.

[Mal]

I turn the broiler on.

[Damaris]

Third degree burn.

[Rory]

I turn the broil on and just grab the skillet out of the oven. Yeah, I'm grippy Cold note. Yo Cole, stop man. Cuz you know you going you trying.

[Mal]

We can't do a 10 year anniversary.

[Rory]

N cuz he trying to make me with him again, man.

[Mal]

I don't like that.

[Rory]

I see what Cole doing.

[Julian]

Guarantee you that ain't what he doing. He never going to with you ever again, bro.

[Mal]

Listen, I might as well just be TD in here cuz the only person that's never been compromised in a battle period is Kendrick Lamore.

[Rory]

What do you mean?

[Damaris]

I don't know. That sound like it deserved him.

[Rory]

He never been compromised in a battle.

[Julian]

Ah, why you get him stored it.

[Mal]

I got both of them.

[Rory]

No, I don't know what he's doing. What are you talking about stored it?

[Damaris]

You look like you dress a little west coast today.

[Julian]

That's a west coast ass outfit.

[Damaris]

You had the beanie on the button.

[Mal]

Look what that look what that beanie says.

[Julian]

Okay, all right.

[Mal]

I see he dressed like cold in here.

[Rory]

You dress like a narc out of it.

[Mal]

I would definitely wait in the subway. Yeah, like yo, yo, you got.

[Rory]

You stand at the subway, act like you got your airpods. Somebody jumped the turnstile.

[Mal]

Where's the blow?

[Rory]

Yeah, get out of here.

[Damaris]

Where's the blood?

[Rory]

I know a number arc when I say wait.

[Damaris]

No, let's not get back to your point. Kendrick's the only one that hasn't.

[Mal]

Kendra Lamar has never filed a lawsuit in a rap battle. Kendra Lamar's never ran away from a rap battle. There's only, only one man that hasn't.

[Damaris]

Been compromised or lost a rap battle.

[Mal]

He's only been in one account. That's not fair. You gotta start somewhere because Drake has won rap battles. Clearly there's. There's only one person that's never even been in a rap battle.

[Rory]

Stop, man. Cause I'm thinking about going to this concert and you gonna make me change my mind.

[Mal]

You think you're wait list of 150000 people malls a priority for the Dreamville show.

[Rory]

You think I can't get they ain't.

[Julian]

Even gonna give you a dollar in a dream.

[Rory]

I think.

[Mal]

Of course I think you get it.

[Rory]

Oh, okay.

[Mal]

I think you could get in without them knowing.

[Rory]

Yeah, I was gonna say what the Dreamville is gonna do. Chase me out of msg.

[Damaris]

Yeah, well, they could just be like.

[Rory]

You'Re not welcome in Madison Square Garden.

[Damaris]

Yeah, get the out of here for the night.

[Mal]

First of all, they probably wouldn't notice. I'm saying Maul could get in there either way.

[Damaris]

Well, you gotta do a safe end, like, cover your tattoos and put, like, a beanie on.

[Rory]

I don't have no tattoos.

[Damaris]

No.

[Rory]

None. I ain't gotta cover nothing.

[Mal]

I'm saying, if we went the route of the Dreamville crew. No, I don't think you would be invited. Out of all the people that they'll need to get in.

[Rory]

See, that's what's wrong. Y'all need a nigga like me in the Dreamville crew.

[Mal]

See, okay.

[Rory]

See, Cole would have been laying bars down if I was in that camp. Cause I'd have looked that nigga right in his eyes in North Carolina. Like, nigga, it's fucking late.

[Mal]

I gotta call. Bullshit. You're my man, but I gotta call. Okay, then how come at the end Of Heart Part 6, Drake said, I don't want to rap anymore? You played this out. Why didn't you tell him to rap more? No, because that's what we were. First of all.

[Rory]

What did he say before that? Yo, I don't care about. He said.

[Mal]

He said, drop, Drop. And then he said, why are you dropping?

[Rory]

Hold on, hold on. What else did he say in that song?

[Mal]

That you. That, yo, this is burnt out. You did too much.

[Rory]

No, that. All right. So you just. You're picking all the bars that support what you're saying right now.

[Mal]

Yeah. That's the point of arguing.

[Rory]

Did he not. Did he not say, I could give. I could care less about your streaming data. I'll see you later. Later. Speaking to. What's going on right now? He knew the. The fix was in. He knew what it was.

[Julian]

Damn. That's an old people ass thing.

[Rory]

He knew to fix. The fight was fixed. They put cement in his gloves, okay?

[Mal]

And Cole knew the fight was fixed.

[Rory]

Cole was scared to get punched in his face. The difference.

[Mal]

He knew he was the head of Drake. He knew.

[Julian]

Yo, why we can't have. Listen, he heard.

[Mal]

Not like us.

[Julian]

Already talked enough about Cole right now.

[Rory]

I'm not talking about Cole.

[Julian]

He's selling out. He about to sell out. Msg Fire.

[Rory]

That's dope.

[Mal]

They don't need you there to tell them that this album is a possible classic and we celebrate 10 years dope.

[Rory]

I don't need to be there to tell him that. I. With those albums, I. With all that Cole did. He should do.

[Damaris]

They should give him another night.

[Mal]

I agree.

[Damaris]

This one is obviously not enough. He could do two nights at the Garden.

[Mal]

Did you go to the actual 2014.

[Damaris]

Tour when I was. Damn. When did that come out?

[Julian]

2014.

[Mal]

2014.

[Damaris]

No, but I'm thinking where I was. Like, where I was in my life.

[Rory]

This is Chicago.

[Damaris]

I don't think I.

[Rory]

With the YNs.

[Julian]

You were teaching.

[Damaris]

No, I don't think I caught that one. No, I was.

[Mal]

It was good. He had, like, the roof set up and.

[Damaris]

No, I did. No. You know where I saw it? I saw it at Lollapalooza.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Damaris]

It was a festival set, but he did have the whole stage. It was. It was the roof set up. That was. Yeah, that was. That was awesome.

[Rory]

Amazing.

[Mal]

That was really good. And also, the KOD one is the loudest I've ever heard the Garden in my entire life.

[Rory]

I see. Well, that's because you've never seen Reggie Miller versus the Knicks. That's your problem now.

[Mal]

It was dead quiet.

[Rory]

Who. Are you crazy? What's wrong with seeing you young Thundercats? Y'all don't know what y'all be talking about.

[Mal]

Reggie scored nine points in two seconds. It was.

[Rory]

You couldn't before that? No. Then he got quiet. I'm going before that, when the Knicks was up.

[Mal]

Before that, I'm saying, yeah, it was the quietest the Garden had ever been.

[Rory]

The loudest I've ever heard the Garden.

[Mal]

It was. I've been to Jay Z shows at the Garden. I've been to Drake shows at the Garden. I'm not saying anything about their artistry, just their fans yell out.

[Damaris]

Loudest moment I heard of the Garden was when Cardi B. Was at her peak week. And it was when Drake and the Migos. Migos did that tour together. And Migos was opening up and motorsport came on and Cardi B. Rose from the ground. I have never heard. It was like. It was, they say, deafening. It was the loudest I've ever heard.

[Julian]

I'd have passed out like Michael Jackson.

[Damaris]

She just came out with rap Bar, bar, bar. And everyone just. It was insane. That was a good moment.

[Mal]

Was that the same?

[Rory]

And it was just as loud when Mello hit a game winner. See this?

[Damaris]

No, no, no, no, no. More people than basketball games. Games. What concerts hold more people than basketball?

[Rory]

Yeah, but it's. You never been to it. You never heard nobody.

[Mal]

Is it loud in there?

[Damaris]

Season opener.

[Mal]

Was it two years ago?

[Julian]

You can hear a pin drop when.

[Damaris]

We beat the Boston Celtics on the in, like, double overtime.

[Rory]

I'm talking about, like, playoff game. Playoff. Knitting garden atmosphere.

[Mal]

Yeah, well, I'm only 34.

[Rory]

Oh, you never seen one?

[Damaris]

I was gonna say it.

[Rory]

I was. You've never seen a Nick playoff game. That's fucked up.

[Mal]

Melo made it first round.

[Rory]

Nah, man, they just went to the playoffs last year.

[Mal]

I didn't go to any of those games.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but they look. That was like a fractured Knicks program. That was rough, but it was still.

[Rory]

It was still hype that was going.

[Damaris]

To win a series.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

See, before that.

[Rory]

No, y'all making it sound like the Knicks don't make noise in that arena. But don't do that.

[Mal]

Before that, J. Cole was the loudest I had ever heard.

[Rory]

That's disrespectful.

[Julian]

I haven't seen Cole since 2014 when he came to Syracuse. And the tickets was, like, $15.

[Rory]

So how much are the tickets now?

[Julian]

I couldn't get in. I couldn't even get in the queue to buy a ticket.

[Damaris]

I have no clue what they're going for.

[Mal]

But they set aside 2014 of them for a dollar, right?

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

Which.

[Julian]

That's cool, but you got to show up to the. The dollar and the dream location. Is it gonna be St. John's Eve? I swear to God. Is it gonna be St. John's that.

[Mal]

Would be so evil. If that is St. John's in Queens far.

[Damaris]

Oh, that's obnoxious. That is. That's rude.

[Mal]

And it's not like there's a train stop. You gotta take a train. A dollar cabin, then walk, like, now.

[Rory]

They should do it in. Where did he apologize? At North Carolina. They should do it there.

[Damaris]

Sure.

[Rory]

It's kind of like the Rebirth. Like, he died. J. Cole died on stage.

[Mal]

So Day of Their. People are supposed to go to Raleigh and then wait in line, hope to get their ticket, and then fly back.

[Julian]

I would do it. I would do it.

[Rory]

There's some people that'll do it.

[Damaris]

That's like when Puff made those people go to Queens and get him a sugar cookie. Made them walk. Walk?

[Julian]

You mean.

[Damaris]

It was cheesecake.

[Julian]

They went to Brooklyn.

[Rory]

Yeah, sugar cookies.

[Damaris]

I mixed this. I combined the Chappelle skit with the actual story.

[Mal]

Yo, in retrospect, though, was that that bad?

[Damaris]

Yes. That's annoying as.

[Rory]

No, it wasn't. It was.

[Damaris]

Where were they walking?

[Mal]

If you're trying. If you are. This is.

[Rory]

It was right there on, like, 39th street or something like that.

[Damaris]

Walk into Brooklyn.

[Mal]

No, it's across from the Universal building. Now it's on Broadway and Broadway.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah. So for those that don't know locally. Yes.

[Rory]

It was cold.

[Damaris]

It was.

[Mal]

That's a far walk. Don't get me wrong. That's a far walk. But, you know, if this is my shot, like animal reality TV with puff. And puff is puff at that time. Yeah. You need me to go walk and get that shit to prove to you that I want to do this shit. I want to follow my dreams. Yeah, I'll do that.

[Rory]

I've walked further for free, though. As a kid, you used to walk everywhere.

[Damaris]

If only they really needed to know. If only they knew at that time that all they needed to do is go next door to Duane Reade and get a bunch of baby oil.

[Rory]

Well, do we have any voicemails? Jul.

[Damaris]

Are we on voicemails?

[Rory]

Okay, yeah, you've got mail. Please just play a voicemail.

[Mal]

Yes, I. I would happily walk to achieve my. Achieve my goal of being an artist under bad boy. I would walk to juniors for a cheesecake.

[Rory]

Yeah. Especially if it's a group of us.

[Mal]

More.

[Rory]

Yeah, if it's a group of us.

[Mal]

We can shoot the.

[Rory]

We just gotta laugh. We gotta laugh the whole way and be like, we doing some crazy right right now.

[Mal]

Yeah. I allegedly pledged. I wish that that's all it took.

[Rory]

Allegedly pledge.

[Mal]

Just walk to juniors for a cheesecake. It's a regular Wednesday. All right, well, someone get a pack of cigarettes and just. Let's just walk. Let's just smoke a whole pack and we'll be fine. Time will go extremely quick, but yes, let's start with our first one.

[Damaris]

Yeah. In. In the spirit of a music heavy episode, this is a good question. Question.

[Unknown Caller]

What's up, guys? Hope you all are doing well. I'm not calling for any advice or anything. I'm actually calling to ask you guys kind of a hip hop question slash discussion. So last night, the crew and I were all hanging out and eventually the conversation got to the question of which hip hop artists do you think has had the biggest fall off in their careers? So, you know, at one point they were at the top of the game and now at this point, nobody's checking on them. My answer for this was Bob. I mean, in the early 2000 and tens, it seemed like he was everywhere. He had hit songs with Eminem, Lil Wayne, two chains. That man had a song with Taylor Swift, and now Bruno and a huge song, Bruno Mars. It just kind of seems like no one's checking on him. And I actually went back and looked at his discography. And he's never stopped releasing music. But I haven't heard most of the projects after maybe 2014. So who do you guys think? For hip hop artists that at one point were huge and then almost in like the snap of a finger, no one's talking about them. I'm interested in hearing what you guys think. Thanks.

[Mal]

Bye.

[Rory]

That's a good question.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah, I like that one.

[Mal]

I always loved Bob, by the way.

[Rory]

Bob is interesting.

[Damaris]

What did happen? After listening to this earlier today, I was like, what did happen to him? Like, I don't get why I'm even.

[Mal]

Looking at, like, what I have in my, like, from. Hi, my name is Bob. Bob versus Bobby Ray was my shit.

[Damaris]

Great album.

[Mal]

And then Bob presents the Adventures of Bobby Ray was. That was the big one. When he had. Bruno Mars is on this. Janelle Monae, Eminem. He had a. But he read a bunch of stuff for T.I.

[Damaris]

Bob had one number one hit, four top 10 hits, and 20 songs that have entered the Billboard top 100. So, yeah, this is a. I mean.

[Rory]

We kind of still. My pick for that would probably be Nelly.

[Damaris]

That's a good one.

[Julian]

But Nelly had. Nelly didn't have a fall off. Fall off. He just kind of fizzled out. Nelly had a pretty long career.

[Mal]

Anything from diamond is going to be a fall off.

[Damaris]

Nelly's Last album was 2021.

[Mal]

I missed that.

[Damaris]

Heartland.

[Mal]

Okay, but which.

[Damaris]

Which, like a country album I believe he put out. I'm pretty sure his last one was a country.

[Mal]

Nelly had about like a three or four album run. What. Which one went Diamond?

[Rory]

Country Grammar.

[Mal]

First one. Okay. Nellyville to me is like a rap version of Thriller. Every song is.

[Damaris]

Is a hit, seven times platinum. Nellyville, what was.

[Mal]

What was on Sweatsuit? Sweet Suit, Sweet Tooth Sweat.

[Damaris]

So that was a double album. Sweet Tooth Sweat went platinum. Suit went triple platinum.

[Mal]

But they were. Yeah, they were double though, right? They sold them differently.

[Damaris]

Released on the same day. Which is crazy because these debuted at 1 and 2.

[Mal]

Okay. And that's in 04.

[Damaris]

That's. That's crazy.

[Mal]

Then his next album, which, admittedly, as a Nelly fan, if you had a gun to my head, I would never say that. His album after that was Brass Knuckles.

[Damaris]

Never heard of it. September 2008, that one gold.

[Mal]

Four years later, he stopped making music. So is that really a fall off?

[Julian]

No, I don't.

[Damaris]

What do you mean? You stop. You.

[Mal]

These are all albums four years at a time. When it was a year album cycle. Nah, that's four years of Nelly not making music after that. Run.

[Julian]

Especially in that time when music was changing drastically every year.

[Rory]

Yeah, but he said, like, nobody's checking for them. Nobody's talking about them.

[Mal]

Oh.

[Rory]

After talking about Nelly. Because he's what's on Brass having another baby with Ashanti. But outside of that, I mean.

[Mal]

Yeah, but also he's a legacy act now just for everything that he's done.

[Julian]

Well, if that's the case, then 50 Cent had a harder fall off than Nelly. If you gonna go by that metric.

[Mal]

I think they had a similar one. I just think 50 cents. His interest went to other things. So I don't.

[Rory]

I don't think it takes 50. 50 just did a. A world tour was packing out arenas.

[Mal]

But Nelly could. Nelly could.

[Julian]

Wasn't Nelly on the. On the Millennium tour?

[Mal]

Maybe.

[Rory]

All right.

[Mal]

But I still think Nelly could do a tour.

[Rory]

50S on tour versus Nelly being with other people on tour.

[Julian]

I think Nelly could do a tour if he really wanted to.

[Rory]

He can. But will he do the same venues that 50 was doing?

[Julian]

No, but 50 is more of a worldwide artist than Nelly was.

[Rory]

Nelly went diamond.

[Damaris]

Yeah. What I want to challenge the room to is Bob is. I think we can say Nelly 50. All these older guys. Bob's younger. Who of like that?

[Mal]

I have someone younger than Bob.

[Damaris]

That's what I'm saying. Who of the young class.

[Julian]

Oh, you took it right out my mouth.

[Rory]

Well, we. We know why he.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Yes. I think. And free Fetty Wap. Like, I know he's going through a lot. About to do is he's gonna get out relatively soon and from my understanding is doing the best you could do in jail. He's doing well. He was before that case had been a fall off. But I don't blame Fetty Watt for that. I think 300 just like oversaturated and did not spread out the 15 hits that he had. Like, when you flood Billboard with that amount of hits at one time, you're fucking your artist over. Like, the only option from there is a fall off. So I don't blame Fetty Wap for that. But that was a fall off.

[Rory]

Better wreck is Fetty Wap or Young Thug.

[Mal]

It's tough because Young Thug has so much more to pick from.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I'm biased.

[Mal]

I love. But if we're going hits, like just straight hits, I may lean towards Fetty Wap.

[Julian]

I would lean towards Fetty Wap over Thug's hits. And Atlanta is going to quite literally shoot us when they hear that.

[Mal]

But I also don't think it's fair because if you go through Thug's catalog, it's apples and bowling balls. Like Thug is way over here when it comes to music. Fetty Wap has one album, so I don't think it's a fair comparison. So if we move it to hits, I probably take Fetty's hits.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

But I also compare that to like that summer and you know, it's a moment in my heart.

[Julian]

It's also our New York, like our Northeast Bias, because I would pick A boogie's hits, B sides over a lot of people's hits.

[Mal]

Like, I would too.

[Julian]

So My Boobs Hoagie, it's a regional.

[Damaris]

Not a fall off, but someone that has clearly taken a step down from where they started. Roddy Rich, unfortunately.

[Mal]

Yeah. But I think Roddy's young enough that he still has time.

[Damaris]

He definitely. And he has the skill. I'm not trying to sound like it.

[Mal]

Was kind of crazy where Roddy went from arguably one of the biggest artists to that album coming out. And everyone likes.

[Rory]

Isn't he on Kendrick's album? That song I like.

[Damaris]

Yeah, he has some background.

[Rory]

Is it Dodger Blue?

[Julian]

I mean, one might say the same thing about Lil Baby 2.

[Damaris]

Oh, he's currently in his. What seems like his decline at least public perception wise. People are very openly shitting on him.

[Julian]

Yeah. And I love Lil Baby, but it has seemed that way that he lost the rap game's hearts.

[Mal]

Yeah. I mean people were really saying like, baby's going to be the next superstar, the next legend.

[Damaris]

They were calling him hov.

[Julian]

They were calling him Atlanta.

[Rory]

All right.

[Mal]

But I don't put credence in. Like people that say shit like that shouldn't even count.

[Damaris]

I don't know who they are, but.

[Rory]

They see that's my problem right there. We got to start putting names to this type of shit. Don't just say they was calling him. We need to know who they are. Give me their names. Like fuck all of that.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's crazy. I don't know Hov.

[Rory]

They just. The names that people just play with and throw around is crazy.

[Mal]

It's funny though, just. Just thinking about the difference of people from like Nelly's generation versus Fetty Waps. I can find been so many more instant fall offs with this younger generation because is so quick. It moves so quick. It's microwave. People can be number one artists on YouTube and have no follow up by six months later. They're a non factor. We're talking about people that had a four or five album run and calling them. They fell off That's a career.

[Damaris]

That's a career. Yeah.

[Mal]

That's what's so up.

[Rory]

The average lifespan for a rapper is probably two years.

[Damaris]

Two projects, if that.

[Rory]

Yeah, like, dude, two years is.

[Mal]

You guys are giving. Doing a lot.

[Rory]

I'm just saying back in the day, average.

[Mal]

I'm saying three or four singles. Some of them don't even get to the first album.

[Rory]

Like, yeah, no, I'm saying average is probably two. Two years, two albums.

[Damaris]

I feel wrong for even saying his name because I think it kind of goes in line with, like, Nelly. Like, these guys had great careers. They just kind of, you know, things happen. They go into different things. But, like, music changes and artists like Ludacris, another person that was.

[Rory]

No, he found them Hollywood checks, but.

[Damaris]

He didn't fall off. He just pivoted and got a bigger bag.

[Rory]

That's all it was. Them Hollywood checks. He's like, man, this rap.

[Julian]

Y'all just gave us 17th F this to sit.

[Rory]

Sit in this car in front of.

[Damaris]

A music Henny's compared to what he's making.

[Mal]

I like that Back of the Theater album, Faces in the Theater, the Mind. Theater of the Mind, great. That's a great album. And ludicrous was, quote, unquote, by rap terms, old at that point. Man, who cares? I have Fast and Furious, nine to go.

[Rory]

Shoot.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, Luda was still in shape when he was older. Theater of the Mind is a funny, quality, quality album, that is.

[Damaris]

When I tapped out with Lud, it was after Theater of the Mind.

[Mal]

Battle of the Sexes he had. When I was in college, Ludacris had a legitimate hit record.

[Julian]

My Chick Bad, My Chick Hood. My Chick.

[Mal]

When Ludacris first came out, I was in middle school. When I got to college, Ludacris had a legitimate hit record. Like, that's. That's a run that I don't think some of our favorite rappers or legends we talk about even could fit in.

[Damaris]

I got the Red Light CD as a. As a red light district. As a red light district as a CD for Chris Ms. Back for the.

[Mal]

First time I got for my birth.

[Rory]

Julian, you make it too easy to just battle. You just. You're like. You just throw. You throw the L right at and expect me not to cut. Back door.

[Damaris]

Christmas is like three weeks out.

[Rory]

Yes, Julie, you're right. Yes. I'm glad you got Red Light District.

[Damaris]

I learned all the lyrics of Blueberry. Yum yum.

[Rory]

There he goes again. Another look. You just keep.

[Damaris]

And the potion.

[Julian]

Do you guys remember that time I.

[Mal]

Had the back for the first time. CD booklet taped on my wall.

[Damaris]

Kill him.

[Mal]

That's how much.

[Damaris]

Do him next.

[Mal]

Do him next.

[Rory]

Do him next is crazy.

[Mal]

I'll do you one better. I taped a game. Hurricane. Remember the hurricane sneaker? Yeah, a hurricane sneaker. Ads on my wall. Like, I had the collage joint.

[Damaris]

Get him.

[Julian]

Yo, my dad used to steal the posters from, like, movies and album releases out of the subway. He would steal them and bring them home to me.

[Mal]

Oh, where's the.

[Damaris]

Not how we got that James Brown.

[Mal]

The James Brown my dad stole off the wall at BB Kings. Like, took it off the wall.

[Rory]

Gangster.

[Julian]

Yeah. Don't you guys miss when the fourth quarter. We got the most music because of the CDs that were being released for Christmas. Like kids.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

CDs for Christmas.

[Mal]

Yeah, it would be. Summer would be crazy. Then they sort of take a break during fall and they didn't come right back. Yeah, I kind of missed that cycle, but I don't know. I think things are going to change even with release days, obviously, as we see what Tyler's been doing and everyone else. I think that may change with fourth quarter seasons and things like that as well.

[Julian]

Everybody tried to go and be Beyonce and release on Fridays and. Yeah. Go back to what we were doing.

[Rory]

Everybody ain't Beyonce.

[Julian]

Everybody be. I need to go back to what y'all were doing. Give yourself the full week.

[Damaris]

Any other artists before we do the next voice? I was thinking another younger kid. Rich. The kid did.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Not the highest of highs, but was somewhere.

[Mal]

But then at that point, that adds in, like, so many artists that were at that tier.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I mean, his whole crew. Famous decks. Like, that was like a whole.

[Rory]

Drugs.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I was gonna say lean.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

With it.

[Rory]

Right. I don't know.

[Mal]

Again, younger generation. I just don't count because I don't think they. They even got to a place that we could call it a fall off. Like, they didn't get to a place where. No, they didn't.

[Damaris]

Just.

[Mal]

It just didn't work.

[Damaris]

I saw Ace Hood disappeared.

[Mal]

Ace Hood had run, man.

[Rory]

Yeah, Ace Hood.

[Julian]

Ace Hood had a nice little run.

[Rory]

Ace Hood got and could, like, really rap. We talked about it. Like, Ace Hood's versus that.

[Mal]

Be tough.

[Rory]

Have. Have a tough time standing in front of Ace Hood. Four verses.

[Mal]

But that was also. And I don't know if he's spoken about it. Wasn't there something with him and Khed is the reason why that run ended so abruptly?

[Rory]

Oh, yeah. Somewhere. He took the imprint to another label and he Spoke about this. Ace spoke about this on Drink Champs, I think.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And he found out essentially when I think we found out that the imprint was moving to another label. And I guess they weren't taking Ace Hood with them.

[Julian]

I think maybe he didn't come with the trade.

[Rory]

Yeah, but Ace Hood got some. He got some. He got some records. He got some records. A lot of people say Meek stole Ace Hood whole flow.

[Julian]

I can see the similarities, but I wouldn't. I think Meek is really authentic to.

[Rory]

I mean, we know Meek could rap, but I'm just saying people.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Would you count Meek in this conversation?

[Julian]

I think Meek's fall off was slow. And I also think Meek had a career, a very long career.

[Mal]

Yeah. I think things changed. I know he went through label issues. Even though I think Expensive Paint is just not his best work. I can't blame that solely on Atlantic. Like, I just don't think the music was up there. But Meek is, to me, solidified. So that could change. Like in 2025. I don't think it would be crazy if Meek had a record that had some.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Some momentum. Like he. It's certain artists that are solidified, in my opinion. You can't really say shit about them. If you look at everything they've accomplished already just because they. Just because we live in a society that he hasn't done it in the last six months or the last year.

[Rory]

He can't do it.

[Mal]

That means, like, now he fell off. No, that's not the case. Like, do I think 50 fell off? No, I think 50 went and made movies.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I think he was like, all right.

[Rory]

I'm cool over here. Yeah. Once you see that check from the others from Hollywood, you like, man, I'm not about to sit in the studio. Then I gotta fight niggas in the club and all this other shit. Like, I'm not doing all that.

[Julian]

Pay to label fucking damn near half my money.

[Rory]

Like, I'm not doing that.

[Mal]

And also, like, is it a fall off or is it just smart business? Do I think if before I self destruct, did the same numbers Curtis did, did that 50 would have continued to make music? Probably because he's a businessman. But it didn't.

[Rory]

Right.

[Mal]

So I'm not going to overstay my welcome here. And if he would have just completely fallen off and done nothing. All right, maybe that's a fall off.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

No, no, he's still extremely relevant.

[Rory]

And like we just said, he went on a successful world tour just now.

[Mal]

And also the Lucy's. He he puts out don't get much traction because it's a whole different era. They're fucking great. That crazy song with pnb Roll Rock, I did not understand why it didn't go crazy. He had the song that he ended up putting Chris Brown on instead of Sunny Digital of the original. Crazy. He puts out good music.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Just, you know, people don't care because he's old.

[Rory]

Yeah. They're not checking for it.

[Mal]

Designer was kind of a crazy.

[Julian]

Oh, damn.

[Damaris]

Damn. Yeah, damn.

[Rory]

Damn. I don't even. He. Did he have a. What is it? Was this album or great.

[Mal]

Oh, he put one out.

[Rory]

That's what I'm saying. I don't even know did he put an album out.

[Mal]

But you have to.

[Julian]

How big this song. This.

[Rory]

We not. We can sit here and name 70 if we gonna do that, like Designer.

[Julian]

Okay, so name. Name a song as big as Panda. Name a song as big as Panda.

[Rory]

I feel like Trinidad James had a song just as big as that.

[Damaris]

Designer put out an EP this year.

[Mal]

Maybe bigger.

[Rory]

That's what I'm saying. If we going to sit here and start naming bigger than.

[Julian]

I don't think that was bigger than. It was amazing, but I don't think it was bigger than Panda.

[Rory]

Trinidad. I mean, we got.

[Julian]

It might have been level.

[Rory]

We got Google.

[Julian]

We ain't even got to do that. You can't Google.

[Rory]

You can't Google culture. It's crazy.

[Julian]

You can't put numbers to culture.

[Rory]

What you mean? They just did it. That's why Drake is.

[Mal]

Got a lawsuit right now. But also. All right, two Culture, though. That video of All Gold, everything was iconic. Like, that was culture. It was a lot of. A lot of what people said about Designer when he came out was, wow, listen to this diet. Future, Future.

[Julian]

But it doesn't.

[Damaris]

The song itself, All Gold, everything, peaked at 36 was on the charts for.

[Julian]

Let's go Numbers. Let's Google.

[Rory]

Now y'all want to go to numbers. Now y'all want to go to numbers?

[Julian]

In 2016, which was the biggest year of music of our generation for two weeks, it had competition in this.

[Mal]

Okay, and what album did it end up on? 1.

[Julian]

But it was number one before that. It went number one before Kanye. Why you think Kanye wanted it? My. What you talking about, y'all? Panda.

[Rory]

Panda saying, why are we talking about numbers all of a sudden?

[Julian]

You're the one that brought up the.

[Mal]

Number, first of all.

[Julian]

Not.

[Mal]

It's not all of a sudden. We've been talking about numbers since 50 started talking about them in 2004.

[Julian]

Let's go to Google. You did that?

[Rory]

No, no, I was saying. Cuz you were saying that it. It's a bigger song. And I'm like, well, let's just go to Google. We didn't have to argue it. But I'm.

[Mal]

I didn't. Culturally. I was only talking about culture. Because that. That's what Damaris brought up. I think outside of New York, like for the whole country. All gold. Everything was culturally bigger in New York City. Yes, Panda was bigger.

[Julian]

It went number one. So you mean.

[Mal]

You're saying culture. I'm only in America.

[Julian]

You mean in America?

[Rory]

He means in the culture. American culture.

[Mal]

My culture.

[Julian]

Kanye wanted a song that he had nothing to do with on his album.

[Damaris]

Him.

[Julian]

But it wasn't culturally relevant. I need y'all to make sense.

[Mal]

Same. Well, the same company on first of all. All right. First of all, the same company within Good Music gave Trinidad James $1.5 million. They did not give that to Timmy Turner.

[Damaris]

No. Cuz Kanye just bought him.

[Rory]

Yeah. Then he jerked off on the flight.

[Damaris]

He's gonna give his masters back.

[Rory]

And then he jerked off on the flight and said it was because he was vegan. Let me just show you. I have never jerked.

[Mal]

That's why I tell Lon to not put us in seats next to each other. Other.

[Rory]

You thought I was going to just start jerking off.

[Damaris]

Panda was so hot. Timmy Turner charted, right?

[Julian]

Timmy, Timmy, Timmy.

[Mal]

That's. That record was hard 30.

[Damaris]

That peaked at 34.

[Mal]

What was. Tre James had that second record.

[Julian]

I don't remember.

[Damaris]

I love this. Well, that's a.

[Mal]

It was another one. But then he had. He had that little ep. My side is my main. So. My main. Ho. Don't be. That was my.

[Damaris]

Isn't Juicy J on there?

[Mal]

Maybe that was. My side is my main chick.

[Julian]

No, you just scratched a piece of my brain that hadn't been touched.

[Mal]

That was a fun era, too. Music used to be so much fun. No, you know what? I used to be so much fun. Let me not blame him.

[Damaris]

Females welcomed. That was it.

[Mal]

But that wasn't the second hit. That was like a bside off that quick tape they put out with all good everything. There was a second record.

[Damaris]

Damn, I want.

[Mal]

This was like the intro to that.

[Rory]

Just a little.

[Mal]

Maybe they had some famous filmmaker. I remember I just left defjam. They had someone like Scorsese was like, gonna do the video.

[Rory]

How are we talking about follows and we ain't? Name your man McLemore.

[Damaris]

My man.

[Mal]

That is.

[Rory]

I mean, you seem like you went to a Macklemore show.

[Mal]

You loved Seattle when we went there.

[Damaris]

He did a that Damn. I hate that you said that more. Because Macklemore. Because I went to this white ass private school for college. Macklemore did our spring concert the year.

[Rory]

Thrift shop came and we was out there going crazy.

[Damaris]

I bought a fur coat.

[Julian]

Oh, can't relate. My spring concert freshman year was Meek mill.

[Damaris]

I did not buy a fur coat. That's not just gonna cover that one up real quick because people don't understand that I'm joking.

[Mal]

This is why I hate googling. Like when we have these convos just to see if we missed anything. Miz media. I don't even know why I'm saying their name. Number one, B. O, B. So I'm like, okay. They're on the same at least page of the conversation we're having. Number two, low pump. I'm like, okay. I guess when we see little.

[Rory]

Huh.

[Mal]

I don't think he was ever on to fall off. But number three, most deaf.

[Julian]

Damn.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I saw. That's ridiculous.

[Mal]

Oh, they have logic at number five. I don't like that.

[Rory]

Your guy.

[Mal]

That's my man.

[Julian]

Yeah, he wears ring to bed.

[Mal]

He puts it on when he goes to bed. Not wearing it outside, but wearing it to bed.

[Rory]

He calls it a dream catcher.

[Mal]

Yo. Okay, so the theory with Cole's album the fall off, that's supposed to be his next one, is that it has features of artists that fell off. Who do we think is on that? Mike Jones.

[Rory]

Mike Jones.

[Julian]

I don't know. I might go crazy.

[Mal]

That would. That'd be fire.

[Julian]

It might go crazy.

[Rory]

So you said Mike Jones. It's another artist from out there.

[Julian]

Lauren Hill.

[Damaris]

Chameleonaire.

[Mal]

Don't do that. Chameleon didn't fall off. He's also like a fucking multimillionaire.

[Julian]

A billionaire.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but we've established that that's not Chameleon.

[Mal]

There's a billionaire damn near something like that.

[Julian]

He invested in tech early.

[Rory]

That's crazy. Shout out to Chameleon there for that move.

[Mal]

I mean, he lived by his name.

[Julian]

And yes, I'm exaggerating by billionaire. He's probably like worth 500 million.

[Damaris]

Katrillionaire.

[Rory]

A trillionaire. He has to change his name at this point.

[Julian]

Who else? Who else would be considered?

[Mal]

Chameleonaire did have like a run though, because even after like he had the hit records. What was the album that has like Slick Rick on it? That's a good fucking album. I just can't. Oh, ultimate victory. Even in 2007, Chameleon was still putting out good music. See, y'all not culture, man.

[Julian]

Damn. Is J. Quan considered a fall off.

[Mal]

Two hit records, and then he's getting some nice. Yeah, I guess that would be considered.

[Damaris]

That off of that tipsy record.

[Rory]

Record.

[Mal]

Yep.

[Julian]

August Alsina had a crazy fall off, too, but he. Not hip hop, but he had a crazy fall off.

[Rory]

Oh, we get into R B. Oh.

[Mal]

R B is head.

[Rory]

It's some.

[Mal]

That Michelle number one, but no, y'all did.

[Rory]

And y'all up for that?

[Mal]

No.

[Rory]

Y'all canceled up for no reason.

[Mal]

I never canceled her.

[Rory]

Yes, you did.

[Mal]

I still listen to Blame it on Me.

[Rory]

She wasn't on your first album.

[Mal]

I'm the one that's.

[Rory]

She was not on your first album. She was not on your first album, and she's available.

[Mal]

I would absolutely have Chrisette Michelle on my album.

[Rory]

You. Why you didn't reach out to her?

[Mal]

I don't. I don't know her.

[Rory]

You don't know her?

[Mal]

Do you know someone that knows her?

[Rory]

Yes. No. You know somebody that knows her?

[Mal]

Who?

[Rory]

You know a lot of people that know you don't think. You don't know anybody in your phone that can get in.

[Mal]

I wouldn't even know who to guess that would know. Chr.

[Rory]

Yo, you don't.

[Mal]

You're my only Republican friend.

[Rory]

You don't think you know anybody that could get in touch with Crusette Michelle?

[Mal]

No.

[Rory]

Cut this. Rory, You. Damn you. You probably was in the studio with cassette. Michelle didn't even know she was at Def Jam.

[Mal]

I was there for Epiphany.

[Rory]

Exactly.

[Mal]

See, But I don't think any of those people still speak to Chrisette Michelle.

[Rory]

I thought it'd be different is all I'm saying.

[Mal]

So did she. She thought it'd be way fucking different.

[Rory]

She was right, though. He won. All right. Do we have another voicemail?

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Mal]

I still want to hear the Mike Jones and J. Cole mash up.

[Julian]

I do.

[Mal]

And pardon my Julian autism. I met Mike Jones in an Orlando airport, and I took a photo with him.

[Julian]

You asked him for the photo?

[Mal]

No, we were with our track team. We were running at the Disney. Like there's a Disney athletic jersey swap on him. No, I did not do that.

[Damaris]

You recited the phone number to him. You said, yo, I tried to call you.

[Mal]

No, but you repeated the number. But, guys, I'm sure I can actually find. I'm sure I can actually find the photo. What's the most embarrassing thing would not be me reciting the Number. I think I did this in the photo.

[Rory]

And you're not even from gang.

[Mal]

That was. He was doing it, though.

[Rory]

Yeah, but he's.

[Mal]

I thought this is what he was doing with our hands.

[Rory]

Let me tell you why Rory's fake at the meet. And Green. Atlanta. I threw.

[Mal]

From Atlanta.

[Rory]

Now I threw up the noobs or what is it? What is it?

[Mal]

You can't do that.

[Rory]

Well, I did this right for. That's what me.

[Julian]

That's also blood, too.

[Rory]

So that's what I was telling. I said, I am big homie, right? Just talking shit.

[Damaris]

It's also like a right.

[Rory]

He's like, nah, you can't do that because another nuke was with him. You know, they do their secret. Whenever they hug each other and they tell each other what year they cross each other. Yeah. They like, yo, you know, August 23, 1977. Whatever. They tell each other in the air, right?

[Mal]

It's my mom's birthday. Is it not? 1977? August 23rd.

[Rory]

Oh, that's funny. So nice. Now he's saying he threw up the H. Like he's from Texas with Mike Jones. Why I can't throw up the.

[Mal]

Because Houston is not an organization. Like, you're not part of the fraternity.

[Rory]

It depends on who you talking to.

[Damaris]

Maris over here trying to figure out how to do the.

[Mal]

Oh, that was demon. That was a bad era when all the girls tried to do that.

[Rory]

Oh, my God.

[Mal]

Well, yes, we were.

[Rory]

This is why you got to hug your daughter. See, like this.

[Mal]

We were leaving the Disney track facility for a meet and got to the Orlando airport, and I saw Mike, and, you know.

[Rory]

So you didn't know what to do with your hand?

[Mal]

No.

[Damaris]

You said 281.

[Rory]

Weird.

[Julian]

Rory had to tell me that that was a Houston thing. I never knew that. I never. I'm sure I seen it, but I never connected that this meant, like, Houston. I never.

[Mal]

Not. It's just this.

[Julian]

Oh, this. Okay.

[Mal]

Texas Longhorns.

[Julian]

Oh, I.

[Mal]

It's a Texas thing. It does not necessarily.

[Damaris]

Always horns down, like the Oklahoma. Their whole rivalry. Speaking of rivalries, you guys see all the fights that happened over rivalry week? That was incredible. I like college football.

[Mal]

I mean, nothing was worse than the Bears game.

[Damaris]

What happened in the Bears game?

[Mal]

Coach got fired the next in, like, within two hours.

[Damaris]

Well, he deserved it.

[Julian]

What did he do? He lost.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it was awful. Clock management. He lost his job, had a whole.

[Mal]

Timeout, and just let the clock run out to lose the game.

[Damaris]

And then it was the strangest thing. Had the post Game was like, I wouldn't change a thing. Yeah, all right.

[Rory]

We're going to change some things.

[Mal]

Yeah, we're going to triple down on this. Like.

[Rory]

No, we don't need to change some things. We about to change something right now. Change your locker. Get out of here.

[Julian]

Did you guys see Georgia? I think it was State versus versus Georgia Tech.

[Damaris]

Georgia Tech versus Georgia.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

It was a eighth or eight overtime.

[Julian]

Eight overtimes. I kept waiting for. My mom was like, watch the game with me. The game won't end.

[Damaris]

It was incredible.

[Julian]

I was like, what?

[Rory]

The eight overtimes just means both of y'all sucked. Suck.

[Mal]

That's what I'm getting from offense. Can't do a thing.

[Rory]

Eight overtime. All right, fam. Like, what we doing?

[Damaris]

We kept scoring over time, ruling college is great. So basically, once you get past the second overtime, from third on, it's each team lines up for a two point conversion. And if the first team scores and, you know, it gets a rebuttal, whatever. And they did that. And either they'd both score or they'd both not get it for eight rounds of that.

[Rory]

Yeah, both six rounds. None of them could play defense.

[Mal]

Sense Dion's son bald out. Do. Do we think that they will enter the Father Son hall of Fame eventually? Just speculation. Because he'll probably be like the fourth or fifth pick.

[Rory]

Yeah. When you say hall of Fame, meaning what?

[Mal]

Like, yeah, Archie Manning. Eli Manning, just.

[Rory]

I hope so.

[Mal]

NFL fathers and NFL sons.

[Rory]

I hope so. I hope he. He goes to the NFL and is. He's a little small hall of Fame talent. I think he's. No, he's. He's talented for sure. I just. I don't know if I feel like I don't look at him and feel as confident at the next level as I did when I saw Cam Newton at Auburn.

[Mal]

Well, Cam Newton is like one of one human being.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Like no one has ever built that. That's insane of an athlete that he was.

[Rory]

I think he's the greatest college football player of all time.

[Damaris]

Cam.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Yeah. For what I saw, like, just what I've seen, it'd be him and Reggie Bush.

[Rory]

Well, he did with that Auburn team, like winning it all. Like, I. I don't think nobody else on that team went pro. I don't think. I'm sure if I'm not. Some people did, but I don't think so.

[Mal]

Didn't really do much. It wasn't like that USC team before him or that Texas Longhorn team before him, where it's like half the Team was first rounders.

[Rory]

Yeah. Cam Newton.

[Damaris]

To me, I mean, if we're talking. Yeah. Like our era, what we saw, then I'd probably say Cam. I think everyone would be like Jim Brown, which is like, obviously I wasn't born.

[Mal]

I knew Jim Brown as an actor. Never, never watched him play football.

[Rory]

Not even an activist, just active.

[Mal]

Yeah, I saw him and he got.

[Damaris]

Game staying on Colorado. Hunter the clear favorite for mvp. I mean, how is this going to work with him? He's, he should go number one overall, but it's like, what's he going to do? Play offense and defense? He wants to in the NFL. There's no way that a team is going to let him do both sides.

[Rory]

Yeah, I see him, I see him more as a, as an offensive player though.

[Mal]

I mean, it's been done.

[Julian]

But like that I think Troy Palama.

[Mal]

Yeah, that was Troy Brown. There's been plenty of, of players that have done it in the NFL. I just don't know if it's, if it matters in the NFL because there's so much talent to pick from. Like just put him at wide receiver and we'll get another cornerback. Yeah, I don't know if it's worth.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Hurting him that. But I, I, I, I'd like to see him play wide receiver.

[Rory]

Yeah, same.

[Mal]

But I mean, also is that padding the stats for Young, Young Dion? Cause he's the number one fucking wide receiver.

[Rory]

Yeah, but he's still, you still gotta be able to get him the ball, though.

[Mal]

True. And he's, he had some crazy throws, especially this past.

[Rory]

Still gotta be able to get.

[Damaris]

Their last game together was great. I watched. Well their last home game together. They're obviously gonna get a bowl game.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Oh, NFL hit real quick. Bark Saquon, Barkley Ballin. Will he win the mvp?

[Rory]

Nah.

[Damaris]

You think Derek Henry second or third?

[Rory]

Yeah. Henry I think is probably the favorite.

[Mal]

Josh Allen would get it before Saquon, but Saquon is balling right now.

[Damaris]

He, It's.

[Mal]

I still revisit the clip from Hard Knocks, like to this day of them being like, yeah, we'll let him shop around. We don't need them.

[Rory]

Gotta love the Giants.

[Mal]

Let him get his worth.

[Rory]

Stupid.

[Mal]

Yo, that is the most smug and arrogant GM I've ever seen. But he tries to come off as a humble guy and he's not. Yeah, like the way he handled all that on camera was nuts. That's what I'm happy like telling the an owner, like, man, I don't know. I think this Saquon guy's pretty good. Let's just focus on the quarterback and the offensive line. Where did that get you?

[Rory]

I. I love when GMs and owners downplay a play player and think that they could just let them go and they'll be fine. And then that player goes and is up for mvp. That, to me, is just like. Just because y'all have money don't mean y'all know what the y'all are talking about.

[Mal]

And maybe just because I'm weird in my brain of when I saw that whole thing and he signed with the Eagles, I was like, that's right. Just go six exits, like, down the turnpike. You don't have to shift your life at all. Your family can stay right there, like, dog, I'm gonna go next door.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And get my value. I don't have to go across the country, uproot my life. Literally. I could drive from my house to practice.

[Rory]

Love it. Like, I love that type of. We got one more voicemail.

[Damaris]

Yeah, let's do it.

[Mal]

And as. As we've seen, one of the best karaoke boys to men singers I've witnessed.

[Rory]

Shocking.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Incredible.

[Damaris]

That glaze is crazy.

[Julian]

Yeah. Date night. How y'all.

[Mal]

It was at a birthday party.

[Rory]

Date night.

[Mal]

You think had a date night?

[Julian]

I didn't say, like, y'all went on a date night with each other there. It could have been a double date. I was just wondering how y'all knew Saquan could sing. But I forgot Taylor's birthday, right?

[Mal]

I mean, you didn't have to.

[Rory]

You didn't forget because you just said it and none of us said it, so you didn't forget.

[Mal]

You said you.

[Rory]

No, you're just being funny. It's okay. Just say you talking and you're being funny. It's fine.

[Julian]

No, I have forgot. Tilly said it was a birthday party. You also. You said that on. On air. Whose birthday it was, I think.

[Mal]

Oh, okay. I never knew.

[Rory]

I've said that on air.

[Damaris]

The actual story was Saquon had the mic and Rory said, do we. Do you want to share this one, or should I get. I can turn on.

[Rory]

Is this a duet?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Damaris]

You said you do the yellow lyrics. No, no, no.

[Mal]

What's funny is you guys could clown me about that. But I honestly, if he didn't have his crew with him, like, he had boys to men. It wasn't just Saquon. It was him and his homies. Like, I was thinking, like, maybe I could just be the deep voice in the background, but he had it Covered.

[Rory]

Don't do it. Voicemail.

[Mal]

I can do like the interlude parts.

[Julian]

I'll ask for voicemail 17 times.

[Caller]

Yeah, this cop on from Note New Jersey. I'm 29, I got two kids, a 12 year old boy and a three year old daughter. I was married to my daughter mother.

[Rory]

For a year and a half.

[Mal]

That pause was crazy huge. Didn't know where capo was taking us.

[Damaris]

Jesus. All right, here we go.

[Caller]

We split up asap. Soon as the like, maybe like a week after my daughter was born. We were just doing too much arguing. Arguing there. One of the reasons we was arguing though about a bunch of was because she already had two kids outside of and she wouldn't let me discipline them. Like I'm not saying I'm trying to beat their ass, nothing. But I'm saying like if I just say something to them to correct or to correct them or lay down some rules or whatever in the house. See, I gotta argue with her just because I say something to a kid. Now fast forward to right now. I'm in another relationship with a girl. She just moved into my apartment. She got two kids, a six year old and a daughter is about to be five or whatever. And the same is kind of going on again where it's like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not trying to beat your damn kids. I ain't hurting your kids. I ain't abusing them, nothing. I just go to say something to them and she's starting to like, not as bad as the other girl, but she's starting to like come behind me and say something when I just say something to them when they in it wilding out and it'd be to help her. Cause they drive him crazy. I'm saying, so like what should I do in these situations? Should I just, should I keep. Should I just leave this alone or. I don't know.

[Mal]

I think, I think he should stop moving in with girls before figuring out if he meshes well with their children. Because I'm actually on his side. If we live together and you have kids and I have kids, I think we both together. This is our home. We can discipline everyone in our home. I think that's okay.

[Julian]

Agree.

[Mal]

But before you even get to that point, I feel like those conversations need to happen before you move in together. That's where he's wrong. He's not wrong by yo, this is my house. You have kids, we have this together. Yeah. I will discipline any child that is in this house living with us. That's home. But you gotta have that conversation way earlier, bro. Like.

[Rory]

Yeah, you can't just start disciplining a kid that ain't yours, like, like, without talking to the parent about it.

[Mal]

And, like, I never been. That's not established before you guys move in together.

[Rory]

That's a slippery slope. Like, if your girl has kids and you have kids, and y'all obviously moving y'all together and, like, chastising or, like, you know, disciplining her kid, like, without talking to her, that. That could be a little like. Yo, he's.

[Mal]

He's obviously saying that it's not physical discipline. And I'm not. I'm saying there's obviously bad verbal discipline as well. Well, but if we live together, I'll use myself as an example in a hypothetical world, if I ever lived in a home with another woman and Amara, and we established that we are together, which means I trust this woman. Also trust this woman around my daughter. And we live together. This is also her home. Yes. She's allowed to discipline my child in the home. In a respectful manner, of course. So I don't think he's crazy for thinking that. It just sounds like he rushes into these situations without getting any rules established, and then has egg on his face like, oh, what the fuck? While he's trying to figure it out.

[Julian]

In real time and make sure that y'all discipline is balanced. Like, either y'all have the same discipline type, or you balance each other out. Cause there's sometimes there's a good cop, bad cop parenting style that some people do, but, like, yeah, you gotta know the type of disciplinarian that you're getting into a relationship with. You can't be a gentle parent and then move in with somebody that's a. Sit y'all ass down. Down. Like, it don't. It don't work like that.

[Rory]

Yeah, but some kids need to sit their ass down.

[Julian]

They do. Oh, no. I'm gonna sit y'all ass down. Like, my. My friends all know you going over Auntie Damaris house. It's strict over here.

[Mal]

I thought they were deluxe kids. My niece and nephews.

[Julian]

Bonus kids.

[Mal]

Bonus kids.

[Julian]

Yeah, it's. It's strict over here.

[Rory]

Bonus kids, huh? You discipline your bonus kids? Yeah.

[Mal]

First of all, what's your definition of. Of discipline? Because we don't really know his, so it's hard to gauge on this. What is? Y'all heard.

[Rory]

Go sit your ass down.

[Mal]

If they're doing something wrong, I think that's totally fine.

[Julian]

I don't even think that's Discipline.

[Rory]

Cuz Rory, if, if, if you and your girl broke up and. And her new man, she moves in with him and you find out that.

[Mal]

He talking about my house.

[Rory]

See, that's what I'm saying. When you find out he told go sit your ass down. You putting the camouflage under the eyes and going to the crib.

[Mal]

You're not doing that.

[Rory]

You going to shoot that out. There's no way. Tell your, your daughter go sit her ass down. Okay, but I also must want to die.

[Mal]

I do think, I do think there are situations with healthy step parents that is okay for say a stepfather to discipline his stepdaughter where the biological father.

[Rory]

Call me, call me, call me.

[Julian]

See, you can't do that.

[Rory]

Call me, call me. Dog, ain't no man telling my daughter to go sit down.

[Mal]

No, no, but Mo. See, I think all what you're saying needs to happen before I'm living in a household.

[Rory]

Oh, for sure.

[Mal]

Like you are. You are correct. I'm saying by the time we live together, those conversations have been done. I have kicked it with homie. Like we have a full fucking understanding. And I feel comfortable that this guy won't do some wild shit to my kid.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And yeah, if. If Amar is doing some crazy shit and it's somebody I, you know, I probably won't like them because of just how my DNA is, but trust them.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Because that's, because I need to mature. Yeah. You could throw a little sauce on it. Like. Oh, don't fucking. Well, don't say fuck.

[Rory]

But see, look, you go keep making edits. You go keep making edits to the discipline.

[Mal]

Amar, don't touch. I'm cool.

[Rory]

Yeah. If it's a hot skillet in the oven, then yes, I would hope she.

[Mal]

Knows she witnessed that firsthand.

[Rory]

Yeah. I would hope and say, hey, don't touch that. But I mean like if some, if, if your, if your baby. Mother's new boyfriend or, you know, husband. She's married, it's like discipline. Yelling at your daughter.

[Mal]

No, no, I wouldn't, I wouldn't like that unless it was warranted. And there's sometimes I think there is a reason to yell at your children.

[Rory]

Oh, 100. Listen, I mean, the marriage is here. Go sit your ass down.

[Julian]

Go sit your ass down.

[Mal]

I'm from that.

[Julian]

Yeah. I'm a whisperer.

[Rory]

Go sit your. That university. I like that.

[Julian]

But also, I mean. Yeah, again, like you said, the parents need to communicate. I've had to have a conversation with a bonus child's mother from somebody I was Dating. And their child lived with us. And she. You know, kids get older and they. They notice that the parents don't get along, and they try to play the parents against each other. Like, oh, she yelled at me this, this, and that. So she came to me and was like, you yelled at my daughter? I said, I did, in fact, yell at your daughter. Your daughter was kicking her cousin in the bowling alley. Foot was like. Like Jackie Chan Knight. So I said, put your foot on the ground. No, that wasn't yelling. She understood what I was saying, though. So, like. But you got to have those conversations because you got to know me to know that I'm not taking out any type of generational trauma or hurt or self hate on your daughter. Like a. A lot of women do or a lot of parents do. No, I want your kid to be the best version of themselves. And if they going to be around me, they going to act like they got some goddamn common sense. If you don't like that, then don't have them around me.

[Mal]

Yo, if. If Kia's new dude came up to me and said, I want Amar to be the best version of herself, I would knock him clean the fuck out.

[Julian]

But that's. But you understand that. That's. I just want you to get your.

[Mal]

Daughter to be the best version of herself after you are yelling at my daughter. I'm killing everybody.

[Julian]

Do you see how immature that is, though?

[Mal]

Yes, I'm immature.

[Rory]

Yo, what would hurt you more? Finding condoms in your daughter's drawer or a sheisty?

[Mal]

Yo, they may have a connection.

[Rory]

Whose shiesty is it?

[Mal]

You fucking the guy with the shies?

[Damaris]

Feisty.

[Rory]

You the shooter? Yo, your daughter the shooter is crazy.

[Mal]

Where did he tell you to hide his gun?

[Rory]

You find out your daughter's the shooter, and you ain't no shooter.

[Julian]

Would you rather she? Would you rather she the. They sent to the store?

[Mal]

Who's the good person in this?

[Rory]

I mean, Uber Eats. That's.

[Julian]

Uber Eats.

[Damaris]

Yeah. This is, like.

[Rory]

That's honest.

[Damaris]

This is such a bad. Like, there's no winner.

[Mal]

If I found condoms and a shiesty, I would ask, like, all right, where did he ask you to hide the gun? It better not be in my house. If you think I'm going down for a class A felony.

[Rory]

Yo, I cannot wait for Amar to get in high school. Yo, Rory is gonna lose his mind.

[Mal]

Condoms would not make me feel good. But I would hope I would be having that conversation with her before, like, I found the condoms.

[Rory]

No, fuck the condoms. The shiesty, though.

[Mal]

We gonna move to a warm climate where no shiestys will be inside.

[Julian]

No, that's where they be.

[Mal]

I. Florida. They be wearing this. I'm like, yo, I know he was hot on that robbery.

[Rory]

Yeah, his gun was hot, too. Just finished shooting that.

[Julian]

Now it's in your garage.

[Mal]

Why didn't he take his shiesty?

[Rory]

Yo, if your daughter hiding the gun, that's crazy.

[Julian]

That's a different level.

[Mal]

It worked out for Karen and Goodfellas.

[Rory]

You saw what she hit it at.

[Mal]

Blew my mind.

[Rory]

Put it in a crotch.

[Mal]

I was like, that's the milk containers. It's from the front door.

[Julian]

They weren't gonna find it. Karen. They were. They were gonna find it.

[Mal]

In her defense, in that point, they were gonna.

[Julian]

They were gonna find out the drugs.

[Rory]

Yeah, he was just a. Yeah, he was idiot.

[Mal]

But if I asked you to hide a gun, don't hide it in the milk thing at the front door. That gets replaced by the milkman every day.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, that was stupid.

[Mal]

I think that bloody gun.

[Rory]

Yeah, that was dumb.

[Julian]

But back to homie with the. That called and asked us for advice. Advice. Yeah. Like we all said, you need to have these conversations before you move women into your house. And also, there's a thing with single moms that I've ex. I've seen from the single moms that I know. They're very overprotective of their children because they feel like they have to be because they've been doing it alone. Alone for so long. So there is something that comes with that.

[Mal]

So to me, he sounds like a serial monogamous. Like he hops from full blown relationship to full blown relationship, family to family, and probably just needs to like, chill for a second and take. Take your time with this. There's nothing wrong with dating a woman that has kids and blending families, that's completely fine. But that also requires you to take a lot of time and care in how you're going to do that. Not just moving in with each other. You laughing at.

[Damaris]

I just. I pulled up what's on the screen. I'm just ready for Mal to.

[Mal]

Oh, statement from. I mean, we cannot talk about this.

[Damaris]

This ball. Go.

[Rory]

Listen, did you think he wasn't gonna pardon his son?

[Damaris]

I like the move.

[Mal]

I like the move, too.

[Damaris]

I like it. I think it's. Why not.

[Rory]

Nah, but don't say that, cuz. See? All right, cool. I like the move. All I'm saying is, is one of Trump's kids gets caught up in some. I don't want to hear Y'all saying, oh, they need to throw them in jail. That don't. I don't want to hear. Keep it even.

[Mal]

No, keep it even. I think they're all criminals across the board. I think all. All politicians and their.

[Damaris]

Trump has proven that he'll get criminal doctor Michael Flynn.

[Rory]

But this is the man.

[Mal]

You don't think. I think that President Trump will pardon his kid.

[Rory]

This is the man that created the crack.

[Mal]

He's gonna pardon himself.

[Rory]

He created the crack laws.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And his son got caught with a shitload of crack.

[Mal]

It was. It's a gun, right? That's what it was. A gun and not paying his taxes.

[Rory]

I think he had crack, so enough crack to put somebody away for life. Now he's pardoned.

[Mal]

It was.

[Rory]

I'm just saying.

[Mal]

Two hookers, crack and a gun. Seemed like a fun weekend.

[Rory]

I'm just saying my uncle did time for 2 grams because of Joe Biden. That's all I'm saying.

[Mal]

You know why I like the move? I typically wouldn't. Why I like the move is I think it was a big fuck you to the Democratic Party around him, because I do believe Joe Biden, when he initially said, I will not be partying my son if he's guilty. I believe at that time he felt that way. I think he is now about to get.

[Rory]

He didn't feel that way. He didn't even want to admit they was fucking had business with Russia.

[Mal]

That's because he was involved in that.

[Rory]

Exactly.

[Mal]

Had the.

[Damaris]

Had Kamala won, I don't think he.

[Julian]

I don't think he would have done it.

[Mal]

I don't think he'd do it either. I think he's pissed off his own party. I think his wife also, outside of that being a family, is even more pissed off at Nancy Pelosi, Obama, Kamala, everyone in the Kamala one, she would have did it.

[Rory]

She would have pardoned him.

[Julian]

Kamala would not have pardoned Hunter.

[Mal]

I don't think so.

[Julian]

I do not think so.

[Mal]

I don't think her and Biden get along whatsoever. I think she wouldn't do it just despite Joe Biden. I think Biden hates everyone in the Democratic Party. It's that he can remember at the moment when he's not eating oatmeal and ice cream. Like when he gets, you know how people with Alzheimer's, like, sometimes just get these moments of clarity. I think that keeps repeating in his head. And he gets pissed off every morning when he remembers what they did.

[Rory]

Did Trump release a statement yet about him pardoning Biden?

[Damaris]

I don't believe so.

[Rory]

I'm sure he did.

[Mal]

I'm not on truth. Truth.org no.

[Rory]

He's on Twitter. He's back, baby. He's on.

[Mal]

I know he's on.

[Rory]

He's on X. Big X.

[Mal]

But he's still. A lot of the X stuff that gets posted is via Truth. They say it.

[Rory]

And a lot of the videos that are going viral now with Trump saying this, that, and third, those are videos from two. Two years ago ago, three years ago. I.

[Mal]

Listen, man, I hope Biden shakes some more shit up before for January. Go nuts while you have the power.

[Damaris]

Sorry. Yeah, I like the move. I said privately with my family, I was talking about him potentially doing this long before this became a thing. I said, I think the fault of the Democrats is they still put the Constitution in the party and the morals of what politics should be ahead of their own interest to a fault. I said. So much so that I don't think Biden will pardon his son. So him seeing him do this is Toroy's point. It's a fuck you to everybody. It's like, fuck it. They play by these games. We can, too. Why not? I'm gonna get my son out of here.

[Mal]

He told the whole world that I was completely fine, and then one day was like, nah, your vice president is now.

[Rory]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Mal]

I think he hates them.

[Rory]

We gonna see. Well, tickets available now. We do have. Have our last show of the year, Rory. December 14th, Gramercy Theater in. In New York City. Some tickets are still available now. Can't wait to see everybody there. We always have fun at the New York shows this time of year around the holidays. Before closing, though, I do want to send a special thank you to Dr. Fig and the entire veterinarian team at Virginia Tech. Me and my family, we had to put down our family dog last night.

[Mal]

Sorry to hear that.

[Rory]

Yeah, man, that was one of the toughest things I ever had to do. But the entire staff was beyond gracious. Great. I know they gave him as much comfort as they could, you know, before we had to make the. The difficult decision to put them down. So special thank you to Dr. Fig and the entire veterinarian staff at Virginia Tech. Appreciate you and everything that y'all did.

[Mal]

To the burn specialist. I can't remember your name, but thanks for my hand.

[Damaris]

Wait, that's crazy. I mean, it's an awful coincidence, but my brother's dog, they just put him down, like, over the break. When I was home, it was my niece's first real Loss.

[Rory]

Yeah. We just put him down and I mean, when I got down there, Wednesday, perfectly fine. Great.

[Damaris]

Oh, really?

[Mal]

Damn.

[Rory]

Friday started, had just like a little limp. We thought maybe he jumped off the couch and just hurt his leg or something. That was Friday and Saturday. Woke up and he was literally dragging himself. Couldn't even move his back legs.

[Mal]

Tumor?

[Rory]

No, he developed. It's common in Frenches. It's called ivdd.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

It's very common in French. In French bulldogs. But his. Developed so rapidly, it was just like, you know, and then we took him in, and they said, like, his spine was starting to liquefy. So it was like it was nothing. They could.

[Damaris]

Exact same thing that happened.

[Rory]

It was nothing that they could do for him. Like, it was just, you know, well, and then because he was non verbal, like, he didn't bark. He wasn't like a aggressive dog. Never really barked, nothing like that. So he wouldn't even weep if he was in pain. He wouldn't even. You know what I mean? Like, he just was that type of dog. So. But they, you know, they let us know that it was.

[Mal]

Was.

[Rory]

It was absolutely nothing they could do. And, you know, he was in pain, but he couldn't. He would eventually become completely paralyzed, so.

[Mal]

Damn. Well, my condolences.

[Rory]

Yeah, man.

[Mal]

Dog person. So that.

[Rory]

Oh, man.

[Mal]

I view that as. As like family members.

[Rory]

Oh, God.

[Mal]

My condolences to you for sure.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Especially around the holidays.

[Rory]

Yeah, that was. That was. That was tough.

[Damaris]

But all dogs go to heaven.

[Rory]

That's a fact. That's a fact.

[Mal]

I want to go to that heaven. That would be so much fun. Fun puppy. Have him. Yeah.

[Damaris]

Like, there's a bunch of dogs and dmx, man.

[Rory]

Sounds like. Sounds like dogs and dmx.

[Damaris]

What?

[Rory]

What's up with you, bro? Oh, yeah, I get it.

[Mal]

I mean, I'm so sad about X, but I feel like his last thought before he did go to the other side was, I get to see boomer.

[Rory]

Yeah. 100%.

[Mal]

Yeah. I definitely think X is. Is with where all the dogs are in 100%.

[Rory]

Absolutely. All right, well, this has been fun. Good to see y'all. Welcome back. Yeah, man. And enjoy the rest of our week. Be safe, be blessed. I'm. That he's just Ginger. Peace, no worry, and mouth.