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Loving yourself is really high on that list because if you don't love yourself, how on earth is someone else going to care about you in that deep way?
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Thinking Allowed Conversations on the Leading Edge of Knowledge and Discovery with Psychologist Jeffrey Mishlove.
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Hello and welcome. I'm Emmy Vadnais, co host with Jeffrey Mishlove. Today we'll be exploring our past Lives real with my guest Karen Kubico, who is a past life hypnotherapist, intuitive psychic reader and Reiki master. Karen completed the Past Life Therapy Professional training course with Dr. Brian Weiss. She received her hypnotherapy certification through the National Guild of Hypnotists. Karen is author of Life Is Just Another Class, One Soul's Journey Through Past Life Regression, Making True Love Healing Relationship Patterns through Past life regression and 10 signs you have lived a Past Life Inner Exploration Workbook. If you enjoy this program, please like subscribe, press the bell icon and share it with those who you think would also enjoy it. Karen is located in Pittsburgh. Now I'll switch over to the Internet video. Welcome Karen. It is a true joy to be with you today on New Thinking Allowed.
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Thanks Emmy. I really appreciate you having me on your show here with New Thinking Allowed, which is an amazing venue.
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Thank you for that. You have been practicing as a professional past Life hypnotherapist for 20 years and to get us started, I'm wondering if you can share about your own personal near death experience that brought you into this line of work.
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Sure. I I have two children. The first child came through C section. The second child was being trying to be born the regular route and it did not work out. They came through the prior section and it caused us both to have a near death experience. And at that time I didn't really realize it. I wasn't really open to all of this fun, I call it fun stuff. And it was me floating above the room in the operating room seeing what was going on. I Have a lot of clear memories of all the different otherworldly beings there. Me seeing myself laying there and knowing that she came out blue. And all of the trauma associated with that, kind of like watching over everything, talking, directing and. And all that kind of thing. And so it was really kind of. I didn't really get that I had that experience, except that then I started to see like otherworldly beings. Like, I saw my grandfather holding her a few months later. And then I went and talked to a. I went and talked to an actual psychic for the first time a few months after that. And he said, if I don't help her understand her third eye, that's not gonna be so great for her. And so I was like, I don't even know what a third eye is. So I went to find out and I finally, probably three years later, I came across a book. After going through lots of different things and looking up a lot of things, I found a book on children's past lives. I'm like, weird stuff, kids stuff. It's gonna have to be good, right? And so that really led me down this path of past life regression work. And it started me on all of this fun.
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During that near death experience, is there anything else that you recall or any other messages or anything meaningful to your life that has stuck with you?
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It woke me up in a. In a way that I didn't even comprehend at the time or was even aware that it was something that was going to make a change in my life. I mean, I started becoming aware of when my grandfather was holding her, real sweet and loving. And I was like, who, who did she wake up? Like, I didn't know she even woke up. And no response. It was kind of a fascinating thing. And then I started becoming a. More aware of two other ghostly beings that were in my own house at that time and wandering around. A little kid and an older man. And I could see the little kid and he would try to wake me up in the middle of the night. I don't know what he was trying to say to me. He never said words, but I could see him like, I can see you. And I was like, I don't know what to do with all this. So I didn't realize that I was, I had been woke because some. I really believe that a lot of people don't. Don't realize that they might have stepped out of their body, remember who they are as a spiritual being. And then they come back into their body and something shifts, something changes in a. In a real sense where your intuitive senses get awakened even more. And that is something that is very unsettling if you don't understand what that is or what that means or what that looks like or who even to talk to about that type of thing. Now you ask if I got any messages. I don't recall especially. I just remember feeling like I was above. I remember there being a ton of beings there with me and I remember talking with them and frantic. I remember feeling very frantic because I knew something was not right and I got very mama bear about it all. I remember being somewhat comforted, but I wasn't feeling at ease about the entire situation until she was able to come home from the hospital a couple weeks later. So, yeah, so that was a tough. That was a tough time, truly for me. I definitely had a second near death experience that I can tell you a whole lot more about because I was, in a sense, not prepared. I don't think you're ever prepared. But I was more. I understood what was happening. I was able to remember a whole lot more information. And I actually made a choice to come back here on this earth and stay here in this body. And so it was a very different, very, very different experience compared to. Would have been 14 years before that.
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Sure. Well, while we're on the topic, whatever you want to share about that second one.
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Well, you asked the question, what was the message? And so it was. I got to work with and talk to Archangel Jophiel and she was. I had. I was in the midst of a car wreck when this all happened. I didn't realize I passed out. My friend, who I was pulling in her parking lot, saw me sitting there motionless and called 91 1. But it was. I remember seeing her and she's like, there's this beautiful illumination of light above me and she's reaching through and she's like, come with me. And I took her hand and we went on this beautiful experience. In a sense, she was showing me a place that I'll potentially be at some future point in my life. It hasn't happened yet. And working more in depth with all these types of things, with talking with more angels and spirit guides and really giving that information. She taught. She taught me a lot of stuff, more than I can recognize and comprehend to share. And again, I made that choice to come here. She's. She's like, did you want to come back because you could stay? It was a free will choice. Just like all things are here in this life. And I chose to come back. My kids were still young and So I definitely wanted to be with them.
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What did the second near death experience share with you? Or what did you glean from that?
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You know, it's funny because, you know, you have these experiences, Emmy, and it's more like a. It's incomprehensible. Who do you talk about this stuff to? It's very surreal feeling like, you know, you don't really realize it's happening at the time. Who do you talk to about that? They're not gonna. They're gonna think you're nuts or whatever. Some people might, but it's more of a. When you find those folks and you start to have these conversations, it's. It can be very assuring in a real sense, because then people can be more open to knowing what happens after you step out of your physical body. Right. And. And it's really helps people know that there's. You don't just die and turn back into dust. In a sense, there is something more, there's choice involved in all that type of thing. And that really feels like part of the message. My own personal self, how my life was going before that. I started waking up, learning about all the past life fun and helping other people remember past lives, remembering my own and all that type of thing. And what happened is that then I started to really get in touch with connecting to all of the information that is along the lines of being very more open, getting more information from spirit guides and angels, and really connecting in with that knowledge. So I was kind of like, here learning, and then I had that car wreck near death experience, and then I was like, here understanding. I mean, it just really took me up quite the notch. It was almost like I went up several steps of understanding and really confidence in my intuitive guidance that I was receiving from whomever for whoever on the other side.
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After that first near death experience, you came across the book Children's Past Lives.
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Correct.
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By reading that, you then learned about Dr. Brian Weiss, who you then went on to go and get training from in past life regression therapy.
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Yeah, I. I mean, what a gift. He's an amazing person. Him and his wife had, I have to say, had taught that class at the Omega Institute in Rhinebeck, New York. And it was such a man once. It feels like once in a lifetime opportunity because I got to be chosen to be on the stage, to be regressed by him. So I was super excited about that. And so it just really gives you that confidence to work with other people and to understand, you know, there's so much more than just this experience. Really?
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Yeah.
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Let's look at the whole soul experience, our whole everything.
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Yeah. More than what meets the eye with the physical world.
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Absolutely. There's so much more, so much more.
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Now, Dr. Brian Weiss, he has written books like Many Lives, Many Masters. And if I recall correctly, he had a person, a patient he was working with, a woman, Catherine, if I recall her name. Yes, he was helping her, but in effect, she started telling him about his life. And I believe even she started recalling other past lives and telling him about his. Is that right? Or personal details.
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Wow. I don't know that exactly. I know that she. I know that in one of his books. This has been a minute since I've read his books, to be honest. And he doesn't really speak about that too much whenever he did teach the class. Now also keep in mind that was 20 years ago that I took that class in 2007. But it was. I know that he and I have had this experience too with people, actually. In fact, even this morning when I was working with somebody, I had someone from a higher dimensional perspective come through and give deeper knowledge. And so he had, through her, potentially. I don't remember exactly. I'd have to look at his books again, but I know he had another book, Messages from the Masters. Thank you. My guides are helping me out today. And so in that book he's talking about how other other worldly beings can speak through someone that you are regressing. And so as a past life regression hypnotherapist, helping people to remember these types of experiences, sometimes you get to that in between space where you are actively connecting in with your spirit guides, other, other guides and other levels and dimensional aspects in a way. And then they actually can start communicating through you or you hear them or they give you the message and then you relay it in that kind of way. And it's very, it's beautiful. Sometimes it's just beautiful. Honestly, Emmy, I mean, and it's, it's very, very interesting. But back to your question. When, when Brian, I know that there's a specific aspect in one of his books that I thought was interesting. This helped him like take that big leap. There's something more out there than just remembering a past life. He had to, he worked through him, his own stuff for I think five years or something like that before he was like, I probably need to write a book about this because it's something beyond normal, just hypnosis. And he was a. Prof. I think he was in charge of the Florida. I'd have to look University of something or whatever you know, as a psychiatrist.
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And so, yeah, I think he ran the department. The psychiatry department.
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Yeah. And so it was very much outside his comfort zone to even contemplate a past life and to begin with. And then he had someone. And I'm not sure if it was Catherine, to be honest. I'd have to look at his books. But it was definitely. Someone was coming through and talking to him about a child they had lost. And. And that was the. I think, the thing that switched his mind. I was like, yeah, there's something way more that we don't even understand. And so it's definitely helped him come to that perspective that it's all good, it's helpful and healing. It helped him.
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Yeah. So it was. He was doing hypnotherapy with Katherine, and I believe she spontaneously started having past lives and he started cataloging those. And then she started giving him detailed information about his life that only he and I believe his wife knew.
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Correct.
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Also, Brian Weiss was a judge for the Bigelow Institute for Consciousness Studies essay competition in 2021, where.
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Oh, that's cool.
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Where they had a. A competition to find the best evidence for the continuation of consciousness in the afterlife. And our very own Jeffrey Mishlove, who created the. This program New Thinking Allowed, he won the grand prize for that by pulling together a lot of information from people he had his own research and people he had interviewed from over the years. And so Dr. Brian Weiss was on that panel as well.
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That's awesome. No, he's a fabulous human being, really. Just genuinely nice person.
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Can you share a little bit about what that was like being regressed by him?
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Sure. Now, mind you, by the time I had had taken this class in 2007, I had actively practiced self hypnosis and was receiving some of my own personal information. I had gone and had a few past life regressions done by someone who was offering that here in Pennsylvania. And I convinced my girlfriend to help me remember some. I had had some background and understanding on some of my own past lifetimes. And so I was very much versed, in a sense, on some of my own past lives before that experience and understood the process a little bit on what it looked like when I was helping other people. And I. And for anyone listening that has ever attempted to or helped somebody remember their own past lives, man, you gotta have an open mind, first of all. But it definitely is helpful to have your own personal experiences because then you get what other people are understanding or seeing or feeling or however they're Receiving the information, and it helps you give them a better experience. So when I was in his class, he. He was looking for someone to do a quick induction, which means that they put you under like this. And he had me sitting on the edge of my chair. He's doing this. He's saying, I forget exactly how he did it. And I. And you know, it was back in 20 years ago where there was no cell service in this particular place. And I don't have any recording of it. Just such a bummer. But it is. I was. In an instant. My eyes are flittering, which is a common sign that you're in deep hypnosis, which is the same as a meditative state, which is the same as going to, like, a theta state, which is really making your brain waves relax. We go in and out of it all day. Some people are worried about the word hypnosis. And so I started remembering more of a past lifetime that had already come through for me. And I was a woman way back in. In the 1800s. There's such an interesting past lifetime. I started out being way down south someplace. The house burned, my parents perished, and I was taken here to Pennsylvania, to a little town that actually have a girlfriend there. And we visited the cemetery that's connected to where my aunt, who then took care of me, lived. And. And that was where she was buried. We knew exactly where she was. It was fun, actually. It's. I've never really shared that with anybody except my girlfriend. That's so funny. But I ended up in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, and I. Somehow, somewhere I've never figured out how. I've never delved back in to find out how I knew how to do Midwife help somehow. I don't know how I knew how to do that. I knew how to do that. And I had not helped many people, but I felt comfortable with it. And so I was there helping a woman. And this is the part that I remembered on the stage. And I. I remember in such detail. I'm very visual, Emmy. And so I am describing the wallpaper, the end table, the bed this lady's laying on her. She's a mess. She's sweating, she's pregnant. I'm nervous. I'm describing all the emotions and everything, and I am very much aware of the windows and what time of day it is and everything. So many details are coming through. And it didn't work out. She was. She was having a tough time, and I don't exactly know why. The baby didn't come through easily, but the Baby survived, but the mother did not. And it was just. I was an emotional wreck. And I'm crying, I'm explaining all this kind of stuff happening. It's. It's a little gory to describe, but I was describing that to the crowd of a thousand people, I think. I don't know, at least there was so many people there and taking his class. And it was. I'm like, making motions and all this kind of stuff. And a woman that I had sat next to, she's like, why your voice even kind of had an accent to it. So that was kind of interesting. I mean, it's a year, a couple hundred years ago or something like that. And so. But what's interesting is that I remembered at that moment. No, I'm trying to remember if I remember, if I knew at that moment that little baby was my child that I had in this current lifetime that came through in a very traumatic way also in this life. And so it was interesting that that happened twice for them as a. As a. How they incarnated into this life. So that was a fascinating thing. But they came back to me again, again in this life. So that was wonderful. And I started caring for her as a child in that past lifetime also. So that was also wonderful. The person that I was trying to help, interestingly, is my sister. And I recognized that. And there's a whole other big long story of how interesting things all happen in this current life connected to past lifetimes, to that. But when I was on the stage, I'm remembering all these details and all these different things and coming through, and it was just fascinating. I mean, just to remember all that with his help. And I can remember people asking questions. Are people supposed to move around like that? Because I'm knocking the microphone out of his hand. I didn't know. And, you know, it's just a funny thing, but it was. It was interesting to, To. To have that experience. He's so. He knew, like, he knew exactly what to ask next to help you in the process.
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Well, before we go further into your personal and professional experiences with past lives, I think it's. This is a good time to address the veracity of them. And of course, we know there is work by Dr. Ian Stevenson and the University of Virginia Department of Perceptual Studies. And in fact, I believe there's over 2,000 cases where children remember their past lives and they consider those cases solved because there was so much evidential information. And the children were also able to share accurate, detailed information that they wouldn't have otherwise been able to know.
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True, yeah. I mean, I haven't read all of his work, but I definitely am familiar with it. And I mean birthmarks, markings that you have on your physical body in this lifetime can sometimes, I can't say always sometimes be directly connected to a past life trauma. And so like it's. If you think of your physical body as a expression of your energy body, if you have trauma or energy or emotion that's stuck in a sense within you, and if you're born with that because you've never resolved it on some level, then you, it comes through again. Let's pretend you have a birthmark like on your hand or something like that. And maybe in a past life, maybe we're in a war and something happened to your hand. When you're shooting your gun or throwing the arrow or whatever you were doing, something happened to your hand. So in this current lifetime you have this great big brown spot, it's a birthmark of some kind. And you come through in this current lifetime with it and you're like, I don't know why I have that there. And you remember a past life and you remember that experience and it comes through and you're like, oh, that completely explains it. That marking looks exactly like that wound that I had that caused my death or whatever. I mean, I used to have a birthmark right here that was. It's very interesting because one of the reasons I looked into Ian Stevenson is because of that. And I had that used. It's not there anymore. It's so weird. And I was like, I don't understand. I didn't know that was going to happen. But I had like a bullet hole size birthmark right here on my neck. I have some really old pictures of me from high school online that show it when it was there. But I remembered the lifetime where I had been in a speakeasy for the one and only time and got shot because the mob didn't like that this place had opened up a new speakeasy in their territory in New York area. And I was shot by a stray bullet and died. And there was so much frustration and anger I didn't get to have the beverage. Not that I cared. I went there to dance, but it was just a fun time. And I saved up so much money to buy the outfit and do all the stuff. I was very, I died very frustrated. So all that frustration was in that bullet shot hole in a sense. And it manifested in this current life or expressed in my physical body as a birthmark in this life. And when I remember that lifetime and did forgiveness work, which is so important, Emmy, I didn't realize it would go away. And so a couple months later, I'm talking to my girlfriend who helped me remember this lifetime. Like, we need to sit in the sun with the kids some more because my birthmark's gone away. And that's never happened. It's never faded. It's never changed my whole life. And all of a sudden it's going away. It was so bizarre. And so it. It's never come back. It's like you can't even see it. It used to be a very dark brown spot. It's bizarre. It's bizarre. But I didn't know. And I. So I have to tell you this. So I'm. I'm going into a past life regression again to try to do some more work when I was writing my first book, and this information's in there. And so I'm, I'm on. I go into a past life. I go through a past life death. And you can get into the middle to the in between state. Kind of no different than where you go when you have a near death experience. Emmy and I see the angels and they're doing some healing work on you while after you have a past life, and they're helping you cleanse out all this humanness and all the worries and, and things and to prepare you for whatever else is next in your choices of, of what you want to do. And I said to them, hey, why did, why did you guys leave that birthmark here that. That last time? And they're like, oh, we gave you something to talk about in this lifetime. And I was like, oh, okay.
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Well, I think that's such an important piece because so many people wonder, is this real? Do we really have past lives? Why don't we remember them? And how do we know that what we recall is actually accurate versus just our imagination making something up?
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There's no other explanation for that. No other explanation for that. So, like, why would I have that birthmark to begin with? It's random. And why would it just. Literally within a few months after remembering and doing forgiveness work from that past lifetime, it go away. I mean, there's no, there's no logical reason on this earth and this human body to understand that. I mean, for someone that's not sure if they're actually remembering a past life, some of the ways that you can know without a doubt that you have experienced a past life memory is. There's emotion to it. I mean, A lot of people when they're experiencing past life regression work where they're remembering a past life. I can't even tell you how many times people say, man, I never cry. And there's tears dripping down their face the whole time. Emotions coming up, right? Because sometimes there's emotions that have not been expressed from such a long time ago that come through, that are ready to be just kind of burst out and in some kind of way that it's unresolved. And so now you get that opportunity to remember it in a sense, to resolve it and let that let it go, let it release in some kind of way, another way that you can know that it is a past life memory. I have had people actually take the information that they remembered and look it up online. They found themselves on ancestry. They have found, like, validation about it. The most obscure, interesting thing that someone said one time during a past life regression is that they were in Egypt. They, they had something to do with scrolls and they were putting a wax seal on it, but they knew they had different colors of wax that they had to use depending on what it was or how important it was or whatever. And they were specifically using blue, I think, as a wax. And I was like, is that even a thing? And we looked it up online when they were done, and honest to God, there. There's different seals that were used back in Egyptian time based on different things. And she knew all the information. How. How would she know that? You know what I mean? So there's another example, and I've had tons of people look up stuff that's exactly like that. I mean, I have this other guy, and I always remember this one because it was, it was so. It was so specific in this life. He's an engineer in a past life. He's like an architect. He designed some beautiful church over in California. He knew the name, where it was, how it looked, all the stuff, intricate details. How would he know that? So he's done with the session. We're googling, because why not? And we found the exact church that he was talking about. He's like, oh my gosh, this exactly looked like. I mean, it's such a cool experience. How would he know that? You know? And so, like, those kinds of things can give you validation. Now. There's lots of ways to recognize that you've had a past life without even doing a past life regression. I mean, you might meet somebody that you have only met just for the first time, and you all of a sudden, you just feel so comfortable with them. And often people who may or may not believe in past lives say, oh, my gosh, I feel like I've known you for lifetimes, or we've had a past life together or something like that, you know, and it's not just a pickup line or whatever. It definitely is. You really feel that? You both feel that? Where's that coming from? You know, we travel into these lifetimes in soul groups, and so people who are familiar with each other and they come into these lifetimes again and again together because they're, like, on the other side saying, hey, I want to try to learn this and that you're willing to do that, Emmy, come on, let's do it. You're like, yes, let's do it. And we come down and we have this life together, and it's a great time. So, I mean, those. Those are some of the ways that you can recognize that you've had a lifetime, and you. You don't even know why. Some other examples are like, you know, if you really love a particular city or a musical instrument or. Or something that is just where would you get that information? Your parents never did that kind of thing. You weren't so interested in that, and you have no reason to just love that whatever. It could be anything historical in a sense, or a country or whatever. And then you come to find maybe lots of years later that you've had a past life there and maybe was very loving or you played an instrument and you were so good at it, and then you picked it right up again in this current lifetime, and you're, like, magically insane good at it. You know, why. Why do you think that? I mean, even just looking at some of these YouTube videos where these little kids are incredible dancers or can play the piano like Mozart and just go at it crazy good there. You think that. Just pick that up randomly. I mean, where do you think that's coming from? You know, it's just incredible. And a lot of kids can spontaneously remember their own past lifetimes, and I've talked to a lot of parents about that. It's. They bring that information forward, and they're remembering it with. Without any effort. I mean, there's. There's a lot of other examples for that, Emmy, but, I mean, mostly it's about the emotional aspect of it and the validation that you can receive by looking yourself up, in a sense, validating some of the historical information that came through. My guides are actually telling me to mention one more example, if you don't mind. The. The other example. They feel like Is, is really helpful. They're like, no different than how I described. I went back into a specific past lifetime when I was working with Brian Weiss that one time. Another way that you can validate that this is a real memory. It's no different than looking into your own past experiences in this current life. You remember stuff from whenever you're 20, whenever you're 30, whenever you're 15. Random little information. When you go into a past life, clearly you don't have time to remember all the thousands and thousands of hours that are involved with that particular past lifetime. But you, when you remember just a snippet of a past lifetime, you can go back, remember more, and then you can go back and remember more, and pretty soon you have kind of like a gist of that whole storyline of that past lifetime, you know, and so it's, it's really, it's really nice to be able to connect to all of that. And normally, anytime that you remember a past lifetime, Emmy, it's always about helping you in this current lifetime in some form or fashion. And that's really the important aspect.
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Yes, it seems that pretty much all of us have certain topics we're interested in or certain aversions. And some people are naturally just good at something. Maybe it's sort of. We sometimes refer to that as like maybe a gift or some type of an innate ability. There's also xenoglossy, which I think you also experienced, where people can start speaking another language that they were never trained in in this lifetime.
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True. And I have had other people come through with that knowledge too. I mean, I, I have a clear memory of being this woman. Her name was Ujiwa in Cambodia, way back quite a long time ago. I mean, I can tell you everything about her hair, the pick she used to try to comb it out and, but she talked about the name of the city, Udung. I, I, I. In this current lifetime, I got nothing. And then she said a couple other words that were. I didn't know what they meant, but I knew what they meant coming out of her mouth. You know what I mean? One was the description of the female lion that caused my death in that lifetime. And a couple other words I'd have to actually look at my notes to remember because they're not my, it's not my language whatsoever. But U Dung is, is in Cambodia. It's a city now. It's a different. I think it's Phnom Penh. They just reminded me. It's. I can't even say that word. Right. I don't think. And so that's what its current day name is. And I found, and I did some googling to try to. What the heck, Udon. I mean, and it was, I found some obscure thing that talked about it previously had been named Udang. And so, I mean, it was like, how would I know any of that? It was so interesting. And lots of information like that can come through when you're remembering a past life, especially if it's a memory that's yours and you know, you. It's no different than you remembering where you went to college in this current lifetime or something like that, or your high school teacher that was like one of your favorite inspirational teachers or something. You remember those kinds of details and things like that again. And what's important to you?
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Why is it important or helpful for some people to remember their past lives? Because some people have suggested that we have what we need in this lifetime and we bring from our previous lives if they're real and they seem they're real with us to this lifetime.
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I guess I can tell you my why, why I thought this was fascinating. Why, why I was inspired to do all this and to get actively involved with it, to help so many others to have connection to their whole soul experience, not just this experience that you're having right now because you're so much more than this. And we're having all this at once, which is a way bigger thought process topic if you think about understanding that we're more than just this humanness. No different than why do you have that mystical skill? Or no different than why are you connected to. I mean, I really want to go to Paris or whatever the case may be. I mean, that's for me. But I mean, it's just like, you know, why, why do you feel that way since you're a small child? Why do you want to do all those kinds of things and love all those specific things? And you know, for me, I was looking into all this information and I found Carol Bowman's book on children's past lives because it was very inspirational in a sense, her story. Cool that she talked about all the other stuff. And fascinating that my child actually had a past life memory come through spontaneously based on just asking an open ended question when she's three. I mean, and it helped her in some way. I was like, wow, this is magical. Something's different here. And so Carol Bowman's story was that she was able to spontaneously remember a few past lifetimes during an episode where she was having a hard Time breathing. And at that time, she remembered a couple past lives. It started going away. She worked with somebody else to help her understand it. And she never had that issue again. Whereas where previously to that from what I remember in her prologue, or I think it's a prologue in her book, it is. She's talking about having had this issue for many, many years, and then all of a sudden it went away because she remembered a couple past lifetimes. I'm like, hey, if she could do it, I can do it. And so I thought, well, I'll see what I can figure out from my own asthma that I had at the time. And, you know, honestly, it took me a solid month of trying to remember a past life through listening to a guided meditation. And the very first memory that I had was the past life experience that was connected to why I had stopped having an easy time breathing, in a sense. And it took a solid five years before I remembered enough of that, Felt comfortable with the process, understood what you had to understand in a past life memory. And I went back into that past life many times on purpose because I was determined, man, to figure this out. And I found so many other past lifetimes, most of which are included in my book. Life is just another class. Honestly, that's part of the inspiration for that book. And what prompted me to get started to do that book. And when I was actually in the hospital, seriously gonna die. I mean, they. They actually. One of the doctors told me a couple weeks afterwards that we really thought you were gonna not come home from the hospital. And I was having such a breathing issue, I couldn't even communicate. Say, say a whole sentence without. And then say a word and say. I mean, it was horrible experience, but obviously I got through that. That was back in 2010. I had a very, very vivid dream and a memory of that specific past lifetime. The very first one. I had other information come through in the meantime. I had a memory of that vision again. And then I saw the connection between this current lifetime and that past lifetime. And then I felt better. I was out of the hospital a few days, and it was like, wow, that was. Took a long time. But that was. That was pretty interesting how that all came about, right? And so, you know, it's kind of no different than the birthmark. I didn't expect that to happen. I just was like, oh, that's interesting. And I still don't believe it because I'm. I. If I look at old pictures of myself, it's still there. But it. I mean, it's. It's it's really about, Emmy, figuring out if, you know, if there's something going on in your current life right now that is unexplainable. Maybe you have a fear of flying, maybe you have a fear of heights. And in no instance in this current lifetime have you had anything connected to that or you have just this super intense love for this, this or that. Why? Right. Is it because you really just like that or is it deeper? Is it because, you know, you just, you know, even the people who reenact and stuff like that. Do you think you might have had a past life then? I mean, I'm just throwing it out there because why are you so head over heels in love with doing all that kind of thing? And so when you can make that connection to it and, and you understand, oh, now I understand why I love French so much and French things in France and everything about it for me personally. But I've met other people who just want to go do this and they want to play that instrument and they want to do these things. And I mean, I've met so many people loving so many different kinds of things. But, you know, it's, it's helping you understand more of your. You're so much more than this experience at this moment.
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What do you think is happening when you and the people you have been helping are able to recall their past lives? Like, what is the mechanism or why does that seem so beneficial for helping with. It seems there's like healing happening sometimes
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people use the fancy word catharsis. Even if you're remembering something from this current lifetime, let's say, for example, and this is a past life, it feels like a common thing. But you could apply to any life, any experience, current life, whatever. Let's say, for example, you're a young child, your parents split up, your dad leaves for some reason, okay, you, in this current life as a five year old, feels abandoned. Okay, so then you suffer from, I feel like I'm going to be abandoned. You have this abandonment issue situation happening continuously in this current lifetime. And then you start to, as an adult, you go back and think about that life that you were living as a five year old in this current life, and you recognize, oh, my dad left because of this and I found out this about my mom and was I really abandoned? No, they're just going through their own stuff. So you get a different perspective and that gives you that gift of that different perspective that causes the catharsis, the healing in a sense, on a different way. You release some of that you forgive your father. Hello, great thing to do, always forgiveness. It doesn't matter who or what it is that you're forgiving, but you're forgiving that and you are releasing that subconscious flow of energy that you're. Hey, that anger, that frustration, that resentment, that's towards your dad from him abandoning you, where in sense he was doing something completely different. I have had so many people just remember past lives with that one subject, abandonment, where something happened to a parent and then they believed that that person on purpose left them. In the meantime, they might have. Let's pretend it's a couple hundred years ago. There's not communication easy, right? We're not going to just call up and be like, hey, no one's answering their cell phone. Or you can find somebody on the Internet, on social media someplace else. And you knew what happened to them. None of that was occurring. So let's go back to the 1400s. Your parent goes away and they never show back up. And you're like, oh my gosh, I'm abandoned. But meanwhile, they probably passed or something bad happened. You have no idea and you never figure it out. But when you go into a past life regression, let's pretend you have an abandonment issues, reawaken somehow in this current lifetime, you go back into a past lifetime and then you get to have that higher perspective, oh, my parent passed. That's why they didn't come back. Let me forgive them. And then you have love for them and you've released that whole trauma from a different perspective and now you can feel resolved, you have that catharsis.
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It sounds like forgiveness is very important for, shall we say, healing ourselves through past lives. And sometimes, maybe like even in a current life, how therapy can be really beneficial. We might need to process our emotions before we can get to a place of having compassion for ourselves and others, maybe.
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Right. Well, it's true, Emmy. I mean, if you are. So the way that I look at forgiveness is. Is very. The way they show it to me visually, because I'm very visual. It's almost like you are literally giving your energy to the trauma. You're giving it every time it comes to mind. Every time you have a trigger, a memory of I don't know why I feel like I'm abandoned or what. We'll use that example since we were just talking about it. You're giving your literal energy to it. Right. And so that drags you down. Drags you down. And so when you can recognize from a, from that different, higher perspective, in a sense or A different viewpoint of what happened there. You no longer give your energy away, right? And so then you can feel more whole, more happy, more complete. Your vital life force energy is raised up more. Your vibration, however you want to refer to that, it feels more. You feel more vibrant because more of you is not giving your energy away to something else. And when that happens, then you can feel more love towards yourself. So for me, forgiveness is. You're not giving your energy, even on a subconscious level, away. Even whenever I release that forgiveness of the birthmark that I had here, I didn't realize that birthmark was truly connected until I was in the midst of remembering that past lifetime. When I did the forgiveness work, for example, I forgave myself. I forgave the guy who brought me. I forgave the metal of the bullet that hit me. The bullet, the guys in the mob, the mob itself, the entire party, the music that I was playing, because that was part of it, the smell of the gas inside this boat we were in for this speakeasy, the people who created the bill or whatever, to have the prohibition happening, which if a young person is listening for a short period of time, people were not allowed to drink alcohol here in the United States. It was called Prohibition. So history lesson, but it, it was. They had these hidden places you could go to get alcohol. And mobs mostly ran it, I think. I'm not sure a hundred percent. I don't really know all the facts, but I know that I forgave all things involved with everything and everything that was part of that. And it really made for a deep healing. It's funny because I have noticed and I'm getting a little off subject here, but like, if I would have had, let's say, for example, an allergy to a particular kind of metal, wouldn't have been interesting had it been that metal of that bullet that was impacting me and causing my death. So I always include the wood, the metal, the whatever that has caused someone's death. And I've seen that come up in past life regression work with people.
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Interestingly, it seems that sometimes people can recall a past life, have a cathartic experience quickly, maybe. I know you describe in your book that you had to, in several cases, go back several times to remember different pieces of the past life, to be able to piece it together and have probably different emotions for that to heal. And I would imagine that there might be people who, even if they do that, they still carry some of that here in this lifetime with certain dynamics with certain people, groups, organizations, countries, and so forth that still need attention in this here and now as well. Maybe.
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Yeah. I mean, it's, it's. It. I guess it depends on what the trauma is. You know, there's so much and there's only. You have a little bit of time whenever you're working with somebody to help them remember a past life. And so you try to get down to what's most important for them at this moment. If you have a fear of swimming in an ocean or murky water or something like that, it might be a couple different past lifetimes that have affected you in that kind of way. And sometimes it's not directly connected. Like I have an example that of sliding down a hillside into an empty, uh, it was a seller and stuck there. And then in this current lifetime, and I recognize in another past lifetime, I had a fear of steps in a weird way. And not really so much in this lifetime, only I, I. It's almost like I transferred that fear onto my children when they were little. I was so phobic, they were going to fall down the steps. I had gates at both sides, and there was no door to shut, you know, at these, at this stairwell. And it was a weird, weird OCD thing that I created as soon as I remember that past lifetime where I fell down the hill made the connection. And my. My youngest even called the steps a bumpy mountainside, which I thought was weirdly coincidental because in that past lifetime that I remembered, I fell down the side of a bumpy. And I feel. I could feel the bumps of the rocks as I was sliding with uncontrollably down the side of the hill. And, you know, and it was transferred onto my fear of my kids falling down. In a past life, my mother had to drag me up and down this set of stairs to the apartment we had lived in back in the day. And it was just a weird, transferred fear that I had that was unresolved until I did a whole lot of forgiveness work for that day. Bumpy mountainside. And that caused my. My slide to death.
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What role does intuition play in past life? Discovery, understanding. Of course, we're talking about some examples for healing. And you also mentioned earlier that it can help us to understand our whole selves and maybe our connection to the greater all as well. And how does intuition support that?
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I love that you're talking about this, Emmy, because I know you are passionate about helping others with their intuitive abilities. Honestly, you know, if you don't trust your own impersonal intuition, it's. Especially if you're listening to a guided meditation to help you remember a past life. And you don't have someone, one on one guiding you like I offer as a service. If you're not trusting what you're receiving, however you're receiving it, and many people receive it very, very differently. Where I might see something, because I'm very strong in sensing and seeing and hearing. That's my psychic abilities number, you know, the top ones for me, other people might have the entire experience where they feel it, they feel that they feel this. Where I'm like literally looking at it, you know what I mean? And describing it. Where other people have had experiences where they get. They just get a knowing. I give this example often, Emmy. You know, you look at an old photo, and on that photo is a picture of you. That's all that's there. That's all you know. But you know that your mom bought you the outfit, you know, you were going to some fancy thing, you know, you ruined the shoes. None of that is in the picture, you know, so when you're remembering a past lifetime, you might just get a knowing. There's a horse and wagon of hay. You might get a knowing what year it is, what your name is, that's your spouse, that type of thing. You don't know how you know, you just know. And so that is another way you can receive information. But I think the funniest one or most interesting, intriguing one, the sense of smell. I mean, people smell bread baking and fires burning to cook things on, and all kinds of interesting things can come up with a sense of smell. It's a strong connection to memories.
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Yeah. I believe it goes directly into the limbic system in the brain. The olfactory system is connected literally into the brain. So it's the quickest way for us to connect with our past memories, our associations to scents and smells.
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Yeah, I mean, I have. I have taken people into a past life experience. They've gone through the light, they're in the greeting room, and Passover people from this current lifetime show up. And the reason they know they can smell their cologne or their perfume or something like that connected with them. And then they're like, wow, I smell my pap's cologne or whatever, and then all of a sudden they're aware that they're there. It's. It's incredible.
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You just said something very quickly there.
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Which part?
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Not only do you help people remember past lives, but it sounds like you take them through the death process of that past life. And you mentioned a green room, Is that right?
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A greeting room.
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Oh, you mentioned a greeting room. Okay, yeah.
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So like when you, when you. Normally. I'm going to say normally because sometimes people linger and thus earth plane and. But normally. Well, when that comes up, I hope I'm going to light, I have to say. But normally what happens is you recognize your past and whether or not you choose to go through that death experience or not is up to that person. It doesn't have to happen. You can skip over that part. You definitely don't have to re. Experience any of the trauma. And honestly you don't. It's like a fraction of you just get a knowing or an understanding. Yeah, they got, I got shot. You know, and so darn. And, and they recognize you step out of your body and that's literally, that's literally sometimes a reaction. Darn it, you know, you're frustrated about it or whatever. Or, or if you're an older person and you're. And, and you've been through a bad time, you know, you step out of your body, it's a relief, you feel blissful, that type of thing. But once that occurs, you know, you get past that in a sense hump of that end trauma moment. Whether or not it's a true trauma or it's just peaceful, you start to recognize there are angels and guides there for you. Passover people can be standing right there waiting for you. You know, I've talked to so many people where they have mentioned that, you know, their, their grandmother who's in the midst of, of the final moments, they're seeing people from the other side come through. They're like, hey, Uncle Henry's here, Grandpa Joe is here, whomever, that type of stuff, you know, because they're, they're in and out of this physicalness and starting to feel comfortable with moving into the next. And so the next is the heaven space. That's how I see it personally. And so you start to see this beautiful light. And either that people describe it being all around them, encompassing them, or they see an actual light in the distance and they come closer, then all of a sudden they're inside of it. The next thing that happens is that they're in this beautiful illuminated space and it's filled with people who care about them. And first and foremost, normally what comes through is their spirit guide, sometimes an angel. Today when I was working with somebody this morning and a spirit guide came through, they were fully aware of angels around them, helping them through a past life experience. And then we had this one on one great conversation with her spirit Guy was amazing, actually. I mean, but then at that moment, when this types of thing, these types of things are happening even now, now they're making me think of someone I helped the other day. I mean, she went right to this space, no past life involved, straight to the in between. And she's talking to spirit guides, she's aware of angels around her. And then all of a sudden, pastor people are coming through. And I was like, magical. And so it's always a beautiful moment when that happens. I never expect or assume that it will. I just let it happen organically because it's what they're meant to experience at that moment. And if they're open to receive it, then perfect. And so it is. It's definitely a nice, loving way to connect. And it's interesting that not only do Passover people from that other lifetime come through, but past people from this lifetime come through because it's. They're all there for you, all of them. You know, it's a beautiful thing.
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You have helped many people at this point over 20 years, I would imagine. And why do you think it seems to take a little effort to get into that relaxed inner focus state to allow a past life to come forward? Although sometimes there are people who spontaneously recall past lives. True, but why do we not retain that information in this lifetime, do you
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think, when we're born? Well, we know some of it. But wouldn't it be confusing if your parents were somebody else in another lifetime and you fully remembered that, Emmy, especially as a young child? How do you explain that? You know, I think the confusion is part of why that happens, Emmy, because it wouldn't. Like, like just imagine your 2 year old trying to be your. Because they were a mother to you in a past life, trying to tell you what to do. And you're like, well, you didn't listen to me last time. What the heck, you know what I mean? And they're giving you a hard time. I can just envision my own children doing that to me. And wouldn't it be, wouldn't it be odd and make your job as a parent so difficult? And there might, there might be some resentment harbored too, you know, that you might have forgotten about, that maybe you chose to have a lifetime with your parents again in this current lifetime to really understand, you know, once and for all, I'm going to actually stand my ground and set some boundaries in that kind of way. I mean, a lot of people have a lot of tough times with their parents. And if you start to see that different perspective but, man, if you came through knowing all this stuff, you're not ready, you know, so it would be. So it would be super confusing. I mean, if we came through and recognized we've had thousands of lifetimes and they were in so, you know, 30 of them, and you're like, man, that one lifetime when you did this to me, oh, my gosh, I'm never going to get over that. You're five years old having this conversation. I mean, I don't feel like that would be beneficial in this current life. Right. I feel like that might be why
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we forget who needs kindergarten at that point.
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Right. Like, you miss that whole. That whole fun with crayons and everything. Come on. Kindergarten was fun.
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Well, certainly we've mentioned the work of Ian Stevenson, and this topic implies that reincarnation is very real. And you mentioned that people can have thousands of lifetimes. And I'm curious if you have any kind of number as to how many lives people typically live and to really what end? Like, what is, what is the purpose? What is it? What is it that people are developing? Because the title of one of your books is Life is Just a Class.
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Yeah, it's another class because some people
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don't love being here and would prefer to not come back again.
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Well, so if you want to get off this crazy train. They just told me to say those words if you want to get off the crazy train, which is, it's, you know, it's. I don't know. This earth is so beautiful. I love it. And I love that there's so many different things that you could experience and do and see and, and learn about here on this Earth. There's so thousands and thousands of things, and I think that's part of the draw for people to have an experience here. But I feel like, you know, ultimately the goal and one of the reasons why I wrote that book on life is just another class because I personally wanted to know, what is the fuss about? Are we just thrown into these lifetimes or are we actually on a path? Is it because we're learning this and then we learn this and we learn a little bit more and we learn a little bit more because it definitely feels like we go up a couple steps, down a couple steps, up a couple steps, up a couple more, down 5. Do you know what I mean? And it's really, you're trying to learn on a soul level. So, like, there are some soul level lessons that can be learned, and they're like loving. Loving yourself is really high on that list. Because if you don't love yourself, how on earth is someone else going to care about you in that deep way? How. Because you. And if you don't respect yourself, how do you expect somebody else to respect you? And so those kinds of things are not something you just automatically learn. It definitely feels like it is a slow learning type of situation and it takes time. However, I have to mention, Emmy, every single time that I work with somebody or we get to a point where we're talking to a council member spirit guide. That's the type of spirit guide, from my perspective, that helps you pick out a lifetime. They're like, are you sure I want to do this? It's your free will, you know, you don't have to come back in this life, you know. And so it's no different than how we're experiencing everything in this current life. It's our free will experience. It's. It's your free will to choose to interview me. My free will to be on your show. Right. All good. Free will toys. I know. Hey, thank you. I'm so glad you invited me. And so it's. It's like free will to do and be whatever we choose. Right? What do you want to choose? It's really if you go to and towards that positive loving direction, always, you're going to receive that positive loving return in a sense. And so really connecting in with that is. Is. Is so important. But you know, if, if you want to get off this. I don't know why somebody on my spirit team is calling it a crazy train. They have never called it that.
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I think it's sometimes referred to as. Is it the Samsaric Samsara, the wheel of reincarnation.
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It's definitely. They refer to it as like how a mouse is on the wheel. You're spinning endlessly and getting nowhere. I don't feel like it's like that. But however, if you do the inner work, Emmy, I mean, that eliminates the lessons that you're trying to learn on a bigger, grander soul level scale. And whenever they show me, you know, somebody's whole soul experience, it doesn't look like this lifetime and then that lifetime, it's all at once. And you know, you're learning so many different things through all of it. And you're picking up this and that and here and there and, and, and then in this lifetime, sort of like a combination of some of these different things. I mean it's. You can't learn it all at once. Cuz there's so much. But I think Ultimately, the goal is to connect to these higher dimensional chakras in a very conscious way. And the more that you understand and connect to those higher dimensional chakras, you understand that you are an energetic being having this human experience. You're a spiritual being first and a human once in a while, and you really get the energy, the manifestation, all of that understanding. There's no reason to have a human experience anymore. But that takes a lot of time, effort, and inner work to get there.
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Is it all about lessons and learning? Or are some of our lives for pleasure, joy, love, or is that really what we are striving toward?
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So that's a great question, Emmy. I mean, it is. You know, first, I think we're learning lessons, right? And they aren't. They don't have to be hard. A lesson can be to open your heart to love. That can be a lesson. Learning everything that you can about the unconditional love and how to give it, how to receive it and all those types of things. I mean, I feel like that is a big deal lesson also, you know, but sometimes you have to overcome all these other things like how to communicate and set boundaries and use your intuition. I mean, that is also a lesson. Opening yourself up to these higher dimensional chakras, opening your crown chakra up so that you're connecting to the other side, communicating to our spirit guides like you and I are doing as we're having this conversation. I mean, wouldn't it be easier if we all did that? You know, it's just really a way, a different way of thinking about it. Do you have to have a human experience Is. Is and to be able to learn these kinds of things? Sometimes, yes. Because I feel like it's just one small aspect of so much more than who we really are. And, you know, we're learning on all levels.
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B
Beautiful. Karen, is there anything else you want to share today? Knowing that we've covered a lot about our past lives. Real. Before we wind down, if you feel
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inspired, I'm talking to our listeners out there that you are like, man, maybe I want to explore and understand more about who I really am on a soul level. I mean, I have books. You have books on how to trust your intuition. I mean, I have an online course that's on my YouTube channel that you can go through a lot of different ways to trust your intuition, to recognize what you need to do to prepare for a past life, and guided meditations and things. I mean, there's a lot of knowledge out there. Go down that rabbit hole, see what you find what are you resonating with to work with and understand? You know, past life regression was something I resonated with and that's how I learned how to heal myself the most. But other people might find other ways. So I just, I guess I I'm putting out there. You know, if you're moved to, to to do the inner work, find the way that you resonate with to do that.
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That is great advice. Karen Kubico, thank you so much for being with me today and sharing your wisdom with all of us. I have truly enjoyed this conversation. Thank you for being with me.
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Thanks Emmy. I really enjoyed being here and having the chance to speak with you about all these topics.
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And for those of you watching or listening, thank you for being with us because you are the reason that we are here.
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