Episode 430 | I Love You, Man

Summary

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New Rory & MAL – Episode 430: "I Love You, Man"

Date: December 5, 2025
Podcast by: iHeartPodcasts & The Volume
Hosts: Rory & Mal (with Peach & occasional guests)

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into a mix of cultural commentary, laughs, and hot takes—focusing on everything from “overrated action movie heroes” to a deep, unfiltered discussion of the Diddy “The Reckoning” documentary. The crew also debates the real-world impact of exposé documentaries, friendships among men and women, music streaming habits, and the consequences (or lack thereof) for problematic celebrities.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Holiday Vibes & NYC Commercialism

• The hosts start with typical banter on the December/holiday atmosphere in New York—Mall is for the holiday energy, Rory is unmoved:
  • Rory: “Don’t you just love December?” (03:17)
  • Rory: “Not me. You don’t want to just walk down 5th Ave and just take in all the commercialism.” (03:35)
• They joke about the city’s décor (like the giant Louis Vuitton suitcase) and the city’s ever-present construction.

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2. Pop Culture: Action Heroes & Movie Absurdity

• Group debate on overrated action movie characters:
  • Peach: “Who do y’all think is the most overrated of like those guys? Like the Jason Bournes...John Wick...” (06:23)
  • Rory: “I never got into John Wick. And I love Keanu Reeves...” (06:42)
  • Fast & Furious stunts get roasted (cars flying between skyscrapers, Ludacris and Tyrese love).
• Absurd movie logic gets called out (Mark Wahlberg as a one-man Boston Marathon savior; action heroes surviving wild scenarios).

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3. Main Focus: Diddy "The Reckoning" Docuseries

Initial Reactions & Anticipation

• Both host rushed to watch before anticipated takedown due to legal threats.
  • Mall: “I rushed back to the house to watch it because I thought it was gonna get taken down...” (09:25)
  • Rory: “If everything in that doc is real and true...I think we all owe a lot of people, like, damn.” (10:03)

Major Takeaways & Controversies

• Moral Accountability:

  • Both hosts express shock at revelations—"How did this continue to just happen right in front of us?" (10:10)
  • Questioning not just Diddy’s actions but the public’s tendency to look away:
    • Mall: “We pretend like we care...” (10:10)

• Biggie’s Funeral Funding Dispute:

  • Documentary claims funeral costs came from Biggie's recording budget, but this is disputed live on air.
  • Rory: “...if any of that is true that’s fucking crazy.” (12:33)
  • Peach: “Don’t most humans pay for their own funerals?...” (13:29)

• Puff’s Pattern of Self-Preservation:

  • Noting Diddy’s career always seems to rise after tragic events involving those close to him.
  • Rory: “How come you the only one that benefited from these tragedies?...” (21:27)

• On Abuse & Industry Manipulation:

  • The hosts dig into both Diddy’s personal behavior and the wider music industry exploitation:
    • Mall: “[Diddy] always going to self preserve no matter what” (23:03)
    • Discussing juror challenges in high-profile abuse cases: “It's hard to tell a jury to find somebody guilty of this when you have more footage of them on vacations together after that...” (19:50)
    • Comments on victims struggling with self-advocacy and the culture of silence.

• Questions of Documentary Fairness & Impact:

  • The group argues over whether one proven exaggeration discredits all allegations.
  • Mall: “...that's what lawyers use to be like, see, this case is bullshit, so everything must be bullshit. And that's never really what it is.” (16:26)

Consequences & Cultural Impact

• Does It Matter? Is There Real Justice?

  • “What does it mean? Because people still stood next to him after that Cassie video came out.” – Rory (34:05)
  • Discussion on whether exposé docs create change or just fleeting outrage.

• Brand Loss vs. True Accountability:

  • Peach: “You lose things like brand deals and the ability to win a Grammy, but that's really it...People don't give a fuck about women...” (35:58)
  • Rory and Mall debate if/when Diddy will return—will the culture really change, or just wait for the storm to pass?

• Unique Moments & Quotes:

  • Most memorable:
    • Mall: “Puff came across as probably the greatest self preservation human being I’ve ever seen.” (23:03)
    • Rory: “Around every tragic thing that happened in his life, he was the one that came out of it.” (20:52)

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4. Side Tangents: Industry Exploitation Stories

• Discussion about Lil Rod, the Diddy doc whistleblower/producer, being strung along and underpaid.
  • Mall: “...he got 29,000 out of 250,000 in pups that he was gonna give him.” (29:11)
  • Rory: “There’s so many people that have a story like that in the industry, produce some incredible records…and just get flown out to Italy on a yacht...it's just fucked up.” (29:42)
• Aubrey O’Day’s harrowing allegations and the mental impact on victims are given emotional weight and sympathy.

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5. Celebrity Fallouts, Accountability, and Social Media

• Game’s “Free Diddy” comments lead to a debate on when and how artists (and fans) should leave problematic figures behind.
  • Rory: “I just think when you somebody like Game...you gotta be very careful of the things you say, man.” (54:31)
• The group highlights defamation lawsuits in hip-hop (e.g., Megan Thee Stallion's court win against bloggers) and how legal action is starting to impact "blog culture."
  • Winning $59,000 in damages sends a warning: “...people are going to think twice about posting something about Meg...She’ll go and sue you.” – Mall (56:50-57:16)

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6. Friendship, Gender Double Standards, and Adult Socializing

• The title “I Love You, Man” sets up an honest, hilarious exploration of adult male friendship.

• Is it weird for men to make new friends as adults?

  • Mall: “...as a grown adult, he needs to go out and find male friends so he can have a wedding party...” (87:06)
  • Debate about why men avoid making new friends (fear of seeming gay, fear of danger, lack of social scripts).
  • Peach: “That’s why the male loneliness epidemic…y’all ain’t got no friends because y’all be afraid to meet people.” (71:54)
  • “If I go to a bar and a random man just starts having conversations with me and he’s not the one making my drinks—get the fuck away from me.” – Rory (76:10)
  • Contrast with women who more easily form friendships in adulthood.

• On Best Friends and Loyalty:

  • The male hosts explain that for men, "best friend" status is about time and trust, not constant contact.
    • Mall: “It's...experiences. It's also going through things together. And then just that bond of like, we cannot speak for three months...pick up right where we left off.” (73:20)

• Funny, Candid Reflections:

  • “Don’t play gay games with me. You going to find out you what.” – Mall (66:25)
  • Peach: “That's how I found out I was gay. I found that out from playing gay and then realizing, oh, I'm not playing.” (65:33)

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7. Music Streaming Wrap-Ups & "What Did You Listen To?"

• The crew shares their end-of-year Spotify and Apple Music stats—honest confessions about which artists and albums dominated their streams.
  • Rory: “1.7 million listeners, 266,000 hours, 6 million streams, 183 countries for an album that’s came out in 2023.” (94:11)
  • Mall & Peach: Share their lists, discussing guilty pleasures, surprises, and how often “album-oriented” listening means the same songs get repeated.

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8. Light-Hearted Debates & Anecdotes

• Side debates about male/female friendship formation, why men can’t “just make friends,” and wild stories about inadvertently hanging out with “rats” (snitches).

  • Hilarious bits about sports culture (“good game” ass slapping), white frat boy games, jersey swapping, and accidental outings.

• Unforgettable lines:

  • “Either he’s trying to take me home or he’s trying to take my kidney—one of the other.” – Rory (76:17)
  • “I've never met a random man at a bar, and we're still friends to this day. Let me just put that out there.” – Rory (70:32)
  • “Either way, an organ is involved.” – Mall (76:28)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “How the fuck did this continue to just happen right in front of us? And nobody, you know, and y'all know all the time, I always say people don't care. Like, we. We pretend like we care....” — Mall (10:10)
• “Around every tragic thing that happened in his life, he was the one that came out of it.” — Rory (20:52)
• “People don't give a fuck if you beat or rape women. Nobody cares about that. They will somehow find a way to blame the women.” — Peach (36:16)
• “Puff came across as probably the greatest self preservation human being I’ve ever seen.” — Mall (23:03)
• “Don’t play gay games with me. You going to find out you what.” — Mall (66:25)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |------------------------------------------------------|-------------| | Holiday banter & NYC holiday talk | 03:15–04:34 | | Overrated movie action heroes | 06:23–08:54 | | Start of Diddy Documentary Discussion | 09:12 | | Biggie’s Funeral Debate & Music Industry Exploitation| 12:07–15:30 | | Legal fallout, moral responsibility, & public reaction| 35:02–40:44 | | The “I Love You, Man” Male Friendship Debate | 86:45–88:05 | | Streaming Wrap-Ups, Spotify, & Apple Music Stats | 92:14–105:47 | | Sports, Friendship & Socialization as Adults | 66:16–82:06 | | Notable Quotes and Best Friend Philosophizing | 73:05–75:47 |

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Summary & Takeaways

• This episode offers a raw, unpredictable conversation weaving between culture, friendship, and serious moral questions surrounding celebrities and accountability.
• The Diddy doc sparks their sharpest reflection: the limits of “calling out” abusers, the complicity of fans and the industry, and the challenge of true justice in entertainment.
• Regular listeners will appreciate signature moments of humor, candid personal revelations, and the group’s willingness to speak unfiltered on taboo or difficult subjects.

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If you haven’t listened, this summary gives you everything you need—insight into the doc’s revelations, personal and cultural analysis, and a round-up of the year in their own lives and in music.

Transcript

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

No worrying now.

[Mall]

Welcome back, December. It is the holiday time. Aren't you excited? Don't you just love December?

[Rory]

No.

[Mall]

I mean, I don't like it on the adult side of having to, like, get, you know, gifts for people I love. But I mean, I do love the energy of the holiday season.

[Rory]

Not me.

[Mall]

You don't want to just walk down 5th Ave and just take in all the commercialism.

You're in a special lady. You want to go to the Tree Rock Villa Center?

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Do a little ice skating?

[Rory]

Nah, everything is too small and too packed.

[Mall]

You don't think it's a magical time in the city?

[Rory]

No.

[Mall]

Vibrant energy is almost tangible.

[Rory]

Just the way for all the stores to get rid of the inventory.

[Mall]

That is true.

[Rory]

Going into the new year, they're getting.

[Mall]

Rid of the Louis Vuitton thing by Central Park. Like with the big.

[Peach]

The big suitcase.

[Mall]

Yeah. That was like. I thought that was like here to Stay. I thought that was like Statue of Liberty, Freedom Tower and then that the.

[Rory]

Stores here, the Apollo, they probably model it, do something different. That's what it was up there for. It was. That was the scaffolding. Like a unique way to do scaffolding. Yeah.

[Mall]

Oh, really? That was better than scaffolding, than whatever they would have done. That was like the coolest thing ever to me. I wish they would have kept that.

[Rory]

Yeah, I mean, you know, do the whole store. We'll do the whole building over.

[Peach]

All right.

[Mall]

Well, you don't seem happy for the holidays.

[Rory]

Me? No, I'm happy for the holidays. End of the year, Grinch over here. End of the year. Let's wrap the year up. You know what I'm saying? Wrap the year up strong.

[Mall]

This is a quick year.

[Rory]

Finish strong. Let's finish strong. Remember Boston strong after the bombing, y'. All Remember that.

[Mall]

I do remember that.

[Rory]

Okay. What? What?

[Peach]

How could we forget?

[Rory]

I'm just saying Never forget. Remember 9, 11. Never forget.

[Mall]

I do remember it.

[Rory]

We worry. We worry when.

[Mall]

Ms. Bernardo, social studies class.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Rory]

We worry when they.

[Mall]

What a stupid phrase. Never forget. Like we'd forget some shit like that. Like, yo, yo, I was sitting around, yo, you remember that shit? Yeah.

[Rory]

Who can forget? They had to walk from Battery park all the way to Harlem, get back home. Who would ever forget that day? People had to walk from Wall street all the way to fucking Queens.

[Mall]

Had like six wars after that. Who forgot about that?

[Rory]

Nobody will ever forget that.

[Mall]

There's people with dementia. That's the only thing they remember.

[Rory]

All they remember about New York City.

[Mall]

We'll never forget it.

[Rory]

But they being down in that area now, it has like. They've done like a lot of things over though, like in that area downtown. Yeah, it's completely different now. I like it, though. I mean, sad that we had to.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Mall]

The entire city since then is a little different.

[Rory]

No, the Van Wick is still the same.

[Mall]

That is true. Since before I was even conceived, it's.

[Rory]

Been the exact same Cross Bronx, still the same. Nothing changed.

[Mall]

Yeah, well, yes. Never forget the Boston Marathon. Mark Wahlberg involved in both of those. It's kind of weird.

[Rory]

He's from Boston.

[Mall]

He. In the movie, he saved. He was. Went from the finish line to killing the terrorists. Like he was like Jason Bourne in that movie with a bad leg. He was an old washed up cop.

[Rory]

And smoked everybody but Mark Wahlberg. We with Mark.

[Mall]

He was a Boston PD guy and then ended up in a completely different. A different town where his jurisdiction did not matter and was killing terrorists like, dog, you out of your border.

[Rory]

You can't.

[Mall]

How you getting this call?

[Rory]

Kill them all.

[Mall]

And then he said if he was on the plane in 911,911 would have never happened.

[Peach]

Who do y' all think is the most overrated of like those guys? Like the Jason Bournes. The. What's the other one that they kill over his dog. He went more over his dog. John Wick. Like all of them.

[Mall]

Who do y'? All. Mark Wahlberg did too. And Shooter.

[Peach]

Overrated. Out of all of those movies, like.

[Mall]

The characters themselves or the actors.

[Rory]

I never got into John Wick.

[Jacob Goldstein]

What?

[Rory]

And I. And I love. I love Keanu Reeves, but I never got into John Wick.

[Peach]

I like John Wick.

[Rory]

Never got into that.

[Mall]

Yeah. I like Neo over John Wick.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Rory]

John Wick was never my. That was never my drip.

[Peach]

Who was the One Tom Cruise was playing not Mission Impossible, but the other one, Jack Reacher.

[Rory]

Oh, okay.

[Peach]

Yeah. Like who?

[Rory]

John Reacher or Jack?

[Peach]

John or Jack? Jack Reacher. Jack Reacher. Yeah. Like, which one was the most overrated?

[Mall]

I'm gonna go with John Wick, in my opinion.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Peach]

Wow. Really?

[Rory]

I was never into John Wick. Never. I never understood how people, like, fucked with that shit.

[Peach]

Y' all fucked with Jack Reacher more than John Wick. Nah, I know y' all didn't. Ain't no way.

[Rory]

Definitely.

[Peach]

I feel like I was the only one who went to see Jack Reacher.

[Rory]

Yeah. I definitely didn't go to the theater to see Jack Re.

[Peach]

I saw.

[Mall]

I just typed in on Google. Just see, like, list of action movie characters. And why did Captain Jack Sparrow come up?

He would be the most overrated in my opinion.

[Rory]

Jack Sparrow legend.

[Mall]

You tripping as far as, like, heroes.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Rory]

He saved the seas.

Somebody had to do it.

[Mall]

He was the first Navy.

[Rory]

Yeah. Somebody had to do it.

[Mall]

You know, I would say underrated because I feel like Jason Borneau's guys get that. That title, but I feel like Dominic Toretto over the years became probably better than any he could be in Marvel, I think, at this point.

[Rory]

What's the Rock's character name in Fast and Furious?

[Mall]

It's the name of a Law. Hobbs.

[Rory]

Hobbs, fam. When he held that helicopter by that chain, I might have walked out the theater. I might have put my popcorn in. The sheet was like, all right, y' all got it, man. I'm out.

[Mall]

But Paul Walker and Vin Diesel literally drove a car from one skyscraper to the other through the window and land and landed it.

[Rory]

I think they got to space at one point, didn't they?

[Mall]

They did, yeah.

[Peach]

That was eight.

[Rory]

Shout out to Ludacris, though. We not gonna do that. Shout out to the Legend. Yeah. Shout out to the Legend. Ludacris. We're not doing that.

[Peach]

Tyrese, too.

[Mall]

It should have been Ja, man.

[Rory]

The Legend, Tyrese. You know what I'm saying? We not doing that.

[Mall]

It should have been Jah. They need to do spin off with Ja Rule and his character from Fast and Furious. One like, he was sort of part of the. The crew in the beginning.

[Rory]

Yeah. What happened to Joe?

[Mall]

That's. We need a spin off.

[Rory]

His car wasn't.

[Mall]

He didn't get that threesome.

[Rory]

Yeah, his car was. His car wasn't fast enough.

[Mall]

Well, anyways, where do you guys want to begin? This week has been, you know, kind of dull, and we just saw each other yesterday, so I don't really think we need to catch up like that. But I did finish the Diddy doc yesterday.

[Rory]

Diddy doc, the Reckoning.

[Mall]

And I rushed. I rushed back to the house to watch it because I thought it was gonna get taken down because his lawyers did send some CDs, which, once you get to episode two, you start to see why.

[Rory]

Listen, I finished the docket last night here before I went home. I was like, let me watch it. Because I did feel like it was gonna be taken down soon since Cease and Desist was sent out. And I would have been mad because I watched the first two episodes, and I was like.

Oh, shit, okay. Yeah, so let me watch the next two. And.

Listen, if everything in that doc is real and true.

I think we all, like. We all owe a lot of people. Like, damn. Cause we watched it happen.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Rory]

Like, years of watching shit like it was right in front of us. Things happen. And, you know, one of the things that I did take away from the doc, because, you know, you go back and they was, you know, telling things that happened and then from people that really were close to Puff and grew up with him and was there from day one and just hearing the way they spoke about him and then watching things, you know, that, you know, happened publicly and things, it was definitely like, damn. Like, how the fuck did this continue to just happen right in front of us? And nobody, you know, and y' all know all the time, I always say people don't care. Like, we. We pretend like we care. And when things happen, like, oh, my God, prayers, condolences, and then we hit scroll, and then there's no more prayers and condolences and things like that. But the documentary did shed a lot of light on a lot of things that I didn't know about. Gave the testimony of people that were, you know, spent a lot of years around Diddy working with him, whether it was personal or just business.

And I can see why his lawyers did want to cease and desist, because it does. It can paint a different picture for people who supported Diddy over the years. It definitely paints him in an entirely different light, an entirely different perspective of the man that many of us have supported over the years. But overall, I thought it was a very informative doc. I thought it was, you know, it's fucked up what happened. But it was a good documentary, though.

[Mall]

Yeah. That's why I, you know, we gave 50 a little bit of last episode just because we thought, like, all right, is this him just being petty because of their history and his child's mother and, like, are we Going to get one of those clip together Hulu docs that is just like, this was a money grab and unnecessary as far as the dot goes. It was very informative and very well put together. Like episode one was. I thought I like really knew the Diddy story for the most part. It was a very informative Diddy doc, like just in general about his life and his family life.

But once you get to episode two, things do start to fall off the rails. Was there any new information on here for you? Because, I mean, I know we're a little closer to everything than the average consumer when it comes to this type of stuff.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

As far as the music industry, I know a lot of people learned a lot of things for the first time in this doc, which I think is great. But was there anything in here? You were like, yo, what the fuck?

[Rory]

Well, they said that the Wallace estate paid for the funeral, but then they came out to prove that that wasn't true. That the Wallace estate did not pay for Biggie's funeral. That's something that I was like, wait, hold up. Like, again, if any of that is true and they saying that that's not true, but that was definitely one of the things that I was completely thrown off by. Like, I was like, I never heard that, never knew that. And if that is true, that's fucking crazy.

[Mall]

Yeah. In the docket, it explained it as if Bad Boy paid for the funeral, but it came out of Biggie's recording budget. So it was a line item in a P and L. But this morning, Lauren LaRosa had went on the Breakfast Club and said she spoke with Biggie's estate former manager. And he said he has been on the royalty statements since the very day that Big passed away and that never happened. Bad Boy paid for everything. That wasn't something that came out of Biggie's budget.

[Peach]

Okay, so I have a question. This is devil's advocate, because I know everybody's bleeding hearts, but don't most humans pay for their own funerals? So when people were like, he didn't pay for his funeral, I'm like, don't most people pay for their own funerals? That doesn't happen.

[Rory]

Well, if you have life insurance and things like that, like.

Yeah, but the thing was, the way they said it in the doc made it seem like it came directly out of like money that was his. So essentially, look, Biggie made Bad Boy money, right? So even if Bad Boy paid for it, in a way, Biggie paid for the funeral, right? Yeah, but the way they Broke it down. The way they explained it in the doc, it made it seem like, you know, because they were saying, Puff was saying, this is gonna be the biggest funeral ever. This, that, and third, but Biggie's gonna pay for it. So when you hear it that way and you like. And then they're saying like, yeah, he's the one that came out of the Wallace estate or whatever it was like, that's a little crazy if they did it that way. But in a way, yes, you're right. You do kind of. You do pay for your own funeral. It does come out of funds that you have, whether it's life insurance or, you know, again, being one of the biggest artists in the world at the time for the label, the label pays for it. You can kind of say that you worked for it, you grossed that money for the label. So, yeah, I get it. But just hearing it that way was definitely like, wait, what do you mean Biggie paid for his own funeral?

[Mall]

Yeah, it's more of a moral thing because like how they even painted it in the doc with that segment. It was like, all right. Big thought he was going to London. Puff said, nah, we're gonna go to LA to promote the album. Even though we know it's probably not safe. We've been getting death threats. Probably not the best time to go over there. But they were painting Puff's arrogance where he felt like he was so bulletproof, it didn't matter of what the truth was. So he dragged Biggie there to promote an album that was signed to Bad Boy. Unfortunately, that happens to Big. Then he, to Mall's point, says it's about to be the biggest funeral. But like, wait, does Ms. Wallace want it to be the biggest funeral? If you're paying for it. All right, like, cool. You can Bad Boy up this entire thing.

[Peach]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Mall]

If you're paying for it. Then right after that, he was supposed to get the COVID of Rolling Stone, like a few weeks after the funeral.

[Rory]

And that was crazy.

[Mall]

Which I've heard that before. That I'm pretty sure that's factual, was crazy. So right after allegedly, you don't pay for the funeral. Now you switch the COVID that was supposed to, you know, honor, honor your. Your best friend. You switch it to you because you have to do the no Way out, you're leading single, which make made you God knows how much money is I'll be missing you, which you promote immediately, which I get. It's a tribute song. But we know Puff's mind. Of course, he was mourning but he's going to take advantage of that moment. And yeah, it looked all nasty when you add all those things together. If Big's family indeed had to pay for the entire thing, but it turned out that that was not the case and Puff did pay for it. But still nasty.

[Peach]

Well, if so, if that can be questioned, then don't we now question the integrity of the entire doc?

[Mall]

Well, that's. That's why lawyers love this type of. And why I know they're gonna amplify that. Biggie's estate said this because, you know, it's. It's similar to what we even saw with Diddy's sexual assault cases, where we saw the Cassie one and we saw the footage, but then a bunch of people came out the woodworks where stuff looked like, all right, this is true over here, but this seems like some bullshit money grab, kick him while he's down, maybe he'll settle type of thing. And that's what lawyers use to be like, see, this case is bullshit, so everything must be bullshit. And that's never really what it is. Yeah, like, sometimes misunderstandings happen in there. I don't know if there was much in the doc that couldn't be proven to be true outside of that one. I mean, I think the Tupac thing, they didn't say it in a fact. They alluded to it, but. Which, I mean, we can discuss. Do I think. Just speculation. No one knows this to be a fact. Do I think that Puff probably said to some gang members in passing or in a room, put some money on their heads? Yeah, I do think that happened. But do I think the people that allegedly killed Tupac went to Vegas with the thought, we're going there to kill Tupac so we can get the bounty money that Puff put up? No, I think Pac punched the wrong Crip that had a beef with the people he was rolling with. And Crips do what Crips do.

[Peach]

You.

[Rory]

Yeah, that was.

[Mall]

And then whether there was a bounty or not, I think those Crips do what they did regardless. Now, once it's done, I might as well go collect some money for it, too.

[Rory]

Yeah, that was the kind of what I took from it. It's just something that just happened to happen that night after a conversation, however many days or weeks ago.

So it kind of lined up that way. But, you know, overall, the documentary, to me, just. It gives a different perspective on somebody that we've only known publicly. Not much personal knowledge of the type of person that he is. But just, again, to hear those People talking. I forgot the gentleman's name. That was actually with Bad boy from day one. Who he took the 25% stock in bad Boy from. Yeah, just hearing him talk and then, you know, it's like, guys like that, you know, here's somebody that we've never heard from. I've never seen him sit down and talk about that. I just don't think that he would sit there and fabricate something at this point, like, what does he have to gain from that? Yeah, you know what I mean? His story, his truth, whatever happened. And you know, why he signed over the 25% that he owned of Bad Boy. I mean, I just think that he. I don't think that he has to lie about those type of. Of things and circumstances that happened around that whole thing. But overall, I mean, it was very informative. It shed some light on a lot of things. Hearing from testimony from certain people. Even some of the jurors spoke about why they didn't find him guilty on, you know, the sexual assault charges and things like that. And the jurors said it. It was like, yo, it's hard to, you know, find him guilty of that. Yes, we see the tape and we see the video of him assaulting a woman, but then we also have footage of them hours later at a gala together. And I know how abuse is, whether it's physical, whether it's verbal, whether it's mental. People are victims. But it's hard to tell a jury to find somebody guilty of this when you have more footage of them on vacations together after that. And this. That. And third, and it's like, well, yes, we do think that this was toxic, this was wrong. Things happen. But at the same time, do we find him guilty of these things? Because it does take, you know, it takes two.

[Mall]

And to give the jurors some grace there, too, I blame more of the prosecution. Like, yeah, we all saw the Cassie tapes. Like, that's not what he was charged for. Do I think Diddy is a guilty human being? Of course I do.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

But you guys put up a bunch of shit that you couldn't even really prove happened, and all this stuff that we did know to be true, he's not charged for. So if I'm a jury sitting there, like, yeah, I think that's a piece of.

[Rory]

But it's not this.

[Mall]

This is the system America has made where you have to prove the charges that you have right here, and you're not doing that. So what am I supposed to do? Yeah, say he's guilty for something that's not in the court right now, I can't do that.

[Rory]

The one, the one thing that stood out to me in the DOC was how around every tragic thing that happened in his life, he was the one that came out of it. You know, whether it's like his career elevated out of each of these tragedies, and that's kind of like that raises an eyebrow. Like, how come you the only one that benefited from these tragedies? Like, life got, you know, from the. I guess from what we see and what we know, seems like life got better for you after these tragedies. Success happens, you know, and it's like.

Why is that? To me, that's the one thing I took from the doc. Like even going back to the city college.

Stampede that happened at that time, Puff was just a party promoter in the city. Young kid throwing parties, bringing people together, trying to have a good time. But even out of that, there was an elevation. You go get to uptown after that, you know what I'm saying? And then you and Andre Harrell fall out. And then you take what you learned from Andre Harrell, where, you know, like, I'll be showing these people was talking like, none of these guys got really paid from uptown. Like they got that, they advance. But after that, a lot of these artists struggled. Go to bad boy, you start your thing. A lot of those artists can say the same thing. Craig Mack has, he's Grammy nominated, he has a number one song and barely pay his bills. And then he asks you for money and his wife says, you pull out $100 bill and give it to him. It's like for people to have these stories, it's like.

Something somebody ain't. Everybody can't be lying. Like, that's just my thing. When everybody get to talking, it's like.

[Peach]

Where there's smoke, there's fire.

[Rory]

Yeah. Everybody can't be lying now. Is there some things that, you know, is it 100% true? And maybe that's their perspective on how things happen. We understand how things get a little blurry there. But the bottom line is when you look at the things that happened as far as the tragedies and then look and saw how Puff was able to elevate from that and was the one that kind of became, you know, the star and things like that.

It does raise an eyebrow. Like that's something that you kind of gotta look at with a side eye. Like something ain't right here.

[Mall]

Yeah. I mean, Puff came across as probably the greatest self preservation human being I'VE ever seen. To your point, every time something bad happened to everyone, including himself in that circle, he would find a way for everyone else to be the fall people. And for him to continue on, no matter what scheme or way he had to go about it, he will he always going to self preserve no matter what. Even with the bad boy family. Well, I'm not going down.

[Rory]

Right.

[Mall]

I got to keep the family moving. Do you think that started around the City College thing? Because I almost watched it like kind of in reverse in my head towards the end, thinking of that moment. Yes, Puff was just a young party promoter. Should the cops have probably had a better structure there? Should Puff have maybe had better security? Of course there's a bunch of what ifs there. I'm not saying he's completely innocent, but still, he's throwing a charity basket. He doesn't know about that. Yeah, it's unfortunate what happened because he got out of that Scot free and then even said himself. At that point, I had never been that famous in my life. I immediately became famous because of a tragedy. Do you think that started the mind state he had of being so metaphorically bulletproof in any situation? I can get away with anything.

[Rory]

Well, yeah.

[Mall]

I mean, I can have someone shoot Suge's man in front of a fucking club in Atlanta. It's gonna happen to me. I could shoot up a club with JLo. Nothing's gonna happen to me. Yeah, like, that, I think, is where he started to build that mentality along with drugs, to just start seeing the world as objects and opportunities. Like Kim Porter. That was the opportunity.

[Peach]

He.

[Mall]

He had a. Clearly had a very fragile and crazy ego. So. Because that was Albie Shore's girl. I'm gonna get her. He says his other baby mother. Oh, that's somebody else's 50s, baby. Like, he has that mentality where, this isn't because I want that woman. It's because I want that object, opportunity and ego boost for the people around me. Yeah, that I think just built more and more throughout the years because he. He never really took an L. Yeah, I, like, I don't get it. But I could see how that trajectory mixed with pink cocaine could get you to the place that he treats the world the way he does. Of course I can beat up Cassie.

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[Mall]

Why can't I do that? Look at everything I've done and gotten away with. It's almost like he has like, the mentality of like, that rich kid that had a billionaire father that knew they could do anything. And dad will get him out of it. But Puff would get himself out of it. Yeah, I think he had that same mental. As the years went on.

[Rory]

Well, I mean, people that grew up with him and they spoke to that.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

How they started to see the change in him. And then Mark Curry was talking about the intro on the album, things he was saying, you know, now he talking like a gangster. I put a million dollars on your head, get you erased. Mark is like, the fuck?

[Mall]

What?

[Rory]

When did that. Like when you start talking like that. So, you know, you gotta look at those things and kind of say, okay, yeah, where did it start? And I think the documentary did a good job at kind of trying to point that out. Like when the ego came into play, when the God complex came into play. And then, you know, talking to people who were directly close to him, who was speaking to certain things that they saw and experienced. And, you know, and again, you watch it, you take what you take from it. I don't think I learned too much. I mean, it was interesting to see them put everything together. From the very beginning of, you know, Puff being a party promoter and trying to get into the industry to where he ultimately ended up. Today, I thought they did a good job with that. But overall, I mean, you know, definitely. Probably one of the better Diddy documentaries I think I watched.

[Mall]

Yeah, I mean, it's. It's definitely in a way different way up there with the apple music. What was that Can't Stop, Won't Stop about just bad boy in general? I think I maybe like that one better because I didn't know about all of this, where it was like, oh, I can enjoy the music and the artists. And this, you know, was obviously a tough watch. But back to the God complex thing. Did you ever see the Anthony Weiner documentary? I suggest everyone go back and watch a very fascinating documentary, just about the last year of him in politics and him getting caught again when he was running for mayor. Like, everyone kind of forgave him. And then it was like, wait, you're still sending dick pics to young girls? Like, is wrong with you? They filmed the entire thing. And the whole time I'm watching it, I'm going, why is Anthony Weiner allowing them to film this? Why am I able to see these moments? I felt that with Puff two of the God complex, why are you being filmed in a hotel talking to your lawyer that way about what type of defense that you need? Yeah, like, where in your brain? Why are you filming this?

[Rory]

That was the one thing. Even with the Dirty Dog, it's like, how did 50 get his hands on this? So, like, how did that happen?

[Mall]

There's been conflicting reports, but what I did see, that seems like it would be the most truthful one. Netflix was somewhat involved with Diddy shooting a documentary going into the trial stuff.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

Because Puff was very confident in his God complex that he was going to be found innocent. And once again, to your point, he would try and fall from the ashes. And here comes Puff with this doc of like, damn, look what we put him through with the trial. Trial. And he was innocent the whole time. I think that's what Puff had in mind.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

And I think Netflix was already involved. Once you get arrested, I don't really know what happens with the rights of stuff or if anyone got paid. Netflix may have owned that footage.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And then, you know, here comes 50. You guys own what?

[Rory]

Yeah, I know.

[Mall]

Wait, what'd you say?

[Rory]

I know, I know.

[Mall]

What? Editor 50 probably opened his MacBook and was like, you know what? I'll do it.

[Rory]

Yeah, man, the. The part with Little Rod. Little Rod is his name? Yeah, man, I feel bad for him.

[Mall]

I. I don't feel bad laughing at some of the stuff that was in the reports just because how it read. I think as humans were allowed to laugh sometimes when something appears to just sound funny when you read it in paperwork. But once, like, he humanized it and you heard it from him.

[Rory]

Yeah, I was like, yeah, he got.

[Mall]

He got done dirty. I'm sorry, man.

[Rory]

Yeah, they did him dirty.

[Mall]

Outside of. Of the adult grooming, producer grooming also. What'd he get, like 17k or some.

[Rory]

No, you said he got 20, 29,000.

[Mall]

And then those voice notes, like, pure God complex manipulation, like, Puff, I was just on a yacht. You spent 100 grand on gas for that thing. Can you pay me the money that you already said you owed me?

[Peach]

How much did he say that he owed him? I didn't watch.

[Mall]

He said 250 was what he was supposed to get for producing on the Love album. Yeah, he ended up getting.

[Rory]

Yeah, like 29, 29,000 out of 250,000 in pups that he was gonna give him.

Yeah, man, it's tough, man, and it's not. And you know, the fucked up part is there's so many people that have a story like that in the industry, produce some incredible records, incredible songs, and, you know, just because you chasing the dream and, you know, you get flown out to fucking Italy on a yacht with somebody that you looked up to as a kid, and now you working with him and Producing music with him. And he telling you he gonna give you 250,000. You, like, fuck it. Whatever I gotta do to get this album done. And you know, like, if I gotta witness some crazy shit, if I gotta be a part of some crazy shit, you know, it's just. It's fucked up. But people prey on people like that. Cause they know that they need that opportunity and they need that moment to kinda, like, be able to, like you said, take care of his family and his kids and have his kids be able to take care of their kids. And that's what he was chasing. And that was. That was his, you know, his goal. But.

Voice notes, man, Puff was like, yo, you know what I'm saying? Like, I know. You know what I'm saying. I know you ain't going crazy. I was like that manipulation.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah. And then the, like, now I feel like I gotta look at you crazy.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, I don't want to look at you crazy.

[Mall]

Like, wait, I'm crazy because I'm asking for the money that you. You said that you would pay me.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

You came up with that number. I didn't come up with that number.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's tough.

[Mall]

But that's also like. And I won't say it doesn't happen in other businesses, but adding on to why the music industry is so up, a lot of that weird can happen in the environment of creating music. Like blocking out for the love sessions. I came on the spot. I went. I went to one of the love sessions I was trying to get on that album. Nothing crazy was happening in there at all. But when you're blocking something out for a month. Yeah, if I leave at 1am, I don't know what the. Is happening at 3am but a lot of producers are still there actually there just to make music. Now you're complicit into this whole thing. Like, I don't think Lil Rod did anything wrong when they went to the. The strip club on the boat. Yo, take this bad boy hat on. They know what it means. Like, I'm here to produce, man. Like, But I get why Little Rod would just be like, all right, man, we just have.

[Rory]

Yeah, you want me to go?

[Mall]

Like, I'm not doing anything wrong. But not realizing that you are now complacent in a way bigger sex ring right now that you have no idea. You thinking, oh, he said, I'm the next member of the Hitman. I'll take a bad boy hat. Let me walk around the strip club with it. Not knowing that you are now they know that's the flag. Oh, there's the guy that we need to go to to sell pussy. Yeah, perfect. We'll go to him. And Lil Raj's like, well, I'm going back to the studio. Yeah, no, we going back to studio.

[Rory]

We all going back. Yeah. It was tough, though. Did you watch it, Baby D? Did you finish it?

[Peach]

No, I didn't. I was just. I haven't even started it. That's why I was.

[Rory]

Yeah, you should finish it before. Before it's taken down. Yeah, but I do think it'll be taken down eventually.

[Mall]

The Aubrey o' Day segment was really tough to watch.

[Peach]

I heard about that.

[Mall]

I feel for her.

She told her story of somebody on the staff had walked into one of the studios where Puff and another gentleman were having sex with her. She looked really out of it slump. Like she had clearly been drugged. She has no recollection of this whatsoever. But you could imagine the toll that would put on you if somebody was like, I 100% know I walked in on you. Puff and another gentleman having sex. And you're like, I've. That never happened. And now you're starting to question everything because, you know, there's been crazy practices with shit getting drugged and this and that. And she even said, if this person's lying and I keep going with it now, that gives Puff's team even more ammo. And she's like, I know up things happen. So if I pursue this and it ends up not being true now it's like, hey, look, they're lying over here.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Mall]

So she's in a weird, conflicted position there.

[Peach]

I can't imagine, because that came out in one of the civil suit accusers. Having said that in her affidavit, that I can't imagine hearing that for the first time, like, oh, yeah, by the way, he. He raped you, too. He was, like, knocked out, slumped. And he's like, what?

[Rory]

Yeah, that's wild.

[Peach]

That's like, what?

[Mall]

Yeah, that's some psych.

[Peach]

Because now you're wondering, how many times did that happen? If that happened? How many times did that happen? Did that only happen once?

[Rory]

But this is my. This is again. And, you know, I watched it for whatever, you know, just to gain different perspective on things and events that happened. But now what? Like, what happens now?

Who cares? Because even at the trial, you had people outside the courthouse with baby oil saying, free Diddy this, that. And third, like, we all saw the tape. We all saw him tell. When the Cassie lawsuit first came down, he came out Posted it on his page. These lies are disgusting. This, that, and the third. Couple days later we get the video of him assaulting Cassie in the hotel. And then we get him sitting down on his phone, talking about he's in a dark place and he needed help. And this, that, and third. So right there, now we already know you're lying. You're a liar. Cause you just told us that this girl was lying. And then the footage came out and now you saying you was in a dark place. So now we already know that you're lying. So what else are you lying about? But again, what does it mean? Because people still stood next to him after that Cassie video came out. People still supported him after that Cassie video. Him and Harlem shaking hands, hugging. That was after the Cassidy video came out.

[Mall]

Yeah, so this is what I'm. Before he got arrested.

[Rory]

So this is what I'm saying. Like, so with this doc, with him doing. Being sentenced to 50 months, you know, with us seeing all of the footage and hearing all the testimony and this, that, and the third, what does it mean? What changes? What happens? Because we still have. We got plenty of people out here that have been accused of things that people support. We got a lot of artists that have been accused of sexual assault. These niggas are still getting booked at club shows. Women still throwing they selves all over these niggas.

So my thing is cool. I watched the doc. Great. You know what I'm saying? I think they did a great job editing, coloring, color grade was great. All of the things.

[Mall]

It was scored beautifully.

[Rory]

It was scored good. The music, everything is good. Now what. What happens now? Because again, you still have people that support these people even after these things are exposed. So what is it for?

[Peach]

I mean, you lose things like brand deals and the ability to win a Grammy, but that's really it. Because the people that wanna support you are still gonna support you. Now, do you have kind of like the casual fan support anymore? No, but you're gonna have support because people don't give a fuck about women. You can do that.

[Rory]

They do have the casual fans. Them N in Harlem was casual fans that was trying to take pictures with this nigga and shake his hands and giving them they coat off. Was casual. Yeah, those was some people in the.

[Mall]

Industry.

Or that somebody just wants a photo.

[Peach]

That's.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's support. Yo, love you, Puff. Love you, Diddy.

[Peach]

That's when I think support, I think monetary support. Yeah, support that puts money in his pocket. And when I refer to casual fans, I'm not Talking about regular people versus people in the industry. I mean, people who are Diddy fans versus people who might check out Diddy's new album if they come across it. Like, that's what I mean by casual fans. So he's still gonna have support, but it won't be as much. But, yeah, people don't give a fuck if you beat or rape women. Nobody cares about that. They will somehow find a way to blame the women. They don't. No one cares.

[Rory]

So I'm with you on that. I really feel that way. Like I said, you have people that have came out and accused people of rape and sexual assault.

Didn't change nothing. Yeah, like, people. It's just like people hearing like, oh, shit, that's crazy. All right, well, prayers and condolences. And then next week is something different. And it's like, so who really? What are documentaries like this for? Is it just to make us aware and get people to get their stories out and their testimony? Because I really don't see. Now, granted, he's been sentenced to 50 months. I'm sure he can't wait to get the fuck out of there. And, you know, life is completely different for him. So he's feeling the blunt of all of this shit. But when he comes home and he's free and he's back, what happens after that? I don't have to answer it, but that's what my thinking is at. It's like, okay, then What? After these 50 months, what happens? Does he have no brand deals at all? I don't see that happening. I see brands waiting for shit to die down as soon as they feel like the coast is clear, they gonna peep outside. Be another billboard in Times Square soon. I could see that happening. I'm just saying I could see it happen.

[Mall]

I don't know about this one. And I mean, I. I hear you guys. That's the unfortunate part of these cases.

[Rory]

Is like, Tom Stamp me saying it. All right?

[Mall]

Nobody, like, unfortunately cares about that. But I do think there is value in the story getting out there. And I'm not a person that thinks any mistake should ruin someone's legacy. But this was not a mistake. This was who this person was for years and years and years and years. So the fact that that is out and has been exposed, I do think it's important for these types of stories to be told and for people to know what happens with that. I'm not sure, because, again, you can't even control what a fan or casual supporter is going to take with this. Information. But to his God complex, it's the first time Puff has taken a real L. That's important, even if it's just one person. Like, does this doc and Puff getting arrested change the music industry? Is there no longer going to be sexual assault in the music industry? Of course not. People are still going to be sexually harassed. Unfortunately, still sexually assaulted. But at least with one of the most important figures in music history, he was taken down a peg. No pun intended. Like, finally, he can't keep winning through all this shit. Like, you can't keep treating people this way and continuing to win. And you look like a God to the public, but you're the devil. Privately. Like, I do think it's important that that type of stuff gets out not only for victims, but for everyone else, even if there's not the justice that we think is deserved in this case. Sometimes. Sometimes you have to settle for tax evasion. When you can't get somebody, Somebody, they just. They just have to sit down just for a second, because that's all we can do. And I don't think. Do I think Puff is going to be rehabilitated? Probably not. But do I think Puff is going to second guess every decision he makes? Thank God, because before I never even had to. He beat everything.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Every crazy situation he beat.

[Rory]

It's just tough, man, because again, I'm on the side. I don't. I just don't.

[Mall]

I think a billboard is. Is a bit crazy. Do I think Puff is going to completely disappear? No. Do I think he'll probably build his own businesses without, you know, the backing of Diageo or whoever he had before? Yeah, he's Puff. He's an entrepreneur. He's going to keep doing that. You know, his kids are still very much active in making music and doing stuff. He's going to be around, but I don't think you're going to get the. The fist balled up in Times Square. I just. I can't see that.

[Rory]

Maybe not the fist balled up, but that. Yo, maybe the prayer hands.

[Mall]

Yeah, Yeah, I could definitely see that.

[Rory]

I can see prayer hands at Times Square.

[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

Um Damaris. You think Young Miami is gonna get any flack Cause in the. In the doc with the footage leading up to his arrest.

They FaceTime. And he's like, yeah, babe, about to go deposit 200 million.

[Peach]

And she's like, is that confirmed that that was Young Miami?

[Mall]

It appeared.

[Rory]

I didn't. I don't think that.

[Mall]

Nobody thinks that was.

[Peach]

Yeah, I was gonna say they.

[Mall]

Because I didn't at. Like, first. That was my first thought, but then that's what the entire timeline was saying. So I was like, oh, I don't. I'm not up on my city girl. Like, I can't spot a city girl.

[Rory]

Yeah. I couldn't really see the phone like that to be able to tell that well, but I didn't. It didn't sound like her.

[Peach]

And the people I know who listen to Young Miami, who watched the doc, nobody got it. Young Miami. I think people think it's Gina or whoever.

[Mall]

Glad that was cleared up at least.

[Rory]

But.

[Peach]

Oh, Dana. Dana Tran.

[Rory]

Then he had a baby with her, right?

[Peach]

Yep. His baby mother, yeah. Dana Tran. Yep.

[Mall]

I mean, I don't know. I would have liked to hear from Cudi.

[Rory]

No, that wasn't gonna happen. You know, he's not sitting there and talk to no. For no documentary.

[Peach]

Like, oh, no.

[Rory]

Hell, no matter.

[Peach]

He mad. He had to be. Didn't he go testify in the trial?

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Peach]

I know. He pissed. He had to do that. Like, leave me alone.

[Rory]

Where is Farnsworth Bentley at?

[Mall]

Listen, where is he at a Taylor? I don't know.

[Rory]

Like, that's what I'm saying. It's just certain guys. There's certain ones I gotta. Like, like, what's up, fam? Like, we. What's going on? You ain't got nothing to say, like, at all? Like, you just. It's just straight up disappeared. And I'm not in the spotlight no more. I don't want to talk to the camera. Don't want to see. Does he even have an Instagram?

[Mall]

Listen, man. He got out of Dodge at the right time.

[Rory]

Like, that's what I'm saying.

[Mall]

Like, we listen by choice.

[Rory]

Yeah. Like, we got.

[Mall]

He had a hit record with Andre 3000. Kanye West. Yeah. And they didn't even put the band back together.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's just like, where is he at, man? Does he have Instagram? He does. What he talking about on his Instagram? Prayer hands.

[Mall]

I post a lot.

You blocked. Okay, imagine Josh blocked by Farnsworth.

[Peach]

Check Fonzworth out.

[Rory]

He posted.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah. He posting quotes. Yeah.

[Rory]

All right.

[Mall]

Yeah. Let's see what time it is.

[Rory]

What he Said what? He said, how your life. Wait. Everybody can be great. All right. Thank you, Josh. Everybody can be great because everyone. Everyone can serve. When did he post that?

[Peach]

January 15, 2024.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah. He's been chilling. Yeah. Even out.

[Rory]

I know. I know what that means. Whenever they post that, it's like, yo, listen, man. Don't come over here with no. I don't want to talk to nobody.

[Mall]

I listen. I. I support everyone's consensual lifestyle. Can you imagine? Out of all the love sessions, you're the producer that's picked to do this whole shit. You play every instrument. You finally are on your way to follow your dream. And then Puff takes his phone and shows you him, a white guy in the ass. And you just looking at Ableton like, this isn't how I thought it would go.

[Rory]

I never saw life going this way.

[Mall]

Never saw that happen in 8 mile. Get Richard. I trying to.

[Rory]

That's what he said. That's what. That's what Lil Rod said. He said that's what Puff showed him. That again. We just talked.

[Mall]

He was raping a man. No, he was having consensual sex with a man.

[Rory]

But let's just say this is real. That's nuts. That's crazy.

[Mall]

A lot of.

[Peach]

I mean, that's not nuts. It's nuts. To show it to your producer? Yes.

[Rory]

No, no, no. Having sex with a man, that's what you want to do. That's what you do. But I'm showing it to a producer who's just sitting there playing keys and, like, trying to find the chords. Like, he didn't even ask.

That's the part that's crazy. Like, Lil Rob was here with it, trying to figure it out. Like, he was trying to figure out which chord was going. The chord progressions and all of that.

[Peach]

He liked his finger movement.

[Rory]

Yeah, but. Yeah, but you can't just be like, yo, check this out. This how I give it up last night? Come on, fam. That's. Yeah, that's.

[Mall]

And then I'd start, like, internally thinking, like, why do you think it was okay to show me that? I don't think he showed D Dot that.

[Rory]

Yeah. Nah, ddot ain't see that. Yeah.

[Mall]

I don't think D dot Com. I don't think he would ever go to DDOT and do some shit like that.

[Rory]

Not at all.

[Mall]

Why he do that to me?

[Rory]

Yeah, Black Rob didn't see that.

You ain't sure. Whatever. You don't show Black Rob. Don't show me, fam. That's How I would have walked.

[Mall]

That's the rules.

[Rory]

Yeah, whatever. Y' all don't show Black Rob.

[Mall]

Black Rob the accounting.

[Rory]

Yeah, well, yeah, that's. That. That part is very true. But yeah, I don't know, man. I don't know. I think the doc will be taken down soon, but I, you know, I'm glad I caught it. I'm glad I watched it. Prayers to all of the victims and, you know, people that were affected by this.

[Mall]

And hopefully for Bieber. I want to hear more from Lil Rod. Production wise, I knew he did a lot. I didn't know he did that Justin Bieber record. That beat is crazy.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

But it's crazy what he was endured when he was making like, what inspired him to find that was that video.

[Peach]

Which is just like only Rory would somehow like music nerd out over like the Diddy. Like he like, yo, the producers. I know this nigga did this.

[Mall]

Yo, what's. So what's so fucked up out of the obvious selfish reasons. That Love album is incredible.

[Peach]

Yeah. Yeah, it's. It hurt me to have to undone.

[Mall]

Yeah. That. That having to. To leave my Apple music was like.

[Rory]

Yeah, because that came out and then when did those. Two weeks later.

[Peach]

Not two weeks, but it was, I think maybe six months. Maybe six months?

[Mall]

Less. Less than that. I think a month.

[Rory]

Oh, no, I think a month. Yeah. What day did the Love album come out?

[Mall]

So Love album came out September 15th and then November 16th. Cassie put out her paperwork. Yeah. So two months.

[Peach]

Damn near to the date. That's crazy. Yeah. We barely enjoyed the album, which obviously.

[Rory]

Because when they came out, we spoke about it, we did how dope it.

[Mall]

Was, and then it was on repeat for two months.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's. That's one of those that. Yeah, I was nerding out. Cause that album is fucking incredible. But I mean, I suggest everyone watch it before it gets taken down. If it can get taken down.

[Rory]

I don't think he can.

[Mall]

I don't. I don't know how. I'm not even a Twitter lawyer, let alone. I don't know how that works. Like what?

[Peach]

Yeah, I feel like fighting Netflix on getting some taken down is because I don't feel like Netflix. Netflix has one hell of a team. Boy, they gonna cross their eyes and cross. Yeah. Cross their T's and dot they eyes before.

[Mall]

But then even like the stuff that's on Netflix dock wise already. Like then they'd have to take down every document, period. Like, there's so many docs that are just like, even just allegations he say, she say, yeah. Like, it's not even as long as.

[Peach]

You say allegedly, you cool.

[Mall]

Yeah. So I don't know how much luck they'll have with it. I. I see why his team would want to file something, but I don't know if. If. I mean, maybe Game screaming free Diddy will get it done.

[Rory]

What was that about Gambian Game?

[Peach]

That's your boy.

[Rory]

Yeah, but what was that about, though? Like, sometimes your boy do shit, and you gotta be like, yo, what was you doing?

[Mall]

Game has had so many moments like that, I've stopped trying to figure out the why.

[Rory]

I just feel like niggas is too old for certain shit, man. Like, free. Like Free Diddy. Free R. Kelly. What is that? First of all, you saying Free Diddy ain't freeing him. He ain't coming home sooner because you.

[Peach]

Said that you just wanted us to all know that you.

[Rory]

Yeah, and it's like, I just don't understand. And it's a lot of shit that, you know, we just allow in our culture that it's just like, bro. Like, it's a lot of just weird, corny shit that we just let happen. Like, and.

[Mall]

Free all the freaky homies.

[Peach]

I was just about to say free all the freaky homies is keep all.

[Mall]

The freaky homies inside.

[Peach]

Since nobody else ain't gonna say it. Free Kells. Free that man. Free Diddy. Free all the freaky homies. Some baby oil and some pee pee. Free the guys. I don't see nothing wrong with freeing the guys. And then later commented, reacted to the video in the comment section on TMZ and said, alcohol is a strange fruit. Oh, well, happy holidays, guys. Nah, stand on your shit.

[Rory]

Also, he tried to say he was drunk.

[Peach]

He ain't even try to say that alcohol is a strange fruit. We know it's fermented wine. I mean, it's fermented fucking grapes. We know, but stand on your shit.

[Rory]

Yeah, I don't. I don't know, man. I just thought, you know, I just think when you somebody like Game, who's been through what you've been through in the industry and, you know, seen the things that you've seen, and you now have kids that are old enough to kind of like, know what's going on, what happens in the world, you gotta be very careful of the things you say, man.

[Peach]

But don't he got cases against him, too? So.

[Rory]

Allegations.

[Mall]

Allegations, Yeah. I don't know, like, the full game. I don't feel like you guys. You guys, like, mentioned that to Me a few months ago or maybe last year or something I wasn't fully familiar with.

[Rory]

Yeah, he's never been to court for anything like that.

[Mall]

No, I think he lost a settlement that was like $10 million. A civil case, not a criminal. That had to do with some type of sexual.

[Peach]

Priscilla Rainey from his shit the game.

[Rory]

Loses California home to sexual assault accuser over $7 million debt. Okay. So he has to give the game has officially lost his California mansion as a result of a years long legal battle with Priscilla Rainey, a woman who accused the rapper of sexual assault a decade ago.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

According to a hip hop. A judge recently ordered the sale of the property to help satisfy a $7 million judgment awarded to Rainey back in 2016. Oh shit.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

Okay. So that was almost 10 years.

[Mall]

So he wasn't paying her so they just went like seize his assets or something like that.

[Rory]

That's what it sounds like. Okay.

[Peach]

She accused him of sliding his hand up her, up her dress and in between her legs on one of their off camera dates during when they were filming the show. And he was apparently kept avoiding the trial and. Yeah, so.

[Mall]

Well, if you avoid the trial, you're definitely gonna lose.

[Rory]

But that's a fact.

[Mall]

Kind of goes without saying. We were saying 50 is petty. We may need to add Meg the Stallion onto the list of of petty kings.

[Rory]

Why is Meg petty? What she did.

[Mall]

Meg rightfully so filed a lawsuit against bloggers that have lied on her name.

She won, but I think her team probably knew what the damages that she would be receiving would be. And from my understanding, I think it was $59,000 that she won with this case.

[Rory]

59,000.

[Mall]

She spent more on her legal team than she won.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

But outside of it being petty, it is smart because now people are going to think twice about posting something about Meg the Stallion that may not be true. Yeah, they're gonna have to fact check and, and really run through the evidence before posting because she'll go and sue you. Because I know 60k is not a lot to make the Stallion, but the person that lost Milagro Grams, I mean I was gonna say her name, but.

I, I'd assume not in her pockets. But 60k is a lot to me. Yeah, if I lost a court battle for 60k, I would be tight. I would be really fucking tight.

[Rory]

I never understood why people gave me the shit that they gave her behind that case. But that shit is so weird to me that people just.

[Mall]

You can cover and speculate, but you can't just post Outright wrong information on somebody.

[Rory]

Oh, no, I agree.

[Mall]

There needs to be some checks and balance.

[Rory]

No, definitely. She definitely was right for taking that to court. But I'm just looking at how many people still, even as a result of this.

Still feel like Meg is, you know, she's not the victim. Like, they talking and they come at her like she's not the victim. Like she's the one that's causing these problems and things like that. Like, it's just very weird, the things that people will spin and start to do just because they don't like somebody and then not liking somebody that you don't even know. It just. It's just weird, man. So much weird shit that goes on that, you know, we. We tend to forget about because it's. A lot of that happens. But I never understood people just, you know, going at Meg the way they went at her, like, through that whole. I never. That shit was so weird to me.

[Mall]

Tory Lanez was gonna buy Spotify.

[Rory]

Excuse me.

[Peach]

Just so people know what the defamation lawsuit was about. It was for defamation, intentional infliction of emotional distress, and for promoting an altered sexual depiction. So remember the deep fake video that of Mega, that it looked like a porn?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Peach]

It's a deep fake of her face. That blogger was as you should be posting that around.

[Mall]

If that's not me, don't say it's me.

[Rory]

She liked it and said to her followers, like, go to my place.

[Peach]

Mm. Like she promoted that Deepfake video.

That's. Yeah. Megan. Megan has been accusing her of being paid by Tory Lanez to continue on a smear campaign. But to. To make that clear in the lawsuit, she was not found guilty of that. They didn't have proof of that.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Peach]

Graham's testified that she has spoken with Tory Lanez, but claimed any payments she received were for personal reasons or unrelated promotional work. And they can't prove that.

[Rory]

Oh, they found that loophole.

[Peach]

Yeah. They can't prove that the money was forced.

[Mall]

Unpaid, promotional.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You know, you see how you find that loophole? You know what I'm saying? That was just a gift. Don't worry about it.

[Mall]

That's crazy. That's like not cheating. Practicing non monogamy. Yeah. Yeah.

While we're here, let's go to our senior bisexual analyst, Damaris.

What's up with your girl Ariana Grande?

[Peach]

She's fine. I never.

[Mall]

Man, I think those Hollywood spells might be true.

[Rory]

Listen, I went to go see Wicked too. I saw Wicked One and Wicked. I don't. I'm gonna say Wicked Too. I think it's called Wicked Good Something. I don't know the name of it.

[Mall]

Sounds like a Boston Wahlberg movie.

[Rory]

Listen, I. I love Cynthia. I love Ariana, so I want to see it. But, like, there is something weird happening. Something. Okay, let me not say weird, because weird can come across the wrong way. There's something different happening with Cynthia and Ariana. Their appearance is very different from when they first did the first Wicked. Now it's just like.

What is happening? What's going on? Like, is it.

A pact that they made? Are they on the same diet or something?

[Peach]

Now, are you referring to their weight loss?

[Rory]

Their physical appearance, Their. Just their. Their energy towards each other?

[Peach]

Okay.

[Rory]

When they're doing.

[Peach]

When it comes to. Not to interrupt you, but when it comes to their physical appearance, have we or have we not learned anything from Chadwick? We don't comment on people's physical appearance when they lose a lot of weight. Because you don't.

[Rory]

But that's why I said something is different. I didn't say weird. I said something is different. I'm not trying. I'm not trying to poke fun at it. I'm just saying where. I'm looking at them before Wicked 1 came out, and I'm looking at them after Wiki 2 came out on their press run, and they just look, their energy is very different. Their physical appearance is very different.

What is happening? Like, again, I don't. I'm not. I'm not the strange guy here. My eyes and my brain work. I'm looking at something and saying, something is different about these two women. This is not the same energy that I'm used to from Cynthia. This is not the same energy I'm used to from Ariana. So, like, what is? What is? And then we're seeing things on. I'm not, obviously not the only one that's noticing that everybody online is speaking to it. So what exactly is going on with these two?

[Peach]

I don't know them, so I don't know. What I will assume is that after their viral moments from the first Wicked, that they're now trolling y'. All. I think that's what happened. I think they're trolling the fuck out of y'. All. I won't comment on their alleged body whatever. But when it comes to, like, their relationship, their relationships, they have bodies, Their relationships and things. Their relationship, how close they are. And the finger. The viral finger holding Meemaw at this point, because they've gone viral for that so much, I think they're trolling Y', all, I think it's amazing promotion, and I think it's working.

[Rory]

That's.

[Peach]

That's what I think it is. I don't think that Ariana and Cynthia are gay and in a relationship or there's some weird.

[Rory]

I don't care about that. That's not even what I was talking to. I'm just saying, like, their energy, the way they speak, the way they just. It's just something totally different about them. And it only seems like it's when they're together.

[Becky Milligan]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, I don't.

[Peach]

They're trolling. That's like.

[Rory]

But why? They don't need to troll. Like, people are gonna go see these. They have two stars. People are gonna go see this movie.

[Peach]

Because sometimes trolling is fun. Sometimes trolling is fun. And also, I think that they're probably really close. They probably have a very close relationship. But trolling is fun, okay? Especially when it gets people on podcasts and in the vlogs and everybody talking about you. Like, why not?

[Rory]

This is Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo. People are going to talk about them regardless.

[Peach]

No. And.

[Rory]

And they don't have to be acting like this for people to talk about them.

[Peach]

And some of the biggest artists in the world will still troll. Because it's fun. Because it's fun. It's literally. Literally, like, because it's fun to have people up in an uproar and you sitting up in your fucking $17 million home looking at the fucking videos people are posting on Instagram, sending it to each other. Like, look at these fucking idiots.

[Rory]

Now, when they documented come out in five years, what would you expect?

[Peach]

The documentary.

[Rory]

And they say that these two. They are now two witches of.

I'm gonna come back to you and say, now.

[Mall]

The Wicked Witch of West.

[Rory]

Yeah, now when they. When they're really witches now. Now they're. They're really taking on this wicked thing, and now they're witches for real. I'm gonna come back to Damaris. I'm like, okay, now let's speak to this. Are they still trolling us? Cause something is. I. Listen, man. I love. See, I only went to the See the movie because I love both of them. Like, I don't. That's not my type of movie to go watch. So I was like, yeah, I've seen part one. Part two is out. I loved it. You know, the performance. They're singing. I was like, yeah, let me go see it. But I'm just looking at everything, and I'm just like, something is different with them. This time around, like, what is. It wasn't like this for part one. So, like, I'm. That's all I'm speaking.

[Mall]

You're just a concerned citizen.

[Rory]

That's all. I'm just. Listen, I'm just a fan, you know, a fan of two.

The last note. Cynthia. That Cynthia hit. Can I hit that? Peach, stop playing.

[Mall]

You can try it.

[Peach]

It's him repeating everything Peach said back to him just to make sure he didn't make it. Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm like, wait, what are you talking about? Like, come on, man. No, Absolutely not.

[Mall]

I want to ask Damaris, have you ever been in a situation or seen the situation with two female best friends? You know, the women that are besties, they're not bisexual, but they're besties and they're fake gay with each other. Like, they would never.

[Rory]

Like, they just blow smoke in each other's mouth.

[Mall]

Yeah. They would never bump coochie's. They're not like. But they'll, you know, coochie. They'll. They'll kiss after the hookah thing just for, like, laughs or, like, do a selfie. They're not really bisexual. They're just drunk and besties. Has there been a situation where one.

Wasn'T doing the bestie place and the other bestie had to find that out the hard way?

[Peach]

Yes. That happens very.

[Rory]

When one wasn't doing the bestie. What?

[Mall]

Sometimes one girl is actually bisexual and this isn't just fun. Bestie energy at the hookah spot. She's here for game time. Some of them don't know she wants to bump coochie.

[Peach]

Some of them don't know, though. Some of them don't know.

[Rory]

Some of them don't know. What?

[Peach]

So a lot. Some women will have that relationship with a close friend of theirs and not realize that they're really sexually attracted until they've been doing the whole fake gay thing. And it's like. Oh, like, it's stirring up feelings in me. Yeah, for sure.

[Rory]

Like, don't.

[Peach]

That's how I found out I was gay.

[Rory]

How did you find out you were gay?

[Peach]

I found that out from playing gay and then realizing, oh, I'm not playing. Yeah. I found that out when I was younger.

[Mall]

Now, was the bestie. She was bisexual and was trying to turn you out or. Okay.

[Peach]

Nope. She was straight.

[Rory]

And y' all had. This is something that y' all would do when y' all was, like, hanging out.

[Peach]

No, just. Just. I don't want to get too deep into detail with it for her own protection, but yeah, like, yeah.

[Rory]

Her own protection is crazy. No.

[Mall]

These days.

[Rory]

This is your friend.

[Mall]

They put our address on the Internet, so. I mean, exactly.

[Peach]

So.

[Rory]

Yo, Damaris finding out she's gay because she was just playing around. It's hilarious, bro.

[Peach]

It happen. It happens a lot. It happens a lot.

[Mall]

That's every episode of Euphoria. It's like, I wasn't gay. I am now gay.

[Rory]

Oh, my God. That is hilarious.

[Mall]

I'm sure that happens a lot, but sometimes, like, you know how.

[Rory]

See, that's why I tell. Don't play gay games with me.

[Peach]

You going to find out you what.

[Mall]

Male besties do that.

[Rory]

That's another thing. But, you know. You know the game.

[Peach]

White people, White frat boys.

[Rory]

Yeah, y' all play the games. Y'. All. Y' all do the games where you. Y'.

[Mall]

All. You know, I get drunk and kiss my homeboy.

[Peach]

You, like, grab a ball in the locker room.

[Rory]

I have never grabbing a ball in the locker if it ain't a basketball period. Like, you know. You know the games that white boys play. Like, I'll be standing here talking to a girl. My wife come up behind me and pull my shorts down to, like, you know.

[Mall]

Okay, so that's. That's our game.

[Rory]

The frat games. The frat games. Y play those type of games.

[Peach]

I never slapped each other's ass, but, like, gripping a. Gripping the. Like, the cuff. Good game. But you gripped the cuff.

[Rory]

Nah, we ain't play that in my hood. That. That never. That game didn't make it uptown after.

[Mall]

A good game is.

[Rory]

Yeah, like, I don't like leaving your hand. Yeah, like that. We didn't need that jump shot that bad. Where you got to grab my ass, bro.

[Peach]

I always thought that that good game was weird anyway. That has mad body parts. Why are you tapping his ass?

[Rory]

Well, it's not really. Like, we're not looking at it, like, tapping his ass. It's kind of like a pat on the back. Like.

[Peach]

But it's mad back. Like. Like a man's ass is little as fuck.

[Mall]

It's mad back might be gayer.

[Peach]

You. Nah, you skip the back and go and tap his ass.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's a little homoerotic.

[Mall]

Yo, I'm not here to defend it. I don't. I don't fully understand it either, but, yeah, I mean, I guess because your arms are there after the free throw, it's just like, in reaching distance.

[Rory]

I'm not going to try to clean it up.

[Mall]

I didn't invent it.

[Rory]

I'm a victim of that as well. Like, I've done it. I've received it. Like, let's be honest, I played ball growing up. Like. But we weren't looking at it. At it, like, yo, that's some weird. It was just that we did, but.

[Peach]

And then around don't, like, have no meat on your ass. And they can around and slap your, like, good game, you. And you got recoil. Crazy.

[Mall]

Yeah. Jiggling after.

[Peach]

That's crazy.

[Rory]

Your ass having recall as a man is wild, dog.

[Peach]

Like, that is wild.

[Mall]

And somebody notices it. Like, you got the football tights on and they saw it.

[Peach]

Yeah, like. Cause that's my thing. Like, so y' all do that to, like, even no ass. Even the home. Cause everybody know the football player with the fat ass. Like, we all went to school with the football player with the fat ass. You telling me you tapped his ass and you ain't feel it bounce back? Nah, you niggas is gay. I don't care.

[Mall]

We had on gloves.

[Rory]

I didn't play football.

[Peach]

Basketball shorts looser.

[Rory]

Yeah. Listen, baby date, I'm not here to argue with you or defend it. It's crazy. It is some weird shit. Like, I get it. But, you know, we weren't looking at it. It through that lens.

[Peach]

Some of y' all wasn't. Some of y'.

[Rory]

All.

[Peach]

That's how some of y' all discovered y' all was gay.

[Rory]

That's a fact. I will. I definitely wasn't looking through it through that lens. I definitely. I didn't. That's why I stopped playing ball so many years ago.

[Mall]

I was like, that's why you gave up the game?

[Rory]

I was like, yeah, this ain't for me.

[Mall]

You would have went to the league if they wasn't slapping asses.

[Rory]

They wasn't slapping asses. I might have went pro. I ain't gonna lie. Might have went pro.

[Mall]

That's how straight you are. I gave up.

[Rory]

Yeah. I was like, I don't like that.

[Mall]

So what happens if you get up after this and peach goes good pot? Yeah.

[Rory]

No, we're not doing it.

[Mall]

That's sexual harassment.

[Rory]

It was definitely that 100.

[Mall]

That would be funny if. If an athlete, because you would have some grounds for that. You're in the workplace. Yeah, but if my teammate smacked me on the ass after a free throw, I'm in the workplace. I'm on the clock. I didn't ask for that.

[Rory]

That's just weird, though. But I get it. But, Baby D, I'm glad you shed light on finding out how you're gay. I think that's important. I think women need to hear that.

[Peach]

I mean, but I was very young. I won't say which age again because it will expose the friend. But I was very young, so I.

[Mall]

Just think it happens a lot in adulthood because, as we said, women aren't really friends with each other, and they meet, like, a lot of friends, like, at the club and become besties or, like, they'll have IG baddie friends. I think some of them ain't playing gay. And I think some people at studio.

[Peach]

Sessions and say that you're your friends. I'm so tired of y' all shooting at women. Y' all be me. Y' all be meeting me. Y' all be meeting at the bar. Y' all happen to be two. That's cool. Now, y' all friends. Like, y' all in the studio together now, y'. All.

[Mall]

That's survival. If I got a double date, at least, like, let me try to get along with homie.

[Rory]

I've never met a random man at a bar, and we're still friends to this day. Let me just put that out there.

[Mall]

Yeah, I don't think I've ever done that either.

[Rory]

This never happened.

[Mall]

That's. That's a wild thing.

[Peach]

Y' all meet the random homie of a random homie. And now y' all friends. Like, now y' all boys. Now y' all on a boy.

[Mall]

So you mean, like.

[Rory]

So, like, you mean, like, if Rory brings a friend in here and, like, we all kicking it and, like, friends?

[Peach]

Not even.

[Rory]

Well, not today. I'm not gonna leave you here be like, yo, that's my friend. But, like, if he's around for the next two, three years and we hanging.

[Mall]

Out until people meet.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's like, like, yeah, that's like, yo, I met him.

[Mall]

Damn. You didn't know that girl then. You got to know her and married her. That's my. But the marriage do the same thing what I do.

[Rory]

All right, we not doing that.

[Peach]

We ain't gonna do that. Not right not. Not this week.

[Rory]

Not this week. This.

[Peach]

Today is not. This is not the week.

[Rory]

This is not the week for that. Okay? I'm sorry, cuz.

[Peach]

I know where you going and before. I don't even want to have to steer you out. You know what I mean?

[Rory]

I'm not. I'm not. I would never do that. I'm not going there. I'm not going there.

[Mall]

What's fucked up is that is a double standard with men. Like, women can meet their friends any and everywhere. Men like, we. Yeah. We would look at you a little weird if he was like, yeah, you know, I was just, you know, having a beer, and he was right next to me, and we became friends.

[Rory]

Yeah. I'd be like, we can't meet each other.

[Mall]

I think that guy has something else on his mind.

[Rory]

Yeah. Yeah. We can't meet. We can't. Because then it's like, yo, what's up with your man? Why he. They keep hitting, trying to talk and text me, like, what's up with him, man?

[Mall]

Like, you have to be like. And like, we kicked it. And like, you can't just meet men and be friends with them.

[Peach]

But, see, that's why the male loneliness epidemic. Y' all ain't got no friends because y' all be afraid to meet people.

[Rory]

Not afraid. I just don't fuck with people.

[Peach]

You should probably fuck with people just.

[Mall]

Randomly chatting it up.

[Peach]

You got 400 brothers and sisters.

[Rory]

You don't get nobody else in your house. I got my friends. I got. I'm cool. I don't need, like, to meet new friends.

[Peach]

You had a best friend, Ma?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Peach]

What's his name?

[Rory]

Mike.

[Peach]

Mike. I ain't never heard of Mike.

[Rory]

Why I ain't never met Mike before, probably, I say.

[Peach]

Mm.

Nah, it's not ringing a bell either. He ever been or he ever been around?

[Rory]

He was. He came to the. He came when we had the. He was here when we had the people pull up for the. For the party. Oh, you might have left. He pulled up after.

[Mall]

Oh, no, I think I was. I don't think I was there either.

[Peach]

Oh, you met him?

[Rory]

My guy that owns the store.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah, I met a bunch of times. Okay.

[Rory]

He was here. He came here. You might have left, though.

[Peach]

Okay.

[Rory]

Yeah, but that's like, we grew up together. Like, I might have known him since I was like.

[Peach]

So, like, he would say, mall is my best friend.

[Rory]

I mean, I won't. I don't know if we say best friends. We wouldn't say that. We don't put that on it.

[Mall]

MySpace. Top eight. You guys would both be number one.

[Rory]

That's a little weird, too. But, like, we know, like, that's. That's like family at this point.

[Peach]

Okay.

[Rory]

I was like. I think I was 11 and he was nine when we first met.

[Peach]

So. Is that what makes men best friends? Is that time? Is it time? Cause Rory's best friend has been his best friend since he was, like, 7:2. So I always wonder what men like. Cause I know with women, it's about who we feel closest to. With men. Is it like.

[Rory]

Well, for me. Well, for me. I'm speaking for myself. It's yes, time. But it's also experiences. It's also going through things together. And then like just that bond of like, we cannot speak for three months, like at all. And then I can call him. We pick up right where we left off three months ago. Like, we don't have to see each other every day. He got his life, his family, I got my life. You know what I'm saying? It's like, yeah, it's like we don't have to. Like our relationship, our bond is not contingent on us speaking every day. Like, I don't need to speak to nobody every single day. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, you know when somebody is. Cause y' all been through some things and loyalty was tested and you know, things like that. Integrity was tested and you just see who somebody is and then you look up and be like, damn, like we've known each other over 30 years. Like, shit is crazy. So, yeah, that's like. I can't even say best friend. That's. That's family at this point. That's not even like a best friend.

[Mall]

Yeah. Cause even like. Yeah. I think women define best friend differently too. Because there may be people I'm closer with than my best friend at the moment just cause of where my life is. To your point, I'm not speak. But that's still my best friend. Because it's been 30 years. But like, we don't speak every day. Like, I. I'm probably closer with Raven on like, Raven's your best. Like, like daily talking about what's going on in my life than him. But I wouldn't say that Raven's my best best friend. I don't know. I would say I just.

[Peach]

Your best friend.

[Mall]

She's definitely one of my best friends, for sure. But I don't know.

[Rory]

But the best family.

[Mall]

It is.

[Rory]

It is. Raven is fan. That's not. That's what I'm saying. I can't put best.

[Peach]

But your best friend should be family. Like your best friend should be family.

[Rory]

Yes, Agree. I didn't meet my best friend in a bar over a beer.

[Peach]

Yeah, but also what men require from their friendships as well, knowing that y' all don't require much.

[Rory]

Men don't require much.

We don't.

[Peach]

No, it's just the things y' all require.

[Mall]

Those are the important things.

[Rory]

Loyalty, honesty.

[Peach]

No, y' all love requiring loyalty and not giving it out.

[Rory]

Nah, that's. That's that's young that do that. That's little boys that don't that do that.

[Peach]

Ooh, Talk that grown man talk more.

[Mall]

Cheating is talk that grown man talk.

[Rory]

Cheating a young, young boy sport.

[Peach]

See who bought up che or a.

[Mall]

Rich man sport that too.

[Rory]

But, yeah, I'm n. I you. When you loyal, it's just something that you don't even have to think about. It's just who you are. You don't have to think about it.

[Mall]

Yeah, well, you know what?

[Rory]

So don't put me in that box, baby.

[Peach]

D. All right. I'm sorry.

[Mall]

On Sunday.

Sunday, my free afternoon, I'm going to go to the bar and just. Just chat it up with a fella.

[Becky Milligan]

You should.

[Peach]

I'm serious. You never know what you have in common with people. And then y' all be like, girls aren't really friends. You guys meet each other at a club and suddenly you're friends. Well, yeah. Girls make connection. And then if. Hey, if I'm getting to know this person and they become deeper in my life, they become deeper in my life. If not, then we get rid of them. Bitch. Weird.

[Rory]

If I go to a bar and a random man just starts having conversations with me, and he's not the one making my drinks. Get the fuck away from me.

[Mall]

He's either gay or I'm getting lined.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's one of the other. That's just the world we live in. Either he's trying to take me home or he's trying to take my kidney. One of the other.

[Peach]

Well, not exact. Not exactly.

[Mall]

Either way, an organ is involved.

[Rory]

Yeah, either way. Either way, it's not happening.

[Mall]

I'm an organ donor that night regardless.

What.

[Peach]

But. But sometimes, like, I've been to, like, I've been on the phone with a man who was at a bar, and, like, there was, like, a chatty white boy next to him. He drunk and he just yapping. He hate his wife. He just needs somebody to talk to. Like, I. I think that that's, like, as humans, that we should.

[Mall]

I mean, I've talked to somebody at an airport bar, but we knew that we're getting on separate flights and never. I don't even want to know your name.

[Rory]

Yeah. We'd never seen each other again.

[Peach]

Well, what if you guys have, like, you know, you could do business together. Together?

[Mall]

Oh, sure. Well, that's different.

[Rory]

That's different. If the conversation goes there and you find out, like, he does something, and y' all kind of in the same industry, like, yeah, that's.

[Peach]

And then you guys Become friends.

[Rory]

I don't know about that. It's a little gay.

That's gay. Jersey swapping is gay.

[Peach]

What's jersey swapping?

[Mall]

After games, athletes will swap jerseys and take photos. And now people are doing it outside of the club with their button up shirts.

[Peach]

Man, I'm not.

[Rory]

See, that's crazy. I can see Peach doing that, though. Though. That's definitely.

[Peach]

That's definitely Peach's bar.

[Rory]

That's Peach Bag.

No.

[Mall]

Talking to strangers at the bar. But like, to continue on, I get at your local, like, cheers. Like, that guy's there every time you're there. I could see you forming some type of a friendship. But to just go to a random bar, meet a guy, be like, let's exchange numbers and get lunch.

[Rory]

That's crazy.

[Mall]

But.

[Peach]

But listen, I know it sounds crazy because it's not.

[Rory]

It's just how Peach. Because Peach will be with her. He'll be. He'll sitting by the bar and it be women. Like, he'll be talking to a woman.

[Peach]

Man, PE Be. No, PE Be talking to mad, mad fellas. Like at the bar.

[Rory]

Bro, you heard PE PE Said n the fellas.

[Mall]

Like, if you sitting there talking about the game, like, that's not holding or.

[Rory]

Like, yeah, that's different.

[Mall]

Like we're watching the game. That's fine.

[Peach]

But y' all should stop be. But I've said this plenty of times. When y' all say women, we can't do anything, or women call us gay. No, it be y'. All. Y' all put so many gay strengths on each other. Like just. Just be humans and you would have so much more fulfilling.

[Rory]

We talking shit. Like, of course, if I go to a bar, I've had conversations with.

[Peach]

But you can take. You can if y' all get on.

[Rory]

We're not about to change numbers. No, we not doing that.

[Mall]

Usually anytime I'm going out, there's a lot of mutual. Like, if I'm talking to this person, they know somebody that I know that's here. So that's why I've never found out. But I'm saying just, if I go across the street and just sit down and just start chatting it up and.

[Peach]

Then you find out you a homie, got a lot of people.

[Mall]

I'm like, come see the office. And you guys are like, how'd you meet him? Like, oh, we're. We met at a bar.

[Peach]

Fire, I think. I don't know.

[Rory]

There's nothing fire about that. Get this fucking random guy out of here before he kills all of us and wears our Skin for a fucking jacket.

[Peach]

So is it so. Hold on. Cause let's get into a deeper conversation and we could have had this on Patreon, but whatever. Is this because men are dangerous? Is it because men are dangerous and we're afraid of men and you are on your guard?

[Mall]

No. Well, yes, to answer your question, yes, men are dangerous.

[Rory]

Well, yes, men are dangerous. I'm not afraid of these.

[Mall]

But it's not. Yeah, I don't have a fear. It's just of like. Like, it's a mental thing of. Why would a person. Like, this isn't how things go. There has to be an agenda here that has to either do with murder or gay.

[Rory]

That happened to me recently too.

[Mall]

Murder or gay.

[Rory]

Some guy was like, how's your night? And then I'm like, good. He's like, how do you want to end it?

He was, what?

[Peach]

Wait, Peach, I need to know that. The mic picture.

[Rory]

How was your night? Peach said, the dude said, how's your night? How do you want to end it?

[Peach]

Yeah. Oh, that.

[Mall]

So you did it?

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So you did it?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Peach]

When he added in, like, yeah, we were like, drunk as hell.

[Rory]

Ah, yeah. Yeah.

[Mall]

No, Peter's a people pleaser.

[Rory]

Yeah, he's at the bar talking, man, but pleaser. I can't do that.

[Mall]

But I think there are probably, like, maybe it's a city thing. Like, maybe that's. We have that mentality. Maybe out, like in small towns, like it's. It's common to just meet somebody and be like, let's be friends.

[Rory]

No, you could. You could meet people. We just talking shit. It's okay to meet people, but I'm not meeting a random guy at the bar. And then we exchanging numbers that night and like, that's just. And then we. And then what? We hang out. We meet here again tomorrow.

[Peach]

Not tomorrow, but maybe later on. Like, you had a good time with him. You wanna have another good time?

[Rory]

I'm not having. I don't have a good time with me.

[Mall]

That's not true. You've had fun with men.

[Rory]

N. I don't.

[Peach]

Bro.

[Rory]

I don't like being around none of you. I have seen.

[Mall]

I have been out with you and Biggs and both of you.

[Rory]

That's my brother.

[Mall]

Ear to ear grins.

[Rory]

That's my brother. You talking about my brother.

[Peach]

You've been having fun with him since the dawn of time, bro.

[Rory]

30 something years.

[Peach]

Mad fun. You niggas had mad fun together when we lived in.

[Rory]

On the same block, easy. Across the street from each other.

[Peach]

Nobody's calling Y' all gay. Y' all had fun together.

[Rory]

Because I'm talking about meeting random men at the bar.

[Peach]

He was random. Him at one point.

[Rory]

Yeah, but we were both. We were kids. What are you talking about?

[Peach]

So you need to explore your childlike wonder.

[Rory]

No, no, no, no, no. See, that's how you end up on a documentary, talking about, I don't know what happened, and woke up, quote, fast and furious.

[Mall]

The first one, when he brings Paul Walker around and his man Vince is like, yo, you don't know this guy. And he said, there's a time I didn't know you. He said, yeah, we were six years old.

[Rory]

Yeah, like that don't count. We was kid.

[Mall]

We're 25.

Paul was a fed.

[Rory]

Yeah, he was a fed. That's what I'm saying.

[Mall]

The whole time, Vince was right. Like, don't bring his dream around us.

[Rory]

You have to have a. You have to have a. A recommendation. Who is this guy? Where is he from?

[Peach]

I think you should be like that too. I. I've.

[Rory]

You think I don't.

[Peach]

No, I'm not.

[Rory]

You think I don't need recommendations?

[Peach]

I know you do. I'm saying to our broader audience, I think that people should date like that as well, because I have almost always been like that. I needed my. All of my serious relationships, excluding the most recent one, have come from the recommendation because I need to know somebody who knows you. If they going around saying, you got that? I need to know somebody. Who.

[Rory]

You got the what?

[Peach]

That.

[Mall]

Ah.

[Rory]

What are the, ah.

[Peach]

It could be anything.

[Rory]

Okay?

[Peach]

But, like, I need. I need someone who knows you. Like, I need to know. Like, are you a rat? I need to know someone knows you.

[Mall]

That would be tough for a woman to find out three or four months in that you. That you dating a rat.

[Rory]

A girl stopped talking to me one night because one of my homeboys ratted on her birthday. Like, we was having a conversation, and, like, we was like, the energy rat friend. Yeah, the energy was like, is that.

[Mall]

How you found out he ratchet?

[Rory]

No, no, no. Funny thing. Yeah. I didn't even know. And then we was just talking about, like, mutual people, and I was naming some names. She was like, wait, from where? And I was like, yeah, so. Nah, that's my man. She was like, yo, he ratted on my brother.

[Peach]

You a ninja Turtle?

[Rory]

I said, what? Yo, I'm talking. She was like, yeah, nah, like, we can't. We can't hang out. Out.

[Peach]

Damn.

[Rory]

Yeah, he's a rat. Straight. I swear to God.

[Peach]

Now I gotta go Slap my homie if I ain't get some Because I found out that you.

[Becky Milligan]

Cuz she.

[Peach]

She know you a rat. And I. I ain't gonna say.

[Rory]

We had just met and we. The. But the vibe was we was all the way vibing. Like it was. We was having a good. Like a good night.

[Peach]

Okay?

[Rory]

Like, we was hanging out. We was, you know, it was at the. At the. I think we went to a show. We met at a concert. I forgot who concert it was, but she was friends with somebody else I know gunna. And then definitely not gonna. And then we went. We went to like the. The bar restaurant or something. And then just in conversation, just naming people. She told me she was from. I said, yeah, my peoples used to live out there. You know, once you do that. Who your peoples? Da da da. She like, wait, da da da. She started like, how he looked. Brown skin. I was like, yeah. She was like, he from New York. I was like, yeah, he's a rat. He ratted on my brother. I was like, what? That shit threw me all the way off. But that's how I found out he ratted. Cause I remember when he did. He was locked up in that city. In that city. He caught a case in that city. I remembered all of that. So when she said that, I mean, I had to believe her. Like, I was like, there's no way she would just say that and be lying. Like, I was like, damn. Like, she literally the rest of the night didn't say two words to me.

[Mall]

Yeah, damn.

[Rory]

I respect it though. I totally respect that. Like, her brother. I'm talking about her blood brother. She was like. She's like, what? She was like, yo, he's a rat. I was like, damn.

[Mall]

I got pressed at a birthday party by a few. Few gentlemen, a few upstanding citizens, and the person that got ratted on stepped in and was like, yo, chill. He doesn't know. Because I was confused as of what I. I was getting pressed for. For hanging out with a rat. I was like, what rat I hang out with? I'm a. I'm a civilian. I'm like, I'm going through my memory trying to like, rat lover. Like, when they're talking to me in my head, I'm like, who do? Like. And then when I got more details and the person that was ratted on even stepped in.

I knew of the situation, but everyone went to jail and it was before I even met any of them. But it was when everyone went to jail, so I just assumed everyone went to jail and Just came home.

[Rory]

Oh, I know who you talking about. He's a rat.

[Mall]

Oh, no, I know that now.

[Rory]

He ratted on a man. He's a rat. He's a rat.

[Mall]

So your man stepped in and was like, chill, chill. We're cool. To this day, actually, just saw him at a baby shower. He stepped in.

[Rory]

He's a noob, right?

[Mall]

Yeah, he stepped in, was like, yo, chill, chill. Everyone relax.

[Peach]

He.

[Mall]

He has no idea. He was in high school when this happened. He has no idea.

[Rory]

All right, I can see how that happened.

[Mall]

What the fuck up? I ever went to jail, I just. I never even, like, questioned it. It was. I thought everyone sat down, everyone came home, and it is what it is.

[Rory]

Yeah, I remember that. That's crazy. I do remember that.

[Mall]

I almost got my ass whooped at that birthday party. It was four on one. I was. And they caught me.

[Peach]

He was trembling.

[Mall]

Nah, I was just trying to. Cause they had got me. I was at the corner of the ball car and, like, it was either the door that I could have even went to was blocked by two people. So it was me just in the corner, like. All right, at least if I just go like this.

[Peach]

Yeah, you gotta.

[Mall]

I'll just wait it out. Yeah, I'll just wait it out while I get pounded off.

[Peach]

That's my thing. So if that's hap. If, like, that is happening.

[Rory]

Hey, that's why you can't meet random men at bars.

[Peach]

Well, neither one of them was random. They was both y' all friends and they didn't tell. Listen, random sometimes could be more trustworthy. I feel like if you read it, you need to tell your homeboys, you read it now I'm in danger.

[Rory]

100.

[Peach]

I'm in danger, and I don't even know what the. Is going on.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Peach]

That's rough.

[Mall]

No, I hear that. But. All right, listen. Have you guys seen the movie I love you, man?

[Rory]

It sounds familiar.

[Mall]

It's. It's with those. Those comedy guys. Can you pull it up? Paul Ruddy Rudd. He's getting married and he's.

[Rory]

Paul Rudd has so many. I don't know. I feel like every Paul Rudd movie is the same movie.

[Mall]

They're all funny.

[Rory]

Like Ant man and I love you, man. Might be the same.

[Mall]

It's definitely not the same movie, man.

[Peach]

And I love you, man.

[Rory]

I love you, man. Is this Ant man with, like, dates? Yeah, like, you just go on a date.

[Mall]

So the premise of the movie is he gets engaged to the woman that's right there, and they're planning the wedding. And she has, like, I don't know, four or five bridesmaids or something. And he starts, like, I guess he moved around as a kid and, like, never really had friends. So now, as a grown adult, he needs to go out and find male friends so he can have a wedding party for his wedding. And it goes through the first guy he meets, tries to kiss him.

The other one, I did see this weirdos, like. Yeah, yeah, it kind of is what we're talking about, how weird it is as a grown man to go out and. And seek friends.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Which is. Nothing wrong with that. It's just.

[Peach]

Just.

[Rory]

It's just weird.

[Mall]

This is the result of what it is. A guy's probably going to try to kiss you. Or you, in Peach's case, you're going to meet some strange people. There's a reason why these people are just chatting up with a stranger as well.

[Rory]

Got to be careful out there.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

Yeah. Because anytime I'm filling out an application, I just put, you know, high school diploma, and I feel weird about it. So you want to go because there's so many other bubbles. Like, I should just. I feel like we should go back.

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Peach]

So, y', all, it's that time of year again. Spotify, Antwraps, Apple, Replay. Time for us to see what the fuck y' all really been listening to compared to what y' all say y' all been listening to.

[Mall]

So if it matches up, I mean, sometimes I think it's accurate than other times I don't think it is. And I also listen to. Listen to a lot on my itunes than I do with streaming, more or less. But I sent my 15 because in my top five, three of the artists are the same. Yeah.

Clips and Malice being in my top five is. Is a little funny.

[Peach]

Well, that's because they all get credit for.

[Mall]

Yeah. Primary artists for everything. So that really should just be the clips in there. But I'll just read it in order. Push Frank Ocean clips. Freddie Gibbs, Malice Jay, Electronica, Chance the Rapper, Kendrick, Drake, Mac Miller, Jay Z, Beyonce, Outkast, Non Solange.

[Peach]

That's so you. Shocker.

[Mall]

I mean, that sounds about if. If I'm as far as like Replay outside of new projects coming out. Yeah, that. That pretty much checks out for you.

[Rory]

Don't got no Rory in Serato.

[Mall]

Listening to yourself stuff like two years after the album to make the top 15. To me, it's kind of crazy.

[Rory]

I mean, it's not you. You're not on the right.

[Mall]

No, I know, but I've ran those songs like, I get it. There's like 30 versions of each song. I mix them like I'm kind of.

[Rory]

You don't want to hear that.

[Mall]

Hate those songs.

[Peach]

Like.

[Rory]

I know what you mean.

[Mall]

Even though I was the year my album did come out, I think I did have myself in. In my top five. But that's just because I was excited that it was out and was trying to do a streaming form for my own house.

[Rory]

Yeah, there you go.

[Mall]

But I. I did. I did pretty well. This is Spotify. Actually. Ryan from Avant Garden just sent to me for. For my personal artist page. 1.7 million listeners, 266,000 hours, 6 million streams, 183 countries for an album that's came out in 2023.

[Rory]

Really good.

[Mall]

That's not too bad.

[Peach]

Have some. And I know you recoup. You getting all that money. Can I have.

[Mall]

Oh, no, I recouped already.

[Peach]

Like, I know you recouped. So all that.

[Mall]

We're independent. No, we on the rust. We on the Russ program. Program. We actually get money from streaming.

[Rory]

That's fire.

[Peach]

Talk your shit. All right. Going into Mall's top Artists.

[Rory]

Who do we got? Drake.

[Peach]

Drake.

[Rory]

Drake. Party Next Door, Bryson Tiller, Nick Grant, Tam Impala, 21 Savage, Leon Thomas, Don Toliver, Yeba Wale, Majid Jordan, Chino Pakas, DOA Cat, Alex Isley and Summer Walker.

[Peach]

Okay.

[Mall]

Is. Yeah.

[Peach]

Who's Chino? Paul.

[Rory]

He's a Mexican artist. He's on the. He's probably. He probably made it on it because he's on the sexy songs for you album.

[Peach]

Ah, okay.

[Rory]

So I. I burnt that album all year, so.

[Peach]

Yeah, I can tell that you did because Drake and party are right next door to each other. Right next.

[Rory]

It's a party next door. You didn't know it was a party next door?

[Mall]

No, and I think. I think yeah's at number nine just because she's on that album.

[Peach]

Probably.

[Mall]

Like, are you listening to other. I love.

[Rory]

I listen to Yev.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I mean. Yeah. It doesn't shock me if you listen together, but I'm asking if she had nine because. Because Drake and party at one and two.

[Rory]

For sure. Yeah.

[Mall]

Because that. Yeah. Same way I have pushed clips and malice in my. That makes sense. Nick didn't make my artist top, but top song. He's at number two.

[Rory]

Dope.

[Mall]

Yeah. Nick Grant.

[Rory]

Something to say.

[Mall]

Something to say was. Was my number two plate song, Fire. All right. Damaris. Your artist.

[Peach]

My. My artists are so obvious. Number one is Maritis.

[Rory]

Baby D. Baby D. I like it. Baby D. How much Mariah.

[Mall]

She lifts her rhymes, man.

[Rory]

How many Mariah scientists are you banging?

[Peach]

Let me tell you my minutes. This is how sad it is. Like, I'll tell you the fucking minutes difference between her and my number two artist, which is Drake, which we'll talk about in a second. Mariah had 1700 minutes and Drake had 1200. Like Mariah. Yeah.

Yeah.

[Rory]

You gonna turn that Mariah to Scientist on.

[Peach]

Every day, all day.

[Rory]

I see.

[Peach]

Every day, all day, my number two artist is Drake. Now I have. This is not my first. Shut up. Peace.

[Rory]

Anytime. You have to win now.

[Mall]

Now. Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, yo, what's going on?

[Peach]

No, listen. So what I'm.

[Rory]

I don't see no Kendrick up there.

[Peach]

Is Drake should be either at 7 next to party or Party should be up next to Drake because. Because Drake is up here because of some sexy songs for you. You see what I'm saying? So I'm just so confused why they're right. Not. Not right next to each other. Like how they are on Moles. I don't. I don't.

[Rory]

Cause you was banging Coco Jones more.

[Peach]

Huh?

[Rory]

You was banging Coco Jones more than Party.

[Mall]

So you're saying you only listen to sexy songs for you in 2025? Not the Drake.

[Peach]

That's why they should be on my top. That's why he should be within my top 10 is because of that some sexy songs for you album. That's why.

[Mall]

But you didn't play other Drake.

[Peach]

I do play other Drake, but not enough for him to be number number two. Not this year. So that's. I was just. So I was just confused. I'm like, I can understand it being on there because of the album, but Party should be right next to him. But whatever. I didn't, I didn't. Maybe I played Views one too many times. I don't feel. I have no clue.

[Rory]

It's okay, baby.

[Peach]

Dude, everybody knows I'm a Drake fan. I've never not said I was a Drake fan.

[Rory]

I know. That's why I said.

[Peach]

Kills me.

[Rory]

That's why I said it's okay. You ain't gotta explain it.

[Peach]

No, I'm not explaining myself. I was just confused about that because yours made sense. I didn't know why mine was like that, but whatever. Number three would be Coco Jones. Number four, Janet Jackson. Jackson. Janet being four is so funny. Number four, Janet Jackson. Number five, Keanu the Day because of that Cut Ties album. Number six, Cardi B. Cardi made it. Cardi was always gonna make it whether she released album or not. 7. SZA. 8. Party Next Door. 9. Summer Walker. 10. Megan Thee, Stallion Kehlani, Beyonce, Shanae Aiko, Lotto and the Clips. The only hip hop being on here. Well, the only male hip hop being on here outside of Drake is the clips. Is funny as.

[Mall]

What? Why do you feel like you listen more?

[Peach]

No, I listen to the. I listen to. I was surprised the album went higher, honestly. Okay, they weren't higher.

[Mall]

But yeah, I guess we can move to albums. For me, number one clips. Let God sort them out, period. Number two, Blonde Frank Ocean. Number three, Starline, Chance the Rapper. Number four, Mac Miller Balloonerism. 5. Salon Seat at the Table. 6. J Electronica Written Testimony. 7. Kendrick Lamar, GNX.

[Rory]

8.

[Mall]

Alfredo. 2. Freddie Gibbs and Alchemist. 9. Beyonce, Cowboy Carter. Number 10, The Velvet Rope. Janet Jackson.

[Peach]

Good job.

[Mall]

Number 11. I Took It Personal. Nick Grant. Number 12, Jay Z 444. 13. Freddie Gibbs, Sold Souls Separately. 14. Some Sexy Songs for You and 15. Godson. I did not know I listened to nah Godson that much this year.

[Peach]

That's funny as shit. Was there a specific song on there that you listen to a lot?

[Rory]

I think I know I can't be what I want.

[Mall]

I've been teaching Amara about the pyramids.

[Rory]

That's Roy's affirmations every morning.

[Mall]

That's hilarious.

I guess this would be accurate. Like, I'm not. Yeah, I guess this is accurate.

I. I don't know these things. Like, I don't remember what I listened to all year. And like the different.

[Rory]

Yeah, I love looking at this because I'm like, what? Because sometimes music just be playing, spinning. I don't even hear that in the back. It's just honestly.

[Peach]

Never mind being Mall's fourth most listened to album. Where were you at? Yeah, like, were you. You didn't even go on vacation this year.

[Rory]

Me too. You just gotta play that and you on vacation. It's the vibe.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Even to the point. Because you. We'll get to your list. But you have Mutt there. How? Mutt is not in my top 15 albums. Makes zero sense to me because when I go into the car, it's either the Clips album or Mutt. If I don't know what I want to listen to, I'll just throw those two on. And Mutt's not even in here. Or is Leon in? Mut my.

[Peach]

Yeah, Leon's not even. Do you have Leon on your itunes though? Or like, you got the cd.

[Mall]

I bought Mutt. So maybe that's why that might. Maybe because I bought Mutt.

[Peach]

That might be it. Yeah.

[Mall]

Okay. Yeah, I guess so. All right.

[Rory]

All right. Well, for my top albums of 2025, number one, some sexy songs for you, party and Drake. Number two, solace and the vices, Bryson tiller, number three, her loss, Drake and 21, savage, number four. Honestly, nevermind. Drake, number five, deadbeat, tame impala, number six, fall the dog, scary hours edition, number seven. I took it personal, Nick grime, number eight, mutt, Leon Thomas, number nine. Everything is a Lot Wale. That's fine. His shit just came out.

Great album.

[Mall]

If that would have came out in February, it definitely would be on my list.

[Rory]

But number 10, VI. Is that how you say the VI doja cat?

[Peach]

Probably V or VAI.

[Rory]

V, V?

[Peach]

I don't know.

[Rory]

V doja cat, number 11, certified lover boy, Drake, number 12, obsidian Naomi Sharon, number 13, a written testimony leaflets, J electronica, number 14, God does like ugly J I D. And number 15. What did I miss? The single? I don't know. I didn't realize I played that song so much.

[Peach]

You got five Drake albums and a single?

[Mall]

Yeah. Wait, how did a single make it here?

[Peach]

Well, because if it's only just a single and there's nothing else. It's technically an album.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Peach]

But people usually don't play that enough for it to qualify with the other album. So.

[Rory]

Yeah, that being number 15 was just like. I don't know. I must. That must have just played that when it first we came out. Just kept playing it.

[Mall]

Yeah. That's kind of what.

[Peach]

Well, for my top albums, obviously Heart Soul Separately by Mariah the Scientist, which just came out in August, so that's interesting. Why not More by Coco Jones is number two. Number three. Some Sexy Songs for your number four. Am I the Drama by Cardi B. Number five, SOS Deluxe six. Cut Ties by Keanu Laday. 7. Master by Mariah Scientist. 8. Let God Sort Them out for the people that was saying, I don't really want the clips to win a Grammy. Number nine, the Velvet Rope by Gina Jackson. 10. Megan Act 22 11, Janet by Janet Jackson. 12 Sugar Honey Ice Tea by Lotto, which I still think is an underrated album. 13 finally over it by Summer Walker. And 14.

[Rory]

You've been banging that summer. That shit.

[Peach]

Yes.

[Mall]

It just came about playing Summer on your shit. I agree. If I had more time, they'd probably be there.

[Peach]

A seat at the Table by those.

[Mall]

Albums in one week.

[Peach]

A Seat at the Table by. Well, it's easy for Summer because that album is kind of long, so, you know, it gets a lot of minutes. A Seat at the Table by Solange always. Because I put that on every time I travel. And 15. Her by her.

[Rory]

Her. Oh, it's good to see her still up there.

[Peach]

Oh, yeah, that too. That two. That two part for forever. One of the greatest R and B albums of our time.

[Mall]

Single skip on that.

[Peach]

One of the greatest R and B albums of our time. I don't care.

[Rory]

We never did find out where him is.

[Mall]

Right In Queens somewhere.

[Peach]

Where is him? Was Him.

[Rory]

He never did find.

[Mall]

Yo. Him wore a mask in the green room. So I. I seriously do not. I still do not know who he is. No. In the green room when we was just kicking it for hours, he had a mask on the whole time.

[Peach]

Did he sound like anybody that we might have like, recognized?

[Jacob Goldstein]

Nah.

[Mall]

Only thing I know is he's from Queens. That's it.

That's the only thing I know.

[Peach]

I'm interest. I'm interested in you guys top five songs. We don't have to go through all 15, but the top five songs this.

[Rory]

Going to be Drake party.

[Peach]

And I'm also. I'm interested in that because so for my Top songs. I sent it to Josh for my top songs. It's very obvious that I am an album girl because all of my top songs are from the same two albums outside of like two songs. So it's like they all my top.

[Rory]

15 songs is the entire album.

[Peach]

It's the entire. Some sexy songs for you.

[Rory]

It's the entire album that plays like a playlist. It's like it sounds like it's like a Pandora station.

[Peach]

Like what about you Roy?

[Mall]

Freddy Gibbs and Mad Lib Practice. Nick Grant. Something to say Ace Trumpets, Starside Intro, Chance the Rapper and then back to the go Chance the Rapper that those should just tell you where I'm at in life. If you go to the lyrical content of all of those, I'm looking at this like Jesus, this is a father in need. Yeah, father, but need. It's a lot of clips here. Five Dollar Pony Rides by Mac Miller. That checks out. That's one of my favorite songs of the year. Schoolboy Q Blue Slides. Super underrated song. Even though came out last year but I still play it all the time. Fruits of the Spirit Electronica.

Grandma Stove, Freddy Gibbs. It's a lot of clips in. In Gibbs. Right.

[Peach]

Really makes sense. And then Chance mine is then literally the entire Coco Jones album and Mariah Scientist album like back to back like he goes Coco, Mariah, Coco. Like it literally is just albums cuz I don't listen to songs individually. It. It surprises me that folded is not on there though. That surprised me.

[Rory]

Raining in Houston. My number one song this year.

[Peach]

I am not surprised at all.

[Mall]

That doesn't shock me whatsoever.

[Peach]

I would think it would be someone. Somebody who loves me or a spider. Super.

[Rory]

That's one number two.

[Mall]

Yeah that.

[Rory]

That all keep going. Want to know what number three is? Nokia.

[Peach]

No. I was about to say no. Kia.

[Mall]

I'm actually kind of shocked the SOS Deluxe wasn't on mine cuz I played that a lot. That came out this year, right?

[Peach]

Yeah, top of the year. That crybaby song. That my turn song.

[Mall]

Yeah. Cuz not. Not only the Deluxe but that Chill Baby record. I ran into the ground. I'm shocked that's not there. Maybe did I buy the deluxe too?

But I feel like I bought the Clips album but maybe I just played on Apple Music. I don't know how this shit works.

[Rory]

But neither do I.

[Mall]

It was close enough. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna argue with Apple.

[Rory]

All right, before we go, I wanna say thank you to everybody who has posted their pods the top podcast of the year that have tagged us and sent it to us. Thank you for listening. Thank you for your continued support. Thank you for all the minutes you have given us for the.

[Becky Milligan]

Sure.

[Rory]

You know what I'm saying? I think. I think we may have been streamed more than some of the top artists in the world this year.

[Peach]

Rory.

[Mall]

Average podcasters are stream more than a list artists. Like, that's why we need our just doing these DSPs. But, yeah, also Justin Bieber swag. I'm very shocked. Was not on my album one. I love that album.

[Rory]

Yeah, I played that. Yeah, I feel like I played that a lot too.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But I mean, it's good. It's always good to end the year, to kind of see the things you thought you listened to a lot and you thought you were spinning.

[Mall]

It ain't.

[Rory]

It ain't on your top 15. Yeah. Maybe in your top 20.

[Mall]

Oh, the amount. Did you guys go to your playlist? Mine is nothing but bath time playlist.

[Peach]

Oh, I didn't. The only thing I had that.

[Mall]

Yeah, top. Top 10 playlists are all just bath time fun and like that.

[Rory]

That's what we gotta do. We gotta tap into that. We gotta start writing jingles for the kids.

[Mall]

Listen, I've. I talked with. With Just Blaze about it. It's. It's tough, man. Cause we were talking like, yo, how do we do the song cry version for kids? Like, where adults my age that are now having kids can do like, bath time with the samples of the stuff that we love? Like, that's something we're trying to. But cracking into that is the toughest. It's the toughest thing in the world. Everyone thinks they could write a baby shark.

[Peach]

Did you. Do you watch Gracie's Corner?

[Mall]

Yeah, well, I mean, I'm not really paying attention, but. Yeah.

[Peach]

Oh, yeah. Okay. Well, I'm like. Because they do that in Gracie's Corner.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

All right, well, we'll talk to y' all soon. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that he's just Ginger. Peace. No worrying now.

[Peach]

Mall.

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[Rory]

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