Episode 432 | Underrated

Summary

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New Rory & Mal: Episode 432 | "Underrated"

Released December 11, 2025 | iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Rory, Mal, and Damaris dig into underrated years and albums in hip hop and R&B, celebrate the overlooked gems in pop culture, and drop hot takes about generational differences, viral moments, and the evolution of music. They also touch on parenting, ADHD, legendary TV shows, and the importance of stories that sometimes get left out of "best of" lists.

Tone: Hilariously candid, nostalgic, sometimes chaotic, and always rich with pop culture references.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Childhood Cartoons and Parenting Fails (03:06–06:44)

• Mal gets roasted for his "new teeth" look, sparking playful banter about "Fairly Odd Parents" and the nostalgia of classic cartoons.
  • Rory claims, “Fairly Odd Parents is my favorite cartoon of all time.” (03:34)
  • Discourse: generational differences in cartoon favorites—Rugrats vs. Fairly Odd Parents, Rocco’s Modern Life, and Peppa Pig’s hypnotic hold on today’s kids.
• Parenting insight: Mal shares a story about his daughter being pre-diagnosed with ADHD in daycare, reflecting on over-diagnosis and unsolicited advice.
  • Damaris says, "I have a theory that we all have ADHD." (06:33)

2. ADHD, Technology, & Modern Attention Spans (06:44–08:12)

• Spirited debate about how tech impacts attention, with Rory cautioning not to downplay real ADHD while others muse that everyone is ‘a little ADHD’ today.
• Damaris and Mal break down what kinds of TV shows and moments actually capture attention in the age of distraction.

3. Streaming TV Obsessions: “All Her Fault” and Pandemic TV Golden Years (08:12–13:38)

• The crew swaps thoughts on current and recent hit TV miniseries.
  • Rory: “It’s one of the best shows I’ve seen in quite some time.” (08:54)
  • Damaris: “It belongs in that same Covid year with the Undoing and your Honor…all those great shows.” (08:58)
• Amusing sidebar: objectifying “Shiv” from Succession and dissecting casting and typecasting in prestige TV.
• Frustration over amazing limited series cut short (“Messiah,” “Lovecraft Country”), and the pain of unresolved plotlines.

4. Diddy Doc, Manipulated Narratives & The Power of Documentaries (14:46–17:14)

• Damaris marvels at the Diddy documentary’s global reach: “That shit is, like, rivaling Stranger Things numbers.” (14:52)
• Mal critiques documentary editing, particularly the manipulation of footage to steer narrative: “That doc has so much factual shit, but how they manipulated a lot of that… should be studied.” (15:46)
• Concern over misinformation spreading globally as new generations are introduced to hip hop legends for the first time through documentaries.

5. Power, Families & Politics: Kennedys, Kardashians & Criminal Justice (17:21–21:13)

• Playful back-and-forth about the true American dynasties—the Kardashians versus the Kennedys/Rothschilds—and their oddly tangled legacies.
• Congratulating long-time activist Mysonne on a new city advisory role, with a spirited defense against headlines labeling him as “ex-con rapper.”
  • “Who would understand criminal justice more than an ex con?” (19:11 – Mal)

6. Viral Moments & Podcasting Advice: You Can't Predict Success (27:11–28:02)

• The group is surprised by what content goes viral—an offhand Pepsi smack talk ends up as their top clip.
  • Mall: “I used to give people answers. Nigga, I have no idea what’s going to work!” (27:39)
  • Damaris: “The ball hating Pepsi is… the reason why people tune into our podcast, apparently.” (27:50)

7. Deep-Dive: Most Underrated Years in Hip Hop & R&B

Major Theme of the Episode

A. Defending 2005 as an Underrated Year (28:02–31:37)

• Debate: Is 2005 trash or secretly legendary?
  • Listing classics: Kanye’s “Late Registration,” Game’s “The Documentary,” Common’s “Be,” Young Jeezy, Carter II, Little Brother’s Minstrel Show.
  • “Despite the radio sounding insane, this was an incredible year for hip hop.” (30:23 - Mall)
• The importance and influence of “snap music” and ringtone rap—love it or hate it, it shifted hip hop’s business model.

B. 90s vs. 2000s Debate: Which Decade Reigns Supreme? (31:37–40:54)

• Damaris stands firm: “The 90s is the greatest era of music ever” (31:20). Mall and Rory champion the 2000s and highlight the evolution from classic hip hop to R&B’s dominance.
• Comparing albums: from Lauryn Hill, Jay-Z, DMX, Brandy in ’98, to Jay-Z’s “Black Album,” T.I. and Outkast in ’03.
  • “03, again, is just probably more...I was 13 and that was huge for me.” (37:49 - Rory)
• The personal nature of musical nostalgia: “I was 8 in 98…I had to really go back to appreciate it.” (33:54 – Rory)

C. Birth Year Faceoff & The Greatest Years in Music (46:21–50:38)

• The crew compares the legendary albums from their birth years—1994 wins with Illmatic, Ready to Die, CrazySexyCool, My Life by Mary J. Blige, and more.
  • “The fact that Illmatic, Ready to Die, Crazy Sexy Cool…those are three iconic albums.” (50:05 – Damaris)

D. The 2016 Renaissance (51:10–53:23)

• Why 2016 is crowned the last truly iconic year in music: every A-lister dropped a top-tier album (Drake, Beyonce, Solange, Chance, Rihanna…).
  • “2016 is probably the best year in music in the 2000s.” (52:50 – Rory)
• The group reflects on Lemonade as Beyonce’s most important (and possibly best) album, dissecting its sequencing and cultural impact.

8. On Beyonce’s Catalog & “Lemonade” Therapy (54:03–57:48)

• Damaris: “It might not be her best album, but it’s her most important.” (57:10)
• Mal analyzes the emotional, narrative arc of Lemonade: “It’s a legitimate breakup therapy session in one album.” (57:13)
• The layering between breakups, forgiveness, and Black Lives Matter themes; how Beyonce’s growth as an artist is reflected across her discography.

9. Studio Stories: When You Know You Have a Hit (68:11–73:13)

• The group wonders what it feels like to know, in the recording studio, you’ve made a classic (Beyoncé’s “Love On Top,” Michael Jackson’s “Thriller,” Jay-Z’s “PSA”).
  • Mall: “I would love to know what it was like, the day, like, she walks out the booth after cutting Love on Top…what that feeling has to be like?” (67:51)
  • Damaris: “Jay’s PSA—when I heard that, I knew the city was going to flip upside down when that shit dropped.” (71:14)
• Sharing stories of “leaking” future hits to friends and love interests for the clout (and the pillow talk).

10. Shoutouts, Artist Breakthroughs, & Giving Flowers (75:57–78:46)

• The show reflects on how underrated artists like Griselda, Black, and Daniel Caesar got early boosts from Rory & Mal’s platform.
  • “Black and Daniel Caesar both have personally thanked me…first person in media to ever say their name.” (76:11 – Mall)
• Celebrating the underground, upcoming Nas & DJ Premier album, and the importance of OGs paying attention to young talent.

11. The Money Rabbit Hole & World Debt (81:00–83:00)

• The trio spiral into a hilariously existential tangent: how much money is in the world, who sets its value, and who “the world” is even in debt to.
  • “Who are we in debt to?” (82:11 – Mall)
  • “We should just start at zero.” (82:51 – Mall)
• Damaris jokes about the Illuminati cutting them off, as the conversation reaches increasingly real territory about power and economics.

12. Closing Banter: Nostalgia, Queens, and Parsley (84:20–85:00)

• Playful neighborhood jabs about Queens, local streets, and who’s really known in the boroughs (“parsley” vs. “Parsons”).
• Signing off: “Be safe, be blessed. I’m that nigga, he’s just ginger.” (85:03 – Damaris & Rory)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Fairly Odd Parents is my favorite cartoon. All time.” — Rory (03:34)
• “I have a theory that we all have ADHD.” — Damaris (06:33)
• “That doc has so much factual shit, but how they manipulated a lot of that… should be studied.” — Mall on the Diddy documentary (15:46)
• “Who would understand criminal justice more than an ex con?” — Mall (19:11)
• “I have no idea what’s going to work.” — Mall on viral podcasting moments (27:39)
• “Despite the radio sounding insane, this was an incredible year for hip hop.” — Mall on 2005 (30:23)
• “The 90s is the greatest era of music ever.” — Damaris (31:20)
• “2016 is probably the best year in music in the 2000s.” — Rory (52:50)
• “Lemonade is a legitimate breakup therapy session in one album.” — Mall (57:13)
• “I would love to know what it was like, the day, like, she walks out the booth after cutting Love on Top.” — Mall (67:51)
• “Who are we in debt to?” — Mall (82:11)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Cartoons & Parenting — 03:06–06:44
• ADHD & Tech — 06:44–08:12
• TV Obsessions ("All Her Fault," Pandemic Series) — 08:12–13:38
• Diddy Documentary & Media Narratives — 14:46–17:14
• Politics: Dynasties & Activism — 17:21–21:13
• Podcasting & Viral Moments — 27:11–28:02
• Underrated Hip Hop Years (2005, 1998, 2003, 2016) — 28:02–53:23
• Beyoncé’s Catalog & the Power of “Lemonade” — 54:03–57:48
• Studio Stories: Making Hits — 68:11–73:13
• Artist Shoutouts & Breakthroughs — 75:57–78:46
• World Debt Rabbit Hole — 81:00–83:00
• Sign Off/Nostalgic Banter — 84:20–85:00

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Episode Theme

Underrated unpacks how greatness in music, TV, and even social movements can be overlooked or misunderstood—reminding us not to sleep on the moments, years, or artists that shape culture, even if they don’t top the obvious lists.

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a treasure trove for music nerds, 2000s babies, and anyone who loves hearing the real stories behind the culture’s most iconic moments—delivered with sharp takes, jokes, and the uniquely unfiltered energy of Rory, Mal, and Damaris.

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Transcript

[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Damaris]

No worry.

[Rory]

Okay, Rory, you can start talking whenever you're ready.

[Damaris]

Just chilling as asmr.

[Rory]

He's gonna beat off to it later.

[Mall]

That can just be our cold opening. Right. Right there. Matter of fact, that's how we start the episode. Right, Right. What Jamaris just said. Yo, I don't like some of our listeners comments, man. Somebody said since I got new teeth, it looked like y' all cloned me.

[Rory]

They've been calling you Chip Skylark and that has been frying me.

[Damaris]

Who is Chip Skylark, old ass?

[Rory]

It's the guy from Fairly Odd Parents.

It's his pet. Oh, him.

[Damaris]

Yep, I know who that is.

[Mall]

Yeah, Fairly Odd Parents is a good show.

[Rory]

Fairly Odd Parents is my favorite cartoon. All time.

[Mall]

Really? Over like Rocco's Modern Life Rugrats.

[Rory]

Yes, it's my favorite of all time.

[Mall]

Interesting. Okay, that's a weird pick.

[Rory]

Really, I don't think.

[Mall]

I think you're a little better.

[Rory]

You're a little. You're a little older than me. Just by a tad. So that's why some of those things were relevant to you. Now, out of all the cartoons I watched Rugrats the most. Right. I feel like every person born in 94 did, but favorite was Fairly Fairly. Appearance was fucking hysterical to me.

[Mall]

Yeah. I wonder if Amar is going to want to watch, like, if I throw on the Rugrats, if she'll like that or if her brain is already wired to like, what Peppa Pig looks like.

[Rory]

Cocoa Melon is crack for kids, so.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Do you let her watch that?

[Mall]

She's watched it a few times. She picks on her iPad now what she wants to watch. She. She found some like, German cartoon. Yeah. Like, of all the languages.

[Rory]

Come on, bro.

[Mall]

Can we. We could blur that, right? Like just blur it. All right. Thank you. Yeah. So like, of all the language, like, she should probably learn Spanish. They teach Mandarin at. She started 3K, by the way, guys. Oh, I didn't know what 3K was. I thought he was a rapper, but apparently 3K is a thing. Was that a thing when to anyone else?

[Rory]

We called it Head Start back in the day.

[Mall]

Okay, well, she's not three yet, but she's already with. She's with three year olds.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

Yeah, she. She switched. She went from daycare to like a real school. Oh, which reminds me, I owe Game an apology.

[Damaris]

He pressed you, huh?

[Mall]

No, I have not seen or spoken to Game in quite some time. And matter of fact, last time we spoke on text, it was great. I should not diagnose People. Because someone tried to diagnose my daughter, and I was ready to storm at that woman.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, you did say that.

[Mall]

She.

[Rory]

They. You told us that she. They thought.

[Mall]

Did I say it on mic?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Okay. Yeah, well, yeah, we. We switched out of there. And. And pre diagnosis. She's already ahead. She's with the three year olds, and she's two.

[Damaris]

But what. What did she try to diagnose?

[Mall]

Amara with adhd, which you can't even have at her age. And you're not a doctor. Like, you're just. You're just at a daycare.

[Damaris]

Oh, that's crazy.

[Mall]

And listen, childcare we've talked about. I don't understand how y' all do that job. You guys are incredible. But you're not a doctor.

[Damaris]

Is she a white woman?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

How does that happen? Like, as a white parent.

[Mall]

Right, when you see other whites.

[Damaris]

Yeah, like, when a white teacher.

[Mall]

We all go to the same meetings.

[Damaris]

But when a white. When a white teacher tries to, like, diagnose your white daughter.

[Mall]

Wait, what is.

[Rory]

What does that have to do with land.

[Mall]

Land, this race point?

[Damaris]

I'm just saying because, like, I don't. I never really.

[Mall]

You think all doctors should be Asian is what.

[Damaris]

You know, I've never seen. I've never seen, like, white people try to diagnose, like, white kids at a daycare. Usually. They do that to black kids.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Like, they usually. Like, they usually just think, like, all white kids are brilliant. Brilliant nowadays.

[Mall]

No, I don't think that's how it works.

[Damaris]

No. You don't think so?

[Mall]

And I think people with ADHD are brilliant in their own right.

[Rory]

Thank you.

[Mall]

I just.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I have a theory that we all have adhd.

[Rory]

You said that, though.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but I think everybody on this planet has adhd.

[Mall]

That's not true a theory anymore. I just feel like technology has forced all our brains to have it.

[Damaris]

I was about to say, if we all have one of these, we all have adhd.

[Rory]

No, y' all can be easily distracted. It's not adhd. I just don't want y' all to downplay adhd. Adhd.

[Mall]

No, not at all.

[Damaris]

No, I have. I have adhd.

[Rory]

I know you do.

[Damaris]

I'm spoken. I'm speaking from, like, a survivor standpoint. Like, I'm surviving through this. This. I don't know, want to call it a disease, but, like. Yeah, with this illness, I'm not. Not an illness. With this ability, you're not only a.

[Mall]

Spokesperson, you're also a client.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I think we all have it.

[Mall]

No, I Hear.

[Damaris]

Cause I don't think anybody can focus, like, put on a movie and just watch people, like, your friends, just watch them. Just put a movie on. Like, yo, we're gonna watch a movie and see who could actually really watch the movie.

[Rory]

But that's. The majority of them have phone addiction and short attention spans. That's different.

[Damaris]

And adhd.

[Mall]

What's funny is, I do have in my brain, which I've even talked to Keith about this. If we put something on, is it something that I can be on my phone and watch or something I have to watch?

[Rory]

I hate people like you because some.

[Mall]

No, because I'm not the person that is on their phone while watching something. But is it one of those shows that I'm just gonna have to stop everything that I'm doing to make sure I can, like, get every detail? Or is this something that I can, like, all right, I can check an email and still be caught up.

[Damaris]

That means the show's not good if you do that.

[Mall]

Some shows are just meant to just turn your brain off. That's what reality TV is for. Like, it's to turn your brain off for a second.

[Damaris]

Well, yeah.

[Mall]

Everything needs to, like, move your mind.

[Damaris]

No, no. If I'm watching baddies, I can be on my phone and watch baddies at the same time.

[Mall]

Oh, no, that's one. Phone's off.

[Rory]

Phone's off.

[Mall]

Turn the WI FI off.

[Damaris]

I don't got to be super locked in to know what's going on with baddies. I know who about to fight. I know what they fighting about. Somebody ripped somebody's wig.

[Mall]

Like, you come out the bath, baby. What I missed. They fighting again.

[Damaris]

They still fighting? All right, I got it. I understand.

[Mall]

Speaking of which, I want to thank both you guys. All her fault. I'm on episode five. I cannot wait to leave here to finish the entire series.

[Rory]

You still on episode?

[Mall]

You have episode five adhd? No, I had to.

[Rory]

No. Rory's good with shows.

[Mall]

I'll binge two seasons in one day if I can. Like, I'll move from the tv, put it on my phone while I'm doing errands. Like, I'm one of those people. But I will say. And we're gonna talk about this for the remainder of the week, so no spoiler alerts yet. It's one of the best shows I've seen in quite some time.

[Rory]

Told you.

[Mall]

It's incredible.

[Damaris]

It belongs in that same Covid year with the Undoing and your Honor the night of and. Yeah, it's in that. Like, it Feels when I started watching it, I was like, this feels like it should have came out during the pandemic when we had all of those great shows.

[Mall]

I was telling Demero, putting Shiv and Shug together may have been the greatest casting call I've seen in quite some time.

[Rory]

Shiv would be Siobhan from Succession and Sugar from the Bear. I didn't recognize. I recognized Sugar, but I couldn't figure out where she was from. Which means you're doing a really good job at acting. If I'm like, I know your face, but I can't pick out the character. And I was like, oh, I know.

[Damaris]

It'S a good show, and it's like a, you know, a thriller and drama and all these things, but one time she. She was walking around the house, she had them pants on. She looked like she was holding back.

[Rory]

Shiv asked, no, no, no. Let me tell you.

[Mall]

Did you watch Succession? Yeah, y'.

[Damaris]

All.

[Rory]

She been holding since season one in the group chat. And I felt creepy, so I unsented.

[Mall]

You saw it, Peach. Oh, I wonder what that I was watching because.

[Rory]

And I felt real creepy because it was like 8:30 in the morning, 9:00 in the morning.

[Damaris]

I was like, he's looking at ass.

[Rory]

I was like, man, Shiv ass fat as fuck.

[Mall]

You know what we used to joke? You know those, like, quick cuts they used to do in Succession? Like, how the cinemat is. We used to joke. I wonder how many times the DP just did that to Shiv's thighs. Yeah, like, and they styled her so well in that show that, like, they always pick pants that. That held it up, too.

[Rory]

It looked like she got thicker when I was watching it in this, I'm like, shiv got thick. Like, Shiv look good. I'm sorry, Sarah Snook.

[Mall]

Thank you, Sarah Snook. But to your point of Suge and Shiv, like, both those people you think would be typecast because they both have iconic characters in other shows, they don't act like those characters at all. You know, all her fault. Like, even, like Lawrence, I think is a great actor, but Lawrence. But Lawrence acts the same way and insecure as he did in Top Gun.

[Damaris]

Yeah, so that's up.

[Mall]

No, he's a good act. Like, he's great in the show, but.

[Damaris]

His Top Gun, I definitely was like, yo, Lawrence, like, go get Issa, dog.

[Mall]

Or maybe Lawrence is just that iconic of a character. It's like, you know how Thor's leave LA and is flying jets right now.

[Damaris]

Talking about Jay Ellis the actor.

[Rory]

But even when I was watching him in All Her Fault, I was just waiting for him to say fuck Issa. I was just waiting for him to say it.

[Damaris]

Like, yeah, he's forever. He's forever. Like, that's an iconic character.

[Mall]

Well, I mean, this is the only spoiler alert I will give because it's not that big of a pivotal part of All Her Fault. When you find out that Lawrence is fucking Shug. In my head, I was like, man, Issa was right. He do like white girls.

[Rory]

Oops, stop.

[Damaris]

He tried to parlay it all into a whole new same universe.

[Mall]

No, that was Lawrence. He just moved on.

[Damaris]

And it's all her fault. It's all Issa's fault.

[Mall]

That's the only problem with that show though. And I mean, mall's probably gonna call me gay, but that's not. There's no way, Lauren. Like, look at Lawrence.

He's not dating an older white woman.

[Rory]

He's a good. He's a good.

[Mall]

He's a very good looking guy. I'm not saying, first of all, sugar's beautiful. But I'm just saying like, they. They're not even in the same age bracket, Ab.

[Rory]

Well, Abby Elliot. Abby isn't old. They're probably. He's probably older than her.

[Mall]

Well, white people age worse.

[Rory]

Okay?

[Mall]

Myself included.

[Damaris]

Abby ELLIOT Is what, 38?

[Mall]

No way. Oh, my bad.

[Rory]

She doesn't look that. She doesn't even look that old. You being mean. She don't even look that old.

[Mall]

Well, the roles that they put her in, like right there, she doesn't and looks amazing. But when they make her sh. And make her sister Leah, like they're trying to make it look like a. She's like an old addict in that show. So they made her look.

[Rory]

She's a younger sister. Yo, you're funny as hell, bro. I'm crying, but I don't know. Huh?

[Damaris]

Great show.

[Rory]

Great show.

[Mall]

I'm so glad you guys haven't spoiled anything. I do not know if we owe the husband an apology or. He's the biggest social.

[Damaris]

That's why I don't even want to talk about it because.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I'll wait for you to get there.

[Damaris]

Chill. Everybody relax.

[Mall]

I used to have a bunch of theories. Now I'm kind of. I have none. Everything they try to make it seem like it's going to be something. I mean, at the end of the day, I. I just think the adopted mom did everything.

[Damaris]

See that? The undoing. I ain't going to lie. You was on the Side of the sun did it at once in the undoing.

[Mall]

I'm sure I was.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I think. I think you yelled it out. It's got to be the sun.

[Mall]

I thought the person they passed on the sidewalk did it. I thought extra number three did it.

[Damaris]

I can't wait to finish this, though, so we could really talk about it.

[Mall]

Is it just one season? Yeah. It's like a limited series, right? Or does it end where it looks like it could be a season two?

[Rory]

No, I. It's a limited series for sure.

[Damaris]

I don't see them bringing a season two for this.

[Mall]

That's what, like. I like limited series because I go in with expectations that I know will get a conclusion. I can move on with my life. I hate when you get to, like, season three and season four doesn't get picked up. And it's just like, why? Why'd we do this now? Now my whole life is up because I'm thinking about what's going on.

[Damaris]

I'm still never letting go to Messiah. I'm sorry. I'm gonna bring that up every time we talk about great shows that never got a season two.

[Mall]

I couldn't get. The first episode was cool. I was just waiting for it to.

[Damaris]

Like, pick up on the Messiah.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

You know, you only. You only watch one episode. Oh, my. You can't. I'll give you this conversation. I gotta watch it.

[Mall]

I'll give it another.

[Damaris]

You have to watch that season. That's one of the best shows that they just canceled because people were offended that they were trying to depict the Messiah.

[Mall]

Yeah, like, what's.

[Damaris]

What the fuck are we talking.

[Mall]

Wait, that's.

[Rory]

Jesus. I'm crying.

[Damaris]

We don't. We don't know. We didn't get a season two.

[Rory]

Oh, so. Oh, okay.

[Damaris]

We don't know. We do not know. This is the problem here. This is why we need a season two. We have questions.

[Mall]

It's like when they opened the tomb and there was no body three days later.

[Damaris]

Like, what are we going to do?

[Mall]

Season two is in the tomb.

[Damaris]

Yeah, man. They would cancel season two because people are offended.

[Rory]

That's how I feel about Lovecraft country, though.

[Mall]

Like, yeah, that. That was heartbreaking.

[Rory]

Like, bro, Emmy nominations, critical acclaim, everything. Like, cult fan favorite, and y' all canceled it.

[Mall]

I think it was Jesse fault.

[Rory]

They was telling the truth about shit.

[Mall]

Might have been Jussie fault.

[Rory]

Black people were stepping into their power.

[Damaris]

Yo, what do y' all feel about the Diddy doc being number one in 49 countries?

That shit is, like, rivaling Like Stranger Things numbers. At this point.

We can say what we want, but that shit is doing some incredible shit on Netflix. That's all I'm saying. Shout out to 50 and the team, like, listen to how you feel about the doc is how you feel.

[Mall]

And what an entendre.

[Damaris]

Stranger Things, yo, listen, that. Yeah, it was. That's a real Stranger Things. Like, that is like, listen. Number one in 49 countries, bro. Say what you want, man. That's something. That's some incredible shit they did.

[Mall]

Oh, man. I just saw Torre had brought up something interesting because, you know that clip that we've. We've all seen for years of Big saying, I feel paranoid. I feel like someone's gonna kill me.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And then. Then in the dock, they cut right to March 9, 1997, to make it look like. Sorry, was like, yo, I did that interview with him before the first album.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Mall]

He's talking about the streets. He's not talking about Puff. He's not talking about the industry.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

He's scared. He's selling drugs, and he's terrified someone's gonna kill him. So, yes, that doc has so much factual shape, but how they manipulated a lot of that. Yeah. Should be studied of how. Like, that's what worries me sometimes, too. Especially like, we see it now with Twitter and hip hop now, just like all these young kids that know nothing, have all these strong opinions. In 49 countries, there's a lot of people that are getting a lot of misinformation, and this is their first time being introduced to this story. Like, Puff didn't kill Tupac. And now that's a narrative.

[Damaris]

I remember. What's the guy's name from tmz? Dan. No, no, not Van.

[Rory]

Harvey.

[Damaris]

Harvey.

[Mall]

Oh, you know it.

[Damaris]

You know, Harvey Levin.

[Mall]

No, no, Harvey Keitel.

[Damaris]

That's the actor. Harvey Levin. Right.

Harvey Levin. He's a great. He's a great.

He was talking. I saw a clip of him talking about the fact that, you know, in the doc, some of the footage of Diddy talking to his lawyer. He was like, he can't believe that that's in there. Like, why would Diddy even record that?

[Mall]

Yeah, I told y' all my theory on that.

[Damaris]

He was like, it's like, lawyer. It's like client, lawyer. I mean, lawyer, client. Like, you know, privacy privilege.

[Mall]

Even in jail, nobody can listen to your conversations.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Like, the fact that he was recording that and didn't tell his. His lawyer that he was recording those conversations.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah.

[Damaris]

You know, that could have really being.

[Mall]

Sued by your Own lawyers would be funny.

[Rory]

Dumb shit.

[Damaris]

I just thought. But even, even in watching the doc, I did like, things like that. I was like, I don't know if the camera should have been rolling right there.

[Mall]

Yeah. And speaking of Harvey Levin, back to our Kardashians versus the Kennedys conversation. TMZ is also tied to the Kardashians. Like, the first case that Harvey Levin even really covered was the O.J. simpson trial to like get his name out there. So the more I thought about it after our episode, I, I, yeah, it's Rothschild, Kardashian and then Kennedy.

[Damaris]

Well, what's the head of the Dupont's?

[Mall]

Maybe somewhere in there.

[Damaris]

What's the head of the health advisory? What's his name?

[Mall]

Luigi.

[Damaris]

No, what's the Kennedy? That's the head. Is it Robert rfk?

[Mall]

Yeah. RFK junior.

[Damaris]

What is, what is his role again? I'm sorry?

[Mall]

Head of vaccines or something?

[Damaris]

Head of vaccine?

Head of vaccines. No, he's the Secretary of Health and Human Services. Did y' all see the video going around him doing 20 pull ups yesterday? No. That's impressive. A guy his age, like being able to do 20 pull ups.

[Mall]

Listen, man, I just recently found out he's married to Cheryl from Curb youb Enthusiasm. So I really. Yes.

[Damaris]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Mall]

Simulation.

[Rory]

So random.

[Mall]

We're in a simulation.

[Damaris]

I swear, nothing makes sense, man.

[Mall]

While we're here, congrats to our guy. My son Mandami just appointed him as the Criminal justice advisor for New York City.

I didn't like how they, they did my guy, my son and all. Like, every single headline is ex con rapper. Like, yes, did my son go to jail? But the amount of things my son has done since he's gotten out of jail, I don't know if he should just be labeled as ex con.

[Damaris]

You know, they gotta put that in there. You know, they gotta do that. They gotta try to make the correlation. He's a. I mean, I think, I think that that's a, A stat though.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

But yeah, put that on the paper.

[Mall]

Put that.

[Damaris]

I'm an ex con and now I am the head of.

[Mall]

Who would understand criminal justice more than an ex con?

[Damaris]

Yeah. Like, I think that so many people, I saw people that was kind of like, damn, they fucked up for that. I'm on the opposite side of that, man. Like, look how, look how much somebody can change. Look how far somebody can come. Pause. Look how. You know, that was crazy. Like, y' all gotta start respecting the pause, man.

[Rory]

You gotta say pause first.

[Damaris]

I keep oh, yeah. But I'm just saying I didn't realize, you know, in the minute how far he was gonna come. Yeah, I didn't anticipate, you know what I'm saying, how crazy was gonna land. But anyway, yeah, I think that was dope though, for them to put that on the page. Like, yeah, I am an ex con.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

And now look what I am. So shout out to my song Another Bronx legendary. I don't know if you know that or not.

[Mall]

Of course I.

[Damaris]

So yeah, shout out to my song. Shout out to Mom Donnie for just going in there and just doing different, man. Fuck it. That's what I'm about. All this shit up. Do everything. Hire everybody. Give Tasha K. The head of something. Put all of them in there.

[Mall]

The head of the Post.

[Damaris]

New York Post. Yeah, put all of them in there.

[Mall]

Let's just see what Page Six is.

[Damaris]

Tasha K. Let's just see where shit lands. That's what I'm on. Let's just see where lands.

[Mall]

I'll take this because I. I know my son does have very good intentions. I'll take that over Eric Adams giving his side chick quarter million dollar salary just. Just to show up. I'm sorry, no show job.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Just to live.

[Damaris]

How much you think they. They paying my son?

[Mall]

I'm sure we can. I mean, it's our tax dollars they have to tell us, but I. Yeah, I don't know what that. That job usually offers you.

[Damaris]

Who was. And can we find out who held that position in the last.

[Mall]

The last term, but the chief of police, probably.

[Damaris]

I just want to see something, you.

[Mall]

Know, like cops themselves.

[Damaris]

I've never even heard of this position in the. You know, in the city. So I'm just. I just want to know who was the. The last. What is it? Head of. Criminal.

[Mall]

Criminal justice advisor. I don't know if it was really a role.

[Damaris]

Who was the criminal justice advisor underneath the Eric Adams administration?

[Mall]

I mean, listen, it makes more sense than making Ben Carson the head of urban development. He's a doctor.

Of housing. Whatever the he did. I don't know. I love that our government could just make up titles and give people.

[Damaris]

What if we find out that Eric Adams girlfriend, that was her position last. Last term. She was the head.

[Rory]

Makes. That would make sense though.

[Damaris]

She was the head of crib.

[Mall]

It would make sense. It would make sense because the population has tripled in the last three years.

[Damaris]

Everybody's completely different.

[Mall]

The population, it was just bloods. Now it's. It's running rampant with the ops.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Anyways, what. What do we have on today? Today's list before my son cleans our city up.

Mall, somebody told me over the weekend that you were thinking about upgrading to the all new iPhone 17 Pro. They said you've been thinking about it for, I don't know, the last six months at this point because it's designed to be the most powerful iPhone ever. But are you also thinking about the traffic on your way to the store and transferring all your data?

[Damaris]

I think about traffic every day. Living in New York, I think about.

[Mall]

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[Damaris]

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[Mall]

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[Damaris]

That's it.

[Mall]

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[Mall]

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[Damaris]

Exactly. Life doesn't come with a budget app built in.

[Mall]

But.

[Damaris]

But the Klarna card kind of feels like it should have.

[Mall]

It's basically your debit card upgraded. You use your own money. No credit, no weird fees. And you get to choose how you pay all upfront or you plan it out in the Klarna app.

[Damaris]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

So I don't know if y' all seen with that clip where we were talking about all the underrated albums from 2011, like, it being an underrated year. Music is going crazy. Like, yeah, still.

[Mall]

No, it's. It's like bled over into my personal life where friends are just calling me to debate years of hip hop because really, I think a lot of people.

[Damaris]

Just never know what conversations are going to take. Like, how is that?

[Mall]

Yeah, that's going crazy.

[Rory]

Our most viral clip is of you talking about Pepsi. You really never.

[Mall]

Yeah, but.

That'S why, like, when people would ask me for advice on podcast digital marketing, this and that, I used to give them answers. Nigga, I have no idea. I have no idea what's going to work.

[Damaris]

I don't know.

[Mall]

The ball hating Pepsi is. Is the reason why people tune into.

[Damaris]

Our podcast, apparently, and the reason why we can't get a Pepsi spot.

[Mall]

I think. I think I was even debating, that's a stupid clip. We shouldn't even put that out. Like that is gonna even like even.

[Damaris]

Want to listen to that, right?

[Mall]

Well, yeah, no, I've been debating a lot of my friends just on the phone about years and I've noticed a lot of my friends from Mall's generation have been arguing. 98 to me, which I makes total sense. I've always understood 1998 being there, but I kind of feel like I can argue my era. Like, I think 05 is super underrated.

[Damaris]

05 might be the worst year in rap.

[Mall]

It was definitely a very strange time. Yes. Snap music was taking over it. I think that was probably when Nas decided that he wanted to title his album Hip hop is dead. It was a very, very strange time. But if you go to 05, like there still was great albums at that time.

[Damaris]

Late registration a documentary. Okay. Two for two. B, common. Okay.

[Mall]

Incredible Jeezy TM101 classic, you said game documentary massacre Carter two, little brother minstrel show was one of my favorite albums ever. Like O5AZ AWOL was crazy.

[Rory]

I'd like to shout out certified by David Banner because Play is one of the greatest songs of all time.

[Mall]

Yeah, I was, I was just texting with Royce yesterday. David Banner might be one of the most underrated producers that we have. If you go through his, his catalog. We need to give David Banner way more flowers anytime he gets brought up. We should continue to do that. But that's a side note. I don't know. I think 05. Yes was hip hop in probably one of the weirdest places ever. Did look like it was going in a completely different direction, but you still get Tony Ayo Thoughts of a predicate felon.

Straight out.

[Damaris]

Little Kim, the naked truth. What.

[Mall]

What was the single on that?

[Rory]

Was it. Was it put your lighters up?

[Mall]

I was about to say, was it lighters up? Yo, Lil Kim had some joints when I was in high school. Like, people give her her 90s run, but they fail to mention the 2000s that she had.

But yeah, I have 05 as one of my favorite under rated years of hip hop. Yeah.

[Damaris]

Looking at this list, that was a. It's maybe six on there. That's worth going back to.

[Mall]

Paul Wall, People's champ was a great album. Bun B Trill. Great album. There's a lot of Jeezy. Okay. 101.

[Damaris]

Oh, beans dropped that.

[Mall]

Yeah.

Yeah.

[Rory]

Be by Common is a very important album too, by the way.

[Mall]

That is a certified classic album without question. I, I think despite the radio sounding insane, this was an incredible year for hip hop.

[Damaris]

It's some good. I mean this was the documentary the Becoming.

Carter 2. I mean it's that alone. There's definitely some, some, some great albums right there.

[Mall]

How. How, Like I haven't really thought this through and I'm not even trying to do like shock value takes here. How upset would your generation B if I thought maybe 20002010 could rival 1990 to 1999.

[Damaris]

The year 2000.

[Mall]

Well, I guess it had to be 2009 then. I can't do 2000 2009s versus the 2000s. I. I think yes, the 90s probably get you there with absolute classic albums, but I think it's closer than People would. Would think.

[Damaris]

I don't think so. I think the 90s is the greatest era of music ever.

[Mall]

Period. Or just hip hop.

[Damaris]

Hip hop.

[Mall]

Fair.

[Damaris]

And R and B.

Definitely R B.

[Mall]

Definitely R and B, Yeah. You're not wrong with R and B. Not so much.

[Damaris]

So now you're talking about hip hop in the 90s as far as albums.

[Rory]

Yeah, it depends on what kind of hip hop you like, what your preference of hip hop is. Cause if you want just straight hip hop, yeah, like there were a couple.

[Damaris]

The fact that y' all got the snap era from 2000, 2010, that's in there, y' all lose.

[Mall]

But the Snap era didn't like that was singles like that, that invented the ringtone, that invented what became streaming of a single. Like, there was still great. People were still making great albums.

[Rory]

In the 2000s, we still had the rap with the singing hook. Like that originated in the 90s, but it really jumped off in the 2000s. And I feel like that's such an important part of hip hop. I feel like it's what hip hop is missing now, honestly. But the rap with the singing hook, that's 2000 shit heavy.

[Damaris]

I would even feel about that.

[Rory]

Like I said, it started in the 90s, but that was the thing. In the 2000s.

[Damaris]

You definitely listen to more music from the 90s than you do from the early 2000s in rap.

[Mall]

No, I don't.

[Damaris]

No period in your life.

[Rory]

No, I don't. I don't.

[Damaris]

I can name two Janet albums that you bang from the 90s, top to bottom. Whitney album, top to bottom. Mariah Carey, top to bottom.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Like what we doing?

[Rory]

Okay. But I also listen to a lot of 2000s R&B.

[Damaris]

You listen to singles?

[Rory]

No, I listen to. I listen to albums. I have Destiny's Choppy albums came out. I was about to say my top three favorite albums are from the 2000s. Like R B albums. The Emancipation Amimi, Channel Orange, all for your by Janet Jackson and Destiny Fulfilled by Destiny's Child. Those would be in my top five favorite albums of all time. All of those are 2000s.

[Mall]

Yo, Voodoo, who is Jill Scott? Mama's Gun, Songs in A Minor, Lovers Rock 8701.

The Diary of Alicia Keys, the Ayah album Get Lifted, John Legend. Don't see why. You see, I don't like that. I don't like that. I don't like that. I don't like that. Get Lifted is a classic album. Dream Love, Hate, Neo's whole catalog. Justin Future, Sex, Love sounds come on like what are we talking about?

[Rory]

Chris Brown's first album, which I still to this day think is his best album, or at least one of the top three. Like, what are we doing?

[Mall]

I also hate doing this, though, because, like, as much as, yeah, I do, like, agree that 98 is probably the best year of music. I was also 8. Like, I do remember it, but, like, Mall can speak more to that than I can. Like, to me, I have 2003 above it. Just because I was 13 and, like, really actually remember it and went and bought those CDs, I had to really go back to appreciate 98. Like, volume two was one of the first albums I. I bought. But, like, I don't know. I was. I was young. I had no life experience trying to listen to Capital punishment. I don't have, like, a. A connection of, like, I was outside with that, but, like, get rich, I was outside.

[Rory]

What do you remember about 98 in Music Mall? Like, what did it feel like outside? Was it hot? What it felt like?

[Mall]

No.

[Rory]

Cause I remember.

[Damaris]

No, me personally, it was dark and hell was hot.

[Mall]

No.

[Rory]

Cause I remember 2016. I remember what the air felt like when fucking the life of Pablo dropped. What did it feel like in 98? What albums do you remember? Memories. Do you remember from that time?

[Damaris]

I mean, when Jay dropped Hard Knock Life, I think that was a.

Obviously Jay was, you know, he was making noise and he was hot before Hard Knock Life. But when that Hard Knock Life, when the songs dropped. Not even the album, when the song.

[Mall]

Dropped, you were one of the kids in the chorus, right?

[Damaris]

No, fuck you.

You could literally, from that point on, you can see how music business, like, a lot of things changed because that was the beginning of Jay's ascension into, like, becoming a superstar and then becoming a mogul and things like that based off of that one song like that, the Hard Knock Life song changed Jay's entire trajectory. But then you also had DMX dropping, I think, two albums that year.

[Mall]

Yep. Post went number one.

[Damaris]

It was, you know, we don't talk about him no more. He's exiled from the culture. But the R album, R. Kelly, what that did that year.

Juvenile and what, you know, Cash Money started doing around that time. It was just a.

It was just a Lauryn Hill, the Miseducation album came out 98.

[Mall]

That little mixtape.

[Damaris]

Yeah, just a little. Little something she put together just to feed the streets. Like, that was. That was a year of, you know, these are legends that we talking about. That all dropped and was in the ecosystem that year. Brandy, never say Never.

[Rory]

I was gonna say that's my favorite Brandy album.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Like, it was just the music. And then not only the music, something else that we don't really pay a lot of attention to. Videos. The way videos started looking around 98, 99.

That'S when you started to see, like, you know, our cultures was like, these are superstars. You started seeing them on the TRLs and things like that, and different networks seeing them. You know, if it was like an MTV beach house thing, you see a bunch of white kids on spring break, like, dancing to, like, DMX and Jay and these guys, and you like, what the fuck? Like, everybody fuck with these dudes. So 98 was definitely a pivotal year in the culture as far as music, but also, I think, business, too. Like, around that time, people started to really pay attention to their brands and wanting to do things outside of music. Just, like, everything just the energy shifted in 98, wasn't it?

[Mall]

Blackstar was 98, too, right? Most definite quality, probably.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Just looking at that list, though. Outcast Equipment on Lauryn Hill, Big pun, Jay Z, two DMX albums, Juvenile, Brandy. Yeah, that. That. That's a wild 365 days. Yeah, that, like, you may go broke going to the CD store for that, but I mean, 03, again, is just probably more. I mean, Damaris, we're four years apart, so 03, that may be actually a big gap for us, because I was 13.

[Rory]

I was in third grade.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Damaris don't know what 2003 was.

[Rory]

Pull up.

[Damaris]

You knew about all the new snacks. But she ain't know nothing about no music, though.

[Rory]

Okay?

[Mall]

So don't do that. Don't.

[Rory]

So what I. What I remember about 03, right? My favorite Jay Z album is the Black Album, okay? And I don't want to make this the whole cast, but that introduced. I would say that. That I don't want to say introduced me to hip hop. Right? Because I. I. I grew up on hip hop. My dad was a dj. The way my dad played that album, that introduced me to a love of hip hop. That. The Black Album is probably the first hip hop album I can recite from Tops. I was able to recite from top to bottom. Like you said. I have a very special connection to that album because it never stopped playing. And then when the. The DVD with Mall in it. That one.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

When you gave Mall to whatever that. That. That one is what DVD was on. He gave you the keys to the city or whatever. Yeah. Rory always jokes around that. Like, I remember 2003.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Damn.

[Rory]

I remember my dad saying, yo, Jay is retiring. This. Like, I remember like that.

[Mall]

Like, yeah, to me. Like, that was to me. I. I'm sure I could be debated. It felt like first superstar rap album of all time to me. Like, Jay became a superstar at that time, in my opinion.

[Damaris]

And I had black album.

[Mall]

Yeah. I hadn't seen that. Like, yeah, with the. We went to the theaters to watch Fade to Black. Like, it felt like the first superstar thing hip hop had to me. I know people older than me will maybe call me crazy, but to me, it was like, oh, this is. This isn't just something I like the whole world. Like, my. My mom knew what the Fade to Black movie was. So, yeah, 03 kind of felt like that shift. But just at 13, I got Get Rich Jay Z Black Album, T.I. trap Music, Outkast, Speaker Box Love Below Diplomatic Immunity, Diary of Alicia Keys Dangerously in love. I mean, we. He's canceled from the culture, but Chocolate Factory might be the best R. Kelly album.

Like, there was just a lot that year. Ludicrous Chicken and Beer is a personal classic to me.

[Damaris]

Trying to think what else according to hip hop means. That's the hip hop oracle.

[Mall]

I mean, to me, that he defines.

[Damaris]

98 to 03 is Jay's peak. So that. That makes sense. 98 all knock life. 03 was the concert Fade to Black.

[Mall]

Coming off the blueprint, like, yeah, that.

[Damaris]

For sure.

He'S a piece of shit. But that R. Kelly J. That part of the show, wearing white and all that.

[Mall]

Oh, my God.

[Damaris]

See, I was there. It's a difference when you watching it and when you was in the garden that night, like, I watched it in.

[Mall]

Theaters, I was like, holy shit, how do I get a white jacket?

[Damaris]

That energy was, like, insane. Like, them just standing on stage, like, not saying nothing, all white. Like, that energy. That moment was like, that's when to me, one of the moments in hip hop where it was like, damn, you could really be from the hood and become a star in this shit. Yeah.

[Mall]

Yeah. My favorite moment of that. That movie is when Slick Rick has the pillowcase and is giving all his jewelry to Ghostface so he'd go perform Summertime with Beyonce. Yeah, that was like, the coolest shit I've ever seen in my life. Slick Rick just pulling up like, yo, yeah, I got you. And just giving him all the jewelry.

[Damaris]

Crazy great time in music.

[Mall]

It's gonna sound crazy, but Bad Boys 2 soundtrack was also 03. One of my favorite sounds. Shake your tail feather with someone else. That was canceled. Someone else that was canceled.

[Damaris]

Shake your tail for the who's.

[Mall]

Murphy Lee, Nelly and Diddy, I think.

[Rory]

Hello.

[Mall]

That record's fire.

[Damaris]

Shake your tail Feather.

[Mall]

Amy Winehouse. Frank, we got no. 3.

[Damaris]

Oh, wow.

[Mall]

Yeah. No, it was a year.

[Rory]

That was one hell of a year.

[Mall]

Oh, Neptune's Clones. I mean, I know Mall was definitely bumping Genuine the senior. It's his favorite Genuine album. Bubba Sparks Deliverance. I'm not making jokes. This is a really good album.

[Rory]

Nah. M8 Marcus Houston don't play.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah. Fab street dreams. 03.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mall]

Oh, man. 03 is up there, though.

[Rory]

The Cheetah Girls album came out in 03.

[Damaris]

Yeah, we wasn't bumping that.

[Mall]

See?

[Damaris]

You see how excited you got for that?

[Rory]

That's y'. All.

[Damaris]

That got no play.

[Rory]

Come on, now.

[Mall]

Haters gonna hate.

[Rory]

Haters gonna hate.

[Damaris]

I'm not. That just wasn't in our, like, you.

[Mall]

Know, you're just a hater.

[Damaris]

No, we. We didn't play that. We just didn't. We didn't get a chance.

Playing Destiny's Child, though.

[Mall]

They were.

[Rory]

They were.

[Mall]

They try to make them like the mini.

[Damaris]

That's Cheetah Girl esque, right?

[Mall]

No.

[Damaris]

Oh, my bad. I'm sorry.

[Rory]

Yo, he just.

[Mall]

We were bumping Cheetah Girls. We were bumping Cheetah Girls. Like, that was at 13. I had. Well, at 35, I still have crushes on all three of them.

[Rory]

But it was four of them.

[Mall]

You conveniently forgot the white one. No. Did they drop her? No. She was in the movie, but she wasn't in the group when they put music out.

[Rory]

Yes, she was. Oh, I don't know.

[Damaris]

I don't think she's.

[Mall]

No, no, no. When they were actually three lw, they.

That girl wasn't in there. It was only three.

[Rory]

She's not in three Little Women, but neither is Raven. Raven's not in three LW either.

[Mall]

Wait, is it one girl from Cheetah Girl? Two girls and Cheetah Girls? Yeah. Three lw.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Didn't Cameron write, like, the hit record for three lw?

[Rory]

You lying.

[Mall]

No, I swear to God. I think Cameron wrote.

[Damaris]

He wrote that.

[Mall]

Wait, Cameron, 3lW? It's funny when you find out, like, yeah, no more. Yeah, Cameron wrote no more for 3 LW.

[Rory]

Promises, promises.

[Mall]

Computers be put. No, not if you really listen to that flow.

[Damaris]

That's Broken Promises.

[Mall]

You think there's a reference track of Cam with Alyssa? Absolutely.

[Rory]

Looking at your pages, seeing different numbers and numbers.

[Damaris]

Oh, now you can hear Cam, right? You can hear it now. Now when you say it, you can hear Cam.

[Rory]

Yo.

[Damaris]

Oh, man, that's hilarious.

[Rory]

Now I gotta look up what else Cam done wrote. Like.

[Mall]

Yeah, again, it's just funny hearing those stories of, like, Nas writing big Willie style. 50 writing puffs, verse on let's Get It. Like, one of the most iconic. Diddy versus just a young Curtis Jackson.

[Damaris]

Crazy.

[Mall]

My name is Diddy. I run this city. Like he went to.

[Damaris]

Now executive producing director. It's just crazy. It's life. Life is just.

[Mall]

It's awful. Circle.

[Damaris]

It all comes back, man.

[Mall]

So maybe they should have Cameron on the View. Isn't she on the View now?

[Damaris]

One of the girls from three.

[Mall]

Yeah, Adrian.

[Damaris]

Adrian Balon. Yeah, she's still on the View. I feel like they switched that cast so much. I don't know who's on the View no more.

[Rory]

Cam was on. Cam wrote part of Crush on you by Locim. He has written credits on Crush on you and Gone by Kanye West.

[Mall]

Well, I mean, he's. Oh, he raps.

[Rory]

Raps on it. Yeah, that makes sense. Sorry, my bad.

[Mall]

I think. I think he's writing credits on Purple Haze too.

[Damaris]

Camp, maybe. You gotta have.

[Mall]

Yeah, that Come Home With Me album. Pen's all over that.

[Damaris]

He's on there. He's on there.

[Mall]

So, yeah, I think. I think we made a good case that 2011 can hang when it's not brought up the way. Like, I'm even looking at Complex, which again, greatest publication of all time. Until they take us off a list, I don't even think they put 2011 on their top 20. And I think that shit could be in the top five. So we cracked. We cracked the code on that one.

[Damaris]

It's not enough in 2011 to not.

[Mall]

Make the top 20.

[Damaris]

Let me see. Take care, wash the throne, section 80. Section 80. Okay.

What else we got up there? See, that's. It gets.

[Mall]

No, it's still there because you get. You have. Take care, Watch the throne.

Sean. Finally. Famous Lupe Lasers. Beyonce, Ford. Like, we went through the clip that went viral. Rihanna talked that talk. Weekend cocaine. 80s Frank Ocean. Like, it's. It's there.

[Rory]

I. I'm gonna this Way by Lady Gaga, which is like, well, revered.

[Mall]

I'm not saying it needs to be top three, but the fact that Complex doesn't even have it on its top 20 is like.

[Damaris]

Yeah, with those. With those albums you just named alone, it could be. That's top 20.

[Mall]

That's insane. Yeah, but I mean, I guess. I don't know. Everyone just says 98. I'm going 03 just because of my age. But I was kind of mad my birth year wasn't on this.

My year was trash going on.

[Rory]

Including your birth, like, wasn't like.

[Damaris]

Well, nobody wasn't going on even when you was born.

[Mall]

A lot of women during childhood.

[Rory]

Wait, let's see who. Let's see who has the best birth year out of all three of us. Because I feel like when.

[Mall]

Here comes the. I feel like my birth year gonna smoke you niggas. Birth year.

[Damaris]

What year Was you born?

[Rory]

94.

[Mall]

Was Saturn rising at the time. Just tell us why yours would be. Actually, 94 is number one on the complex. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, so you're 81, right?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

All right, let's 81 first.

[Mall]

90. 94. Damaris is. Without me looking. I feel like Damaris is probably going to clean us the up.

[Damaris]

Only seven albums came out of 80.

[Rory]

Not just hip hop music. Yes.

[Mall]

Took a while to press those albums back.

[Damaris]

Yeah, only seven albums came out in 1981.

[Rory]

Okay, so 81.

[Mall]

Will we one channel.

[Damaris]

All right, we got Face Value. Phil Collins. All right, I'm in the game. Got Phil. Who else?

[Mall]

Wait, what's on that Phil album?

[Damaris]

Face Value?

[Mall]

Yeah. Like, was that because. Was that one of those Phil albums?

[Damaris]

Like, I feel like if One More Night is on there.

[Mall]

Okay, then yeah, I guess.

[Damaris]

Oh, God. In the air tonight. 1981. One of the greatest songs ever. One of the greatest songs ever came out the year I was born.

[Mall]

Rory, that might be the greatest song of all time.

[Damaris]

One of the greatest songs ever in the Air tonight. See, it was Something in the Air.

[Mall]

Tonight when I was Street Songs by.

[Rory]

Rick James was an album that came out, and it. That was. That has super freaking and Give it to Me Baby on it. So.

[Mall]

Come on. Luther Vandross. Never Too Much came out in 1981.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

So, yeah, I mean, I'm feeling like 81 was the greatest year of music. That's how. Just how I'm feeling.

[Commercial Announcer]

That's.

[Mall]

That's just how you feel.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's just how I feel right now.

[Mall]

What's on the Earth? Wind and Fire Raise. I'm Offhand. I don't know. And Stevie Wonder, Hotter than July.

[Damaris]

Come on, man. One of the greatest artists ever. I'm just saying. 81 was a great year. It was a great year. As far as I'm concerned. We got some important albums from some important artists in 1981.

[Mall]

Oh, wait, hold on. Gap Band 3 came out then, too. Yearning for your Love came out in 1981.

[Rory]

All right. That's cool.

[Damaris]

Some great songs, some great songs, great artists.

[Rory]

Iroh, you're what, 91?

[Mall]

90. 90.

[Rory]

Oh, go to yours.

[Mall]

All right, let's go. L Biv, devoe, Poison.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

LL Cool J. Mama said knock you out.

[Damaris]

Okay, cool.

[Mall]

G Rap Wanted Dead or Alive One of the most underrated rap albums.

[Damaris]

America's Most Wanted, Ice Cube, Damn Brand.

[Mall]

Nubian One for all.

[Damaris]

See, but that's not fair because by that time, hip hop was a little older. So it's like, you know, I mean, hip hop was still so young when I was born. It was like heard. See what I'm saying?

[Mall]

Johnny Gill, self titled album. Not even was kind of weird. But I'm. I'm all right. I'm all right here now.

[Damaris]

Y got some good albums, though.

[Rory]

Okay, now go to mine, please. Thank you.

[Mall]

94 Illmatic ready to die like what.

[Damaris]

We like what we doing Ready to.

[Mall]

Die Outcast Southern Playlistic Cadillac Funky music War and G Regulate yeah Gangstar Hard to earn Common resurrection yeah AJ Nothing.

[Rory]

But a number Crazy Sexy Cool Black.

[Mall]

Street Brandy super tight Damn.

[Rory]

Come On I'll Get Up on it by Keith Sweat. Mariah's Christmas album, My Life, Mary J came out.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah, yeah. No, that's not even close.

[Damaris]

That's.

[Mall]

That's above the Rim soundtrack.

[Rory]

The best of.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's one of the best.

[Mall]

BO Men too.

[Damaris]

Crazy Sexy Cool came. Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

What we doing?

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's a lot of shit.

[Rory]

Just let me know what we doing.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's too many records you bragging.

[Mall]

But Maul was the only one listening to those albums in 1994. You and I were.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I could speak to it like, those are some classic albums.

[Rory]

Rhythm of Love, Anita Baker.

[Damaris]

The fact that Illmatic Ready to die. Crazy Sexy Cool. Like, those are like three iconic albums.

[Rory]

Two by Boys to Men came out and that's like huge.

[Damaris]

Boys to men.

[Mall]

I mean, to me, 2016 would have to be my. My version of 94 of like, actually remembering all iconic albums being put out in one year. Like the last iconic year period. 26, 2016 is the last, last iconic year.

[Rory]

Ah, 2020 might have something to say.

[Damaris]

2020 is an underrated year. Music 2020, we always talk about that, like, because of the pandemic. Like, but when you go and look at the music that. That we got in 2020, we got some great albums in 2020. We got great albums. We got great shows on television in 2020. Like, it was a weird year, but artistically it was. It was a great year.

[Mall]

I. I hear what you guys are saying, but even like, with where 2016 kind of beats everyone for some reason, that year was the cycle that every A List artist put out.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Not only an album, one of their best albums in their catalog. Like, yeah. Are you with Drake Views, Anderson Pack, Malibu Solange, Seat at the Table, Tribe Called Quest. We got it from here. No worries. Yes, Lord Free Black Coloring book, Blank Face LP Lemonade, Untitled.

[Damaris]

Wait, what year was this?

[Mall]

2016.

No name Teflon. Like, this is Donald Glover, Awaken My Love Weekend Starboy. You got Life of Pablo, then to party next door. 3. Like Bruno Mars, 24K Magic Shrim, Life. 2.

[Damaris]

Anti Rihanna.

[Mall]

Yeah, like I.

Big Sean and Janae, 2088. J. Cole, for your Eyes Only, which, by the way, I've. I revisited. I may. Oh, Cole. A little bit of apology for how much I should on that album.

[Rory]

Yeah, you do.

[Mall]

It's definitely still, in my opinion, the bottom of his catalog. But when I say bottomless catalog, it's J. Cole is a legend in rap. That doesn't mean it's bad. It's just at the bottom to me, as far as catalog go. But I went back to it. It. I gave it a lot of. I should have lived with it some more.

I think Neighbors might have been the biggest record on there. I'm not gonna say it's his American Gangster, where it's like, years later, you realize maybe it's one of his best, but it's. It's better than the. I gave it.

[Damaris]

Okay, that's fair.

[Mall]

Yeah. Like, I mean, the outro I always loved, but, I mean, that's some of his best rapping ever. But, like, imagine it if we got KOD instead of that, though, in 2016. I would say it would rival 94, 98.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And everything at that point. But.

[Rory]

But I still think that 2016 is probably the best year in music in the 20s, in the 2000s.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Those albums are insane.

[Mall]

I'm with Peach, I think. I think it was the last iconic.

[Rory]

Year of music, and there they weren't just like. It wasn't just like all the greats dropped an album because there's some. There's like one or two other years like that. I think it was. All the greats dropped their best album and it was like.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Or at least the fan favorite. Like my favorite Beyonce album, it is probably Lemonade, my favorite Rihanna album is. You know what I'm saying? Like my favorite Kanye. And it goes on and on. So It's.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

You know what's one thing I noticed? What? Like, as much as I.

Like. No, Beyonce is incredible. She's, like, an amazing artist. I really don't listen to Beyonce, and that's okay. No, but I'm saying, like, it's crazy. Like, when I think about it, I'm like, she puts out incredible albums, incredible songs, but I really can't tell you a time where I actually went and, like, put on outside of when the album first come out, just to hear what she gave us, what she did.

[Rory]

Cause it's not your vibe. But that's why when me and you get into it all the time, when I'm like, just because you listen to it more doesn't make it the greatest. We say that. I tell you that all the time. Something can be great and just not be what you want to hear all the time.

[Damaris]

Oh, no, for sure. I'm not. I would never argue that. But it's like. It's almost, like, weird how much I don't listen to Beyonce and how much I recognize, like, she's one of the greatest artists ever.

[Mall]

I think my personal take is she's one of the few artists that the second half of her solo catalog is better than the first half. Like, every Beyonce album has gotten better.

[Damaris]

Somehow, because she's grown as a producer, as an artist.

[Mall]

Like, four isn't. Is an incredible, incredible papa four on. And, like, mother Mature, Beyonce is the greatest. Like, I hear you. Like, I don't go back to. I don't listen to, like, Sasha Fierce album like that. I don't listen to Dangerously in Love like that, but I listen to Lemonade, Beyonce, Cowboy Carter, like, religiously throughout the week. I will throw Lemonade on in the car at any time.

[Rory]

The Bday people gonna kick your ass about that because there's. There's a B day, like, stand.

[Mall]

Oh, Beyonce doesn't have a bad album.

[Rory]

No. What I mean, I'm just talking about that. Like, there's a. There is a. A part of the Internet that will say bday is Beyonce's best album, and they will fight you on that.

[Mall]

I used to think it was four.

[Rory]

It's the most iron. Four is the most R B.

[Mall]

So that means yes. But, I mean, I don't know. I. I think Beyonce and Lemonade can rival it. Like, her. Her latter half of her. Her career, to me, is. Has so much replay value.

[Rory]

What was going on in y' all love lives when Lemonade dropped?

[Damaris]

Well, it was at 2016.

[Mall]

I was in a relationship, man.

[Damaris]

I was. I was just a fucking. The. The spirit of the Jezebel was all over me.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

2026.

[Rory]

Did you get a Lemonade song dedicated to you? I feel like every man at that time that was a piece of shit. Had a lemonade song dedicated to you.

[Damaris]

I can'. Remember. But the. The Jezebel spirit was just all over me.

[Mall]

I think Peach, correct me if I'm wrong, I think we did Palooza in Miami the day. Because didn't Lemonade drop on, like, HBO with the videos or something? Wasn't there, like a movie or something?

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mall]

And I remember coming back to our Airbnb after Palooza and just like the timeline, just hating men. And we're like, yo, what the just happened? We couldn't even get chicks back to the spot. It was just. Man hater. Yeah.

[Damaris]

Because that was the album when her and Jay were going through. Was going through their thing, right?

[Rory]

Well, I think they had gotten through it.

[Damaris]

But, yeah, she put it all on the album. Like, she talked about it.

[Rory]

Like.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I remember that.

[Mall]

Don't even give. Like, don't let me nerd out about. Lemonade is perfectly sequenced for a breakup grieving process. Like, all the stages of grief starts from track one all the way to the end of forgiveness. Like, that album is so deep. If you really get into it, even to the point with the. With the weekend record is placed right where, like, you know what this. I'm gonna go through my whole phase like him. You know, I'm gonna. I'm go out and people like. And then it gets back to, like, man, these streets. I miss them. I' ma forgive them. Like, it's. It's legitimately a breakup in one cycle of the sequence. It's such a brilliant album. Like, it's incredible. How they even fit that into a popping R B album with the writing is insane to me.

[Damaris]

That might be her most important album.

[Rory]

I definitely think it is. Hands down.

[Damaris]

It might not be her best album, but it's her most important album.

[Rory]

I think it's the best, too.

[Mall]

Even once you get into the whole phase, then you gotta get into your relationship with your pops and why you even chose this guy that cheated on you. Like. Like, it's a whole therapy. I know it's cliche to say with albums like, this is a therapy session. That shit is a legitimate breakup therapy session in one album.

[Rory]

I have to be in a good place to listen to Lemonade. Like, I can't listen to Lemonade and be in a bad place.

[Mall]

That place I can't pray you catch me is one of the greatest intros of all.

[Rory]

It's. It's probably. And that's probably one of my favorite Beyonce songs. I pray.

[Mall]

Love drought is one of my favorite Beyonce songs of all time.

[Rory]

Love draw is my favorite Beyonce song of all time.

[Mall]

And all night outro. Come on.

[Rory]

I never made it all night because I never forgave him.

[Mall]

You never wanted to kiss up and rub?

[Rory]

Kiss up and rub up and fill up on them? Nah, nah. You talking about sand castles. They washed away all that.

I turn it off at the daddy song. Daddy lessons.

[Mall]

And then after she forgives her king and all men are important again, we get a just blaze in Beyonce record. Freedom is the craziest beat ever. Like, the fact that they had never worked together is kind of nuts to me too.

[Damaris]

Why did she put that song? What was that attached to?

[Mall]

I mean, there was some things going on in 2016.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Yeah. But I can't. Like, so much shit happened in the last 10 years.

[Rory]

That was. That was kind of like the start of the Black lives matter.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Black Lives Matter 2015.

[Damaris]

I knew it was something. I couldn't remember what it was.

[Mall]

We're not talking about the LLC versus just talking about the actual movement that had actual substance, not the people that took money.

[Damaris]

And I know exactly what you don't want.

[Rory]

Yeah, it was. That's when that started to. That was. That was a good time. But I don't know about most important. I think most important might be the Beyonce album. The Beyonce album changed music.

[Mall]

Yeah, it was. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, It's the first, like, actual surprise album.

[Damaris]

What's that song on it?

I can't believe that.

[Rory]

That'S me, myself and I.

[Damaris]

That might be Beyonce's best album.

[Mall]

That. If you were to play Family Feud, that was the last men's favorite Beyonce song, it would be me.

[Damaris]

That album On Top.

[Rory]

Not Love on Top, but also.

Oh, God, I'm gonna think of it in a second hold. I saw four, but yeah.

[Mall]

Love on Top video. New edition.

Back to our new edition conversation.

[Damaris]

I can't remember Love on Top.

[Mall]

It's a very similar. It has a new edition vibe. The treatment of them in the. Like that rec center dancing and.

[Damaris]

Yeah, okay.

[Rory]

That's.

[Mall]

They. They definitely, like, were.

[Damaris]

That's what, you know, song is hard. Like, you gotta be in the dance studio by yourself. Like, if you wasn't in a dance studio by yourself, rehearsing in your video song wasn't a hit. Like every great R&B song had that one. Like, that great artist had that one video where it's just them in the dance studio mirrors by themselves. Like, you got it. That's like, part of, like, every artist want that video. Like, I need that video with just me in the dance studio.

[Rory]

And we just. I just want to talk about who started it.

[Mall]

Just saying is the in the dance studio.

[Damaris]

I don't think Janet started that.

[Rory]

It's the Pleasure Principal.

[Mall]

She might have.

[Damaris]

Nah. New Edition was before that, I think.

[Mall]

Yeah, New Edition was definitely before that.

[Damaris]

I think. If this isn't Love, it might have been before that.

[Rory]

Really?

[Damaris]

Yeah, it might be. It might be. If this isn't Love might be before Pleasure Principle.

[Mall]

Is the dance studio the same as the laying down on your album cover? Is that the equivalent?

[Damaris]

Okay. If this isn't love is 88. Yeah. I think Pleasure Principle was right after that. Right.

[Rory]

Punishment principle was 86, baby. Now, with some respect.

[Damaris]

Okay, see, let's close. I was young. I was a young young, and I was only five, you know what I'm saying? But damn. I remember. I remember this around the same time, but okay.

[Mall]

Look at Ralph just biting.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I mean, listen, that was Janet. Listen. It is what it is. That was Ms. Jackson.

[Rory]

I'm sure there was somebody before that, but.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

So I even put.

[Damaris]

They made it iconic, though.

[Mall]

I'll even put Cowboy Carter. Pretty high on Beyonce's discography list. That has more replay value than to me than B. Sasha Fierce. Dangerously low.

[Rory]

Yeah. Are wrong. And that's okay.

[Mall]

Replay value to me.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

You could. Of course, Dangerous Love. I think all 16 records are hits, but yeah, Cowboy.

[Damaris]

That might be my favorite Beyonce. Yeah.

[Mall]

Hip hop stuff. At the time, though, it was Aston, too. In 03, I was. I gave a little. What's the Jay Z gift? When he. I was doing that a little bit. Okay, I see what takes.

[Rory]

He was trying to catch the. He was.

[Mall]

You couldn't catch it either.

[Rory]

Damn. Yo.

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[Damaris]

Yeah, that's Beyonce's best album.

[Rory]

What?

[Damaris]

Once I saw the COVID that's her best album. Dangerously in Love, I guess.

[Mall]

I don't know.

[Rory]

Yeah, when's the last time y' all loved somebody? Like dangerously in love, too? Like, when's the last time y' all loved somebody like that?

[Damaris]

Oh, shit. I don't know.

[Mall]

What do you mean by dangerously in love?

[Rory]

That bitch said, like I'm dangerously in love with you. Like, it's like I'll never leave my bitch said, every time I see your face my heart smiles created in this world of love to hold, to breathe, to feel, to live you.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's probably crazier than cater to you.

[Rory]

Hey, man, look, man.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I ain't make. I ain't making enough money yet for them to love me like that.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you gotta make it. You gotta be in a certain bracket for them to love you like that.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's kind of crazy.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Dangerously in love. Yeah.

[Mall]

No, even Mama Blacking. What's the Jay Z and Beyonce's first record that they ever did that's on Dangerously Enough?

[Damaris]

Bonnie and Clyde.

[Mall]

No. Crazy in Love. Even the lyrics. Crazy in Love is. Is kind of sick if you get into the lyrics.

[Damaris]

That's Jay and Beyonce's first song together, I think.

[Rory]

Yeah. I thought.

Bonnie and Clyde was. Well, they both came out the same year, so.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Yeah. I thought Crazy in Love was like, you know, their ig Reveal.

He no longer was the. The Rolex and the forearm. Like, they was outside with it. Yeah.

[Rory]

Damn. Yo.

[Mall]

Yo, look at what you did to me. Yo. She went kind of nuts on Crazy Baby.

[Rory]

I can't go anywhere without thinking that you're there. It seems like you're everywhere is true. That'll be. Oh, that's deja vu. Wrong song. Sorry.

[Damaris]

You just be all like, look at you. You just get your life together. Get your life together.

[Mall]

Same girl that didn't make it to All Night on Lemonade is saying that.

[Rory]

That.

You can't make it there all night.

[Mall]

I wish, like, more engineers did podcast interviews. Cuz, like, I would love to know what it was like the day, like, she walks out the booth after cutting Love on Top. Like, what that feeling has to be like. Of, like, there's only three people in the world that know we have one of the most undeniable records of all time. Like, what does that feel like?

[Damaris]

And do you know?

[Mall]

Do you know? Yeah.

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[Damaris]

Do you know? Like, that's gonna. I think it's hard to, like, really know if, like, certain records. I think. I'm guessing that when fucking Michael Jackson and them did Thriller, everybody in the studio knew, like, all right, this is. It's over.

[Rory]

See, you know what, though? I think songs like that. No. Because I think songs like that are a risk. That's not a proven formula. Thriller, I think it's a risk. I don't think anybody imagines that Thriller becomes.

[Mall]

With Thriller and Thriller was built. Yeah, like. Cause then they had to go do the most iconic video ever. Like, was built.

[Rory]

The video made the song. The song is an amazing song.

[Mall]

You just dropped Thriller on SoundCloud with no visual. I don't know if it has the.

[Damaris]

Same trajectory at that time. Crazy as hell. I'd have been like, what the is? This is the greatest song I've ever heard in my life.

[Mall]

Take it away from the song.

[Damaris]

But you get the video. But the video. The video. The reason why they put the emphasis on the Thriller video like that is because the record the song. And then at that time, Michael was like, yo, he is the biggest star in music right now.

[Mall]

And that was more of the formula back. I'm not comparing it to, like, say, Childish Gambino. This is America. That needed a visual. Like, you. Like, you weren't. Like, if he just dropped that record, like, you're not listening.

[Damaris]

Thriller, though. Nah. Yeah.

[Mall]

I'm not comparing it in that way. Where it's like, this needs a visual. To land. But that did build. Like.

You equate it to the visual.

[Rory]

Wow.

[Damaris]

You have to. Yeah.

[Mall]

So down to the choreography. Like, even single ladies. Undeniable. The choreography. And it being presented that way made the story even bigger, which is crazy.

[Rory]

Because the video dropped a year after the album dropped.

[Damaris]

That's what I'm saying. It was the song he's about. Thriller.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it was the song. That song was. That's one of those ones where any. The engineer, the producer, like, everything is just like, they know, like. No, this is.

[Mall]

We've.

[Damaris]

We've. Everything about this song is. Is perfect.

[Rory]

We ask Quincy, though. He's still talking.

[Damaris]

Quincy has passed away and resting with the Angels, man.

[Mall]

Yes. I wish we would have gotten one more interview from him so he could tell us.

[Damaris]

Rest in peace to the legend who.

[Mall]

Created Covid, Quincy Jones.

[Damaris]

Damaris.

[Rory]

Do I have dementia?

[Damaris]

He died last year.

[Rory]

A year last year. Yeah. Oh, you're right. He did.

[Mall]

We talked about it and we read his most iconic interview.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Once he told us that Marvin Gaye and Richard Pryor was fucking. He said he told us who killed JFK and then went, yo, so you like Brazilian food?

[Damaris]

Another day. Don't worry about it.

[Mall]

That's what he asked. The interview.

[Rory]

I feel so bad if I asked if he's still talking and he's dead. That feels so bad.

[Mall]

Was. I don't know if we've asked you this before, Mo, but was there songs that you heard in the studio and was like, that we all know and love now? You were like, oh, yeah, that's.

They got one there.

[Rory]

Other side.

[Damaris]

Jay's psa.

[Rory]

Oh, for sure.

[Damaris]

Yeah. When I heard that, I knew the city was gonna flip upside down when that shit dropped.

[Mall]

The story of that is crazy. From what just Blay said, he. He was doing press at baseline for the Black album, like, already, and just Blaze was making that in the B room while Jay was going back and forth to do press. And he heard it and would do an interview, run in and do two lines, do an interview, run back, do two more lines. Like, that's crazy.

[Damaris]

Yeah. When they played that, that was like. That song was played so much in baseline. Yeah. When I heard psa, I was. I definitely. I was like, yeah, this is. This is definitely gonna go crazy. And sure enough, I think Flex might have debuted.

[Mall]

That probably makes sense. But I just, like, I'd like to ask just Blaze what that car ride home was. He burnt it onto a CD driving back to Jersey. Like, just knowing you got this.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that was One that was an undeniable. Everybody that heard that in the studio was like, Jesus Christ.

[Rory]

Did y' all feel that way about Lucifer?

[Mall]

Because I heard Lucifer when the. I don't think Lucifer wasn't a single before the album.

[Damaris]

No, no, yeah, yeah, that was an album cut, bruh. Yeah, I didn't hear that. I didn't hear that one until the album came out. And then I. Obviously, I couldn't really listen to that. But, yeah, I mean, even in the.

[Mall]

Fade to Black movie.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah.

[Mall]

Kanye just playing that. And like, Jay's like, wait, what the Is that? Yeah, yeah.

[Damaris]

That was another one of those ones, though.

[Mall]

I've asked Guru that question before of like, what's it like to just know you have that? He compared it. He said, when you guys interviewed Pusha T and then you went home that night, you knew that you had something that tomorrow was going to stop the world. He's like, do you remember that? She's like, yeah, I remember hitting the group chat like, yo, y' all have no idea what the. We about to drop tomorrow. So, yeah, I guess I understand that anticipation, but obviously not to that degree. I could never imagine making the blueprint and driving home, like, just having Heart of the City on a burnt cd. Like, wait till the world hears this.

Like, this is insane.

[Rory]

So I know they be calling. This is my thing. And they could lie and say that they don't. I know they be calling they bitches, the ones they know they could trust and be like, you gotta hear this. You gotta pillow talk to hit records before they come out.

[Mall]

Yeah, there's no way. Of course we even talk. I mean, shout out to our brother, Quentin Miller, when we interviewed him. I mean, a lot of the reason why shit was leaky, he was like, of course I was playing that for bitches. You don't think my reference for Drake, I wasn't playing for people.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you have to almost like. Like, come on, you working with the biggest artist.

[Mall]

Like, what are we talking about?

[Damaris]

I have to get that off. Like, I gotta bring my chicks that I like to the studio and just play it. And then they know that the biggest artist is about to record on this. Like, that's part of it. You have to. That's part of the whole moment of the record.

[Mall]

Yeah, because even, like, when. Which I'm snitching on myself. We talked about it with gigs, like, when Jay did the God did verse, and I was there right after he recorded it with Guru, and he was. I was like, all right. Jay's rapping for, like, six minutes. Like, I ran right back. I was like, kia. I heard a six minute Jay Z verse. Like, yeah.

[Rory]

I started.

[Mall]

I started talking about it immediately.

[Damaris]

Did Guru play that over the phone for me? I feel like he did.

[Mall]

I called you.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

He called gigs. Like, when. When you have something, you call people like you.

[Rory]

I mean, I think you called me too.

[Mall]

Like, probably.

[Rory]

Yeah, Like, I remember. I remember hearing parts of it. I think you called me too, too.

[Mall]

I was sitting there trying to remember the verse. Oh, yeah, No, I was definitely trying to memorize Jay's verse. And I've rapped because where Jungle Studios is and where I was staying was like walking distance. And I was. I was rapping that to myself. I was like, what did he say again?

[Damaris]

Yo, yeah, Drake's Drake sent me a record that might change my life, but I don't know if it's gonna make the album.

[Rory]

Change your life.

[Mall]

Oh, so you're mentioned in it?

[Damaris]

Said ma N. He didn't say ma. No, he said nigga. Said ma. Baby D.

[Mall]

Said if it doesn't make.

[Rory]

The album, took her to the mall for podcast and equipment. She just want to win.

[Damaris]

He didn't. Baby D. He didn't say that.

[Mall]

Okay, Drake rapping mall is fine. Drake rapping. The words podcast equipment would be the funniest thing of all time. But if it doesn't make the album, don't worry, because Stove God shout you out on the verse on my album.

[Damaris]

He did shout all out.

[Rory]

That nigga is from the Bronx. I'm here.

[Mall]

That is true.

[Damaris]

I was very pivotal and putting the world on the Stove God. Okay, that is.

[Mall]

That is definitely true. They killed me all out. At the end of the verse, I moved the shout out to the beginning of the verse.

In between the verses.

[Damaris]

Shout out, my God.

[Mall]

You know what? Let me put more on this little.

[Rory]

This.

[Mall]

This dead air right here.

[Damaris]

Shout out, my God, Stove.

[Rory]

They killed me for, say, like, when I said on the Internet, because they were like, rory and Ma don't put people on. And no new artists. And I'm like. I was like, half of y' all wouldn't know who a lot of Griselda is without back in those days. Obviously now, of course, but back when, like, y' all weren't listening to them.

[Mall]

Black and Daniel Caesar both have personally thanked me for the first person in media to ever say their name.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you can't pay that. People forget.

[Rory]

That's.

[Mall]

That's hilarious.

[Damaris]

But people a lot of. Well, to be fair, a lot of people were not probably listening to us in 2016, 2017, when a lot of those guys we were playing, so, you know, they missed it.

[Mall]

But I had, like, seen the Fly God artwork. But Maul was the first person for sure to, like, force me to have to sit and be like, it's not only west side Gun, this guy Conway. And then like, one of their cousins or some shit is insane. One of her cousins or some happened.

[Damaris]

To be Benny the Butcher. Just was Benny. Like, I was like, y' all never heard of this too?

[Mall]

Like, okay, yeah. We get a NAS album this week.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Mall]

With DJ Premiere.

[Damaris]

We get a NAS album this week. We get a Conway album same day. So, yeah, rap, it's a lot of ra. A lot of good raps. I'm excited to hear what Mass Appeal did with this NAS DJ Premiere album.

[Mall]

We're saying it casually, like, this is Nas. The way we talked about 2016. We're getting a NAS and DJ premiere album this week.

[Damaris]

Finally is happening.

[Mall]

I saw a rumor and it was Twitter. So it's true.

Maybe it was just because they took a photo, but there was some Rome streets, Nas talk.

[Damaris]

What do you mean?

[Mall]

As far as working together on this album?

[Damaris]

Yeah, but the track list is only one feature on this album.

[Mall]

I saw that with. It's just az. Yeah, but I. I don't know. People were in the. In the Rome street side of Twitter. They were saying they're. They're working, and I don't know if it's working because they got a picture together. Yeah, but there was more evidence. You know, they breaked everything down on. On Twitter and Reddit. Yeah, but I would love to see that. I mean, that's just great. Queen shit.

[Damaris]

Great for Rome.

[Mall]

Rome deserves it. And I know, I know Nas this year paid attention and listen to everything.

[Damaris]

Nas listened to, but guys like that, the. The rappers, the. They pay attention to, even if they're not motivated or inspired by the current climate in rap, they always still pay attention to what's going on. Who are the new guys that are holding the pen to a certain standard? So Nas, Jay and guys like that, they always in tune. Artists that are on the come up that don't think that those guys know about them. If you're dope, they definitely know who you are.

[Mall]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the studio session I've been in with J. Cole, all he does is sit on YouTube and look like you see. He literally sees everything. Like, you have free.

[Damaris]

When you're that at that level and you pay attention to that, like, you're that meticulous with the. With the craft. You definitely know about all of the guys that are bubbling and that are making noise.

[Mall]

That's even how I discovered that Donald Glover interviewed Chief Keef.

J. Cole. Stopped everyone's studio and said, donald Glover just interviewed Chief Keith. It's quite possibly the funniest interview I've ever seen in my life.

[Damaris]

I just saw a clip of a shout out to Vince Stables. I got Vince Stables. He did an interview with. I forgot the young lady's name. Zway.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mall]

No, her show is hilarious.

[Damaris]

She's so funny.

I just love Vince, man.

[Mall]

Like, sit and watch the whole thing.

[Damaris]

I saw some clues, the way he answers questions because Vince has this. He has his demeanor about him. Like, and I don't know if what the relationship between Vince and Zway are, if they just met during this interview or not, but, like, as someone that's sitting across from Vince, if it's your first time and you're asking questions, you really think he's being an asshole. Like, he has that thing about him where you like, all right, he's being a dick. But this is really who Vince. Really? I'm talking about cameras off. That's exactly what Vince would have said for sure to all of those questions.

[Mall]

And maybe it's cause I'm an asshole. I don't think he comes across as an asshole at all. No, I see why people would think that.

[Rory]

Like, but he's king sarcasm and so is.

[Mall]

No, he. He don't. He's not being sarcastic.

[Damaris]

Cameras off. That would have been his answer. That would have been his. His response to those questions. Like, this is like him just in the studio kicking it, like, and just having a conversation like, this is exactly who Vince is. I do have to watch this full interview because I only saw some of the clips, but check out the Z Way interview with Vince Staples. From what I saw, it looks like it's hilarious.

[Mall]

Even like, when he was talking to Speedy, he was like, you let people at your house. He wasn't being sarcastic.

[Damaris]

Yeah, he didn't understand that. He couldn't even understand why you. Like, what you mean? Like, come to miles. Like, what you mean?

[Mall]

Like, are you cooked for your friend is wrong with you?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

Shout out to Vince, man.

[Mall]

Yeah, I hope season three gets picked up. I mean, especially everything Netflix is going to. Yeah, I mean, they should have the capital.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Season two. The numbers that Netflix and Paramount's throwing around is fucking. They just up there just playing all kind of games with billions. I got 82 billion for you? Yeah, I got 108 for you. Yeah. So y' all niggas is up here playing with $200 billion. Like, y' all just up here. It's niggas homeless.

[Mall]

I was gonna say. People don't have health insurance.

[Damaris]

All kind of shit. And y' all just in this office throwing around $200 billion.

[Mall]

Like, can we Google how much money is in the world?

[Damaris]

How much money is in money doesn't make any. How much money is in that Warner Brothers parking lot right now? Yeah, that's what we need to Google.

[Mall]

Well, what year was it when. When money actually technically didn't exist because the rate of money printed versus what the golds that it used to be represent?

[Damaris]

So physical cash is around 9 to 10 trillion dollars, while the broader money supply is roughly 90 to 100, 120 trillion. A total global wealth is much higher, nearing 470 trillion or more. Showing most value isn't physical currency, but digital assets.

[Rory]

So that ain't real.

[Damaris]

So physical currency, 9, 9 to 10 trillion dollars.

[Mall]

Even the rate of which we value money from certain countries is compared to ours is made. Made up. Like, I'm not one of those people that thinks everything Kanye west says is profound, but when he did ask Joe Rogan, how much do you think the world costs? Like, that really did. Actually, with my mind, I was like, no, I'm not being one of those Kanye people. But he has like. That's a really interesting question.

[Damaris]

How much debt is the world? And it just came out yesterday, right?

[Mall]

Who are we in debt to?

[Rory]

You mean the US Just go to.

[Mall]

Union Square, it tells you they got the debt clocker.

[Damaris]

No, that's not the world debt.

[Mall]

That's our debt.

[Rory]

I'm saying world debt because who is the world?

[Mall]

Oh, yeah. Who are we in debt to?

[Damaris]

You mean the U.S. no, the whole country. Look, look, the U.S. the world debt is nearing 346 trillion by late 2025.

[Mall]

Is that all the country's debt to? I believe so.

[Damaris]

China and Japan. U.S. yeah.

[Mall]

What I don't understand is why can't, like, the country just file chapter 11? Like, I mean, I know that gets you in a Great Depression, but, like, we. We should just files. I don't. I don't want.

[Damaris]

We got it.

[Mall]

I don't want Amara to have to pay this back. Like, can we file?

[Rory]

Can we.

[Mall]

Can we just start at zero?

[Damaris]

Oh, man.

[Mall]

I mean, I'm sure the US Will build its credit back up. I mean.

Damaris is giving us the wrap it up thing because, you know, she's part of the Illuminati now. We're starting to ask the real questions. And now she wants us to get off the mic. Damn us. Debt clock.org.

I'm. I'm sure that. I'm sure this is really a.gov. if you get into the dark web. They own this website as well. But this was fun. I'm glad we actually got to talk about music. It's good to talk about music with.

[Damaris]

You sometimes when you're not, like, you know, deep into your barefoot bag and when you come back to, like, Queens a little bit. Like, I appreciate that we fuck with.

[Rory]

I fuck with barefoot, though.

[Damaris]

No, me too. But, you know, sometimes Rory is like, he don't put socks on for a week, and it's just like, he don't want to talk rap.

[Rory]

I feel like no socks and New Balance feet stank.

[Mall]

And that whole once once, Mac Miller and Anderson Paak did, like, the greatest version of barefoot rap single with what was off the Divine Feminine.

[Damaris]

That girl.

[Rory]

I gotta see that. The sls.

[Mall]

Yeah. Everyone tried to copy that after that. And I started to fall out of love with. With barefoot music.

[Damaris]

Oh.

[Mall]

Because everyone just tried. They ran into the ground. And not to say it's eat. Some of the beats are easy to make, but the actual songs are tough.

[Damaris]

And everyone just.

[Mall]

They took it and ran with it. And that genre, man, they killed it. Yeah, I'm sure K pop has raining in the ground, too. I'm kind of over the barefoot shit.

[Damaris]

All right. But we got some Nas album this weekend. Nas DJ premiere. We got Conway Can't Kill God With Bullets this weekend as well. So listen, man, we got some good music on the way.

[Mall]

Are you gonna pass out toys and baseley with me and Nas?

I don't know. Listen, man, you good. I'll show you around Queens. It's cool. You'll be safe.

[Damaris]

I'm always good in Queens.

[Mall]

I promise.

[Damaris]

We'll make you.

[Mall]

All right.

[Damaris]

They know me on parsley. They know me on Jamaica Ave. Parsons. Parsons. I'm sorry.

[Mall]

Nigga said parsley.

[Damaris]

Why? Don't say Parsons. Parsons Boulevard. They know me over there, man. I'm good over there, man.

[Mall]

Calling Parsons.

[Damaris]

But I didn't say Parsons.

[Mall]

Parsley is. Cause you were thinking Basley.

[Damaris]

That's what it was.

[Rory]

You said Baisley.

[Damaris]

That's what it was. All right, well, we'll talk to y' all soon. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger.

[Rory]

Peace, no worry.

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[Rory]

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[Rory]

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