Episode 473 | 75 Bodies

Summary

New Rory & MAL — Episode 473: “75 Bodies”

Date: March 27, 2026
Podcast: New Rory & MAL
Hosts: Rory, Mal, Zip
Description: The crew discuss modern hip-hop trends, classic albums, the impact of streaming and social media, artist relationships, and some wild street stories—including a notorious “75 bodies” tale. Candid stories and hot takes abound, with plenty of laughter and strong opinions about rap culture.

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Episode Overview

Episode 473 of New Rory & MAL brings the show’s signature blend of hip-hop debate, generational perspective, personal stories, and social commentary. This week, Rory, Mal, and guest Zip dig deep into the value of classic albums, new school virality, where MCs stack up in the hierarchy, and how the digital era has exploded access, both to music and to, well, “bad bitches.” They also share vivid street tales—including a hilariously grim “75 bodies” anecdote—and tackle the industry’s relationship to controversy, notably the Diddy fallout.

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Key Discussion Topics & Insights

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1. Pop-Up Shop & DJ Set Anticipation

(03:26–04:21)

• The crew promote their upcoming NYC merch pop-up (Cafe Comado, 286 Broome St.) and hype up Ryan’s upcoming DJ set.
• Light roasting of Ryan about the importance of his first NYC gig.
• Playlist talk, including jokes about mobb-heavy sets and hip-hop authenticity.
• Early digressions into debates about which albums are “classics.”

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2. What’s a Hip-Hop Classic?

(04:21–11:12)

• Debates: Is an album still a classic if it has skips? (e.g. “Ready to Die,” “All Eyez On Me,” “Get Rich or Die Tryin’”)
• Zip: “Is ‘Ready to Die’ a classic album? Yes. It got skips, right? I can skip them shits, right?” (05:01)
• Disagreement on what songs are skips (i.e., Machine Gun Funk).
• Mall: “If it’s more than two [skips], then it can’t be [a classic].”
• Impact matters: “Get Rich or Die Tryin’ because of the impact.” —Mall (05:44)
• Zip stands firm: “Life After Death, I don’t think nobody made a more complete album… it got every type of vibe.” (07:52–08:27)

Memorable Quote:

• “BIG Got the best rap album of all time. To me, Life After Death…” —Zip (07:52)

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3. Reasonable Doubt, Jay-Z, and the Generational Divide

(08:42–12:18)

• Mall maintains “Reasonable Doubt” is better than “Life After Death.”
• Production value debate: “I think it’s way better production on Life After Death…” —Zip (09:00)
• The crew discuss experiencing historic albums in real-time vs. listening after the fact.
• Jay-Z’s early sales and star power contextualized; Reasonable Doubt going gold was major for the time.
• Mall: “Younger cats… raving about this… Was three years old when that album came out. But to see people 30 years later still… excitement… it’s dope.” (09:47)

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4. Hip-Hop & Movie Soundtracks – A Lost Era?

(12:18–13:33)

• The importance of soundtracks (“Above the Rim,” “Black Panther”), and why that era's musical moments hit different.
• Zip: “My favorite Pac is on the soundtrack. Above the Rim—Pain.” (12:31–12:41)
• Mall: “I think that’s what’s missing. We need moments like that.” (12:52)

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5. Too Much Music, Too Many Options

(13:33–20:37)

• Flood of music releases diluting the “classic” feeling.
• Longing for the days when you “sat with albums.”
• Parallel to dating: Instagram now exposes everyone to endless options—women and men alike.
  • “There’s so many bad bitches in the world. I don’t… we wasn’t supposed to know it was that many of them.” —Zip (14:18)
• Social media and apps have changed dating and perception of status, making everyone feel more disposable.
• Viral moments vs. true artistry; “albums as products.”
• Rory: “Artists and songs have become like products now… like them little widget things that spun.” (21:54)
• Viral singles vs. bodies of work: “Some music is meant for that… but we can’t look at them with the same lens as Jay-Z or Nas.” —Mall (22:47)

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6. Microwave Era Music Creation & Studio Access

(23:08–26:59)

• Critique of “punch-in” rap, reading off phones, and lack of craft:
  • Zip: “In the booth, punching in, that shit is mad corny. I don’t care who you is.” (23:08–24:46)
• “Studio prices should have stayed high… It made you be prepared.” (25:16)
• Old school vs. new school work ethic: “500 an hour… you know your shit, one take, load the next one up.” —Zip (26:01)

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7. Gatekeeping & AI in Music Streaming

(19:05–20:37, 25:03–26:59)

• Joking that AI should block bad uploads to Spotify:
  • Rory: “AI needs… some program… if it’s trash. I don’t think your man at the pizza shop should have… the ability to just upload…” (19:05)
• But classic songs that “shouldn’t have passed the AI test” might never have broken through.

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8. Sparring in Hip-Hop and Crew Dynamics: The Joey Badass/J. Cole/JID Discourse

(29:37–69:01)

• Joey Badass tweets about sparring and the reluctance of “top dogs” to put hungry newcomers on their own records.
• Robust debate: Should J. Cole have put JID on his new album (“The Fall Off”) given JID’s Grammy nomination and success?
• Mall: “Jid’s skill set, his success, his energy… that warrants a look from his peer.” (50:42)
• Definitions of “peer” are fiercely debated—with arguments around skill, accomplishments, and industry status.
  • “If I’m Grammy nominated and you Grammy nominated, are we not peers?” —Mall (50:57)
• Contrast between old and new eras (Rocafella, Dipset, etc.—the whole crew used to get featured).
• Zip: “…all the Big Dog niggas supposed to have they young niggas on they album.” (67:42)
• Rory: “If I’m putting together my project… my last album. I don’t know if… I have to place JID somewhere…” (57:35)
• Much laughter over the “birthday” mixtape and how features are chosen.

Memorable Quotes:

• “You put out 30 boring ass songs on an album. Nobody listened to today. And you ain’t even put your man on it.” —Zip (68:15)
• “J. Cole is like Seinfeld to me. Had to have some level of intelligence to understand that. It’s not for the layman.” —Zip (71:35)

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9. Classic Street Stories—Curfews and "75 Bodies"

(72:45–83:59)

• Zip recounts being forced by his grandma to have a 10pm curfew after “beating a body” at 16:
  • “You got to come in the house at 10 o’clock… I looked at that lady like, man, I just beat a body….”
• Lively reminiscence about being “scared of your grandmother”—a common rite of passage.
• The legendary “75 bodies” paperwork story—Zip discovers in jail that another inmate is being investigated for 75 murders, and the crew reacts in shock and laughter:
  • Zip: “They investigating you for 75, and you ain’t do none of them? That don’t work.” (80:21)
• Rory: “If I read that first page and saw 'investigated for 75,' I would close that.” (81:01)
• Discussion of the violence of NYC in the '80s and '90s:
  • “The 80s born in the 80s, born in 75, that was outside in '88, '89—different.” —Zip (84:20)
• The culture of kids running errands/cigarette runs at age six, rolling up leaves to “pretend smoke” (86:24).

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10. Diddy, Morality & ‘Kicking Someone When They’re Down’

(93:01–102:28)

• J. Cole chose not to release a podcast about his rumored fight with Diddy, not wanting to “kick him while he’s down.”
• The crew is baffled by what’s considered cancel-worthy: “I think society thinks it’s crazier that he likes cum on his nipples than kicking a woman.” —Rory (96:33)
• Zip: “Once I know a dude be beating up his girl, I don’t fuck with him. … Once it’s a case against ladies, we don’t give a fuck.” (96:40)
• Brief discussion of 50 Cent and relishing not having skeletons in the closet—allows him to talk freely.

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11. New Music & Closing Thoughts

(102:30–113:59)

• No new Kanye (“Bully”) yet; anticipation for new Yeet and Stove God Cooks/Swizz Beatz album.
• Short review of artists like Fetty Wap, Stove God, Roc Marciano, and comparisons among NY rappers (Don Q, Earl, etc.)
• Stove God praised for relatability and authenticity:
  • “If you ain’t selling drugs, I don’t really want to hear it right now.” —Zip (110:50)
• Mall & Rory champion Jozzy’s new album (Soundtrack to Get Her Back).

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12. Notable Quotes & Moments

• “You ain't gonna freak that beat not knowing your raps, reading off your phone.” —Zip (24:09)
• On social media vs. the old days: “The world is the size of your phone, homie.” —Zip (17:29)
• Mall: “Younger cats… raving about this… Was three years old when that album came out. But… so much excitement… I think it’s dope.” (09:47)
• On the “microwave” era: “Shit is a microwave society.” —Zip (22:43)
• “Kiss and Fab are nicer than Jay… They could rap better than you.” —Zip (35:30)
• “Everyone in Queens got a basement.—Not everyone.”—Mall & Zip (70:19)
• “Kids running the store at 6 years old, smoking cigarettes. That’s what was going on.”—Mall (86:46)
• “Put the tapes out and yours is… It ain’t Exhibit C… That’s what they waiting for.”—Zip on Diddy’s alleged blackmail (97:26)

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13. Event Reminder (NYC Pop-Up)

(114:16–115:34)

• Café Comado, 286 Broome St., Merch pop-up, 1–6 PM (Saturday)
• Playlists, meet-and-greet, and jokes about Ryan’s intern DJ duties.

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Pop-Up Shop & Playlists: 03:26
• Classic Album Debate: 04:36–11:12
• Jay-Z/Reasonable Doubt Era: 08:43–12:18
• Movie Soundtracks: 12:18–13:33
• Instagram/Options/Dating Culture: 13:54–15:40
• Music Quantity Fatigue: 17:29–20:37
• Viral Artists vs. Albums: 21:54–23:08
• Studio Access & Craft: 23:08–26:59
• Joey Badass / J. Cole / JID / Crew Debate: 29:37–69:01
• Street Stories & '75 Bodies': 72:45–83:59
• Diddy / Cancel Culture Segment: 93:01–102:28
• New Music / Album Reviews: 102:30–113:59
• Pop-Up/Outro: 114:16–115:34

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Episode Tone & Style

• Candid, irreverent, braggadocious but warm.
• Nostalgic, especially about 90s and early 2000s New York hip-hop and street life.
• Unfiltered NYC language and a balance between sharp takes and playful self-awareness.
• Combination of deep rap geekery and absurd street lore—a “barbershop” energy.

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Final Thoughts

Episode 473 epitomizes the New Rory & MAL vibe: hip-hop history colliding with the realities of today’s music industry and society, all filtered through a lens of New York experience and street truth. Whether you care about classic albums, viral singles, or the real stories behind the streams, this episode delivers unvarnished opinions and memorable tales—sometimes hilarious, sometimes grim, always authentic.

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[Zip]

No worry enough. No conduct.

[Rory]

Welcome back. End of the week we are sponsored by Boost. This Saturday we have our pop up shop for our merch. Come through one to six.

[Mall]

Cafe Colmato. Yes, 86 Broome Street. Pull up on us.

[Rory]

We'll be there. Ryan has been practicing all week on his DJ set.

[Mall]

Yo Ryan, it's a lot of pressure on you Saturday. I've been telling everybody, I'm like, yo Ryan, this is his first gig.

[Rory]

It's not his first gig.

[Mall]

I mean in New York. It's his first gig in New York.

[Rory]

Okay, fair first gig that matters you.

[Mall]

I mean this is the only gig that matters. And they only put your first and your last first gig in New York City. So everybody's looking forward to your to your set. Not to put a lot. I want too much pressure on you. All right. I don't want to put too much pressure on you, but the playlist that you in was good. Oh, you sent us over. See, Zip gonna send you too much. It's gonna be 30 minutes of mob. I was about to say it's gonna be standing. It's gonna be.

[Rory]

They play cool G rap at that cafe anyways.

[Mall]

No, that's 100 Cafe Comado. They def a hip hop friendly establishment. So it won't be too far out the warehouse.

[Zip]

But we are joining shuffle on that playlist.

[Mall]

There's no skips on the playlist you sent them.

[Zip]

This is not a skip.

[Mall]

Send me the playlist that Zip sent you. Cause I don't know man. Cause Zip told me one day I forgot who album you said was a classic. And I looked at you like Mobb

[Zip]

Deep, the War Report.

[Mall]

No, it wasn't that one. I wouldn't give you too much flex.

[Zip]

You said get Rich and Dodge Ryan is not a classic. So there's that.

[Rory]

There's that does exist.

[Zip]

There's that.

[Mall]

All right, is it is a classic album. If it's two skips on the classic album, is that a classic album?

[Zip]

Is ready to die Classic album Yes, yes. It's two skips on here. I can skip them shits, right? I live for the funk. I die for the boop. Let me get that out of here. That's the immediate.

[Rory]

Not a skip to me at all. I was gonna say, like,

[Mall]

naza. Now you making it a thing. Like, this is the second time you win that big.

[Zip]

No, I'm just saying.

[Mall]

And they been hear me like, yo, but why he disrespecting. You know what? I'm.

[Zip]

So you wanted to pick something else.

[Mall]

You wanted something else. I'm just saying. But what is it about Big in particular?

[Zip]

Cause you go right to BIG because those are the classics. Like, we know the classics.

[Mall]

That's a fact. Okay, okay.

[Zip]

We know the classics. After a while, you gonna skip some shit on the classics is. What was the name of that shit?

[Mall]

I think Get Rich or Die Trying because of the impact.

[Zip]

All Eyes on Me. Is All Eyes On Me a classic?

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mall]

Yes. That's Pac's classic.

[Zip]

Is there not five skips on that album?

[Rory]

I don't know about five. I gotta go back, baby.

[Zip]

Let me give you a call. How much will it take to break you? If you really want it.

[Rory]

Please.

[Zip]

Come on, man.

[Mall]

But look, that's not it. But that's another one of the greats that we lost. Like, what is it with you going at the greats that we lost? That's no longer here. Like, people deem that to be like, come on, that's a little disrespectful. You can't go at the greats. That's not here.

[Zip]

So if I see an ugly ass Michelangelo painting and I say that's ugly, they gonna say, oh, y', all, you can't go out. The greats. He's no longer here.

[Mall]

But that's not our culture, though. A little different. That's not our culture. We talking about our culture, hip hop. Because you win that big, then Pac.

[Zip]

Yo, listen, man. I spend money on these. These ain't never spend money on me. I could say what the I want to say about you. I spend my money on this.

[Mall]

That's a fact. Five skips on All Eyes on Me. I got to go back and listen to it, though.

[Rory]

I'm looking. I don't know if this double CD,

[Zip]

definitely five skips on that in 2018.

[Mall]

But if it's a double, that came

[Zip]

out 30 years ago. 31 years ago. 30 years ago.

[Rory]

But you. You just said Machine Gun Funk is a skip, and that's crazy to me.

[Zip]

All I want is big booty Used to pack gats,

[Rory]

yo. Well, when I went to Big, Big's kids are opening up a restaurant. So I went to, like, the tasting for this, and when I walked in, I for. I was like, man, zip just called their father gay yesterday. I don't know if I should be

[Zip]

walking in this and you laughing like,

[Mall]

what's up with you, man?

[Zip]

I didn't call him gay. I just said he was the king of the gay raps. Just say nasty.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Zip]

Say mad nasty.

[Mall]

All right, I respect that.

[Zip]

Okay. I mean, you ain't. You. I ain't saying the right. Had nice Little.

[Mall]

But he just had some. Yeah, he had some bars that he said it was kind of, like, out of line. Yeah.

[Rory]

What you.

[Mall]

What you said? Why you. Why you. How you landed on that Big? That's all I understand, that I get.

[Zip]

But it's classics with skips. It skips on it. When that first come out, I think

[Mall]

if it's more than two, then it can't be. It could be a good. And that's the thing. I think people, why we just can't say, yo, that album's dope, but some

[Zip]

shit, it ain't time get caught up in them when they come out, oh, this is fire. We bumping this. We jacking it. And then five years later, it don't hit the same no more. Right. So it's not timeless. Like, like I always say, BIG Got the best rap album of all time. To me, Life After Death, I don't think nobody made a better album than that. Me, personally, I don't think nobody made a more complete album than Life After Death. I feel like that got every kind of song on it. It got fun. He got shit where he just bullshitting around play. Oh, hey, though he got every type of, like, every type of vibe is on that album.

[Mall]

So that to you, Life After Death will be the best hip hop album?

[Zip]

Yes.

[Mall]

I don't know if I share that sentiment with you, but that is one of my favorite albums, though. I don't know if it's what you

[Zip]

think is better than that.

[Rory]

Take care.

[Mall]

I think Reasonable Doubt is a better album than that, than Life After Death, top to bottom. Like, if you listen to Reasonable Doubt today, there's no skips on there.

[Rory]

I don't think there's any skips on Life After Death today.

[Mall]

Yeah, but.

[Rory]

Which is crazy. It's a double dish.

[Mall]

But, I mean, the music is better on Reasonable Doubt.

[Zip]

I think the music is better on Life After Death. I think it's way better production on Life After Death than Reasonable Down.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah. The production is definitely better. Reasonable. Great production.

[Zip]

Don't.

[Rory]

Don't get it. Yeah, but I'm not way better. Beats Life After Death Beat selection, is it. You could make a case. It's like the best produced hip hop album until you get to some Kanye shit. But Life After Death has the best beats out of them. Joe's beats is crazy.

[Zip]

Out of them two albums, for sure. You know what I'm saying? And I, like, I came outside to them shits like that Reasonable Doubt. Like, I was really hustling to that shit. I knew that. I knew what he was saying. A lot of that shit was flying over my head then. But I understand that you can listen to that shit right now and hear some shit and be like, heard that shit 30 years ago, bro.

[Mall]

Reasonable Doubt.

[Zip]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Mall]

I mean, that's why, you know, with Jay doing the shows at Yankee Stadium, you know, I'm laughing, looking at everybody on the Internet that's like, in their, you know, early 30s, late 20s, and they raving about this, and I'm just like, y' all don't even. Y' all niggas wasn't even. Y' all was either just born or, you know what I'm saying, like, was three years old when that album came out. But to see people 30 years later still, like, so much excitement and energy around the idea that Jay is doing a show based on that album, I think it's dope. But it's just funny to see, like, younger cats, like, really raving and going crazy to get tickets for it.

[Rory]

How gave you ages? Cause I was six years old when Reasonable Doubt came out. But, no, I don't know what the experience of walking outside when Reasonable Doubt was going on, but even that was. It wasn't, like, a big release. Ain't no ten of y' all that experienced that.

[Zip]

Nah, ain't no.

[Rory]

We all went back to Reasonable Doubt.

[Zip]

Ain't no had any going on. That shit went gold, bro. Going gold in 96 was a big deal. Reasonable Doubt went gold, bro. Like, people try to take that away from hov. Like, yo, it ain't really doing it because it ain't go Platinum in 96. Platinum wasn't the standard. Gold was the standard, and that shit went gold, and then he re released it, and it went platinum two or three years later.

[Rory]

How long did it take to go gold, though?

[Zip]

Probably the allotted amount of time that it used to take them shits to go go. Cause I'm sure he got the checks for that Shit.

[Rory]

I think it sold like 27,000 first week, which isn't bad, but, like, I mean, it was independent, like he was still.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Back then. It was written sold the first week back then.

[Rory]

That might have went gold the first week. Because Nas. I don't think it went gold first week. A star at that point.

[Zip]

Nas was a star. But I'm saying I don't think it went gold the first week. I mean, because those are the three. To me, those are the three big albums that came out that year.

[Rory]

A song with all out.

[Zip]

Yeah. All Eyes on Me. It was written in Reasonable Doubt. Those are the three. Hell on Earth came out that year, too.

[Mall]

Reasonable Doubt went gold in three months.

[Rory]

That's crazy.

[Zip]

Yeah, that's a lot of time.

[Rory]

I'm not here to get your check.

[Zip]

That used to get you your check right there.

[Rory]

I'm just saying that it was like Jay Z wasn't a star at that point. I've had heard out of his own mouth in interviews where he was like, I would go to the grocery store. Like, no one knew who the fuck I was when Reasonable Doubt came up.

[Mall]

But it was different back then.

[Zip]

43,000 first week on the debut in 96. They buying physical copies of this shit. And like you said, nobody know who he is. That's fire. Oh, no.

[Rory]

I think it's incredible. I'm not.

[Zip]

I'm saying he had Incredible. Ain't no was rocking for like a whole year before the album came out. Yeah,

[Rory]

Professor.

[Zip]

Yeah, him and Foxy. That shit was rocking.

[Mall]

That's when. That's when. That's when. That's how they used to break artists was on the soundtrack.

[Zip]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, the first time you would hear a lot of artists would be on the soundtrack from a movie. It's like, oh, who's that? And then you go and look and be like, okay. And then eventually the label be like, okay, that song caught. Now let's start working this artist because obviously this is people's favorite song off the soundtrack. And like that.

[Zip]

My favorite pot is on the soundtrack.

[Mall]

Which one?

[Zip]

Above. Above the Rim. There's so much pain.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's probably a top. It's a top 10.

[Zip]

They never take me alive I'm getting high with my 45 cockpit on a ride that's my favorite park.

[Mall]

But that's a classic soundtrack. Above the room above the Rim was hard.

[Zip]

Death Row did Sug did that.

[Mall]

Above the Room was a classic soundtrack. That's what I think. That's what's missing. We need moments like that. Like to attach songs, like, specifically to

[Zip]

movies where it's like, these niggas just punching in, homie. They ain't writing rhymes no more. It's never gonna be like that no more, bro.

[Rory]

I mean, they kind of. They try to do it sometimes. Like, Black Panther. Kendrick did that. That soundtrack, I think Cole did. I was at the writing session. I forgot what movie that was. Dreamville did a whole movie sound. They've been trying. There's not, like, songs anymore, though. It's just full projects that they try to put with.

[Zip]

You see these albums that we talk about, like, the classics and shit like that. These albums sat with us for mad long before we got other music, bro.

[Rory]

Yeah, of course. Yeah.

[Mall]

We get music way too fast.

[Zip]

It's too much shit coming. It's too much. It's too much music coming down the pipeline. Pause, like, we get too much music for that shit, bro.

[Mall]

But it's the same thing, even with. It's funny. I saw somebody on Instagram video, he said, you all remember when you would only see maybe eight bad women in your life? Like, only eight.

[Zip]

It would be the block, the girl, bad bitches.

[Mall]

Soon as you press scroll, it's like,

[Zip]

yo, homie, I told my man that shit. I said, yo, son. Back in the day, son. It was 10 bad broads out here, bro. It was 10 bad bras out here, bro.

[Mall]

That's it. Just 10. 10 bad bros. You would only see 10, bro.

[Zip]

There's so many bad bitches in the world. I don't. That wasn't supposed to know it was that many of them.

[Mall]

Yeah. No, at all.

[Zip]

Because now it's like, how. How can I, like, commit to this right here? Like, come on.

[Mall]

Why would I see way better than. Right? Why would I see.

[Zip]

I saw some. I don't know if she's better than you. Like, yeah, spiritually and mentally, but physically, she's better. It's a lot of them.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Every day I see them. Yeah. Oh, they got filters on. I saw you with filters on, too. Yeah.

[Mall]

I fell for you with the filters.

[Zip]

Is you talking about, oh, she got makeup and filter on you. You'll be doing that, too.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So I know you look different. I don't know if she looks different, but I want to find out.

[Zip]

Yeah, right? Yeah.

[Mall]

I think it's just too much. It's just too much. Way too much pick and choose from the bro.

[Zip]

For the broads, too, though, because they ain't used to know it was all of these jinking in the world. They see you in the Hood, you doing your thing.

[Mall]

But even use a ticket.

[Zip]

Yeah, you doing your thing. Use a ticket out the hood.

[Mall]

So she gets.

[Zip]

Now it's like they don't even speak in the street, son. Girls don't speak in the street, son. They won't. They act like. But get on the Internet and put their whole ass on the Internet. Don't both say one word in the street.

[Mall]

But, you know, but, but, but, but me and Rory talk about that like you can't even. You almost can't even approach women and say hello no more.

[Zip]

No, it's better to just give them your phone in the Instagram spot to search. It'd be better off to just pass your phone like that.

[Mall]

That's your business card.

[Zip]

Don't say nothing.

[Mall]

Yeah, just get quiet.

[Zip]

Yeah, she just put her in and

[Mall]

then y' all start DMing her.

[Zip]

And then the hit follow for you and all that. I ain't asked you to do all that. Now I'm saying like, yeah, hit following all that. Like, I ain't actually doing that. Yeah, but it's better to just do that.

[Rory]

Trust in a girl. If I don't say a word and just hand her my phone with the search, I'm there and she do it.

[Mall]

I've seen.

[Rory]

That's a red flag.

[Zip]

That's what you gotta do.

[Mall]

I've seen it, though. I've seen it. I've seen it happen.

[Zip]

That's how I go, homie. I'm dead ass. That's how I go.

[Rory]

But to your point with that, the same with the women. The ability and access women have to millionaires at the height is so crazy. Like a girl. Like the same way we would. You'd only see the 10 chicks that was there. She probably see one rich guy her whole life.

[Zip]

One that's really running it up.

[Mall]

And then not even like super rich, 50 millionaires. But it was like he wasn't even like super rich. It's that he owned the corner store.

[Zip]

Then he was standing in front of the corner store with a big chain, take it out the hood like this. He ain't own. He had an Audi. I'm saying he had an Audi, a

[Mall]

GS, a nice little condo and that chain, a watch. That was it. She gone.

[Zip]

She think, oh, yeah, he's the richest in the hood.

[Mall]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Zip]

But now she put her phone on, she see these everywhere. The country, they got all the diamonds, the Cali. They looking like they stacking all of the money. The athlete, the actors. The athlete is telling bros they whole name.

[Mall]

Yeah, why not? They know what they. Cause they know what they're gonna do.

[Zip]

Google Daddy Media.

[Mall]

Yeah. 100 he just signed for wood. 5 years.

[Zip]

288 they saying they whole name you stand no chance. 5 years to a stand no chance. Regular stand no chance. Them giving their whole name out. Shane Gildrich.

[Rory]

We thought the rich athletes were the final boss. We have to compete with like Saudi princes. They regular chicks from your neighborhood.

[Zip]

This is what I'm saying. Yo homie, do you know how they say the world is big? That is the size of your phone, homie. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

The world ain't big.

[Zip]

That is the size of your phone, homie. That is small as you. You can see all the bros in Brazil if you want. Everywhere. You could go wherever you want to go on that phone, bro.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah. So that's what I'm saying. Even with music and art and shit that we consume, it's like. It's just too much. Yeah, it's tough because by the time I'm really settling in with this album and this artist, Thursday comes around again Thursday night, and we got a whole new batch coming in of new music and things like that sometimes a lot of this.

[Zip]

You talking about label artists though. I'm saying every day somebody is putting some shit out.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Even with the DSPs.

[Zip]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

That's what I'm saying. Cause anybody could upload, right? The dude that just. That work in the pizza shop, he could upload, right?

[Zip]

You hear some shit, nigga, you. You vibing or some shit, you scroll another, put a freestyle up, you know, who the fuck is this? Click on his shit. Now you over here, you forgot about the other person you was listening to. It's over.

[Mall]

But it's. But it's also. But it's also advantageous too though, because now it's easier, you know, like if you go viral. Like if a kid from a random city puts out a record and you know it takes off and you know, he's never been to la, he's never been to New York, he's never been to Chicago, Miami. He's never been outside of his hood. But he did a freestyle in his homeboy's basement, uploaded it to Instagram. It goes viral, everybody starts sharing it. You get real rappers and successful artists underneath the post, you know, commenting and things like that.

[Rory]

So it's an incurs.

[Mall]

The access.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

So it goes both ways. The access, it's a gift and a curse.

[Rory]

We got AI now and I feel like AI needs to come up with some type of program For Spotify that it has to run through when you upload. And it can say like, nah, we're not wasting data as far as the

[Mall]

song is good enough.

[Rory]

If it's trash. I don't think your man at the pizza shop should have that. The ability to just upload his song at any point. Like, we're wasting a lot of.

[Zip]

But if they check.

[Rory]

But it's a whole bottle of water to create a snare with AI right now. But we wasting water on people's broken dreams.

[Zip]

But what if I say, yo, I'm going to go back and I'm going to look at a bunch of songs that did good throughout history to hold

[Mall]

it to that level? Yeah.

[Zip]

So now is you great. That soldier boy. You crank that song. What happen? Does that happen?

[Rory]

Here's the thing.

[Zip]

Whole bunch of now. But it.

[Rory]

It should have not passed the AI test uploaded. But it's a legendary AI past data,

[Zip]

though, if it's going off of past data. All right. Songs that did good. If it don't we think about songs that did good. If it do that, it might start letting mad come through. Like, no, this did good.

[Rory]

Well, it's letting anything now. Anyone could upload.

[Mall]

Yeah. But it's still. You still have to break through, though. There's still a certain level that the music has to be at in order for it to really break through. Like, we'll sit here and talk about shit that goes viral and debate whether or not, like, this is an artist that has longevity and have fun with it. But we know the ones that's like, bro, he just caught a moment. Or she just caught a moment. Like, this ain't gonna be around for two years or even a year. Like, I think we still can feel if an artist has that type of talent level where they're gonna sustain that.

[Zip]

That nigga from Queensbridge be going viral all the time.

[Mall]

Who?

[Zip]

They ain't twerking with your friends.

[Rory]

Where he's doing twerk music.

[Zip]

That's that man. What's his name, bro?

[Mall]

Tal.

[Rory]

Is it good?

[Mall]

Is he a streamer?

[Zip]

You mean Zetty?

[Mall]

Will Zetty, I must say. Tyler was a streamer, Will.

[Zip]

Now you in the club working with your friends, twerking with your friends.

[Mall]

I think I heard that he.

[Zip]

He did every trip viral. Every trip. He be wilding on Tick Tock with that, bro.

[Rory]

Hey, like, he's beyond Vernon doing that.

[Zip]

I don't know where he be. Like, he'd just be lit. He lit like he's not knowing his is not regular. Like, he's got.

[Rory]

I'm not here.

[Mall]

1 million followers on Instagram.

[Rory]

I love that. I'm here for. Oh, fans.

[Zip]

And he's lit.

[Rory]

Listen, sometimes I'm out of touch. You never heard that song and didn't even know.

[Mall]

I think I heard that song. I definitely heard that song.

[Rory]

All right, but you think he'll have like a follow up? Actually, I have seen this shit before.

[Mall]

The two of them.

[Rory]

And he's the one that's on the mic now, right?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Queensbridge, it's all the dogskin, kid.

[Rory]

I've seen this on the radar shit before. But you think he'll have like a follow up? Or is it one of those moments?

[Zip]

Yeah. Cause he got some more shits. He got like, he got like. He gotta have at least three viral songs.

[Rory]

But I mean, even that becomes like artists and songs have just become like products in a way. Like, remember them little widget things that spun like, it's just a trend for the second and it moves on to the next, the next drinks.

[Zip]

Can't put an album out.

[Rory]

Why would they. If you. If you don't have to have just viral songs and just go song to song, like damn near what, and run

[Zip]

it up off of every song.

[Rory]

Why would you even bother doing an album?

[Mall]

Yeah. At this point?

[Rory]

And also you gotta like dedicate so much time because you, you wouldn't be a musician if it wasn't for this. To that one song and all the marketing around it. You can't do that with 20 fucking songs. You're not that talented or have that much time.

[Mall]

Right.

[Rory]

I'm never mad at the kids that are just trying to go viral for each song. Just stay out of the album lane. It's kind of pointless. Like, I get it, you just want to make bread, get it how you live. But an album microwave for what?

[Zip]

Shit is a microwave society.

[Rory]

But some music is meant for that.

[Mall]

Yeah, I think it's a lane for that. I think it's a lane for, you know, just the viral artist, the viral, you know, guy or the viral girl that just every now and then they'll put a record out and, you know, there'll be some success. But we can't look at them with the same lens of a Jay Z or Nas. Oh, nah, we can't look at that shit is over.

[Zip]

They punching in, bro. Even the niggas who we say got balls, they going in the booth, they giving six balls. They tell, they hold on, hold on, hold on. Wait right there. They think about it. Go out, smoke some weed, drink Some nigga, they go back in there, I got six more, you know what I'm saying? They chill for a while. That shit is. That's why I feel like that's why the music ain't. Ain't lasting. I watched that shit myself as a nigga that I went to the stool with these niggas. I see these niggas in the stool punching in. To me, that shit is mad corny. As a rap nigga. Like reading off your phone, freestyling, you mad corny, you know what I'm saying? In the booth, punching in, that shit is mad corny. I don't care who you is, and I don't care who, like who. I don't care who say, oh, I did that. Oh, such and such used to do that. I don't care. That's corny. Know your raps, go in there, spit your raps, and get up out of there. That's how you gonna be able to freak the beat, homie. You ain't gonna be able to freak that beat not knowing your raps, reading it off your phone. This shit is mad monotone. You reading it off your phone. You don't know that.

[Mall]

Yeah, I mean, there are some artists that still write pen to paper, and we'll read the paper. But I do understand what you're saying. Where you need to live with the music and the beat and your lyrics so that it becomes natural when rapping and it don't feel so, like, very, like, right. Right on top of the beat. It has to feel like it's in the music.

[Zip]

You had this be in your crib for a month. You've been in your bathroom, in the shower with this. So now when it's.

[Mall]

When you in the booth with it, you styling.

[Zip]

Use an instrument on the beat.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Zip]

That's what you're doing to the beat. But these don't got that. These going to the studio. They'll find a beat. You'll find a beat. All right. Boom. Yo, y' all like that? We like that. I write the rhyme. They type it around the phone.

[Mall]

We like that.

[Zip]

Yeah, they type the rhyme on the phone, then they go on the BO booth and do that. That's corny rap.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Zip]

I don't care who it is. That's corny rap, bro.

[Rory]

You can tell when someone's just reading.

[Zip]

That's why nobody know these rhymes. That's why you can hear these and be like, yeah, that was fire. But you don't know that rhyme. He didn't know that rhyme, homie. How you gonna know?

[Mall]

Right, Right.

[Zip]

He didn't know that rhyme.

[Mall]

Yeah, no, I feel you. That definitely makes sense.

[Zip]

That's what happened. That's. They should have kept the studio prices mad high. That hurt the rap game.

[Rory]

So I'm trying to find an AI

[Zip]

program to the studio back in the days. That expensive. What? I ain't got that. Yeah, whatever it was, I don't care. I never had money for the studio. Never in my life.

[Mall]

Accessibility.

[Zip]

Yes, I never. But once I came home and that was. Tell you, like, yo, $40 an hour. What?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Are we in here all day?

[Rory]

That's a good point, cuz. Then you, yeah, you're just chilling. Whereas when you had 500 bucks, you could be in there for. For hours. You taking the whole week at home.

[Zip]

You know your. You a. Yo, we gonna do seven joint. We. You mean watch?

[Rory]

You mean. I've been rapping this for two years.

[Zip]

Yeah, I know these rhymes. You put the beat on, gonna make no mistakes. One take this. I'm like, oh, this nigga's ill. Load the next one up.

[Rory]

You mean we on a time crunch?

[Zip]

Yeah. 500 hour.

[Mall]

That's done. Load.

[Zip]

Load the next one up. Is you talking about 500 hour? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

You can't go in there.

[Zip]

That's what happened. You couldn't go in there.

[Mall]

But now play for two hours.

[Zip]

That was four. You can put any one of your

[Mall]

mans in there that looks.

[Rory]

Experiment.

[Zip]

120. Get this. 120. Yo, get these off the corner. Man in there saying anything? Just going to say anything now.

[Mall]

No, that's 100%.

[Zip]

That's how. That's what's going on with the game.

[Rory]

They put mattresses in quad. People just sleeping there.

[Zip]

Yo, I went to quads and I didn't understand it, but I ain't gonna lie. Buster was acting up.

[Rory]

Busta's probably there right now.

[Zip]

I don't even want to get into that. I did a joint, right? Like, yeah, I did a joint. I don't know, but I don't know. Buster is top floor quad.

[Rory]

It's his.

[Zip]

I don't notice.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Zip]

All I know is I'm going to quad. I just fresh out of jail now. I'm saying I'm going to call to do some.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Zip]

So one of my man's out of nowhere. He like, yo, Busta Rhymes used to be this favorite rapper back in the days. I was like, get the out of here. But yo, put that. What's the name beat on. Put your hands on my eyes. Casino and Put that beat on. I'm going in there. I got some for that.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Zip]

So I go, I got some dope for that. Talking about selling dope and all that. I go in there, I spit that.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Zip]

So now the Fonz that be with Busta Rhymes. Fonz figures he in the studio. I was up north with this for like, oh, so he's sitting there. He in the video. You know how you be in the studio? Spin your be filming. He's sitting and he doing that shit. When we come out, Buster Deal. Looked at this. You know, I'm kind of drunk now. Is you doing like. You looking like you mad at. Just like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So my man tell him like, yo, take a picture. He was like, nah. I'm saying. I was like, yo, man, this. What the you mean you don't take no picture? I don't take pictures with, like, you.

[Mall]

Like, why he would have took a picture with you?

[Zip]

I don't know.

[Mall]

He was mad you was rapping on his beat?

[Zip]

I think so. I think he was mad I was rapping on that beat, and I was smoking that shit. Like, I was really smoking a beat. And I swear to God, that was standing there. He was like, no, no pictures. I was like, yo, man, this man. My man was like, yo, chill, yo. He was like, yo, my man just did 20 years. He was like, you're welcome home. I was like, all of that welcome home, chick. You know what I'm saying? He was like, yo, hopefully you stay here. I was like, yo, inshallah. He hit me with the. No. Inshallah. No, Inshallah. Inshallah. I'm out. I'm getting out of here. Let me get out of here. Ain't no God here said no Inshallah. That's when Pac got shot. Y. Get me out of here, Buster.

[Rory]

A song called the the Founder of the Nation of Islam. He has a song with the full name Yo Son.

[Zip]

No insh. I've never heard that before in my life. Yo, my man. Yo, one of my man was like, yo, Sean. He was like, yo, yeah, yeah. It's like my older. He said, yo, that said, no, he's not lost.

[Mall]

Yeah. Now God don't live here.

[Zip]

God ain't in the world. Get me the out of here, man. Yes.

[Mall]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

That's funny.

[Zip]

And he said, no, Inshallah.

[Mall]

I've never heard that before. That's crazy.

[Rory]

I don't know if y' all saw what Joey Badass says. It's kind of what you talk about. He he tweeted out. So think about it. If somebody at the top gave somebody coming up an opportunity to come after them on a record, you know what would happen? They would get their food ate, rent is due, bills to pay, expedients, whatever. He's saying public perception of who's the best would be drastically different if this were a regular occurrence. This is exactly why you didn't see JID on the fall off. He would have overstood the assignment. To me personally, it makes no sense. He wasn't on it. But maybe that's just me. He's saying that a lot of bigger rappers like in your situation of being in the studio with Bus and you saying like, oh, you probably hate this because I'm smoking your.

[Zip]

But I don't feel like that's the case all of the time. You know what I'm saying? Like you got to stay exclusive. We see what's happening to these when they losing their exclusivity. That's a word.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Zip]

They losing that with this Internet. So we don't like it's like before you used to hear these is read about these once every two years in the xxl. Maybe he coming to Saul boss that same year if he got a rollout going. But we don't know these really. We know they're giving me this much quotes from the and then the. The the that's doing the article. We hearing from them. We don't know these back in the days. Now we know everything. You be on the Internet too much. We know everything about you. Call you a corny that could rap. We said you are a corny that most of these, right? So with Joey talking about he acting like all these new or would be smoking these old. You get on the track with Kiss, you not smoking. Kiss, you not smoking. Fab, you not smoking. Jay, you might smoke some of these, but you're not just gonna be smoking, right? I remember Vato was doing this big one. Almost every song he was on with can he was going off. I was saying Vato was trash. Cause him up on Hot 97 My is you from New York City ain't I don't want to go platinum more than I want to go to flex and get busy.

[Mall]

Right?

[Zip]

As a rap from New York.

[Mall]

It's a different. Yeah, it's a different standard.

[Zip]

You understand? I want to go up there and have this play this for the next 10, 15 years. Like on one of his good nights. Here come my like platinum. And I'm saying like that's what that's like. And every New York like that. And you was up there up back to back to back. Like, he was up there up. So I used to think the was trash. So I'm telling the. That one time on the gate. I'm telling that to the. To the Mac baller. He like, you bugging that had all of the mixtapes with Cam and bottle.

[Mall]

Yeah, guns. It was a Guns and butter.

[Zip]

Guns and butter. Yeah, yeah, yeah, son. I had that on the keyboard blasting that. So I'm like this little going off on everything.

[Mall]

Yeah, he's n like that, yo.

[Zip]

He was going off on every. I'm talking about every song. I'm like, yo, this is wilding.

[Mall]

I feel like Vato is one of the most underrated rappers I've seen that I met.

[Zip]

When I met that nigga, I told that nigga. I said, I ain't gonna lie, homie. I gotta tell you this, man. I feel like you one of them ones, homie.

[Mall]

I always felt like that. I always felt like.

[Zip]

I feel like if he could make

[Mall]

a better hook songs.

[Zip]

Yeah, if he could make better songs.

[Mall]

Rapping bars.

[Zip]

Bar for ball. Not a lot of N from New York and Harlem be top three.

[Mall]

He stalling on you. He got bars, like. But a lot of the guys that love Vato will say, like, they just wish he would make better songs. But rapping, a lot of these niggas can't rap about.

[Rory]

But that's why I don't. I would love to have Vato up here to ask him about the Khaled situation. Cause it was weird with him and Cam at the time. And I'm with y'.

[Zip]

All.

[Rory]

Vato was just smoking verses, but there was no real record yet. When he signed with Khaled, I was like, oh, that's the perfect.

[Zip]

And then they had ma.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, I was like, all right. Khaled. Get him to a place where he already had one.

[Zip]

I don't know what happened.

[Rory]

Khaled will gift him a bunch of hit records, and Botto just has to fill in the pieces.

[Zip]

That he wasn't doing that shit, though,

[Rory]

which is kind of craz. I really think Khaled dropped the ball with the box.

[Zip]

I think he was thinking, like, he was on backfield saying, like, I wasn't really giving him. Know what I'm saying?

[Mall]

Yeah. But as far as skills, like, V is one of the best in New York for sure when it comes to rapping ball. Absolutely.

[Rory]

But, I mean, do you. I don't really agree with Joey on this entire thing. Because I shit even how Cole, not Cole got on. But a big moment for Cole early in his career was when Kanye was doing the good, good Music Friday. Like, Good Friday. He put out a record every Friday. Yeah, he put Cole at the end of Looking for Trouble was the name of the record. And he just left. Left the end for Cole to smoke a 32 and completely stood out and killed everybody. Every time I've. I've seen Jay bring State Property up to Flex. Jay rapped. He wasn't like, I. I just don't believe that.

[Zip]

So niggas don't always kill a. Like, you always like, like, I like. In my opinion, Jay got busier than Big on Brooklyn's finest. I think Big got him back on the next one. We was talking about the.

[Rory]

Jesus, I love the dope.

[Zip]

These classes ice project off like flashes. But I feel like he got him back. And I'm saying, but he had to cause this. You know what I'm saying? Like, he got. He got wreck on that. But normally don't really wild out. Like, when you put them on, they don't really who wowed out on the. That put them on.

[Mall]

And my thing with Joey is saying is this too, though. Yeah, you can be hungry, right? So if the top dog is giving one of the young pups a look like, all right, come on, you gonna get on this joint. You could be hungry for like. But then it's also the side where you find out there's a big gap difference. When the talent level.

[Zip]

I know Pop, you can't stand it. Cause we cocked the man was running your crib. No prisoners.

[Rory]

Pop your grimmer.

[Zip]

That shit made niggas understand Jay was a few notches above niggas, right? And I feel like everybody got busy on that song. Let's for sure.

[Mall]

But.

[Zip]

But when you find out talking it was like, what the fuck you find

[Mall]

out that it's still a. It's still a. It's still a gap. It's like your best is good if you talking to somebody else other than me.

[Zip]

I said, that's the nicest nigga. Me personally, I like Kiss and Fab more than Jay.

[Rory]

Sorry to hear that.

[Mall]

You like Fab more than Jay Z?

[Zip]

Yes. But if you gonna ask me who's the greatest mc, Jay Z. Jay Z is Muhammad Ali.

[Mall]

But you talking about what you like personally.

[Zip]

My I like the nicest to me is Kiss and Fat them is nicer than you. I don't care who you are. They could rap better than you. You know what I'm saying they could rap better than you, bro. I'm saying better than Jay Z. Yeah. Okay, now I'm saying yeah. And I'm saying last time you heard Jay Z. I ain't heard Jay Z spit no nice shit in 10 years. It been 10 years.

[Rory]

He did the God did verse is insane.

[Mall]

You tripping.

[Zip]

When the last time you heard Whole Fire God did.

[Mall]

I feel like even. But that's what I'm saying.

[Zip]

One verse. We give a nigga one verse.

[Mall]

But how many verses he really. I mean, even on 444 verses. Yeah, that album is crazy.

[Zip]

10 years.

[Rory]

He got crazy verses on everything. His love.

[Zip]

444 is 10 years ago.

[Rory]

Wait, written testimony was five years ago. He has crazy verses on written testimony. Crazy verses.

[Mall]

No, written testimony might have been more than five years ago.

[Rory]

We just did the vinyl press for five year anniversary. It was Covid, so it'll be now six years. Okay, but last year was a five year anniversary. I ain't got crazy verse on that.

[Zip]

I'm not saying HOV can't go in the booth and act bad. I'm not saying he can't do that. Right. But I'm saying I've heard way more fab and way more kiss in the last 10 years. Way more. And I started hearing all y' all around the same time. This is what I'm saying. I heard all that. I started hearing all y' all niggas around the same time. But I've been hearing these niggas way more for these last 10 years.

[Rory]

I mean, Kiss has been more active. The last. The last time I felt Fab was really, really in shape was the Freddy versus Jason kissing summertime shootouts. Was there a summertime shoot after that? Fab hasn't been as active as I

[Zip]

think you think shootout three is 2020. Right.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

Yeah, that was around Covid.

[Rory]

Okay. Yeah, you're right. Yeah.

[Zip]

You know what I'm saying? I remember.

[Rory]

Yeah. No, no, that. That tape is fire. Yeah, but I'm still in no way co signing that. I take Fab is. I think the whole God did verse could compete with the some Shootout three. Like, as far as rapping goes, you got to go back and listen to that God did verse that is. Is unreal

[Mall]

sometimes. Shootout 3 came out before COVID It's 2019.

[Announcer]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Right before it.

[Mall]

So, yeah, that's seven years ago.

[Rory]

That's an underrated tape, though.

[Mall]

That's right for co. No, Fab is one of my favorite.

[Zip]

COVID 19 started right there.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's A fact.

[Zip]

Yeah.

[Mall]

No, Fab is. Fab, to me, is one of the. He's one of the underrated ones, too, though.

[Zip]

That's my take. He's in my top five.

[Mall]

Yeah. I don't think people talk about Fab and respect Fab as much as they should, but he's. To me, he's definitely. But I don't think he's a better rapper.

[Zip]

My preference, I don't like.

[Mall]

That's what's up. Once you say that. I respect that.

[Zip]

All right. So, look, Fab albums ain't all that to me. I don't really fuck with fab albums like that. The Soul tapes, the Young OG Freddy

[Mall]

versus Jason was hard.

[Zip]

Freddy versus Jason, Summertime Shootouts. That's the.

[Mall]

That's the fabulous.

[Zip]

The core. Like, if you gonna give me some fat, give me that Fab. The Funeral Fabs and all that. I can miss me with them shits. I'm good with.

[Mall]

It was some on Funeral.

[Zip]

Yeah, but I'm. But that's not who I'm talking about, okay? I'm talking about the soul tape shootout like, you know what I'm saying? Like, Jason, Young OG Young OG Fab. That's. That nigga's ill.

[Mall]

I think that's probably one of his best. That's probably his best project.

[Zip]

Young OG Freddie Versus. You think that's his best album?

[Mall]

It's up there for me. Yeah. For me, it's up there.

[Zip]

He got platinum albums, though, yo.

[Mall]

No, for sure. He got. He had big records. Big, big records. So. So, yeah, but I'm saying, like, that I could really go back to. And that I, like, listen to him, like, he was getting going crazy on this Young OG I think it's overlooked in Fab's discography. I don't think people talk about that album.

[Zip]

Current Situation. All situation.

[Mall]

Yeah, it's some shit on the.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah. Maybe Real Talk or Young OG Now I'm looking at catalog.

[Mall]

Yeah, Real Talk.

[Zip]

That. That's the. With all of the features. That can't be the best one.

[Rory]

I. Listen, I was 14 when that came out. It just. It's a different. It's a nostalgic for me with. With Real Talk.

[Zip]

So what year was that?

[Rory]

2004.

[Zip]

That's not. That's not.

[Rory]

There's a ton of features on this, though.

[Zip]

You are.

[Rory]

You are, right. I ForGot. How many.

[Zip]

Four is his second album, right?

[Rory]

No, it was his third because it was ghetto fabulous. 01, Street Dreams, 2003, Real Talk, 2004,

[Zip]

all of them went platinum right there Right?

[Rory]

Yeah. I mean, I'm sure he went platinum

[Zip]

on 911,

[Rory]

which is crazy.

[Zip]

He dropped 911 and went platinum on the debut

[Rory]

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[Rory]

Yeah, but so Joey I guess explained himself further in in that tweet. Maul, you know my eyes are bad if you want to read that.

[Mall]

All right, what do you say? He said My sentiment is this type of thing happens all the time. This is just a recent example that I think think is clear. By the way, the topic was about sparring and hip hop regarding the whole interview, this is not. This is not just about J. Cole. This is about lyrical rap as a sub genre. Period. My sentiment is that there's a scarcity mindset in the sub genre and usually the top guys don't invite other hungry spitters onto their own tracks. Let me give Cole his flowers real quick, just to be clear, because I love the album and I've always loved him as an MC and person. But I stand on what I'm saying. The evidence is there. There's a difference between doing features for and featuring on your own work and for the record. If wholeheartedly thought Jed didn't fit on the fall off, that's your opinion. But he's also not featured on any other J. Cole album. Didn't J. Cole just say hip hop was dead Jid? If hip hop was dead, Jid would be platinum on a throwaway mixtape, by the way, but then not feature him at all on the mixtape or the album when either or would have made sense. All I'm saying is notice the trend in this specific sub genre.

[Rory]

I mean, I get that.

[Mall]

I understand that.

[Zip]

I get that.

[Rory]

Dave Rap, all right, I know.

[Zip]

I understand what he's saying.

[Mall]

Why do we think Jid wasn't on the mixtape or the album though? Do we think it's because maybe he

[Zip]

don't fuck with the nigga like that?

[Rory]

No, because they've wrapped together and on on top of that, Dreamville as a label has put out so many group projects that Cole has anchored that has let Jid Sean, granted, I'm with you that it would be cool to have Jid on an actual J. Cole album but one, he's stingy with features to begin with. Two, not every single artist has the same mindset as Jay Z. Where if I got you signed, you're gonna be on my album to the point. Like Memphis Bleak on your album, I'm gonna give you a whole song called Dear Summer. Like he. I think Jay just has a different mind state with the people he signs. It's a business one. Cole, I think has an artistic one.

[Mall]

He signed Oskino.

[Zip]

Never put Oskino on there.

[Mall]

I understand what Rory is saying, but Rory, where I'm gonna give you a little bit of pushback before you finish your point. Jid was just Grammy nominated.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

You have an artist that's Grammy nominated currently. You put out a mixtape before your most anticipated album. Him, he can't get a look on nothing.

[Zip]

All he's doing him like Jay did him.

[Mall]

I'm not. Yes, J, I D. I'm not saying Jid needs it.

[Zip]

No, I'm saying.

[Mall]

I'm saying it would be a good.

[Zip]

Cole is doing the same thing Jay Z did to him.

[Rory]

He gave him. I mean.

[Mall]

What you mean?

[Rory]

Cole picked the wrong song.

[Zip]

Jay was giving. Jay was giving Cole features back then. Yeah.

[Rory]

His first, his first album. Hovs featured on it. Mr. Nice watch. The song stinks. But.

[Zip]

Yeah, but Hov is on J. Cole I album. Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

His first album.

[Mall]

Whole album Stars Born.

[Zip]

Right.

[Rory]

Which. Which he gave him a. A, A platform to. To rap.

[Mall]

But I'm saying Grammy nominated right now, when this album is coming out, he

[Zip]

not on your album.

[Mall]

And that's your artist.

[Zip]

Maybe he don't like him. Maybe they ain't cool.

[Rory]

All right, man, he just said on the mixtape that maybe because Jid should be platinum of his talent level, like he shadowed him out on that record. But also where I will give pushback is Cole has explained this as a concept album of being 29, driving to Fayetteville. Then it's 20 whatever agency picked. Where does Jid fit in that story? Like I could get Future to sing a hook that makes sense with Big

[Zip]

and Pac fitted in that story, which. Huh? We're Big and Pac fitted in that story. This is what I'm saying. I can't sell.

[Rory]

I know she would have left that chapter out.

[Zip]

Big and Pac fit in that 29 year old. You did not know Big and Pop.

[Rory]

You know what? I'm humble enough to say. Yeah, you got me. They called me a hater. You write the definition.

[Zip]

You can't try to say, oh my, yo, yo, my man, yo. We was Doing this, he ain't fit. How the big and POC fit in that scenario then? How. How they fit?

[Rory]

Cuz that's what he. That's what he was thinking when he was driving, right?

[Zip]

Not yo, I'mma sign a get filthy rich off of this. I'm saying if every rich in your click, you're click ruggy. Yeah, you ain't thinking that.

[Rory]

But I don't like that because Cole like what what he does with the Revenge of the the dreamers projects like or even at that camp that they did in that campaign where they had everyone in Atlanta like they definitely push their artists the best they can. I actually think it's whack when a label entire game plan is oh, I'll just do a feature for you. That's where the be failing. Anytime a rapper gets big and starts to sign people, a lot of them have the stupid mindset of all I have to do is just be a feature on their and they'll pop instead of trying to develop them and do what. What Dreamville has done with you. But if you already one verse is not gonna.

[Zip]

But this is what I'm saying. If you already did the develop the artist development with the and you say he's Grammy nominated, homie, I'm getting on this song, bro. You was getting on this song. It ain't like three songs pick.

[Mall]

It ain't like Jit is still on the come up. He still got to make his Grammy nominated. He's Grammy nominated for a rap album.

[Rory]

He's three songs. Maybe Cole's looking like what you need me for?

[Mall]

It's not a need. It's not let's take that word out of it. Jid doesn't need the look from J. Cole. J. Cole doesn't need the look from Jid. I'm saying Jid's skill set, his success, his energy right now around him and his project that warrants a look from his peer.

[Zip]

Now

[Mall]

has J. Cole ever been Grammy nominated for rap album of the year?

[Rory]

Probably. I don't. I don't know if the top top Mike, yeah, he's that that famous meme where he's sitting there tight when he lost.

[Mall]

So that's his peer. We're both Grammy nominated artists now.

[Rory]

It's nice. It's not his pure.

[Mall]

If I'm Grammy nominated and you Grammy nominated, we not peers.

[Zip]

Come on. So everybody win a Grammy on me.

[Mall]

How are we not peers? I'm not saying that the kid that just got a viral song is J. Cole's parents.

[Zip]

That Be singing on the train. Got a Grammy, homie.

[Mall]

He ain't nominated.

[Zip]

He got it.

[Rory]

Well, Jason in the Train Station, Kendrick, Drake, Future Nikki, those are his peers

[Mall]

because of you talking about because of time in the. In the game. I'm saying he's his peer. Meaning my skill set, my audience, my fucking grapes.

[Rory]

Don't define that to me. If you nominate that, that don't make you the trash people is. Is nominated for. For rap albums that don't make them.

[Mall]

Wait, hold on, wait, hold on, hold on, hold up. If I'm nominated for a rap album of the year, okay, and I'm your artist, you wouldn't think that. Okay, I'm now a peer of yours. I'm still beneath you or the year.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's J. Cole and I love Jid, but Jid would say he's beneath Cole.

[Mall]

I don't know if he. I don't know if Jid would say that.

[Rory]

Well, as a rapper, he would say when it. It's time to get busy.

[Mall]

All right, so that's all I'm talking about.

[Rory]

I'm saying peer wise accomplishments and peer as far as rappers is Macklemore Cole's peer.

[Mall]

I mean he beat all of them. Not skill set, but we know what that was about. Like I'm talking about. I'm talking about Jid being a rapper that cold.

[Zip]

Glorilla was nominated, but Glorilla got.

[Rory]

So why didn't Cole give Glorilla the verse?

[Mall]

The funny is I could see Cole giving glowrilla verses. That's the funny. I could see J. Cole doing a song with Glorilla before. Before J.

[Rory]

But are you guys keep failing to miss that? They've done records together.

[Mall]

I know, I understand that.

[Rory]

I'm talking about multiple Jids.

[Mall]

Yes album though, bro. Even the album Outlaws was on. Even if. Even if it's not the album.

[Zip]

It was all 50.

[Mall]

Even if it's not the album. He put out a mixtape right before

[Zip]

the album and ain't put him on it.

[Mall]

This is just a mixtape.

[Rory]

This is just you.

[Zip]

Every. Every who you could think about that had a crew. Them was on their album. Son Cameron had jewels and them on his album.

[Mall]

To me, Big J is a pair of jco. He has his skill set, his. His artistry.

[Zip]

Nah, he's his. I love tripping, bro.

[Rory]

No way.

[Mall]

J is nice, but he's not.

[Zip]

I'm not saying he can't eventually get

[Rory]

to be his peer, but he's not right now.

[Zip]

I'm not. I'm not going to say what Is

[Mall]

the word peer mean? Cuz I like to. I like to know the.

[Zip]

Who's the kid? I said I didn't like the other week that Rory said he was.

[Mall]

What is peer? Look. Look keenly. Oh, no, that's not. I don't know what Peer.

[Zip]

Peer. Me like peer into something that look keenly. Right. That means it's two different.

[Mall]

Give us the other. Yeah, give us the other. Definition.

[Rory]

Definition.

[Mall]

Something like. Now Ireland. Now, Now Rory's up here. Ireland's up there, huh? A person of the same age, status or ability as another specified person.

[Rory]

So. Status, Status.

[Zip]

Lil Ken, let's give. When that argument with East, I said I ain't like. He put an album out. Rory said he liked it.

[Mall]

Who?

[Zip]

Lil Keek. What was his name?

[Rory]

I have no idea. Who the fuck.

[Mall]

Oh, Baby Keem.

[Rory]

Oh, Baby Keem. Baby Keem.

[Mall]

Okay, okay.

[Zip]

Jit and Baby Keem is pissed, man.

[Rory]

No, they're not.

[Zip]

Why not?

[Rory]

I. I think Jid. Jit is.

[Mall]

Just say it. Jit is a better artist than Baby King.

[Rory]

Like, oh, no, I feel that. Wait, I feel that way.

[Zip]

I'm saying they not Pez, though.

[Rory]

I think Jit. Jit has been way more active. Keem I think is about to get to that place. But Jit has been so active the. The last many years where Keem took a lot of time off. And I don't think they're. They're peers in that regard just because I think Jit has put out more stuff. But now that Keem has this other project, he said he has two more in the tuck he's going on. So I think Keem is about to get there because he's focused on his career. He took five fucking years off.

[Zip]

What about Joey Badass?

[Mall]

Is he a peer of who?

[Zip]

Jid?

[Rory]

Yeah, I mean, Joey's a little bit more established than Jid, in my opinion. Cause Joey's been around here for over a decade. More than that. Way more than that.

[Mall]

Jid is a better. Is a better artist than Joey Badass, though. So.

[Zip]

So, So I don't know if, if.

[Rory]

If Jit has. Has a better project than 1999. And you guys know I love Jid. I don't know if. If he has a better project than that.

[Mall]

I think Jid is a better artist. I think he's a better. Is he a better rapper?

[Rory]

If we're talking about right now. So Jit is a better rapper.

[Zip]

So. So.

[Rory]

So like J's album's better than Joey's last one, but I'm still on the status side of like you do have to take longevity to some account when you're using Joey is. Is in a different league because he's been around for so long.

[Zip]

So to both of Yalls argument. So Noriega would be J the Kiss's pit.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Zip]

You say no because the ability is not the same.

[Mall]

Well, not just ability but the status. Like Nori has classic songs. He has in my opinion, a classic album.

[Zip]

Four go albums.

[Mall]

Yeah. None of it love. So yeah I would agree there that they pass. The skill set is not. The skill set is different. But as far as you know, just discography and longevity and time in the game and accomplishments and things like that. Bodies are work. Yeah. Nori's. He's a. He's a peer.

[Rory]

J I. I think JCole can wrap circles around Future, but I still think future is his peer. Just as far as accomplishments, what they. They've contributed, how they've changed music. That's his future is JCO's peer. But the ability as far as rapping is. Is obviously different. Future would say the same but when it comes to just creating music, that's where I say with with Pierce like I listen Travis Travis. Travis can't rap like Nick Sticky, but they are peers in some degree. If you want to start getting to to status

[Mall]

Last album better than the Fall Off. Yeah, I think so.

[Zip]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm not mad. I'm not mad at that.

[Zip]

It fell off already.

[Rory]

All right.

[Zip]

See, the fall off fell off.

[Rory]

Y' all need to go re listen to the first disc. The first disc is great.

[Zip]

Come on. It's really, really good.

[Mall]

After albums.

[Zip]

Good.

[Rory]

Nah, it's two albums. It's the Fallen or like half the hour.

[Mall]

We like half the project.

[Rory]

No, I like the first disc, the Fall.

[Zip]

You like the full.

[Rory]

The first one I like a lot.

[Mall]

My favorite time of year as well.

[Rory]

I like the first one and I like a few joints on the second one. But again, I'm not. I don't like double disc to begin with. That's something that I. I like don't like when artists do. Unless you have a life after death, which is impossible.

[Zip]

You gotta go crazy on a double disc, bro.

[Rory]

But I'm just saying I don't understand. Like, see the point of everything that Cole has done for jid, whether it be in the public eye or behind the scenes. I don't know if you're just owed. Not owed, but I don't know if. If I'm putting together my project that's about my history and life and this is my last album. I don't know if my mind state is just like, I have to place Jid somewhere in this story just because now this is the time. Time. Yeah.

[Zip]

I don't really making excuses for him.

[Rory]

I don't want to make any this a Drake thing whatsoever because when I do this. But I mean, yeah, Drake does a lot of features for people that he signs. But when it's time for Drake to make an album, bro, I'm going with. I'm gonna hit Future. I'm gonna hit Lil Baby. I'm gonna hit people. I'm not putting Roy woods. And of course he put Division on Views and. And all that. I'm not saying he hasn't done that.

[Mall]

Okay. I was waiting for you to say. Say that.

[Rory]

Oh, no, he said. He said party. I'm just saying it's. No, no, no.

[Mall]

He's on albums.

[Rory]

Hear me out. Well, a lot of stuff with. With the party stuff. And I mean this respectfully. Party and him are great collaborators when they write music together. Whereas that's different between Jid and J. Cole because they're not collaborating to write with each other or create melodies and this and that. Like the intro to if you're reading this Too Late was originally a party demo. Then that Drake flipped and.

[Zip]

And figured out that's my favorite drink album. That's my favorite drink. I ain't going to lie.

[Rory]

But at that time, reading this is too late.

[Zip]

Now we in the basement and we working on them phones. He was trapping on that. He was trapping on that album. That's the only album he was trapping on, bro.

[Rory]

He was. That's where the shift happened, where he went from like soft to aggressive like.

[Zip]

He was trapping, bro. Like they was getting money.

[Rory]

But to me, he does that with his artists more on their projects than he does on his own. Not every single Drake album is like just a fully OVO featured.

[Zip]

I get what you're saying because they might not be on you mic, but on one joint he around. But for the most part, Drake is on they shit a lot. Is J. Cole on a lot of. I mean, even.

[Rory]

Even ho. If you go through everything, you get the Galaxy album. You don't get the whole rock on my album.

[Zip]

Did J. Cole. Was he on Jit Alex album? No. No, he was supposed to be. If he not gonna have Jit on his album, you gotta get on sun album, bro.

[Mall]

But you know why he wasn't though?

[Rory]

Why?

[Mall]

I think that J. Cole didn't want anybody to really hear him like that until Cuz come. Everything. The timing. He was, you know, finishing up his project.

[Zip]

And the rap game is too. This. I ain't gonna lie. I don't. I don't like. I like that talk about selling drugs. Only now these other. These other. Is too weird, bro. Y' all too weird. Y' all got too much like what Wayne said. What you doing? I need the perfect beat. I need the perfect. What are you doing?

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Zip]

Out of here. Y' all need to. I like the. That it seemed like the. That's selling drugs. Benny the Butcher and them kind of get them a beat. They gonna go in there and talk about this and get it over somebody. Oh, hey. I knew he wasn't gonna get on there. Yeah, he ain't want to be heard until. But what. But used to want to be heard every chance he got.

[Mall]

Yeah, but coming off of everything that Cole, you know, obviously the. And then, you know.

[Zip]

Yeah, right.

[Mall]

Very calculated.

[Zip]

Niggas deleting songs. Where the fuck is this shit? Yeah, I don't like this. I like the. That sell drugs. They ain't deleting that. They need that. They need the DSPs to send them a few dollars. They ain't gonna delete that, man. Straight up. You didn't got all this money and change, man.

[Mall]

No, I. Listen.

[Zip]

Don't even like rapping no more. This is more about. Instead of rapping. This is like. It seemed like it's more about.

[Mall]

Well, it's business with J. Cole. It has be to the type of artist he is. He has to think more business than just.

[Zip]

It's always been the business, though.

[Mall]

Yeah, but when you at the level of J. Cole, especially right now, and everything going, you know, from 2024 currently, everything had to be very meticulous. Everything had to be very intentional. Everything had to be calculated. Like, it was just. It was a little different. So I'm not. I'm not looking at it.

[Zip]

I don't feel like J. Cole will ever be as big as HOV was. And of course, for. I don't think.

[Mall]

I don't think so either.

[Zip]

All right. Jay z was on Hot 97, so step inside the boo. Superman is alive. Like, we can still get like that from Jay Z. When he was Jay Z. We could get these getting on the radio, giving us fire freestyles and all that. The top dogs, the greatest of the greatest we got. And y' all be acting like y' all too good to give us like this, cuz.

[Rory]

I mean, it was a while ago. Coded leaker, his leakers freestyle.

[Zip]

I Heard that she was. I. She was. I. You know what I'm saying? I'm just saying though, like you.

[Rory]

It's a different time though too because

[Zip]

like is too batmanish with this man.

[Rory]

But that was always a marketing plan too. Anytime HOV went up to Flex or was bringing someone, it wasn't for the

[Mall]

love of the game. It wasn't random.

[Rory]

It was for an intention of something they were doing. It was a tool. And that tool isn't the way it was before. When it comes to rappers like J. Cole, cool, of course it's great when Drake goes to on the radar. I love that type of shit. I love when rappers that are that established do that. But it's not the tool it was before where you gotta get your whole crew up to the radio because we need to hear all them rap because we about to put something out. It's like when people like Cole or Drake do that, that's actually because they love the sport. Like, that's not really the biggest marketing plan on earth. Like Drake didn't need to do the on the radar. He did it because he likes that platform and wanted to rap with Central C and like that Cole loves. I'm sure Cole loves the LA leaker and was like, I gotta get up there. Colden need to do that. But Jay needed to go to Flex as. As a marketing plan. He needed to.

[Mall]

It was different.

[Rory]

You had. You had to go up if radio was controlling everything. So you have to go up there.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And you got to make a moment like you got. It has to be a thing when you go up there. But yo, I got my mans that could rap too. People calling in like it's a thing.

[Zip]

You know what I'm saying? What I'm saying is this, right? If. If everybody's saying like rap was better when like this was going on. Why do you. Why getting this old ass Honda and ride around like you want some throwback, but you ain't doing the throwback. Could Joey Badass has said this? If J. Cole would have got the Dreamville together and packed the Sprinter van and went to New York City like, yo, Flex, we about to this up a bit. Nah, but see, could he have said that though?

[Rory]

This is my. This is my lap quote unquote, last album. Why can't I make it about me? The only, the only thing, the only thing. When.

[Zip]

What album didn't you make about you? J. Cole.

[Mall]

It's his. Yeah, but that's what Zip is saying.

[Zip]

Like, which didn't you make about you?

[Mall]

When Is it not you? You said the revenge of the nerve. Should we get all that? So he does make way for the guys that he has, you know, under his umbrella and things like that. But what Zip is saying is if you the top dog or you think you're the top dog and you have this certain, you know, aesthetic you trying to keep, like, you know, we taking it back old school, we really hitting the streets and all that, why you ain't got your team? Why you ain't giving them that look?

[Rory]

Done that before. Why does he have to do it every time? This is my last album. I want to make this about me too.

[Mall]

I get that. Like, I get that, too.

[Rory]

If it's the middle of your career. Yeah. Like, if you want to start a label and take. Take on that responsibility.

[Zip]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You should pack the whole Sprinter van with all of Dreamville, which he's done every single Dreamville fest, you could. You could have a thousand streams. If you're signed to Dreamville, you are on the main stage.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And on top of that, when Cole closes.

[Mall]

I mean, I would hope so.

[Rory]

He brings. He brings all of Dreamville on stage with him for half the.

[Mall]

For that I understand. That's their festival.

[Rory]

Ari's biggest first single. He's on Shay by the baby. He did his. Why you have to do that every single time?

[Mall]

I'm not saying every time. I'm just saying that Jid had a very successful year. He had a lot of energy around surrounding his last project. He just put out. I'm just saying I think we could have found. We could have hit Space Bar somewhere on the mixtape form is all I'm saying. Saying, I think we could have found somewhere. We could have found a. A loop somewhere on.

[Zip]

On.

[Mall]

On the. What was the name of the mixtape?

[Rory]

It was called Birthday. It was his birthday, man.

[Mall]

So for your birthday, you don't invite none of the host.

[Rory]

Me and Jid don't get to blow the candles out. It's my birthday. I'm the only one blowing the candles out. Me and J are not blowing out our birthday candles together.

[Mall]

I don't want Jid to blow out J candles. News at all.

[Rory]

It's his birthday.

[Mall]

I don't even want to think about that. I'm just saying I feel like Cole could have found somewhere on that birthday blizzard mixtape to let Jid get his shit off. That's all the album. We understand the January 20 thing.

[Rory]

J's birthday is on Halloween. Nah, wait. You have to wait till October. If I put a mixtape out, then Then we could do a spooky season together.

[Mall]

All right, but just so we can close this.

[Zip]

This.

[Mall]

Would we find it surprising at all if a year from now we hear Jid throwing shots at Cole?

[Zip]

I just said maybe they don't like each other.

[Mall]

Okay?

[Rory]

Yo, usually I'm the one that has the terrible conspiracy theories.

[Mall]

It's not a conspiracy theory.

[Rory]

I'm saying there's no way Jid and J. Cole don't like each other or have a great relationship.

[Mall]

I'm not saying I don't think he feels away either. I'm not saying they don't like each other. But if we hear Jid write a bar, spit a bar, saying, like, you know, know you wanted. You wanted. You know, you wanted to keep me out of that light. You ain't really want me to shine in that moment with you.

[Zip]

You want me in that Hondo Accord.

[Mall]

It ain't got to. It ain't got to be rooted in beef. It's just like. Yeah. You ain't want to. You ain't want to pass on.

[Rory]

Was chrome when they started. Was him and E in the Honda driving to Florida when college. Jid was in. In junior high at that time.

[Zip]

All right, so Shorty, that's the little in the back. That was me. They should pass the weed to me. Your head, Shorty. Yeah. What you got? Spit that shit. I used to spit my little rhymes and shit.

[Mall]

Yeah, I think it's just, you know, I get it. I'm not saying I feel like all

[Zip]

of the Big Dog niggas is supposed to have they young niggas on they album. Cause that's historically. That's how it went. And you supposed to get on they album.

[Mall]

A double disc. The Jig can't get on one.

[Zip]

None of that shit. And all that boring shit.

[Mall]

One song.

[Zip]

Let's get to that. That shit was boring. Boring. You put out mad boring shout out to Joey Badass for pointing that out. You put out 30 boring songs.

[Mall]

Now, Joey Badass said he liked that. He loved that.

[Zip]

I don't care what he said about. I'm talking about the. The Jit. It references. Oh, yeah.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Zip]

You put out 30 boring ass on album. Nobody listened to today. And you ain't even put your man on it. You could have put your man on it. Maybe would have been like, he definitely.

[Mall]

How many tracks was it? 20.

[Zip]

Battled that.

[Rory]

Damn. Now, see, I thought I was about to get. Y' all.

[Mall]

Don't pull up Jay Z discography and see where he didn't put nobody.

[Rory]

I'm looking on blueprint too. And I forgot as Memphis Bleak, Beanie Seal, Freeway, Young Guns, Beatty crack Chris on there.

[Zip]

They don't Sour Diesel like us.

[Rory]

And I'm obviously somehow somewhere he'll smoke the Kanye was Kanye. But. But don't act like Jay with some of the artists that he signed later. Not people like Bleak that he grew up with. You gotta earn a verse from me. Like, you got to put some of your own. Yeah, the Rang. They already have songs together is what I'm saying.

[Mall]

Onto my own. Cole's album don't have Songs Together album.

[Rory]

How many features does. Does Cole have in his whole career on his album?

[Mall]

Not much, but he needs some. Like, it might add some pizzazz.

[Zip]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And it might add a little sparkle. I'm saying sometimes you need to dim the lights and add some ambiance to make the party lit. Just because you got. You know what I'm saying, A ballroom, a big space, and DJ equipment don't mean the party gonna be lit.

[Zip]

You have enough women in here. Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. And not saying that the streets matter, but I don't think J. Cole is real big in the street. Streets. I think he's like a.

[Rory]

You have to define the streets in 2026.

[Mall]

Well, 711 is the streets, right? The back of 7 11, I think that's where a lot of J. Cole fans hang out.

[Zip]

No, no, they hang out in the store next to that, where they got the laptop.

[Mall]

J. Cole fans is in front of 711 parked in their mom's car, listening to his. Eating Twizzlers and eating. Eating sour straws and dabbing.

[Zip]

Smoking weed out of pipes.

[Rory]

Great Saturday night.

[Mall]

No, it's. I'm not saying that. It's not. I'm saying. But that's where his fans are. It's those type of. Of fans. They have basements.

[Zip]

They don't have crack. They don't have crack in the crack of their ass. Trying to wait for somebody to say,

[Rory]

everyone in Queens got a basement.

[Mall]

Not everyone. Not everyone.

[Zip]

I'm from Queens. I did not have a basement.

[Mall]

Not everyone. Well, I know what you mean, though. But not everyone in Queens got a basement.

[Rory]

Me and Zip's upbrings were probably a little bit different.

[Mall]

Just a little tad bit. I'm going just go on the Limits saying you and Z grew up slightly different.

[Zip]

It was a little different. Different parts of Queens. Different parts of Queens.

[Mall]

Different part of Queens.

[Rory]

A lot of basements over there where I'm at, though.

[Zip]

No, around the corner, they had basements yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

You didn't want to go in there, though, where you was at. You ain't want to go in them basements.

[Zip]

I'm saying. The basement in my building. Let me think.

[Mall]

You ain't want to go in the basement in your building.

[Zip]

I think I've been in the basement in my building. Maybe one time.

[Mall]

I'm not going to the laundry. I'm not going to even ask you why you was in there.

[Zip]

The laundry.

[Mall]

Laundry.

[Rory]

Listen, I'm privileged.

[Mall]

I don't know. See, look, you just don't do laundry.

[Zip]

Why?

[Rory]

The driveway?

[Zip]

The laundry matters. Down the block.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Zip]

On the corner.

[Mall]

You don't know what it is to push a shopping cart.

[Rory]

I mean, I. I do. No, you don't, but that's actually when I left my mom, so I had to figure that out.

[Mall]

Oh, okay.

[Zip]

Okay. Yeah.

[Mall]

But not. But J. Cole, he. No, it's not. It's not a street element with J. Cole.

[Zip]

Yeah.

[Mall]

So, like, I don't think J. Cole is a. He's an incredible MC's. Incredible rapper. Rapper. Incredible artist.

[Zip]

Small fan bases. Just small. Small. You gotta have some, like, smart.

[Mall]

But I mean, smart, smart, small cats. Like, a lot of, like, Jada. Like, Fab.

[Zip]

J. Cole is like Seinfeld to me. You had to have some level of intelligence to understand that. Okay, that is not for the. Like, the layman.

[Mall]

Okay. All right.

[Zip]

I'm not mad at that.

[Mall]

I'm not mad at that. Not saying there's anything wrong with that, but you just identifying his fan base.

[Zip]

Yeah, like.

[Rory]

Like, I agree and don't agree. All right.

[Mall]

Jid got what? Jid is George Castanza.

[Zip]

Everybody likes him.

[Rory]

No, he. Craig Kramer. He. He next door. And they can't stand word. No, I think Seinfeld. And people say this about Cole. I don't believe it's about Cole. But why. That is actually a good analogy. People think Seinfeld, that show, is.

[Mall]

Is.

[Rory]

It's not as smart as people think it is.

[Zip]

Very dull.

[Rory]

Like, it. It's really not.

[Zip]

Not.

[Rory]

They're like, oh, it's just. It's too intelligent. You have to be a certain type. No, you don't. It's just not that funny.

[Zip]

That was hilarious to me. What are you bugging?

[Mall]

You thought Seinfeld was hilarious?

[Zip]

Hell, yeah.

[Rory]

I like Seinfeld. Like, my mom watched Seinfeld every day. I grew up on Seinfeld. First of all, let me get this off. It's just not as great as people say. Really.

[Mall]

It's really about to say some good.

[Zip]

No, real Real, real.

[Mall]

All right.

[Zip]

I beat a body, homie. I beat a body. This is real. Y him over, right? I beat a body, right.

[Mall]

All right, all right.

[Zip]

I came home, my grandmother said, yo, you got to come in the house at 10 o'. Clock. I looked at that lady, man. I want to say I just beat a body. Is you talking about coming house at 10 o'? Clock? I couldn't say that. I had to come out at 10 o'.

[Mall]

Clock.

[Rory]

She was. She was trying to keep the street safe.

[Zip]

Yeah. Thank you, Granny.

[Rory]

Thank you. Get this menace off the block.

[Zip]

She said, yo. She said, yo, you gotta come in the house at 10 o'. Clock.

[Rory]

I looked at her.

[Zip]

Yeah, I think I'm growing now. Yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

I'm outside.

[Rory]

That was your bar mitzvah?

[Zip]

Yeah. 10 o'.

[Mall]

Clock. Yeah, yeah.

[Zip]

Like, yeah. I was like, all right, man, I was so pat. And y' all used to. Hey, yo, every day, every day I shut it down at the same time, like 9:45. I start counting my money, cleaning it up at all. I be looking around and all be wanting me make go in the house. Like, corny ass out here. I gotta go in the house. Yeah, I gotta go. These get to stay outside. Yeah, that was crazy. I used to look. I go in the house, I watch the news.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Zip]

And then I used to watch Seinfeld after that.

[Mall]

Yeah. After terrorizing. After terrorizing the community for about 12.

[Zip]

I'm going out bright and early. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ain't no time limit on that. Six. Yeah. I'm out of here.

[Rory]

What's right? What's the deal with selling crack?

[Zip]

I'm out of here. I'm not. I'm definitely not.

[Mall]

Is it big

[Zip]

at 10 o', clock, 11 o'? Clock? Oh, I'm not me.

[Mall]

Yeah, no, no.

[Zip]

I see everything.

[Mall]

I gotta be in that tent. Yeah, yeah. Everybody go to work.

[Zip]

What? Yeah, everybody. I've seen everything. I seen everything happening. Yo, that is such. And then at 10 o', clock, I gotta go. I gotta take it. I gotta take it inside.

[Mall]

Y. But that is such a hood thing. Like, no matter what niggas was doing in the streets, how fed niggas was terrorizing, if Granny said something that was law. Get your ass upstairs. 10 o'.

[Rory]

Clock, 10 o'.

[Zip]

Clock.

[Mall]

Yeah, n. Get in the house.

[Zip]

I'm 16. Yeah, you got to be in the house at 10 o'. Clock.

[Announcer]

Did you have.

[Mall]

Did you have Granny had the latch on the door?

[Zip]

Nah, you gotta get home for that latch and all that. Nah, you had to keep Grandma will Come down the block with the long coat. Grandma come down the block. Grandma came down that block. Mad time. Yeah, let's go, let's go. Just like that. Come on.

[Mall]

Wrap all this up.

[Zip]

Only time rolling dice. She'll go in the store, act like she was going to get some.

[Mall]

When she come out, it's time to roll. No, she.

[Zip]

She knows she gonna look at you. She's you. You know what time does the. Look at his wheel.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Turn the clock. You be like, oh, oh. No wonder she front. Like, she got to get something from the store. She don't need nothing from the store.

[Mall]

You need corn.

[Zip]

But she see you at the dice game. She let that go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But other than that, it's time to roll.

[Mall]

Pack it up.

[Rory]

I'm still crying.

[Zip]

That zip.

[Rory]

Didn't realize after you beat a body at 16 that you got to go home when the street lights is on.

[Zip]

10 o'. Clock.

[Rory]

You know, the I've done that is so minuscule that my mom was like, n. You can't be. You can't go outside anymore.

[Mall]

Gotta wrap it up. 10 o'.

[Rory]

Clock. You look at that gray? Like, what I do that?

[Zip]

Oh, my. You know why in the. Yo, look, this. The ill. When I caught the body, I had to be in the house at 10 o', clock, right?

[Rory]

Curfew should have been earlier for everyone.

[Zip]

Yo, look. No, it's summertime. It's July. Like July six. Look. Boom. So it's summertime. And, you know, outside listening to that nine that had just came out.

[Mall]

96.

[Zip]

Yeah, it was written. It just came out, right? So the shit happened. Boom. So. But what happened was when I went upstairs, she said, yo, you want to go back outside? I said, yeah, hell yeah, let's go. Yeah, I went back out there and caught a body. See, See, she wasn't going for that no more.

[Mall]

Yeah. No, we not.

[Zip]

Was it never no more. You want to go back outside now?

[Mall]

No, no, no, no.

[Zip]

10 o'. Clock. You got to be in at 10 o'. Clock. What the did you mean.

[Mall]

You remember the last time what happened?

[Zip]

She had to say that. All right.

[Mall]

Be scared of their grandmother.

[Zip]

I was. I was scared to death of my grandmother. My grandmother had the big arms.

[Mall]

Yeah, you supposed to.

[Zip]

Her back hand was mad fast. You would never see.

[Mall]

Got a backhand like Marty Supreme Son.

[Zip]

You would never see that coming. Like she said, like, she. She don't talk with her hands or none of that.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Zip]

You just never saw that coming. Next thing you know, your teeth and all that. Lips numb.

[Mall]

Nose ring.

[Zip]

Pop the out of. You know what I'm saying?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Pop fire.

[Mall]

Yo, imagine your grandmother popping you and you just beat a body.

[Zip]

Like you outside.

[Mall]

You outside laying the game down.

[Rory]

I think she was like, pretty liberal and nice to give you a 10pm curfew after beating a body.

[Zip]

Yeah. Oh, my God, the minuscule things.

[Rory]

Got up at 16. Like, nah, you not going outside anymore.

[Mall]

Oh, I feel like we all live the same life somehow. Man, that is funny.

[Rory]

Definitely not that one, but definitely not that.

[Zip]

Definitely not that.

[Mall]

But being scared of your grandmother, your opinion. Yeah, that's a real thing. Man. Get your ass in the house.

[Rory]

Off Mike Zit was the funniest story of reading somebody's paperwork in jail. That's whose grandmother should have had them in at 6pm that she was talking about who. When you looked at homie's paperwork and saw with the pieces.

[Zip]

So look, right? So me and my man. Me and my man Vito from Poughkeepsie, right? We talking about some shit on the gate. We trying to out tough each other on the gate. So he talking about shit. I'm talking about shit. So this old East New York, he like, yo, Zip, I'm about to send something down there. Pull the line in. So grab the line, pull it in. And all that mad heavy is this, man, I was hoping it was some weed. I was on key block. And pull it down. Mad legal working. So when I pull it out, the. When I pull it out the envelopes, it's like, you could tell what A wants you to read. Like the. Got like, the folder, red, green, blue, and all that he wants you to research.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Open this up. I start reading the date. It's the trial minutes.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Zip]

Talking to a detective. They questioned the detective. So they asked the detective, they like, yo, what made you start investigating this such and such for these two homicides? Well, we was already investigating them for 75. What the closest.

[Rory]

Close that.

[Zip]

Put that in there. Let me get for a while. Yeah, yeah. Act like I'm reading. Act like I read. Call that like an hour later. Yo, I'm sitting. Lie down. Holla. Holler the line. Yeah, holla the line. You pull a line in. You read that? Yeah. You read everything? Yeah, I read one page of that. Out of here, they can talk about. We was for 75.

[Rory]

He rose the murder rate 25.

[Zip]

That ain't no way you. They investigating you for 75, and you ain't do none of them. That don't work. Like, ain't telling the police is investigating because somebody Told him you did that. Ain't telling. You did 75, homie, and you ain't do nothing. Ain't lying on you like that in the hood, homie. The. I said, yo, I was scared of that after that. That's my. That was a. That was smooth. He ain't raise his voice none of that. I used to get that pound to be scared, like, yeah, what up, bro? I said, this is dangerous, homie.

[Rory]

I was. If I. If I read that first page and said, investigated for 75, I would close that. The less. The less I know, the better. Yeah, I would send that back up. Be like, yo, I think. I think you got a shot of beating it, yo.

[Zip]

I ain't want to rip no envelope,

[Rory]

Yo.

[Zip]

Look, the. That I was downstairs talking to, right? I said, yo, son, come here. I said, yo, son, pull up on me like, yo, what up? I said, yo, son. I said, that nigga's a killer. I said, we can't with that here. I said, yo, we can't with that. All that we was talking about ain't about nothing. Straight up.

[Rory]

We g. We gonna be 70. We'll be the 76ers over here.

[Zip]

No catching. No catching that. Oh, no. I don't have no plans on ever. Like, yeah, he got me. No. Yeah, he got me. They gonna let me go to the marines when I get out of here. That's the only way I can catch that out of here.

[Mall]

Yeah, let's leave him alone, man.

[Zip]

I'm not taking the weed from this because I always pay on time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I always pay on. Yo, you know, I got. I'm good.

[Announcer]

I got some.

[Zip]

What's the name? Them. Yeah. Y.

[Mall]

At me.

[Zip]

No, you should have never let me read that.

[Mall]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

There's no way you could get to 75. Good reasons. Like somebody was a daylight to pay.

[Zip]

I don't care what was going on

[Rory]

out here to get to 75.

[Zip]

That's what up, though, yo. If could look that the number they used to be having 150, 170 murders and like that a year in East New York. Just one neighborhood, right? Like now in New York City, it'd be four or five hundred murders a year in one neighborhood. They used to be having 150. 175 murders. The said we was investigating him for 75 years. He wanted them. He wanted them ones going crazy out here like they had a few of them. Yo, man, so worried about the audio. Listen. Rest in peace. The puzzle. The Coog G rap made a song he, he. He mentioned something the verse and I'm saying I remember Puzzle was in my hood telling me he killed 10 people. Like I killed 10 people. Like we used to be. We was little looking up this like you lying had the Rusty Mac. Like I'm not lying.

[Rory]

I haven't thrown this thing away yet.

[Zip]

That had the Rusty Mac. I'm not lying. Yeah, he died. He got killed. You know. I'm saying a long time ago. I don't know who did that. Like G Rap just brought that hood.

[Rory]

I can assume he had 10 different options.

[Zip]

Plus he killed 10 the from east New York. I say that's a light number. Yeah, homie. You.

[Mall]

This is the line there. Yeah, that's. That's the startup.

[Zip]

No, like he'll tell you about Puzzle. Like he told me about Puzzle. Like oh no, I know for a fact he got more than that. Like when you was with him. Like oh ah, yeah, yeah. Maybe he had 10. Like I ain't gonna lie. That group of before us.

[Mall]

Oh yeah. No, it was different.

[Zip]

The 80s born in the 80s. The born in 75. That was outside 76. That was outside.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Zip]

14, 15 and 88.

[Mall]

It was different, man. It was different.

[Zip]

It was a little from named Shorty from my hood. He wasn't from my hood. He was from 40 projects. He came to my hood and they shot everybody, bro. That shot everybody, bro. That shot Mike. He shot Mike. He tried to shoot Bill one time. He tried. Bill Duck. Bill the fastest in the world. Bill Duck the bullet fast. Faster than Leroy. Leroy caught the with his chief built up and got away. Work with mother in. In in in the Big Apple. You know, they turn that into crown fry lady and Kenny cry. But it was called a Big Apple Shorty. Shorty try to buck the Bill. Bill Duck that got up out of there on that. But he shot everybody. You know, he shot. He shot one of my man's in the ass. Shot White Mike in the foot. Was shooting everybody.

[Rory]

It's a marksman.

[Zip]

He's like 14. Yeah, it was like 1415. It was shooting everybody. Another little. Say another little from my hood. Put him down.

[Mall]

It's always like that though. I feel like the ones that be outside like really. It's always like the most random young.

[Zip]

No, not a random nothing. Another little that was doing the same kind of when they got got him.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Zip]

Was waiting for him. Yeah.

[Mall]

Oh my God.

[Zip]

That was crazy. I ain't gonna lie. They be saying that man. I don't care what nobody say that violent. They be talking about these Days. This is a good place to raise kids, man. That we went through.

[Mall]

Yeah, it's different now. I, I, I mean, it's still a lot of going on.

[Zip]

Random, unnecessary.

[Mall]

Yeah, but I tell people all the time, no comparison.

[Rory]

It's, it's New York wise. Everywhere else is a nightmare.

[Mall]

No, New York in the 80s. 80s. I tell people all the time. I vividly remember seeing that. Now I'm just like, y' all have no idea what this block y' all standing on used to look like in 87 and 88 and 89. Like you wouldn't want to be standing over here. Like it was abandoned buildings everywhere.

[Zip]

17 year old kids don't go to the store by themselves, bro.

[Mall]

No more. No, I was six.

[Zip]

They used to just throw the change here. Go give me some cigarettes. Yeah, you just go get this to the Spanish. Yo, my mother, you know your mom

[Mall]

give you whatever you, you smoke one

[Zip]

in the hallway, take the rest upstairs. Yeah, that's how I was six.

[Mall]

This is first grade smoking at six.

[Zip]

First grade. Did smoke half of the cigarette. Get that to your man. Come back down. This is brown. Yeah, we out

[Mall]

smoking cigarettes are six is crazy.

[Rory]

Absolutely, son.

[Zip]

This is what this was going on. No 100% you to take the, the, you know how they used to come through with the coupons, Put them on the fences and take those in the backyard, putting leaves in them, rolling up like we smoking weed and all that. Burning up a chest and all that.

[Rory]

We actually used to that exact same thing. This finally zip. We found something from our childhood that we can, we can relate to outside. Oh no. We was rolling like notebook paper and just try to smoke it like.

[Mall]

Yeah, I feel like that's white boy just smoking notebook paper.

[Rory]

I was the only white person.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah, I forgot you grew up.

[Zip]

You, you grew up with us.

[Mall]

You with us? Yeah, he. I forgot Rory with us.

[Rory]

I was. That was Jerome that did that.

[Mall]

Oh my God, man.

[Zip]

He said that was Jerome that did that.

[Rory]

Accurate name.

[Zip]

No worry.

[Rory]

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[Rory]

All right, before we get out of here though, what does Puff have on everybody? Pause. Listen, I I hope to God we don't have to talk about a J. Cole interview for a while.

[Mall]

Why not?

[Rory]

I don't mean that in a bad way.

[Mall]

I love Cole.

[Rory]

Love J. Cole. Watch. I I think all of us are just exhausted with a lot of this stuff. But either way, Cole mentioned In the Cameron interview that he had a podcast episode where he was gonna explain the entire fight he had with Diddy, which has been rumored for quite some time. But he did confirm it did happen. They did get in some type of a scuffle. But he said he didn't want to put it out. Cause he didn't want to kick him while he was down.

[Mall]

He didn't want to kick Diddy while he was down.

[Rory]

He said everything was piling on. He want to add that to it.

[Zip]

You ever seen Diddy kick somebody when they was down?

[Rory]

I've seen Diddy kick a woman while

[Zip]

she was down and out a little dainty joint.

[Rory]

I don't know if I might have the grace to not kick someone when they down. When I've watched them kick a woman while they're down.

[Zip]

Yeah, you won't want me to do it.

[Mall]

Figuratively or literally?

[Zip]

Figuratively.

[Rory]

I've seen you literally. Literally a woman when she was down.

[Zip]

A little dainty joint when she was down. But we can't kick him when he down. I don't care about none of that.

[Mall]

I think. I think we, we, we, we. It's just too much politically correct talk.

[Zip]

Like, I'm not standing. I'm not standing.

[Rory]

Say the same.

[Mall]

No, but that even him. Usher.

[Zip]

I should used to live with him, though. It's a difference. It's a difference between J. Cole and Diddy.

[Mall]

Did he have a different life?

[Zip]

I should used to live with him when he was a child. You know what I'm saying? Like, son. Kind of like he helped raise him a little bit. He stayed with him for like a year. That was his mentor. That's big bro to him. Yeah. You understand? Or unc. Whatever. You know, I'm saying, J. Cole, you don't have that relationship with Diddy.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I mean, maybe optics of, like, it may look like I'm conveniently putting this episode out during the Diddy anything. But that's not how Cole worded it. He worded it as if, oh, everyone was piling on. I didn't want to kick him up.

[Mall]

He didn't want to add to that.

[Rory]

Add to it as. But I could see the point of,

[Mall]

like, so what that mean?

[Rory]

This would look like weird timing. Like, the way we talk. We talk five times a week. If Cole's putting out a podcast episode right around that time, it could look exploitive. Like, okay, this is weird. But that's not what he said.

[Zip]

So.

[Rory]

So he just said he didn't want to kick him while he was down.

[Mall]

Okay. So when would be the right time to do it? When is it not gonna look like he kicking him? Cause he gonna be down forever now after it is.

[Rory]

I don't. I mean, the world we live in, I don't think Puff is going to be down, unfortunately. I just don't think that nobody cares, clearly. And jcole is. Is the. The compass of morality in the hip hop game. It's like, nah, I wanted to protect Diddy.

[Zip]

No, I don't think. I don't. I'm. I'm saying, like, all right, so boom.

[Rory]

When I protect.

[Zip]

I'm not saying Diddy's not going to keep getting money, right? I think he's going to get money, but a lot of that was going on is not going to be able to go on. That girl got on stand and say he like mayon rubbed on his nipples.

[Rory]

And then one said, come Like, I'm not like, weird.

[Zip]

It's this man, like, you understand, king's

[Rory]

your king, but the come to.

[Zip]

It's the come. That's what I'm saying. It was like, that's what I'm saying.

[Mall]

That's what he's saying.

[Zip]

I just ain't want to say come know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

Because they said Diddy had a lot of things rubbed. I wasn't sure if he was actually saying no.

[Zip]

It was. I'm saying, like, you another. Like another busting your bra. You want her to take it out and put it on your chest? Like, no. Looking at you the same now. Like, me, like, might have thought you was freaky before. Like, oh, they heard some shit, but now we heard the specifics.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Now looking at you like, all right,

[Rory]

well, let me ask you this. Like I said, I said nobody, nobody cares. All right. You think it's over for Diddy based off that More than all of us watching him kick a woman? Yes, that's up. And I don't think you think, but I agree with you. That's how society. I think society thinks it's crazier that. That he likes to come on his nipples than kicking a woman.

[Zip]

My thing is the reason why I didn't care about. About people palling on with Diddy is because I see him kicking abroad.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Like, it was like, once you like, like, like, like I know mad that had fights with girls I don't with. I'm saying once I know you be beating shorties up and I don't with you, homie. Like, yeah, I don't want nothing to do with you. Right? We watched this do that. Then he catch a case. And they say he was doing all this nasty. All this nasty coming out of trial. Mad, baby, all you say. And they say, where did tapes? Maybe this is why everybody's sticking up for Diddy, because they ain't put them tapes out. Yeah, they said it was tapes. Yeah, he said it was cameras everywhere and no tapes came out.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Zip]

So maybe he still got them tapes. Maybe they said you could keep your tapes. Now everybody like, yo,

[Rory]

I a got

[Zip]

nothing bad to say about Diddy. So the feds put the tapes out. The feds put the tapes out, and yours is. Ain't dead. It ain't Exhibit C. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yo. Yeah, that. No, I'm saying that's what they. That's what they waiting for. I don't get it.

[Mall]

Yeah. I just think that, like, Diddy will

[Rory]

be home relatively soon, and I think nothing, and he's watching all of this. And I don't think there's anything with Cole in that regard, but. And I don't want to put anything on Usher either. I don't want to, like, make accusations with. With no proof or anything.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But I could see if I did some freaky with Diddy that I didn't want out, and it's time for me to sit down. And I know he's in jail with nothing. But Tom, I might. I might watch my words and what I say about somebody.

[Zip]

Watch what you got.

[Mall]

If you feel like your closet, you got some in there.

[Zip]

Yeah.

[Mall]

But the ones that know that they ain't got. But those are the ones, the 50s, where they feel like that ain't none of that.

[Zip]

Whatever.

[Mall]

It's like, nigga, that's what. But that's what people don't understand about 50. Why he could talk like that is because he knows, like, bro, I don't got.

[Zip]

I don't got none of that.

[Mall]

Yeah. On me. Like, that ain't. That ain't who I am. I ain't got that on my jacket.

[Rory]

And, like, again, I don't want to push it on Usher, but everything Usher said on the first part, I agree. Of course, we. I don't need Usher or anyone else to tell us that Diddy is an icon and has changed music, changed everything.

[Zip]

Like, I never heard of a remix until Puff.

[Rory]

I don't need Usher to say that and then be like, well, that's why I'm not saying. All right, but you could say you watched him literally punt a woman in a hallway. Like, what does one have to do with.

[Mall]

With the other Right.

[Rory]

It's that. Of course we know he's an icon. Do I need to tell you that Ignition remix is incredible? No, he also kids, right? That's where I'm lost with this whole Usher. I don't get those points. Yeah, I get it. Yes. Like, Puff has done amazing things for you and for other people. I'm not saying Puff has not done good things in his life.

[Mall]

Right? But once you see that, once we

[Rory]

see that, why can't you just be like, well, nah, still, like, what the fuck?

[Mall]

No, yeah, like, once you see that, you can be my mentor as a kid and I'm a grown man now and I see you doing something, but like kicking a woman, I'm gonna be like, yo, that's absolutely.

[Zip]

But I' ma say this though, right? I'm gonna say this right. Usher got a relationship with Diddy that don't got. So now he could have been like, yo, what was going on there? Yo, bro, that's the day I found out she gave me that wasn't it. Or that's the days she had a hundred thousand in that bag trying to run out that hotel room or we don't know. You know what I'm saying?

[Mall]

Whatever it is though, if you grab her.

[Zip]

No, you can't say whatever it is.

[Mall]

Listen, that's what I'm saying.

[Zip]

So if she burnt you, what if she burnt them? What if she slipped him the package?

[Mall]

But my thing is. My thing is you still kicking her while she's on the floor, though. You grabbing or throwing her on the floor, you know, like, okay, if you saying. Let's say the situation is what you say, any man would lose his mind and go, you don't know what you would do. Right? But what I'm saying is, what is that gonna do though? At that point

[Zip]

you saying to yourself, you just gave me some that I can't get rid of for the rest of my. I gotta have this for the rest of my life. Incredible. Hope everything that every. Every smart make me mad.

[Mall]

In that case. In that case, maybe I kind of

[Zip]

like you understand what I'm saying?

[Mall]

Yeah, but if it ain't something like

[Zip]

that, but if it ain't that, it's just you trying to leave and you doing that. She said something slick to you and you mad, right? You. You a ass.

[Mall]

But yeah, right, okay.

[Zip]

It's some shot see happen in the hood. Like one one I know abroad took 80000 from a. Yeah, gave it to her brother.

[Mall]

Right, Right. Yeah. You can expect that if he was to Run into her if they would

[Zip]

have found her in the trunk.

[Mall]

Well, yeah. It's warranted. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. Absolutely.

[Zip]

This stood out here all these days doing what he doing. Whatever. You don't know what he did to get this. Right. And you gonna get that to your brother.

[Mall]

Right. No, I get it.

[Zip]

You understand what I'm saying? So we.

[Mall]

If we saw something like that, if

[Zip]

we just saw him stomping out in

[Mall]

the hood, we kind of understand that.

[Zip]

You understand what I'm saying? So. But from the looks of it, it looked like she just was trying to leave.

[Mall]

Right.

[Zip]

You know what I'm saying? She just was trying to leave, and you wasn't trying to let her leave, and you put hands and feet on her, and that's corny. We ain't jacking that.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Zip]

You know what I'm saying? Then we hear all these stories about you watching you. You shaking out while another is drilling and all of that. That's nasty. Like, we don't. I don't. Like. I'm not like. Once you got a case against ladies. Once it's a case against ladies.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Zip]

And we don't give a. Ain't no. Yo, you. Yo. Yo, that snitched on that. What he did. Yo, I used to be beating up his girl and his kids and. Yo, call the police. That a rat? No, he ain't no rat. You ain't gonna get me to call that no rat.

[Mall]

Right.

[Zip]

You know what I'm saying?

[Mall]

Would you.

[Zip]

To call the police? No. Right. But I would have told my. Yeah, I know she was gonna call. Know what I'm saying? Respectfully, I ain't calling the police on. No, you steal my car, I gotta report it stolen type, you know what I'm saying? But just to be calling. I ain't calling police. The what? I know. I tell it to a. I know what the is gonna do. Right.

[Rory]

That's hilarious.

[Mall]

I get it.

[Rory]

All right, Before. Again, before we get out of here, new music that's out right now. I. Man, maybe we're recording this Thursday night. Maybe Kanye West Bully is out.

[Mall]

I don't know. I don't think so.

[Rory]

I don't think.

[Mall]

I don't think we get bullied tonight.

[Rory]

He already pushed back all the listening sessions because his own team put out a message. Said, yo, all the listening sessions tonight are canceled because he hates the master. So I don't think we have Bully right now. If you're listening to this, I don't think Bully's here.

[Mall]

No, it's not happening.

[Rory]

But I mean, Yeet. That's. That's. That's your favorite artist.

[Mall]

Shout out to yeet 80.

[Rory]

That's a choice. Okay, listen, man, I'm gonna save that for my.

[Zip]

My own.

[Rory]

My own podcast. I'm gonna start some. Some paywall that. Not to make money, but you have to pay a lot to. So you can't cancel me on my thoughts with certain things. Oh, I wish I could.

[Mall]

Interesting songs. Interesting album title. Interesting. Let's just leave it at that. Very interesting.

[Rory]

What's his real name?

[Zip]

Just go to the next album. Just go to the next album.

[Rory]

You're a beat.

[Mall]

Noah Olivier Smith. Okay. Olivier Smith. Noah Olivier.

[Rory]

All good, man. Congrats to Fetty. Everything. Fetty went through that. That I don't think he deserved whatsoever. I think that entire case is bullshit. And I think it's awful that he had to do the time that he did. So I'm. This album could stink. And I'm still here to support Fett. I'm interested in everything that he does. I'm not saying or think it's going to be bad, but it's tough to

[Zip]

have an album coming out right now.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's why I'm saying it's quick. It's really quick.

[Zip]

I feel like I'm gonna say this right as a. That did mad time in jail, came home. He didn't do a lot of time in jail, you know what I'm saying? So he probably was like in Ray Brook or one of these shits close to where he from, you know what I'm saying? Probably wasn't that far away.

[Rory]

He was. He was here.

[Zip]

Right? So we're in New York.

[Rory]

I think he was in the actual feds.

[Zip]

I don't think he was in like, Ray Brook or Otisville is the New York. That's the fast spots in New York. So I'm saying, like, he probably could have had a post on what was going on. But even with people telling you, was you imagining what's happening in the streets? Like they could tell you. Like they could tell you your best friend did something and you have to imagine this shit. You ain't see it. You got to imagine this shit. Five people could tell you the story. You still have to imagine in your brain what happened. You understand what I'm saying? To come home. That nigga just got here to have a whole album ready. Yo, you ever see the like on the Internet? Come home from jail and they be rhyming like the blood. And I don't want to, like, single them out. But specifically them, because they the big gang in New York. And so you see these come home and they be rhyming on the Internet and they be trash, but they swag is like, how the. This think this sound fire? Because I'm tell you. I'mma tell you how to happen. But look, they on a day in a. In a. In a dorm or, or, or. Or cell block. It's mad bloods there, okay? They're gonna cheer you on, homie. Yeah, yeah, they. Yeah, homie spit that trash like, whoa. And think this is fire for 10 years. Meanwhile.

[Mall]

Yeah, that ain't what they do.

[Zip]

All the neutral is in a sound like. Know what I'm saying? Yeah, that ain't it. So now when you see these on the Internet, they like, like, yeah. And you like, what the. Like, why would you be thinking you getting it in right now? It's because he was in jail with the other homies and they got him feeling like he nice. I'm telling you. Yeah, yeah, it'd be like that. Yeah, it be happening like that.

[Rory]

I mean, I'm neutral. I'd still be like, yo, that's crazy, bro.

[Zip]

You see what I'm saying that yo be doing. Say what, slick? You don't even hear nothing else he said, banging on the walls and all that. He thought he just got busy.

[Rory]

So much stuff to rhyme with Mac Baller. You killing that.

[Mall]

Oh, my God, man. I am looking forward to the Stove God and Swiss Beats album. All this for me.

[Rory]

Same.

[Mall]

How you feel about Stove? You like Stove?

[Zip]

I gotta start listening to Stove more, man, because I. I'm with these upstate, man, and they selling mad drugs in the music, and they seem like they the only that's consistent.

[Mall]

I think you're like, you need to

[Rory]

listen to Reasonable Drought, then. Reasonable Drought is.

[Mall]

You never heard Reasonable Drought stole, guy.

[Zip]

I might have heard it, man. I'm telling you. I don't really like. He got some. He got some on the Fuego Bay that. Yeah, I was on that.

[Mall]

I like Fuego too, though.

[Zip]

He got some. I'm plugged in.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Super duper plugged in.

[Mall]

Now you gotta listen to Reasonable Drought, though. That's still. To me, that's a classic mixtape.

[Rory]

Yeah. Yeah, I. I was going to say it's probably the last classic mixtape that I could think of. I mean, I know. I guess it's. It's a mixtape to me.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Classic mixtape.

[Mall]

Rock Mary executive produced.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Zip]

You like Rock Mossy?

[Mall]

I love Rock Mossy.

[Zip]

I'm not a real big Rock Mossy. Fan?

[Rory]

Why not?

[Zip]

I. I just. I'm not.

[Mall]

Have you, like, really, like, listened to him? Like, got into the music?

[Zip]

Yeah, I ain't. I ain't.

[Mall]

But what don't you like about it? Is it the music? Is it the rhymes? Is it the.

[Zip]

It's like. It ain't my. I. I don't know.

[Rory]

All right.

[Zip]

It seemed like a little like. I don't really know how to put it, but it ain't.

[Mall]

You got. You got. You got to really, like.

[Zip]

No, I really. I really did. Because are saying Rock Moss, yo, you got to listen to Rock Mary. Rock Mossy.

[Mall]

His man Arrow.

[Zip]

He from Long island or something, right?

[Mall]

Long Island.

[Zip]

Rock Mossy, Arrow from Harlem.

[Rory]

You that Shooter best friend.

[Zip]

I don't with Arrow like that. Ne.

[Rory]

Oh, never mind.

[Zip]

They nice. I ain't saying. I ain't saying they can't of the

[Mall]

best in the city right now. Like, you know, that's that old. He rhyme like a real 90s. Like, that's that. That's that flow.

[Zip]

He's fire in the city.

[Rory]

I mean, I don't know what your

[Mall]

personal issues like ball for ball in New York. I just.

[Zip]

He better than Shooter.

[Mall]

I think so.

[Zip]

Yeah.

[Mall]

That's ill. Yeah.

[Zip]

They like best friends, too. They best friends.

[Mall]

It's. It's Eros. It's his flow. I love his flow. Like, it's that. It's.

[Zip]

It reminds me of it be everywhere sometimes, but.

[Mall]

But. But it's. It's. It's. It. If you just listening, it kind of feels like it's everywhere. But it's not, though. It's not. I know what you mean by that, because, like, if you first listen to it, it's like. It's like he sound like he off the. Out the pocket a little bit, but he's not, though. He just on a different downbeat. Like, he not on the.

[Zip]

The nicest in the city.

[Mall]

He's one of them to me. Arrow. Yeah, he's one of them. He's one of the best in New York right now for sure. For sure.

[Zip]

He can make songs. He can make songs.

[Mall]

I'm just talking skill, straight rapping. I'm just talking rapping.

[Zip]

Like, if he's better than Don Q,

[Rory]

I'm. I'mma say yes.

[Mall]

I. I with Don Q is nice.

[Zip]

If my son could make songs better. If he could make better songs, better songs and just give them to him.

[Rory]

Yo, here.

[Zip]

Go ahead. Do that.

[Mall]

Okay. You know what it is? I think Errol will say some shit like, Don is nice, and he gonna be like, yo, he smoked that. But Errol gonna say some shit, make

[Zip]

you think about it, and you gonna.

[Mall]

It's the type of shit that you'll repeat, like, the next day. Like, yo, that N said, like he said to me, that's the difference in Errol. It's like you gonna walk away from listening to him, and you gonna repeat what he said, or you gonna, like, revisit what he said in your head more than what Don said. But you're gonna know Don is nice. You hear Don Q rap, you're like, that nigga's nice. But Arrow just got a way of saying it's the way he say that's gonna, I think, live with you a little longer. Just tap in with it, though. Just tap on a little bit.

[Zip]

Nah, I, I, I know who that is. Like, put me on the sun, Put me on the Sunday. They told me that was. They told me that was Shooter best friend growing up. And, and I'm saying, you know, I was locked up with shooting. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to Shooter, Punch my man. I'm saying mad ciphers with that growing up. And you know what I'm saying? Yeah, you know, I mean, so I passed him with something. He nice.

[Mall]

Yeah, sure. I with you.

[Zip]

See, like, me personally, a could be nice, but I don't be listening to that, though.

[Mall]

Not same.

[Zip]

You know, I'm saying, like, a lot of people.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Zip]

Like, it ain't my body.

[Mall]

Same 100. I totally get it.

[Zip]

It'd be a lot of like that. I'll be like, there's a lot of like that going on. Everybody, like, I'm telling you, the selling drugs, man. If you ain't selling drugs, I don't really want to hear that right now.

[Rory]

I like estg Stove gonna be your guy.

[Zip]

Yeah, no Flames. Not Malik, homie.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

Like flames. Yeah.

[Zip]

You don't with that? I do. Yeah.

[Mall]

I like flames.

[Rory]

It's not something I throw on all

[Mall]

the time, but playing this but make better music, though.

[Rory]

Stove makes way better music, and it's the music playing. But yeah, Stone makes songs.

[Mall]

He make better songs.

[Rory]

I'm saying I like melodic, too. Don't do melodic shit.

[Zip]

Like, like for instance, right? Stove said, talk to the plug Monday, came on Friday. Send me a hundred of them. I need a hundred of them, right? You find a hundred in the hood. Out of them 100. None of them niggas had a. You found a hundred in the hood. Not a. Not one of the. Had a honey flames. Malik said, what you doing sitting in my. Bagging up some betas sitting in my whip crack on my hands. I can't hit the blunt. They put it to my lips. I did this, homie. It's. It's a big difference.

[Mall]

Yeah, no 100. I get what you said.

[Zip]

This. Look, I'm bagging up the pack.

[Mall]

Like you can relate.

[Zip]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

You can't touch that blunt.

[Zip]

Yeah, you can't touch it.

[Mall]

You can't touch that blunt.

[Zip]

Yeah, yeah. I'm on, like, word them. That's all. I get that.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Zip]

You know what I'm saying?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Zip]

Send me 100 of them. What the you talking?

[Mall]

It's more relatable.

[Zip]

What is this we talking? We there like that. What we talking?

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah. No, I get it. It's more.

[Zip]

I'm saying it's way more relatable.

[Mall]

I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying.

[Zip]

And it's like. I'm saying, like, I just.

[Mall]

But that don't mean it still ain't hard, though, like, just because you.

[Zip]

I ain't saying.

[Mall]

But you're saying you could identify and relate to it more because that's something you could identify with. I get it.

[Zip]

Like that. Playing everything that.

[Mall]

You know, I like him.

[Zip]

He talk about that.

[Mall]

I like that.

[Zip]

Yeah, that's nice.

[Mall]

But Stove God.

[Zip]

Fuego base is the plainest.

[Mall]

Fo was hard.

[Zip]

Shout out to. They playing. They talking that.

[Mall]

Yeah, he definitely talking. Stove God. Swiss beats all this for me. I'm looking forward to this joint.

[Zip]

I'm gonna check it out, though.

[Mall]

Yeah, gotta check. Check that out.

[Rory]

No, that's gonna be my first click at midnight. I'm gonna stay up for the stove. God, I'm excited for this.

[Mall]

Yeah, I want to hear that.

[Rory]

And my sister Jazzy, she's putting out her album soundtrack to get her back.

[Mall]

Shout out to Jazzy.

[Rory]

That's. You know how you have, like, sisters in Christ. She's my sister in toxicity, okay? Nobody's more toxic than. Than Jazzy. Even though she. I'm. She's actually gonna come up next week.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Rory]

She's one of the coolest chicks ever. She's a sniper. You think young, amazing.

[Zip]

Sniper. Sniper.

[Rory]

Be a sniper.

[Mall]

Don't put Jozzy out there like that. Jozzy's a sweetheart. She's a sweetheart. We ain't gonna put Jozzy business out there like that.

[Zip]

We ain't gonna do that.

[Rory]

Oh, we gonna talk to her.

[Mall]

But Jozzy is super talented. One of the best pins in the game.

[Zip]

She sing?

[Rory]

Yeah, she sings. Yeah, she Was I. I hate with the puff shit that happened. Outside of the obvious, that last album was incredible.

[Mall]

She was like.

[Rory]

She smoked that whole project.

[Zip]

Yeah.

[Mall]

But even her project that she put out, though. Oh, yeah, that was, to me, was one of the best projects that year that she put out.

[Rory]

Absolutely. So, yeah, I'm excited to have Jozzy up here next week, but, yeah, we out of here. We'll see y' all on Saturday, actually.

[Mall]

Saturday?

[Zip]

Yes.

[Rory]

In New York City.

[Mall]

If you're in New York. Cafe Comato, 286 Broome street, come kick with us one to six. We'll be there selling some merch, talking. You coming through Coffee vibes, pops? Yeah, pull up.

[Rory]

You gotta monitor the playlist that. That you sent over to Ryan.

[Mall]

Yeah, you gotta just stand outside with the.

[Zip]

All he gotta do is hit shuffle on that. That. As long as the crowd is a New York centric crowd, he gonna be good money.

[Rory]

Ryan doesn't know his intern hazing yet. He's gonna have to babysit my daughter for five hours. He doesn't. He has. He does not know that, man. Oh, he doesn't know that. He's about to sit at the backyard. She's three and she's like a terror. Three.

[Zip]

She's not like a regular three, five hours. I would tell you.

[Rory]

I would tell, like, I don't know, 10 years older than Genie.

[Zip]

Yeah. Give you anything you wish for. He's a genie.

[Rory]

In that back that backyard behind the cafe and just figure out things to do with tomorrow.

[Zip]

This nigga's a genie.

[Rory]

She gonna say, chase me for six hours with him.

[Mall]

Oh, my God. But either way, if you're in the city, come by, come check us out. Cafe Comado, 286 Main Street. Man. We'll be there for a few hours. One to six, six having fun. This. This Saturday. So, yeah, if you're in the city, we'll see you then. If not, we'll talk to you soon. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that he's a ginger. That's Netflix zit.

[Zip]

Ah, let's get to that.

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