Episode 461 | Rappers Delight

Summary

New Rory & Mal – Episode 461 | “Rappers Delight” (Feb 27, 2026)

Episode Overview

This episode of New Rory & Mal dives deeply into several core issues within hip-hop culture: generational divides over rap’s origins, debates about lyricists in the Bad Boy era, the evolution of rap styles, and personal takes on musical “classics.” The hosts and guests blend humor, nostalgia, and candid hot takes, all while exploring how music perception shifts across eras. The episode also features a wild listener voicemail that sparks an entertaining roundtable on boundaries in relationships.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Lil Yachty “Old Head Slander” & Debating Rap’s Foundations

[03:20–18:00]

• Prompt: The episode kicks off with the recent Lil Yachty interview where he called the origins of hip-hop (specifically the Sugarhill Gang) “weak.”
• Hosts’ Stance:
  • Rory and co-hosts acknowledge that Sugarhill Gang’s style sounds simple by today’s standards, but they defend its importance as foundational.
  • "You can't say the foundation is weak as hell... look how much was built on the foundation.” (Rory, 17:16)
  • Generation gaps are dissected, with the hosts noting that every era gets critiqued by the next. Comparing old school rap to early basketball or Babe Ruth, they contend: progress is inevitable, but you should respect what came before.
• Guest (Zip) Perspective:
  • Admits he never personally liked early “party” rap and only got into the genre with G Rap, Kane, and KRS-One. But even he draws the line at completely dismissing early rap as “trash.”
  • “I started liking rap with G Rap and Kane, and KRS-One and them, Big Daddy Kane. I didn't like the early, like, early rap. I paid that shit no mind.” (Zip, 07:10)
• Cultural Context:
  • 90s and 2000s rap brought a technical and lyrical elevation, but modern simplification (crediting Nelly and 50 Cent in the mid-2000s) moved things in a new direction.
  • “You know why rap got simplified, bro? Money. Nelly and 50, bro.” (Terry, 16:04)

2. Lyricism in Hip-Hop: The Bad Boy Era Debate & Mase’s Legacy

[26:56–38:44]

• Prompt: Charlamagne’s controversial ranking of Bad Boy’s best lyricists, snubbing Mase.
  • “Charlamagne is my son, but Charlamagne is bugging, homie. First of all, when Mase was on Bad Boy, they were saying Kiss was like a little Mase.” (Terry, 27:13)
• Bad Boy Lyricist Rankings:
  • Strong pushback on Mase’s omission. Hosts argue Mase was not only a star but sustained Bad Boy post-Biggie.
  • Multiple arguments about whether Black Rob or Mase had better verses, with hosts reciting bars and referencing hits.
  • Harlem World’s “classic” status is divisive:
    • “That’s a classic album. We not doing that. … Mase could do whatever he wanted to do in America. That’s a classic album.” (Rory, 32:15)
    • “I think Come Home With Me is way better than that Harlem World album, son.” (Terry, 31:35)
• Expanding the Lyricist List:
  • Extended debate on top five lyricists excluding The LOX (Jadakiss, Styles, Sheek) and whether newer "Bad Boy" artists like King Los or G Dep should be placed above OGs like Craig Mack.
• Insight:
  • The group notes how memory, era, and even geography (Charlamagne being from the South) skew perceptions.

3. Mixtape Culture: 50 Cent vs. Drake (“So Far Gone”)

[63:12–68:39]

• Prompt: What makes a classic mixtape? Is Drake’s So Far Gone the best?
• Highlights:
  • “So Far Gone is the best mixtape ever.” (Rory, 64:42)
  • Counterpoint: “That ain’t better than G-Unit is the Future to me.” (Terry, 64:45)
  • Recognition of So Far Gone’s genre-melding and its seismic impact on hip-hop aesthetics.
    • “It changed the trajectory… I don’t know if there’s been a mixtape that’s changed how music sounds the way So Far Gone did.” (Host, 68:07)

4. Generational Shifts, Industry Changes & Impactful Eras

[59:47–63:32; 68:27–71:29]

• 50 Cent’s First Five Years vs. Drake’s:
  • Intense back-and-forth on whether anybody topped 50’s “first five years” run in music and business; mention of clothing, video games, vitamin water, and unprecedented industry takeover.
  • “50’s first five years is the best five years in hip hop… best first five ever in hip-hop, son.” (Terry, 59:47)
• Cultural Pivot Points:
  • Kanye vs. 50 sales faceoff; So Far Gone as another pivot after 808s & Heartbreak.
  • The panel recognizes key moments that changed the sound, mood, and priorities of hip-hop.

5. Battle Rap, Violence, and Changing Codes

[73:23–77:07]

• Nostalgia for classic NY street battle culture (e.g., Mills vs. Mook), compared to today's more theatrical battles.
• Debate on respect and boundaries in battle rap; some hosts say certain lines cross from sport into disrespect—“You want me to battle? Start talking that suck my dick, man, I'm smacking the shit outta you…” (Terry, 75:56)

6. Wild Listener Voicemail: “She Threw Piss In My Face”

[77:14–87:10]

• Caller Scenario: Mitch from Atlanta describes a 5-year toxic relationship (drinking, fights, binging TV) ending in his girlfriend throwing urine in his face after finding old panties in his closet.
• Roundtable Reactions:
  • Unanimous: Throwing piss is an instant relationship ender, felony-level disrespect.
  • “You throw piss in my face, our entire data is deleted!” (Rory, 81:17)
  • Humor about relationship boundaries—if you go back after that, “Y’all probably belong together.” (Host, 83:21)
  • Reflections on what level of disrespect can or cannot be tolerated before reconciliation is impossible.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On disrespecting the forefathers of hip-hop:
  • “You can’t disrespect the foundation. Everything is gonna evolve. … Every generation is going to look back and say that was trash, because everything is going to evolve.” (Rory, 13:18)
• On Bad Boy lyricist rankings:
  • “Mace is definitely top 5 Bad Boy lyricist… You cannot talk about the Bad Boy legacy, building anything Bad Boy related, without Mase… He was the biggest artist.” (Terry, 34:38)
• On 50 Cent’s era:
  • “50’s first five years is the best five years in hip-hop. … It controlled the world.” (Terry, 59:47 & Host, 60:00)
• On genre evolutions:
  • “So Far Gone is the next pivot in hip-hop. … There’s rap before Drake and after Drake.” (Host, 68:31)
• Voicemail wildness:
  • “You throw piss in my face, all of that is deleted.” (Rory, 81:17)
  • “A woman throw piss in my face, I will forget everything my mother taught me.” (Rory, 83:06)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:20] – Lil Yachty, Sugarhill Gang, and generational divides in rap
• [06:57] – Early rap vs. 90s lyricism and evolution of technical flows
• [16:04] – The “simplification” era: Nelly, 50 Cent, and rap’s mainstreaming
• [26:56] – Charlamagne’s Bad Boy lyricist list/Mase debate
• [32:00] – Harlem World vs. Come Home With Me: what’s a “classic”?
• [59:47] – 50 Cent’s 5-year run: industry impact
• [63:12] – 50 Cent vs. Drake (“So Far Gone” as classic mixtape)
• [68:27] – Mixtape impact: How “So Far Gone” changed rap
• [73:23] – Battle rap nostalgia and boundaries
• [77:14] – Listener voicemail: “She threw piss in my face” and the fallout

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Original Tone & Style

Throughout, the hosts maintain their trademark blend of sarcasm, bluntness, and New York irreverence. They freely clown on each other, respectfully challenge one another’s opinions, and bounce between deep analysis and spontaneous laughter. The language is uncensored and conversational, featuring hip-hop slang and “insider” references, especially when quoting lyrics or referencing legendary beefs.

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Summary for the Uninitiated

If you missed this episode of New Rory & Mal, you missed a sprawling but focused conversation about the things that keep hip-hop culture so vibrant—and contentious: respect for history, the definition of talent, the legitimacy of “classics,” generational tides, and how personal experience shapes musical loyalty. The guys’ chemistry and willingness to go deep—while keeping it light—make for a compelling, entertaining, and thought-provoking listen, capped by an all-time wild relationship voicemail that you truly have to hear to believe.

Transcript

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[Podcast Host 2]

All right, take two. Welcome back. Damaris dropped her mic on the original intro, but we are back. Happy, happy. End of the week. It's fine. We were talking about the weather. You guys didn't miss much after she dropped her microphone. We are back. We are with our guy. Zip on this. This. Lovely.

[Rory]

That. Let's get to that. Netflix Saturday.

[Terry Dubrow]

Netflix right there.

[Rory]

I ain't gonna Lie Zip. He acted mad different when he on Netflix. I'm just calling it out now.

[Podcast Host 2]

He'd be way more mysterious,

[Terry Dubrow]

You know,

[Rory]

say he acted different. Pick. Cat gonna be like, yo, you acting mad different.

[Terry Dubrow]

They don't know me on Netflix yet. They all know me over there yet.

[Rory]

Yo, so. So, Zip, there's been a lot of. Lot of old head slander going on, I think, in hip hop in the last few months. And, you know, obviously me and you are from a different era of, you know, just rap and hip hop. We came up in the 90s. Right. So Rory has sent. First of all, we're back. Sponsored by Boost Mobile, Unlimited talk, text and data. Yes, let's start there. Let's start with that. But so I got my guy, Lil Yachty. Shout out to Yachty. That's my guy. He was on Bootleg Heavy. He was on Bootleg Kev. Shout out to Bootleg Kev. We support Bootleg.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, love his Kev. He always gets the good clips.

[Rory]

Kev.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, he get people lying about $20 million football deals and shit.

[Terry Dubrow]

Kev turned it down to go to rap. Turn it down to be a rap. That was crazy I ever heard in my life.

[Rory]

The math was crazy.

[Terry Dubrow]

Like 10, 15.

[Podcast Host 2]

How you just. You forget 15 million. Like 5, 10 million. I turned it down.

[Terry Dubrow]

Oh, man.

[Rory]

But Yachty, Yachty and his crew was up there. Shout out to Yachty. And he was talking about just the origin of rap and back in the day, the music not being good and it being weak. Specifically quoting Sugar Hill Gang.

[Podcast Host 2]

Before you go there, isn't this the second time Yachty's gotten in trouble with old head hip hop Twitter? Didn't he do something with Ebro? He said something about Biggie or something. I remember at one point getting the Kodak right. It was around the same time the Kodak with the freestyle thing was going on. But him and Ebro got into it in like 2016 or something like that. And I remember it started his career as the golden child for golden era hip hop to hate. He's had these comments before Ebro on my commentary.

[Rory]

Now I'm going to get to you after Ramadan. Ibro, don't worry about that.

[Podcast Host 2]

I thought it was a compliment.

[Rory]

Got you. No, yeah, I'm a compliment him after Ramadan. I'm going to give him all the compliments.

[Podcast Host 2]

We'll be here until the sun goes.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm just in a different space right now, but we going to talk March 19th. Don't worry.

[Podcast Host 2]

Your hat.

[Rory]

Yeah, nevermind.

[Podcast Host 2]

Go ahead.

[Rory]

Oh, you was talking.

[Podcast Host 2]

No, no, no, my bad.

[Rory]

Okay. All right. Well, anyway, so E. Yachty made some. Some comments, right? So specifically talking about Sugar Hill Gang Hop.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And then, you know the origin. That's the origin. Right. So he's saying that that was weak. Right. So we know that things progress, music changes, and all. Hip hop is still a very young art form, a very young culture, and in the grand scheme of just cultures around the world, probably the most impactful, but definitely the youngest culture. There might be some cultures that are being birthed now that we don't know about. Ryan, you might know about the cultures being birthed now. I don't know. You're 22 years old. But the origin. That's the origin of hip hop. Sugar Hill Gang.

[Terry Dubrow]

Hip hop got his name from that song, right?

[Rory]

Yeah. So while what Yachty is saying, like, when you rhyme like that today, like, if somebody was to rhyme, even though there's niggas that rhyme like that today, that y' all swear is dope.

[Podcast Host 1]

Stop.

[Podcast Host 2]

They just do it on Travis Scott beats, so it's different.

[Terry Dubrow]

They do it on.

[Rory]

They do it on. On mustard beats and stuff like that. They do it on mustard beats.

[Terry Dubrow]

They do it on.

[Rory]

And y', all. Y' all think it's the greatest shit y' all heard in the 21st. Like, all of that is a hip hop to the hip to the hip to the hip hip hop. You don't stop a rocket to the bang bang boogie. That's all derivative of that. That comes from that. So that's why to hear Yachty say, it's like, I understand what he's saying right. When you just in the air, if you was to hear somebody today say that, but you hear people kind of like borrow that style now and rap like that, with that cadence and that flow, and people love it.

[Terry Dubrow]

So my thing is, like, why is he spot on?

[Rory]

You feel like he's spot on with that?

[Podcast Host 2]

Yes.

[Rory]

The Sugar Hill Gang was trash.

[Terry Dubrow]

I mean, I never liked that music when I was little growing up. I ain't like that rap. I didn't like it.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Terry Dubrow]

I started liking rap with G Rap and Kane, and Kara's one of them, Big Daddy Kane. I didn't like the early, like, early rap. I paid that shit no mind. But I kind of. I used to say the same thing,

[Rory]

that it was trash.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yes. Okay. And then came 87, 88, 89, when you got the real rap dudes coming. Like I just said Kane, KRS1.

[Rory]

Well, if we're gonna do that, Rakim was probably the first one to change the way rap sound.

[Terry Dubrow]

The flow.

[Podcast Host 2]

The flow.

[Terry Dubrow]

He took it from the Kumo, the uptown.

[Rory]

Yeah, 109th Street.

[Terry Dubrow]

That hard pausing and he stopped that. Now it's a flow. But they strong arm rap from the whack dudes. From the dudes with the whack with no balls. In the mid late 80s, they strong armed it for them. And then for 15 years, you had to be nice. You had to be nice. Super lyrical, you know what I'm saying? In a party element, kind of like it was still around the party element, because you had big partying. I'm saying Jay was partying. They was. But you just had to be saying something. It didn't matter what kind of song you made. It had to be some intricate lyrics in that shit.

[Rory]

But see, the only thing with Yachty, and I understand, I respect with Yachty. Cause Yachty is he's a little younger than us, so I can understand. And then you said you didn't even like that as well, so. Nah, I respect that. When people don't like something, it's like, cool. If you did that. That's not your thing. Cool. I'm not gonna argue that.

[Podcast Host 2]

Do you think that's his point? Cause you can objectively say, I don't listen to Rappers delight. I don't get my car, be like, you know what I haven't heard in a while, I'm gonna throw that out. But that I don. If that's the 90s, if that's his point, then cool. But I think how I interpreted why people are upset. Let me not say upset, why they're critiquing. His critique is, you cannot say that about the very thing. That's the reason you are here. And of course it's going to evolve at the beginning of every genre of music. Typically, the beginning sometimes is the worst because they're still trying to figure out what this thing is. Sugar Hill Gang was coming from an era where it was all about a party. You had a party and then they do the break beat coming out. And then the guy that was hosting the party say anything. Sometimes it rhymed. And then it developed into to. To what Sugar Hill Gang is. So that was their goal, was not to sound like Nas, because Nas didn't exist. They were at a party of Studio 54, coked up, trying to have a good time. They was trying to say hip hop. And then it just developed when people like KRS heard it and took it a little bit more seriously. So to critique something where the point was just to party and not to be some lyrical miracle shit. Like, until Flash, there was not even a bit of substance in it.

[Terry Dubrow]

But see what he said? He said he was talking 90s and then he went to the 70s. And I'm saying that 20 years means something. And I'm saying, like, he. That's where he messed up. That, like, if I critique the critique at all, I would say you go, you talking about dudes in the 90s and then went to the 70s. That's a big difference. But if you want how they was rapping in the 70s, the 70s, and the 90s. He said in the 90s, it was mad trash. I don't think it was mad trash in the night. It was some. They want effects sometimes. That. That is not real rap. I mean, like, they rap like Dos Effects. Bum stickity bum stickity bum hunt. I got that over. Tell me what he said. You just heard what he said. Like, it was dudes. I told Rory this. It used to be dudes crying about all. They mumble rap and they mumble rap. And I can't understand what they saying. So what? You ain't understand what Doss Effects was saying? You just heard what they said. So you just care about hearing what somebody say. You don't really care about understanding what's being said.

[Rory]

Califragilistic tic tac toe I get the oops daisy now you got me crazy, crazy with the skibidi boo where's the baby? So one, two, buckle my nothing shoot smack my feet okay, right.

[Podcast Host 2]

But is that not. Is that a reflection of the error?

[Terry Dubrow]

He was hard, but we was little.

[Rory]

You want me to wrap the. You want me to wrap Baby Keem to you?

[Terry Dubrow]

No, my.

[Podcast Host 2]

Another stray.

[Podcast Host 1]

Baby Keem is not a. A mumble rapper.

[Rory]

I'm just saying that's the latest rap we got.

[Podcast Host 1]

Rap. He was comparing that to

[Terry Dubrow]

the older dudes will say, oh, this mumble rap, I can't understand it. You don't care about understanding. You just want to hear it. You just want the words to be pronounced, but you don't care if you can understand those words.

[Rory]

Crazy now, too, though.

[Podcast Host 2]

Like Das, there was other. There was a balance there. And again, reflection of the time. I've even heard Hov do interviews like when him and I'm blanking on Hawaiian Sophie with Jazzo when they were doing that fast rap Fool Snakes. Yeah. Like they were just trying to be as technical and rap as fast as possible. As a reflection of the times. You would say, Jay probably wasn't saying much at all when he was.

[Rory]

Had that.

[Podcast Host 2]

That flow. If Jay stuck with that flow, we would not be talking about Jason.

[Rory]

Jay was saying. He was talking, though. The flow was kind of like. Because that was the era, like you said. Doss, Effects, Fooshnikins.

[Terry Dubrow]

Fooshniks was talking, too. When I was small, they used to tease me because my hair was peasy mark and greasy. But now I'm living larger like Georgia was.

[Rory]

Yeah, like, so there's a balance talking. So it's right. It is a balance. I just think that what Yachty is saying, you can't disrespect the foundation. Everything is gonna evolve. Like, if that's the case, we can go back to when, you know, and the NBA first started. And look at these trash niggas dribbling with one hand. If we gonna say that, I would

[Terry Dubrow]

never put none of them in my top 10 from back then, which is

[Podcast Host 2]

fine, but I wouldn't disrespect the niggas

[Terry Dubrow]

dribbling around like this and all. I'm not putting none of y' all going in the top 10. I don't care. Barb, Cousin George Mikage, none of them.

[Rory]

But you can't do that because it's gonna come a time now, and we're probably seeing it where, you know, the shit that we grew up on is being disrespected. Rap from the 90s or the early 2000s or, you know, athletes from the 90s. Like, now how they say Jordan is not the greatest and this, that and

[Terry Dubrow]

the third, like they said, Jordan is DeMar DeRozan. Now, I wanted to break the phone,

[Rory]

but you see what I'm saying? You see what I'm saying? So it's gonna come to a point where it's gonna be our time, where people gonna be, you know, 40 years from now looking back like, I ain't gonna lie, that shit Zip was talking about was stupid. That nigga, he ain't know what the fuck he was talking. He was trash, that nigga. Yo, Rory, that Rory album was garbage. That shit.

[Podcast Host 2]

I said. No, but.

[Rory]

But I'm just saying, like, if that's the case, every generation is going to look back and say that was trash because everything is going to evolve.

[Podcast Host 2]

To me, you can say that shit. But even to your point, with. With sports, like I've said countless times, Babe Ruth, super overrated. I don't think he could hit a fastball from a 13 year old from doctor right now. But that.

[Rory]

You bugging the fuck out. Babe Ruth taking that Shit yard. That shit is out of here.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, right. That. That doesn't mean that he didn't move the game forward to get a Mickey Mantle. Like, it takes time for things to develop. That doesn't mean I completely disrespect Babe Ruth, but do I think Barry Bonds is a better fucking hitter? Of course I do. It's. Everything had to evolve, but that doesn't mean I got to shit on Babe Ruth.

[Rory]

All right, so today, Nas probably raps better than 95% of the rappers. He's been rapping maybe 30 something years.

[Podcast Host 2]

Maybe. Maybe 98.9.

[Rory]

He's been rapping for 30 something years. So if we're going to do that, it's like, okay, but there's still guys that are from that. That was inspired by Sugar Hill Gang that can rap better than 95, 98% of the field that we have in front of us today. So you know what I'm saying? It's like, you can't. I'm not saying Yachty gotta love the Sugar Hill. I don't play that. I don't love the Sugar Hill. I'm not. That's not my. I'm from the 80s, but that wasn't what I was listening to.

[Terry Dubrow]

So you say he gotta watch his mouth.

[Rory]

I'm not saying he gotta watch his mouth. I'm just saying, like, it's a way to be like, yo, but I don't really think that that was like. I never listened to that. You don't gotta say that. That was weak as hell, because that's what. That's the foundation. You can't say the foundation is weak as hell.

[Terry Dubrow]

Nah, you gotta. Got to think about it. It's coming from a place where they was telling him, like, yo, you can't rap. You. Your sound is trash. You trash. All right, so he said, if I could go back to 2016, and he basically saying, if I knew then what

[Rory]

I know now, but we all would say that.

[Terry Dubrow]

No, he. They was. When they was telling Yachty, like, yo, you ain't saying nothing when you rhyme and blah, blah, blah. He said, I was a kid then. I didn't know that back in the days. These ain't used to be saying neither, or I would have had a great defense for them.

[Podcast Host 1]

It's so it's such a complete difference. Because back they were creating something, like, from nothing. Like, they had no example. You 50 years of examples of rapping amazingly, and you still can't put words together. Well, like, that's completely the reason why

[Podcast Host 2]

no examples to go off and answer to her point too. When you're saying you love the 90s and didn't really listen to stuff from the 70s or early 80s, that's fair, because I think the 90s elevated everything. I don't know if the generation after the 90s and 2000s, except for a select few, really elevated anything. Whereas every generation besides Yachty's has elevated it to what a hip hop head would say is a better level. I'm not saying that there's other people that don't think what Yachty and them did is incredible and their sub genre of hip hop. I'm not saying that. But to you, every single time, it's gotten better.

[Terry Dubrow]

You know why rap got simplified, bro?

[Podcast Host 2]

Money Nelly and 50, bro. Yeah.

[Terry Dubrow]

Once Nelly and 50 came, bro, they had the most simplest raps out of anybody in the business, and they was doing the most numbers. And so everybody said, I'm gonna say the most simplest shit I could possibly say and try to do what they did. I feel like they the ones that like

[Podcast Host 2]

simple by. By mid 2000 standards. Now that would be super lyrical. Nelly is super lyrical to today's crowd. Yes.

[Terry Dubrow]

Who said pretty boys can't be wild niggas, foul niggas. Okay. Corral niggas. That ain't lyrical.

[Podcast Host 2]

If you wanted to go out and

[Rory]

ride with me, yes, because it was different.

[Terry Dubrow]

But we was young. These young think little yachty. And then people that y' all think can't rap, they like that shit.

[Rory]

No, I'm not saying I. And I understand that. And I also give them that respect. Like, okay, if that's what y' all like. When I was coming up, people didn't like Snoop, people didn't like Dre, People didn't like a lot of that shit that I was listening to. And I was like, what? This is dope. Now look at what they turned it into. I'm just saying when you say the. The foundation is weak, the foundation can't be weak as hell. Because look how. Look how much was built on the foundation.

[Podcast Host 2]

I mean, now I think, look how

[Rory]

much hip hop came from the Sugar Hill game. Look how far the culture went from that. From that, from that moment, from that style, from that sound. 50 something years later, it's the most impactful, influential culture, maybe art form on the planet. So the foundation of that you can't say is weak as hell. Because if that was weak as hell, it would have collapsed. It wouldn't have. It would. Nothing would have been built upon it.

[Terry Dubrow]

I feel like it Was some real shit going on back then too, though. Cause if you listen to everything that was like when dude was like, got sent up north for eight year big. When he was like, turn stick up, kid. What you done did. Sent up north for eight year big, Right?

[Rory]

So that's no different than. That's Melly Mel.

[Terry Dubrow]

Right? So they had dudes that was really rapping. It's just you had a bunch of party shit going on at the same time. So, like, that's probably why I don't fall. Because the foundation of that real rap shit, it was there. And I'm saying it was there. Like they was. They was around, but they wasn't at the forefront. Just like nowadays, them real rap niggas, they ain't at the forefront. It's these niggas that the hip hop. Just a new version of that shit.

[Podcast Host 2]

But I mean, no still lyrics. There's never been a year in hip hop where actual lyricists weren't the forefront of the entire thing. It's gotten smaller and smaller of the amount of them. But to this day, I'm not saying records.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah, the dudes that sell records got raps.

[Podcast Host 2]

So, I mean, you gotta be saying something.

[Terry Dubrow]

A song without rapping. But you can't sell records without rapping.

[Podcast Host 2]

But I. If you do make a good point now I think about it with. With Nelly and 50 and just that era simplifying for when it got super, super mainstream commercial monetizing everything. It had to be dumbed down a bit because even 50 was way more lyrical on his mixtapes before Get Rich dumbed it down a little bit. I think hip hop continues to evolve from the generation before. And yeah, it evolved to more simple. Yeah, from like Soldier Boy every single time. It got lyrical. Lyrical. Lyrical. 90s 2000 got simple. And now it's super. It just evolves with the generation before it. So you do make a good point. Simplifying it in the mid 2000s did get us to where we are now. To the simple.

[Terry Dubrow]

That's who they grew up on. Yeah, like he born in 02. This 150 come out. So the dudes, that's his age, that's. That's the music they think peoples was listening to. Yeah. From when they little. They hearing 50.

[Rory]

Yeah. Ryan said he met. He knows ti as an actor, not as a rapper.

[Terry Dubrow]

I know I knew T.I. as a rapper, but I'm saying I'm more familiar with him as a reality TV star.

[Rory]

Well, you was.

[Podcast Host 2]

Well, you must probably locked up at that time.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah. But Major's my man, though. I feel like Major was like, that's my little homie.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Terry Dubrow]

Like, respectfully, Major, King Damani, all them. I know the whole family. And I'm saying because of the reality show.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You watch them grow up

[Podcast Host 2]

that you were that tapped into that show?

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, well, that was a classic reality

[Terry Dubrow]

TV show you bugging. And was it Tiny friend name. She had the fat ass like, he was on that. Yeah, I'm watching that to see her. If nothing for nothing else.

[Rory]

That's what y' all was watching in the prison?

[Terry Dubrow]

Yes.

[Podcast Host 2]

What was. What was your favorite moment from that show? What was it? All in the family?

[Terry Dubrow]

I don't know. I don't like.

[Podcast Host 1]

I don't remember Grand Hustle.

[Podcast Host 2]

Grand hustle.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Okay.

[Terry Dubrow]

I'm saying probably some Major did. Major was my little man son. Like we used to like Major. Like, yo, what Major now I'm saying he come to doing what he do. You know what I'm saying?

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Terry Dubrow]

I don't see him no more, neither. Where he at?

[Podcast Host 2]

He laying low, man.

[Rory]

He's staying away from all. He's staying away from.

[Podcast Host 2]

No, he was holding the phone. When King say all that.

[Terry Dubrow]

Oh, that's him. I don't know.

[Podcast Host 2]

Don't listen to me.

[Rory]

Say, yo, what's up with Major? With Major?

[Podcast Host 2]

What other reality shows did y' all watch?

[Terry Dubrow]

Everything that come on each. Everything came on E, MTV, VH1 every day, whatever was going on.

[Rory]

Y' all being in jail, watching. Watching Family Hustle is crazy, though.

[Terry Dubrow]

Loving hip hop, all of that.

[Rory]

Everything that makes sense.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah. Everything that come on them channels.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Terry Dubrow]

If you in the jail and they have VH1 or MTV, like, it's time to blow this joint straight up. I'm out of here.

[Podcast Host 2]

So you think violence in prison could. We could drop those numbers if we just keep VH1 in the day room.

[Terry Dubrow]

I don't know about now, but back then, 0807 09, you got VH1, MTV, everything was cool. Yes.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. You hear that, Mondami? Fucking put on Rikers and everyone will calm down.

[Rory]

Yeah, give everybody a subscription. Netflix subscription. Yes, in Rikers. Netflix.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, just put a beeper.

[Rory]

Netflix everyone in Rikers. Mamdani. Netflix subscriptions for everybody in Rikers. Some more crazy hip hop talk from, you know, the media.

[Podcast Host 2]

Ohez, though.

[Terry Dubrow]

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[Rory]

Well, Charlamagne, he ranked as his top five bad boy lyricist, and Mace wasn't in his top five bad boy lyricists. He has Biggie Kiss. Okay, let's just do this. Biggie, the locks and black rock.

[Terry Dubrow]

Charlamagne is my son, but Charlamagne is bugging homie. First of all, when Mace was on Bad Boy, they were saying Kiss was like a little Mace. I remember that. Yeah, they were saying Kiss was Lil Mace.

[Rory]

And not only that, people forget when big passed, Mace kept the lights on. That bad boy wrote all the puffy

[Terry Dubrow]

raps and his raps.

[Rory]

So Mace was a bonafide mega star.

[Terry Dubrow]

Star, megastar.

[Rory]

I don't like people forget, you know, I guess. Cause it wasn't. It was so short. It was like a short window.

[Terry Dubrow]

He did 4 million on a debut that was unheard of.

[Rory]

But what Mace did, I just urge people to just go Back. And just really look at what Mace did on Bad Boy. Go back to the albums. Go back to the features with Total. And go. Go look at the video. Mace was a star.

[Terry Dubrow]

How do you.

[Podcast Host 2]

I don't think that was what Charlemagne was. Was arguing. And listen, I think Charlamagne's mooch is

[Terry Dubrow]

a better lyricist than Mace, bro.

[Podcast Host 2]

Come on. I think she's super underrated, but I like him.

[Terry Dubrow]

Right?

[Podcast Host 2]

She's not saying that Mace was not a star. He said he probably makes the best music outside of Big. On Bad Boy, he was lyricist. He's still bugging. I want to make that very clear. Yeah. I don't want to misquote him in that regard.

[Rory]

I understand. I get it. I get what you see.

[Podcast Host 2]

Everyone would say that. That Mace put Bad Boy on his back.

[Terry Dubrow]

Black Bob don't have one verse with that. With Mace was like, what you know about going out? Head West. Red legs, TVs all up in the headrest. Black Rob don't got one verse with that, bro.

[Podcast Host 2]

No verse on a hit record.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Terry Dubrow]

Even when he ran out of ammo and stone bottles. That's not better.

[Rory]

Rest in peace, Br.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah, Rest in peace. Black Raw recipes, Black Boxes and Sean John When I Came Home on that.

[Rory]

Off that first. But Mace is definitely top five Bad Boy lyrics.

[Podcast Host 2]

If you go back, like, Mace. Top three. Children of the Corn Murder Mace, like, before the first album. We not like, like, mixtape Mace, but

[Rory]

I guess he's saying when he was Bad Boy.

[Podcast Host 2]

When he was Bad Boy. Okay.

[Rory]

Guess that's what he's saying. Bad Boy lyricist. Bad boy lyricist. Either way.

[Terry Dubrow]

Either way. They said a classy criminal gap by the Genital Thugs know me, so don't get splashed for the minimal. Like, he was talking, bro.

[Rory]

Yeah. Mace was not, bro.

[Terry Dubrow]

Like, come on. Yeah, y' all gotta go.

[Rory]

Can do your homework on me. I think. I think Charlemagne. Cause Charlamagne from. He from the South. He's from what, North Carolina? South Carolina. That's deeper south than North. You gotta. You gotta go. You gotta go.

[Podcast Host 2]

You gotta do the yachty move.

[Rory]

Yeah, you gotta. You gotta. You gotta do your due diligence.

[Terry Dubrow]

Rob got. Whoa. And that's really it. Like, that's the only Black Raw we really ever really got, bro.

[Rory]

As far as a hit record. Okay.

[Terry Dubrow]

Like, songs like Black Raw. When. When it was Black Raw.

[Rory]

Black.

[Terry Dubrow]

And on the song with Black Raw

[Podcast Host 2]

verse, 24 hours to live. Yeah.

[Terry Dubrow]

That's the only time I feel like Black Rob went off. I think he got the best verse on that song. There's no other time that I feel like Black Rob and Mason got off Can I Live.

[Podcast Host 2]

Black Rob with. It was just unfair on Can I Live because Black Rob got off that.

[Terry Dubrow]

He was only on the hook. Yeah, that was on the Clue tape. The first time I heard that. He was only.

[Podcast Host 2]

It was a Lock song, and they gave it to Black Rob because he needed one of those on his album. But his verse wasn't bad. He just went step up against the Locks in prime form with three of the best verses they had done. Like it was unfair. But Black Rob, he got off on Can I Live Now. I don't remember. On the old show, Charlamagne called in one time when we were discussing if Harlem World was a classic. I think this is a personal thing. I don't think Charlamagne actually believes this. Him and Mace, he's had some weird Mace hate.

[Rory]

You think that's a classic Harlem World?

[Podcast Host 2]

Yes, I personally do. If somebody said no, I wouldn't.

[Terry Dubrow]

I don't know. The other day, looking for some shit, I was. I was making my playlist. I think I took two songs off of it.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Terry Dubrow]

I can't be no classic.

[Rory]

What? You could take two. What you mean, only two?

[Terry Dubrow]

It was like, oh, okay, I don't want to hear this no more.

[Rory]

You took two songs off like, you. Only you couldn't listen to those two or the only two you could listen to.

[Terry Dubrow]

You want to scrap? We can scrap like that with him and DMX 24 hours away. So it's probably like three songs off

[Rory]

of there that you took that you could take and put on the playlist.

[Podcast Host 2]

If you want to get money, take what's yours. Will they die for you?

[Rory]

Look.

[Podcast Host 2]

Come on. Looking at me to play away I

[Terry Dubrow]

don't find some of that feel so good.

[Podcast Host 2]

What you want cheat on you 24 hours to live I need to be. Watch it back.

[Rory]

Nah, you bugging.

[Terry Dubrow]

That's a classic, not classic, bro.

[Rory]

That's a classic.

[Terry Dubrow]

That's not classic.

[Rory]

I think Come Home With Me is

[Terry Dubrow]

way better than that. Come Home With Me is way better than that Harlem World album, son. I don't know if.

[Podcast Host 2]

I don't know if that's a crazy hot take.

[Terry Dubrow]

Come On With Me is way better than that, son. Come on.

[Podcast Host 2]

Age difference. Because I listened to Harlem World later because I was. I was seven when Harlem World came out.

[Terry Dubrow]

I was back. And listen, I got Harlem World and then, like, come on. I got money, power, respect. It came out, like, two weeks later, bro. I was laid up, shot. Listening to this shit. Son, I was like, yo, Nick couldn't tell me nothing about me, son.

[Rory]

Yeah, now Harlem World's a classic.

[Terry Dubrow]

You couldn't tell me nothing about Mace.

[Rory]

Cause you. You listening now. So you saying it's dated now? I'm talking about then when that shit came, when it dropped.

[Terry Dubrow]

Mace was a mega star, bro. Mace could.

[Rory]

He could do whatever he wanted to do in America. That's a classic album. We not doing that. We ain't going. We ain't going.

[Terry Dubrow]

We ain't going to be in Harlem. That ain't on my classic list, so.

[Rory]

All right, what's on your classic list, then?

[Terry Dubrow]

Come Home With Me is on my classic list. The Purple Tape is on my classic.

[Rory]

I could debate Come Home, it was written.

[Terry Dubrow]

Which how you could debate Come Home, Harlem World.

[Rory]

If you got Come Home With Me, I could put Harlem World in there. It's not that. It's not. I. I love Come Home With Me. I love that album. But I'm just saying it ain't. It ain't like smacking Harlem World out of here.

[Terry Dubrow]

I do. I think it does. I think it does.

[Podcast Host 2]

Nah, it's not smacking it out of here, but it's a fair point. When you look back at the.

[Terry Dubrow]

Come on.

[Rory]

I love Come On With Me. That album is crazy.

[Podcast Host 2]

Losing Weight, part two.

[Rory]

Oh, boy. I think so. I think so.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. It's the. Again. I have it have a different place in my heart because I was 13 when come home With Me came out. So it's. I connect. Yeah. I connect with this more than I do with Harlem World just because I went back to listen to Harlem World World. I mean, I heard the singles when I was a kid, but. But I didn't. I wasn't banging Harlem World when I was seven. But Come Home With Me did not leave my Walkman. Yeah.

[Terry Dubrow]

Come Home With Me is still. Is still, like, valid, bro. Like, that is kind of timeless. It sit on there. That's timeless, bro.

[Podcast Host 2]

I think it's Can's best album. Me, too.

[Rory]

It is. I mean, a lot of people SDS right there, though.

[Podcast Host 2]

A lot of people say Purple A's cool.

[Terry Dubrow]

SDS cool. We can't with Come Home compared to Come Home.

[Rory]

Yeah. SDE is crazy.

[Terry Dubrow]

Compared to Come Home With Me is cool. This is what I'm saying. Like, is it when it came out,

[Rory]

fine production will Come Home With Me is better for sure.

[Terry Dubrow]

When it first came out. SDE Fire. Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

I've never even heard that. To be the second one. It's always Purple Hayes verse. Come Home with me, it's fire. Don't get me wrong.

[Rory]

I've heard that, but that's your generation. Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Your generation.

[Terry Dubrow]

I got three songs off of that I like.

[Podcast Host 2]

I've gotten in plenty of arguments. Purple Hayes vs come on with Me. That's almost like the rap version of confessions. Verse 8701 is come home With Me and Purple Haze.

[Rory]

Yeah, I can see that. I can see that. Yeah. Charlamagne tripping, though. Mace is definitely a top five bad boy lyricist. I don't even want that to grow late. That narrative to even start making his rounds. Without a doubt. You cannot talk about bad boy. The Bad boy legacy. Bad Boy building anything Bad boy related without Mace and without saying he was a top fuck lyricist. He's a top five. He was a top five artist back. The rap artist back then.

[Podcast Host 2]

Oh, for sure.

[Terry Dubrow]

He was the biggest artist. Nobody was messing with Mace when Mace came out, brought him. Jay Z shot Mace because he was at the top of the. He was the top dog.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Terry Dubrow]

They gotta shoot the top door. He didn't go at Nas. He didn't go at Nas first. He didn't go out. Nobody else. He went at Mace because Mace was that dude, bro.

[Rory]

It was a little more personal behind that.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, perhaps.

[Rory]

But still was.

[Terry Dubrow]

Mace was the top dog, son.

[Rory]

I don't know for sure. Definitely.

[Podcast Host 2]

I just want. I'm not saying Charlemagne's not being honest. I do think there's something personal because he. He's had this weird, weird Mace hate that people have called out and noticed for a long time. Like, it doesn't feel like you critiquing music. It feels like you kind of hating.

[Terry Dubrow]

I'm saying somebody.

[Podcast Host 2]

Jones tells a story in Florida with Charlamagne and Mace or something.

[Terry Dubrow]

Like, somebody said, Wendy Williams is big homie. You know, Wendy Williams don't like Mason. She don't want to first start saying Maze was a gay rapper. Y' all gotta like. Come on, put this shit in my head.

[Podcast Host 2]

Connecting the dots.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah, the dots connect themselves.

[Podcast Host 2]

You heard.

[Rory]

There you go.

[Terry Dubrow]

Just connect themselves.

[Podcast Host 2]

All right. Top five bad boy lyricists around the room. Start. Start with Damaris. Since we. We've been talking.

[Podcast Host 1]

Not qualified. I wasn't in the heyday of when that was going.

[Rory]

The heyday. So you sound like Yachty. Look how fast you sound like Yachty. The heyday. That was 90. What? 94.

[Podcast Host 1]

I was born in 94.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah. You out of here.

[Podcast Host 2]

Bad boy. You know, made it all the way up until a few years ago. Like you. You could throw MGK in your lips list.

[Podcast Host 1]

I'm okay.

[Rory]

That's sick. MGK is crazy.

[Podcast Host 2]

French. Not on your. Your lyricist list.

[Rory]

Nah, French.

[Terry Dubrow]

One of the best artists. That was.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm going. Big Mace Kiss.

[Terry Dubrow]

No Big Kiss Mace.

[Rory]

Oh, no. No particular order.

[Terry Dubrow]

Oh, no particular order.

[Rory]

No particular.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, I wasn't.

[Rory]

Wasn't gonna.

[Terry Dubrow]

Big Mace Kiss.

[Rory]

Big Mace Kiss. Styles.

[Podcast Host 2]

And

[Rory]

who else was up there?

[Terry Dubrow]

Sheik.

[Rory]

Yeah. Locks.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Everyone's just replacing Black Rob with this.

[Terry Dubrow]

Oh, you go Jeezy. You go Jeezy.

[Podcast Host 2]

Young Jeezy Young. Jock Young.

[Rory]

Jeezy was on Bad Boy.

[Podcast Host 2]

He was in the group. Boys in the Hood went solo. Boys n the Hood.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

But.

[Rory]

Nah, we not doing it. We can't do that, though.

[Podcast Host 2]

They had hit record.

[Rory]

Yeah, we can't do that, though. We talking about, like, he didn't release an artist. He didn't release a solo album on Bad Boy.

[Terry Dubrow]

No, she can't release no solo all album Styles.

[Rory]

So you gonna take the. The group.

[Terry Dubrow]

I'm saying. I think I'm saying, like, I'm just asking. Is Jeezy.

[Rory]

Like, Jeezy's not a better lyricist than Sheik Luch?

[Podcast Host 2]

No, not even close.

[Rory]

He's not a better.

[Terry Dubrow]

What about Red Cafe?

[Rory]

He's not a better lyricist than Sheik Luch. I like. I like Red, though. I think Red is underrated, and I think Red is lowkey writing for a lot of that we own.

[Terry Dubrow]

Loon is not better than Chicago.

[Podcast Host 2]

No.

[Rory]

Nah. Lyrics. Lyricist, lyricist. No, he's not. No. Loon got loom. God, I need a girl, though. He got off on that. He got off on that. But, yeah, I need it like lyrics. No.

[Terry Dubrow]

Fox Brown chromed out six bubbling. Unless she ain't top dog, she ain't top five.

[Podcast Host 2]

All right. Since Kiss, Chic and Styles didn't put out a solo project. What, y' all top five without the locks in it? People that. That put out solo joints.

[Rory]

Oh, I gotta go. I gotta go. If the locks ain't in it.

[Podcast Host 2]

Big Mace.

[Rory]

No, no, I'm going.

[Terry Dubrow]

Elephant man

[Podcast Host 2]

don't hate on elephant. No particular order. I'm throwing G Depp in there. G Dep is a better lyricist than Black Router.

[Rory]

Wait, what was the. You said that released the album or they didn't release the album?

[Podcast Host 2]

Well, just. That was solo on Bad Boy. Not that.

[Terry Dubrow]

Who's Fuzz Bubble?

[Rory]

Never got into Fuzz Bubble. I never checked.

[Podcast Host 2]

You never fuck with Fuzz Bubble?

[Rory]

I never checked his catalog. I don't know who Fuzz Bubble is, but if you Said, no, they didn't release no locks. Solo.

[Terry Dubrow]

Big Craig Mack.

[Podcast Host 2]

Lyricist, lyricist, Black Raw.

[Rory]

King Los is up there.

[Podcast Host 2]

If you just put out a solo

[Rory]

project with Bad Boy, you just said. You just said. They didn't. They were just solo. They didn't have to put out.

[Podcast Host 2]

Okay, that's fine. Fair. Fair.

[Rory]

Just. Lyricist King Los is top five.

[Terry Dubrow]

Craig Mack is not on it. Yeah.

[Rory]

Lyricist top five. Yeah. No, you talking about with.

[Podcast Host 2]

Wait, top five.

[Rory]

Nah, I don't.

[Podcast Host 2]

Gdat Loon, Black Rob are all better than Craig Mack lyrically. Like, what do we talk about right now?

[Terry Dubrow]

Okay, I'll go about that.

[Podcast Host 2]

Like, what do we talk about right now?

[Rory]

You got to put King Los up there. Lyricist. You got to put.

[Podcast Host 2]

King Sean is a better lyricist than Craig Mack.

[Terry Dubrow]

Sean is better than Craig Mack.

[Rory]

Gotta put Sean, Sean Poe.

[Podcast Host 2]

All right, so without the locks, I'm going Big Mace, G Dip, Shine, Black Rob. I take it back.

[Rory]

Loom.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's. That's my. That's my list. That's my final. Final.

[Terry Dubrow]

Black Rob 6 Man of the year.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. Next. Next to Fuzzy lyricist.

[Rory]

You ain't got King Los in there.

[Podcast Host 2]

I don't. Yeah, I don't. Did he even put a song, like. Even put a song out on Bad Boy?

[Rory]

We just talk about lyricist, though.

[Podcast Host 2]

Like, raps.

[Rory]

Like, you take five from the label and just let them rap them. There's a lot of not rapping lyricist better than King Lows. Y' all tripping right now.

[Podcast Host 1]

But if you don't have a lot of projects or a lot of.

[Rory]

No, but we're not going off of that.

[Podcast Host 1]

No, but what I'm saying is it's easy to be lyrical if you're. If you only have three examples or three times to be lyrical. The more you have to do it over the years, like, people tend to get less lyrical if they're not that good. You have to prove that you can continue to be lyrical.

[Terry Dubrow]

Good point.

[Rory]

I think King Lowe's rapping better than a lot of them.

[Podcast Host 2]

King Lowe's is one of the. King loses an alien. I just don't consider him really, like, a bad boy artist.

[Terry Dubrow]

Okay, we'll take G Depp off and put King Low. Sting, because already on Fish and Spaghetti was mad wagged to me. Like, that was whack. Have you already Your Fish and Spaghetti? Like, come on. I heard that.

[Podcast Host 2]

When you heard that, when was the

[Rory]

last time you listened to gdp?

[Podcast Host 2]

Shout of the Ghetto.

[Rory]

A Child of the ghetto.

[Terry Dubrow]

When it came out, probably, like. And it didn't get a lot of

[Podcast Host 2]

that's like a underground classic to me.

[Terry Dubrow]

You think so?

[Podcast Host 2]

That album,

[Rory]

I mean you was.

[Terry Dubrow]

He lost me. He lost me on. I was already on Fish and Spaghetti, bro.

[Rory]

You ain't go back after that.

[Terry Dubrow]

It was like.

[Podcast Host 2]

No, he said I had a spaghetti. You never heard that?

[Rory]

This deficiency.

[Terry Dubrow]

This deficiency on yo, this the fish is spaghetti, man.

[Podcast Host 2]

This.

[Rory]

The fish is spaghetti. No, I want to hear that.

[Podcast Host 2]

You never heard the song Every Day by gdep Probably.

[Terry Dubrow]

I probably heard it.

[Podcast Host 2]

He said I had a cigarette for breakfast Just for beginners. Cry for lunch and scream for dinner.

[Rory]

He ain't like that.

[Terry Dubrow]

You ain't like that and I ain't like him. Going to the pre in and doing all that's a whole now that's what it really is.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's what it really you do you

[Rory]

judge you going off of that.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's unfair. Because if we go through the list of things everybody Bad boy artist has done in their free time. I don't know if what Jake did is the crazy.

[Rory]

Yeah, man.

[Terry Dubrow]

We could take Big off the list if y' all want for all that nasty stuff. He used to say we could do that. I don't I don't got no qualms with that. He is that. He is.

[Podcast Host 2]

We gotta take Biggie off the best lyricist of Bad Boy.

[Terry Dubrow]

All that nasty he used to do so good. Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Such how your daddy's.

[Rory]

Yeah, that was a Richard Pryor joke.

[Terry Dubrow]

What about what Gutter used to do?

[Rory]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Terry Dubrow]

No, what about he had the techniques dripping out his whistle names and he used to sleep on his stomach so he don't up his sheets.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Terry Dubrow]

Like he said. Watch it. It's just.

[Rory]

Wait.

[Terry Dubrow]

What Biggie said I got techniques dripping on my butt cheese pause. I sleep on my stomach so I don't up my sheets. He just used to say anything out of his mouth. Anything he wanted to say.

[Podcast Host 1]

Oh my God.

[Podcast Host 2]

Madness.

[Terry Dubrow]

He said he'll rupaul before he them ugly ass escape. He can say anything out of his mouth. So we could take him off the list if you want. I don't mind that I I really he's not in my top not in my top five because of that bro.

[Rory]

Bro.

[Terry Dubrow]

Cuz of the nasty raps Biggie got

[Rory]

it been your top five rappers ever

[Terry Dubrow]

top five Hov Kiss, Fab Ross and Drake. Big not on I know I could

[Podcast Host 2]

find crazy nasty bars from all those

[Terry Dubrow]

guys you tripping like that.

[Rory]

You tripping, bro.

[Podcast Host 2]

Maybe not some of your dad RuPaul

[Terry Dubrow]

is that's you G. That's gay. That's no, there's no way around that There. No, that's not a Richard Pride line that. I seen Heart. She look like Smokey Robinson in the flick. Okay, hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait. No, they just put the picture up. She look like Smokey. Know what I'm saying? I'm chasing that.

[Rory]

Yeah, 100%.

[Podcast Host 2]

No disrespect to King, but no disrespect.

[Terry Dubrow]

Put a picture. I'm coming to Atlanta. I'll just let you know now, you know what I'm saying? But Major's my man.

[Rory]

Biggie was front.

[Terry Dubrow]

Biggie violated.

[Podcast Host 2]

Not.

[Terry Dubrow]

Not me.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yo, I forgot what platform it was. But C. Gutter was doing an interview, and they asked him about that line.

[Terry Dubrow]

He was like, yo, I ain't like that.

[Podcast Host 2]

He was in the studio. I was like, yo, why would you say that about it?

[Terry Dubrow]

I'm a hooligan out here.

[Podcast Host 2]

I'm not butt raping nobody, throwing them off the brick.

[Rory]

Like, what is wrong with you, O. Oh, my God.

[Podcast Host 2]

Big was like, I'm trying to make the Mafioso. Like, I'm gonna make a mystery out of. He was like, I don't want that Fuzz Bubble, though. Can we click?

[Rory]

Can we click on Fuzz Bubble? Listen, who that is?

[Podcast Host 2]

He might be a legend. We just don't know.

[Podcast Host 1]

Got no picture.

[Rory]

He from Long Island. He from LI Rock group. Oh, it's rock power. Oh, it's rock Rock.

[Terry Dubrow]

Cuz I was bugging like that.

[Rory]

Yeah, that was a group from Long Island. Okay. All right. That's why we didn't know about Fuzz Bubble.

[Podcast Host 2]

Mark Curry doesn't get any. Any lyrical love with Bad Boy. Nah, damn.

[Rory]

You don't fuck with McCurry. Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Nah, he has some joints. He wrote some of Puff's best joints.

[Terry Dubrow]

He did hooks and shit.

[Rory]

Nah, he wrote the joint on the Godzilla soundtrack.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, he definitely wrote that.

[Terry Dubrow]

But puff rapping on the Godzilla soundtrack is not like puff rapping on that first shit. No Way Out.

[Rory]

No, no, no, definitely.

[Terry Dubrow]

That's Mason Kiss.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Terry Dubrow]

And he was sounding. I'm saying, like he ain't never really had no rhythm to me, but he was sounding like that's the best he ever sound rapping.

[Podcast Host 2]

I. I mean, I know we're not allowed to say that's a classic album to me.

[Terry Dubrow]

No Way out. Yeah, facts.

[Podcast Host 2]

Like facts. I don't think there's any way to get around, especially when you not a rapper.

[Terry Dubrow]

Like, that was fire. And he did more numbers than anybody on Bad Boy with that. So he was Feeling himself off of that.

[Podcast Host 2]

Like, going to be a party promoter and exec. And they're like, you know what? I'm gonna just rap real quick and drop a classic. Classic conference.

[Terry Dubrow]

6, 7 million. But he had Mason Kiss writing everything.

[Podcast Host 2]

Of course.

[Terry Dubrow]

It was like. That was easy.

[Podcast Host 1]

Easy.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah, that was easy.

[Podcast Host 2]

I was gonna say where you put Puff on the list.

[Rory]

No, we can't do that.

[Podcast Host 2]

No, we can't do that.

[Rory]

Nah, he didn't write. He didn't write no raps. We're not doing that.

[Podcast Host 2]

All right, While we're still on music, Mo, blink your eyes twice if we're getting a Jay z Reasonable Doubt 30th Anniversary Concert at Barclays Center. Just blink twice. You don't have to say yes or no.

[Rory]

Just getting a. What, a 30th anniversary reasonable doubt concert.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yep, you just blink.

[Terry Dubrow]

That's all at the Barclays, though.

[Podcast Host 2]

Just breathe. You don't have to say anything. Just breathe. If it's. If it's yes,

[Terry Dubrow]

maybe the Garden.

[Podcast Host 2]

Because, you know, there is a rumor.

[Rory]

Yeah, I know there's a lot of rumors.

[Podcast Host 2]

No, not the rumor in your group chat. I'm saying a rumor, like amongst us civilians.

[Rory]

It's a lot of rumors, man. I know people be like, oh, the. The Barclays is booked out for two weeks in between the Liberty and this.

[Terry Dubrow]

That.

[Podcast Host 2]

Well, oh, let's not skip steps because Hov and your brother change Jay's name back to the little dot dot thing.

[Terry Dubrow]

J Y hyphen.

[Rory]

Control and manipulating life, man.

[Terry Dubrow]

Hey, J A Y hyphen. I like that with the two little dots.

[Podcast Host 2]

Then they put out Dead Presidents one on streaming, which it hadn't been on there before, then did jay z30.com. There's vinyls, there's merch. I don't think Jay just does shit to do shit. And based off all the deals that we know, your brother and him, that's the baby that they own. They own that in its totality. I don't even need to do some blueprint shit and get fucking Universal involved. I could just do Reasonable doubt. I own 100% of this shit.

[Rory]

Right?

[Podcast Host 2]

There's no way that they're not taking that opportunity. I think just based off the Liberty having away games, I think Biggs was like, we should do it.

[Rory]

You think Biggs said that?

[Podcast Host 2]

I think Biggs was the one that pulled up the Liberty schedule.

[Rory]

It's not far fetched.

[Terry Dubrow]

I don't know.

[Rory]

I definitely didn't ask, and I don't. I honestly don't know. But I would I wouldn't be surprised. That makes sense. I think that it makes total sense to do it. I don't see why Jay wouldn't do it.

[Podcast Host 2]

And I mean, obviously the NBA draft is there that week, but it's. It's like a two week block.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

You only need.

[Rory]

You only need one night.

[Podcast Host 2]

Like conveniently on the week that it came out.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Thirty years ago, while you were living

[Terry Dubrow]

next door to the Five City Shits. We went to five cities in one day. I remember I was up north watching

[Rory]

that every stop and just performed. Five cities in one day.

[Terry Dubrow]

That's what he did. You remember he did that.

[Rory]

Five cities one day.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah, he did. Five cities One day.

[Rory]

That sound like some Jake. Just hop on the jet.

[Terry Dubrow]

Just hopped on the jet. Chicago, Louisiana.

[Rory]

Cross time zone.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah, he finished off in New York, but I.

[Podcast Host 2]

All right. Do we have predictions of what? I don't think just doing a show. I don't think that's enough.

[Rory]

You want Reasonable Doubt too?

[Podcast Host 2]

I don't. Oh, hell no.

[Rory]

I don't want Jay to put out no more. No. Another album. Because you're gonna have guys like Yachty and I'm gonna on it say it's trash. Nobody want to hear that lyrical. Lyrical miracle.

[Podcast Host 2]

But do you think that they're. They would put out dead presence on streaming, have this website just. Just for one concert? I feel like there's going to be more around this. I don't know. I don't know.

[Podcast Host 1]

You too hopeful?

[Podcast Host 2]

No, I don't. I don't think Jay's putting out new music. I don't think this is around an album whatsoever. I just don't think you're doing a full website just for one Reasonable doubt anniversary concert.

[Rory]

I agree.

[Podcast Host 2]

I don't know what that is, but I think there's going to be much more attached to it. Mainly because the businessman that Jay Z is, this is an entity that he owns full outright. Right. Like there's. There's no other partner besides Biggs and I guess the state of New York. But that's neither here nor there. But I, I think they would put more into that because they own it outright than just doing a show at the Barclays. Like I think that's going to be part of it. I just don't know if that's going to be the only thing.

[Terry Dubrow]

But if you do both of them the same night.

[Podcast Host 2]

As far as what?

[Terry Dubrow]

The Barclays in the Garden.

[Podcast Host 2]

That would be crazy.

[Terry Dubrow]

Out of Tennessee up.

[Podcast Host 2]

I will say I was at. I was at Made in America when

[Terry Dubrow]

you should tell him that. You should tell him that in the Garden same night, the city up. Nobody else could do that. You could sell both of them out. Nobody else could do that, bro.

[Podcast Host 2]

When we were at.

[Rory]

When he headlined and live streamed him going from Brooklyn to the Manhattan on

[Podcast Host 2]

the train with the pottery lady.

[Rory]

Again, have like one train. Like, had a J train taken from Barclays to.

[Terry Dubrow]

That'd be fine. You did five cities before.

[Podcast Host 2]

Wait, so they're gonna. They're gonna move the J train to a new. Another part of Brooklyn.

[Terry Dubrow]

You could put the sign up. You could just put the sign on.

[Podcast Host 2]

I don't think mom gotta be doing all that.

[Rory]

All you gotta do is change the.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, they can do that. Okay, I thought you meant, like, spell

[Podcast Host 1]

it like J a Y.

[Rory]

But if Jay gonna do that, he would actually. He would actually. He would do some super ill and have the whole train painted over. Reasonable D out and let it take him from Barclays to the.

[Podcast Host 2]

To the Garden and perform on the. Well, they. They put WI fi in the trains and took it away. You could live stream somehow if you're Jay Z and continue your performance like you keep rapping on the train on the way to the guard.

[Terry Dubrow]

Do the New York.

[Rory]

It's not a long train.

[Terry Dubrow]

You doing New York while you on the train.

[Podcast Host 2]

If you. If we can change the letter.

[Terry Dubrow]

Doing New York while you on the train on a J and a Z. On a J and a Z line. Put in New York.

[Podcast Host 2]

Alicia Keys on the piano on the platform.

[Rory]

Yeah, we saying all of that. All of this sounds great, right? And guess what? A lot of these streamers, this trash.

[Podcast Host 2]

Who cares?

[Rory]

I'm just saying.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yo, but I'm saying certain people.

[Rory]

That's gonna love that. That would be amazing. And it's gonna be a sector that has a lot of control and I guess, you know, fragmented media, right. They're gonna have their own streaming platform watching it. Yo, this is trash. This shit is trash stuff. So it's like, who?

[Podcast Host 2]

I don't think Jay's thinking about any of those.

[Rory]

Of course he's not.

[Terry Dubrow]

But like, the young streaming.

[Rory]

I'm talking about the younger. Just the younger genre. The younger audience.

[Terry Dubrow]

But is gonna be older. Way longer than they gonna be younger. So with them young, think respectfully. That's how you pull the move with the Young streamer.

[Podcast Host 2]

Their whole life is based off negativity. Jesus Christ himself will come back and be like, yo, why are you wearing sandals? Like, there'd never be. You're never gonna. You're never gonna impress these guys.

[Rory]

Why Jesus didn't have one of some balencies. Right.

[Terry Dubrow]

Y them regular sandals on.

[Rory]

Put on some bis.

[Terry Dubrow]

He don't.

[Podcast Host 2]

How could I pray to somebody wearing that?

[Rory]

Yeah. I. I think there's something more attached to the Reasonable Doubt. I honestly haven't asked, but I. I'll hit bigs and ask him, though. Like, it got to be. It got to be something happening.

[Podcast Host 2]

Jay not just selling T [e-mail].

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

You not creating that just for the of it. Because you would just sell your vinyls and T shirts on your regular.

[Rory]

I just don't. I don't know, man. I don't know if Jay is inspired or motivated right now, but that.

[Terry Dubrow]

You don't.

[Podcast Host 2]

You could be music. You could be Inspired by the 30th anniversary of your first album.

[Rory]

Yeah. No.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Performing is Ocean to honor that.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

I'm not saying he's about to put out Reasonable Doubt, too.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

I'm not saying he's gonna do his fallout.

[Rory]

I would like to see him put the album back out and then put, like, two new tracks on there. I wouldn't be mad at that. Like, two new tracks or Reasonable Doubt. Like, don't give us a whole new album.

[Terry Dubrow]

Just give us two, like, two bonus joints.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

But that fit with that time. But he should do what he sound

[Terry Dubrow]

like that time on Volume.

[Podcast Host 2]

Was it Volume three when you had to skip ahead? The last record was like, 20 minutes long.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

You had to. You had to fast forward on your Walkman to get like. You should be half. It's only on the vinyl, and you got. You gotta wait 20 minutes.

[Rory]

Hip hop did that. Because I forgot who did that on the album. And that's what hip hop got that was inspired to do that at.

[Podcast Host 2]

There was a single one. The. Of the three records that were at the end of volume three, one of them was like. They put a single at the end of that.

[Rory]

Yeah, that was Hop doing that. Because I forgot what album he heard. And he was like, oh, like, you let the tape play like it's another song in there. And everybody's like, word. So when he A and R. Reasonable Doubt, he was inspired to do that. He was like, nah, we got to do that on this album.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. Because that. I think it was two or three records on volume three that you had to fast forward to. But no, I would love to watch.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah. I don't really want new music from Jay neither, though.

[Podcast Host 2]

I do. I mean, I always.

[Terry Dubrow]

I wouldn't mind it, but I ain't looking for it.

[Rory]

Don't get it twisted. If we open our phones right now and Jay's post a link for a new says new album Friday. Oh, I'm definitely. Yeah, but I just.

[Terry Dubrow]

And if he never do it, I don't care.

[Rory]

Yeah, but if he don't do it, because obviously he's a legacy act at this point. But I'm just saying, like, I just don't. I can't sit back and just watch the Internet tear down a J album. Like, that shit will really piss me off because all this other shit that y' all hype up and say is dope and it's hard and this nigga is, ah, ah, whatever. Jay put out a new album, and y' all niggas trashing. Like, that's just gonna cause a whole divide.

[Podcast Host 1]

Like, you gonna crash out.

[Rory]

No, I'm not gonna cry. My crash out days is over with. I'm not doing that. But it's just like, I don't wanna even see that. Like, I don't even want n to get the opportunity to disrespect the legends. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's just like, they waiting to do that. Oh, shit. Trash. This nigga's still rapping. Like, nobody wanna hear this shit. Da da.

[Terry Dubrow]

They ain't doing that to TI Are.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yes, they are.

[Rory]

They are.

[Terry Dubrow]

I ain't see that.

[Podcast Host 1]

Only Atlanta is not doing it TI

[Rory]

I. I think Atlanta's doing it to TI Too, though. I think some in Atlanta ain't jacking that.

[Terry Dubrow]

I'm not jack.

[Podcast Host 2]

A lot of people like it more than I thought.

[Terry Dubrow]

I'm saying the. When he was in front of the car,

[Rory]

that was Pharrell did, right?

[Podcast Host 1]

I think so, yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

I like the Pharrell record. That was.

[Terry Dubrow]

I. But I'm saying the disc records is dirt. I don't like the disc records.

[Rory]

I think is just too old to be making disc records. They though, like, when you 45, 46, like, I just think that when your

[Terry Dubrow]

kids is in college, the kid thugging on the Internet, you can't be making dis, right?

[Podcast Host 2]

50 did reply this morning, sort of via IG. He said, I don't need me to rap. You need me to rap.

[Terry Dubrow]

Get off my page.

[Rory]

Wait, 50 said, I don't need me to rap.

[Podcast Host 2]

I don't need. You need me to rap. You need me to rap. Get off my page.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yo, yo, yo, yo. 50 got like 49 million monthly listeners on Spotify. T. I got like 14. I wouldn't have did no verses with no like that, neither. Is that much disparity? Is that much disparity? I'm just saying, off of pure music, son, is not going on stage where he's calling you a rat. I don't. I don't know why you would want to do a versus with a calling you a rat. Been calling you a rat for 20 years.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's a fact.

[Terry Dubrow]

And you want to do a versus with this? You supposed to want to fight this. Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

I mean, Gucci did. Did this, though. And not that anyone called each other

[Rory]

a rat, but somebody died, though.

[Podcast Host 2]

Some history there. That's even crazier than calling somebody a rat.

[Terry Dubrow]

You was mans before they was cool before. That's a totally different story. We from here, we was cool before some shit happened. That's different. Jeezy and Gucci, they was cool before they did songs and all that together before they was I.

[Podcast Host 2]

So they reconciled, and I think people kind of guessed that that was.

[Terry Dubrow]

That's like a reconciliation. Right. When you used to be cool, then you wasn't that you back cool. That's TR50. Never was CO. Never was my man, homie.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. And I mean, that even goes back to. I don't know if y' all remember when the swagger like us days. Remember when was on the stage when

[Terry Dubrow]

he tried running laps around them?

[Podcast Host 2]

The swagger like us, he was running laps around them.

[Rory]

Puff J.

[Terry Dubrow]

He was running laps around them.

[Podcast Host 2]

Literally and figuratively.

[Terry Dubrow]

That's a fact. That's what he was telling them on that stage. I'm running laps around you.

[Podcast Host 2]

Y' all clicking up, and I don't.

[Terry Dubrow]

I'm running laps around y'. All.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's what he did, though, at that point, 50 was kind of checked out from music.

[Rory]

Was he?

[Terry Dubrow]

Nah,

[Podcast Host 2]

I get money was 07.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Like us was what, 08? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Now I'm running last round. Yeah.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

I'm jogging on the stage.

[Terry Dubrow]

I'm running laps around y', all, man. Y' all ain't doing nothing.

[Podcast Host 2]

I might play AO technology and run around the gym, but it goes back far.

[Rory]

You know how I feel about that record.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's why I said just.

[Terry Dubrow]

That was a big song, but I hated that on that tape.

[Rory]

She worked the poll. She worked the polls.

[Terry Dubrow]

What 50 the most simplest. I'm telling you.

[Rory]

Turn that off. Love 50. But that record I hated.

[Terry Dubrow]

I like the first four songs on that album. And then after that, I was cool.

[Rory]

Get Rich.

[Terry Dubrow]

That's Curtis.

[Rory]

Oh, I'm about to say you. Wow.

[Podcast Host 2]

You thought AO Technology was on Get Rich?

[Rory]

No, I Thought he was saying it off his. Off the album. Off the.

[Terry Dubrow]

Off the I think Mask is better than Get Rich show.

[Podcast Host 2]

You said that to me the other week. And n what Massacre I think doesn't

[Rory]

get you was locked up when the albums came out.

[Terry Dubrow]

Regardless what that mean.

[Podcast Host 1]

You just had that on repeat. You just memorized it.

[Terry Dubrow]

Both of them.

[Rory]

I think Massacre is better than convinced

[Podcast Host 2]

me to have a better appreciation for Massacre once we went through it. Because it's been a minute since I like listen to Massacre. It's not better than Get Rich, but

[Rory]

it's better than we think it is.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, yeah. It was just so commercial at that point.

[Terry Dubrow]

And what happened was he gave away some real big songs. And during that same time too you heard. So you was hearing them Game records and you was like oh. And then when his came out it was like damn, you should have put those on this tape. You know what I'm saying? But that tape though, if you go through them records, that is fire son. The Massacre, son. I like that better than Get Rich.

[Rory]

Better than Get Rich.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yes. I like it better than Get Rich.

[Rory]

No, I respect. Okay. What you say you like it better

[Terry Dubrow]

Get Rich has songs on it. It that like I was in the streets Thug into the album came out three years later after I was off of the streets. And it's like why is this on here? And I'm saying why. Why is this. Why is this song. You get shot running the cops. You not like why is this on Get Richard die trying.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

And I mean Wangster Wangster was a year old.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Terry Dubrow]

Paul Little Rich. That was a year old already. It was songs on there that I knew word for I'm listening to the album is looking at how the you noticed. Son. We just went to town riding around going up town to this every day.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. You're not like me was like 4 years old at that point.

[Terry Dubrow]

You not like me was older than that.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's why it's like a bonus record. It's not even like it's another one.

[Terry Dubrow]

Murder I don't believe that's what he had. Ja Rule chain that's from 99.

[Podcast Host 2]

But that they put those as bonus joints just cuz the rest of the world didn't hear those. Which I which I understand Jimmy Ivine and them doing that. But you did make a good point with Massacre. If you take the records that 50 gave game off documentary and replace it with the.

[Rory]

The.

[Podcast Host 2]

The subpar records on Massacre now.

[Terry Dubrow]

Now we have a debate. We have a real debate about classics back to back.

[Podcast Host 2]

Oh, easy. Because I think. I think documentary is a classic and documentary and just that run of. Of going from Get Rich to Beg for Mercy documentary straight out of Cashville.

[Terry Dubrow]

Hunger for more.

[Podcast Host 2]

Hunger for more. I think Thoughts of a Predicate Felon is.

[Terry Dubrow]

That's a good album too that you

[Podcast Host 2]

do in three years is find me any record label. Death Row maybe soundtrack.

[Terry Dubrow]

The Get Richard Die Trying soundtrack.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. That's all within three to four years.

[Terry Dubrow]

51st five years is the best five years in hip hop. That's the best first five year run ever in hip hop, son. I don't care what nobody say.

[Podcast Host 2]

And a lot of people disagree with you are probably younger because they weren't there. They don't know that. That it controlled the world.

[Terry Dubrow]

Name one. Name a five year run that like all of that shit he just named. It's more shit we gotta.

[Podcast Host 2]

It's more stuff you add in a video game, you add in fucking watches, sneakers, clothes.

[Rory]

Those was nasty.

[Podcast Host 2]

So what you add in vitamin water? We wouldn't even have vitamins or water if it wasn't for that era.

[Rory]

Vitamin water was trash.

[Podcast Host 1]

Vitamin water was so nasty.

[Rory]

That shit tastes like it was in somebody else mouth already.

[Terry Dubrow]

I never drunk that shit.

[Rory]

That shit was terrible.

[Podcast Host 2]

But that's why 50 to me was ill. Cause he literally said, oh, I get money. I said, I took quarter water, put it in bottles, two bucks.

[Terry Dubrow]

Coca Cola came, bought it for beans.

[Podcast Host 2]

What the 50 knew that was trash.

[Rory]

N quarter way better.

[Podcast Host 2]

Quarter I could drink quarter way better

[Terry Dubrow]

than the grape 50 cent juice for sure. 50 cent was purple, bro.

[Podcast Host 2]

But at this age, I promise you, if you drink a quarter water vers that we like.

[Rory]

You like formula 50. That's what formula 50 formula 50 was.

[Terry Dubrow]

Nah, give me my little huggy, homie.

[Rory]

Yeah, give me the little.

[Terry Dubrow]

Give me my little huggy. I'm good on that.

[Rory]

The grape quarter water, the one in the back though, at the back of

[Terry Dubrow]

the fridge by the fan mag.

[Podcast Host 2]

Cold.

[Rory]

Grab that one, cuz. That's going. That's going to stay cold till you get back to the block.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, Formula 50 had like that after you take cough medicine aftertaste. That's kind of what Formula 50 tasted like. That was kind formula.

[Rory]

That was terrible.

[Terry Dubrow]

No worrying now.

[Podcast Host 2]

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[Terry Dubrow]

Yo son. Fifth first five years in the game. Who got a first five? Who got a better first five years than that?

[Rory]

As far as the music or just overall?

[Terry Dubrow]

I'm saying overall.

[Podcast Host 2]

Overall. Go overall.

[Terry Dubrow]

How dare you.

[Rory]

N. 50, 50. When he dropped, that was he. He shook the entire. The entire industry up for sure.

[Podcast Host 2]

It's. And it's also not fair because. All right, you could say. Say you say Drake had a great run in his first five years.

[Rory]

Musically, nobody had to run that. Drake has cool.

[Podcast Host 2]

But what's up?

[Terry Dubrow]

That's Cap usually the artist usually better than Drake first five years.

[Rory]

Musically, musically.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah.

[Rory]

No, it's not, man. What are you talking about? Music? Just music.

[Terry Dubrow]

Just music?

[Rory]

Hell no.

[Podcast Host 2]

How.

[Rory]

How, how. How are you saying that? Are you talking just talking music? If you talking about business and.

[Terry Dubrow]

And.

[Rory]

And other things outside of the music.

[Terry Dubrow]

Cause Get Rich or Die Trying. The Massacre, the soundtrack, Hunger for More the documentary Thoughts of a Predicate Felon, the Rotten Apple like all the Curtis. All of this come out in the first five years, bro.

[Podcast Host 2]

I booked the World Is Fire on the Low album.

[Podcast Host 1]

Are y' all talking about the success

[Podcast Host 2]

of the music or the quality of quality? That first five rounds there was not a bad G Unit album like they all did the numbers. But if you go back, that's all quality.

[Terry Dubrow]

Nobody was whack. Nobody. Nobody had no records that were actually quality, quality.

[Rory]

All of that collectively cool, great. Y' all think that what Drake dropped in in his first five years is not better than all of that?

[Terry Dubrow]

You Told my father's album.

[Podcast Host 2]

I don't think it's fair conversation.

[Terry Dubrow]

You think Drake first album is better than get Richard die trying?

[Podcast Host 2]

No, you don't.

[Terry Dubrow]

Then it's over. The conversation is over. That's not because if your first album second album. You think his second album better than the Massacre?

[Rory]

Yes.

[Terry Dubrow]

Hell yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Terry Dubrow]

So Far Gone.

[Rory]

So Far Gone, like what are we talking about?

[Podcast Host 2]

Well, that wasn't his first album.

[Terry Dubrow]

I'm just talking about the second album.

[Rory]

Right.

[Podcast Host 2]

Thank Me later is his first album.

[Rory]

Thank Me later is his first album. Saying so Far Gone came out what the year before.

[Podcast Host 2]

Here's the thing with. With if you want to go with the run I I've set on record. I think you could argue so Far Gone is one of the best mixtapes ever. But it also compares with 50 Cent is a future God.

[Rory]

So Far Gone is the best mixtape ever.

[Terry Dubrow]

Nah. What man?

[Rory]

So Far Gone, son.

[Terry Dubrow]

That ain't better than G Unit is

[Rory]

the future than me get the out of Guess what.

[Podcast Host 2]

Back to me is my favorite mixtape of all time with that guy.

[Terry Dubrow]

Get out the club. I wish that's what get out the club and all that on it.

[Rory]

So Far Gone. Y' all remember what was on so Far Gone?

[Podcast Host 2]

Of course.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah. I just wish successful.

[Rory]

That's what made me like crazy as hell, man.

[Terry Dubrow]

That I first heard Drake when I first heard the name.

[Rory]

Better than some entire discography movies.

[Podcast Host 2]

No, a lot of people would say that that's Drake's actual classic. Is so Far Gone true. I wish it didn't come from you. Pause. Because I've said that when we've just been arguing mixtapes. I think people don't realize that.

[Rory]

Why you wish it didn't come from me?

[Podcast Host 2]

Because people just think you're biased and that's all we talking about.

[Rory]

The music is exists. The is out. Like, what do we go listen to it?

[Terry Dubrow]

I'm saying when I first heard that Drake on that you the best. I ain't like that. I said, yo, this is trash. And by the time I heard that on so Far Gone, it seemed like I knew the whole song. You heard put the key I was on. I was like, oh, this is fire. It's like I never heard it before,

[Rory]

but you like I knew the whole song ever.

[Terry Dubrow]

No, I don't go for that. Wow.

[Podcast Host 2]

Guess who's back. Rod Apple, G Unit. That's what's up. You're not like me. 50 bars, your life's on the line. Half these records made it on Get Rich. Let's just Start part there. This mixtape, half of it is get rich. You're not like me. 50 bars, your life on the line. Get out the club. Be a gentleman. You too hot with Nas and nature. Who you rep? Nas, Bravehearts Corner, Bodega, Ghetto Karan. As the World Turns. Who could freestyle? Stretch Armstrong freestyle. Do I freestyle this? This is the. Is the greatest mixtape of all.

[Terry Dubrow]

That is better than a Drake mixtape.

[Podcast Host 2]

50 Cent has the greatest. I'm not saying that so Far Gone is not in a conversation, but this is the greatest mixtape that's ever been put together.

[Rory]

Together. I don't know if I'm rolling with that, but that's why this is beautiful to have this conversation, because we all have different perspectives and different music that we like. You know what I'm saying?

[Terry Dubrow]

Besides successful. Besides successful. And so far going.

[Podcast Host 2]

So far going is flawless.

[Podcast Host 1]

You don't.

[Terry Dubrow]

You.

[Podcast Host 1]

You. You must not be familiar. Well, you need to go. Go back and revisit it.

[Terry Dubrow]

So Far Going.

[Podcast Host 1]

You need to. If you're even talking about successful, you need to go back and revisit.

[Podcast Host 2]

Also a weird comparison because I think it's the first mixtape that, like, really merged from. From an artist itself, not a dj that merged R and B and rap the way Drake did on that. So it's. It's a weird. Half the album is R and B.

[Terry Dubrow]

Like, yeah, that's probably why I'm not

[Podcast Host 2]

going to jack the best we have in our mind. 99.99 Mixtapes is music just music.

[Rory]

Forget if it's R and B or rap. We talking about the. The best body of music on the mixtape.

[Podcast Host 1]

But there's a reason why people don't.

[Terry Dubrow]

You don't.

[Podcast Host 1]

You can't really come.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, people would compare it to, like, Cuddy's mixtapes before. They would compare it to. To Guess who's Back or Clue mixtapes or even Wayne's mixtape series.

[Rory]

But it's a mixtape.

[Podcast Host 2]

Mixtape series.

[Podcast Host 1]

Like, yes, it's a mixtape.

[Rory]

I'm just saying it's the best mixtape. I'm not saying it's the best rap mixtape or the best. I'm saying it's the best mixtape. That music on a mixtape was. That's. That's better than some albums. Like, what are we talking about about? That's all I'm saying. Now if y' all want to go whether it's the best R B mixtape or best rap, okay, then we can have that I'm saying mixtape, period. It's not a commercial album. It's a mixtape.

[Terry Dubrow]

That's a hell of a monkey wrench right there, where you just say, okay, it's the best mixtape. I thought we was on some rap.

[Podcast Host 2]

Here's the thing I'm getting. I also think completely wrong, if you get down to it, the impact that mixtape had. I don't know if there's been a mixtape that had had an impact that legitimately. Of course, it derived from 808s and heartbreaks, but I don't know if there's been a mixtape that's changed the trajectory of how music sounds the way so far.

[Terry Dubrow]

No, it's definitely.

[Podcast Host 2]

It changed how everything.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yes.

[Podcast Host 2]

It's operated after that.

[Terry Dubrow]

I tell people that it's rap after Drake. And so that mixtape right there is

[Podcast Host 2]

the one where you say it's really.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah, it's like, music change.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, I agree there. But, yeah, so Far Gone was kind of that the same way it pivoted with 50 and Kanye going face to face and Kanye winning. Where the nerds beat the streets. That pivot. And then right to. So Far Gone, to me, is the next pivot in hip hop. And then you get to the XXL freestyle of 2015, when it was yachty and all them. That was the next pivot to me.

[Terry Dubrow]

All us street niggas knew Kanye was gonna win that, son.

[Podcast Host 2]

The whole world kind of did. And it just.

[Terry Dubrow]

We knew that, like, it was like 50 was like he was feeling himself more than anybody else was feeling him at that moment.

[Podcast Host 2]

Moment.

[Terry Dubrow]

It was like.

[Rory]

But he had a right to. As far as. As far as.

[Terry Dubrow]

Like, he had a right. You can't be on your dick more than anybody else is on your dick, though. I can't. I feel like you can't do that.

[Podcast Host 2]

It sounds like a biggie bar.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah. Like, you can't do that, bro. That's amazing. Ball actually rock my own knock. My own. Like, I'm on my own dick. You know what I'm saying? Like, you can't do that, though. I feel like that's what. That's why he messed up with that.

[Podcast Host 2]

But I think 50 knew that too, because 50 got desperate.

[Terry Dubrow]

50 said Jimmy Ivine and them wouldn't ship nothing. They wouldn't buy up a bunch of them shit.

[Podcast Host 2]

You remember, like, right towards the end, like, the week before everything was dropping. 50 said, if Kanye wins, I'm gonna quit rap. So if y' all don't buy my album, just know I'm never rapping again.

[Terry Dubrow]

He knew what was going on.

[Podcast Host 2]

No, I know he. We all knew that 50 was gonna lose that and if you get down, like, as much as I like Curtis, though, you were dealing with graduation. Like, what are we talking about?

[Rory]

It was just a different moment. Like that Kanye.

[Podcast Host 2]

The world was shifting.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Everything. The Internet came, like, everything was different.

[Rory]

That was the Clash of the Trolls, though.

[Terry Dubrow]

Soulja Boy was lit.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. Oh, hell yeah.

[Rory]

I don't know about that.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah, he was lit.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's what he popped seven.

[Terry Dubrow]

He still was.

[Podcast Host 2]

Well, he popped off earlier, but that

[Podcast Host 1]

was like kind of like his prime.07.

[Terry Dubrow]

Crank that soldier. I remember. I remember watching all of these videos at the same time.

[Podcast Host 1]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm done with this. Yeah, I'm done with this.

[Podcast Host 2]

Did you catch that on that camera?

[Terry Dubrow]

Don't ever do this. Netflix. You talk about Crank that on Netflix.

[Podcast Host 1]

You were in jail at that time.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

You were in jail

[Terry Dubrow]

when he was born in 02. I came home in 2020.

[Rory]

Yeah. So all this. We talk about

[Terry Dubrow]

everything.

[Rory]

Everything we talking about. He was in jail.

[Podcast Host 1]

You knew how to do the whole. You learned how to do the Soulja Boy in jail.

[Terry Dubrow]

N. I just know how to do that part.

[Podcast Host 1]

Oh, nothing.

[Podcast Host 2]

Walking out your cell like,

[Terry Dubrow]

Yo, listen, I was in his spousing. Wendy, Wendy, that's upstate, right? So it's mad like, that's the perfect spot for the upstate. The Buffalo, Rochester. So they. They. They. They on different type of time than city niggas anyway. You heard? Yeah.

[Rory]

Lying.

[Terry Dubrow]

Them used to be coming out to sell. They. They making fun of the and all that.

[Rory]

You.

[Terry Dubrow]

You. That was hilarious. You heard worried about bubble son Soulja

[Rory]

Boy they was doing to you in prison.

[Terry Dubrow]

Just so you know.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's big. Of course he know cold killers.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Terry Dubrow]

You the first to have doing your dance in jail. My

[Podcast Host 2]

now click that.

[Terry Dubrow]

And at Big Draco straight up.

[Rory]

That is hilarious. Hit the cell and is doing that come out.

[Terry Dubrow]

They're like,

[Rory]

word.

[Terry Dubrow]

The mother said little had crying, right?

[Rory]

Oh, my God.

[Terry Dubrow]

All that was the same time, though. Like 07 mem soulja boy 15. Kanye going at it. Ti you could have whatever you like. All that was like, the same time.

[Rory]

You remember Sicario? Of course.

[Terry Dubrow]

Sicario.

[Rory]

You don't remember Sicario?

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah, the magazine.

[Podcast Host 2]

Same reason we was talking off mic with Nas going on that rant about Angie. He used to rap with us.

[Rory]

He used to rap with Angie Martinez.

[Podcast Host 2]

He raps a lot like hov.

[Rory]

You remember Sakario. You heard this before.

[Terry Dubrow]

I probably got confused the with the from on B Mall Noe. That was with Jim Jones and them niggas. I remember sound just like Hov, you're crazy.

[Rory]

Billy Bath Game.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah, he used to sound. I had some. Every tape that used to come out mixtape used to be on that sounded just like, ho.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. You brought up Billy Basket on this podcast before which I was like, yo, how did that name even.

[Rory]

Billy Bath Gate. I remember. Billy Bath Gate.

[Terry Dubrow]

I remember everything, son. I used to be looking for them. I used to want to rhyme against them. All them, they would tell me, yo, J. Mills is looking for. I'm looking for him. He was jumping out in hoods. Yeah, he was looking for. He hear you nice. He coming through your hood. His man got the camera. I was uptown looking for them.

[Rory]

Yeah, but that's the part of battle rap that don't really talk or know about. Is that when you literally go to blocks?

[Terry Dubrow]

Yes.

[Rory]

Like, I tell like, Rex, and all of them, they come from that. Like, Rex, Mooc, Lux. They literally would walk to go to whoever blocked. Like, imagine that I'm going to somebody's block.

[Terry Dubrow]

12 of them, 13 of them, and

[Rory]

we just standing on the corner waiting for a.

[Terry Dubrow]

Like, yo, you know, such and such. They don't know how you look or none of that. They could be asking you, yo, you know Rory? Like, no, I don't know him.

[Rory]

Yeah, like, they heard you rap. So they're like, yo, we don't get

[Terry Dubrow]

his man's and come back like, yo, you was looking for Rory? Yeah, that's him right there. I just asked y'.

[Podcast Host 2]

All. Yeah, I mean, that was. That was Mills and Mooc. They. They put it on camera. What was happening at that point at the state building?

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah, that was like.

[Podcast Host 2]

That was the first laugh to me. Like, when I was on the big

[Terry Dubrow]

screen, got a chance to see that. Yo, mind you, I got up north that spit. All of the battle raps, they know every battle rap. Yeah, they come like. You could tell a. Anybody you name. Like, yo, T Top. Let me hear some T Top. He know it. Like, they know everything. When I first got a chance to see that in front of the state building out, that's like some. That I was mad I wasn't around for.

[Rory]

Classic.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's. To me, that's a classic battle.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's a classic.

[Terry Dubrow]

I was looking at this like, damn, I'm mad I wasn't there. With a throwback on everything, big ass hat. Like, I was mad I wasn't there.

[Rory]

That's when it. Because now. Now battle rap is different. It's more performing formative now. Now it's like spoken word. It's a lot of Theatrical.

[Podcast Host 2]

But that kind of derived from. From Mills and Mook to me, from that battle. And even kind of what Sirius Jones and Mook were doing. Lux and Mook were doing.

[Rory]

Nah. Because when Mills and Mooc, that battle, those bars could be tailored for anybody. That rap now, it wasn't specific. Now it's more tailored for the individual.

[Terry Dubrow]

Same raps. Mooc would have spit.

[Podcast Host 2]

But I'm stopping.

[Terry Dubrow]

He would have told me them same exact raps in my hood.

[Rory]

Right. It was a difference.

[Podcast Host 2]

But Mills and Mook, they were saying personal that they said his government name in that.

[Rory]

No, you.

[Terry Dubrow]

It was.

[Rory]

It was. That was in there, like. But most of the rap was bars that they could spit at.

[Podcast Host 2]

Oh, well, that. No, that's why I'm saying they're the blueprint of the style now from those battles. Because I, Sirius Jones and Mook was all about where Mook went to school. Like, even Lux and. And Mook, in that regard, they. To me, they. They're the ones. And even how the style is.

[Terry Dubrow]

You don't like what they doing on Beast right now?

[Podcast Host 2]

Now, I don't mind it.

[Terry Dubrow]

I like it a little bit.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, I don't mind that. I don't know.

[Terry Dubrow]

Battle rap was instant game out of that. How was I trying to sicken this on this, sick this on that. It was working a little bit.

[Rory]

Which battling?

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah, it was working.

[Podcast Host 2]

Would you battle once?

[Terry Dubrow]

Start talking that. Suck my dick, man. I'm smacking the out of. Homie. I ain't playing. You gonna b. If we go battle, you gonna tell me. Tell me some. You would have told me in person. Like in a regular conversation talk. You tell me to suck your. My mom's. And I'm slapping the out of you, homie. I don't care about how much money it was on this stage. None of that. You ain't gonna tell. You ain't getting that off. I ain't playing. I don't play sports for certain reasons. Yeah, take a cheap shot. We ain't getting. We ain't. We ain't in the NBA. I ain't playing. Elbow me and my arm pulled. Oh, yo, we playing basketball now. I'm popping you over this. That's a cheap shot. You wouldn't have did that. You want to elbow me? We was just talking. But now you get to get an L. I'm not doing that. So that's why I wouldn't do that.

[Podcast Host 2]

If the understanding is that nobody actually means this and that entertainment purposes.

[Terry Dubrow]

Nah, just don't tell me to suck your wee Wee and I wei.

[Podcast Host 2]

No fair.

[Terry Dubrow]

You can say what I'm saying. Do your thing. I'm saying.

[Podcast Host 2]

But don't tell me that that's in the contract.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yes. It's a lie.

[Podcast Host 2]

I don't know. Suck my dick.

[Terry Dubrow]

I like that. Yeah, I like that. And putting my account in mind that if he's saying. And I smack the. Out of him, I can still get my money.

[Podcast Host 2]

We all still keep our money.

[Terry Dubrow]

Straight up.

[Rory]

Oh, my God, that's hilarious.

[Podcast Host 2]

Do we have voicemails? Sponsored by Boost.

[Rory]

You've got mail.

[Caller Mitch from Atlanta]

Best podcast in the world. My favorite podcast in the world. I watch how Faithfully. What up, baby? D is Mitch from Atlanta. I just. I got 90 seconds, so I'm gonna just try to hurry up and do this, but. All right. Say you with a woman for five years. You're in a relationship for five years, period. And. And you know what I'm saying? Y' all love each other, y' all best friends. Y' all done had a whole lot of first experiences together, then went to Mexico, cruises, all kind of shit. But during that five years, y' all have also been very toxic. And y' all drink every time y' all together. Tequila shots always lit. We watching baddies, we drinking, whatever. Whatever, right? So it was one night where she sees a pair of panties in my closet. Closet.

[Rory]

And I.

[Caller Mitch from Atlanta]

You know, I confused. I thought they were hers. But I also have a child, too. My son's mother. She used to live with me, like, seven, eight years ago or whatever the case may be. So I thought. I thought I got rid of all her shit. It's very easy if a shorty wear medium is very easy to just oversee that little article of clothing. At least that's. I mean, that's how I feel. You know what I'm saying? But she. She thought it was some new shit. I've never cheated on her in my life, and I don't cheat. I don't do that. You know what I'm saying? But she pours piss in my face when she sees these panties. We ain't talked for five, six months after that. Now we're back in each other's lives. And I don't know if I should be doing this right now. Y' all tell me Valentine's Day coming up. I'm trying to figure it out.

[Podcast Host 2]

All right, well, not cleaning your closet out in over five years. I don't know if there's much difference with piss being on you because you're doing dirty.

[Terry Dubrow]

What if they was clean?

[Rory]

Yeah, he probably didn't go to the back of the cloud. It's probably in a box or something, like, in the back of the closet.

[Podcast Host 2]

Like, they started. They were together for five years, which means there was time. It's probably six years that he's not even looked in his closet.

[Rory]

Yeah, but if they was, what if they're in a little box in the closet? Like, the top of the closet? Like, you just. You don't know that they in there.

[Podcast Host 2]

Six years or.

[Podcast Host 1]

He thought. Yeah, he said he probably overlooked it. He could have thought they were hers.

[Rory]

He thought they was hers. Don't piss in somebody. Faces crazy.

[Podcast Host 2]

Let's get to the important part.

[Rory]

Them. Yeah, like fucking pain draws.

[Terry Dubrow]

Like Pepsi.

[Rory]

Yeah. Pissing somebody's face.

[Podcast Host 2]

No, I think that's. Absolutely.

[Rory]

And, like, what she did. She pissed in the cup, like. And then, like.

[Podcast Host 1]

Or did she scoop it out?

[Terry Dubrow]

See? Felony.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Terry Dubrow]

At the same time, she posed to

[Rory]

not be here no more. Like, you supposed to.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's a different.

[Terry Dubrow]

That's a felony, son.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, that's a different level of thinking to think about how bad you have to piss and what size cup you grab from the cupboard. Like, nah, this one's too small. I gotta really piss, like.

[Rory]

And then she. So she put a cup and, like, squatted over the toilet and then went in the room and threw piss in his face.

[Podcast Host 1]

She could have just peed in the toilet and then a little bit out of the. Yeah,

[Rory]

I ain't as mad.

[Podcast Host 2]

There's fecal matter in the toilet.

[Terry Dubrow]

No matter how much you clean water, it's worse.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Terry Dubrow]

Scooping the water in the piss out the toilet is worse than just pissing the cups. They tell you they.

[Podcast Host 2]

And he didn't clean his closet in six years. I'm sure his toilets aren't up there.

[Rory]

Yeah, I ain't throwing. And then he back with her talking

[Terry Dubrow]

about Valentine's Day coming up.

[Podcast Host 1]

That thing. That thing bite back. Don't them all. That thing bite back.

[Terry Dubrow]

Snapper.

[Rory]

Or niggas just be, like, insecure. I don't know. It's one of the other. Either that pussy fire. Or he just insecure.

[Terry Dubrow]

He's supposed to be in jail.

[Podcast Host 1]

He said it's been toxic, though. So, like, he likes toxic shit because he said the relationship was toxic. They're always drunk together. Like, it's one of those.

[Podcast Host 2]

But for five years. You live together for five years and all y' all do is take tequila shots and watch baddies. You should drop dead.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Terry Dubrow]

Oh, my God.

[Podcast Host 1]

Are you cool today?

[Podcast Host 2]

No, I'm talking about how the human body works. Oh, for five years, y' all live together, and all y' all do for five years is take tequila shots?

[Podcast Host 1]

He's not say all y' all do. He just says, usually when we're together,

[Terry Dubrow]

we go out, we get drunk.

[Podcast Host 1]

A lot. A lot of people's relationships for five.

[Rory]

All right?

[Terry Dubrow]

He said they went to Mexico, cruises. They be doing all of that.

[Podcast Host 2]

Five years.

[Rory]

That's null and void when you throw pits in my face. I don't care how many cruises.

[Terry Dubrow]

None of that.

[Rory]

Y' all getting into too much other shit. You throw piss in my face. Our entire data is deleted. Sponsored by Boost Mobile. Unlimited talk, sex and that. You throw piss in my face. All of that is deleted.

[Terry Dubrow]

Calling for the account number.

[Rory]

Yeah, you threw piss in my face.

[Terry Dubrow]

Calling for the account number.

[Rory]

You could have slapped me. You could have, like, throw piss in my face. Nah, man, we not back together. Ain't no. Ain't no back together. Because he did all that, and it was like. So, yeah, we back together now.

[Terry Dubrow]

Valentine's Day is coming up.

[Podcast Host 1]

He like, I feel like I shouldn't be doing this.

[Podcast Host 2]

What's. I feel like I shouldn't be doing this. I don't live in. In this world because I'm with mul there. After someone throws piss in your face, what's the first text message? Hey, how do you even get back together after somebody throws piss in your face?

[Terry Dubrow]

You got to come bail me out. Cause I'm in jail. You got black eyes, missing teeth. You bailing me out. We back together. That's the only way that's gonna work. Yeah, you think you gonna.

[Rory]

I'm.

[Terry Dubrow]

I'm not. I don't put my hands on women, B. I don't do that. But if you throw piss on me, you not a lady.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, that's not.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah, that's a felony.

[Rory]

Yeah, you're an animal. You throw somebody.

[Terry Dubrow]

You could go to jail for that. That's assault. Yeah, in the first degree.

[Rory]

That's a fact.

[Terry Dubrow]

Bodily fluids.

[Podcast Host 2]

And to keep it even, if. If a dude threw piss on a girl's face and she stabbed him, I'd be like, well, you should have got stabbed.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Why don't you 100.

[Podcast Host 2]

I don't think there's another result after throwing piss in somebody's face. Butt violence.

[Rory]

Yeah. You can't, though.

[Terry Dubrow]

The only thing I can say is make my little sister whip your ass. Something. You gonna get hurt, though, for that.

[Rory]

I'm not.

[Terry Dubrow]

I'm not holding that down.

[Rory]

Yeah. I'm not. I can Never look you.

[Podcast Host 2]

And all they do is drink tequila and watch baddies. I know they're not hydrated.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah,

[Rory]

that was that. Yeah, that was that vitamin water. Yellow. Remember the yellow vitamin water? That was that.

[Podcast Host 2]

The energy one.

[Terry Dubrow]

Look like beer.

[Rory]

Yeah, that fizzed up like beer, too. When they hit him in his face.

[Terry Dubrow]

Look like beer had.

[Rory]

Wow. Piss bubbles sliding down his finger.

[Podcast Host 1]

Juice.

[Terry Dubrow]

Mad apple juice.

[Podcast Host 2]

Crazy.

[Rory]

That is crazy to throw piss in somebody's face.

[Podcast Host 1]

If you willing to stay with somebody after they. Or go back to somebody after they threw piss in your face. Y' all probably belong together.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah. Because somebody else found some panties.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Terry Dubrow]

And you be drunk. They might be off. You be drunk all of the time. They might drunk for five years. Yeah, you wild. You bugging. And we be drunk. I would have been in jail explaining.

[Podcast Host 2]

You found panties because y' all said it must be in the back end of a closet because it takes six years to find the shit. You can't talk your way out of that one.

[Rory]

Yeah, I could deal with a lot. But a woman throwing piss in my. I've never put my hands on a woman a day in my life. A woman throw piss in my face, I will forget everything. My mother.

[Podcast Host 2]

I'm on the side of no matter what man or woman. You should spit on nobody. Once spit happens, I feel. Feel like it's spit.

[Rory]

I would have lived with more than piss.

[Terry Dubrow]

Spit.

[Rory]

I live with.

[Podcast Host 2]

I draw the line at somebody spit on somebody.

[Rory]

I would have definitely been. Because my mom. My mom definitely listen. She know I would never. But if a woman spit my face, my mom would tell me, sh. You supposed to knock every tooth out her mouth.

[Podcast Host 2]

Don't. Your mother's a. A very kind.

[Rory]

My mom is from Holland. Spit my face. My mom said you supposed to knock every two, five.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yo, listen, like. Like, me and my brother had the reputation in the hood, right? Hooligans, right? So my little sister, she was on some. Like, she. She's stalling some. Cause she knows she got two brothers. Them will go to jail. They don't mind going to jail for murder, right? So we used to tell her, though. Yo, you got to be careful what you do. Cause some they don't. They don't care about what your brothers in them at all here doing at all you put your hands on might knock you out. Might break your jaw. So you got to be mindful of what you doing. And clearly, she had no male members in her family to tell her to be. Because, I don't know, like, down south. He said he Was in Atlanta, right? Yeah, yeah, that country nigga. I'm surprised he ain't drag her through his.

[Rory]

Cause you found some panties, you went to, you didn't slap him in his face.

[Terry Dubrow]

They snuff me.

[Podcast Host 2]

Boom.

[Rory]

You didn't fucking throw bleach on his clothes. You could have did all of that before squatting over the tub or the toilet, peeing in the fucking Tupperware and throwing it in my face like he's from Atlanta.

[Podcast Host 2]

It could be his kink.

[Rory]

Nah, hell no.

[Podcast Host 2]

Beep it too.

[Rory]

Throwing piss in my face. Nah, that's us. It's no coming back. You back with her, you might as well give her everything for Valentine's Day. Whatever she wants. Yeah, like, yeah, they belong together.

[Terry Dubrow]

You should have a Valentine's Day with her every month. It every 14th for every month you just go spend a bunch of money on it.

[Podcast Host 1]

I like that idea.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah, buy all kind of chocolates for. I mean get us some water pills though. So the next time you do it, this be clear, it don't stink and all of that. Yeah, get some water pills again.

[Rory]

Yeah. I ain't gonna lie. He better than me, dog. That one would never be in my presence ever in her life.

[Podcast Host 2]

I think he's better than everybody we've ever met.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's. That's ain't no coming back from that.

[Podcast Host 1]

And he said I never cheated. She must listen to this podcast. I never cheated.

[DJ Hester Prynne]

Never.

[Podcast Host 1]

Never.

[Rory]

What if you never cheated though?

[Podcast Host 2]

I don't believe him.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay, cuz, why you accept the piss if you never cheated? You wouldn't accepted that piss.

[Rory]

That's a good point.

[Podcast Host 2]

Still don't throw piss.

[Terry Dubrow]

But if he lost love her. What if he really, really love her? It been five years.

[Podcast Host 2]

Stop looking at me like.

[Terry Dubrow]

I'm just saying we love her.

[Podcast Host 2]

I know, I know love is the most important thing in this world, but I feel like urine being thrown in my face surpasses what keeps the.

[Terry Dubrow]

I feel like love is like any other feeling. Don't be mad forever. Ain't gonna be in love forever neither.

[Rory]

That's a fact.

[Terry Dubrow]

You bugging. Throwing piss on me.

[Rory]

Straight up in your face.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah, man, anywhere on the nigga but in your face. You taste it? Did that.

[Rory]

Yeah. You could have peed on my clothes, my bed. You could have did that, but you.

[Podcast Host 1]

Nah, peeing on my bed is crazy.

[Rory]

Throwing piss in my face

[Podcast Host 1]

all the time. Now you got a problem.

[Podcast Host 2]

But that's. I don't love it.

[Terry Dubrow]

I read that in the book and did that. I stood up on Somebody bed and pissed all over that bed. That's my word. Cut up some of my.

[Rory]

Oh, cause she cut your up?

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Okay. That's like.

[Terry Dubrow]

I ain't have a key. You lucky I ain't smear everywhere here. But, yeah, she cut up some nice.

[Rory]

You put on the bed, stood on

[Terry Dubrow]

that bed, peeing on that video, that and all that.

[Podcast Host 2]

But as a gentleman, you didn't throw piss in her face. You just peed on a bed, on

[Terry Dubrow]

the pillows, all of that.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's some gallon.

[Rory]

Yeah, she gotta get up new, all of that. Get everything new.

[Terry Dubrow]

That was a good blanket. She used to have a feeling. Ew, that bad. Silky smooth. That was a good blank. I peed on that pillow. Soft ass pillows get new. Yeah. Cut my up.

[Rory]

But see, that's a retaliation. That's a reaction to her cutting up his. Now, if she came home and. Cause zip found NBA sock under her bed. And then he. Now he's standing on top of the bed, peeing on the bed. He violated. He's wrong for that. Like, yo, that could be anybody's sock right now.

[Terry Dubrow]

Only them NBA get them NBA.

[Rory]

You can buy those on the website.

[Podcast Host 2]

Like.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

You think she. You think she's on NBA.com?

[Terry Dubrow]

yeah, right.

[Podcast Host 2]

You think she's just an avid fan? Yeah, she could be.

[Rory]

She a Nick fan. What you mean? That's why she got the Knicks.

[Terry Dubrow]

Big, big tube sock. She come up to your knee, pat your thigh. That had that on is clearly a 16. St is you doing. He clearly wear a 16. Can you see the size of that?

[Rory]

Yo, man. Yeah, n. I ain't gonna lie, homie. That's your. That's your boo right there. Y'. All. Y' all locked in if you go marry her. Yeah, if you look past her throwing piss in your face.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's what I'm saying. Don't feel wrong. If you look past that. That is fine.

[Rory]

He could see a video on her phone of her having sex with another Again.

[Terry Dubrow]

He gonna.

[Rory]

He gonna stay down.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, okay. I think that that's a little bit different.

[Rory]

They're throwing piss in your face.

[Podcast Host 1]

Some things may be worse to you and other things may be worse to other people.

[Terry Dubrow]

In Atlanta, I think there's men that

[Podcast Host 2]

could look at that video and move on. I don't think there's a man that could get get pissed thrown in his face. And no, he. That's his thought of her with another.

[Podcast Host 1]

The thought of her with another would probably crush him. He should just. You know, he'll deal with the piss

[Podcast Host 2]

the thought of piss being thrown in my face would crush. Yo, that's you.

[Podcast Host 1]

But not him, obviously.

[Rory]

I think that's 98% of us men you throw pissing. 90%. We're not going back to that woman. You crazy. Pissing my face, I think are a

[Podcast Host 1]

lot less strict than they pretend to be. Not you. I think you are fully as strict as you say you are, but a lot of men are a lot less.

[Podcast Host 2]

I'm not as strict as him. You think I'm letting a girl throw piss in my face and being like, yo, this my queen. All right, never mind.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yo, he.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah, I think.

[Podcast Host 2]

I think we going fight. We going fight. We going.

[Terry Dubrow]

All right, cool, bro.

[Rory]

I believe Rory. I believe Rory.

[Podcast Host 1]

I believe him. I never said nothing.

[Podcast Host 2]

I know. Your silence said everything.

[Podcast Host 1]

I was thinking, like, damn, I can't take the time to think wrong. This great.

[Rory]

He got to stay with Shorty, man. He got to stay with. Don't you. Y' all can't leave now, cuz. Now you forever the that got pissed on your face. If y' all break up, she gonna go tell her.

[Podcast Host 1]

She gonna tell her new. That she. Yeah, me and my ex. I mean, I found a his sheet.

[Rory]

I mean, I got girlfriends know for sure.

[Terry Dubrow]

She probably had the phone.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's Pissy Pete, whatever his name is.

[Terry Dubrow]

Phone right here. Make sure she can see it.

[Rory]

No, his name is Mitch. Pissy Mitch.

[Terry Dubrow]

Pissy Mitch.

[Rory]

Pissy Mitch. Pissy Mitch from Atlanta. Thank you for calling in, man.

[Podcast Host 2]

But in a romantic way. There's nothing they can't beat at this point. No matter what, anything God throws their way, they'll be able to beat it.

[Rory]

Yeah, they could beat the 96 Bulls. That love is forever right there. They don't give a fuck. They locked in. You ever see Treacherous Twin? They treacherous twins right there.

[Podcast Host 1]

Real treacherous.

[Rory]

Pissing your face. And y' all still like this Valentine's Day hugged up. Nah, nah, nah.

[Podcast Host 2]

And then have the nerve to say, am I bugging?

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah, you like I'm wilding.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm wilding. If my homeboy could tell me, yo, shorty threw piss in my face last night, I'm like, what? Two weeks later, if I see y' all out together. My homie, you a bozo.

[Terry Dubrow]

You might tell on me if some shit go down, too. I don't even wanna fuck with you no more. Cause you a sucker ass nigga, bro. You might be a wreck.

[Podcast Host 1]

No, I feel like it's the opposite. I feel like he. Like he'll stay down, do anything. Like he's too loyal.

[Rory]

Yeah, like I'm.

[Podcast Host 1]

It's too loyal.

[Terry Dubrow]

He ain't going to jail to leave that out here. You crazy.

[Rory]

Now, that's a fact. That's a fact.

[Terry Dubrow]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He leaving that out. He ain't going to jail.

[DJ Hester Prynne]

He.

[Podcast Host 2]

Everybody out.

[Rory]

Ain't no way he going to jail and leaving her in the crib. That's not happening.

[Terry Dubrow]

His mom.

[Rory]

He's telling everybody.

[Terry Dubrow]

Serving my mom, she be having it.

[Caller Mitch from Atlanta]

Yeah.

[Terry Dubrow]

All that. He telling on everybody out of here. I don't trust like that.

[Rory]

Yeah, N. He right. He got a zip. Got a valid point.

[Podcast Host 2]

All right, well, ironically, I have to piss, so.

[Rory]

Well, you always got to piss, man. You Irish. I piss, like, every 17 minutes, so it's real good. All right, well, we'll talk to y' all soon. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that. He's just ginger. That's zip with the drip. Let's get to that.

[Terry Dubrow]

Let's get to that. No worry now.

[Podcast Host 1]

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