New Rory & MAL – Episode 404 | "Flip The Menu Over"
Release Date: September 11, 2025
Hosts: Rory, Maul (Mal), Damaris
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume
Episode Overview
Episode 404 brings classic "New Rory & Mal" energy: irreverent humor, random hot takes, and a no-filter exploration of viral stories. The crew navigates everything from social media rumors and the music industry's payola scandals to discussions about pop culture legends, sex work, and formative childhood experiences with food. The title, "Flip The Menu Over," nods to a wild Charlie Sheen interview discussed in-depth, turning a new page in taboo honesty. The episode interweaves laughter, real talk, and outlandish debates, keeping listeners engaged from start to finish.
Key Discussion Points
1. Celebrating Creative Projects and Video Shoots
[03:02–05:22]
- Rory and Maul shout out Raven, director of the "Off Road" video featuring Masego and Freddie Gibbs, poking fun at her illustrious résumé.
- Behind-the-scenes stories: Rory recounts the struggle of falling into a pool in expensive corduroys during the shoot.
- Jess from VanJess (credited as “very talent, not just a model”) gets her flowers for stepping up with a rap verse.
- Quote:
- “Don’t get pushed in a pool with expensive corduroys on… they will bring you down and you will drown.” – Rory [03:56]
2. Boost Mobile and Juicy Couture Antics
[05:22–06:23]
- The team jokes about their over-the-top sponsor plugs for Boost Mobile.
- Rory and Maul notice Damaris’ Juicy Couture outfit, sparking a nostalgic riff on velour tracksuits.
- “Everything's juice today!” – Damaris [05:54]
- Lighthearted banter about the customized lighting on set.
3. Twitter Drama: Rory and the N-Word Rumor
[07:00–11:11]
- Rory recounts discovering he was "getting smoked" on Twitter for supposedly saying the N-word on a previous episode.
- Maul claims vindication:
- "Rory definitely says the N-word. Why won't anybody listen to me?" – Maul [07:41]
- They analyze the clip in question, deciding it’s a misheard moment, with Damaris noting it "does sound like he said it" but clarifying he didn't.
- Rory describes years of internet sleuths trying to catch him slipping:
- “They have been trying to get me for 10 years… sometimes it'd be somebody in the background saying it and my mouth is closed—‘See! Rory said it!’” – Rory [07:50]
- Transition to a larger conversation about online outrage and attempts at "cancellation."
4. Sean King, Social Media, and Appropriating Causes
[11:34–13:51]
- Brief debate about activist Shaun King's social presence and his conversion to Islam.
- Jokes about the optics of shifting religious or activist identities for online clout.
- “That’s where the algorithm’s at now: I’m Muslim.” – Rory [12:36]
5. The Radio RICO/Payola Scandal
[15:08–27:41]
One of the meatiest segments centers on industry corruption:
- Payola & “Radio RICO” – Rory and Maul dive deep into the (fictionalized) unfolding of a RICO investigation involving major radio conglomerates and record labels laundering money via payola schemes.
- Definitions and distinctions:
- “Payola is when companies or people will pay DJs or radio executives...so that someone can play a record.” – Rory [16:30]
- “The bigger part... is the money laundering portion...” – Rory [17:26]
- Rory jokes he “may end up being in this case as well” since “all our opinions up here are bought.” [15:48]
- They discuss the cyclical nature of music industry scandals—the “fall guy” mentality, federal motivations (“the Feds are bored and just running wild with RICO”), and how moves like Drake’s lawsuit force increased transparency.
- Notable Moment:
- “They’ll find a fall guy and everything will be business as usual. And they’ll find a new way to do it.” – Rory [19:12]
- “These aren’t criminals. These are fucking DJs and radio personalities.” – Rory [35:28]
6. Debating RICO Law’s Overreach & Misapplication
[21:06–24:20]
- Philosophical argument about RICO's structure, overbroad application (using mafia and gang analogies), and calls for reform.
- “There needs to be regulation on RICO.” – Rory [21:48]
- Damaris counters that community leaders create environments enabling harmful behavior.
7. Integrity and Snitching in the Music Business
[35:33–38:31]
- Discussing allegations (and rumors) of Funk Flex cooperating with feds.
- Question the ethics of cleaning up radio via informing, drawing a line between maintaining “integrity” and “snitching.”
- “If you’re working with the federal government to clean up something that I feel has destroyed radio…I don’t think that Flex is wrong.” – Rory [37:20]
- “I understand it, but I don’t respect it.” – Maul [38:31]
8. Sex Work, Ego, and the Economics of Relationships
[44:26–47:58]
- Maul and Rory reflect on the notion of paying for sex—Maul admits he “physically can’t pay,” while Rory describes needing to believe women “like” him for real.
- “I’m not above it…I just have to think you like me when we’re having sex.” – Rory [45:07]
- Damaris breaks down the transactional aspects from the sex worker's perspective, noting men often "talk themselves out of free pussy" by turning it into a business transaction.
Stripping, Payola, and the "Economics of Attraction"
[47:08–48:35]
- Lively debate: Is throwing money at a strip club or on club DJs a form of payola or paying for sex "indirectly"?
- “If you wouldn’t have gotten that pussy if you wasn’t throwing that money in the strip club…” – Damaris [48:05]
- They compare the gray areas of gift-giving, dinner dates, and attraction.
9. Legendary Performers – Dance, Choreography & Influence
[49:04–56:39]
- Chris Brown’s humility on IG, Michael Jackson, Beyoncé, and Usher compared.
- Hosts argue Chris is a superior dancer but Michael (and Beyoncé) take the crown for iconic choreography.
- “Chris Brown is a better dancer than Michael Jackson.” – Maul [50:07]
- “As far as iconic choreography, I think Michael and Beyoncé are over here…” – Rory [51:43]
- Damaris: Simpler dances go viral (“Single Ladies”), while Chris and Usher’s are harder for the masses.
Choreographers’ Recognition and Legacy
- Rory notes choreographers rarely get industry props, and Damaris highlights key figures like Sean Bankhead (Cardi B, Victoria Monét).
10. Animated Childhood: Toy Story, Pixar, and Classic Movies
[60:06–63:11]
- The group reminisces about the impact of Toy Story on their own kids and themselves and marvels at Pixar’s legacy.
- "The fact that that was made in 1995 is insane." – Rory [61:31]
The Oscars: Losing Out to Blockbusters
- Briefly, the crew laughs about actors missing out on awards due to timing; Tom Hanks “losing” the Oscar to Russell Crowe in Gladiator.
11. The Viral Charlie Sheen Interview: Sex, Drugs, and "Flipping the Menu Over"
[71:56–78:44]
- Reactions to Charlie Sheen's openly discussing his bisexual experiences while high ("flipping the menu over"):
- "'Crack is what started it. That's where it was born…' — Charlie Sheen, Good Morning America" [73:10]
- “He calls it flipping the menu over, having gay sex.” – Maul [73:23]
- Heated debate: Can drugs like crack make you "do things you never imagined" (including gay sex)? Maul and Damaris say no—drugs only unlock what's already within you.
- “There’s no drug that can prepare you to hit your knees and suck dick.” – Damaris [75:07]
- “I’d kill this whole room before I sucked a dick.” – Maul [76:16]
- Rory admits: “If there was a firing squad…the only way to save the four of y’all was for me to suck a dick, I would probably do it.” [78:18]
12. Voicemail: Relationships, Trickin', and Respect
[80:28–84:42]
- Caller asks why men who financially support women get treated with less “reverence”. Damaris shreds the idea that monetary gifts guarantee respect.
- “Just because you’re paying for things…doesn't mean you’re a good partner.” – Damaris [81:57]
- Rory: "He sounds like he was just tricking and once he stopped tricking, she ain't want him." [82:30]
13. Growing Up Broke: Sugar Sandwiches and School Lunches
[84:42–92:13]
- Conversation veers into nostalgia about creative “poverty meals” like sugar sandwiches.
- Reflections on government assistance, the stigma of food stamps and EBT, and the classic American school cafeteria experience (powdered eggs, “turkey surprise,” and bad personal pizzas).
- “Who’s eating tater tots and chocolate milk at 8 in the morning?” – Maul [89:27]
Memorable Quotes
- “Don’t get pushed in a pool with expensive corduroys on.” – Rory [03:56]
- “Rory definitely says the N-word. Why won’t anybody listen to me?” – Maul [07:41]
- “They’ll find a fall guy and everything will be business as usual.” – Rory on music industry scandals [19:12]
- “I think you hoes have more integrity than all of us, the whole business.” – Rory, on integrity in various industries [44:04]
- “There’s no drug that can prepare you to hit your knees and suck dick.” – Damaris [75:07]
- “I’d kill this whole room before I sucked a dick.” – Maul [76:16]
- “If there was a firing squad…the only way to save the four of y’all was for me to suck a dick, I would probably do it.” – Rory [78:18]
- “Who’s eating tater tots and chocolate milk at 8 in the morning?” – Maul [89:27]
Timestamps for Key Segments
- 03:02 – Shout-out to Raven & Music Video Behind-the-Scenes
- 05:22 – Boost Mobile & Juicy Couture Jokes
- 07:00 – The N-Word Controversy, Online Outrage
- 11:34 – Social Media Activism & Shaun King
- 15:08 – Radio RICO, Payola & Music Industry Scandal
- 21:06 – RICO Law Discussion
- 35:33 – Music Industry Integrity, Snitching Dynamics
- 44:26 – Sex Work, Ego, and Money in Relationships
- 49:04 – Legendary Dancers, Choreography, and Chris Brown Discourse
- 60:06 – Movie Nostalgia, Toy Story, and Pixar’s Legacy
- 71:56 – The Charlie Sheen Viral Interview
- 80:28 – Voicemail Segment: Relationships & Transactions
- 84:42 – Poverty Meals & Public School Lunch Memories
Tone & Language
The tone is unapologetically candid, comedic, and sometimes raunchy, with plenty of streetwise banter and sharp cultural commentary. The chemistry among the hosts shines, and even heated debates remain underpinned by humor and mutual respect.
For Listeners Who Missed It
This episode is a quintessential slice of "New Rory & Mal": a rollercoaster of hip-hop industry news, playful arguments, pop culture deep-dives, wild hypotheticals, and real talk about money, sex, and growing up broke. If you love honest, unfiltered conversation and don’t mind a few controversial tangents, Episode 404 is not to be missed.