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Emmy Vadnais
Unique to having our own seemingly separate lives is that opportunity for us to perhaps grow and expand, maybe learn and maybe even learn how to love or support other people. And that's a very personal journey. At the same time, we do need each other. So that also is a paradox is that we seem to have ourselves inside and that the other is outside of us.
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Jeffrey Mishlove
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New Thinking Allowed Announcer
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Emmy Vadnais
Book 4 in the New Thinking Allowed Dialogue series is Charles T. 70 Years of Exploring Consciousness and Parapsychology, now available on Amazon.
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Jeffrey Mishlove
Thinking Allowed Conversations on the Leading Edge of Knowledge and Discovery with psychologist Jeffrey Mishlove. Hello and welcome. I'm Jeffrey Mishlove.
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Emmy Vadnais
Hello and welcome. I'm Emmy Vadnais, and we're here today.
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Jeffrey Mishlove
To talk about what is probably my favorite subject, the topic of oneness.
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Emmy Vadnais
Why is that your favorite topic?
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Jeffrey Mishlove
Jeff well, I can say that ever since I started doing these interviews over half a century ago, I always had the feeling that when the conversation came around to the topic that we're all connected, that we are one without everything, which is the fundamental truth of virtually every single mystical tradition on this planet, we reach a kind of space inside of us that feels whole, that feels full, that feels true. I've always felt if I can keep communicating that message, I'm doing my job.
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Emmy Vadnais
You and I recently had a conversation in one of our regular meetings where we prepare a lot behind the scenes for New Thinking Allowed. And you made a comment sort of in passing. It was sort of nonchalant where you said that you often feel one with everything. And I'm wondering if you can share with us what that experience is like for you.
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Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, it's paradoxical because we go through life normally feeling exactly the opposite, that I'm separate. I'm not the chair, I'm not the computer, I'm not this cup of tea. I'm not you, I'm not the tree, I'm not the house, I'm not any other person, I'm only me. And everything else outside of my skin is other than me. Furthermore, we get into it's very normal and natural. I think we're programmed that There are aspects of the outside world that we learn to hate. I mean, really hate. Like evil, for example, and the things that people do to each other. And the pain and suffering that humans cause. Or even things that are ugly, like certain animals, trigger this hatred or fear. It could be a mouse, it could be a spider or a snake. But we have an instinctive aversion to some things that are outside of ourselves. So to say that, you know, that thing that you really hate that's actually part of you, it's like an intolerable thought for people.
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Emmy Vadnais
What is that experience like for you when you do feel one with everything?
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Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, as I say, it's paradoxical. But you transcend that part of yourself, the ego, which is got mixed emotions towards the world. Because the way I view it, actually when we feel hatred towards another person, we're actually experiencing that hatred towards ourselves. That's my rule of thumb, that anytime anybody ever, for any reason whatsoever, tries to belittle another human being, they're actually projecting their own self hatred. Because there is never ever any reason to belittle another human being. That's my philosophy. Ironically enough, I learned it after working at San Quentin Prison and getting to know, on a very intimate level, doing group therapy sessions with murderers and rapists. That we have a kinship with everyone, no matter what. That one transcends all of the disgust, all of the fear, all of the hatred when one enters into this space of oneness.
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Emmy Vadnais
And how does one enter into this space of oneness?
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Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, I probably do it the easy way mostly, which is through conversation with people. You just sort of gently work your way in the course of a conversation to acknowledging what's there already all the time. It's like the elephant in the room.
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Emmy Vadnais
It seems that we perhaps, depending on a person's belief system, come here to experience our own personal life. At the same time, we interact with. We need the earth to sustain us and the sun and the moon. And we need all of this for our lives. And we also need relationships. At the same time, it seems we all have our own life path, our own dharma that is unique to each of us. Like Jeff, you have given so much information about parapsychology, which I think fundamentally really speaks to oneness as well, which I hope we can discuss. And have shared so many amazing thought leaders. And that seems to be a big part of your life path. And of course, there's many aspects to you as well where my path, even though we've merged in this river together doing this, we have slightly different ways of coming to it. And unique to having our own seemingly separate lives. Is that opportunity for us to perhaps grow and expand, maybe learn and maybe even learn how to love or support other people. And that's a very personal journey. At the same time, we do need each other. So that also is a paradox, is that we seem to have ourselves inside and that the other is outside of us. But at the same time, why do we love? Why do we care for people? There's something that connects us or bonds us with others that can make us feel that unification as well.
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Jeffrey Mishlove
It seems to me that love, which is a big word. It's a word we use all the time on our show and rarely do we define it because it's almost indefinable and it's certainly overused. But at the same time, it's crucial. If there's a topic that's as dear to my heart as oneness, it would be love. Because in a way, they're related. When you're able to love yourself, ultimately, then you can love anything else. Because the boundary that we all experience, almost every moment of our lives between self and other, between inside and outside, is best I can tell, is an artificial boundary that the whole outside world is really who we are.
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Emmy Vadnais
And how did you come to that realization?
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Jeffrey Mishlove
Probably through my conversations with people in the field of theoretical physics, where they look at the implications of quantum physics, and particularly Bell's theorem and the idea of interconnectedness physics. That you could say every particle in the universe was in touch with every other particle. At the moment of the Big Bang. Everything was condensed down to an infinitely small point in space, the whole universe. We were all connected at that level, and then it exploded. But the quality of quantum interconnectedness has remained with us. So that's one way to perceive it. Another way to perceive it would be to take the point of view of the idealists like Bernardo Kastrup or Tom Campbell and simply say, well, it's all.
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Emmy Vadnais
Consciousness, according to many in parapsychology. And now it sounds like maybe people in physics as well are catching up to. At least in my viewpoint, the consciousness seems to be fundamental and that everything seems to arise from it. And since we brought up love, and you're right, it's poets and songwriters and spiritual leaders have been talking about love. And in my opinion, I think it's not talked about enough. In fact, I'm really glad we're talking about it. And there's different types of love. And some people love love, some people. It's a trigger for them because maybe they've been hurt or wounded in their life. And. And ultimately, one of the ways I relate to love is that it does feel like a sense of unification where we can feel that oneness. Of course, there can be love in action. And when we are feeling separate, we are probably not in that state of love. And I'm wondering, Jeff, with your background in parapsychology and consciousness studies, how that might relate to how love might relate to those aspects of that oneness with consciousness.
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Jeffrey Mishlove
We're getting into a tricky area when we start talking about parapsychology, because at base it's an experimental science like psychology. And if we approach it that way, the problem is if you're going to do an experiment, you have to start with operational definitions for the terms you're working with. And terms like one love defy operational definitions for the most part. So if a scientist were to try and study these things, they would have to reduce it to something that they can operationalize that automatically makes it somehow smaller and less than what it actually is. So when we talk about these big metaphysical topics like oneness or a huge topic like love, which fundamentally we're speaking of love not as a biological thing, but as a metaphysical thing, something that transcends our biology, we have to approach it, I suppose, at best, as intuitively because science simply cannot wrap its arms around something as big as oneness or as big as love. The closest it seems that we get is this notion of interconnectedness.
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Emmy Vadnais
Well, of course I love that you brought up intuition. And I would suggest, or maybe even argue that love in its pure form, pure awareness, unconditional kind regard, acceptance is synonymous with intuition. And when you say transcend, and it seems that research studies have shown this, that when we are able to connect with this larger sense of beyond ourselves or the deeper universe that's inside of ourselves, that we are connecting with that, with knowledge, with maybe even, some might say, bliss. Of course, in parapsychology there's been experiences that aren't always blissful. However, it does seem that when people are able to share information beyond what we perceive as normal space and time, that there is a deeper unification happening that is beyond maybe our everyday thoughts and where we and our own personal identity. And I'm thinking about. I had the blessing of having a conversation with Jill Bolte Taylor, and she recently wrote a book about whole brain living. And she talks about how when we're in the left side of the brain, that we're showing up, here we are in our little suit jackets Having our conversation and being professional. And that we need that in order to go through our days, in order to function and organize our lives and so forth. And that when we switch over into the right side of the brain, that we can connect with creativity and that sense of wholeness and oneness. And there's. There's actual neuroscience data about that. Not that it's all about neuroscience, but that's another perhaps bio indicator of when we might be in some of these states. And of course, there's also the heart and heart rate variability that shows when we're more in a relaxed, coherent state, which is also. Which seems to be correlated or can be correlated with certain psychic intuitive functions as well. And there's real science about how to get into these states. And sometimes as we know, it happens spontaneously and other times it's something we can create in our lives by giving certain conditions in our environment, our internal and external environments in order for that to occur.
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Jeffrey Mishlove
Yeah, there are hundreds of ways to enter into states of consciousness that we think of as higher states. Cosmic consciousness. SAMADHI those states typically are imbued with this sense of love, for sure. I think it's important to point out that it doesn't mean that you lose your sense of hatred and disgust for the things that you hate. They're still there and there's a reason for them. We're born into this world, amongst other things, to make it a better place. So we're going to form values judgments and we're going to do what we think will improve the world. So we return to that world of duality eventually. It never entirely leaves us. But the more we have opportunities to taste the world of oneness and this sense of love and oneness for absolutely everything. It's an experience that colors our life in subtle ways. Even when we're caught up in duality, we might be just a little bit kinder to people.
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Emmy Vadnais
I was contemplating about the moments in my life when I have felt this oneness with everything. And simply for me, anyway, looking in somebody's eyes, I can get a sense of connection. There's a saying that the eyes are the window to the soul. And there's some sort of recognition maybe, as some people have suggested, it's sort of like the universe looking back at itself. And of course, being in nature. And just the awe and the beauty of just this beautiful world that we live in that I hope we can continue to protect. And also, it seems that when we do acts of kindness for others, that it seems that that love maybe flows into or from us and through us. And so we also feel good. People talk about doing random acts of kindness, like opening somebody's door, maybe buying a cup of coffee for the person behind you in line or what have you, and that it not only helps you feel good or the person feel good, but you feel good. And it seems to generate that sense of oneness as well. I'm just curious if you have other examples, Jeff, of when you have felt being one with everything, which it seems like my sense of you is. You feel that quite frequently.
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Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, I think synchronicities help a lot when. When it seems as if the whole universe is cooperating with you to bring something into your life that you need right at the moment when you need it. You get a feeling that the universe is alive and the universe is playing with us. That it's sort of a game, you could say. I often think of it as a game of hide and go seek, that we're playing with ourselves, ultimately.
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Emmy Vadnais
And of course, when my intuition speaks to me, whether that happens, as you say, spontaneously or through synchronicities or just kind of a deep knowing, or if I go into meditation, quiet the mind, or if I'm working with somebody who is seeking my support in their lives, that I really do notice this expansion into this greater awareness. And it is, I think, quite beautiful. At the same time as we're speaking, I imagine there's people listening, thinking, well, this sounds so, like, unrealistic to get into this state of being, or, my life has been terrible. And I'm wondering, Jeff, if you have any thoughts for people who might be feeling really down and very separate from what this oneness might. Might actually feel like for them, which.
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Jeffrey Mishlove
Is most people, most of the time, actually. Maybe you're right that I experience oneness more than the average person, but I'm sure that most of the time I'm not experiencing it. On the other hand, suffering is different. I rarely experience suffering. I have to cop to that. I do occasionally because my age and you get physical aches and pains and surgeries and whatnot, arthritis. There's all sorts of discomforts that accompany getting older. But many people are suffering something deeper than that. They're suffering a kind of existential anxiety. We hear from viewers all the time, matter of fact, who say, life is terrible, people are horrible. I definitely don't want to be reincarnated, and I wish I could just take my own life right now and end it. I know there are thousands, maybe millions of people who feel that way, and it's true that they are probably experiencing enormous hardships in their lives. I don't want to minimize or discount that. But at the same, I do know that people, even under the most miserable of circumstances, are able to enter into a state of oneness, a state where they transcend their physical conditions completely. It does happen, and it is a healing state. That's really where a lot of healing comes from, is this sense of connection with the source of everything, with the ground of being, with the divine reality, you might say. And I have to say I am not speaking here as a scientist or a parapsychologist. I am speaking from my intuition. Because when we address these big issues, it has to come that way. It's not going to come out of experimental or scientific data.
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Emmy Vadnais
A lot of the conversations we have are very inspiring and point people in a direction of how, as you say, they can become the best versions of themselves. And in that process, and while becoming the best version of themselves, they can, as you say, transcend some of these thoughts that keep them feeling limited and move into a very. A much more positive direction.
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Jeffrey Mishlove
I want to emphasize the importance of healing as well, because it does seem to me that in that state of oneness there is a. How can I put it? A sense that the universe, the universe as a whole, is constantly emitting a vibration of healing. And it's available to everybody, sentient being at every level, but only if we're conscious of it. Typically, if we ignore it, if we focus our mind on the things that we hate, the things that get us full of disgust, if we focus our mind on what in Star wars they call the dark side of the force, then. Then that's what comes back to us. And it can lead to a downward spiral. But I know that people are capable of turning their lives around even in the midst of unspeakable misery. There are instances where that happens. I would say to anybody who is in our audience who might be feeling that way, of course, number 1A, you are 100% entitled to your feelings. And I don't want to in any way minimize or denigrate the way you feel. But the possibility of change is always there.
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Emmy Vadnais
Well, I love what you say about the universe having this regenerative quality of healing. And it makes me think of one of my conversations I had with Bob Thurman, Robert Thurman, who is a Buddhist scholar, Tibetan Buddhist scholar, and he talks about how when we go to sleep at night, we sleep in something. And I just love how he says that. And so when we wake up, if we had a good night's sleep, and if we maybe had a nice meal the night before and had a relatively pleasant evening the night before, we can wake up feeling quite refreshed. And so I like that aspect of the regenerative quality. And then of course, it makes me think about there is apparently this lifetime and other lifetimes, and that it seems, at least with many of the guests on New Thinking Allowed recently, I just talked with Chris Bache about collective karma and reincarnation and his experiences with psychedelics. That it seems that our souls want to keep evolving in these positive directions, hopefully. But that's what many people who've had these mystical experiences, near death experiencers and the like, frequently, not always, but frequently share with us.
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Jeffrey Mishlove
I remember the day when my wife, who was deeply interested in things like body therapy, once said to me, you know, you are your body. And I thought about it and I thought, well, it seems pretty obvious if I am my body, how could I deny that I can wiggle my fingers at will, but I can't wiggle anything outside of my body the same way? So I guess I must be my body. But this experience of oneness suggests something completely different. It's like I'm so much larger than my body that my body is like the tiniest part of me. And it creates a sense of. That not only is my body the tiniest part of me, but that this other life that I live is so vast and so enormous that I can't see the outer boundaries of it. I have no idea how vast human consciousness is. The only thing I can imagine is that it must be multiple times, maybe a billion or trillion times bigger than I think it is.
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Emmy Vadnais
Of course, when you mention that you have your fingers and that you can't wiggle something outside of you, I also think about psychokinesis and how, as Dean Radin would say, we can have small effects and large effects. And according to people like Chris Bache and others who suggest that really all of humanity or creation is one single body, if you will, or however you would phrase that, that we are all impacting each other, are seemingly separate parts of each other all the time, probably in ways we don't realize it, people.
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Jeffrey Mishlove
On the other side of the planet, people we've never met, may be influenced by the thoughts that we have, not even the things that we say or do. So the interconnectedness, I think, is very, very intimate. The field of parapsychology, through case studies and experiments, has demonstrated over and over again, method more than a thousand Times the existence of phenomena that defy any kind of conventional scientific explanation. Which is why the larger scientific world ignores it, because they can't explain it.
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Emmy Vadnais
That's true.
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Jeffrey Mishlove
It seems to me that ultimately the significance of oneness is that that's how it happens. That's how remote viewers are able to obtain information from distant locations or from events that haven't even occurred at all. It's because not only are we one with everything, we're one with things that don't exist yet, things that are in the future or things that have long ago stopped existing, things in the past. We are interconnected with all of this.
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Emmy Vadnais
What do you say to someone who may be listening, thinking, well, how am I interconnected with so and so or certain political leaders or organizations or countries or other. Other people, groups of people when. When I don't like them or I don't like what they're doing or how they're functioning? Because if I was really one with everything and interconnected, couldn't I somehow influence what's happening in other directions that are more satisfying?
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Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, you probably can have an influence on the one hand. On the other hand, this is a very hard truth for people to swallow. But it is my opinion. It's an intuitive opinion. But when you hate another person, particularly in politics and in religion, hatred tends to. About people who have a different sexual orientation, a different financial status, or a different religion, or different politics than us. And we tend to generate antagonisms and dislikes and disgust and hatred for people of this sort. But the truth, I think, is that the things that we feel disgust and hatred towards outside of ourselves is because we hate those parts of ourselves inside. Which is good. I mean, in a way, I'm not saying we should get rid of hatred and disgust at all. I'm saying we need to see it for what it is. That it's a desire to improve ourselves ultimately. But it gets projected and outwardly, which is a mistake.
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Emmy Vadnais
Yeah, I've had the unique, rare fortune part of my dharma, if you will, to guide many people into their own consciousness through quieting the mind, meditation and various ways of accessing what might be limiting them in their lives. And also, conversely, how they can go forward in positive directions. Because when we get into these inner focus, relaxed states, as you know, Jeff, we can access a lot more information. This oneness and every single person, myself included, I've gotten a lot better with this over the years. Is there is a always. Whether it's a few percents, I would say the minimum I'VE seen is maybe like 10% or all the way up to close to 100%, where they don't like themselves, they even. They dislike or hate. But there's a lack of self like or self love and acceptance that if people take the time. And this is why I think some people have an aversion. Although there's so much literature out there on the benefits of meditation, not only for what we're talking about with intuition and parapsychology, there's a lot of health benefits, but many people have an aversion even to the word meditation because of what's known as vritti in yoga, the sometimes known as the monkey mind, the mind chatter, where those parts of us that we don't deem as acceptable rise to the surface. And a lot of people, and I've been in this camp myself, I've gotten better run from themselves. And so I really hope that people listening, if you feel called to or if this works in your life, is to explore those parts of yourself and. And to bring love, compassion, and acceptance to those parts of yourself so that you can also engage more in the sense of oneness. Because that's ultimately, I would say, where maybe it begins or it's inside of you.
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Jeffrey Mishlove
That's such a good point, Emmy. You know, many, many years ago, many decades ago, I was involved as a trainer for a seminar company called Omega Seminars. We worked with affirmations. And the number one affirmation that we worked with is I love myself. We called them the three magic words. As you get into it, what we would then say is, I love myself unconditionally. What does unconditionally mean? It means I love myself no matter what I think, I say or I do, and no matter what anyone else thinks or says or does with regard to me, unconditional self love. I think it's a good doorway to the world of oneness.
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Emmy Vadnais
Since we're on the topic of love, I just want to be an advocate here that I think that we can, in certain ways, maybe not in all ways, measure love. Now, of course, there's romantic love, there's friendship love, there's love of a parent and a child, spiritual love. But ultimately it comes down to care. I would also say connection or a sense of unification. And what you're talking about, Jeff, I think also is having compassion for oneself, recognizing that we're all beautiful artworks in progress and that we're learning along the way and to have gentleness with ourselves and bring that acceptance and compassion to ourselves. Now, when you Said that I think sometimes people might feel like, well, is that going to turn me into a narcissist if I love myself? And I'm wondering if you can shed some light on that.
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Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, it's a question of language, I suppose, because that's what some people say. He's too full of himself, himself too much. And we all know people like that. So self love isn't like that at all. Actually, real self love narcissism is pretty much the opposite of self love. It's self hatred being covered over by a kind of braggadocio that I have to tell everybody how important I am and how wonderful I am because inside I don't feel that way at all. But self love, in fact, love in general, I would define it very simply. It doesn't have to be love is a many splendored thing. It can be simply a warm positive feeling. Just like that I have a warm positive feeling towards every other person, every other thing, even creepy crawly things that I would normally feel. Ew.
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Emmy Vadnais
I like that. I do think that love does seem to be a sense of warmth. And of course there have been some, many probably research studies on focusing on the heart, for example, and looking at how when people are in these states of, we might say consciousness, but another way is being or awareness. I think of a term sat Chitananda truth, consciousness, bliss, which I think is another way of how these states. I mean again, it's like you say, it's language, but ultimately it's how a person is experiencing it. And I also think of a conversation I had with Carolyn Mace. An amazing natural, like we all have intuitive abilities, but she was born very naturally intuitive. And in one of my conversations with her, she talked about how powerful love is and how in my estimation anyway, it might be one of the most important and powerful. Again, this is just a word commodities or aspects of our universe. And she was suggesting that people recognize how powerful it is and that they will give it sometimes but also refrain and keep it to themselves. And this is where I think it can get convoluted or confusing is because we can have relationships with ourselves or others where we keep that from each other or have fear of that intimacy with others maybe based on, or probably based on previous experiences of being harmed or hurt when we had given our love and it wasn't returned or we were actually maybe harmed or neglected or punished in some way.
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Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, we all have our personal life story. We all have a psyche with many, many, many layers, like an onion of infinitely many layers. Probably so, as you learned in your interviews with Chris Bache, who was also recently here with me in Albuquerque as well, in his psychedelic explorations, he had to go through all those layers of his personal unconscious. Then he got in touch with what he called the consciousness of humanity, the consciousness of our species. He came to realize that the consciousness of the species holds within it every thought that any member of the human species has ever had, including our ambitions, our strivings, our yearnings, our passions, and also all of the pain and suffering that we've experienced. Then beyond that, even cosmological, out into the universe and a sense of distant stars and galaxies, and even beyond that, to what he called diamond luminosity. So there was this sense of so many layers to the psyche, and that through his psychedelic explorations, he was able to go very, very far through those layers. And then he, for his own reasons, stopped. We don't know how much further he might have been able to go, or another human being might have been able to go, but I suspect a very long way. But it gives us a sense of how vast each of us is within ourselves, what a huge world we have. I think people express it this way that when you look into outer space, let's say through a very powerful telescope, looking at the most distant galaxy, in a way what you're seeing is sort of the inside of your own skull.
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Emmy Vadnais
I love that metaphor. When you're speaking about Chris Bash and his experiences, I was thinking about how that's what happened to Buddha, apparently, is that he became one with everything and had this sense. Another term for that is being enlightened to that ability, maybe birthright. That's there for all of us. And as you, as we've talked about, ascertained already, that there's that paradox, that we do also have our own lives and personal experiences to lead, and that ultimately, Jeff, how can one experience oneness while also living their own seemingly individual life?
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Jeffrey Mishlove
It's very rare for a person to be able to sustain that experience of oneness for very long. Sometimes it lasts just a split second, and then we return. And so what we have is the memory of it. And it's not all that uncommon. There was a wonderful book written around the turn of the 19th century called cosmic Consciousness by a medical doctor who was driving in a taxi, as I recall, and it just sort of came upon him spontaneously. I think that many people have what we call mystical experiences. They may last a minute or even a second or maybe an hour after that. You've got to, sooner or later return to the demands of life. We have to clothe ourselves and feed ourselves and take care of the people around us so we can't hold on to that feeling of oneness all the time. Or we would become what? In the writings of a Persian mystic named Meyer Baba, he talks about what he called the mad musts. These are people, they're like in an insane asylum. They're experiencing this oneness so thoroughly. They are what he would say, God, intoxicated. They are just completely intoxicated with the oneness and they cannot function in a normal way. So Meyer Baba, this great mystic, would sit and he would meditate with them and help them to achieve more of a sense of balance in their lives. Because experiencing total oneness all the time would make us pretty much incapable of functioning as a normal human being.
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Emmy Vadnais
Well, it's definitely something we can perhaps contemplate throughout our daily activities about how the other is us and we are the other. And really there's not separation, but we do have those experiences, as you say, to be able to make a sandwich or take a shower or what have you. And I really love the aspect of feeling that warmth and extending that not only to ourselves, but to also others. Because imagine what a world we would live in if everyone really was more kind to themselves and others.
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Jeffrey Mishlove
In fact, it's necessary for our survival.
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Emmy Vadnais
Yeah.
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Jeffrey Mishlove
Ultimately, if we as a human species want to survive, at least the memory of the fact that we are all one is so important to understand that whenever you disparage or belittle or hurt another person, you're actually doing it to yourself.
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Emmy Vadnais
Yeah. Or a creature or a being or a. I mean, that, you know, that brings up eating plants and animals. Of course, it brings up those topics as well. And I also think of Thomas Verney, a psychiatrist who wrote a best selling book, the Secret Life of the Unborn Child. But we had a conversation about the quantum entangled mind and how he read, I believe it was over 5,000 books and papers about consciousness. And he researched his book that he wrote for about seven years, researching it and writing it, and he came to the conclusion that consciousness is everywhere, in each of our cells subatomically. And of course, when you get to a subatomic level, what's really there? Seemingly nothing, but perhaps everything. And that consciousness, most people think it's from the brain, but he suggests that it's in every part of our, what we perceive as a physical body and also outside of us as well.
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Jeffrey Mishlove
The way I like to think of it is that it's not as if the mind is within the brain. It's more like the brain is within the mind.
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Emmy Vadnais
Is it Rumi who said you're not the drop in the ocean, but the ocean in the drop? I'm not sure. We might have fact checked that. I'm not sure if that was Rumi who said that.
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Jeffrey Mishlove
This has been a wonderful conversation on two of our favorite subjects, love and oneness. We probably can't talk about them enough.
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Emmy Vadnais
It is very true. We could start waxing poetic about love and the bliss that can happen with that and the bliss of experiencing oneness and at the same time, as you say, bringing that memory, but that felt sense and that experience and embodying it in our daily lives, perhaps for ourselves and each other. And I've noticed in my life that as I've been kinder to myself and others, that as you say, synchronicities seem to happen, more things seem to line up and people are kinder back to me. And it's a very beautiful experience. So I'm curious what other people have to share about what their experiences have been like, if they've ever experienced that oneness and how that came to be.
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Jeffrey Mishlove
We encourage comments from our viewers. I mentioned, parenthetically, I read all the comments, so I'll be very interested to hear what people have to say about our conversation.
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Emmy Vadnais
And also I just want to add that the beautiful artwork that you created, Jeff, the Rainbow Yin Yang, I think is a beautiful contemplative piece about unity and oneness because there also is the duality, seemingly the duality of yin and Yang. But at the same time we need that in order for experiences perhaps to propagate forward. I know you've probably written a whole dissertation on the meaning of the Rainbow Yin Yang since it's your creation, but I just wanted to mention that as well in this beautiful topic and conversation.
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Jeffrey Mishlove
Someday I will try to pull together the six lectures I gave on the symbolism implicit in the Rainbow Yin Yang.
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Emmy Vadnais
We would love to hear it. I can't wait.
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Jeffrey Mishlove
Well, Emmy, thank you so much for being with me today and sharing this conversation with me and with the new thinking allowed audience.
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Emmy Vadnais
It is a great joy of mine. Jeff and I have loved our conversation, love working and playing with you, and I look forward to more in the future.
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Jeffrey Mishlove
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Emmy Vadnais
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