Remote Viewing the Drones with Daz Smith

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Thinking Allowed Audio Podcast

Episode: Remote Viewing the Drones with Daz Smith
Date: November 2, 2025
Host: Emmy Vadnais (Co-hosting with Jeffrey Mishlove)
Guest: Daz Smith
Theme: Investigation into anomalous drone phenomena over New Jersey and Europe via remote viewing.

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Overview

This episode dives deep into the mysterious "drone" sightings reported in New Jersey (2024–2025) and Europe, examining their nature, origin, and behavior through the lens of remote viewing. Daz Smith, a leading professional remote viewer, recounts his team's experiences and findings, explores the psychic protocols involved, and discusses the broader implications for human consciousness and potential non-human intelligences (NHIs).

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Stage: The Mystery Drones

• Emergence & Behavior: Unidentified “drones” have been seen over sensitive locations, displaying flight characteristics far beyond current human-made drones (size, duration, shape-shifting ability, transmedium travel).
• Anomalous Reports: Some drones appear and disappear at will, behave transmedium (air to water), and evade even advanced military jets and helicopters ([10:20], [11:56]).
• Impact: Shutdowns of airports in both New Jersey and Europe, highlighting the disruption and mystery ([10:20], [12:34]).

2. Remote Viewing: Process & Principles

• Controlled Approach: Remote viewing utilizes rigorous protocols: blind targeting, planned projects, data recording, and crucial feedback for accuracy ([06:16]).

• Success Rate: Daz reports 80%+ accuracy for present/known targets, 60–65% for future predictions ([07:36]).

  “Over, I mean I’ve been doing this operationally now for nearly 20 years...80 plus percent correct. 80% of the time...on future targets...60–65% accurate.”
  — Daz Smith ([07:36])

• Sense Integration: Remote viewing isn't limited to visuals—practitioners are trained to use all senses, including movement through timelines and even other dimensions ([16:08]).

3. The New Jersey Drone Incident: Remote Viewing Session

• Blind Tasking: Daz and six others received a random number as a target, with no prior knowledge of the specifics. The hidden task: a verified drone sighting over Morris County, New Jersey, near the Picatinny Arsenal ([14:14]).

• Manifestation: Daz’s notes described the craft as “manifesting out of nowhere,” emerging through a portal or dimensional rift, accompanied by an intense, short-lived energy event ([23:26]).

• Organic, Shape-Shifting Tech: The object felt non-human, “manifested organic technology” that can physically or perceptually change form in response to the expectations or consciousness of observers ([19:37], [23:26]).

  “It kind of scanned the area...change their form in shape to what that dominant consciousness expects...I don’t know if their form actually changed or if they influenced that person...to make them think that's what they were seeing.”
  — Daz Smith ([19:37])

• Conscious Interaction: The craft “reacted to intent,” possibly seeking information and conducting communication while camouflaging itself according to local human expectation ([23:26], [34:07]).

4. Summoning & Baited Encounters

• Human Mediation: A group of military/intelligence personnel seemed able to “summon” or “lure” the craft deliberately using psychic means—possibly a CE-5 type interaction ([19:37]).
• Notable Revelation: Daz later confirmed from open sources that a military whistleblower, Jake Barber, and his team were in the area, actively trying to attract such phenomena using “psionic assets” ([32:02]).

5. Consciousness, Intent, and Technology

• Symbiotic Relationship: The drones/UAPs seem inseparable from consciousness—both their own (often described as a kind of sentient AI or organic intelligence) and human consciousness ([34:07]).
• Camouflage Mechanism: The objects adapt their appearance based on the “dominant consciousness” within a roughly 25-mile radius—either morphing physically or psychically influencing perception ([23:26]).

6. Possible Origins: Dimensional, Not Extraterrestrial

• Dimensional Metropolis: In tracing the craft “home,” Daz described perceiving a vast, vertical, hive-like, multi-dimensional city, abolishing the idea of a traditional planetary origin ([23:26]).

  “It was a living world that was vertical...higgledy piggledy and organic...a vast, tall, vertical, layered city.”
  — Daz Smith ([23:26])

• They've Always Been Here: The data and corroborating reports suggest these intelligences may be “tending” humanity, regarding us as a garden ([43:03]).

7. Greater Implications

• Disclosure and Acclimatization: The slow public drip-feed of such encounters may be a gradual acclimation/disclosure process, possibly guided by both government/media and the NHIs ([38:44]).
• Spiritual, Physical, and Mental Effects: Encounters can have both profoundly positive and negative impacts on witnesses ([36:08]).
• Intent & Human Potential: Remote viewing and interaction with these phenomena require not just technical skill, but self-knowledge, right intention, and mental readiness ([48:13]).
• Advice to Aspirants: Read and research thoroughly, be cautious, and develop trust in one’s own abilities. Don't rush into advanced interactions without proper mental and emotional grounding ([45:17]).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “[The drones] seem to be flying at will through any airspace...shutting down airports...hover in place for several hours...not what you can do with a typical commercial drone.” — Daz Smith ([10:20])

• “The drone that they summoned into place was an exotic non human type craft...a manifested organic technology in the form of an object.” — Daz Smith ([19:37])

• “The actual, what we would call a craft or technology, is actually an alive, sentient, thought, thinking thing...it reacts to intent...can change shape...a technology that reacts to local consciousness.” — Daz Smith ([23:26])

• “I don’t know if their form actually changed or if they made the person...think that's what they were seeing. But...they kind of made it look like they were changing shape or they were physically changing shape in a form of camouflage.” — Daz Smith ([19:37])

• “Belief in intent and consciousness can do anything...it's all the same thing as creativity as well...the total belief in yourself that you can do it which allows you to do it.” — Daz Smith ([49:54])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Daz’s Initial Drone Sighting via Remote Viewing: [03:30]
• Remote Viewing Process Explanation: [06:16]
• Accuracy Rates and Malleability of Future: [07:36]
• Description of Anomalous Drones: [10:20], [11:56]
• Description of Remote Viewing the NJ Drone: [14:14], [18:51]
• Manifestation and Shape-Shifting Properties: [19:37], [23:26]
• Dimensional/Origin Insights: [23:26]
• Summoning Events and Human Role: [19:35], [32:02]
• Consciousness and Intent—Symbiosis: [34:07], [34:39]
• Implications & Human Readiness: [36:08], [38:44]
• Advice for Aspiring Remote Viewers: [45:17], [46:54], [48:06]
• Closing Reflections and Next Steps: [51:53]

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Conclusion

This podcast offers a stunning portrait of remote viewing as applied to modern unexplained aerial phenomena, revealing a scenario where advanced, likely non-human but deeply consciousness-linked technologies interact with humanity—sometimes summoned by intention, sometimes independent. Daz Smith urges listeners to both keep an open mind and approach these mysteries with preparation and care, emphasizing inner development as key to both understanding the external unknowns and responsibly exploring one’s psychic potential.

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For Further Exploration

• Read up on remote viewing history (suggested by Daz) before beginning practice.
• Follow ongoing public developments in UAP/UFO research.
• Explore ethical, psychological, and spiritual preparations for psychic exploration.

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Final Quote:
“Keep your mind open. Lots of, lots of things are changing in the world...If you're very interested, try this for yourself...That's the best way to understand if this is real or not, is to try it yourself.”
— Daz Smith ([53:38])

Transcript

[Daz Smith]

I would say that the majority of the drones that were happening over New Jersey at the time when we were tasked to look at this were definitely non human.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

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[Jeffrey Mishlove]

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[Daz Smith]

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[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Hello and welcome. I'm Emmy Vadnais, co host with Jeffrey Mishlove. Today we'll be discussing remote viewing the drones with my guest Daz Smith, who is an artist, graphic designer and a full time professional remote viewer. He is the editor and publisher of Eight Martinis, the State of the Art of Remote Viewing Magazine. Daz also works with a team of remote viewers in the Futures Forecasting Group and he has remote viewed several recent and historic UFO and UAP events. Daz is author of the books Surfing the psychic Internet, CRV controlled remote viewing, remote viewing dialogues, and remote viewing 9 11. Daz has been a guest several times on New Thinking Allowed. If you enjoy this program, please like subscribe, press the bell icon and share. Daz is joining us from Bath, England. Now I'll switch over to the Internet video. Welcome back to New Thinking Allowed. Daz. It is a true pleasure to be with you again.

[Daz Smith]

Me too, yes, always an honor to chat about these things with you.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

In our last conversation we talked about remote viewing, UFOs and UAP and I'll link to that interview in the upper right corner of the screen. Today we're going to go more deeply into a phenomenon that's been happening seems kind of around the world where people are seeing this drone activity. And these drones don't always behave like our typical understanding of physics and some suggest that they are a form of UFO and uap. To get us started, you actually accidentally saw these drones when you were forecasting a month ahead last. Was it November of 2024?

[Daz Smith]

Correct? Yes, it's part of the Future Forecasting Group. We as a group look ahead a month to try to give our subscribers an idea of what the top news is going to be. And in mid November of 2024, I was looking ahead and I started describing that over the US There was going to be a dogfight situation between conventional craft and something else.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

What else did you see?

[Daz Smith]

Yeah, I knew, I knew that there was a. I knew it was an aerial vent. The data was showing me it was an aerial vent and I drew these graphics of like these circling kind of objects in the sky and I felt like there was going to be like a close miss situation there. And it felt like there were two different arcs of movement and two different styles of vehicle. And in remote viewing we're taught to not identify things. So I'm using very low level data. So I'm using data like the, and I'm reading my data here. One of the objects is very fast, it's mechanical, it's sleek, it's gray, it's code. And then it's, I wrote then it's a man made vehicle. So I'm not actually saying what kind of vehicle it is because that's too much of a guess, but I knew that, yeah, I knew I was looking at two different types of vehicles. One felt very conventional and the other one felt like it was a bit more advanced in the conventional craft.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

And what was the dog fighting about?

[Daz Smith]

Yeah, I don't, I didn't really go hugely in depth in this. I only did two or three pages of information because, you know, I'm only looking at like basic news stories and I try to get 10 news stories a month. But it felt like it was, you know, bear in mind, this was in mid November. It felt like it was a military event. An aerial situation I wrote, which was happening skywards. Two opposing man mades. I said one feels definitely like a plane and the other one felt less so I didn't know what it was. I didn't really want to put a name to it because as I said in remote viewing where we're taught not to do that, I knew it was definitely over the USA and it was going to be like it had a scenario of evasion, conflict and lots of near misses. So I felt like the more advanced object was purposely flying close to the, the plane. Like vehicles. Yeah.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Before we go more deeply into your notes about remote viewing, the drone, specifically in New Jersey, can you share a little bit about the remote viewing process for those who might be new to it, and also accuracy rate and how important feedback is? And since we're talking about uap, we don't always get that feedback. But in our last conversation you described how there was some Feedback involved.

[Daz Smith]

Remote viewing has been around now since 1972, so we're talking 40 going on 50 years now. And it really is just like any other psychic process. But what we do as remote viewers, we are agreeing to do the psychic process within a set stage of rules, which we call protocols. On that there are four or five of them that we adhere to. And that's essentially to keep the data clean and for everyone involved to know that the only source of the information could have been through psychic means only. And the rules we use are, number one, it's never spontaneous, there's always a pre planned project. Number two, the remote viewer is always blind to the project, so they don't know what the target is up front. Number three, the data the remote viewer brings back is recorded in some medium, paper, audio or video, so that it can then be verified and checked. And the fourth one, really and most important one is there should always be some form of feedback to then look at the remote viewing data and assess it for accuracy to see if any psychic information took place whatsoever.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

You have a pretty high accuracy rate.

[Daz Smith]

Yeah, I mean it's not fully databased anymore. I did database it for two years but to be honest, database and gets a bit boring. So I try not to keep up on that. But you know, over, I mean I've been doing this operationally now for nearly 20 years and you know, I'm doing it for a business of people making, making decisions and investment decisions based on the kind of information I provide. So. But on average I'm 80 plus percent correct. 80% of the time. Other than, and this is a caveat here, on looking at future based targets, my data based accuracy on looking at things, you know, predicting things that are going to happen in future drops slightly down to 60 to 65% accurate on those ones.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Right, right. Because the future is maybe in certain situations or all that's debatable is malleable.

[Daz Smith]

Yes, it seems to be across the board. Anyone that's looking at future based stuff, the accuracy is way less than it is with their normal psychic practices or remote viewing practices.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Yeah. So what was that like for you when you heard about these drones and you recalled your future forecasting the month ahead?

[Daz Smith]

Yeah, I mean it's, it's always interesting when that happens. And luckily, you know, we give our information to our subscribers, so they saw up front as well. But luckily in the case of these months when I was looking at this, I actually put the information up before December started, you know, because I did the remote viewing in November. I put it up on TikTok as live videos as well. So I had it marked that, you know, I made the prediction and the data was out there before all the major drone activity happened. It's always interesting when you're a remote viewer and you, you know, you're doing your work and then you see the events happen. It's nice in this case because no one got hurt in this case. It's not so nice in cases when you're predicting things like wars and earthquakes and stuff like that. That's, that's a bit more somber. But in the case of this, it was like, oh, yeah, wow. I predicted some kind of aerial dogfight with conventional and unconventional craft over the US and look what's happening. There's these drones that are evading helicopters and military jets.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Yeah. Well, let's set the stage a little bit about these drones. Of course, there are drones that are human made, that people use recreationally. They're used for videography, probably surveillance, all sorts of different reasons. However, can you describe a little bit about the drones we're going to be discussing today and what's unique or mysterious about them?

[Daz Smith]

Yeah, the drones is there been reported in the press and even to this day, because, you know, they've come back a year later and they're over Denmark at the moment. They're being video recorded for one. You know, there are hundreds of videos, especially at the New Jersey drinks, but now are the ones that are in Europe as well. And they seem to be different sizes. So some of them start off as like sphere shaped lights, but some are recorded as being multiple lights in multiple colors and the size of small SUVs, you know, which is incredibly huge for a drone like vehicle. And they seem to be flying at will through any airspace that they want to, including militaries and, you know, airports. They shut down airports in the New Jersey area last year and they're shutting down airports in Europe right now. And they seem to be able to fly at will and also hover in place and stay, you know, in the vicinity for several hours on end, which is not what you can do with a typical commercial drone. I have one, for example, a small one, Dji Mavic, one that's only got a 20 minute flight time before you have to pull it down and then put a new battery in it. So, yeah, these are very mysterious. Yeah. Occurrences right now. And no one, no one today is really give an explanation of what they are.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Also some of them have been reported to behave anomalously where they seem to Sort of appear out of thin air and disappear before people's eyes.

[Daz Smith]

Yeah, they disappear before, you know, as you're watching them. And that's recorded on video as well. There are even reports that some of them are what we call trans medium as well. So they're actually going in and out of the water.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Wow.

[Daz Smith]

And into the sky as well. Which again, commercial, you know, you wouldn't fly your commercial drone into the water because you'd never see it again. Yeah, yeah, it's very interesting on what's going on. Yeah. And no one really knows what the full picture is, which is why, you know, I was tasked to look at it by the Hellfire Group.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Just to clarify, when you said that they shut down airports, are the drones doing that or are the operators of the airports because they're not able to function with them around?

[Daz Smith]

Yeah, it's definitely the airport operators themselves because the drones are, you know, they're actually flying around flight paths and in restricted airspaces. Again, I fly a commercial drone myself, you know, because I'm a bit of a photographer. And when you hook up your drone to the software here in the uk, the map GPS software that you see on screen actually tells you where the no fly zones are. And in some cases there's a GPS cord and up, so you can't actually fly into those areas. Which again is another reason why this definitely isn't commercial type drones because the software just wouldn't allow you to go into those areas and fly them.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Additionally, there's been reports where some world leaders will say, we don't know what they are. We do know what they are. Some will say that it's not military and some will suggest, well, maybe it's just from some other country that has some advanced form of technology that we're not necessarily aware of. However, the UAP experience that people have been having has been seeming to heat up and there's more information coming out. Yeah, you were tasked to remote view an area in New Jersey. If you can set up the scene of what you were tasked to do and let us in on what you found.

[Daz Smith]

As I said, the first remote viewing I did was for my work life, which is Future Forecasting group. But separately, four months later, actually three months later, early in February of 2025, as part of a different kind of remote viewing practice group where we look at mysteries type targets. I was set a blind target myself and six other remote viewers by a tasker called Dimmy. And we didn't know it at the time. You know, all I had Was a random number to focus upon. But the hidden tasking was for us to look at a specific drone sighting and occurrence that had a picture attached to it. So there was a picture and a video taken of the drone event. And that was over in New Jersey, Morris county, New Jersey, just by the Pitkin Arsenal. And we were asked to look at that one drone event and try to describe the object in the video, its origin, the purpose of his mission, and all kinds of stuff like that.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Right. So the task that you were given is predetermined by somebody else, in this case, demi, and you were only given a number. And then you, who is a practice professional for decades really now, also having been raised by a mother who was a spiritualist and clairvoyant medium, if I recall correctly, that you were raised to develop these natural abilities, actually, that we all have, which is a big part of why we have these conversations, is to inspire people with their abilities as well, that you're using not just innersight with clairvoyance or remote viewing, but really a term. Another term is like interoception, Using all of your senses to gather data and information, Just focusing on this number with somebody else who has an intent for you.

[Daz Smith]

That's correct, yeah. And remote viewing is slightly different than most, what I call classical psychic techniques in that most people, when you're training classically, you have a skill or ability in one. So you'll find that someone is either clairvoyant or clairaudient, or they're a medium or challenger. They don't. They're not usually broad. Whereas remote viewing is unique in that, you know, we see the target, smell the target, taste the target, touch the target, and then we can move around the target in, you know, by using movement control bands, move above, inside. And then we can even do things like if we're kind of getting the feeling the targets involving an event, we can even create timelines on our sheet of paper and say, okay, you know, this is the time now let's slide back three days, or slide forward a year and so on, and then relook at the target from. From different time zones as well as dimension zones. Yeah.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

And so the theory of receiving a number and having a tasker project manager give you this and have their intention is so that you are able to limit analytic overlay.

[Daz Smith]

Yes.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

And be able to have more clearer data.

[Daz Smith]

So, yeah, they set the target. And as I said, in the case of the drones, one, the target number was 7840 3771. So that's all I had. And you know, essentially to go work the target and myself and the other five or six remote viewers spent the next two months looking at it then and how that happens is I did a remote viewing session and it's usually for me 10 to 20 pages of A4 data sketches in words. You send that back to the project tasker. If you haven't got everything they want to know within those 10 pages, they will then strategically look at your data and without feeding you any new information, they'll say something like, on page six you drew this, or on page eight you, you mentioned this word. Go back and get more. They will always retask you to get more information, but not introducing anything new, making you look at your own data and getting more of your own data. And that may happen four or five times. That process of me doing my rv, sending it to them, them saying, okay, you know, I need more, go back and get more. And that's pretty much the process.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

So what did you find? What are these drones? Or in this particular case, what did you discover? I know you received a lot of fabulous information.

[Daz Smith]

Yeah, yeah. And you know, maybe we can share the screen and show some of this in a while, but in a summer. In summary on this, and bear in mind, I was only really looking, you know, the target was the one event, you know, with the one photograph and the one video. But in that case, I felt we in my data anyway, and the other viewers data corroborated this for the most. My data indicated that there was a team of professional military stroke intel people that were in the area and they had the ability to communicate or what was the right word? Draw. Draw or entice this drone into place.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Like summon.

[Daz Smith]

Summon would be a great word. Yes, that's exactly what they were doing. And the drone that they summoned into place was an exotic non human type craft. Really. And I think my data describes it best, I wrote it down that it felt like it was a manifested organic technology in the form of an object. Yeah. And they also was a transforming organic technology that was pliable. And so it's not how we say see technology as a, you know, like my microphone here or this cup or my water bottle here and stuff. It's not a solid technology. It's a technology that can. Yeah, it's organic and it can change. And what my data showed me was that dependent on the dominant intent of the people in the area that were watching the object, it kind of scanned the area. So the object would manifest through almost like a portal Or a break in time and space, like a port or dimension would open and it would slip through and that would be like a big energy event that would last, you know, a microsecond. So then the objects there and a bit like submarines when they, where they can ping underneath the water and then the waves move out and if it hits an object, it sends a signal back. They can do that, but I don't know how they do it. So they kind of ping the area with these waves and this tells them what consciousnesses are in the area. So what humans are in the area that are observing them. And they then dependent on what the most dominant consciousness in the area was, they then change these objects, change their form in shape to what that dominant consciousness expects to be seeing in the skies. So for some people, if they're expecting to be seeing some kind of high technological aircraft, that's what their form would change into. Or what I couldn't work out. And I have to be honest, I couldn't work out if they actually changed their form to that or if they influenced that person in some way to make them think that that's what they were seeing. I didn't really investigate that. I, it would have been nice for me to go back and try that a bit more. So I have to be clear on that. I don't know if their form actually changed or if they made the person because there's a two way kind of psychic connection going on. If they, I don't know if they made that person think that that's what they were seeing. But yeah, so they, they kind of made it look like they were changing shape or they were physically changing shape in a form of camouflage? Really?

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Wow. Do you know if there are reports of people who have been able to see it where somebody else couldn't see it or that two people are looking at the same object and see something slightly different?

[Daz Smith]

Absolutely. There are multiple resort reports of that. You know, there, yeah, there's, there's a wealth of those now from last year. And even you. What's occurring now again over, over Europe as well at the same time. So yeah, we have multiple incidents of people saying that these objects are shape shifting again, which is good for me because this data came after I did the remote viewing on this, you know, and people, I guess people might have thought at the time, oh, this is crazy. We don't, you know, we don't have shape shifting craft. But that's what's being recorded in witness testimony now and in video and pictures.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

I know you have pages and pages of notes from your session.

[Daz Smith]

Yep.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Why don't you share some more highlights that you think our viewers would love to see and listeners would love to hear?

[Daz Smith]

Okay, I'm just going to share the screen here with the share button. I'll start off with this one. I started off telling you that these craft kind of manifested. And here was me trying to. I was watching the process of one appear and I was trying here to just sketch it. So I'm on page three of my remote viewing data here. And it's quite a formal, kind of structured descent. Bear with me because my handwriting is not very good as well, so I'll have to read it to you. But I'm. I'm trying to detail what I'm seeing in my head here. And I saw a process of this craft manifesting out of like this hole. So here's this hoe starting to appear. You know, I'm thinking this is up in the sky here. And so, and I wrote here is nothing. And then there's a dense compression inwards. Then we move to part two here, and that's an explosive energy release. And it has like an opening feel. So it's starting to open with this energy release. We move to stage three here. It feels like an object then manifest out of this energy event. So there's the energy with the object half poking out. And then the fourth stage here I've got the object that's left alone. I wrote here, only the object remains and the energy is gone. Other than dissipating energy waves that can still be still be tracked in some way and picked up. So the object itself just manifested out of nowhere, really out of time and space. I then asked what the purpose of this was and got the information that this was an information gathering device and it could be used for communication. And then at this point, even though I'm blind to the target, we had this aol, which is an analytical overlay. So I had a guess come through once I saw that this was for data communication of, oh, this must be a drone, which I wrote. There's an aol, so I'm already nailing and naming the target. Very off. But I'm trained, so I'm, you know, I'm very adept at putting that to one side and still going back and trying to get the data on this. I then described it as a curved, shell like object, smooth, white, gray and aerodynamic. And then right off the bat moment I had aerodynamic, I also had another AOL here. I knew instantly that this was a Shape shifting device. And I wrote a note to myself here that this feels dynamic, like it changes form or body shape. And it's organic technology, which is energy itself. So it's very strange. It's not, it's not physical. The whole shape of its energy and I would say it's probably plasma, it's self propelled. I wrote here organic and alive. So the actual, what we would call is a craft or technology is actually an alive, sentient, you know, thought, thinking thing. It's data gathering. It's a remote object. So I didn't feel like there was life inside it. I felt it was being remotely controlled by life that were was distant. I wrote here it reacts to intent, which is situational. I wrote this feels like it's a transformer, it can change shape. It's a technology that reacts to local consciousness and interaction. It scans locally, then adapts to what it picks up as intent. And this is camouflage. I then asked the question what's it doing? And I got gathering data and intentions and then I had the feeling that it was lord here. So I asked who, you know, I was trying to find out if it's lured here, who lured it. And there's a group which is a small group of people up high and they're watching a group of six or so men, black, black clothes, militaristic, covert and operational. And this felt like a test, like the object or event was baited here to be observed. And then I tried to describe this. So there's the men up here up high, and here's the object in the sky here. And it was actually interacting with the men up high and other life down here. And the other life were just general people in the area that just happened upon it and were watching it as an, as a normal event. I go into detail here, here about the group, the dark group that we're doing is as I said, I felt like they were some kind of militaristic intel intelligence type people. I actually named them in the document as well. We did find out, or I found out about four or five months later that that group involving a UAP whistleblower was actually in New Jersey doing what I said they were doing by lowering these down at that time. Yeah, they call it CE5 type type data that they were doing. So here's a summary of some of my data here. This is an event or events. It involves non human esoteric technology and human interactions. It's a nighttime event or series of events. There are at least two groups of people involved. Group one is military intel types and they're organized and group two is the general public and they're spread below the event. There's an energy event in relation to a planned action which feels like it's bait. Then there's a manifested organic technology which is an object and it's a transforming form which is organic and pliable. And it's remote operated technology for data recon and communications. I then tried to find out here roughly how far the reach of this because you know, I said that it could scan an area and then tell the people or show the people a different look dependent on the dominant people that were looking at it. I looked at how far this would be and this is a scale thing we can do in remote viewing. And I did a scale here between 0 and 100 miles. And I felt like its ability was just able to scan just around about 25 miles around itself. And then it also shape shifts towards who is the dominant consciousness within that 25 mile area. And as I wrote here, this is like a former camouflage for itself. And because of all this data, I then said to myself, I went a bit off par with this. I said, okay, well bear in mind I wrote that this is remotely controlled. I then gave myself a movement command in the aroma viewing of the point of origin follow. So I was trying to follow it back to where it came from. And I did this very strange ideogram here that showed me that I was moving through folded layers here which were dimensions. So I felt they actually moved through dimensions, not through space. And then I ended up looking and I had a visual of this in my head. A huge metropolis which was a gigantic. And it was full of life. It was very busy. It was tall, high, and it felt like it was a living world that was vertical. So I had this image and then I tried to draw it, but my drawings not very good I'm afraid. So this, this would be a vast city in, in that just almost like floating in dimensions or space hundreds of miles high. And it felt a bit like a hive. Felt like I could see like all these objects and beings and stuff at the different levels. And it was very organic shape. Nothing like what we would design here on Earth where we try to do things in linear lines and straight and stuff. This was very higgledy piggledy and organic. And I just wrote here the scale. This is just too big to describe. It's a vast, tall, vertical, layered city. And that's where I, that's essentially where I ended that RV session then because it was, you Know when it gets a little bit weird like that and you're kind of seeing stuff in other dimensions, you kind of think yourself, what am I doing? Where am I going? This is just, this is just a bit too crazy. I might be wandering into imagination.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Didn't you at one point have an analytic overlay of the drones?

[Daz Smith]

Yes, I did, yes.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

When did that happen for you?

[Daz Smith]

That was, that was very early on. That was, that was probably on my second or third page at the RV session. The moment I kind of saw that it was something manifesting through, through this kind of energy, kind, energy event, you know, because I know, well, you, everyone knows we don't have that kind of tech. The, you know, where there's nothing in the sky, then a weird portal opens and an object pops through. The moment that happened, it was like, whoa. Yeah, this, this, this, this feels like a drone. And that's when, when I wrote the word drone down on the sheet of paper.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Based on what you remote viewed, since this was your own internal experience, what is your assessment of who they are? Why are they here? Where do they come from?

[Daz Smith]

Yeah, I would, I mean I would need to do more RV on it, but just from the single RV session. And also bear in mind the other five or six remote viewers also had something to add to this as well. So that as a project had to hold you, you know, a lot of weight to this to support. I would say that the majority of the drones that were happening over New Jersey at the time when we were tasked, look at this, were definitely non human in, in nature. It looks like there was some normal activity as well. And that might have been helicopters and normal drones and you know, planes that were sent to investigate drones, observing drones. Yeah, it gets crazy, doesn't it? And it does feel like the, the one, at least the one that we looked at, the event we looked at was a baited event. And as I said on X several months later I did see a report from and you know, I can mention the guy's name. There's, there's a whistleblower called Jake Barber who was a government guy and you know, he claims to have seen and been exposed to many UAP things when he was part of the proper military circles. He's now doing this operation called Skywatchers where he has these, what they call psionic assets. So essentially people like myself, psychics, they're able to essentially bait and call these non human intelligences down and then they're trying to capture them on film and to communicate. And it just so happens that he was in the area doing that kind of thing when, when, you know, when we had that event. And I think he's probably the person, in fact I name him in the RV session is being one of those people in that on up high with the rest of those intel military type guys that were calling these objects into existence.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Yeah. How much is consciousness involved in these drones? Do you think or feel more than.

[Daz Smith]

I think the whistleblowers would like people to think? Yeah, I think. Well, especially from my RV data as well. And not just finesse, you know, because I've been tasked to look at other UAP events as well and they've been heavily consciousness based as well because the craft, they're not. We call them craft, but it's hard. I don't think craft is the right word. Yeah, yeah.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

The forms are the structures or.

[Daz Smith]

Yeah, the organic, the organic flying things are, are just as live in some degree as we are. The weird thing is I don't think it's coincidental that over the last five years are incredible steps that we've. And advancements we've made with AI. I don't think that's coincident, coincidental because that exact same sentient, almost alive or probably alive AI kind of feeling is the feeling I get from, from the drones. It's very similar to when I'm having a conversation with, you know, with chat GTP and how knowledgeable it is, you know, where you can't really tell if it's alive or not. That's what the, that's what the UAP craft seemed to feel like. And it is, it is, when you kind of connect to them, it is like a symbiotic relationship. They feed off you, you feed off them, you know. Yeah, it's, it's a very strange thing, so. Absolutely. Consciousness is at the heart of, of all of this. Yeah.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

And how much have you sensed that our, the human species consciousness is involved, juxtaposed to this NHI or uap? I know you mentioned you feel it's symbiotic, but what kind of relationship do we have with it or them if they are really separate from us?

[Daz Smith]

Yeah, that's a good question. And that's when I, I ponder a lot because some of the reports we are, you know, we have had of UAP encounters have been quite negative. You know, they have a, you know, we have to be honest here, as well as some humans having positive encounters and, and having positive mental and physical effects from this, you know, where they've been healed, you know, they See all kinds of spiritual stuff. There are also just as many reports of people having physical damage and mental damage from these kind of things as well. So I don't really know. I'm a, I have to be honest. I've been looking at the UAP subject almost as long as I've been into the psychic one. I started looking at UAPs in 1989 and it's been a close subject of mine ever since. What worries me is that if they were spiritual beings, they would be more open and they wouldn't let the governments lie to us like they're, like they're doing. That's the, the biggest thing that worries me is that, yeah, why haven't they, you know, if, and it would be, we all know it would be hugely beneficial for mankind to know that we aren't alone in the universe and to be able to interact consciously with, with their technology and with them as, as beings, as live beings. But they haven't allowed that. And that's what, that's what worries me. I think we're slowly getting there. Maybe it's a drip feed kind of situation where it was too much and, you know, we need to learn it slowly over decades to acclimatize to it. That might be the reason. But it does worry me that, you know, there does seem to be some subterfuge there.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Some have suggested we're not quite ready for it. Some have suggested that there's different types of NHIP and they may have different agendas, if you will.

[Daz Smith]

That's true.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

I think even in preparing for this conversation today, I believe you mentioned that this drone activity might be a form of, which is a buzz term these days, disclosure or a way for us to become more aware of this and that for some people it might just literally blow their minds. And so it takes a little bit to warm up to these other ways of physics, if you will, and consciousness.

[Daz Smith]

It's very possible we are over the past, I would say four or five decades now since Roswell. Well, that's seven decades, isn't it? In 47. I would say we are, we are, but mainly overnight since the 70s, we are going through a climatized type program, especially with the government and media, you know, because the government controls media to a certain degree and slowly drip feeds information out. So I do believe that is absolutely happening on that level. As to what and how the different groups of non humans have a say in that. I, you know, we just, we just don't know at this stage. But you know, some of some of the spiritual side of it does, does worry me a little bit saying that, you know, there are many people out there that have. Some have absolutely amazing spiritual encounters with some of these. I guess it's like everything we do as humans, we try to think of things as black and white, but there's not, there's many scales of gray in between and we just don't, we just can't comprehend or know the full situation right now. All my information on this case is literally just looking at that one event, you know, something that might been happening on next night a little bit down the road might for all we know have been a different non human with, with, with a different intention and purpose. We just don't know.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Yeah. And of course the other side of all this is that it may be that or some may think that this is human made and that we're just not maybe privy to some of that advanced technology that's been developed. However, do you have a sense of that one way or another?

[Daz Smith]

I believe, and my intuition tells me this as well, that it's possible that some of the drone activity is us trying to respond with, with our advanced technology. And that might have been even been what actually drew the non humans to look at it in the first place, you know, because they're, they're like, oh, they're curious on what we're doing. From what I've seen with normal data, you know, on, on the Internet and research and stuff and with my RV data, it's clear to me that this definitely is some kind of non human kind of interaction with us.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Additionally, there are reports that some of these drones have been over military bases around the world and also specifically bases where there are nuclear capabilities. I don't know the actual data on that, but can you, do you have any specifics about that?

[Daz Smith]

Just stories that we're getting in the press really. I mean, and in historical data. We know, you know, from many of the witness testimonies and books and videos out there that UAPS have had a great interest in what we're doing with our nuclear capabilities going way back to at least the 60s. And you know, we, there are even interactions that have been recorded. Again, it's witness testimony. So we don't, it's not completely solid. And whistleblower is Talking about the UAPs have actually interacted with missile silos and with weapons, you know, turning them on and off at will as, as they want. So we do have that on record. And there are some rumors that, you know, some of the activity over some of the military bases. It might be to do with what's happening with military actions in the world. You know, possibly moving nuclear missiles in and weapons around and they're interested in see what's going on with that. We can't, you know, it's very hard to absolutely confirm or deny anything because you know, obviously keep the positions of where military tactical weapons are, you know, secret operations. Really, it's not common knowledge, but we.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Probably don't, us civilians probably don't. Well, I'm pretty sure we don't know where all of them are. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[Daz Smith]

Yeah.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Well, based on your experiences of remote viewing, ufo, UAP and now this drone situation, what are the implications for people? Like what is it that you hope people will take away from our conversation?

[Daz Smith]

Yeah, well, great question. Well, definitely that we're not alone. Absolutely. But what form that takes is I can't answer. All I can say is in this case alone and in some of the other cases I've looked at, the non humans don't appear to be from, you know, another planet kind of thing. They, they, it definitely feels more dimensional, time, space and dimension related rather than it does a different galaxy or planets type situation. And they've been here, you know, they've been here probably longer than we have. And from some of my other rv, looking at some of the past cases as well, they kind of see us or indicate that we're like a garden that they're, that they're tending. Yeah, they see Earth as Earth as a garden, they're gardeners. And I don't know if that means physically or mentally and spiritually or maybe all of it, I don't know. But you know there, there are very good whistleblowers out there now that have what they call first hand experience of the craft. The, the aliens or the entities in the craft and the reverse engineering programs and quite a lot of them now are, are saying that the, the crashed craft and, and what's happening has been purposely seeded to us for our own personal development. So it seems that, yeah, if that's true, it seems like they've been interested in taking us technology wise and maybe even spiritually wise and consciousness wise in very specific directions for quite a few decades.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

For those who are interested in this topic, which I imagine are those who are still listening to this conversation, what would you suggest? If they are interested in developing their remote viewing or psychic abilities and also if they want to interact with these UAP or non human intelligences.

[Daz Smith]

Yeah, well the remote viewing side I would definitely recommend people Read before jumping with two feet straight into it. Because although all of us are intuitive and psychic to one degree or another, you know, lesser and greater, we can all access this kind of stuff without training to get the really good data. And you know, to be a skilled. As someone like myself has taken me three decades to get there or be. Oh well, you know, that is built on what I did. I did have a solid sounding of natural ability.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Yeah.

[Daz Smith]

So that helped me immensely.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

And you were raised in an environment that encouraged it as well.

[Daz Smith]

Yes, which, which you know, which helped me in a way that many people don't get to have because, you know, it's, it's quashed where they're brought up by, for religious and other social reasons really. So I would say read first, read a bit about the history, about how it works and then make a conscious decision if you want to. Like if you were trying to learn a martial art or another skill, like playing an instrument, you have to make a conscious decision that you need to, you need to put two or more years of your life and dedication towards honing this as, as an art and a skill. And if you don't want to do that, there are ways to quickly learn a few basics to then, you know, make this a kind of skill where you can find car park spaces or your car keys or simple things like that. So you have to make that kind of decision. But yeah, definitely read words at first.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

And investigate first first and definitely do that before trying to interact with these.

[Daz Smith]

Yeah, I wouldn't try, I wouldn't try to do any of the more advanced stuff like trying to interact with non humans. And it's just like any psychic endeavor really. And even the basic stuff like meditation, some people aren't in the right mental space to open themselves up to the possibilities of, oh my God, I can go anywhere in time and space and look at all these life forms that are everywhere around me that I can't see.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Yeah, a lot.

[Daz Smith]

Yes, you have to be in the right head space, the right frame of mind, the right state of being with your family and life situation to be able to absorb that. And I have seen, and there are cases of some people that haven't been in the right spaces so that it has caused them, we have to be honest, psychological issues for, for a while. So yeah, you have to be very careful on how you approach this kind of stuff. You know, we've all seen stories about how being esoteric can, you know, can be dangerous. You know, Ouija boards, all that kind of stuff. And To a degree that's true. You have to be careful that you're, you're mentally prepared for what you're, what you're attempting to do.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Yeah. And also be very aware of the intention of why you want to interact.

[Daz Smith]

Absolutely, yes. Intention for humans and consciousness of humans is key to everything. One of the things I've noticed when I'm remote viewing the non humans as well is that that's one of the things that they're very interested in us as humans is our consciousness and our abilities that we don't really know. But we have these abilities that pretty much limit us. We can do anything, but the majority of us on the planet, we have that stifled and we don't believe it. Yeah. And once you do believe it and really know, really trust in your abilities that you can do anything, you can accomplish anything. I think that's what, that's, that, that's what they're interested in. That spark. I don't think a lot. I don't think or some of the ones I've looked at in remote viewing do not have that ability or that natural spark, which is why they keep coming back to us and examining us and maybe even growing us to help adapt that spark.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Daz, right before you said that, I was just thinking that and I was thinking of Chris Bledsoe, who of course, for those who are familiar with him, if not he wrote a book, UFO of God. But he also where he talks about his experiences with beginning to interact with non human intelligences and see orbs. And he actually works with groups and produces or calls or on summons these orbs. And I know for him it's very spiritual and I do think, if I recall correctly that he talks about exactly what you just said is that you need to believe that you can do this. And most people don't believe that they can.

[Daz Smith]

Yeah, belief in intent and consciousness can do anything. And it's all the same thing as creativity as well. So where I get my intuitive data is the exact same place where I get my spark of creativity. You know, I have to be creative, I have to get out or take photographs, create art, music, dance, all that comes from this spark of what makes us human. And yeah, it's the total belief in yourself that you can do it which allows you to do it.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Yeah. And also maybe perhaps while we're interested in these nhis, maybe we can take more interest in ourselves and explore our own possibilities as well.

[Daz Smith]

Absolutely, 100%. And you know, I mentor people and I teach them how to or I Help. I help teach them how to remote view. But my biggest thing that I say to them is when I'm teaching you, I'm not teaching you anything mystical, no magical thing, I, I'm teaching you how to notice your own internal impressions. When you learn the remote view, all you're really doing is learning to listen to yourself and all this subtle signals, feelings, faults, inspiration, creativity that comes through you and you listen to it over a period of years enough that you trust it and you can interpret it better. Yeah.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

And that trust is really key as well, right?

[Daz Smith]

Yeah, absolutely. The moment I, when I was learning remote view in the moment, I slipped from this and it was like a light switch going on for me. The moment I said, I don't care if I'm right or wrong anymore, I totally trust my data because that's what I'm getting. That's when it all massively improved me. And yeah, I've never looked back since. No matter how weird the data, I write it down and trust it's correct.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Daz, what are the next steps with remote viewing? Ufo, UAP and the drone do you think? Or where does your interest lie in what's next with this?

[Daz Smith]

Well, that's a good question, I think, and I haven't seen it done yet. It might have been done in secret circles somewhere. It would be nice to have a group of talented remote viewers or psychics funded to do long term projects to try to understand what's going on with the non human intelligence situation on, you know, are there different levels, are there different non humans? You know, if there are, can we kind of categorize them? Can we find out what their intents are, where they're from? So a big coordinated product, I would like to say a big funded, coordinated project to try to answer many questions and build almost like a, a database or a knowledge base of what could possibly be going on. But that would need, you know, that would be like a one or two year long term effort with X amount of funding to be able to do that and it's just not happening out there right now. There are people like myself doing the occasional project that touches on this, but nothing, nothing cohesive, that's putting all together in one form that someone that a lot of people would then have access.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

To, although maybe certain governments or as you say, secret groups are exploring this and we just simply don't know.

[Daz Smith]

I'd be very surprised if they weren't because as you know, or as we're discussing remote viewing as a mechanism is very cost effective. Once you have someone trained or has an ability to do this. You just need to sit them down with a tablet or with a stack of paper for an hour or two and you get your data. There's no cost to that.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Truly amazing. Daz, is there anything else you want to share today about remote viewing?

[Daz Smith]

The drones don't believe what you may be towed in the presence of some of this is non human. It looks like we don't really know what's going on. There is a very interesting technology there which is not like any technology that we know as humans because it is alive in organic and yet just that, you know, we're all connected in this. Keep your mind open. Lots of, lots of things are changing in the world. Maybe that's why they're interacting right now. And if you're very interested, try this for yourself. You know, there's very easy ways to try remote viewing or to be intuitive yourself and see where you can take this. That's the best way to understand if this is real or not, is to try it yourself and. Yeah. See where you go.

[Jeffrey Mishlove]

Yeah, definitely. Daz, your track record is very inspiring. Along with the folks you work with at the Futures Forecasting Group and the other great remote viewers, we also have a very talented one who is a guest host here, Deborah Lynn Katz as well. I know you've worked on some projects with Deborah, who's currently the president of the International Remote Viewing Association. And I really appreciate you inspiring all of us and sharing information that we may not necessarily come across in the mainstream news. Thank you so much for being with me once again. And I look forward to more opportunities to have even more conversations as more data and information comes your way in the future. Thank you, Daz.

[Daz Smith]

Yeah, me too. It's always a pleasure chatting with you.

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