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Jeremy Bowen
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Asma Khalid
How has America shaped the world? I'm Asma Khalid, host of the Global Story podcast from the BBC. As the United States marks its 250 year anniversary, we've been exploring the surprising and often hidden ways the US has shaped the modern world. And today on the show, we answer your questions about this moment and what to expect in the years to come. From the BBC. It's the United States at 250. Listen to the Global Story on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Katrina Perry
Hello.
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Adam Fleming
In the last episode of Newscast, we were focusing on Nigel Farage's attempt to cause a by election in Clacton. An attempt which seems to be succeeding because he has now been appointed to that slightly weird ceremonial role that means MPs have retired. It's the steward and bailiff of the Manor of Northstead and he was appointed to that role by Rachel Reeves, the Chancellor. Cause that's her job and she posted this on social media. I will accept Nigel Farage's request. It's a farce and a death desperate distraction and the people of Clacton deserve better. But he wants to spend the summer arguing with a bin. I won't stop him. And as you will know from yesterday's newscast, that's a reference to Count Binface, one of the few other candidates prepared to stand against Nigel Farage in Clacton. Because we've now had confirmation from the Conservatives, the Greens, the Lib Dems, Labour Restore Britain, that they will not be standing candidates because they think this is, in words of one, a pantomime. And they don't want to be walk on players. In Nigel Farage's pantomime, we will keep an eye on other candidates as they declare for the Clacton by election speculation that reform will move fairly soon so that the by election could take place on August 6th. We shall see. Let's see what else we've got to discuss in the world on this episode
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Katrina Perry
of Newscast, Newscast, Newscast from the BBC.
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Jeremy Bowen
I will resign as leader of the Labour Party.
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Katrina Perry
And what will you do? Stare at a wall?
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Donald Trump
Humanity's next Great voyage begins.
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Jeremy Bowen
You know, I like my buses. I'll come on to them.
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Donald Trump
It's supposed to be me as a doctor.
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Adam Fleming
Ooh la la.
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Katrina Perry
Thinking about it like a.
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Jeremy Bowen
Do we play music now or what do we do?
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Adam Fleming
Hello, it's Adam in the newscast studio and we are going international in this episode because on Tuesday night the US military hit targets in Iran, they say in retaliation for an attack on shipping in the Strait of Hormuz on Monday. All of this happening while world leaders are gathering in Ankara for a summit of the NATO military alliance, where Donald Trump had some very choice words for the Iranian regime, which throw into doubt whether the negotiations between the two sides can contain continue. They had been paused while Iran had had the funeral for the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei. So what is going on and what does this mean? Two people are here to help us. Joining me in the newscast studio for the first time in ages is the BBC's international editor, Jeremy Bowen. Hi, Jeremy.
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Jeremy Bowen
Hello. I haven't been in your studio for
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Adam Fleming
a little while because you're an international globetrotter.
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Jeremy Bowen
That's why.
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Adam Fleming
Yes, that's why. And Katrina Perry joins us from Washington. Hi, Katrina.
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Katrina Perry
Hi, how are you? Yeah. The world comes to Washington, but Washington does not come to London at this point.
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Adam Fleming
The newscast just spreads out across the globe virtually. Right. We're recording this episode on Wednesday at 20 past 6. We've all just been watching a quite rambling press conference by Donald Trump at the NATO summit in Ankara, which is wrapping up now. A few things have emerged from that, but most of the main news has been happening in the. In the preceding 48 hours. Jeremy, let's start from this, the start of this latest episode. So this attack on shipping in the Strait of Hormuz, which then triggered of retaliation from the US on, on Tuesday night. What do we know about the. The kind of. The spark that lit this?
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Jeremy Bowen
Well, it's because the Strait of Hormuz, which is this narrow waterway, 20% of the world's oil and gas go through it, plus a lot of other important commodities. The central channel in it has been mined, so it can't be used right now. They're in a process of demining. There are two alternative routes. One goes past the Omani coast, the country opposite Iran.
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Adam Fleming
Yeah. On the western side.
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Jeremy Bowen
Yep. The other one goes past the Iranian coast and surprise, surprise, the Iranians want that channel to be used. They do not want the other channel to be used. And they now, they haven't said that they actually carried out the attacks, but it's hard to see who else could have done it. So, you know, they are making a point that they are prepared to take all sorts of risks, to take it to the brink, to possibly collapse or risk the collapse, I should say, of the negotiations that are going on with the Americans via intermediaries, in defense of what they say are their really important principles, their red lines. And of those, perhaps the reddest of the red lines is control of the straight of Hormuz. Because while they might be, I've spoken to people involved in these talks, while they are perhaps under the right circumstances prepared to do a deal about navigation through the straight, because that's also in their interests, it has to be in the context of not giving up on the principle that they decide who goes through. And what they will not do is go back to the way they were on 27 February, the day before the Israeli American attack on them, when, you know, let's not forget, ships were happily going back and forth through that straight. And, and a direct consequence of the war has been its closure and the, that the, the.
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Adam Fleming
So in other words, they want the straight of Hormuz to be open, but they want it to be open under their control.
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Jeremy Bowen
Yeah, under their, under their control because they want, because they know that they can, they've got the, it's a choke point for the entire world economy which they can actually start choking in just a couple of days if they need to. So for them, it's an absolutely brilliant
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Adam Fleming
weapon and we'll come on to the wider context in a second and what it means for the peace negotiations, if that's what we're even calling them. Katrina, what have we learned about the US Retaliation on Tuesday night?
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Katrina Perry
Well, we had a statement from CENTCOM saying that they had hit over 80 targets with precision munitions as a response to what Jeremy's been outlining there, they hit Air Defence Systems Command and control centers, coastal radar sites as well, anti ship missile capabilities. President Trump sort of described it as having hit all of their little ships, whatever was left of them, and they, I think, which totaled in, in around 60 small boats belonging to the IRGC. And that's kind of where it's at at the moment, although he has warned a couple of times today that he will hit Iran hard to use his language tonight. And he sort of said, you can take that as my little warning to you.
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Adam Fleming
And then when Donald Trump was talking at the NATO summit in Ankara and he's had a few appearances in public there today, he said this Particularly ear catching thing about the Iranian regime, I think it's over.
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Donald Trump
I don't want to deal with them anymore. They're scum. You know what scum is? They're scum. They're sick people. They're led by sick people and they're vicious, violent people. And if they had a nuclear weapon, they'd use it. As far as I'm concerned, it's over. I'll speak to our negotiators. They want to negotiate. They're good people, Steve Witkoff, Jared Kushner, but they have to come back to me. As far as I'm concerned, it's just a waste of time dealing with them. They're liars. We make a deal and if I make a deal with him, we have a deal and he goes out, he talks, we make a deal, everyone's agreeing, no nuclear weapons, Me, we make a deal. They go outside, talk to the press, they say, we never even talked about it, there's something wrong with them, they're cuckoo. As far as I'm concerned, it's over.
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Adam Fleming
So as far as Donald Trump is concerned, the, I don't know, does he mean the ceasefire is over or the negotiations are over or the whole situation is over talks, I think, yeah. What's your take on what he's just said there, Jeremy?
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Jeremy Bowen
Well, he's already pulled back from it a bit actually, because also in the, a little way on, in that, that, that, that sort of speech that he made, I was trying to find the right word. He then said, look, the guys, they want to continue, they want to continue with it. So you know, I'm gonna let them, but it's not going to go anywhere. And then later on he's been, just before he headed for the airport, he was asked at a press conference then, so his war's back on? He said, no, no, it's not back on. Not back on. This is because he doesn't have a better option than talking and that this
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Adam Fleming
is not because bombing Iran hasn't actually changed the Iranian regime or changed their position.
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Jeremy Bowen
Yeah, these things. I've just put together a TV piece and the final shots of it was an extraordinary video news release that the Pentagon have released. And it's like a scene from Top Gun filmed a little while ago, it says last month, but with the array of U. S. Naval might and helicopters and bombers and, and planes and, you know, all it's missing is Tom Cruise, though he might have been in there somewhere, perhaps. And the point is, it's almost like they don't get it? They're up against the limits of their military power. And even though their military power is remarkable and unmatched, what they have not done is break the will of the regime in Tehran. Far from that, they've actually emboldened them and perhaps even strengthened them, even though, of course, billions of dollars of damage has been done. It's no, you know, we're under no doubts. America can break anything they want in Iran, but the point is accept the will of the hard men in the regime.
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Adam Fleming
And I suppose, Katrina, we've seen this a lot of times now, Donald Trump being very belligerent when he's in public and the cameras are on, but then the US Actually being a bit more pragmatic when it comes to sitting around a table in private.
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Katrina Perry
We have. And the comments he made today about the regime, I mean, he set that aside, what he was saying about them just about a month or so ago, and he was saying they were nice people, very rational, and everything was progressing really well. And now he's back to this commentary, and he was asked in that sort of second press conference that he did, you know, why have you changed your tune in such a dramatic way? And he said, oh, I got to know them. They're loco, he says, using the Spanish word for crazy. And I think there's a sense that we've seen from President Trump now by this stage, haven't we? Of, you know, he sort of says whatever he says in front of the cameras, which doesn't necessarily tally up with what's going on behind the scenes, because at another point today, he spoke about how in Iran, they wanted to, you know, have a decent funeral for the Ayatollah Khamenei, who was killed on the first day of the war, and that they had wanted to sort of pause talks, and the Americans had agreed to that, to let that funeral procession take place. And now he's saying, oh, the talks are off. I don't know if I'll even engage. Engage in talks. He said at one point in the second press conference, I might just finish the job. Now, what does finish the job mean? You know, Jeremy, as you've been saying, I mean, talks are really the only route out that the Americans have at this point. So you're trying to put all the statements that President Trump has made today in a line with each other and sort of find what is the common thread running up there as to just what the American position is right now.
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Adam Fleming
Yeah, Jeremy, give us a bit of intel about what's actually going on in These negotiations and what might happen once they restart after the break for the funeral of the Supreme Leader.
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Jeremy Bowen
Yeah, I chat from time to time to people involved in the talks and, well, the atmosphere today around them, surrounding the people who are doing the mediation is said to be tense because of what's happened. This was not something that they wanted to. They were hoping that they were making progress towards a deal where Iran would find a way to agree to a navigation deal through the strait and then move on to some of the other stuff. Because let's not forget, all this talking is just to get back to where they were the day before the war was started by the Americans and the Israelis. The more substantial, really substantive stuff about Iran's nuclear plans, the whereabouts of its enriched uranium, what Trump calls the nuclear dust, it's actually a gas, I believe all of that stuff. They're not even on to that quite yet. And you've mentioned earlier, are they really peace talks? No, they're not. What's going on at the moment is essentially discussion of an agenda 14 point memorandum of understanding, something like a two pages, bit less than that. So they're talking about what they're going to be talking about. But a prerequisite is to try to get the navigation going through the straight. And that is proving very difficult. Essentially the thinking as I assess it, as I it's been indicated, is that if, if, if, and this is one way of selling it potentially to Trump, there can be a great big deal that changes the Middle East. And actually it is a coherent argument to say that the only countries that could change the Middle east, probably external players. Well, America is the external plan and Iran as well, because they, they control so much in the region. So if they could do it, normalize relations in some way, it would be transformational. But what we're seeing is how difficult that process could be.
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Adam Fleming
Yeah. And so on the one hand, Trump could get his world historical moment where he is the world historical figure that he wants to be. And that then is cover for the fact that on a sort of short and medium term, he's not really achieved
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Jeremy Bowen
anything in Iran and they'd have to as well. To do a deal with Iran is you've got to give them credit, something in return they're not going to and something concrete, they're not going to take promises.
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Adam Fleming
So basically that would be allowing, allowing them to sell their oil on the international market, unfreezing their assets, and also
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Jeremy Bowen
there would be a deal on the nuclear thing and they've done deals on their nuclear ambitions. Before they did them with in the Obama years in the so called jcpoa, which Trump pulled out of saying was the worst deal in the history of deals. So that's where they're at right now. But it's going to be a long and difficult process. But the main thing is neither the Americans or the Iranians want to get into where they were. They don't want to get into a full scale shooting war. They both have strong reasons not to do it.
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Adam Fleming
Just a bit of breaking news from the NATO summit and it comes from Chris Mason, who says the Prime Minister was handed a personalised gun with live ammunition as a gift from the host of the NATO summit, the Turkish President, Recep Tayyip Erdogan. The weapon has Sir Keir Starmer's name written on it. A similar gift was given to the leader of each NATO country in attendance. Now, Katrina, that sounds like a present designed to appeal to Donald Trump, doesn't it? Although normally when you hand a leader a revolver, it's for them to.
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Jeremy Bowen
With a bottle of whiskey.
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Adam Fleming
Exactly. A famous image for resigning, is it?
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Katrina Perry
After dinner party game they're doing at the NATO summit.
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Jeremy Bowen
Russian roulette.
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Katrina Perry
Yeah.
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Jeremy Bowen
My question is, whose name's written on the bullets of the Prime Minister's guns?
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Adam Fleming
Exactly. Or maybe the recipient can add their own.
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Katrina Perry
You can actually, while we're on the subject of guns, you can buy a golden AK47 with Donald Trump's signature embossed on it. That's one of the sort of things that his, his fundraising team sell. So, yes, if he got one of those presents, I think he will have been very happy with this Trump merch.
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Adam Fleming
Yes. Right, Jeremy, I know you've got to go and be on the news channel in about four minutes, so I'll let you kick off this bit of the conversation and then you can leave. The other conflict that has been the focus of the world's attention in the NATO summit this week is Russia and Ukraine. And there's been actually quite a, there's been some, a big development kind of when it comes to military kit. And also just a big development in terms of the diplomatic warmness between Zelensky and Trump.
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Jeremy Bowen
Yeah, you know, we talk a lot about the way that Trump moves from A to B via Z and back, back again. He would say Z. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And you know, think back to that, that shootout, verbal shootout in the Oval Office back when was it last year?
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February?
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Adam Fleming
Last year.
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Jeremy Bowen
Yeah. Yeah. When Trump berated him and Zelensky stood up for himself. Trump said, you've got no cards. You're a dictator. You started the war. All lies, of course. And now, though, maybe it's because Trump likes a winner and Ukraine is doing rather well on the battlefield with their, their skills in drone warfare. He has granted something that has been at the top of President Zelensky's wish list for ages, which is the, the right to manufacture under license the Patriot interceptor missile, which they don't have enough of. I've been in, say in Kharkiv in the Northeast, when they've been being hit by, by ballistic missiles fired out of Russia. And I remember that day, the mayor saying, we don't have any Patriot missiles. The only thing will deal this is a Patriot. We haven't got one. Because they're a very effective, very effective, proven weapon. It's been around for 30 odd years. The first Gulf War, more than 30 years ago, is when they were, they debuted. So, you know, it's, it's a very effective technology. I think up to now the Germans and the Japanese have been given licenses to make them. So this isn't just a really important thing for Zelensky for his war effort, though clearly it's going to take a while to set up the factories. What I think is almost equally significant is that it shows that Trump has, for this anyway, has has navigated away from his affinity with President Putin of Russia, because this is something, of course, the Russians are not going to like at all. And you know, earlier on this year, I was in Ukraine in, in February when it was all frozen solid, and that was the time when Trump and Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner were saying to the Ukrainians, you have to give up territory that the Russians have never been able to capture in order to get some kind of a ceasefire. And of course, Zelensky refused and they've gone from that in just half a year to a situation where top of the wish list has been granted. And so Zelensky is going to go back to Kiev really happy about what's been achieved.
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Adam Fleming
Although as you point out, Jeremy, getting that agreed in person is one thing. Actually, the kit being manufactured locally and then being able to defend Ukrainian cities is such a long way off.
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Jeremy Bowen
It is.
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Adam Fleming
And there's a shortage of these patriots globally.
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Jeremy Bowen
Yeah. Because in the Americans have been, have been burning through their own supplies in the Middle East, Gulf allies and, and Israel.
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Adam Fleming
Yeah. Jeremy, I'm going to let you go and speak to the news channel. Thank you very much.
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Jeremy Bowen
Thanks.
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Adam Fleming
Jeremy is just taking his earpiece out and he's going to gracefully maneuver around the microphone and leave the news.
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Jeremy Bowen
He's in an interesting position.
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Adam Fleming
1, 2, 3, push out of the way, push it out of the way. You don't need to limbo under it. Jeremy, thank you very much. Yes. Jeremy's doing some Pilates as he gets out the studio. Yes. Katrina. Yeah, Katrina, what's your take on Trump's like, massive warming towards Zelenskyy?
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Katrina Perry
Yes, it's interesting. I think Zelensky will be going home a very happy man after all of this. And I agree with Jeremy there. It's the symbolism of it above all else. Because interestingly, President Trump said to President Zelensky, you know, yes, I'm giving you those licenses. And then he said, the manufacturers, the companies who own those licenses don't know yet, but it'll be okay. We'll work it out, don't worry sort of thing. So that shows even more that this was a President Trump sort of move towards, you know, warming up, leaning back into Ukraine again as to the practical situation here. I mean, yes, the factories have to be built then, you know, only about 600 of these a year can be made once factories are up and running. So by the time Ukraine would actually be able to manufacture and have delivery of their own Patriots, I think they would hope the war would nearly be over by then. But I think more importantly is that re establishing of the alliance. And President Trump was talking again with President Zelensky about the possibility of a three leader summit and saying, maybe you would come to Moscow, Vladimir, for that. Would you? Because President Putin has said, oh, yeah, I'll do a three way summit, but only if it's in Moscow.
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Donald Trump
President Putin said, I would love to meet in Moscow. And I said, I don't think, you know, I have to put myself in his position. I don't know that he'd go to Moscow. Maybe he would. Would you go to Moscow?
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Adam Fleming
It's difficult. There are a lot of Ukrainian drones there.
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Chris Mason
That's right.
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Katrina Perry
Even the fact that they're having these sort of jokes, if you want to call them that, and those more warm conversational tones, it's just so far away, isn't it, from what Jeremy is describing there in February of last year in the Oval Office.
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Adam Fleming
And also here's what I'm thinking, that maybe a product of Trump being kind of hands off on Ukraine, if, if you will, has maybe helped Ukraine in the sense of. And it is about the Ukrainian drones in Moscow because Ukraine has really, really upped the ante of their attacks into Russia so much so that James Landale was on the radio this morning going and vox popping people who are queuing for petrol in Moscow because Russian oil refineries can't produce enough fuel because they've been hit by Ukrainian weapons. I remember an era when Joe Biden was president and they wouldn't even provide certain bits of kit to Kiev for defensive purposes because they were worried that would be perceived as an escalation by the Russians. I wonder if a byproduct of Trump just sort of not caring as much is that Ukraine has kind of unleashed and are able to do these attacks much more spectacularly and more deeply into Russia.
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Katrina Perry
Yeah, absolutely. And also the European partners and the UK and the EU members have all had to lean in a lot more closely to Ukraine than perhaps they would have if the big brother of the US was there as well. So they've all sort of developed this other nexus of giving extra, whether it's loans for defense weaponry or actual cash and other things to help Ukraine do that. And also, let's not forget, Russia has responded with some very intense strikes, particularly in the last couple of weeks or so. So I think we are in an escalatory phase, regardless of sort of who's to blame for it or to take credit for it. But the US being absent from it has probably changed the trajectory in a different way.
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Adam Fleming
And it's almost like Chris Mason has been listening to this recording because he's now updated his copy from Ankara, saying, in addition, we have learnt the personalised gun was a revolver. So Keir Starmer has been handed a revolver but not a bottle of whiskey. And it's understood the bullets didn't have anyone's names on.
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Katrina Perry
Thank you, Chris, for asking that question for us.
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Adam Fleming
Yeah. Anything else you'd like to know, Katrina? While Chris's eavesdropping?
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Katrina Perry
I don't know, it feels like an episode of Cluedo. Like, what room were they in when they got the revolver?
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Adam Fleming
Yes, the NATO summit room. And just in terms of another kind of diplomatic thing that's happened with Trump today, he has repeated his attack on Spain for not being a good ally. But then I see Spain is fired back, if you pardon the gun pun by saying, well, actually, it's quite hard for the US to threaten an individual member of the EU with tariffs, for example, because the EU is one big block when it comes to tariffs. So you can single out Spain verbally and rhetorically, but not commercially.
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Katrina Perry
Yeah, I mean, there's a long time argy bargy going on between the US and Spain over the last few months and sort of trading barbs like this. It's, it's a sort of sport at this point in time, you know, and I, I think that's par for the course in a way. You know, before the big news lines of today in terms of the licenses of the Patriot missiles for Ukraine and the decision to start, well, restart bombing Iran last night, all of the focus at the beginning of the NATO summit was on that awkwardness between leaders and President Trump bringing back up Greenland again in his opening remarks with the Turkish president yesterday. So, you know, I think these things bubble up when President Trump is there with all of the European leaders. But, you know, essentially, as Spain has put it, they're part of the EU bloc, so tariff one, tariff all.
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Adam Fleming
Also these NATO summits, in fact, any international or multinational gathering that Trump appears at now, people seem to have got a bit more used to the fact that there's ups and downs and the whole event is a rollercoaster. This feels much less sort of existential for the fate of NATO as previous summits.
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Katrina Perry
Yeah, I think so. I mean, the fact that people know how he's going to react to them now, they kind of know what he's going to say as well. And they also know that what he says today might be something else next week. So I think leaders, particularly, because so many of them have made the sort of path, the trek down the gravel driveway of the White House to see President Trump as well, they're building those personal relationships which are so key. I mean, President Trump himself always says he's a one to one guy and he likes to build those kind of that bit of rapport with leaders that they're sort of figuring it out and it doesn't feel like, you know, this is the end of days. And also he's, you know, he's happy that member states have increased their defense spending as well. I mean, he sees that as a win. He would like it to be higher, obviously, but he feels like he goes in there with an amount of power that perhaps is greater than some of the others around the table.
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Adam Fleming
And we are seeing the reality of what the other NATO members do when the Americans don't seem as reliable a member of the alliance. Because we've got today the leaders of Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, Romania, Spain, Sweden, Turkey and the UK saying that they're going to set up this deep precision strike capability investment initiative, which is a lot of words and acronyms for saying they're going to spend £37 billion euros, dollars, 50, $50.6 billion. So about £37 billion over the next 10 years to develop their own long range missile capability. So there is, there's an example of actually. Yeah, that's a thing they didn't have to do five years ago, but they're now having to do now because of Trump.
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Katrina Perry
Yeah, exactly. They're building their new alliances, their new sort of. We'll move on without you. Us. Thank you very much. You're not as reliable as you once were. And you know, I was speaking to a few sort of international diplomats here in the US Last night about Ukraine and those recent big strikes from Russia. We saw Poland scrambling jets last week, for example, didn't we, because of how intense the strike on Kyiv was. And many of those countries are extremely nervous about where this is going with Russia. That President Putin is now so perhaps frustrated and is being targeted so far into Russia those fuel shortages are becoming more common that they are worried about what happens next. And so it's not surprising to see what you're talking about there. And I think we'll see many other schemes like that. We already have seen them. Them where countries are sort of building their own resources and counting the US Out.
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Adam Fleming
Well, Katrina, good to catch up for the second time this week.
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Katrina Perry
Yes, what a pleasure. Talk soon.
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Adam Fleming
And before we go, we've got some more supporter reporters as part of our mission to find a newscaster in every single one of the 48 countries that initially went to the World Cup. There's a lot fewer still in it now. Anyway, Miranda got in touch to say hello. I'm not sure whether you already have Uzbekistan covered, Miranda. We don't, but I'm volunteering for the job. I'm not there currently, but in 1993, my husband and I spent our honeymoon traveling around Uzbekistan just as it was becoming a country. It's a beautiful place with very hospitable people. Well, better late than never. Thank you very much, Miranda. You can be our supporter reporter for Uzbekistan for your historic but very heartfelt connection to the country. She also says thank you for Brexitcast newscast, ameracast by electioncast. And we've had a message from Karen, who's volunteering to be our supporter reporter for Morocco, which I may or may not have got in a work sweepstake. Karen says I'm a regular listener, having been introduced to the TV version by my parents. Do you know what? I'm as intrigued as how people find out about newscast as I am finding supporter reporters. So thank you, Karen. She goes on. I'm surprised you haven't already found a supporter reporter from Morocco, where I now live. Morocco certainly has football talent and football fever. From the terrace of my Riad, which is a traditional courtyarded Moroccan home, I can tell the score of their matches from the silent tension or the drumming and cheering spreading over the rooftops. Keep up the good work. Not sure if that's to us or Morocco or maybe both, but thank you, Karen. And finally, Gabriel says, I'm a South African living in South Korea. Both teams were in the same group for the World Cup. And then he explains that his wife is South Korean, which would have been interesting when South Africa beat South Korea 1 nil. Oh, another five lifestyle match report at the end of newscast. Thank you very much for your supporter reporter bids. All those three have been accepted. We've still got a few countries to go and the World Cup's not over yet, so there's time to fill all 48 slots. If you'd like to be in one of the spare ones, newscastbc.co.uk, or you can WhatsApp us on 033-01-239480 and we'll be back with another newscast very soon. Bye bye.
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Katrina Perry
Newscast, Newscast from the bb from one
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Chris Mason
newscaster to another, thank you so much for making it to the end of this episode. You clearly do, in the words of Chris Mason, ooze stamina. Can I also gently encourage you to subscribe to us on BBC Sounds? Tell everyone you know and don't forget, you can email us anytime@newscastbc.co.uk or if you're that way inclined, send us a WhatsApp on 444-03-301239480. Be assured, I promise, we listen to everyone.
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Asma Khalid
How has America shaped the world? I'm Asma Khalid, host of the Global Story podcast from the BBC. As the United States marks its 250 year anniversary, we've been exploring the surprising and often hidden ways the US has shaped the modern world. And today on the show we answer your questions about this moment and what to expect in the years to come. From the BBC. It's the United States at 250. Listen to the Global Story on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts.