Episode 449 | High School Prom

Summary

New Rory & MAL – Episode 449 "High School Prom"

Date: January 30, 2026
Platform: iHeartPodcasts & The Volume
Hosts: Rory, Mal, Damaris

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Episode Overview

This episode continues the New Rory & Mal tradition of meandering through laughs, music debates, nostalgia, hot takes, and stories you didn’t ask for, all wrapped in the hosts' signature irreverence. The main topics include debates about hip hop legends, dry January confessions, high school rituals like prom and graduation songs, generational changes in music consumption, industry stories about music production, and navigating changes in culture and consent. They also take listener voicemails, address Southern radio vs. New York radio influence, and discuss upcoming shows they’re excited about attending.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Recent Life & Running Gags ([01:06–05:02])

• Opening Banter: Damaris and Mal joke about dry January and the struggle of not drinking or having sex, with nods to dry humor and playful roasts.
  • "Damaris panties feel like a used dryer sheet." – Mal [02:15]
• Sponsorships & Swag: The crew jokes about sponsor swag—popcorn from The Volume, hats from Boost Mobile—and how Snapbacks should just be donated.
• Internet Frenzy: Mal addresses a viral moment regarding J. Cole:
  • “Through it all, we still love Cole. We just, you know, are disappointed... and a little heartbroken.” – Mal [08:50]

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2. Barbershop Stories & J. Cole Talk ([06:01–10:15])

• Damaris recounts an awkward encounter with her barber (who also cuts J. Cole’s hair), highlighting both barbershop banter and fandom intricacies.
• The hosts reflect on how internet clips quickly go viral, sometimes before they finish recording.
• On J. Cole concerts, Damaris claims, “The loudest I've ever heard the Garden in my entire life was at a J. Cole show…” [09:48]
• Mal’s take: not making it to a full J. Cole concert, and how artists perceive their own performance hierarchy.

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3. Banks vs. Fab – The Rap Debates ([12:36–20:07])

• The long-running debate: Who’s better, Lloyd Banks or Fabolous?
  • Referencing 50 Cent’s recent (and shady) Instagram post:
    "They both write better when it’s about girls… They both never put no work in themselves… It's a tie." – 50 Cent via Damaris [13:12]
• Yayo’s loyalty, the complexities of artist work ethic, and how rappers must believe they're the best, yet know privately when they're bested.
• The discussion on why Fabolous hasn't dropped new music—Mal suspects legal/contractual and business disputes, despite Fab being "still better than 90% of rappers today." [21:01]
• Damaris shares insight from being in-studio with Fabolous and vouches for new music in the vault.

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4. Timeless Music & Generational Gaps ([23:44–32:05])

• Is the streaming era killing "timeless" music? Albums have a lifespan of “about six days.” [22:45]
• Debate over which songs from 2000-on are truly timeless (“Love on Top,” “Always On Time,” “Hey Ya!”) and whether new generations’ wedding songs will endure.
• Graduation and prom songs through the years:
  • Classics: "I Believe I Can Fly," "Greatest Love of All," "Tomorrow" by Tevin Campbell, “Time of Your Life” by Green Day.
  • Damaris and Rory share personal school dance memories, and Mal mourns losing his prom to a classmate who stole the computer with all the grades.

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5. Prom, Alcohol Stories & Youthful Debauchery ([32:05–36:00])

• 99 Bananas, Mad Dog 2020, Four Loko, Everclear—stories of teenage drinking disasters.
• Rory and Damaris reminisce about concoctions like Jungle Juice and bad decisions at school dances.

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6. Quaaludes, Consent & Changing Cultural Norms ([37:07–51:35])

• The crew discusses Bill Cosby's Quaalude controversy and the shifting public attitude toward drug use/consent.
  • “If you’re dead sober and dropping drugs without telling people, that's the definition of date rape.” – Damaris [39:24]
• Reflection on how language, casual attitudes, and lyrics (e.g., Rick Ross’s infamous “put molly in her drink” line) have shifted, with hindsight bringing accountability:
  • “Hindsight is 20/20 because that shit was fucking insane.” – Rory [45:25]
• Advice for young listeners:
  • “If you have not had sex with this person before, do not have sex with them for the first time drunk.” – Rory [50:15]
  • “Live to fight another day.” – Damaris [51:02]

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7. Music Industry & Production Nerd-Out ([51:35–62:05])

• Excitement about Mass Appeal’s new “Imagine That”—a program letting fans submit their dream artist/producer collaborations for possible real albums.
  • “I feel sorry for whoever has to go through all these submissions…” – Mall [53:42]
• Deep dive into why so many writers/producers are credited on modern songs and how hip hop’s “single producer” concept is actually a rarity.
  • “Quincy Jones produced Thriller, there was 75 people on each song.” – Damaris [57:17]
  • “That’s very normal.” – Mall on five producers per beat [57:36]
• Disagreement over “purist” hip hop heads criticizing multiple producer credits, with a call for more collaboration and musicality in the studio.

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8. Listener Voicemails & The New York vs. South Radio Debate ([78:00–84:38])

• Caller Pushback: A listener from Texas refutes claims that New York radio ever dominated Southern music scenes:
  • "New York ain't never ran the radio in Texas… We always play our artists out here." – Listener [78:08]
• Damaris agrees and clarifies her original point: while Southern radio has always been self-sufficient, industry power brokers and syndication in NYC mattered for national records in the 2000s, especially for pop crossover tracks. Never suggested that NY’s hip hop determined what plays in the South.

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9. Upcoming Shows, Travel, and the Awkwardness of Guest Lists ([64:37–77:58])

• The hosts debate which Summer Walker tour stops they’ll attend (Toronto vs. Brooklyn, maybe London), navigating ticket requests and group plans.
  • “We've taken the same flight, same hotel, same Uber, same show, and I've still never seen you.” – Damaris [70:46]
• The etiquette and anxiety of bringing friends (or dates) to industry events and live shows.
• Embarrassing moments when guest list names aren't found and having to “stand on the side and start texting.”
  • “I'll go the fuck home pretending.” – Mall, on name not being on the list [76:24]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Damaris panties feel like a used dryer sheet.” – Mall [02:15]
• “The loudest I've ever heard the Garden in my entire life was at a J. Cole show…” – Damaris [09:48]
• “They both think they're better than everybody.” – 50 Cent, relayed by Damaris [13:12]
• “If you’re dead sober and dropping drugs without telling people, that's the definition of date rape.” – Damaris [39:24]
• “Live to fight another day.” – Damaris [51:02]
• “Quincy Jones produced Thriller, there was 75 people on each song.” – Damaris [57:17]
• “New York ain't never ran the radio in Texas… We always play our artists out here.” – Texas Listener [78:08]
• “We out or like, I'll meet you there?” – Damaris on traveling with Mall to shows [70:38]
• “I'll go the fuck home pretending [when not on the list].” – Mall [76:24]

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Essential Timestamps

• [01:06–05:02]: Dry January banter, viral Cole comments
• [10:15–12:36]: On J. Cole shows, rap bravado
• [13:03–21:01]: Banks vs. Fab debate & 50’s IG post
• [23:44–32:05]: Timeless music, graduation/prom song nostalgia
• [32:05–36:00]: High school stories: booze & prom
• [37:07–51:35]: Drug culture old & new, Bill Cosby, changing norms of consent
• [51:35–62:05]: Mass Appeal’s collab project & the business of music production
• [78:00–84:38]: Texas listener sets the record straight on radio, Damaris clarifies
• [64:37–77:58]: Upcoming concerts, guest list pains, event etiquette

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Tone & Style

Unfiltered, humorous, and conversational with moments of biting social and industry critique, peppered with self-awareness, inside jokes, and cultural references. The hosts mix earnestness-in-nostalgia and music obsession with a casual delivery, punctuated by friendly roasting.

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For Newcomers

This episode showcases why New Rory & Mal is a staple for those who appreciate both hip hop culture and the absurdities of everyday life, blending barbershop banter, serious social reflections, and music industry deep-cuts. Whether you’re in it for the laughs, the culture war debates, or the heartfelt calls for better behavior, episode 449 hits a little bit of everything.

Transcript

[Rory]

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[Damaris]

The volume.

[Mall]

No. All right, kids, do you like violets?

[Damaris]

No.

[Mall]

Actually, you like to stick nine inch nails to each one of your eyelids?

[Damaris]

No.

[Mall]

Oh, okay.

[Damaris]

Instead of eating spaghetti sandwiches. I was listening to that.

[Mall]

That's.

[Damaris]

That's what's going on at the time.

[Mall]

Old Anita, first of all, baby carbs.

[Damaris]

By the way, Pasta baby D came.

[Mall]

In, you know what I'm saying? Humming Anita got the thim slit catsuit on.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm caught up in the rapture of love. I just want to slow down.

[Mall]

Yo, yo, yo. All right, all right, yo. We are back. Sponsored by Boost Mobile Unlimited talk, text and data.

[Damaris]

Yo, the way she just turns into a whole new human being from the intro. She came in here. I've had no alcohol or dick. I can't take this anymore. Now all of a sudden she's in the rapture now she's in the love rapture.

[Mall]

Caught up in the rapture of love, baby. Y' all know that's right.

[Rory]

I meant figuratively.

[Mall]

Figuratively. Come on. Always? You never mean literally.

[Rory]

But no, it's been drama dry. It's been a very dry, very dry January.

[Mall]

How dry is it?

[Damaris]

Crispy, dehydrated. Damaris is so dry. How dry is she?

[Mall]

Damaris panties for like a used dryer sheet.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

You know, when that crumbled up.

[Damaris]

Or the one that was left in there for a few loads, like, yeah.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm that guy. I leave them in there for like three dries. Don't worry about it.

[Damaris]

That's hilarious. Ebro just commented on our. Our IG post said so. So Drake told mall yo, Cole won't speak to me anymore. It was kind of funny when you word it that way.

[Mall]

Ebro. Shut up about that. That's my new yo. Shut up, man. Nah, shout out to Ebo, though. Shout out to you.

[Damaris]

No, that's actually very.

[Mall]

Shout out to. Shout out to Pete.

[Damaris]

Yeah, we are back. Sponsored by Boost. Merch is still on sale. Everything is everything.

[Mall]

Patreon.com forward/new Rory Mall.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Mall]

For all things Patreon.

[Damaris]

Absolutely.

[Mall]

Catch us over there. Getting us off. Getting us off.

[Damaris]

Netflix is already trying to censor Mall. Clearly.

[Mall]

Yeah, man.

[Damaris]

As you can see.

[Mall]

Send me a very, very long form email last night.

[Damaris]

To whom? To whom it may concern.

[Mall]

To whom it may concern. Junior Mafia is the click. That's what the email said.

[Damaris]

Well, I mean, they sent us Sonos headphones, right? Right before that.

[Mall]

They did. They sent us some. Some very good headphones. Thank you, Netflix, for that. A nice. Welcome to the Netflix family.

[Rory]

That's what's up.

[Mall]

And I'm saying we over here shaking. They ain't even. Get your pair, Baby D. No, Netflix. You gotta send another pair. You gotta actually send two more. Send a pair for Peach. Yeah, send a pair for Baby D. Man, we need some. Two more Sonos. Sonosis.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I mean, we've never really gotten welcoming gifts. That was. I actually kind of appreciate it.

[Mall]

Yeah, that was dope. Shout out to Netflix.

[Rory]

The volume sends you 50 pounds of popcorn every year.

[Mall]

One thing the volume gonna do is make sure niggas got that popcorn, ain't they? But now we got popcorn to watch Netflix. See how that go. See, the volume knew what they was doing all along. They knew what they was doing. They was making sure we had enough popcorn and Netflix and chill. That's all.

[Damaris]

And every single time we do a, a, a, a partnership with a sponsorship, I can't even speak, they send us, like, a snapback hat that no one's ever going to wear. Yeah, like, that material could go to homeless people.

[Mall]

Ship those wherever they ship when the losing team in the finals lose ship those to the same country.

[Damaris]

Like Boost. I love you. I promise you, I'm not wearing a Boost fitted ever in my life. And I don't even think that's y' all like, like, model or your plan. Yeah, it's to get everyone.

[Mall]

Yeah, whoever at Boost, we love y', all, but listen, it's not a paper plane. Whatever the budget is for the hatch.

[Damaris]

Y' all could cut that.

[Mall]

Y' all can go ahead and cut that budget. Save that.

[Damaris]

Donate that to charity.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Save that. Save the hat money, man.

[Damaris]

Yeah, whoever. They send all the loser of the super bowl merch, too, because, you know, they make it all in real time. Just find out where they send that stuff and send all the hats there because they need it way more than us. But. How you feeling? You have the Internet in. In a frenzy once again.

[Mall]

Do I?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Peach said that when I walked in.

[Damaris]

Peach said, you shock the world.

[Mall]

Yeah, I don't. Listen. I don't pay Peach anymore. When I walk in, PE Is just. He's.

[Damaris]

No, it was pretty much like, do you believe in miracles? Like, it was. It was a USA Hockey game. The whole world stopped what they were doing.

[Rory]

But if you have any comments or any questions about any of our episodes. I know we don't have a comment section with Netflix. We lost it with YouTube. But you can go to our Twitter community.

[Damaris]

Yeah, Twitter community.

[Rory]

You also leave a voicemail.

[Damaris]

Also our discord. And, yeah, leave some voicemails for us, even hate.

[Rory]

Don't. Don't leave no hate.

[Damaris]

No, because, I mean, don't leave.

[Mall]

No.

[Damaris]

If you don't have the YouTube section to get your anger out on us anymore, I don't want to disrupt your daily routine. Just send voicemail instead. Get that hate out your heart.

[Mall]

Put that. Put that hate in your heart.

[Damaris]

I'm saying Cole could never.

[Mall]

He don't want it, you know?

[Damaris]

So I thought I was, like, actually going to get lined in the barbershop today. Speaking of entendres, my barber, who is also J. Cole's barber, was, like, awkwardly nice to me today. Willis isn't always that nice to me. He said I was losing weight. I was a little nervous having that barber right there with a straight razor this, like. This close to my jugular. No, sometimes I was gonna, like, hit you, like, yo, this is my appointment this week with my barber. Can you come with, like, you be.

[Mall]

Feeling good that he uses the same clippers on Cole that he uses on you?

[Damaris]

No.

[Rory]

I know you tell him not to wash in between.

[Mall]

Like, when you see a dread on the floor, you be thinking, that's cold.

[Rory]

I'm sorry.

[Damaris]

No, I would say, hey, you should probably sweep up. Sweep up before I sit down, please.

[Mall]

Yo, Rory. Rory saves Cole dread. He's like, let me take that. Let me take that. Let me go ahead and put that in. That ain't even Cole dread. He got some nigga from Brooklyn dread in his bag. Yo, that's not cold dread. Throw that shit away.

[Rory]

Oh, my God.

[Mall]

Cole don't cut his dread.

[Rory]

Take that shit to the studio with him for inspiration. Yo, you smell like a rabbit's foot.

[Mall]

He put Cole's dread on his keychain.

[Damaris]

You know how your grandmother used to, like, tape hair or, like, into a photo album?

[Mall]

You remember in school where you had to make clouds out of cotton? You had to, like, make different clouds? He put that on paper. Like, cold dress. Yo, on his fridge. He got cold.

[Rory]

Please.

[Damaris]

I'm not even gonna fight back because there's nothing I can say. Oh, is funny as that.

[Mall]

Crazy, man.

[Damaris]

No, but it has caused. Caused some. Some issues in. In my barbershop life. For real? No, not really.

[Mall]

Oh, what, man? What would cause issues, man? We just. We're showing.

[Damaris]

We love J. Cole here, but every time. Every time I walk in, like, yo, you just missed him. You want to call him back? No, I'm cool.

[Mall]

Yeah, No, I mean, call him back, man. I mean, it was just a conversation, but.

[Damaris]

Nah. I don't know if the Internet was going to Internet. I kind of knew that was gonna go viral, y'. All. Y' all was trying to clown me yesterday of like, yo, y' all should probably clip that because it's gonna get clipped at five o' clock in the morning. Damaris wanted to take the whole out that.

[Mall]

No, no, no, no, no. See, he's telling the wrong. All he do is lie the clip out right after we recorded.

[Damaris]

Yeah, because I knew it would get clipped by a thousand people at 5am which it did.

[Rory]

We were snow. We were still the first people to clip it.

[Damaris]

No, clip it? Yeah, like, in our computer to post it. Okay, Just because you clip it in the computer doesn't mean that the rest of the world. You got to post it on the Internet.

[Mall]

I don't. Y' all know, I don't pay attention to, like, that. I mean, I just. But it's okay. I think the message got out there, and, you know, we had a good conversation. And through it all, we still love Cole. We just, you know, are disappointed.

[Damaris]

Oh, God.

[Mall]

And we're a little heartbroken. That's all it is.

[Rory]

You on in 2026.

[Mall]

Y' all know I with Cole. Y' all know that the Internet may paint it like. I don't. But y' all in here, y' all know I with Cole, so that's all that matters.

[Damaris]

Are you going to go to the tour?

[Mall]

Whose tour?

[Damaris]

I'm sure there. There'll be a fall off tour. No.

[Rory]

Oh.

[Mall]

I mean, you know what's funny?

[Damaris]

And that's got to be the. The Jersey Swap, like, tour, like, the way LeBron's going to do his last hurrah. And every. After every regular season game is going to be a moment like it's going to be the falloff tour. You got to go. You have. You have to swap hoodies with. With Cole.

[Mall]

I've never been to a J. Cole show. I don't think really I've seen them at. I seen him perform at. What's the spot in Brooklyn that y' all did Palouse at one time, the outdoor spot.

[Damaris]

Oh, Brooklyn. Mariah.

[Mall]

Seen him.

[Damaris]

Yeah, we all went together.

[Mall]

Yeah, I seen him there and I think I saw him.

[Damaris]

That was their party.

[Mall]

Yeah, I think he came out at somebody's show before, but I'd never been to, like, a J. Cole show in an arena.

[Damaris]

I mean, you didn't believe me, but the loudest I've ever heard the Garden in my entire life was at a J. Cole show, Knicks playoffs. Any artist. The loudest I've ever heard the Garden was when J. Cole.

[Mall]

He never saw Jordan in the Garden.

[Damaris]

No, I did not.

[Mall]

He don't know that.

[Damaris]

On tv, I did.

[Mall]

Yeah, you don't know that energy when Mike came out that tunnel. You don't know. You're too young.

[Damaris]

It was booze. I hope so.

[Mall]

You thought it was booze? Shit. Not for Jordan, not for Air23. It wasn't no booze. Hell no.

[Damaris]

I was. I was thinking that at the Seahawks. Not Seahawks. Fucking Patriots. AFC game, there was more fans in Denver. They was chanting MVP the whole time. I was like, does Denver have a fan base anymore?

[Mall]

Yeah, they do.

[Damaris]

At a AFC Championship game, the opposing quarterback is getting MVP chance for the whole game.

[Mall]

Are you that good? You that good, man?

[Damaris]

Nah. If I'm the only one, you have to exit.

[Mall]

Nah, you get love.

[Damaris]

Get off my stoop. MVP at an AFC championship. What the fuck? What do you think the ratio will be in San Francisco? I mean, Seattle's right there.

[Mall]

It's going to be a lot of.

[Damaris]

That's going to be a rough one. Yeah, I think it's going to be ice and Seahawk fans just everywhere.

[Mall]

Yeah, definitely ice Seahawks.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I don't know.

[Damaris]

I do think the New England Patriot fans would be. Would be helping. Helping ice out.

[Mall]

And not only that, but Patriots fans are going to travel to California.

[Damaris]

Yeah, no, absolutely. It's a Super Bowl. But anyways, how's your week been? What have you been up to?

[Mall]

It's good, man.

[Damaris]

Give us some updates.

[Mall]

Stress free.

[Damaris]

Me and Damaris are very, you know, in tune to your personal life. Like, is There anything going on.

[Mall]

In my personal life that's worth talking about? No, not really.

[Rory]

Is your January dry, too?

[Mall]

Oh, yeah. I'm not. I don't. I'm not smoking anymore.

[Damaris]

No. Intercourse.

[Mall]

Oh, Intercourse. Desert. Desert. I know.

[Rory]

What a. Lying to me.

[Mall]

Nah, I'm dead serious. I had no sex.

[Rory]

Like that girl.

[Damaris]

Like that girl that ran through church.

[Rory]

I had no sex.

[Mall]

I didn't see that.

[Rory]

You never. Oh, man, it's classic me.

[Mall]

But anyway, I never saw that one.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So now we see dry, dry January over here.

[Mall]

I don't know what that got going, but so. But not having sex for a month is not. It's not crazy, though. That's, like, very normal to not have sex.

[Rory]

For sure.

[Mall]

Yeah. Now, if you have live in, like, a boyfriend or girlfriend and you ain't got no. Then y' all need to talk about something. Like, we ain't had sex in a month. Like. And I mean, I have a boyfriend or girlfriend. Like, it's. Y' all might want to have a conversation.

[Damaris]

It's called a marriage.

[Mall]

Nah, marriage people. Marriage people be having sex.

[Damaris]

No, I know.

[Mall]

Not like, you know, cheating couples do, but you.

[Damaris]

Nobody more than cheating couples, each other and others.

[Mall]

Yeah, man. Because, you know, when you cheat and you feel that, you know, regret, you got to go home and really put it on your girlfriend.

[Damaris]

Not even shower, Right?

[Mall]

Yeah. Well. No, no, no. Please wash that off. Yeah, don't do that. Please don't do that.

[Damaris]

I saw on the way here, we had a Banks and Fab conversation on Bag Fuel, where shout out to those guys. And we were not the first people to have this Banks and Fab conversation. It's kind of become a. A trendy thing this year, I believe. Was it Mook?

[Mall]

Mooc and Lux?

[Damaris]

Yeah. I think Mook and Lux started this debate with Banks and Fab, and it definitely caught a lot of attention because everyone's debating it. Uncle Murder and Tony Yayo, our label mate, shout out to them were on the Breakfast Club.

[Mall]

Shout out to Murder.

[Damaris]

Shout out to Yayo this morning. And the Breakfast Club had brought up the Fab versus Banks debate, which I was intrigued with because I consider Envy to be Desert Storm. Even if he's not, that's still his lineage. And then obviously, Yayo is G Unit and Banks, his brother. Yayo did what we knew Yayo would do. One of the most loyal people ever. He said he didn't care. I choose Banks. Even when they brought up, like, a fair point, I don't care. I choose Banks. Yeah.

[Mall]

See how that Works.

[Damaris]

And I love yo, like, he'll admit out the gate like, nice, that's Banks. That's my brother. I'm always going to pick that. But then just bring a point like, all right, well, Banks is about to tour. Fab, not torn. It's like, well, Fab couture. That's a moot point in that. Just because Banks is going out. But after that, 50 Cent posted this maybe about an hour ago. Since we recording this, Fab versus Banks, they both write better when it's about girls. They both think they are better than everybody. They both never put in no work. They themselves, they both are not likely to sell at this point either in their career. It's a tie, ladies and gentlemen. They are the same. That's some hate, man.

[Rory]

That's some hating.

[Mall]

What 50 mean by they, they? I was trying to think they are better than that. Isn't every rapper supposed to think they're better than everybody? That's just rap shit. That's like, law is a rap.

[Rory]

Well, you're supposed to say that you think that you better. But I feel like rappers know who they not better than.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah. When you go home at night, you know when a rapper whooped your ass, like, you know, when you lay down, like, dang, he got even.

[Rory]

Not even even. Not even. If you engage in battle, like, you go home and you know that feature.

[Mall]

Like, even when you do a song together, you like, yeah, I ain't going to lie. That nigga got me like, you know. But you ain't going to say that publicly. No, a rapper going to say that.

[Damaris]

I, I that part of it. I do believe 50 there. I, I also think that Fab and Banks quietly to themselves and humbly think they are better than everybody that that raps.

[Rory]

I don't think there's no humility in it.

[Mall]

And I, I don't think there's.

[Damaris]

Banks don't flaunt that unless he's rapping. And, and even Fab, for what it's worth, who is more in the public eye? I. You've been around Fab. I've been around Fab and had conversations about other rappers and shit off mic. Fab, rightfully so, thinks he's better than everybody else.

[Mall]

Yeah, but that's what you're supposed to.

[Damaris]

No, yeah, there's nothing wrong with that. I'm not putting out any news. Somebody should know.

[Mall]

In any type of competitive field, you're supposed to feel like you're the best.

[Damaris]

But there are rappers to Damaris's point that, like, no, they're not. And. And don't think that they could say that in a conversation like, nah, washy. But they know. They know better.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Every rapper knows, like, I can't fuck with him, but I ain't gonna say that.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

No.

[Mall]

And I ain't about to go in the booth and do a song with him and feel like I ain't about to. Like, I'm going in there to bust his ass.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

So, I mean, I get that, but now I don't know what he. What do you mean by. They both never put in no work themselves?

[Damaris]

So I was trying to figure out in the way he worded it what he meant there. I don't think he meant, like, they never put in no work in the street or whatever themselves. I think he was. Because 50's last book, book 50 Laws of Power, he has a chapter where he mentions his relationship with Banks, and he's like, yo, this guy has lazy Lloyd tattooed on him. Banks never put in the work to match his talent. He thought he could coast because he was so talented.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Damaris]

He's been on record for a while saying those things.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Now the Fab side, I. I feel like Fab put in a lot of work into himself and his brand.

[Mall]

Fab is a solo artist. He was never in a group, like, you know, at 50 says that about Banks because the whole G Unit and it feels like, you know, I understand. Yeah.

[Damaris]

But Fab is their relationship. Fab. I didn't. I was like. I don't think there's ever been a point that I felt like Fab didn't want it. Like, Banks some. Sometimes. There was a point where I was like, he probably just doesn't like the. He doesn't like the limelight. He doesn't like to be around people. Like, I'm cool, bro. I'm gonna do my verses, and when it's time to make some money, I'll come outside. But if not, I'm chilling. Like, I don't want to do all this. But Fab, I mean, outside of recently, has been super consistent. He's done, like, brand shit. He's. I don't know. Fab has always been.

[Mall]

I'm always on the side. I do always feel like, and I think I've expressed this before, that I feel like Fab is, like, very laid back, very cool. Thanks to him. Yeah. He don't really have a lot of ego when it comes to trying to prove that he's better than everybody. Like, he doesn't. You know what I mean? Like, Fab is not just dropping music all the time. He's not doing a bunch of features. He's not. And we want that, like, we want the soul tape shit back. We want Summertime Shootout back. We want a new Fab project. I don't know why. I think it was probably some legal things. Why Fab kind of didn't want to put out new music and shit like that. But as far as, like, you know, not putting in no work, I mean, I think Fab, like I said, he's since the late 90s and he's still relevant today.

[Damaris]

Like, and even on the bank side, I guess I can understand 50's perspective there because, you know, he's known Banks since Banks was like, literally a child and has watched the entire thing. So of course his perspective would be more of a fact than us on the outside looking in. But I do feel in the last, I don't know, six, seven years, Banks has been super consistent. Now, as impactful from eyes like 50 Cent, I can see why he would say something like that. But to a consumer and fan of Banks, I think he's been super consistent in putting in a lot of work.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

To help his. His brand in that regard. And what Yayo said he's about to go overseas on tour, which. That's their bread and butter. Like. Oh, yeah, you go like when G Units, Wuang Akon, like those. Any hip hop, they'll never be cop over because they have Europe.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Like, it'll. They'll always, always show up for them. I get it. It's just. It's just sad to see the Fab shit. I don't really care. I know him and 50 had something recent of a little back and forth, but it's. It's heartbreaking as a lifelong G Unit fan to. To see this 50 and Banks family feud still going on. And I mean, 50s put out a record with Rest in Peace, PNB Rock. I'm going crazy that I love where he addresses the whole Banks thing. I don't know. I just. I just hate to see this type of shit because Banks just kind of keeps to himself. Like, if Banks was outside the way Yayo was and was talking as much as Yayo, but in a negative way towards 50, I could totally see that. But bro, Banks be minding his business. Like, it's sad to see that shit. I can see 50 feeling away that being his little brother. Like, yo, I don't think you reach your potential. I wish you would have done this. I did do a lot for You. I think Banks would say the same thing that 50 did so much for him. But, like, we got to do this, man. Unless Banks are saying a bunch of behind the scenes that I don't know about.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's different again.

[Damaris]

But we also know 50 will just say something with or without.

[Mall]

We just speculating off of a comment that 50 made. But, I mean, you know, I'm still always on the side. I'm. I'm waiting for new Fab music. Like, I. I'm waiting for that. I've been vocal about that. I've spoken to Fab about that. Like, yo, like, what's. What we doing, man?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Cause I always am down for a new Fab project.

[Damaris]

When. When was the last time you had that conversation with Fab?

[Mall]

When we were in Atlanta, the last time we had. We had our show out there. I saw him at Copper Cove one night.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Mall]

I went there and.

[Damaris]

Cause that was, what, 20, 24 last time we were in 25. No, 24.

[Mall]

24.

[Damaris]

Yeah. God damn.

[Mall]

Yeah. And we had a conversation, and, you know, he was. He just started laughing like, he's like, yeah, now I know I'll be hearing it. I'm like, what's up, man? Who are you doing, bro? Like, we need that music. But, you know, at his, you know, I guess whenever he's ready. But I do think, you know, I never asked him personal business about his, you know, his career, but I do think it is probably some legal contracts and things that people that's probably still eating off of his music that he's probably trying to, you know, move around, get away from. And like, that. That is the reason why he's not. His output is not.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Because again, Fab's talent level, he still raps better than 90% of the rappers that we have. He makes better songs than 90% of y'. All. And again, I'm. I'm always down to hear some new Fab music.

[Damaris]

I mean, I do know for a fact I recently, you know, within the last month, been in sessions and. And Fab is working. I don't know if he's going to put any music out, but it's great. Like, it. Fab is in shape. While I was listening to it, I was like, I don't understand why you just don't hit upload.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Like, I just.

[Mall]

Right there. The button's right there actually, like, this. Go out to the world.

[Damaris]

I'm not here to, like, I'm not revealing. I have no idea what Fab wants to do is doing All I know is everything I've heard that is, like, the. The newest Fab music sounds incredible. Like, I could hear and be like, oh, it's not up to par. Maybe he's trying to get back in shape, and that's why it's. It's great. Like, don't upload this now. I don't.

[Mall]

That's what I'm saying. It has to be some legal. Something on the legal side.

[Damaris]

I could see that Fab has been in some contracts.

[Mall]

Yeah, I think it's some business that's in the way of that.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I can definitely see that. Yo, it's. It's sad for me to say, speaking of New York hip hop, that it's only been like, a week or two, but in this day and age, that's saying a lot that you're still listening to an album. I'm still listening to this ASAP Rocky album every day. Like, it's still really good to me.

[Rory]

It's good driving music and good shower.

[Damaris]

Music in the cars. It's my. My favorite driving album right now.

[Mall]

The music is like, we spoke about this. This might be his best album.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I'm. I'm not mad at that take whatsoever. It's so crazy that now that's how we talk. It's been two weeks. How's it aging? Yeah, like, nah, I still fuck with it.

[Mall]

You fall out the rotation quick.

[Damaris]

Oh, it sounds crazy to say, but yeah.

[Mall]

Quick you got. The average lifespan of an album is probably six days.

[Damaris]

I mean, even six.

[Mall]

You got six days to prove that this is some fire, or we will never listen to this again.

[Damaris]

Even with shit I like. And this is not a slight to Travis. Maybe it's more of a slight to me as a consumer. I came in here when Travis put out his last project and was like, yo, shit is fire. After a week passed, I was like, I'm cool.

[Mall]

It's crazy how it works.

[Damaris]

Maybe that's a me thing. I don't know. I'm sure Travis's fan base loves it. And still listening. I'm not saying no one but me. I'm like, damn. I came in here and said, I absolutely loved it. I'm kind of cool. I don't even know which song to run back to.

[Mall]

It's just too much. We have access to too much fucking music.

[Rory]

I agree.

[Mall]

Because we listen to old school. Like, we just singing Anita Baker. We still listening to Anita. Like, so if we still listening to Anita, how the fuck we got time to listen to the new R and B? Girl, that dropped. Like, we still listening to Anita. We still listening to Mint Condition. Like, we still on that music.

[Damaris]

What are our timeless records from our generation? Maybe we put a year on it. And damn, I wish this was one of those we talked about before so we could come more prepared. But I'm cool having a conversation in real time from 2000 on timeless. Yeah. In the last 20. In the last 25 years. Just in general, I'm talking about timeless.

[Rory]

Like, narrow it down still.

[Damaris]

All right. R B, pop, Love on Top.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Is a timeless. I think Amara will sing Love on Top, but then again, I don't. I don't know. The age difference between you and when that Anita Baker record came out is insane.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Do you think will have any of.

[Rory]

Those records always on time? Ashanti, Ja Rule?

[Damaris]

Yeah. I mean, like, you name me, you.

[Mall]

Name a song, them. The songs that they play on cruise ships. Like, that's like.

[Rory]

But that's what keeps music time.

[Mall]

No, for sure, for sure. When it crosses all genre. Like, you know, like nationalities and. And cultures and things like that, they all love it.

[Rory]

Like, because your kid will hear it again. Because, like, I feel like even with timeless, like, what I play in my house, another parent might not play in their house. So it needs to be something that you're gonna hear. Not just in my house. You're gonna hear outside. Like, you're gonna want to figure out who Michael Jackson is, because everybody's talking about Michael Jackson.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I mean, I feel like I kind of to a mo saying with the cruise ship stuff. I feel like songs like, hey, y' all have just got into that threshold where there'll be sung forever just because they entered there. But, like, when Adorn came out, I was like, oh, look, our generation got one. Like, this is going to be played at weddings for the rest of eternity. And while it is a timeless record, in my opinion, I don't know that to be true anymore. With the consumer change in music, I don't know if Adorn is really. I don't know if Amara is going to want to dance to Adorn at her wedding.

[Mall]

Right.

[Damaris]

Which is crazy to say, because to me, that's a. It checks every box in my head musically. Is a Thomas record.

[Mall]

Better question, what song did y' all.

[Rory]

Graduate to Graduate or pull up the prom, too? Because I feel like that's more.

[Mall]

Nah. Like. Like, what was your graduation song? What song?

[Rory]

I don't remember. I remember my fifth grade graduation. We were supposed to dance. Well, we. We danced to. I think it was. Which R. Kelly song. Now I Believe I Could Fly. The other one, but it was.

[Mall]

There's only two graduation songs. What? Well, maybe three. Maybe I Believe I Could Fly.

[Damaris]

Yep.

[Mall]

Whitney Houston. The Children are future.

[Damaris]

Did you and your brother have this conversation?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Because your brother text me and we have the same conversation.

[Mall]

And Tevin Campbell. I think Tevin Campbell got one tomorrow.

[Rory]

I'm sorry.

[Damaris]

Is there a Tevin Campbell version of that scary movie?

[Mall]

There is no.

[Damaris]

Because I want to hear it version of that. Did Quincy touch that one, too?

[Mall]

I feel like. I feel like Campbell got one. What's the T camp?

[Damaris]

Is it not tomorrow?

[Mall]

It might be tomorrow.

[Damaris]

That's what I would imagine.

[Mall]

Yeah. It might be tomorrow.

[Rory]

And that's vitamin C. What? What? Josh was singing Vitam. Vitamin C. You graduated to vitamin C as we.

[Mall]

You graduated to vitamin C PE.

[Rory]

We remember all the good.

[Damaris]

Did bigs.

[Mall]

DM me this or I definitely walk. We definitely have a Whitney Houston at my.

[Damaris]

Yeah, tomorrow.

[Mall]

Tomorrow. T camp. Tomorrow. R. Kelly. That piece of I Believe I Could Fly.

[Damaris]

And my. My eighth grade, it was like eighth grade graduation. Not like a. It's not high school. Was definitely I Believe I Can Fly. I don't even remember what played at my high school.

[Rory]

Oh, I'm sorry. Fifth grade. It was the world's greatest. We did a dance to the world's greatest at our graduation, but I didn't get to do it because I got, like. I got in trouble, so I had to sit in the crowd.

[Damaris]

What? Like. Like one of, like, the church spiritual dance types of choreography.

[Rory]

Kind of like that, but not super spiritual because it was school. But yes, it was similar to that.

[Damaris]

Josh pulled up Green Day. Good riddance. Yeah, they played that at the end of Seinfeld, so I feel like that believe that that became a tribute song. Time of your life.

[Rory]

Yeah, we didn't. I don't know. My high school didn't have a graduation song.

[Mall]

I think you had to have a graduation. I didn't remember what was the. What was playing when y' all was.

[Rory]

Saying, I don't remember.

[Damaris]

What's the graduation like, actual sleep score.

[Rory]

Like when we were all sitting there waiting for, like, the. The speeches and I was that ass.

[Mall]

Like, no, not the speeches. But don't y' all walk out to a song. No, y' all don't walk into the auditory. Yeah, it was just silence, like.

[Rory]

Yeah, I think silence.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's wicked. That's a wicked graduation, right?

[Damaris]

This. Oh.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah. Well, yeah, that.

[Damaris]

Yeah, like this.

[Mall]

Of course that.

[Damaris]

But no, I'm Saying I. I think it was that for the walk in and the walk out.

[Rory]

Yeah, I agree. I don't think I would have remembered if it was like, a song with, like, lyrics.

[Damaris]

I definitely remember I Believe I Can Fly for eighth grade.

[Mall]

Yeah, I Believe I Could Fly was definitely one.

[Damaris]

But no, I think it was. I think it was just this.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's like.

[Damaris]

And I feel like the school, like, band played it. Like they were in their cap and gowns and sat down and went back up and did the whole okay thing. Yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

Now we just press play on the Whitney.

[Rory]

What did y' all pull up the prom in?

[Mall]

We didn't have a problem. They took our prom away from us.

[Rory]

Oh, damn.

[Mall]

Homie stole the.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah, I remember that. That's like. That's up though. That is to do that to everybody for prom. Like, I can see yo. No homecoming dance or some, but like, everybody's.

[Mall]

All the final grades and everything was in the computer.

[Damaris]

I know, but like.

[Mall]

And because I guess he failed. He was like that. Like, he took the whole computer. He took the whole joy.

[Damaris]

Maybe we should put together an adult prom for mole.

[Rory]

Aww.

[Damaris]

We could do it here and, like, dress the whole thing.

[Rory]

You want a sneaker ball?

[Mall]

No, thank you.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

It's okay.

[Rory]

What if I had. What if I had one big room full of bad bitches? You still won't want to come now.

[Mall]

Maybe we could talk about that.

[Rory]

Exactly.

[Mall]

We might be able to. We might be able to have a conversation about that. That's the type of graduation I want. And what's under that gown, girl.

[Damaris]

And I could get a. I guess Cypher sounds the DJ that was king Prom DJ in New York. I could get safe. I get siphon to do it. We could do the after prom party at. At Webster Hall.

[Mall]

That's such a. That's such an after prom.

[Damaris]

Brooklyn Queens after prom was at Western Hall.

[Mall]

Such an after prom together. Webster hall, without a doubt.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it was the only place that like, allowed 18 plus 2 on Thursdays. You want to talk about Lloyd Banks? He was. He was big Mech at the 18 +Webster Hall. Thursday nights him and Joel Santana were.

[Mall]

Going crazy Fab and French Ball drop might be a gradu Graduation song for the Y N's now.

[Rory]

Really?

[Mall]

I'm walking out to that for the Y N. Yeah, I can see them.

[Damaris]

Are they graduating?

[Mall]

No. Some yans graduate. Yeah, some wines graduating. You be seeing them with the shiesties on at the graduation.

[Rory]

So, Rory, you didn't have a. You didn't Have a song that you pulled up to prom in, like, blasting out. Because I remember it was in Syracuse. It was our thing. You have to roll all the windows down or have the drop top.

[Mall]

All the small things. Truth tells truth so things say it ain't so. I will not go Turn the lights off Carry me home Keep your head still.

[Damaris]

What's the wrestler?

[Mall]

I don't know. I don't know. That's what you pulled.

[Damaris]

What's my age again? What's my age again?

[Mall]

That's what Rory pulled up to.

[Damaris]

His. First of all, let's not do that. That Blink 182 album is a classic. That's a timeless. I love Blink 182, but no Blink 182. That song was probably 15 years old by the time I got to prom. I don't know. It was probably, like, some little scrappy or something. It was 2008. My sen. High school was the south, though. Like, every hit record was from the South. Like, Fat Joe came in and. And at least, like, got us there with make it Rain.

[Mall]

But I thought she was about to say you graduated to lean back.

[Rory]

Even.

[Damaris]

Even Roy Jones was forced.

[Mall]

You got left back.

[Rory]

You got left back. It's funny.

[Mall]

Left back.

[Rory]

I'm crying.

[Damaris]

Here's the thing. I probably should have been. I probably be smarter now if they weren't just, like, just go ahead.

[Mall]

Just let him go. Let him go.

[Damaris]

Go ahead.

[Mall]

Let him.

[Damaris]

Didn't even say go ahead.

[Mall]

Yeah, we tired of looking at your face.

[Damaris]

But no, I don't have. For junior or senior. I don't remember. I don't even know if the limo we took, like, allowed us to play music.

[Rory]

I put up the motivation. Kelly Rowland. Not cheesy Kelly Rowland.

[Mall]

I thought you said thug motivation. I like that.

[Damaris]

Would make more sense to vote to prom than Kelly Rowland motivation.

[Rory]

And I was on the back of, like, the drop top. The Camaro.

[Mall]

Camaro. What are you, army wife?

[Damaris]

That's how a widow goes to a funeral.

[Mall]

What the was that about?

[Rory]

I'm crying.

[Mall]

Yo, Camaro. You know they give you a Camaro as soon as you sign up for the bread.

[Rory]

I was on the back of it.

[Mall]

That's hilarious.

[Rory]

The motivation.

[Damaris]

My junior prom was all right. My senior problem had a lot of fun at. We snuck a lot of bottles in that. That was actually a really good time.

[Rory]

I. I was never. I never used to, like, sneak alcohol in school, like, functions. I never did that unless it was, like, a football game. I was drinking Paul Masan at a football game. But other Than that. Not Paul, Masan E and J. Enj.

[Mall]

That ease is Jesus, but He's believers.

[Rory]

Enj in a 16 year old system is just like. It's just destroying me. That's why I probably got my ovary fucked up now.

[Mall]

That might be. Hey, you might.

[Damaris]

I definitely was drinking ENJ at 14 years old. For sure.

[Mall]

Yeah, y' all are crazy. Well, I ain't no better. I have that.99 bananas. I can't even smell that.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, no, yeah, that's how I feel about Bacardi.

[Mall]

99 bananas. The worst ever.

[Damaris]

That was like a special occasion for.

[Mall]

Us at that age. 99 bananas.

[Damaris]

It was to a 15 year old. That was expensive.

[Mall]

That is. Oh, my God, I threw up so crazy. I can't. That should make me nauseous.

[Damaris]

Listen, man, we was mixing like Boone's Farm and Everclear.

[Rory]

Everclear being the base of Jungle Juice. Like when my kid grows up and asks me, hey, mom, what's Jungle Juice? Or what's me like telling them, whatever, explaining Everclear and Devil Spring.

[Damaris]

Like, hey, do you see what daddy puts in his car to make it work? That's pretty much what we were drinking.

[Mall]

Yeah, on the rocks.

[Rory]

No, straight Matt with mad floating fruit in it.

[Damaris]

Cold. Like that was. That was premium gas chilled.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Really, really all it was. But yeah, that. That was awful. Like really bad. And then Wild Irish Rose in Mad Dog 2020. Oh, you was real.

[Rory]

You was real. Hoodie.

[Mall]

Mad Dog. Mad Dog.

[Damaris]

And then I can see they had every single flavor you could think of. I can see the plastic before they.

[Rory]

Took the cocaine out was crazy.

[Damaris]

That. That was my freshman going into sophomore college. Summer was the Four Loko when I was. I wasn't in high school for four Loco.

[Mall]

Never did a four Loco.

[Rory]

You never had a four Loco without a crack. I mean, with the crack in it. Oh, my God. You ever had a Celsius? That's like missing. Oh, my God. It's. It's hard to explain. I can't even. That was battery acid. Fruity battery acid with caffeine in it.

[Damaris]

But like an illegal amount. Like the way I see like White Claw has the White Claw surge or whatever. And my God, sister gave me one and I was like, oh, yeah, this is. This is garbage. This is cut down. This is garbage.

[Mall]

What's the other one? Cut water.

[Rory]

Oh, I love me a Cuddy.

[Mall]

A cutty. That's what they call it.

[Rory]

A. I love me a cut water. Cut water is. Is supposed to be liquor cut with water because it's like. It's not like a malt liquor. It's like actual, like tequila or vodka or whatever.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

And then cut with whatever flavor or something. It's supposed to be like a mixed drink in a can, but with real.

[Mall]

Like a spritzer kind of.

[Rory]

But it doesn't always spritz. Like, sometimes it's just like a, a. A cocktail.

[Damaris]

It's what West Indians do with blue label. Pour it straight and then just. Just a dash of water just to.

[Mall]

A little bit of that.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Damaris]

Oregano, a little baking soda. That's all it is.

[Rory]

Toe up. See you drew cut water. Be toe up.

[Damaris]

Mall. I see that Damaris is over there on a phone that is not the all new iPhone Pro 17 designed to be the most powerful iPhone ever.

[Mall]

What is that? Is that a flip phone?

[Damaris]

Yeah. Are you concerned about traffic or someone trying to transfer all your data?

[Mall]

You got no snowstorm updates on that phone.

[Damaris]

Well, good news, Damaris. I know you're sitting over there. If you go to Boost mobile, they will send an expert to your home and deliver your brand new iPhone 17 Pro. So you don't have to have that sour look that you have on your face right now while you're scrolling through what it was that an iPhone 12. Boost Mobile would never.

[Mall]

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[Mall]

You ever had Quaalude and Coca Cola? I wish that was the drink of Choice in the 80s.

[Damaris]

Wait, to his lawyer, he said under oath, sir.

[Mall]

No, Bill Cosby. Was that his lawyer saying, like, quaaludes was a party drug, which it was.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

They had billboards of it, you know, in the. In the 80s and the 70s, and they did Quaalude and a Coke.

[Damaris]

Well, it was for, like, pregnant women and shit, right? Not pregnant women, the billboards. It wasn't.

[Rory]

It wasn't for pregnant women. It was for women, but not pregnant women.

[Damaris]

All right. I don't know why I thought whatever the fuck it was for, I thought it was for, like, to Help pregnant women sleep or some shit.

[Mall]

Well, Bill Cosby, under oath, admitted to refilling a recreational prescription for Quaaludes as.

[Damaris]

Josh, Josh, just buy the Nike sneakers. It's the third time he pulled them up.

[Mall]

Prescription for Quaaludes he got from a gynecologist at a poker game seven times with the intention of giving the pills to women in hopes of having sex with them. And he says he never downed a single pill himself.

[Damaris]

I believe that would fall under the. The exact definition of date rape.

[Mall]

Yeah. The doc says that Dr. Amar is a disgraced gynecologist who was Cosby's friend. And the poker game with Cosby got the Quaalu prescription, was hosted at Cosby's Los Angeles house prior to 1972, which is significant. So. Yeah, man, I don't know. This is not looking good for Mr. Bill Cosby.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I mean, he got off just because of paperwork, so I don't know if they're going to retry him because of this entire thing, but. Yeah, and this. This may have been under oath with the paperwork that got him dismissed. This might not even be him new information. But, I mean, it. It's awful. But also, now you have to look at everyone else that hasn't said this under oath that we know for a fact was probably doing the exact same thing. Like, we look at Hugh Hefner as an icon, right?

[Mall]

Yeah. Some will say he is an icon.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Okay.

[Mall]

I know where you going. I know where you're going.

[Damaris]

I'm not dismissing anything.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Bill did.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

I think he should be locked up. And I think the paperwork is bullshit and just proves our judicial system works when it wants to off technicalities and doesn't when it doesn't. But, yeah, this was a thing. It was normal.

[Mall]

No, it's even.

[Damaris]

It's even crazier that Bill was dead sober for it.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Like, sometimes if two people are taking drugs and everything, it gets foggy and no one knows what they're doing, and the guy ends up getting a charge. This. And that's like, bro, if everyone was all in the wrong mind, who knew what was going on? If you dead sober and dropping drugs without telling people, that's the definition of date rape. Now, I like two consenting adults taking drugs, blacking out, and not knowing what happened the next morning.

[Mall]

Now, I do listen, and you know how we are when it comes to these types of situations where anybody is sexually assaulted, anything like that. But if you're in a party atmosphere in the 70s, 80s, 90s, whenever like, there is a thing where you may party, somebody gets drunk, you may be intoxicated yourself. You have sex, you have sex. It feels consensual. You're not ripping anybody's clothes off, you're not fighting with nobody, trying to take sex. And then years later, somebody says, oh, like, I don't remember what happened that night. I just know that I felt like I was. I had sex and I didn't remember consenting to it. So there are things where it's like, damn. Because we've all been to parties, we've all been on vacations, People get drunk, people get high, whatever they doing, having fun. And you look over and be like, yo, where y' all dipped off to? And you see two drunk people coming from wherever they coming from, then dipped off from the party, and they may have did something. And it's like, okay. But you don't ever feel like that was something that she wasn't consenting or he wasn't consenting to. Cause I've been around that and I've seen. Dude, I'm like, yo, and I tell you all the time, I never was into having sex with women that was too intoxicated. That I just. That was never into that. Like, I actually don't even like when women get drunk around me. Like, that shit is. You start feeling like you babysitting at that point. So I don't even like that. But I've been in parties where everybody's fucked up, people are drunk, and like I said, people dip off, go somewhere in the house or go somewhere or wherever. You don't know what's happening. But it never, in that moment, you don't ever even think, like, he may have did something non consensual with this girl. Cause at that point, you would check him like, yo, what the. Like you would see something, or you think you would see something. Ain't something doesn't feel right. I don't know if this is, you know, Bill Cosby, who's been a star for years. He admits there was party and the Quaaludes was a party drug. We know that people was popping it just like people pop Molly, just like people pop E. It's just different generations do different drugs.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but the difference with the Cosby stuff, based off the testimony of countless people, reputable people that were famous and didn't have any reason to lie. Similar to, like, the Cassie thing, which we found out clearly was true. He was dropping that in drinks without them knowing. Now, if two people take Quaaludes and It gets busy. And then the next morning she's like, I didn't want to do that. Now we have a conversation. But if you're dropping Quaaludes, Molly, anything in somebody's drink without them knowing, this is a clear cut case to me.

[Mall]

No, I like it. Listen, you're right by the law. You're absolutely right by anything. But I'm also from a time when we was outside and when Rick Ross said, put Molly on her champagne, she wouldn't even know it.

[Damaris]

Most insane.

[Mall]

Every girl at the pool party yelled that part. Ain't nobody like, yo, that's crazy.

[Damaris]

Like, we all said that was crazy.

[Mall]

The DJ would cut that part off and everybody start yelling that part.

[Damaris]

Nah, I feel like that verse got cut within a week.

[Mall]

No, hell, Rory, don't do that. You're crazy.

[Rory]

What do you mean that verse got cut? It's still on the song. If I play the song right now, you hear that?

[Damaris]

Is it.

[Mall]

We not doing it.

[Rory]

Like, what?

[Damaris]

No, no, no, we not doing that. Trying to remember when that whole.

[Mall]

That shit didn't get.

[Damaris]

That was the remix.

[Mall]

It wasn't even the real Ross didn't get heat for that for years.

[Damaris]

Okay, so maybe that's what I'm remembering that years later, everyone was like, Ross.

[Mall]

Got heat for that years later.

[Damaris]

Yeah, okay, sorry.

[Mall]

When that record came out, I didn't.

[Damaris]

Like, keep that in my brain for.

[Mall]

I remember every pool party when that came on, every cookout, everybody was yelling that part. That was like the.

[Rory]

That was like the second line being.

[Damaris]

Worse is second bar is I took.

[Rory]

Her home and I enjoyed that. She ain't even know it.

[Damaris]

That that still matters.

[Mall]

When year that came out, was that 2012? 11.

[Damaris]

I was gonna say 11.

[Mall]

Let me tell you something, but I could be wrong.

[Damaris]

Every 2013. 13.

[Mall]

Every time that part played, you felt like that was the hook. Matter of fact, some DJs took that part and would go into a whole nother record with a different beat, but still playing it. She ain't even know it. Like, that was the.

[Damaris]

I mean, she didn't even know it directly. But that was the remix, right? Ross wasn't on. No, that was.

[Rory]

He was a feature. It wasn't a remix. He was just on the feature.

[Damaris]

Okay. I don't know why I thought that was the remix and he featured on that, but I mean, yeah, that record went crazy. I. Listen, I. I was never at a party that the. The music went out and everyone said, I took it home. Enjoyed. I was. I never saw that. She didn't even know. I know that played. But that part being a moment I personally was never around. When everyone was like, dropped Amali in a drink. She didn't even know it. I took her home, had my way with her. She didn't even know it. I don't ever remember rapping along to that.

[Mall]

I think I got an archived video on my Instagram of that shit. I'm gonna find it. I'm telling you.

[Damaris]

It's a wild bar.

[Mall]

Of course it was wild.

[Rory]

When I. When I first heard it, I didn't. I feel like sometimes, especially back then, like, we just weren't thinking. Sometimes when you listen to the first.

[Damaris]

Part in that day that. That time dropped of Molly and a drink, she didn't even know it. Awful. But in that time, I can see us skipping over that. That second one. Even in that time, I just don't feel like everyone would be like, yeah, I fuck with that. That's crazy.

[Mall]

Listen, it's a different world we're in 13 years later, and I understand that. It's a different world we're in 13 years ago. I'm telling you, nobody really looked at that and felt no type of way. Because maybe people understood. It's just a bar. It's just music. People was like, we don't really think that that's real. But when that song came on, that was the song of the summer.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And ain't nobody be like, yo, but don't play that part. N couldn't wait lean into that part. And I'm just saying, again, I was there. I'm just telling y'. All, from a moment when I was.

[Rory]

Yeah, that shit was crazy. I'm happy Hindsight is 20 20. Cause that shit was fucking insane.

[Mall]

Yeah, it is. But so was Miguel's. How many Dr. We had Miguel here, we asked him, like, yo, you gonna perform that? He was like, yes, I'm performing that record.

[Damaris]

Little different than that Ross line.

[Mall]

But of course, it's a little different. But it's still like, what you mean? How many drinks would it take for you to leave with me? Like, what? You People could still frown they nose at that part, is all I'm saying. And that's the hook. That ain't the hook.

[Damaris]

Is it Alicia Keys on that too?

[Mall]

That's the hook. So that's what I'm saying. It was a different time. We understand now things are different. It's a little more sensitive. You gotta be more careful with your words now.

[Damaris]

That's a good sensitivity to me is stuff.

[Mall]

Oh, no. For sure. But I'm just saying.

[Damaris]

Happy for that sense.

[Mall]

So now we talking about 13 years ago. Bill and Court talking about 54 years ago, 72, where they was doing this shit. And he's one of the biggest actors.

[Damaris]

They were still debating why they let women vote at that time.

[Mall]

This is what I'm saying.

[Rory]

Now, granted, it was. It was wrong, and I think everybody knew it was wrong.

[Mall]

It's always wrong.

[Rory]

It was. Everybody was doing it, so. Or a lot of people was doing it, so he didn't find anything wrong with that.

[Damaris]

But even. Yo, I remember my frat brothers in Philly, there was another fraternity, and there's a rumor. That's why I'm not going to say what the other fraternity was, that they stopped going to their parties, because when they would walk in, they'd be. I don't want to say what their Jungle Juice was called. There'd be two jugs of it, and they would tell them, like, yo, drink out of that one, not that one. And they was like, yo, we cut. We can't. No. What the fuck's wrong with y'?

[Mall]

All? Drink out of that one.

[Damaris]

It was a very popular frat, but I want to put that on them, because, one, it's a rumor, and two, that's just one chapter that doesn't define a whole fraternity. But. But that, to me, was crazy. When I was in college. Like, wait, so they. They just told the guys in the party which one to drink from? That's crazy. Like, that's just. That's just rape.

[Rory]

You're literally in a frat. You're gonna. Pussy flies at you. You'll be fine. You don't need to drug girls for it.

[Mall]

Like, that was. But. But again, even that. Like, remember when they say, spike the punch?

[Damaris]

Well, that's what they.

[Mall]

That's all still. Like, nobody don't know what's in this.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

So you know what I mean? And again, we talking about. We was hearing this in movies when they high school, somebody go by the punch bowl, drop something in there, give his man the bottle back. Like, they don't know what they just put in that. I'm talking about this was normal shit. Again, I understand now, 20, 26, things are different in the world.

[Rory]

Thank God.

[Mall]

But I'm just saying. Bill Cosby, 1972. We talking about whatever. 70 years that was. I can see how at that time, it was things that was going on that was perceived as normal, perceived as fun. Popping Quaaludes, whatever. Fun time, party time. I mean, let's not get into the fucking. Into the 80s. And what was the club in New York that everybody wanted to get into?

[Damaris]

Greenhouse in the 80s?

[Mall]

Who wanted me to go to Greenhouse?

[Damaris]

Studio 54.

[Mall]

Studio 54. If we start talking to some of the bouncers and waitresses at studio from Studio 54.

[Rory]

Oh, I know they was carrying half dead bodies out.

[Mall]

They gonna be like, yo, like, that was regular shit. Like, we. Not like, I get it. Somebody Woke up in 1999, it felt like, damn, yo. I ain't gonna lie. I felt like they took advantage of me in 75. Like, okay, but like, in that. In 75, that's what y' all was doing for fun.

[Damaris]

And that's also why I hate some of the holier than thou people in this time, because a lot of people, which is not excusing anything, are just products of the time that they were. So everyone that is like, like, social justice warriors on Twitter, I'd be curious to see if we placed you in a time machine in the year of slavery, how liberal you'd really be, yo. No, I'm serious. A lot of people act like I would have been the only one in Alabama going, this is wrong. Yeah, I don't know if you would, dog.

[Mall]

You'd have been out there picking that cotton with everybody else, fam.

[Damaris]

No, but I'm saying the white liberals.

[Mall]

Oh, no, no.

[Damaris]

You wouldn't have. You wouldn't have been this guy. No, we have to abolish that. I don't think you would have been that. That. No, I think a lot of y' all are saying it now because it was trendy, because y' all wasn't saying it five years ago.

[Mall]

Yeah. I think people just need to keep that in context. The world is different than it was however many years ago, but at a time.

[Damaris]

I'm glad we're in a time where people are that hyper aware. I'm not saying that. Hyper scared, hyper aware that they would even think that they would be that progressive in those times. I'm glad people think that, because this is sensitivity. I'm. I'm happy that the changes have been made. Like, we shouldn't think any of this is okay. And if that takes people thinking that they would never do this in this time, cool.

[Mall]

I'm with you.

[Damaris]

But I. I just think some of y' all are full of. And say things just because it sounds good.

[Mall]

A lot of y' all foolish.

[Rory]

And just as a reminder, in case you have young listeners, okay. A drunk person, even if you are drunk, a drunk person cannot consent so if you haven't, especially. My number one rule is this. If you have not had sex with this person before, do not have sex with them for the first time. Drunk.

[Damaris]

Drunk.

[Caller/Listener]

Nope.

[Rory]

I don't give. One drink, two drink, three drink, four do not.

[Mall]

It's always been crazy.

[Rory]

Do that.

[Mall]

Always.

[Damaris]

Do not do that.

[Mall]

That is wild.

[Rory]

You're not. I'm not saying you're a bad person. It's not about that. It's not about. I'm trying to keep you from some shit.

[Mall]

Just please do not keep you away from the podium.

[Rory]

Yeah. Do not have sex with turtlenecks no matter how hard they're trying to have sex with you.

[Mall]

Somebody I don't remember. You remember.

[Caller/Listener]

Stop.

[Mall]

No, I'm just saying that they should take what you're saying seriously. Because I'm saying they'll end up at the podium talking about, yo, I didn't remember. I don't feel. Nah, you remember. You remember. Which I did coming back from Six Flags, man. Just back of that bus.

[Damaris]

Go, go. Go home. Go home and beat off. Go home and hit your rose to live to fight another day.

[Mall]

Live to fight another day.

[Damaris]

You don't need to do that. You can have sex on another time. And I mean, that even starts the relationship better, in my opinion. We all lusty and shit when you are drunk and don't fucking. Now we got some tension to be sober and fuck.

[Rory]

Nah. Especially if she stayed at night and you don't fuck and y' all wake up in the morning. That's. That's when the sex is gonna be good. Just chill. Just go to sleep. Let that girl go to sleep.

[Mall]

Yeah, calm your horny ass down. Relax. That pussy ain't going nowhere. Just chill out. Just relax. If she like you, she like you, nigga. Chill, Relax. It's all good.

[Damaris]

But let's get back to music.

[Mall]

Let's get back to the music. It's always about the music, Rory.

[Damaris]

Mass Appeal.

[Mall]

No matter what they tell you, Rory, it goes back to the music.

[Damaris]

Music, Mass appeal. You guys.

[Mall]

You guys.

[Damaris]

You guys have my heart. Oh, you guys. You guys just keep doing amazing things that I am so jealous that we aren't able to do stuff like this. So after having one of my favorite years of hip hop in 2025, with.

[Mall]

What mass Appeal did, without a doubt.

[Damaris]

A label of the year, shout out to everyone over there. They have a new idea for 2026. They posted this on their Twitter today. For decades, dream collaborations have lived in conversation. The overdue, the inevitable, and the unexpected. They're starting a program called Imagine that that invites you to submit your ideal artist to artist or artist to producer pairings and see which vision we're bringing to life. So on their website, on Mass Appeal, imagine that MassAppeal, you can type in the artists and producers that you would like to collab on an album. This is pretty much like the drafts we do on Patreon or the conversations we have. But Mass Appeal actually has the power and relationships to make it happen. To make it happen. That's why I'm saying in a healthy way, I'm jealous of how cool this is going to end up. What a way to follow. In my head, we never spoke about it, but after we did the Ghostface interview and went to the Mass Appeal pop up and saw all the installations, I was like, how the fuck could they follow this up? How do they keep this theme moving within their label trajectory? And now we have this. Now fans get to pick a collab and Mass Appeal can try to make it happen.

[Rory]

Rory about to be there submitting 50 times.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah, no, I've already. And I was like shooting for the stars on.

[Rory]

What were you saying?

[Damaris]

I was like, yo, YG and Pete Rock. Jeezy and Premiere. What's up? Let's go.

[Mall]

This is. I feel sorry for whoever has to go through all of these submissions because it's gonna be a lot of. Just like it's gonna be a lot.

[Damaris]

Of artists saying, me, yeah, like me and my DJ Premiere.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, me, me and Primo.

[Damaris]

Here's a link to my Instagram.

[Mall]

Yeah, me and Alchemist and Make it happen. But this is cool though. Yeah, this is a really cool idea.

[Damaris]

And I think, I mean, I'm sure they have some type of AI program that can sift through all the madness. And I don't know if they're going to end up going with the highest percentage of collabs or whatever, but I do think they probably have some in mind already that are going to go against this entire thing. Because that's tough to just find. Sifting through all of his programs.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's a lot.

[Damaris]

But like, even people were go up to that one. People were posting theirs. What? I. I also love that too, that fan generated stuff where you can post what you want to put up. I always think that stuff is the best way.

[Mall]

Fiasco Nas produces Mad Lib DJ Dahi, Pharrell and Alchemist. Oh, you. You just trying to rap. Rap you.

[Damaris]

Bars on bars.

[Mall]

Overly rapid.

[Damaris]

All right, well, definitely a big crit fan here. And Shout out to Crit, Kendrick, Big Crit, Jid, produced by Big Crit, Battle Cat, Pharrell. I. Battle Cat and Big Crit on production would actually be fire. I'm not mad at that one at all. Cannabis Rascast, Killer Priest, corrupt DJ Mugs. That's a hip hop fan.

[Mall]

Yeah, that just came home. Yeah. Who is that? Welcome home, Jack Goodson. We glad to see you out of that. Yo, behind. From behind the G Wall. Cannabis rascast.

[Rory]

Who else?

[Mall]

Killer Priest and Corrupt with DJ mugs.

[Damaris]

You don't have any bars. That is.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah. Was it John Goodson? Yeah, Jack Goodson. Welcome home, Jack Goodson. That nigga is. He definitely went in in 98.

[Damaris]

Like Lupe, Nas, Black Thought, produced by Hit Boy, Alchemist, Mad Lib, Danger Mouse. Oh, my God, I love that. Danger Mouse was thrown in the mix there.

[Mall]

So they want Nas to rap some more.

[Damaris]

Yo, just Nas and Danger Mouse would be kind of crazy.

[Mall]

Nas again. Nas, az, Kamega, Foxy Brown.

[Damaris]

So the Firm.

[Mall]

Oh, so the Firm.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

The Firm just without Dre.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

The Alchemist, Havoc, Conductor, and Hit Boy.

[Damaris]

Mm.

[Mall]

I ain't mad at that.

[Damaris]

What's. What's interesting with these collabs is less about the rappers. To me, four producers together, those type of producers trying to put an album together is kind of nuts. Like, I could see put three artists and then one producer. But yeah, trying to get Al had, like, that's. That's.

[Mall]

Well, I don't have. Is not a stretch. That's.

[Damaris]

That's fine. They did the last mob deep one. But once you start adding in Hit.

[Mall]

Boy, that's just a. I mean, Hitboy.

[Damaris]

A lot of producers in the way that they produce, but because that's only really like a hip hop thing where it's a one producer. That's. That's also why I hate some of these new hip hop fans when they. They. They just got their Spotify credits. Finally, for the first time in their life, they're seeing who's produced. Because they never opened a CD and went through the booklets. They didn't live that. So now they can go on Spotify and try to discredit an artist. Because there's seven producers on a record, it's like. No. That's how music has always been made.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Hip hop is the first genre that's ever had one producer.

[Mall]

And people don't understand producing. That word. Producing, It's. I think it has more meaning than people think.

[Damaris]

Quincy Jones produced thriller. There was 75 people on each song.

[Mall]

Yeah. Like, so they People don't understand that part of it. So five. Five producers on one beat is not like, and I fuck shout out the money, man.

[Damaris]

But that's not crazy.

[Mall]

That's not crazy, though.

[Damaris]

Five people producing one beat is diabolical.

[Mall]

No, that's actually very normal.

[Damaris]

Like the way Kanye's credits look when you're also adding in samples as well. Because then whatever sample it is, Kanye usually samples soulful from 70s, whatever. That's already going to have 25 producers on it. So add those 25 to that, plus all the musicians Kanye is using, and you're gonna have 50 people on a record like Anti sounds the way it does, because, yes, each record has 50 producers. Yeah, that's the point. It's collaboration.

[Mall]

Back to the conversation we had the other day. You was actually right when it comes to hip hop and it being like business on the business side of it, production, it is tricky because of samples, clearances, other labels, other artists. You throw more people in that pot. So, yeah, he was right about it.

[Damaris]

You must have talked to Hop.

[Mall]

No, no, no, I just.

[Rory]

Hop said, ma, shut the fuck up, yo.

[Mall]

No, no, no, it wasn't that. But when you think about it like that is. Cause now you're bringing in people that you know is not probably not even alive. Somebody owns the estate now. You gotta go through lawyers now you gotta go through this. Like, it does get a little.

[Damaris]

And on top of that, like, let's use Quincy Jones, for example. Just putting his name on something at that time is gonna make the record bigger as is. And Quincy knows that if my name is on this, it's going to be worth more money. My name is worth more than just the music I'm playing.

[Mall]

Right?

[Damaris]

Yeah. So the 10 musicians he's using, I'm walking in this studio, my minimum with pub, just putting Quincy Jones on it is 30.

[Mall]

Right.

[Damaris]

Like you and Beyonce. I don't know her splits, but an artist like Beyonce, when she walks in the studio, even if she's not writing something, she's going to get a pub on that. Because it's Beyonce.

[Mall]

Yeah. No, that's.

[Damaris]

She just. Her. Her name brand is putting in this song. Could be the greatest thing ever. But I'm singing it. Yeah, but some people would argue that's not how pub works. Pub should just go to who's writing. But at the same time, the writers wouldn't get the money they deserve if this person didn't sing it. I see both sides. That's why it's the most difficult conversation ever.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

If Rihanna doesn't sing Kiss It Better. Is everyone gonna get the money that they think they deserve?

[Mall]

Right?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Makes sense.

[Damaris]

Pub is interesting, but no disrespect to money, man.

[Mall]

I just think that's kind of very common.

[Damaris]

It's a novice thought when it comes to production, because that is very much a hip hop thing and very much. You know, rap duo Eric being rocket. Like, that all started with the DJ and the emcee, and then it turned into the producer and the mc. That's how hip hop started. But they were still sampling at that time. Like, if you even go to what the breakbeat is, it's a sample. Someone else would get the pub. There'd be other writers on a breakbeat, not just the dj.

[Mall]

Yeah, it's.

[Damaris]

It's complicated. So I hate when fans do that on Twitter of, like, look at how many writers. And also writers, they get that wrong. So much writer in the Spotify category, a rapper could go in there and rap the entire verse, hook. He wrote everything by himself. There could be seven writers on there because they're also crediting the guy that played bass. He's a producer and a writer because he wrote the baseline. You write music, you write lyrics, and you write music. So, yeah, there's gonna be seven writers on that song because people wrote the notes that you're hearing.

[Mall]

Yeah. Are we getting too nerdy right now?

[Rory]

No, but we did have this conversation so we can move forward. But Rory is right.

[Damaris]

Yeah, No, I just. With that tweet that Josh pulled up that it's diabolical to have five producers. I wish more of y' all would have five producers on your studio.

[Mall]

Hello. That's why that should be asked more. Y' all need five producers on your music. Y' all need a lot of people in them studios with y'.

[Damaris]

All. We were. We were spoiled by just Blaze when I was a kid. But then again, just is going to hire a whole choir.

[Mall]

Right?

[Damaris]

And that's what he's going to chop up like. Yeah. Some of y' all need more produce. Some of y' all don't just need Fruity Loops and your microphone.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Go get a musician to play or.

[Rory]

Learn how to read and. And write music so that you can do some new shit and not just go like this. I need a little beat maker.

[Damaris]

And that's what's up.

[Rory]

Shout out to.

[Damaris]

I'm not. Don't do that.

[Rory]

I'm not. Hey, let me finish.

[Damaris]

Because even 80.

[Mall]

Let's finish.

[Damaris]

Pop was made that way, too.

[Rory]

Okay, let me finish. Not Everybody is talented for that, talented enough for that to be enough. And that's why some music sounds boring and doesn't sound layered enough. Some people can do it, but not everybody can. And it's too many people trying.

[Damaris]

But to me, a lot of the sample MPC keyboard producers, I would love for them, they put together the greatest beats. Like the way Conductor, for example, who's one of my favorite producers, period conductor, will come up with everything. NPC sample, get on the keys and then maybe come in and be like, all right, I have this baseline I made off my keys and my mpc, but I'm gonna have someone replay it live. Like. I wish more of the NPC producers.

[Mall]

Would do that with that feeling, that life.

[Damaris]

Like I'm gonna come in with a horn player. I may. I may have sampled some horns. I'd rather have them live like. And then that's gonna be another credit, guys. Sorry. On Spotify, I know you want to see one person in one person, but that's just not how the world works.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

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[Mall]

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[Damaris]

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[Mall]

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[Damaris]

Anyways, we out to the Summer Walker show.

[Mall]

We out.

[Damaris]

All of a sudden now it's high. Just.

[Rory]

I always don't do that.

[Mall]

You know, they always wave when they want to say.

[Damaris]

You said happy birthday to him in May.

[Mall]

No.

[Rory]

Yeah, I did, actually.

[Damaris]

When's his birthday?

[Rory]

I don't know his exact date.

[Mall]

That's what I'm saying. But, you know, when summer come in New York, though.

[Rory]

Well, I mean, it's on the list.

[Mall]

All right, then. Well, justice, his birthday's on the list.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

When is summer in New York?

[Rory]

June 2nd.

[Damaris]

All right, June 2nd. So, like I said, you're gonna have to get Justice a birthday present. His birthday is right before that.

[Mall]

No, I'm going back to. I'm going. I'm keeping tradition going. I'm going to Toronto to see her. I went to see her first tour in Toronto.

[Damaris]

It's only, what, a week apart? Let's go to both.

[Mall]

Yeah, I'm going to Toronto.

[Damaris]

I love Toronto.

[Mall]

I gotta keep the tradition going, baby. D. You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

Well, I mean, what. You saw her in Philly, so, like, you'll see her anywhere.

[Mall]

I didn't see someone walking Philly.

[Rory]

Yes, she did. You did.

[Damaris]

You took a sprinter by yourself.

[Mall]

Excuse me.

[Damaris]

That was so much me.

[Mall]

That was snow, Allegra.

[Rory]

No, baby.

[Mall]

No, baby.

[Damaris]

We were at the Roots.

[Rory]

We were at the Roots.

[Damaris]

It was summer. Yeah, we were all.

[Rory]

We all went insane. We all went and seen Summer Walker together at the Roots picnic.

[Mall]

You mean when we were performing at. When we.

[Damaris]

Yes, but you know, I'm talking about the time he took a sprinter by himself down 95, 14 other seats.

[Rory]

That was snow, Allegra.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

That wasn't summer. That was snow. See? Okay. It was winter. Winter time. It was snowing. It wasn't. It was snowing. It wasn't.

[Damaris]

I'm telling you, Cole has a problem on his hands. No, Cole could never do a. A four seasons on Tundra.

[Mall]

Yeah, I'm going to that Toronto show.

[Rory]

And she's bringing Mona Leo.

[Mall]

We outside shout out to Mon and od.

[Damaris]

Odile is fire, also LBRN artist. But he.

[Mall]

He.

[Damaris]

He's firing his own. That's a nice lineup. Project.

[Mall]

That's. That's a lot of good music. Not that.

[Damaris]

802 at the 02 in London.

[Mall]

Oof. Wait, hold on. Hold on now. Hold on now. August 2nd. What they saying in the London.

[Rory]

Stupid.

[Damaris]

Mo. You know, I rarely ask for thank yous, but I. Here we go. Everybody on in our staff, family, my actual blood family, my daughter, all that needs to thank me. I would abandon you guys so quickly to move to London. London. You guys are the ones abandon me. No, you and I would move.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah. You think I would?

[Damaris]

The only thing stopping me from doing that is, like, you know, this responsibility here.

[Mall]

Yeah. This. This. This home that we've built.

[Damaris]

I could do this in London.

[Mall]

Love London. You know how I feel about London. One of my favorite places.

[Damaris]

But no, we'll do the Brooklyn show. But if it's just me and you, are you fine with that? Like, does it have to. Are you bringing, like, what are you.

[Rory]

Like. What you saying?

[Damaris]

Because sometimes what you say, this is where, like, friendship lines get blurred sometimes.

[Mall]

I love blurring friendship.

[Damaris]

Good, because me and Damaris, no whole bars on anything. But sometimes when she asks for tickets for stuff, I'm like, you know, as a show I' ma go to, and I only may get so many tickets, so that means you and me are going. And I don't know if that was your plan. Yeah, that definitely wasn't her.

[Mall]

Let me. Let me interject. That was not Damaris's plan to go to summer walking with you.

[Damaris]

I'm aware.

[Mall]

Okay. Damaris already got her outfit laid out.

[Damaris]

Let me look at the outfit.

[Mall]

She already got the person she knows she wanted to go with. Like, no. Well, actually, looking at other dates, like, where they go, maybe I might go to Atlanta.

[Damaris]

Like, like Brandy and Monica. No. That was hilarious. I don't know if anyone listening caught what you said.

[Mall]

Yeah, I'm cool.

[Damaris]

She's cool. From Atlanta.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

You couldn't get past.

[Mall]

You never want to go to a show in Atlanta. That's it. It's over. It's cooked.

[Rory]

Why? I live in Brooklyn. Everybody comes here.

[Mall]

I'm saying.

[Damaris]

But she gets PTSD anytime she sees a Mercedes Benz.

[Mall]

Yeah, quick flight. Quick flight to Atlanta. That's life.

[Rory]

Why, it's.

[Mall]

They got good food in Atlanta. They got.

[Damaris]

They want to film Philly.

[Rory]

They go like, it's. I don't even.

[Mall]

It's mad places.

[Damaris]

Cheesesteaks.

[Mall]

And you go to Baltimore. I was gonna say she got a DC Show.

[Rory]

I was gonna say Baltimore.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

Yeah. I was gonna say maybe I might ask for tickets to the Baltimore show.

[Damaris]

I don't be more is a great city.

[Mall]

Great city.

[Damaris]

But yeah, I'm very self aware Mole that she did not want to go to the Summer Walker show with me. And I'm saying the amount of tickets I can get, one of them is mine.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Damaris]

So.

[Rory]

Which is fine.

[Damaris]

It might be a Brandy and Monica situation again where it's like, no, it's gonna be me and you sign. We'll know a lot of people at the. That you don't have to just sit with me. You'll know people there.

[Rory]

I don't mind, like, I don't mind hanging out with you. I don't mind hanging out with you.

[Mall]

I ain't. They ain't even sound like, yeah, I.

[Damaris]

Don'T need a lot of people.

[Mall]

That's also somebody you'd be like, I don't know. I mean, if you want to go. It's like you won't sound like you want to go though.

[Rory]

No, it's not that. I originally was asking for me and Alex, but we do that.

[Mall]

We know who you. We know your road dog. So Alex could get kicked out again. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, we know. I'm just saying we know how Alex get down at live shows is all I'm saying. We know her get down is all I'm saying anyway.

[Rory]

But yes, Rory, I would. I would love to go with you, but I am going to ask for tickets to the Baltimore show as well.

[Mall]

Be more.

[Damaris]

You know.

[Mall]

I know that's right.

[Damaris]

You know, I like fake lived there for a while, so maybe I want to go to the Baltimore show.

[Rory]

Fuck. Like, nigga, like a herpes bump. Like you just can't get rid of of them.

[Damaris]

Like, who's your voucher?

[Mall]

Maris is not trying to go see someone I know. Like, she's not with.

[Rory]

That's not true at all.

[Mall]

Like, she tried to go somewhere.

[Damaris]

I'm so sorry. I know neither of you want to go with me to any show. Cuz I'll go with you to Toronto. Let's see his response.

[Mall]

We out.

[Damaris]

We out or like, I'll meet you there.

[Rory]

Oh, he for show me you there.

[Damaris]

Yeah, there's a difference between we out and I'll meet you there.

[Mall]

You want to take the same flight? Like, I don't. I don't know how to. Like, I don't know.

[Damaris]

We've taken the same flight, same hotel, same Uber car, same show, and I've still never seen you.

[Mall]

What are you talking about? But I've never gone to a show to Toronto. When you was in Toronto, though, I.

[Damaris]

Took you to Daniel Caesar as my date.

[Mall]

Well, yeah, but we went together, though. See that, That's. That right there throws your theory out the window. We went together.

[Damaris]

No, no, but here's the difference. Not to say you couldn't get Daniel Caesar tickets, but I just, I just had the plug because I'm close with him. Yeah, you could get Summer Walker tickets without me in a heartbeat. It would take one. Hey, what's up? Can I get some tickets? Yeah, yeah. I don't think I'd be on the same itinerary as you. I had noticed the tickets were under my name.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Damaris]

That's why you had to go with me.

[Mall]

What was the other show you saw? Globe Theater.

[Damaris]

No, Peach was saying when we were in London. So outside of the Daniel Caesar show, every time we've ever been in cities, I've like, wanted to go to shows and shit. Like, like, you know, just, just be, be in the pulse of the city, the social pipeline of the arts.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Damaris]

And Leon Bridges is, is an associate. Yeah, I fuck with Leon. And he happened to be at Earth Theater, which we, we performed at, which was like my favorite venue I think we've ever performed at. And he was there doing like an intimate, like, invite only show thing. And I had three tickets after. I had just gotten tickets for all of us to go to the festival. I thought everyone was just gonna go to go to sleep.

[Caller/Listener]

Sleep.

[Damaris]

And I had three tickets. And for the first time ever, Maul and Benner were like, yo, I'll roll. And I was like, out of all the things they are going, both of them are going to walk in there and kick up a fuss that I dragged them to this event.

[Mall]

No, that's not true. So what happened was, and I know.

[Damaris]

You with Leon Bridges, but it was very much an intimate R B set, like where I feel like. But we were, it's more of my thing.

[Mall]

We were coming from like a. We did radio, I think we were coming from.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but you guys had said you weren't going. And I was like, well, I'm, I, I'm gonna get in the Uber. And then both y' all out of nowhere decided y' all roll with.

[Mall]

And I was like, yeah, but it was cool, though.

[Damaris]

I know. Yeah, I just, I could see our faces.

[Mall]

No, I enjoyed the show. The show was cool. I enjoyed the show.

[Damaris]

And that's not a Leon. The show was incredible, but it was like a sitar and a stand up.

[Mall]

Yeah. It was.

[Damaris]

It was a. You had to be in that mind state, and you better weren't in that mindset.

[Mall]

That's not. For four of the fellas to go together. That's not that. That's not that.

[Damaris]

And I was just gonna go by myself and just, you know, sit right there and watch.

[Mall]

I get it.

[Damaris]

The three of us pulling up. I was like, why doesn't mall roll me when I go to the strip club? He wants to come with me now.

[Mall]

Yeah. I want to hear some music.

[Damaris]

Which made me think that you've never gone out with me since. And you think that's. No, no, that's my style.

[Mall]

I met you at the. What is the. Where. Oh, who does the. When we went to the. When Nick went with us. I'm trying to remember the name.

[Damaris]

Marlon Craft. Marlon Craft. He has a residency at New Blue, which he still does.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Damaris]

Marloncraft.com. yeah, but that was. See, don't do that. Because that. That's Cause Nick and Marlon respect each other and that Nick was gonna come. If Nick wasn't here, you wasn't pulling up.

[Mall]

No, I would have pulled up. Cause my other boy was telling me about that spot for a while. I would have pulled up.

[Damaris]

No, New Blue, if you're in New York City, Monday nights especially are the best if you love jam sessions, random producers just doing shit. But Marlon has his residency there, and I brought them all there. But that was a great event. I was happy you came to that one. Just to show that, like. Like, I have range in my invites.

[Mall]

No, that was cool. That was. That was a good show for sure.

[Damaris]

Damaris. I just have to find, like, hoes and she's there.

[Mall]

Well, they gonna be at the summer Walker show for sure.

[Rory]

Ah, not all the hoes. The last hoe you had me around, I could have did without.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah. Oh, God.

[Rory]

Oh, Maul. Did I ever tell you about that? I never told Ma about that.

[Mall]

You never tell me about the hoes, baby. D. He was there.

[Rory]

He was there. He was there.

[Mall]

I was there with the hoe.

[Damaris]

Patreon. Patreon.

[Mall]

Oh, okay. My bad.

[Damaris]

Not. Not like a hoe. I was like. Or anything, but, you know, a yes. You know, that just makes every situation annoying.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

We went to Leon Thomas together. We had a good time. So we can go.

[Damaris]

That's the third wheel there. Do you guys ever have that anxiety of when you're the one inviting people to events that you. Events you can't even control? Like, I hope everything is smooth. I hope everything is cool.

[Rory]

That's why I don't bring anybody to events with me unless we're really, really close. Like, for example, that was my boyfriend at the time. Or like, Alex, I can't bring. Like. Cause, like, looking like you, I don't want to make it seem like I'm the plug and I'm not the plug. And not plugging in.

[Damaris]

Not even just that. Just, like.

[Mall]

Not that not plugging in, just more.

[Damaris]

So, like, is it gonna be cool? We're all old. Like, do we have a spot to sit?

[Rory]

That's the number one thing. Do we have a spot to sit? Are we comfortable?

[Damaris]

Yeah, it's less about the plug shit.

[Rory]

Just.

[Damaris]

Is it going to be a.

[Rory]

My biggest fear is somebody giving me tickets to something. And I go. And they like, your name ain't on the list. That's very embarrassing. And I got somebody with me that's so embarrassing.

[Mall]

That felt like it was gonna happen to me when I went to go see Usher.

[Rory]

Ooh.

[Mall]

But I was just at the wrong gate. I walked up, they was like, nah, we ain't got. I was like, yo, don't play with me like that.

[Rory]

You got a girl with you?

[Mall]

Yeah, at my own. I was like, don't play with me, like. And then I hit J.D. he was like, nah. They said, it's at the other gate. So I had to go, like, walk around the other side.

[Rory]

That's how I was with. And the crazy shit is, I had two sets of tickets for Atlanta, One Music Fest, and that line was around the corner. I walked all the way to the.

[Damaris]

Front of the line.

[Rory]

I was like, I'm media. They was like, well, you're not on the list. I said, man, call somebody. I start naming names.

[Mall]

I got my ticket not being on the list. And you walk and there's people standing behind you, and they know they on the list. That's the worst. Now you got a fake. Stand on the side and start texting.

[Rory]

That shit is so embarrassing.

[Mall]

I'll go home. I'll go the fuck home pretending.

[Damaris]

You on the phone.

[Mall]

Yeah, I look.

[Damaris]

Nah.

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[Damaris]

You know.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

No, no, no. Yeah.

[Damaris]

I'm talking to Bryson personally right now.

[Rory]

Their computer system was down at One Music Fest, and that's why. But I'm like, y' all gonna get somebody on this phone. I had to start acting like Rory. I was like, y' all gonna get somebody on this phone. I think I text Rory, too.

[Damaris]

I was the one that got you the passes for that shit.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I didn't go to Bryce and Chris.

[Damaris]

Yeah. But you. I had to FaceTime you with the ticket person and show your passport.

[Mall]

Yeah, I wasn't doing that. I literally got dressed. It was in that. It was thunderstorming, I think.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And I had got dressed and I put. Yo, I'm so weird. I sprayed cologne on. I was like, yo, I just put cologne on to go see a on stage. Yeah, but it was still just.

[Damaris]

I put on cologne before I come here. Like, I don't know. It's part of a routine.

[Mall]

It's. Baby, these heads.

[Damaris]

You don't give a what I smell like.

[Mall]

Yeah, but you gotta. You know I do.

[Rory]

I don't want you to smell like wet dog. So please put like some.

[Damaris]

Have I ever smelled like what dog?

[Rory]

No. Cause you put perfume on.

[Mall]

He's white. He. You smell like wet dog before. That's just y.

[Rory]

The top of that head in the rain.

[Damaris]

It's not even enough hair for that. Yeah, this.

[Mall]

But the scalp.

[Rory]

It's the scalp oil skin.

[Mall]

It's your skin.

[Damaris]

But I put perfume on.

[Rory]

So pe. So pe.

[Damaris]

Maybe it's Maybelline over here.

[Mall]

It's the skin. It's the scalp.

[Damaris]

Don't wear black without the blue or whatever that used to be called.

[Mall]

Oh, man.

[Damaris]

No, but seriously, I don't. I don't smell like a widow.

[Caller/Listener]

Okay.

[Damaris]

No, but like. No, but really, I don't.

[Rory]

Okay. Believe you.

[Damaris]

No, but I don't.

[Mall]

Oh, man.

[Damaris]

Do we have voicemails, guys?

[Mall]

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[Damaris]

You've got mail and the best snapbacks one can find.

[Caller/Listener]

Pause episode 447 for a minute. I'm hearing Rory talk about the kid CI Jim Jones debate and he gonna say I forgot the time period. He just said. But he just said said New York radio ran the 50 states lost their mind. New York ain't never ran the radio in Texas like ever. Never ever, ever have we based our listening off of New York radio. Let's get this straight. We always play our artists out here. Always.

[Damaris]

Yeah, always.

[Caller/Listener]

Period.

[Mall]

The south does.

[Caller/Listener]

That's why all our artists that very well deals Chameleon there was a millionaire before he signed his gym just we love Paul Wall, Mike Jones, my guy whole Swiss house were millionaires but he signed a deal go listen to I'm so happy you can't think of his name right now. He said something was a man before I signed. All our artists right now are still millionaires because this down here was a religious to the won't to. Boy and web are big because of down South, y' all only know them for wiping me down. Like I remember when BOA got out and went hot and and the deeper gonna say well all we know is wipe you down. So what song should people listen to? And we like what the is this talk? She a legend out here. Y' all ain't never ran the radio in the south ever.

[Damaris]

Here's the thing. I completely agree with everything this gentleman just said. Said I don't disagree with one one thing that that he said. I also think Millionaire and Paul Wall were amazing entrepreneurs that were millionaires because they were selling out out they trunk before any record really hit. I think he misunderstood what I was saying. As far as New York radio with program directors and major markets of things being proven when it comes to records that got as big as day and night are. I am not saying that New York music ever controlled anything in the South. We were just talking about prom and I said in 2008 the south was running everything at that time. I am not saying that New York music controlled anything that was playing on southern radio. I'm saying with records, pop records that were like day and night. It came from a hip hop space. But that is a pop record now. That is is a classic pop record for sure. The most major market and where all the radio execs, label execs, everyone that got shit moving and could really press a button at that time because Internet was still the Internet, don't get me wrong. But 08, I saw a lot of people on on Twitter killing me in the comments of that of like we didn't listen to Hot 97 in, in 2008. Cool if you didn't. I didn't either. I had an ipod. I wasn't, I wasn't really listening to Hot like that. But you're very naive if you think radio still matters in 2026. You don't think it mattered in 2008. Night radio really mattered at that time. And where every radio exec was at, where every label exec was in New York City, which made it have even more purpose at that time. That's what I was saying. As far as the trajectory of anything that happened. I'm not saying that there wasn't mixed show with Houston DJs that didn't make Paul Wall and Chameleon air pop. Of course the south has always had better radio. Anytime I've traveled, I don't mind sitting in the Uber and listening to the radio. South DJs is smoking ours up here. They play amazing music, they play local. I Love what the south does. But as far as that radio rotation with those hit records, TI Will tell you you gotta go to New York. At the time TI Was trying to pop, you had to go to New York to get your really in rotation around the country. Because syndication started a few blocks from here at iHeartRadio. Syndication started in New York City. So I understand what this gentleman is saying. He completely missed my point, which is probably my fault for not articulating it correctly. But I'm not talking about New York music. I don't think Jim Jones Day and Night remix played in Houston. Yeah, I don't think that at all. I'm saying a lot of decisions that were being made. The pulse of New York mattered at that time with what was going on and what was working. Because those people were living in New York City.

[Mall]

City.

[Damaris]

It's action. It's a fact. It's not even really a debate.

[Mall]

I always tell a story about seeing future in Sin City. When he was working his Tony Montana record. Never heard the record before that. In Sin City one night, see this skinny tall guy with dreads jumping up and down. He's the only one that knows the words. But it was catchy. Me and my homeboy, Leapson City, we saw rhyming Tony Montana with everything. About to go get some food. Tony Montana, get some pizza, whatever. Everything was Tony Montana. And then two days later heard it on the radio.

[Damaris]

Yeah. And I also want to be very clear that I'm not saying that even in 2008, radio execs or major label execs were the most important people. At the end of the day, what Houston does on an independent level is so admirable. What New Orleans has always done on an independent level. The streets made all those records hot, and then the execs had to catch up. But I'm saying a record like Day and Night, in that pop world, you do need a little bit of a push and a button from major radio and major labels that were in major markets in. In bed together at that time.

[Mall]

Right.

[Damaris]

And iheartmedia, which was also what he was saying. 106hot97 obviously isn't part of that, but syndication matters. Syndication starts in New York City.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

It's just a fact based off the people pushing buttons, starts here. It's not what y' all were doing. I don't think New York City had anything to do with Paul Wall, Chamillionaire, Cash Money. None of that to. To Pop and Kid Cudi. Day and Night would have been Day and Night. It was clipped up. Thanks, Peach. Day and night would have been day and night. I know a lot of people just watch the clips and not watch the full thing. I'm not saying that Jim Jones made day and night work. I'm just talking about people that work worked in the city, made the decisions at that time. And New York was prevalent behind the scenes, even with Southern music at that time. But shout. No, I'm never giving New York credit for Paul Wall or Chameleon. Like, come on, what are we talking about?

[Mall]

Thank you for that, Matthew. Thank you for getting Rory right. Getting him together. He got you together real quick.

[Rory]

Yeah. Made you explain yourself.

[Damaris]

If it wasn't for papoose, I don't think sitting sideways would even be what it is right now.

[Mall]

Oh, man. All right, well, go. We're going to Patreon.

[Damaris]

That we are.

[Mall]

We got more energy for Patreon. We good?

[Damaris]

I'm ready to go.

[Mall]

All right, well, we'll talk to y' all soon. Be safe, be blessed. I'm nen. He's just. Peace.

[Rory]

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