Episode 453 | THE MAL-OFF

Summary

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New Rory & MAL - Episode 453: "THE MAL-OFF"

Release Date: February 10, 2026
Hosts: Rory, Mal (referred to as "Maul"), Peach, Baby D

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Overview

This episode features the crew diving deep into the aftermath of the Super Bowl, hot takes on the halftime show and commercials, and an extensive, passionate roundtable review and debate of J. Cole’s highly anticipated double album, The Fall Off. Opinions fly, jokes hit, and the crew brings all their critical and cultural insight to bear. This episode is especially rich for hip-hop heads, music fans, and those curious about today's pop culture climate.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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Super Bowl Recap and Vibes

[02:55 – 07:24]

• Patriots vs. Seahawks: The group feels the game was underwhelming and lopsided.
  • Peach calls it “the most boring Super Bowl of all time,” to which Rory counters, “People can’t say it’s the most boring, because if it’s a game where both teams score 40… y’all say nobody plays defense” [02:58]
  • Baby D and Rory agree Seahawks' defense overwhelmed the Patriots and rookie QB Drake May: “The announcers made a good point… I don’t think the world knew how good Seattle’s defense was.” [04:22]
  • Discussion over whether Patriots’ loss was their own coaching failure or Seahawks’ dominance.
• Super Bowl Party Scene: Poking fun at not getting into exclusive clubs/bonded spaces.
• Halftime Discussion: Green Day’s nostalgia and widespread appeal ("If you hate Green Day, I don’t want to be around that person. You just hate life." – Rory [07:49])
• Coco Jones & Bad Bunny: Praise for Coco Jones’s Whitney homage; discussion of Bad Bunny’s halftime performance and its cultural polarization.

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The Great Halftime Show Debate

[08:15 – 18:41]

• Bad Bunny’s Set:
  • Baby D calls it “cool” but not life-changing for a non-fan. Discussion about why a Spanish-language act divides America for an "American football" event.
    • “For the people that love his music, which is a huge group… I was focused on the bushes moving…I thought whoever put the set together is incredible.” – Baby D [10:17]
    • “We understand why Bad Bunny was hired. It’s to get people to tune in around the world.” – Rory [11:04]
    • Peach notes: “When I was talking to my friends who don’t live in New York City, I remembered that I live in New York City, so I hear Bad Bunny without even playing him on my phone.” [14:54]
  • Should super bowl acts “represent America,” or should they be global? The hosts argue both sides.
  • Suggestion for subtitles to help the non-Spanish-speaking audience; group agrees, but debate about whether it would work in practice.
• Race, Inclusion, and American Identity:
  • Peach: "A large percentage of America got to see their star…there’s a lot of Hispanic speaking people in our country.” [22:43]
  • Baby D pokes fun at “progressive” sentiment with, “Y’all try. I know. I'm trying to make a progressive point and actually being racist.” [23:04]
  • Rory defends ratings logic, “Halftime show is about getting the money for the sponsorships…who else to do it?” [11:44]

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Chris Brown’s Not-So-Subtle Shade

[24:06 – 28:40]

• Chris Brown’s “Y’all Needed Me” Post:
  • Group dissects Chris Brown’s seemingly salty social post right after halftime, widely interpreted as a dig at Bad Bunny’s performance.
  • “The tone of it, it was corny. Chris, we love you, but you didn’t have to do it like that.” – Rory [27:13]
  • The group agrees Chris would easily tear down a Super Bowl halftime and that his moment will come, but his shade is unnecessary.
  • Peach suggests if Chris ever gets the stage, “he should do the whole show in Spanish … The El Breezy Bowl.” [28:40]

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50 Cent’s Legendary Petty Super Bowl Commercial

[34:46 – 36:16]

• 50 Cent and DoorDash knock Diddy: The team laughs and marvels over 50 Cent’s Super Bowl ad’s petty references to Diddy’s legal troubles.
  • “He took his petty all the way to the bowl.” – Rory [34:54]
  • Baby D: “When they go low, we go to the bowl.” [35:07]
• DoorDash & Food Fails: Peach’s failed Wingstop delivery becomes a mini comedy bit.

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Transition to The Mal-Off (J. Cole Album Review Roundtable)

[39:41+]

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The Mal-Off: J. Cole’s The Fall Off in the Hot Seat

(This is the biggest segment of the episode. It’s highly detailed, honest, and, at times, heated. The hosts trade lengthy, nuanced, and passionate takes.)

First Impressions and Standouts

[39:41 – 43:07]

• Peach and Baby D lead with initial reactions:
  • Peach enjoyed the album, especially Disc 29, but says, “Not his best, not his worst. I’m very proud to be a Cole fan … Standouts: ‘Who the Fuck Is You,’ ‘Hit the Gas,’ ‘Quick Stop,’ ‘Life Sentence,’ ‘Old Dog.’” [41:44]
  • Baby D cautions about double albums’ risk and says, “When he started with the Remember the Titans on the intro… I’m on board.” [43:07]

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Track-by-Track, Constructive Critiques

[43:07 – 60:14]

• Baby D reviews several cuts with detail:
  • Praises: “Safety” (“Favorite version of Cole rapping”), “Run a Train” (though would prefer a different artist on the hook), “Bunts Road Blues” with Tems and Future, and use of Burna Boy.
  • Disappointments: “The Let Out” (“What a way to kill it… One of the worst songs Cole has made” [46:46], but acknowledges some fans seem to love it).
  • Repeated critique: Overuse of other artists’ hooks, sometimes pasted on and “lazy.” “The concept is too good… to make it sound like how it sounded.”
  • Asserts that on Disc 39, J. Cole “tries to do everything himself” (production, hooks), and that hinders the album’s overall cohesion: “When you’re making 24 records…we need some help!” [59:49]

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Big Themes: Hooks, Song-Making, and Critique of ‘What If’

[60:14 – 79:04]

• Hooks & Song Structure:

  • “He never fully corrected his flawed approach to hooks… hooks not holding up the bars.” – Rory [64:06]
  • Discuss how Cole’s tendency to do everything himself (production, songwriting, hooks) is a double-edged sword—displays talent, but sometimes misses magic.
  • Group notes that the reuse of iconic hooks (OutKast, DMX, etc.) often feels awkward or misapplied.

• Lazy or Loyal?

  • Peach leaps to Cole’s defense (“The song is about his wife being down from the beginning—how is the DMX ‘How’s It Goin’ Down’ hook not relevant?” [53:10]) but agrees sometimes song craft could be improved.

• Addressing the Elephant: The ‘What If’ Song

  • All find “What If”—Cole rapping from the perspective of Biggie and Tupac—misguided.
    • “You’re not the person who does this—you’re making my job hard.” – Peach [78:33]
    • “It gives, ‘if they would've apologized like I did, they'd still be alive,’ and it makes me want to choke myself. That’s nasty.” – Peach [78:35]
    • Baby D suspects this song originated as a take on Cole/Kendrick/Drake, but Cole opted for a safer historic angle to avoid controversy: “At some point in the studio, J. Cole had an idea of doing this song…from the perspective of Drake and Kendrick…and someone said, ‘Bro, don’t do that.’” [75:59]
  • All agree the song’s execution is off, verging on tactless, with Peach adding, “We gotta stop speaking from the perspective of dead people. This is disrespectful.” [80:02]

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Overall Album Take: Underwhelmed, But Still Respect

[63:27 – 105:53]

• Maul/Mal states:

  • “I was underwhelmed… we waited almost 10 years for this project.”
  • Acknowledges high moments but asserts, “Too many hooks felt lazy; references to other artists' hooks felt like placeholders.” [64:44]
  • Album’s production, length, and song construction didn’t fully live up to anticipation.
  • Found some moments where he wished other Dreamville artists (like JID) were more involved in song-making.

• Rory & Baby D echo:

  • “Too much Cole,” “double disc is dangerous waters,” “to do two discs, your song-making ability has to be at an incredible volume.”
  • “I just don’t know if two discs for me was necessary.” – Baby D [60:40]

• Anticipation vs. Reality:

  • All agree: such prolonged anticipation made it almost impossible for Cole to meet expectations.
  • Peach: “When the anticipation is that high, there’s no way you meet it…” [102:18]
  • Rory: “He fell way short of the anticipation.” [102:47]

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Cole’s Legacy, Comparison to Drake, Kendrick, Wale

[105:53 – 114:57]

• All agree J. Cole remains “one of the greatest rappers” no matter what.
• Agree that his “Achilles heel” is and has always been hooks and pure song-making finesse.
• Compare Cole to Drake and Kendrick in terms of hitmaking; Peach and Rory argue Kendrick is notably better making hit songs (“Kendrick is significantly better at that than Cole.” – Peach [111:13]).
• Surprise Wale Props:
  • Rory, prompted by earlier debates with Baby D, says: “Everything is a Lie [Wale’s recent album] is better than this J. Cole album… It might be closer [between Cole and Wale] than I thought it was.” [113:20]
  • “Wale specializes on that… One of my favorite songmakers, period.” – Baby D [114:05]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "If you hate Green Day, I don’t want to be around that person. You just hate life." – Rory [07:49]
• “When they go low, we go to the bowl.” – Baby D [35:07]
• "For all the Dreamville listeners… I’m not saying what he should have done. Telling as a consumer how I felt." – Baby D [61:04]
• “We gotta stop speaking from the perspective of dead people. This is disrespectful.” – Peach [80:02]
• “When the anticipation is that high, there’s no way you meet it… Rarely does anybody meet it.” – Peach [102:18]
• “He fell way short of the anticipation.” – Rory [102:47]
• “J. Cole is still, no, he’s one of the greatest rappers that’s ever lived… discography is still amazing.” – Baby D [102:01]
• “Everything is a Lie is better than this J. Cole album.” – Rory [113:20]

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Lighter Notes & Closing Vibes

[121:05+]

• Shoutouts to Don Tolliver for his album “Octane,” which they say outclasses much-hyped artists like Playboi Carti.
• Quick aside on NBA Youngboy love: “I’m a NBA Youngboy—be a Youngboy. But yeah, that Don Tolliver album is incredible, I love that project.” – Rory [121:56]
• Joke about Britney Renner’s religious journey and loving “problematic” women.
• Peach closes by sending gratitude to Cole, “If this is your last album, thank you for everything over the course of your career.” [117:25]
• The crew doubts this is really Cole’s last album: “You cannot go out like this! Ain’t no way.” – Rory [117:08]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Super Bowl Recap: [02:55 – 07:24]
• Halftime Show/Bad Bunny Discussion: [08:15 – 18:41]
• Chris Brown’s Instagram Shade: [24:06 – 28:40]
• 50 Cent Super Bowl Commercial: [34:46 – 36:16]
• Beginning of J. Cole Review (“The Mal-Off”): [39:41+]
• ‘Let Out’ and The Double Album Problem: [46:41 – 49:11]
• The 'What If' Track Debate: [73:29 – 80:04]
• Album Wrap and Legacy Discussion: [105:53 – 116:06]
• Cole/Wale songcraft comparison: [113:02 – 114:57]

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Tone & Style

The episode keeps the irreverent, humorous, but deeply passionate tone the show is known for. The crew isn’t afraid to challenge each other and bring up “unpopular” takes, but there’s always a sense of camaraderie and mutual respect—especially as they pick apart one of hip-hop’s modern icons with equal parts love and disappointment.

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Takeaways (for New Listeners)

This episode is a clear must-listen for anyone trying to understand the crossroads hip-hop is currently at: balancing nostalgia, cultural inclusion, criticism of pop music machinery, and the challenges of artistic legacy.
If you’re a J. Cole fan, you’ll get both thoughtful praise and incisive critique. If you’re about cultural moments like the Super Bowl, the halftime show debate is particularly insightful. If you want to watch friends engage in real, unfiltered music criticism—without pandering to stans—you’ll love “THE MAL-OFF.”

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Transcript

[Peach]

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[Peach]

No worry and mous.

[Baby D]

All right, mo. I figured for this episode we just, we just, we get a much needed break.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

And just ISO right over there.

[Rory]

What'S up, baby D?

[Peach]

What's up?

[Rory]

How you feeling?

[Peach]

I feel amazing.

[Rory]

You look amazing.

[Peach]

Thank you so much. It's a different glow to me.

[Rory]

It is.

[Peach]

I've been inspired. Yeah.

[Rory]

I thought it was the light.

[Peach]

No, it's not. It's me.

[Rory]

No, you didn't change the color on that light behind you.

[Baby D]

So.

[Peach]

I mean, it's natural. God given.

[Rory]

No, I see. Baby look good.

[Peach]

Yeah, you know. Thank you.

[Baby D]

Rap God given.

[Peach]

Yeah. Rap God given.

[Rory]

How y' all feeling, man? How was your weekend?

[Peach]

It was good. Did y' all watch the Super Bowl? Most boring super bowl of all time.

[Rory]

Don't do that. See, that's the problem. People can't say it's the most boring because then if it's a game where Both teams score 40 points and y' all like, yo, nobody plays defense, and because it's a defensive super bowl, people call it boring.

[Baby D]

No, I like Super Bowls when everyone scores 40 points.

[Peach]

Yeah, that's like. It's great.

[Baby D]

I don't know what you're talking about. I love that shit.

[Rory]

That was a good game. It was 29, 13. Final score.

[Baby D]

We can start there. That score doesn't reflect the ass whooping that happened to the New England Patriots.

[Rory]

Yeah, it was. It was. It was an ass.

[Baby D]

Like, if you saw that score and didn't see the game, you would think, like, oh, okay, whatever. That was a royal ass whoop.

[Rory]

I feel like if it was five quarters, though, the Patriots would have won. If it was five, what gave you that idea? Man, he just started, you know, I mean, he started realizing towards the end of the fourth, he was like, all right.

[Peach]

And they start warming up.

[Rory]

At the end of the game, jitters went away. Just. It's. It's a little more intense, the game. Even though the NFL game is already fast, though most players will say, you know, the super bowl, the game seems to be faster, you know what I'm saying? Because there's so much on the line. Players are more intense. Everybody's leaving on the field. Nobody cares about next week.

[Baby D]

No, I hear you. There's definitely super bowl jitters. But when you're left tackle and left guard decide not to show up to.

[Rory]

The game, oh, my God.

[Baby D]

I don't care how nervous or not nervous.

[Rory]

Yeah, the offensive line, y' all could. Offensive line, y' all could have stayed on the bus with that. Yo, I don't. Y' all didn't give Drake May a chance back there to do anything. How many times he got sacked every.

[Baby D]

Every time? 10.

[Rory]

Like, something like that 9.

[Baby D]

Every time they hiked the ball, they were in his face.

[Rory]

Oh, man. But shout outs to the Seattle Seahawks winning the Super Bowl.

[Baby D]

Yeah. And the announcer made a good point. I'm sorry to cut you off there. The announcers made a good point with their defense. They had, like, the least nationally syndicated games, myself included. I don't think the world knew how good Seattle's defense was.

[Rory]

No, I mean, well, people that watched the NFL. Yeah. They knew exactly how. This was the number two offense in the league versus the number one defense. So the number one defense showed up on the biggest night. They did.

[Baby D]

Listen, man. That I was arguing my pops before that. This doesn't even compare to the Richard Sherman years lead you to doom this and that. I don't know, man. Might have been the best defense performance I've ever seen in super bowl history. That's up there. Was. That's like Ravens type shit.

[Rory]

Like, I don't know.

[Baby D]

Or was the Patriots just that bad?

[Rory]

Listen, that's what I'm saying. I don't want to take nothing away from the Seahawks defense. Right. Because obviously they're number one defense for a reason. But the Patriots offensive line, man, I.

[Baby D]

And then Vrabel's airing shit out with nine minutes left in the fourth. Like, it was a terribly coached game. No halftime adjustments. I was like, you know what? Brable's gonna get in his Belichick bag. They'll be all right. They came out, same game plan.

[Rory]

Yeah. I thought they were gonna sneak Brady in and Drake May's uniform at halftime. Cause they kind of built the same. You know what I'm saying?

[Baby D]

Like, no, they're not.

[Rory]

It's not built the same. They kind of. You know, if you put the. Put Brady in the jersey, keep the helmet on, you wouldn't know. That's. That's Brady out there. Once he start throwing that shit down the field, you're gonna be like, I don't know. Something looks. Something looks different with this quarterback.

[Baby D]

The Seahawks, I was like, maybe the punter should get mvp.

[Rory]

Yeah, it was bad, man. It was bad from start to finish. But shout out to the new. The New England Patriots for getting there. I think Drake May and the Patriots will be back.

[Baby D]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Rory]

No, I still like them. I still like Drake May. I think they'll make some adjustments this season. But take nothing away from the Seattle Seahawks. They came to do what they needed to do. They took care of business. Shout out to the 12s. Yeah, man. And, you know, it was a good game. I enjoyed it. I thought I thought that the Patriots had a chance when it was still like 22. When they. When they. When they caught that. That. That sack that turned into a pick six. Yeah, that was. That was. That's when you know it was over at that point. But. Shout out to the Seattle Seahawks on redeeming redemption. This was their redemption super bowl against the Patriots.

[Baby D]

Well, I mean, the Patriots screwed themselves when Malcolm Butler showed up before the game to ring the bell. Yeah, like, that pissed off the whole, like, Pacific Coast.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Why would you do that? Malcolm Butler.

[Rory]

And it felt like a home game for the Seahawks. Proximity being in San Francisco to Seattle. So they felt like they was at home.

[Baby D]

Yeah. But, I mean, yeah, it was a very boring super bowl, but I still. I still enjoyed the game.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Still had moments, but still had.

[Rory]

Still had a good time watching the game. Watched it with a few of my friends. We went to a zero bond.

[Baby D]

Okay.

[Peach]

Oh, okay.

[Rory]

He was at zero bond watching the game. It was cool. Cool little vibe. Zero really laid it out. They really had the whole vibe in there. It was cool. It was a cool night.

[Baby D]

Excuse me. Yeah, I was at the crib with Zero Bonds. Yo.

[Peach]

Please.

[Baby D]

No Bonds at all. Zero Bonds. Same.

[Rory]

I had Zero Bonds, too. I'm saying. Still the same Zero Bond.

[Baby D]

But speaking of people showing up, Green Day did what they were supposed to do.

[Rory]

Absolutely.

[Baby D]

They did their job. Opening up the Super Bowl.

[Rory]

It's always good to see, like, some of my favorite. Like, I love Green Day. TRL bands. Green Day came out. It was just like, oh, man. This is. This is like nostalgia. Nostalgia.

[Baby D]

Yeah. Yeah. If you don't like Green Day, you're like the type of people that, like, hate Forrest Gump or, like, just.

[Rory]

Just. You gotta love Green. Nobody.

[Baby D]

Classic.

[Rory]

Who hates Green Day?

[Peach]

I'm sure there's someone out there hates Green.

[Rory]

If you hate Green Day, I don't want to be around that person. You just hate life. Like, Green Day is just. The energy is just, like, fun. It's like, you know, let's just have a good time. Like, nobody's trying to be too cool. It's a Green day. You gotta have a good time. And rock out the Green Day.

[Baby D]

Yeah. Yeah. No, for sure. Coco Jones did amazing as well. I like the beginning of Shout out to Coco Jones.

[Rory]

Paid homage to the great late Whitney Houston. Coco did what she had to do.

[Peach]

Per usual.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You know how we feel about Coco. Like, Coco is one of them.

[Baby D]

I know. After the. The second quarter hit. Hit. Zero, zero, zero. I know. I know. You turn to the turning Point Make America great again. Halftime show. So, Damaris, do you want to cover the Bad Bunny thing with me? Because I. I think we were the only ones that watched, and we can get to Kid Rock. Bob with the. Bob the Bang. I'm sure. I'm sure Kid Rock did his thing as well.

[Rory]

You think. You think I tuned in the 24 USA?

[Peach]

I did.

[Baby D]

They're all American.

[Rory]

I was like, yo, switch it over, Kid Rock.

[Peach]

Switch it over, Kid Rock.

[Rory]

You thought that's what I yelled out at halftime? No, I promise you, I did not. Did not watch it.

[Baby D]

Well, yes, for those that don't know, for some reason, Bad Bunny performed. And it's so odd that the last two years have just, like, divided. It's a fucking halftime show. It's supposed to be for entertainment.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Why is this dividing the world? I didn't understand a fucking word he said either. But I like the set design, and it was a great performance. It was like four minutes of my life. It really wasn't game changing before the state of the world the way they're trying to. To do from both sides. But I enjoyed the Bad Bunny performance as someone that doesn't typically listen to his music very often. I thought he covered all bases. For people that don't listen to his music, like, it was entertaining to watch. Oh, the set design was incredible. I like the telephone pole shit. And that's really as much as I have on it. Like, it was cool, just cool. And it was a great performance. Oh, don't try to flip now.

[Peach]

I'm gonna see how you sounded real white right now. I don't know. You've been doing this.

[Baby D]

Should I be the white person that never listened to Bad Bunny and now thinks he's the greatest artist of all time? Should be that white person and lie to you?

[Rory]

I like this. I like.

[Baby D]

Should I be that guy? Should I be like, honestly, yesterday I didn't. Now go, you know what? He's my favorite pop star of all time.

[Rory]

Yeah. No, no, nobody.

[Peach]

The cool is crazy.

[Baby D]

All right?

[Peach]

It was cool.

[Baby D]

That's what you said it was okay, okay, wait. Why are you putting negative cool?

[Rory]

Nobody said.

[Baby D]

I thought it was all right. I thought it was incredible set design.

[Rory]

It was Agreed.

[Baby D]

And I'm sure for the people that really listen to his music and love his music, which is a huge group of people, it was even better. But I was focused on the bushes moving, and I thought that was. Whoever put the set together is incredible. I love the deli.

[Rory]

Found a way to shout out.

[Baby D]

I love the Bodega, right?

[Rory]

You just found a way to shout out the bushes.

[Baby D]

I really like when they were sugar cane, is what you. You want me to say, huh?

[Rory]

Let me say this. I do understand how some people would be kind of upset at Bad Bunny performing.

[Baby D]

See, to me, that's weird.

[Rory]

No, I do understand it because it's like, you know, if they. This is quote, unquote, you know, American football. Some people, a lot of the players, they interviewed him before in the game. Never heard of Bad Bunny, never heard none of his music. But we understand why Bad Bunny was hired. It's to get the people to tune in around the world. It's a Latin. One of the biggest, if not the biggest, Latin artist in the world, which means a lot of people from other Latin countries will tune into the halftime show. It's all about ratings. It's all about getting people to watch the halftime show. Bad Bunny is an incredible artist. There's nothing. He's an incredible performer. We know all of these things about Bad Bunny. Me personally, I loved it. But again, I'm from the Bronx. I'm Puerto Rican. It's part of who I am. Like, I. You know, I enjoyed it. I enjoy Bad Bunny. I understand his music. I may not understand what he's saying, but the music is. I understand the emotion, the feeling behind his music. So I was not mad at Bad Bunny. But to be fair, I do understand how some people that, you know, watch football and don't know who Bad Bunny is, or people that was at the super bowl and don't know who Bad Bunny is. I could understand how they was like, damn, dog. We don't even know what he's saying. We've never heard of him, never heard his music. I can understand. You can't please everybody, but we. The halftime show is about getting viewership, getting the people to tune in. It's all about spa. Getting the money for the sponsorships and all of that, and who else to do it. Other than which, I haven't seen the numbers, but I'm pretty sure it's probably the most super bowl of artists. It has to be. I mean, it's.

[Baby D]

But with the American football player. I know you're not saying that, and I see. No, you're saying that. This is the list of people that are not.

[Rory]

He started with From America. I told y' all he was gonna do my. He started with my. That's my man.

[Baby D]

He was listening. Listen to the show.

[Peach]

When I found out that that song was about being a. I was like, yo, that's why that hit like.

[Rory]

That's why I touch your soul. Right?

[Peach]

That's why I touch yours too.

[Rory]

Listen, we here.

[Peach]

Okay, cool.

[Baby D]

I'm not.

[Rory]

This is not an attack, baby D. Okay? This is me recognizing one of my. I'm recognizing you as part of my problem.

[Peach]

Ask me why I got so many girlfriends. It's like I got a lot of them, Auntie. I got a lot of them. I can't.

[Rory]

Yeah, don't love my.

[Peach]

Listen to. Listen to your home girl. I'mma break your heart. Listen to your homegirl.

[Rory]

Yeah, so I understand.

[Baby D]

But that's also funny why most of those people were like, he doesn't speak English. We want to hear it. But then also say he talks about sex, so he shouldn't be there.

[Rory]

Yeah. I mean, listen, man, which one is it you?

[Baby D]

Do you not understand him or you understand that he's talking about sex?

[Rory]

Is it Uchi. Wally.

[Baby D]

Wally. One mic.

[Rory]

I don't get it. I understand. But I understand how some people, you know, die hard football fans that don't know who bad. I get how that.

[Baby D]

Okay, but non American super bowl halftime performers, Phil Collins, Enrique Iglesias, U2, Shania Twain, they sting English though. Okay, but you said it's American football. You want an American there?

[Rory]

Okay, well, at least people in the audience because I watch those that didn't know Shakira also sings in. In English as well.

[Baby D]

Sometimes the weekend, sometimes anytime they start talking in that. That Scarborough Toronto slang, I don't know what the they be talking about.

[Rory]

It's still English.

[Peach]

My thing is this is my thing. This is that. That one criticism I will take. Not that Bad Bunny shouldn't have performed, but when I was watching. When I was watching it with my father, the one thing he said was, hey, if they had subtitles up here and I can understand people who have that complaint that they wanted, they would have wanted subtitles. For what? To translate what he was saying. I feel like that was a miss on productions part. But.

[Baby D]

But I don't know. I guess I'd have to like watch that on YouTube or something just to see what if that translate. I've never like read subtitles to a song before. Like a movie I have. That would be hard to keep up. I feel like the way especially. I'm sure he speaks in a dialect that may not translate the same way to English with what he's doing.

[Peach]

So like he speaks Puerto Rican slang.

[Baby D]

Yeah. So it would have been so tough to.

[Peach]

But it would have helped. They could have tried.

[Baby D]

Like even if you Printed out, like Vibes Cartel lyrics. It'd be very confusing to try to translate them into English, and that is broken English.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

So I just don't know if I hear them, but I don't know if people keep up with the. I know I wouldn't be able to.

[Peach]

I had a ball. But I also have to realize because I'm just sitting up there. Like, when I was talking to my friends who don't live in New York City, I'm like, how are y' all not excited about Benito? And then I remembered that I live in New York City, so I hear Bad Bunny without even playing him on my phone. Like, if you outside, you're gonna hear Bad Bunny, and a lot of people just don't.

[Rory]

Yeah, people don't listen to. Listen. We get it because we. Where we from. You know, where I grew up, I mean, I understand it. It's part of my culture. But I can also understand being fair on the other side. People from the south, people from the west coast, you know, people from, you know, up. Way up. No, they don't. They just. That's just not their. Their thing. They don't know about Bad Bunny like, that Midwest, I understand that. That's not part of. They don't listen. They never heard a Bad Bunny song as much as we do, because we go out, we move around in New York. Some of these songs, even though we don't know what he's saying, we know the song. That's our shit. You know what I'm saying? So. But I understand how some people were like, damn, could we get something that we can understand so we can feel like we're included and we're a part of it? But again, we understand what the super bowl halftime show is about. It's not so much about the people that's at the game. It's most about the people tuning in.

[Baby D]

And. But even the people at the game, I mean, obviously this year, they were with Erica Kirk, but it's not the good old boys going to the Super Bowl. Like, you have to have a lot of money. It's a lot of connections. Like, it's not like the good old Americans that are at the Roll Tide games that are going to the Super Bowl. Like, that. That's not really the crowd. And, like, even so, who do you.

[Rory]

Think is at the football game?

[Baby D]

Rich people.

[Peach]

It's not all just rich people, but a lot of rich people. Yeah.

[Rory]

You think it was a lot of Puerto Ricans there?

[Baby D]

I. I don't. I don't think all Puerto Ricans are poor, Mo.

[Rory]

No, I don't either. Do you think a lot of Puerto Ricans were there?

[Baby D]

I don't know. I really.

[Peach]

I'm sure there were. I'm sure.

[Baby D]

I'm sure a lot of Puerto Ricans went because of bad money. But I mean, even that. You say that, though, but you isolate a whole huge demographic of NFL fans when you have the who there in 2010. Yeah, like, so I. I hear what you're saying, but that happens. That's going to happen no matter what. Because football is so popular.

[Rory]

Listen, if Real Madrid was in the championship, oh, I mean, for their Premier.

[Baby D]

League, Bad Bunny should do the coin. Tonight.

[Rory]

Usher came out and performed. You don't think people over there be like, who the fuck is this? It would be the same thing.

[Baby D]

We know Usher would be a strange choice for the Real Madrid game.

[Rory]

Some people feel like Bad Bunny is a strange choice for the Super Bowl. That's all I'm saying. No matter where you from in the world, if an artist is not performing in your language of the country, you can understand how people gonna be like, yo, fam, we don't even understand what this artist is saying. Again, I loved it because that's part of my culture. So you got me there. I think Bad Bunny is amazing. I think his. Even if you don't understand what he's saying, just looking at their performance and then understanding the attention to detail, you know, having, you know, the lady who's one of her last. She's one of the last, like, Puerto Rican owned speakeasies or like, bars and I think in the city. He had her there, had her address on there.

[Baby D]

This is the child with the Grammy.

[Rory]

You know how many people are gonna be there? Yeah, that's gonna just pull up to be like, yo, she was at the like. Because that's what it's about for me. It's about the attention to detail. And I think that that's what Bad Bunny and his team did. They paid attention to every detail. It's very intentional. I thought the performance was dope.

[Peach]

And like, how when Rory. When Rory wrote in our group chat and was joking around and was like, look at Bad Bunny showing a nuclear family that the Republicans, like, claim to live and. But Puerto Ric. Spanish people really do.

[Baby D]

And it's like, I wasn't really joking.

[Peach]

You weren't joking. That's that, like, that's that ass. Like, that's. I love how he showcased their culture of, like, family. Like, the little boy laying on the chairs, yo, go to bed. Get up. Like, that's. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's that culture. And I thought that that was so beautiful. The couple that really got married.

[Baby D]

Yeah, she got married. Was fire.

[Peach]

That was, that was amazing. And also, I don't know why people don't know how to just enjoy music they don't have. You don't have to understand what's being said. You can just enjoy the feel of the music, enjoy the performance. Like, I don't know. I, I, I've never known what bad buddy.

[Rory]

A lot of people don't have rhythm, though. A lot of people don't have soul.

[Peach]

I do not only care about lyrics, especially for music like that. I care about the. I want to dance. These things don't be making dancing music.

[Baby D]

I will say Spanish music.

[Rory]

We'll get to.

[Baby D]

That is actually so. Because white people, we bop our head to the lyrics, not the beat. That's like, the difference besides the 1 and the 3 and the 2 and the 4. We try to dance to the, to the cadence of the lyrics. That's why we'd be offbeat sometimes, because different pocket Spanish music does make it easier without rhythm to, like, you know, bop your head.

[Rory]

You would look crazy dancing to anything Bad Bunny is playing.

[Baby D]

You don't think I've been in the hookah spot dancing, looking crazy?

[Rory]

Nah, looking like he's about to rob.

[Baby D]

I used to, I, I used to, I used to cut a rug at melody.

[Rory]

Cut a rug.

[Peach]

Get up and dance. I'm gonna clap out.

[Baby D]

Now.

[Rory]

That's more your speed right there. That's more your speed. You should have been watching Turn the Point usa.

[Baby D]

I can't just stand up.

[Rory]

No, no, no, no, no, no. See, that ain't, that ain't. That ain't what Benito was doing last night.

[Baby D]

No. And now I see why you guys had a reaction when I said it was, was cool. So I agree with everything you guys said, down to the detail. I thought it was amazing in every part of, of that. It's just not music I listen to often. That's, that's really.

[Rory]

I'm just saying I understand both sides. Like I said, if, if, if us, if Usher take his ass to Spain for their, their championship soccer game, it's gonna be a lot of people that's like, who. Who is this fam? Because we in America, so we feel like everybody's supposed to know our stars, and I.

[Baby D]

Right?

[Rory]

No, they don't. I promise you they don't. Some of our biggest athletes. You go to London right now, like, you know Kevin Durant, they'll be like, no, who's that? You show people. I'm talking about biggest thought, bro, I'm telling you, they don't.

[Baby D]

London.

[Rory]

I'm telling you, they do not.

[Peach]

Bro, they don't know Kevin Durant is in London.

[Rory]

A lot of people do not. I promise you they would know who he is. Like, if you had just a Nike ad and like no jersey or nothing with Katie, just in some Nike shit like, yo, who is that? A lot of people from the UK would not know who that was.

[Baby D]

I can't confirm this, but I feel like KD's probably had an ad in London, London before, maybe 10 to 15 times.

[Rory]

Listen, the NBA has games in London now. So there's a, there's a, there's people that follow. I'm talking about in general, soccer.

[Baby D]

I think there's places in Europe. I just think London is, is so much like America.

[Rory]

If I showed you a picture of the biggest soccer player in the world right now, you wouldn't even know who he was. You couldn't name him.

[Baby D]

He's dating Tiana Trump. You could name him.

[Rory]

You couldn't name him. You couldn't name. So that's what I'm saying. Depending on where you from in the world. I understand how people will feel away. Like, listen, we not. This is not really our culture. Yes, we have a huge Puerto Rican culture in New York City.

[Baby D]

Okay.

[Rory]

But even in other states, other cities, but still, it's a lot of people that they don't know nothing about. Bad boy. Never heard them before.

[Baby D]

But a lot of Americans love soccer. Like, don't use me. I shouldn't be the rule to not knowing the biggest football soccer player. Like, there's plenty of people in America that are like die hard soccer fans for sure. And I'm sure there's a lot of die hard NBA fans in, in London.

[Rory]

I don't know about. Die hard.

[Baby D]

Basketball got so international. Like, even if you look at the league now, like they gentrified the out of us, I. I feel like globally it's different with basketball now.

[Rory]

It's nice. It's still not. They're still trying to push this growing, but it's still not what you think it is.

[Peach]

I'm happy that the. We always talk about America being such a huge melting pot and what America.

[Rory]

We get there because I see where you're going. I like that. I like that segue.

[Peach]

I'm not segueing. I was still talking about the Super Bowl.

[Rory]

I'm sorry. Good.

[Peach]

I was just talking about. Yeah, it's a melting pot. And I'm happy that a large percentage of America got to see their star on.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Peach]

On the screen. Because a lot.

[Rory]

Percentage of America got to see their star.

[Peach]

Yes. There's a lot of Hispanic speaking people in our country. A lot of them. Like, a huge percentage of America. So it's not just like, oh, they're trying to get people from other.

[Baby D]

All Mexicans love Bad Bunny just because they all star. Yeah, that's a little.

[Rory]

But I understand what you're saying, though. A lot of people do love bad boys.

[Peach]

Y' all try. All right, I know.

[Baby D]

I'm trying to make a progressive point and actually being racist.

[Peach]

No, it wasn't. It wasn't racist. Bad Bunny is the biggest Spanish speaking star in America.

[Baby D]

He's one of the biggest stars in America, period.

[Peach]

Okay. Of course. That's fine. But when you're talking about regular Americans might not know, maybe not knowing who he is. The Americans where their first English, their first language is Spanish. They know who the fuck Bad Bunny is. He is their star. That's like, even if you don't like Beyonce, Beyonce is still your star. Like, it's not. You can't escape it. Y' all stepped on my point for no reason. What was y' all about to say?

[Rory]

Like, I was just gonna say we're back. Sponsored by Boost Mobile. Unlimited talk, text and data. Oh, that's what I was about to say, baby. Dion, I didn't mean to cut you off.

[Peach]

It's fine.

[Rory]

But overall, shout out to Bad Bunny Again, the production, attention to detail, everything was spot on again. But we knew that Bad Bunny is one of the greatest performers that we have, so we knew that he was gonna do what he was supposed to do.

[Baby D]

Well, I did see in English that Chris Brown commented in English because he could have.

[Rory]

He could have gave y'.

[Peach]

All.

[Baby D]

He could have.

[Rory]

Yeah, he could have gave y'. All.

[Baby D]

He's a very talented guy. I'm sure he could.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

100 Google Translate somehow.

[Rory]

Absolutely.

[Baby D]

And I'm sure Chris Brown has been around enough Spanish women that he can pick up on. On a few words.

[Rory]

You're gonna pass this phone to one of them. Like, yo, listen, just.

[Baby D]

There's one of ten next to him.

[Rory]

Just. Just send that out for me.

[Baby D]

He did. He did post that. Looks like y' all needed me in. In so many words.

[Rory]

All right, can I say this how we know he was talking about the super bowl show?

[Peach]

We don't know. We can only assess the name of.

[Baby D]

His tour was the Chris Brown bowl.

[Rory]

That's the only thing that I'm just the breezy bowl. To be fair. I get it. I understand how people was like, yo, that's crazy how he. He throwing shots at, you know, Bad Bunny saying, I see y' all needed me. Like, Bad Bunny's performance was whack or whatever.

[Baby D]

Like, you doing the bachata right now. It's a dance. You dancing.

[Rory]

I'm just saying. How do we know that he was talking about the super bowl halftime show? How do we know that? How do we know.

[Peach]

We don't know anything, but we're on this podcast, and we assume all day, every day, any other day.

[Rory]

So we just like kicking the shits. I'm not talking matter of factly.

[Baby D]

Well, of course not.

[Rory]

All right.

[Baby D]

Because I wasn't talking about matter of.

[Peach]

Factly on this podcast.

[Ad Voice]

Me.

[Rory]

Oh, give me ten more minutes. I'm gonna talk matter of factly in ten minutes. Hold on. You keep.

[Baby D]

We go start your clocks now.

[Rory]

We gonna run down a few more topics, and then I'm gonna talk matter of fact.

[Peach]

She gonna hit the ceiling.

[Baby D]

Go ahead. I can. I can safely assume it's these walls. That Chris Brown posting that right after the super bowl half.

[Rory]

Was it right after. Because I. I didn't see. I saw that.

[Baby D]

I don't even think they got halfway through the third quarter.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Baby D]

To do the breezy bowl. To do the breezy bowl. Okay. Put your. Put your Safely.

[Rory]

Put the detective glasses on. Put your case together, world.

[Baby D]

I was. I was at MetLife. He did it in a stadium where one could do a halftime. There's been a halftime show there.

[Rory]

One has played football there.

[Baby D]

And you called it breezy bowl.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Because we can safely assume you have been snubbed for doing so. And you wanted to prove to the world. That's why you do four hour shows a night for 365 days straight.

[Rory]

Right.

[Baby D]

Like a psychopath at the highest level of singing and dancing. Then Bad Bunny performs, and then you tweet out, Instagram out, whatever the it was. Looks like y' all needed me. I don't. I don't think it's. Do you think maybe it was a sub to some of his, like, inner family again?

[Rory]

Man, you know, I'm just mad he didn't say put together a good case.

[Baby D]

I'm mad he didn't say on pyro after. That's, like, the only thing I thought was missing.

[Rory]

You put together a great case. The timing of it, everything that Chris has done in the last year with his own, you know, massive tour. And we speak to it every year, we say. Because we're probably gonna throw some names in the hat right after we finish this about who we think is next. He's one of the ones that we say easily could do a Super bowl halftime, basically has done his own halftime show on his tour.

[Baby D]

I can say after going to the tour, not that I had doubts or anything, but it was just like, yeah, he could. He could do this easily.

[Rory]

It would be the easiest production setup of all time.

[Baby D]

When he was flying around metal, literally flying.

[Rory]

I just, again, the timing of it.

[Baby D]

It. The tone of it, it was corny. Yeah, it was corny.

[Rory]

Like, he didn't have. You didn't. Chris, we love you, but you didn't have to do it like that. You didn't have to take him down.

[Baby D]

Bad Bunny, for some, like, he. He put on a good performance. Yes.

[Rory]

Great performance. Like, looks like y' all needed me a shade, right? That's what they girls say to that shade.

[Peach]

Nobody needed him. It was a great performance. Like, I don't.

[Rory]

It was great. I'm with you. It was a great performance. I enjoyed it.

[Baby D]

If it was trash, I could, like, actively support Chris Brown in that. Like, you keep snubbing me for this. I could see if it was bad, but it was great. So I don't. It was unnecessary to me.

[Rory]

Unnecessary is the word. That's the word I like. I like that word. I want to start using the correct words. It was unnecessary. Like, that's all. If it was. If it was how he felt. We can't be mad at how Chris Brown feels, but it was just unnecessary. It was unnecessary. You could say that in the crib, like, yo, they needed me. Cause, like, I would send that out now. We in your business. You putting us right in your business.

[Peach]

You wanted us to talk about it.

[Rory]

You wanted us to see what you see, how you felt. You know, obviously, Chris is a superstar, amazing performer and will kill the halftime show if he's ever given the opportunity to perform. We know that. But let's not take away from Bad Bunny's moment. Yeah, I think that's where the unnecessary part comes in. We kind of take away from his moment, you kind of diminish his moment and kind of throw shade on his moment. Again, unnecessary. I just. I just thought that was a little unnecessary from Chris.

[Baby D]

No, I agree. And I mean, if he's petty and ends up getting it next year, he should do the whole show in Spanish just. Just to show the. You Want to really show the levels.

[Rory]

If you want to really turn the country on this ear, you can form next year.

[Baby D]

In Spanish, the El Breezy Bowl.

[Peach]

El Breezy Bowl.

[Rory]

El Chili Bowl.

[Peach]

All right.

[Baby D]

Sponsored by Chili's.

[Peach]

El Chipotle Bowl.

[Rory]

Chili Bowl.

[Peach]

Get the. Y' all are so annoying.

[Rory]

Not breezy. It's not breezy. It's chili. This country has gone to.

[Baby D]

How do you say I say yo in Spanish? Huh? How do you say I say yo in Spanish?

[Rory]

How do you say yo?

[Baby D]

I'm asking how you say it.

[Rory]

How do I say yo?

[Baby D]

Well, you're Puerto Rican, yo. No, I said yo.

[Rory]

I said yo.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Rory]

E2. I don't know.

[Baby D]

Now sing it in the Chris Brown case.

[Peach]

Oh, Jesus Christ.

[Rory]

Oh, my God. Oh, man. That's funny as fuck.

[Baby D]

We will get the commercial.

[Rory]

Y' all not ready for the chili bowl, Baby D, you're not ready for the chili.

[Peach]

I'm not. I'm not.

[Baby D]

Isn't there already, like, the Tostitas bowl or some shit?

[Rory]

Nah, but chili, you know, breezy chili.

[Baby D]

But you need this. No, no. Bean chili dip. Before we get to the commercials, I do want to Salute the loyal king 21. Savage doing what he needed to do. Just trying to get home to his queen. I know what it's like when you move in a room full of vultures and you're just trying to stay faithful and get back to your queen.

[Rory]

21 did.

[Baby D]

Sometimes you just gotta lean up against the wall when a camera's coming.

[Rory]

What?

[Baby D]

He was walking out with Kendall Jenner and, like, a bunch of people. He didn't look suspicious, but he moved. He. He wanted to make sure the camera. He was not with that girl.

[Peach]

Look at me hugging the wall.

[Rory]

Oh. That's how Isaiah walked past the Bulls when the Bulls beat the Pistons. It's that same little. He walked past Mike just like that.

[Baby D]

People say that, but they don't realize that he's smoking and he's really just trying to hide.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

The weed he has. I give him the credit. Let's give him the faithful king credit. But he's really just trying to hide what he's spoken. Yeah, but with that said, good. Good man. And I saw your queen post a sub as well, in a good way.

[Rory]

My queen? Who's my queen?

[Baby D]

His queen. Oh, the one he made it home faithfully back to.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Commercial Voice]

Come on.

[Rory]

That's 21 seconds.

[Baby D]

Yeah, he's never gonna do that. He was at the slut walk.

[Rory]

Yeah. Nobody's more faithful than 21.

[Baby D]

He's a pretty loyal guy. If you do like, if you go through his track record.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

21. Savage.

[Rory]

Don't try to pay him.

[Baby D]

Is a pretty lo person, man.

[Rory]

Don't try to pay him like that. Come on, man. Don't do 21 like that. Not Super Bowl Sunday. Don't do that. No wor.

[Baby D]

That appears to be the iPhone 16.

[Rory]

It is.

[Baby D]

That's nasty, man.

[Rory]

It is.

[Baby D]

Come on. Do you love yourself?

[Rory]

I do.

[Baby D]

If you loved yourself, you would get the allnew iPhone 17 Pro with boost Mobile, the most powerful iPhone of all time. And even if you're about to say what about traffic? Or trying to go to the store and transfer the data, that's probably what. That's why you got this 16. That's nasty.

[Rory]

Exactly.

[Baby D]

Get your sweet 16 out of here.

[Rory]

Traffic.

[Baby D]

But I have good news. When you order a new phone online with Boost Mobile, they'll send an expert to your home or your work and deliver you that brand new iPhone 17 and set everything up with Boost Mobile within minutes. No hassle.

[Rory]

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[Baby D]

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[Baby D]

No.

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A toaster. No. A hamster in a jetpack.

[Peach]

Fun.

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[Baby D]

Good boy. Let them color correct anywhere and everywhere.

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[Rory]

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[Baby D]

Commercial wise, 50 Cent is the pettiest human being of all time.

[Rory]

I shout out 50 man.

[Baby D]

I commend. I commend Doordash Petty all the way.

[Rory]

To the Super Bowl. He took his. No matter what you say about 50, he took his Petty all the way to the bowl.

[Baby D]

You take my baby mother, I'm taking it to the Super Bowl.

[Rory]

Taking it to the. The Super Bowl. When they go low, we go to the bowl.

[Peach]

That was good, Mom.

[Rory]

When they go low, we go to the bowl.

[Baby D]

We gonna take Door Dash to the bowl.

[Rory]

Absolutely. Are you kidding me?

[Peach]

Door Dash. Giggling and in the background.

[Baby D]

I commend Door Dash for letting that fly too.

[Rory]

Yeah, they. They leaned into it. They know.

[Baby D]

Cuz even if that was scripted. Not scripted. Like even the way they shot it where it looked like it wasn't scripted and they, everyone was laughing. They. They smoked that commercial.

[Rory]

I'm pretty sure a lot of that was ad lib. I'm pretty sure 50 ad libbed a lot of that that you Can't. They didn't write that four years off.

[Baby D]

No, that was 50 months. The scheme at the end with the. The months to year, that's. Oh, 50.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Like, to me, that's. That's. Guess who's back. Era of level metaphor. That's back when 50 could rap. Rap.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

For those that haven't seen it, it's 50 Cent talking about DoorDash and somehow twist that into how many months versus years, and it just happens to add up to exactly what Puff was sentenced to. But who's counting?

[Rory]

I like it.

[Peach]

Fuck it.

[Rory]

Take it to the bowl. 50. Take it to the bowl. Don't get that doordash bag be petty on the super bowl stage. It is what it is. This is who he is. I like it.

[Peach]

I want to fight doordash, though. Cause I order Wingstop. Okay. Granted, I did order it in the middle. It's like I ordered it after kickoff. It never came.

[Baby D]

Yes. Yo, baby, what is.

[Peach]

I wasn't.

[Baby D]

That is a rookie.

[Peach]

Because I was supposed to be cooking and then like mid cook, I just got lazy as and I was like, man, I'm gonna order some wings. And I just. It didn't.

[Rory]

Nah, you gotta make that decision like three hours before kickoff, baby.

[Baby D]

I was gonna say in January.

[Rory]

You gotta make that decision January 5th.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That's when you're supposed to know what you were doing on Super Bowl Sunday. Yeah. You can't call.

[Baby D]

Ordering during the game is crazy.

[Rory]

That was the stickiest audible in the world. You just called right there.

[Peach]

I know. My beer came, though. I ordered beer through doordash. My blue moons came, but my wings never came.

[Rory]

Wings never got this. They probably were sold out. I saw a video. There was like a thousand, like liquor drivers outside of Wingstop. Yeah, I'm about to say they probably was sold. They probably had no more wings. That's why they probably couldn't send it to you.

[Peach]

But then they should have just canceled my order. Why y' all keep saying y' all preparing it?

[Rory]

They. They was trying to send homie to the store to get a bag of Wing Dings. I'm saying Wing Dings were sold out. They can't even get nothing at the supermarket. They had some turkey legs, though. You order some turkey leg, Turkey legs would have showed up for sure.

[Peach]

Some big ass turkey legs, but they.

[Rory]

Would have showed right up.

[Baby D]

They flags.

[Rory]

They got a whole freezer turkey legs. Nobody want that on Super Bowl Sunday.

[Baby D]

We need turkey legs on Super Bowl Sunday. I'm just saying now, if you smother.

[Peach]

Them with some gravy.

[Baby D]

I love turkey wings, especially Smother Sunday it is.

[Rory]

Give it to me.

[Baby D]

Yeah, but just ordering Big ass, like Medieval Times Turkey leg on the Super Bowl. Then you're watching Turning Point. For sure.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

Why did you put Lilo and Stitch there? Was that like, a message?

[Peach]

My son. Some camera time. You didn't have to call him out. He shot.

[Baby D]

Okay.

[Rory]

Is this a voodoo doll?

[Peach]

No, it's not a voodoo doll.

[Rory]

Because I can't tell sometimes Baby D is Haitian or not. So I don't know if I am.

[Peach]

I'm not Haitian. I don't practice.

[Baby D]

She has Haitian tendency.

[Peach]

What the does that even mean? That's racist.

[Rory]

That is.

[Peach]

Yeah. Have Haitian tendencies. What does that mean?

[Baby D]

I think your strongest. I think your strongest qualities.

[Peach]

What tendency?

[Baby D]

Your resilience.

[Rory]

Your resilience.

[Peach]

I hate white people.

[Baby D]

How much you hate? I don't know.

[Rory]

People are such resilient people.

[Baby D]

They are.

[Rory]

Yo, you're resilience, baby. Through the French, your son fell.

[Peach]

I see him. I see him.

[Rory]

Yeah, you're see.

[Baby D]

You see. You don't know the history of Haiti. You don't know the history of Haiti.

[Peach]

Like, get the.

[Baby D]

See, I can't even see. I can't even. You're not a history buck.

[Rory]

That's funny to tell Baby D her resilience.

[Peach]

Crazy.

[Rory]

Oh, man. All right, listen, man. Y' all know I love y', all, so we gonna have this moment. We gonna give each other the space to speak. You not gonna overtalk, Baby D. You and I are not gonna yell at each other. Cause you know, I love you people to think I'll be in here beating on you, so you gonna. Don't nobody think that shit. Don't nobody think that baby. So we gonna have this moment. We gonna give each other the floor, right? I'm going last. Only because I feel like since y' all are such cold fans. I'm a cold fan, too, but y', all are, like, really cold fans. We've been anticipating this album for years. We finally got it. We got a weekend to live with it. We got some time to live with it. And we are here today to give our break down. Our personal point of view, our personal feelings, our personal opinions, our subjective opinions.

[Peach]

Objective.

[Rory]

Objective. Excuse me. Thank you, Baby D, for that. See how we starting already on correcting. See how that felt? Felt good, right?

[Baby D]

I give it 5 minutes.

[Rory]

Opinions on the Fall off by Jermaine Cole. So between you and Baby D, y' all pick who goes first. I will go last.

[Baby D]

Wait, now we Gotta do a coin sauce.

[Rory]

No, no, I'm going last. I'm going last because my. I need to get.

[Baby D]

Okay, well, I got to run.

[Rory]

I wanted to run.

[Baby D]

I don't have, like, a monologue review. I didn't want to go through certain records and, you know, make it more of a pow wow.

[Rory]

That's our platform. Whatever you want to do with your time right now, you do it.

[Baby D]

I may yield my time. Yield your time. Yield my time. It's your go.

[Rory]

No, I'm going live. I'm definitely going last.

[Baby D]

I did wear sunglasses today purposely, because.

[Rory]

You don't want me to see the lies behind your eyes.

[Baby D]

Exactly. Okay. If I say something, I want you to be able to call me out because you could see me.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna put my glasses.

[Peach]

This is all I ask of you.

[Rory]

This is all I ask you is hilarious.

[Peach]

This is all I asking you is, is when you give your review or you give your little comments or whatever, do not make it condescending. That's all I ask. If you don't like something, you don't.

[Rory]

Like something you review condescending, you can.

[Peach]

You can dislike something you could do. Whatever.

[Rory]

We not put. We not telling you how to give your review.

[Baby D]

You might like it.

[Rory]

Yeah. Why do you think I'm going to.

[Baby D]

Come in here with. With a bunch of negativity?

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm. I. I want to hear Baby D's breakdown because I know she was living all weekend with this.

[Peach]

I do not have a breakdown. I don't have a breakdown. What I will say is, because it broke you down, I enjoyed the album. I didn't think that I would like the fact that it was too, you know, a double disc. Usually what happens with double disc, we say, yo, if you take off half of one disc, it'll be a classic. That's what people usually say when it comes to double disc. With this, I did feel like I was listening to two separate albums. I have favorites on both. I will say that I like disc 29 more than I like disc 39. I will say that I am not disappointed in the album. I enjoyed it. Do I think it's the best his catalog? No. Do I think it's the worst?

[Baby D]

No.

[Peach]

I think it's a great, great album. I really, really enjoyed the album. The standouts for me would be who the is you, Hit the Gas, Quick Stop, Life Sentence, Old Dog. Those are the standouts. If I had to pick a favorite, it would be who the is you, Legacy. I think that the run from Poor Thing which would be number five on disc 29 all the way until. Right. It stops right before the let out at drum and bass. So you got poor thing. Buns Row Blues. Who the is you Drum and bass. Crazy, crazy Run. I think it went. I think it was amazing. I think Cole did amazing. I'm very proud of him. I'm very proud to be a Cole fan. And I was not disappointed at all with this. That is my breakdown. Thank you, Peach. See, it's like this that make me start saying no, no, no, no. Because I literally asked y' all not to be funny. Then when I start saying blow the grip, I'm crazy. Right? I didn't want to go. I didn't want to scream. Like, I literally was trying to be cool. But y' all being funny. That's the thing. Like y' all trying to antagonize me. You want me to yell.

[Rory]

Was it the cadence? Was it the cadence? I'm sorry. Thank you, baby. The way you broke that down, I didn't expect you to break it down that way. Which you did a great job. Thank you so much for that. What man is your go, Pharaoh? Stop laughing all the goddamn time.

[Baby D]

Let me start by saying I was extremely excited and exhausted on Thursday evening. Only Cole could get me to stay up past midnight at this point. So I want to say I was very excited to get 24 records from J. Cole on Thursday. When he started with the. Remember the Titan on the intro. I saw he about to take us there. You give. You giving us a little Gary Bertier to start the. I'm on board. Then we get to 2, 6. Absolutely loved it. Safety. One of my favorite versions of Cole rapping. Now it's going to get to my overall point way later when we start having a real powwow. I hate when Cole feels the need to have to do everything. I don't need Cole pretending to cry like a baby. Just get a baby to cry. Still absolutely love the record. Run a Train. I actually thought that was Cole on that. That hook. Bridge part. I guess it was Future. It sounds like Cole trying to do a future impression. But that was going to be one of my cases of you should get someone else to do it. Maybe a high pitch. If Thug would have done that. That hook. Flawless. Run a Train. Outside of that one part because. Because he's saying some on.

[Rory]

I think that was Future on it.

[Baby D]

I know, but it sounds like Cole. It's weird. And even says Jermaine. Until I checked the credits. I really thought it was Cole. Just Trying to do like a demo for somebody. But I love what he was saying. I was like, yo, Thug. Even though he pitched it down. Thug would have sounded great on that. Besides just those four bars. Run a Train Is Fire. Absolutely love it. Poor thing is great.

[Rory]

I.

[Baby D]

He lost me with the punk part. I thought he was. Was rapping really well in between. But I that the punk. If you would have done like two punk, I would have been fine.

[Rory]

Fine.

[Baby D]

45 punk. Like that's where I was. Like, it's a lot of punk.

[Rory]

Too many punk.

[Baby D]

It's a lot of punk. Like every syllable too. But I still love Poor thing and I still play. It's not a skip just because of the punk part. I'm already still on board with this entire album. Legacy Fire Bunch Road Blues. Cole. What a beautiful way to use tems. Not an obvious fucking beat. That's Alchemist beat. Right. Alchemist beat. You put Thames and Future on it. It. What an awesome way to. To use Thames on your album.

[Peach]

Shout out to Boss. Who wrote that part? Tim's part.

[Baby D]

Oh, Boss.

[Peach]

Boss wrote that.

[Baby D]

Had me damn ready to cry. Boss, we got to talk. Maybe you and I have something in common currently in our lives. Who the is you Fire. That's. That has the beat change, right?

[Peach]

Yep.

[Baby D]

Back to one of my points. The beat change is really cool. This is where I wish Cole maybe didn't want to just. I understand T minus vinyls and a lot of people are on that. That Coleman as well. I think Mike Will would have walked that beat change. I think you guys go with this to Mike Will. Like, hey, this is our idea. Can you tune this up a bit? And you're looking at a way different beat change. I still with that. Like me and Demaris were jamming out to that. I think it's great. But that's something that I feel like maybe we don't use our internal team. This is a moment and this is something Mike Will specializes in. Take that to Mike Will. But I'm still on board. Board track 8. Still on board 9. Drum and bass with it. I think it's great. I'm already ready to text you because at this point, I don't know, maybe it's like 12:45. When I get to track 9. I'm ready to FaceTime you to tell you that Cole's the greatest rap of all time. It's just. I don't even want to hear you say a word about Jermaine Cole for the rest of your life. Then the let out played and I Didn't survive the let out.

[Peach]

Will we survive the let out? Will we survive the let out?

[Baby D]

I didn't survive the let out. What a concept and what a way to kill it. So the highs are so high on this album, and the lows are some of the lowest Cole has ever had. And I don't want anyone that's a Dreamville fan or part of that clique to take that as a personal thing. I am a fan of you guys. Love to talk about your fans. I'm one of them. And I can be objective because I've been a supporter since he was at fucking St. John's with Aristotle and my cousin Harley. It's one of the worst songs Cole has made. But I don't even want to highlight that because there's so much good going on. But we have to be objective in what's going on. That and then the. The. The electric. It. Nevermind.

[Peach]

You know what I hate? I hate the let out too. I hate the let out too. But what I will say is, from what I've seen on the Internet and what people have responded to me, so many people love the let out, which lets me know that it might be like. Like, kind of like Laffy Taffy. Like, I hated Laffy Taffy.

[Baby D]

That's a wild comparison.

[Peach]

No, I hate it. Laffy Taffy. But it's so catchy and so many people love it. Then maybe. Maybe. Maybe I'm wrong, because a lot of people seem to either love it or hate it. It garners a strong reception from people. It's the one song from the album that's stuck in my fucking head, even though I hate the song.

[Rory]

So the let out.

[Peach]

Yes.

[Rory]

What's the hook on that?

[Peach]

Will we survive the let out?

[Rory]

Oh, no. Okay, okay, okay.

[Baby D]

Yield your time. It's not your go.

[Peach]

I'm.

[Rory]

Let me stop. I just.

[Peach]

That is.

[Rory]

I'm not good with titles, but what you say. Start saying it. I'm like, okay, all right.

[Peach]

Okay.

[Baby D]

What disappointed me the most with that, though? Sure. I'm sure people love the song. I'm speaking for me and me only if a majority of people love it and I hate it. Cole did his job with the record as an artist. That concept is too good of what he was trying to do with that record to make it sound like how it sounded like. I would love a. A cold let out record record, but not that one. It was. It was just a lot. It was a lot going on. Like, a lot. Then we get to bombs in the ville. Hit the gas. I'M with Damaris. That hit the gas. The flip. That's one of my favorite parts in. In the. In the double disc period. And Lonely at the Top. I love at this point. I'm pretty confident in everything. And I'm very pleased and happy off my first listen. And with disc 29, the let out threw me off a little bit, but it's cool. Maybe. Maybe that one will grow on me. I'm just speaking from my first listen perspective.

[Rory]

Grow, not a shower. The let out.

[Baby D]

Being a grower, not a shower. Sometimes that's me at the let out. Like, yo, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Let me get comfortable. It's all right. It's cold in here.

[Baby D]

Let me take this honey pack.

[Rory]

All right, man. I said I wasn't going to r. My bad.

[Baby D]

I prefer this type of my bad. I'm sorry. 39 intro comes in and I said, oh, this. This about to be the classic disc. I said, I, I this 29 I really with. But Cole is about to take us to a whole new level. This is his perspective right now. That beat switched. He start rapping. Shout out to Coleman. 39 intro. One of the highest highs on this entire thing. And then the next record, which we've gotten already. The fall off is Inevitable is what it was called Track 2. Now it's called the Fall off is Inevitable. I don't know if he's just that much of a prophet, but the fall off for the double disc was inevitable after that.

[Peach]

Oh, please. Okay.

[Baby D]

Not out the gate though. The Village is cool. Do you think I ever don't want to hear J. Cole rap over the realest? This is where he starts adding in all the unnecessary hooks, classic hooks that mean nothing to the song and make no sense. Erykah Badu and the Alchemist just redid the realness. So if you're getting Erykah Badu to go back on the realness after she just put out a single, just get an Erykah Badu hook. Don't take one of the greatest hooks of all time, which I'm fine. If you want to sample this. Is this part of your Your concept? I'm not mad at sampling that, but why me? And you just have Erica Badu make a new hook hook. If you're gonna get Erykah Badu, just get her to do the hook. Don't just take out cast hook. That has nothing to do with what the we're really talking about. Riding around in the villa is the only thing you switched. It just was. It was weird. I didn't Understand why placing that hook there. But still didn't kill the song for me. I still love the verses. I love Cole on that. Then you get to Old dog. I love T minus. So I want to make sure this is not a. A, A shot.

[Rory]

Right.

[Baby D]

I think T minus should collab with somebody else on the beat. Except for Cole.

[Rory]

T minus should collab with somebody else.

[Baby D]

Like T minus and Wonder should go in on that beat.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Peach]

Okay.

[Baby D]

The idea is there. I. Even with the Petey Pablo. Even with the flip of what she was doing after. I hated the. The the Elevators flip that you just did. I wasn't even mad at the Petey Pablo. Matter of fact, I thought it was funny with our predictions. I was like, nobody was there for Petey Pablo. He shows up on the album. I like Petey's part. Yeah, that beat just needed it. Needed the A list feel that Cole has. I. I just felt like it was a weird choice. Life sentence. I'm never gonna sit here and. On someone loving their wife. The we doing, though.

[Peach]

What are you talking about? What? Okay, I. I yield the floor. I'm sorry.

[Rory]

Okay, okay. All right. We gave each other space to speak. All right.

[Baby D]

Correct me if wrong. This is the one that has the DMX how's it going down hook on it, right?

[Peach]

Yeah, that's the one.

[Baby D]

Yeah. When the beat came in, it was cool. I was like, all right, Little chipmunk sound click era. I'm not mad at this yet. Cole told about his wife. I'm never gonna hit on that. Just why. Why randomly just throw in the DMX how's it going down down hook into that song. Like, just why? I get sampling the hooks and this and that, but you're just placing them in the most random.

[Peach]

How is that?

[Baby D]

I don't want to use the word lazy, but it's just late. Like, I don't think there's anything wrong when artists do that. I defend everything Jay does when he takes big lyrics and flips them. I'm not mad at artists doing that at all. And I'm never mad at Cole doing my. With dmx. But that song. Why are we just throwing the how's it going down hook there?

[Peach]

What do you said? It doesn't.

[Rory]

It's just.

[Peach]

You think it doesn't apply to the song. That what the song is about? The song is about being down with him from when he was younger. How does it not. What types of games be playing? Like, is you with me or what? It's literally about his wife being with him from the Very beginning of his career. How does it not correlate? You could not like the song. I just don't know.

[Baby D]

It's cool.

[Peach]

All right. You just said.

[Baby D]

I'm not going to argue. I'm just not going. I'm not. I feel like anyone that feels the same way as me understands what I'm saying, and I'm not here to. To argue down why. That just felt weird and lazy in there. The same way I felt like the elevator's hook felt a little lazy in that song. I understand it's the concept, but how the concept is working is you're just like plastering classic hooks in these songs and it just doesn't fit with them to. To me.

[Peach]

Okay.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Baby D]

And who the am I like? It doesn't matter how I feel as far as jcole and putting an album out. That's just how I felt on that part. Only you absolutely love it. Love how he used burna boy. Only you was fire man above. I don't know, man. Maybe I just spent too much time in church.

[Rory]

Excuse me.

[Baby D]

Just. Just take. Just take the never. I'm sure there's a bunch of people that are cold fans that have never heard Marvin Sapp never would have made it. But I like, it's just. It's just like pasted into the song randomly because I like the song. And then never would have made it comes on. I'm like, wait, did someone change the record? Are they trying to blend this? It's. It's just pasted there, right? It's weird. But I like the song. He already has the Jenny from the block hook in there. That's cool.

[Peach]

Cool.

[Baby D]

Like, it wasn't even necessary to me because the record is fire and I'm not even mad at the Jenny from the block. That's a hook that actually made sense. And how he used it like it didn't feel weird, but still great rapping. I love her again. Flawless. Shout out to Jake1 if there's anyone that's going to continue on the legacy of I used to love her and tell us about to continue that story the next chapter. I used to love her came out with 90 something. So much has happened in hip hop. So much has shifted. I thought Cole was the perfect person to then tell the rest of that story. I absolutely love. I love her again. I like that he used the light instead. I'm glad he didn't just use I used to love her like, randomly in there. I'm gonna save what if for for most time. Quick stop fire. The Whole world is deville is cool to me. I, I think I overly judged that one. Because if we're believing Cole, that this is his last album ever, that wasn't a. My first song. Like, when Jay lied about the Black Album being his last album, we got my first song. To me, that's a. And this is me saying, I hold J. Cole to hov Being a peer. Like, Cole is a legend now, so I hold him to that status as a fan. It was. It just didn't hit for, like, the last song of your career. I don't dislike it. I think out of the second album, it's. It's like, you know, maybe my third favorite on there. It's just a weird way to end it. And Ocean Way, you call it a bonus track, so I'm not calling it the outro. I like Ocean Way, but, I mean, I don't consider that your last song because you said it was a bonus abstract.

[Rory]

Right?

[Baby D]

So I, I, that's. I don't know if that's unfair, but I think as hip hop fans, we're allowed to judge things in that way. If you're telling me it's your last album, I gotta know what your last song is gonna be. Right. Like, that's important to me, even. Well, when he lied to us, my first song off the concept of, like, I treat everything as if it's my first song. It's my last song. And, like, listen, man, Hop in the house seat on his bicycle. Now he's the head of black music. The whole world's not the ville.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Peach]

So what I'm hearing from you is that on disc 39, you did not like the Villas. You didn't like Old Dog. You didn't like.

[Baby D]

Nope. You're misrepresenting me. I like the records. I think they were ruined by the concept of trying to crudely paste classic hooks into the them. I think the songs themselves, the raps, are amazing, and I wish somebody else would have stepped in to make those hooks. Okay, I, I think. Well, I'll save one point because it's a conversation Maul and I had about the hook thing. So, So I, I'll save that part so we can have that full conversation after Maul speaks. I. I feel like Cole, in the very few faults that he has, is when he just tries to do everything. And I think that's worked out okay with him because he is a genius in his own right. But when you're making 24 records. Nah, man. We need some hope. Yeah, we need some hope. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but I, I can even hear it as a Cole fan, that I know it. I wasn't really joking when I'm hearing Cole cry like a baby. Like, just get a baby. Like, if you're going that, like that length. Yeah, that length to make sure you're doing everything. I think when you're trying to do a double disc, that may hinder you a bit like this. Also, if you go through Cole's last three albums, like, has he been the main producer? Off season was he. Don't quote me, but there was a time that was always an early critique of J. Cole was Cole, you're one of the greatest rappers we've ever heard. I know you're trying to do the Kanye thing, but maybe let other people do the beats. And I think he listened to that for a long time. And I'm not mad at anyone wanting to go, but it's your career if you want to go back to your passion of making beats. Beats. He did say that in that clip from the doc that came out, like, he saw T minus cooking up on the road. He's like, y' all forgot how much I used to love making beats. I want to focus on that. I respect that, dog. But 24. 24 records, even big and Puff needed to Hitman, like, you're gonna need, like, help.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

We're gonna all eyes on me. We don't need dads. We're gonna need Trey. We're gonna need Nate. We're gonna need a lot of people to really bring this to life, because it's, it's. That's a task, though.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

10 Records is a task. I, I think that's where the second disc, to me was a little off. You trying to do everything, and it's like, all right, well, then I'll just paste this, this hook here, right? That's already proven. And I just think Cole is better than that. That's all. But disc 29, I love, outside of the let out, I, I, I love dis 29.

[Peach]

So are you 39?

[Baby D]

There's a few records. And again, Old Dog, like, I'm not mad at the, like, I don't skip that record. I just feel like it could have been better with the resources that jcole has and the resources that T minus has as well. Because I, I don't want to take. I think T minus is one of the best underrated producers. We said that last episode. I, I, yeah, I just think so.

[Peach]

Were you disappointed as A Cole fam.

[Baby D]

It's too much to digest in one weekend and say disappointed. Let me say. No, no, I'm not disappointed. I just don't know if two discs for me was necessary. Okay, I can't speak obviously for J. Cole. It's his decision. For all the dream though listeners out there. I'm not saying what he should have done. Telling as a consumer how I felt.

[Peach]

You don't have to two step.

[Baby D]

Yes.

[Peach]

Okay.

[Commercial Voice]

Who's two stepping?

[Peach]

It's okay just to give your opinion. You don't have to.

[Baby D]

Since when is it okay to just give you. They put my mother's address on. On the Internet. What you. Wait, what are you talking about? Just give your opinion. Have you seen what they've done to this man? You could just give your opinion. Yeah, right.

[Rory]

Oh, my God. That's funny.

[Peach]

Well, JCole figure had to move a.

[Baby D]

Shotgun out of storage cuz I gave a music opinion.

[Peach]

Jcole doesn't really have the lunatic fans like that. I don't think his fans are that luna. Like, I don't think they're as crazy.

[Baby D]

As the rest of them, but that's because they didn't need to be. And now if you've seen what the stand game is different now. And I think co fans are competitive enough to compete. They're gonna show out this. What y' all doing now? I bet we'll see. And they claim to be more intelligent, so they're gonna hack you like iclouds. They're gonna go nuts.

[Peach]

Okay, Ma, don't piss me off, please.

[Baby D]

Wait. Before it goes. Did I piss you off? Was that. Did that feel like an honest review from someone you know very well?

[Peach]

That was. I actually feel like you're being nicer than you want to be. The only reason why I stopped you was when I just. I was trying to get you to. I just was confused on how life sentence and that. How those two songs didn't correlate. That's the only reason why I stopped you. Your opinion is your opinion. You could like or not like just.

[Baby D]

A lazy thing to me.

[Peach]

Okay, it could be lazy, but I just didn't understand.

[Baby D]

I even think the way Cole is rapped about the beautiful relationship he has with his. His wife in the past, compared to that was lazy.

[Peach]

You didn't feel him when he said, I'm doing you dirty, but, like, not as bad as I could be. And that. That made me feel better.

[Baby D]

You ain't feel him when. When I was this 29, I may have felt him, but I'm a change, man. Look at the range, man.

[Peach]

You got a whole new game plan. Jamal.

[Rory]

Damn, Jamal is crazy. That's my name.

[Baby D]

But damn, both J's. Jermaine and Jamal.

[Rory]

Well, I love. I love what both of y' all said because I kind of echo a lot of y' all sentiments as well. I will say this. I think J. Cole is a phenomenal rapper, phenomenal mc, one of the best that I've ever heard. I think that this album, because we've been anticipating this probably, what, eight years.

[Peach]

Now, almost 10, right.

[Rory]

After having a weekend to live with it. And I did listen to it a lot over the weekend. Just let it play, let it run. I was underwhelmed. So many years of anticipation for this project, for this album. I was underwhelmed. Again, I'm not an emcee. I'm not a rapper. I can never do what J. Cole does. So I don't want to disrespect.

[Baby D]

Sorry.

[Peach]

That's.

[Baby D]

He was quiet during your time.

[Peach]

I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. This. I was trying to play the song to figure out if Rory was right, but that's.

[Baby D]

That's unfair. He showed a lot of respect.

[Peach]

He was sorry. I'm literally sorry. I accidentally pressed play on my phone. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

[Rory]

It's okay.

[Baby D]

You were saying?

[Rory]

I was saying underwhelmed. I was underwhelmed. I think that I overlooked a lot of J. Cole's flaws over the years. When it comes to song making, when it comes to album making, I think a lot of these hooks were, like Rory said, lazy. I'm never questioning J. Cole's ability to rap and to bar you down, he's one of the best to do that. But when you say album time, this is album mode now. We gotta get into song making. We gotta get into replay value. We gotta get into, you know, those type of things. When it's an album.

[Baby D]

Album.

[Rory]

I think a lot of these songs, the hooks weren't. Weren't. We're not holding up the bars. He used a lot of sample hooks. Even the Bunts Road. I think that's the one with Tim's In Future. I love that record.

[Baby D]

Fire.

[Rory]

Why do you have future singing Usher like, song on there?

[Baby D]

Like, I just gave up. He gave a bar in the beginning, right? It was just like.

[Peach]

Yeah, it was. And then he switched it. Yeah, Seven. All he said was the seven o' clock on the dot. And then he switched it.

[Rory]

Yeah, but I just stand. I didn't like that. I think if you gonna use huge on a record, let it just be a. A whole different. Like we never heard a lot of this. Just felt like we heard we the. The parts we. Because there's some good moments on this album. It's some good moments.

[Baby D]

Very high highs.

[Peach]

What would the. What would the good moments be for you? What do you think?

[Rory]

I think Bunch Road is dope. Who the is you is cool. I just don't want to keep saying who the is you? I think it's rapping on there. Which one is the. I can't. You know, I'm terrible.

[Peach]

Sing it a little bit, baby.

[Rory]

Do the ride of me. They ain't designing this Charlie Riding Me. Whatever song that was his flow on that was crazy. He was borrowing you down. I didn't like the hook. Like I said, I'm never expecting J. Cole to not rap his ass off. He could do that. It's always when it comes time to song making and is the hook strong as the bars. And to me it's like Rory said, who's in the studio with you and you're creating. Cause I think if you listen to one of his art like a Jid. Why wasn't Jid? I think Jid should have been used more in this album making process, not bars. Cause J. Cole don't need that, just song making. Cause Jid is.

[Baby D]

Jid does great hook by the way.

[Rory]

A very well rounded artist as he could rap his ass off. But even his hooks are strong. I just think you need to have certain inspiration to certain artists that you have in close proximity too when you're making these projects. Like again, I don't know what Cole's song making and album making process looks like. I don't know who's in there with him. I'm just saying. I. It's okay. Like what we said to just the guys. That's again your camp still somebody like Jid have him in there just to listen to some songs and some records and give his opinion here and there.

[Baby D]

We saw that with Boss on the off season. Yeah, Boss did like seven hooks on the off season.

[Rory]

And that's.

[Baby D]

I don't. Incredible.

[Rory]

I'm not mad at that. When it comes make songmaking again bars. I'm never questioning Jermaine Cole's ability to bar you down. But he never.

[Baby D]

This is the first time I think that flaw kind of came back because I. I think it sideline story which I don't put all on him. I think he was pressured a lot with rock and it just being in that era where you needed to have this smash R B singer. And I don't put too much on him for that. No. But then four still drive. I think he started to get it. It correct on how he could balance that. Not making it too much him on. On hooks even when there wasn't a feature kod. I thought he got it right. And offseason. I thought he got it right. It's. It felt more born center and sideline story with the hooks on this one.

[Rory]

I mean, again, didn't love was some good moments on the album here and there. Do we need two discs? No. I think we could have taken this down and, you know, made one disc. Take the best off each disc. Cause again, we talk about you get into that space where it gets dangerous. You talking about two discs. You gotta be able to. Your song making, not your rapping ability. To have two discs, your song making ability has to be incredible. That means your hooks.

[Peach]

I agree.

[Rory]

Your bridges. That has to be incredible. You have to be able to do that at an incredible volume.

[Baby D]

Especially. I'm sorry to cut you off. Especially when you're someone like Cole. And that's not a slight. Y' all be clowning Kendrick on the funny voice. That does help break things up sonically. Like, Nikki is really great at that as well. Like, when you can rap that well, you do need to give the person's ear a break for a second. Like tone does matter. And I think 24 records big was. Was very much one of the greatest rap voices ever. Obviously had a bunch of different flows, but he knew how to break up the records. Where you would get a break from BIG It's a lot to digest when you're that good at rapping. And 24 records is just too much.

[Rory]

Yeah, it was to be that way. It was too much for the. For the hooks and the songs not to be, you know, as strong as they should have been for 24 tracks. The what if song.

[Peach]

Can I Take a bathroom Break? Y' all can keep talking.

[Baby D]

I left that one alone because I wanted to have this as a group talk.

[Rory]

Well, well, well. Let me. Let me. Let me get to you before I get into what if.

[Baby D]

Compliments.

[Rory]

Listen. Jcole phenomenal. MC Incredible. MC Penn is incredible. Rap is ass off. I just. It's just the hooks, man. The hooks. For me, it was just. It was. It was way too many moments of just like where the hooks felt lazy. It felt like, okay, let me just lean on this hook that people know that they already love to fill in here. It Felt like a lot of references, like a lot of reference hooks. Like, it felt like, let me put this here, but I'll go back and change it. We do know that J. Cole had to change some things on the album because of things that happened. He had to change some things around. What he had to change, we don't know. But I feel like gaps are there. We can kind of feel like where he was going to have bigger songs with bigger hooks. Had he had certain individuals on this album. I think that that was blatant. It was like. Because there's no. To me, there's no. I remember Demaris saying, he gonna have a bop. I don't know if I hear a bop on him. Who the fuck is you? Is cool, but it's just too much. Who the fuck. It's just the same repetitive. It's like, again, to me that's. That when you have a pin like J. Cole to repeat who the fuck is you? As many times as a hook. To me, again, I can't do what J. Cole does, but to me, as a listener, that just feels lazy. It feels like, oh, let me just repeat this over and over as the hook. I don't know if I hear a bop on it. I don't know if I hear something that I'm going to want to hear and ride to. And I don't know if I hear that again. The music on is. Like I said, there's some moments on. It's some good moments on this, on this. On this project, but I don't think it's nothing that sustains and nothing that I'm going to want to keep going back to.

[Peach]

Not one song.

[Baby D]

Oh, there's plenty of songs I'm going back to.

[Rory]

I like Munch Road a lot.

[Peach]

How do you feel about drum and bass?

[Rory]

Which one is that?

[Peach]

Well, we talk that drum and bass, you to.

[Rory]

That's cool. That's cool. But again, I'm just not. I'm not in love with it, but it's cool. It's cool.

[Peach]

So you're disappointed as well?

[Rory]

Not disappointed. Underwhelmed.

[Peach]

Okay.

[Rory]

For me to be anticipating this project for almost 10 years, I just feel like we've gotten albums from other artists in the past year that was better than this. And I don't think any of those guys could probably rap as good as J. Cole. You get what I'm saying? So again, that just leads to song making ability and album making ability. Too much Cole. I think, again, the double diss thing, we talked about that when we first Heard it was gonna be double. That's tricky. You in dangerous waters when you start talking about 20 plus tracks. Breaking it up into two different albums or whatever. Not many can do that. But again, good moments. I don't want to seem like I'm just shitting on the album. Cause I'm not. There's some good moments on there, obviously.

[Baby D]

Obviously.

[Rory]

Good rapping, great rapping. Just the songs don't really, you know, not. Not enough songs hold me and sustained the My listen to where I'm like, nah, this shit is crazy. But it was some good moments on there. It was some good moments. Now to what if. Cause I spoke. I spoke about it. I said I felt like J. Cole should address the situation in depth that he went through. Because obviously it was. It was a big moment and, you know, his role in it. I felt like he gave us kind of glimpses into it on Was it Port Antonio? Something like that gave us glimpses into it. But I felt like he should have used this album to really get into his emotion around that whole thing, his thinking around that whole moment. Things he may feel towards both of those gentlemen, even today. I feel like he should have used some of this album on that. The what if thing. I didn't like it only because again, we apologizing and it's like, why? Like, first of all, that's not even your era. You didn't know Pac and Big. I could understand if Jay Z made a song like this.

[Baby D]

Nas made We Will Survive.

[Rory]

I couldn't understand if Nas made a song like this. He did. It was on the right. J. Cole, I get it. Fans of both of those MCs probably has real feelings like, damn, I wish that didn't happen. Because obviously we lost two of the best around some shit. But then tried to curate it in a way where he kind of was talking about how he felt in his moment of battling one of his brothers or one of his friends and things like that. And I felt like that was just kind of. Again, that was a lazy attempt at addressing, you know, his own situation in the industry and in rapping and battling and how it could turn negative and ugly and, you know, it could go away, that you don't want it to go again. J. Cole is a great mc, great writer. I just felt like he used that moment the wrong way.

[Peach]

Where did you feel like he was using his own?

[Rory]

Well, when things. When you said, like, you know.

[Baby D]

They'Re.

[Rory]

So uncomparable, I would apologize. I should have apologized. You know, you still. My. Some. Some shit he said where I. I kind of felt like that was him talking to Drake. Like, that was like a bar. Like, you know, obviously, I know he's gonna hear this again. I understand he's talking as Pac and talking as Big, but again, we know the moment that he was in, in his own battle in rap. I feel like that was kind of like a little, you know, okay, that's you talking. I understand you talking as Big and Pac, but that's J. Cole talking to Drake right there.

[Baby D]

Which part exactly?

[Peach]

I miss my dog I ain't gotta hide if I hurt you, I apologize.

[Rory]

That part.

[Peach]

Okay.

[Rory]

You get what I'm saying?

[Baby D]

Like, obviously, I don't know if. If that's the case. I. I still would have been mad at this song, but I would have understood it more if he did a third verse. Speaking as jcole and the situation he went through, if we're going to address people apologizing to each other, like, I would have still hated that you did the Big perspective and Pac perspective. But if you did the third verse as J. Cole to show like, okay, this is what if they would have apologized and then gave your perspective everything thing, like, all right. At least he tied it all together. This is a cop out to me. I. I actually do feel. And I. I'm speculating. Call me an idiot, I'm fine with that. I think at some point in the studio, jcole had an idea of doing a song like this from the perspective of Drake and the perspective of Kendrick. And then his third verse would be his perspective in the same concept of a. What if they apologized to each other? What if that shit didn't happen?

[Rory]

Thank God he didn't do that.

[Baby D]

And I think that would have been worse. And I think. And I agree. And I think somebody said, bro, don't do that. And he liked the concept so much that he was like, I'll do it as pocking big. And I think it even came out 10 times worse.

[Rory]

Yeah. Cause it's not. There's no coincidence that he did this, right? We know that battle.

[Baby D]

I could be a thousand percent wrong.

[Rory]

I'm just speculating off what this is, but I'm just. But just the climate and how it looks. Obviously we lost these two MCs over what people think it was because of the battle. It was a lot deeper than just the battle. But I understand what Cole was doing with this. Again, I just think that his. He has such a huge moment that he could have spoken about more in depth on this album. And he didn't do that to me, like, I just felt like, you know, even on the other one. What's the one where he sampled the. The common joint.

[Peach]

I love her again I love her again. I think that that was more of a address than anything else.

[Rory]

You know, he quoted. He quoted.

[Baby D]

He said two of my friends were beefing. Whatever. Whatever happened with that?

[Rory]

Like, again, you could have used more. You could have went in into depth more. We get it. She told me.

[Baby D]

I wasn't mad at just a quick, quick mention of that in that record. I wouldn't want to fool. I'd rather the what if that I am.

[Rory]

Because I think that he needs to speak to that more.

[Baby D]

I'm saying I'd rather that and what.

[Peach]

If than when he said that was.

[Baby D]

About overall hip hop, not just.

[Rory]

She was the best I ever had.

[Peach]

Yeah. The type of games is why two of my homies started to beef to both of them. She said, you're the best I ever had in the whole time. That was saying. Saying that type of. To me.

[Rory]

Exactly.

[Baby D]

I like that. He just left it at that.

[Peach]

Yeah, I don't mind that.

[Baby D]

I thought that was perfectly fine when.

[Peach]

It comes to what if. So I listened. I only listened to the first diss first because I wanted to digest them as two different discs. Listen to the first disc. And then I went on the Internet and people started talking about what the concept of what if. So when I got to the second diss, I skipped what if. I didn't hear what if till damn near Sunday. And I was talking to somebody, and they were like, why? You haven't heard it yet? And I was like. And they were like, why? I'm like, because no matter how well he executes this, it's gonna be bad. Like, there's no. It's gonna be bad no matter how. And I think that he executed. Executed it better than other people who have done it just because of his rapping ability. But you're not the person who does this. Like, you're making it. I literally said to the person who told me that he's making it hard for me to go into work on Monday as a J. Cole fan, because it's like, I've been through enough. I don't need. You know, I've been through enough. I, like, I don't need to have to go into work as a J. Cole fan.

[Rory]

Cause, and again, I'm a fan, too. But you, like, really love Cole, are you? Do you love this album?

[Peach]

Give me one second. Let me finish what I was saying.

[Baby D]

And I have one More thing with what if you have.

[Peach]

Yeah, but I was just gonna say, well, what if gives to me, or not even what it gives to me, just what it gives generally that I have to come in here and fucking defend is. See, guys, if they would've apologized like I did, they'd still be alive. That's what it gives to me. And it makes me want to choke myself. So it's like, why, why, why? That's nasty. Why? You know what I'm saying? Like, you making my job hard.

[Baby D]

That's a perfect way. I wanted to get with. With with my point. Because even if that wasn't Cole's intentions.

[Peach]

That'S how it came across.

[Baby D]

I'm sure Cole's not listening, but Cole, it came across that way. Even if there's plenty of things I say on here that come across so blatantly and I'm like, in my head, I'm like, I didn't mean it that way. And everyone, including you guys, are like, that's how you sound. Yeah, that happens. I'm saying this came across nasty and weird and it feels like. Like you're trying to compare it. Like you took the higher road and look what could have become. And the difference is it's apples and bowling balls. This started deep when people were dying, people were being shot. It wasn't somebody teasing you on a metro beat. Like, it's a drastically different scenario. That can't be comparable. Cole even saying that first line as Big to me was like the most offensive thing that all of a sudden Big would have been like, Big should have been like, yo, man, I know you said you my wife, but yo, we should. We should end this, right? Like, what this.

[Peach]

We gotta stop speaking from the perspective of dead people.

[Baby D]

Like, that's what Big should have done.

[Peach]

This is disrespectful.

[Baby D]

And like, it's. It's like offensive hindsight. Like that Big should have been like, you know what? You right. And matter of fact, Big handled that better than any 24 year old on earth would have handled that situation.

[Peach]

Also.

[Baby D]

I know. I thought. I just thought what if was. Was one of the. When I said some of the highest highs were cold and some of the lowest lows, and it sucks because the.

[Peach]

Rapping is so good.

[Baby D]

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[Baby D]

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[Rory]

Whatever. You know the interesting part about the what if song is is that is Cole talking. What if. What if I stayed in the battle? What if things were different in that moment and in listening to a lot of Cole? Cause I've been waiting for this album only because I wanted to listen to literally everything Cole said. And to me so much more makes it makes so much more sense to me now why Cole did what he did on this album. He speaks to commitment issues. He speaks to being a sidewalk, meaning he never wanted to jump in traffic, never wanted to be in the streets.

[Baby D]

He's always been that way though. I don't mean that he's always said that, which I've always appreciated, but it.

[Rory]

Makes it makes more sense now coming off of everything like, there it is. Like, okay, cool. I have no problem with it. I just Never paid attention to it that much before 2024, because we didn't have that moment after 2024. Now, if he says that, I'm like, okay, I get it now. Like, that that was never you. That was never who you are. And I can't be mad at that. Be your true self if that's not who you are. No problem there. My only issue is I feel like everything post that it speaks to, again, this is just my thoughts looking from the outside, looking in. I think that J. Cole is forever stuck in that Dream Fest apology moment. Mentally, I don't. Never spoke to him, never had a personal. But I think that that moment. I think if he had that moment to do over again, he would do it differently. Only because I think so, too. Only because all he had to do was what he's incredible at doing. Literally.

[Baby D]

I disagree because. And I was gonna ask my flowers at the end from Demerit from the record she loves. Caught a lot of bodies so my closet, it got skeletons don't believe me? Call your favorite rapper for the evidence. I told y' all my theory two years ago on stage when he brought up his family. And, yo, I'm not playing. I'm not playing this mess. I've been on tour with everybody. They know all my shit.

[Peach]

I think you miss well, you know, we all interpret bars differently, but that's.

[Baby D]

Why I caught a lot of bodies. So my closet, it got skeletons don't believe me? Call your favorite rapper for the fuck evidence.

[Peach]

Called a lot of bodies as in, like, I cleaned a lot of up. Don't believe me Call your favorite rapper for the evidence Because I've been on songs with y' all favorite rappers and clean them up. But again, we all interpret bars differently, go both ways.

[Rory]

It could be two things.

[Baby D]

He had. He had a combo with Kendrick. Combo. Jake, there's a. I have no idea. Had a combo with them, saw where was going and said, oh, nah. He's talked about infidelity. He's talked about all this. I'm not saying anything that he hasn't talked about in his music. And I'm not trying to bring up, oh, everyone moves on and becomes better people. I'm not on just J. Cole, but I think that line is directly, directly, directly to the point I made after Dreamboat Fest when he said, you know, I got a family now, though I'm not even trying to do this type of. I don't want to. Yeah, I know where y' all about to take it. Y' all about to go into the personal.

[Rory]

I don't even want to hear if that's the case. I even look at that like, that's a simple conversation. Like, that was before we got married and all that. Like, if a somebody, yo, you was mad. I'm like, that was before. Like, that's not. To me, that's lazy. That's a lazy excuse. Like, I don't. I don't believe that. And if that was. That's crazy. If that was your reason for doing what you was doing, I don't want wifey to know I be you, J. Cole. You think your wife don't know you got from other women.

[Baby D]

All right, well, let's. Let's all relax on that personal part.

[Rory]

I'm just saying. I'm not saying it's true. I'm just saying if a rapper says it. You think your wife can be like, word.

[Baby D]

Okay, now, you're one of the dopest.

[Rory]

MCs of your generation. I'm pretty sure you got groupies.

[Baby D]

Let's use Mr. Morale as an example where as. Yes, everyone thought that. And I'm sure that was tough conversations that Kendrick and Whitney had to have when he was about to tell the world that he had been and cheated on her. Infidelities, sex addicted. The whole. I'm saying Kendrick got ahead of that, and he told us that. We all look at Cole, especially Cole fans, as, like, squeaky clean. I don't think it's about me. You think that you interrupted me.

[Rory]

You know how many times he interrupted me every day?

[Baby D]

And I'm sorry.

[Rory]

I'm getting better at trying to get better at. You think that Kendrick did talk to his wife before he went in the booth and told us what he told. You think that was her first time hearing?

[Peach]

That's what he just said.

[Rory]

So how you know that Cole didn't do that with his finish?

[Baby D]

My point. I'm saying that it has nothing. I'm sure Cole has talked to his wife about that stuff. I'm saying the perception of Cole has been this squeaky clean. It would devastate a lot of his fan base in the world if you angled it correctly in a rap beef to show the false prophet shit you've been saying everyone else. A false fucking prophet. Don't, dog. Everything you've been saying on your albums is a lie because you did this on tour. And I'm not saying any of this is true. But. And we clearly know that in this rap beef, things were said that were not true whatsoever, and everything was on the table. We can Lie. Make up anything. You don't think somebody could angle Cole based off one little thing? Maybe they saw on tour that he already talked to his wife about. That could not skew the perception of the world, of how they view him. They just. Half the world did the same thing to Drake. They view him differently now.

[Rory]

You're right. You're absolutely right.

[Baby D]

So I think Cole was like, y' all going there. I think getting the out of here, dog, That's.

[Rory]

To me, that's corny.

[Peach]

Well, we've had this conversation.

[Rory]

That is the angle, right? Say. Say what he's saying is true. That means I don't battle.

[Baby D]

That means, like, nah, that's a choice.

[Rory]

I don't want nobody hearing that about me. What are we talking about? You one of the illest. Like, and again, back to my original point.

[Baby D]

People with the squeaky clean brands need to do that.

[Rory]

Listen, and he ain't got no squeaky clean nothing.

[Baby D]

He's every man. He's in a Honda Civic right now.

[Peach]

Okay, well, back. Back to.

[Rory]

Back to my original point.

[Peach]

Yes.

[Rory]

I think that J. Cole mentally will never get over his decision he made that day. I don't think he will.

[Peach]

Okay.

[Rory]

And when I said what I said to 24 about career suicide, and everybody's like, nah, you bugging. I'm not talking about album sales and selling tickets. I'm talking about the meaning behind his words now, the validity behind his pen, how other MCs view him. I don't think that none of that. I think all of that is over with. He talked about killing his own self, his old self on the album.

[Baby D]

I don't do that because that was the.

[Rory]

That's about killing his old self.

[Baby D]

That's like the Kill Jay Z intro. Like, I understood what he was saying.

[Rory]

About killing his old self. His old.

[Baby D]

He doesn't even like this. He want to be part of this whole thing. Like, I don't.

[Rory]

So why we. Why are we here?

[Baby D]

You're allowed to feel that way at this point in your career.

[Rory]

Like, but that's. That's. Again, that leads to his decision in the back. It's too much of this. I respond. I take it back. I want to be a part of this shit. Nah, I don't want to be a part of this shit. Like, bro, we just talking about rapping and making music here, bro. Like, I don't understand why we putting all of this extra. Like, it's not that deep.

[Baby D]

Which.

[Rory]

Whatever battle y' all was about to have, whatever conversation you had with Kendrick, like, nothing to me, was that deep to where Cole couldn't just be who. Cole is a phenomenal MC through all of that shit.

[Baby D]

And I hear you. But where the contradiction would come is the hindsight being 20 20. And I don't think Cole is that so raven and predicted all that. But you rightfully so have come up here that this has crossed a line. No, it's not just rapping anymore. Somebody was called something that is inexcusable in the world. Like, you come up here, said all that.

[Rory]

Everything else to me was cool.

[Baby D]

So you're saying Cole like, nah, bro, it's just rapping. No, it wasn't. Because you just came in here and said that with drinking.

[Rory]

But that to me, was the only line that was crossed. That to me was the only line. Like, what? All right, fam. Now you just saying anything if. If that's what you doing. Like, all right, fam. To me, that again, I said that through the whole thing, but just battling and then now I think forever. Like, your words, like, you even. You hear it in them. The confidence don't even. It's not even there no more. Everything is like. It's almost victim mentality. Honestly. Like, he's almost rapping as from the perspective of a victim. Like, I don't even want this success. I don't even want this. I don't even want.

[Peach]

But that's not. But this isn't Cole's first rapping.

[Guest Speaker]

Not.

[Rory]

But coming off of what he did, it means. And it feels different now.

[Baby D]

So.

[Rory]

And that was my point. Everything from that moment, which is why I said if he had to do it over again, he. It's a different. It's a different decision he makes. Because again, I think mentally. Mentally, because he knows how dope he is. He's stuck in that a moment. Like, I should have just barred. I should have just jumped in there and just got my up. Because that's. This is what you do, dude. This is the easiest in the world for you to rap. No, a lot of can't rap with J. Cole. When we talk about just a hook, just bars. Are you kidding me?

[Baby D]

99.9.

[Rory]

Are you kidding me? And that's why I was so disappointed, because I was looking at it like, dog, this is what you do. This. We ain't talking about who make a better song, who make a better hook. We talking about who could put pen to paper and whoop ass.

[Peach]

Well, we're moving.

[Baby D]

But I mean, and. And that's kind of why I hate what if being on here completely and sorry, I know I cut you off because we're talking about this right now. Like, just. You should have just left the. Off the album so we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Kendrick or Drake would not have been brought up unless you on this podcast. Unless you did the what if.

[Rory]

What if what?

[Baby D]

What song. What song would I have brought up Kendrick or Drake on any of that?

[Peach]

Ma would have brought it up with the I love you again again. That would have got. It would have got.

[Baby D]

I thought. I don't think he'd be talking the way he's talking.

[Rory]

I'm not you again.

[Baby D]

We just came in with this apology what if? And it's not. It's, again, apples and bowling balls. Not even the same comparison. It's weird. You know. You know what you're doing, because this is going to make everyone want to focus on that. And I just thought it was done.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

That was another thing.

[Peach]

I'm like, if you're trying to get away from it, if you're not really going to openly address it like you had to. If you. If you're not going to openly address it, then leave what if off so.

[Baby D]

That we don't have to have I love you again. I thought what he addressed there was.

[Rory]

Perfect, because he's mentally never gonna get over that moment. I'm telling you, I can hear it in them. And I knew that was gonna. I'm like, when this all in my mind, I'm saying, when this all blows over, Cole is gonna look back one day and be like, nah, I fumbled that one. That was my opportunity to whoop ass. And then, and then, and then, right? Because this was something I noticed because I was waiting to see this, because everybody was like, nah, that's his man. If Kendrick is his man, why he ain't got the Kendrick songs on the album?

[Baby D]

Oh, I don't know if that's his.

[Peach]

Well, well, we all said that that would look corny. It would look corny.

[Rory]

It would. But why? But so what?

[Baby D]

Where I will agree backing out of.

[Rory]

The battle look corny. He did it. Who gives a if? Because people were saying, nah, that's his man. He ain't really want to go there with his man like that. Okay, no problem. If that's his man. No problem. Right, I understand. No problem. You don't want to get into it with your boy. Cool. Right? But how come them songs ain't on the album? Did Kendrick not clear the songs?

[Peach]

I don't think Cole wanted them on.

[Rory]

Yeah, I think he just scratched. I Mean we just, we just, we just sitting here kicking the.

[Baby D]

Or maybe there's those songs may be on here but they just took Kendrick verse off. That could be the case.

[Rory]

Okay. Why Kendrick versus ain't on the album?

[Baby D]

I think, I think the points that you brought up to me when I was arguing I would be fine with hearing them is the answer. I'm actually agreeing with what you said to me at that time. Time. It would. How crazy it would look.

[Peach]

It would, it would just. It will probably sound dated too. It would sound dated.

[Baby D]

Here's my thing where I will agree with Maul is I think disc 29 was recorded more in off season cold time. That feels like offseason cold to me. This 39 sounds like cold now. A little uninspired and may maybe a little timid like I, I, I, I do see what Maul is saying and again I could be wrong and this could have been recorded yesterday for all I know. But I can see the sheer difference between DIS 29 and DISC 39 with an inspired rapper. I'm. I'm been a fan of this my entire life. I can hear that. Oh, all right. Come on. That was funny.

[Rory]

He almost said the N word right there.

[Baby D]

Don't make this a clip.

[Rory]

He almost Baby D. We almost caught him. We almost got him.

[Baby D]

Hey, the greatest rapping. What do you say on there? I felt seen. No, I feel like my personal ears. I can hear the difference on the two and I feel like dis 29 was the stuff that was recorded when he was in a little a different space.

[Rory]

Exactly what I was afraid happened though.

[Peach]

Okay.

[Baby D]

Like did you like it?

[Peach]

Did you like it more than you thought you would?

[Rory]

No.

[Peach]

Oh wow.

[Rory]

I don't like it more than I thought I would.

[Peach]

You don't like it at all?

[Rory]

Not. Not at all. It's some good moments on this album. There's some good moments. I'm not saying the album is trash. Too much could have condensed it.

[Peach]

You say that with all double diss that aren't drinks.

[Rory]

That's tough to do. You gotta be a different. Your song making ability has to be different to carry double diss. Like that's just. We can put that over there. Your song making ability has to be different. But good moments. Again I'm never. We don't even have to talk about bars and rap happen. That's cemented just the production on some. The hooks were lackluster for me on most of the songs and whatever hooks are good. It's a flip. It's a sample It's a playoff of other songs that we already know and love. That's a cheat code. You know what I'm saying? It's like, of course we love that song. Of course we ain't gonna hate this hook. We love that record.

[Peach]

Did you feel excited when you heard 266? Wow. Wilding. 26 wilding. Did you hear, like, did you get excited? Cuz that hyped me up. And when I first heard that, I actually thought the album was going to sound a lot different than it did. I thought I was going to get a bop when I heard when the album opened like that.

[Baby D]

Again, apologies to all of Fville. I wasn't aware of what 26 meant because CO has not really said 26. I was confused when Drake said view some 6 the first time.

[Rory]

My bad.

[Baby D]

I wouldn't want them to do the two. Do a four still things. Isn't Drake from four Stills and he's from Forest Hills Drive? Make a Forest Hills record and then add Action Bronson to it. Like, I don't want the all the numbers 2 6. Everyone just naming their city Random out.

[Peach]

Of nowhere shout out to the 315.

[Baby D]

Y' all the Orangeman I'm out in.

[Peach]

315 real guys serving real pies and all right, my bad.

[Baby D]

I won.

[Peach]

My bad. I'm sorry.

[Baby D]

Was that. You were still good.

[Peach]

That was me.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Peach]

That was off the bat. Like, I was just off the top. Well, you asked me if I like the album as a cold fan. I do like the album as a cold fan. There are a lot of songs that I could do without, but the songs that I can do with, I love. So that makes a good album for me. If there's a couple songs I can do without, maybe like five of them on a 25, 24 album, I'm cool with that. I can do without five. On an album full of 24.

[Rory]

Only five.

[Peach]

Only five. And they would be. Yeah, we don't gotta do that. But yeah, I can. I can do without about five of them. But I love, love it. I. I absolutely love this 29. The five that I don't like. The majority of them are on disc 39. But yeah, like, I'm. Rory said he doesn't like. Doesn't really. With Old Dog and Life Sentence. I absolutely love them.

[Baby D]

Absolutely. I don't skip Old Dog. I just. I just think that that one could have been more of a bop. I think that could have hit a little different.

[Peach]

Okay. He should have took some of your beats.

[Baby D]

No, I'm not saying that. What? Whatsoever. I said Cole T. Minus. And these guys are geniuses with resources I don't have or deserve. Go. Go use. I don't have a line on Mike Will when I need a bass. Sometimes you just need some Mike Will.

[Rory]

But that is my.

[Baby D]

It's like sometimes you could make a beat and be like. Which I've. I've done with my. If you want to make that joke, I'll make a beat. Yo, can someone redo this? That's way better at this. To me. We're here. We're trying to get the best product. Not to prove that I could do it by myself.

[Peach]

Okay, I respect that.

[Rory]

You know what this album is like.

[Peach]

Don'T piss me off.

[Rory]

It's like when the girl make you wait, like, eight summers to give you some.

[Peach]

I knew he was gonna piss me off.

[Rory]

And then, like, it stink a little bit, but, like, it's not bad. It's not like you got a little, like.

[Baby D]

And you found out she hit 24 men that summer.

[Rory]

Like, that's what this is. Like. You still hit. I'm still gonna hit.

[Peach]

And it was some fire, but it just happened.

[Rory]

It got a little scent to it, though.

[Baby D]

It sounds like, I love her.

[Rory]

Too much red meat. Like, she got too much red meat on her diet. Need to up the veggies. You know what I'm saying? Too much.

[Peach]

Would you hit again?

[Baby D]

Everyone deserves second chances.

[Rory]

I hit again.

[Baby D]

Everyone deserves another dish.

[Rory]

I would hit again, but you wouldn't watch. But if it's. If it's still got that same. I'm cool, I'm off it. We ain't gonna keep doing that.

[Peach]

That.

[Rory]

Cuz I give you the pass. Like, all right. You know, we was. You know, I mean, maybe she didn't know we was going to get into the moment. You know what I'm saying? It's a little day off. A period might be coming fresh off or something.

[Peach]

I don't know.

[Baby D]

Spotting again.

[Rory]

Diet might. She might just, you know, mean too much red meat this month, but we going to give her some time to, you know, up her. Water intake, veggie intake, fresh fruit intake, spin back, and hopefully it's. You know what I mean?

[Peach]

Do you think this takes him out of.

[Baby D]

No. No to whatever you're about to say.

[Peach]

Okay.

[Rory]

Takes him out of what?

[Peach]

The conversation of some of the best rappers.

[Baby D]

J. Cole is still. No, he's one of the greatest rappers that's ever lived.

[Rory]

He's one of the best.

[Baby D]

Discography is still fucking amazing.

[Rory]

No, just making sure that Changes nothing. I just again, me.

[Baby D]

J. Cole is one of them ones.

[Rory]

Personally, I'm just underwhelmed for a project that we waited for for almost 10 years.

[Peach]

And it's like, I also think I get you. And I also think that, like, I said this before it came out. I was talking to somebody. I was like. He was like, are you excited about that? I'm gonna say yeah. But at the same time, I know that no matter what, I'll be disappointed. And what I mean by that is when the anticipation is that high, there's no way you meet it. Very rarely does anybody meet when the anticipation is that high. High no matter who the artist is.

[Baby D]

I mean, the anticipation was not.

[Rory]

I get what you're saying. Sometimes it. You'll fall short of the anticipation. But to me, he fell way short of the anticipation.

[Baby D]

Who's ever been in this anticipation scenario?

[Rory]

Yeah, this. This is one of the most anticipated albums probably ever in rap.

[Baby D]

Cuz even with, like, offseason was anticipated and the surprise and this and that. But like, like, it's a drastically different anticipation with everything that happened. So I don't even know because he delivered on all the anticipation of his last album, but this is different. Has any other rapper been in this? Like, I thought Jay delivered on anticipation after Lemonade and Solange beating him up in the elevator and we got 444. I thought he delivered there, but I still don't think the stakes were as. As high as this anticipation.

[Rory]

No, this. This again. This was. Again.

[Baby D]

I think it's this in. In. In Iceman where the. I can't think of another scenario where this.

[Peach]

I don't even think that people are anticipating Iceman the way that people were anticipating this.

[Rory]

I don't think so.

[Baby D]

I. I think you're. I think you're wrong, but they're anticipating in a different way.

[Rory]

It's a different.

[Baby D]

It's a different. It's the same anticipation in a different way. Some people are. A lot of people going in there can't wait to hate Iceman. Can't wait. They're gonna set their alarm clock to make sure they can.

[Rory]

Same in a lot of ways. There a lot of people that was anticipating this to happen hate or to love it again. He's given us this title eight, nine years ago.

[Peach]

That's why I think. And that's where I say the anticipation. Because even before the moment of like, the apology, people were anticipating the fall off because it's been teased for so many years. That's why I'm like, Not comparing it to Iceman because it's like we get so much music from Drake. Nobody's really anticipating a Drake album. We get a Drake album damn near every year. You see what I'm saying? Like, this album been waiting for. For years.

[Rory]

Everything after that, though, coming off of 24, that's why the anticipation for Iceman is where it's at. Because coming off of that, you know, whatever people want to say, he lost that battle, knocked the creativity out of him.

[Peach]

But that doesn't make sense because we got some sexy songs for you and everybody loved it.

[Rory]

That's not rap, though.

[Peach]

Okay.

[Rory]

You know what I'm saying? Like, we know Drake could do that and he could give us a R B vibe, a bop in his sleep, but now people want to hear him rap. They want to hear what he sounds like rapping coming out of that moment. So that's what.

[Peach]

That.

[Rory]

That why that anticipation is high. But obviously, yeah, this.

[Peach]

The.

[Rory]

The fall off. We've been hearing this. It's almost like the detox.

[Peach]

Dead ass. No, dead ass. You finally got the detox.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's like this.

[Baby D]

This little pump on KOD and ended the album with the fall off coming.

[Rory]

Yeah, like, this is. This is. This was on that level of anticipation. And again, to me, it just fell short. But again, good moments on that there. But overall, it was just like I was under what. Like, I.

[Baby D]

So a lot to digest, man. It's a lot of rapping.

[Peach]

It's a lot of rapping.

[Rory]

It's a lot of rapping. But again, this is what he gave us. This is what we got to listen to. This is what we got to dissect. This is what we got to digest. This is what we got to talk about because this is the product that he gave us. I'm just again, underwhelmed because I was anticipating a much better overall project and.

[Baby D]

Even to that point, and we can close. But what he said at the end of I love her again of I, which I thought was like, brilliantly brought together towards the end of hip hop. So I'm like, bro, you don't even listen to me anymore. Like, what are you talking about? Like, I got kids, I got shit going on. I can't. That is also how hard this has been to digest this weekend. It's 24 record at this age. I. I don't have the time to live and breathe it the way I did at disc 29. Like. Like, it's funny he even said that and put out a double diss. Like, he's the same way. He's like, bro, I got kids. I'm not. I don't listen to hip hop as much as I used to because I got other shit going on. Can't just sit here for the whole weekend and do this.

[Peach]

Yeah. He said.

[Baby D]

I. I thought that because I felt that way, too. Like, all. All I used to do 24 hours out of the day is listen to music. I just don't do that as much as I used to do.

[Peach]

When he said, at first, I was defensive. Bitch, listen how you sound. So many niggas fucked you now your pussy water down. But the more I thought about her, she was right. There was a time when she was on my phone day and night singing songs to me that I heard a time or two. Some were kind of old and some were kind of new, but you'll see how it's getting older. Raising kids, all that spending time and listening to her is hard to do.

[Baby D]

Yeah. So, like, even though I did give this as much time as I could outside of us having the podcast. Yes, it's tough to listen to a double disc at 35 years old. It is tough with this level of rapping. Like, yeah, I have to digest this. It could take a month with my schedule.

[Rory]

All right, so now there's one as far as post beef album that we've didn't get.

[Baby D]

What do you mean? Oh, just Drake. You're saying left?

[Rory]

Yeah. We got the cold album. We got gnx.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Peach]

So are you. Do you think. Do you think GNX is better? Well, which one do you guys prefer? GNX or this?

[Baby D]

They're not even terrible. This one is better.

[Rory]

Absolutely. Okay. Absolutely. 1,000%. I could listen to your opinion, sir. I could listen to this way more than I could listen to gnx.

[Baby D]

I've had over a year with gnx, so, I mean, yeah, and they're completely different types of. They just both happen to have people rapping on them. They're completely different.

[Rory]

They are. But I'm saying I could listen to this.

[Peach]

Your preference. I. I would have to. I would have to agree. But that's just because GNX is very Cali. Very Cali.

[Rory]

That could be a too.

[Peach]

Yeah, it's very Cali.

[Rory]

But, yeah. Oh, me, I'm.

[Baby D]

I could listen to this, But I. I do think, even though you're right, there's. We had gnx. We had this. I do think Kendrick's next album will roll over into this. Yes, GNX falls in that timeline, but everyone's still going to be looking at fall. Off Iceman. And then whatever Kendrick is dropping after that.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So not GNX fall off Iceman.

[Baby D]

I don't think that's how it's really going to be viewed by the anticipation. We're fans.

[Peach]

Yeah, I get what Rory's saying. I think. I think Kendrick's album after this is the one that people are really going.

[Baby D]

Like, really gonna be focused because Cole and Drake dropped. And then. Yeah, we want to see what. What Kendrick does. And then after that, I mean, if we're still on the dog, I don't really know what to tell y'.

[Peach]

All. People are going to be on it until the end of time. But yeah, I. I do agree with. With you. Gull has always kind of had a song making ability problem.

[Rory]

This is Achilles hills. It is his H has always been his Achilles hill.

[Peach]

If he. Because if he could make a song. Song as good as, like a. He can make a song.

[Baby D]

Don't get me wrong, he makes great.

[Peach]

But I mean, if he had that. That hook hit hook ability, like how you said that Cole don't get played in the clubs, like, if he had that hook hit ability the way them other two had.

[Baby D]

I would.

[Peach]

There wouldn't be no conversation. I'm just being honest. It would be no conversation, listeners.

[Baby D]

I'm being objective here. Drake is over here. When it to. Comes. Comes to hooks. Like, I don't even want to. That's unfair to even put him in this conversation. I think Cole can rival Kendrick in hooks. I think y' all are forgetting some of Cole's catalog.

[Peach]

I'm not forgetting. I don't.

[Baby D]

I don't know. I don't know if Kendrick is light gears above J. Cole when it comes to making solo hooks.

[Rory]

I think he is.

[Peach]

I didn't say light years, but he is significantly better at light years.

[Rory]

But I think. I think Kendrick makes better songs.

[Peach]

He does.

[Baby D]

Oh, no, no. I'm sorry. I thought we're having the hook conference say songs. Oh, yeah. I mean, Kendrick is one of the better songs.

[Peach]

Yeah, that's what I thought we were.

[Baby D]

Talking just about specifically the.

[Rory]

The.

[Baby D]

The hooks.

[Rory]

I'm sorry. Okay.

[Peach]

Because we're not talking about the verses. I promise you. We never talk about the verses.

[Baby D]

Well, verses have. Verses don't have to do with the song.

[Peach]

But what I'm saying is people water.

[Baby D]

Down their lyrics to make better songs like that. Yes, that happens.

[Peach]

They do. But what I'm saying is when it comes to, like, hook and like this song, the ability to make a. A hit, a commercial hit, something that you're going to hear in a club. Something that you're going to hear in Sears, Something that you're. All of that. That Kendrick is better at that than Cole. Significantly better at that than Cole. And it might not be because Cole just. It might be because Cole just doesn't want to. That might not be his bop.

[Baby D]

Are we saying solo or like. Like, we cannot not credit Pharrell with It's all right. So, like, are. I was saying solo.

[Peach]

Solo.

[Baby D]

That's why I said leave Drake out of this. Like, by himself. It's clear that he knows how to make hooks and songs. Those two solo by themselves. Themselves. No other person on the hook. I don't. Again, I don't think it's that far apart as you guys are making it seem.

[Peach]

Okay.

[Rory]

Subjective. Yeah, I. I think.

[Peach]

I think just. I think that Kendrick is significantly. I'm not saying light years, but he's significantly better.

[Baby D]

He's playing in Target. Whatever. Like, it's all right. Is it in a generational record? But canon loves that record. Let's don't even do that. Don't do that to Canon. But let's not act like that's not Pharrell as well. Like, I'm sure Kendra put together this and that. I'm giving them all the credit. But that's also. But what are some. What are some of both of their biggest.

[Peach]

But. Okay, so. So at the end of the day, yes, it's Pharrell, but the same resources.

[Baby D]

Don't save her. Don't save her.

[Peach]

The same resources. Let me talk. The same resources that Kendrick has access to, and I'm not doing this to compare them, but we're talking about some of the greatest rappers. I'm only going to compare him to people who are worthy of the him being compared to. Nothing has to do with the beef. If you're going to talk about resources, the same resources like Pharrell that Kendrick has access to. Cole has access to those same resources. So the ability to have this resource and know how to pick. Pick a beat, pick a hit, use people that are close to you. Yes. So that is a talent thing.

[Baby D]

That's not a. I would never disagree with you. That's a separate conversation because at that point, I even think he's done great with Cole's done great with Miguel and finally got that Achilles heel off him when he started to figure out how to make records with other artists. I'm saying just them. Don't save it. Don't want to be saved. Yes, but how long ago a Great hook.

[Peach]

How long ago was that for 2014.

[Baby D]

But he. His focus was not to make Target Sears hits after Forest Hills.

[Peach]

Okay, that's fine. But it doesn't even have to be Target.

[Baby D]

Nor was. Nor was. I mean, Mr. Morale, like, what. What played Mr. Morales. I think all of them just stopped trying to do that.

[Peach]

Okay.

[Baby D]

Am I wrong?

[Rory]

Rory might have been right about the Wale Cold thing, though.

[Peach]

You said that Wale is a better rapper than J. Cole. I do not agree with that. We. I. I do not agree with that. But I think Wale is. Wale specializes on that too.

[Rory]

I think. I think it's closer than I thought it was.

[Peach]

Okay.

[Rory]

I think it's closer than I thought. Everything is a Lie is better than this JCO album.

[Peach]

But again, I think that's a song making.

[Baby D]

Yeah.

[Peach]

Issue. I think that's more about song.

[Rory]

Wale is also rapping too, though, for sure. You know what I'm saying?

[Peach]

As always.

[Rory]

Because I thought about that when I was listening to like, I thought about what Rory said and I kind of like my knee jerk reaction was like, well, that's saying a lot. It might be closer than I thought it was.

[Baby D]

Wale is different, bro.

[Rory]

It might, it might. It might be closer than I thought.

[Baby D]

I didn't want to do the comparison thing on Everything. A Lot is an incredible album.

[Guest Speaker]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And I'm not, I hate to compare, but I'm just saying, like, albums that we got this year, I'm just listening.

[Peach]

Yeah, for sure.

[Rory]

You know, I mean, I remember how much I enjoyed listening to Everything is A Lot. And I'm just like, he was rapping on that. Songs was dope. Production was dope.

[Baby D]

Wale, to me, as far as lyricist, is one of my favorite song makers, period.

[Rory]

It's just a lot Claw. I'm not gonna say he raps better than Cole. It's a lot closer than I thought it was.

[Baby D]

Was.

[Rory]

Because I remember I gave Rory about that when he first said that, I was kind of like, yo, you tripping. You saying a lot w different. It might be close.

[Peach]

While they can rap his ass.

[Rory]

Yeah, it might be.

[Peach]

I wish more people knew just how much he can wrap his ass off. I don't agree with. He could wrap his ass off.

[Baby D]

He could make hooks, he can make bridges, he could make melodies.

[Rory]

But we always knew Wale was dope. But I'm just saying, like, in listening.

[Baby D]

Will tell you that he could do this.

[Rory]

Wale will not be shy about telling you how dope if you.

[Baby D]

You didn't know.

[Rory]

But yeah, after listening to this cold joint and then, you know, coming off everything is a lot. Yeah, it might be closer than I thought. That's all. So I got to give you. I'm not going to give you flowers, Rory. I'm going to just give you the vase. That's say, one day I'll give you the vas, and one day I'll get some flowers.

[Baby D]

Flowers die anyways. The V stays. The V be replaced with other flowers.

[Rory]

Is it vase or vas?

[Baby D]

It's vas.

[Peach]

It could be.

[Baby D]

It's like data and data. Data. It's like it's either New England versus everywhere else.

[Rory]

All right.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Baby D]

However you put it. Yeah.

[Peach]

Well, I think we did a pretty fair breakdown. Honestly, I was a little scared to.

[Baby D]

Think that it's going to be worse.

[Peach]

No, when I was. I was a little scared coming into work because I thought I was. I literally thought I was gonna have to fight. More like I thought I was gonna have to knock.

[Rory]

Why you think you. Why?

[Peach]

Because you be making. You be saying some sometimes. But I think that your breakdown of the album was very objective, very fair, and I think a lot of people.

[Rory]

What the Internet says. I do not hate Jake Cole. I know they trying to paint it like I hate Cole because Drake is.

[Baby D]

My man, like only Peach does by the Clips.

[Rory]

Yeah, I just. I. I don't hate J. Cole. I'm a J. I argued with in the barbershop about J. Cole before. Like, y' all bugging this nigga's nice.

[Peach]

I.

[Rory]

With J. Cole, I just didn't like his decision and what happened. But that's, you know, whatever. But it is water under the bridge.

[Peach]

But I think that. I think that everybody gave an objective, fair, and a lot. I think a lot of people echo our sentiments. So I want to say shout out to us. Good job.

[Baby D]

And to close, per usual, E. Steve and Cole, you guys do the best marketing I've ever seen.

[Peach]

You know what, Cole? If you listen and you're not. If I was you, I wouldn't listen to this podcast.

[Baby D]

Oh, no, he.

[Rory]

He listening. He listens to this. He listening. You hear me? I. I'm just joking. I can't joke. That's the problem. Nobody can't joke no more, man. Everybody told you that's the death.

[Baby D]

The death of podcast was when we. We couldn't shoot the shame.

[Peach]

Cole, I love you.

[Baby D]

Every word we say has to be in stones around.

[Rory]

We appreciate.

[Peach]

We appreciate.

[Ad Voice]

Thank you.

[Peach]

If this. If this was your last album, like.

[Rory]

Hey, with my camera. Hey, Cole, let me tell you what? This better not be. This better not be your last album. You cannot go out like this. Ain't no way. He can't. This ain't his last album. No way. And he kind of alluded to it.

[Baby D]

Like, this is my last lawless. 24 tracks. This still would not be his. I don't believe it's his last.

[Rory]

Yeah, this ain't his last album.

[Peach]

If this is your last project, I just want to say thank you for all.

[Rory]

This is your last album. You went out with L. Boss. You got swept in the finals. You cannot go out like this. It. I. I said it. And I. With Cole. But that's why I can say what I say, because I with him. You can't go out like this.

[Peach]

He said no, you don't.

[Rory]

You think I don't with Car. I do with Cole. Right. That's the problem. I feel like if you with somebody, you can only say good things. Like why you can't just be real. I'm that friend. I'm gonna let you know, like, bro, that wasn't it. Go back in there, cook up that.

[Peach]

All right, Cole, if this. If this is your last album, I want to say thank you so much for everything that you have given us over the course of your career, baby D. Okay.

[Rory]

But if it is you're giving, you talking. You're giving an obituary. This is not his last album. I promise you. This is not.

[Peach]

I hate it here.

[Rory]

He got way too much more shit to talk about. Way too much more to talk about. This ain't his last album.

[Peach]

I would like for you to release more songs about being an avoidant commitment phobe. Because Legacy is perfect.

[Rory]

Some people like to hear him talk.

[Peach]

About more being an avoidant commitment phobe. Like those songs like Legacy, like, you know, I really want to be in love with you, but like the hoes. But like I'm gonna hit you up after the fall though, like that. I need more. More cold songs like that. People to send me at three o' clock in the morning. You know how that be type shit. But thank you, Cole. Thank you so much.

[Rory]

And to you say to what to Cole? Rory, I look forward to next album same. I look forward to the next ones. This ain't the last one.

[Peach]

I would like a fall off hoodie if anyone from Dreamville is listening.

[Rory]

Why don't you go on. Go on the website. Damn.

[Peach]

Got them. I don't. I didn't know they were for sale. I just saw the influencers get.

[Rory]

How you think they got No, a.

[Peach]

Lot of the influencers got them like they were sent. It was like special merch that was sent. That's what I was.

[Rory]

Oh, they probably got it early, but I'm. I'm sure that's they going to sell.

[Peach]

Oh, I didn't know. Okay, I'll go buy one. Never mind.

[Rory]

Good. All right, well, now we wait.

[Baby D]

Riding my bike to go get one over there.

[Peach]

Almost started a fire. Ashy ass hands.

[Rory]

I'm just saying, man, you know, do.

[Peach]

You have a release date for us? Since you damn near guessed this one.

[Rory]

I said, do I know the release date or do I have.

[Baby D]

I said iceman, this Friday.

[Peach]

What Mal said when you said.

[Baby D]

He laughed at me.

[Rory]

Iceman, this Friday.

[Peach]

Do you guys have any comments about the Drake leak? Oh, I didn't mean to do my hands like that about the Drake leak on the day of the falloff release.

[Rory]

I didn't hear it, but whatever it is, it ain't on, Iceman, I can tell you that.

[Peach]

It's just always said you heard it here first.

[Rory]

None of what y' all are hearing on the Internet is on, Iceman. I can promise you that. Okay, it's not.

[Baby D]

None of that, and we'll find out on Friday.

[Peach]

That album is not coming on Friday.

[Rory]

Hell, no.

[Baby D]

No, I don't think Iceman is coming on Friday.

[Rory]

All right, well, we wait and see.

[Baby D]

Whole world, Iceman. Okay, how much? All right. How much time do you think, or.

[Rory]

What, in between of the album that.

[Baby D]

He'S going to let the cold breathe?

[Rory]

Rory, I know when the album is coming out. Of course I'm not saying it, but I know when I know you're not.

[Baby D]

Going to say it, and you haven't told me anything. I guess I'm trying to, like, get. Is it going to be a long time time, or is it going to kind of be.

[Rory]

It's gonna be a good time. It may cost you a little. It may cost you a lot, but it will cost you. It's gonna be a good time, Rory. That's all. That's all we need to know, man. Everybody, listen, man.

[Baby D]

We do some cold and drive my mother's Mazda up to Toronto for the release.

[Rory]

I don't know if the Mazda.

[Baby D]

It's a fun drive.

[Rory]

I don't know if the Mazda make it.

[Baby D]

You've never done the Toronto drive. Drive.

[Rory]

Have. Have I ever done.

[Baby D]

I know. You know, the Montreal one. That's a different.

[Rory]

Yeah, of course. I've done a Toronto drive.

[Baby D]

Toronto's this way. Montreal is straight up.

[Rory]

I've done the Toronto drive.

[Baby D]

That's a fun drive.

[Rory]

It is. It's a good drive up the camp.

[Baby D]

You guys want to pack? Pack up in the M.

[Rory]

No, but enjoy the Cold album. Enjoy that. Let's enjoy that album. Shout out to Don to Oliver. Incredible project.

[Peach]

I heard he dropped too. Yep.

[Rory]

That Octane album. Don To. Hey, listen, man, I'm gonna go ahead and say it. Don to is better than Playboy Carti.

[Peach]

You heard it here first. Peach clip it.

[Baby D]

I agree.

[Rory]

I think Don to push back. Trying to tell me Playboy Cardi is. I think that's who Don to push back here. I seen him go perform before Bad Bunny in front of I don't know how many thousands of people and tore that shit down. This Octane album add to the discography of Don To. I don't think he's missed in his discography yet. This album is. This Don Tolliver album is. Is crazy.

[Baby D]

I gotta listen. I also have to listen to the.

[Peach]

LMA album cold shit before Valentine's Day.

[Rory]

I gotta listen. No Shade to Playboy Carti. But I think that how they be trying to sell me on Cardi and I can't really, like, get it. Like, I don't understand it. I think that's who Don to.

[Baby D]

Well, I. I mean, I'll say Shade like I don't even think it's comparable as far as talent level goes, but that's just me.

[Peach]

And they be trying to say this cause we old niggas, but I don't think so. Because when they put me on the NBA, youngboy, I'm like, nah, I get why I like this.

[Baby D]

No young boy.

[Peach]

Boy, I still don't get.

[Baby D]

Billy sent me.

[Rory]

I said, all right, that's that Shorty sent me. I'll be in the. I know the neighbors is like, yo, who is. Who lives there? Cuz I'll be in there playing that. Like, I'll be playing be a young boy. Like, I'm a young boy. N I with him be a young boy. But yeah, that Don to Octane. I'm right. That. That's. That album is incredible. I love that project.

[Baby D]

Oh, and. And. And we can close shout out to Britney Renner. She's now a Christian. Yeah.

[Peach]

Okay.

[Baby D]

What episode?

[Peach]

Yo, I'll be liking my too. Like, if I had to. If I around ran into a Muslim, I might.

[Rory]

I love that.

[Peach]

I might.

[Rory]

Oh, you a Muslim now.

[Peach]

I might. I might convert. Like, I'll be liking my too.

[Rory]

So you were a Muslim. You have to. You have to.

[Baby D]

Well, she did and then she left a Baton Rouge legend and then became Christian. Whatever the shelter with now.

[Rory]

Yeah I love it man. Just let love live let love Jesus.

[Peach]

Does show I'mma let love die. Nah nah, not I I'm standing around let love fly.

[Rory]

There you go. You know what I'm saying? That's it right there. That's the closing. I'm that he's just ginger. Peace. No worry.

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[Peach]

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