Episode 402 | Hotline Sing

Summary

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New Rory & Mal Episode 402 – "Hotline Sing" (September 4, 2025)

Overview

In this episode, Rory and Mal are joined by Fat Joe and Damaris for their signature blend of comedic banter, irreverent hot takes, and behind-the-scenes insights from music and New York culture. They revisit stories from Labor Day weekend, dissect the ripple effects of leaked jail phone calls in the Young Thug/YSL saga, wade into heated debates about snitching and rap authenticity, and break down current shifts in hip-hop media, notably Drake’s selective interviews and a shakeup at NYC radio station Hot 97. The episode is a mix of offhand humor, real talk, and playful group therapy for the culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Professional Podcast Voices & Inside Jokes (02:43–04:43)

• Rory and Fat Joe joke about podcast “professional voices”—with Rory feeling called out (again!) for adopting one, and Fat Joe poking fun at Jim Jones for the same.
• Damaris catches strays for supposedly ignoring Rory's music links—a running show gag about friends not supporting each other’s creative work.
• Mal clarifies Damaris' viral 'baby's first parkway' post, which wasn’t about her but her friend experiencing the parade for the first time.
• Quote:
  • Rory: “Sometimes you have to put on a whole different voice to be formal.” [02:52]

2. Weekend Recaps: Parkway Princess, Parties, & Studio Sessions (03:29–11:00)

• Recap of Labor Day weekend: Mal hit the parkway parade; Rory recorded with artist Jozzy and tried to share his new "lesbian love-making record" (hilariously targeting Damaris as the perfect listener/test audience).
• Lighthearted beef as Rory laments Damaris not responding to his music/video links—she defends her busy weekend with modeling gigs and parties.
• The crew riffs on nightlife, strip club culture, and the myth of men or women “just joking” about asking for money or sex—leading to a tongue-in-cheek debate about sincerity in ‘jokes’ related to relationships.
• Quote:
  • Fat Joe: “Rory, sometimes you need a point more than you need a nut. That’s fine. That’s what you chose.” [09:50]
  • Mal: “When not women, humans, when you pussy is just when you stand on what you say.” [11:43]
• The group explores mutual accountability and translation issues between male and female friends—blending jokes about sexual innuendo with real friendship grievances.

3. Music, Sex, and “Used Car” Analogies (14:12–16:09)

• The pod slides into wild analogies as Fat Joe asserts that women should “start pricing their [pussy] based on how it smell… just like they put a price on used cars.” [14:12]
• A comical back-and-forth about performance reviews in relationships—worst vs. best sex ever, and how reputation, comfort, and energy affect the experience, punctuated by references to other podcasts and gossip.
• Quote:
  • Rory: “One said it was the worst experience, one said it was the best she ever had. That sounds about right for me.” [15:32]
  • Fat Joe: “Saying you’re the worst is crazy.” [16:05]

4. Parade Chaos & Contact Highs (18:03–27:07)

• Mal, Fat Joe, and Damaris detail their respective Labor Day weekend events: vegan barbecue, Punch’s infamous backyard pool party with “15 porn stars,” high-energy parade scenes, and Damaris’ accidental contact high before a brand event.
• Recurring humor around not inviting each other, travel logistics (Brooklyn vs. Jersey), and who is “playing the corner” at parties.
• Quote:
  • Mal: “I planned on being sober because I had been drunk all weekend … I could not do the parkway sober.” [25:20]

5. Adult Allergy Talk, Eye Drops & Black Trauma (22:23–24:30)

• Rory laments newfound adult allergies and inability to use eye drops, leading to a digression about black people’s instinct to avoid closing their eyes in the shower “in case something pops off.”
• Quote:
  • Fat Joe: “Black people, we not shutting our eyes in the shower. What if some run up in the crib while I’m in the shower?” [24:05]
  • Rory: “Cuz Republicans don’t think black trauma exists.” [24:22]

6. YSL Leaked Calls: The Street Code Debate (29:40–58:26)

• Major Segment: The group analyzes the fallout from leaked jail phone calls/interrogations in the Young Thug/YSL RICO case—including whether law enforcement is actively sabotaging Thug’s image.
• Fat Joe argues that the government will “win the war” by tarnishing Thug’s public character through deliberate leaks (e.g., calls with Mariah the Scientist).
• They debate: Who leaks jail calls—rogue COs, the government, or lawyers?
• Meticulous discussion of snitching vs. loyalty, the reality of street codes, and surprising lack of outrage among fans over such issues.
• Rory, Mal, and Damaris note how Gunna’s plea/“snitch” accusations didn’t really impact his standing because he was never perceived as “really about that life,” whereas Thug’s image was more affected.
• Quotes:
  • Fat Joe: “The rules or code, no, that shit is only upheld by a select few.” [35:20]
  • “Snitching is part of the streets… You cannot be in the streets and not think people are not cooperating.” [36:14]
  • Mal: “Do people still like Young Thug?” [53:58]
  • Rory: “People don’t care about snitching… If the music is good, that’s all they care.” [58:00]
• The crew applies Mario Bros. analogies, reality checks about the public’s indifference, and contextualizes how even major “street cred” artists like Thug are ultimately judged by music quality and likability, not street rules.

Notable Timestamps:

• Snitching/Street code deep dive: 29:40–58:26
• Thug vs Gunna career aftermath: 44:03–58:26

7. Segue to Media, Interviews & Hip-Hop Journalism (67:45–82:36)

• Transition to hip-hop media conversations, sparked by the viral Drake/Bobby Althoff interview and journalist Elliott Wilson’s critique that all podcasters/rappers-turned-media figures are indistinguishable “media men.”
• The crew discusses whether artists owe “the culture” in-depth interviews, especially after major beefs (Kendrick/Drake), or if fun/personal content with outsiders (e.g., Kai Cenat, Aiden Ross, Bobby Althoff) suffices.
• Mal and Damaris note that black creators and platforms are skipped, causing warranted frustration—and that these selective interview choices are always strategic, not accidental.
• Quotes:
  • Fat Joe: “He doesn’t want to be culture vulture anymore. So he sits down with a white girl.” [87:22]
  • Rory: “Drake doesn’t owe us explanations for anything. But as a fan, I would love to hear him with someone who’ll ask questions I want to know.” [74:08]
• The group compares generational changes—how music journalism, fan access, and celebrity obligations have shifted since Jay-Z/ Nas days.

8. Radio Shakeups and NYC DJ Drama (91:11–98:15)

• Conversation pivots to the recent shakeup at Hot 97, spearheaded by Funk Flex allegedly orchestrating the departure of DJ Enough and Camilo.
• Rory suggests Flex played a corporate/“teacher’s pet” role in downsizing but may not be the sole decision-maker.
• References budget cuts, radio industry downsizing, and hints at a potential huge impending lawsuit in the music/radio business—hinting at money laundering and RICO cases.
• Quote:
  • Fat Joe: “Flex gonna be at Hot 97 long after you and I are gone.” [96:17]

9. Listeners’ Voicemails & End-of-Show Banter (99:15–end)

• The show wraps up with a listener’s follow-up about family drama over a guy, leading to playful teasing about “getting your aura up,” cousin dating confusion, and more “toxic” relationship humor.
• Group reflects on “daddy’s girls,” unhealthy relationships, and honestly debates who brings the most “blessing” or light to a room.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Fat Joe, on jail phone leaks:
  “This is not by accident. This is not a leak. This is a planned thing that I feel like the government...they want to get you. We may not have you behind bars, but we're gonna get you.” [29:43]

• Mal, on street codes:
  “The rules are cold. No, that shit is only upheld by a very select few. Everybody’s not a rat. Everybody’s not a snitch. But there are rats and there are snitches.” [35:20]

• Rory, on Gunna vs. Thug:
  “Gunna never really became unlikable other than the snitching thing. Thug has seemingly been picking on Gunna since he got out…now these leaked phone calls are coming out.” [44:31]

• On likability and music:
  Fat Joe: “If you put out good music, that’s all that matters.” [55:08] Rory: “People don’t care about snitching…If the music is good, that’s all they care.” [58:00]

• On Drake’s interview choices:
  Fat Joe: “He doesn’t want to be culture vulture anymore, so he sits down with the white girl.” [87:19]

• Elliot Wilson’s “media men” rant:
  “You podcasters and media men…we’re all the same motherfuckers…You're all media men. I’m not a journalist…I’m a media personality.” [69:11–69:57]

• On Hot 97 shakeup:
  Rory: “Flex is the leader of ‘I will do whatever corporate wants’...Flex gonna be there forever.” [95:40] Fat Joe: “Flex...he gonna be a Hot 97 for long, long after you and I are gone.” [96:17]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Professional voices, podcast persona: 02:43–04:43
• Labor Day/weekend recap & friend drama: 03:29–18:00
• Sex, analogies, and relationship debate: 14:12–18:00
• YSL jail call leaks & snitch code: 29:40–58:26
• Hits vs. snitch narrative—Thug/Gunna: 44:03–58:26
• Kendrick/Drake interviews, new media: 67:45–82:36
• Hot 97, Funk Flex, DJ Enough drama: 91:11–98:15
• Listener voicemails, comedic wrap: 99:15–end

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Episode Tone

• Fast-paced, sarcastic, and playful with sharp wit
• Candid, sometimes explicit, but peppered with real-life reflection
• Balances NYC nostalgia, music industry inside scoops, and lighthearted therapy

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Transcript

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[Mal]

And now.

[Rory]

And we're back. Did you see that?

[Fat Joe]

Fab.

[Rory]

And Mayno called out Jim Jones for using his professional podcast voice too. The way you did to me.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I felt seen by Jim, like, yeah, sometimes you have to put on a whole different voice to be formal.

[Fat Joe]

It's just funny coming from Jim, though. Like Jim trying to have Jim Jones having a professional voice.

[Rory]

Me having one and Jim having one is a little different. But it did make me feel better after you called me out of like, yo, just talk the way you talk.

[Fat Joe]

Just talk the way you talk, man. You don't have to put on this professional voice.

[Rory]

And we're back at the top of the week.

[Fat Joe]

It's. It's Rory. They know who you are.

[Rory]

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[Fat Joe]

They're very familiar with your voice and who you are, Rory. It's all good.

[Rory]

We are back specifically with the Parkway Princess herself.

[Mal]

Haha.

[Rory]

I know you wasn't really on your phone this weekend, but. But somebody was outside. Outside?

[Fat Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

She was on the parkway for the first time in her life.

[Mal]

That was not. See, that's why you in my business. Wrong.

[Rory]

Oh, I thought that's what you said on no ig.

[Mal]

I said baby's first parkway. I was with.

[Rory]

But your baby D. No, but it.

[Mal]

Was her first parkway. I've been on the parkway plenty of times.

[Rory]

Oh, okay.

[Mal]

Yeah, I took somebody to the parkway for their first time.

[Rory]

Yeah, he was kind of outside because you was. He was doing something. All right, let me start with this. I'm gonna continue to gripe about this. I'm never sending Damaris anything. Here we go again. Like, here we go. It was a running Jo. No one listening to my album when I sent it. Before this and that, I did a record, an incredible start with Jozzy over this holiday weekend. Sent it over to Damaris because the shit is like, you know, a lesbian love making record. And I felt like she's the audience. So I sent. I went direct to consumer of who would listen to this record, test the product Sunday night.

[Mal]

No answer Sunday night.

[Rory]

Meanwhile, we got out the studio at 2am she was with strippers at 3am You. She could have replied. And you don't think me and Jozy wanted to go see strippers after the studio?

[Mal]

He just made that up. That one stripper is like.

[Rory]

Cuz we were both thinking like, yo, we should go try to do something. We. We walked over the lap that was closed. We was like, damn, we we not doing starless. Like we was trying to find Anything. Meanwhile, Damaris had all the hoes with her.

[Mal]

So I'm supposed to let you know every move I make in New York, but you were running around.

[Rory]

Every move you make, every step you.

[Mal]

Take, you were running around.

[Rory]

Watching you.

[Mal]

You were running around outside looking for things to do and never thought to call me, never thought to hit me and say what you are and what you doing.

[Rory]

Because I thought you were now reformed in a long term relationship and you were at home bringing up.

[Mal]

My relationship has nothing to do with my outfit.

[Rory]

Because usually I figured you was home cooking, cleaning.

[Mal]

Cap. Cap and more Cap.

[Rory]

Not speaking the way women like. The things women in relationships should do.

[Mal]

Cap. Because I told y' all what I was doing when we left the studio on Thursday. I told you exactly what I was doing and when I was doing it. I told you that I had an ad to shoot with South House and Magic Shave and that is what I would be doing on Sunday. Told you that. You don't listen to me. See, now who should be pressing who on who's bad?

[Rory]

I thought. I thought she was shooting ad content. I didn't know she was going to be with Horse.

[Mal]

Watch your mouth.

[Fat Joe]

I was just going to say. That's like the third time.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, watch your mouth.

[Rory]

It's a compliment.

[Fat Joe]

No, you don't.

[Mal]

Cuz you wouldn't call Penny. No, you wouldn't call Penny a horse.

[Rory]

Wait, wait, wait. No, no, I love. What are we talking about? I love Horse.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but the people. The. The women she was with might not take that as a compl.

[Mal]

And they're not.

[Rory]

Not the one she was with. With. They were outside where the were.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, okay.

[Rory]

Yeah. No, not her crew. No, I.

[Fat Joe]

Her. That's what you say. She's with the hoes.

[Rory]

Like, no, her and her crew were with them.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, okay. But the crew is not the hoes. And.

[Rory]

And see, this is why Damaris Cabin. Cuz Damaris told me in text after. I was like, damn, I. I wish I would have hit you. She was like, yeah, no, it was outside. Who was outside? The horse? Who we talking about when we say they was outside?

[Mal]

Beautiful women.

[Fat Joe]

Republicans.

[Mal]

The LGBTQ community. Everybody.

[Fat Joe]

Liberals.

[Mal]

It was Labor Day weekend. Everybody was outside.

[Fat Joe]

Conservatives outside.

[Rory]

So I sent Ameris this record. She doesn't even reply to me.

[Mal]

2:30 or 9 in the morning while I'm at a event.

[Rory]

2:30.

[Mal]

9 in the morning.

[Rory]

Yesterday I sent her the first version. Well, I'm the final version of the off road video, which I also sent to Peach and he gave me A lot of validation that I needed. Because sometimes people, when you really trust their opinion of stuff and they like it, it makes you feel better. And, you know, people are going to be honest with you because I feel like Peach would be like, nah, that ain't it. That made me feel good. Damaris is somebody that. I respect her opinion of things.

[Fat Joe]

Somebody called me asking me like, yo, you had Jazzy on the show? I said, nah. I said, why? It's like, oh, because I see she's. She's with Rory. I was, oh, that probably was in the studio working something.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

He was like, yeah, because Jozzy was talking shit about you. I was like, she was talking shit about me. I was like, wait, Jazzy was Rory.

[Mal]

Never getting his feature down?

[Fat Joe]

That's what I thought. Me and Jonny was cool. She didn't. She. So remember, y' all remember when I brought up, I said, yo, dude, die. Because I've never seen a In the casket, Remember?

[Rory]

Yes, I remember. That was one of the funniest segments ever.

[Fat Joe]

So Jonzy caught wind of that, and I heard she didn't like that. She was saying that I was lame and all of that, like it was just a joke. But then we met at BET weekend. I thought I finally met her.

[Rory]

First of all, I feel like that's probably bad information, because I know it's not valid information. I know her personality.

[Fat Joe]

This person knows Jozzy.

[Rory]

Okay, maybe she had a. Because Josie joked, like, which is cool. She jokes like, she.

[Fat Joe]

Listen, I want to say, like, I was like, oh, words. He was calling me lame. You know, I don't give a. About that. I just thought it was funny because I'm like, damn. Finally met. We talked at BET weekend. You know what I'm saying? She was pretty cool. I thought she was cool.

[Rory]

So you're saying nobody kept the same energy at BET weekend?

[Fat Joe]

Well, apparently we was. We are. Our energy was being checked. And I didn't know, you know, I had no idea. People walking around with the mama the BET weekend. Apparently, I didn't have a cold, didn't have a flu.

[Rory]

BET was brought to you by Nest.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, man. Shout out to Josh.

[Rory]

I'm sure everything is fine. The coolest, most downright.

[Fat Joe]

But now call Jozzy and ask her, has she ever seen in a castle?

[Mal]

I'm sure she has.

[Fat Joe]

I'm sure she hasn't. I told y', all, my friend's dad is a funeral director, and he said, no, we've definitely buried, you know, gay women, but the family doesn't, you know, we dressed them up more effeminate than masculine. I'm like, do they like that in the afterlife? Do they like the fact that y' all put a dress up? Yeah.

[Mal]

Do they like that in the after? Like, crazy.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. Like, I don't think A is gonna be happy if the family, like, buried her in a Dr. Know what I'm saying? It's like, n. Bury me in my Levis like I. I used to usually wear with my, you know, my big.

[Rory]

T shirt and my fitted cap.

[Fat Joe]

Exactly. But, yes, it's all love to J.Y. shout out to J.

[Rory]

But, yeah, with. With all that said I said, then I sent Damaris the off road video. It is now. We're recording this on Wednesday. Damaris has not listened or watched anything that I've said.

[Mal]

That's not true. I came in here ready to give you feedback and sing your praises, but you talk too much.

[Fat Joe]

That's.

[Rory]

It's a podcast.

[Mal]

You ever had a talk himself out of. That's you.

[Rory]

I've probably done that before.

[Mal]

Yeah, I know you have.

[Fat Joe]

Score. Y' all playing paddleball right now. I like this game.

[Rory]

I mean, but here, anytime I feel like I've talked myself out of pussy, I felt okay about it. Like, I needed to get my point across.

[Fat Joe]

Good strike.

[Mal]

I needed to get my point across.

[Fat Joe]

That was a good backhand.

[Mal]

Rory, sometimes you need a point more than you need a nut. That's fine. That's what you chose. But, yeah, it looks very well. It's very well done. I'm very proud of you. But I couldn't even get that out. Cause you came in here attacking me.

[Rory]

And then on top of that, like, when I get my point across and realize that I talk myself out, I can then spin it to show. Like, wait, you thought I was trying to be. That's crazy. I wasn't trying to fuck. I'm about to go home now.

[Mal]

You sent me a dick pic and said, can't wait to nut in you. Yes. You were trying to fuck.

[Fat Joe]

Wait, you had my phone sent you a dick pic? What you just said? I'm so low. I thought y' all was playing pickleball just now. Like, I don't know what just happened. Like, somebody just.

[Rory]

No, I sent her the off road video. Oh, okay.

[Fat Joe]

Okay. I'm like, wait, what?

[Mal]

We were talking hypothetically.

[Fat Joe]

Okay?

[Mal]

Not me literally, him saying he could spin it. Like he wasn't trying to fuck. Well, was so disgusted.

[Rory]

Like, he was about to.

[Fat Joe]

We was about to go. I'm about to say, listen, we. This whole episode's about to be some whole other.

[Rory]

Might have been. Okay. I think it was the follow up message that was a little nuts.

[Mal]

The dick pic was not okay. I think, like, where is the HR department?

[Fat Joe]

But women do that.

[Rory]

Hey, I'm trying to nut inside of you after.

[Fat Joe]

But women do that. Women do. Y' all do that a lot.

[Mal]

Whoopi do.

[Fat Joe]

Okay, so I saw a clip where some. Some girl posted. Yo, she was talking to this guy and after she said something about money, like, you know, some bills or something like that, the guy just stopped texting. He disappeared. She was like, damn, it's whack. Because I was just joking. You wasn't just joking? Like, why y' all like, doing that? I was just joking because you wouldn't have been just joking if he'd have said, what's your zell?

[Mal]

Yeah, I don't say I was. I'm never playing about no money. Ain't funny.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but why do women do that? Like, I was just joking. He. He disappeared. He ghosted me just because I started talking about bills and things like that. Now I was just joking.

[Mal]

But humans do that anyway. Whenever humans get backlash on something they said, then it's suddenly. It's just a joke.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, exactly. That's what said.

[Mal]

That's when you. When not women, humans, when you pussy is just when you stand on what you say.

[Rory]

There is not one woman on earth that would jokingly be like, yo, give me some money.

[Fat Joe]

No, that's not. It's nothing funny about that. It's nothing funny about the first coming up and you look in your account and you at $72 and, and respectfully.

[Rory]

I don't really know if men be joking about trying to. They don't.

[Fat Joe]

How do you joke about that, though? Like, how do. Like, what's the. Like, what's the point?

[Mal]

What's the punchline?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, like, what do you say where it's like. And it don't land. And you're like, no, I was just joking.

[Rory]

Okay. Speaking of, speaking of jazzy, okay, we, we shot some, some content while we was recording as well. We had a camera guy there, whatever. And she, you know, she was giving a passionate speech and she was like, and I'm a gay woman. I was like, wait, wait, what? I just set the session up because I was trying to. Yeah, I was joke joking.

[Fat Joe]

Clearly that's just a joke.

[Rory]

I think she's beautiful, but obviously I know she's not. That wouldn't even be a thing. She's not into men whatsoever. And obviously I wasn't doing that. But I was joking about. Yeah, So I. You know what I think? I think it's just.

[Fat Joe]

But that's a clear joke though.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's a clear joke.

[Fat Joe]

Now, if you made that joke with Tyler, the creator. Either way, however you feel it. However you feel it. I don't know what you want. That's none of my business. Know what you want. I'm just saying, if you made that same joke with a woman that wasn't masculine appearing.

[Rory]

Well, mainly the joke was actually more about like producers setting up sessions because they're trying to. The artist. That's more of what it was about. Like.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, that's a real thing.

[Rory]

I would make that joke with Tyler, the creator. Yes.

[Fat Joe]

You would make that joke with him.

[Rory]

Yeah, cuz he's, he's.

[Fat Joe]

Why would you make that joke with somebody that may or may not be a gay man?

[Rory]

He's discussed being bisexual.

[Mal]

You may or may not be his type.

[Fat Joe]

So are you discussing.

[Rory]

Listen, I know he like redheads. He got a whole album cover that's just a ginger that looks like me.

[Fat Joe]

Okay, that's what's up. Listen, as long as you. I want you to be happy, my brother.

[Rory]

But here's my thing. If I did that and he wasn't joking then, now I'm in a predicament.

[Mal]

Yeah, because now you was teasing. You was playing pussy. And you gotta get fucked if you're gonna play pussy. Get fucked.

[Rory]

At that point, I become the woman and be like, tyler, you need to give me money.

[Fat Joe]

For my pain and suffering.

[Rory]

I have a mortgage payment that is absent right now. You gotta pay a bill, Tyler.

[Mal]

Rory, if you had a pussy, how much you think it'd be worth?

[Fat Joe]

The hmm's funny because you really trying to calculate?

[Rory]

No, I'm just like, all right, in this type of thing, what have I done with the pussy? Why?

[Fat Joe]

And women need to start pricing their pussy based on how it smell. We don't never talk about that.

[Mal]

What the fuck? Okay.

[Rory]

I kind of thought that went without. Wait, they're putting on price on smelly pussies?

[Mal]

Go back, let's take a second.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, just like they put a price on used cars. You'd be like, fam, this car is not worth this. All right, you wanna, you wanna negotiate? We can do that. Like you, you setting the baseline at 5K. This is not a $5,000 car.

[Rory]

And you know those used car places that. That change the mileage on the media? They know how to change the mileage.

[Fat Joe]

It's all of that. So it's like, you. This ain't premium. This ain't a premium package right here. Like, why are you charging premium for this? And this is.

[Rory]

And you know that go to Hondas last forever.

[Fat Joe]

American made cars are such a good car. They last forever. Nah, I don't want no car that lasts forever. Give me one that's gonna break down after a few years.

[Rory]

All right, what is my done?

[Mal]

You know what? I take it back. I take it back. We were off the rails.

[Rory]

Because is it premium? Like. Like, do I got good?

[Mal]

Is your dick good?

[Fat Joe]

That's crazy.

[Rory]

Depends who you ask. How I was feeling that day. There's a sliding scale.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. Like, it depends on how much I like you.

[Rory]

Like, how.

[Fat Joe]

What did you bring out?

[Mal]

Oh, God, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, y' all love that. Y' all like that one, right? Y' all love to use that one. It depends on how comfortable I am.

[Mal]

Like, yeah, Rory be ass naked first date. Like, he be comfortable.

[Fat Joe]

That's fire.

[Rory]

Yeah, he comfortable.

[Fat Joe]

Stupid fire.

[Rory]

That's how. Yeah, we came in the world that way. Like, yeah, you'd be comfortable. I. I mean, Wheezy told my business on whatever podcast. We did horrible together. Actually, that was the best explanation. Wheezy's like, I have two friends that Rory has slept with. One said it was the worst experience she's ever had. One said it was the best she ever had. And I said, that sounds about right for me.

[Mal]

Which one? Most likely lying.

[Fat Joe]

I don't care what no girl say. I'm not the worst experience you ever had.

[Rory]

Well, she.

[Fat Joe]

That's just not. I know. That's just not possible. The worst.

[Rory]

There's some gray area. I don't think I knocked it out.

[Fat Joe]

The worst. I'm not the worst. Saying you the worst is crazy.

[Rory]

That's.

[Fat Joe]

That's kind of the worst.

[Mal]

But are you a believer if she said the best?

[Fat Joe]

No.

[Mal]

Oh, okay.

[Rory]

Yeah. I've never believed I'm that guy.

[Fat Joe]

I'm definitely not the worst, though. Cut the. I'm definitely not the worst guy.

[Rory]

I know I've never believed I was the best, and I've never been of the worst. The worst. I knew why she said it because she's still mad at me to this day.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But I also don't. But I also don't think, like, I knocked it out. Her saying it wasn't great, objectively, I could be cool with, but I know she said it was the worst because she dislikes me.

[Mal]

Yeah, so maybe she dislikes you because it was the worst.

[Rory]

No, it was just a Long story.

[Mal]

This is the long story.

[Rory]

If we had a podcast where we had like a long form content, we could do it. But, like, you know, we, you know.

[Fat Joe]

We got so much to talk about.

[Rory]

You know, Funk flex. Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

It'S so much to talk about that we can't get into that. Really. We can't do that.

[Mal]

Sure. Maybe on Patreon.

[Rory]

And if you, like, if you came, like, was it that bad?

[Fat Joe]

I mean, you let them tell it one day. Come on now.

[Rory]

Because women make a woman come let. Like, there's plenty of times.

[Fat Joe]

But some of them say. But some of them say that they come easy. They give you that one too. Like, just because you made me come don't mean this.

[Rory]

I love those unicorns.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, they were like, yeah, I come soon as they. I'm like, oh, okay. All right. So it wasn't me. That's what they tell you. It wasn't women to take that card out your hand no matter what. It wasn't you.

[Rory]

I just, like, at this age, I prefer the women that, like, know how to make themselves come. Like, they know they have to ride a certain way and they'll. They'll agitate the. Enough to nut.

[Fat Joe]

Agitate the clit. Agitate the shit. This is a.

[Mal]

This is a regular episode.

[Fat Joe]

Like, Labor Day just passed. We back.

[Rory]

It's a holiday weekend.

[Fat Joe]

Yes. Everybody getting back into the flow. Kids is back at school. You know, the women playing with that a little more in the morning now. Empty house. They've been waiting for this. They've been waiting for this. Let's get back to it. Get back to self care, self love.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Mall. Did you do anything over the weekend? The Labor Day weekend?

[Fat Joe]

No, I didn't do nothing, like, important worth talking about. Just saw some friends, family, went to a cookout. That was it. Basic.

[Mal]

What did you eat at the cookout?

[Fat Joe]

What did I eat?

[Mal]

Vegan food I had.

[Fat Joe]

It was like rice and peas salad, you know, like that. Like, that's what I was on. No, no. Like, still no meats or nothing like that. A lot of sides. Good sides.

[Mal]

That's good.

[Rory]

I went. I went to our guy Punch. Not TDE Punch. Punch. DJ Punch.

[Mal]

It's mad punches.

[Fat Joe]

I would never assume that you went anywhere with TDE punch.

[Rory]

Really?

[Fat Joe]

No.

[Rory]

I mean, we've hung out before. Pre. Pre beef.

[Fat Joe]

Okay. You see how that changes everything? That literally changed everything.

[Rory]

I don't think we've spoken.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, I bet you haven't.

[Rory]

You.

[Fat Joe]

I bet you have.

[Rory]

So I went to punch at his. You know, he has his legendary Backyard barbecue pool parties. And it was, it was birthday over the weekend, so I went down there and I, I, I see the hype.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, it was cool. Good times. I see, I see the hype.

[Rory]

I, I mean, I didn't do nothing. I just watched.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Good energy, good energy.

[Rory]

Great energy.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And they was out there.

[Fat Joe]

How was the temperature of the water, the pool? It was good.

[Rory]

Nobody was even looking at that pool.

[Fat Joe]

Okay. Yeah, it's just like a lot of just.

[Rory]

There's like 15 porn stars there.

[Mal]

Oh, why you ain't call me? Why you ain't call me?

[Rory]

Because you was.

[Mal]

Yeah, exactly.

[Rory]

Talking about.

[Fat Joe]

He was doing ad reads. The marriage. All right, let me not do that because I don't want people to think that we on Damaris.

[Rory]

I was not just sitting on.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, I'm just saying, you know, people would take it like that. Like they're making jokes about the marriage. The marriage. Congrats on doing your ass.

[Rory]

Yes. And you know, I think so.

[Fat Joe]

Get that bag. Get that bag, girl. Get that bag.

[Rory]

You know, I fully support.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Do you feel like I was making this like that? I apologize.

[Mal]

No, I was wondering why I'm dead ass. Why you ain't calling me? Why you ain't call me?

[Fat Joe]

Why I gotta call you?

[Rory]

When I go out, you don't call me? It was a last minute thing. And I also did he lives far, like far far.

[Mal]

You have a car?

[Rory]

I just didn't think he was gonna make that trip.

[Fat Joe]

Another pickleball match. Yes.

[Mal]

You could have called me. You called me for everything.

[Rory]

The else Damaris with the back here. All right. If you still lived in Jersey, I would have called you. I was not waiting.

[Fat Joe]

Rory just threw out of bounds.

[Rory]

Yeah, hear me out. Yeah, hear me out. Once I decided once I found out that I was going to be baby free for the afternoon and evening, which was very, very, very last minute. I thought I had a more for the whole weekend. Once I found that out, I was like, all right, bet it's two o'. Clock. This is about like a two hour drive waiting on a holiday weekend for Damaris to get from Brooklyn to Jersey City. It would have been pointless to go.

[Fat Joe]

Okay.

[Rory]

If she still lived in Jersey, I would have just scooped her because that would have been like my road dog with what the type of situation those pool parties are.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So it was really a Brooklyn Jersey thing. That's, that's all it really was.

[Mal]

But okay, cool.

[Rory]

You know, I saw PJ's ex brother in law. Like, I just saw a Lot. A lot of. A lot of friends and family I hadn't seen in a minute.

[Fat Joe]

Peach's ex brother in law.

[Rory]

I said, okay, which he reminded me. I even forgot.

[Fat Joe]

He was like, oh, okay, all right. My bad.

[Rory]

How you been doing? I was like, peach is great.

[Fat Joe]

He's doing great.

[Rory]

And I was like, oh, shit, I forgot about all that. Yeah, so, yeah, no, it was a fun, fun weekend. And I played the corner. I watched the madness happen.

[Fat Joe]

But it's okay. I let you get your lies off. Get your lies off, man.

[Rory]

So I'm dead ass already.

[Mal]

Niggas always say they play the corner and forgot to mention that it was a bad bitch also in the corner with them.

[Fat Joe]

Y' all do the same thing.

[Mal]

Who, me? I don't say I play.

[Fat Joe]

I'm not saying you in particular. I'm saying women.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, we don't say shit. Nah, we was chilling.

[Rory]

It was lit. Had a long drive home.

[Fat Joe]

It was lit. Let's play in the corner. The corner. Be the middle of the party with no shirt on. All right. That was Rory. That was the corner, huh? All right, I got you.

[Rory]

My shirt was on.

[Fat Joe]

Okay. You have a good sweetener shirt. You have a good shirt on. Merch is on.

[Rory]

This is available now.

[Fat Joe]

He is now wearing the karma. Karma release of the Karma of the prosperity. Is it the Prosperity Pack? The Prosperity pack available now. You feeling your karma is beautiful today, Rory. You look great. Good shades. You know what I'm saying? You look like you had a good time this weekend.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, my. My eyes is. I. I see. Dame is now just recording with an eye patch and glasses. I feel like I could do the same thing. Well, my. My eyes can't take this anymore. And I. And I really.

[Fat Joe]

Surgery? You didn't have surgery. You just didn't get no sleep.

[Rory]

No, I got. I got sleep last night. Went to a birthday dinner and went right home. I got sleep. I just. I really need to go to the doctor for adult allergies. Like, they are kicking my ass at 35 that I've never had. Like, I walk outside and tears come out of my eyes.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Something outside I'm allergic to.

[Fat Joe]

And it.

[Rory]

When I get in the lights, it gets worse.

[Fat Joe]

Like, it could be dry as you're starting to start, put drops in your eyes. That's all.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, but I can't do that.

[Fat Joe]

Why?

[Rory]

Visine. I don't know. That's like one thing I. Eye drops I've never been able to do.

[Fat Joe]

What do you mean you can't do it?

[Rory]

I Physically cannot do it.

[Fat Joe]

You can't put drops in your eyes? No. As a grown man. Nope. Is it like you're scared of the drop?

[Rory]

Like you would have to hold my eyelids open. Like it would have to be a force. Like, you know, when they give people the. The feeding tubes of like when they're on hunger strikes. Like, that's what you would.

[Fat Joe]

How do you take a shower? You close your eyes in the shower.

[Rory]

That's not the same as Visine. What do we talk. You wash your eyeballs? Yeah. Like, you wash it.

[Fat Joe]

I don't wash my eyeballs, but like when I'm washing my face.

[Rory]

When you wash your face, you close your eyes under the stream?

[Fat Joe]

Not. Not really. Like my. Ey. I don't close my eyes. Like when you put.

[Rory]

So when you.

[Mal]

Yo, the.

[Rory]

When you exfoliate, you keep your eyes open when you.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, no, because I'm clean. I'm washing my eyes as well. Like, you know, the outside of my. My eyelids same cuz they're closed. But I'm just saying, like when I'm in the shower standing under like the, the. The shower head and the. The water's like hitting my hair. My face not the same. Eyes are not shut closed neither. I'm not looking up at the shower head and like, just do what you want to me.

[Mal]

Sorry, you're looking.

[Rory]

Do what you want to me.

[Fat Joe]

Like, hey, have your way with me. Shower head. Like, no, I'm not doing that. Like, I'm just saying, like, I'm not. My eyes are not shut either, though. Black people, we not shutting our eyes in the shower. It's too much. What if some run up in the crib while I'm in the shower?

[Rory]

I need to.

[Mal]

Oh, you're, you're. You're. You. You're out.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, I'm from a dark place in the Bronx, man. Happens.

[Mal]

Yeah, but you live like way the up in Westchester.

[Fat Joe]

Like, I don't know these still. I don't care that the rent is higher.

[Rory]

This is why I laugh. That mall is a Republican, cuz Republicans don't think black trauma exists. This is a clear example of black trauma. Yeah, black.

[Fat Joe]

Black trauma is real. Absolutely, it's real. Y' all better wake up up. This is Roy trying to put Vizine in his eyes. Yeah, just need some Vizine, man. That's all. You'll be fine.

[Rory]

Because I. When I initially went to the eye doctor to, you know, you have to like renew registrations and license and all that, I was like due up for like 20 years. To go to the eye doctor for that. And they were like, oh, yeah, your eyes, like, are super dry. And I was like, I don't, I can't do the eye drops. They gave me these eye vitamins. They don't work. Like, I need to, I need that. I have to be allergic.

[Fat Joe]

Take that. You take the vitamins and it's supposed to help your eyes.

[Rory]

Yeah, and it's, it's done.

[Fat Joe]

Nothing. You just need some drops, man. You just got dry eyes, that's all.

[Rory]

I just think I'm allergic to the earth.

[Mal]

Oh.

[Fat Joe]

I mean, you're white. I mean, that is a real thing. So.

[Rory]

But anyways, how was the parkway?

[Mal]

Yo, I don't even know how we.

[Rory]

Got on these tangents.

[Fat Joe]

Cool.

[Mal]

Parkway is fine. It's Labor Day. It was a lot of people out there, a little overstimulated, and I planned on being sober because I had been drunk all weekend. Planned on being sober. I could not do the parkway sober. I grabbed Nobody Cracker immediately. I was like, I can't do this.

[Rory]

Us.

[Mal]

But it was cool, you know, I only ran once, but it turns out it was just a dog we were running from.

[Rory]

And yeah, I mean, during the parade, it's always the night before. That's the, the violence. The parade is never violent.

[Mal]

Sometimes.

[Rory]

How's. How's Wyclef look?

[Mal]

He was there.

[Rory]

I mean, he's the mayor.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah. I didn't see. I didn't see the whole parade. I got there at, like, 5, 6 o'. Clock. Y' all don't understand.

[Fat Joe]

I had a very long 5, 6 o'. Clock. Yes, the parade is over.

[Mal]

Nah, it was still going.

[Fat Joe]

No, people are still outside in Brooklyn after five.

[Mal]

No, it was still floats. It was still floats. I was still catching.

[Rory]

Not the official floats. That's just like, the band, like the bands that just keep going.

[Mal]

Oh, okay. Yeah, well, the Haitian bands were. Kept going. Like they were. But they were on a float, so.

[Fat Joe]

But yeah, they just live up the block.

[Rory]

The library.

[Fat Joe]

That's them that live up the block. Like, they weren't supposed to be out there.

[Mal]

Yeah, we, we missed it. I, I. Child, I'm not built to be out. Alex had me at a club. I was at a club. Then I had. I was at another club. And then I went around, went at a party, went to a party. Caught a contact high before my brand event. I didn't know that, like, they were smoking in a place and all the windows and doors were closed. Like it was an indoor party. Was really hot in there. But I thought I was drunk, but I'm like, I only had two drinks. Why do I feel so loopy? No, I was high as and I had to go to the brand event. Like, I was trying to sober up. I took a cold shower. I was drinking ginger tea because I'm like, I don't want these people to meet me, and I'm high. When I didn't smoke. Like, I'm high on accident. It was like, was. It was a lot.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. They'll never be calling you back. It's okay. You walked in there smelling like an ashtray.

[Mal]

No, I went home and showered and did all of that stuff. Like, I smelled good. It was just like, my eyes were, like, so low.

[Rory]

Tell me. Got eye problems like me.

[Fat Joe]

You can't do eye drops.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, but, yeah, Rory's working on his album. Mall is, you know, working on my album. Eating sides and labor sides at Labor Day weekend.

[Fat Joe]

I'm working on my album.

[Mal]

You are? Woohoo.

[Fat Joe]

Just me?

[Mal]

Oh, no, no features.

[Fat Joe]

Not yet, but it's a few people that owe me some favors.

[Mal]

Like who?

[Fat Joe]

I can't. You know, I don't want to put that energy out there, but my album is coming 2026.

[Mal]

2026?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Okay. You think it's gonna, like, like, hit? Like, it do.

[Fat Joe]

I think it's gonna hit?

[Mal]

Yeah. Like, Rory's did well.

[Fat Joe]

Roy's album did great. Are you kidding me?

[Rory]

Rory's look at things change.

[Fat Joe]

We said job didn't do great before, not you. Oh, okay. I said, you're married.

[Rory]

My best friend that I'm staring at across the fucking table.

[Mal]

Yo, are we even really best friends anymore?

[Fat Joe]

Like, do you really round two, pick them or go?

[Mal]

Like, are we even really best friends?

[Rory]

First of all, I felt like we were at the space where we don't need to speak every day, and it's always going to be the same because that's how deep our friendship is.

[Mal]

Bitch is always thinking, till that birthday dinner come around.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, good. Backhand. Damaris, go.

[Rory]

I paid for your last six birthday dinners.

[Fat Joe]

Good overhand.

[Mal]

You just made it like, you see how bitch is going to get out of here? Camera and lie.

[Rory]

But anyway, it was podcasting, yo, this weekend.

[Mal]

A lot of interviews came out, a lot of phone calls came out, which I want to talk about first.

[Fat Joe]

A lot of interviews and phone calls came out when we talked. Came out. Listen, man, you know, I need to start, like, really talking about, like, my inner thoughts more.

[Mal]

Okay, okay.

[Fat Joe]

You know how you have inner thoughts about things and you be like, and then when shit happens, you'll be like, I should have said this two years ago. You ever had those moments where shit happens? And you be like, I knew this was gonna happen two years ago. Well, in particular with the whole thug situation, when he essentially came home and won his trial, because that was a win. I think he was facing life, if I'm correct.

[Rory]

He was.

[Fat Joe]

It was like, oh, shit, shout out to Brian Steele. You know what I mean? Was able to go in there.

[Rory]

Tom served.

[Fat Joe]

Make some things happen. Tom served. He obviously has restrictions. Can't go here, can't go there. But something about that never sat right with me. I was like, this doesn't. I don't think this is the end of this. And lo and behold, now we have these recorded conversations being. We don't want to say leaked. It's not an album. It's not an album. These conversations are being put out.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Fat Joe]

And I always felt like the government was gonna find a way.

[Mal]

Oh, shit.

[Fat Joe]

To say, okay, he won the battle, but we're gonna win the war. We're gonna do whatever we can to completely annihilate his public facing character, his public facing status. And I believe that this is exactly what this is. This is an attack on dismantling Thug's character, dismantling everything that thug stands for. This is not by accident. This is not a leak. This is a planned thing that I feel like the government, they know exactly what they're doing, and they had this plan all along. When they want you, they're gonna get you. We may not have you in prison, we may not have you behind bars, but we're gonna get you. And I think that this is exactly what is happening here. I think that they are purposely putting these audio recordings out because if anybody has anybody incarcerated, the first thing you hear when you answer that phone is this call is being recorded. So you know that this is being recorded. It's not. Who keeps the recording? You don't know? We can guess. Oh, the government has it. The jail system, the correctional facility has it. So now these recordings that they have, if you've ever called from a jail and talked to somebody, anything you spoke about is recorded and saved somewhere. So now what the government is essentially doing is saying, okay, he's not in prison. Let's do whatever we can do to completely disrupt his image, completely dismantle his image. And that's exactly what they're trying to do with these recordings.

[Rory]

Okay? But also, cool, the phone calls, but there's also interrogation stuff there. So, like, you know, when people on reality TV complain like, I was edited this way, this. And then the reply is always like, well, you can't edit what you don't do.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, all right, cool.

[Rory]

Government could be behind anything. But what thug stands for? I don't care that they leaked it. It happened like, no.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. I'm not saying. I'm not saying nothing.

[Rory]

Like, it's not. Like, if it was AI, I'd be like, all right, that's some. Some real.

[Fat Joe]

I'm not saying that none of this didn't happen. It clearly happened. These conversations clearly happen. What I'm saying is when people say, oh, these things are. It's a. They're leaking the conversation. Stop saying these conversations are leaking. These conversations are being put out by the government, by the.

[Rory]

So with Mariah the scientist and Doug, as far as that leaked conversation, and we could probably safely assume that wasn't the government, that was probably somebody that worked at the jail that had it and sold it. Like, that happens a lot, too. How we saw Solange trying to whoop Jay Z's ass was because the security people sold the. Like, I do think there's an element there. And we also know because he. Where was he locked up? Was that a federal case? No, that was with this.

[Fat Joe]

I think that was. No, it was state.

[Rory]

Yeah, so it was state. So he was locked up in the greater Atlanta area. We know cos come from the same exact hoods that the people that are locked up in. I could see a world where all this CEO took the. And sold it to somebody or. Or knew someone that knew gun and was like, yo, he's saying all this about you. I got all this. Like, I can see that. The interrogation one, though, to me, is government. It's not that jail phone calls any.

[Fat Joe]

No, it's not.

[Rory]

CEO sell them shits all the time.

[Fat Joe]

No, they do not. It's not that easy to get those recordings. Okay, Those recordings are not just on a recorder right here in the office where we having lunch at. No, I know that's not where those recordings are located. Those recordings are somewhere where somebody higher up on the chain that works for the correctional facility, that works for the state, they have. They have those recordings. That's not just somebody.

[Rory]

Also lower people that monitor those calls that then have to flag something if criminal activity is being discussed for the higher ups to take care of. If you don't think somebody could sit in that fucking office with their iPhone and play that recording and just like this and get that exact quality of what they have on those I. I do think.

[Fat Joe]

I don't think it's that easy. Okay. No, your lawyers can absolutely obtain your recordings.

[Mal]

Yeah, he says gun is lawyers.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, gunners, you think? I don't think that. I don't think that.

[Rory]

But again, I don't want to act like a Twitter lawyer because I don't know, can I. Once you plea out, why would the lawyer have access to. They weren't even really co defendants after the plea, so how would they have access to those calls?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, I don't think Gunner's lawyers did. Thug's lawyers, I think can get those, you know, but that's. Again, it lets you know when you make a call, this call is being recorded. Yeah, of course. So it's just certain things that you just don't need to be speaking about on, you know, on those calls, on those phones. Because again, you do know that it's being recorded.

[Rory]

But I mean, to me, the. The calls, whether it be with, you know, 21, with other people, like, respectfully, that was more like gossipy I'm bored in jail calls. To me, the. The main leak was the interrogation. The two interrogation ones, like, that's different. That's not a jail phone call. That's an interrogation. Like, to me, that's where this shit is nuts. And I. I don't know, at this point, someone just tell me the street rules, because I don't know anymore.

[Fat Joe]

They all know street.

[Rory]

I'm just. I. I'm not call. I'm a civilian. I'm not calling anyone a rat. I just want to know at this point, what are the updated rules? Listen, because I'm very confused.

[Fat Joe]

People need to understand this. And, and, you know, it just is what it is. The streets and all of that. The rules are cold. No, that shit is only upheld by a very select few. Everybody's not a rat. Everybody's not a snitch. But there are rats and there are snitches. You go through every era from the biggest gangsters. You show me who the biggest gangster was, somewhere in they story, I could point out somebody that ratted. That's just it. That's a part of the snitching is a part of the streets. And people just need to understand that that's a part of it. You know, when you play Mario, it's the little goombas that run around. That's part of the game. You can't play Mario World and not get mushrooms. Like, that's part. That's in the game. You cannot be in the streets and not think that People are not cooperating and not snitching. That is a part of the street rules. There are snitches, which is why when somebody doesn't snitch and doesn't cooperate, they should be saluted to the highest degree. Because we know exactly how many of these people are cooperating. So when you see somebody take their time and take their punishment and stand up to it and don't fold and do that, those are the people you salute. Because again, for one person that's gonna hold it down, there's 100,000 that's gonna cooperate. But people that hold it down and take their sentences, that is very rare. So when people get so surprised when they find out that people cooperated or gave a statement as that, I look at it like, what are we surprised about? That's a part of the game. From. Look at every era, your favorite documentaries, from your favorite gangsters and street figures. Go through all of the documentaries, and I guarantee you, in every documentary, there is somebody that cooperated and took the whole thing down.

[Rory]

Some of your favorites did it.

[Fat Joe]

And they throw parties for these. And all kind of when they come home, I'm like, you know that. Read it right? The one thing that they love to say, he ain't right on me. He ain't rat on me.

[Rory]

He will, then.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but y' all don't understand why I don't like being around this type of. In these games. Because I look at it and I'm like, yo, first of all, I know y' all don't even like each other, number one. Cause I've heard what y' all both said about each other to me. So then when I see y' all doing parties and events and hostings and vacations, I'll be sitting back looking like, maybe I'm the oddball. You know what I'm saying? And I'm cool with that. Maybe. But I'm just like, something ain't right with what's going on out here. And it hasn't been right forever. But it takes. It takes years of being around certain things and seeing certain things to understand like, oh, this is not for me. And that's one reason why it was easy for me to leave that street shit alone. Because I know how I'm going. I know that whatever I do, I'm taking that on the chin. If I get caught up out here and I gotta go to prison, I'm taking out everybody not doing that. So why even put myself in a situation where I'm the only one that's gonna hold it down. I'm not doing it. I'm asking to lose at that point. I'm asking to be the person with the short end of the stick. Because I know if come and say, yo, you facing 15. Give me my 15. I'll see y' all in a minute. That's how I'm. That's how I'm designed. Everybody ain't designed like that. Said 15 years, they put a beat on, I tell you, they gonna start telling no niggas. That ain't even a part of the situation. And it's cool. Come home. Concert sold out. Merch sold out. And I'm saying, views going crazy on YouTube. The support is still there, and they just put some good dudes behind bars. So when you look at that, you're like, all right, so what am I doing? Because I'm never gonna do that. And if that's what you got to do to be accepted out here, then I'd rather just not be a part of it.

[Rory]

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[Fat Joe]

Surprise me.

[Rory]

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[Fat Joe]

Yes, absolutely. Currently.

[Rory]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Rory]

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[Rory]

So with all that said, where do you think this leaves Thug and his perception and his career?

[Fat Joe]

It's tough. It's gonna be very tough. But then again, I don't know. Gunna putting out great music. Barclays, Damaris crying. Yeah, like I, you know, so you can't even say, I think that. I think Thug gonna put out a classic album and sell out a whole tour if you, if we, if we going based on what we see already. I don't think this does. I don't think that this hurts Thug at all. Prove me wrong. I'm willing to be proven wrong though. Well, but I don't think that it does.

[Mal]

Well, do you think? Okay, so I don't think the snitching.

[Fat Joe]

Is cause nobody cares.

[Mal]

I think that's the point.

[Fat Joe]

Y' all don't understand. Nobody gives a fuck.

[Mal]

I think they're starting to be a lik issue, a likability issue. Gunna would never became unlikable people, even when Gunna was, when they locked, when they originally locked Gunna up before he.

[Fat Joe]

He did become unlikable to some, when he said, yes ma'. Am.

[Mal]

Oh yeah, to some, yes. But what I'm saying, what I'm saying is personality wise, even when Gunna was locked up, there were people advocating for him like, hey, he doesn't deserve to be in there because as far as the criminal aspect of this, he's not involved. Gunna never really became unlikable other than the snitching thing as Far as with.

[Fat Joe]

Thug, but that's supposed to be enough.

[Mal]

It is supposed to be enough. But you're missing my point.

[Fat Joe]

There's nothing worse than that other than okay.

[Rory]

But also. Well, I don't think anyone perceived to Damaris's point that Gunna was like that. Like Gunna never really portrayed himself like that. The way Thug listen to Gunna's music. Yes, of course. But it's a little.

[Fat Joe]

What the are y' all talking about?

[Mal]

Everybody raps about being like, yeah, yeah, but that's.

[Rory]

Can we talk about the perception of what Thug like outside his whole career outside of Thug making incredible music. It wasn't even whispers. The perception to fans was like n Thug is like really like that. Like Gunna. No one has thought that. And I mean that respectfully. Like cool, he's gang affiliated, whatever. But that's a rap thing. Nobody was running around saying like Gunna was causing chaos in the city of Atlanta.

[Fat Joe]

That's the part, that's the part I don't like.

[Rory]

Nobody was.

[Fat Joe]

You get to rap about it, you get to, you get to walk like it, you get to talk like it, you get to do all of that. And then when the truth come out, it's nah. But we never really. You know what I'm saying? Nobody thought he was really like. But how he get to talk and walk like that and be affiliated with that and rep that. But then when it comes to stand, having to stand behind that, we not surprised that he didn't.

[Rory]

I don't think Gunna's music has like. Yes, of course he's wrapped about certain violent stuff. But that he's been more.

[Mal]

Yeah, he's not a.

[Fat Joe]

Listen, I don't know.

[Rory]

I don't know.

[Fat Joe]

He's never done his lyrics. But we can act.

[Rory]

I'm sure you can find.

[Fat Joe]

We can act, chat, gbt. I'm. I'm willing to bet everything that on one of Gunna's verses. He definitely said he would never snitch on the guys. I'm willing to bet that.

[Rory]

Oh, oh sure.

[Fat Joe]

I'm willing to bet anything on that. Gunner has said that at some point.

[Mal]

In history my raps and I'm going straight.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but we can't do that and then be with the guys that's really doing that. And then when it comes time to really stand behind that, you said what.

[Rory]

You are not, what I ain't doing. You and I are both tax paying civilians but you are not about to just go tell on all your friends. Like that's not happening. I Know you. You not. You are not gonna do that.

[Fat Joe]

Damaris is a rat, man. Damaris can't. She can't wait with the rat. Damaris ain't doing no jail time.

[Mal]

Y' all think I'm doing the jail for some shit I ain't do. Yeah. That's why I used to tell when I used to date drug dealers don't do no crimes with me in the car. If they pull us over and say, who gun is this? I'm looking at them niggas and say, you know, damn. The fuck? Well, it's not mine.

[Fat Joe]

Well, no, no, that's. That's. That's enough. If it's not your. They supposed to take you.

[Rory]

That.

[Fat Joe]

That goes without saying, like that.

[Rory]

Only. Only DMX kept Keisha in jail. Like, in real life. He would. He would have got that girl out of jail.

[Mal]

I ain't going to jail for nobody. I don't do no crimes. You bugging out. And if you go to jail for avoiding your taxes and the cops start asking me questions, guess what I'm gonna say? I don't know. But if they don't know, you don't.

[Rory]

Know anything about taxes.

[Mal]

I don't know.

[Fat Joe]

You said, no, you wouldn't be lying. You don't know nothing about my taxes. Yeah, you don't know about his taxes. Yeah, you wouldn't be lying. In that case, no, you wouldn't be lying. But you can'. Up there and be like, yeah, nah, they. You know, they be evading taxes. You can't get up there and do that either, though.

[Mal]

But if they ask me and I know I'm not lying to the cops, I'm calling.

[Fat Joe]

I'm not answering the mar. All you got to do is not say nothing. You just don't have. See? You see what I'm saying? But that's. But. But you see how natural that is for you.

[Mal]

I'm just saying, because they was offering eight years if got me in a new Rory and Mal Rico. And they saying eight years.

[Fat Joe]

Nah, nah.

[Mal]

Bugging.

[Fat Joe]

But if it come down to they know that you don't have. They know that you don't have nothing. You had no knowing of it.

[Mal]

But what you.

[Rory]

Well, that's kind of how I feel like the Gunner situation went.

[Mal]

What you need to understand is it don't fucking. Because I have. I. I grew up in Syracuse, and we have a lot of gang violence, and at least three of our gangs have been hit with RICO charges.

[Fat Joe]

That's cause there's no affordable housing.

[Mal]

Probably that's What?

[Fat Joe]

The mayor of Chicago wants us to believe them niggas killing each other. Cause it's no affordable housing. My. Go ahead.

[Rory]

Some of them got driveways, front yards, everything.

[Fat Joe]

My bad.

[Mal]

Go ahead, baby D. So there are people who get caught up in RICO who have done no crimes. I know who got caught up in RICO and did jail time over rap lyrics, but have done no crimes, but they're affiliated with a gang. That is a real thing. When they come to sweep your ass up in a rico, it don't matter if you ain't hold no gun or you wasn't in a car with no.

[Fat Joe]

Gun or nothing like that. But if you repping that set.

[Rory]

Gang.

[Fat Joe]

If you repping that set.

[Rory]

I thought it's gang.

[Fat Joe]

Gang.

[Mal]

Okay, okay. So you can't sit up here and say, well, they're coming to him and they know he didn't really do nothing. They're not really gonna lock him up. Yes, the fuck they will. Really lock his ass up.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, he's part of the gang.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Fat Joe]

So you think if I'm part of the US army and I go to Afghanistan right now, you think they gonna see me in my uniform like. Nah, but he never killed none of Al Qaeda. They see me, they smoking. Me too. I'm part of the gang. That's how it goes. When you put that suit on, when you rep that set, that means you rep everything that comes with that. That's what that's supposed to be. So if that's not you, cool, but don't rep it, though. And that's the problem. You want to rep something while it's cool, while it's safe, but then when they get real and you standing in front of that judge. Oh, yeah. Nah, I don't got nothing to do with that. You don't got nothing to do with that?

[Mal]

I don't got nothing to do with that.

[Fat Joe]

But that's how we kept them off your ass. When you was out here and them wanted to jump you and rob you. That was the homies that front lined that and held you down.

[Mal]

Yeah, but that wasn't just out of love. You was making money off out of love. You was doing that.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, I love you. I'm not gonna let these niggas put hands on you and take this jewelry off your neck.

[Mal]

I'm gonna put hands on me because you're protecting your investment. This is not just out of love. This is not just out of love.

[Fat Joe]

What do you mean, if you my homeboy and you part of the gang? Yeah, I'm not gonna let nothing happen to you.

[Mal]

Okay, well, I don't wanna talk about the.

[Fat Joe]

But if something get ready to happen to you and I bust my gun. You didn't shoot. But if they come and sweep the whole block, what you gon be like? Nah, that was him. What?

[Rory]

But then again with the YSL shit like that's why I think it was a little fucked up the position Gunner was in. Cuz they wisel really wasn't a. A gang was a record label.

[Fat Joe]

Not according to Gunner.

[Rory]

I know with the plea you have to say that so I.

[Fat Joe]

You don't have to say anything.

[Rory]

I hear your point. When you take a plea, you have to. That's the point of taking a plea. You have to say what you're guilty of. I'm saying that technically they were from different gonna claim to be affiliated with Crips. Like they. It wasn't gang. He signed to a record label. Like. Like I get that if I have a midlife crisis at 35 and go come on, be hat like. And then they all get sweeped up in rico. I would be snitching if I said something. I decided to be part of y' all gang if I signed to a record label. No, I ain't part of your gang.

[Fat Joe]

Nah, that's. That's not. That's not how that went. You can't do that. You can't do that. Oh well, first of all, that's where this is. That's where this is. You cannot do that.

[Rory]

Because I think. Think. Rest in peace Irv Gotti. Shout out to Chris Gotti. We had on the pod, both of them tax paying civilians. They were just trying to sweep Prem up in some and then hit them with a fed charge for laundering money. They didn't say a word. They went to court and beat the shit because it was. Of course Chris and Irv were not laundering money for Supreme. They were just using that to try to get them to talk so it could jam Supremo up. That's what they did with this gun. They knew gun was not a criminal. They did that to try to get.

[Fat Joe]

What's the key thing that Chris and Herb didn't do.

[Rory]

They. They were the most standup people ever in that time.

[Fat Joe]

And they didn't do what?

[Rory]

They didn't talk at all. They went to trial and they beat it.

[Fat Joe]

Exactly.

[Rory]

But I'm saying Gunna in that point was in a similar situation and took a plea deal that didn't affect not a single person. And you saying that about Thug? Thug took A plea. Doug is on interrogation. The lines are so blurred with this whole YSL case that I can't look at Gunna and look at Thug and be like, oh, it's a difference here.

[Mal]

And this is why I'm.

[Fat Joe]

Who's saying it's a difference though?

[Rory]

Oh, I thought you were saying.

[Fat Joe]

I didn't say that. I said something I didn't say.

[Mal]

Okay, so this is the conversation that I'm trying to have because I feel like we went off on a team.

[Rory]

We did.

[Mal]

At the end of the day, all of us are tax paying civilians. We don't understand exactly what's going on with these people. Case. We don't fucking know. Bringing back to the likability issue that I think that's that Thug might be facing now as far as mainstream media, the culture, whatever, not street shit, not nothing that has to go with his case. But the things that happened, the things that he might have tweeted while he was in jail, the things that he's tweeted or said when he was out of jail, Gunna's reputation suffered a little, but did not suffer enough to affect his career. Thug has seemingly been picking on Gunna since he got out. He's been saying things about ratting. He's been. And now these leaked phone calls are coming out. He's saying things about Kendrick. He's on the phone with 21 talking. I think that as far as his career, the conversation that we can have as far as where he goes from here or if he can be as successful as Gunna post a lockup is. Do people still like Young Thug?

[Rory]

Yeah. And thank you for getting us back on track because that was the point too of saying Gunna was not viewed that way because it didn't really affect the plea. Didn't affect it because that's not how the public viewed him. And he was able to continue on to everything Demera said. Thug has been viewed a certain way through this whole trial and now it looks a little different than how we viewed him through the entire thing. So yes, likability in that regard is, is there.

[Fat Joe]

That ain't gonna affect him at all.

[Rory]

I, I also see that I don't think anyone cares about sentience.

[Fat Joe]

I'm willing to be proven wrong though. I'm open to being proven wrong.

[Rory]

But I think right now, today, I.

[Mal]

Think, I think, think Thug had a likability issue a little bit before this whole snitching allegation came about.

[Fat Joe]

All he got to do is put out good music. That's all he got to do.

[Rory]

No, I think Thug's likability was at its highest after the. You know, after he beat the case, he just, you know. And again, he was in jail. I'm not saying you got to hit the ground running and put out mad music right away, but he. His likability was at its. Its peak. This, I think, has just shifted everything because just. You don't appear to be the person that we thought you were when we were championing you when you beat the case.

[Fat Joe]

None of this matters is what I'm saying.

[Rory]

People don't care about snitching.

[Fat Joe]

They don't give a. You put out good music. That's all that matters.

[Rory]

Go back to 169 came out. Pull up. Pull up the old potion. When I was trying to explain to you, I said, these kids don't give a.

[Fat Joe]

That's true.

[Rory]

Everyone's arguing me down.

[Fat Joe]

I was arguing you right?

[Rory]

You think these. You think the people that were fans of 6ix9ine give a single fuck about that entire shit?

[Fat Joe]

But that's the problem, though, and that's the problem with. With our culture, with black culture. That's one of the big problems with black culture is shit like that, is that we. We act like these things matter until we put in a position for it to. For it. For us to stand behind it mattering. And then when we don't, it's like, man, nobody care about that.

[Rory]

I mean, but with entertainment, can you put that on a fan? I'm. If I'm just. I only want to use Thug because, again, I. I don't really know everything that is going on. And if he is this. If he's that, who's the fan? If you're a fan of an artist and somebody. If that artist then Stitches, like, that's not that person. I'm a fan because they entertain me. I'm not here for. I'm not in your. Your friend circle. Or I can look at this and think it's wrong, but a young kid that's just a fan of an artist. Like, they just a fan. He doesn't even know about Criminal.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, you're talking about that type of thing as a fan?

[Rory]

No, not you.

[Fat Joe]

I'm saying that's why it's a casual fan.

[Rory]

I think the fans of Six9ine give a about that, for the most part.

[Fat Joe]

No.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

There's some people that supported 6ix9ine that never supported him again. I was one of those people for saying I was one of those people.

[Rory]

That was and it was less. It was less about the snitch. It was more about what he did when he got out with the, like, the Nipsey mural. Like, I just thought he was moving super goofy.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. So it's. It's.

[Rory]

It was. It was.

[Fat Joe]

Depends on who you ask.

[Rory]

It wasn't.

[Fat Joe]

Which fans are you speaking to? Which fans are you asking? For the most part, no. Most fans don't give a.

[Rory]

That's what I like.

[Fat Joe]

But you have some people that look at it like, man, that's crazy. I can never support that. Why? Because I have friends and family that were directly affected by people snitching on them that are directly incarcerated because somebody snitched on them. So, yes, for me, as a fan of some of these people, it's a little different because I seen what that does. I seen what snitching does to people. I've seen the position it puts people in. So, yeah, to me, people do that. Nah, I can't fuck with that. I'll never support that because again, that's something that directly affected my family with people being incarcerated and away from us because somebody snitched. So, yeah, I don't take that lightly.

[Rory]

And it. I fair and agree with you. And to close, I just think the majority. Because hip hop has become the biggest genre in the world, a majority of fans that are driving to work every morning, they got kids, wives, they pay their taxes. They don't care.

[Fat Joe]

No.

[Rory]

Is the music good?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, people don't.

[Rory]

Then. Then it's. That's all. They care.

[Fat Joe]

People don't care. Like, that's why people be.

[Rory]

It doesn't affect that they have their own shit going on in their lives that they're focused on. I just want to be entertained. That's really where people gonna have all.

[Fat Joe]

These think pieces out and all these things upset y'. All. People don't give a. They don't care. Like I said, we watched it with Gunna. No, people, people. Probably the funny is it seems more people supported him after that. That's what's funny about the whole Gunner. It seems like he had more support coming out of that situation.

[Mal]

Well, I think that's because more visibility and it's free advertising. Not all good. Not all advertising is. You know, I mean, there's no such thing as bad press. Basically. Like, that's. That was an amazing. Not amazing, but that was a big platform that he got because of that.

[Rory]

Yeah, everyone couldn't wait to hear from Gunna and the music ended up being great. So everyone's like, oh, this is cool.

[Fat Joe]

I just tell people this. Very simple. You can't be surprised about what people would do for their freedom when you see what they do for money. It's that simple. You watch what people will do for money. That's gonna tell you everything they would do for their freedom.

[Rory]

Fair.

[Fat Joe]

So we got to stop being surprised when things like this happen, because it'd be right there in front of your face. Just look at the moves they make. Look at the things they do. You think that if somebody telling them, you about to do 25 years, you think they're gonna just be like, all right, would you show me my bed? It don't go like that. Not even in the movies do it go like that. They don't even put that in the movies. That don't go like that. That don't go like that. Nah.

[Rory]

Even Denzel didn't wear glasses throughout the entire American gangster shit. When he was facing life. He put on reading glasses.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, he started drawing up plays. He started.

[Rory]

Yeah, he had dumb tax, bro.

[Fat Joe]

Ain't trying to be behind that wall for 20 years, bro. That ain't for everybody now. Salute to the ones.

[Mal]

It's for nobody.

[Fat Joe]

Salute to the ones now. Cause there are some. Like I say all the time, one of my best friends took 16. Could have came home and been with his dying mother in his last days if he would have just cooperated, and he did not. So you talking to somebody that firsthand has seen people take 15 years, 16 years on the chin and keep it moving. So, yes, those people exist, and salute to them the highest salute to them. But we not gonna act like the ones that cooperate don't exist either. And for me, I'm definitely not surprised when none of these niggas don't take that shit on the chin and keep it moving. I'm more surprised when they. When they do somebody snitched. That ain't surprising to me. I'm surprised when they don't snitch. That surprises me now. Like, oh, he kept it real. He took it all away. Salute. Yeah, but when they snitches, it's like, oh, this is another one to add to the list. But the bottom line is nobody gives a. Yeah, well.

[Rory]

And there are still plenty of people that do actually still hold it down.

[Fat Joe]

Absolutely. 100.

[Mal]

Well, how do you. How do you feel about. About the up kind of attacking? Not attacking, but his words on Kendrick not doing features with rappers or certain rappers.

[Rory]

Again, a lot of those calls to me were just bored in jail, just talking like, I Know, that was like the big bombshell. And of course, with Drake and Kendrick and all that type of stuff. But I. I think he just. You've had friends in jails, they just want to talk on the phone. Like, they just want to talk because they're bored and I get it. And they just say shit.

[Fat Joe]

Obviously, it's Kendrick's name. So that was like, the one that people wanted to. Really?

[Rory]

Yeah, I just don't put too much.

[Fat Joe]

He didn't say nothing there. That was surprising to me. Like, no, he's like, why you don't want to do a feature? Like, yeah, like, why wouldn't you want to do a feature with Thug? Like. And then now they go back to the record. That part where I guess Kendrick is talking about Thug asking for a feature. I mean, I don't get it, man. It is what it is. But again, a lot of that is just, you know, I call it jail fatigue. You locked up, you're incarcerated. You gotta talk to somebody. You wanna just talk about anything. I don't really put too much stock in it because again, this is somebody that was incarcerated and was just wanting to talk.

[Mal]

Yeah, well, no, it's not about him saying it, right? It's not some big bombshell that he said it. It's more about how do you. The topic at hand, how do you guys feel about certain rappers just refusing to. Like, a Kendrick who's looked at as an intelligent or intellectual rapper, right? This is what he's looked at, looked at as whether you trying to kick Knowledge.

[Fat Joe]

You kicking Knowledge.

[Mal]

No, I'm just saying, like, how do you feel about rappers like that? Not exactly leaning into working with what people will call the Mumble rappers or the Trap rappers.

[Rory]

I think Kodak is actually a great rapper, but I think people would. Still, some of the Kendrick work won't Mumble rappers.

[Fat Joe]

The beef started with a Mumble rapper, with Future.

[Rory]

Future's not a Mumble rapper.

[Mal]

Future is the.

[Fat Joe]

He might be King Mumble.

[Mal]

He's kind of King Mumble Rap.

[Fat Joe]

What I'm talking about. I don't know what Future be saying.

[Mal]

But Kendrick is the gospel a little bit different. Kendrick has kind of become like the Chris Brown of like, listen, let me. Let me. Oh, let me talk. Let me talk so I can. Let me talk so that I can. When it comes to choruses, right? We all know that Chris Brown is the chorus king of R and B. Future has kind of been.

[Fat Joe]

I don't know if Chris Brown is the chorus king.

[Mal]

R and B, everybody. When. When niggas need a hit, a top R B hit. Niggas throw Chris Brown in the chorus.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, that's just Chris Brown name being on the thing. Like, I don't know if he's the. Has the best hooks, is what I'm saying, but it's Chris Brown a feature. I don't get what Chris Brown is doing on the song that I have. Do whatever the fuck you want, sir. As long as I could put your name on it, I'm cool.

[Mal]

Okay? But it's usually because Chris Brown makes. When he's singing a chorus, it becomes very catchy and people tend to like it. I think, in my opinion, that Future became that at one point for rap. When you want to make a song that doesn't sound too mumbledy. Bumble Dee Rap rap, you put Future, you put Future on it, or you get on a song with Future, and it's a little bit more mainstream. It might still be mumble rap, but it's a little bit more mainstream. Am I off by saying that? Am I crazy by saying that? That.

[Rory]

No. And again, I don't think Future is mumble rap because mumble rap went so far to mumbles that it makes Future sound like Nas. So, yeah, in the beginning, Future may have been the most popular, quote unquote, mumble rapper, but they took those mumbles so goddamn far that Future is the most articulate rapper I've ever heard. Future, I don't hear everything he said.

[Mal]

Out of all of them, Future elevated the most. Right.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, I'm. I'm gonna keep it real with you. I don't know what Future I'm saying half the time now. I don't know what the. But it sound good. It's a vibe. I'm like this floating like is. The cadence is hard. You know what I'm saying? But I don't know what the future be saying. 65 of the time, I might catch the last end of the ball. Oh, okay. I know what he just said there.

[Rory]

Even. Even Thug of one of the greatest melodies ever. I don't. I don't. The. He said before that still, but it's incredible. But I also don't think Thug is a mumble Rap. Yeah, he's. They have Mumble moments, but Doug ain't a mumble rapper in Norse Future.

[Fat Joe]

But I mean, they.

[Rory]

They listen to my collection by Future. Ain't no mumble in there. It's just. It's just John chapter 3:16 throughout that whole.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, yeah, okay.

[Mal]

But to. To bring the point back, right when we said that Kendrick did a feature with a mumble rapper. Right. Which we all know what all of that stuff was about as far as, like, like, hopping on, like, songs. Like how, like, for example, Cole is quicker to hop on certain songs with certain people. That isn't really Kendrick's bag. So do you think that they have an obligation if they're trying to further where hip hop is going? They have an obligation to kind of like, co. Mingle with the people who are hotter in those areas.

[Rory]

Like, I mean, I don't know. Kodak narrated a whole Kendrick album. Like, okay, he's done that. And Kendrick has worked with Rich the Kid. Like, he's worked with people that I get.

[Fat Joe]

Kendrick just didn't want to give Thug a ring. He just didn't want to give Thug a verse. He just wasn't jacking Thug, that's all. And that's fine. And I understand why Thug was on the phone talking like that. Like, why he don't want to do. Give me a feature. Like, you don't want to do no feature on no superstar. Like, I understand what Thugs. How he felt in that moment, too.

[Rory]

Do we have the timeline of when that was, though, though?

[Fat Joe]

No, I mean, we don't. We don't.

[Mal]

No, I don't think they told us.

[Rory]

Because that, to me, would be more key in this entire thing. Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Gonna leak these. If y' all gonna post, put these audio recordings out, at least give us the dates.

[Rory]

I mean, we can assume a lot of these calls may have been pre. Pre beef, but even at that point when Drake was doing the video, when Thug was locked up, and I think. I think there's two Drake records on that Thug album business business. The. The theory that. That Kendrick was plotting for a bit. I can see Kendrick turning down a Thug first and splitting all enemies ahead of time. Like, I. I see. All right. I see Drake and Thug have a crazy relationship. If. If he was plotting the way a lot of the OVO stand pages and everyone says, yeah, I can see him not giving Thug a verse at that time because he was. He was planning what was going to happen next year. I could see it. Or Kendrick was just busy or like, yeah, it could be nothing at the end of the day.

[Fat Joe]

Or Kendrick just didn't want to give him a feature.

[Rory]

That too.

[Fat Joe]

Like, that's. That's. I mean, this is not like, we're not trying to, like, create fire. Like, this is.

[Rory]

No, of course.

[Fat Joe]

It's like, he just didn't want to give Thug a feature. Like, okay.

[Rory]

Or the Doug sent Him, he probably maybe didn't like. Again, I didn't think that was really that. That crazy as far as those calls and everything, but, I mean, I guess while we're. We're here, I hate to admit that I enjoyed. I'm just gonna say it quietly. I enjoyed the Bobby and Drake interview.

[Fat Joe]

You enjoyed what? Say that again.

[Rory]

Huh? I didn't say anything.

[Fat Joe]

Say that.

[Rory]

I didn't say anything.

[Mal]

What was enjoyable about it?

[Fat Joe]

I don't think Punch gonna like that. No, what he said was if you couldn't hear him, he said he enjoyed the Bobby Altoff and Drake.

[Rory]

I was talking about Bobby Brown. It was a separate time.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, different Bobby.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Shout out to Bobby just got his masters back for Don't Be Cruel and.

[Rory]

Oh, did he?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, congrats. That's crazy.

[Fat Joe]

Yes. Hell yeah, Bobby Brown.

[Rory]

Did you watch the Bobby Altoff? I'm sure I'm mispronouncing that and Drake interview or. I see. I don't believe you. I feel like you edited.

[Fat Joe]

No, I didn't. I watched. I watched the clip.

[Mal]

It's funny.

[Fat Joe]

I didn't watch the full. Like, I watched the whole day. I've seen a bunch of clips, though.

[Rory]

It was entertaining. I still stand on.

[Fat Joe]

I'm gonna watch it. I didn't watch it yet, though.

[Rory]

I still stand on wanting to hear from Drake as well as Kendrick as well as Cole. I want to hear from them with black faces. No, not necessarily black people. If all three of them pause, want to sit with me in my white face, I'd be happy to. I'm hitting with the culture.

[Fat Joe]

I'll be all toughest in the culture.

[Rory]

Don't do that. Because. Because Elliot dissed us over the weekend. Everyone called me and said we was beefing.

[Fat Joe]

Elliot, this who.

[Mal]

I saw that.

[Fat Joe]

Elliot did sue me.

[Rory]

Nah, he. I saw whoever tweeted it. Elliot dis me was very misleading in the.

[Fat Joe]

I didn't see it. What do you say?

[Elliot]

All you podcasters and media men, you rappers that turn media men. I'm a radio act. Like y'.

[Mal]

All.

[Elliot]

Y' all are media man. Well, all this you have, you had your dream come true.

[Fat Joe]

True.

[Elliot]

We're all the same motherfuckers. We're the same. Elliot's journalism thing means nothing. Rob Markus means nothing. Jeremy Hex means nothing. Your podcast and your former rapper, you're all media man. I'm a media personality. I'm not a journalist. And I don't want to talk about Cardi's album no more. Because you. You signed up for the gig. The gig is the gig. You barely could talk to artists. They want to know what you think about everything. We're doing the same goddamn thing. You want to call yourself a former. I'm still an artist. I'm a media man. I'm a podcaster, but radio personality. I'm a journalist. Like, we're in the same gang, motherfucker. We're in the same game. My nightmares come true. We're in the same game. We're on the same thing.

[Fat Joe]

Whenever you crash out, you sound like. Same thing. You sound like you just got off the subway.

[Elliot]

So I see the same game, motherfucker. I don't care if you're Mal. I don't care if you're Fat Joe. I'll name names. Your opinion does matter because that's the platform. Your audience wants your opinion on things. You don't conveniently get the driver. I'm not qualified. I'm not a journalist. We have the mics. We're all talking. We're doing the same thing. We're all the same media men.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, because I said I'm not gonna. I don't. I don't feel comfortable talking about Cardi B music because she don't. I don't feel like she makes it for me. But that's real, though. I don't feel comfortable talking about anybody that I know didn't make anything that. I'm not. Their audience, their target audience. That's kind of like.

[Rory]

But his point, that's not me being honest.

[Fat Joe]

I thought that was me being honest.

[Rory]

And real journalist has to speak about everything.

[Fat Joe]

No, they fuck. They don't. That's the problem. No, you don't know. The fuck you don't. No, you don't. Nobody in the world needs to speak on everything. Journalists or not. You do not need to be speaking on everything. And yes, I stand on that. I don't feel comfortable sitting here talking about Cardi B's music because I know she doesn't make music for me. What's wrong with that? I feel like that's being honest and real, unlike some of these other niggas that got mics in their face and just talking. Yeah, I don't feel comfortable talking about Cardi B music, whether I like it or not. Y' all know how I'm coming about Carti. I fuck with Cardi. Big Bronx shit. I want to see her do anything that she put her mind to. I want her to be successful. But I don't feel comfortable sitting here talking about her music and saying, I Don't like it because I know Cardi ain't going in the booth laying down bars with like me and mine. I mean, so you know what I'm saying? So yeah, duh. And her voice, duh, you not supposed to like it. I wasn't, I wasn't spitting these balls for you. So yeah, I don't feel, I don't feel right sitting here saying I don't like a Cardi record. I don't. Because I know she ain't making it for, for me. And so, yeah, shut up, Elliot.

[Rory]

And to me that is what does disprove Elliot's point that he was making. Cuz I think that is a form of journalism of what Maul just did.

[Fat Joe]

Yes, that is a form of journalist. Journalists should be honest if, if integrity. Journalists should have integrity. And don't none of you got more integrity than me.

[Rory]

Cardi is obviously a, a lister in hip hop, so she's going to get brought up and I think you didn't avoid it. It's not like we just stayed quiet about Cardi. Yeah, I just feel like that's a whole statement itself. I'm not talking about this. It ain't for me.

[Fat Joe]

It's not for me. But I love Cardi. Shout out to Cardi. But it's. I don't feel right saying I don't like a Cardi record. Like I ain't supposed to. Like that's like me saying I ain't like Cardi's outfit. She put that on hoping I would like it. Like to me, I look at it the same vein. Like that doesn't. That's not for me.

[Rory]

It's funny too because Drake did bring up, I guess something in that vein with the Bobby interview in regards to him sitting with her rather than certain journalists. The goal is not to be an unattainable for your whole life and only speak to Zane Lowe while he asks you the most curated questions. And I mean complex. Not to say they took Drake misquoted him, but there was more context to what. What he was suggesting. He more or less was saying that artists can also go like Nikki going to Kai. Somebody that is usually does not speak to people is still allowed to go to something that's not this formal thing. And he said no disrespect to Zane Lowe as well. He didn't dis Zayn, but I, I understood what he was saying. But it kind of goes back to our conversation that we've had a million times when it comes to this topic. I think there can Be a balance of both.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Nikki and Kai being a example that Drake brought up. Or even Drake and Bobby, because he's saying that they ushered in the idea of it. I. I just want to balance. As a fan. I'm speaking strictly as a fan. I want to balance.

[Fat Joe]

You don't think there's a balance? Has Drake not sat down with other people before?

[Rory]

No, no, of course. I'm not making this. He was talking about artists. Overall, I think there's been a lack of that with a list artists and a. A good amount of artists, period, that they can just go do the fun thing and avoid everything that people may want to know on the side, but they're also humans. They don't owe us. They don't owe us that. I'm just speaking as.

[Fat Joe]

That's what I was waiting for.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, of course they don't. Does Drake owe me any explanation for anything?

[Fat Joe]

Not you, but I'm saying some people speak as if he does he and he does not.

[Rory]

But. But as a fan of music, I can also say I would love to hear from him with somebody that's going to ask questions and receive answers that I want to know.

[Fat Joe]

That's all.

[Rory]

I think that's fine.

[Fat Joe]

The reason why I never understood why people get upset about shit like this is cause number one, he sat down with people, plenty of people before.

[Rory]

Yeah, but it's different now.

[Fat Joe]

He sat down in a whole barbershop with LeBron and the guys. He sat down with Elliot a couple times, had Elliot in his living room.

[Rory]

Which I thought was.

[Fat Joe]

He sat down with a bunch of people. He sat down with a bunch of time.

[Rory]

But that was at a time we wanted to. That's why that Rap Radar interview was so great. Outside of BDOT and Elliott doing a great job.

[Fat Joe]

So nobody.

[Rory]

It was. He addressed. He addressed the big shit, he addressed the pusher shit. He addressed.

[Fat Joe]

So he addressed the kid shit and all of that. You don't see why now things will be different for Drake and who he decides to sit next to and talk to for sure.

[Rory]

But I'm not trying to make this a Drake thing. I'm going off what Drake was saying about ushering in this idea of all artists kind of going this route to some degree now.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, they don't want to sit down with the same old, same old. They don't want to sit down and have the same curated conversations. They'd rather sit down with somebody that knows them in a different light, has more of a personal connection to them, and they could have a Fun, cool conversation.

[Rory]

What kind? Nikki didn't know each other at all?

[Fat Joe]

Well, no, it was fun. Not that they knew each other, but it was just polar opposite worlds. It was two different.

[Rory]

For sure. Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

So it's like, okay, but he's saying that I made it cool for it not to be the same old formal sit down type of thing where you go and sit down with these people that have, again, these curated questions and these conversations. It's like people don't want to do that all the time.

[Rory]

Yeah, I understand it.

[Fat Joe]

But these same people that they're saying, oh, we want them, they've sat down with these people before and had conversations with them.

[Rory]

But everyone's speaking specifically based off what has happened.

[Fat Joe]

Yes, because everybody wants to hear from Drake now. Everybody wants to ask him about the beef and what happened.

[Rory]

Of course. Get it.

[Fat Joe]

But do people not understand how he would not ever want to sit down with any of you again? For sure. Nobody sees that in this equation, of course. Oh, okay. That's all I'm asking. Like, how do. How are people so surprised again and.

[Rory]

Being completely objective in this? I liked the Kendrick with scissor, but I still want to hear from Kendrick. I want Kendrick to see somebody. Like, I have questions. It's not just him.

[Fat Joe]

You have questions now.

[Rory]

Oh, I have questions.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. Why would. That's not a weird thing for a fan to want.

[Fat Joe]

All I'm saying, I'm not saying it's weird, I'm just saying it's weird for fans to not understand why Drake doesn't want to sit next to none of these people. I mean, that to me, that's weird.

[Mal]

But I don't think fans don't not understand. And also.

[Fat Joe]

No, they don't care.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, they don't care. It's not that they don't understand. And honestly, I'm not. I don't think that the fans are crazy for thinking that. There's a little bit of a dodge of not wanting to talk about certain things. Yes, we want to do more fun interviews. And curated interviews can be boring. This, this, and. But there's also so many different types of creators who have different interview type platforms that before Bobby Altoff became the thing, or honestly before Drake made her the thing. Like there's other people who aren't the traditional people or people that Drake might have felt stabbed him in his back during this beef. Newer, younger people who are, you know what I'm saying, who are doing things that he can also sit with, but who would also ask him questions. They Might not be super curated, but who would also ask him certain questions that I just don't think that he's prepared to answer. So I just don't want. Oh, I just one second. I don't want it to just be. I just one second. I don't want the conversation to just be. Drake is. Just wants to do fun stuff and he also doesn't want to sit with fake niggas. There is also the point of. There's certain shit when it comes to that battle because of the outcome of it and things like that that Drake just doesn't want to talk about. That's okay. But why doesn't he want to talk about it?

[Fat Joe]

Why you say he doesn't want to talk about it?

[Mal]

I'm. What I'm saying is that people are assuming that he doesn't want to talk about it.

[Fat Joe]

Now that's different.

[Mal]

Let me say this.

[Fat Joe]

I don't. People's assumptions and what is. Are two different things.

[Rory]

But you can. You can have a safe assumption that when you just throw small little comments on streams, anytime you do steak, when you talk with Aiden, when you talk with. Because he made little shots in the Bobby too. It's like. It's like the first time you saw Marlo in the Wire and dude had the gun to the head, he said, do it or don't, but I got shit to do. Like either either talk about it or shut up about is I think how a lot of fans feel.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but the fans don't.

[Rory]

And of course it's an entitlement thing, but fans are entitled. I'm an entitled fan sometimes too.

[Fat Joe]

But again, that's a problem though, because on one hand you're entitled. But on the other hand, we know no matter who he sits down with, no matter what questions he asks, no matter what answers he gives, people are still going to have a problem. Sure. So what the fuck is the rustic like, what are we talking.

[Rory]

My name's Rusty Rush.

[Fat Joe]

No, but what does the fans rush to want him to sit down with whoever they want announced?

[Rory]

I said I think he eventually is going to do a real interview with somebody to get to when he wants to. Yeah, no, I think when the album comes, they'll do that when he wants to.

[Fat Joe]

So I don't understand.

[Rory]

I actually like, enjoyed the interview.

[Mal]

I also don't think. I don't. I don't think that. I do think when the album comes that he'll sit and talk about that. I actually don't think.

[Fat Joe]

I think. You don't think he'll ever talk about that.

[Mal]

I don't. I didn't say ever. But I don't think that when the album comes, I don't think he'll talk about it. I could be wrong. I'm not. I do not know. Drake's fine, but I don't think you.

[Fat Joe]

I mean, he doesn't need to, like, he doesn't need to use that as a rollout quote, unquote, like that. Clearly he doesn't need that. But if you don't think that he's going to sit down one day and address. I mean, I think he said it at the end of the thing. Didn't he say, like. Like, we going to get to that. I'm going to. We going to. I'm going to see you guys. Like. So he basically is letting it be known that, oh, we're going to get to that.

[Mal]

I thought that was for the album.

[Rory]

Yeah, I assumed he was.

[Fat Joe]

No, he said, I'm going to see you guys.

[Mal]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

I thought he wasn't talking about through the music.

[Mal]

Whatever. Well, what. Okay, well, what everybody is assuming is that that was a teaser for the album.

[Fat Joe]

He doesn't need to take down. We know the album was coming. No, that was. I'm on tour right now because I think. Didn't Bobby ask him something about why is he doing a US Tour? And he was like, well, I just finished the US Tour when the whole thing started. I was still on tour actually when that thing started, and now I'm on a European tour. Like. Like, but we're gonna do that. He's gonna get back to touring the US like, my thing is, people are just so. He needs to sit down with this person. Why does it matter? He can sit down with whoever y' all want him to sit down with. No matter what he says, I can promise you there's gonna be a million videos uploaded after the interview saying, oh, why didn't he address. Oh, I think he's lying about that. He didn't feel that way about that.

[Mal]

I understand. It doesn't matter, but he's not special in that regard because that's what every celebrity. Every single time a celebrity opens their mouth and they have a certain amount of popularity, anything that they say is going to be either clickbaited or turned around or used for a headline. Like, that's just part of being a celebrity. But I think the conversation that people are having is you're sitting up there talking about certain things with someone that is not of the culture because they don't even know what questions to ask you. And I think that that is the backlash that may be coming from that. Doing an interview with Bobby Altoff is fine. Like, I don't think anybody has a problem with him doing that. It's just you doing your attention is going to Bobby Altoff and Aiden Ross and all of these people who are not of the culture of music that kind of really birthed your career. So I think that that may be what people have an issue with. I don't think it's that he's doing interviews with them. I think that he's only, it's because he's only doing interviews with them when there are plenty of young black creators or, you know what I'm saying? And things like that. Or streamers or things like that.

[Fat Joe]

All right. You strike me as an intelligent woman. Do you think that that's perfect purpose? That's, that's on purpose that he's doing that?

[Mal]

I, I, I don't give my opinion on Drake anymore, but I, I don't give my opinion on Drake anymore, but I do think that. Because I don't.

[Rory]

The same answer you gave with the Cardi shit, I'm stealing that.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Anything I say about Drake will be used against me in a court of law.

[Fat Joe]

But what I will say, what I.

[Mal]

Will say is this. I think that Drake is very, very, very, very, very, very smart. And I think that he likes a certain level of control when it comes to things. And I think if he's not ready to talk about something, it will not be talked about and he will not be asked about it. And I think that that is what is going on.

[Fat Joe]

But that's interesting.

[Mal]

I don't think that there's anything wrong with it, but. Yes, you. Yes. Yeah. To answer your question, yes, that's on purpose. Yes, that's on purpose.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. So, I mean, I just, you know, again, people being upset because he's not sitting down with whoever. I just, I don't remember a time. Again, I'm a little older now. Not once during the whole Pac Biggie beef did I ever say, yo, this nigga Pac need to sit down with this person and talk about this. I don't give a. To hear about none of these. Talk about a rap beef.

[Rory]

Well, okay, don't do that, because the Jay and N. J sat with Angie. You can find that on YouTube.

[Fat Joe]

Who said he, who, who was sitting around saying, yo, Jay gotta sit down with Angie and talk about this? Who's saying that? Nobody even cared about like that.

[Rory]

Well, this is also, like, when it comes to, like, new media outlets at the time, nobody had. Everyone had a.

[Fat Joe]

But I'm saying, even when it was, wasn't nobody waiting.

[Rory]

Anyone wanted. After the ether, nobody wanted to hear from hov, of course.

[Fat Joe]

No, we wanted to hear records, we wanted to hear bars. Nobody was asking for an interview. This. This interview wasn't like is. This is a whole new world with this interview.

[Mal]

This is no interviews.

[Rory]

13 years old.

[Fat Joe]

I cared about what we were doing.

[Rory]

When Jay sat with Angie, of course, Nas, JB, of course, you did happen.

[Fat Joe]

You wasn't at home, McQueen, saying, Jay Z needs to sit down and talk to somebody about this beef. You wasn't saying that when the interview came out because you didn't have.

[Mal]

Because you didn't have to beg for the interviews. You didn't have to beg. You didn't have to say, this needs to happen. This needs to happen because you knew that it would happen.

[Fat Joe]

No, you didn't. It wasn't even a thought. Trust me, I was really out there. I was nothing. Nobody was thinking about an interview.

[Rory]

Wanted to hear raps, okay? Even though you're right, I was not sitting there going, jay needs to talk to Andrew, Angie. But you don't think that HOV thought in his mind with all of the fans that hurt ether and the chatter that was going around the entire country, I need to go sit with Angie.

[Fat Joe]

Because that's what he was thinking.

[Rory]

If it wasn't a thing that people wanted, he wouldn't have done it. He needs to address a bunch of. He was sitting there like, listen, listen.

[Fat Joe]

First of all, he was dissonance through.

[Rory]

The whole thing too. It was perfect.

[Fat Joe]

First of all, the way the thing ended, Jay gave a reason of why he was backing out of the. His mom had stepped to him, didn't like the energy. So it was a whole thing. But nobody, nowhere on no block was saying, yo, I can't wait for the Jay Z interview when he talks about this. I can't wait for the Beanie Siegel or the Jadakiss interview when they talk about that. This is a whole new thing with rap now. You want to hear interviews about himself.

[Mal]

You're talking about what was going on.

[Rory]

You're talking about Jay Z wasn't on stake doing a stream every goddamn night.

[Fat Joe]

Of course he wasn't, because he wasn't in business with a steak.

[Mal]

So number one, first of all, there's multiple things. Number one, like Rory just said, that's what I'm saying. The times have changed and we consume more media and we expect more of out of our celebrities. Right. Whether that's good or bad, whatever. That's one thing. Number two is just because the on the block weren't waiting for the interview does not mean that music wasn't waiting for the interview. But who. So have we figured out what culture is yet?

[Fat Joe]

Me. Yeah, I know exactly what culture is.

[Mal]

Okay, that's convenient because we've asked before. Nobody knew. But people who care about music journalism because that has also always been a thing. Just because it was not your thing. That has also always been a thing. There were people who waited for the interviews that came out in the source who weren't just there for the pretty pictures and the fat and the. The ads. There were people who waited for like that. There were people who really cared about like that. That's how the blog era was beefed. I mean was was born from people who were in love with shit like that. So yes, people did care about those things. No on the block.

[Fat Joe]

No, they interviews always. Yes, interviews are always a thing.

[Rory]

Whether you made the. It was the vibe cover is what popped the whole off. It was media. Was Pac doing an interview?

[Fat Joe]

I'm not saying that interview scrapped one.

[Rory]

Because everyone to hear from Pac.

[Fat Joe]

He said that interviews weren't always a part of culture and music and things like that. Yes, artists have always given interviews. Yes, I understand that. What I'm saying is coming out of a beef with another artist, another rapper. Nobody was asking or saying, yo, this person needs to. This artist needs to sit down and talk about that wasn't a thing until now. And I understand times have changed. What I'm saying is you can't expect an artist to do the things that or sit down with who you want them to sit down with when you want them to sit down with. Especially coming out of the situation that this particular artist is coming out of and not try to understand. Well, damn, I could see why he ain't he doing his own thing and moving how he want to. He don't give a fuck about the culture anymore. Cause he sees what the culture tried to do to him him can people are people not missing that part?

[Mal]

At the end of the day it doesn't matter. Drake is going to do whatever the he wants to do and he has the freedom to do that. He doesn't owe us anything. He's given us so much. He doesn't owe us.

[Fat Joe]

He doesn't want to be culture vulture anymore. So you sit down with a white girl.

[Mal]

Okay. He doesn't have. He doesn't have to. He doesn't have to see how that works.

[Fat Joe]

He doesn't have to be a culture vulture.

[Rory]

Actually funny.

[Fat Joe]

He's tired of being a culture vulture, so he sits down with the white girl.

[Rory]

That's actually pretty funny.

[Fat Joe]

I'm just saying.

[Rory]

No, but it's funny.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, okay. All right.

[Mal]

Okay.

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[Fat Joe]

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[Mal]

Moving forward.

[Fat Joe]

Are we doing.

[Mal]

Are we doing voicemail?

[Rory]

No, we, we. We have to talk about Flex. Like.

[Mal]

Oh yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Hey Flex, what you doing to. Enough, man. What's up over there? I don't like that. That's not no New York shit. Actually that is New York shit he doing. But yeah, that's definitely some New York shit he doing.

[Rory]

I mean I want to start by saying enough. And Camilo, absolute fucking legends. Thank. Thank you for your service and everything.

[Fat Joe]

That you enough family right there.

[Rory]

You have been been nothing but a both of them. A huge part of my entire life in every aspect. Radio, parties, breaking records, mixed it like everything.

[Fat Joe]

I don't think I've ever been to a party uptown that Camila wasn't DJ.

[Rory]

Yeah, like it's like Cheers when he's DJing. It it's the best. But flexing, this wrestling is just getting a little too, too much for me.

[Fat Joe]

When you say wrestling, what do you mean?

[Rory]

Flex has always been very much the. The wrestler type DJ personality. Even not. Did we talk was it Patreon or last episode when it was announced that it was his last show and then we just found out. Nah, you just extending your slot like it's not your Last show. Flex is just getting too old for. For that type of marketing for me, because again, back to the Drake thing. I want to hear from somebody. I listened to Flex's last show and I heard his. His entire story of the Enough thing, and all he did was say a whole bunch of fucking nothing. You didn't dress anything. You did this whole wrestling marketing plan and then gave us absolutely nothing. There's nothing there. I just say that Hot 97 is downsizing and firing everybody. Like they're just merging all the time slots.

[Fat Joe]

Well, Flex obviously has seniority there. He's probably been at hot 97 more than probably the CEO at this. @ this point.

[Rory]

I mean, for sure, it's. Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

So he's had. He had. And if, you know, you know, Flex and Enough have their history for sure over the years, you know, that they're not the best of friends, you know, I guess it's just a work. Kind of work relationship type of thing. Under the Same umbrella with Hot 97. But I mean, is enough wrong for feeling like Flex wanted him out? In my opinion, no, he's not wrong for that.

[Rory]

He's probably right.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, I think. Cause if, you know, Enough, he's not the type of person that's gonna even put that out there unless he feels like there is some credence to what he's feeling.

[Rory]

Enough. Being the great guy that I know, I was shocked he even talked to TMZ when he walked out. Cause he's not that type of dude whatsoever. So, yes, I think in his heart of hearts, he fully believes that Flex was the reason that he was cut. But so is the rest of T tore's out like they're extending. I listen to Ebro in the morning. This morning, all of them didn't even get an email that their show was being extended. Everything changed over there. I don't think Flex is the main person making those calls. But yes, I think he's higher up enough to be like, all right, we'll scrap enough here. If we need to downsize. These are the people I think we should take out if. If you need to meet your nut every month and we can't afford all these salaries. Yeah, these are the people I would say we should clip. So, yeah, I think it's there. But I also don't think Flex bust into an EMIS communication office and was like, let's fire all these people. I think Emma said, we. We don't have money like that anymore. People need to go, Flex, you are on the creative side of this. Who would you cut?

[Fat Joe]

And I think he.

[Rory]

He made some calls, which may have some personal tension behind it for sure. But even again, I listen to Ebro in the morning. Ebro, I'm not putting words in your mouth. I'm just saying how I, I, as a listener of you guys, took your comments about Flex. I don't think he was dissing Flex, but he more or less said Flex will play the corporate game no matter what. And not everyone in the building does that. Whoever the corporate person that is there, Flex will cuddle up under them. I won't use the. The term shucking job because it has a very bad past. But that's what. That's what he was saying. That's what Ebro was saying. Flex has always been that person since the inception of Hot 97, and he will continue to do that no matter who is in charge there, who is doing what, and enough is not that person. Ebro's probably in a good middle ground of that. Like, of course he'll play the game. Everyone plays the game to some degree. But Flex is the, like, the leader of, of. I will do whatever corporate wants for me in this teacher's pet. And I was shocked Ebro was giving it up like that. I give. I give Ebro, Rosenberg, Laura, everyone up there credit because they talked about all the budget cuts, new studios, this and that. Like, they gave it up this morning. They didn't just sit there and be like, yo, it's. It's all good. They. They said it was up and they said they don't even know if we're going to be here. Like, we don't know we're doing because we don't play the game like Flex plays the game. Flex gonna be there forever.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. No, Flex. Yeah, he going. He going. He going to be a Hot 97 for long, long after you and I are gone.

[Rory]

And it's off the record. We're on a podcast, Elliot. We're not journalists. This is off the record that's recorded. I also think there's a big lawsuit coming with already radio, all radio. I think there's a huge lawsuit, and I think it's not directly with some of the firing and downsizing that's happening, but I think there is a very, very big lawsuit coming within the music industry and radio specifically.

[Fat Joe]

Why?

[Rory]

I don't know how much I can say yet. I don't know how much I could.

[Fat Joe]

Say it, why I say it.

[Rory]

I just think that there is some type of way of RICO and money laundering going on with radio. In the music business. That's all I'm saying. All right, so you know the same thing. All right, so you heard this too. I think some shit is going down and I think, Enough. You won't crumble. I think it is a blessing that Enough and Camilo got the out of there. I think this is going down. I don't know if it's going to be this year. Something is afoot this year.

[Fat Joe]

Next year, whenever it will be, something's coming, asses will be on the fire. I will not do that.

[Rory]

Government. Yo, y' all should have kept the Italian mafia going, man. Cuz they took the RICO once. The mafia, they putting RICO on every person.

[Fat Joe]

I'm saying. Yeah, man.

[Rory]

And then when I was hearing about this, I was like, damn, that's a beautiful way to money launder, man. No wonder radio pays out better than streaming, man.

[Fat Joe]

You know, it's just, you know, got to see the book sometime, that's all.

[Rory]

But this is just entertainment purposes. This is off the record. I don't know what the I'm talking about outside the office. Somebody told me this. That was passing by. I know nothing, I promise you. I know nothing about. I'll even take my glasses off for this one. I know nothing about the case.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm just speculating because that's what we do on podcast, cuz we're not journalists and none of this is real. We are just bullshitting. I just hope everybody has been saving their money.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That is all, cuz. This is going to get nuts. But do we have voicemails? You've got mail obviously sponsored by Boost. Like it just a weight of me just leaves off sometimes knowing that I'm not in a rico.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, you sleep good at night.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Some of these lay down and they feel like they're laying on. Laying on sneakers.

[Rory]

Yeah, sometimes. You're not a street dude. I'm a civilian now. But you, you in a.

[Fat Joe]

You in that building though. You.

[Rory]

You might be in a rico, bro.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, you've taken some money that maybe.

[Rory]

You shouldn't have taken.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, yeah, we gonna get to that. Don't worry. We gonna get to it.

[Jada]

Hi guys. I'm the girl who hates her cousin. I'm calling back because. Do I sound young? I'm 26 and I feel like that's young, but also like I think it's old. Cause like fucking health insurance.

[Mal]

But facts.

[Jada]

I just want to say she was awesome. Weirdo shit. And it was over a nigga. So maybe I'm childish, but this shit happened Years ago, and she has never apologized. And the bitch maintained weird during her crash out after I confronted her. So I was talking to a nigga after I graduated high school. So I was like, going away to college, coming back to my town, like, all that type of shit. But I was like, very casually fucking with the nigga. Like, I knew I didn't want to be with this nigga, but I also was like, he's fine as fuck. And I've thought he was fine for ages. So, like, why not? And I also found out he was literally best friends with my cousin that I do fuck with. I'm gonna call her Shan. I found out he was like, best friends with her boyfriend. So I was like, oh, oh, that we going on a two women or whatever the fuck. And so I'm fucking with him. I'm telling Ru. I'mma say, that's the cousin I hate, Ru. I'm telling her intimate details like, oh, yeah, like blah, blah, blah. Like, I think blah, blah, blah, blah and shit like that. And whole time the bitch was like, buying him shit, trying to, like, link up. I'm like, you had your chance with a friend. We matched up three to three. Why are you pushing up on my nigga? So I confronted her, told her she won't shoot. And she never apologized, so I don't like her.

[Mal]

Yo, so I'm always right.

[Fat Joe]

I'm always right, baby.

[Rory]

Can you guys, like, fully remind me of the exact backstory?

[Mal]

It was a girl that hated her. Remember, she hated her cousin. Her. Her family will always put her on the phone with her and she be like, am I wrong? Cuz? I be like, get that girl to off the phone.

[Rory]

Yep.

[Mal]

Yeah, it was over. Ma was right. It was over a. I must not.

[Rory]

Got it like that. Which, I mean, I mean, relax. I know I don't. You don't need to.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

But like, I've never had two women fighting for one buying me. Like, I'm just not that ill. How do. How do you get to the status?

[Mal]

It's not.

[Rory]

Because I'm not even concerned about their cousin relationship. I'm concerned on how this guy got.

[Fat Joe]

To pull that off about with toxic women.

[Rory]

So that's what I need to do.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mal]

No, you just gotta. I mean, get your aura up.

[Fat Joe]

Get your aura up is funny because how do you do that if it's not on?

[Mal]

You will send you. You got to get your aura up. If you don't walking.

[Rory]

You got to buy crystals off girl.

[Fat Joe]

Telling you to get your aura up. Yo, get your Aura up When you.

[Mal]

Walk in the room, do it, like, does it, like, change the energy in the room?

[Rory]

You don't think. You don't think I have that?

[Mal]

I'm asking you what you think about yourself.

[Fat Joe]

It starts with self.

[Rory]

Rory Peach said, depressive energy. I walk in the room and just suck the life out of you. Everyone's feeling like you don't light the.

[Mal]

Room up when you clock in.

[Rory]

I, I think with my friends and family, I, I, I light the room up. If I were to just.

[Fat Joe]

That's because they know you're depressed.

[Rory]

They're trying to light me.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, they're trying to lighten you up.

[Rory]

Yo. Lighten up?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. You walking up like, hi, Rory, how are you today? They don't want to make too much noise, get you. You know what I'm saying? Your sensory going off like, they want to make sure everything's. You know what I mean?

[Rory]

Sensories are very important.

[Fat Joe]

Yes, they are.

[Rory]

And I can be overstimulated very easily.

[Fat Joe]

Yes, they know. Your family knows.

[Rory]

Sometimes I have to do this. Yes, but I think. Nah, I think I, I do. All right. In a room.

[Mal]

Okay, okay.

[Fat Joe]

It starts with self.

[Mal]

Has anybody ever.

[Rory]

But no, it's usually false. Because when I walk in a room. Room, I'm usually the only white person. And I think that's why people are looking. I don't think it's like, yo, you have this good energy. Everyone's, like, just looking like, oh, okay.

[Fat Joe]

Rory, if you walk in a room and you're usually the only white person, that is by choice because we're in America.

[Rory]

No, I know. I'm just saying room experiences that I've had where I think maybe I do have an aura because people look or pay attention. When I walk in a room, I think it's just really my complexion.

[Fat Joe]

Okay. They're probably saying, hey, it's 92 degrees outside. What's that ginger doing here?

[Rory]

Yeah, pretty much. Or is that a police officer?

[Fat Joe]

Is that, Is that a narc?

[Mal]

Have y' all ever seen Rory enter a room?

[Rory]

Somebody know him?

[Mal]

Have you ever seen Rory enter a.

[Fat Joe]

Room, though, like, you don't ever seen. I've known rory for probably 15 years.

[Rory]

Do you pay attention?

[Mal]

Do you pay attention to how he enters the room?

[Fat Joe]

Does he enter the room like Kramer and, and Seinfeld? I don't know.

[Mal]

Rory enters every room. He could be at the front door. Door.

[Rory]

Where are you going?

[Mal]

Into the room like this. Where are you looking at?

[Rory]

What facts?

[Fat Joe]

That. Oh, that's, that's the socially awkward, though yeah, yeah, that's just. That's him being just socially awkward though.

[Rory]

That. That's the energy of. I don't want anyone to see me.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're trying to be like, please don't see me, please.

[Mal]

So then that's why I said like, get your aura up. Like that's not orific.

[Rory]

That's my a. Like. All right, so I should have a fake aura to. To try to attract fake people.

[Mal]

No, I'm just saying if you pretend.

[Rory]

To be somebody else.

[Mal]

So then I attract somebody that speaks walking through the room. I'm not buying him like, you see what I'm saying? Like you don't have buy a energy like you gotta get that type of aura. You asked us and we're telling you.

[Rory]

How Damaris, you know a. A handful of. Of women that I've. I've allegedly ran into. We'll call it dinner. With exchanged energy entangled dinner. What do you tell me every single time when I'm like, I didn't think that girl liked me like that. And what do you say? That girl was absolutely in love with you. I have the greatest aura of all fucking people. Any girl that enters my world is.

[Mal]

Now see, I man.

[Fat Joe]

And it's usually women with daddy issues. He loves those things. He loves those type of women, you know your father. Yeah, not for me.

[Rory]

Nah, don't do that. I mean I'll.

[Fat Joe]

Do you definitely ask women do they love they dad? You love your dad that well, I'm just like, no, I haven't spoken to him in like 15 years.

[Mal]

Ask women about the relationships with their father.

[Rory]

Of course.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Rory]

All my long term relationships.

[Fat Joe]

Well, with their family. I don't just say you had a relationship with their father. Say with your family, like, what's your relationship with your family like? Soon as they get to saying, yeah, you know, I don't really. My. My mom ain't cool. Your mom not cool. Why? I just don't with that. Whoa, check. You refer to your mom as a. I gotta go. No, I don't want no part of a woman to refer to her mom as a.

[Rory]

All exceptions to the rule. But that can be misleading sometimes because I've definitely dealt with women that have both. Both their parents are still married, still in love.

[Fat Joe]

Great, healthy relationships. Yeah.

[Rory]

And they still.

[Fat Joe]

Oh yeah, yeah. Those are the ones. Their uncle molested them. You got to ask them about their uncles.

[Mal]

Oh my God. Relationship with their uncles.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, she usually uncle or cousin. My bad. What happened?

[Mal]

No, I also think that women who have both parents in their lives, especially like daddy's girls. I also think. I think daddy's girls be terrible people. Like, as a terrible person. That's a daddy's girl. Like, I think they. We be terrible people as far as what. Because I think there's a little bit of entitlement. It's like. Like the insecurities that come with certain things we don't have. And I think sometimes insecurities might make you a little bit better of a person or, like, at least better of a girlfriend, because it's just kind of like. Like, I know I'm good without you regardless. And it makes me not stand for, like, certain shit. Like, if I'm around, it's because I want to be a around. Like, I don't need you to, like.

[Fat Joe]

Be the case, though.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah. Like, I don't need you to validate.

[Fat Joe]

Should only be around somebody because you want to be around, not because you need to be around. Like.

[Mal]

Yeah, but that's.

[Rory]

But even in that way, it's. There is some entitlement of where you feel like, you don't need to work in this relationship because you don't need this relationship. Like, work should always be with your partner. Yeah, but. Yeah, a lot of daddy's girls will be like, well, my. My dad will take care of everything. No matter what in my life, my dad will take care of everything. And it's like, that's not. Not. You're not in a relationship with your pops.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but I could teach her things that a daddy can't teach her, though. You see what I'm saying? You feel me?

[Rory]

Maybe her uncle told me.

[Fat Joe]

I'm just saying I'm not horny at all. My shit is small right now. I'm not horny at all.

[Rory]

His aura is very dim.

[Fat Joe]

I'm not horny at all, baby, at all. You know what I'm saying? I'm chilling. I'm just saying, like, you know when they get. When. When daddy's girls get to talking like that, it's like, yeah, but. But our relationship and your dad's relationship is two totally different relationships. I love the fact that you're a daddy's girl. Cause you know certain shit you ain't going for from men. I respect that. But you also gotta understand that our dynamic is totally different, though. That's all. I love when women have great relationships with their dads. Well, with their family, period. But when they have great relationships with their dad because they. Yes, they're not gonna stick around for bullshit. But why would I even Be presenting bullshit. You get what I'm saying? Like so it's like, yeah, I love the fact that you. But when you're a daddy's girl, you have certain things that you do. Like you know how to cater and make sure that the man of the house is comfortable. You understand what I'm saying? Like that's what daddy's girls are. They know how to make a house a home.

[Rory]

Nah, nah, them chicks ain't shit.

[Mal]

That be them sing. No, the girls with the single mom girls, they be the ones that cater.

[Fat Joe]

To her daddy's girls. They know how to make a house a home. They understand because they watch their mom cater to their dad and make their dad love on their dad.

[Mal]

Not exactly. Because you could be a daddy's girl. Your parents like my parents broke up when I was 14. I'm still a daddy's girl. Like my parents didn't have to stay together for me to. Like if you're, if you're in a.

[Fat Joe]

Relationship with a man, are you catering to him in the house?

[Mal]

Yes, but it has nothing to do with my dad. That has everything to do with my mom. But you see what I'm saying, like that has like that has nothing to do with my dad. That's just the way that the women in my family were. They were very male centered. So growing up it was about everything was about making men comfortable. My father, what a household was. My father was a terrible person. And, and, and helped me become a terrible person. Like that's why I was saying some daddy's girls be terrible.

[Fat Joe]

Your dad helped you become a terrible person.

[Mal]

Yeah. When it comes to certain things, when it comes to certain things in relationships, it's kind of like. Yeah, it's kind of like there's a, there's an ego thing. There's a, there's an ego thing of you're the greatest thing that's ever happened to me. So therefore you're the greatest thing that's ever happened to the world.

[Fat Joe]

World.

[Mal]

And then you go out into world, the world and you act like that, which is something that I'm working on. But you go out into the world and you act like that.

[Fat Joe]

And men are like, you are gift to the world.

[Mal]

Oh, I know I am. Yeah, I'll give to you too.

[Rory]

That's a fact.

[Mal]

And every other that comes into my life. But there has to be a certain range. You think I'm gift to you when you're in a relationship?

[Fat Joe]

You think that is it? Do you think that it's a blessing to Be sitting across from me.

[Rory]

Well, clearly, I found out my aura is awful, so I don't think she thinks that about me.

[Mal]

I don't like the way Mob, like, posed that. Like, it's a blessing to be sitting.

[Fat Joe]

Across from you, because I feel like it's a blessing to be sitting across from me.

[Mal]

Do you really believe that?

[Fat Joe]

Because, you know, I don't fuck with nobody.

[Rory]

And at the end of the day, Peej is the biggest blessing to everybody in this room.

[Mal]

PE's only unfiable nigga. I be telling people that all the time. Anyway, we gonna wrap this up, P.

[Rory]

Just taking us to the top. In every business I've been in, we.

[Mal]

We all love each other. We love you all. We're all a blessing to each other.

[Fat Joe]

Jada. I tried to tell him that that was the situation. Glad you called back and made that very clear. Clear. That was her name, right? Jada. I believe that's her name. Jada. Yes. To close Jada's call.

[Rory]

Yeah, but I mean. Yeah, you shouldn't going from kissing cousins to trying to the same guy.

[Fat Joe]

That. That don't work.

[Rory]

Yeah, I don't.

[Mal]

I don't think she said that.

[Rory]

That's what I.

[Fat Joe]

That's what he.

[Rory]

That's what I took from the interview.

[Mal]

Well, he's. That's what. That's.

[Fat Joe]

Y', all. You see why Drake don't want to do interviews no matter what he.

[Rory]

You don't think Drake got a kissing cousin?

[Fat Joe]

Oh, I don't know. I'm not speaking on that.

[Rory]

You. You ever find out a girl's not really your cousin?

[Fat Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

And then your whole brain chemistry changes.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Mal]

Y' all are gross.

[Fat Joe]

But it's never gone far. It's like. Well, I've obviously phone number, but I. Didn't I tell you about that. I exchanged numbers with a girl I met the day before my family reunion. Found out she was like a cousin, like a distant cousin. I was like, oh, that's. That. That's as far as it's ever going. It's never gotten physical.

[Rory]

And. And obviously I've never done that because all my cousins that I thought were my cousins that weren't my cousins are white. So, like, it wasn't gonna go anywhere.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, you can tell. You can tell. You're tr.

[Rory]

But I did be like, oh, yeah, she kind of pretty.

[Fat Joe]

Now, see, contrary to your belief, Rory, all black people don't look alike. All white people look alike.

[Rory]

Nah, I think all black people.

[Fat Joe]

You look just like Canelo.

[Rory]

He's Mexican. See, See?

[Mal]

Jesus Christ.

[Fat Joe]

Look. Look how you look like people that ain't even from your tribe.

[Rory]

You want me to give the back the history of that? Because I can give you the history.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. The ship just stopped somewhere. That's what I mean. The ship. The ship just made a stop, Rory. I know. I know how that go. I know exactly how that go. Yeah, somebody had to cook on the boat. Right?

[Rory]

For sure. It's the reason why there's a lot of Irish people in the West. Are you putting the camera on Damaris?

[Mal]

I've been doing this for five minutes.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, man. All right, man, let's get out of here. We'll talk to y' all soon. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that. He's just ginger. Peace.

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[Mal]

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