New Rory & Mal: Best of 2025 | Part 2

Summary

New Rory & Mal: Best of 2025 | Part 2

Release Date: January 2, 2026
Podcast: New Rory & Mal – iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

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Episode Overview

This “Best of 2025 | Part 2” episode is a lively mosaic of the most memorable moments, laughs, and unexpected debates from New Rory & Mal. The hosts reflect on cultural phenomena from flat Earth conspiracies to the legacy of D’Angelo, and dissect the state of music, fan culture, and personal growth. The episode features witty banter, vulnerable reflections, and a signature unfiltered take on music, pop culture, and personal evolution.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

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The Great Space & Flat Earth Debate

[03:24 – 12:36]

• Conspiracy Theories & Public Skepticism

  • Maul raises doubts about commonly accepted images of earth from satellites. The conversation playfully spirals into questioning the legitimacy of recent private space flights and the moon landing.
  • Notable skepticism of how billionaire space tourists (“Cosmic Cunts”—Maul, [03:48]) experience space without proper gear.

• Celebrity Space Voyagers

  • Maul criticizes Katy Perry's ethereal description of her “space experience,” craving real science talk instead of “love and connection.” He also mocks Jeff Bezos’ wife's lack of visible side-effects from leaving gravity.
  • “And then you have fucking Katy Perry describing what the fuck happened. Why would you pick her?...We're talking science.”—Maul ([04:22])

• Cultural Commentary

  • Jokes on star guests (“Gayle King, Oprah’s stunt double”) and pseudo-scientists' inclusion for credibility.
  • Satire about the shifting meaning of “space” (“safe space in space”).

• Flat Earthers in Antarctica

  • Mall shares the story of Flat Earthers going to Antarctica to prove their theory, only to abandon it when confronted by the 24-hour sun and then getting exiled by their own community.
  • “They camped out. That sun stayed there. And they were like, that's CGI. That's AI...” – Mall ([11:03])

• Critical Take on Internet Misinformation

  • The crew exposes the ease with which misinformation about flights is spread in flat Earth circles.
  • “They just put out misinformation as a fact.” – Mall ([13:07])

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Dame Dash vs. The Breakfast Club: The Viral Interview

[13:28 – 24:51]

• The Dame Dash Interview Legacy

  • Recounting Dame Dash’s most recent and wildest Breakfast Club appearance, where interviews devolve into absurdity, with few actual questions answered.
  • “Every time he's done it, it's a classic. ... He has the greatest Breakfast Club discography of all time.” – Mall ([14:48])

• Absurd Exchanges

  • The interview erupts into mutual accusations (Charlemagne calling Dame broke, Dame calling Charlemagne gay) with audience and crew dragged in for on-the-spot votes.
  • “How do you argue with someone? And when you ask a valid question, the only response ... is 'it's because you’re gay.'” – Mall ([20:16])
  • “Dame became a chairman in the middle of calling somebody that has been on Revolt gay. Everything was insane...” – Mall ([15:38])

• Chairman Saga

  • Discussion on Dame's claim that he was the new Chairman of Revolt, which was later denied by the network. Mall suspects it was just a power play for the interview.

• Reflections on the Interview’s Value

  • Despite the chaos, the hosts praise Dame for his art of going viral, saying whatever he wants, and being unapologetically himself.
  • “Anybody that has the ability to do that, people are gonna watch it. ... Dame is not crazy. Dame is crazy. Dame is definitely crazy. His methods ... are a little unconventional, but he's had success in being unconventional.” – Dixon ([24:01])

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Tribute: Remembering D’Angelo

[29:52 – 40:31]

• D’Angelo’s Legacy

  • The hosts pay heartfelt tribute to D’Angelo, recalling how his artistry impacted their lives and R&B as a whole.
  • “Like, you can't compare his voice or style to any other artist, period... He changed the face of music during it." – Mall ([30:29])
  • They reflect on the loss, noting how D’Angelo remained out of headlines, focused on music and privacy.

• Personal Anecdotes

  • Dixon and Mall share personal stories, like being at Electric Lady studio and marveling at just occupying the same space D’Angelo once did.
  • “We like didn't work for an hour and a half because we were just sitting there talking like, yo, like, D'Angelo sat right here.” – Mall ([35:17])

• Rumors of More Music

  • Discussion about D’Angelo reportedly working on six projects before his passing, and hope for meaningful posthumous releases.

• On Misguided Tributes

  • Discussion about Benzino’s parody of the famous "Untitled" D’Angelo video as both disrespectful and laughable, even though it predated D’Angelo’s death.
  • “Some tributes should just be, like, kept in the tuck.” – Mall ([38:16])

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Music Consumption in 2026: Too Much?

[41:38 – 54:10]

• The Stream-Driven Overload

  • Dixon laments the volume and pace of releases, making it impossible to build deep connections to albums anymore.
  • “It just feels like you always playing catch up when it comes to your favorite music.” – Dixon ([51:55])

• Nostalgia for the Past

  • Hosts recall the days of waiting by the radio and tapes, the thrill of scarcity, and the shared moments music created before streaming.
  • “You shouldn't have that much access to art at any time. It's a catch 22. ... It did definitely take away from the moments you have with music.” – Mall ([57:14])

• Impact on Artists & Fans

  • Fast-release cycles force artists to work harder for core fans and accept that casual listeners may barely notice them.
  • “You trying to. I get it. You got to grow and get more fans, but the best way possible... it's still the core that’s really going to matter and return, and that's the only people you really should feed.” – Mall ([48:31])

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The Power of Fanbase: NBA YoungBoy’s Arena Tour

[63:49 – 76:06]

• NBA YoungBoy’s Ascendancy

  • The crew is in awe of YoungBoy’s ability to sell out arenas and inspire diehard fans who know every lyric, even if his music hasn’t touched them personally yet.
  • “If you go out on stage as an artist... there's nothing probably greater than looking out into a fucking arena, and everybody knows every word you're saying. … So to see that and to see everybody so, like, just turned up and you know what I’m saying? … that's an artist’s dream.” – Dixon ([65:00])

• Generational Divide

  • Rory admits his age and biases have kept him from the NBA YoungBoy wave, but he wants to catch the energy from the viral TikToks.
  • “I want to feel this passionately about music.... I want to feel that, I'm a boss' feeling again.” – Rory ([68:55])

• Dangerous Concerts

  • Discussion of the most “dangerous” shows they’ve attended and the unique energy different fan bases bring.
  • “There was so much tension in that small, small venue. Yeah, that was probably the... the one time I been at a show where I'm like, I don't know if it's worth staying in here.” – Mall ([80:36])

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Vulnerable Reflections: Forgiveness, Ego, and Self-Growth

[83:49 – 98:04]

• Forgiveness and Maturity

  • Rory asks about the possibility of truly forgiving someone while not letting them back in your life.
  • “I think that energy is just on you. But when you forgive, you’re like, listen, it's all good. … you have to be at that point in your life. ... As God has forgiven us for our sins... you battle.” – Dixon ([84:23])

• Ego and Relationships

  • A deep discussion on the challenges of letting go of ego, being tit-for-tat, and the role of insecurity in relationship habits.
  • “There's an insecurity in making sure nobody plays with me. ... I don't like that feeling of, like, not being in control or somebody knowing something that I don't know.” – Rory ([95:30])

• How to Grow

  • Dixon advises recognizing and working on these flaws as a sign of maturing.
  • “You start looking at shit like, that was stupid. Oh, I should have never said that. I should have never did that.” – Dixon ([93:43])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Quote | Speaker | |-----------|-------|---------| | 04:22 | “And then you have fucking Katy Perry describing what the fuck happened. Why would you pick her?...We're talking science.” | Maul | | 11:03 | “They camped out. That sun stayed there. And they were like, that's CGI. That's AI...” | Mall | | 14:48 | “He has the greatest Breakfast Club discography of all time. When he put out the first one, it was like, how could he ever top that?” | Mall | | 20:16 | “How do you argue with someone? And when you ask a valid question, the only response ... is 'it's because you’re gay.'” | Mall | | 30:29 | “You can't compare his voice or style to any other artist, period... He changed the face of music during it.” | Mall | | 41:38 | “It just feels like you always playing catch up when it comes to your favorite music.” | Dixon | | 65:00 | “If you go out on stage as an artist... there's nothing probably greater than looking out into a fucking arena, and everybody knows every word you're saying. … that's an artist’s dream.” | Dixon | | 93:43 | “You start looking at shit like, that was stupid. Oh, I should have never said that. I should have never did that.” | Dixon | | 95:30 | "There's an insecurity in making sure nobody plays with me. ... I don't like that feeling of, like, not being in control..." | Rory |

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Important Timestamps

• Space and Flat Earth Debate: [03:24 – 12:36]
• Dame Dash Breakfast Club Interview Recap: [13:28 – 24:51]
• D’Angelo Tribute: [29:52 – 40:31]
• Music Consumption Culture & Streaming: [41:38 – 54:10]
• NBA YoungBoy Fanbase & Concert Culture: [63:49 – 76:06]
• Forgiveness, Ego, and Growth: [83:49 – 98:04]

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Tone and Style

The episode is hilarious, self-aware, and at times deeply vulnerable. The hosts riff on pop culture with irreverence, deconstruct music industry trends with insight, and get real about life’s toughest questions—all with the easy camaraderie and wit that define New Rory & Mal.

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For New Listeners

If you missed this episode, expect a whirlwind of genuine laughs, shrewd commentary on the state of the culture, and candid moments about growing as a person in a rapidly changing world. From trolling flat Earthers to mourning D’Angelo, and learning why NBA YoungBoy’s shows look lit even from the outside, it’s a quintessential slice of 2025 cultural conversation, as only Rory, Mal, and their crew can deliver.

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[Dixon]

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[Maul]

What if those pictures that we have seen of the earth are fake? What if they are? Because we don't. We're not satellites.

[Dixon]

We have.

[Maul]

I haven't. I'm not Superman. Where I can fly and go, ah, it is round. What if they're lying to us because we're here on the planet? We don't know what the they're doing up there.

[Dixon]

Right.

[Maul]

They could be. I'm saying they could be lying.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Maul]

With the moon landing. I, you know, the moon landing.

[Mall]

I'm still on the side of them.

[Maul]

I'm doubting that, you know, especially after those space cunts went up there.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Maul]

I'm sorry. The Cosmic Concert.

[Mall]

Yeah. Call them by the proper names. The Cosmic Hunts.

[Maul]

The Cosmic Cunts.

[Dixon]

Went up.

[Mall]

Did they go up? Those didn't go to space.

[Maul]

There was some air. And their. First of all, where's your helmet?

[Dixon]

At minimum, like, first of all, where's your pressure suit?

[Maul]

They'd even have at least motorcycle helmets.

[Mall]

I saw.

[Maul]

They could go like this.

[Dixon]

Wow, we're in bed.

[Maul]

I'm just saying. I don't mean to insult him, but I was just like. And you. And then you have fucking Katy Perry describing what the fuck happened. Why would you pick her? She's like, it was just love. Love and connection and just love. And we were just there and connect. What the are you talking about? We're talking Science like, hey, I felt the gravitational pull. And then Bezos's wife with that, you would think that she had all that face done that the gravity would have.

[Dixon]

Her whole.

[Maul]

Would have like. Oh my God.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Maul]

My whole operation her would have been like. You see what it looked like a. Yeah, it was out. No, there was no effect on that.

[Dixon]

Yeah, yeah.

[Maul]

So I was like, we're. And then they were like this. We're in fast.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Maul]

If you're in space, if you're on a high speed train, you're like this.

[Dixon]

Oh, right.

[Maul]

If you're old.

[Dixon]

You know, I do that getting off the fdr.

[Maul]

You're like, oh, God damn. But you're in space and you're just going.

[Mall]

Look at my Daisy.

[Maul]

Oh my God. A David meant Canuckshot. And then they came out like, yeah, if you come from space, you're like, yeah.

[Dixon]

That was like, you know. Yeah.

[Maul]

And then Bezos tried to open the door. They already opened it up. He was like, close it.

[Dixon]

Take two.

[Maul]

He's like, yeah, we saw it.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Mall]

No X to make sure it's wife is okay. Yes.

[Kelly Williams]

And.

[Maul]

And you know what? And then it's like you can't.

[Cam Jordan]

We.

[Maul]

Our bodies can't handle those kind of forces. You. You know when you're in an airplane 35,000ft and your pressure and then. Come on. There's pilots that go higher than that.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Maul]

The you talk. These pilots are up there with helmets on it. Oxygen.

[Dixon]

And you.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Maul]

And you're higher than they are, but you're like, yeah. Spell.

[Mall]

Yeah. These are the people. These are the people.

[Maul]

Like Spock, we have to go in turbo. He's like this Captain, I don't think.

[Dixon]

We can make that.

[Maul]

He's like, damn it.

[Mall]

Even on tv, this makes no sense.

[Maul]

Even Star Trek look like real space.

[Dixon]

Like, yeah, I don't think we can make it.

[Maul]

I think that force will suck us in.

[Dixon]

Spock, we have to get there spot right?

[Maul]

And these like, yeah, yeah, we were there.

[Mall]

It's love.

[Maul]

It was connection.

[Dixon]

Like it was brunch.

[Maul]

It's not time for feminism in that high altitude. The is wrong with you any gender in space connection.

[Mall]

And what the not that she found about love up there. It was the fact that she decided two days later that she needed to learn how to walk again.

[Maul]

Did you see that concert she was doing? That was trash. Her concert was garbage. Straight. That was so bad.

[Dixon]

She was.

[Maul]

She was. I said maybe she did go. She had rickets.

[Mall]

They left her up there.

[Maul]

Sheets. Gravitational forces done her knees up.

[Dixon]

Oh, My.

[Maul]

That's when she was in that dressed as a. That was. At least she should have been dressed in that to go to space. Yeah, but there were all these sexy suits. And then there's Gayle King, right. And there's Oprah's body double. And then I call her Oprah's stunt double. Because if Oprah's like in a car scene and she rolls out, it's Gail.

[Dixon]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Maul]

And there's two scientists who are real SC.

[Rory]

This.

[Dixon]

The girl.

[Maul]

That's the Vietnamese girl who was actually, you know, she was like sexually assaulted when she was a science. Yeah, she's gone through a lot. She's actually a real astrophysicist or whatever. And the black girl, it's the. The in the middle. There's the Vietnamese. No, the Vietnamese chick in the front. That's the lowest. And the black. They're two real astral site. So I think they brought them in to just keep the hoax going. But it was some bull. They went straight to Katy Perry first. And I said, oh, this is they up.

[Dixon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Maul]

She's like. It was just love. And not sure.

[Mall]

I'm not.

[Dixon]

We're just that she was on love.

[Mall]

Gail, like kind of had a little sassy attitude. Like when she was like this.

[Maul]

Like, she's like, have you been to space? Then you tell me. I'm sorry.

[Mall]

We ask you what happened up there.

[Maul]

Your friend is Jeff Bezos. Space cost a million dollars a ticket. I just did. I was just on kayak to get my ticket to go to North Carolina. You talking about. I was using my flyer miles and negotiate it. Just trying to go a two hour flight and you talking about, have you been this. That's when I knew it. I'm sorry. Have you been to space? So when you get to space, let me know. Have you been to space? No, we haven't. You're the only ones that have obviously been there. Because you were right.

[Dixon]

That's why.

[Maul]

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

[Dixon]

Right, right.

[Mall]

Flint doesn't have clean water. And you went to space for funsies.

[Dixon]

Oh my God. I totally forgot about that.

[Mall]

That Flint didn't have clean water.

[Dixon]

No, I went to Flint. I'm talking about this space voyage that Gail King and him went on.

[Maul]

People don't believe it. Been to space? If I have a friend named Jeff B. A friend at Jeff Bezos, I'll go right. And he'll pay for my tick. But you didn't go to space. Have you been to space? You Obviously haven't either, because you're not explaining anything to us. You could have been like, well, the gravitational forces, it was really amazing. We saw. Then we saw cosmic dust and just some space talk. Like you could have be at least like, we. I think we saw like Haley's comet come by, right?

[Dixon]

And we saw there's an asteroid.

[Mall]

We.

[Maul]

We were able to see, you know, the moon, the craters and I mean, I know some science. Like, tell us something, right? You were like this. Have you been to space? Well, if you don't know space, shut your ass up. And you know how they use the word space now, just in general. I just love this space that we're in.

[Dixon]

Yeah, yeah.

[Maul]

You know, that's kid.

[Dixon]

That's what that was.

[Maul]

We were in a space in space. It was sort of a safe space in space, which was sort of space. Like they were nice and it's spacecraft. So everything's about.

[Dixon]

Everything's about space.

[Maul]

Respect our spacey. That I'm spacey from the space. And in this space, I was able to really be in a safe place of space. And this is a good working space for me. And, you know, and people who don't know about this space know nothing about space.

[Dixon]

So where are you? On the side of the flat Earth?

[Mall]

I still want to take Lord Jamar to Antarctica.

[Maul]

Do you remember when they did the experiment? They recently $35,000 a piece for these flat Earthers to go to because they say that Antarctica, there's an end at Antarctica. There's some other, like, big land. Okay. There's a wall.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Mall]

So this dude's like, on the other side.

[Maul]

I'm right.

[Mall]

I'm curious. There's a Rothschild island right there. Go to Google Maps.

[Maul]

Is there a Rothschild island in Antarctica? Yeah, I believe that.

[Mall]

No, it's a fact.

[Maul]

Snow castle.

[Mall]

I'm. No, listen, I'm saying that the Earth is round. I'm also saying that the Rothchilds own an island in Antarctica.

[Dixon]

And I believe that along with that.

[Maul]

It could be the. The Rothschilds, the Rockefeller. Yeah, I believe all that.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Maul]

Now, but as far as like, he goes, okay, I'm gonna take you guys to Antarctica, fly you all out. This guy scientist paid 35,000 a piece. Yeah, I got the money. And then we're gonna sit there and watch the sun. If the sun stays in the air, stays out for 24 hours, it. The Earth's round. They were like, okay, bet. And they camped out. That sun stayed there. And they were like, that's cgi. That's AI they.

[Mall]

All right, so they were there. They took, like, Flat Earther influencers. Like, they took the Kendall Jenner of Flat Earth down there, right? And then when they got there, there was like, yo, now the 24 hour sun exists. Like, we.

[Maul]

Yeah, yeah, it's. It's real.

[Mall]

Then they exiled them like some Scientology. Like, they kicked them out of the Flat Earther community.

[Maul]

Yeah, they're out.

[Mall]

Because they were like, guys, I was there. I promise you that was not.

[Maul]

They were. And if. And they're like, it's round. Earth is round.

[Dixon]

It's.

[Maul]

It's recognized.

[Dixon]

So now they kicked out of the fraternity.

[Maul]

Yes, kicked out. You're out of here. You think it's fucking road. You think it's a sphere?

[Atlanta Is Podcast Host]

You're out of here, asshole.

[Mall]

And the Internet is just the worst place. Because when I was how they make.

[Maul]

Their money, though, I wasn't even looking.

[Mall]

At the flat Earth shit. When I started on that rabbit hole, they were telling me, like, yo, there's no flights from Argentina to Australia. And I was like, damn, why is that the case? Then I went on Priceline. I'm like, no, you could fly. Like, they just put out misinformation as a fact.

[Maul]

If you don't double check, it doesn't go to Trinidad. I just found that out yesterday. They don't. So.

[Mall]

So it's got to be a triangle. If you look at the black Trinidad.

[Maul]

To go there, Jet Blue does, though.

[Dixon]

Yeah, you can get there.

[Maul]

They show the lines. Jet Blue has more lies.

[Dixon]

Now we're going to Trinidad.

[Maul]

No wor.

[Mall]

Now feel like we have to give Maul some flowers here. I mean, it's no secret that his brother and his crew created the term pause. And then Maul took the torch. And very bravely, in 2025, was one of the only people that when you say something that has nothing to do with sexuality, he says, that's because you're gay. And then the torch was passed back to Dame and the crew. You earned. Like, this is a legacy. This is a legacy of homophobia. That I think is just incredible that now they're taking your phrases and making them.

[Dixon]

I'm homophobic.

[Mall]

Oh, you know, I don't think you're homophobic.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

Did you watch this? Dame Dash and Charlemagne.

[Dixon]

I watched it three times, Rory.

[Mall]

This.

[Dixon]

It's the greatest show on earth right now.

[Mall]

Let me say Breakfast Club as well, because they were all there. This is probably the first interview I've watched twice in maybe five years.

[Dixon]

Yeah, I don't watch anything other than, like, maybe A movie or a series. When you talk about interviews and things like that, I watch clips and things like that. But this. This Dame Breakfast Club interview was just another one to add, because I think every time he's done it, it's a classic. I don't think he's ever done a Breakfast Club interview.

[Mall]

He has the greatest Breakfast Club discography of all time. When he put out the first one, it was like, how could he ever top that?

[Dixon]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

No, this one we didn't know what we had coming.

[Rory]

So what exactly happened for the people that haven't watched it? Because I only seen a clip, and the clip I saw with Charlemagne saying, raise your hand if you think Dame is broke. And I. I was screaming. I'm like, yo, what the is going on in this interview? But I didn't watch the whole thing.

[Mall]

Well, that was after an hour and a half of things being off the rails. And anytime Charlemagne said anything, Dane would say, well, that's because you're gay. So then Charlemagne at some point started to get. Not frustrated. He played into a well and was like. Like, raise your hand if you think Dame is broke. And then Dame said, raise your hand if you think Charlamagne is gay. This was one of the crowds.

[Dixon]

Oh, I thought she was telling the room.

[Mall]

Yeah. No, honestly.

[Dixon]

Okay.

[Mall]

Before we get into this, I would say I apologize for some of my Charlemagne hate of the complex list. Yeah. This could put you at number one after this interview. This is the greatest I've ever seen in my life.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Because even, like before, when Envy and Charlemagne trying to talk or argue with Dame is one of the hardest things on Earth. So the way they handled it of, like, really playing into it made it one of the greatest interviews I've ever seen in my entire life. But where do we even begin? Nothing was covered. I just want to make that clear. We got no answers on anything. No real questions were asked. Dame became a chairman in the middle of calling somebody that has been on Revolt gay. Everything was insane. He was standing up. He was. I was like, how is the mic even still picking him up? He's running laps around the table. It was the craziest thing I have ever seen.

[Dixon]

It was cool because Dame, he. He went up there. Well, he had announcements. We don't know how true those announcements are, but he had announcements, and he wanted. He wanted to use that as an opportunity for Charlamagne or Envy to say things that they may have said about Dame when he wasn't there. Like, okay, let's talk about it now. And Dame, he started it with, I'm not gonna get upset. I'm not gonna yell. You're not gonna trigger me, but just don't cut me off. Let me answer so that you can understand what I'm saying. So he went up there with the right energy. He went up there with the energy to kind of answer any things that they may have been saying about him saying he's broke. And whatever they may have been saying, it's like. So Dane was trying to explain, like, if I've been paying 250,000 a year in child support for the last however many years, is that person broke. Like, these are the things that you. You know. So Dan, he went up there trying to teach them and say, you know, y' all don't know because y' all are stuck in this box in this coffin every day. So y' all don't know what's really going on. Y' all don't know business. So it started as trying to shed light on some of the things that they may have been hearing about Dame in so many ways. I think that you and I both know some of the things that Dame is doing legally to where it's like, okay, you know, we get it. We understand he was giving away a.

[Mall]

Little too much on that down to the family office.

[Dixon]

I was like, so, you know, it's like, we understand, but I think he went up there just to have a con. But then in Dame fashion, it has to be entertaining. It has to be, you know, him, you know, talking shit about somebody in the room, like, snapping on him. It has to. That's Dame. That's who he is. And it made for a great. Another classic Dame Dash Breakfast Club interview. Now, some of the things he was saying, his announcements with the chairman thing and all at Revolt, then I guess the president of Revolt came out and said that that wasn't true. We don't know if he's saying it's not true, meaning it's not happening or it hasn't happened yet. Maybe there are talks of it happening, but as of. I guess still today, I don't think that they've come out and released a statement saying that he is the chairman.

[Mall]

So again, because so much dancing and manipulation was happening throughout the entire interview, he briefly said, which I don't know how to fully interpret, he was saying that he has a certain amount of time to. To buy it, I guess, like, he was the chairman, but there's only a window where he has. He has to make a choice of whether he's acquiring this or not.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Mall]

So I guess officially he wouldn't be, but the. It was offered, so if he wants to be, he could be. I'm not going to sit here and try to explain it because I didn't fully understand.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Mall]

But I. When they came out and said that was all false, I was like, I went back to that part, and that's where I think he was explaining, like, he has a window, and if he wants to take it, he can take it. If he doesn't, then he's going to move on. And I think he may have just taken. Like when you put. When your house is in escrow.

[Dixon]

Okay.

[Mall]

I think he may have took an escrow role at Revolt as the chairman. Not officially. Just so he could get back at Cam publicly. And I don't think he will be taking that Revolt Chairman Joe. I think that was all just a play to be able to go to Breakfast Club and say, cam, I'm your boss now.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I thought he was gonna have way more smoke for Envy outside of the first one. Envy was the one on Instagram last week in front of all his cars. Like, this is what not being a boss gets you. After Dame had. Had filed chapter 11, I thought he was going to come with Envy Smoke. I didn't know he was going to be calling Charlemagne gay for two hours.

[Dixon]

Did he file chapter 11 or chapter 7?

[Mall]

Chapter 7. I'm sorry.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Mall]

But.

[Dixon]

Classic, though.

[Mall]

How do you argue with somebody when. Because even towards the end, Charlemagne tried to get it back on. On at least subject. How do you argue with someone? And when you ask a valid question, the only response they have at that point is, is, it's because you're gay. The funniest way, in the beginning, they were cutting Dame off, but then they stopped, and then Dame would ask them a question and they try to answer, like, stop cutting me off. Like, you just ask me a question. I'm answering your question, bro.

[Dixon]

That shit is a classic, though. That's a classic. Classic. Breakfast Club 1000. Like, it's the first. I saw a clip first, and I said, oh, no, I gotta watch. Like, I can't. I can't just watch clips. I have to watch it. Because I knew just that energy that Dame had in that clip that I was watching and him calling Charlemagne gay. I was just like, oh, yeah, this is another classic about the album.

[Mall]

And this is why you just can't argue with anybody from uptown, because they have this strategy and you do it too, where you get other people involved in the room that want Nothing to do with it.

[Rory]

It.

[Mall]

And then they sit there awkwardly. Like, when he was arguing with Charlemagne, he went over to Jess. Jess hadn't said a word yet. And I forgot exactly what it was. So I'll use an example. Jess, is he gay? Yes or no. Is he gay? And Jess is like, I'm not. I don't. Dudes from uptown, that's how they argue in rooms. They just bring in other people and be like, yo, yes or no? Like, dude, I'm not in this. I have no. All right, but don't try to use me to prove your point. And then when you do that, they're like, see?

[Dixon]

See, he thinks.

[Mall]

He thinks the same thing.

[Dixon]

I mean. Well, Envy said he thought Charlemagne was gay too, though. He just said, I think he's kind of gay too. So it's like.

[Rory]

I don't think Envy was being, like, funny. Like, that's his co host. Like, that's like, if Roy said that.

[Mall]

About one of us, like, well, I mean, you are.

[Rory]

And you are too, nigga. Now what?

[Dixon]

He's gay.

[Mall]

You can't steal.

[Dixon]

He's not gay.

[Rory]

You sound like you want me to convince you that he's not gay. You sound like you want me to convince him.

[Dixon]

No, no, no, it's not gay. You can't do that because you gay. Like, that's. That's on record.

[Kelly Williams]

What?

[Rory]

So no gay.

[Mall]

Like, are you trying to recruit me? Like, I don't.

[Dixon]

This. Rory's not on record doing gay. Like, don't do that. Don't even start that.

[Mall]

I'm not on record or off record.

[Rory]

I was about to say so, cuz.

[Mall]

He not a single record, y'.

[Rory]

All.

[Mall]

Because at one time, I did get a lot of. And I must have been gay at that time.

[Dixon]

No, no, you wasn't getting the type of.

[Rory]

We like you.

[Mall]

Really?

[Kelly Williams]

That's why you was trying to defend it.

[Rory]

And I wanted to say in my head, Rory, you wasn't getting that type of. That we talking about.

[Dixon]

Yeah, like, you wasn't. And you wasn't like, like in a. See, we were saying, like, when you're in a really a healthy relationship and you just can't stop.

[Mall]

Oh, no, we got off the relationship part then. We were just going into. Just getting mad. Like, if you just a lot and, like, run through girls, you're gay.

[Rory]

Yes, we did not say that.

[Dixon]

But okay, yeah, we left it. We was talking. We saw my energy. You're just cheating on your girl. Like, you're my knock. Serial cheater.

[Mall]

No, I'm saying Just like Koface on tour.

[Dixon]

No, no, no, no. That's not the same.

[Mall]

Different city.

[Dixon]

Like, we're saying you have.

[Mall]

You just have a queen. Just saver as Tennessee.

[Dixon]

We've all been there. Love Miss Tennessee. Love her. I wonder how she's doing in life. But, yeah, this Breakfast Club interview, though, was definitely one for the red. But Dame has. People say what they want. Dame has the ability to, like, sit on a platform and, like, you know, I guess, go viral whenever he wants. He has that, like. He's that type of personality. He's, you know, he speaks about. He says whatever the fuck he wants to say. He's not apologetic about what he wants to say. And then he says shit like, I'm the chairman of Revolt, and people are just like. But Revolt says you're not.

[Mall]

And then he calls them liars. Yeah, like, you posted on his Instagram and says, this is a lie.

[Dixon]

So it's like, you know, anybody that has the ability to do that, you know, then this is. People are gonna watch it. People love that type of shit where it's just like, yo, this dude is crazy. But Dame is not crazy. Dame is crazy. Dame is definitely crazy. His methods and, you know, the way he goes about things are a little unconventional, but he's had success in being unconventional, so that doesn't matter. Yeah, I just think the fact that he was up there and, you know, it kind of got a little. Little tension between him and Charlamagne is what kind of made that whole thing like, oh, no, I gotta watch this.

[Mall]

But I mean, they both handled it very well because it could have went left. And I liked how both of them had that understanding thing, because even when Dame was like, I could punch you in your face right now. You would do nothing. I would never do that. But you're feminine. Like, you're proud. You were proud of running. Yeah, I'm proud of staying and get my ass whooped.

[Brad Palumbo]

Right.

[Mall]

You're gay. It's like, wait, damn.

[Dixon]

Yeah. You didn't do the math.

[Mall]

Like, that's dating.

[Dixon]

No, you got to do the gay math. Yeah. Like, you ran. I wouldn't. Yeah, you gay.

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[Maul]

I'm going to take Francesca off the network entirely.

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[Dixon]

So refreshing to have have the press secretary after the last few years who's both intelligent and articulate.

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[Telma Hopkins]

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[Telma Hopkins]

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[Maul]

Like if we're on the air here and I literally have my contract here and I'm looking at, you know, as soon as I sign this, I'm gonna get a seven figure check. I've told them I won't be working here in two weeks.

[Rory]

Weeks.

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[Dixon]

I really just had never experienced anything like what was going on in the city as far as, like, you know, seeing so many young, black, affluent creatives in all walks of life.

[Maul]

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[Rory]

And that's like, how you know, like, okay.

[Dixon]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

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[Rory]

Maybe the industry thinks that we just.

[Dixon]

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[Mall]

When they maybe started paying attention.

[Ashley Reifeld]

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[Mall]

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[Mall]

We do need to start by saying rest in peace to one of the greatest musicians, singers, artists of our time, d' Angelo Yeah, this, this was one of those. This like when artists die or celebrities die sometimes, like, oh, it sucks. But this, this one, like, hurt like, oh, I felt like I, I know him.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And I've never met him. Yeah, yeah, this, this. I don't even know where to begin on this one. How many times in the last 10 years of podcasting have we just discussed how D' Angelo is one of our favorite artists ever? Anytime we have an R B debate, first name we bringing up, like, like he was one of them.

[Dixon]

Absolutely.

[Mall]

Like, you can't compare his voice or style to any other artist, period, whether B pop, R and B, neo, whatever. He, I mean, he, he was a goat with, you know, three albums that he spread out and each generation and era that he put an album out. He changed the face of music during it.

[Dixon]

Absolutely.

[Mall]

So, yeah, I mean, you know, condolences to his family, definitely to his son, definitely. Probably rough year for him losing both parents. So prayers and condolences to his son as well as his daughter too. But did you ever have the privilege of meeting d'? Angelo?

[Dixon]

He was in the studio one night. I forgot whose session it was. He was in the studio, but I never had the privilege of having an actual one on one conversation and kicking it with him and giving him his flowers. But, you know, when you say D', Angelo, you know, for somebody growing up in the 90s, we call that the golden era of music. R B especially. D' Angelo was, was the guy that, you know, absolutely changed the style. You know, you used to seeing musicians look a certain way. You're not used to seeing musicians with the, the talent level of it. D' Angelo would have cornrows and, you know, leather jackets and no shirt. Like, it was like, you know, he just changed the style of what musicians look like, especially in the 90s. Like he just came in and was, you know, just completely, completely just changed the sound and energy in R and B soul. So many people that are an extension of his talent and his musical genius. So receiving that news of his passing was definitely heavy. Like, you know, Cause d' Angelo was never somebody that was. Was ever really in the headlines. No. So it's easy to kind of like not think about d' Angelo unless you like hearing his music or like, you, you know, he happens to be working on a new project. So when, you know, I forgot who hit the chat and was like, d' Angelo passed, I was like, I read that. I was like, whoa. Yeah, you know, I mean, just reading that was just like, that's somebody he Wasn't expecting to just, you know, read that Pat passed away. But after privately, you know, battling the illness and things like that, that, you know, the family decided to keep that, you know, because he was. Again, he was not. D' Angelo wasn't somebody that was ever really in the headlines. Yeah, it wasn't nothing negative, you know, it was just like, if it wasn't about music, if he wasn't performing, you didn't know what d' Angelo was doing. And I think that's the way he wanted it. That's the way he, you know, as part of his mystique and his aura was strictly about the music and his talent. But so young, you know, to pass away at 51, and his talent, man, you know, obviously had to live on. His music lives on. But, yeah, d' Angelo was. Was one of the greats. You know, for him to no longer be with us, you know, so soon, it's just like. It just kind of like, you know, puts you in a fog, because you can't really, like, damn, like, that fast so soon, like, but, you know, one of the greatest. Remember listening to, you know, lady and Brown Sugar being in high school, like, he was just the soundtrack. If you was, like, had a crush on a girl, you had to play d'. Angelo. You had to, like, you know, if it was a talent show, it was like, who gonna sing d'? Angelo? Like, everybody can't do it.

[Mall]

Who's gonna try to do that? It's probably not gonna work out.

[Dixon]

D', Angelo, like, he was just the coolest of the cool man. So prayers and condolences to his family. Left an incredible legacy. You know, just. Somebody just had so much musical integrity and so much style and did it his way. So, yeah, man, it's a terrible loss for the culture and for music. But, you know, his work is here, his music is here. The people that he influenced is here. The artists that he worked with is still here. So, you know, his music and his art lives on, for sure.

[Mall]

Yeah. When I was working for Kevin Lyles, he was working with d', Angelo, I guess you could say, managing d' Angelo at that time for the the Black Messiah album. And d', Angelo, you know, obviously never came to the office. Never was, like, you know, part of any meetings or anything. But when I say anytime Kev would play, like, a song from that album before it came out, like, we would all just gather around, like, the media room door, like children, and just put our ear to the side, like, to try to hear that shit. So, like, seeing that Project from an office standpoint, completely come together was like. Like, just an honor to be next to somebody that was working with d'. Angelo. Like, I had nothing whatsoever to do. I was just in the office. But that was, like, one of the coolest times ever of, like, damn, I'm listening to a d' Angelo project right now that, like, nobody's heard.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Mall]

But, yeah, I. Me and Dixon were in Electric lady, which is a very famous studio in New York City where, you know, d' Angelo recorded most of his work. So Aquarians from Eric Badu, everyone, you know, recorded out of there. We, like, didn't work for, like, an hour and a half because we were just sitting there talking like, yo, you like d' Angelo sat right here.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, we shouldn't be allowed in this. Like, why are we. Why are we working in here? Yeah, this is nuts. Like, that's the same booth.

[Dixon]

Incredible talent, man.

[Mall]

So, yeah, rest in peace. Again, I don't know if you have any d' Angelo memories. No, not, like, personal.

[Rory]

Just, like, you guys covered everything. He's a good job.

[Mall]

Yeah, I did see, and I'm not sure if this was a rumor or confirmed that. That prior to his death, he was working on. Did it say, like, six different projects or something he was working on?

[Dixon]

That wouldn't surprise me.

[Mall]

So, I mean, hopefully that means, you know, we're still gonna get d' Angelo music that he would want out, not just some that a label threw together with old DAT tapes. But, yeah, he was privately battling pancreatic cancer, so it wouldn't surprise me if he. He was planning these projects for after his death. So, you know, I hope we get to at least hear those sometime soon.

[Dixon]

Absolutely.

[Mall]

But, yeah, I don't really know how to turn. Turn them around. Benzino, this was just a perfect example.

[Dixon]

Of sometimes d' Angelo to Benzinos, because.

[Mall]

I know. I know.

[Dixon]

That's absolutely crazy.

[Mall]

Like, it's a perfect example of, like, sometimes honoring legends that have passed. Like, you should just sit out sometimes. We don't need to know what. In, like, what influences you had from him after his death. Because I do believe that Benzino was influenced by d'. Angelo. All of us were. But I didn't need to see, like, exactly how Benzino was influenced.

[Rory]

Okay. I cannot. Okay.

[Dixon]

No, I don't think. I don't think Benzino was influenced by d'. Angelo. Like, in. About Benzino's music. Nothing that I think this is just. We call it. This is cloud chasing. I think that's exactly what this is.

[Mall]

Nah, he was doing it.

[Rory]

Or is this.

[Mall]

Yeah, he was. Come on. He was giving d' Angelo his flowers before.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's. Yeah. He didn't just do that when he. Angelo died.

[Mall]

That would be nuts.

[Maul]

But.

[Dixon]

Oh, he didn't just do this.

[Mall]

No, it's still nuts.

[Dixon]

So he had this in the vault.

[Rory]

Oh.

[Mall]

Matter of fact, I think it's more disrespectful doing this when d' Angelo is alive so he can see it.

[Dixon]

Why. But why?

[Mall]

Oh, no.

[Dixon]

P.E.

[Mall]

Is gonna have to put that somewhere on the screen. It's. It's the Untitled video when d' Angelo is shirtless with that shadow, but Benzino took that and put his own spin on it. Oh, this is with him being shirtless.

[Dixon]

This is his. How does it feel?

[Mall]

Yes.

[Dixon]

Okay, okay, okay, listen, man. I mean, so I stand corrected. This was before this video was out, before d' Angelo passed.

[Mall]

Yes.

[Dixon]

Okay. I stand correct.

[Mall]

And when.

[Dixon]

Maybe Benzino was influenced by.

[Mall]

No, no, he was suggesting, like, you know, he posted it when Benzino passed. Like, hey, I've been influenced in my career by him. Here's an example of. Of how. How it made him feel. Okay. And I saw. I saw d' Angelo's son post something of, you know, it's been a tough year. Thank you guys for having me in your thoughts and prayers. I'll definitely need it. Like, keep. Keep telling me that. Do you think this made him feel any better? Like, some things. Some tributes should just be, like, kept in the touch. I'm sure he read Beyonce's post and was like, oh, man, that's. That's really cool to know that my pops.

[Telma Hopkins]

Yeah.

[Mall]

You know, influence one of the biggest pop stars ever. Like, those types of things, I think, help in grief and death. If I saw this, like. Like, that's gonna. That's gonna delay, like, funeral plans. I'm gonna be so angry.

[Ashley Reifeld]

I honestly.

[Rory]

It probably gave him a laugh. It probably gave him a. Like. Like.

[Mall]

Or him and his dad may have laughed at that together before. That could have been a good memory.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dixon]

Like, if that was out before his passing, then, yeah, I'm pretty sure d' Angelo laughed at that. Absolutely.

[Mall]

Yeah. I also thought. It's also crazy to think that James got the last recorded d' Angelo record that was put out. Font Laura, James, Samuel for the soundtrack for the Book of Clarence. It was the Jay Z. Angelo record.

[Dixon]

I want you forever.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah. So that's. That was the last one that was put out while he was alive, which is crazy to think.

[Dixon]

But now that would make sense, though, James working with D. Oh, absolutely.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Dixon]

That makes sense.

[Mall]

Yeah. I'm sure they had been talking about that for quite some time, even before that, because I think James even went in interviews and, like, Hov didn't even know about it. And he just was sending him snippets, and I think he said Hov was on the treadmill, sending him bars while he was running on the treadmill because he had this d' Angelo record. Like, yeah, I rap for Daniel.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Dixon]

You got a d' Angelo record? Yeah, I'll get on that for sure.

[Mall]

That's such a. That's such a cool way for hip hop to age. Like a guy in his 50s on a treadmill writing raps to a D' Angelo record.

[Dixon]

Yeah. For a movie called Book of Clarence.

[Mall]

And then sending them as voice notes to, like, someone's iPhone.

[Dixon]

Absolutely.

[Mall]

But, yeah, I. I wish you guys wouldn't have shamed me so much when I thought d' Angelo was down the hall for me those months ago.

[Dixon]

Oh, yeah, I remember that.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, I remember that.

[Dixon]

When you kept. When you kept conveniently having to walk to the bathroom. Yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

In the. In the dungeon at Flux.

[Dixon]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

But I talked to the.

[Dixon]

But then when you told us that, I understood it, though. Like, I got it. Yeah. I was like, no, listen, that's d'. Angelo. I get it. But it's like, there's a way to go about that still. But I understood. It's d', Angelo, bro. Like, as a musician, as anybody, a producer, as an artist, if you have the opportunity to be in the same room, especially a studio, and just talk to d' Angelo and pick his brain about music, I mean, you definitely have to take that opportunity whenever you can. Cause you don't know when you'll have that opportunity again.

[Mall]

And because he had probably the most unique voice in R B history, maybe outside of, like, Marvin Gaye. You know, when you're walking past a studio and like, all right, that's d'. Angelo. And I've never heard that song.

[Dixon]

Right.

[Mall]

What the Is going on in there?

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Mall]

But, yeah, Benzino, I guess we all. We all grieve different.

[Dixon]

We do. That is very true, Rory. We do grieve differently. Absolutely. While I am happy that we get new music and we get a lot of good new music. Right. I do think that it's bad that we get this much new music.

[Mall]

Why? It was three albums as far as, like, bigger artists.

[Dixon]

Yeah. But I feel like we just got the. The Clips album a couple weeks ago. And weeks ago.

[Mall]

Alfredo too.

[Dixon]

We just got Alfredo 2 a few weeks ago. And now we have JID album, we have Gunna's album, we have Bryson Tiller's album, to name a few. I'm sure some other projects drop, but like, when do we have the time to really, like listen to all of this? Because we spent so much time was having a conversation with. With my boy the other day and. And we've lost. In the conversation, we were talking about how we've lost the connection to music. Like, there's times now where I could love somebody's album and I don't even remember the lyrics to the raps before. If I love the prolay, this album is crazy. I could recite every song because I felt like there was a different connection to it versus now we do everything on our phone. If I'm listening to music on my phone and then I get a text message or I get a call or somebody sends me a clip and I gotta watch this clip, it's like you're being pulled away from what I'm really. Like I'm listening to music on my phone. So now if I got all these other things happening, there's like this connect. Like I hear the music, I hear it like I'm listening to the album. But there's no like the connection or the order. Like there's something. There's like a wall in between us and really connecting to the music, it feels like.

[Mall]

But I don't think it's a music thing per se. I just think it's an entertainment thing.

[Dixon]

Well, put it up to that as well.

[Mall]

Music is just folded into that. Because, I mean, even the way we binge shows, like imagine if a season of the Sopranos was available one day, not spread out amongst 14 weeks where you watched an episode, you talked about it with your friends for the whole week. You made predictions, you did all that. Like you can just binge things immediately and then on top of that, that you have every bit of content in your phone on social media, whether it be tick tock, ig like music is gonna fall to the wayside in that regard. And it's so. It's so much easier to make music now.

[Dixon]

It's easier to make it. It's easy to put it out.

[Mall]

So in that regard you have. And we'll get to the Bryson thing. But you can put a double album out. But the contradiction there is. I feel like no one has the attention span for it. So it's easier to put it out. But you're Putting it out to consumers that don't have the time or attention span to listen to that amount. So, yeah, everyone's in that regard. Like, imagine work. Imagine working on a Netflix series for three years and somebody binges it in one rainy Saturday and then says, yo, where, yo, where's season two? Yeah, that's for my life. Into this.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Yeah. It's access to everything. And even when I'm watching something I'm engaged with, I look at my phone and start. Start scrolling through. I'll see that.

[Dixon]

Right.

[Mall]

And I'll get distracted. And music is the same way. Like, it's very low on the totem pole if you're not, like, a real lover of music.

[Dixon]

But even if the songs are too hot, I love. I love. I love the technology now because, again, literally, I could pull up any song. I could be thinking about a record.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Dixon]

And type it in and pull it up and listen to it.

[Mall]

So I love Siri. You can start saying the lyrics to Syria.

[Dixon]

I love that aspect of it. But there is a difference in the way I connect to music now than I used to. Like, when I had to literally buy physical music or, you know, CD album. There was, like, a different. Even if I didn't like it because.

[Mall]

You could only carry so much with you. Like, Right. I used to carry the big CD booklet, but. But even then, I would keep one CD in my.

[Dixon]

This is what I'm saying. I think it's too much now. Now, like, we just. I'm still listening to Alfredo, too. And now I got J's album. Now I got, you know, Bryson's alb. It's like, bro, I'm still. I haven't really even, you know, really digested all the bars in Alfredo 2 yet. And already now JID is on. On my phone.

[Mall]

Okay, all right, I hear you. And again, I'm not trying to be devil's advocate here. Ironically, on September 11th month, when Blueprint and Fabs first album came out, like, people used to drop on the same day. Graduation Curtis. Like, that would happen often where people would drop on the same day.

[Rory]

No.

[Dixon]

Right. But tell me what came out three weeks before those albums?

[Mall]

Oh, I see. Yeah. I don't know.

[Dixon]

You get what I'm saying? Like, that's the difference. It's like, okay, we get Alfredo2 two weeks ago or a week ago. And then now, this week, Jid, next week, Chance the Rapper. It's like. It's like if I'm on a phone call having a good conversation with somebody, and somebody calls in, I'M like, hold on. How rare. How often do I go back to that other call? But that's if it's another good con. Like my homie calls. I'm like, yo, I'm downtown, yo. It's crazy. It was lit da da da. I just saw. So I forgot I got homie on hold now. So now it's like, when do you have an opportunity to really. Or it's a shorter window to connect to the music now, I think.

[Mall]

And I. I mean, I'm not saying this about you whatsoever. I'm just saying the consumer. I feel like a lot of the consumers listen to react as quick as they can rather than live with the music and then move on to the next thing that they can react to.

[Dixon]

So as an artist, how do you. How do you navigate through that? Do you take two years to create and then for somebody in three hours to be like, yo, this trash?

[Mall]

Yeah, that's out of. At that point, that's out of your control. That's where finding the right consumer and the right tribe and the right core fan base matters the most. Which is. Which will get to Jid. Shit. I don't think he tried to chase anything at all, but his core fan base on this project. Myself being one, and I think that was the smartest thing ever. Like you trying to. I get it. You got to grow and get more fans the best way possible. We go through with podcasts and two down to how we title certain YouTube, but at the end of the day, it's still the core that's really good to matter and return, and that's the only people you really should feed. That's the strategy. That's the only strategy that you could have control of feeding your core and your tribe along the way. Maybe you'll get some more people, but I. Do you think Freddie and Al was sitting there of like, yo, we got to get as many people as possible to go back to listen to Alfredo one after listen. No, let's. Let's keep our formula and grow our formula.

[Rory]

Formula.

[Mall]

That's what's going to move any type of vinyls, move actual real ticket sales. That's the only thing that matters at this point. If you're in that space and Jid is. Is a big artist. Like, he has a Eminem feature that we were completely wrong about. I feel like we deserve some credit because I think he added it back to the album because of us.

[Dixon]

Well, no, you came in here with information that you heard or you received from somewhere.

[Mall]

It was on an ep I didn't know it was going to be on the album. No, that was an old Rick Ross move.

[Dixon]

No, but I ain't gonna lie. Like, that would have been insane if you don't put.

[Mall]

He said when all that came out that this was not on the album.

[Dixon]

Oh, he did say that when he posted the ep.

[Mall]

If I'm. Correct me, if I'm wrong, fans, you can kill me in the dm, when he was tweeting, she was like, yo, I want to put out some before my project. Like this is. This is the EP before the album.

[Dixon]

Okay.

[Mall]

Like this. Never play some album.

[Dixon]

Okay.

[Mall]

But again, I mean, it's an Eminem feature, so it should stay there. And I wasn't too mad at it in the sequencing. It's not really a song for me. Oh, yeah. The prelux is strictly to get people talking, intrigued, excited about the album. That's all. Yeah. How I interpreted it, which is, you know, obviously I was wrong. I interpreted that along, along with everyone else, that this was like your pre ep.

[Dixon]

The prelux is strictly to get people talking, intrigued, excited about the album.

[Mall]

Great, great strategy, but would you not read that?

[Dixon]

So there's another inverse on the main album. Nope. I got two of the best fast rappers of all time.

[Mall]

I think he was alluding to himself in there, but I mean, either way. Yeah. To close your point in that regard, I think just feeding your core is the only way because the average consumer is just going to move on and swipe up to the next 15 second reel. Okay. Like music, even when they've chopped it down to 2:30, as far as songs go, that's still hard to keep people's attention. Like you have movie studios trying to figure out how can we capture somebody in 10 seconds and they're putting out films that are four hours, right. We're with a microwave brain. Like, that's just how things go. So it is kind of on you as the consumer to get out of that way. Because, yes, I'm more attached to some of the music I grew up on, but I also had a different mind state and was in a different environment at that time and how I even consume things. So as a music lover, as a consumer, sometimes I have to like discipline myself and be like, yo, don't look at your phone, sit, and just live with this music. Because I know that's where your heart really is with this shit and like how you feel better and everything.

[Dixon]

I guess for me it's just different though, because I used to. I used to literally when the album Come out or artists I like drops a project, I burn that project to the ground because I need to hear it, I need to live with it, I need to move around with it just to see if I like it, love it, hate it. Now it's like I'm in the mix of still trying to figure out if I love this project or not. And then now, this week, I got another artist that I like. He's dropping his album. I gotta listen to this now. It's just, it's like, it seems like you can't. I can't listen to everything fairly.

[Mall]

But we also got older. Like, you also have to add that factor.

[Dixon]

Well, then that's another thing. Life happens. I got things to do now. I can't just be listening to music. So all of these things happen. But just the cadence of the way we receive music though, I think is just like. It just feels very. Like it's almost like a conveyor belt. And you know, I'm seeing a product come down. Oh, I like this. And by the time I'm looking at this, three more is going underneath the. And I'm like, oh, shit. Like, let me listen to this. It just feel like you always playing catch up when it comes to your favorite music.

[Mall]

But I mean, I'll even say, like, I have not listened to the Gunna album yet, but I, I'm very not.

[Dixon]

Because you don't like Gunna.

[Mall]

No.

[Dixon]

You just haven't had the opportunity with that. Yeah.

[Mall]

With that said, outside of, I mean, we, we have chance on. On the podcast this, this coming week. And I had to listen to that album plus J.I.D. and Bryson Tiller, three artists that I really like Gunna. I, I like Gunna. Don't get me wrong. But I've admitted, like, I'm not gonna move my life around for a Gunna album. It would strictly be for the podcast.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Which to me also feels a little gross because, like, why should I be the one even reviewing? Like, I feel like that's fucked up to Gunna.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like with him. Not that we have the biggest media platform, but, you know, people do listen to us. I'm not the one for this. Like, I like a gunner song every now and then. I'm. I'm not gonna sit there and do a deep dive on Gun.

[Dixon]

Right.

[Mall]

And that's nothing negative about him.

[Dixon]

Right.

[Mall]

It's my taste.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I'm sure Gunna would look at some of the music I listen to and be like, dog you, that's whack. That's just. I Don't know.

[Dixon]

Turn that off and listen to my brother.

[Mall]

Like, that's just how life goes. So you also have to take that into consideration. I'm not. Never in my life, even when I would be completely free and have nothing to do, would I run to go dissect a Gun album.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Mall]

So add that into. And I think a lot of people feel that way with how much music is out there. I love that streaming allows you to not have to sit with the radio and the mainstream you're just forced to listen to. When I get in the car, I don't have to listen to what the radio is programming. But you're also going to not listen to other. Because of that. Even if Gun is the biggest moving.

[Dixon]

I can't believe I'm not gonna sit.

[Mall]

There and listen to a gunna album all the time. Like.

[Dixon]

And listen.

[Mall]

I'd be lying if I said that.

[Dixon]

And listening to radio now. I can't believe I actually used to listen to the radio.

[Mall]

Why? I used to record the radio.

[Dixon]

It's the same 12 songs from seven artists.

[Mall]

When was it?

[Dixon]

Not that and over and. But that's what I'm saying. Now that you realize that now that I have the. The ability to listen to whatever I want, whenever I want, I can't really. I cannot believe that radio was such a big part of my life at one point. Because when you listen to it now, like, sometimes in commute, and I'll just listen to the radio. And then, like, example, the other day I went out. So I caught a Uber, went downtown, right? When I got out the car, a song was playing. Two hours later, I got back in an Uber, that same song was playing again. And I was like, bro, this is. So now I'm listening. Cause now I'm gonna say, okay, let me hear what's next. It almost got to a point where I know which song they get ready to play next. So I'm just like, we used to sit down in the crib, like, around the radio and listen, and it's like, bro, it's the same songs, the same artists. And then I'm thinking, like, we know how programming works. We know that they have playlists at the radio and things like that. But my thing is there's so many other songs and dope artists that you could easily be like, we don't have to listen to this song three times in an hour. Like, there's two other artists you could have put in that spot and played their new record.

[Mall]

I mean, I hear you. But in. Yes, this Was programming working? But, like, you know, I remember taking the boombox to go play ball and just waiting for Country Grammar to play. Like, just waiting for it. And yeah, it would play once an hour, but that was, like, a moment at that time. That's why it resonated more, because we only had access to that. Had I had the ability to just list before the album came out, had I had the ability to just listen to Country Grammar every five minutes, I probably would have moved the. On the fact that we sat around the radio waiting for that song, even if it played every hour, like, it made it resonate more. So that speaks, like. Even, like, when we would TRL106 in park, like Tara waiting for DMX party up video, like run home. So you could watch that again. If YouTube was really a thing, it wouldn't have been a moment with me and my friends of like, yo, what number you think? Yo, that part in this? Yo, I caught another thing in the video because you could only maybe see it once a day.

[Dixon]

Can't rewind it. This is before we had TiVo. Yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

And even when we used to record the radio on tapes, because I. I'm really not that young. We would do that as well. Like, all right, if we want to listen to this again, let's do a push tape. Like, literally record the radio. That was a thing that made it. Made it a moment for a record. Outside of it just resonating sonically. That was like a moment with your friends. Like, who knows the lyrics? Like who? Like, that was to the point too.

[Dixon]

Much access kind of killed that. Like, having the ability. Having the ability to.

[Mall]

You shouldn't have that much access to art at any time. It's a catch 22. Like, I really see both sides of how great that is, because I love the ability to do that. Especially when I got an ipod. I thought it was the greatest thing ever.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And it definitely changed my music discovery and my music taste. But it did definitely take away from the moments you have with music. Like the JID and Offset record, which is fired bodies of, like, if that was in radio time, that would probably be a joint that would live with me forever.

[Dixon]

Right.

[Mall]

But now I. I don't know. I mean, I like it.

[Dixon]

Yeah. But too much access.

[Mall]

Yeah. I'm not waiting for that record to come on because I can just. Just play it.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Mall]

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[Dixon]

No, I saw some Bloods, though.

[Mall]

And then a few months later, after you purchase that in front of the Da Moose, you say, yo, my bill is way higher than what I thought.

[Dixon]

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So refreshing to have a press secretary after the last few years who's both intelligent and articulate.

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I really just had never experienced anything like what was going on in the city as far as like, you know, seeing so many young, black, affluent creatives in all walks of life.

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[Rory]

Young boy blowing up, man. Young. Well, he been blew up, but like I'm. He's starting to entertain.

[Dixon]

Young boy just blowing up.

[Rory]

I know.

[Mall]

I'm saying that's why rappers ever.

[Rory]

That's why I corrected myself. He's entering into my old ass stratosphere of old people. Right? Who's still playing Eclipse album over and over again. Like he's starting to go viral over here. I'm like, damn. Like NBA youngboy shows look lit.

[Dixon]

Like, oh no.

[Rory]

This looking like somebody to be at.

[Mall]

A real, real fan base. But I do like seeing this because a lot of people, including myself, say, all right, you stream crazier than everyone can. You sell a ticket. It not only is he selling crazy, everyone knows every word. They're losing their mind. Kai is crying. Like, my bad.

[Dixon]

Yeah. Seeing NBA youngboy shows is definitely like confirmation that I'm just old. I don't know one NBA young boy like no song and like I'm watching the clips and I'm. I like, I love the like seeing the entire like stadium or arena, everybody into it, everybody knowing. But it's kind of like I'm looking at this like, oh, this is a whole part of the culture that I have no idea.

[Rory]

You look like the Jay Z mean.

[Mall]

Where he was like, yeah, like I'm.

[Dixon]

Cause like he getting his shit off. Like he flowing and I'm just like. And I'm looking at, you know, just the. The audience and everybody knows all the lyrics and things like that. And I'm just like, the energy is what is a trap. I'm like, oh, shit. Like, this is a show. If you go out on stage as an artist, it is your only. It's your. Like, there's nothing probably greater than looking out into a fucking arena. And everybody knows every word you're saying. Like, that's an artist's dream. You know what I'm saying? So to see that and to see everybody so, like, just turned up and you know what I'm saying? That somebody from the. It's like, okay, like, this is. This is a show. These are like, his fans. Like, people that have been waiting to see him live. They couldn't wait for this moment. They couldn't wait for this tour to come to their city. Like, this is what hip hop is about. Like, rapper comes on stage, everybody goes crazy. Nobody's trying to be, you know, cool. Everybody's standing on their seats, shirts off, rapping. The girls know all the lyrics. The guys know the lyrics. Like that, to me, is just some incredible shit to witness.

[Rory]

But so we going. I feel like we should go as a social experiment.

[Dixon]

I don't know if that's the social experiment, though. I don't know if you want to socially experiment with an NBA Young boy live show.

[Mall]

I am chased.

[Dixon]

I feel like you'll get chased out. Cause they.

[Rory]

They.

[Dixon]

I feel like his fans know. Yeah, they know. Like, you ain't supposed to be here. This ain't for you. Like, well, don't try to jump on now. Yeah, like, we been this. Been a whole way. Obviously, I'm familiar with NBA YoungBoy. I don't know his music the way his fans, you know, know it. But I'm familiar with the fan base that he has. I'm familiar with the following that he has and the. The streaming numbers that he does. Like, we all know that. But to now see it, like, night after night. He just did LA last night. Kyle was there. Kai is crying. I'm just seeing this shit. I'm just like, yo, what is happening right now?

[Mall]

I'm curious based off the sound of stuff. Like, for example, when we saw Gucci versus Jeezy and we saw the difference. Gucci being the legend that he is. A lot of his legendary records were never mixed. They was thrown out. Like, Jeezy had Def Jam behind him with the biggest budget. His records just feel expensive. They sound expensive. The Gucci shit didn't hit the same next to that. That I've never seen an arena tour young boy's volume, like how much he puts out. Some of his most classic records are like two track that I don't even know how it could sound in an arena yet. When I see the footage, it looks like JCO's performing. That's what I want to see. Like, how are these records transferring in a arena? I've never seen anyone do that to my young boy. The type of music he makes and even some of the classics, Core Fan base records he has are so low quality. I'm not talking about him, but they're low quality records. You can tell he's too tract. It was like, yo, upload that to the Internet now. I would love, like, I want to know how that rings off in an arena.

[Dixon]

All that.

[Mall]

Because even Gucci Gucci has classic. But even though just on a stream next to Jeezy with an expensive sound, it was like, damn, this is a classic Jeezy record. But it don't hit because it just don't sound. Yeah, the same next to this.

[Dixon]

And then in a state, in an arena.

[Mall]

Yeah, like I gotta know how that that sounds.

[Dixon]

All that shit from Youngboy sound look like it's going off. I love seeing people online saying, yo, if he don't perform this one, I'm gonna be upset. Like all of that to me is just dope to see people so engaged with an artist like that. And then for NBA youngboy to go out there and, you know, it seems like he's, you know, he's fulfilling the request. He's doing all the joints that, you know, his fans want to hear. I just think this is some really, really dope shit to watch.

[Rory]

Josh, I'm sending you the viral TikTok that's like going on right now with this girl that has like everybody like, well, damn, I want to go to the NBA show. And that's the one that made me want to go to the NBA show. I'm like, yo, I want to feel this passionately about music. Like they screaming that like when the first month that like dreams and nightmares came out, I'm like, I want to.

[Mall]

Feel that feeling again.

[Rory]

I want to feel that I'm a boss feeling again. The in Paris feeling. Like I haven't had that feeling in a while.

[Mall]

A connection to it because they lived through the time of.

[Dixon]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We can't go because it's like we would just be trying to get on board now. And it's Kind of like we're not gonna understand it. We need some time to really, like.

[Mall]

I mean, it sounds fire.

[Rory]

That looks. That sounds fire.

[Mall]

She delivered the out of this, too.

[Rory]

I pause it. Not before we get what you call it demonetized. But come on, man. How do you know that shit sounds fire to me? I can't.

[Mall]

But, like, I want to go with her.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, I want to go with somebody that's gonna, like, wrap those lyrics in my face. So I start to feel like, oh, this is it. This is.

[Dixon]

See, that's why I know I can't.

[Mall]

Go close to your chest.

[Dixon]

Cause you know how I'm at shows. I'm just standing there, literally just watching the artist perform. I'm not. You've been to meet to me with Drake shows. You, like, you just standing there. And I know all these records. I don't know all of these records, so I'm really gonna be listening. Standing there watching Youngboy perform, and I can't go with somebody that knows and they hyped and they trying to get me. I'm like, yo, bro, I don't even know what he's saying. Yeah, so it's fake if I go, because I don't even know these. These songs like that. So some of them, I'm like, I might know a couple of the. The bars. Like, okay, yeah, I remember that ball right there. But these people are, like, you said, Rory. They grew up with this shit. They lived with this music. They couldn't wait for Youngboy to come to their city. Like, they've been waiting for this moment for years. So now that it's here, I just think it's dope to see it and shout out to Youngboy, man, because, you know, being able to develop a fan base like this and all of these years of curating this sound for your. For your audience, and now being able to go to these cities and sell out these arenas is some dope shit. So salute to NBA YoungBoy, man.

[Rory]

I'm gonna check it out. I feel like I've always judged him by the way he looked.

[Dixon]

I mean, he looked like every other.

[Rory]

Yeah, I know. That's why I don't listen to them. If I.

[Mall]

If I.

[Rory]

If I met you, he look like who else? Who?

[Dixon]

A bunch of artists you listen to. It's the same.

[Rory]

Look who.

[Mall]

Who?

[Dixon]

Dimash, you listen to ratchet shit.

[Rory]

Not men. That's. I listen to women. Ratchet shit. I don't listen to men. Ratchet shit. I don't know none of this shit. None of these people.

[Dixon]

Okay.

[Rory]

If I will meet you in a dark alley and you look like I should be afraid of you, like, I should cross the street. I don't really check your music out. I don't know. And I shouldn't do that. I should be better, which is why I'm going to check out some of NBA's music. Music. I don't be listening to these, these rappers with the, that be the tattoos and on their face like that. I don't listen to that.

[Dixon]

You listen to Wayne.

[Mall]

I was just about to say.

[Rory]

Okay, Wayne, the. The original. The creator. Right. But these new ones, no. And y' all don't either. Why am I looking at me like I'm crazy?

[Mall]

Oh, no. I tried. I'm aware that he has been a superstar in his own right with his fan base for a long time. I've seen the numbers. I've tried. I've done the Jay Z headbop, like, pretending like I think this is all right, but I'm never gonna listen to again. But I need somebody like that girl to sell it to me with the green hair. What's, what's, what's worse with a concert, going with somebody that's way too cool. Like Mo bringing up the Drake show when we was there. Or, for example, Diani, Scotty Beam. Love you to death. Every cold show I go to with her, she's rapping every word in my face the entire time.

[Rory]

Y' all should have seen me. I was insane at the cold show. I was insufferable.

[Mall]

Because I, I, I feed off Dioni's energy. It makes it feel a little bit better. Like, sometimes I'll rap back with her.

[Dixon]

I get mad if I'm in the car and somebody's rapping the whole song.

[Mall]

The car, that's too much. So now loud enough where you could.

[Dixon]

Rap if we had to show. And you keep. You keep jumping in my ear, in my face, trying to get balls. It's worse. It's like, yo, shut the. The artist is right here in front of us. Like, let them do that. You shut. You shut up.

[Brad Palumbo]

Up.

[Rory]

Nah, that was me at Cole. I was talking.

[Mall]

But you rapped along at a concert before. No, I'm not saying screaming in someone's face, but.

[Dixon]

Yeah, but I'm not grabbing you, trying to, like, get you, like.

[Rory]

But to that type of show, that's.

[Dixon]

What you got to do at this show. You got to punch somebody in their face.

[Mall]

Yeah. Like, you got.

[Dixon]

Yeah, you got to punch somebody in their face for entrance.

[Rory]

It's Like a jello shot.

[Dixon]

Yeah, this is. This is. That's just what this is. But it's. It's. It's dope to see it, man. It's definitely dope to see it. I know he did LA last night, I think. Think. I'm not sure where else is going, but. Yo, I gota. I gota.

[Mall]

I gota.

[Dixon]

I gotta. I gotta download more NBA youngboy music and. And learn. Learn the music more so I can. Before I can go to a live show, I can't just go out there not knowing. I gotta know the music. I have to know the music.

[Rory]

He coming to Newark on September 29th. Oh's birthday. Well, not your actual birthday, but your birthday weekend.

[Dixon]

Yeah. Nah, nah.

[Mall]

I would have considered the Garden or Barclays.

[Rory]

Oh, Barclays.

[Mall]

Closer to the Prudential Center.

[Dixon]

September 27th.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Yo, the Jersey crowd. The Jersey Young boy crowd. I'm good. That is gonna be the most terrifying. The Newark show compared to the Garden show, which, by the way, is 20 minutes away from each other.

[Dixon]

It's going to be two different worlds.

[Kelly Williams]

No, I'm cool.

[Rory]

I'm going to the Born in Brooklyn. I promise you. I'm not going to the one in Newark. You bug the out. It was ghetto concert in Newark. I'm cool.

[Mall]

If you're gonna experience it. Maybe the Newark one is. Yeah, but I gotta get the real feeling.

[Rory]

But they gonna shoot outside that shit.

[Mall]

Yeah, Newark.

[Rory]

I'm cool.

[Dixon]

I feel like I gotta wear shiesty if I go, though.

[Maul]

I got.

[Mall]

But then you're gonna be like everybody else. You gotta stand out.

[Dixon]

Nah, nah, you gotta. You gotta blend. I have to blend in wears. Wearing a suit. NBA youngboy show. They will beat the out of me. First of all, they gonna think I'm a narc. Like, who this police A suit at an NBA Young boy show?

[Mall]

No, no, you can't dress like we going to the GZ Orchestra show.

[Dixon]

No, absolutely.

[Rory]

Oh, that's fine.

[Dixon]

No, it's not. I promise you it's not. Nah.

[Mall]

I feel like NBA Young Boy show should change the rules for arenas. I should be able to walk in with no shirt.

[Dixon]

There's people in there with no shirts on.

[Mall]

Well, they. They walked in with a shirt on. They took it off after. I'm saying I should be able to show up with no shirt at all.

[Dixon]

I mean, you know, as young boy.

[Mall]

Ever, like, want a little high.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Oh, I thought that was his whole ST aesthetic. He's just shirtless.

[Dixon]

No, he wearing. He wearing some on stage. I mean, I'm sure at some point he might take his shirt off and really get into the, you know, night, but it's just dope to see it, man. All the clips I'm seeing is. The energy is. I haven't seen. Bro, I'm not gonna lie. That type of energy is crazy for the entire arena to be.

[Mall]

You know how hard it is to sell tickets, period, right now, let alone an arena.

[Dixon]

But, you know, that type of clip. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like I said, his fan base is very. They've been waiting for this. They've been way couldn't wait for this tour.

[Mall]

And, you know, they're dedicated fans because. And I'm not going to get into. Everyone makes mistakes, but I feel like every other month I'm seeing some wild that young boy is doing. Like those are loyal. He could do anything. The fact how he's moved on certain things or how the Internet has painted him. And you could still sell out arenas as well.

[Brad Palumbo]

Way.

[Mall]

Yeah, they love your music.

[Brad Palumbo]

Philly.

[Rory]

I'd rather die.

[Mall]

Yeah, Philly would be kind of nuts.

[Rory]

He signed a Motown.

[Mall]

Well, I mean, it. It merged. They all merged. It's musical chairs. Like, he didn't. He didn't sign to the same Motown.

[Kelly Williams]

No.

[Dixon]

Rory. Oh, he was in Oakland. That wasn't even la. That was Oakland last. Yeah, that's. Oh, what dates is that? That. That's. No, he's in Oakland tonight.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah.

[Dixon]

Well, tomorrow. Okay. He was in LA last night, though. Okay.

[Mall]

On the low. I think the Phoenix show might be the scariest because I know the Mexicans love Young Boy. That might be it. It would rival between Newark and Phoenix of the scariest shows on the store.

[Dixon]

Scroll down. Oh, no.

[Rory]

St. Louis in Chicago might.

[Dixon]

Wait, hold on.

[Mall]

St. Louis for sure.

[Rory]

Baltimore, I don't know. I'm not going to no NBA Young Boy show in Baltimore. I'm cool. I'm cool.

[Dixon]

Oh, no, that's Chicago on the scary. Because he had beef with Chicago like he had beef with Durkin.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dixon]

So, yeah, man. Hopefully, you know, I mean, hopefully nothing happens. We don't want to get no news about anything negative or crazy happening because seeing this type of energy is just dope to see people go out and support their artists. But. But we know the history of him and certain Chicago artists.

[Rory]

So y' all don't know nobody from that side.

[Dixon]

From what side?

[Rory]

NBA Young Boy side.

[Mall]

Listen, I told you when I went to Baton Rouge a couple months ago and she told me, oh, this. This young boy's hood. I said, can we just not be here then. We was driving. Say, yeah, where you from? I was like, well, let's then. Let's take a left and a left and get the out of here.

[Dixon]

You scared?

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You thought I was gonna say no? Yeah, actually, the.

[Dixon]

I was scared.

[Mall]

They walk around with a. A assault rifle is just out. Like, it ain't even illegal.

[Dixon]

Yeah. I don't need to be there. And I could. I want to learn.

[Rory]

I want to go now. Now to prime.

[Mall]

I want to go now.

[Dixon]

I want to go to music. It's fake if I go now. I don't know. I don't know the music enough.

[Rory]

But that's okay, though.

[Kelly Williams]

You actually.

[Rory]

People, a lot of people tend to go to shows to learn new music. You don't got to go to the show and know every song.

[Dixon]

Like, you got to know the music, man. That's like going to the game and not knowing who playing.

[Mall]

No, but you discover.

[Rory]

You discover songs because a lot of songs, you might put on, like, in your headphones and be like, turn this shit off. Right, right. But you go to the show, and you see shorty with the green hair doing all that. It's like, wait, hold on. What's this song?

[Dixon]

Let me.

[Rory]

That's why you're supposed to go check out new shows, local artists, all of that stuff, man.

[Mall]

Sitting at the young boy show in the. The mosh pit, trying to hold your phone up for Shazam. Yeah, they gonna knock you out who's who.

[Dixon]

No, I would be in the.

[Mall]

Trying to figure out.

[Dixon]

I would be in the sky box somewhere. Put me in a suite. Let me just chill up here. Look down at, you know, the real fans. I just want to hear the music and see the performance. Like, let me. I can't be in that.

[Rory]

I need to touch the f. N.

[Dixon]

I can't be in that. That's crazy.

[Mall]

What's the most dangerous show you've ever been to?

[Dixon]

The most dangerous show I've ever been to.

[Mall]

Even if it turned out that way and you didn't anticipate it.

[Dixon]

The most dangerous show.

[Rory]

I've never been to a dangerous show.

[Dixon]

I feel like it may have been somebody at Irvin Plaza.

[Mall]

Well, not that time.

[Rory]

Oh, the Nipsey Hustle One wall.

[Mall]

Them Crips in the building.

[Rory]

But I felt safe.

[Mall]

This was in New York.

[Rory]

Irvin Plaza, Okay.

[Dixon]

Yeah, I feel like it was. I can't remember who it was, though.

[Rory]

I felt safe, though.

[Dixon]

I feel like it was Irvin Plaza, okay. Might have been. I was in there. I remember having a Feeling like, yeah, the energy in here is a little. It's a little tense. But never in, like, never at the Garden. I never been so sure at the Garden where I felt that.

[Mall]

Well, I mean, you did say you were in the hallway when R. Kelly walked down and violence ensued.

[Dixon]

You say he.

[Mall]

That was kind of dangerous. There was a gun there.

[Dixon]

Said he didn't want nobody looking him in his eyes.

[Mall]

And then somebody allegedly put pepper spray in his eyes.

[Dixon]

Yeah, but that wasn't dangerous. That was R and B. That wasn't like, dangerous.

[Mall]

I mean, speaking of Newark and Jersey in general, Hot 97 once did. Remember when they used to do those like, next up or who's next shows, which I appreciate. They was trying to get, like, local talent, and they did one that was just specific to Jersey with a bunch of Jersey acts. I want to say Tretch hosted it as well. That was the most violent show I think I've ever been. That, like, they rivaled what when Saigon, Prodigy, and all the Queensbridge fought at SOBS with that legendary footage. There was so much tension in that small, small venue. Yeah, that was probably the. The one time been a show where I'm like, I don't know if it's worth. Worth staying in here. Like, yeah, I'll be a bystander. Somehow in this entire show, I can't.

[Dixon]

Remember who was at Irvin Plaza. Like, who was. It may have been Meek and somebody else. And I was like, yeah, this energy in here was just a little, you know. You know that energy where it's just like, the faces ain't friendly, nobody's smiling. It's not a lot of women. You know, those shows, of course, you know, it was just like, all right, man, I'm about to let me stand close to the exit because it might go down there.

[Mall]

But I've told you guys the story of when I was DJing at the New Eurekan with my mans and we got into it and I thought I was gonna die with the guys from Connecticut.

[Dixon]

Yep.

[Mall]

So there was another time I was DJing for a man's that was opening up for. I won't say his name. He was signed to the lock, not the locks. The D block at the time. And we were opening up for him based off his manager's relationship with D block, but my man's was on some singing and rapping shit. It wasn't that type of crowd. Yeah, this is like when you really got to cut your teeth and earn your keep. Like, what it's like to feel like you're Dying on stage of just going record to record somebody that was affiliated with that artist twice my size in the middle of my man performing. And we had, like, a intricate DJ set. I was trying to mix certain stuff. Like, we had a set, we rehearsed. It's cubes.

[Dixon]

He's waiting for this moment.

[Mall]

Cues like all this entire thing over me hits the. The fader and puts it to the side and said, it's time for y'.

[Dixon]

All to leave in the middle of the performance.

[Mall]

Yeah, but I had. I had. I was on vinyl, so I had two. Two things playing. So it didn't affect. Like, my man kept rapping. And it was the first time in my life where I was like, I'm about to say something that I know, know I'm gonna die, but I have no other option.

[Dixon]

Gotta be a man.

[Mall]

Yeah, I had no other option. I know this is not going to end well. Like I said, ain't no fucking way. We got three more fucking songs. Get away from me. Let's just say we. We were handled outside of the building, but my man finished the set. No, handled.

[Dixon]

Finish the set, though. Finish the set.

[Mall]

Handled it.

[Dixon]

We get beat up outside, but we finished the set, though. That's all that matters.

[Mall]

And my man, who I love, did what every opening act. Act does. Because the locks are supposed to be special guests with. With this guy as well. It was like on the flyer. So when you're just drowning in a set and it's dead quiet, we're standing like, yo, what. Yo, get the off the stage. Yo, who's ready to see the locks? Whole crowd erupts. And he said for the last song.

[Dixon]

He went, yeah, nah, cut it.

[Mall]

Let's get the out of here.

[Dixon]

Get up out of here.

[Mall]

We was in there because this was 09, like when we were on the blog era type of rap. And that crowd was not trying to hear none of that shit. He was really singing. He had an RB part. It was a bunch of dudes in champion hoodies waiting to see if Styles was gonna show up. It was one of the crazy experiences. But no, we were physically handled out.

[Dixon]

Was that Toad's place something? Toad's place?

[Mall]

No, no, no. It was in the city.

[Maul]

No Warrior.

[Rory]

Now, I wanna ask you a question, actually. Cause I value your opinion. I value your opinion. If I'm thinking.

[Dixon]

I love this.

[Rory]

So I was reading my devotional today, and the message was about forgiveness, right?

[Dixon]

Okay.

[Rory]

Being able to forgive people that have hurt you.

[Dixon]

Okay.

[Rory]

Because as God has forgiven us for our sins, and I've sinned many a times.

[Dixon]

Amen.

[Rory]

How do you feel about being able to forgive somebody? Even if you don't want them in your life anymore? Somebody that did some fucked up shit to you and you don't want them in your life anymore, are you still able to forgive them?

[Dixon]

I think it depends on where you're at at mentally, emotionally, if you're at that, if you're that mature. Yeah, I've done it. I forgive people that have done some crazy shit to me that most people probably wouldn't forgive. But me not forgiving them does what, you know what I'm saying? Like, I think that energy is just on you. But when you forgive, you're like, listen, it's all good. And you kind of just move forward. I think that's a little easier sometimes because it's not on you. It's not like a constant thought or something that you're constantly thinking of. It's like, I'm over that. I've grown since that. I've matured since that. But you have to be at that point, though. You have to be at that point in your life where you just like. Cause when I was younger, you know what, I battle with that a lot, with finding out who killed my brother. And I think about that a lot. If I was to find out now, what would my reaction be? Would I want revenge or would I just be like, you know, kind of like, forgive, move forward. Because that's what the Quran says, right? Forgive. And you know what I'm saying? You move. But it's like, it depends on what day you ask me that. Just being honest, you know what I'm saying? Some days I'm like, fuck no, nigga. I gladly go sit down in prison to revenge my brother's death. You know what I'm saying? But then there's some days where I'm like, I can't put my moms through that. I can't put my nieces and nephews through that. I can't put my brothers and sisters through that. Like them having to come visit me in prison and all, like, you know what I'm saying? So you battle and that's like, you know, that's like the biggest thing they try to forgive somebody for is taking the life of one of your loved ones. But it's like, you have to get to that point where it's like, nah, I forgive and I move forward with my life. Family is blessed. Family is healthy. You look at those things and you kind of compare it to what would be the Point of me not forgiving this person. Like, what is that? That. What does that do now, again? Depends on which day you ask me, of course. Some days I'm strong, and some days I'm weak as a motherfucker. If you ask me on a weekday, where that at? I'm ready to go.

[Rory]

After we did three episodes.

[Dixon]

Oh, man, I'm ready to. I'm ready. I'm ready to raise hell after the guest. I'm ready to raise hell. I'm ready to raise hell, like, kill everybody. You know what I'm saying? But then there's some days where, you know, I get videos of my nephew playing golf, and I'm just like, man, my nephew, like, golf. That's fire.

[Mall]

Like.

[Dixon]

And I wanna see him grow and see him become a man and do things like, do I wanna do that from a prison? You get me? Like, you start thinking about the things that you won't be here for and the things that you'll miss. Me talking to my homeboys that's locked up and hearing how they talk about not being around for their kids and not being around for their family. Like, you weigh a lot of those things, and forgiveness sometimes is the best choice and just to move on.

[Rory]

Even if you never get an apology.

[Dixon]

Even if you never get an. Cause sometimes you don't need it. There's plenty of things that I moved on from that I don't want an apology from. I don't care to get an apology from. Like, it's like, for what? Like, I don't. I don't even. This person to me is not even. I don't care to have an apology from you. Like, it's just. Stay out of my way, though, you know what I'm saying? Like, we ain't gonna be hanging out kicking. Ain't none of that. I ain't that strong, you know what I'm saying? But it's just like, you know, I'm not tripping either, though. Like, I'm not bent out of shape. I'm not looking for no apology. I'm not looking for. Life goes on. Man. It's tough as. It's as tough as that is sometimes to just accept life does go. Go on, you know what I'm saying? And you have to go with life. Like, all right, it is what it is. Never forget. You don't forget what you've been through. You don't forget what you went through. You don't forget those feelings and those emotions, but you learn from them, you grow from them, and you kind of say, all right, well, I have to move with. Life goes on to me. I mean, I'm just speaking for myself. I can't speak for everybody, but I think it's easier sometimes to just kind of just forgive and move forward.

[Rory]

I agree. My biggest thing is I have a hard time with not getting the apology because now I.

[Dixon]

Cause you giving that person too much power. Too much. You giving them too much. You know what I'm saying? Like, you don't. What you need. What you need. What you need that person. Cause that's ego. A lot of that is ego that you talking about. Like, what you need that person to apologize for.

[Rory]

Because I hate when a motherfucker. Like, when I know I'm right. Like, I know I'm right. Like, in this scenario, I know I didn't do anything wrong. I know I'm right. And you just won't give that to me. And I know that that is ego, right? I know that that's ego, and I need to let that go. But it's like, nah, you need to fucking apologize. Cause you're not even. You're not even sorry. You ain't even gonna to be sorry. Nah.

[Dixon]

But you know what it is, though, Damaris? Like, when you know you right, the truth speaks for you. You ain't got to say a motherfucking thing. Sometimes you just watch the truth speak and you just sit there just looking at everybody like, I tried to tell y' all niggas this however long ago. So sometimes you don't need no apology from nobody. For what? Nah, you don't. You don't need. That's. We tell ourselves that. That's ego talking to us.

[Maul]

Us.

[Dixon]

You know, he gotta say sorry.

[Maul]

She got not.

[Dixon]

She can.

[Maul]

That she gotta apologize for that.

[Dixon]

For what? She know she know or he know. He know the truth. He know the real like, that gonna eat them up every. You know, sometimes when you just remove yourself from people, like, your presence and your energy, that's all you don't need. No, I don't need no apology from nobody. You ain't gotta say, I'm sorry. I was up. It was my fault. I don't need that. Because you ain't stopped nothing. It's been lit since that. Like, very true. Been. You know, I mean, so you. You look at that. All that other. Is just your ego talking to you like you don't need that. Man, we put too much on our e. But that's again. I know because I've been in those situations too. I'm like, I Didn't even need that. Like, that was stupid, but that was your ego. But as you get a little older, you start understanding, like, it's going to. Like the day going to end in the. And hopefully you see the next day and that's it. Just move forward. You don't need people to tell you that they up, yo, I was wrong. They know that already. And if they get to a place where they are ready to say that and admit that, then cool. But you don't need that though. Like, so we got to stop saying I need not. They got us for what?

[Rory]

How do you get better at not operating out of your ego as. As an adult? I. I've been struggling more with that, with my relationship. Like, I've. I peep it now, right, Because I. I peep it because I' healthier relationship. When I was a very bad space in a different relationship, it was okay for the ego to fly because we was just doing a whole bunch of toxic shit anyway. But now that I'm trying to be in a healthy relationship, I see my ego creep up. I'm like, oh, that was. That was ego. That wasn't necessary or that wasn't or. So I'm trying to get better at recognizing it and not speaking from it. But it's like in the back of my mind, I'm like, if something goes wrong and I didn't flex my ego, I'm going to regret it. And I'm trying to get out of that mind state.

[Dixon]

So the fact that you're trying to get out of it is great. That means. Cause you recognize it like, yo, that's unnecessary. So that right there is enough. Eventually you'll just see that you're just doing it. Like you just completely removed yourself from having that ego, where it's just like. Cause again, everybody got they shit. Everybody got their faults, everybody. Nobody's perfect. Life is tough for everybody. Some people's lives are tougher than yours. So when you just look at shit like that, like, from that perspective, like, let me remove myself and my emotions from this and let me just assess the situation, what happened, what's going on. Once you do that and you realize first, a lot of the times the energy you be trying to put into shit ain't even worth it. The situation ain't that serious. The moment ain't that serious. It's just like, remove that ego. Cool. As long as nobody put their hands on you, nobody ain't physically. Cause I need my lick back. You hit me, nigga, I'm hitting back that's what we doing. But if it's just actions and something somebody says, said, I don't care about that, man. That is. That's all ego talking to you. And you get to a point in life where you just like, no matter what happens, I'm gonna do what I want to do. I'm gonna enjoy myself. Like, I. Whether people are along for the ride or not, we gonna have fun. Ego will stop you from experiencing and really enjoying a lot of. Because you so caught up in your own thoughts, in your own mind of what you. How you feel like it's supposed to go and how you feel like it's. No, it's not. Sometimes it just. It's not what you. You overthinking. A lot of. You overanalyzing a lot of that. A lot of times we make up situations. That's not even a real thing. Like, that's not even. I hear people like, yo, I don't fuck with that nigga. What happened? And then niggas tell you what happened. You be like, that's what happened. Like, that's what all this. Y' all back and forth for that. Like, it. It be. It's like, yo, y' all just. It's ego talking.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Dixon]

And that's just. But that's. Again, that's human nature. We all have it. We all have been through it. But then you get to a point where you understand how to control it. You understand where to use your ego. Ego is good. It's good to have an ego. But you got to understand when and where to use it, though, and how to use it. Like, sometimes you need ego for competitive things and things like that. Like, to kind of talk to yourself and. And get yourself going, but, like, pushing it on situations, that's not even, like, serious or worth it. That's. That's. That's just immaturity. That's stupid.

[Rory]

Damn. That's some real ass wisdom coming from the birthday boy. Thank you.

[Dixon]

So, I mean, I'm just, you know, just trying to.

[Mall]

You know.

[Dixon]

Just trying to tell, you know me how it is, man. When you live long enough, you start looking at shit like, that was stupid. Oh, I should have never said that. I should have never did that. And I mean, I live. We. I'm in front of a mic and on camera, like, you know how much shit I say and years ago, and I hear now, I'm like, damn, I don't even. I'm not even that person no more. But it's. It's real in the moment. It's how I felt. If I'm older, more mature now, of course I don't feel those ways and think like, that I would hope that I've grown and matured since 10 years ago. You know what I'm saying? Like I said, 10, 11 years ago. No, I don't feel away about a lot of those things anymore. But in the moment, yeah, I may have felt like that, but that's where I was at in my life in that moment. And that's just. You gotta accept that from anybody. Like, that's just who they are. But again, when you start analyzing, just remove your ego from it a lot of times and just kind of look at the whole situation and you'll. You'll. You'll land on the right side. Once your ego is gone, it's easier to kind of, Kind of, kind of hit the mark. At least that's what I think, you know, I'm just giving you what I think. So in relationships, just remove your ego a little bit.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Dixon]

Why he ain't called me, why he ain't mine is more like, this world might be melting. This nigga might be going through a fucking depressed state. He ain't verbalized it. He ain't talked about be a lot of that too. You be like, yo, why he ain't. He's probably depressed or she's depressed as fuck. That's what I'm saying. It ain't got nothing to do with.

[Rory]

My problem is that I need everything to be like, I can be very tit for tat. I can be very like, oh, you doing this. I gotta double it.

[Mall]

That's true. Like that.

[Rory]

I gotta stop. I know I'm. I know, I know. I'm aware. And I try to get better at it. But it's like, you way too long to text me back. Not in my current relationship, but I would be like, oh, you wait too long to text me back. I'm gonna wait. I'm gonna double it. I'm double the time. You take 22 hours to text me back, I'm gonna take three to text me back.

[Dixon]

Where is that stemming from, though? Where you think that's stemming from?

[Rory]

If I was to be real honest with myself, like, real, real deep, what I think a therapist would. There's an insecurity in making sure nobody plays with me. I don't ever want. I don't want anybody to play with me. I never wanna look stupid. And if I was to dig real, real deep into that, it's probably because of shit that I endured in Childhood where I was embarrassed a lot as a kid just because of family shit or things like that. And it's just like, I never wanna be embarrassed again. I take embarrassment really, really hard. So I think that it's. That it's like, I'm never gonna give you the chance to say that you had, like one up on me. Like, I don't like that feeling. I don't like that feeling of, like, not being in control or somebody knowing something that I don't know. Like, I'm very nosy. That's why I used to have that phone problem. Not even because I would feel, like, always feel like somebody was cheating. It was just like, I never. I used to go through my friends phones when I was in middle school and high school. I would go and search my name, like, because it was like. Or in, like in college, because I would feel like, yo, are you talking about me behind my back? Like, is there something that you know that I don't know? Is there something you're saying about me that I don't know? I don't like that feeling. And I'm trying to let go of that because at one point I can see, oh, this has the potential to ruin my relationship with somebody that I. I love and I care about, because I don't trust that what they. What they say they feel about me, they actually feel about me. And that has more to do with, I'm sure, my own self worth or shit that I've gone through than anything that they've shown me. So I'm. I'm aware of that.

[Dixon]

So will we all have an insecurity?

[Rory]

Insecurity.

[Dixon]

Ego.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Dixon]

Human nature.

[Rory]

Human nature.

[Dixon]

But I'm getting better, getting older. Maturing and realizing your flaws and making those, you know, your strengths and kind of working on that. That's. That's it. It'll happen. But I'm glad that you understand that. That's exactly what that is. Insecurity, ego and shit like that. Cause that's all it is once you remove that. Cause either way, if you do search a man's phone and he's cheating, then what?

[Rory]

Then what? Then what?

[Dixon]

Then what? So it's just like either way it.

[Rory]

Go, it's like your heart gonna be broken either way.

[Mall]

That's okay.

[Dixon]

You gonna be out. All right?

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[Dixon]

You gonna move on. Life goes on, right?

[Rory]

If that don't work, get another one. If that one don't work, get another one. But y. Y' all have seen me come on this podcast and be madly heartbroken and then come in what, a month later? I was like, oh my God, I'm the happiest I've ever been in my entire life.

[Dixon]

It's like clockwork. As the seasons change, so does Baby.

[Mall]

D.

[Dixon]

As the seasons change, so does Baby D. I get it, it's all good. But you know, yeah, remove that ego insecurities and you know you'll be all right.

[Rory]

We gonna be good. We gonna be good.

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