Podcast Summary: Neurodiversity, Part 6: Update with Annika and Tristan

Podcast: New Thinking Allowed Audio Podcast
Date: May 3, 2025
Host: Dr. Jeffrey Mishlove
Guests: Annika and Tristan

Overview

This episode offers a unique, in-depth update on Annika and Tristan—a pair sharing what they describe as “two souls in one body.” The conversation explores their lived experiences navigating society, their evolving understanding of consciousness, soul dynamics, out-of-body experiences, spiritual practice, shared dreams, and encounters with non-human intelligences. Through stories of vulnerability, humor, and music, they illuminate the challenges and joys of their extraordinary inner lives.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Life Since Their Last Visit: Stability and Growth

• Annika and Tristan report a year of spiritual growth and happiness, with stability in their “two souls, one body” arrangement.
• Both participated in an interview at the Peri Center in Italy, facilitated by Alex Gomez Marin.
  • Tristan: “He’s been absolutely wonderful in helping us… We’re hoping he’s going to put us under some scientific equipment soon so we can see how this works biologically.” (02:52)
• No dramatic external changes, but ongoing adaptation to living in a world largely unable to comprehend their experience.

2. Social Navigation and Staying Safe

• Annika is usually the public “face” due to how society perceives the body.
• Tristan occasionally appears solo, successfully “passing” to acquaintances, but outings still require caution.
• Increased social confidence, particularly when among trusted friends and in supportive online communities (like the Experiencer Network).
• Heightened caution given social tensions and anti-trans sentiments:
  • Annika: “We really haven’t been public more than the Perry center and your show, just because we’re, like, really afraid of being too far out there and, you know, getting too much attention.” (05:53)

3. Gender, Identity, and Societal Constructs

• Annika identifies as female, but legal documents were changed to nonbinary to respect Tristan.
• Both note how society equates the body with personhood and struggles with concepts like multiple souls sharing one body.
  • Annika: “The body is trans. We had to transition the body, but the souls… have always been the same.” (09:58)

On Gender Dysphoria and Trans Experiences

• Annika shares experiencing gender dysphoria upon “receiving” the body and transitioned for comfort.
• Tristan and Annika emphasize the diversity and complexity of trans and soul experiences:
  • Annika: “I think there’s way more complex soul situations than our society even knows about.” (10:40)

4. Psychological & Medical Reflections

• Diagnosed with Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID), but neither Annika nor Tristan feel the diagnosis captures their reality.
• Dr. Mishlove remarks on the lack of literature and urges more research/documentation on similar cases in hopes of expanding understanding beyond pathology.

5. “Playing the Brain Like an Instrument”

• The duo uses meditation to facilitate “switching” between who is in control of the body.
• Early challenges included confusion, “glitches,” tics, and even choking episodes, which have lessened as they learned to “play” the brain together:
  • Annika: “Now we just make music together and dance all day.” (15:27)
• A playful parallel is made between their duet approach on a guitar-lele and their navigation of dual consciousness.

6. Extraordinary Experiences: The Ski Trip

• Detailed recounting of a transformative ski trip that highlighted the practical reality of “two souls, one body”:
  • Annika skied as a novice, later summoned Tristan to the body so he could ski with childhood muscle memory.
  • Annika experienced a sudden, vivid out-of-body episode with 360-degree perception while Tristan piloted the body at high speed.
  • The incident emphasized their distinct skills, memories, and perspectives and initiated further experiments into out-of-body experiences. (See timestamped segment [20:38]–[27:33])

Out-of-Body Experiences (OBEs)

• Differentiation between astral travel (going to an “afterlife realm”) and OBEs (remaining in the physical plane but outside the body).
• Both can induce OBEs through meditation; they have experimented with both being out of the body simultaneously, noticing unique phenomena like shared dream spaces and areas of consciousness.

7. Shared Dreaming and Sleep Dynamics

• Their shared consciousness extends into dreaming, often having shared or overlapping dreams with each other.
• They describe times when one falls asleep before the other, resulting in unusual sensations and mild hypnagogic hallucinations.
  • Annika: “It’s a really weird sensation… suddenly he just conks out and… his thoughts disappear.” (39:47)

8. Altered States, Entheogens, and Consciousness

• Use of cannabis had unpredictable effects: sometimes only one would be “high,” while the other remained unaffected—suggesting deeper, consciousness-dependent effects.
  • Tristan: “I had done a little bit more neuroscience research, and…this shouldn’t be happening. What’s going on?” (43:22)
• Through entheogens and meditation, they discovered the ability to move into higher “densities/frequencies” of consciousness; doing so provides clarity, smooths their soul-switching, and brings profound spiritual insights, but can also expose one to challenging lower states.

9. Chakras, Soul Energetics, and Spiritual Practice

• Each soul has its own set of chakras, confirmed by an intuitive in the Experiencer community.
• Through meditation, Annika or Tristan can assist the other by “unblocking” energetic centers, facilitating healing and personal growth.
  • Tristan: “There’s no words to really describe that sensation of this explosive energy…” (51:03)
• Tristan acknowledges his journey from skeptic to believer, having been forced to “contend with” and ultimately embrace profound spiritual realities.

10. Contact with Non-Human Intelligence

• Tristan recounts lifelong experiences with non-human (E.T.) entities, experienced as overwhelming, conscious presences—sometimes inducing sleep paralysis and terror, but never harm.
• As a child, Tristan drew an alien script during a dream/vision that later matched purportedly real UFO glyphs (see [59:02]).
• Annika also shares more recent direct encounters with these presences upon Tristan’s return to the body.
  • Annika: “It’s like having a whale suddenly show up in your house… it just overwhelms everything in the area.” (61:25)
• Both interpret their life arrangement as a pre-birth agreement, possibly assisted by these beings.

11. Music as Healing, Communication, and Expression

• Throughout, Annika and Tristan perform original songs that illustrate their unique connection and mutual love.
• They recount the creative process and how songs sometimes appeared in shared dreams or served as emotional bridges during challenging periods.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Social Concealment:
  • Tristan: “It still very much feels like we have to hide from the majority of society.” (05:44)
• On Gender & Soul:
  • Annika: “The body is trans… but the souls… have always been the same.” (09:58)
• On Psychiatric Labels:
  • Tristan: “Yeah, it’s not a disorder if it doesn’t cause a disorder in your life.” (12:43)
• On Integration:
  • Annika: “Now we just make music together and dance all day.” (15:36)
• On Out-of-Body Revelation:
  • Annika: “All of a sudden, that was gone and I was seeing… almost 360… I was seeing the mountain, skiers around…” (25:05)
• On Substance Use & Frequencies:
  • Tristan: “It depended on your frequency of consciousness… we could switch the body like it was nothing.” (43:38)
• On Soul Agreements:
  • Tristan: “We chose to do this before we incarnated… I feel like they [the ETs] have definitely… it’s all tied together.” (60:22)
• On Mission:
  • Annika: “You are…here to help others. You’re here to bridge the gap.” (63:58)

Notable Timestamps

• [02:41] – Recap of the past year and scientific research prospects
• [05:44] – Social fears and navigating public life
• [10:40] – Complexity of soul and gender experiences
• [15:36] – Learning “to play the brain” as an instrument
• [20:38-27:33] – Ski trip and dramatic out-of-body experiences
• [32:07] – Differentiating astral travel from OBEs
• [41:46] – Dreams, sleep, and “falling asleep first”
• [43:38] – Effects of cannabis and meditative insight
• [49:23] – Independent soul chakras and energy work
• [53:54] – Early non-human entity experiences
• [59:02] – Alien script and childhood experiences
• [63:58] – The “mission” of helping others awaken spiritually
• [65:07] and beyond – Musical performances and deepening connection

Songs Performed (Live)

• “Here With You”
• “Sorry for Eating Meat” (humorous song about dietary differences)
• “My Love Will Always Find You” (about connection beyond physical separation)

“Music brings us closer together, and it’s a dance. That’s really what it is.”
— Tristan (76:23)

Closing Reflections

Annika and Tristan’s ongoing journey is a poignant exploration of neurodiversity, consciousness, and soul. They reflect on the challenges of societal misunderstanding, the beauty of internal harmony, and the possibilities that lie in exploring consciousness beyond the ordinary. With a blend of scientific curiosity, spiritual openness, and artistic expression, they invite listeners to consider new paradigms of identity, embodiment, and connection.

For fellow experiencers:
Dr. Mishlove encourages viewers/listeners with similar or related experiences to come forward so the broader spectrum of human consciousness and identity can be better understood and compassionately studied.

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