Episode 429 | DebateCast Greatest Peaks

Summary

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New Rory & MAL – Episode 429 | DebateCast Greatest Peaks

Release Date: December 4, 2025
Hosts: Rory, Mal, Baby D
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

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Episode Overview

Episode 429 of New Rory & MAL dives deep into the idea of the "greatest peak" in music careers. The crew debates whether it's better to have a massive but short-lived period of dominance, or a long, steady run in the industry. Through fun, nostalgia, and classic back-and-forths, they touch on rap, R&B, pop culture, and generational shifts in music fandom. The conversation is part love letter to past icons, part playful roast of today's youth, and part serious debate over what constitutes true greatness.

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Key Segments & Timestamps

• Opening Banter & Celebrity Birthdays (03:10 – 14:00)
• Boy Band Debate & Nostalgia (14:01 – 22:40)
• Music Fandom Through the Generations (21:10 – 28:00)
• Core Debate: Greatest Peaks in Hip-Hop (31:23 – 49:03)
• Legacy, Longevity & Generational Memory (49:08 – 63:41)
• Three-Album Runs & “Timeless” Albums (69:44 – 83:10)
• Would You Rather: Brief Peak vs. Long Burn (Fetty Wap vs. Freddie Gibbs) (89:21 – 93:39)
• Generational Music Knowledge & Parental Influence (93:40 – 97:28)

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

The Nostalgia Figure: Celebrity Birthdays & Nostalgic Ephemera

• The crew starts with a playful fact-checking session about celebrity birthdays, trading quips over which famous people share their birthday and joking about personality energy linked to birth time.
• Conversation spirals into childhood nostalgia: posters on the wall, lava lamps, and differences between having a band poster in a locker vs. on a ceiling.
  “My dad had hooks in my ceiling…so the poster, like, I had a Bow Wow poster…and multiple of the B2K guys, and they were, like, hanging down, so it was like…from the rafters almost in my bedroom.” – Rory (18:43)

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Boy Bands: NSYNC vs. Backstreet Boys

• The hosts compare NSYNC and Backstreet Boys, noting success, popularity, and the “peak” factor.
• They joke about who is "more gay" (ribbing each other about Lance Bass), and tap Josh for a ranking of NSYNC members.
• Fun Moment:
  “The Backstreet Boys did get off the line ‘Am I sexual?’ and then all his homeboys backed him up and said, ‘Yeah.’” – Mall (17:59)
• Final consensus: NSYNC had the better cultural peak, but Backstreet Boys sold more records.

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What Makes the ‘Peak’?

• The core debate kicks in as they define "peak" – usually a two- to three-year period when an artist is absolutely unavoidable in culture and charts.
  “If you have three great years, in a row, like you're cemented somewhere in history.” – Baby D (04:11)
• They agree that to have a true peak, you must have a subsequent “fall-off"—which excludes artists like Jay-Z and Drake, who’ve been consistently dominant.
• They identify Nelly, 50 Cent, Eminem, and Lil Wayne as prime subjects:
  • Nelly (2000-2003): Every award show, charts, and huge MTV/TRL presence.
  • 50 Cent (2003-2005): Get Rich or Die Tryin’, massive record sales, domination in “music, fashion, mixtapes, radio, street culture.”
    • “Could you escape anything G-Unit? Like, anything 50 did in those years went platinum.” – Mall (34:03)
  • Eminem (2000-2004): Marshall Mathers LP, Eminem Show, global mainstream success.
    • “M would be considered the biggest global impact peak...He’s easily number one.” – Rory (44:47)
  • Lil Wayne (2007-2009/2011): Features, mixtapes, and influence on a generation of rappers (“the biggest cultural peak” per ChatGPT).

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Charting Peaks: Data vs. Culture

• The group weighs sales, cultural impact, and influence. They highlight 50 Cent’s explosive but relatively brief burst as the "highest spike," with Eminem as the widest-reaching and Lil Wayne as the most culturally influential.
• For Nelly:
  • “That three years of 2000-2003, without a doubt, Nelly had one of the greatest rap peaks of all time.” – Baby D (46:19)
• They debate how modern kids don’t recognize Nelly on sight, whereas artists like Wayne and 50 are more recognizable today either because of legacy or continued presence.

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Debating Generational Memory & the Internet

• Conversation turns philosophical as they wonder why young people don’t seem to know past icons. They partially blame algorithms and the abundance of choice today:
  • “Now there’s hundreds of them…if somebody’s not in your algorithm, which we say all the time, if this ain’t in my algorithm, I didn’t even know they dropped something.” – Rory (52:48)
• Parental influence is also noted:
  • “Why I know a lot of the artists before my time is because my parents were listening to them.” – Mall (53:40)

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Three-Album Runs: Who Did It Best?

• The conversation expands into which artists had the best three-album runs (first to third album, no cherry-picking).
  • Michael Jackson: Off the Wall, Thriller, Bad
  • Usher: My Way, 8701, Confessions
  • Eminem: Slim Shady LP, Marshall Mathers LP, Eminem Show
  • Kanye West: College Dropout, Late Registration, Graduation
  • Outkast: Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik, ATLiens, Aquemini
  • Mary J. Blige: What’s the 411?, My Life, Share My World
  • Drake (if not required to be first three): Take Care, Nothing Was the Same, Views
• Kanye’s run gets heavy praise:
  “Probably takes the two-category for me as far as that goes. But then again, Slim Shady LP and Marshall Mathers LP are both incredible.” – Mall (83:10)

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Timelessness & Musical Impact

• They discuss what makes music (and artists) “timeless,” with some arguing it takes 20-25 years to truly know.
  • “Blonde is a timeless album. You can play that any year. It’s not going to sound dated. The content, the lyrics...” – Baby D (61:18)
• There’s debate over whether Eminem, with his specific era and shocking content, truly represents timelessness.

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Peak vs. Longevity: Fetty Wap or Freddie Gibbs?

• Would you rather be an artist with a brief, massive peak (Fetty Wap) or a slow, steady career (Freddie Gibbs)?
  • “Would you rather have a longer, slower burn of a career or a crazy-high peak like Fetty owned whatever summer?” – Mall (89:25)
  • “I’d rather be Freddie Gibbs. Fetty Wap is serving federal time.” – Baby D (89:26)
• The practicality of money management is discussed, suggesting some would prefer “taking the fast money and investing it,” using Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer as examples of career pivots.

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Generational Knowledge Gaps & The Role of Parents

• In a humorous “name that celebrity” segment, the cast laments that today’s youth can’t visually identify icons like Nelly but might know Keith Sweat.
  • “If you showed me a picture of Marvin Gaye when I was 19, I would know.” – Baby D (51:09)
• The crew reflects on how people today are less likely to search for music outside their digital algorithm and credit parents with passing down broader musical knowledge.

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Notable Quotes

• “If you have three great years, like in a row, like you're cemented somewhere in history. Like, he was incredible. He or she was incredible.” – Baby D (04:11)
• “We don't give women enough credit for thongs…like, I could never imagine just walking around all day with a wedgie.” – Mall (08:30)
• “I can't understand why somebody wouldn't know who Nelly was. Just knowing a picture of Nelly and you don't know who that is?” – Baby D (57:51)
• “The Backstreet Boys did get off the line ‘Am I sexual?’ and then all his homeboys backed him up and said ‘yeah.’” – Mall (17:59)
• “Timeless music didn’t stop at my generation. I feel like we were the last generation to listen to the timeless music before our time.” – Mall (59:28)
• “Would you rather have a longer, slower burn of a career or a crazy-high peak like Fetty?” – Mall (89:25)

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Memorable Moments & Humor

• On Posters: Rory reveals he had ceiling posters of B2K and Bow Wow, leading to jokes about childhood fandoms. (18:43)
• Underwear Talk: A segment debating the merits of Skims vs. Fenty makes for playful appreciation of women’s everyday sacrifices and unnecessary disclosure about ball support. (08:24-09:39)
• Peak Debates: Real-time Googling and consulting ChatGPT for peak-era data keeps the debate light but thorough.
• Culture Clashes: The generational divide is illustrated when nobody under 20 can identify Nelly, spurring equal parts disbelief and resigned laughter.

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Conclusion & Takeaways

The episode is a vibrant, multi-layered discussion of what “peak” means in music, seen through the lens of hip-hop, R&B, pop culture, and fandom. The cast lands on the idea that both longevity and massive peaks have their own allure, but the truest legends are those who transcend generations—whether through cultural impact, album runs, or the posters we stuck on our teenage walls. Through jokes and debates, the underlying message is clear: greatness is subjective, but indelible moments (or runs) define musical history.

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Highlighted Timestamps

• 03:10 – Celebrity birthdays & childhood nostalgia
• 14:01 – NSYNC vs. Backstreet Boys
• 31:23 – Opening of ‘peak’ debate: defining ‘peak’ and initial artist list
• 34:03 – 50 Cent and G-Unit’s cultural dominance
• 46:19 – The Nelly era breakdown
• 57:51 – Disbelief at Gen Z recognizing Keith Sweat but not Nelly
• 69:44 – Three-album runs and what makes them great
• 89:25 – Would you rather: Fetty Wap vs. Freddie Gibbs

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For fans of pop culture, ’00s nostalgia, and hip-hop debates, this is peak New Rory & MAL: irreverent, hilarious, and surprisingly thoughtful.

Transcript

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[Rory]

What do you think makes the perfect snack?

[Baby D]

Hmm. It's gotta be when I'm really craving.

[Mall]

It and it's convenient.

[Rory]

Could you be more specific?

[Baby D]

When it's cray venient.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Baby D]

Like a freshly baked cookie made with real butter, available right down the street at am, pm. Or a savory breakfast sandwich I can.

[Mall]

Grab in just a second at am, pm. I'm seeing a pattern here.

[Baby D]

Well, yeah, we're talking about what I.

[Rory]

Crave, which is anything from am, pm.

[Baby D]

What more could you want? Stop by AMPM where the snacks and drinks are perfectly craveable and convenient. That's cravenience.

[Mall]

Am, pm.

[Baby D]

Too much.

[Mall]

Good stuff the volume.

[Rory]

No worrying now.

[Baby D]

Yo, Josh, can you do me a favor? Can you look up because somebody DM me and was like they thought I was lying about my Serena Williams story at Allstar Weekend.

[Mall]

Oh, and you guys shared the same birthday.

[Baby D]

Yeah. So can you do me a favor, Josh? Can you look up when first look up when the all star game was 2001. Exact date.

[Mall]

That'd be such a strange lie.

[Baby D]

To February 11th. For real. Okay, now look up when did the. The Williams Sister simpson Episode air?

[Rory]

February 11, 2001.

[Mall]

Smoke that bot in your DMs.

[Baby D]

People are so stupid. Like how? Who would make that up?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Well, first of all, let's. Let's fact check. Look up mall celebrity birthday and then Serena Williams celebrity birthday. We never fact checked that.

[Baby D]

Yeah, let's start.

[Mall]

We never looked into that one. Yeah.

[Baby D]

Fact check. Serena Williams birth.

[Mall]

Yeah. How come Candace Owens hasn't done a deep dive into this one?

[Baby D]

Yeah, yeah. When was Serena Williams born? When's her birthday?

[Mall]

Mall gate.

[Baby D]

Okay.

[Mall]

Oh, you guys have the exact same birth. Like the year too?

[Baby D]

That's what I said. This exact.

[Mall]

I thought it was just September 26th.

[Baby D]

No, the exact same birthday.

[Mall]

Yeah. And very similar, you know, paths. Childhoods was very.

[Baby D]

I was my last.

[Mall]

You was serving a different type.

[Baby D]

Yeah, I was serving a different type of ball. Eight ball.

[Rory]

Bye.

[Baby D]

You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? My last name. Clay. She was on the clay court. You know how that go. She dominated the Clay court.

[Mall]

Oh my God.

[Baby D]

Come on.

[Mall]

Does hov know all this knowledge like a quadruple on.

[Baby D]

Me and Serena Williams are more alike than we are different, though. Like when you think about it, like when you really think about it, like.

[Mall]

I'm really thinking about it now and I don't think it checks out. You don't see it. You don't see it. I never thought about it before, but now that I think about it, I don't think you guys have anything in common.

[Baby D]

Oh, man.

[Mall]

Except for being at this All Star Game with the same dumb yes.

[Baby D]

And being born at the same day on the same day.

[Mall]

Do we know the times?

[Baby D]

No. That's scary. I don't even want to do that. I wouldn't even. I wouldn't even attempt to find that out.

[Mall]

Do you know the time you were born?

[Baby D]

I ask my mom, like, every year. She tells me, stop.

[Rory]

Leave that girl alone.

[Baby D]

Leave that girl alone. I ask my mom every year, what time was I born.

[Mall]

6:14Am for me.

[Baby D]

6:14Am yeah, my sister knows.

[Rory]

11:57 at night.

[Baby D]

He's born 11:57 at night or you was almost born the next day.

[Rory]

I have Diana Ross's birthday. I almost had Mariah Carey's.

[Baby D]

So it's like you the bridge between Diana and Mariah. We didn't even know. We didn't even know who was sitting in here.

[Mall]

Serena. Diana.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Clay Aiken.

[Baby D]

Clay Aiken.

[Mall]

Oh, no, sorry. Lance Bass. I was confusing my gay singers. Lance Bass from the back.

[Baby D]

Same birthday?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

No, Lance is older than you.

[Mall]

No, not the same year.

[Baby D]

Oh, okay.

[Mall]

But like, May 4th. Yeah.

[Baby D]

Okay. All right.

[Mall]

And then I think it's like, Chris Brown and Dame Dash or something like that.

[Baby D]

I was born at 9:43am.

According to my sister.

[Mall]

So is she older? Are you older?

[Baby D]

She's older. She was born in 9.

[Rory]

42.

[Mall]

Yeah, I can tell because she gives. She gives. Big sister.

[Baby D]

You can tell she was born in.

Yeah, I could tell. I could tell. I could.

[Mall]

She gets 42 energy. Like.

[Baby D]

I could tell. It's crazy.

[Mall]

How can you tell that? She has, like, nurturing big sister energy.

[Baby D]

Okay. All right.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's. And you have, like, young, dumb, younger brother brothers.

[Baby D]

Yeah, Yeah, I got it. All right.

[Mall]

For sure.

[Baby D]

That's what's up. I could tell.

[Mall]

Did she ever pull the big sister car on you?

[Baby D]

Oh, all the time. All the time.

[Mall]

What are you guys giggling about?

[Rory]

I'm sorry. Y' all got to put me somewhere else. Why would PE look up who has his birthday and it's Colonel Sanders or Colonel. Colonel.

[Mall]

Colonel Sanders.

[Baby D]

Colonel Sanders has.

[Rory]

Colonel Sanders has Peach's birthday.

[Baby D]

That makes sense, though.

[Rory]

Yeah, I know, but that's like, I got to give me away.

[Mall]

Let me see. Who actually the same day as me, like, in year and everything. Does anyone know who YRN Lingo is?

[Baby D]

No. Who's that?

[Rory]

Young Rich, I would assume is the yrm. That's What?

[Mall]

It's all the acronyms. I can't.

[Baby D]

Oh, is that a rapper?

[Mall]

Oh, no. He was born in 97, so there's really nobody. That's 1990.

[Baby D]

The only person born that day.

[Mall]

Literally, just me.

[Baby D]

Yeah, that was it. You were the only person born.

[Rory]

That guy had the day off. We don't know how you made it here.

[Baby D]

Imagine being the only person born on a day.

[Mall]

The year 1008. Henry King of the Franks was born in France.

[Rory]

Hey, yo.

[Mall]

The king of.

[Baby D]

King of the world.

[Mall]

I'm reading on.

[Baby D]

On this, D. You could have kept that to yourself, though. You could have just read that and, like, skimmed over.

[Mall]

King of the Franks is crazy.

[Baby D]

King of the Franks is. Wow. So today I'm wearing. If anybody cares, I'm wearing a fenty underwear.

[Mall]

How is it?

[Baby D]

And I'm trying to, like, figure out if I like skims of fenty more.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Baby D]

Yeah, so I gotta. I gotta do some Rihanna verse sprints after we leave here.

Like, figure out which.

[Mall]

Sprinting and skims is funny to me just in general.

[Baby D]

No, but I mean, the fenty is not bad. It's not bad.

[Rory]

Now you gotta get, like. You know, when you get out of the shower and your body's still a little wet, you gotta see which ones is easier to pull on. Don't you hate pulling on your drawers? Bras, when they, like, fighting against you?

[Baby D]

Wait, hold on, hold on.

[Mall]

I mean, I dry off usually.

[Baby D]

Baby D want me to be kind of, like, glossy.

[Mall]

Yeah, she wanted to be a morning dew and put.

[Baby D]

And put on my underwear.

[Rory]

You know when you rushing, like, and you like, damn, I'm still kind of. But you gotta put it on and Ain't hard to pull up.

[Baby D]

It would definitely be. The skims will be easier for sure.

[Rory]

Really?

[Baby D]

Yeah. The material is different on the skims than it is on the fenty.

[Mall]

But we don't give women enough credit for thongs.

[Baby D]

What do you mean?

[Mall]

That. That's like an everyday type of underwear for some. Like, I could never imagine just walking around all day with a wedgie. Like, I'm. This isn't my appreciation. I look at you guys like heroes for that. Yeah.

[Baby D]

Because when my. When one of my. My boxer brief legs start to rise up.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

It's the most uncomfortable thing in the world. Like. Yeah, it's like, wait, women actually, like, in between the cheeks.

Salute, y'. All.

[Rory]

We don't give rise up. Rise where, like, it starts rolling like you got a ball hanging out.

[Baby D]

Wait, no, no, no. But Baby D, it's not that High. We don't let it go.

[Mall]

One time in my life. Yeah. The. The underwear I had was a little old and started to get some wear and tear. But now I have drawers that will hold. Yeah, you gotta replace them.

[Baby D]

No, I got the long boxer. We lay down to here.

[Mall]

And some like, literally, sometimes they go.

[Baby D]

From here to like here. Not all the way up here, baby. Dude, that's not. We never. We never did.

[Rory]

I don't know. I don't know. How low your balls hang. I was just wondering how low my ball.

[Baby D]

How low your balls hang is crazy.

[Mall]

Okay, real question. Between skims and fenty, what's more of a ball support.

That'S just as important as sprinting or getting out of the shower wet and putting on clothes?

[Baby D]

Skims, I think, man.

[Mall]

Skims. I have not done the fenty, but skims, I will say, is very supportive.

[Baby D]

They're great. It's great underwear. Yes, they are.

[Mall]

In any situation.

[Baby D]

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[Mall]

Absolutely. Newroyamo.com Dick Dale was also born on my birthday.

[Rory]

Who?

[Mall]

Dick Dale. It's a pretty gay birthday.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Lance Bass, king of the Franks. Dickendale.

[Baby D]

Lance Bass is not gay. Why are you putting that on his jacket?

[Mall]

That? No, he's like an icon for the gay community.

[Baby D]

Is he?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Lance Bass is gay.

[Rory]

When the liberal chimes in and says, no, Lance is super gay.

[Baby D]

Lance Bass is gay.

[Mall]

Who's like mediocre gay. Josh.

[Baby D]

Yes. Lance Bass. I was. What's the other guy's name? No, no, no. The other guy.

[Mall]

Rest in peace. Darren Gar.

[Rory]

He said Aaron Carter. Nick Carter.

[Mall]

Why did Carter's catching so much?

[Baby D]

What's the other. What's the other guy's name? In. In. In sync.

Joey.

[Mall]

I learned so much about Josh. He just named off every full government name.

[Baby D]

And he might have did it in alphabetical order like this. Which is nasty because he knew. I think it's Joey. Joey Fatone is the one.

[Mall]

No, Joey Fatone is a greasy Italian from Brooklyn.

[Baby D]

That's what I'm saying. That's why I was like, he's not gay.

[Mall]

I'm sure he has some views about gays that he couldn't say publicly.

[Baby D]

That's why the group wrote, no, he's.

[Mall]

A true, like Benson Hurst. Italian.

[Baby D]

Yeah, that's who I thought it was. But Lance, you know. Yes, Lance is. Lance is. He's gay.

[Mall]

Though he did open a Frank stand.

[Baby D]

Wasn't Joey Fatone doing the did he. Did he compete in a Nathan's hot dog eating contest one year?

[Mall]

Well, he owns a hot dog gang, so I think maybe he was sponsoring. Well, no, because.

[Baby D]

Oh, is it only marketing? He did it. I feel like. I feel like Joey Fatone did the Nathan's.

[Mall]

A lot of guys look like Joey Fatone on the Nathan's. Probably where you were confused.

[Baby D]

Yes.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Yes.

[Mall]

It's like one Asian guy and then a bunch of Joey Patone.

[Baby D]

Okay, got it.

[Mall]

Fat ones.

[Baby D]

Yes.

[Rory]

Oh, that's like really, like, clever. Without being. Without too hard.

[Mall]

It's his last name.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Which Josh spelt out for us.

[Baby D]

Joey. We say J.C. chase.

[Mall]

All right, Josh, rank them now. Give us your top five.

[Baby D]

He said Lance on bass, so you don't hear him too much.

[Mall]

He thought he's one of the Commodores.

[Baby D]

On base. He's kind of in the background. You don't really hear him that much. But that is funny, though. Cause Josh is right. JC is probably the best vocalist.

[Mall]

Oh, sure. But I think that was always like, Kamio Justin. I always thought he just had the star quality.

[Baby D]

I always felt like JC was gonna be the biggest star, though, like when they all went solo. Cause JC had that one record. What was that one? That one record he had?

No, it was a slower one. It was kind of like a ballad. I think it was kind of a slower one. I felt like that was gonna really take JC to the next level.

[Mall]

I checked out after Dirty Pop.

[Baby D]

That was it.

[Mall]

That was. That was it for me. Once they had chains on the NSync, wasn't they.

[Baby D]

Didn't they announce they was going on tour?

What?

[Mall]

Wait, wasn't that like a hole in that Justin Timberlake show or something?

[Baby D]

Why wouldn't Justin Timberlake do the In Sync tour?

[Mall]

He'd rather go to Hawaii. Why would he?

[Baby D]

Why would you know how much money they would stand to make on a NSYNC tour like this in 26?

[Mall]

I would pay for that ticket. I would definitely buy them. They would all hold jobs like this.

[Baby D]

They would hold jobs like a 30 inch sub.

Yo, that is crazy, dog. As a man, how do you lay across in sync hands and just let them. Let them hold you like this?

[Mall]

Pay an extra 1500 for that one.

[Baby D]

Oh, my God.

[Mall]

If they go on tour, Josh, I will pay for your meet and greet ticket.

[Baby D]

That's fucked up that Justin Timberlake doesn't want to tour with NSync, though.

[Rory]

Is that confirmed, though? I don't want to just put shit on. Just like on his jacket.

[Baby D]

You have a Computer right in front of you, baby.

[Rory]

D, why don't you explain it up right now, sweetheart?

[Mall]

I mean, I don't know. Like, is everyone in shape? Like, I've seen Joey Fatone on Impractical Jokers. I don't know if he's, like, in dancing shape. Like, I don't know if the strings can hold him up.

[Baby D]

Oh, they won't go on tour because their plans were put on hold indefinitely due to Justin Tim Lake's. Oh. Recent diagnosis with Lyme disease and his ongoing solo tour commitments. So it's not because he doesn't say.

[Mall]

When they gave the I was in tall grass excuse.

[Baby D]

Yeah, Justin Timberlake has Lyme disease. And he doesn't want to. You know, doesn't want to.

[Mall]

But his can't play with the lime, though.

[Baby D]

No, but he.

[Rory]

He was canceling his own tour dates. Like, not before he. Look, so he was scheduled to go on tour with them, but he was on his own tour and he had to cancel dates because of a Lyme disease. And.

[Mall]

Yeah, we got too much going on in Long Island. He's like, I gotta make my show, officer. I mean, let me not joke, though, because, like, we saw with Childish Gambino, and, like, a lot of these artists aren't lying. They do have health complications.

[Baby D]

Yeah. So I don't want to. Well, get well sooner. Justin Timberlake, and hopefully we do get that tour.

[Mall]

He probably got Lyme disease at that DUI stop in Long island in that tall grass.

[Baby D]

Probably. I think you get Lyme disease in the Hamptons.

[Mall]

I think that's for sure. That's where all the Lyme is at.

[Baby D]

That's what you. That's where you get Lyme disease at in the Hamptons. But I do want new additions going on tour. New edition of NSync, better tour. Come on, Bobby. Listen, I'm letting y' all know right now, if Bobby dedicate four months to just getting. Just working out and just getting right.

That tour's gonna be insane.

[Mall]

I'd rather kind of see Fat Bobby do the same choreography.

[Baby D]

Nah, you got Bobby gotta be Adam breath some type of shape to get his soul when it's time to do all of these solo records. Yeah, but. And that New Edition tour is gonna be crazy because they're going on with Boys to Men. I forgot who else was on that, too.

[Rory]

I gotta go for Boys to Men, y'.

[Baby D]

All. Huh? I gotta go for Boys to Men, not New Edition.

[Rory]

I. I. With New Edition. But I just. I told you, I prefer Boys to been more. Okay, I'M I'm more of a ballet.

[Mall]

Girl, but what month is it in New York?

Oh, it's coming up. Wait, Valentine's Day. Oh, my God. Oh, God. No, we're not outside.

[Rory]

No.

Oh, so the March 14th one makes sense.

[Mall]

You already have Valentine's Day plans.

[Rory]

It's gonna be so fun at Prudential. Prudential is always the better show.

[Baby D]

Yeah, it was in Jersey, right?

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's too local.

[Rory]

But I do prefer Pride.

[Mall]

Barclays.

[Rory]

The New Jersey. The Prudential center for people who aren't from New Jersey. New York is in Newark, New Jersey, which is one hell of a neighborhood.

[Baby D]

And very, very festive neighborhood.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And many different personalities.

[Rory]

The crowd is different. Like, you go to a show at the Barclays. Yeah, it's in Brooklyn. I know what you guys hear about.

[Baby D]

Brooklyn, but it feels like Manhattan.

[Rory]

It's a bunch of fucking teenage kids, right?

[Baby D]

Yeah, the Barclays. She go to a show or a game in Barclays, it feels like Manhattan. Yeah, it's not much of a difference to me. Like, I know when they first announced that they was building that arena, everybody was kind of mad and because of gentrification. Yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

You mean, you mean the locals that had lived there for years? I'm sure they were upset that they were being moved out of that neighborhood.

[Baby D]

Got to go back. Go back a few blocks. Just go down.

[Mall]

Go down Atlantic. Yeah, go down Atlantic, take a left. Yeah, and just stay in Brownsville.

[Baby D]

We have some walk up tenements available for all of you. Don't worry about it. It's all good.

[Mall]

NSYNC or Backstreet Boys?

[Baby D]

We did this before NSync.

[Rory]

NSync. I don't think nobody would pick Bash.

[Mall]

Yeah, I'm going inside.

[Baby D]

Backstreet Boys might have sold more records, though.

[Rory]

I wouldn't be surprised. Let's see.

[Baby D]

But I. But me personally, just taste my personal taste.

[Mall]

I. Yeah, they got it right with NSync. I feel they worked the kinks out of what Backstreet Boys was. Because even, like, I don't even know that the leading guy, I can see his face in Backstreet Boys. But even their leading guy wasn't even a household name. It was just the Backstreet Boys.

[Rory]

Yeah, the Backstreet Boys had a more successful career overall due to being the best selling boy band of all time. But they. NSYNC had a huge peak.

[Baby D]

They sold. Backstreet Boys sold 130 million records.

[Mall]

Checks out. Hard copies they print. They printed that much plastic.

[Baby D]

Nsync sold over 70. Damn. They sold. They did. Twice.

[Mall]

And some fat pedophile got all the money.

[Baby D]

Damn.

[Mall]

The Backstreet Boys did get off the line. Am I sexual? And then all his homeboys backed him up and said, yeah.

That would have been, like, the sickest. Well, that's one of the sickest, like, moments in music history. And then all his. His crew was like, harmony.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

What? How y' all know that, Nobod?

How y' all know that, man? How y' all came to that?

[Mall]

That's supportive friends, though.

[Baby D]

Yeah. No, you right.

[Mall]

Yeah. Instead of the friends that, you know, try to on you when you're around women, his crew is just agreeing with everything.

[Baby D]

You gotta hold your man down with the lie. Don't worry about it. Backstreet Boys are B2K.

[Mall]

Any B2K, baby.

[Baby D]

Do you definitely have B2K posters on your wall? I did.

[Rory]

I actually had them hanging from the ceiling.

[Mall]

Oh, so you could look up.

[Baby D]

So you wanted, like, Omarion.

[Rory]

No, not like, my dad had. Did some.

Some type of jig where, like, he had hooks in my ceiling. And he punched holes in the posters. The big Word up magazine posters. He punched holes at the top and then looped string. So the poster, like, I had a Bow Wow poster and multiple of the B2K guys, and they were, like, hanging down, so it was like. But that's from the rafters almost in my bedroom. Yep.

[Baby D]

But, baby, that's whack. Cause when we bow wow on. You didn't tell Bow Wow you had him hanging from your ceiling?

[Rory]

I would never do that.

[Baby D]

Why? Because. Why?

[Rory]

Why would I do that? I'm sure he assumed that he would.

[Mall]

Be right to assume that I would bow our poster in my room. It came with Beware of the dog scene.

[Baby D]

I'm glad you didn't tell him that. Yeah, Baby D could have told Bower that she had him hanging out.

[Mall]

It wasn't just. It wasn't just shad and A in a white wall. Like, I mean, there was a bunch of posters. He was just one. Because, you know, it came with the cd.

[Baby D]

I would tell Britney Spears that I had her in my locker.

[Rory]

Well, that's okay for. Actually, don't do that.

[Baby D]

Why? Uh, Britney Spears? Why?

[Rory]

I mean, how would it come up in conversation?

[Baby D]

I would just tell Britney Spears that I had a post of her in my locker when I was in high school.

[Rory]

Kind of like when you told. What you told Serena. Like, I just feel like they don't need to know that.

[Mall]

You don't think they kept that to You.

[Baby D]

No, Serena appreciated it. It was just bad timing.

[Rory]

Uh huh.

[Baby D]

Cause she was on the Simpsons. That's like life like, that's like being cemented in history on the Simpsons.

[Rory]

Okay, fair.

[Mall]

What other posters did you have on your wall?

[Baby D]

I just had Jordan.

I never did too many like rap posters at the wall.

[Rory]

Okay. Halle.

[Baby D]

No, I didn't have Halle Berry on my wall. I had a magazine that I think she was on the COVID of. And that was like just always like on my dresser. Like I would just look at that magazine on the COVID next to the lotion. I mean, come on now.

[Mall]

Demera's not gonna believe us. But I had Mariah Carey on my wall when she had the jean shorts on and she like cut the top of them. I think it came with the Heartbreaker cd. But I had Mariah on my wall for a long time. I had a lot of the slam magazine posters. I had a fold out Jay Z Reebok poster that said I got my NBA from Marcy projects.

[Baby D]

Was that when you put the stock on?

[Mall]

I also had a game. Remember the hurricane sneaker?

[Baby D]

Yes.

[Mall]

I had a game promotional hurricane poster on my wall at one point. I had a lot of nasty posters up there.

[Baby D]

People. Do people still put posters on their wall?

[Rory]

Kids? I don't know. They be having grass walls now with neon signs. I don't know. Like my son not hanging Kai Sina on his wall. We ain't doing that.

[Baby D]

Why?

[Mall]

Kai should sell posters.

[Rory]

Kai should definitely sell posters.

[Baby D]

They have the. The big head. Like the big wall fat heads now. Fat heads. Is that what it's called? Yeah, like those are crazy. I wish I had that growing up. Like having a life size Jordan on my wall growing up would have been crazy, I think.

[Mall]

Was it East Bay men used to sell? They weren't the fat heads, but it was like the cutout things when I was a kid, a sports player, like real size, like you could get Dante Culpepper at like the same height that you could like stick on your wall.

[Baby D]

That's not. That wasn't a fat head.

[Mall]

I don't think they were called that yet.

[Rory]

Fat heads are like really big heads. Bald. Like fat heads.

[Mall]

Like Joey Fatone.

[Rory]

No, it's like, it's like a cutout of a. Of your head, but it's bigger than your actual head. Like it's like really big.

[Mall]

These were just like real cutouts of athletes. I think at the time. I can't remember, but yeah, I definitely.

[Rory]

Reminiscing. We hate being adults.

[Baby D]

No, it's Just interesting to see how, like kids in high school, like, how they kind of like show their fandom now.

[Mall]

Well, I mean, to point, like everything their version of prom isn't like ours and their rooms are not like ours. They have like up to date tech shit, like real neons. Even though I did have a light up green clock that I wanted to Jersey Shore that was neon.

[Baby D]

Oh.

[Mall]

That I would only turn on for special occasions because I didn't know neon things could last that long.

[Rory]

That you thought the neon was gonna run.

[Mall]

Yeah, I was like, I can't get this replaced. So you know.

[Baby D]

You had a lava lamp.

[Rory]

I had a lot. I was just. You took the water out my mouth.

[Mall]

I wanted one so badly, but my mom equated that with being a pothead. I wasn't even smoking weed at that time.

[Baby D]

I thought, you must say being gay, because that's what I would. If my son had a lava lamp.

[Mall]

I would be like, how is lava lamp and gay?

[Rory]

No, lava lamps weren't gay back then. That was like. That was definitely. It was a pothead thing. Not surprised she thought that. Lava lamps weren't. No, they were like, cool. They weren't gay.

I had a lot.

[Baby D]

Your brother had a lava lamp and he was gay. There's an honest man right there. I knew it.

[Mall]

Well, we're not suggesting that gay people.

[Rory]

Didn'T have lava lamp.

[Mall]

Didn't have lava lamps.

[Baby D]

No, I'm saying it's gay to have a lava lamp. That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying gay people don't have lava. I'm saying it's gay to have a lava lamp. That's all.

[Mall]

But what if you like a hippie? Like hippies.

[Rory]

That's what I think of. I think of hippies when I think of lava lamps.

[Baby D]

Hippies are like, they affluent. They don't give a fuck who they have sex with.

[Mall]

They all about love.

[Baby D]

Yeah, yeah. It's all about love. Listen, man, you need me to jerk you off tonight. Come on, man. Come on over route.

[Mall]

I didn't see that in the Woodstock doc.

[Baby D]

Yeah, no, that's the one they don't show you. They'll never show you that one. They'll never show you the gay sex they had at Woodstock.

[Mall]

98 degrees or Aaron Carter.

[Baby D]

That's kind of tough.

[Mall]

It's very tough.

[Rory]

Out of my wheelhouse. I can't answer.

[Mall]

Aaron Carter has some joints. Remember when he beat Shaq in 101? That was a true story. That video was a doc.

[Baby D]

I don't know I might go 98 degrees.

[Mall]

Nick Lachey could kind of sing on the low.

[Baby D]

No, he can now.

[Mall]

He just turned like now he's a CIA.

[Baby D]

Once you get that, once you get that TV money, you never go back to the booth.

[Mall]

He's a Pentagon agenda to ruin the youth in dating.

[Baby D]

No worry.

[Mall]

And now mall is disgusting. I think it's time to upgrade this. This, this is insane.

[Baby D]

You're right man.

[Mall]

You should upgrade to the iPhone 17 Pro because believe it or not is designed to be the most powerful iPhone ever. Of course it'd be more powerful than the 16, but I'm sure you're thinking about traffic on the way transferring your data. That can be a mess. Sometimes you just want to keep this, this chipped up phone that you have. But I have good news. When you order the new phone online with Boost Mobile to send an expert or to your work right here. Yeah right. They could come right here just to give you your iPhone 17 and get you set up with Boost Mobile within minutes.

[Baby D]

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[Mall]

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[Baby D]

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[Mall]

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[Mall]

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[Baby D]

Exactly. Life doesn't come with a budget app built in, but the Klarna card kind of feels like it should have.

[Mall]

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[Baby D]

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[Mall]

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[Baby D]

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[Mall]

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[Baby D]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Baby D]

We kick things off with Brian Bodinger breaking out with it really went down on Sunday. It is as good a timing rhythm offense as there is in the league right now.

[Mall]

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[Baby D]

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[Mall]

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[Baby D]

Can we get a Thanksgiving first? I'm hungry.

[Rory]

Hey y', all, it's Kadeen and Deval.

[Mall]

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[Baby D]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

I guess I detoxified myself. Accountability, like it has become mad attractive.

[Rory]

So attractive to me and everything else in between.

[Mall]

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[Rory]

This podcast before, which was me taking a Ziploc bag.

[Baby D]

So listen to Ellis Ever after on.

[Mall]

The iHeartRadio app, Apple piece podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

[Baby D]

So y' all had this question of greatest peak of all time. We was in the studio talking about artists and comparing careers and would you rather have longevity or have like a peak and kind of like, you know Just fade out after your peak.

So some interesting names up here. Very successful artists, very successful careers. But we're talking about the greatest peak.

[Mall]

Peak. Yes. And let's look up the definition of peak.

[Baby D]

Please look up the definition of peak, Rory.

[Mall]

And also where before we start is a peak. Is that like a year? What are we calling a peak?

[Baby D]

It could be a couple of years. No, it could be two or three years. Your peak. Your peak could be like two or three years.

[Rory]

Like two years. I feel like two years. I feel like once you hit three, that's kind of like three is a rap career. Three years on top is a rap career.

[Mall]

You're a legend now.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like put you in the rock and roll hall of Fame.

[Baby D]

Yeah. If you have three great years, like in a row, like you're cemented somewhere in history. Like, he was incredible. He or she was incredible.

[Mall]

All right, so Dictionary.com doesn't have a time frame, but reach your highest point either as a value or a specific time.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

So, all right, we can speculate with the years, but what we wrote down off Mike, just off the top of our heads, Nelly, 50, Eminem, Drake and Wayne. As far as who had the bigger peak? Nelly. One diamond with physical copies.

[Baby D]

Yes.

[Mall]

Now, did 50m, Drake and Wayne have longer runs than Nelly?

[Baby D]

Yes, sure.

[Mall]

Well, 50 and Nelly were close as far as music runs, but I'm kind of. I'm with Nelly50 and Eminem as my debate in my head out the gate of greatest peak. Yes. Because I think M from Marshall mathers Eminem show 8 mile time. I think M was at the hot.

[Baby D]

Like, why you don't got Jay on this list?

[Mall]

I. What would you even consider Jay's peak? Because I hate that conversation when people say Jay was never the number one rapper of any year. And I'm like, okay, so he's had a dominant 20 year career.

[Baby D]

But what do they mean by that when he was never the number one?

[Mall]

Like, I guess going by album sales, probably stats, I don't know, but I've seen that argument and I get it. Yeah. There's years where. But no matter what, if you're number two for 20 years, like, it's a pretty good career.

[Baby D]

Great career.

[Mall]

Nelly, though, I don't know, it kind of goes back and forth between.

50 and dominating the world at that time. Could you escape G unit from 2004 to 2007.

You had Kanye in there, you had Nelly in there, you had em yet, like there was a lot of going on. But could you escape anything junior? Like, anything 50 did in those years went platinum. Like I love Yayo, but if you put yay on another system, I don't know if he's immediately going gold first week.

[Baby D]

Right.

[Mall]

You put out give or should I try and then beg for mercy Right. In the same year, then wait and give Game seven hits, then put out buck. That goes platinum, Banks goes platinum, Yayo goes gold. I don't. We're like, I still equate that to 50 cent in some degree. But then you can also give em that credit because em, I feel like was at his peak and then gave us 50 Cent.

[Baby D]

Yeah. So I mean Jay said only dudes moving units in Pimp juice and us. So I don't know man. Y' all gotta go back and look at the numbers that Jay was doing first week back then, man.

[Mall]

Were they.

[Baby D]

He was doing a million.

[Mall]

Is there. Is there a better back to back country grammar to Nellyville versus Get Rich to Massacre? That would. I think that would define it in my opinion. Who sold more there?

[Rory]

Do you guys want to hear what Chat GPT says? Are we. Wait, are we adding Jay Z into this or are we just doing.

[Mall]

I don't think I also like not even really want to add Drake into this because yes, Drake has had a peak per se, but he's kind of just been dominating for 15 years. I don't know if there was a peak per se.

[Baby D]

I wouldn't even be able to like point out Drake's peak.

[Mall]

I don't think that's what I'm saying.

[Rory]

I don't really think he has peak mean.

[Baby D]

What does his peak?

[Mall]

You could fall off to have a peak.

[Rory]

Exactly. Yeah, you could also. Because that's very important, Rory.

[Mall]

That's why I can't really put like Drake and Jay in this, people.

[Baby D]

Yeah, you have to have a fall off to have a peak.

[Rory]

People could say. Or people would say, it's been said before about as far as like the quality. They can say that Drake has reached a peak quality wise. Right. We'll say that the people say that about plenty of artists. Right. So they've said that, that his best album was years, years before, whatever. But numbers wise, no, because I think he continues to sell more and more.

[Mall]

So yeah, like even what I think is his best music sold less than what I think is his worst music. Yeah. So that's where. I don't know. I. I kind of want to leave Drake out of this conversation per se because it's tough. Jay as well. But then also in the same coin, like either way, There is a peak for Drake and hov. You would just have to find it based off album sales, I guess. But neither of them have had a like fall off the way that's my brother. We've kind of like. Which is up to say because I think Nelly 50 and M and Wayne are all legends in their own right. But you can clearly see a fall off. But now we're moving the goal post because Eminem still outsells everybody every time he comes out. Even if we don't like the albums. Has M ever fallen off Eminem?

[Baby D]

Yes.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mall]

What are we talking about musically subject? That's subjectively. We already know how I even feel about that. But what did. What did Kamikaze sell? It probably went diamond. Every time M goes and releases a project it's. Yeah, if. If selling 450k is in one week is falling off. I don't know what the falling off is. Now 50, I don't think he fell off. He just chose to go different directions with his career and didn't focus on music. But there was a clearly a musical fall off when you get to the animal ambition or before I self destruct years. So Curtis I think was the beginning of not a fall but his focus of music. Satinelli, after you did it was a sweet and salty sweet suit. What's his double sweatsuit?

[Baby D]

Sweet and salty is great. Are you hungry?

[Mall]

I couldn't remember the name of the.

[Baby D]

Double sweet and salt.

[Mall]

I could see the album cover pregnant. What's wrong?

Sweet and first off, I was. It's my choice.

[Baby D]

Yes, that's the fact. That is a fact.

[Mall]

So yeah, there was a fall off there. So that's where I'm more focused on Nelly and 50 Cent and I. I think 50, just because he dominated everything else had the highest peak that I've seen in rap. Wayne did musically. I mean you. You couldn't escape Wayne from.

07 to 2011.

Could you escape Wayne?

[Baby D]

But again, that was four years and.

[Mall]

That was of dominance though 15 years ago. That's dominance.

[Rory]

Well, the year doesn't matter.

[Baby D]

What do you mean?

[Rory]

If you say it was 15 years ago, that doesn't like. It doesn't matter. That.

[Baby D]

No, no, no. That's still. That was. If we're saying just peak then yeah, that was his peak. But when you think about it, it's like damn, that was. It was 15 years ago that we talking about this peak that arguably one of the greatest rappers had. Like just think about that 15 years ago that one of the greatest rappers had their peak you know how many, like, new kids are walking around? That was like 4, 5. When Wayne had his peak.

[Mall]

Like, I'm probably understood probably. 05 to 2011, 2012, Wayne dominated. 07, I think would probably be his biggest year when he did all those features and a million.

[Rory]

Well, so then let's talk about. That's a peak. So Chad, GBT is saying Wayne's peak is 2007 to 2009.

[Mall]

Okay, I'll go with that. Because off the top of my head, 07, if I remember correctly, was like the biggest Wayne year. So we'll go Wayne 07.

[Rory]

07. It said 07. 09. 50 Cent. 03 to 05.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

Eminem, 2000 to 2004.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

Drake, 2015 and present.

[Baby D]

Wait, and then saying president is crazy also 2015. Nah, they gotta go. They got. Yeah, he was. Drake was fucking shit up in 2011, 2012.

[Rory]

Well, no, it's not about him fucking shit up. We're talking about him being as high as he is now and continuing that.

[Baby D]

So reaching his height.

[Rory]

Yeah, reaching height.

[Mall]

Take Drake out of this, man. 2015, a president. Like, I'm not.

[Baby D]

Yeah, we can't even argue that.

[Rory]

And Nelly was 2000 to 2003 as well. Well, 2000 to 2003. So what Chad GPT says because I asked him. You got to ask them a whole bunch.

[Baby D]

Where's chat GBT from? Like, what city is he from?

[Mall]

Because Israel.

[Baby D]

What was he listening to?

[Rory]

They said the greatest peak, if you just want to do greatest peak of career wise is 50 cent. He wins because Get Rich or die tryin sold 872k first week and went nine times platinum. One of the biggest rap debuts ever. He had a number one album and number one single simultaneously for weeks. And he also dominated fashion, mixtapes, radio, street culture, fashion.

[Mall]

Listen, I'm not saying that everyone wanted to dress like 50 the way they maybe wanted to dress like Kanye, but the way he dominated with Reebok and G Unit clothing, let's not act like that was not something that should be on the statute.

[Rory]

And everybody. And they show. Even when he did his little comeback show in New York, niggas was showing up dressed like 50 Cent back in the days.

[Baby D]

But those was niggas that just came home. So you can't be mad at them.

[Mall]

You don't think that junior wife beater is an iconic piece of fashion that should be put in urban fashion.

[Baby D]

Iconic for the wrong reasons, though. Because you can be iconic for the.

[Mall]

Wrong reasons, but you still iconic.

[Baby D]

That's a Fact.

What?

[Mall]

Yeah, but for sure.

[Baby D]

But Rory like that. He liked them thin. The thin strap tank tops you like.

[Mall]

I didn't. I didn't have the body for it.

[Baby D]

Hey, a man said he didn't have the body.

[Mall]

No, I definitely. I had the G minute Reeboks. I had had a bunch of G Unit, like, T shirts. I had a G Unit button up, but I never had the white wearing.

[Baby D]

That was an interesting time because you did that because you from Queens.

[Mall]

But there was other people uptown.

[Baby D]

Was not. We was not wearing G Unit uptown.

[Mall]

Okay. Yeah, you're probably right.

[Baby D]

Was not. Was wearing Rocawear.

[Mall]

So were.

[Baby D]

We was wearing, you know.

Eniche.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

When they got really colorful, some of the Sean John, even.

[Mall]

South Pole. I mean, you never let me get them.

[Baby D]

He was wearing South Pole. We wasn't wearing South Poles.

But we was wearing. What was the other coats, though? North faces.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Still maybe a first down. Maybe. Maybe some dudes just went first down. I never was really jacking the first downs.

[Mall]

All right. Yeah, uptown probably dresses better. But you guys are wearing the Elmo shirt with the Elmo hat and the Cookie Monster shirt. And the Cookie Monster hat. So sometimes I even want to hear from uptown. Now, you guys have had some Queens, too, though. Nobody was. That was. That was the Bronx and the northern part of Harlem.

[Baby D]

Yo, but don't do that, because Queens, y' all was wearing the four hats, letters on it. Like, that's not the Yankees, fam. I don't know what that is. Like, y'.

[Rory]

All.

[Baby D]

Y' all love. Can you pull that up?

[Mall]

Queens county is the most diverse county in the United States. We are a melting pot, and we're representation every culture. Yeah. We're inclusive.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but I mean, those hats with the Chinese letters were so nasty. Those fitted.

[Mall]

I thought they were fire.

[Baby D]

Those. I never did those.

[Mall]

But this was coming off when people were getting Chinese tattoos. Didn't even know what they meant.

[Baby D]

Yeah. That was crazy. That was a weird time that the city was in. I don't know what was going on.

[Mall]

All I know, in 3rd Ave. In the Bronx, everybody had an Elmo shirt with an Elmo fitted.

[Baby D]

That's why I never understood the whole Asian hate thing. We love Asians in New York. Look at the hats we was wearing that one time.

We hated Asia. Since when? That was never a thing.

[Rory]

Since when?

[Mall]

Racist. I have a black best friend.

[Baby D]

Yeah, that's not. Come on, man.

[Mall]

Same crazy. Yeah, I voted for Obama.

[Rory]

Y' all want to get back to the debate, please?

[Baby D]

Well, he was debating who Dressed better between Queens and Uptown. That was part of the debate.

[Mall]

But yes, so up back in the uptown takes that kick. But I am a huge advocate of defending the borough of Queens now because everyone.

[Baby D]

Nas set y' all back with the leather durag though.

[Mall]

But he brought it back.

[Baby D]

He set y' all back. Nas is fly. Nas can dress. He's one of the better dressed rappers for sure. But when Nas put that leather durag on, y' all was down 30. I'm not gonna lie. The leather durag was insane.

[Mall]

But the Bronx brought the leather fitteds like that was y' all terrible. Brooklyn tried to like adopt it, but that was definitely a Bronx thing. I don't know about over the years.

[Baby D]

Nah, don't do that. See, don't. Don't do that. Don't put that on a tab. Don't do that. We wasn't doing that.

[Mall]

But look what Queens has done now with Ame Kith. Like all the dope shit now comes from Queens designers. So yeah, we had, we had a rough time.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

But I still think that should be on 50 stat sheet.

[Baby D]

Because no gene unit clothing.

[Mall]

Because around the world, no people in the Bronx were probably not jacking the G unit shit. But everyone else in the rest of the world.

[Baby D]

50 wasn't mad when he saw them numbers in the Midwest come out. Yeah, like middle America, Africa.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

That's all they was wearing. Yeah, all they was wearing.

[Rory]

It said 50s peak is widely considered the most powerful and short term dominant in rap. Not the longest, but the highest spike. Eminem would be considered the biggest global impact peak. Like if you talk about global, he's number. He's easily number one. Widest reaching. They said 50s was more intense, but EMS was more massive and broad.

[Mall]

Yeah, if we're going off what our definition of peak is, I do think 50 in the scope of everything had the highest peak in hip hop.

[Baby D]

Well, I mean that's, that's his artist. So it's. It makes sense.

[Mall]

The numbers check out, you know, the biggest peak. Paul Rosenberg, Jimmy Iovine has had the biggest peak in hip hop history.

[Baby D]

Dr. Dre is another name.

[Mall]

Listen.

Nelly, music wise though, I mean, I don't know if you could really with the country grammar. It's in Nellyville days.

[Rory]

Yes, they're saying, but I'm, I'm looking at the numbers. Eminem and 50 Smoke. When it comes to peak. They smoke now.

[Baby D]

Nelly when Nelly when that, when that. Down, down, baby. When that video hit, I knew that was a hit cuz I, I couldn't like When I. For the first day I saw that video, I remember looking at, I was like, who is this? Like, who is this? He's not from New York. He's not from la. Cause he's not from Atlanta. So at that time, that's where all the best rappers were from. It was like, this guy's from St. Louis.

[Mall]

Ask his tattooers.

[Baby D]

This is how they dress in St. Louis. This is how they talk. That was our introduction to essentially the streets of St. Louis. Like, okay. It was Nelly. Like, okay. And then when the album came out and you got into some of the album cuts and you started hearing the shit that Nelly was rapping about.

Nelly's career, that old 2000 to 2003, Nelly was a pop star. Like, without a doubt. Like, I'm talking about TRL, MTV, VMAs, any awards show, Nelly was there. Whether he was presenting, performing, or accepting an award. Like, Nelly's that. Three years of 2000, 2003, without a doubt, Nelly had one of the greatest rapids peaks of all time.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Vocal or G unit, bro? I never saw a wearing vocal.

[Rory]

I don't even know what vocal is.

[Baby D]

You don't remember vocal? I remember. You remember.

[Mall]

It never appeared.

[Baby D]

Remember apple bottoms, right?

[Rory]

Yes.

[Baby D]

So vocal was the mail line to the apple bottoms.

[Rory]

Ah, yeah. Who was in charge of apple bottoms again?

[Mall]

T Pain.

[Rory]

T Pain. Yes. No. Shut up.

[Baby D]

Being in charge of apple bottom is crazy.

[Rory]

That's why I don't listen to him. Who.

[Baby D]

Who created that was Nelly's line?

[Rory]

Oh, it was.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I was young. You gotta understand. I was like seven when all this was happening. So I don't remember that.

[Baby D]

Nelly's clothing line.

[Mall]

I will say, though, coming off tomorrow's point of Country Grammar being what it was, the follow up, having Hot in Here, Pimp Juice, Air Force One's Dilemma. Work It Rock the Mite remix. And number one is an insane follow up to the Country Grammar album. Like, that could be debated against massacre.

[Baby D]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Mall]

Like, every song in this. These are the singles in order. Hot, Near Dilemma, Air Force Ones Work at Pimp Juice. Five singles.

[Baby D]

Damn, that's crazy.

[Mall]

I won. Didn't Nelly get any, like, check from.

[Baby D]

Nike or for the Air Force? Yeah, well, he had a shoe. He had. He had. He had a Barkley. Okay, pull up a picture of the Nelly Barclays.

[Mall]

How did you. You guys feel uptown for Nelly? Kind of being the face of uptowns.

[Baby D]

That was always weird. That must have hurt before Nelly came out and we was a hundred pair uptowns deep already. Like in the closet.

[Mall]

Remember when they were like 60, 70 bucks?

[Rory]

Oh, I miss it.

[Baby D]

The Air Max. Charles Barkley, Nellies. Those was crazy. I remember those are hard now, when those dropped.

[Mall]

Yeah, no, those are dope.

[Baby D]

Yeah. Nelly fucked the city up with those.

[Mall]

Fucked the city up.

[Baby D]

He fucked the city up with those.

[Mall]

The city was one way.

[Baby D]

The Nelly. The city up with those. For sure. The Air Dirties.

[Mall]

All right, so, well, hey, this isn't.

[Baby D]

Your favorite rapper, like Murphy Lee or some shit.

[Mall]

Top of his Spotify.

[Baby D]

Nelly.

[Rory]

Nelly was my hov.

[Baby D]

Nelly's your hov because he represented the middle of America, Right? There you go.

[Mall]

But I mean, around our age, Nelly was like that guy.

[Baby D]

No, for. Listen, bro, Nelly. Nelly's running incredible.

[Mall]

Because my friend Brian really used to wear a band aid on his face when we were 12.

[Baby D]

That was gay. Now, there was a video of Gen Zers being asked if they knew who this person was. So somebody was holding a picture of Nelly and nobody.

[Rory]

I can't.

[Mall]

I don't know. Nle Choppa.

[Baby D]

I asked who Nelly was. This is. This is insane. These are college students, right? I'm assuming. And in this liberty, I can't.

[Mall]

I don't know who that is.

[Baby D]

Can name the celebrity. He wanted them dudes who used to.

[Mall]

Wear the backward jeans.

[Rory]

I don't know who that is.

[Baby D]

Can name the celebrity.

[Mall]

He's wearing red.

[Rory]

He's probably not affiliated.

[Mall]

It's not Bow Wow.

[Baby D]

Even though it looks like him. Hey, name the celebrity. Looks like whoever that is.

[Mall]

Whoever it is.

[Baby D]

He named the celebrity. Almost looks like 50 Cent. Nah, that's not 50 Cent. And then the celebrity.

[Mall]

Tupac.

[Baby D]

What? No.

[Mall]

And then the celebrity.

[Rory]

I've never seen that person in my life.

[Baby D]

And then the celebrity.

[Mall]

Not 50 Cent.

[Baby D]

Hey, name the celebrity.

[Rory]

I'm a Swifty and a K pop fan. If it's not Sabrina, Olivia. Olivia Taylor, Lil Pump. I don't know.

[Mall]

And in the celebrity, that's Big Dog.

[Baby D]

And then celebrity.

[Rory]

I don't even want to try.

[Baby D]

And in the celebrity.

[Mall]

I've seen him before. What's his famous song?

[Baby D]

Listen to the name.

[Mall]

Not the girl, but the guy. Who is the guy? Jay Z.

I don't know, bro. I don't.

[Baby D]

The celebrity.

[Rory]

I don't know, bro.

[Mall]

And then the celebrity.

[Baby D]

That's Keith Sweat. All right? The reason why Keith Sweat is crazy. Keith Sweat is great. Way older than them. How do you know Keith Sweat but.

[Mall]

Not no Nellie Crazy.

[Baby D]

I need a celebrity.

[Mall]

Isn't that.

[Rory]

No, that's not.

[Mall]

All right, but is this one of those things where it's like the fake content.

[Baby D]

No, no, this is real.

[Mall]

I think it's real. But this is why those kids are.

[Rory]

Probably like, 18, 19.

[Mall]

That's why I'd be so bad at this, like, on the street content. Because if somebody came with the idea, let's show people Nelly. I'd be like, why are we wasting our time? Everyone's gonna guess that that is crazy.

[Baby D]

That people can see a picture of Nelly. Like, young kids, 18, let's say 17, 19, 20 years old and don't know who he is.

[Mall]

Like, dude, I'm trying to.

[Rory]

But see again, the biggest artist for three years when they were like two years old.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but you can't say that, baby D. Because I knew if you showed me a picture of Marvin Gaye when I was 19, I would know.

[Rory]

Marvin Gaye is one of the biggest artists of all time.

[Baby D]

Nelly is one of the biggest rappers of all time.

[Rory]

Time in top what?

[Baby D]

What do you mean?

[Rory]

If you're doing biggest rappers of all time in top. What?

[Baby D]

I mean, definitely from his time in 2000, 2003 was.

[Rory]

That's from his rapper. Are you seeing. Marvin Gay is one of the biggest artists of all time.

[Mall]

We all share Nelly.

[Baby D]

So he has a diamond rap album.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mall]

With physical copies.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Baby D]

Okay. That's one of the biggest rap artists of all time.

[Rory]

I understand that if you go by numbers, Fetty Wap would be one of the biggest rap artists of all time.

[Mall]

Should be on this list. And best peaks.

[Rory]

And there's one of the people. There's people who would. Because the longevity was not there when it came to the career.

[Baby D]

Longevity.

[Rory]

Longevity is more important when you want the kids to know who you are.

[Baby D]

But Nelly is still currently, like, active. He's still on social media. He's still on shows. He didn't just have a peek and then disappeared forever. And we don't know.

[Rory]

He disappeared for a long time. A long time. And Nelly is back now and back doing shit. And we're seeing him because he got ash. He started dating Ashanti. That became a thing. Ashanti got pregnant at a show. Nelly disappeared for years on years on years where nobody was talking about him.

[Mall]

As much as I want to defend the youth, I still like. I feel like artists that are 30 years prior to my existence, I would know who the fuck they are.

[Rory]

There were also less artists back then. These kids are exposed to so much more music than we ever were. So much more music. And on top of that, you have.

[Mall]

Made it easier for this era, because in the 2000s, there wasn't thousands of artists the way there is now.

[Rory]

The big artists, the one who we knew about, we either learned through our parents or because they were on all types of commercials and this and that, and the albums were hanging up in the Target windows, and we were going. And physically shopping. The celebrity was so much more different. Now there's hundreds fucking of them. And if you go into your phone, if somebody's not in your algorithm, which we say all the time, if this ain't in my algorithm. I didn't even know they dropped something. I didn't even know that happened because it's not in your algorithm. Are you seeing what I'm saying? These kids have been growing up in the digital age, being accustomed to digital fucking artists like Nelly. That was. I can understand why somebody wouldn't know who Nelly was.

[Mall]

To me, the parents thing, like, maybe.

[Baby D]

It starts in the home. You're right. No, it starts in the home, Rory. You're absolutely right. It's the parents.

[Mall]

This is why the Democrats are ruining the nuclear family.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Yeah. So no one can identify Nelly. The parents. No, but that really why I know a lot of the artists before my time is because my parents were listening to them. Like, I wouldn't. If I didn't grow up in the household I grew up in. I don't know if I'd be able to spot Phil Collins out the gate. Yeah. But I can, because he was in my house.

[Rory]

And let's. And so now they're like, 18, 19. Right. Which means that their parents are probably between your age and your age. How often do y' all play Nelly?

[Baby D]

Every night before I go to bed.

[Rory]

So see what I'm saying? So, like, let's. And giving Nelly all his shit. But let's be fucking for real.

[Mall]

How often are y' all playing Nelly? I got Amara's sports set that came with. With the basketball hoop, the soccer thing, and a baseball bat. And I played Nellie batter up when she picked up the bat.

[Rory]

Okay, that's.

[Mall]

And that was. That was like, a week ago.

[Rory]

That's so cool. But that's not something that you're playing back to back to back to back. That's not what you're.

[Baby D]

No, I'm not in the crib just banging Nelly's hits back to back to back. Like, I fuck with Nelly. But if you came to my crib and you heard Nelly begging, you'd be like, yo, you going. You all right? What you doing?

[Rory]

I mean, I'm.

[Baby D]

Cause it's all in my head.

[Mall]

You better relax.

[Baby D]

That's my shit right there.

[Mall]

You better relax.

[Baby D]

That's my shit.

[Mall]

That's something I. She would play in Malefactor.

[Rory]

But that's not something that you're gonna go to to put your kids onto Nelly.

[Mall]

I'm playing Dilemma for Amara when she's, like, of age.

[Rory]

I'm sure. But when I'm talking about what you listen to regularly, it's not about playing something for Amara. It's about what you play regularly in your crib. Amara gonna sing the fuck out of Emotional fucking Oranges. She gonna know all that shit, but she's not gonna know no fucking Nelly until you put her on. Physically go and put her on to Nelly. You're gonna have to do that sometimes.

[Baby D]

You gotta let the kids do their own digging and find the greats. They have to find the legends themselves.

[Mall]

Kids don't do that anymore. Yeah.

[Baby D]

Like, I had to. I dug through the crates and saw that off the Wall album and just was like, who is this?

[Mall]

Yeah. You had to.

[Baby D]

Yeah. I discovered Michael on my own. Yeah. I didn't. My mom wasn't just playing the hits.

[Mall]

When you was a kid, you're acting like you discovered the Jumanji game.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

How far in the crate did you have to find to get to off the.

[Baby D]

It was the second one.

[Rory]

It was biggest artist of all time at his peak. When you were a child.

[Baby D]

It was the second album. It was the second album in the crate. I was like, yeah, I want to hear this. Play this one.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Nah, that. That didn't surprise me at all. It made me feel old as fuck, but it didn't surprise me at all, I guess.

[Mall]

I mean, do you think they'd be able to recognize 50?

[Rory]

Yes, but that is because of who 50 is today are. You see what I'm saying? If 50 just stopped being 50 and just disappeared, caused some cases, went away, it'd be different. But 50 is still trolling on the shade room to this day.

[Mall]

They think he's the IG influencer.

[Rory]

Yeah, exactly. Real.

[Mall]

I mean, m. Just because he's white, I'm. They'd probably know him. I mean, all the rappers look like Wayne now, so that could be. That could really, like, cross their wires.

[Baby D]

They know little Wayne, but that's my thing. Wayne came out before Nelly. How do you know Lil Wayne and not Nelly?

[Rory]

Because Wayne. Well, Wayne's. Wayne had a longer run than Nelly. A longer run? He has more kids. He has the famous baby mamas he had. Wayne has a lot that would keep.

[Baby D]

Him running as a famous fiance.

[Rory]

He Just got her.

[Baby D]

Had her for years. Broke up and got back on the block.

[Rory]

Okay. Broke up and got back together. You didn't grow up knowing that that was Lauren London's baby father. That that was Nivea's baby father. You didn't grow up knowing those things that Reg. His daughter, Lil Wayne's daughter, became so culturally relevant with the fucking kids. I guarantee Autumn kids know her because she used to go viral all the time. So then you have that his baby mother's on a fucking. On a TV show. A couple reality TV shows that they grew up watching. Like, it's. There's multiple things that go into that also. Just a longer career, more kids, more culturally relevant. He's out here. They said that Wayne, Chad, GPT said Wayne had the biggest cultural peak. Like, he ran the culture. He had the biggest peak when it came culturally.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Not numbers, but culturally. And that makes sense.

[Mall]

Not mad at that.

[Rory]

Y', all. Y'.

[Baby D]

All.

[Rory]

I love y' all sticking up for Nelly, though. I fuck with Nelly and y' all should stick up with him. But I stick up for him. But I'm not surprised them kids don't know him.

[Baby D]

I'm very surprised. Just knowing a picture of Nelly and you don't know who that is. That's that. I thought it was fake, but you can see in their reaction, they genuinely did not know who they were looking at.

[Rory]

But you know what? I wouldn't be surprised if they know a song or know the name but not recognize the face.

[Mall]

Oh, he was singing along, and then that makes it.

[Rory]

Not knowing a song. Yeah, Knowing the song and knowing the artist. Like, if they say Nelly. Oh, I know Nelly. They know who he is. But to recognize his face, especially when he was so much younger, I can understand why they thought he was Bow Wow. They don't fucking know.

[Baby D]

Thinking Nelly is Bow wow. Yeah. You know, crisscross, but not Nelly. When somebody sweat Keith Sweat, but they.

[Rory]

Obviously don't know Keith Sweat, because they could. They thought Nelly was him. So they don't know Keith Sweat. They know the name, but if you.

[Baby D]

Know the name and then you. You think that he looks like Keith Sweat, like you think you're looking at, which means in your mind, you kind of have an idea of what Keith Sweat looks like.

[Rory]

To even say Keith Sweetheart don't look nothing like Nelly.

[Baby D]

We know that. So that's my thing. It's like, how can you. In your mind, these young kids even say Keith Sweat, who was a star in the 80s and early 90s when they weren't even born, you go to Keith Sweat and you looking at Nelson, Nelly.

[Mall]

So my mom listened to. I think I remember that guy that's.

[Baby D]

Like insane like that. But just. But just think about that. They would look at Nelly and say, Keith Sweat.

[Rory]

Grandmamas was probably listening to Keith Sweat.

[Mall]

That's cool. Yeah, yeah.

[Baby D]

Because they're these. They know they're your age, 23.

[Mall]

But I was listening to Keith Sweat.

[Baby D]

He wasn't listening to Keith.

[Mall]

I mean, not in R. Not when, like at his peak. But like we listen to Keith Sweat in high school for sure.

[Baby D]

Oh, yeah. Okay.

[Mall]

Because it's timeless music.

[Rory]

Yeah, of course. But it's not like, like, you know.

[Mall]

Timeless music didn't stop at my generation. I feel like we were the last generation to listen to the timeless music before our time. I don't think these kids listen to the timeless music from my era.

[Rory]

What would you consider?

[Mall]

We listen to all the timeless music from Mall's era.

[Rory]

What do you think? What would you consider timeless music from your era?

[Mall]

I mean, we just went through the. The 2000s Rolling Stone list, which I think that that top 10 was pretty spot on. And all 10 of those albums are.

[Rory]

Time, Josh, Just so we can revisit that.

[Mall]

Of course, there's an exception to the rule. There are kids that still absolutely love music. I'm speaking in. In general, like the masses of kids. I just don't think. Because I think we. We all retain music the same way, whether it was from tapes to CDs. This era, they don't even know what that's like. Like, so I don't think they even have to go research. I think they just listen to whatever is put in their algorithm. Out the gate. You can go to number one. Josh, you don't have to show us 99. I'm sorry, not Rolling Stone. It was complex that put out the top whatever albums of the 21st century. My beautiful Doctor's a Fantasy. Give Richard. I Try in Blueprint, Anti Marshall Mathers lp. Damn. Take Care Blonde, Beyonce, House of Balloons. I think those are 10 timeless albums that I don't know if these kids are. Are listening the way I went back to Mall's era and Maul went back to his older brother's era. Like, I just don't think kids do that anymore. I think my generation was the last generation to do that as a whole.

[Rory]

What makes those albums timeless? Because there hasn't even been enough time to say that those albums are timeless.

[Baby D]

Which the ones he just named Blonde. Blonde is a timeless album.

[Mall]

It's One of the greatest written albums.

[Baby D]

You can play that any year. It's not going to sound dated. The content, the lyrics are not going to.

[Rory]

I'm not arguing about Blonde.

[Mall]

I'm not going to name is 25 years old.

[Rory]

I'm not going to. I'm not going to name which ones I'm referring to on that album. I mean on that list. Because I'm not fighting with no stand bases. But some of those albums are not, not timeless. They may feel timeless to. In my opinion, they may feel timeless to us because of how much we love them. Because they're all amazing fucking albums.

[Baby D]

We just spoke about that. I told you. I don't think my Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is better than Graduation. To me, I don't think it's a better album. I don't think it's more timeless than Graduation at all. I don't. It's a great album. But me personally, I go to graduation way before graduation.

[Mall]

How many years do you need for it to be time? Timeless.

[Rory]

I would go, I think 25 is good. I think 20 or 20. I think 20 is good. Let's do 20.

[Baby D]

If album still sounds good. 25 is the latest of time, then.

[Mall]

Give Richard I trying was 03, Blueprint was 2001 Marshall Mathers LP was 2000. Like, I. I think it's safe to say that those are timeless albums for sure. Like even when I started listening to Illmatic, Timeless album, it probably wasn't that old. Like, I don't know, 12, 13. I probably like really got into Illmatic. That came out in 94. I think everyone was pretty okay with saying Illmatic was timeless at that time.

[Baby D]

Sure.

[Mall]

So. And because hip hop is the youngest genre, I think we have a different scale of timeless as far as albums go.

[Baby D]

Like now, if you think they showed those kids a picture of Frank Ocean, they would know who he was.

[Rory]

Was.

[Mall]

I don't know.

[Rory]

I don't think so.

[Baby D]

That's crazy to me.

[Mall]

But even Frank, like at his peak, never really showed his face.

[Rory]

They're not even on. His faces are barely on his album covers. Like he's.

[Baby D]

That's okay. So to my point, Nelly being who he is, face being as recognizable as it is not to them. Not to them, but. And the picture they show was the iconic band Aid. Like that was a thing. He inspired a whole look. So for them not to know. So Frank Ocean, who is relevant, it was closer to their age than Nelly is. And they don't know who Nelly is. What the fuck do these kids know?

[Rory]

They know what's going on right now.

[Mall]

Do you think they know Usher?

[Rory]

Yes, but that's because of what Usher is doing now.

[Baby D]

Was that because of the Spain Bowl?

[Mall]

Oh, yes.

[Rory]

No, before the Super Bowls, the cherries, all of that. I'm dead.

[Mall]

Y' all are laughing. I'm laughing, but I'm not laughing at you. I'm laughing at the fact that that's. That's. That's true. Yeah.

[Baby D]

Being able to, like. Oh, that's the cherry man. That's the cherry man. Cherry man. Freddy is his name.

[Mall]

He be on skates and. Right.

[Baby D]

Yeah, yeah. He'd be skating around on the stage and skating around. What?

[Mall]

That's wild.

[Baby D]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Baby D]

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[Mall]

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[Baby D]

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[Mall]

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[Baby D]

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[Mall]

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[Mall]

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[Baby D]

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[Mall]

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[Baby D]

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[Mall]

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[Mall]

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[Baby D]

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[Mall]

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[Baby D]

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[Mall]

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[Baby D]

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[Mall]

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[Baby D]

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[Mall]

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[Baby D]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

Where are you from?

[Mall]

They want to look you in the eye.

[Baby D]

Where the future is nostalgia.

[Rory]

Talking to ChatGPT. She like you really the first lady to have a gangster girls tape in Atlanta, Georgia. Like, that's what separates you from a lot of people.

[Mall]

And I was like, you know what?

[Rory]

You right.

[Baby D]

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[Mall]

I mean, we were talking about the. The Nelly. Country grammar, Nellyville. Back to back albums. Who do you think has the best three album run of all time? Two is too easy. And by. By three album, I mean first album to third album. Can't cherry pick, you know, rappers only.

We could start with rap, but we could, we could move on. I mean, if we go outside of rap, then we're looking at. At Michael Jackson off the wall, Bad Thriller. And then I think the conversation's over.

[Baby D]

Usher got something to say.

[Rory]

To who?

[Mall]

My Way Confessions, 8701.

[Baby D]

To who the best three consecutive album run.

[Rory]

Who he got something to say to?

[Baby D]

To the conversation of best three album runs.

[Mall]

It went my way, 8701 Confessions. Right?

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I love Usher.

[Mall]

That's a. That's a crazy.

[Rory]

That's a crazy run. It ain't them three. That, that he just named from that Michael. That Jackson.

[Baby D]

No, listen.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

No, I was saying if we're dear. Like, okay. If we.

[Baby D]

Baby, let me, let me explain something to you.

[Mall]

First of all, I discovered Michael.

[Baby D]

I discovered Michael Jackson. Right. Like, I would think you talking to. Who you talking to? I'm just saying three album runs. Nelly is in the conversation. I mean, not Nelly. Usher's in the conversation.

[Rory]

Oh, they're saying best three album Run by the Numbers. Eminem.

[Baby D]

I'm not jacking that.

[Rory]

Marshall Mathers eplp, the Eminem show, and Encore by the numbers.

[Baby D]

That is incredible, though.

[Mall]

But if we're starting with his first album, was Slim Shady lp. Even Slim Shady lp, Marshall Mathers lp.

[Baby D]

Oh, you said from the first album to the third.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Was my wife Usher's first album.

[Mall]

That. I mean, I remember.

[Baby D]

Unless it was Baby D. I don't know. First album.

[Rory]

What you saying? I don't know. I was only comparing him to Michael.

[Baby D]

Jackson because I'm never comparing nobody.

[Rory]

Okay, so that's what I'm saying. Like you saying, I don't know. I agree with you on that if it's against anybody else. But I thought we were talking.

[Baby D]

But you see how crazy this is, because I remember being in la, right, and going to get breakfast and going into this restaurant, and Usher was in there eating breakfast, too, and nobody knew who he was.

[Mall]

What year was this? Was this the year you discovered Michael?

[Baby D]

Two years ago, he had his Vegas residency. And I'm sitting there.

[Mall]

Usher was sitting by himself, eating pancakes. And nobody noticed.

[Baby D]

Yes, I'm sure people noticed.

[Rory]

Left him alone.

[Baby D]

No, I'm. No, no, they did not.

[Mall]

Was this at Malibu Soho House or something?

[Baby D]

He'd be recognized there, but no, but.

[Mall]

People would leave him alone there. Like, they did not.

[Baby D]

I'm talking about people walking there, sat down. They didn't even look at him. And I'm like, yo, Usher is sitting right there eating breakfast by herself, and people are just walking in, sitting down, and nobody's even looking at. Like, nobody even, like, gave him the salute. Like, I said, what's up to him? Cause he left through the back. I was sitting in the back and he walked past me and I just gave him, like, a salute. Like, I didn't say much to him, but, like, the fact that Usher is who he is and he was sitting in a fucking restaurant in California, in la, having breakfast, and nobody in the restaurant even, like, looked at him and acknowledged him was insane to me. This is two years ago. I'm talking about. He had his Vegas residency already. So that's what I'm saying. It's like. And it wasn't young kids in the restaurant. It was people my age, maybe a little younger.

[Rory]

Like, what color were they?

[Baby D]

It was Asians. White, black, like. Like it was all type of people in there. Nobody even. And I purposely looked at that to see if anybody was gonna fan out and be like. Cause you would have a right to fan out. If you walk into a restaurant Usher sitting there by herself, eating, you're like, what the fuck? Like, it's one of the greatest R and B artists of all time. Nobody even looked at him.

[Rory]

If I seen Usher in a restaurant, I'm gonna pretend Usher ain't there too. But I've always felt like that way.

[Baby D]

You had Bower hanging from your ceiling and shot an episode with him and said nothing to him. You may have said hello, and that was it.

[Rory]

Yeah, I don't, I don't. I want them to feel. I can only imagine how hard it is to live your life being that famous. I don't want to be another stressor added on to it. Live your fucking life. I'm not going to tell you.

[Baby D]

I'm not saying nobody should have ran up to him and asked for pictures while he was eating pancakes.

[Mall]

No, no.

[Baby D]

But nobody even said hello.

[Mall]

I mean, I don't. We joke about me and my fandom, but like in real life, off the mic, I would leave Usher alone. Of course. I'd be like, oh shit, that's Usher. But I would never say, yeah, I didn't bother him.

[Baby D]

I didn't say.

[Mall]

I said no, no, no peace to.

[Baby D]

Him when he was leaving.

[Mall]

But I think. I think most people, people ironically are like that. At least in major cities.

[Rory]

Yeah, like you saying nobody recognized him. I'm sure that somebody recognized him. I think people just left him alone, which is nice.

[Baby D]

I get it.

[Mall]

Like in New York, that's pretty common. Like Chris walks down Bleecker street, nobody's gonna bother him except for us when we're shooting a promo. Yeah, but at least we had a purpose. Yeah, we were working, but we look nuts doing it. Even people were looking at us like, why are you filming them?

[Baby D]

Like, yeah, that's Chris. Leave him alone.

[Mall]

He's fucking.

[Baby D]

He's here every day. He walks every day.

[Rory]

Well, going back to the biggest three album by the numbers. So they said Eminem has the first one. They said the runner up would be Drake would take care. Nothing was the same in views as far as sales. Said he has huge streaming numbers, but nowhere near Em's physical sales. Still the Most dominant streaming era 3 album run.

[Mall]

I don't really care about the sales.

[Rory]

But I mean, but that sales do matter, especially if you're talking about back then.

[Mall]

If, if I Add Drake to this list if it's not. If you don't have to go with the first three. If you do, nothing was the same. Take care. If you're. No. Was it views or.

[Rory]

It was Take care. Nothing was the same to views.

[Mall]

That's. That's one of the most insane three album runs in history. But let's stick with the one to three. I think Kanye, College dropout, late registration y to graduation is absolutely insane. Not for nothing, I think Wayne Carter 1 through 3 is crazy. I know Carter 1 isn't like revered the way a lot of people's is, but I put that there for sure.

[Baby D]

So according to hip hop pop, he said Jay's peak. Well, he acts like one year peak. He said 98 to 03. The garden as the single moment.

[Mall]

The fade to black. Fade to black. Okay. When he. When he passed the city over to you and bleak. That makes sense.

[Baby D]

Look who he passed it to.

[Mall]

Happy birthday, ho. By the way.

[Rory]

No, it's not. His birthday's tomorrow. Oh, yeah.

[Mall]

Come this comes out tomorrow. Tomorrow.

[Rory]

You're right.

[Mall]

I'm just looking online too.

[Baby D]

How old is Jay today? 60. 56.

[Rory]

56.

[Baby D]

Damn, she's born 69 or 70.

[Mall]

69, I think.

[Baby D]

69.

[Mall]

Pause.

[Rory]

He. He will be 56 tomorrow.

[Baby D]

Today.

[Rory]

Oh, today. Yes, sorry, 56 today.

[Mall]

So we don't leave our Southern listeners out ti trap music, urban legend and King is a is a crazy three. That is a crazy three for sure. Sure. You could argue those are three classic albums.

Especially if you're from Atlanta.

Nas, I like I am, but I'm biased there. But I think Illmatic, it was written I Am is is a crazy three.

[Baby D]

Well, it was written in Illmatic. Absolutely.

[Mall]

I liked I am, but I see.

[Baby D]

Why I Am was a good album, but it's.

[Mall]

It wasn't those two. Kendrick, Good Kid, Pimple Butterfly, Dan, Ham.

[Rory]

I mean, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's a good run.

[Baby D]

Very good three.

[Mall]

They did sell section 80. Like, that's always been a weird debate. Is Good Kid Mad City his first album or not? Because this is first album. I think it is as well. But I've seen people argue it very well. Like, dude, it was sold on iTunes for 9.99. What? Like that's not a mixtape. Yeah, especially during that era. But even section 80, good kid, mad city, pimple butterfly is a crazy three.

[Rory]

What about Pluto? Honest and dirty. Sprite two.

[Mall]

Yeah, it's nuts. I'm not mad at that at all.

[Baby D]

Drake's first three.

[Rory]

Pluto, Honest, Dirty, Sprite.

[Mall]

Two.

[Baby D]

Yeah, no, I heard what you said. Drake's first three.

[Mall]

I like thank Me later, but it's pretty low on my Drake discography.

[Rory]

It's higher on mine than people would think.

[Mall]

So I. I really. I really like thank Me later, but I don't know if it. It's in the conversation. That's why I was saying when he was texting Hop, if it went.

Nothing was the same. Take care to views like, that's the craziest 3 album to me.

Outcast, Southern Playlistic Cadillac, Funky Music at Aliens Equi.

[Baby D]

God damn.

[Mall]

Yeah. I don't know that. That might take it for me.

[Baby D]

Do artists even put out three consecutive, like, great albums anymore?

[Rory]

They barely put out albums.

[Baby D]

They barely put out three, Right? They barely put out three albums. Artists barely get three albums out.

[Mall]

I didn't even think about this. Mary, what's the four on one? My Life, Share My World. Let me tell you something, that's a crazy three.

[Baby D]

Let me tell you something, what's the four One, One drop.

[Mall]

That was two.

[Baby D]

Y' all don't even know how Mary the City up with that.

[Rory]

Fuck the City up with that one.

[Baby D]

Mary the city up. But what's the 411?

[Mall]

Would you say it was comparable to how Nelly the City up with the party. Barclays.

[Baby D]

Nah, what Mary did was a little different.

Mary J. Blige or Lauryn hill. What's the 411 or the miseducation.

[Mall]

They're not really comparable. They're like diff. They're completely different albums.

[Baby D]

Different sounds, different energy, different everything. Two totally different artists. But when what's the 411 drop, man? Jesus Christ. Like, you couldn't go. You couldn't. You couldn't stand outside for 10 minutes and not hear a car ride. By playing. I'm talking about guys. Girl. Like, everybody was playing that in their cars, like Mary. And again, I'm speaking strictly off of growing up in New York. I don't know what Mary was doing on the west coast or the Midwest, but in New York City, when what's the 411 drop? That's all you heard. Because the sound, it was R and B, but it was. The music was hip hop.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

You know what I mean? So it was easy to play it. Guys didn't feel too, like, sexied out, you know, driving down in a Honda Accord hatchback, bumping that shit, like. Cause it had beat to it. It had. You know, the music was hip hop. But what Mary did over those beats was. Yeah, she had New York turned upside down.

[Rory]

So I did R and B by numbers. Just so we always acknowledge numbers, usher is number one with My Way, 8701 and Confessions.

[Baby D]

What do you know what a kawinke dink?

[Rory]

Number two would be Beyonce with Dangerously in love bday. And I am Sasha Fear. And then number three will be Whitney with her debut. Whitney. And then I'm your baby tonight.

[Baby D]

Damn. I'm your baby.

[Rory]

Mariah's 4 and Mary is 5.

[Mall]

If you're not starting at the first album, Beyonce 4 to Beyonce to Lemonade. I think clipped gives. Gives.

[Rory]

Hang it up. Flat screen.

[Mall]

That's kind of the craziest three. Flat screen. I mean, I. I know it's because of his birthday. I like volume. Reasonable doubts of volume one to volume two is still a crazy three to me. But people. People would. Would take volume one as, like, the thank me later of that one.

[Baby D]

Yeah, they don't. For some reason, they. They didn't like volume one.

[Mall]

Not.

[Baby D]

I thought volume one was great. I still listen to volume one.

[Mall]

Yeah. But I mean, it probably doesn't compete with Blueprint to Black Album. Well, not Blueprint three. Yeah. Jay has a weird discography in that. That or order. I don't know. I'm leaning on the rap side. It's probably Kanye for me personally. I would say personally. College dropout, late registration, graduation to me is probably it for me.

[Baby D]

College dropout.

Late registration, graduation.

[Mall]

Yeah. Kendrick would be close there as well.

[Baby D]

That. That Kanye 3 is crazy.

[Rory]

I don't know why. Thank me.

[Mall]

Anytime I try to have rap debates, I go back to, like, reality. Not even, like, what I'm thinking in my brain. And it usually lands on Kanye West.

[Baby D]

That Kanye 3 is crazy. Like, you know the music that's on those three albums.

[Rory]

Maybe it's my. Maybe it's because I'm a little bit younger than you. I. I don't know how you're. And I don't want to say you're downplaying thank me later, but I just remember when thank me later came out.

[Mall]

I love thank me later. I just think, like, Drake ascended. Going from thank me later then going to Nothing was the same. I'm sorry. Take care. Then to nothing was the same was like, yes, he jump from thank you.

[Baby D]

The jump from thank you later to Take care.

[Mall]

It's. It's insane. And then keep on.

[Baby D]

It don't even sound like the same. It almost don't even sound like the same artist. When you listen to thank me later and then listen to Take care It's.

[Mall]

Actually similar to Kanye where you. You sound like. It doesn't even sound like the same voice. Yeah, College dropouts at graduation doesn't even sound like the same person.

So I hear you, but I'm sorry, I'm rolling.

[Rory]

I'm rolling with Drake's first three over Kanye's first three. But that could just be a.

[Mall]

All right, do you prefer a college dropout or thank me Later?

[Rory]

Thank me later.

[Mall]

Interesting. Okay.

[Rory]

Thank Me later is in my top four favorite dropouts.

[Mall]

I was gonna go in order, so late registration verse. Take care.

[Rory]

Take care, care.

[Mall]

Not mad at that. Then graduation versus nothing was the same. Like, I'm not mad. Listen, I'm not even here to like really. You know, I think the only one I would give you push back on is thank me Later College dropout. Cuz to me that's an easy college dropout one. But the up two and three are up for debate and I wouldn't be mad at anyone in that regard. Yeah.

But yeah, those would be, I guess the. The best three if you're doing two. Get Rich Massacre, Nelly, Nellyville, Illmatic. It was written College dropout. Late registration.

Probably takes the the two category for me as far as that goes. But then again, Slim Shady LP and Marshall Mathers LP are both incredible.

I just think M sucks now. I didn't think he sucked then.

[Baby D]

No.

[Mall]

Back in like 4M albums.

[Rory]

You think Eminem makes timeless music? Not giving my opinion on this. You think Eminem makes timeless music?

[Mall]

No, and not by my definition. That's only because of the content in which I heard it. I was 10 years old listening to Marshall Mathers LP and the thought of how dangerous it was that I was 10 and hiding it from my mom added to the factor of the entire thing. It was like shock jock Howard Stern type of thing.

[Baby D]

You had to hide that album.

[Mall]

Yeah, I had to hide Country Grammar.

[Baby D]

And then.

[Mall]

Then my mom found it and broke it a half.

[Baby D]

What? Why?

[Mall]

Because it. The intro is you can find me.

All this. I'm got.

The intro is others just smoke and all day. That's the intro. And my mom was like, no, got you.

[Baby D]

So it's funny that that's his album that his. His mom would let your grammar and mine was Doggy Style Snoop drastically.

[Mall]

My mother would have had an.

[Baby D]

You know, the content, the difference.

And Country Grammar. Oh, my God.

[Mall]

Yeah. Country Grammar wasn't even crazy.

[Baby D]

Country Grammar was like Miss Rachel compared to what Snoop was saying on Doggy Style. You know what Snoop was saying on Doggy Style? It ain't no fun if the homies can't have. I'm always like, turn that shit.

[Mall]

Yeah. It's essentially a song about gang rape.

[Baby D]

And now my mom knows. She probably knows what Snoop is doing right now. Like, that's how much my mom loves Snoop now.

[Rory]

Like, I was never banned from listening to music. And when I look back, I should have. Like, I should not have been listening to the deep Janet Jackson cuts at 8 years old. Like that probably shaped the way that I am today. But it was always movies. I. They never banned me from music. Cuz my father.

[Baby D]

You look like you was in the house dancing slow to that's the Way Love Goes.

[Rory]

There's so many worse songs.

[Mall]

Yeah, there's so. Especially if you look at that song from the surface level as a kid, you wouldn't think it would be.

[Rory]

It was bad. It was. She. She has that to this day. Is like. Like when my dad was talking about wap. I'm like, you had me listening to Jen it very young. It's way worse. Way worse. She got songs that sound just like. What?

[Baby D]

Go deeper, go deeper. It feels so good. I'm about to cry.

[Mall]

But you don't know what that means at that time.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but Baby D was like 10 screaming that shit.

[Mall]

No, she was internalizing it for sure. She didn't know at the time, but.

[Baby D]

It would be like 10 years old singing that vocal. Go deeper, baby, deeper. I would have beat my daughter ass if I came in and she was singing that shit.

[Mall]

No, my dad never cared. Like, I remember I left my CD book on the bus when I went to go see him. And it was one of the most distraught days of my entire life.

[Baby D]

You want to go see who my dad.

[Mall]

I left my CD like case. Oh, all of the CDs on the bus.

[Baby D]

Oh my God.

[Mall]

And thank God I let all my.

[Baby D]

That was like losing your phone.

[Mall]

I would throw my phone against a brick wall right now if I could go back to that day to get all my CDs and. But thank God I let all my friends burn all my CDs. So I had copies to do that. But my dad saw how distraught I was and he took me to the CD store and he let me buy Mobb Deep Murder.

[Baby D]

That was the makeup for it.

[Mall]

And then let me put it in his jeep like we left and he let me play it.

[Baby D]

That made up for your entire collection. Like, let me get this new. This new mob.

[Mall]

No, he saw how destruct. Like shout out to my pops. He. He saw that I Was, like, hurt.

[Baby D]

No, that was. That was losing your CD collection.

[Mall]

I was. Lost my life.

[Baby D]

Yeah, that's. That was losing everything. You lost that. It was like, what do you do now? What do I listen to? CDs.

[Mall]

I still have mine. That. All the burnt ones.

[Baby D]

I think my mom may have all my CDs.

[Mall]

I still have mine all big ass.

[Rory]

My mother threw away that whole crooked ass bookshelf y' all made fun of in that video. She threw away all my.

[Baby D]

Oh, no, that's. No, listen, when you used to go away for the summer, that was your mom's. Your parents. Time to, like, renovate and do the whole. Yo, I remember I went.

[Mall]

The.

[Baby D]

Went away once some. I came back, moms did the room over. Yo, I didn't even recognize my room. I was like, who's supposed to sleep here? All of this is new. Like, where's all my at for.

[Mall]

For Patreon or something? I have to look at my storage. I have my CD booklet. I have all my posters still, too. Oh, I'll bring them in for, like, a Patreon episode that we could just go through my. My CD case and. And all the posters that I have in trash bags, like, rolled up, go down. I think there's a Belly poster in there.

[Baby D]

Like the movie Belly. That's crazy.

[Mall]

Posters.

[Baby D]

But posters was a thing, though. I remember seeing posters in the subway. Like, damn.

[Mall]

Defined who you were.

[Rory]

My dad used to steal them.

[Mall]

Your identity.

[Rory]

My Harry Potter one and my Janet Jackson.

[Baby D]

He had the razor blade and he just cut it out.

[Rory]

He stole them and brought it home. And he bought it home from the subway to Syracuse. Like, he bought it home from.

[Baby D]

Oh, okay.

[Mall]

We have some of my posters here. The Illmatic shit that's been in the background. The miseducation. Those are all like. I didn't buy those as an adult. Those are from my childhood. The James Brown one my dad ripped off the wall at BB Kings. Like, you know, sometimes you got posters work.

[Baby D]

I need that thing.

[Rory]

Damn, yo, that just made me really, like, reminisce. Yo, I'm a childhood. I hate being an adult.

[Mall]

Yeah, no, it sucks you're trying to be an adult.

[Baby D]

When you was a child, the. You was singing, listening to. Yeah. You couldn't wait to be an adult, huh?

[Rory]

I really couldn't wait to be an adult as a kid. I couldn't wait. I thought I was. So I graduated early. I was like, I don't want to. I hate high school. I hated high school since the moment I got in. I wanted to Be grown so bad. I want to.

[Baby D]

And now look at you. You want to go back. It's just the bills. You just hate paying bills.

[Rory]

I hate.

[Baby D]

That's all adults. Hey, we just hate paying for. That's it. But you don't mind like being an.

[Rory]

Adult drinking and smoking and is pretty cool.

[Baby D]

I mean that's pretty. It's pretty cool.

[Mall]

But I did that as a teenager and I wasn't as responsible.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but everybody wasn't as privileged as.

[Mall]

You were to drink, smoke and fight. Was really easy. I know we have a lot of teenage listeners, so I don't want to steer them off the path, but it's really easy to go out there to find something to smoke, drink and.

[Baby D]

Oh man.

[Mall]

So you know.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Do what feels right, kids.

[Baby D]

All right, well this was fun. Yeah, fun, fun, fun. Trip down memory lane talking about music.

[Rory]

Well, there was one more question you guys had on here.

[Baby D]

Okay.

[Rory]

Which was what would you rather be Fetty Wap or Freddy Gibbs?

[Mall]

Well, all right, you have to have context.

[Baby D]

I'd rather be Freddy Gibbs. Freddy Wap is serving federal time.

[Mall]

There was context to first of all add the context.

[Rory]

Cuz I wasn't there for the context.

[Mall]

No, it was about. We were having the peak conversation. Would you rather have have a longer, slower burn of a career or a crazy high peak like Fetty owned whatever summer 2014. That was Freddie. Freddie probably didn't get his just due until 10 years into his career. I'm. I go with. Outside of the federal things Fetty's going through, I would go with Freddy just because I think you have a longer career that way. But I don't know. Freddie could probably when he gets out, I'm sure we'll get booked for a bunch of shit.

[Rory]

And how smart am I with my money? Because I'd rather make the money fast, invest it and never have to be a celebrity.

[Mall]

Listen man, Vanilla Ice had that song and now it's like one of the biggest real estate people in California.

[Rory]

You know what I'm saying? Like, that's what like let me get the money in now without all this hard work. Well, I won't say that Fetty didn't work hard because we don't know how long he was grinding behind the scenes.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Either way he has them hit songs that fucking amazing run.

[Mall]

12 baby mothers will chop down a lot of that bread. I just want to start there. It's 12 of them like that nine.

[Baby D]

Look it up, look it up. Chad. GBT. How many baby mothers has fed the.

[Mall]

Fact that we're burning like oil in the middle of the country for Chat GBT to tell us how many baby mothers Fetty has.

[Baby D]

Yeah, it.

Six baby mamas. And like, the fact that they said baby mamas. That's what Chat GPT says. Six baby mamas.

[Mall]

Mother of his children.

[Baby D]

He doesn't have six baby mamas.

[Mall]

Was.

[Rory]

Six kids with five women. Okay, that's not bad.

[Baby D]

It's not bad. That's not bad. It's crazy.

[Mall]

What's a rookie number? Rookie number six. You know, I mean, a young boy. Pull up, pull up. A real champion, y'.

[Rory]

All. Y' all never heard of what's Mariah Carey baby father name? Nick Cannon.

[Baby D]

We never talked about Nick Cannon. Like, what is he going through?

Like, what's up with Nick? We never really sat and really, like, dove into, like, what's up with Nick?

[Mall]

Just a. A bird feeder that got knocked over.

[Baby D]

How many. How many baby mothers does nick can have?

[Rory]

10, if I'm not mistaken.

[Mall]

He could definitely field.

Around 10 kids.

[Rory]

He has six baby mothers.

[Mall]

10 kids?

Yep.

[Baby D]

12 kids, six women. God damn thing.

[Mall]

Mariah in the group chats.

[Baby D]

No, no.

Elon Musk has 14 kids with four women.

[Mall]

Are Republicans not outraged by.

[Rory]

Hear me out. I like being black. I like it a lot. Wouldn't mind being one of Elon Musk kids. I'm just saying he has a black kid.

[Mall]

Yeah, but your name would be control, alt, delete, or whatever the. I don't like he names his kids. Like, that's fine.

[Rory]

I be.

[Baby D]

One of his kids is a. I.

[Rory]

Will control delete your ass.

[Baby D]

One of his kids is trans and he took that kid out the wheel. I don't know if I wanted to be opposite sex or bad with my.

[Mall]

Daughter, but if you're gonna have 14 kids, you'd like just going off the math. One of them may end up being trans.

[Baby D]

Is that the numbers 1 in 14?

[Mall]

I don't think so.

[Baby D]

Less than 1%. I love that Josh has those numbers right here. But Fetty Wap.

[Mall]

Baby mothers in the frontal lobe. But he gotta Google members of Incense.

[Baby D]

He gotta chat gbt. How many baby mothers.

[Mall]

Google? But.

[Baby D]

But knowing that The TRANS is 1% of the population.

[Rory]

Less than 1%.

[Baby D]

Less than 1% of the population.

[Mall]

But Damaris, that's a good point. Like if I was MC Hammer with a good accountant. I don't know.

That may be better than grinding it out for. For 25 years, getting a core fan base and hitting the road.

[Rory]

Yeah, honestly.

[Mall]

Honestly, like, damn.

[Baby D]

See Ham. A movie.

[Mall]

A series Would be crazy.

[Baby D]

We need an MC Hammer series of.

[Mall]

Movies because you need in the Navy one being a cr.

[Baby D]

Y' all don't know. Y' all don't know exactly how big of a star MC Hammer was. I know y' all know cuz y' all was too young if y' all were even born yet.

[Mall]

I think we have an understanding because he's just part of pop culture. Only few people just become fam.

[Baby D]

Like, MC Hammer.

[Mall]

Hammer dance is like McDonald's to me. Like, it's. It's just that. So, no, we don't know, but we have an understanding.

[Baby D]

MC Hammer was.

[Rory]

But. So y' all are going to be pissed at me, right? I would be one of them kids because I know who MC Hammer is. I know how to do the MC Hammer dance. If you show me a picture of MC Hammer, I would not.

[Baby D]

If I put a lineUp on the TV right now.

[Mall]

Does he have Hammer pants on?

[Rory]

Huh?

[Mall]

Does he have Hammer pants on?

[Rory]

Okay, well, that's different.

[Baby D]

You know MC Hammer, but if you just see.

[Rory]

If I just see his face. But I nelly a have Air Force ones on and his pictures. You can see his Air Force ones. You ain't know.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but he had the Band Aid. You know he did have that. Yeah.

[Rory]

I have no idea what MCM looks like.

[Mall]

No. Would you know what Johnny Gill looks like? That's the point of sisters, really. Okay.

[Rory]

No.

No clue.

[Baby D]

That's the point of sisters.

[Rory]

No clue.

[Mall]

Ideal for one.

[Baby D]

Y' all don't know the point of sisters. That's.

[Mall]

That's Spicoli from. No, that's Fast Times of Ridgemont High.

[Baby D]

That's. What's my guy's name? Damn.

[Mall]

I don't know who that is, but is that like the Nelliest age.

This is? Okay, what's this? I apologize to the kids, cuz. I don't know.

[Baby D]

This is Rod Stewart.

[Mall]

Oh, I mean, I know who Rod Stewart is, obviously.

[Baby D]

Hot Rod.

[Mall]

Yeah, Hot Rod. No, he was in Junit.

Every Halloween costume ever.

[Rory]

I know who she is, but I don't know the name. I don't know the name.

[Baby D]

She plays the guitar.

[Rory]

Loves battle.

[Baby D]

Love is a battle field. What's her name? Pat Benatar. Oh, that's my guy.

[Mall]

No, I know.

[Baby D]

That's Rory, P.E. and Benner.

[Mall]

After spending a lot of time in Brooklyn.

[Baby D]

ZZ Top.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Baby D]

Josh thought he was throwing me off with ZZ Top. Josh don't know how to. I was. I listen to all of that, man. I was in all of them crates, man. I was digging through all of that, man.

[Rory]

But it has a lot to do with. With also with parentage. Because, like, I wouldn't recogn a lot of members of New Edition because my parents were older, so my dad only listened to rap and like, Michael Franks and like that. And my mother listened. My mother was older, so she listened to, like, 70s, like,'60s music. So 90s R B. I suck at 90s R B knowledge. I'm terrible at it as far as.

[Baby D]

Like, pointing out the artist, being able to, like, see.

[Rory]

No, because my little sister went back and re. Like, went and listened to all that stuff. I didn't. I stayed listening into 60s, 70s, and then current. I did not. I like 90s R&B, but I'm not.

[Baby D]

As you listen to music from the 60s. Who's your favorite artist from the 60s?

[Rory]

Oh, God.

Blue Magic, Commodores. Like old? Like old. Like old. I would say 60s. I would say 70s, not 60s, 70s.

[Baby D]

So you was going to the, like.

[Rory]

Old town like that.

[Mall]

That plenty of music from the 60s that I listen to.

[Baby D]

Motown.

[Mall]

Yes. Sliding Family Stones. I. I like the Beatles. Rolling Stones. I'll give the Beach Boys a spin.

[Baby D]

Yo, get the out. I give the Beach Boys a spin.

[Mall]

I don't consider Marvin Gay. I mean. Yeah, I guess Marvin Gaye. 60s too. James Brown, Jimi Hendrix.

[Baby D]

Yeah, you mean the legends.

[Mall]

Yeah. No, I don't know, like the underground garage bands of have no idea. Not dope. I don't know who the immortal technique of the 60s is.

[Rory]

Immortal technique?

[Mall]

But, like, yeah, my mom played Janice Joplin when I was growing up. Janice a script.

[Baby D]

Janice got some burn in the house for sure.

[Mall]

You know that Van Morrison. A lot of people aren't up.

[Baby D]

They don't know about Van. You know what I'm saying? They don't know what he was doing, man. Yeah, you know, that's hilarious.

[Mall]

Ray Charles never got his just due.

[Baby D]

Oh, man, this was fun.

[Mall]

Good music podcast.

[Baby D]

Yeah, man, I'm go home and listen to some. Some old 60s music music now because of y'.

[Rory]

All.

[Baby D]

Let the 60s burn tonight. All right, well, we'll talk to y' all soon. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that he's just ginger. Happy birthday hov. No worry about.

Mall.

[Mall]

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[Baby D]

Exactly. Life doesn't come with a budget app, but the Klarna card feels like it should.

[Mall]

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[Baby D]

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[Mall]

For the Klarna card by downloading the Klarna app or learn [e-mail] US Klarna.

[Baby D]

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[Mall]

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[Baby D]

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[Mall]

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[Baby D]

Milano mint chocolate, so rich.

[Mall]

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[Baby D]

And Linza Raspberry A holiday classic.

[Mall]

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[Baby D]

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[Mall]

Social services have been called in. I've known you for 10 years. How could you make that call?

[Baby D]

These rich families. Concealing things seems to come naturally.

[Mall]

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[Baby D]

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[Mall]

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[Baby D]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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