Podcast Summary
Podcast: New Thinking Allowed Audio Podcast
Episode: UFOs/UAP, AI, and Esoteric Goddess Traditions with Joanna Kujawa
Date: December 13, 2025
Host: Jeffrey Mishlove
Guest: Dr. Joanna Kujawa, author of The Other Goddess and Alien Goddess: UFOs and the Goddesses of Ascension
Episode Overview
This episode delves into the intersections of UFOs/UAP phenomena, the rise of artificial intelligence, and ancient esoteric goddess traditions. Dr. Joanna Kujawa, noted for her unique blend of scholarship and spiritual seeking, discusses her personal experiences with interdimensional entities, insights from Gnostic and goddess literature, and the spiritual implications of emerging technologies like AI. Her reflections are peppered with personal anecdotes, scholarly references, and cautionary insights for humanity’s spiritual evolution.
Key Discussion Points & Insights
1. Joanna Kujawa’s Approach: The Spiritual Detective
- Spiritual detective (rather than psychic detective): Joanna bridges rigorous scholarship with personal spiritual inquiry, aiming to extract deeper meanings from ancient texts beyond academic analysis.
- “I know my stuff, but I actually focus on the meaning of the text. And I want the text to speak to me on a spiritual level as well, so I can answer my own spiritual questions…” — Joanna Kujawa [04:41]
2. Personal UFO and Interdimensional Experiences
- At age 19, Joanna encountered a liminal portal in her room, experiencing a peaceful, telepathic message: “Do not be afraid.”
- She draws connections between angelic visitations in medieval times and modern UFO experiences, noting similar communications and states of consciousness.
- After a transformative pilgrimage in Jerusalem, she had a second profound encounter in Melbourne involving elongated humanoid beings transmitting complex, symbolic information.
- “I felt that they were transmitting something into my head…It overwhelmed me. And all I got out of this. It is important focus. This is important.” — Joanna Kujawa [09:13]
3. The Imaginal/Liminal Realm and Encounters with Baba Yaga
- Joanna distinguishes between imaginal spaces (drawing on Kripal, Corbin, Jean Yves Laloupe, etc.) and physical realms; imaginal spaces allow bidirectional contact with non-ordinary entities.
- She recounts a vivid encounter with the Slavic entity Baba Yaga during an altered state, which paralleled a real-world synchronicity involving her mother.
- “She represents this vast non human intelligence, which is nature…deep, deep spiritual beingness that is natural and it is around us and that we somehow get disconnected from this…” — Joanna Kujawa [15:52]
4. Esoteric and Gnostic Wisdom: Levels of Entities and Consciousness
- Gnostic literature—especially the Gospel of Mary Magdalene and Pistis Sophia—serves as a framework for understanding non-ordinary experiences.
- Liminal spaces are thresholds for contact with different types of entities; engagement depends on one’s state of consciousness.
- Joanna recounts the story of Sophia’s descent and rescue by Christ consciousness, paralleling humanity’s seduction by a “false light” (e.g., technological ideologies).
5. Artificial Intelligence: Gnosis, Temptation, and Spiritual Danger
- Joanna critiques transhumanist and posthumanist narratives, especially those that suggest AI will transcend or replace humanity.
- She draws parallels between the Gnostic demiurge (false, blind creator) and reckless technological creation, warning that spiritual faculties like intuition and insight could be lost.
- “We cannot give up our souls, we cannot lose our souls, but we can give them up freely. And I think this is the ultimate seduction of ideologies behind artificial intelligence.” — Joanna Kujawa [25:49]
6. Historical UFO/Goddess Apparitions: Fatima, the White Lady, and Beyond
- Joanna links famous apparitions (such as Fatima) to both extraterrestrial and goddess traditions, noting consistent features: the motif of the ‘White Lady,’ messages of peace, and events witnessed by large communities.
- She references scientific analyses suggesting material evidence of these phenomena (e.g., unusual infrared light signatures at Fatima).
- Such apparitions often deliver both comfort and warning, suggesting a benevolent feminine interdimensional presence.
- “There is this feminine presence which is very benevolent, that is…give us some sort of warning…” — Joanna Kujawa [41:02]
7. Levels of Consciousness in Gnostic and Goddess Teachings
- The Gospel of Mary Magdalene describes ascending levels of consciousness, from materialism to spiritual wisdom, where engagement with higher realities becomes possible.
- The critical message: “ascension is an inner job,” requiring self-work and discernment in the face of seductive external technologies or ideologies.
- “Depending from which level of consciousness you act or even think, you will encounter different realities…” — Joanna Kujawa [41:41]
8. Eroticism, Kundalini, and Goddess Encounters
- Joanna discusses the sexual dimension of goddess/alien encounters, referencing Whitley Strieber, Jeffrey Kripal, and John Mack’s research.
- Erotic contact is depicted as a means for interdimensional beings to transfer knowledge and awaken consciousness, paralleling tantric traditions in Hinduism and Buddhism.
- “She just used an erotic act to do this. And I think it is really, really beautif. And this also reminds me from my studies mythologies…” — Joanna Kujawa [51:55]
9. Mythic Descent, Hope, and Spiritual Resilience
- The myth of Inanna, the descent of goddess consciousness, and the repeated theme across cultures: descent into darkness is followed by aid from higher realms—provided one remembers their inherent spark.
- “Hold on with all your might…to this memory, to this possibility of this divine spark within you, help arise in each of the story.” — Joanna Kujawa [55:04]
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
On the spiritual detective approach:
“I want the text to speak to me on a spiritual level as well, so I can answer my own spiritual questions…” — Joanna Kujawa [04:41]
Linking personal and historical encounters:
“Every time they had an angelic encounter, the first thing that people who had this encounter…the first thing they heard telepathically: do not be afraid.” — Joanna Kujawa [06:10]
On the dangers of soulless technology:
“We cannot give up our souls, we cannot lose our souls, but we can give them up freely. And I think this is the ultimate seduction of ideologies behind artificial intelligence.” — Joanna Kujawa [25:49]
On discernment and spiritual sovereignty:
“Do not lose your discernment…especially if [AI is] telling you that it's spiritually superior.” — Joanna Kujawa [33:31]
On the possibility of spiritual aid:
“There is always help from above. And it's like in the Gospel of Mary Magdalene, you know, like the higher design descends…” — Joanna Kujawa [54:31]
Timestamps for Key Segments
- [03:13] — Joanna explains her “spiritual detective” approach
- [06:01] — Joanna describes her formative UFO/interdimensional encounter
- [09:33] — Further altered state experiences, beings of light, and “transmissions”
- [12:31] — Baba Yaga encounter and the imaginal (liminal) realm
- [18:53] — Deep dive into Gnostic cosmology and entities
- [21:13] — AI, transhumanism, and warnings from Gnostic myth
- [35:32] — UFOs, goddess apparitions, and the Fatima incident
- [41:41] — Levels of consciousness in Gnostic texts and their spiritual message
- [49:38] — Erotic aspects of goddess/alien encounters
- [53:49] — Mythic descent, hope, and the spark of ascension
Tone and Language
The conversation is earnest, exploratory, and reflective, with Joanna blending scholarly rigor and openness to profound experiences. She is both cautious (especially about AI) and hopeful regarding the potential for spiritual evolution, aiming to bridge ancient wisdom with modern challenges.
Conclusion and Core Message
Dr. Joanna Kujawa’s insights invite listeners to consider the reality and significance of liminal, interdimensional encounters—whether interpreted as UFOs, angels, or goddesses. She calls for discernment in the face of seductive technological ideologies, urging a return to inner, intuitive, and spiritual faculties preserved in esoteric traditions. The hope is that by remembering our divine (or human) spark, we—and the world around us—can ascend to higher states of being.
Recommended for:
Listeners interested in the intersection of esotericism, consciousness studies, UFO/UAP phenomena, spiritual traditions, and the philosophical challenges of AI.