Episode 472 | Hovpocrisy

Summary

New Rory & MAL – Episode 472: "Hovpocrisy" (March 26, 2026)

Episode Overview

This episode, titled "Hovpocrisy," sees Rory and Mall dive into the massive ripple effects of Jay Z's recent GQ interview and the ongoing conversations around rap beef, industry hypocrisy, and accountability. The duo dissects Hov’s perspectives on Drake vs Kendrick’s beef, challenges of being an elder statesman in hip hop, the contradictions that come with growing older in rap, and speculate on the state of Jay Z’s business and personal relationships, especially with J. Cole. The second half offers humorous but poignant takes on rap label “March Madness,” the evolution of young artists, industry dynamics, and media accountability, plus banter about “payola” and working in hip hop radio.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jay Z’s GQ Interview & The State of Rap Beef

• Stakes of Rap Beef: Is It Healthy?

  • The hosts dissect Jay Z's comments about whether current-day rap beef is beneficial or damaging, emphasizing how the stakes have escalated due to social media and intensified standom.
  • Rory outlines Jay's point:
    “Jay was suggesting that maybe where the stakes are now and where rap is now, the rap beef may not be healthy for the culture the way that it is weaponized…” (09:35)
  • Mall supports the idea of competition, but feels the “battle” element is intrinsic:

    “Battling is part of hip hop. It’s part of rap. It’s a competitive thing. Who’s the better MC?... I don’t think you could ever remove that.” (10:19)

  • Discussion of how beefs have changed with modern “stan” culture:

    “The stan shit is getting a little too toxic and nothing to do with music.” (13:07)

• Hypocrisy in Critiquing Rap Beef

  • Rory points out Hov’s contradictory stance:

    “That is extremely hypocritical when you then take that very toxic thing that Jay is speaking to and you put it on the largest platform ever with the Super Bowl.” (17:28)

  • Mall expands on how the “pedophile” accusations in the Drake/Kendrick beef changed the energy entirely, noting the big difference from earlier era beefs:

    “…once you introduce that energy into this, it’s a completely different thing now because the energy changes from everybody.” (15:50)

• Contradiction in the Business vs. Moral Stance

  • Both hosts note that while Hov can express exhaustion or alarm at rap beef’s toxicity, he also profited and amplified it on the biggest stage in America (the Super Bowl), making his stance seem contradictory.

    “You kind of have to just sit down and shut up a little bit if you’re doing that. Like, you could feel that way quietly, but you can’t say that and then contribute the way that you contributed.” (20:55)

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2. Jay Z’s Relationship with J. Cole & the Business of Auditing Labels

• Cole & Hov’s Current Relationship

  • Discussion on Frazier’s GQ interview asking about J. Cole, Hov’s PC answer, and what might be going on behind the scenes after an audit:

    “Jay Z gave a very, very good PR PC Jay Z answer of he’s very proud of J. Cole and everything that he’s done, but there’s shit behind the scenes like audits…” (41:30)

  • Rory speculates the audit is why Jay and Cole aren’t as tight:

    “But once you do audit somebody...I don’t know if you guys have the coolest relationship. It may. You may not hate that person. We’re not going to the studio.” (45:57)

  • Mall argues it’s just business and not necessarily a dead friendship:

    “Doesn’t mean that we can’t be friends. Doesn’t mean that we can’t sit down and do business after this. Doesn’t mean that it’s any hard feelings. It’s business.” (51:14)

• Industry Insights on Audits

  • Rory advocates for artists routinely auditing their labels, noting firms could make a killing if they did pro bono work uncovering label accounting errors:

    “If there was a law firm that did pro bono audits... they would make so much fucking money...if you audit a major label...you’re finding bread though.” (44:00)

• Hypotheticals and Lighthearted Auditing Bars

  • The hosts joke about how if Cole did get money from Jay in an audit, he shouldn’t ask for a feature, and Jay would just diss him on a verse about it:

    “Don't walk away with $5 million of my money and then text me, hey, I have this open 16 for you.” (50:06)

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3. Hip Hop Journalism & Radio: Payola, Bias, and Real Friendships

• Ebro, Payola, and Objectivity
  • Discussion around Ebro’s controversial comment that only Kendrick has “paid his bills” (i.e., supported his show), leading to a playful but insightful exchange about payola and objectivity in hip hop media.

    “I need to see tax returns on you and on Ebro because I got to see if TDE’s paying better or OVO's paying better.” (82:53)

  • Both Rory and Mall admit their own biases but emphasize still being able to critique those they like and work with:

    “You can disagree with people that support you...you can also still be, you know, like, yo, nah, I don’t just...I disagree with that move or I disagree with what you said.” (85:32)

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4. Parenting, Nepo Babies, and Jay Z the Dad

• Jay’s reflections on Blue Ivy’s work ethic as a “Nepo Baby” was seen as a rare billionaire-parent acknowledgment of privilege.

  “He straight up said it was the first thing she had to ever work for in her life...I thought that was like a perfect Nepo baby parenting point of view.” (33:41)

• Classic Jay as protective dad moment:

  “Blue wanted to be on every song. I said, if you think you’re dancing to six inch heels at this show, get the fuck off stage.” (35:52)

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5. Rap Label March Madness Bracket

• The hosts run through fan-voted “March Madness” matchups between legendary rap labels, with some upsets and playful banter about the power of public voting.
  • Example: “If y’all roaring Kitty Grand Hustle to the to the final four, I would be so fucking mad.” (103:37)

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6. Young Artist Energy & Industry Evolution

• Light debate about the new generation of rappers, the “Yeet effect,” the search for a new exciting young artist, and what sets apart current acts:

  “I want to like, I'm looking for the next young artist to like...like one of the 20-whatever-year-olds that has a different energy, different vibe, different sound...” (71:20)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Jay Z’s Hypocrisy (17:28)

“That is extremely hypocritical when you then take that very toxic thing that Jay is speaking to and you put it on the largest platform ever with the Super Bowl.” — Rory

On Rap Beef’s Energy Shift (15:50)

“Once you introduce that energy into this, it’s a completely different thing now because the energy changes from everybody. And I think that is what turned this into something that became more mudslinging, more of an attack.” — Mall

On Audits and Business (45:57)

“But once you do audit somebody...I don’t know if you guys have the coolest relationship...We’re not going to the studio.” — Rory

On Media Bias & Payola (82:53)

“I need to see tax returns on you and on Ebro because I got to see if TDE’s paying better or OVO’s paying better.” — Rory

On Parenting & Privilege (33:41)

“He straight up said it was the first thing she had to ever work for in her life...I thought that was like a perfect Nepo baby parenting point of view.” — Rory

On the Grand Hustle Bracket (103:37)

“If y’all roaring Kitty Grand Hustle to the to the final four, I would be so fucking mad.” — Rory

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Timestamps for Critical Segments

• Jay Z on Rap Beef & Hypocrisy: 08:10 – 24:36
• Super Bowl, Stand Culture & Amplification: 16:56 – 22:32
• Jay Z & Auditing/Relationship with J. Cole: 41:30 – 54:55
• Rap Beef, Audits, and Hypotheticals: 54:55 – 51:14
• On Ebro, Payola, and Media Objectivity: 80:06 – 86:23
• Jay Z as a Parent & Nepo Babies: 33:41 – 35:58
• Young Artist Talk – “Yeet” & Defining the New Wave: 71:09 – 74:47
• Rap Label March Madness Bracket Debates: 96:00 – 104:56

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Tone and Style

The episode is marked by Rory & Mall’s signature playful banter, authenticity, and ability to toggle between genuine critique, theoretical debate, and comedic takes. They balance fan curiosity, industry insider perspectives, and “just two guys talking hip hop” energy, never shying away from calling out contradictions (even their own) and embracing the grey areas of business, art, and culture.

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This summary is intended as an engaging, complete companion piece for anyone who missed the episode—or wants to revisit the most memorable beats of “Hovpocrisy.”

Transcript

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[Rory]

No worry, No conductor, no quarry in the MA. And ma.

[Mall]

Chloro.

[Rory]

We are back.

[Mall]

Yes, we are.

[Rory]

Middle of the week.

[Mall]

Yes, it is.

[Rory]

How's everyone feeling?

[Mall]

It's just me and you. And here. Rory, you can't ask how everyone's feeling. It's just me. Just ask me how I'm feeling.

[Rory]

Well, Peach is here, too.

[Mall]

You want me to get into it? All right. So, Jay, check this out. Right? Right. Yo, listen, you know, I.

[Rory]

Everyone relax. Everyone relax. All right?

[Mall]

Let me sip my water, man. It's not really water, but I'm gonna

[Rory]

call it water before we start. No one wins when the family feuds. I would just make that clear. That may have nothing to do with what you're about to say. I'm just saying no one wins when the family. I mean, yes, the song won.

[Mall]

Somebody in the family gonna win. Might not be you.

[Rory]

We are back, sponsored by Boost. Also this weekend, we have our merch Pop up shop. Yes, sir.

[Mall]

Cafe.com 286 Broome street this Saturday, come check us out. 1:00pm to 6:00pm we will be in the building. Shout out to C. Shout out to Carla. Everybody over there at Cafe called Motto.

[Rory]

Yeah, we picked a menu today. We have some beverages named after us.

[Mall]

Good vibes, good beverages. Good vibes, good food, good music, good eats, good conversations, good domino games. Excuse me. Bones. Let's play some bones. Fair play some bones. Just come out. Have a good time, man. We go kick it for a few hours, man.

[Rory]

Also, we're doing a little bit of intern hazing as well. Our intern, Ryan.

[Mall]

Ryan, you're out of here. It was a good run, baby.

[Rory]

He also DJs. But, I mean, Ryan was also born, I think in 2015 or something.

[Mall]

Yeah, 2017.

[Rory]

So, you know, we got to give him some time to grow. But if you'd like to intern Shane, come early because he will be on the wheels of steel.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Rory]

And we will be very critical of every transition that he does.

[Mall]

Yes, you can. You can. You can record him and post him and let. Let the people know on your feed if he's terrible or not. But ryan will be DJing. Shout out to our guy Ryan.

[Rory]

That's what he hit me today, that. I hope he feels better. He said he was sick, couldn't come in today. I kind of felt like maybe he was trying to take the time to.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

To lock in, get his.

[Mall]

Get his serato together. Yeah. Ryan, don't worry. Take an extra day. Get your serato together. It's all good, man.

[Rory]

Yeah, that or he was so excited that Yeet put out an interview that. Yeah, he couldn't make it here.

[Mall]

Probably both. Probably both.

[Rory]

How much heat do you think is

[Mall]

gonna be in the set? I hope none, but. Nah, anybody has me eating it. But I don't know if it's Yeet vibes, though. Is Yeet that early in the day?

[Rory]

What are the. Where. Where does he vibe?

[Mall]

I mean, you know, he just a little up tempo. It's a little, you know, I mean,

[Rory]

it's teenage mosh, a little rambunctious. Did you see the Yeet trackless feature thing they have? Yeah, it's like the weird of the world. Yeet has Sir Elton John on there.

[Mall]

Yeah, come on, man.

[Rory]

Listen.

[Mall]

Got the complexion for the connection.

[Rory]

I'm not here to on you. I don't know how we got down that path.

[Mall]

Shout out to Yeet Saturday.

[Rory]

We will be there. Also, our brother Gerald Prince Miller just put out an episode today with Joey Merlino, OG.

[Mall]

That is a. OGs. The OGs.

[Rory]

Great, great episode. Shout out to Joey Molino. Shout out to Snuff Skinny Joey's cheesesteaks, man.

[Mall]

Yes, sir. We gotta go down to Skinny Joey's.

[Rory]

Yeah, he said, I think they'll be there in two weeks. He said for us to come down.

[Mall]

All right.

[Rory]

Because I think him and Prince are doing something.

[Mall]

I didn't dare ask Joey and Little Snuff to make a vegan cheese cheesesteak. I thought. I thought they would.

[Rory]

What?

[Mall]

I just didn't think to. To like, yo, y' all ain't got a vegan cheesesteak on the menu.

[Rory]

You don't think a 50 year old Italian man from South Philly. Wouldn't be progressive about your vegan.

[Mall]

No, I just, I just don't think so. I just don't think so. So, but we gonna go down there and check them out. Support the guys anyway, though.

[Rory]

Yeah, absolutely. But yes, I've, I feared today.

[Mall]

Why, man? What's up? What are you scared of, man? You're an action star. You don't have to act bizarre. Yo, yo, I'm so mad y' all didn't let us, let me let that clip go out, man. When I was a hickory, I, I,

[Rory]

I mean, you want a little in. We thought we were protecting you. I don't know, maybe that was, let

[Mall]

me get my off sometimes, man. Come on, man.

[Rory]

It's kind of what, what was needed for sure. But yes, I, I didn't want to be responsible for any family feuds today. So I may ISO it a few times and kind of let you rock. Jay Z has been doing a lot of announcements, even added extra innings because the blueprint and Reasonable Doubt show sold out so quickly.

[Mall]

Yes, sir.

[Rory]

He did an interview with GQ that came out two days ago.

[Mall]

Yes, sir.

[Rory]

With our guy Frazier.

[Mall]

Shout out to Frazier, man. Great interview. Frazier, great interview.

[Rory]

And yeah, salute to him, Anton Nadeska. I just think it's great to see shout out to Nadeska, see great young journalists getting the looks that they deserve. I was very happy that Frazier did this interview. Where do you want to begin? Should we talk about all the positive things?

[Mall]

Sure. I think most of it was positive. It's always good to hear Jay Z. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[Rory]

But that's not what anyone focused on. He gave like a lot of gems and wise words that we could all live by and throw it fast. But nobody really wanted to see, to hear any of that. Oh, they wanted to, they wanted to hear. What's your opinion on rap?

[Mall]

Yeah, you know, that, you know, they want to hear. But understandably, right, Jay being who he is and having gone through another one of the, the biggest battles in our culture with him and Nas, we would

[Rory]

have killed Frazier if he didn't ask that question.

[Mall]

Yeah, he had to, he had to, he had to ask that.

[Rory]

But I mean, in, in ironically, the response to that is kind of what Jay was, was getting at. He was suggesting that maybe where the stakes are now and where rap is now, the rap beef may not be healthy for the culture the way that it is weaponized, where it's, you know, trying to ruin people's lives. The stands on the Internet all come Together to try and ruin your family. And, you know, maybe that's not the best way to push the culture forward. You can be competitive on a record instead of doing a rap beef. There can still be the competitive nature, but maybe it shouldn't be in regards to how far maybe some of the recent beefs have gone. And they fucking smoked him for saying that. And I'm not mad at people for it.

[Mall]

Yeah, I understand the pushback that people have on that, only. Only because I think it's necessary. I mean, if you. If you talk about, you know, and especially from hov's standpoint, I understand Jay is obviously the elder statesman now. He's in a different space, you know, in his life, where he maybe views things obviously differently than he did when he was so embedded in music and in rap and in the competitive nature of it all. But I think that that's part of it, man. I think that's, you know, battling is part of hip hop. It's part of rap. It's a competitive thing. Who's the better mc? You know, we have the debates all the time, whether it's, you know, in the barbershops on the block, you know, group chats, wherever it's online now, you know, social media, wherever you have these conversations and these debates. Because it's all subjective art. You know, people are going to listen to things and they're going to pick their favorites and debate them and say, why? I feel like this person is better than that person. I don't think you could ever remove that. I do understand how things now are discussed is a little differently. It's a little more polarizing because so many people have or what can be heard or be seen via social media. But I don't think we, you know, getting rid of it or it not being healthy or, you know, progressive for rap. I don't agree with that, you know, because you always gotta. You always gotta figure out through rap and through art, you know, who's the better artist, who's the better, you know, especially in rap. Like, that's just. I don't know what rap is without that.

[Rory]

Well, can you do that in the way that Jay said, as far as being competitive on a record together?

[Mall]

Yeah, you can, absolutely. I think it's both. I think you can be competitive on a record. And I think that, you know, end times, you know, MCs and artists are gonna have disagreements or have, you know, ways they feel about each other. And if they decide to express that through the music, you know, I would rather them do it through the music than to actually run into each other in the streets and it become physical.

[Rory]

Oh, I mean, of course.

[Mall]

So, yeah, so I would rather be that. I would rather it be through and us to, you know, display your skill set through rap than for it to turn physical. And that's what we don't need. You know what I mean? But I don't want to, you know, and again, I understand. And then Jay spoke to it, you know, he sounds like the old guy wagging his finger. You know what I mean? Like, and it's like, yeah, I mean, you know, like, Jay had to go through it, you know, and other artists that thought that they were the best or felt that they had the best. You go through those moments where it's like, nah, I'm better than you. I'm the best. And it's like, okay, well, if you the best, then show me you the best. I just don't. That's something that has always been a part of it.

[Rory]

Well, you. You can also come across as not just the old man that's wagging his. His finger or, you know, you also come across as like the hypocritical pastor to some degree. Like, I'm not saying you can't change and grow, but don't wag your finger. Finger at us. When you were rapping about putting condoms on baby seats and skeeting in. In a jeep, like. And I'm not saying Jay, that was, you know, what, 20 years ago. Of course you can grow and look at different perspectives. I've had different perspectives of rap beef as of late. Not to the degree that Jay has, but more so on the side of what it's done to fandom. I think that's weird. I think the stand sheet is getting a little too toxic and nothing to do with music. But I kind of hear him on the Kendrick Drake thing to some degree. But eight months later, we got an extremely healthy rap battle with Joey Badass Daylight. Right. Like, it can still happen. It just so happens that that battle was. It was the biggest battle of all time with two A list artists that already had stands. And then new stands came about it, and they're just fucking weird. But you had a great example of another battle that had nothing to do with the toxic shit that Jim was talking about.

[Mall]

Yes, you're right. But also to add to that too, though, Rory, I think the one piece. And, you know, I've read comments and things over the last however many days, and, you know, people are like, oh, I'm tired of hearing about this battle and. Da, da, da. Well, when you get, you know, the guys that are the biggest guys, you know, from the art form talking about it, then, yes, us as podcasters, we're gonna talk about the battle and what those guys are saying, but.

[Rory]

Oh, no, you don't need to be vague. Yeah, our guy, Quentin Miller. Sorry, man. We're gonna keep talking about it.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Quentin.

[Rory]

Yeah, I saw Quentin in the comments.

[Mall]

We gonna keep talking about it. Yeah, we definitely gonna keep talking about it.

[Rory]

But if J. Cole is talking about it on a press run, I'm gonna react to what J. Cole said about 100%, but.

[Mall]

And.

[Rory]

And vice versa with HOV.

[Mall]

Right, but. But to add to what you were saying, too, though, Rory, I think that the one thing that I think people keep forgetting about this and the thing that I think turned it into my story and my stance has remained the same from day one. I don't think Jay feels the way he feels about this battle if the word that was used wasn't there. Okay, well, then I think that changes everything in this battle, because we didn't feel that way after the Drake and Meek. We didn't feel this way after the Drake and Pusha. Right? We didn't feel these ways, like, yo, it was too toxic. It was too. The fan bases were getting too.

[Rory]

But no one checked on Nikki after the world tour line.

[Mall]

You understand what I'm saying? But I think things completely changed, and it was a different energy introduced because something as disgusting and as egregious as pedophilia was introduced. That energy was because words have meaning, they have power behind it. Once you introduce that energy into this, it's a completely different thing now because the energy changes from everybody. And I think that is what turned this into something that became more mudslinging, more of an attack, more of from both sides, from the artists, from the fan bases. I think the energy completely changed because when we got pushups and like that, like that, it didn't feel like that yet. Right? It just felt like, okay, these are some of the best going at it, right? That energy, it was familiar energy. It was like, okay, this is Drake and Kendrick's time now. Like, okay, cool. But I think after pedophile, that changed everything.

[Rory]

Well, all right, Stans, we in this camera. Stans, let me teach you how to Stan. You can be a Stan and still be objective with who you stand for. I am, admitted Hovinger. He's my favorite rapper. I think HOV is an incredible person, businessman, but that does not Mean, I have to sit and fucking agree with every last thing he said because that is. You are correct. But that is extremely hypocritical when you then take that very toxic thing that Jay is speaking to and you put it on the largest platform ever with the Super Bowl.

[Mall]

Oh, well, yeah.

[Rory]

Like, don't act like you didn't participate. Don't act like you don't have the sand on your hands.

[Mall]

No, no, no. 100%, you know, and that was another part of it too, because, you know, Jay was like, you know, and he spoke to that like, you know, the guy had a big year. Great. Understand, he's correct. But, but, but now. And this is the thing about it. And you know, and I think that people, for whatever reason, you know, they did they. Because it was a battle and you know, it's music that they feel like, you know, Drake wasn't supposed to be so offended by that. You know, it's just rap and it's like. No, no, no, no, no, no. Because the same way Jay sat there and spoke about the egregious allegations towards him about sexual assault on a 13 year old, which would make somebody that sexually assaults a 13 year old a pedophile. Absolutely right. So it's one and the same. It's like those claims are so egregious, but just because one is coming from an alleged victim and an attorney and one is coming from an artist, doesn't make it any difference to me. It's like, and like Jay said, once you claim, once you say that, once you make those claims, you have to be willing to stand on that.

[Rory]

Yeah. Because again, we talking about halfway sure about that?

[Mall]

You can't, you can't. I think. No, no, no, no, no, no. You have to be 1 million percent sure of what you're saying and understand the ramifications and the weight behind what you're saying.

[Rory]

But. Okay, I hear you. But it is different between a filed lawsuit and a rap battle now.

[Mall]

Different too.

[Rory]

Oh, I'm not telling Jay or, or Drake how to. I would never tell them how to feel about that. Yeah, I would be. But you can understand highly upset if somebody said that about me.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

Even if there was no lawsuit and someone just said, yeah, you know, what Rory be doing on the weekends, I would feel a fucking way.

[Mall]

Okay, all right.

[Rory]

But I mean, I do think with the paperwork thing, it is.

[Mall]

Is different.

[Rory]

But I, Yes, Hov. Contradicted himself a bit in that. Because where it was even a bit more contradictory is, let's say he is just Talking about the Standom and not talking about the lyrics. Because he did talk with Michael Eric Dyson about, hey, I think you're overthinking this whole thing. It was just a rap battle. So let's say HOV isn't talking about what's happening in the actual lyrics. It is about empowering the stand culture that's going to dox the other side's family and do all this other weird shit on the Internet and like, really fuck with people's lives. Like, you got barbs that will put someone's address of their mother's house. Like, that is very toxic. And yes, rap beef has definitely contributed to that heightening for sure. But either. But those people are crazy anyways. They'll do it regardless even if there isn't a beef. You enabled them even more with the Super Bowl. Let's not act like the K Bots and the OV Hoes did not go even crazier once Jay gave Kendrick the opportunity at the super bowl to look in a fucking camera, in a red camera and go, Drake heard you like him young in a whole stadium to say pedophile. So either way, however, HOV is looking at it with the toxic part that shouldn't be here. You definitely contributed to it.

[Mall]

You did To. To amplifying.

[Rory]

Yes. And adding even more fuel to the fire with the toxic shit that he's talking about that I do agree with when it comes to. To the Internet and stuff.

[Mall]

Oh, agree, yeah, sure.

[Rory]

But that made it ten times worse. And. But he also is correct. His job is to get the biggest artist. He said, why would someone get mad about Bad Bunny? He's the number one streaming artist. I don't even. So why would there even be pushback? Kendrick had a fucking crazy year. Of course I'm gonna book him. But no, you kind of have to. You kind of have to just sit down and shut up a little bit if you're doing that. Like, you could feel that way quietly, but you can't say that and then contribute the way that you contributed.

[Mall]

Well, it's again, because he's a businessman and it's his role to, you know, as, you know, being in charge of the super bowl halftime show and entertainment to put on and put forth the best show possible. Yeah, right. But like you said, yeah, Kendrick, as far as number wise, that year, 2024, amazing. But as a. Coming off of what, though? Coming off, like you said, that energy that was there, those, you know, introducing that energy into a battle, which turned it into something else, which turned it into a more. Felt like a more personal attack. Yeah. And again, we've had the conversation numerous times, and my stance has always been the same. That, to me, is the worst thing you could ever possibly call somebody. So to amplify that, like you're saying, to put that now on the biggest stage probably in American sports culture, to put that message and that energy, naturally, it amplifies it, and it gives it more. More energy, more life.

[Rory]

And I. I honestly, really. I don't have a issue with Jay doing that. I'm just saying you have to be consistent in your argument and your outrage with. With both those things. You can feel that way, but also, like, understand, understand, and we're all hypocrites. I'm not. I'm not thinking Jay doesn't have a right to do that and then also be like, yeah, is kind of nuts what we doing right now. Like, he's not the first one. Questlove, who we no. Has contributed to this culture. Mount Rushmore versions of how much we know Quest love to. To love hip hop. He got smoked. I think it was the first week of the battle he tweeted was like, I don't know, man. I don't know if I like this. This type of rap battle. Like, this is just getting weird. And. And they smoked him. Like, wait, I thought you was all about the culture battle. Like, yeah, you could also get older and be like, I just don't feel good about that.

[Mall]

Yeah, no, it's. It's a. It's a real thing. Like, it's. But again, I don't think the answer is we shouldn't have that be a part of the culture. I think every artist, every generation has their moment. They have their time on the stage. They have their time to go through the things that the guys before them went through. And I just think that was the time for Drake and Kendrick to have that moment. Now, looking back, yes, we understand that things happen, Things were said. Especially when you're an elder statesman, you're like, yo, y' all kind of. Y' all wilding. You know what I'm saying? And I understand that. But like, you're saying at the same time, yes, that was wild. And those, you know, claims are egregious and disgusting. That's the worst thing you could ever put on somebody, especially when it's not true. But then we didn't reward it with a halftime show. We reward it with a Grammy, you know what I'm saying? It's like there's so many other things that we have to look at around that. It's like, yo, yeah, I get it, and I understand. And I think that it went too far and things were said that shouldn't have been said. But there was a lot of support behind that record and a lot of, you know, rewarding of that song. There was a lot of it throughout the industry. So, yes, two things can be true. It went to.

[Rory]

Beyonce was dancing to it. Jimmy Iovine, Andre was high fiving.

[Mall]

It went too far. It was nasty. But at the same time, people rewarded it.

[Rory]

Yeah, for sure.

[Mall]

People applauded it. And at the end of the day, here's a guy on the other end of that that has to sit back who has helped and put money in plenty of these same people's pockets throughout the years. He has to sit back and then watch that happen and watch that unfold and watch people that he felt like he had a relationship with and he had, you know, a good rapport with support. Such a disgusting claim and accusation about the man that he is, you know. Yeah, it's unfortunate, but, you know, at the same time, people. People profited off of that. People profited off of that energy and that message and that disgusting, you know, accusation and claim. Like, a lot of people profited off of that. So I get it. Yes. I do think it's different these days with, you know, fan bases.

[Rory]

We profited off it, right?

[Mall]

I do think it's different these days with fan bases and things like that. I think it's, you know, everybody has a, you know, I guess a voice. They feel like they can voice their opinion. Everybody can be seen because everybody can jump on social media and chime in. So I get the energy just feels a little more divisive and a little more, you know, nasty. And it's more of an attack type of vibe behind it. But at the same time, you know, a lot of people still profited off of it and also amplified and helped plant that message and that energy on the stage.

[Rory]

I want to be careful with my words here because I do still want to go to those concerts where when Jay's saying things that come along with the rap beef that are bad outside of what's on record, shit that happens off record that comes with it. Jay has been accused. I'm not saying this to be a fact. It's always just been a rumor and accusations. Three sides to every story Jay has been accused of. If you beef with him, there's times you get blackballed behind the scenes. There's moves that some people have said Words about Jay on record and we never saw them again. Not like they died, but, you know, their career was over. We've heard a lot of stories, but listen, a lot of people tell their version when they don't fully understand something. I'm not here to say Jay did that, but that was always a running rumor when Jay was more active in, in rap. Because yes, there's the Jay and Nas one because it was direct records back and forth. But Jay has been in subliminal battles with 25 rappers. Probably like at this point that maybe you didn't catch if you weren't like a super fan. But you always heard that Jay was behind the scenes doing business tactics to really get at you. Is that too far? Cause that fucks with somebody's livelihood, family, dreams, everything. If I, if I say something about you on wax and we just keep it on wax, why are you now making moves behind the scene? That's affecting my income and my opportunities within this business. And I'm not saying Jay did. It was always a rumor.

[Mall]

Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. That's just talk that maybe, maybe the person that, you know, got into a little back and forth or had a little spat with Jay. Maybe that person just wasn't talented enough to really, you know, to surpass or continue forward in their career. Like, maybe it was just that.

[Rory]

I guess what I'm really saying is, is it Uchiwale or is it one mic? Like you can't have it either has to be. FIFA's gonna be toxic. Like it's always going to come with something negative as well. While we're entertained by an audio bloodsport. Like it's gonna come. It's, it's, it's quote unquote war. Like, you know, I'm always gonna say

[Mall]

that, but that's what I'm saying.

[Rory]

Is it Uchi Wally on one mic. Like you can't have.

[Mall]

As far as what though?

[Rory]

Like you can't say, hey, maybe we should pull back on some of this because it's getting out of hand when I mean the rules have, have been there of it's a battle type of thing and it's war. Like you can make moves behind the scenes. Shit. People are even accused. Drake's accusing Universal of doing shit behind the scenes because of the battle and his negotiations. Like you can't have one without the other. Like. Yeah, but again, Jay, it's something like you want it to be one way.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And I'm saying to hov. To quote himself is it uchiwale or is it one mic you can't have. You can't have it either way. Like, it either has to come with this, and he can say pedophile at the super bowl and you're involved with it, or you have to say, straight up, no more rap beefs, and I don't want to be a part of it.

[Mall]

I think you can say both, I think, because that's a. That's a real feeling of Jay, like, because again, he said, I don't know if it's. If it should be a part of the. I think he knows it will always be. But he's more so speaking from the stance of at what cost? You know what I mean? Like, is it worth it? Is it something that. You know what I mean? It's just gotten to a point where things may go too far. So he can speak to that. I think that he knows as an emcee and as a rapper, I think he knows that that's always gonna be a part of it. Battling is always gonna be. MCs are gonna come along and feel like, I'm better than this guy, I'm better than this guy, and they're gonna wa. I think that's something that will always be a part of it. But it's not like he can't still feel like, damn, but I hate that part of it. I wish that part of it wasn't necessary and then we didn't have to do that. So I understand him feeling away. My thing is, again, he's a businessman, so he has to still conduct business. But we can't say, yeah, damn, that's fucked up. That's crazy. But here's the biggest stage in our culture to display that message and amplify it. That to me is like, while on one hand, I get it because it's business and we gotta put the best show and best biggest artist. We gotta do that. But then you have to understand how people are gonna look at it. Like, okay, but that's amplifying it. That's adding to the fire that's throwing fuel on this thing to make it even bigger and brighter than it already is. So, yeah, I get both sides of it. He can feel like, damn, this is crazy. This is nasty. We shouldn't do this. I don't know if we should be doing this. But the MC in him knows this is something that's going to be forever a part of the culture.

[Rory]

Oh, no.

[Mall]

For sure.

[Rory]

And my favorite styles, people like, you can't come here, change the Rules. It's the mud. But everyone's allowed to feel like, nah, it's just not for me. So I, I get that it did appear in a very Jay Z esque way. He was telling us that he is working on something

[Mall]

very vague.

[Rory]

He didn't dodge, but he made it so open ended that it left you to speculate of like, did he mean that? Because I feel like if he wasn't, he'd straight up be like, nah, not really. Like, I'm not really that inspired. But even when, you know, Frazier asked him about the Clips album, obviously they, they did the distribution with Roc Nation. So we all assume, like, all right, there's definitely a higher chance now that Jay will be on it. And he said he almost was, but he thought the next thing that he says should come from him and not a feature. Which kind of made me feel like with how much he has to say he's working on something now. Cause if he, if he wasn't, I think he would have gotten the shit he needed off his chest with Eclipse feature the way he has in the past. Khaled doing an album. All right, I got some shit to get on my chest. But I think he's very intentional now because he feels like he wants to speak soon. So that's what I took from it. And that could just be the fan in me hoping that that's the case. But I think he just straight up would have been like, nah, not working on anything. I'm just here to celebrate 25 years, 30 years.

[Mall]

Like, I think the opposite. I think somebody like Jay is always working on something. Whether it means he actually went in the studio and laid anything down, you know, I don't think, I don't think he's done that.

[Rory]

Said he had a lot of sketches. He just said they all suck. Yeah, yeah, like voice notes and, you know.

[Mall]

Yeah, no, that. Because that's just who he is at his core. He's an emcee. So he's always gonna have an idea and, you know, he's always gonna have a couple bars that he just kind of, you know, comes up with. But I don't think that he's, you know, fully in that mode of, you know, I'm going in here to create this album and I'm going in here to ladies bars. Now. I don't think he's. I don't, I don't think he's doing that. But again, for a fact, he's always in his head. You know, he has, he has some bars that he has in his head that he's, you know, kind of like tweaking and, and just always kind of going over in his mind. But I don't, I don't think he's. He's actively recording and, and laying and laying verses down.

[Rory]

Nah, the way he was talking about Blue Toven, like the way he was saying how good Blue is that piano. She could hear any note and just start on, on something. Nah, he's definitely heard some keys in the living room and, and definitely started. Started rapping of like, I'm keeping this. This is gonna be used somewhere.

[Mall]

Oh no, always. I think the whole Blue produced. Yeah, I think no ideas. He has ideas. He's a creative. He's gonna always have ideas. But 44 keys he didn't lay down. I don't think he's. He's in, in the studio recording though. I don't think so. I doubt that we, we shall see

[Rory]

anything else before we get to the cold part that, that stood out. I, I just thought the way he talked about Blue getting on stage and, and I thought it was a very self aware parenting point of view. He straight up said it was the first thing she had to ever work for in her life because obviously look at her parents, she doesn't have to want or need for much. She was so gifted with the piano, she didn't have to work for it. She just gets on a piano and can do it. Right away. The stage stuff came different. He was more proud of her to actually watch her work for something rather than just be the talent that she was over here with the piano and like, I can see someone looking at that kind of harsh even of how he worded it. But I thought that was like a perfect Nepo baby parenting point of view. Like, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend like my child like has to work for things because she does. She doesn't at all. So yeah, this is gonna be your version. Having to work for something. Yeah. Because you need to have that instilled with you. If you're that talented as is with music and you're also a child of two billionaires, where are you gonna learn any type of work ethic? So I thought that was just a cool perspective because I mean, rarely you hear billionaires talk about their kids and like anything that they've had to do

[Mall]

well, create super creative parents. Like, oh yeah, JMB obviously. But yeah, I think I thought that was dope to kind of, you know, recognize that as a parent. Like she worked at that. She put the work in to get better at that. And, you know, she had to really. Cause that's not something that, you know, I don't care who your parents are, they can't just give you that ability to go out on stage and perform and be great and, you know, learn something like that. Especially as many different dance pieces that she had to learn. Like, so that was dope for him to recognize that and kind of see that the J dad moment. Like, oh, shit. Like, she got it. Like, she actually. I actually watched her put this work in to get better at this.

[Rory]

Yeah. And I was also happy to hear. Cause, you know, we lost Jay Z to. To la, like, almost a decade ago. I'm so glad he hasn't gotten too progressive over there in Beverly Hills, because he was like, yeah, Blue wanted to be on every song. I said, if you think you're dancing to six inch heels at this show, get the fuck off stage.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

As a dad, that's not the song you're dancing to.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's the real dad part, right?

[Rory]

Like, nah, we ain't could be super Hollywood now. It's progressive. She should be able to do it.

[Mall]

No, no, no, no, no. Not in this household. Yeah, not in this house.

[Rory]

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[Rory]

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[Rory]

Fraser did ask him his relationship with Cole, which I know everyone wanted to know about based off the alleged shot that Cole said of the apparent goat on the fall off I don't think they're in a good place. Jay Z gave a very, very good PR PC Jay Z answer of he's very proud of J. Cole and everything that he's done, but there's shit behind the scenes like audits and something. But he still has no negative feelings towards him. I don't think we would have really gotten that answer if that was the case. I think he probably feels away with the audience, which is news to me. Unless you guys had heard that and I wasn't aware. I thought that was kind of like a bombshell that no one kind of brought up at all because we don't see them together ever. And I always wondered. I was like, I wonder why they're not as close as you think they would be. We know Cole got off the label, and I think it's important that every artist learn how to audit their label, because, God, you'll find insane things when you do that. But Jay, as a businessman, yeah, of course, you gave Cole his first opportunity, did so much for him, which Cole would say as well, but that doesn't make you above an audit. It's business.

[Mall]

It's business. But that's why I think what Jay said, his answer, I think that is how he ultimately feels. Because people gotta remember. It's a unique thing to be in business with Jay because he came in owning the label. He came in, but he was also an artist. He had to fight for things. So it's a unique thing to have somebody that experienced it like that, who maximized his talent and became the greatest ever at this, to be in business with them. They understand the position of the artist very well, Especially an artist that's trying to be independent and have as much control over his business as possible. So I don't think Jay takes that and looks at that like, yo, why you auditing me? Like, what you think that I would try to. I think he understands it, like, this is something that you should do. Like, you should. You should audit the company you're in business with. Like, you should audit. You should have to look at everything and make sure everything is. I don't think that's a negative thing. I think that became something that people looked at like, oh, what do you mean? You don't trust us? It's business. It's the music industry that we all know is very grimy and very nasty at times. So I think that Jay understands any artist from that perspective, because he is that guy. He was in that. In that same position at one point. So I don't think that he looks at Cole or feels a way about being audited. I don't think so.

[Rory]

Yo, if there was a law firm that did pro bono audits or, like, financial investigator, what the fuck that it's actually called, if they did that pro bono for artists, they would make so much fucking money. Like, the ambulance chaser version of that. Because, you know, a lot of artists, even if you think they're rich, they're not. And ordering a company like Universal, Roc Nation Club, like, that's. Bro, that's really, really, really expensive. Like, is it worth how much I'm gonna have to pay with what they'll find.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

Like, I may end up losing money in this situation.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But I do think if there was a firm that was just like, knows that artists may not have the liquid capital to do a complete audit to a company like that. If we do it pro. I promise you 99.9 of the time, if you audit a major label and you've been on there for four to five albums, you're. You're finding bread though. Like, there's no way that you're not. I wish there was a firm that would do that because I think they. They would make a shit ton of bread. But I'm with you. It may be weird coming from us, but does that dead the friendship? Because I don't think Jay feels away about it. I think he thinks it's just business. But once you make that decision to audit me, I don't know if I. Like, it'd be weird if you hit me for a verse on the Fall Off. Like, remember I was saying I think Jay is gonna be on the Fall Off. Cause they've never done a proper record since Mr. Nice Watch. And I thought that was personally a bad record. And I don't think that should be the legacy of Jay Z and J. Cole working together. When I've seen what a legacy like Drake has with Jay Z with the songs that he has. So I just assume Fall off makes all perfect sense in the world. Started with Jay. Even if I'm not on his label, gonna end with Jay on this last album. I thought it made every bit of sense. Now I see why we have not gotten a verse from Jay for Cole for quite some time.

[Mall]

You think it's the audit?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Nah, man. I don't think so.

[Rory]

I don't know when this, this audit started. They take some time. But to me, that, that answers my question, in my opinion. Yeah. Because I'm not saying they hate each other. But once you do audit somebody, like, I don't know if you guys have the. The coolest relationship. It may. You may not hate that person. We're not going to the studio.

[Mall]

I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying. It makes.

[Rory]

Dude, you're doing what you're supposed to do. If I was in your position, I probably audit my company too. Because that. That's standard. You don't know where certain money went. I don't know where all the money went with my own accounting department. Because we are a conglomerate. Like, yeah, we could owe you money. I don't fucking know. I don't go down to accounting every day when you're at that type of level. But, nah, don't hit me when you at quad. I'm not coming through.

[Mall]

No, listen, I'm with you. I understand. It's funny, but I understand what you're saying. It's like, yeah, but I don't know, man. I just don't think. Just knowing the type of person Jay is, I don't think he feels a way about that. I understand what you're saying. We ain't gonna be. We ain't about to go get a coffee after this, E. I just don't think that is that much. You know, that type of energy with Jay, like, I'm not with Cole, or he can't ask me for nothing, or I'm never giving him a verse. I don't know if that energy is attached to it. I don't. I don't think so.

[Rory]

Yeah, well, even from the cold side, if I was ordering someone, again, it's. It's. You're not ordering Jay Z. You're ordering a huge, huge record and management company. You're not ordering Sean Carter. So. So I wouldn't feel bad doing it if I had a really close relationship with Jay, but I would also feel weird reaching out to him after I audited him.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

Like, even if I'm cold, I don't know if I'd be like, bro, that could. You could look nuts after. We're going back. I'm getting updates from my lawyer. I'm cc'd on certain emails. I'm sure if there's been an audit, just for sheer appearance, they could have had their mics muted. Jay's face and J. Cole's face have had to be on the same zoom at one point for legal reasons. I feel like maybe it'd be weird if I text him, yo, I'm working on this.

[Mall]

Okay, Let me ask you. This is it. Jay and Nas had their moment, right? Both said some wild things in that battle. Nas says some things that, as a man, if you say to me about me, I probably won't ever fuck with you again. Right, okay. They went on to work together after that whole thing, right?

[Rory]

Yeah, but that's.

[Mall]

Hold on. So is that more? Is what Nas said in the battle versus Jay more disrespectful than cold auditing the company?

[Rory]

Apple, apples, and bowling balls.

[Mall]

Because why.

[Rory]

One is a rap battle that. That we can get over because. Yes.

[Mall]

And one is business.

[Rory]

They were egregious things. I'm saying. Wow, that's. It's it's different with that. As opposed to being currently in, like, litigation with. With an audit right now, like.

[Mall]

No, I get what you're saying.

[Rory]

And clear this out.

[Mall]

I'm talking about once this whole audit thing is over with and.

[Rory]

Oh, maybe.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah, maybe.

[Mall]

One is. One is. One is business, and one is. Is. Is. Is. Is art and. And skill and, you know, part of a battle, like. I get it.

[Rory]

I hear you. You are correct. Yes. Once everything is done, there's a world where, like, hey, was business cool? Got the money that you owed? Or. Yeah, I found out there was nothing owed.

[Mall]

Right. Yeah.

[Rory]

Who text is who, though? The winner or the loser of that audit? Because if I win and. But which is fine. If I win, it's because you owed me the fucking money. You shouldn't feel away, Right. That I. That I won that way. Of course you have to give up your money and feel the way. But you owed this to me to begin with, so you shouldn't feel away. But who texts who? What if Cole loses? And there is. Jay was perfect with accounting.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And actually, matter of fact, Cole, we looking through, you actually owe us money.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

Which is. That could exist.

[Mall]

That can very well be. Yeah.

[Rory]

That's where it could get weird with it as well. Who Text is who.

[Mall]

Yeah, I mean, but that's. Again, I just was posing a question.

[Rory]

Don't walk away with $5 million of my money and then text me, hey, I have this open 16 for you as well.

[Mall]

Why not? Let's do it.

[Rory]

Because then I'm dissing you about the audit on the.

[Mall]

Yeah, that would be fun. Yeah. Let me. Let me go at you on this verse. Like, oh, yeah, yeah, that. That money that I found, I think that's dope. Why not? Let's turn it into a moment.

[Rory]

Yo. You know how much fun Jay would have with just a audit scheme? You can't audit my influence. You can. Like, he would just go through everything. You can't audit that he's done in his life.

[Mall]

I think it's.

[Rory]

You can't audit this opportunity.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You here because of me.

[Mall]

Yeah. I think. I don't know, man. I just don't think that he feels any way towards Cole about that. I think he understands it from that perspective because, again, he came in as an owner, as his own boss, and he understands business from a different perspective than most artists would. So we just saw kids about that

[Rory]

with Cam' Ron and J. Cole.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Cam has sent out a lawsuit, which we now know, which we could speculate, was to get his attention based off, hey, you a. You owe me a swap. You said you'd do an interview, and now you're doing interviews, and I never signed papers, and you've been rapping on my beats, and my voice is here, like, perfect.

[Mall]

Same thing. Business. It's business. Doesn't mean that we can't be friends. Doesn't mean that we can't sit down and do business after this. Doesn't mean that it's any hard feelings. It's business.

[Rory]

And I understand Cole's perspective on that as well. So the full episode is not out yet. We're recording this right now, Wednesday afternoon. I was under the impression that shit was coming out Tuesday night, but that was on Revolt tv for real. Like, on cable. It comes out tonight, I think, at like, eight. The full one. So we're only going off the two clips that have been running around the Internet for the last five days, where Code did tell Cam, like, yo, I felt the way he was like, yo, you suing me? Like, what the fuck? But I understand your perspective of, hey, it feels like this guy's giving me the runaround even though everyone's busy. You said he was gonna do something. You're not gonna do it. Okay.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

What would you like me to do in this situation? So I. I appreciate Cole for looking at things from both sides, because if I was cold, too, I would be like, lawyers. Like, what are we. Come on, man. What are you doing? Yeah, but I get it.

[Mall]

It's business, man.

[Rory]

How do you think the rest of this. This interview is going? Do we get, like, the. The main juicy clips, more or less?

[Mall]

I mean, what. What? What? What? What? More juice is left, though. Pause.

[Rory]

I mean, it's one that. That we did. It's already in regards to Cole wanting to. To reach out to them. And the last time that they spoke and you had mentioned that they had not spoken, you know, since Dreamville Fest, I believe it was, and we reacted to that, and naturally, we got smoked. Were we accurate in that or. No.

[Mall]

About Drake and Cole not speaking? Yeah, Drake and Cole spoke once at the Dreamville Fest.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

But not since. Not like us.

[Rory]

Gotcha. Okay.

[Mall]

Have not spoke at all. Because I. I don't know Drake. I don't. I don't know Drake. I don't have my. My. So I have sources, though. I don't know Drake. Never met him. Don't speak to him. So I don't want people saying Drake told me anything. No, I don't know Drake. I'm just. I have sources.

[Rory]

They Said you haven't spoken to him since. Not like us.

[Mall]

I've never spoken to Drake in my life. Never had a conversation with him. Don't know him. I just know that Drake and J. Cole have not spoken since right after Dreamville Fest. Right before the whole, like, May 4th.

[Rory]

Gotcha.

[Mall]

Okay. Dreamville Fest was April, so. Right. You know, two weeks, maybe a week before. Not like us. Maybe two weeks before. Have not spoken since. You know, I don't. I don't know what Cole is speaking to in these interviews saying, you know, he's reached out or he's. I don't know what he's speaking to, but, you know, I have very good sources.

[Rory]

You have a source at Boost Mobile that showed the call.

[Mall]

I have a source that Boost Mobile that has unlimited all text and data for Twitter, which is.

[Rory]

If J. Cole has that, why can't he reach out to them?

[Mall]

I mean, he doesn't have to worry

[Rory]

about his phone plan.

[Mall]

He said he'd be wanting to shoot a text. I don't. I don't know would be. Be wanting unlimited text. Just get Boost Mobile and you can shoot unlimited text to Drake and Kendra for $25 a month.

[Rory]

Okay. Yeah. I just want to make sure. Sure that was completely clear because, I mean, I don't really care about the Internet. I think it was hilarious that they said, ma is not spoken to Drake is not like us. And, you know, whatever. They could all have their fun. And.

[Mall]

No, when I read that, when I was. Never mind.

[Rory]

But okay, so. So that. Just because I wanted to clear that up, because I know we had said maybe it was before Dreamville Fest, but again, this was old with it.

[Mall]

I may expand. It's been two years ago. I think I misspoke the timeline. But no, Drake and J. Cole have not. This is cemented, stamped. I don't give a fuck what J. Cole is running around talking about. I know for a fact he has not spoken to Drake since Not Like Us came out right after Dreamville Fest. Yes, the conversation happened after that. There's been no communication. There's no talk. That was two years ago. Y' all take with that information. Which I will. I think it's crazy that you haven't spoke to this man in two years. There's been no type of communication. And yeah, these. My sources were my sources.

[Rory]

I mean, just as your man's. And I'm not just due to the fact, like, all right, you were off by like five days then.

[Mall]

Yeah, but, you know, people's gonna, you know, they. You Know, you know how this. This thing goes. And I don't ever want to misspeak and, you know, say the wrong thing. I don't wanna pump bad dope. That's not who I am. I'm not pumping bad dope. So, yes, technically, J. Cole and Drake have spoken after the apology after Dreamville Fest.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mall]

But have not spoken since. Not like us. So that was April 7th. The apology happened May 4th. Not Like Us came out in between April 7th and May 4th. There was a conversation.

[Rory]

One conversation.

[Mall]

Maybe. Maybe one and a half. One and a possible whatever.

[Rory]

But post one of us. Sorry I missed your call. I hit you back.

[Mall]

Post not like this. On this side of not like us. No communication. So. And that was 2024.

[Rory]

That's their BCAD.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Old Testament, New Testament. All right.

[Mall]

But yeah, it's before Cole, after Drake. What? Man?

[Rory]

No, I know. That was great. I know acronyms.

[Mall]

I get them before co, after Dreamville Fest. You know how it goes.

[Rory]

Ac, dc. Yeah. I'm fine with like the Internet. It's funny how much they kill. Like, this podcast has no credibility. They know absolutely nothing.

[Mall]

I don't care.

[Rory]

The same breath. They were saying Maul doesn't even speak to Drake whatsoever. And he's wrong about that. And they believe Cole would never lie to Cameron's face. So we're going to go with Cole instead of Maul. The same fucking interview. Cole comes out and confirms something y' all have been killing Maul and I about for the last two years as well. We told you that Kendrick was on the original fall off twice. And we told you that Drake was on the fall off twice and they smoked us. But then get quiet when Cole says it and it's like, all right, well, I mean, sometimes they. Right, yeah.

[Mall]

Somebody told me a broken clock is right twice a day or something like that.

[Rory]

Or do you think that the information that we get. Or maybe we heard the two fucking Kendrick verses that were on the follow or verse and a hook. I think maybe we heard it.

[Mall]

I don't know.

[Rory]

I would never say something with such confidence if I didn't fucking hear it from the source.

[Mall]

Listen, I don't know, Drake. I just have very good sources is all I'm saying.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

I don't know, Drake. I have very good sources.

[Rory]

I don't think I'm fishing for content here or fishing for clicks, but in that clip when Cole said, yeah, it was crazy. He's had the fall off done rendition of it. Beef happened. Had to switch everything up. And it's Fucked up because Kendrick was on there twice. So is Drake. And I know who leaked it. I'd like. I know who did that. I think we were the only podcast that. That put that information out there. I could be completely fucking wrong. Noreen EFN could have done it. I have no idea. Angela Yee could have said it. I don't know. All I know is I only saw us say it.

[Mall]

But do you think he was saying put it out there? Meaning told the public that they had. That they were on the album or told anyone that they were on the album? Meaning like somebody from, you know, his inner circle that he knows let that out the bag. Like, yo, Drake and Kendrick are on the album. Like, you think he's speaking to that or speaking to the fact that we said it publicly? Cause when he said somebody leaked it. Meaning, like, is it somebody leaked it to us or that we leaked it to the public?

[Rory]

I think he's saying both. I mean, you can't really have a leak if it doesn't go to the public and that.

[Mall]

No, you can have a leak if it doesn't go to the public.

[Rory]

I mean, they could leak it. A group chat of five people, but it's not a leak.

[Mall]

But that's what I'm saying. I mean, but because we said that. When did we say that? That was a long time ago. Was it a lot? I felt like it was only like a couple months ago, I think I said.

[Rory]

But no, that.

[Mall]

Wait, hold. How the. Did you land on that number? 84 days ago.

[Rory]

But even then.

[Mall]

Crazy.

[Rory]

We spoke about. We spoke about that around the, around the actual beat. We've. We've been talking about that for a while. That's not the only clip that I did see that Reddit had. Had found one of them. But we had talked about it in 2024. Around it, like, oh, this is going to get weird because we know that Kendrick is on this twice as of right now, but we don't know if that could happen. And that's something we. Ben said. So. Yeah, I mean, I'm not proud. Like, I don't want to be a proud leaker. I just didn't think it was that crazy, you know.

[Mall]

LA leaker.

[Rory]

I will shout out to the. Well, there once was the LA League.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Rory]

I wish you guys first the Fat Boys breakup, man.

[Mall]

Yeah, man, we need that.

[Rory]

Justin, you're my guys. I didn't like that Cole said Lee like it. All right. Why I was fine saying. I know you were fine saying on the other side was because it's not a crazy thing to say.

[Mall]

Yeah, not at all. I wasn't trying to leak something. That's not never my energy. I'm not leaking anything. I just, I thought it was. Honestly, how did people not think that? They weren't.

[Rory]

And we didn't even say it like with full impunity. But I mean, yeah, I don't think it was crazy to say, hey, you know, Kendrick Lamar is on a J. Cole album. It's happened before. They even talk about doing a joint album. I don't think it's crazy that he would put Kendrick.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Rory]

I don't the like, that's why when Cole was like, he sounded like disappointed, like someone like actually leaked the song. Almost like that's how it felt.

[Mall]

So I was just like, right, right.

[Rory]

Wait. I mean, cool. And on top of that, if you go in the comments, everyone thinks we have no credibility on anything. So it's not like. And it's not like you have to take it off now that somebody on a podcast said Kendrick Lamar is on your album. Don't put that shit on us. You didn't put Kendrick on because you haven't spoken to him.

[Mall]

Right?

[Rory]

Don't. No, don't put me in this.

[Mall]

No, he's spoken to Kendrick.

[Rory]

Okay, fair. I don't care who's. Like I said last time, he's spoken. Brad Beef is really gay. This is all gay. But yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't think us saying that affected why Kendrick Lamar or Drake would not be on that album. Like, damn, Surprise is out now. I can't put it out. Like, no, I don't think it works that way. And on top of that, Cole like, maybe, you know, leaked it because there's been people around you that have leaked. I remember when Rosenberg siphon all them leaked that there was a song that Cole was rapping to Nas about how he feels like he let him down. And then Cole and Eve went on the Internet were like, that's so stupid. Why would. There's no song like that. Like, that's dumb. And then it's the outro. Yeah, like, yeah, man, people around you say, yeah, it gets to people. Which again is gay.

[Mall]

But yeah, I mean I then so what? I just feel like, I feel like to me one, because I did say that if Kendrick was on a fall off, that would be crazy. So you know, maybe I feel like Cole felt that way as well. Like I can't, you know, not speak to Drake for Two years. And then have Kendrick on my album. Like, I think that he probably was like, yeah, that would look absolutely insane on my part, which I. You know, I was very vocal about that. That would look more insane than it already does. But to have him on that album on the fall off would have been. Would have been crazy. Yeah.

[Rory]

Also on Friday, Cole will be on Mellow show Shout out to Cash, Shout out to Carmelo on 7pm in Brooklyn. That comes out Friday. I'm sorry to be courting, man. I just love seeing all my friends get all these amazing interviews. Like, I'm like, I truly mean that. When I saw Kaz with Cole was like, this is awesome.

[Mall]

Raging with Jay Z. Nah, but I

[Rory]

ain't but Seedesco with Cole. I think that shit is amazing.

[Mall]

Yeah. Yeah. But fuck all that. I gotta give you. I gotta give you pushback. Why you not sleeping in front of the shop? So we can get the Cole interview? Like, what you doing? Like, why are you. Like, you look like you could use a trim. You look like you. Like. You use a good line. Like, why you ain't at the shop? Like, just waiting for Cole to just pull up and just. You know what I mean? Just tell Cole. Just come holla at us, man. We fuck with Cole, we just wanna let him know, Face. Yo, he gotta. Cole, you gotta come get this smoke, man. You could sit down with Nadeska and Cam and all. That's fire. I think that's fire. But Cole gotta come get this smoke. He gotta come answer some. I got questions for Cole. I got questions that none of these other niggas got. I got questions for Jermaine. Light Skin Jermaine Wears mink in the Rain. I got questions for you. I got questions for Light Skin Jermaine.

[Rory]

Of course I would love for J. Cole to come on this podcast.

[Mall]

Yeah, but you not. You sleep at the shop.

[Rory]

That would have to be in my. Well, first of all, one.

[Mall]

Yo, Willis, we coming to steal your clippers.

[Rory]

I'm not.

[Mall]

We gotta hold his clippers for ransom. That Cole ain't getting the cut that

[Rory]

you can't get a lot. Yeah, nah, we're gonna bring the microphones to the shot.

[Mall]

Yo, Willis, we coming. Willis's name, Willis. We coming to get your clippers, the bevel, whatever you got on that. We coming to slam all your bevels and take them shits out the shop. We getting this cold interview.

[Rory]

It would have to be like. It'd be way better if it was his idea to. To come sit with how people perceive Our co haters, which I know for a fact I'm not and I don't think you are, but people have perceived that maybe we would be cold haters. I love everyone that he's sitting down with. I think that's great fire. And if you want to do the full positive press run, I'm never mad at that either. I'm not one of these people that thinks everything with journalism has to be negative in gossipy. But it would be a cool, A cool balance, I think, for the perception of your press run to go to people that are not haters. But there's been a history, the last two years of having some comments, so I would like that, but only if Cole wanted to do it.

[Mall]

Yeah, listen, we sitting here just talking because we do a podcast. We just talking shit. I mean, I really. I'm not mad if Cole doesn't want to sit over this. You know what I mean? That means nothing to me. I'm not losing sleep over that. But no, I think that it would be cool to have a conversation face to face. I've never had a conversation with Cole in depth like that. Just like what's ups in passing and shit like that. But I've been vocal about the whole situation the last two years. I've said some things that Cole probably deemed a little disrespectful and too far. But it's never my intent to disrespect anybody. Definitely not disrespecting somebody. I don't know. That's corny. I'm too old for that. But, yeah, I got, I got, I got, I got things that I would like to say to Cole's face just so he understands that I'm not a guy that would just talk and wouldn't like. Ah. You know, I think that me and Cole. I think Cole would actually benefit from having a like me in his phone and in his ear.

[Rory]

But there's also a world where Cole doesn't think about or give a single about any opinion that's been said on this podcast.

[Mall]

For sure.

[Rory]

He's having a great time with his wife and kids. He's doing just fine and would much rather sit down with.

[Mall]

He's doing just fine.

[Rory]

Legendary Carmelo Anthony.

[Mall]

Safe, safe.

[Rory]

Sit down then, Young white flag.

[Mall]

Yeah, just come. Come holl at some guys that may have some push back. Yeah, don't talk to. Don't talk to Melo about the cast.

[Rory]

I think Cam, I think Melo and Cass, I, I don't. I don't know for push back, but Cam, I think, is going to ask some realer questions.

[Mall]

I. I would hope so, because Cam is obviously, he's a rapper too, and he understands that world more than Carmelo and Cass would.

[Rory]

But it longest rollout ever for a podcast episode.

[Mall]

Milk it. Oh, he. Cam was about to go to court for that interview. Milk that. Hey, Cam, if I'm you, I roll that out another week. You treat that like the paradise episodes.

[Rory]

Cam announced it like on Valentine's Day.

[Mall]

Yeah, fuck that. Roll that shit out. We gonna roll this shit out. This is the longest rollout.

[Ad Read Host]

Facts.

[Mall]

You had to fall off. I got the rollout. That's how it's going to. Yeah, we gonna roll this all the way out.

[Rory]

Do you think they paused at all with. Because I really thought that it was coming out on Revolt TV, obviously, but also on YouTube on Tuesday. Do you think the Jay Z interview had them go, you know what? Just let them have the day?

[Mall]

Nah.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

I think. I think it's enough space for both of those to be out at the same time. Yeah, the Jay interview wasn't that long too. It was a, you know, it was a good interview. Yeah, but it was short. Obviously. The Cam and Cole episode will be longer than Jay's GQ episode.

[Rory]

There was a clip from 7pm in Brooklyn where Cole cleared up LeBron walking around with a fall off vinyl. Which is fucked up because once Cole explained it, I was like, oh, yeah, that makes all the sense of the world. And that's awesome. But if we've known Bron's track record, I don't think it's crazy for someone on the Internet to see him walking around just with a fall off vinyl and be like, this is performative.

[Mall]

Yeah, this is.

[Rory]

This is. What are we doing here?

[Mall]

That's Braun.

[Rory]

That's not part of your fit. Yeah, no, you're not your bag.

[Mall]

That definitely feels performative. If you see Bron walking around with a J. Cole vinyl, it's like, all right, dog. Cause you could have put that in a bag. Like, you know what I'm saying? You could have put that in something. Like, nobody had to know you had a vinyl in your hand. Like, like.

[Rory]

And he didn't play in that Heat game, did he?

[Mall]

I'm not sure.

[Rory]

Okay. Cause if he played, you definitely could have put that in your bag. Yeah, you're not gonna be like, oh, shit, I left this on the seat. And you just walking into the. But no, I think that's cool that Bron met with Cole's kids. Cause they're huge LeBron fans.

[Mall]

And that's dope, man. That's dad shit, man. That's dad. That's the dads, you know, doing something special for the kids, man. There's nothing wrong with that. But. But based off LeBron's track record and in history, that definitely did. They thought they caught LeBron in another performative moment. Like, all right, fam, the vinyl. You walking around with the vinyl now. All right, we got you.

[Rory]

I could see Ron having a vinyl player and all his vinyls, like, in his locker, but then you realize all the plastic is still on them. Like, you're not playing.

[Mall]

Having a vinyl player in the locker room is crazy. It's like, all right, fam. All right, all right. Okay. Enough is fucking enough, bro. Like, we get it.

[Rory]

Nah, some of these new vinyl players have great Bluetooth and great speakers.

[Mall]

We don't need all of that. We don't need a vinyl.

[Rory]

Just hit play.

[Mall]

Yeah, we don't need a vinyl play in the locker room. Cut it out.

[Rory]

I'm sorry we dragged this this long with more Cole, Drake and.

[Mall]

And B.

[Rory]

But honestly, I don't really know what y' all want us to do when everyone's doing press runs and finally speaking about something we've all been curious about when it came to their point of view.

[Mall]

And it's a world where you is just making whack music that we don't want to talk about.

[Rory]

No, it's the Yeet. Changing the game.

[Mall]

N Shout out. Yeet. We ain't going to disrespect Yeet. He's young.

[Rory]

I'm not here to disrespect you.

[Mall]

No, he's young. We got to give him a shot. We got to. We got to see what he does with his moment.

[Rory]

And shout out to Zane Low. You know, I love. You know, Zayn and I have a great relationship.

[Mall]

Great relationship. The greatest of great.

[Rory]

Well, I mean, just quickly, because I'm. I'm not here to hate on you. Just music's not for me. He did say that he is the only one for. Of his peers, which I. I don't know what he considers his peers. He said that is pushing music forward or having a new sound or trying to add something into the field, which he very well may be right. But that doesn't mean it's good. You could be the only one trying to push the needle. But that doesn't mean I have to like it. I like Jesus, but I would never be mad at someone that said, yeah, he's pushing the needle, but I don't like it. Like sometimes that's not as profound as it comes across. Even though Zayn's gonna make it sound like the most profound thing he's ever heard in his entire life. Sometimes the needle should just stay where it's at. Because I'm cool.

[Mall]

We gotta see, man, I love all the artists. Oh no, for sure.

[Rory]

But I've never heard a good album with that many features. But listen, I'm not Yeet can pick beats.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I'd like to hear a lot of those artists on, On a Yeet beat.

[Mall]

I want to like, I'm looking for the next young artist to like, like, like I want, I wanna, I wanna like one of the, the new younger artists. Like, I want to define young though.

[Rory]

Like, is Jid young anymore? Is Jid now like in the middle, not middle of square, but, but like he's surpassed being a freshman more or less.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah. Like he's, he, he's what, 35?

[Rory]

I'm not even saying by age wise though, because hip hop is such a weird place where it's like a bunch of 16 year olds and then people that are 35 that are finally making it.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But like Gibbs hit his stride 15 years into his career.

[Mall]

How old is he? He's young though, right? He's in his 20s.

[Rory]

I would assume so.

[Mall]

Yeah. Like I'm talking about.

[Rory]

But he's all his sound, everything about him is young.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

His crowd is young.

[Mall]

I'm talking about guys like I want to like somebody like that. I want to find an artist that I really like. Like that where it's like one of the 20, whatever year olds that has a different energy, different vibe, different sound that I just be like, you know what? I like this, I like this, this kid, I like him.

[Rory]

I mean there's a lot like again, I think all the rappers that were in the on the radar new generation Cypher, I think all of them are incredible and do make good music. But are you saying on the level of somebody that would be in the Yeet territory, like all those guys haven't popped yet. I think a few of them are well on their way to. It's just going to take a few more years because they're going about it, the lyrical route out, which takes longer. But I'm with you. I don't have anyone in that space. Like when Uzi was a freshman, I was like, okay, not all this is for me. But I, I, with what he's doing, I see the creativity and he's doing. I, I With some you Uzi stuff. I don't know if I feel that way about anyone. That would be like a yeet peer

[Mall]

and maybe that's as far as that vibe.

[Rory]

Yeah. Because that is the, the newer vibe.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like of course there's plenty of great young lyrical rappers. I'm not one of those people that, that doesn't think it's perfectly balanced right now. But in that world, I'm with you. I haven't found one where like I shouldn't like this, but this is fire.

[Mall]

Yeah. Yeah. I think the youngest artist, the youngest rapper I might like is probably Kodak. How old is Kodak now?

[Rory]

35.

[Mall]

No way. Kodak is 35. No, fuck. Kodak's. He's still in his 20s. Okay. Yeah, 35. About to say, hell no.

[Rory]

No. But the way Kodak lives like no,

[Mall]

no, he has, he has, he has years. He has years of experience for sure.

[Rory]

Kodak is 50 years. Yeah.

[Mall]

Dog years. Like yeah, yeah. Kodak N. That's.

[Rory]

That's an old man right there.

[Mall]

Yeah. But as far as like the 20 something year old rappers, like Kodak is probably like my favorite that I could think of that's probably still in their 20s that I'm like, I like this dude. I with him. Heavy.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Probably Kodak.

[Rory]

Because even like the, the realm of like when 21 Savage came out, I love 21 Savage. And his, his era had some shit that I. I was like, this is too young for me. Even though they're my age, I don't know if I've had a 21 in like the last few years. Because obviously 21 is now in the middle of his career. But yeah, the way I love 21 Savage. I haven't loved a new rapper with a different sound that isn't typically like the boom bap I like in a very, very long time. Yeah, but Kodak's up there.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't know. I mean listen, the young boy I'm starting to get into a little bit, but I wouldn't consider him young. I think he's. I think I'm so late obviously to young.

[Mall]

Yeah, young boy too.

[Rory]

He's selling out arenas.

[Mall]

Like yeah, he's another one that I like. Like him and him. To me, him and Kodak are like the guys that I'm like the young 20 something year olds where I'm like, I fuck with this.

[Rory]

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[Rory]

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[Rory]

Do you think. You think Ebro slipped up? But what do you think Ebro had a, you know, you done fucked up right? Moment.

[Mall]

What'd he do?

[Rory]

He. He was. He was on his show.

[Mall]

Shout.

[Rory]

Shout out to. To Ebro Rosenberg and. And Laura.

[Mall]

Shout out to Pete.

[Rory]

He. He was. He was discussing a lot of the pushback that. That he gets from people in his Drake Hate and some of his Cole critiquing. And he basically said, why should I give a fuck how they feel? They don't pay my bills. And if we're being real, the only one out of the big three that has supported my show and paid my bills was Kendrick Lamar.

[Mall]

Oh. Aha. Ebro. Aha. We got him. We got him.

[Rory]

No, you guys didn't.

[Mall]

We got him.

[Rory]

Oh, my God. I saw Ebro.

[Mall]

They got your ass. He said that. He did say, pay my bills.

[Rory]

Here, let. Let. Let's get the exact.

[Mall]

And he said, pay my bills. All right. That's. What I'm saying is you end up being some. And me too, I'm sure. But even you. You seem more like the. The captain of it. Of that.

[Public Investing Ad Voice]

You could.

[Mall]

Someone could say that is what happened. Yeah. Because you've been critical about Drake before. Yeah, but what I'm saying is I was critical about Drake before the beef. So if you're. If you're doing that. That you ain't been watching my show. Oh, so you mean it's different because you're not someone who stayed quiet and was like, oh, I got a reason. It's like, no, I've been critical about missteps you've had. Here's a giant misstep, and I'm critical again. Yeah. I would hope that he would see the difference that, like, there are. I don't. There are people who actually wanted Drake to do better in that and hope, by the way, I like all these guys, musically, artistically. Some I like more than others. I'm really loving what Cole's doing right now, but I don't give a goddamn. Like, we respond to things on the fly, bro. Like, it's happening right now. You did xyz. Like, what are you supposed to do?

[Rory]

Yeah, And Drake's criticism came out of how he was acting each time. And if we're keeping it a bean,

[Mall]

the only person that supported my show and me is Kendrick Lamar. So, like, if we talk about how we pay our bills, y' all Ain't been up here supporting me. None of y'. All. Kendrick has. I don't think anyone was talking about that specifically, but I'm just saying, like, why would I care how they feel about how I feel?

[Rory]

You.

[Mall]

I'm commenting on what you're doing.

[Rory]

Well, I don't give it.

[Mall]

Right. Right. What's the obligation of. I have no obligation.

[Rory]

I know.

[Mall]

And people act as if it's like, yeah, but it's not critical journalism. Then he. Bro, I don't know.

[Rory]

You know, that's. You know, that's not what he.

[Mall]

I don't know.

[Rory]

I'm. I have OVO algorithm. And you guys thought you got a him. I know what he's trying to say.

[Mall]

I know POA when I hear it. I know Pola. You don't know Paola like I know Paola.

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You.

[Mall]

That's the problem. You don't know.

[Rory]

That's what they know. They accuse you of that.

[Mall]

They accuse me of Paola.

[Rory]

I need to see tax returns on you and on Ebro because I got to see if TDE's paying better or OVO's paying better. They accuse me.

[Mall]

You know what, Peach?

[Rory]

I'm gonna.

[Mall]

Wait.

[Rory]

I'm gonna audit Mall, because I need

[Mall]

to see if there's been.

[Rory]

Oh. Payola in here, because now I found out that there's. Kendrick, Paola with Ebro, and Apple. I want my OVO check.

[Mall]

Hold on. Yo, Peach, I'mma look you in your eyes. They accused me of Paola. That's crazy.

[Rory]

I'm calling Lon tonight. Does Ma have some separate account that he's. He's funneling? What's. What's the Canadian dollar called? Whatever Tim Horton Bucky got. I know Maul has a separate offshore account with ovo, and I need to see it, because now I know that Ebro's getting paid.

[Mall]

Damn. They. They think I'm on Paola. That's crazy.

[Rory]

No. Nah. Ebro. They didn't catch Ebro the way they think they did. What he is saying. I don't have an incentive or loyalty to anybody because no one is here to pay my bills. I only have a responsibility to those people. But you are now kind of admitting that if somebody did that, you'd have an incentive to be nicer to them, which, to Rosenberg's point, is like, well, that's not journalism. You can't. Now, if someone fucks with you and comes up here now, you do not criticize them whatsoever. You have to be somewhat objective. And even if you're not a Journalist. We should still be somewhat objective.

[Mall]

Yeah, we laughing, but him saying that Kendrick is the only one that has supported him, that's kind of payola as well. Wires may not have been sent out. Yeah, it's social payola. It's just like, okay, you know what I mean? Like, all right, he came up here, supported you. So that means that now, like, that's your man's. You rolling. You ain't.

[Rory]

You know, I would. Oh, I wish. I wish the perception of this podcast was not that we were on OVO's payroll or we're some Drake dick riders. Because sometimes facts are facts, Ebro. If Drake didn't exist, radio would have died way quicker than it did. Yes, Drake has supported you in ways you have no idea. Radio caught another 10 year run.

[Mall]

Oh, my God, man. Yeah, talk about it, bro. Talk about it. Talk about it.

[Rory]

No, Drake has. Has not. Well, he. He has been up at Hot 97. He was up there with Flex and Scythe and he's been up there before. Then there was a, A back and forth with Hot and you know, Drake, Drake even dissing HOT on Madison Square Garden stages, which to me is kind of a form of support to some degree.

[Mall]

Support.

[Rory]

But nah, you can't work in radio and say Drake's never supported you.

[Mall]

Yeah, come on.

[Rory]

It's impossible.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's. That doesn't even make sense. But I understand what E. And I

[Rory]

know this is more like.

[Mall]

But here thing though, yo, Ebro, if Kendrick is your guy, that's your man. That's cool too. Like, we gotta get to that point where niggas understand, yo, that's my man. Like, I. That's my guy. I with him on a different level. We have a different relationship. Like, I think that that's okay to admit as well. Like, I understand you can still be, you know, like, Jay is like my big brother. That's family. You know what I'm saying? Like, but if Jay says something that I don't agree with, I'm gonna like, nah, I don't agree with that, big bro. Like, that was to me. But no, it's not a disrespect thing. Of course, I would never disrespect, but it's just like, you can disagree with people that support you and that you have a different relationship where you have a, A closer bond and connection with, like, that's okay, like, for people to say that, but you can also still be, you know, like, yo, nah, I don't just. I disagree with that move or I disagree with what you said there, that's all.

[Rory]

I mean, let me not be a hypocrite, Jay, if you want to come up here. I agree with everything that you say.

[Mall]

See? No, you can't see. Paola. We got him, Peach. We got him. We got him. Palooza, Roc Nation. This. This. This relationship. I want to see the accountant now. I want to see the account.

[Rory]

I've had real life conversations with Jay

[Mall]

that I'm disagreeing with the gold parties every year.

[Rory]

I've had healthy debates with.

[Mall]

I will see you when the Gold party happens. Like, what's going. What's going on?

[Rory]

I saw your brother suited and booted.

[Mall]

I. Yeah, but I didn't see you.

[Rory]

I couldn't even.

[Mall]

Yeah, but I didn't. I didn't see you is what I'm saying. And it's been.

[Rory]

Of course not.

[Mall]

Palooza. Roc Nation ties with you before. Like. I'm just saying.

[Rory]

I mean, listen, man, sometimes behind the scenes, there's audits. Why, why. Why you think, James? You gotta sell Doucet now after. After an hour audit?

[Mall]

Oh, man.

[Jacob Goldstein]

Yeah.

[Rory]

No, after what we spent with the J Electronica budget, I don't think I'll ever be friends with.

[Mall]

Oh, I didn't even do that math yet, Pete. The Jay Electric Elect. Roc Nation. Yo N. I gotta see the. I gotta see the papers. I gotta see the account. Wait, first of all, look, man, Nothing changes.

[Rory]

Look, P.E.

[Mall]

i'm asking for accountant once again. I need the accountant, Rory. I need to see it.

[Rory]

See, this will never be used in clips on the Internet. I have always been very forthcoming of my bias with Jay Z. I've also been critical of Jay Z, but I'm also biased because he's my favorite. And yes, at one point, we had a working relationship.

[Mall]

I'm.

[Rory]

I've always said say that, but, like, today I disagreed with half the.

[Mall]

He said no.

[Rory]

But it's not my fault that I. I just agree a lot of times with what JC does.

[Mall]

I'll put it out. It's also not my fault Jay is family. I'm never. I'm never going to. Whatever you is talking about on the Internet, that's my family, and it ain't even about bias. That's family. So y'. All. Yeah, I'm letting it be known. Yeah, it is what it is.

[Rory]

Nah, but if we don't get tickets, I'm gonna go on a ramp.

[Mall]

What rant you going on for?

[Rory]

Like, I don't know, blueprint, print, Extra innings.

[Mall]

Extra innings. Sold out. Rory, look, you had another shot to get tickets. Jay put extra in innings out for you and you still didn't get your tickets.

[Rory]

If. If I don't. If I don't get tickets more, I'm coming here and saying blueprints. Overrated. But you.

[Mall]

You said it before. You. You said it before the concert happened.

[Rory]

No, if I. If I get tickets, it's the greatest album of all time.

[Mall]

Okay, but if not, you come in.

[Rory]

Can you imagine overcoming a release on 911?

[Mall]

Like, never forget, forget, never forget. We will never forget.

[Rory]

Does he bring out Fab just to do his Street Dreams album just in solidarity? Nah, that's a rough day.

[Mall]

It's not gonna happen.

[Rory]

That must have been tough. I mean, outside of 911. I'll make that clear. That must have been.

[Mall]

There were other things that happened that day that made that day rough, Rory.

[Rory]

No, I think Fab was focused on something else. Why. Why do you think Def Jam would want to put out both those albums together?

[Mall]

I mean, they didn't anticipate what was about to happen.

[Rory]

No, no, not. No. Well, well,

[Mall]

if you.

[Rory]

Listen, Never mind, never mind.

[Mall]

If we not going to do. You can't do that.

[Rory]

If I. If I start. No, just. I don't. Maybe cuz when like, record labels were doing those types of things, I only had like money for one cd. Whereas like streaming, now I can listen to everything if it comes out on the same day. I guess I can see it from the point of view of like. Like, if you're going to CD store, let's have everything there that we could. But, oh, for like younger fans, no. Whether I had the money or my mom was gonna buy me a CD, we weren't going there for a bunch of CDs. You picking Blueprint or fat? Like, you gotta pick it. Like, that's what. Even with volume three and there was X, I had to do that. Like, my mom's like, well, pick one. I was like, but I love Party Up.

[Mall]

I loved getting that type of music back then though. Going to Virgin Megastore, standing there, listening to the album. Album with the headphones on while the homies just walking around you on track six, like, nah, this hard. I'm about to buy this. Yeah, that was such an experience.

[Rory]

Your man's already broke the plastic shit. Yeah.

[Mall]

Oh, come on, man. Those jackets were those the days, Peach. Were those the days?

[Rory]

Yeah. We used to take actual X acto knives and cut the shit and take just the disc out. Yeah, like, that was always.

[Mall]

We don't need the.

[Rory]

That's why I love CD booklets. Cause a lot of the CDs that I have have statue of limitations, I guess. I don't think they're gonna come and find me.

[Mall]

No Virgin shut down. Okay.

[Rory]

Yeah, we would. That's why we didn't have a cd. We would just cut the. And take the disc out. That was the easiest way to get music.

[Mall]

Yeah, for sure.

[Rory]

And then everyone burns it. Those are fun days.

[Mall]

Great times.

[Rory]

Well, yes, Maul. Maul will never critique Jay Z, and he probably will never come up here,

[Mall]

but they don't know. We gonna get the Jay interview in front of Yankee Stadium with Jerome. Jerome. Jerome Ave. They're not ready for that. They're not ready for that.

[Rory]

It would be fun just to ride the train back and forth.

[Mall]

Four up and down. Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah, it'd be fun.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You getting us Jay in front of Yankee Stadium and Drake in front of the CN Tower. Oh, we're gonna go to the top of the list.

[Mall]

Come on, man. Who else but us can do that?

[Rory]

Oh, we. I mean, we definitely. I'm. I'm honored for every time we've been on the media list of. Of being 13 and the 9 and. And just listen, man. As the days go by, I just see us going lower and lower. Like, Frazier's got to be. Frazier's got to be number two after one day.

[Mall]

Shout out to Frazier.

[Rory]

And he's a great journalist. I want to make that. That very clear. Shout out to Frazier. Yeah. Nadeska out of here. Like, we. We just keep the pegs. Just keep getting lower every time. Everyone gets an A list interview in one week. Because Cam got to be there now, too. If he. If he wasn't already. I didn't memorize the list, but, yeah, for sure. But they just do a lot of sports stuff. That's where I think maybe they wouldn't have been on the list before. But I think anyone that gets a J. Cole interview, you're automatically on the top 20 media list.

[Mall]

Yeah. Mello will be up there. As you should. Yeah, as you should.

[Rory]

With that said, Maul has his dancing shoes on. We are, we are still.

[Mall]

I can get busy in these.

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We.

[Rory]

We. We are knee deep in the bracket game right now.

[Mall]

Oh, man.

[Rory]

Man, my bracket is at 66.8% right now, which isn't great, but with the spreads, I've been doing okay on. On Hard Rock. Bet the spreads have been nicer to me than. Than the wins here even. I'm 66. I've done all right on Hard Rock.

[Mall]

Right?

[Rory]

We have, like, A. A cool like, bracket pool as well with some of our patreon and discord.

[Mall]

I'm getting smoked.

[Rory]

Yeah, some. Some are. Our discord people are smoking more. Mall Moneybag Mall is currently ranked seventh in our pool of. I don't even know how many are here. 10, maybe I'm doing okay at 4, but we should have never let Trey into this. That was the stupidest idea I ever had. I was. Someone text Trey and Adam.

[Mall]

He got Arizona winning it all. Right.

[Rory]

I have Arizona winning it all as well on my bracket. You have Houston winning the entire thing. I mean, I have Houston in my final four, but you. If Houston wins, you can make a run up these charts.

[Mall]

Yeah, there's.

[Rory]

There's still hope.

[Mall]

I'm not out. I'm not out of it. I'm on. It's.

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It's.

[Mall]

I need a miracle. But yeah, I still got some life. I still got some life left while

[Rory]

we are recording this. Listen, man. One of. One of the biggest games March 27 that I'm paying attention to. Should I speak from my heart and then also speak from my hard rock heart?

[Mall]

Both.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

I think both are important.

[Rory]

Both are aligned, but not aligned to my bracket. Duke versus St. John's I have Duke beating St. John's on my bracket. On my bracket, I have Duke beating

[Mall]

St. John's I don't know, man, but

[Rory]

I will be rooting for St. John's and I'm betting on St. John's St. John's is getting six and a half right right now. I think Duke's going to win, but I don't think they're. They're going to win by seven. I think that's going to be an extremely close game. I'm definitely taking St. John's plus six and a half, like, for sure. That's kind of like, disrespectful. Not to say Duke isn't good, but I don't think duke is. Is six and a half better than the run St. John's is on right now. Yeah, I think that the smart bet with that is cool. Even if Duke wins Titans, they definitely not winning by. By 7.

[Mall]

I don't know it's gonna be a good game, but yeah, I don't know about seven, though, so you might be safe.

[Rory]

I'm going St. John's with that for sure. But it conflicts because on my bracket, I have Duke one. But either way, either way, you might.

[Mall]

You might. You might come off victorious.

[Rory]

I just want St. John's I just want to see St. John's go just play good. I was trying to be logical in my bracket, but logically, on the betting side, yeah, I'm taking that six and a half.

[Mall]

I'm not mad at that.

[Rory]

UConn versus Michigan State is probably the other one. That's. That I've been debating in. In. In my. My betting group chats. Huskies are favorited by one and a half. That's. That's the risky bet. Which. Which side are you taking?

[Mall]

I think I'm taking UConn. I'm taking that.

[Rory]

But what if they only win by one? Because there's a. A high chance that that could happen. Especially with this storm. It's been nothing but fucking buzzer beaters.

[Mall]

You right?

[Rory]

There's been layoffs of someone that didn't play the whole game.

[Mall]

Only basket that mattered. Yeah, I like, I like Yukon for, for one and a half though.

[Rory]

I'm taking that. I. I think I might be on your side with that. I think UConn is going to win, but I think it might only be by one point. I'm still going to go Yukon.

[Mall]

I'm taking that bet for sure.

[Rory]

But anyone that is betting Hard Rock bet. That's our guys. We've. We've been doing okay on. On that side. We also have our label bracket. Have you. Have you take a look a look at that?

[Mall]

M. No, I didn't. I didn't look at that yet. But the first round is over, right?

[Rory]

First round is over. Shout out to. To everybody that that did participate in the first round. We can run through this really quick for those that are just tuning in. Maybe didn't hear a few episodes ago, we put together a March Madness style bracket with each rap label table.

[Mall]

And it was mad about some of those. Some of, some of those rankings.

[Rory]

Yeah, I definitely got. Got some flack. But then there was also people dming me that I just don't think they understand how brackets work.

[Mall]

Of course they don't.

[Rory]

They were like, why would you guys ever put Death Row against Dreamville? Like, that's so unfair. I'm like, that's how brackets work. The number one C is gonna go against the worst seat. Yeah, that's how it works. But we can run through this quickly. First round, Death Row Dreamville. Not really a surprise there. Death Row cleans up QC versus Tommy Boy QC with. I didn't know if that one was going to go the way I thought. I don't know if QC gets the same respect that I have for them, but maybe people are just unfamiliar with Tommy Boy Yeah, for sure. I was thinking maybe there'd be an upset there. There wasn't. Rough Riders, G Unit, man, fuck y'. All. Rough Riders with the clear win.

[Mall]

Wasn't even close.

[Rory]

It was a blowout. Shady Aftermat at a two seed against OVO Aftermath. Shady wins that.

[Mall]

Oh, come on. Come on. Was it a blowout?

[Rory]

It was Nicki. Nicki Minaj versus Roy Woods. Yeah.

[Mall]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

It was a nail biter.

[Mall]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

Getting to the lower bracket here. Cash Money versus Griselda. Cash Money Money. Rap A Lot versus no Limit. They went no Limit, man. Y'.

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[Rory]

Okay, I'm not saying no limits. Not incredible.

[Mall]

Yeah, I know y' all go through

[Rory]

Rap A Lot's catalog. Yeah. Scarface alone.

[Mall]

Oh, man, they don't. They don't. They don't respect the elders, man. That's the problem. It's the problem with these youngsters.

[Rory]

These youngsters everybody loves. See Murder. Murder, Inc. Verse cmg. That was a tough one for cmg. Bad matchup because I think CMG could have went far in this tournament. But it's tough when you're going against Murder, Inc. In the first round. But that's a three seed to a six seed. Sorry, cmg. You. You should be here ne next year.

[Mall]

Yeah, they got. They got.

[Rory]

It's a lot of fresh.

[Mall]

A lot of people in the transfer portal. Man. They got some people in the portal. Don't worry about it, Glo.

[Rory]

Glorilla's still young. Yeah, she's not ready to go to league.

[Mall]

She'll be back.

[Rory]

So, so deaf. Sorry. Our intern that was born in 2017 put so so records and. And they still won against ysl.

[Mall]

I'm not sure who's on that roster, but they still won.

[Rory]

That's up. If I'm ysl, I'm mad that so. So be me.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Loud Records versus dtp. Kind of knew where that one was going to go. Swish A House versus Cold Chilling. Swish House. Y' all are absolutely insane. Cold Chilling could have made it to the final F for Good Music versus Ruthless. Good Music one, I guess. I get it. Bad Boy verse. Hypnotized Mind. Bad Boy. Obviously there TDE versus Rough House. Tde. Uptown Records versus mmg. I thought y' all were gonna go MMG on this. I really did.

[Mall]

Hell, no.

[Rory]

No, I don't think we in this room were.

[Mall]

Oh, okay, okay.

[Rory]

I did think people might pick MMG over that. Raucus versus Grand Hustle. Grant Hustle wins. I.

[Mall]

Grant Hustle beat Raucous.

[Rory]

That that might be the biggest upset.

[Mall]

Oh, that's the upset. Bracket buster. You got a bracket buster. That was a bracket buster.

[Rory]

That's Davidson. That's like, Iggy is. Is Steph Curry. Like, how did. How did Davidson get there?

[Mall]

Iggy, Steph Curry.

[Rory]

Who did. Who did Jamir Nelson and LeBron's mom's ex play for again? Saint Bonaventure. Saint Joe. Saint Joe's Saint Bonaventure. N. Saint Bonnie's has done some damage in. In bracket busting before.

[Mall]

Yeah, that was St. Joe's that's all right.

[Rory]

Grand hustle's definitely St. Joe's in this because that's nuts. Rockefeller. Verse 10, 17. I mean. Yeah, that's where that goes. So we don't have to go through the next matchups with every single one, but. But let's pick a few where we want to make some predictions. Rough Riders versus Aftermath is a two and three seed.

[Mall]

That's the next matchup. Rough Riders, Aftermath. Oof.

[Rory]

I'm still going. Aftermath. When you have the run of Eminem and you have the run of 50 Cent alone.

[Mall]

Yeah. DMX, that pains me, but. But yeah, gotta go. Aftermath.

[Rory]

There I. You know what? Where you could make an argument which would be a good of, like getting one and a half points. It would be the third person on the roster that would really define that because, all right, X had an insane run. Not to Eminem's just off sheer longevity, but X had a crazy run that could. You could debate against 50s with his first three albums versus X. His first three albums, like, could make a case. Do you put Eve against Ob Trice at that point? Because now I'm starting to lean more on Rough Riders if you get deeper into the bench. Because the Locks only had We Are the Streets, which to me is a classic, but it wasn't their Money, Power, Respect, where they had insane hit records, but they had Ride or Die on there. Got the Locks. Once you go down the bench, Rough Riders may beat aftermath.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Rory]

Can eminent 50 carry the whole.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Squad.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, once you get to Bizarre, I think he wants. I think Eve is clearing up Bizarre.

[Mall]

For sure. For sure, for sure. That matchup. Yeah, for sure.

[Rory]

I had Aftermath that as a two seed myself. I think Rough Riders could. Could upset them.

[Mall]

That could be close. Yeah, that's gonna be a close. That might be the closest matchup. Yeah.

[Rory]

Cash money, no limit. I mean, we saw that Versus already, but that did not include Wayne, Nikki, and Drake, so I don't know. I just don't think.

[Mall]

Yeah. Come on, man. We ain't got to do it.

[Rory]

Anyone in this side of the. I'm sorry, guys that you had to even go against Cash money.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So, so Deaf Murder, Inc. I don't know where I land on that.

[Mall]

I think I'm going so, so deaf.

[Rory]

It had a much longer run.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. I think I would probably have to land on so, so deaf, unfortunately.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, I love Charlie Baltimore, but again, once you get down the bench and then your starters get tired. Sorry.

[Mall]

Make some songs.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

You get different.

[Rory]

I don't. I don't know.

[Mall]

They get different.

[Rory]

But. Yeah, you can now vote for the next round, shout out to everyone that did participate in this. And I love all the messages and debates of how stupid you think we are with where these rankings are, but it's in your hands now. Yeah. Yo, if they take Grand Hustle, like, what was the dude that did the GameStop insider trading thing? Yeah. Roaring. If y' all roaring Kitty Grand Hustle to the. To the final four, I would be so fucking mad.

[Mall]

Who's the. Who's Grand Hustle?

[Rory]

Next matchup against Rockefeller.

[Mall]

Hell, nah.

[Rory]

But you have to understand, the power is in the people's hands. That's why GameStop, they were able to change the stock. We can't be Wall street and be like, now we got to change the rules. You can't do that.

[Mall]

People.

[Rory]

The people get Ryan. Grand Hustle.

[Mall]

People are stupid. They ain't that stupid. People are stupid. Now, I'm with you on that. They ain't that stupid. Rockefeller to the finals.

[Rory]

Now they. I think they. They might champion around Grand Hustle to make a point to show that we have the power.

[Mall]

Rockefeller wins this round.

[Rory]

It would be against Uptown or tde.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah. Rockefeller walking. They walking, walking.

[Rory]

They walk into the finals between Uptown and tde. That's. That's a. A tough matchup. I think TDE might slightly beat him, but again, that. That. That could go either way with me, and I wouldn't think it was crazy. I don't know if Rockefeller is just walking through TDE or Uptown Records. Just walking, walking, walk. We have Dog walk, you have Kanye West. Dog walk, you have Kanye West. I'm not even talking about. What are we talking about? Kanye West.

[Mall]

What are we talking about right now? It's a dog walk, bro. All right.

[Rory]

Isaiah Rashad versus Emil.

[Mall]

Don't see.

[Rory]

Take your. Take your pick.

[Mall]

See how. See how fast you take.

[Rory]

Take your pick, man.

[Mall]

Come on, man. Don't do that. We not doing that. Rockefeller to the final four.

[Rory]

Yeah. I think so as well. But this has been fun so far and I love seeing who, who people are voting for. It's been a really cool Patreon Discord type thing. Pay attention to our socials. The links are there and you can vote. And again, shout out to everyone that has has been voting and shout out to Hard Rock. Maybe one day we can convince Hard Rock to add this to their, you know, their dashboard, the label, and we can start really betting on label. No, I think this brag has done a lot of good for artists as well. MMG got knocked out of the first round and now Meek is doing AI. Found a new path.

[Mall]

What do you mean he's doing AI?

[Rory]

He's, he's doing AI. He's like, yo, I got AI.

[Mall]

Know, like, he's using AI.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

For what?

[Rory]

I mean, things that I actually think are great, but they're going to clown me because like, bro, everybody got chat. Gbt. You said like what? He says, like, recover all business controls, tracking royalties, locating money, finding red flags, planning, organizing years of information, Creating a family office structure, business navigation. I've been waiting my whole life for tools like this. Now, I, I, I love to laugh at Meek Sweets, but I feel him. I would just love to see, like, what do you think the Meek in chat GBT conversation? Like, I want a sneak peek. Add me to the group chat. I mean, I gotta see what they be saying to Meek and what he be saying back.

[Mall]

Listen, I love the fact that Meek is trying to jump into the tech space and do things on the business side. That's. We love that. But can we keep it on Brand and let Meek actually tweet? Like, we know Meek didn't tweet that. There's no grammatical errors. There's no run on. Like, come on.

[Rory]

The, Let me tweet the spacing that he usually has.

[Mall]

Like, come on, bro. Like, keep it on brand. Don't do that.

[Rory]

It's obvious that while he was talking to AI about these things, he said, hey, can you form a tweet for me about what we're doing together?

[Mall]

Yeah, but even that's not AI. AI didn't.

[Rory]

Oh, no. I think AI told him all those words. He just put dots in between them.

[Mall]

Nah, that's. Somebody got Meek phone. They got his account. They got his Twitter account. They trying to clean up. They trying to clean up Meek's tweets. Like, don't do that.

[Rory]

Clean up Meek. Yeah, now they're trying to do it.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Rory]

Let Me years later.

[Mall]

Let me get his off, man. That's what. That's the. That's the magic in it. Let Meek tweet his own. That's the magic in Meek's tweets, man.

[Rory]

Listen, man, he said he truly believes in this. Like, he can't code, but he knows how to create things that last forever. Empower the creation to the masses. I do that with rap all the time. If I could deliver a new software to my supporters or the masses is insane. I used to pray for times like this.

[Mall]

See, you see?

[Rory]

That's chazy beauty.

[Mall]

See, like, come on, man.

[Rory]

Or whatever. One he's trying to promote right now. Yeah, Claudia. Or whatever the. It's called Claude.

[Mall]

Claude.

[Rory]

Claudia Ortiz. Like, yeah, one of those. Those AI programs.

[Mall]

Keep the Meek tweets going, man. Let me tweet free. Meek tweet tweets.

[Rory]

Why Meek doesn't have a coffee table book of his? Like, that's something. I would buy 100 for, like, 300 bucks. I would buy that.

[Mall]

Meek's Greatest tweets.

[Rory]

What? Yeah, that coffee table book. You just put that in the office.

[Mall]

Like, you just gave him that.

[Rory]

Listen, man, we could use AI to figure out how to monetize it and, like, where to find the coffee table books.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yes, that's us. That's me and Meek.

[Mall]

I ain't mad at that.

[Rory]

How am I already. Well, I'm a silent investor, but how am I already bringing more to the table with Meek and my. More than you,

[Mall]

me, and more. I forgot about that.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, Yeah. P is saying there. There was somebody that created AI music and an AI artist and boded it with AI and made, you know, like, millions of dollars, which, I mean, we already knew. I'm not mad at that.

[Mall]

It was time that they give that gym gentlemen.

[Rory]

Oh, no, he's.

[Mall]

He's.

[Rory]

Yeah, you know, he's. I mean, back to the Roaring Kitty. Like, somebody found a loophole to disrupt the system of the people that create the system. So while it's fair, like, these rules were never here before. Why would. Why would I be punished for something that was never regulated? Just because you were too stupid to realize that we had the power to do this, but now you have the ability to change it, and no one can do it. And now I'm. You know, I owe you 10.8 million. I think about was. It was something fucking crazy. And it was like, wait, this wasn't the rules. Why would I owe you this shit back? Same with the Roaring Kitty thing with Gamestop. Like, Y' all are mad that we found a loophole in y' all rules.

[Mall]

Yeah. I'm just not willing to play with my freedom for a loophole, though. I was never that guy. We know the loophole is there, but is it. Is it worth. Worth the risk though?

[Rory]

Sometimes.

[Mall]

If you still got that money, though, if you give it back to them, you're good, right?

[Rory]

If I'm making 10.8 million with the ARS, I'm going nuts. You won't know I'm spending a lot of that. I don't. I didn't hold.

[Mall]

You really put that out. My lady. That's me, right?

[Rory]

Taylor, who see my numbers over here. But that's when you get a little too greedy, man. Like sometimes. Every time 92Bricks is too much, sometimes you have to fall back, just chill. Like if you making. If. If you quietly making a hundred thousand of mailbox money because you found out how to just quietly. Yeah, don't go for the gusto. Like, clearly, if somebody is making 8 of streaming music, someone's going to notice that of like. Wait, we pay Taylor. This.

[Mall]

What's this? Yeah, you made it hot. You made it hot.

[Rory]

Cuz there was plenty of people that were doing this with botting forms before and yeah, this. It's kind of nuts that it took them this long to do it, but I do feel them. Like you have to regulate.

[Mall]

Of course you do that.

[Rory]

AI shoot, hell yeah. I'm happy for that trailblazer. But nah, let's fix. Fix that. Yeah, because that, that it with the market for artists that are putting music out now.

[Mall]

Exactly.

[Rory]

So. But I mean, salute, man. You found a way. Yeah, definitely found a way.

[Mall]

Now enjoy that. That last cell on. On tier three, because that's where you'll be at.

[Rory]

Imagine. Imagine behind you being in the day room trying to explain why you're here.

[Mall]

Yeah, I ran it up. All right.

[Rory]

To somebody that's been in jail for 20 years that has no idea what

[Mall]

Spotify is, they don't know what. What AI is. They like Iverson is still playing.

[Rory]

Like, do they allow like Spotify and stuff on. On the prison tablets? Probably, right?

[Mall]

Yeah. I think you get music on the tablets. Yeah, I think so.

[Rory]

That would scare me. Don't. Don't let like, certain inmates get drill music be riots every day playing that. Are you gonna bid on the Seattle and Las Vegas NBA teams?

[Mall]

No. Oh, okay. Seattle needs a team though. For sure.

[Rory]

They do.

[Mall]

Yeah, they definitely need a team. Vegas. That's a whole nother conversation. Can only imagine what that team is going to look like.

[Rory]

I give it. I give it 15 years. All the teams that are either going to Vegas or they're going to start in Vegas are going to be the conglomerate. They'll be the new Celtics Laker, like the. They're going to make sure all the Vegas teams are the best.

[Mall]

There's no taxes. Living in Nevada, right?

[Rory]

Yeah, well, there's. I mean, there's some taxes. It's just not as great.

[Mall]

Well, not. I mean. Yeah. Not like California. Not like California. Right.

[Rory]

But yeah, I can see Vegas becoming. Just because it's. Everyone's investing, obviously, in gambling and everything. Yeah, that's. Why don't we make all the sports themes here?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Are you gonna go to 50 cents planet Hollywood where you can dine with the celebs?

[Mall]

Nah, I don't think so, Rory. I don't think I'll be pulling up today.

[Rory]

I'm just trying to give you updates and news. That's.

[Mall]

That's all. Yeah, Planet. Like the old Planet Hollywood.

[Rory]

They put that as, like, the, the avy for the article, but they're. Yeah, like 50 cents opening some for regular people. They just play it all like. But they didn't put that in the article. They just had the photo of Planet Hollywood. Yeah. Apparently, you know, regular people will be able to be in the same place where they're going to pay celebs to just hang out. More or less.

[Mall]

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if I want to be a part of that. Sounds like a circus.

[Rory]

I mean, I don't think we'll be high on any lists of, of, like, demand, but I, I would take a check to just stand in Times Square, Planet Hollywood, and be like, yo, what's up?

[Mall]

You get you. You ready to sell your soul?

[Rory]

I have a, A, A daughter that's in daycare five days a week. Okay, 50 I'm available to be sold.

[Mall]

Sold for sale. Sold for sale.

[Rory]

Every. Everything is for sale.

[Mall]

Well, just have been a great conversation. Hopefully we won't be banned from. From Yankee Stadium. Yeah, I think we're fine.

[Rory]

And for everyone that stays this long into the episodes, please wish Damaris a happy birthday today.

[Mall]

Yes, sir. Happy birthday, Baby D. Happy Birthday, Baby

[Rory]

D. Baby D turns 27 today, so everyone, Baby D, give her a happy birthday. Do you have your, Your, like, birthday text message ready for midnight for Damaris? Yeah,

[Mall]

yeah, I do. It starts something like, happy birthday. Continue health and blessings. If your ass is not back in the studio on Monday, you no longer work here. Something like that. I'm just. I'm just spitballing right now. I'm just spitballing a week off. Yeah.

[Rory]

The timing was so perfect with the flights and spitballing.

[Mall]

Just spitballing because it was cool.

[Rory]

You want to get your birthday off? I'm never, never mad at that. But then somehow you finagled the whole week off.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah. It's all good. A lot of weeks off in a minute.

[Rory]

I know for a fact everyone in this room has worked on their birthday in this motherfucking podcast, man. Just because we put a balloon in the office doesn't make our birthdays better.

[Mall]

When we record, like, what the fuck? It's all right, though. We got something for you.

[Rory]

And that's why men and women are so much different. Like what? Peach worked on his birthday, and I remember Damaris was like, well, let's go get him a cake. I'm like, he's working on his birthday. Like, a cake is not gonna pee.

[Mall]

Doesn't know about. Men don't want to see a cake on their birthday.

[Rory]

You don't want to change out of here anything. If you get a balloon that says Happy Birthday, like, that's not going to change a man working on his birthday's day at all. It's actually going to remind him, why the am I here on my birthday?

[Mall]

Exactly. More depression. So just want to give us depression calories and high blood pressure with cake and, like, get the out of here. But happy birthday, Baby D. Hopefully she's somewhere having fun, enjoying herself, and hopefully she'll have a job next week.

[Rory]

Did she make it backstage? I don't even know if she's in New York.

[Mall]

I don't know where Damaris is.

[Rory]

I have a location. I don't even think I know.

[Mall]

I don't know where Damaris is in the world.

[Rory]

I haven't heard from her.

[Mall]

She flew out of LaGuardia this morning.

[Rory]

How'd she get to LaGuardia?

[Mall]

Yeah. Who knows? Who knows, man? Who knows? Who knows? But wherever she is, hopefully Baby D is safe and enjoying yourself.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mall]

And everybody else that's listening in. Hopefully you are safe somewhere enjoying yourself. Until next time.

[Rory]

See you Saturday.

[Mall]

Be safe, be blessed. I'm that. He's just Ginger. Peace.

[Rory]

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