Episode 337 | Defaming Hip Hop

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & MAL - Episode 337 | Defaming Hip Hop

Hosts: Rory Farrell & Jamil "Mal" Clay
Producer: Studio71
Release Date: January 17, 2025

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In Episode 337 of "New Rory & MAL," titled "Defaming Hip Hop," hosts Rory Farrell and Jamil "Mal" Clay delve deep into the tumultuous intersection of hip-hop culture and legal battles, focusing primarily on the high-stakes defamation case involving renowned artist Drake and his major label, Universal Music Group (UMG). The episode weaves through heated discussions, personal anecdotes, and critical analyses of the evolving dynamics within the music industry.

1. Introduction to Defaming Hip Hop

The episode kicks off with the hosts setting the stage for a gripping conversation about the recent fallout between Drake and UMG. The central issue revolves around a rap battle track where defamatory statements were allegedly made against Drake, leading to significant legal repercussions.

2. The Drake vs. UMG Defamation Case

a. Background of the Rap Battle

Rory introduces the conflict, explaining that during a rap battle between Drake and Kendrick Lamar, disparaging remarks were made that Drake claims have tarnished his reputation. This culminated in Drake filing a defamation lawsuit against UMG.

b. Legal Implications and Perspectives

• Rory's Stance: Rory firmly believes that Drake's lawsuit is justified, highlighting the potential contract violations and the serious nature of defamatory content.

  "I think he has a case and I think he'll win." ([52:16])

• Mal and Damaris's Debate: Mal contends that while the lawsuit appears legitimate, there's a lack of clear evidence presented. Damaris seeks precedent cases to validate Drake's claims, emphasizing the cultural norms within hip-hop that may not traditionally support such legal actions.

  "We're as far as a breach of contract. That's not in this lawsuit. As far as a breach of contract, it's strictly about defamation." ([33:20])

c. Impact on Hip-Hop Culture

The conversation shifts to how this legal battle might influence hip-hop culture, where lyrical battles often involve personal attacks without legal consequences. The hosts debate whether Drake's actions set a new precedent for accountability in artistic expressions.

3. Social Media and Public Perception

The hosts explore the role of social media platforms like TikTok and X (formerly Twitter) in amplifying defamatory content. They discuss the potential shutdown of TikTok and how algorithm changes on X might perpetuate negative narratives.

• Rory on Algorithm Influence:

  "If you click one Republican thing, that's what you're getting. That's the dangerous part." ([09:47])

• Damaris on Pornography Concerns: Damaris raises concerns about increased hate accounts and explicit content on X, linking it to the broader conversation about online defamation.

  "There's so much misinformation on that fucking app." ([06:25])

4. Brand Protection and Legal Strategies

The discussion intensifies as the hosts evaluate Drake's motivations behind the lawsuit. Rory suggests that Drake is protecting his brand and reputation, especially in light of defamatory labels being spread online.

• Rory on Brand Protection:

  "He was protecting his brand and his state of mind." ([65:35])

Mal counters by questioning the completeness of their understanding, urging listeners to consider contractual nuances that might not be publicly disclosed.

5. Broader Implications for the Music Industry

The hosts speculate on how such lawsuits could affect major labels and artists' relationships moving forward. They debate whether this battle could lead to greater transparency between Digital Service Providers (DSPs) and major labels, as Drake initially sought through his petition before the defamation case took center stage.

• Rory on Industry Practices:

  "I fully believe that UMG has done some grimy shit to Drake..." ([36:32])

6. Off-Topic Discussions and Lighthearted Moments

Towards the latter part of the episode, the conversation veers into lighter territories such as current fashion trends and humorous anecdotes about personal experiences. Despite the gravity of the main topic, the hosts maintain an engaging and relatable tone, ensuring the dialogue remains dynamic and entertaining.

• Fashion Trends Insight:

  "Big pants. Yeah, yeah. Parachute pants." ([90:37])

• Personal Stories and Humor:

  "She was wearing a sheisty, it was cold." ([90:31])

7. Conclusion and Future Discussions

As the episode wraps up, Rory, Mal, and Damaris reflect on the intense dialogue they've shared. They express a mutual agreement to revisit the defamation case once it's concluded, promising listeners a comprehensive analysis based on the lawsuit's outcome.

"We are going to continue this once this entire case is closed..." ([65:45])

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Notable Quotes:

• Rory:

  "He was protecting his brand and his state of mind." ([65:35])

• Mal:

  "His lawyers know more than we do." ([58:18])

• Damaris:

  "I never did team follow back, but I will." ([13:44])

• Rory:

  "Rap is perception." ([57:53])

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Key Takeaways:

• The episode provides an in-depth exploration of the legal challenges artists may face when defamatory content intersects with creative expression.
• Hosts debate the legitimacy and cultural impact of Drake's lawsuit against UMG, highlighting differing perspectives within the hip-hop community.
• The role of social media in shaping public perception and perpetuating defamatory narratives is critically examined.
• Future episodes are promised to offer updates and deeper insights once the defamation case concludes.

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For more insights and discussions, stay tuned to "New Rory & MAL" as Rory Farrell and Jamil "Mal" Clay continue to navigate the intricate landscapes of hip-hop, culture, and beyond.

Transcript

[Damaris]

No worry and now.

[Maul]

Major distribution man.

[Damaris]

My label on my dick for real with your friend and she ain't tell.

[Rory]

You y'all ain't for real I've been.

[Damaris]

Out here crushing on success now she my bitch for real you say I'm.

[Maul]

Persuasive girl but you can't spell that.

[Damaris]

Shit for real.

[Maul]

In this mansion I'm a Carly caulking paid in full I'm a cob fife know your time we just did dinner for three hours Lying.

[Rory]

To me all night buying beating Spencers out of spite Paid a hundred rand or something light simple price to keep.

[Damaris]

Them out my life booby trap we.

[Maul]

Need a business office Magic City need a business office 29 I keep up.

[Rory]

In this office I'm in love with.

[Maul]

Houston Dallas Austin Tell your guys to.

[Rory]

Hold off on a team chain Seem like they may need money for coffins Cuban girl, a family grind coffee text.

[Maul]

Me on the signal don't call me Major distribution labels call me Bad bunny numbers it's a robbery. 500 million just for Aubrey. Yeah, major distribution high popping Mention me to be the hottest topic Same place you send your shopping okay. Go stupid, go stupid Go stupid Go stupid, Go stupid, go stupid okay. Okay. Baby D, what's up? You all right?

[Damaris]

Yeah, I'm okay.

[Maul]

How you feeling?

[Damaris]

I've been better, but I'm okay.

[Maul]

Okay.

[Rory]

All right. We do. We do have to be very gentle with Damaris today because there is a chance that TikTok will be gone.

[Maul]

That's why I asked her how she's doing, because I know, you know, she knows. She was hoping that her president elect, Donald Trump, would save TikTok.

[Damaris]

I wrote him a letter.

[Maul]

Yeah, he gonna get in there and make some things happen, I think. You know, we just gotta get him in office first. He has other things on the priority list. And then we'll get to TikTok.

[Damaris]

I know I'm just.

[Maul]

World peace.

[Damaris]

And then TikTok, because they were like, yeah, Elon Musk was talking about buying it. And I know that Elon Musk ruins everything he touches. And even still, I was like, there's hope. Like, maybe, like, he's gonna ruin it, but, like, still, it'll still be there, you know?

[Rory]

Well, I heard rumblings that they were maybe gonna sell it to Meek. I saw that on Elon's X.

[Maul]

Well, Meek definitely threw his hat in the bidding ring and said, you know, the Meekness. Meek is the greatest tweet of all time.

[Damaris]

Meek Mill.

[Maul]

Yeah, he's the greatest tweet of all time.

[Rory]

He's. He's definitely up. I would say.

[Maul]

You don't know anybody that tweets better than Meek.

[Rory]

Twitter and Instagram were very lonely when he was in jail.

[Maul]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

Everything was much better. I will say, though, speaking of spelling, Fabio is a close second. He's a sleeper when it comes to social media.

[Maul]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

He has some insane things. He should have been in our spelling bee.

[Maul]

It's 1A, 1B with meek and Fabio.

[Rory]

I would have been able to actually, like, maybe beat a person in our spelling bee.

[Maul]

Nah, Fabio would have cooked you. He'd have got you right out of there.

[Rory]

I mean, I did. I'm not even going to say the words that I spelled wrong, but I feel like I could get some of those Fabio misspellings off. What, do you spell Miami wrong or something?

[Damaris]

Yeah, but he spelled Miami wrong. He spelled Houston wrong. I don't even know how you spell Houston wrong. But he spelled Houston wrong. He spelled Jewish wrong. But, I mean, that could have been to his benefit. And then he said, no cap, no yarmulke.

[Maul]

So no cap, no yarmulke.

[Rory]

But see, that's just poetry, because you're not understanding. The yarmulke is the cap. It's a montandra. I mean, but he does post tweets that are, like, Meek esque. Meek is definitely his inspiration. I think this past year, he said, I'm the best father in the world, though, but happy Father's Day. I don't even know where the structure in that.

[Damaris]

He didn't, but. No, but he didn't even say father. He said, I'm the best father in the world. Happy Father's Day. Spelling father wrong twice.

[Maul]

Well, that's because him in one tweet, he lives in a different separate home from his kids. His kids stay with us.

[Damaris]

Oh, so he's the father.

[Rory]

So he's a farther father.

[Maul]

He's farther away from the kids.

[Rory]

Again, back to poetry. It went over your head. You didn't understand.

[Maul]

I don't even understand. Y'all don't understand.

[Rory]

But what. What is the logic? Let's take out the spelling mistakes. What was he really trying to get at? Like, just because he's the best father, I can't get a happy Father's Day? Like, he was saying he was. It was like him doing us a favor by himself.

[Maul]

Like, I guess. I guess.

[Rory]

I'll tell you, y'all can. I guess this holiday is for y'all. Like, this is Fabio Day, in my opinion.

[Maul]

Yeah, yeah. Yo, he's the best father though.

[Rory]

All right, so we. Do we think those rumors are true? Do we think Meek may get TikTok by the 19th?

[Damaris]

Pretty shit by. By the next three days. Now, I don't think that's gonna happen.

[Maul]

It's gonna be tough, man.

[Rory]

You don't think the dreams of Nightmares money could afford the highest user app?

[Maul]

Now you pocket watching Meek see, now you count possess.

[Rory]

My bad.

[Maul]

You don't know what Meek be doing.

[Rory]

With how much he be day trading.

[Maul]

I don't know. Yeah, you don't know how many dreams he chasing. How many dreams did he catch? You don't even know.

[Rory]

See also my favorite tweet from Meek in the same, like, hour that he said, sell TikTok to me. He said if they get rid of TikTok, we going to X. He said it on X.

[Maul]

On X. Yeah.

[Rory]

He said it to all of us that were on.

[Maul]

Just letting y'all know where we'll be at.

[Rory]

He said on Instagram and then put a link like, yo, we all going.

[Maul]

Over here, just letting you know if. If y'all don't know where we'll be. If they take TikTok, we'll be right here.

[Rory]

That's like, if he went to the club and he's like, yo, we all out to the club, Yo, Dimash, you.

[Maul]

Think Elon destroyed X like Twitter?

[Damaris]

Have you been on X lately?

[Maul]

Yeah, every day. Going in and just read and just kind of cool.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I'm cool.

[Rory]

He didn't. All right, Twitter was definitely in a downward spiral. Like, it stopped being fun. And then Elon. Elon brought chaos, chaos, chaos back to Twitter, in my opinion, which is what was needed. Yeah, but he brought, like, some crazier people than just, like, what fun black Twitter was. He brought, like, the whole Right with him. Like, the same way Facebook got taken over by your Republican uncle and aunt. Like, that's where now I feel like X is at. Still funny and chaotic, but.

[Maul]

But I mean, you don't see that, like, unless you follow that.

[Damaris]

No, no.

[Rory]

How he did the algorithm thing. Yeah. You catch if you click one tweet about a certain topic, you're going to see that for the rest of the day.

[Maul]

And like, oh, well, stay off that tweet then.

[Rory]

Sometimes if I just don't scroll fast enough.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

They think that I looked at it, and then I'm just gonna get a whole bunch of that.

[Maul]

Okay.

[Damaris]

On top of allowing what he calls free speech has allowed for so many more fake hate accounts. Like, the. The hate has increased on X.

[Rory]

Like, oh, for sure.

[Damaris]

Substantially. Like, if you tweet the words black men, black women, white women, it's a fucking field day. Like, it's absolutely insane, the porn. I know a lot of people are complaining about the porn, but to the people that complain about the porn, I personally tell them, if you stop looking at the porn so much, you won't get so much porn. But they're not feeding porn to your kids. Your kids are going to looking for porn. There's also a porn blocker on Twitter. But whatever. But, yeah, like, it just. It's not.

[Maul]

Who does that?

[Damaris]

Under people who are. Are 16 years old and watching that shit.

[Rory]

And, like, there's. There's been times, even over the weekend, I took Amara to the indoor playground, and, like, when she's having fun, I'll just check my phone every now and then, scroll through the timeline. I'm at a kid's indoor playground, and it's just, like, pussy of, like, oh, shit, gotta put my phone down. So I don't, like, end up on a list. Like, I was the guy watching porn at a kid's indoor playground. You can't escape it.

[Maul]

Rory said, I gotta put my phone down. He pulled his phone back out and bookmarked it.

[Rory]

Oh, no. I had to go back and find it. Like, I didn't get a good look at it.

[Damaris]

He didn't refresh. He wanted to go back.

[Maul]

He wasn't in the right place to view that content at the moment. But you did want to go back to it and kind of, you know.

[Rory]

Give it standard fave for pussy. Retweet for ass.

[Maul]

Like, yeah, yeah, you got.

[Damaris]

Are y'all gonna. This sounds crazy. I know. It was about to sound crazy as far as, like, are you going to explain the dangers of porn to, like, your teenagers?

[Rory]

Yeah. Which that wasn't in our birds and bees conversation because porn wasn't so, yeah, like, readily available. But that is something I think our generation will be the first to do with their kids to talk about the actual dangers of porn. Like, that you can go get addicted and fuck your entire perception of sex up. Like, this is not for you.

[Maul]

Right.

[Rory]

I'm kind of. That is kind of the one thing I do agree with your side about. I do think porn is very damaging.

[Maul]

Oh, no.

[Rory]

Especially the young developing brains. Keep that shit away from you.

[Maul]

Yeah, no, it's definitely something that you should definitely talk to your kids about and, you know, just let them know, even though kids get to age, they're gonna explore, they're gonna find things. But I think if you give them that conversation beforehand. They. Even when they do find it, they go into it knowing, like, yo, this is not really something I should be consuming too much of.

[Rory]

Cause you could even, like, monitor their tweets and follow them and this and that. You can't monitor their timeline. Yeah, like, that shit will be.

[Maul]

It's gonna happen eventually. You could.

[Rory]

It's not your browser history.

[Maul]

Like, yeah, you can prepare kids for. I know some of my best friends that grew up in some really nice households and they're doing 15 years in prison.

[Rory]

But that. That's what's so funny about the rights, like, alliance with Elon, because to them, nuclear family porn is the devil. God, this and that. Elon has like 15 kids by 74 baby mothers. He has so much porn on his. Like, he is quite the opposite of what the standard Republican is. And listen, I'm here for the space X shit. But that whole we're killing legacy media and the truth is here by the people. Fuck your community notes. There's so much misinformation on that fucking app. Like, yes, Fox, cnn, msnbc, all bullshit. But don't come here and tell me that this is the truth.

[Maul]

I mean, you're gonna always have bullshit. Nothing is gonna be bullshit. Free or nothing is gonna be 100% facts all the time. But I think that they have done a pretty decent job, as much as they can of kind of limiting fake stories and things like that and eliminating it. And, you know, people do a good job of jumping on those tweets, like, this is fake. Posting the real link, like, the facts and things like that. Like, I mean, there's only so much.

[Rory]

You could do, and it's just a crazier echo chamber of a rabbit hole for whatever opinion you're reading at the time. Like, the way if you're watching Fox, you're always going to get the right. Watching cnn, you're always going to get the left. And no other opinion. X is like that on steroids. If I click one Republican thing, that's what I'm getting. And people just stay over there because it's in their algorithms. That's the dangerous part.

[Maul]

To me, it's interesting seeing people that you like were some of your first followers on Twitter. Like, if you had your Twitter account as long as I've had, how do you see that? I'm just saying, like, people that still pop up on your.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, okay.

[Maul]

Like, you're like, damn, we've been following each other for over 14 years probably.

[Rory]

I think I made my Twitter in 08 or 09.

[Maul]

Yeah, that's nuts when you think about, like, you and somebody. We've been following each other for 14 years. Like. Yeah, that's insane when you think about it.

[Rory]

Like, I could have watched you have a 15 year old now.

[Maul]

Yeah, that's.

[Rory]

That's fucking nuts.

[Maul]

That's longer than that. Shout out to Chris. He. He had a. You know his son that he has on his. He's been posting his son on his page for forever. And he posted his son the other day, and his son is now 21, 21st birthday. I was like, dog, like, there's no way. Like, I watched your kid grow up. Like, remember when you was like, washing his face, like, taking him to school in the morning? Like, he was like 4 or 5 years old. Like 21 years old now.

[Rory]

And it's all from team Followback.

[Maul]

Nah, that was a team follow back. That's somebody I really know.

[Damaris]

Yo.

[Maul]

Team Followback.

[Rory]

He was definitely team Followback.

[Damaris]

Never.

[Maul]

How long you been following me on social media? On Twitter? Probably since, what, 2012 maybe?

[Rory]

Yeah, probably around then. Yeah. Whenever palooza started.

[Maul]

Surprised.

[Rory]

I think that was probably around the time I think you came to, like, the second Palooza or some. I think that might have been the first time I met you. So, yeah, 2012 or 2013, I probably.

[Maul]

Started following you, whichever palooza it was.

[Rory]

And your fake tweets. Yeah, I was there. I know they're fake.

[Maul]

It's all fake.

[Rory]

Shout out to Bills.

[Maul]

Whichever palooza that was at. In Harlem on. I think it was 100.

[Rory]

Yeah, at the Kappa Castle. That was the third one. So that was 2012 or 13 or something like that. Yeah. And then I followed you, realized what a piece of shit you were. But it's been nice to see over the years how you've developed into more of a piece of shit.

[Maul]

Come on, man.

[Rory]

No growth. No growth at all from sweet one to now.

[Damaris]

So y'all really never did. I never did team follow back, but I will. This is so embarrassing that I'm admitting this. I remember DJ Zeedy.

[Rory]

Of course.

[Damaris]

I definitely Twitter legend. I definitely was one of the girls that dj. I submitted photos for DJ ZD support.

[Maul]

No way.

[Rory]

You was a ziti girl. You had the T shirt.

[Maul]

You was a big cd.

[Damaris]

The T shirt.

[Rory]

It's a big Z.

[Maul]

He was a big ziti.

[Rory]

For those that don't know, this gentleman by the name of DJ ZD on Twitter started this trend.

[Maul]

Was he an actual dj?

[Rory]

Yeah, he was.

[Maul]

Okay.

[Rory]

I've heard him DJ before, too. Okay. He would post like, ladies, send me a selfie. I think that's how it started. It would just be a thread of all these pretty women. And I think ZD magazine, he realized what he had on his hands and he was like, well, I mean, let me see some cleavage. And that went to a whole different place.

[Maul]

You showed us some cleavage.

[Damaris]

No, I don't. I don't have cleavage. I think I was one of the ones that was like short girls or something like that.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Posted it.

[Rory]

You were more on the PG side until it got. It got a little crazy.

[Damaris]

It was very, very embarrassing.

[Maul]

You was a jet ZD of the week, Jetsy. He was ZD of the week, yo.

[Damaris]

You've done very embarrassing. I'm so happy that my old Twitter is non existent.

[Maul]

It got deleted every 20.

[Damaris]

No, my old Twitter is delete has been deleted. I can't get it. I deactivated it for more than 30 days. You know me getting off social media, I deactivated for more than 30 days. So my old Twitter I've had since 2010, 2011 is gone. Yeah.

[Maul]

All right.

[Rory]

Yeah. And I used to see that, like, God damn, she fine. But she tweeting ziti all the time. Like, I couldn't.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, because at that point it started to be like, nah, she. You can't wife the girl that keeps sending ziti the photos.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

If you said it, it sounded like hate too. Now. Now you hating on zd sounding like.

[Maul]

Hey, anytime you go against what's going on, you. You hating. It's always. It's always the same.

[Rory]

What did two dope boys do with their, like, they did like, their model shit as well. Or like, whatever girl it was called.

[Damaris]

Really?

[Rory]

Oh, damn. I need to find it.

[Maul]

Two dope boys. Wow.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Shout out to Mechan and shake. So they did. Damn, I forgot the name of it. But Kia won't be mad for me telling this. I found out, like, maybe a few months into us talking, I saw that she was on like a too dope hottie of the week. I was like, nah, man, not my baby.

[Maul]

You felt that she was two dope.

[Rory]

Boys bombshell or some shit. I'm like, they did a write up.

[Damaris]

I'm like, damn. Not a feature piece.

[Rory]

And then one. And then I was at like a backyard barbecue at my man Corey Townshouse, and Mech was there DJing and Kia was with me. And I was like, damn, man. Now I gotta. Now I gotta remind him that she was a two dope bombshell.

[Damaris]

You don't. You didn't have to remind him.

[Maul]

That's hilarious.

[Damaris]

You didn't have to remind him, actually.

[Maul]

I mean, but it's nothing if it.

[Rory]

Was like, what's funny is Kia didn't even know she was on it. Like, she wasn't on Twitter like that. So I guess they found her IG and it's not like they put it on their ig, they just put it on the blog. And I think we were googling something, and it came up there, and I was like, nah, it was a tudo potty.

[Maul]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

Out the loop with hip hop. So she was like, what's two doughboys? I was like, it's like one of the greatest blogs that ever existed in hip hop. But, I mean, now I can't even look at you the same.

[Maul]

Wait, so she didn't know it was on there up until when?

[Rory]

Until we both found it on the Internet.

[Maul]

How long ago was this did you. Y'all found it?

[Rory]

Like, a year.

[Damaris]

So how do you get around?

[Maul]

She didn't know him until.

[Rory]

No, she didn't. They an interview where they just like, oh, I guess they found her IG and, like, explained what she was doing. I don't fucking know.

[Maul]

Wait, she didn't know until a year ago?

[Rory]

Yeah, and this was. I mean, she must have been, like, 21 when they put it up.

[Maul]

That's crazy, finding out a year ago that you was on 2 dope. And that had to be, what, 20? What?

[Rory]

I'm trying to find it out.

[Damaris]

It.

[Rory]

It was so Saturday night sexy. How did you find it?

[Maul]

Saturday night sexy.

[Damaris]

Oh, damn. Your baby mom, though.

[Maul]

Had your baby Saturday night sexy, dog. Oh, my God. How you be him? A Saturday night sex.

[Rory]

Pull it up. Why can't I find it? I even typed in Saturday night sexy.

[Maul]

You know why you can't find it? You had it wiped from there.

[Rory]

Why?

[Maul]

I can't find it. You know what?

[Rory]

Okay.

[Maul]

Saturday night sexy.

[Damaris]

Yo, that's fucking hilarious.

[Rory]

Yeah, that. That was. That was a rough day, man.

[Maul]

I mean, listen, man, at least you know that your BM has always been.

[Rory]

A beautiful woman, according to Shaken and Mech. I mean, she's always been once. At that point, I was like, well, let's have a child if shaking mech feels way about you. I'm a legendary site.

[Maul]

Yeah, you was a Saturday night sexy. All right, man, we got. We got to procreate. I mean, it's only right.

[Rory]

Stop joking around. We just laughed about it, but, you know, it was definitely a fun day to, like, make Kia feel like I thought that was a bad thing. Like, damn. He was. He was one of them.

[Maul]

Oh, my God. You got to.

[Rory]

I didn't even know I was on that.

[Maul]

You got to make it uncomfortable. You have to. It's only right.

[Rory]

Damn, man.

[Maul]

Damn. Not my baby. Saturday night sexy. Damn.

[Rory]

How many bodies is Saturday night sexy?

[Maul]

Oh, you know, if you let the Internet tell it, she done.

[Rory]

That's a thousand bodies.

[Maul]

Yeah, that's like.

[Rory]

That's like, if a blogger posts a photo that's already up.

[Maul]

Yeah, that's a thousand. You know, she been ran through.

[Damaris]

All right, yo. All right.

[Rory]

It was a joke before.

[Maul]

I'm saying that's what the Internet would. Would try to create that type of narrative.

[Rory]

That's what the Internet would do, right?

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Not more.

[Damaris]

Y'all should do, like, something like that. Like, almost like a throwback, Like, Money Bag Mall Monday. Money bags or some stupid. Like that.

[Maul]

Money Bag Mondays.

[Damaris]

Yeah, Money Bag Mondays. And we feature somebody.

[Rory]

Oh, wait.

[Maul]

Oh, we got. Damn, they.

[Rory]

Oh, they must have just taken down two doughboys.

[Damaris]

Yeah, they took down the whole site. I can't find it, period.

[Rory]

Yeah, well, I found the tweet, man.

[Maul]

Like, that was the picture, I guess.

[Rory]

Yeah. Damn, you'd money bag it.

[Maul]

No, I was expecting that to be like a. A. Like an older picture, like, yo. Oh, no, I'm just saying this looks like it could be more recent.

[Rory]

This was in 2020.

[Maul]

Oh, okay. See, I'm thinking it was, like, back in, like, 2016 or something like that.

[Rory]

No.

[Maul]

Okay.

[Rory]

But, yeah, I'm glad I got that off my chest. I haven't even talked about in therapy with that whole thing. And, you know, we're talking about talks we have to have with our kids. Yeah, that's, you know, one. Am I to sit a Mara down and be like, listen, I know you have access to the Internet now.

[Maul]

Yeah. You're going to see some things.

[Rory]

At one point, your mother was posted by a blog.

[Maul]

She was a Saturday night sexy. Your mom was a Saturday night sexy. That's dope, though, to have those. Those pictures. Like, I like when people do that on. On. I catch, like, some Twitter post sometimes, and they be like, you know, my mom was a baddie back in the day. And they show their mother now, and they show like, she's still bad.

[Damaris]

She's still bad.

[Maul]

Yeah. Like, you could tell. Like, oh, you could tell. But then they show, like, older pictures, like, oh, my pop said he was break. He was crushing them in high school. Crushing hards.

[Damaris]

That was a TikTok trend.

[Maul]

I Like, that trend. Yeah, that's dope.

[Rory]

Remember, like, the first or second Father's Day on Twitter? That was, like, the horniest, I think, I've ever seen women. I mean, before this new era of horniness. I've ever seen women on a timeline before everyone posting their pops. And there was the thirstiest tweets to everyone's happy Father's Day.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yo, I'd. Your dad. I'm like, God damn. What. What is wrong with these?

[Maul]

Well, that's what the ops was telling me in the. In the spaces. Like, we saw your dad at the show. Tell him I said hi.

[Damaris]

I'm like, damn, your dad was there.

[Maul]

Yeah, I can't play the games with my pops because he don't. He not gonna play with you. Like, he gonna really. I'm gonna have to, like, really, like, come out there and grab him. Like, yo, chill. You bugging.

[Rory]

I mean, he's. How many siblings do you have?

[Maul]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Like, his work.

[Damaris]

I know.

[Maul]

He not. He not playing.

[Rory]

Like, you can't.

[Maul]

Oh, that. Hey, pops. Like, no, no, no, no. Don't. Don't play with him like that. Leave him alone.

[Rory]

What's. What's funny is you're 42. He look 42.

[Maul]

Yeah, my dad, he looks. He looks good for his age.

[Rory]

Like, every time I've seen the photo of you guys, I can't pick him out.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Of who's a sibling and who's your father. I'm like, oh, these are all big skids.

[Maul]

Yeah. That was athletic, though. He was always in shape. Always athletic. So, you know, took care.

[Damaris]

That's what's up. Tell him I say hi. Respectfully, though, I. With your mom, I would never.

[Maul]

But tell them I said, I with your mom. I would never. I. Baby D. I do with you. Okay.

[Rory]

You should call your pops and see if he'll let you do porn.

[Maul]

My pop. Listen, my pop not only would he let me do porn, he didn't encourage. He would ask me if they would hire him. Like, they would. They let him do it.

[Rory]

Oh, mall would be in that father son fantasy tab on fucking pornhub. No, I just got a real time email. I think we could talk about this. So we were trying to have LiAngelo Ball on the podcast, and we were, you know, going back and forth on email with. With teams or whatever, and we just. Just. Just now, in real time, got an email back from someone on our team. A quick note that liangelo Ball is passing, but they did say they liked what Rory said about it.

[Damaris]

What did I just Tell you before we started recording.

[Rory]

What?

[Damaris]

What did I just tell you before we started recording, when we said that we got a copyright strike for using the song.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah.

[Damaris]

I said one of them brothers is a fan of this show or listens to this show. Like, there's no way. There's no way I can look at them and tell.

[Rory]

But I don't have any IP on that because it was my DJ mix. Like, we didn't play the L'Angelo Ball song. I took his vocals and put it over Cannon's beat.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Or unless a friend of the show, Cannon, put a little copyright strike on it.

[Maul]

You should hit the group chat. Yo Canon. What she was doing last night. He was on YouTube striking.

[Rory]

And also, there's no way that Landlord Ball does his own copyright strikes. I'm sure just someone at umg.

[Maul]

Yeah, that did that.

[Rory]

But, man, I was really hoping that we could get like the one on one liangelo versus Mole situation. I see why he's. He would pass and probably go just to people that are saying great things about the record. But I think that would be.

[Maul]

That's the problem.

[Rory]

That's the good content, in my opinion.

[Damaris]

There's. But no. Yes, it's the good content. But you. Like I told you on those two episodes we talked about it, you OD shit it on that record. Like, I didn't feel like this was necessary.

[Maul]

That should sound like Chat GPT Hot Boys. Now, somebody said in Chat GPT, you'll make me a Hot Boys record. That shit is not a good song. I don't care that everybody on the Internet is posting that shit on their story. That shit is trash.

[Rory]

Now, I think if you just said you didn't like the record, there may have been a chance that he would have came on the show. You did go a little extra in and personal of like, he is. He's ruining music.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Maul]

All right.

[Rory]

I don't know if I'm going to go on the show, someone says I'm ruining music.

[Maul]

Can we have this conversation end of the year? Can we revisit this, this, this moment?

[Rory]

I don't think music will be ruined. I think it'll still be intact.

[Maul]

No. Can we revisit this song at the end of the year?

[Rory]

Oh, sure. I don't care.

[Maul]

All right, cool.

[Damaris]

I've been listening to that song, though, and I'm. I like. I regularly listen to that song. I can tell that I'm going to probably like that song for a very long time now.

[Maul]

There's no way y'all really like that record, bro.

[Rory]

Yeah, I like it.

[Maul]

That is a cash money, hot boys chat GBT version of that. There's no way y'all feeling that record.

[Rory]

Now. Should I reply to this email with examples of what we've done? With better help. I'll just do the leangel record.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah, I'll just do it. Mall will be yelling from the kitchen, that dirt.

[Maul]

I made it. All right, man.

[Rory]

Yeah, we'll just send them the better health ads and be like, look, sometimes Rory just does it.

[Maul]

So. So you would rather go and not saying. Not saying this is the case. We don't know why he passed. Like, that could be why he passed.

[Rory]

But, I mean, I can assume if he said his team said, we're going to pass. But he liked what Rory said. Means that he's passing because he hated what you said.

[Maul]

All right, cool.

[Rory]

In a very nice way.

[Maul]

So you think that it's better to go sit with somebody that's just like, yeah, no, this record is amazing. And what was your inspiration behind making it? And who the fuck wants to sit and watch that?

[Rory]

Well, that kind of goes back to the Elliot conversation we were having of salacious shit versus real journalism. I think both is great. I think him sitting with you and talking about that and actually proving that maybe he does really, really care about music. And it's been a passion for a while. This isn't just some random shit. Hey, look. Look at all this footage of when we were in high school when I was rapping. Like, what's the difference? That would be a great combo. But he should also go to people that are saying they like the record.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you ain't. When people talk shit about.

[Maul]

You said. You said it.

[Rory]

Said what?

[Maul]

You liked it.

[Rory]

I do.

[Maul]

All right? And I said I didn't. So he still could have said, it's somebody here that said they like the record. That's not what everybody got to say.

[Rory]

They like it.

[Maul]

Like, no, that's.

[Rory]

That's why to me, we're saying you went.

[Damaris]

You.

[Rory]

I could see how someone would take that more personal than, hey, I just dislike this. Like, there. There was, like, when I put my album out, there's plenty of people that said, I don't like this. And I cool. That's your music opinion. No harm, no foul. I don't care. But then there was people that went, like, extra in. I don't like this because of who this human being is. And, like, lists off that. That's how it felt.

[Maul]

It's like, God damn, I don't Know him. It ain't that. I'm just want. That record is trash. I don't know him. I'm not saying he's. He's a trash person. The record is trash.

[Damaris]

You ain't going on nobody podcast. Who said, man? Rory and Mark. That is dirt. You're not going to go visit their podcast on your next press one.

[Rory]

Some people, like, say maybe a Russ would go do that because he likes to confront people that disagree with him or don't like his music, which I think is cool. He's won over. He won me over years ago when he was doing that shit. I respect it.

[Maul]

Russ is a perfect example. And we spoke about it when we had him on. Was in the airport at Atlanta when we was on the same flight coming from Atlanta to New York. Was at the. The desk together, saw him. You know, obviously I'm like, oh, that's Russ. I didn't know him, though. We had never met, never spoke, never had no exchange online. I may have probably said something about him that he probably didn't like, but it was never nothing disrespectful. I always thought he was talented. And then when he came and we sat and talked, he remembered. He was like, yeah, I saw. We was in Atlanta. We was on the same flight coming to New York. He was like. We didn't really speak. And I was like, yo, I just didn't like. He was like, yeah, you just indifferent about me. Like, he understands, like, people just don't have a real opinion on me because they either don't know me, that my music doesn't really stick with them like that. Like, to me, that's the type of people that's dope to sit down with. People that understand. Like, I get why people not kind of like, really fuck. Don't fuck with me like that. He's still successful. He still sells out shows. He still sells a lot of records and shit like that. But if it's somebody with a platform says, yo, I don't really. I don't know. Or if he sees you in person and you ain't really. It's no energy. Like, it's. But you obviously, he knows who you are. You know him. It's still not no issue, though. It's just like, yo, I understand. You just don't even.

[Damaris]

Because you weren't, like, you said, indifferent. You passionately came here. That shit is fucking trash. Y'all pretending to like it. He just having a viral moment. That shit ain't going nowhere.

[Maul]

But it is what's true.

[Damaris]

He Ruining music. Look what they doing to the game. I love. That's okay. I'm not saying okay. That's.

[Maul]

Cause every year, what do we sit here and say? Yo, I ain't gonna lie to Hip. Yo. The rap is like, yo, it's trash.

[Damaris]

That's fine. But what I'm saying is you. I don't think that he's being too sensitive. When you dragged it. We all told you he was being too sensitive. Oh, okay. I'm like. We say it like he. But, like, why wouldn't you want to come on here? Because, like, if you said some shit like that about my music and I'm. First of all, I'm a brand new rapper. I'm just coming in. You have a huge fucking platform. And I'm trying some new shit. I'm trying rap, and I'm passionate about it. Artists sensitive about they shit. No, I'm not coming on your show. I might slap shit out you. I'm not coming on your show.

[Maul]

Well, that's spicy.

[Damaris]

You too spicy with your shit.

[Maul]

Well, we know that's not happening.

[Rory]

I mean, I think Russ told that story to kind of allude to, like. Oh, you quiet now.

[Maul]

Yeah, see, I'm not.

[Damaris]

Oh, that's crazy pie.

[Maul]

No, no, Russell, that's my like. But. But he actual. At that moment when we actually saw each other and we were on the same flight, he could just tell, like, you know, I didn't. I didn't say nothing to him. He didn't say nothing to me. But it wasn't beef. It was just like, I really don't know you. You know, we never met, so it's.

[Rory]

Like, you know, wait, Damaris. I think I figured it out. What's up, Mother I, Mother I. You hate liangelo because he's on umg now it makes sense. We before, we're like, yo, did you guys have a woman in common? Like, this feel, this energy feels up. Now I see the hate started when he did that deal.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

With the op.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Maul]

Nah, you got it right, Mother I, Mother I.

[Rory]

And then misquote the song.

[Maul]

Yeah, you got it. You got it. You got it, right.

[Rory]

I guess we'll go to the elephant in the room. Where do we want to begin? Damaris was trying to give me some right when she walked out the elevator.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Feeling like she had a gotcha moment. Same way the Internet did.

[Damaris]

I just said, you going to walk back your take. That's what I said. Are you going to walk back, pause.

[Rory]

Or just skim through them? I don't Understand?

[Damaris]

Well, I was sitting here. I didn't have to. I was like, quite literally talking to you.

[Rory]

It is recorded, you know that.

[Damaris]

I'm aware.

[Rory]

Okay, so Damaris came in here and said, you're going to walk your take back. I said, what take would I have to walk back? She said that you said Drake was trying to save music and save all the artists. I never said that shit. Matter of fact, when we replied to Charlamagne, I said very, very clearly, even if he is doing this for selfish reasons, which he may be, I don't particularly give a fuck, because I think that petition could be very good for all artists. If UMG has to go through depositions, open their books, there could be some bad practices of how songs are manipulated between DSPs and majors. Now, that is what I said. And I don't walk that take back whatsoever. Do I think Drake was doing it to save all the artists? No. Nor did I say he was. I just thought it was going to be something that could have been good in the long run for everybody, but still understood why it made Drake look completely fucking nuts to the rest of the world. Now that petition is gone and what has replaced it is just a straight up defamation case for Drake to umg. And at this point, I'm not walking anything back. I am. I am taking myself out of the objective column. Okay, you can't do a defamation case in a rap battle. What he was doing before with the manipulation. I still think it's odd to sue in a rap battle, but I fully understand it. If Drake is in the middle of a negotiation with a major label and they put money behind a song that calls him a pedophile, fucks with his reputation, lowers his value in that negotiation, that is illegal. And he has a case with that said, you're still a rapper and there's still rapper rules. This is just a straight up defamation case. When you asked Kendrick to do that, knowing he was on umg, and I would like Kendrick to do it, call me. Call me a pedophile. Or you think Tupac said that?

[Damaris]

Sorry, he straight up said.

[Rory]

And that's where again, he asked Kendrick.

[Maul]

To call him a pedophile.

[Rory]

Yes. In Taylor Made.

[Maul]

I don't remember him asking Kendrick to call him a pedophile.

[Rory]

Tupac asked. Tupac was telling Kendrick Lamar that he should call Drake a pedophile. The ghost of Pac, or he's still alive. Maybe he recorded in Cuba, I don't know. But you can't. Again, I saw the other petition having some value in the Long run. But now that this is just a defamation case, I personally just don't care anymore because that's completely between Drake and umg. And I fully agree that it looks insane. In a rap battle if you tell someone to call me a pedophile and then at some point you sue a company for funding what you told them to do. And on top of that, how would, how would you be looking at this? Let's say Drake never sues and Kendrick ends up. Let's say Kendrick lost and Kendrick ends up suing UMG because Drake said that he's a woman beater and that his son isn't his. How would you view that? Would you be okay with it?

[Maul]

If a company publishes a song or does something that directly violates my contract I have with them, I'm not mad at any artist that is suing that company.

[Rory]

Okay?

[Maul]

If we have a contract before any battle, anything happens, we signed the contract however long ago. And in my contract the company. Cause we love to talk about the machine and how they fuck artists over all the time. Fuck em if they violated my contract with them and artists. Because it's, oh no. Now all of a sudden we want morals and integrity and rap, right? That's now out. Now all of a sudden everybody's like, oh, you can't sue on that. You can't do this with rap. Niggas do everything else with rap niggas put out songs with N s that can't rap, push songs with music with niggas that can't rap.

[Rory]

Give them 13 million dollar deals all day.

[Maul]

We could do all of that. But when it comes down to the artist saying, I'm gonna protect my contract, y'all did not honor what's in my contract. Y'all violated my contract. Now it's, oh nah, he bugging. He can't do that.

[Damaris]

Okay, so he can't. What I want to ask you because I, I read some of the lawsuit. I didn't come across, come across exactly what you're saying. What did they current contract? Because what I'm seeing is this is a defamation lawsuit that in my next contract, you know that we, you know that we're in negotiations. And you supported him putting this record out knowing that it would tarnish my character, therefore hoping to, you know, you guys not have to pay me as much in our next negotiation. So where did he violate a past, where did UMG violate a past contract by releasing Kendrick's record, which is what this lawsuit was for.

[Maul]

Again, I don't know. I don't know what Drake and UMG's contract is. But I'm saying if his lawyers. His lawyers, which we can assume, he has great lawyers. They know his contract. They know exactly what's in his contract with umg. If they feel like something was violated and they moved forward with it and took it to federal court, then I think that they know exactly what they're doing. Like, so any public opinion and public perception, we know, no matter what happens, it could come out tomorrow that they absolutely did some dirty shit to Drake, violated him, did whatever they did, and people are still gonna say, yo, but you can't do that in rap.

[Damaris]

But that's not what.

[Maul]

So it doesn't matter.

[Damaris]

That's not what the lawsuit is saying. No, the lawsuit is saying it's a defamation case. You supported an artist saying terrible things about me that aren't true. That's what they're saying now.

[Rory]

It's a straight up defamation instead of a discovery of bad practices between DSPs and major labels. That's why I was excited about it, why I liked it. Now this is just a straight up defamation case, which, again, by definition, Drake has a solid case. You are funding somebody that called me a pedophile and it ruined my reputation. Where people have a problem with it, myself included, is. It's almost like entrapment, because by definition, rap battles are defamation.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So if you went in knowing Drake, even said on the shop, I study rap battles for a living. And I believe him because there has been times when Drake has mopped people up in rap battles. You study this for a living. You know what a rap battle is? It's by definition, who can defame each other worse. So going in, knowing that, and also defaming someone else, you then turn around and sue for the definition of a rap battle. That. That is where everyone is kind of like, all right, man. Even people like myself that understood the first petition are looking at this now like, yes, you are right. But at what point do you just save face?

[Maul]

But save face so that the label doesn't pay for the shit that they violated.

[Damaris]

But what. But you keep saying that the label violated. When his suit is not that the label violated anything. His suit is that they allowed Kendrick to say mean things about him.

[Maul]

Again, that's what we know. So far. We don't. We don't know exactly what they. Like, yes, it's a defamation defamation suit. But where did it. Like, where did that come in at? Like, where did they do that at? Now we know that. Oh, yes, you publish a song with somebody saying things about me. You posted my home on dsps with sex predator markers above my own. That could be in his contract. With shit like that, a label cannot do. They cannot allow that to happen. I'm just saying we don't know the nuances of this contract with umg.

[Rory]

And we are kind of agreeing with you. I think he has a case. Yes, by.

[Maul]

No, I know that he has a case.

[Rory]

That I know.

[Maul]

That's obvious.

[Rory]

Of course it's defamation. If UMG is distributing a photo of my house with pedophile dots all over it. Yes, that's defamation. Everyone is looking at it. Nuts. Because had he won, this would probably not be happening. If he won, I don't think everyone would be able to. Because no one, no one really going.

[Maul]

Off of ifs, though. Like, let's not speak from. If this happened, if that happened, if that. Let's speak to what happened and then speak to the fact that again, you've never seen his contract with umg. I've never seen his contract with umg. Most people online have never seen his contract with umg. I'm just saying, just think about it from standpoint, that if his lawyers, his team feels like there's a violation of their client's contract with this company and we're moving forward with this lawsuit, there's some validity to that.

[Damaris]

But the only thing that we're telling you is as we sit in this room and we have this conversation with the knowledge that we have, as far as going through the lawsuit, the news articles and what is available to us as far as what the lawsuit says.

[Maul]

So speaking from a very limited window.

[Damaris]

Of speaking from what the lawsuit says, period. That's what anybody can speak to. The lawyers filed a lawsuit. The lawsuit is for defamation. The lawyers are not suing for breach of contract. They are suing for defamation. So you keep saying, oh, well, they broke contract, they broke contract. Not talking about that. Because unless you have some, and I'm not even being funny, unless you have some information that you're going to give us, we're as far as a breach of contract. That's not in this lawsuit. As far as a breach of contract, it's strictly about defamation.

[Rory]

And even I'm sure there probably is some type of clause.

[Damaris]

Sure.

[Rory]

A lot of artists contracts between their partner that there can't, you can't do that to your artist. There can't be no defamation. So it probably broke the contract. But again, people are looking at it like you went into a battle where defamation is the entire thing now I think it's fucked up if they were changing the rules to make sure not like us went crazy, especially if they're calling him a pedophile. But at this point I'm, I'm out of it because to me now it's just such, it's a personal Drake, UMG pissing it's back and forth.

[Damaris]

So what UMG said, right, they, they let out something they said is basically they said that this is illogical, it's untrue. Throughout his career, Drake has intentionally and successfully used UMG to distribute his music and poetry, to engage in conventionally outrageous back and forth rap battles, to express his feelings about other artists. He now seeks to weaponize the legal process to silence an artist's creative expression and to seek damages from UMG for distributing that artist's music. Which is basically like, well, Drake, we've put out your music when you said crazy shit about people this whole time, but now because somebody called you a pedophile and you lost the rap battle, now you're using the legal process to sue us when you've been engaging in rap battles.

[Maul]

Yeah, but that's not. And again, I can't because no matter what I say on the situation, it's going to look like I'm just riding for my guy. But what I'm saying is you can't look at it like that because if it's. Essentially, we know that he's in a negotiation with this, with this company, right? He's probably one of their biggest artists ever. He's probably asking for things and you know that we can't even fathom no other. Probably one of the biggest deals we will ever see an artist get from a label, right? Insert rap battle. Here's another artist that this label is publishing and distributing. If he knows some things that they did on that side that will directly one, violate his contract, hurt his brand, and now interrupt his negotiation leverage in his dealings with them. Because this is a rap battle, y'all feel like he shouldn't do that? He should just say, oh, nah, I'm gonna take the loss. I'm gonna lose out on money that most people will never see in their life. And I'm just gonna let it be what it is.

[Rory]

Now, is that the stance he should take?

[Maul]

Okay, I'm just asking, do y'all feel like that's the stance he should.

[Rory]

This is speculation to answer that. We know that Drake fulfilled his contract and was going in to negotiate with UMG around the time of this rap battle. He has put a petition to UMG and is now suing UMG for damages of defamation. Do we think he's going to ever work with UMG again? So either way, all that money or stake or percentage that he is owed by UMG is now gone and he's probably going to go independent. So at that point, why don't you protect your rapper brand, your fan brand, instead of your legal brand, and move the fuck on?

[Maul]

Again, you say protected. I feel like this is him protecting his brand. I feel like this.

[Rory]

You don't think brand is. When it comes to music, a lot of that comes from your fans rather than your legal process or your label's perception of you, especially rappers.

[Maul]

Yes, but you talking about a. This is not. This is a very different situation, though, because we're talking about. You keep saying rapper. This is one of the biggest artists in the world.

[Rory]

That's why I was excited with the petition before. Cause even if people thought it was sucker shit, I was like, well, Drake is the only one that I know of, outside of Taylor Swift, that would even have a chance at going at the majors and making them open their books to show what the fuck they do. And now that is gone. And now it's just defamation. We're not going to learn anything at all. So I don't.

[Maul]

Okay, so let me ask you something. Do you think that Taylor Swift's label will allow another artist to put her home up on DSPs, a picture of a home up with sex offender markers above her own?

[Rory]

No.

[Maul]

Okay.

[Rory]

I'm not saying Drake doesn't have a right to be upset at his label, but if we're going to. The protect the brand conversation post battle.

[Maul]

Is protecting the brand.

[Damaris]

Well, okay, so.

[Rory]

But you're saying because he's negotiating with umg. That negotiation is not going to happen anymore. They're suing each other.

[Maul]

I know that.

[Rory]

You think UMG and Drake are going to work together again?

[Maul]

I don't think UMG is going to watch him leave.

[Damaris]

I don't think Drake wants to work with umg. Fuck umg. Watch him leave. I don't think Drake wants to work with umg.

[Maul]

I mean, that could be true. That could be true. But I'm just saying if they end up settling and paying him what he wants to stay, you don't think he would take it. It'll be some shit that we've never seen an artist get before.

[Rory]

Yeah, I mean, you don't think that.

[Maul]

He would stay if they'd be like, yo, you know what? You right, We Did. We did fuck up. We dropped the ball.

[Damaris]

Well, that's not gonna happen.

[Maul]

I'm just. Y'all want to speak on ifs? This is an if.

[Rory]

If they do that, which I doubt it, but if.

[Maul]

Right. If they do that. You don't see him taking that?

[Damaris]

No, I'm only seeing him take. Whether he takes it or not, that's not what's important. What we're talking about is.

[Maul]

No, y'all just said you don't see him working with UMG ever again. I'm saying if they put a deal on the table.

[Damaris]

If he said, I don't. I don't know Drake well enough to know if he's cool. I don't know him well enough to know or know his character or know what's important to him. For him to put all of these allegations. Well, not allegations, but to say these things, these really hurt him. These put his. His child at danger. This put him at danger. And then to go back and work with that company and trust that company with that large sum of money that he makes, I don't know if he'll do that or not. I can't say. I can't speak on that. When we're speaking about his brand and Rory saying, protect his brand. I think what Rory's point is, is if. Either way, whether they. Whether you lose or whether you win, the only thing that's at risk right now is money. The. The battle has been lost, the reputation has been lost. And then with the. With the lawsuit, people, this is. This is a stain. Whether you win the lawsuit or not, people are going to say, well, damn, Drake won the lawsuit. So this changes how I feel about the way that he went about it. That's not going to happen. So I think that's what.

[Maul]

That's why this is not. That's. But that's what I'm saying. That's why this is about none of that. Because Rory said, yo, think about, you know, the perception and what people are going to view you as in your brand. To me, again, I don't know for sure. I'm thinking that he's at a point where he's not even thinking about that. He's protecting him, his self, his brand, his reputation. He's not thinking about public perception. He's not thinking about What a few 5,000 fans that have a community on Twitter are saying about him. Like, oh, he's suing you. Don't do that in rap. He's not thinking about that. His home got shot up. He had to take his kid out of school, people trying to enter his property. Kids. Matt Hoffa spoke about it. His daughters, they young, they in the house saying, yeah, Drake is a pedophile. He likes kids. So clearly this has affected him beyond probably what people could even imagine. Like, yo, you know, people are really like. This message is like, people are thinking there's some validity to this shit.

[Rory]

And to me, and we're not on.

[Maul]

That side of the. Not to cut you off. We're not on that side of the table. We're not able to understand that level of business coming from Drake's brand. So people can freely speak and be like, yo, he's so in the late. Yo, that's corny. You don't do that in rap. Okay, cool. If that's how you feel. But you have never operated from that level of business to where you have to protect upwards of a billion, $2 billion brand.

[Damaris]

But see, but one moment. Okay, but see, when we sat here and I don't even wanna bring this up. Cause I don't wanna make this an argument. Cause you were king. You don't take no diss back and no rap battle. You don't take no diss back in a rap battle. And when I sat here with my previous co host and we said, well, you don't know what niggas have to lose the way that this is going. You said, it don't matter. That's rap. Once you rap, once you throw that diss out there, you gotta deal with what comes with it. So now that Drake is dealing with what comes with it, which as far as, oh, he has to take his kid out of school. This is in danger. People are calling him a pedophile. All this, all that. When you put out a diss that say, yeah, call him a pedophile. We know what you're going to do. Everybody knew that. Yeah, do it. Drop, drop, drop, drop.

[Rory]

And then also says, cease and desist for hoes.

[Maul]

Where that's going.

[Rory]

He said, Drake asked for this on public record. He asked for Kendrick Lamar to do what he's suing UMG for to battle. Call me a pedophile. Cease and desistes for hoes. Yeah, drop more records. And then at the end of the battle said, oh, like you burnt it out. It's too much. And then went and sued somebody for doing what he asked them to do. Drop a record.

[Maul]

He's not suing some. He's not suing.

[Rory]

I know. I said umg. I said went and sued umg.

[Maul]

I thought you said, like, he was suing Kendrick.

[Damaris]

I'm not even talking about that. I'm talking about. You talking about some. Well, we don't know what he's going through on the other side of the business. The business. Yeah, the business. But what I'm saying.

[Maul]

Cause y'all saying, protect the brand.

[Rory]

This is.

[Maul]

In Cole's eyes.

[Rory]

He was. Even though I still disagree with that, was protecting his brand and his piece and his state of mind.

[Damaris]

So that's what I'm thinking.

[Maul]

Yeah, but that's different, because he already engaged. That's the only reason why.

[Rory]

And we're saying Drake said, yo, call me a pedophile, and then went and sued the company that put it out. Right.

[Maul]

Because they pushed something that he asked them to push. He didn't ask them to push that, though.

[Damaris]

He. But this is the thing.

[Rory]

He knows Kendrick has a licensing deal with them. Yes. Who else is going to put it out?

[Damaris]

Yes. He knew UMG was in charge, was the one distributing or licensing or whatever. He knew that Kendrick was with umg. He said he knew what Kendrick was going to say. He told him to say that antagonized him to do all of these things. Then when it happens, is umg. Why would you allow him to say that about me when you knew that he was with UMG and you knew that he was gonna say that, and you told him to say it? So that's why I said I'm not. I think I'm not mad at Drake for suing. Let me. Let me make that clear. I'm not mad at Drake for suing.

[Rory]

Legally.

[Damaris]

When I'm asked, when I'm coming to you, is saying you can't say. People don't know what they're talking about. And that's how people feel. And people don't know this, this, and.

[Maul]

That, because you don't. When they took the petition off the table, did you see the storm online when the first picture came up? Oh, yeah. Nah, the suit is over. And I'm just like, oh, no.

[Rory]

But see, I only want to talk about it because that's just dumb. Fans on Twitter, like, that's my.

[Maul]

But this is my point. Online is gonna. Everybody's gonna run, and whenever they get information about this, gonna jump to it and say something. I'm just gonna stand on the side of. I feel like if the biggest or one of the biggest artists in the world's lawyer or legal team feels like they have a case and that they feel like we're gonna win this case, I think everybody that has never Negotiated from that amount of business or that side of business need to just sit back and just watch what's gonna happen instead of saying, oh, no, you can't do that in rap.

[Rory]

Can I go back to a few other points that he just made?

[Maul]

Protect the brand.

[Rory]

Like, as a human being, I'm not saying this sarcastically. My heart does go out to Drake for your house being shot up and you having to take your kid out of school. That's insane. How much of that do we think is because Kendrick Lamar put up his house on a thumbnail?

[Maul]

We don't know.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Maul]

You don't know and I don't know.

[Rory]

Of course I don't know. I. We can speculate here with some common sense. I do not think Kendrick Lamar or anybody sent people to Drake's house to shoot it. That had to do with Kendrick Lamar and Drake died.

[Damaris]

I don't think Drake is alleging that Kendrick had anything to do with him.

[Rory]

I was going to Maul's point of, you have to look at Drake's perspective as a human. Like, what would you do if your house was shot up? You had to take your kids out. I feel for him there. I just don't know if that's a direct result of. Of not like us or anything that is in this lawsuit. I think that's a completely separate situation that goes a bit deeper than Kendrick Lamar or anything to do with this particular battle. Now. I also think it must suck to hear Mass A. Yo. Yeah. All the kids are saying Drake's a pedophile. Him winning this suit is not going to change the minds of the young kids calling Drake a pedophile. They're not looking at this like, oh, he's. Well, he won in court with umg, so he must not be a pedophile. We're speaking to the brand that Math was saying. The kids are calling you a pedophile. You can't change that with a lawsuit. The only way I could think to change that was to make good music. And hopefully people will start to forget about this battle and remember that you're.

[Maul]

A great artist and just. And just. And just let the. The label that. The. The company that. That pushed that shit. Just. All right, it's all good.

[Damaris]

They did this.

[Rory]

No, no, no, listen. What are they supposed to. What are they supposed to.

[Damaris]

The only thing I can think of where it's like, okay, as far as his house being on there, that. No, the label should have stepped in and said something. Right? But both of these people are independent. They're just licensing What I'm saying is, what were they supposed to do? Say, hey, you're calling Drake a pedophile. You can't put that out. Kendrick. That doesn't even make. That's unprecedented. Like, that doesn't even make sense.

[Maul]

Can't put out the record.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you can't put that record out because you're calling Drake a pedophile.

[Maul]

I'm not. But again, you will never hear me say that. The label should have said, we're not putting that record up.

[Damaris]

So what should the label have done?

[Maul]

I'm saying the label should have whatever contract and agreement that they have together. The label should have honored that. I'm saying that his team, his great lawyers feel like his contract was violated. How are people not comprehending it?

[Damaris]

Because no one's saying that. That's what. That's what I'm saying.

[Maul]

Y'all are saying, why is he suing? This is a defamation case. You're suing because of a rap battle. Da, da, da. And I'm saying, yo, something in his contract was violated.

[Damaris]

But what we're saying is, where are you getting that information from? That's what we are asked. I've asked you that from the beginning.

[Maul]

They just issued a lawsuit federally to his company. You think these lawyers are going to do that without feeling like there's some validity in that? His contract wasn't. They have his contract.

[Rory]

We don't went through a lot of this. They're not. Yes, they probably broke some form of the contract. But this is just a straight up defamation case now. Like, they're suing for defamation. And here's all the bad things that you guys funded that were said about me and changed my reputation that you could do that even if there wasn't some defamation clause in your contract. That doesn't make defamation legal. Now all of a sudden. So he's not even talking about his contract. From what I read, it's just straight up defamation.

[Maul]

So, okay, so in your brain, you feel like this lawsuit is either complete bullshit.

[Rory]

No, I think he has a case and I think he'll win.

[Damaris]

I don't think he'll win. I get what you're saying.

[Maul]

Listen, what I'm sitting here asking, I'm trying to figure out with the Internet, I'm trying to figure out what y'all feel about, like, what are y'all thinking? So y'all feel like you feel like he has a legit case and he'll win. You feel like he doesn't have a legit case and he'll Lose.

[Damaris]

I'm not saying that I don't think he has a legit case. I'm just looking for. I would need to see examples of this happening before of two artists who are partnered with the same company. And one said a really fucked up thing about the other one, and they were like, oh, you shouldn't have put that out. Or like that. That's what I'm looking for. I'm kind of looking for some precedent. What I'm saying is, is that I get where Drake is coming from. But just because your lawyers feel like you have a case that when it comes to rap and hip hop culture, that doesn't matter. Because if somebody came in here and punched you in your shit, right, you have a case that they. That they assaulted you, you have a case, you'll win that case. But niggas will look at you and be like, well, why you ain't just fight back? Why the fuck you. You. You a rat. You snitched. You. You send him to jail for punching you in your face, you a rat. Even though your lawyer will tell you you have a case to win it.

[Maul]

When have. When have we ever seen a company push the idea of somebody being a pedophile?

[Rory]

I have not seen that before. And I understand we put pedophile, rightfully so, over here, as opposed to. But I did watch Jimmy iv.

[Maul]

We can sit here and kick Willie Bobo all day if y'all want to. But just how you said you've never seen a label. We've never seen this. In a rap battle where pedophile is the message. We've never seen it. I've seen Biggie and Pac die over a rap beef. You know what? Neither one of those gentlemen ever called each other.

[Damaris]

Okay, I understand.

[Maul]

I seen Jay and Nas have the city shook up. You know what? Neither one of those gentlemen ever called each other. I seen Kiss and Beans shake shit up. You know what? Neither one of those gentlemen ever called or referred or even made like, made even any type of whim that this gentleman might be.

[Damaris]

But those people also didn't have that on their jacket before for other people to say that about them.

[Rory]

And I.

[Damaris]

And this is not. Cause I don't think that Drake is a pedophile. So this is not me shitting on Drake. But Drake knew what he was. Listen, I can get Drake, but this is the thing. You be riding for Drake and going hard for him, but he knew what he was gonna say about him, because that's already a rumor that had been on Drake. That's why Drake knew what Kendrick was gonna say. That's why you knew what Kendrick was gonna say. So we're not about to sit up.

[Maul]

And act like Kendrick. You're talking to somebody that said that, laughed at that before this battle even began. I said. I sat here and said. I said, what are you gonna do, call him a pedophile? Because I knew that people are online trying to make TikToks and fucking snap stories and all this other dumb shit. Think pieces about. Yeah, nah, he was dating this girl.

[Damaris]

He was seen with this girl.

[Maul]

He did this with this girl, and then he kissed this girl on stage, and then he did that. So I'm just like, oh, so people are trying to make this a thing.

[Rory]

This is where I would be on your side. If he did not say call me a pedophile in one of the songs, and then two, if he sued for Meet the Grams, which gets into more pedophile shit about his friends. There's the alleged daughter. Shit, I'm a deadbeat father, all of that. Why isn't he also suing for that song? Because that song didn't have the impact. Not like us did. That's why people view this as. You are a sore loser, and that's why you're suing. He's not suing for me. The Grams, bro. Meet the Grams has pedophile shit in it, too.

[Maul]

Let me. Let me. Let me explain.

[Rory]

It just didn't work and stick the way not like us did. But UMG still put that record out.

[Maul]

All right, so you being somebody that has put out music, you being somebody that's worked in the industry, do you not think that UMG worked that song?

[Rory]

Absolutely.

[Maul]

All right, then. So why are you sitting here acting like you saying no Meet the Grams? Cause they didn't work Meet the Grams. They didn't put the push they did behind Meet the Grams as they did with Not Like Us. You know how labels work.

[Rory]

I know, but now it's so speak to that.

[Maul]

So, see, I understand how UMG pushed that record and pushed that message.

[Rory]

Can I answer that? If this was still the petition about bad practices between a major and DSPs for pushing a specific song that had pedophile shit, I would still agree with you. This is a defamation case about being called a pedophile. Why wouldn't Meet the Grahams make that same exact definition again?

[Damaris]

He did mention in this lawsuit about them, like, not just put. Not pushing it illegally, but pushing it, doing their job. This is a single.

[Rory]

It was a hit record.

[Damaris]

It was a hit record. Yes, this, this is like not illegally pushing it, but you're pushing this song. One of the things that they bought up, for example, Drake's new lawsuit alleges that UMG allow content creators such as Kai Sanat, no Life Shack, RDC Gaming to monetize reaction videos to not like us without enforcing copyright claims. Right. Which some labels do sometimes because it's like, why am I going to snatch down free advertising? This is free advertisement. So that is one of the things in the suit is like you were pushing this song that had this message. Right. Which again, like I said, I'm not mad at. I'm queen, get over on the law. I'm queen, get over on the law. So Drake can do whatever he wants to do. That's fine. I'm not surprised that Drake is suing to people who are surprised. That's whatever. My only conversation was, like I said when I brought up with Maul is if you're going to have these, these standards, these you, you going to stand in, you're going to sit in that seat and you're going to have these standards for hip hop. When it comes to Drake, you tend to look over those standards for hip hop because if Cole went and sued for a dish, you wouldn't stand on that.

[Maul]

If Cole felt like his label violated his contract and did some up that they shouldn't have did, I will support. I'm never with. With the labels.

[Rory]

The labels same.

[Maul]

I'm gonna support any artist that feels like their contract was violated.

[Damaris]

Okay. I'm not gonna bring up again that nowhere is anyone saying that his contract was violated. There's nothing that's saying that his contract.

[Maul]

Well, Damaris, again, more information is to come. You only. We're only reacting off of what we have so far.

[Damaris]

That's what I'm reacting off of. You're reacting off of something that you talking about. Ifs, that's not what. What's going on. We're talking about the defamation case.

[Maul]

I'm telling you what I've been telling you. If his lawyers, which ain't no fucking court appointed lawyers, if his lawyers feel like they have a case and they took this federal, then we just gotta say to ourselves, you know what? His lawyers know more than we do.

[Damaris]

Okay?

[Rory]

And that's all. I think we're having two different conversations here because we both agree that there is a case here. And let me walk back. I don't know if he'll win. I think there'll be a settlement because he has enough evidence to prove that they violated a contract or a defamation thing. We're talking about his brand as a rapper and how insane it looks. And as of yesterday, I think it solidified not like us as the greatest diss record of all time because of this lawsuit.

[Maul]

Oh, come on, man.

[Rory]

Rap is perception.

[Maul]

I'm gonna start taking perception. I'm start taking what you say verbatim, okay? It's because of the lawsuit that is now attached to this record. The death definition feel like, okay? So it's not just the record. Why you feel like it's the greatest, this song ever, it's the lawsuit.

[Rory]

The impact in which it had to the other artist caused that artist to go sue their label for defamation because they put it out. If we're talking rap battle and not legal shit, that is an L, my friend.

[Maul]

Okay?

[Rory]

That is an ly. All right? So. And if you do what you gotta do, Drake has way more money than me. Way, way more shit to focus on. I don't even know what it's like to be in that position. So who's to know what I would do in that situation? I'm here to just talk about the rapper Perception at this point. Like, how would you feel if 50 in game sued Jimmy Iovine in the middle of their beef? They were on the same label. They were funding both sides.

[Maul]

Yeah, but if. If somebody feels like something was violated and their lawyers, I would be like, well, shit, the lawyers feel like they. The label did some bullshit.

[Rory]

By. By definition, for sure, game or 50 with their back and forth, could have sued. Like, sued Interscope for defamation. You funded 300 bars and running. Look at all this shit. It's about me. It's a lie. Everything. I feel like they. They put Game on a stripper pole with a tongue ring as an artwork right at that time. Is that not. Yeah, see, it's. And of course, there's a difference between that and pedophile. But in the height of the gangster rap shit, you don't think that affected Game's reputation or how they viewed him? Yeah, people will really say, like, yo, that's a real foe. That was the artwork that they put out. So, yes, game and 50 both would have a case to go sue. Anyone in a rap peef when you're both on the same label would have a case for defamation. Because rap battles, by definition, are defamation.

[Maul]

Who can.

[Rory]

Who can do that more? And everyone, including yourself and me, would look at 50 and game nuts if they would have done that. And we would have said, well, there's the loser. The one that just sued. It's a perception thing. I agree.

[Maul]

I want to.

[Rory]

He has a case.

[Maul]

Okay. So can I just.

[Rory]

Just go rap, man.

[Maul]

Because, look, I don't ever want to keep talking about it. Can we just. Can we revisit it once it's all done?

[Rory]

Sure.

[Maul]

No matter what comes out after this, can we revisit it when it's final? Sure, if tomorrow, more. She comes out and they're like, oh, look, they found the label. I don't even want to talk about it.

[Rory]

I'm. I fully believe that UMG has done some grimy shit to Drake when they had to negotiate with him and looked at what he was actually owed and deserved. Like any other company, no matter what industry you're in, we've heard plenty of times during negotiations where people start rumors in the newspaper or go on news and like, yes, this is a regular strategy when two giants are negotiating with each other and it is illegal. But you have to add in the rap battle factor to this, where the rules are a little different, and you will look nuts in the scheme of suing after a record works.

[Maul]

Does he look nuts in the scheme of suing, or does he look nuts in the fact that people are running around calling him a pedophile?

[Rory]

I don't think Drake's a pedophile.

[Maul]

I'm not saying what you think I'm saying to you. Does he look more nuts in filing a lawsuit, or does he look nuts in the fact that people are now walking around calling him a pedophile. I think, like, people are really put. Believing that he's a pedophile.

[Rory]

This isn't me dodging the question is my actual answer. I think it just proves how great Kendrick Lamar handled this battle. If everyone is walking around calling Drake a pedophile when he's not a pedophile, that. That, my friends, is a masterclass in rap battling. He did. What the fuck? When. When. URL. When they go back and forth at the end of the chip, we don't even really go like, yeah, nah, mug. Not really. Like, no, it's entertainment. Back and forth, people. Now legitimately, which is crazy.

[Maul]

I'm asking you what looks crazier, Me filing a lawsuit or me walking around and people thinking.

[Rory]

And my answer again to that is, winning this lawsuit will not change the minds of people who already think.

[Maul]

Nobody is talking about changing minds.

[Damaris]

I'll answer you. I actually think that the lawsuit if in. In the regular. In the hip hop stratosphere. Right. If we're talking about hip hop in the culture in the hip hop stratosphere. Because people who are walking around like, yeah, I heard Drake's a pedophile. Aren't in the real hip hop stratosphere. Because if that's the case, they would know it would be a part of a rap battle and that there's nothing that really supports the.

[Maul]

What do you mean? People in hip hop not walking around saying that.

[Rory]

You were saying it was just a group of 5,000 people on the community that were saying it. No, he's suing because of the comments of the rap world.

[Maul]

No, what I'm saying is I don't think Drake cares about public perception.

[Rory]

I mean, he put all the public perception in the lawsuit.

[Maul]

No, I'm talking about as far as like, yo, what he's. Him what? What him suing makes him look like.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, I don't think he cares about that. Oh, I agree with you there.

[Maul]

So what I'm saying to Damaris is there are absolutely people in hip who feel like Drake is a pedophile 100%. I believe Kendrick Lamar feels like Drake is a real pedophile.

[Damaris]

No, so what I was gonna say is I feel like those people felt like that before Not Like Us dropped. I'm talking about people who heard not like us and was like, I heard in a rap song that Drake is a pedophile. So, like, I'm not talking about those.

[Maul]

People, but I'm asking you. All right, so you feel like him suing is worse than him whooping around the hip hop?

[Damaris]

Yes, because eventually, eventually people would have gotten over that. It was a rap battle. Drake, you keep making good music. If people really felt like you were a pedophile, they wouldn't be playing. Continuing to play your music. We see.

[Maul]

So you feel like people would have got over the fact that or feeling like he's a pedophile, they would have forgot about that.

[Damaris]

I would have felt like the people who feel like he's a pedophile who genuinely feel that way have already felt that way before not like us comes out. And they were gonna feel like that regardless. What I'm talking about is people who their first time coming into contact with that possible information was through the rap battle. And they're just like, oh, they said these things back and forth to each other. I feel like that would have gotten over it. I don't feel like if Drake's career.

[Maul]

So you feel like the assuming is gonna is gon be a bigger stain than people calling him a pedophile when.

[Damaris]

It comes to him being the greatest Rapper alive. I feel like that is a thing. Yes, I feel like that. Unfortunately, when we're talking about hip hop and what's important, because hip hop, the.

[Maul]

Hip hop community don't care about pedophiles. They don't look at it.

[Damaris]

Y'all don't. We don't. That's been proven already.

[Rory]

I just.

[Maul]

So then why.

[Rory]

So then why.

[Maul]

So then why should Drake try to protect this integrity of hip hop when there is obviously no integrity in hip hop?

[Damaris]

I'm not talking about Drake protecting it.

[Maul]

I don't. You said he shouldn't sue.

[Damaris]

No, I didn't. I never said he shouldn't.

[Maul]

He didn't say that.

[Rory]

But that's not hip hop. That's a world thing. Some people have integrity, some don't.

[Damaris]

That's. I never said Drake shouldn't sue.

[Maul]

All right, so listen. All right, so. All right, cool. So we're going to continue this once this entire case is closed, and of.

[Rory]

Course we will, but I don't. I won't have much to say if he wins, because I think he has a case and. All right, cool. He. He won. Now what? So I'm not sure what. Once we get the results of this entire thing, what the combo will really be.

[Maul]

Okay. All right.

[Rory]

I think, people, if he wins and gets what he's asking for, when you had that if scenario, I think if he gets what he wants and stays with umg, the perception might look even crazier. You were okay with them funding a shit, calling you a pedophile? I thought you were standing on pedophiles, the worst shit in the world. Morals. We cannot do that. But you still want to be in business with them because they gave you the money you wanted. I think the perception will look even crazier.

[Maul]

All right?

[Rory]

Because then it's like the best perception is you win that case and you say, fuck UMG and walk away, which is what I.

[Damaris]

Which I hope he does, which I think win, lose or draw, I think he's walking away from umg, but that's. Whatever. My only point, and what I was trying to get across to you is us having the conversation of conversations that we've had in the past and why, when it comes to things, when it comes to Drake, whether I care about what Drake's doing or not. Your bias shows because you care about certain things in hip hop and the integrity of hip hop. And now you just don't do that in a rap battle. But then when it comes to things like this, it's like you can't see why. Even if you don't agree, you can't see why people are looking at him like this is a sore loser move. That's why you're doing this. You can't see why people are doing that.

[Maul]

I can see why people think a lot of this. They think that don't mean I have to agree with it for sure. Yeah, I could see why people think that I don't have to agree with it. Yeah, 100%. I never said I don't see why people think that.

[Damaris]

Okay. And you.

[Maul]

I'm saying I don't think. I don't see. I don't see how y'all don't see what he's doing as protecting his brand. That's the part I don't understand.

[Damaris]

Well, we, I mean, we explain that to you, but we can disagree.

[Rory]

And I don't think there's anything wrong with Maul having a bias for his friend. If, if somebody. If another podcast called Maul a pedophile and I, we all know for a fact Maul's not a pedophile. And let's say it worked. Everyone was going around saying Mall's a pedophile. You don't think I'd have a bias in screaming that Mall's not a pedophile? That was a corny fucking move. Of course I would.

[Damaris]

And. But that's the but. And this is the thing. That's fine.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

The issue is when we're trying to get Ma to admit that he has said bias, Ma will say he doesn't have a bias. And I don't think that that's true. I don't know if we've ever full out Patreon episode. You weren't here. I sat in that exact spot where you're at and I asked Ma did he have a Drake bias? And he said no.

[Rory]

Oh.

[Maul]

As far as when it comes to.

[Damaris]

Music, when it comes to period, that's your friend.

[Maul]

Yeah, but I don't have a bias when it comes to his music. I sat on here and said when I didn't like Drake. I sat on here and said when I didn't like the. The single he dropped led was him and Scissors the Slime. You.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah.

[Damaris]

We were having a. About the Kendrick battle and the, the.

[Maul]

Oh, and the battle. I'm riding with my nigga. I don't give a fuck who the other side is.

[Damaris]

Okay. But I'm riding with my man.

[Maul]

It's a battle and we talking about. Yeah, I'm on this side battling. You got to pick a side, which is why I don't fuck with what your man did. You got to pick a side. Pick a side. That's a win, lose a draw. We gonna pick a side over here. I'll take the L, but I ain't gonna be playing double Dutch. Nah, we don't do that. So, yeah, if it comes to a battle, I'm always riding with my niggas.

[Damaris]

And that's where it's at. We don't do that. We don't do that. You're setting hip hop rules.

[Maul]

Don't do what?

[Damaris]

Not suing in a hip battle. In a rap battle or not. You know, not taking rap battles legal is also a hip hop rule. So you can't say we don't do this, but the other shit we don't do.

[Maul]

You listen, listen. But you crossing the lines, because taking a hip hop battle to court, that's legal. It's not. Yeah, but it's not. It's not about the battle. It's the business that was done behind a record that was used in a battle. Kendrick. Kendrick Duckworth is not being asked to come to no court or nothing at all. So this isn't about that. This is about what the business did with a song that was used during a battle. This is not about the outcome of a battle. And, you know, bring Kendrick in here because he said this about. No, this is not that. Yo, I feel like y'all did some funny shit because y'all know the type of negotiations we having. I feel like y'all did some funny shit behind this record, and I can also prove it. And I also have language in my contract to where y'all violated my contract.

[Damaris]

Okay, so final question, and we can move on. Do you feel like if Kendrick had put out Not Like Us, and it said nothing about pedophilia and still blew up as big as it did. Do you feel like Drake would still be suing UMG if he called him something else? What a pedophile. I feel like if something else still.

[Maul]

Blew up, I feel like no matter what, if he feels like something in his contract was violated and he's in the middle of one of the biggest negotiations an artist has ever been in the middle of in the history of music, I feel like he would be going to court for it.

[Rory]

Do you think I asked this again because we kind of went past it as the final question. Do you think Kendrick Lamar has a case against UMG as well? As far as defamation, you funded a record that said defamation, had a couple records that said, I beat my wife, use my wife's name, talked about my children that aren't mine. Does he not also have a defamation case?

[Maul]

Sure.

[Rory]

Okay, cool.

[Damaris]

If he filed that defamation case, if this battle had went the opposite way, if he. If he.

[Maul]

If Kendra comes out tomorrow and files a defamation case of umg, I would be like, yo, if they violated some of this contract, I hope he gets all the money he wants.

[Damaris]

Okay. All right, cool. Have you guys heard Jim Jones's reply?

[Rory]

Yeah, I like that he rapped. I mean.

[Maul]

Oh, no, we know that he's in record time, and he. Jim gonna respond. When he had to respond to Pusha, he shot a video.

[Rory]

It's waiting an hour.

[Maul]

Yeah, he had a video out, edited, colored everything in an hour and a half.

[Rory]

So, like, how do you find a camera crew on 4050?

[Maul]

Yeah. Nah, Jim, he gonna respond. We gotta worry about Jim responding.

[Rory]

I'm not gonna compare being called a pedophile to, you're from the Bronx. But I do.

[Maul]

It's 1A, 1B.

[Rory]

We know the Bronx is dirty as fuck, so it's close.

[Maul]

Yo, chill, chill. We not. We ain't gonna keep running with that Bronx. You know, the Bronx has some beautiful parts. It's some beautiful parts of the Bronx.

[Rory]

We're not doing beauty and dirt.

[Maul]

Yeah, but. Nah. But, nah. But y'all be trying to make it seem like the Bronx is, like, you know, just like a wasteland. Like, we not doing that.

[Rory]

The Bronx is Staten Island.

[Maul]

Come on, Peach. Peach knows I have some good nights in the Bronx.

[Damaris]

Learn how to Crip walk in the Bronx.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Maul]

Cause you have to know him. You want to be hanging out. Yeah.

[Rory]

So we finally revealed the Crip friend. We've been avoided saying his name for, like, two years.

[Damaris]

That's also not who I was up there with. But that's mad funny that you said that.

[Maul]

That's just funny.

[Damaris]

That's mad funny that you. I'm crying. I'mma bleep that, but I'm crying.

[Rory]

No, but I like. I like Jim's snippet, obviously, promoting the album. He put up. He put up some. Some Maga merch. Make Dipset great again.

[Maul]

I'm not gonna lie. Beefing with Cam and then wearing dipset gloves. And your response video was just like, all right, fam. It's a grown conspiracy online that this is all, you know, being. This is a play. This is being, you know, set up. Like, they. Not really. This is not really a real beef. This is all, you know, this is kind of marketing this is kind of what you call what the young boys call it. Clout chasing.

[Rory]

Yes. And the Republicans call it grifting.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You know, all right, I guess I can go with that theory that they're behind this, because we've actually heard for years behind the scenes that they're. Who was it Lior that someone was trying to get Jim to beef with Cam or like, Mace was behind the scenes saying, like, yo, we should be for the public, this has been a thing. But even when they were all beefing, they've always worn Dipset. They created it together. I'm still wearing Dipset, even if I'm beefing with Dipset. It's what I'm. I'm. I'm doing. And I like that he replied with raps that weren't, like, emotional.

[Maul]

Yeah, right.

[Rory]

Like, he didn't. And I don't think Cam's response was emotional, but that could have been more of a crash out with a reply. Yeah, I like that he just got up there and told his story and plugged his album that's coming out and promoted his single. That's how I. I mean, I mean.

[Maul]

I just don't want to.

[Rory]

Jim looks like the mature one after that. Like, I thought it was the good move. If Jim really got on there and got emotional and started saying, I mean, it's emotional.

[Maul]

This whole thing is based off of emotions.

[Rory]

I'm saying more of the, like, suck my dick route or like, all this in raps. He just went and told the story, told his side.

[Maul]

Yeah, listen, I respect it.

[Rory]

And high end raps. Great beat.

[Maul]

I just hate that it's where it's at with these two. I just think that some of the things that have been exposed and talked about publicly should have never been talked about. Especially when you talking about Jim and Cam, you know, it's just way too personal. And I just don't think that that's for entertainment. I don't think that they should be beefing for entertainment. I don't believe, like, how some people online have started to say this is all fake and they're doing this just to, you know, I don't think that that's real. I think that this is a real issue that they have. They've been through this before. Seems like they go through this every few years. But I do think that this may be the, the, like, the final, you know, straw where I don't think that we'll be seeing a Dipset reunion anytime.

[Rory]

No. And. And to that conspiracy, I wouldn't see the point. This time around, Jim, I think, like we said last episode is the past few years, has created a great solo rap career for himself. Cam is doing great on that show. Why would they need that? They don't. Neither of them need this.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So I. I don't know if I'm going that conspiracy.

[Maul]

All right. But let's. Let's just. Just for shits and gigs. How long before we see Jim on? It Is what it Is.

[Rory]

I think they make up.

[Maul]

Elliot was on within, what, a week and a half?

[Rory]

I think Cam is so petty that they make up and are cool, and he still never invites them up there because it'd be too good of a look.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Even when they've made up, we've seen how. How petty Cam can be to the point that when they were cool, he even bought the vamp like. Like copyright without Jim even knowing, and it was cool.

[Maul]

I don't know, man. I just seem like. Cause Cam is petty. But then he had the petty king up there, and they was beefing at 50. So if, like, Cam at 50, could sit down and chop it. I don't think he'll do it, is what it is. I think he'll do Come and talk with Flea.

[Rory]

That's what I could see. I could definitely see that.

[Maul]

I don't know if Jim and Mace could be in the studio together. No, I don't know if it's. You know, Even though Mace did say he did try to get them on the phone together so they could squash it. And I love that Mace put that out there. He's like, listen, I tried to get them to talk, you know, privately before anything went to where it went. You can't make two grown men get on the phone and speak if they don't want to. But the fact that Mace tried that, I love that. But I could see a Come and talk with Flea. I could see Jim doing a come and talk with Flea.

[Rory]

My last rap battle comment. Do you think if Drake does decide to rap, he will call Kendrick Lamar's halftime performance A2B movie? I can see him getting that bar off. Why you have? Because they're streaming the super bowl on Tui.

[Maul]

What do you mean they're streaming the.

[Rory]

Super bowl on Tui?

[Maul]

How?

[Rory]

Electricity, I assume. I don't know.

[Maul]

So is it. Wait, the super bowl is being exclusively.

[Damaris]

No, not exclusively.

[Rory]

No.

[Maul]

I'm about to be like, I didn't.

[Rory]

Know you're selling the super bowl rights to Tubi.

[Maul]

I didn't know Tubi had the battle. I'm supposed to Be like, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Rory]

See, now you. Now. Now you pocket watching. Like I was with Meek, you know, Tubi May. Got it, man.

[Maul]

Fair. Fair.

[Rory]

You don't even know. This could be a Meek and Tubi collab.

[Damaris]

Well, Fox. Fox owns Tubi.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

No.

[Maul]

Okay. All right.

[Rory]

So that's a good look to be extreme.

[Maul]

Give him a little look. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

[Rory]

But I feel like that would be a good jab if for a Drake reply. Your halftime show was a to be movie. Like.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I mean, not that it would really have much validity because it's still the super bowl, but. Yeah, gotta get that off.

[Maul]

I get it. Okay. But okay, I was. I was ready to go. Like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Because y'all was, you know, talking crazy about Beyonce and her Christmas Netflix performance to be.

[Rory]

You hate them, man.

[Maul]

No, but now that this is a Fox, you know, this is one of the Foxes, you know, little homies. It makes sense. I see the business. I see the business behind it.

[Damaris]

Well, maybe the shows that get better now, a little bit more high budget. What you think?

[Maul]

I mean, the money is obviously there.

[Rory]

I think Fox is going to be yelling two B's from the Bronx. I don't think it's. There'll be a split at some point they try and put the little homie on. I don't think it's going to work out.

[Maul]

Give him a little look.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Maul]

And then like, all right, go do.

[Rory]

And hold it over their head.

[Maul]

Yeah. Like we gave you that look. Yeah. I know how that shit gave you the super bowl few weeks away.

[Damaris]

You excited? Who y'all think?

[Maul]

Yeah. As to the Super Bowl, I don't know yet, man. I don't know. It's still too. It's still too early to even like. I. Obviously, I feel like I want to.

[Rory]

See the Lions injuries like that.

[Maul]

I wouldn't be mad at that. The Detroit going to go crazy if the Lions go to the Super Bowl.

[Rory]

I'd like to see the. The cities of Detroit or Buffalo finally get there.

[Maul]

That's like a. That's a man super bowl right there.

[Rory]

Yeah. That's a blue collar. Yeah.

[Maul]

Still. They. Them still take their lunch to work. Yeah.

[Rory]

They all have the black lung.

[Maul]

The black lung.

[Rory]

All of them.

[Maul]

They all spit tar when they get home from work.

[Rory]

Backbone United States.

[Maul]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

But now I'm excited. I might go down to New Orleans. I'm still figuring that out. But not to the actual game, you know?

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Might be in the no streets, you know, give LeAngelo validity.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Can I Come. I've never been to New Orleans.

[Rory]

I would say there's a reason why.

[Maul]

You'Ve never been to New.

[Rory]

We should go into. Not this.

[Maul]

Because you might not come back from New Orleans. You might be out there just doing too much.

[Damaris]

I. Well, I. I don't really do too much when I go out, but I do.

[Maul]

You sat here and almost went crazy. Told my New Orleans accents. Like, just something about it. Something about a New Orleans accent.

[Damaris]

That's my favorite accent.

[Rory]

Homie was just in your DMs.

[Maul]

Homie was just in your DM.

[Rory]

He got a spot.

[Damaris]

You think he'll let me borrow it without him being there?

[Rory]

No.

[Damaris]

Oh, no.

[Maul]

Oh, no. He'll be there.

[Damaris]

I'm so.

[Maul]

He don't go nowhere.

[Damaris]

I'm so cool.

[Rory]

If there's anywhere he'll be, it'll be inside your house.

[Maul]

It'll be home.

[Damaris]

No, I'm mad cool on that, actually, but I've never been. I heard they have the best food in the world. That's why I want to go.

[Rory]

It's definitely up there. I feel like you should go on a non. For sure super bowl weekend or, like.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I want to do, like, some essence.

[Rory]

Like, go do a New Orleans experience by yourself.

[Damaris]

I want to do, like, a. I want to go, like, do some research on it. Like hoodoo and voodoo. Like, I wanna.

[Rory]

Oh, it's there. You can feel it. Yeah, it's in the air.

[Damaris]

That's. That's my type of shit.

[Rory]

So maybe did they put the new Equalizer with Queen Latifah on Tubi? Cause those moves that look like a Tubi special.

[Maul]

I caught some. Some of Queen Latifah on Equalize. Listen, we love Queen Latifah, man. She's a icon. But I just think it's certain roles. We gotta be like, all right, man.

[Rory]

All right. Where do we. Where do we rank this with Kev Hart's handgun display at the end of that movie versus Queen Latifah whooping three guys ass with a scarf in a project lobby with a scarf at that. Where did the scarf get that much weight? Got a rock in that shit?

[Damaris]

Nah, it's, like, lightweight, so you could just, like, kind of whip. Like, remember when we used to take the dish towels and, like, we didn't.

[Rory]

Do that to five grown men.

[Maul]

Yeah, those are, like, four grown men, though, that were really trying to hurt her, though. Like, that's. That scarf. Is that cashmere? Wasn't supposed to do all of that.

[Rory]

Do you feel like in movies sometimes they they already know what this scene is going to do and do it for viral purposes. Like when they shot this, no one was sitting there, like, this is going to be one of those fighting scenes that like Jet Li did. Everyone's gonna be like, this is hilarious. That Queen Latifah is beating up five men with a scarf and one of them ran away and Mike Epps is laughing in the front seat.

[Damaris]

Well, not everybody though, because if you're casting Queen Latifah in the movie, the demographic you're trying to get will believe the script scarfed it.

[Rory]

We've seen her whoop ass in movies, don't get me wrong, but this is a different.

[Maul]

You don't think this, this, this show is trying to target my demographic?

[Damaris]

Your demographic? No, I think your mom, Drake fans, I think they want you.

[Maul]

Oh, they absolutely targeted me. What are you talking about?

[Damaris]

Nah, I think they want your mom.

[Maul]

Are you crazy?

[Rory]

You feel targeted?

[Maul]

Yes. And I don't believe none of this scene.

[Damaris]

Why do you feel targeted? Why would you think they were trying to get you a female equalizer that's whooping somebody with a scarf. They use Queen Latifah. Why do you think that you're the demographic?

[Maul]

Because I'm gonna just go out on the whim and say that the age that Queen Latifah is portraying in this may be my age.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but demographic is more than age. Demographic is more than age.

[Maul]

Like the cast, maybe, like, what are we talking about here? But this is absolutely. Target men in the Bronx to 35 plus year olds. This is. This equalizer show is definitely targeted.

[Damaris]

But demographics, that's one thing. That's. It's more than just age. It's race.

[Maul]

We're black.

[Damaris]

It's lifestyle.

[Maul]

I'm from the street.

[Damaris]

Gender more than anything. You think they put Queen Latifah as a female equalizer for you? For men. That was not for men. That was for women.

[Maul]

All right, so you think any girl that I grew up with on my block is going to see this and believe this scene?

[Damaris]

No, it's not about believing the scene. I'm talking about purely who the demographic of this is for. Okay, I don't even think that girls that grew up on your block. Again, I don't think that's the demographic. I think the demographic is your mother. That's who I think the demographics.

[Maul]

You think, you think they.

[Damaris]

I think women, older women are the empowered.

[Maul]

You think they targeted 70 year old women this show? Yes.

[Damaris]

70, 60 and 50 year old women? Yes. I think that that's the demographic.

[Rory]

I mean, I don't.

[Damaris]

Those are the Queen Latifah fans. Okay, Like, I'm crazy.

[Maul]

If you think the equalizer is targeting 60 and 70 year old people, you're crazy. Okay, Absolutely.

[Rory]

I mean, the main one is probably 30s and 40s, but I'm sure they'd.

[Maul]

Like to like, you think the equalizer.

[Damaris]

50S. I think 40s and 50s.

[Maul]

I just said that.

[Damaris]

But no, you say your age.

[Rory]

He's 40.

[Damaris]

I forget that sometimes.

[Maul]

I'm talking about here, okay? Y'all be sitting here trying to make me sound crazy all the time, dog.

[Damaris]

You don't act your age. This is for old. When I think of this, I'm thinking about older people.

[Rory]

Let that shock it all. That's crazy.

[Damaris]

I'm thinking older people.

[Rory]

It's only older people.

[Damaris]

Like mature.

[Rory]

Just let it slide.

[Maul]

I told you 25, all lives. I'm listening to it.

[Rory]

You don't act your age is when.

[Damaris]

I say he don't act his age. I'm not saying he acts childish. I'm saying what he does for a living and the type. Like what you do for a living and the type of. That you watch. That's not your. Like, that's not your age group.

[Maul]

I do a podcast for a living. You think Joe Rogan's not older than me?

[Damaris]

Sure, but Joe Rogan is in a hip hop podcast.

[Maul]

You think so? Do you think. All right, never mind. Because we could keep going. I could keep proving wrong, but I'm not.

[Rory]

Do you think Equalizer and Joe Rogan are trying to target the same people?

[Maul]

Joe Rogan is not trying to target who the Equalizer is trying to.

[Rory]

Why isn't Joe Rogan in the Equalizer if Queen Latifah beat up Joe Rogan this scene. You have my 12.99. I'm going to Theories. Yeah, I'm not even streaming.

[Maul]

I might need to see. I might need to see the second part of this fight. I might.

[Rory]

Joe Rogan, like when he get his.

[Maul]

Get back when he got the scarf. I want to see what joke he. The scarf wrap around his arm and he pulled that away from me.

[Rory]

No, he hops out of a Ayahuasca tank with this scarf taking a cold plunge.

[Maul]

Yeah, that's what I want to see.

[Rory]

I mean, all these fight scenes we don't fully believe until I saw this other clip. Can you pull up that link under the Queen Latifah? Shit?

[Damaris]

Yeah, I got you, Maul.

[Rory]

This is not a. A movie set that. That guy did that in Real life. Imagine you chilling at the mall and that happens.

[Damaris]

That's crazy.

[Rory]

That's a real life fighting scene for sure. Maybe Queen Latifah could do that shit.

[Maul]

Yeah, no, that's crazy. If that's not a. A movie set, getting that off in real life is crazy.

[Rory]

What. What's the shit Simone, Bile and them do when they jump up and do. It's like their version of trips Triple Axel. Like, what's that spin called? He did that shit with another man's neck between his thighs.

[Maul]

Yeah, now he knows something. He knows something. He been studying.

[Rory]

They got guys with riot shields and weapons that are terrified. He came in Raw Dog and did that shit.

[Maul]

Yeah, he been training. He been paying attention.

[Rory]

Yo, I saw the funniest trend. I hope TikTok does not end this trend. In the Houston Galleria Mall, there are people faking proposals and then go into full blown WWE fighting scenes. Like they'll stop in the food court to set up this whole flash dance. This is. This is WWE Flashdance.

[Maul]

Got you.

[Rory]

Everyone looks. Oh my God. A proposal and then it gets into full blown rock.

[Maul]

But this is all for TikTok, right? So all this type of shit is over.

[Damaris]

Well, this is a professional wrestler that did this too.

[Maul]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

You know how many times I've been to the gallery of food court? Why does doesn't this happen to me in real life?

[Maul]

Look at the crawling.

[Rory]

I want to be.

[Maul]

You saw how he crawled. He crawled out of the frame.

[Damaris]

Yo, I never watched the whole clip. This is fucking hilarious. Cause it really is like wrestling and.

[Rory]

Then you don't even know whose side she on. Because it was pitched as baby father interrupts proposal with new boyfriend. She beats up the new boyfriend too.

[Damaris]

Yeah, new boyfriend and baby father. Don't swing on my baby father. Let me beat my baby father ass. You don't. You don't come.

[Maul]

The other girl was just standing on the table waiting for him to come over there. This gentleman is trying to. Is waiting for his wife to finish trying on his shoes.

[Rory]

Yo, when I tell you, do we know? Is this like a group? Do they have like their own page? I would train for months to have the opportunity to be a part of this.

[Damaris]

Well, they're professional wrestlers.

[Rory]

That's what I'm saying. This would be a dream for me if they took me under their wing.

[Maul]

Go out there and get your ass.

[Rory]

I want to do like the American dream in Jersey. Like, I'll train for safety. This would be the fun.

[Damaris]

See them cops to get you out of Here so quickly and.

[Rory]

Oh, for two for proposals.

[Damaris]

You good with, like, your hips and, like, your, like, like legs like that. Like your thighs.

[Rory]

I would train. They're not what they used to train when I did.

[Damaris]

That's not what I asked. I asked. Are you good now?

[Rory]

Like, yeah.

[Maul]

Never. People do this domestic. No, no, no. That means they can't.

[Rory]

I mean, you know, old football injury, old track injury, but, you know, I.

[Maul]

Was with Father Time. I get it.

[Rory]

When I would have. Would have been in the league, but I think I. One of those easier moves I could be a part of.

[Maul]

What's the easy one? Just jump off the table.

[Rory]

Yeah. And like, throw me into a ball pit or something.

[Maul]

Ball pit. These niggas middle of an escalator. He talking about ball pit.

[Rory]

They have that at the American Dream. They have everything.

[Maul]

All right, Baby D, we got any voicemails? You got mail.

[Damaris]

Yes. We only have. So this is the thing, y'all. When y'all are sending voicemails, you have a minute and 30 seconds. Please tell that entire story in a minute and 30 seconds. I'm not playing a seven minute voicemail on this episode.

[Maul]

Yeah, no, that's. We're definitely not doing that.

[Damaris]

We're not doing that. I need y'all to get it all off in a minute and 30 seconds. Okay. That's number one. Number two, more people need to leave voicemails. Y'all have to. And don't call asking stupid. There's a couple of them I had to skip because y'all in here asking stupid questions. Asking questions. Y'all know we aren't gonna give you the answer to. Just call, ask our advice, and we'll give it to you. But, yes, I do have one that fits the bill. So you guys ready?

[Maul]

Hey, this is King. I think my question for y'all is really just, what are some of y'all favorite fashion brands right now? And what are some of y'all favorite.

[Damaris]

Fashion trends that you've either observed or you've partaked in in the past?

[Rory]

Or current.

[Maul]

Yeah, that's it. Current fashion trends. Yeah, that we like.

[Damaris]

Yeah, like red boots. Big red boots.

[Rory]

What would you have done if I showed up to the pod with those boots on left?

[Maul]

I just looked at you and laugh. Same way when you.

[Rory]

But, like, I wasn't trolling. Like, I came in, thought I had that shit on you come in here.

[Damaris]

All the time, think you got that shit on. We gonna hit this pile with you.

[Maul]

No, I don't.

[Rory]

What if I come and be like, yo, you see my drip?

[Maul]

Yeah, I got that shit on today.

[Rory]

I wear fucking earth tones.

[Maul]

I don't know what are the current fashion trends right now. I don't even know if I know what the current fashion trend.

[Damaris]

I only know for women. I don't know for men.

[Maul]

What's up for women.

[Damaris]

Many, many shorts are back in, like, shorts that look like panties.

[Maul]

When did they leave? Nah, women have been naked for the last.

[Damaris]

It's different.

[Rory]

Can we bring sundresses? Just back, like, I wasn't even mad when all the chicks were dressing like SWAT team members that summer.

[Damaris]

But, like, you talked mad that summer. What are you talking about? You were mad.

[Rory]

Oh, no, the asses look great. It was just hilarious.

[Maul]

Like, SWAT team, though.

[Damaris]

Like, the one pieces, like, body suits that, like, cuffed like underwear. It looked like bathing suits almost. Or the. The full body suits where it's like, racer kind of funny.

[Rory]

But they were putting on, like, vests over those bodysuits, and I'm like, all right, SEAL Team six, We ain't. We didn't call you cute, though.

[Damaris]

I think that's cute.

[Maul]

I don't know any current fashion trends.

[Rory]

All the. All the trends.

[Maul]

I guess the. The. The shies. Y'all can get rid of that.

[Rory]

That's just for safety.

[Maul]

Everybody just being dressed and having on a ski mask is like. I don't care if it says Chanel on it.

[Damaris]

I ain't gonna lie to you. I went outside today and I thought about putting on a sheisty. It was cold. As if you in New York.

[Rory]

Understandable.

[Damaris]

Wear a sheisty right now.

[Rory]

But in the summertime, like, you can't ban hoverboards and not ban shiesties in the summer.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, what you wearing that for? Except for crime.

[Maul]

Right.

[Rory]

But so the trendier kids, I feel like, are all wearing Hot Topic pants now.

[Maul]

Big pants. Yeah, yeah. Parachute pants.

[Rory]

That's a thing.

[Maul]

I mean, I get it. I'm not mad at it. I mean, everything has this. When we was growing up or when I was growing up, big pants was in. That was a thing. Like, so I see how everything comes back big. Baggy jeans, wide leg flare bottom pants where they dragging on the floor. You can't even see your boot. All of that is back. Like, I'm not really a fan of that, but I understand it. I get.

[Rory]

Do we think with the baggy pant trend. This has been my ignorant observation because I don't really be outside or be on blogs for fashion. I feel like sneaker culture has dipped a Little bit. Because all the trendy kids that were sneaker heads are wearing baggy clothes that don't even really show the sneaker. And everyone's wearing big ass boots so they can go with their baggy.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I walk past supreme store, I don't see the lines. It used to be.

[Maul]

Yeah, a lot of shit is just.

[Rory]

And I could be completely wrong. It could be skyrocketing. Yeah, I know. Observation in my bubble. I feel like the sneaker collector sneakerhead has died down a bit.

[Damaris]

I feel like it's died down too. I feel like that's a. Nike has a lot to do with that though.

[Rory]

With skinny jeans, you needed the. The high top sneaker and that was the. The piece. Now it's the pants.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Yeah. So Nike made so hard with the Nike Dot. Remember the Nike.com app and trying to get drops and sneakers became too exclusive. And like when you make something too exclusive cause don't want it because they don't even try to shop for it. They know they're not gonna get it. So only people that got the cool sneakers are sneakerheads now.

[Maul]

But the resale game is dying though. Like, shoes are sitting like Jordans are sitting in the stores now. Like, and that's when you start seeing that happen. It's like, oh, okay. Like that resale shit. People buying a bunch of them shits, that's over with people not even wearing them shits. It's harder to get like new balances and fucking, you know, shit like that now. Like collab sneakers with local artists. It's harder to get those sneakers than it is to get. Get a pair of Jordans now. Like, I don't know. The. The fashion world is, is, you know, it's tricky. It has its ups and downs, especially when you talking about street wear and things like that. A lot of brands come and go.

[Damaris]

Do you have any streetwear brands that you're willing to. Because I know certain you're not willing to shout out because they ain't paying you. But they did ask like, are there any brands that like you really with either new or up and coming or ones you're loyal to because people care about the way that y'all dress. I don't know why, but they do.

[Rory]

Cause I got that shit on you. Was hating before streetwear brand.

[Maul]

I mean, no response. Shout out to my people at Godspeed. Those are my guys. I mean, I still supreme depending on what it is. But outside of that, I don't really jump too much into street wear like that. Anymore.

[Rory]

Like, yeah, I don't feel like it's been kind of a open disrespect to my face that I haven't been in an AME campaign yet.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I do.

[Rory]

I thought in the beginning was, like, I get it. I'm not that pop. Whatever. Cool. I think it's personal now when I seen some of them, because I've been seeing people that like. And humbly, because I don't. I really don't think I'm famous. I Z List celebrity. If anything, people have way more following than me. But I'd be seeing some people that one are uglier than me and have less followers.

[Maul]

So now it's personal.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, not. This is a. They sit in their creative meeting and are like, all right, remember. No, Rory, this campaign, like, that's the first rule. No one in the marketing team ever suggests that that's all right.

[Maul]

We just make our own shit. That's how we get around that.

[Damaris]

Y'all can make some cool.

[Maul]

I see now. Now, you know what? She don't get no packages just because she said we ain't making no Ame watch. You know she gonna be the first one. I need that. Nah, nah, yo.

[Rory]

Ame is my. My favorite brand. And I think people have known that for now. Like, every photo or pod, I'm wearing some type of ame. I'm happy with their success. The new store, they. They are investors light years above from when I started wearing it. And that being like, the local queen shop, I knew all the employees. I walk in now, I feel real disrespected. Like, sir, do you have an appointment? Oh, there's a line. They put me with the common folk. Like, no, I was here with the first T shirt.

[Maul]

Yeah. I go back to that time. Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm starting to become that person. Like, not the. Do you know who I am? But even when they had the older store and the lines would get crazy, they were doing exclusive drops. I knew all the people there because I had been shopping there since they opened it.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And like, yo, come on. Come on. I'm still paying. They're not giving me no free. I'm a paying customer. But now they just look at me, like, go in the line with the Taurus.

[Maul]

Go get a. It's cold. Go get a coffee and stand outside.

[Rory]

Yeah. And then, like, you know, they have. Because you have an account there. When I go check out and they can see how much business I've had, I looked him right in the eyes like, you made me wait 40 minutes to come in here.

[Maul]

And you are such a Karen.

[Damaris]

He is. It's bad. It's bad.

[Maul]

I think it's gotten worse since you had a daughter. I don't know if you know, it's kind.

[Rory]

Let me ask y'all, this. This is a good. This is a good conversation. Yes, I agree. I do have my Karen moments, for sure. Not denying that. Is that Karen shit, though. If you have supported a brand since the beginning. Supported it?

[Maul]

Yes, for free.

[Rory]

I've promoted it. Listen. No, no, no. My shit is free.

[Maul]

No, no. I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. Yes, it is Karen shit. But I also agree with it.

[Rory]

Okay, all right, cool.

[Maul]

Yeah, see, I'm not.

[Damaris]

I'm not knocking his way.

[Maul]

Yeah. I'm not knocking with you. I'm just laughing when I see you go through, like, yo, that is such Karen shit. But I'm with you on that.

[Rory]

I feel like if you can see.

[Maul]

My spinning history, look me in my eyes when you look up from that monitor. Like, yeah, look me in my eyes.

[Rory]

Yeah. And I'm not mad because, you know, they got a whole new staff, and a lot of the people that worked at Amain now are, like, in the executive level. Like, they're not the cashiers or the salesman anymore.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

They have. Have, like, roles now that are way higher because they've been with the company.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

It's just a new breed that has no idea who the I am, which is fine. But it is insulting to my ego.

[Maul]

Right.

[Rory]

Which gets me on my Karen. I should have been shopping online during COVID I should have been outside, showing face, meeting the new employees.

[Damaris]

Bumping. Bumping shoulders. I was about to say bumping shoulders. Right.

[Rory]

And that. Boy, is that embarrassing when you're with out of towners, too, because, you know, Ame store, for the most part, just in New York at one point, they didn't have them everywhere. So you get people from LA out of town. Yo, I gotta go to Ame. Like, I want to go to the store. Yeah, I got you line around the corner. New employee trying to bring emotional oranges in there. I'm all the confidence. Like, yeah, come on, man. That's my store. Of course. Right, sir, there's an hour away.

[Damaris]

Oh, I know. Oh, and when Rory has people with him and he gets, like, embarrassed and, like, flustered, his face is red. Oh, he gonna call.

[Maul]

That's when they call. That's when they call the cops.

[Rory]

It's not embarrassment. It' I. I'm responsible for these people experience.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And Now I'm it up.

[Maul]

Yeah, so I feel you on that.

[Damaris]

I hate that. That's the most embarrassing thing. Like, if I. If I turned around somewhere. Yeah, if I get turned around somewhere, it's just me, nobody, if. You know, if a tear falls, nobody's around to hear it. I didn't really cry, but if people are with me, it's like. And then when they be like, no, it's cool. Like, we could wait. My heart, you in the club, girls to the club. And if they, like, you ain't on the list.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah.

[Maul]

And they'd be like, nah, we're not letting nobody in right now. So you stand to the side and wait. And then they let five people walk right in.

[Rory]

Oh, then you gotta lie. Yo, it's a new doorman. Like, yeah.

[Maul]

And then the people you got, what, you start whispering to each other like you don't even know what they're talking about.

[Rory]

Your dumb ass just standing there with a phone in your ear, acting like.

[Maul]

You texted somebody, calling somebody. Like, ain't nobody coming outside this car.

[Rory]

And then. And then the person that was gonna get you in doesn't answer. So now they watch you get denied, and they watch no one pick your call up. It's girls, they're in dresses. It's cold out.

[Maul]

Yeah, that's when you go to the go to. Like, I heard it's light in there anyway. Like, let's go. It's light in there anyway.

[Damaris]

Like, listen, now he just text me something dead.

[Maul]

Yeah, yeah, it's dead. It ain't even worth it. I'm gonna go to this other spot.

[Damaris]

That's so funny.

[Rory]

You gotta call the fire marshal on your way up.

[Maul]

Yeah, this whole party up that.

[Rory]

Yeah. Cause alone, like, even the last time I went to the homie store, there was a wait and I didn't know the person in the front. And I was like, I'll just keep walking to the train and buy online if I was with y'all. Oh, I'm throwing a fit. 100. But yeah, I don't really. I mean, yeah, I'm not with the fashion trends.

[Maul]

I really couldn't tell you.

[Rory]

Where would you, like, where would you.

[Maul]

Like, wear your shit?

[Rory]

Unless you're a teacher.

[Maul]

Even if you're a big sneaker head collector, Wear your sneakers because you just keeping them in boxes in the closet. They gonna fucking break in half next time you try to put them on. Wear your shit. Like, I'm at that point. Wear whatever you got. I don't care if that. That's a collector's edition. And wear it. Yeah, that's my. That's my advice. Wear your. Whatever you like to wear. However you like to wear it. Just wear it. It's no rules no more. It was never no rules in fashion. That was part of fashion, but weird. However you want to wear it.

[Rory]

Well, this was fun. We will be back very, very soon. Yes, before we leave Damaris. You don't think I got the drip on right now?

[Damaris]

You got, like. I mean, you look like Rory.

[Maul]

You like a good substitute teacher.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Maul]

The cool substitutes keep the sneakers in case a fight breakout. You know what I'm saying? You got to be able to move if a fight break out.

[Rory]

She just not like us. Me with the he do he be like that.

[Damaris]

The young girls would want to like. Oh, I would. Yeah. Do you look like that? Or the young professor? Like the young professor at a university. You not tenure yet. Yeah, yeah.

[Maul]

I like how you say yeah. Yeah, like, I know. I know exactly what you mean. Yeah, I got you.

[Rory]

Let's get out of here, man, before I get any more accusations.

[Maul]

Be safe, be blessed. Have a great weekend. We'll talk to you, y'all, soon. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Peace.

[Damaris]

New warrior mouse.