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BONUS MONDAYS: AMERICA'S LEADING PSYCHIC Reveals ALARMING Predictions for MANKIND! with James Van Praagh
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James Van Praagh is an American spiritual medium, author, and television personality known for his work in the field of psychic phenomena and communication with the spirit world. Born on August 23, 1958, in Bayside, New York, he has become one of the...
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Alex Ferrari
Welcome to the Next Level Soul Podcast where we ask the big questions about life. Why are we here? Is this all there is? What is my Soul's mission? We attempt to answer those questions and more by bringing you raw and inspiring conversations with some of the most fascinating and thought provoking guests on the planet today. I am your host, Alex Ferrari. Now, before we dive into today's conversation, I want to invite you to experience something truly transformative. Next Level Soul tv Our spiritual streaming platform where seekers from around the world can awaken, heal and expand. We've curated a powerful collection of life changing documentaries, Deep dive interviews, original series, audiobooks, courses, master classes and and live events all focused on conscious personal transformation, ancient wisdom and the soul's journey. This isn't just content, it's a calling. Whether you're exploring your spiritual gifts, seeking answers from the beyond, or just craving something real in a noisy world, Next Level Soul TV was made just for you. And here's the best part. It's commercial, free, available around the world and growing every week with new soul expanding content. So if you're ready to go deeper, head over to NextLevelSoul TV and start streaming your awakening. Now, let's begin today's episode. Disclaimer. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the guest and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of this show, its host or any of the companies they represent. Now today on the show, we welcome back James Van Praagh, one of the more popular guest we've had on the show. Now I wanted to have James back to have a conversation about what is going on in the world, the pain and the suffering, the wars overseas and all of the things that seem to be heading humanity in the wrong direction. I wanted to get James's point of view from the other side, what he has been hearing and what he has been told. So let's dive in. I'd like to welcome back to the show returning Champion, James L. Prague.
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James Van Praagh
You did Jason Champion.
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Ryan Seacrest
Thank you.
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James Van Praagh
Because of you, I was reading when the show started that you were the best host interview I've had in the past several years because you're so into it and you have knowledge and wisdom about it and education and it really is wonderful to talk to someone who understands this world.
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Alex Ferrari
Oh, but you know what, I really appreciate that, Jim. That means a lot coming from someone like you who's, who has, who is a volume of knowledge and experience in this space as well. I think we're both trying to bring some light into the world. So I do truly, truly appreciate that, my friend. Yeah. And you were talking about before we started is our last conversation, you know, caught a little fire. People really enjoyed it.
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James Van Praagh
Yeah. I did a tour in Europe and people coming up to me in every different country I was at and they said I heard you on Next Level, saw the podcast, that was really great. And you. And now it's great. A lot of people. So yeah, about 20 people come up to me during that tour in different places and just saying to me, oh, I just heard your podcast and of course I just do these things. I don't know where they end up of course. But yeah, a lot of people are hearing your, your podcast from all over the world, which is fantastic.
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Alex Ferrari
That's, that's amazing. And like, just like you, I just do these. I don't know where they end up either. They.
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James Van Praagh
Right.
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Alex Ferrari
They are tools of the universe to use as they wish. It's basically Whoever needs to hear the conversation at the time, they need to hear it. It's just my job to put it out there into the world, and whatever happens to it is great. So. So, James, first things I wanted to talk about in this conversation is I keep getting contacted by my. My. My tribe, if you will, about what is happening overseas. The. The violence, the wars, the conflicts that are going on, and people, you know, we on the show always talking about the humanity's great shift, our consciousness is rising, all of these kind of things. And that is all true. And I think both things kind of have to happen at the same time. From my personal point of view. Can you talk a little bit about from your point of view, from your experience and your connection that I don't have to the other side, why this is all happening right now?
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James Van Praagh
Well, it's a good question and it's a hard question in some respects, because from a spiritual point of view, we gotta remember that this Earth school, it's a school for the souls. For the souls. It's a school for us to grow and expand. And we come back here from. It's important to know we all come back here, all different levels of souls. So whether it's a baby soul that comes back who thinks that power and money and war is everything, or you have advanced postgraduate souls who are lightworkers and healers and trying to bring love and compassion. And then you have, of course, those middle souls who are just still trying to figure things out. So when you have a space like that, when you have a school like that, it inevitably will create different scenarios and different dramas, different things to play out and to work out. So it's all about growth and it's all about evolution and transformation. And not only is it personal transformation for each one of our souls here, this is a place to learn and to grow and to demonstrate compassion, understanding, patience in all different ways. Yeah. And not only for us as a one individual soul, but a soul group. And also there's karma too, which is we have personal karma, our country karma, our world karma. Obviously, these places of conflict right now have their own karma. So it's trying to work those things out. It's no easy answer because there's so many aspects involved here. And I think that it really comes down to, I feel when anything's extreme, whatever it is, politics or whatever extreme in any way, it's a bad thing. I think things need to be balanced and moderate because any extreme is not good. It closes things off, closes the mind of closer from learning. We Got to be open minded. So in some strange ways, through conflict, through upsets, we learn, we grow, we understand that this is not the way things should be. And hopefully we'll get to that message, which is like, human life is precious. And no matter where it is, and no matter if it's on a battlefield or in a political courtroom, wherever it might be, lives are precious. And we got to realize that. And we also got to realize, Alex, and I think it's, I really think the bigger picture is we got to realize that we're all connected, that we're not separate. That big illusion we have in this three dimensional world is that we're separate. We're not, we're all together. That's the big, you know, we can't see the cloak, you know, or called the Valley of Forgetfulness when we come back here, that things are just separate from one another and they're not, they're actually together. So the interesting thing is what one does, whether it's thought, words and action affects another person, it affects all of us. It'll affect every single one of us. And that's why in this human level, we're all affected by this. We feel it because within our being, it's part of us as well. And we want to do the best we can. So it's a playground here. It's try to do the best we can. And I often people ask me, what can they do? And I said, well, in order to change a macrocosm, you first gotta change the microcosm. We gotta change what's going on in your own life, conflicts in your own world, people in your own world. And I can say this to you because we've proven it, you and I have proven it, that what you do in the microcosm will affect the macrocosm. So even the podcast here will go out to many, many, many people. And on some subtle levels, it will affect them in some way, maybe in a conscious way, but at another level, and help them to act accordingly. I think it forces people to go back inside themselves and to ask questions like, what is going on with this world? What's going on with me in this world? What can I do? Excuse me, how can I be more compassionate myself in my own personal life? So what I see is number of questions, but it's transformation, it's growth, it's change. And I mean, it's a horrible thing to see. But I also think there's no other place around that would do this. There's another school in the galaxies that I know of that has this type of free will, this type of different levels of souls. Of course, it could be. I might be, of course limited in my. What I'm aware of, but this is the Earth School is one where conflicts play out. We grow the most in many ways. Yeah. And I think that. I think to me, once you learn something, you can't unlearn it. So for instance, I say, you know, when you're kid, you learn that a red light means you can't cross the street. We've learned that one. And we don't have to. We don't unlearn things. We learn and we progress. So there's never a degress, there's a progress. So hopefully for the humankind, we're going to progress from this and from conflict to conflict. I don't know what you felt, but when I first saw all these conflicts in the world, the first thought I had, the first feeling I sensed was. It feels so archaic. It feels so old, this way of battles like that. It feels like so long ago. It doesn't belong here anymore. We've reached a different level of awareness or consciousness. And like, it seems so backwards to me. What do you think?
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Alex Ferrari
I agree with you 100%. When I started seeing what was happening over on the other side of the world, it. I just said to myself, I'm like, this really. Like that was the really. Is this happening still? Like, you know, some of those conflicts are thousands of years old. I'm like, are you really? Is this the song we're still playing, you know, after all these years? Like, it's. But I do think that in order for the wound to heal, it needs to be brought out into the light and you need to dig it out of the dirt, if you will. And I saw that with. With the last 10 years here in the States where, you know, the racism has always been here in the United States, it's always been here. But it was very quiet, it was very subtle. It was very, like muffled. You would hear it in the corner, you would hear at a party. You wouldn't walk into your. Into your place of business wearing a T shirt stating something racist or, you know, putting it out on. On your arm. Like now. It's when in the last decade, I don't know about you, in the 80s, you would have never heard the stuff that is being said now publicly on air, things that are being said. But in order for it to heal, it needs to come out and be shown to the light. To be. Everyone's like, this is not who we want to be anymore.
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James Van Praagh
It's true. It's the first step of healing is awareness. So you got to bring up that muck and to the surface to look at it, to be aware of it and to be healed. And I think it goes hand in hand with, and I often say this every day to friends of mine, you know, this new world, I don't get it. I'm actually writing a book right now about the old world and the new world. And I think a lot of it plays the fact of the social media, big deal of it. I think that people feel they have to have their 15 minutes of fame. So whether social media, whether they're woke, whatever that all means, the political stuff, it's just everybody wants to be validated, I think in some way. And I think social media started doing that. And influencers, which I still don't get. But influencers, they want to be influenced, they want to be validated, they want to be seen. And you and I grew up, we didn't have that sort of a thing to have social media. And it just seems like you can just go on your bandwagon, just spout things out with no sense of integrity and responsibility. And that's really, we gotta be responsible for our words and what we put out there.
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Alex Ferrari
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Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
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James Van Praagh
And I think again, extremism is not good. I think everybody should have. I, I just get kind of tired of the woke thing and like we got to do this and this and politically correct. It's like, let's just treat each other as human beings because it's like that's what it's about. You know, don't section people off. We're all together. Don't section people.
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Alex Ferrari
I agree with you 100 James. I, I think too that this whole social media phenomenon, you know, I was there at, when Facebook was still just barely. I was there with MySpace for God's sakes.
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James Van Praagh
Are you kidding? I was a dial.
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Alex Ferrari
Well, I mean, I mean, yeah, AOL, CompuServe and Earthlink, all that kind of stuff. Prodigy, but. Wow. Yeah, I know, right? I'm going right back. But, but specifically when social media started coming in with MySpace and, and Twitter and Facebook and all these kind of things, the, the need for this attention I do think is coming. And it's continuously, it's been growing but I think people are starting to burn out. I think this generation that's going through this will have, I think by the time they're my age and your age, I don't think the influencers of today, the 20 year old today in 40 years is going to be still like chasing the influencer bandwagon when they're 60, it'll change. And I think that generation is, I think humanity needs to go through this because it's all ego. It's ego, it's ego, it's fear. It's like I want to be validated. It's all fear based. It's all. But we need to kind of go through all of this in order to go away from it. And I'll point out something that's, I think people don't really realize is that we are probably in the biggest peacetime of humanity truly that we've been in the last 5,000 to 7,000 years. I know it's hard for a lot of people see it because if you just watch the news, the world's coming to an end. But that's not the truth. The truth is there's a lot more good, a lot more good things happening. You know, people are fed more, people are drinking more. There is, there is less violence per capita in the world than there was a hundred years ago. You know, I remember the, if you just stick here in the US Wild, wild west, people just walk around shooting people for no reason. Like, you know, in the Roman times, people would just slice you up, you know, like in England, in English, you Know, the. Not the joust, but that's another one. But dual paint, the guns at dawn, you know, and the duel and all that kind of stuff. These things were common practice. Where now we look at them like, that's barbaric. Burning witches at the stake. What?
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James Van Praagh
Yeah.
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Alex Ferrari
So we are.
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James Van Praagh
It's interesting, Alex, because I'm thinking of a spiritual point of view, from a soul's point of view, if you will.
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Alex Ferrari
Yeah.
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James Van Praagh
And going through these things in the past, what, 25 years, I guess would be your 20 years. And this whole social media and this outcrying and this influence, I often wonder if it's them wanting to be seen, wanting to be acknowledged. And I think there's greatness with their awareness. When there's an awareness out there, it's great. But again, there's a responsibility. And if it could be used in a way where that awareness is that again, we're connected, that our words mean something. You know, thoughts are things. And from an energetic point of view, clairvoyantly, I will see people's thoughts when they throw a thought. Remember, thoughts are like bullets. It goes to the target. When you're thinking of someone, you're thinking with that thought, it goes right to them. Whether that's worry energy, love energy, fear energy. And I think a lot of people, what I would like to do, and I'm sure you're with me here, is open them up to the awareness that you're responsible for your thoughts, your words, your deeds. You're responsible for each other in this little environment of yours, your friends and the world. And what you put out there, into the world, stays out there. My favorite. A favorite person I've known for a long time who watched her show, Judge Judy, and one of the things she used to say in the beginning of the show is, you know that Internet thing, you put stuff out there and it's gone forever. It's there forever. And it's really true. And I wish people would have a sense of more responsibility when they say things or do things, because it's really. You're responsible for that energy going out to the universe. Not only to the person, but the universe. And I remember when I did the show the Ghost Whisperer, and it was. I had to educate people, CBS and people, the production company, because I said, you know, they wanted to have the show opening. Very scary and fearful, which I get that. Get everybody into the show. And that was fun. Lo and Jennifer, love you as cleavage. Okay, I get that. Want the truck drivers. Okay, fine. But the truck drivers and we got them, we got the demo. I was like, wow, that really was really a thing. And it ended up being the number one show on Friday nights for five years. But I remember going, then I had a little bit of arguments or disagreements or. And I'd educate them by saying, you know, I'm okay with opening the show with the fear because, you know, you're putting this thing out there. And I have a degree in broadcasting, by the way, so I Remember reading Marshall McLuhan and all of that. And I said to them, listen, what you put out. And whether it's movies, television, computer shows, whatever, podcast, there's a responsibility. Because when you're putting that fear energy out there, that's going to stay out in the atmosphere. It's going to go out there. And I said, I will do the show, but the show must end on a loving energy, a healing and loving energy. That is what you want to leave your audience with in the universe. You do not want to leave them with fear out there because it's a real thing. And I think that people out there, all these souls, all of us pick up on those sprinkles of fear or love. And I think that some of that gets in us and we start living in that fear energy. And that's when maybe some conflicts start or we're more apt to be in those conflicts or fear world limitations. So there's something to that. There's got to be a responsibility for what's going out into the universe.
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Alex Ferrari
Well, I do believe that people who are putting stuff out like that today, in 10 or 15 or 20 years, they're going to look back and go, oh, my God. Because I don't know about you, James. When I was 20, I was not perfect. When I was a teenager, I was not perfect. And I get on my knees and pray to God every day and say thank you for there not being any social media out at the time that I was being, I was in high school or I was in college because, you know, your 20s and your late teens and your early 20s and your four times even into your 30s, you're a knucklehead and you do knucklehead stuff. And now that knucklehead isms are being broadcast and they live out that you can't really pull them off anymore for this new generation. So I think that is the lesson that it will take time to learn for people moving forward. But it is going to be something that is going to bite. It's already bitten people in the back. If he thinks that A tweet from 10 years ago gets them canceled or get them thrown off of a job or something like that when they were maybe younger. It's already starting to happen and people are starting to become more aware of it, I think.
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James Van Praagh
I hope so. I've been lately noticing someone on the Internet, on Netflix, some organizations of people that are using some of the spirituality, sensing of, you know, knowledge or wisdom take a little bit of power and they get an ego involved and they start doing things irresponsibly and start it.
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Alex Ferrari
No, that's not possible. Really. People using in the spiritual space have ego. Come on, James, stop it.
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James Van Praagh
Yeah, it's. It's very interesting to watch because I think many of them want a spiritual bypass. They want to be spiritual, but they don't want to do. A lot of people don't want to do the work. They got to just get the spiritual bypass and get there. And they don't want to do the process. They don't want to live with it. They don't know who they are. They got to know who they are first. And I always feel like that, what good are you if you don't know who you are? How can you be, I don't know, authentic if you don't have the sense of who you are as a human, as a soul, and how you interact with humans, other humans, instead of just doing this, oh, no, spiritual bypass thing. Oh, I'm a guru or whatever. It's just so weird to me because people don't want to do the work.
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Alex Ferrari
It's not weird to me at all because both you and I come from Hollywood, have experience there. So I. I understand that. Like, I want to.
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James Van Praagh
We.
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Alex Ferrari
Hollywood is a place where you live with the mask on and you can't. You can't live without that mask. And people want to throw that mask on because they see power, they see prestige. So they want to be a yogi, but they really don't want to do the work. Or they want to be a spiritual master, but they really don't want to do the work. It's kind of like we all, you know, I would like to have Brad Pitt's six pack and eat in and out every day, but that's just not the way the world works. You know, you have to work at your physical body, your mental state, your spiritual state. It takes works. It takes years. There's a reason why these masters in India, these gurus and these ascended masters and masters who are walking the earth today, they decades working on. Decades and decades working on this to the point where they can elevate their energy, their vibration, their frequency to such a level that people are like, but I want that. I'm like, yeah, we'll get in line. It's not going to happen overnight. You're not going to just be born a prodigy. That's not a thing. Even, even people like Yogananda who were quote, unquote born into, they were kind of a spiritual prodigy. No question. He had decades of work on him to the point where he went, when he went to his guru Yukteswa, it took him nine years at the ashram. Just, just, just brushing the floor, sweeping the floor. And he's like, man, he just destroyed. He needed to break the ego down. Break the ego down. Break the ego down. It took him that long to finally break the E. Because when you come in and you're Michael Jordan of spirituality, you need someone who's a little bit bigger than you to come down and go, calm down there. Yeah, you can make a three pointer, but do it this way. So it's, it's, it's fascinating. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
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Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
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James Van Praagh
Yeah, it's interesting watching. It's just so interesting. For me, it's always been the, I've always lived by the golden rule. Treat others you want to be treated. And again, what I'm putting out to someone else, because that's real stuff. And I always go based upon my work that I've done that. You know, when we pass over, there's a life review and we all have this life review where we see our whole experience of our lifetime in a flashes and we see those most incredible experiences where we did something or said something onto the other person and we experience it from their point of view. 10 times, 20 times, 30 times stronger. So I always think, wow, if people knew that, they'd be much more responsible for the way they act with people and say things to people. Because gosh, when you pass over in the spirit world, there's no time and all you have are those memories or those experiences and you have to live them over and over again. And you know, on this earth world, it's really hard. We say something to someone, oh, said that. But you can go back and say, I'm sorry. But imagine when there's no time and you don't have that connection with the physical and you relive those mental things over and over again in your head. And I wish people in the world would get that, that sense of responsibility. So if they knew that maybe they would act differently, maybe they'd act more responsible.
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Alex Ferrari
Well, there's no question, there's no question. I think if the conflicts around the world, if the people in those conflicts understood some of these spiritual ideas and concepts that we're talking about, even the.
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James Van Praagh
Beliefs of gods, the religions, there's a higher force, whatever we name, want to put on that. I mean that sometimes we're fighting for that. We got to believe in that higher force. So we all are. That, that energy. So it's a slap in the, that force.
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Alex Ferrari
But it's, but James, it's this, it's this thing about my God is better than your God. My God is the only way, you know, it's a fear based God. That's why I always joke around. I'm like, yeah, you remember the yogi crusades when the yogis went across Europe saying you must believe in Buddha or in, in Krishna. Like that didn't happen. That wasn't a thing.
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James Van Praagh
That's right, that's right.
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Alex Ferrari
For everybody listening, there was no yoga crusades. I just want you to know that it didn't happen. So, so Christian crusade. Of course, there, there, there was a, I think there, I heard there was one of those. I heard there was a couple.
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James Van Praagh
I think we were probably in that. Yeah, yeah.
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Alex Ferrari
And then I think, and, and Jesus, I think on, on the, on the mount, he said, please, everybody kill in my name. But it just didn't, it didn't make any sense. Now, one question I get asked all about, and I think this kind of leads into what we've been talking about with these conflicts is because there are a lot of innocence in these conflicts happening right now and conflicts around the world and even the mass violence that is happening here in the States, you know, there's so much of that going on. There's innocence. The question I ask is, why do bad things happen to good people?
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James Van Praagh
Well, good question, and I can only say what I know is that souls are aware of what's going to happen before the incarnation. So there are souls that know what their lifetime is going to be involved with. And there might be some, you know, I think, and I won't know this till I pass over, but I do think there are souls, groups of souls, and there are many, many souls. And sometimes they will come into a lifetime and which we call them sacrifice themselves, or it might be advanced souls who go through that. I was watching the babies in the Gaza thing, those poor babies out of the. That couldn't get the help, and it was like, well, what happened to those souls? And I just got the sense again that they've chosen this way, that things that happen in accident, there are no accidents. I think it's all divine involvement. And I think that from our point of view of the human level, we can't understand all of it. But I really do believe that there are certain groups of souls that come into, if we want to, say, sacrifice, put them out there. And they are innocents per se, but they also, I think sometimes are very spiritually evolved, human evolved beings. I think World War II, a lot of the World War II people that were called victims, but I think they were very wise advanced souls. Many advanced souls take on the hard lessons. Many, many advanced. The hardest lessons we have for us are usually reserved for the advanced souls, postgraduate souls, and those take on those conflicts. Those take on. They work with the human conflicts and they will, many times, if you will, sacrifice yourself. I don't know, it's, you know, when you realize there's no death and you pass over the side and you want to bring. You have to do something to bring attention to the human growth, if you will. Sometimes we do that. So I don't know what. Yeah, you can say innocence in one respect, but also I think sometimes they're more advanced souls than we are.
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Alex Ferrari
I Use innocence from the point of view of the human.
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James Van Praagh
Yeah, that's right.
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Alex Ferrari
Human. From the physical point of view, you know, it's horrifying, but on a spiritual point of view, it's difficult and, and people listening who have had things happen to them or had people's happen to their loved ones. Look, you and I could be very spiritually enlightened, James, but if something happens to somebody we love, it's gonna hurt.
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James Van Praagh
It's a human experience. Yeah.
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Alex Ferrari
And we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna feel it and we're gonna, and we're gonna get angry and we're gonna, and, and we're gonna be tested and we're gonna be pushed in many, many ways. There's no.
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James Van Praagh
Tested. No, it's a good word. Tested. Yes, we're always tested and that's exactly right. I agree with you. It's. We have to feel, we've chose to come back and feel these things and integration of the emotional, mental, spiritual, physical. Here is the, this is the playground. This is the place we're going to feel the human aspects. And that is a real part of us. And we got to honor that without, without question.
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Alex Ferrari
Now there is something that's also happening from the conflicts that are happening overseas here in the States and I think also in Europe as well, is that there seems to be an amping up of hate and division going on. What advice do you have for individuals or guidance to how can we overcome this amping up of hate and division? Again, it's bringing this stuff out of the muck. Again, we're bringing all this stuff out again. Again, a song that we've heard before, Hate and Division. I mean, it's not a new song here, it's an old song, but it's being amped up again for us to kind of just go enough. I think it's enough's enough. This is ridiculous.
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James Van Praagh
Yeah. What do you think? It's that sense of separativeness, you know, there was separate. Again, I repeat that the two biggest solutions we have in this three dimensional world, one is death. There is no such thing as death. And the others that were separate from one another, but we're not. But it's so interesting, as we just mentioned, is we have to be separate because we have our own. My God is better than your God and all the separativeness which shouldn't be. And I think people have to look into what do you want to call their enemies or foes, whatever, and see the commonality. I think that God, in its wondrous way, has enlightened every single soul on this earth. And I think every single soul is unique, and they have that. It's that diversity. It's that difference. I think that God shows up in the differences, and I think we have to honor the differences in that person's makeup. You know, maybe not, you know, agree with everything, but we honor their point of view or their way of looking at things. There can't be just one way. There's got to be multiple ways of. Of looking at all these different souls who have different beliefs. We've got to honor all that. One isn't better than the other one. It's just who they are. But if we can find that God energy, that creative energy in every single person, that beautiful being in each person, that God light in each person, maybe we can behave a little differently and respect that. It's that saying of the ego going back to the ego. The ego is so important. I got to own this. I got to control this. Nothing to do with that. We're really a oneness. We're not separate. We're one. So we got to find that oneness. And one is O N E omnipresent nurturing energy. That's what love to me is. Love is one. Omnipresent, nurturing energy.
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Alex Ferrari
That's beautiful.
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James Van Praagh
That's beautiful. Yeah. I've always said that love is one.
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Alex Ferrari
This. These older religions who are saying that we are the only way, which on a marketing standpoint, makes all the sense in the world. I mean, no, I mean, in all seriousness, like, if you said, hey, you know, we're one of many, you could choose this one, you could choose the other one. In the olden times, you couldn't do anything like that. I needed to control the large groups. I needed to. You're the only one that the group over there, they're going to. They're going to rape and pillage, where the way they're the infidels, all that kind of stuff. And all of all these major older religions. I think that that's one of the reasons why a lot of these religions are losing followers by the millions every year because it's just. It doesn't ring true anymore. And they're still stuck to that old narrative, that old song, that old story. And we're like, that does.
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James Van Praagh
It makes mindset, right?
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Alex Ferrari
The old mindset.
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James Van Praagh
And something really interesting to point out, Alex, is as I've watched this Lesson, I'm a YouTuber. I go not. I do YouTube. I watch television. YouTube because it has everything I want as watching is fascinating. The 50 top Christian people, you know, the Christian ministers and all that. And it's very interesting because as I watch this, I'm like, okay. And people are really into that and that's fine. But I often want to say it's always that sense of the God power. We don't take responsibility. We blame it on a religion or a God. You have to act this way because God will bring us to hell or God will this. It's like, no, no, no, no. Don't put it. You need to take responsibility for your own actions, your own thoughts and you'll make. You are God. Don't put God in something else. And you know, it's just, it's just so weird that people just get away from who they are and they put this religion, which is this. I don't know. I don't personally believe in God and clouds and all that. I don't get that. I think we're all that wonderful force. But I see over and over again people are trying to. Jesus comes to me and God this and God, it's like, wait a minute, let's just take responsibility for ourselves. Don't place it onto a religion. Because then I think we get misguided.
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Alex Ferrari
Right. And then again, a lot of these older, these older philosophies or religions are based on fear. They're fear based.
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James Van Praagh
Yeah. And I also think that a lot of people wanted to be a part of a community in the those early days. They part of that community feel so religion does and it still does that religions, absolutely.
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Alex Ferrari
And the thing is too, and I'm not bashing all religion now because there are good things, like you say community, you know, helping people. There are good elements to all of that. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
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Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show. But when you start believing that you're better than another group or that if I don't do this, this will happen to me, kind of, you know, the hell thing. I was taught hell when I was in first grade in Catholic school. Are you kidding me? I was, I was terrified. I came home crying. I'm like, oh, I gotta like, it was insane. But those ideas, it's so funny. My, my kids laugh. They're like, hell, it makes no sense whatsoever about limbo.
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James Van Praagh
Remember that one, Limbo.
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Alex Ferrari
Oh, don't forget purgatory. Yes, of course. Purgatory.
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James Van Praagh
Purgatory, yeah, there you go.
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Alex Ferrari
Yes. Can't forget, can't forget purgatory.
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James Van Praagh
It's so interesting because again, going back to people taking the responsibility for themselves instead of a spiritual bypass and blame it all on the religion and following that way. And it's just, I think it's just taking responsibility for our own selves. And I think, you know, when people ask me about religion, I say, well, every religion has a bit of the truth, but not any one religion has all the truth. So I think people say, what is your religion? I said, my religion is love. It's that one. It's recognizing God, that force, whatever that might be, if you want to call it, in each person. But no one should own God. No one owns God. People are God. So again, going to say if people would see the God light in each person and have respect for who they are, where they're at. And it's really interesting because I think many people go into judgment and judgment to me is fear based because I judge another because I want to feel better, then, so I put them down, then I'll be in control or I'll feel better. I think that's a lot of what that is. Judgment, judgment, total fear based. And fear is an emotion of the human. It's not of the spirit, it's of the human world. Fear doesn't exist in the spiritual world. It's just this, you know, F E A R false ego appearing Real. It has to do with us, humanness, not. Not the spirit.
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Alex Ferrari
It's interesting. I was talking to a former Baptist the other day and we were. When we were on the show and he's like, yeah, you know. You know, when I was Baptist, I felt bad for you Catholics because you guys were all going to hell. And I'm like, wow. Yeah, I'm like, wow. I'm like. And you know what? We did too. We said all those poor Baptists or, you know, or Mormons or whatever other sect of Christianity there is. There's a thousand of them. Oh, you poor people. You just don't understand. Like it's, it's such a ego place to be. You need to feel like you're superior to others in order to. To be able to just walk the earth. And it's, it's such a. And that I think is one of the key causes of all of this conflict that we're seeing in the world is I must. I'm so scared inside of not being enough or of what other people will think or of the comm. It's almost. It's so primal. It's such a primal thing because again, number one thing people fear most is talking in public. Why? Because you feel you're going to be ridiculed and thrown out of the tribe. And if you thrown out of the tribe, the lions will eat you because you're not part of the tribe anymore. And that's. But that's where that all that comes from, right? So a lot of these fears are still based in these really primal, low energy, low level ideas. It's a very archaic ideas when you start to evolve yourself and open yourself up to these higher ideas. You know, the other day there was a problem I had in my life where something came in to challenge me and that. And I processed it and within 30 minutes it was gone. And it's been getting shorter and shorter. Before it would take, you know, days, sometimes it would ruin a month, sometimes I would hold onto it, sometimes I would just simmer in it. And now it's kind of like, okay, that's not serving me anymore. I forgive and I will adjust.
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James Van Praagh
So great way Alex, with that. Which as you're saying, that reminds me, and I've been doing this and it really helped. Two things. Number one, observation, stepping back and observing. Don't have a knee jerk reaction when something happens. When someone does something or something happens. Like you don't pulled into that phonetic energy and have a knee jerk reaction. But you want to step back and be Objective. And it's like watching a show, you know, on a stage that's playing out and I'm not gonna get involved in that. I can be the audience member and I'm gonna watch what's going on. It's not gonna affect me. And the other thing, when people have these, a lot of us, for us every day, have situations, difficult situations, whether it's emotional, health wise, you know, we've gone through a lot of stuff. Whatever it is, I often say when things come into my life, these experiences, like not happy or whatever, it might be opportunities, instead of judging them as good or bad, it's an opportunity to understand myself more, believe in faith, whatever. I need to do something, believe in myself. I think there are always opportunities. When someone says, this happened to me, well, step back. What opportunity? What lesson? Because we're here learning lessons. Remember, we're in school and we have different lessons every day. And every day I mentioned in the first broadcast we did together, every day on our path, there are teachers and there are students, and that's the exciting part. So as we go each day, wow, who's going to teach me something today? Who am I going to teach myself today? So it's really opportunities that come to us. And if we could be again repeating this back from the first show because you can't hear it enough, it's living in the moment. The past has already happened. The future is yet to be. So really be fully involved in this moment now. And that's the true way to live. Live the fullness of each moment. And I think that's how we should live our lives.
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Alex Ferrari
Yeah. And it's, it's this, this, this event that happened to me when I kind of pulled back, I said, I again, we're not perfect. We're not all, we're not, we're all learning. It takes it. But I've noticed that it was a few hours. Like recently was like maybe a few hours before. It was days or weeks or months sometimes. Now it's gotten to a few hours. Now I was done in like 15 to 20 minutes. It was back, it was gone. But I stopped and I said to myself, what is the lesson here?
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James Van Praagh
Right?
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Alex Ferrari
What am I, what am I supposed to learn from this? Because this is happening for me, not to me. So.
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James Van Praagh
That's right. So what a great way of putting it. Yeah.
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Alex Ferrari
So what is, what is, what am I supposed to learn here? And you start rattling your head and sometimes you might come up with an answer, but many times you just won't know until Maybe six months down the line, A year down the line, five years down the line, go. Oh, that's what that was. What? The thing. But at least you're being aware that this is a lesson. What? All of it. All of it. From people. Someone cutting off. Cutting you off in traffic. How did you deal with that? How did you react to that? Again, no one's perfect. Someone cut me off the other day and I said something, my wife, like, what? I'm like, sorry, you know, they pull.
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James Van Praagh
You down or bring you up, you know, I mean, well, that.
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Alex Ferrari
That guy pulled me up. Then I jumped back up. I elevated again, James. But. But for a second, I just went back down. Not in a different. It was weird, though, because before it would be cursing and yelling and before we chasing them and. And trying to flick them off and all that was with the young version of me when I was in my 20s. You were just the. How dare you. My ego now, it was just like I was angry because he was putting other people at risk. That was the. That was the difference of a. Of what was happening. It wasn't me. I didn't care that he cut me off, but I saw how reckless he was being. I'm like, you're going to kill somebody. You're going to hurt somebody. Why are you being such an idiot? That was. That was where I came from. So I even noticed that in my perception, I got angry, but I got angry for the right reason.
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James Van Praagh
I guess you saw the. And you saw the bigger picture, which is really important when these things happen to us. See the bigger picture. See this as opportunities in the bigger picture. And, you know, it also helps. Alex, with our mindset. What is our mindset? How do we change? Like, again, we just talked about, you know, when you have these situations, there are opportunities to grow, there are lessons. So when you change that mindset and you see and get away from the judgment, because judgment's fear, basically. Okay? And you can see people being in fear. You can see people in judgment, but you don't have to be in that. You can be aware of it, but not be of it, you know, and again, we're put in positions to teach others or to learn from. And some of it's the same thing. And it really might get down to, you know, some severe lessons we're going to learn there, going to push us to our maximum. You know, it does. I was once at a parking lot. I had my loving dog in the car, and it was. I had an automatic air conditioner. It stays on the engine but, you know, you can't hear it. And I remember I was coming out of the store and I watched this lady next to my truck, and she's, like, looking and with her phone. And she looks at me, and I'm talking on the phone in front of the store, and I'm telling. I'm thinking, something's going on with this lady. So I walked up to her and I said. She said, oh, did you just. The engine started because it starts every five minutes or something. She said, oh, did you just put that on because you saw me standing in the truck next to your dog? And I said, excuse me? She goes, your dog is in this truck? I said, yes, I know there's air conditioning on it. You don't hear it. It's a hybrid, you know. She goes, huh? I'm concerned about your dog. And I said, okay. And I thought, I can get really, really angry and pissed off or I can be kind. I did get a little pissed off because it was my dog, my child. But I said to the lady, I said, number one, you could have come over to me. If you're concerned and you saw me sitting there, why didn't you walk over to me and talk to me instead of acting all in power? You shouldn't have done that. That wasn't the right way you handled these situations. Do you think I'd really hurt an animal? And maybe you did, but it's worth that extra step to come back and say, excuse me, sir. Is that your judgment? So we have to do that. People rush into judgment right away, and they gotta stop and take a few deep breaths. And what's the story here? What's really going on?
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Alex Ferrari
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Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
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James Van Praagh
I think, and we, I think we got to remind people of that and we're given those situations in our life, maybe to remind people to stop, take a breath and let's see, instead of reacting because everything says reacting reactionary these days, just stop, take a breath and see the fullness of that picture.
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Alex Ferrari
Yeah. Pull out the phone. Let's record the situation so we can get clicks, so we can get validation. Yeah, it's, it's, you know, it's, it's, it's insane. Now we've been talking a lot of, about, you know, things happen for us and not to us and this kind of thing and that.
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James Van Praagh
Yeah.
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Alex Ferrari
And that is wonderfully to be said in a philosophical standpoint. Now both you and I have had things happen to us in our lives. We all have. If you're living and walking the earth, you're going to have issues, you're going to have conflict, you're going to have trauma, you're going to have. It's just part of this experience.
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James Van Praagh
Yeah, Earth school.
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Alex Ferrari
Exactly. So what advice would you have for somebody who is in the midst of a loss, in the midst of witnessing violence, in the midst of not understanding why I lost this loved one in the way I did, or why this is happening to my community or why this is happening to my town or things like that.
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James Van Praagh
Okay, so a couple of things. So loved one, losing a loved one, number one, again, it's your perspective. Perspective that you have. So again, going back to the origin that we are souls having human experience and that love will never die, that you don't lose your loved ones. They are there with you. It's a human experience. And when you lose someone, it's one of the hardest things. Of course, as human experiences, losing a loved one, losing a child, a partner, an animal, it's really hard for us to go through that. That's how we grow here. And again, I think I don't know the answer to that. I just know that's our soul's growth going through those things. I think when we recognize things are happening to our community and our town, our countries, it's really an opportunity for us to try to find the compassion, try to find the compassion within the situation. And how can we help to heal? Whether it's through prayer, whether it's through kindness, acts of kindness and a little bit of, you know, not a little micro world, like I said earlier, because the macro world is going to. It'll be affected by the micro world. So we got, what good are we worrying about those places if we don't take care of our own house, we don't take care of our own stuff going on within us and around us. I mean, what good are we if we don't take care of that first? So we have to have compassion in all of our lives and see that again going back to that God person, that God light in everyone and understanding again, getting away from judgment and fear. But that's the way it is. Having compassion remind people who they are, that they are God, they're the source, that God is not outside them. God is within. And I think on this whole path here, if one can learn to know who they are. And I know with all my students in my school, I say, you know, the number one thing is in life too is know who you are. To thy own self be true. My grandmother taught me that when I was a little kid. Shakespeare quote of to thy own self be true. And it's really amazing. I was watching also an interview last night with Dolly Parton and she was talking to Nora Dunn about that God. She goes, I've always had that sense of myself. And Nora Dunn said, you know, so successful in many ways. She goes, I'm just myself. And she goes, one of the gifts I had from very early on, and I relate to this too, is I knew who I was. I knew who I was. And I think that's really the secret here is everyone should know who they are and honor who they are. And you don't have to be anybody else. What other people think of you is none of your business. That's their energy, not yours. But one knows themselves and believes in themselves and realizes they are this beautiful light here and that's who they are. I don't want to be someone else. I want to be me. You know, I want to bring this particle of God to the world. My own particles of who I am. And I think people look out when people start looking outside themselves. They get into trouble because it won't fit into who they are. And they're asking stuff that's impossible. You gotta know who you are and live that greatness of who you are and never Be judged by others. Don't let others. Don't let others take your power away. You know, that's not right. We have to empower ourselves and we've got to take the opportunity to do that. And many times there are diverse and hard situations in our family lives, everyday lives that push us to the brink. And they will, these obstacles will push us to understanding ourselves better, having a different relationship with ourselves, a relationship with people around us in our workspace. So it forces us, some of those really adverse experiences in our lives really help us the most.
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Alex Ferrari
James, let me ask you though, and I know you've been angry in your life and I've been angry in my life, and there's, I mean, all of us have gone through that. When you're in the midst of that anger, it. When you are in the. The perval crap of anger, it is so difficult to not just see white or not just see the anger or the resentment that you or whatever the other emotions are. You are just in it. What advice can you say for somebody who to just stop for a second and not do that near jerk reaction, or to just be in this constant state of anger against a group of people or against a specific person or against a government or against X, X, you know, a Y or Z, whatever that thing is, you know, a dog, a tree, whatever that thing is that you're so angry about. Now, it's not just the initial area, but these people who are constantly angry about these things. How can. What advice do you have for anybody who wants to get out of that?
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James Van Praagh
It's a big question, so simple answer. I can only do it based upon my life experience and really for me, what has worked. And I don't get angry like I used to because I think that hopefully we come back here to evolve. I think our souls come back to go through these lessons, to learn something from them. So we evolve and expand. And I've now, I feel like in my 60s now, I've gotten to a point where I don't get angry and really much. I really don't. I get to a point of I don't understand and I don't. I don't understand conflict. I don't understand hate, I don't understand it. I see it's happening and it's real, it's there. But I don't get it. Because for me, I see the bigger picture. I see the possibilities, I see the potential. And I think what people could just again, going back to that relationship with themselves. And I've taught a lot of this, about sitting in the stillness of your being, sitting in that quiet space, taking a break, taking a breath. 20 minutes a day, 15 minutes a day, stop and connect with yourself. Stop and connect with your soul self. Connect with your heart, not with your head. So many people are in their heads, in their heads and their heads judging and conflicting and all these different things going on. There's so much phonetic energy out there, and it's going to feed the head, right? We got to go to the heart. So it's go to the heart of the matter. So I just go, you know, when something, a conflict comes up or situation, I say, okay, what's going on here? Like I just mentioned, to see the whole scene being very objective. And I'm saying, what? That soul's learning from that and how can I behave? How can I make this better? Sometimes in life, you know, you gotta. And it's really hard. There are people that you love in your life and they gotta go through some stuff. They gotta go through some shit. And you can't do anything because you can. It's part of their journey. You know, you can help it to a point, but then they have to go forward, right? And that's really hard for us. We love people. So I think we have to live by example. And I think we have to, again, honor them where they're at. I think also, Alex, when one begins to have an awareness of the objectivity of a situation and who they're dealing with, I think people, once they know themselves and they honor who they are, then there's a sense of boundary work. They have to have boundaries. They got to instill boundaries. Whether it's in their families or their married partner's life, their friends and work life, there's got to be boundaries. And when people walk over people's boundaries just at the basic level, that's bad because they're putting their stuff onto somebody else. And when we allow that to happen, that's not good, because they take our power away. So it's the same thing, if you will. And the conflicts in the world taking power, where you're having no boundaries. So we've got to insist on boundaries. That's really what's going on here. Realistic boundaries, too. When we talk about countries and so forth, there's got to be realistic boundaries and there's got to be an honor. You know, we're in a community here. This whole world community, it's one world. And we gotta again, honor and respect people's boundaries or country's boundaries. And, you know, not try to get over on each other.
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Alex Ferrari
Well, with all the stuff that is going on in the world, James, how can we foster compassion and understanding in the times of war, in the times of violence, of needless violence, either on an individual level or on a group level, how can we foster that compassion and understanding at these times?
- [57:19]
James Van Praagh
I think that, you know, there are opportunities every day with that, with wars or people in conflict, there are opportunities to act, whether it's in compassionate ways, in kind ways, humanitarian ways. Just find the humanitarian. Each person, again, find that. You know, I live by the golden rule and it's like, how would you treat somebody? And that's really what I think. People have to get back to that origin of this is my family, everyone, even though I speak a different language, it doesn't matter. We're all the same. So how can I honor that person? How can I honor them? And again, it goes with everything we've talked about as far as fear and love. Life is a series of choices based upon love or fear. And again, if you can find that love within that person and maybe you can help them and teach them, enlighten them to ways of behaving, to ways of looking at something in a different way to come back to a sense of who they are, I think that would help having that sense of who they are. And yeah, again, go back. Not the head, but the heart, you know, the heart of the matter.
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And now back to the show. Now, James, I, another question I get asked a lot, unfortunately you get a.
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James Van Praagh
Lot of questions asked to you, my friend.
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Alex Ferrari
We get, we're affecting millions of people.
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James Van Praagh
You're all over the world.
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Alex Ferrari
I know we get a lot of, of email.
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James Van Praagh
So you're helping people grow, Alex. It's all about growth.
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Alex Ferrari
I'm trying, I'm trying, I'm doing, I'm doing my part.
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James Van Praagh
You're doing.
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Alex Ferrari
But one, but one question I do get asked a bunch is about when people are at the end of the rope, when they believe that there is no out, when they feel like I have only one choice. And, and they, they're, they're asking for help because they just don't see the other side of the fence. They don't see, it's dark, it's really dark right now, but the sun is just about to pop out. They hang on just a little longer. But that, what advice do you have? What guidance do you have for these, these souls who are just at that.
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James Van Praagh
Deep place that I've been there. We've all, I think a lot of.
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Alex Ferrari
I think we, I think we've all been there at one point.
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James Van Praagh
I've been there. I mean there was a time where I just, and even with the awareness I have and it was like, again, it's a human thing, right? It's a human thing. And it was a dark place to go to. And I was like, why am I here? I shouldn't be here. It was like I had to be talked down off the tree because it's like, what good is it? But I know that was that human reaction, that was that knee jerk reaction that I had and I just had to stop and really quiet my mind because my mind was going crazy, right? So to stop, get back to my truth of who I really am and realize that, come on, this is a human experience we're going through here. You can't die. And it's, how are you going to deal with it? And it's an opportunity, it's a lesson. And okay, look at this. How am I going to deal with this sense of who I am, the situation going on with me, how am I going to handle it? And sometimes in the darkest moments you get the most illumination. You really do. It's sometimes go to the dark night of the soul to really open up and see things in a very, very different perspective. And it takes those dark nights of the soul to look at things in A very, a very deep way, a very different way. And I've had some trouble with. It's very funny some people in our lives, you know, we have different people in our lives. And I've been around a group of people and I didn't get what's going on. I don't know their beliefs or the way they did things or opinions. And I would be in my kitchen, my dishes, and I would often ask that. And I heard spirit once say, James, that's all they know. They don't know any better. Right, right. That's all they know. They don't know any better. So you gotta accept them for the level that they're at because they don't know any better. That's really true. When we put our own stuff onto other people, it's really not fair because they don't know as much. You know, they don't know. Maybe they're the second grade, not the postgraduate, whatever it might be. That's all they know about. And so it's hard for us. Why can we judge those people if they don't know any better? So why judge them? Them? You know, it's. And then we have unrealistic expectations of others and that's really an illusion because they don't know any better to do differently.
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Alex Ferrari
Well, you know, it's kind of like, you know, looking at a five year old who, you know, poops on the floor and you're like, what do you, what are you doing? Like, you can't get angry at these five. They don't know any better, they're learning better. They're learning, they're growing. So if you look at people sometimes with a child's childlike eye, meaning that you don't judge a three year old for throwing spaghetti across the room, you would judge a 30 year old for doing that. And if they're doing that, there, there better be a real decent reason. But there's an acceptance level for certain ages that there aren't. For others as we grow and continue to grow. I forgot the term is in sociology for that. But there are acceptable societal things. That's a five year old, he's screaming in the middle of an airplane, it's going to happen. But if a 40 year old, yeah, 40 year old, you can't have that.
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James Van Praagh
So if you address that, a child to say a five year old, that it's all they know about, then let's go to communities or certain countries or certain belief systems. That's all they know. They might not know about unconditional love. They might not know about compassion. They might not know that. And sometimes it takes those dark nights of soul, those conflicts to open them up. Say. And maybe it takes some horrific things to happen before they wake up and say, this isn't right. This isn't right for us. We gotta. So I think many times it's an evolution of a certain group. I really do. I think that we're these different countries and so forth. We all have our karma, we all have the levels that we're at. And I think we sometimes have to shake things up and look at it from a different point of view. And sometimes it takes some horrific things to happen before humans think, wait, this isn't working. This isn't. Now we want to change this up. And, you know, and in the Middle east, for God, it was like, it's amazing, but hopefully it'll rise up and it'll be a whole different. Which I think it will. I just think the humans. Humans are difficult. Humans are so difficult. It's just like.
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Alex Ferrari
Well, that's just that ego.
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James Van Praagh
The ego.
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Alex Ferrari
This is not an easy school, James.
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James Van Praagh
No, it's a very hard school. It's a very difficult school. And I've had some people come back, good friends of mine who passed over. One lady was Lady Violet. She's in my book Unfinished Business. Because we'd sit and have tea every afternoon and we talk about spiritual things. And she passed over and she's come back several times. And the first time she came back, she said to me, and she has a lovely voice, she goes, oh, James, why can't people just pat themselves on the back for having that human experience? It's a hard school. But they don't give themselves the credit for going through it. And it's true. We don't. You know, we always limit ourselves. We judge ourselves. Instead of saying, good job, you know, you're here, you're doing it. Not an easy pick in this school. It's a hard school. There are millions of schools, millions of galaxies. This is a hard one. There's a lot of the human stuff coming from different levels, different conflicts, different belief systems, you know, mind control, all that sort of thing. It has to force us to go within ourselves and have that relationship with our soul self. And I think there's great opportunities to do that.
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Alex Ferrari
Now, James, you and I touched upon this a little earlier today, that in the spiritual space that you and I live in, where there are spiritual masters, there are gurus.
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James Van Praagh
Spaces.
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Alex Ferrari
Spaces, Spaces, Yes.
- [66:09]
James Van Praagh
I like that better. Let's not limit it. Spaces.
- [66:12]
Alex Ferrari
Yes, spaces. Many spaces.
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James Van Praagh
Realms.
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Alex Ferrari
Realms, if you will. Yes, the spiritual realms that we live in. There are a lot of people who come out in the spiritual realm and speak about being spiritual masters, being a guru, being these kind of people. And there is. We were talking before the show started about a new documentary series that's on Netflix called Escaping the Twin Flames, if I'm not mistaken. Can we touch a little bit upon this concept of the ethics of people in this spiritual space and what people are doing and selling and. And controlling people and so on? Because I get stuff sent to me, hundreds of emails a day, people wanting to come on the show. And I'm being. My team and I are extremely selective now because we understand the. The power of the show and the responsibility of the show.
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James Van Praagh
The responsibility, because.
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Alex Ferrari
Yeah, it's. It's very. We're very cautious of that because if we put you on the show, you're gonna probably get a big wave of people coming towards you purely because you've been on the show. So I'm very cautious about that. Can you talk a little bit about that documentary which I haven't seen?
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James Van Praagh
And you know, Alex, also, it's got to be in alignment with what you're putting out to the world. You know, those people come on your show, there's got to be an alignment of there. You know what, your beliefs and their beliefs are similar. So this is a show that I guess someone might have pointed out to me, but I watch it. It's on Netflix, like I said, Escape from Twin Flames. And it's a guy in Michigan and his girlfriend. And he's taken some spiritual insights from many teachers, including myself, because there are things he said that I have in my school and different insights, but it's all that window dressing, it's all the buzzwords. And he's put himself in a space where. And he's a sociopath. No doubt about it. He's a sociopath. Could be part of psychopath. And it's really about. It's that ego, mind control, cultish type of thing. And he talks about having. He has enough buzzwords and for people that aren't unaware of it. And again, people that don't want to do a spiritual progression, but spiritual bypass, they'll get it right to the top. They look to other people for the guru thing. And he has fit right in there. And he's talks to himself being the second coming of Jesus, that he's very aware that he's evolved. And he said he could put, you know, twin Flames. I Don't know what twin flame is, by the way, that can match up the twin flames. And then he's talking about divine mastery, divine feminine, divine masculine. And he's literally have people saying, no, this is your twin flame, and you got to change your sex. So people are having operations to change their sex because of what he says, and he's the only one that can say it. So it goes to that cult type of thing. And it's, you know, a little bit of wisdom, a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. Like, because he's read some books, he has, you know, my cards in the back of his bookshelf. And other metaphysical physician, physical people, their cards, their oracle, cards, decks. But they destroy. They distort the information for their own power. It's that, again, the ego power. And in this way, he's a sociopath looking for vulnerable people to control. And that's really a horrible thing. And, you know, when you do this work, when you're in this spiritual work, as you and I are in the spiritual spaces, there is a sense of integrity and responsibility. And when I first started the development as a medium, the very first thing I learned was integrity and responsibility because you have people's lives in your hands. And it's very, very true. Any spiritual leader, if you will, has to have that sense of. You have a responsibility for people's lives and what you say influences them. And if there's someone who has an ego or a psychological issue, like sociopathic issues, that's pretty dangerous. And again, going back to people looking for leaders, they don't want to take the responsibility themselves. Look to other people for it. And if they speak those buzzwords, then they'll listen. And it's a shame because those people that he gets have no sense of who they are. They don't have that awareness of self looking for someone else to fulfill that. You know, listen, people want to put me on the guru, and I was like, no, no, no, no. I'm not a guru. I'm you. I mean, you know, more than I do. We're all the same. And it becomes more. It's weird. So it's a sense of integrity and responsibility. And it really hurts me when I see that hurting another, you know, human that way. Because it's.
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Alex Ferrari
It's.
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James Van Praagh
It's hurting them. It's. It's destroying lives.
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Alex Ferrari
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Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show. You know, I think, I think that people who watch this show and if they see guests on the show, always listen to yourself, listen to that inner voice. Does this person align with you? Because not everyone's going to like you, James. Not everyone's gonna like 100 and. And, and if what is resonating with.
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James Van Praagh
You because you're so funny, Alex. I say that all that same term, all the time. I, I said all my students, I said, you know, you can read as many books as you want or see as many people as you want. What resonates is truth with you. Take it. But it doesn't throw it out, even myself. I said, if what I say resonates, great. If not, then don't use it. I mean, we have to make that choice for ourselves. We have to, you know, we can't look to others for answers. We gotta find the answers within ourselves. And all the answers are within ourselves. We just take the time to listen and to hear that little voice within, you know, we'll be so much better off than listening to others.
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Alex Ferrari
But James, I just want to take a pill and kind of enlightened is that. Not exactly. I just want one pill. I'll take two if it takes two. Oh, I just want to be enlightened.
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James Van Praagh
You know, part of my work with my school with the mediums, you know, aspiring mediums. It's a six month course and I say you have to sit in development circle. And part of my developing as a medium was seven years of sitting in the quiet for seven years, every Tuesday night before I would even give one message out. And I find that it was the development part of my mediumship, and that was the most incredible. It's not getting to the point of giving messages. That's part of it. Right? But it really is the spiritual growth and that relationship with your own soul that you start having and the way you look at yourself in a different way in the world. It's that development part. It's that progression that's really the fun part of it, and the most enlightened and evolved part of it. The mediumship is later on. That's the end result. But it's really the development that is really important. I think all of us, every human, take the time to develop your sense of self, really, because that sense of self had that my soul. And I look at your life and go through life from that perspective of my soul. And I.
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Alex Ferrari
And, you know, it's funny, because people I talk to a lot of other podcasters who want me to come on their shows, and I'll talk to them, and they're like. They're like, man, how are you? You know, I just started my podcast. You have any advice? I'm like, do about 1500 episodes over the last eight years on multiple different topics and things, and you're gonna get better. But that. But people just want to just like, I just want to jump on YouTube and, you know, be Mr. Beast and have a hundred million. Like, that doesn't. It doesn't work that way. Even someone like Mr. Beast, who's the biggest YouTuber in the world, by the way, who's affecting a lot of people and helping a lot of people with his philanthropy and things like that, he's been at it for 15 years. He started when he was, like, 12. He's still in his mid-20s, for God's sakes. But he started so early on. But he worked, just kept pounding and pounding it. So in that space, you know, I'm using podcasting as example. Or someone looks like a Michael Phelps is like, oh, he's such a good swimmer. Do you know many thousands of hours he was in the pool in the same thing for spirituality.
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James Van Praagh
You know, how many strong foundation. There's got to be such a strong foundation.
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Alex Ferrari
You've got to just enjoy the journey. Enjoy the journey.
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James Van Praagh
Like your work. Like, you've worked really hard to get what you're at, and you're not Someone that just, and I'm not either, just throws stuff out there. There's a meaning behind it, there's an energy behind it, There's a consciousness behind what we do. It's not just getting as many followers as we possibly can. There's a consciousness, there's a. You're giving to people and that's a big difference because I know there's a lot of influencers or youtubers or whatever out there, just want to be famous and just want to get all these followers and influencers. Really, what good is that if you don't have the material, you don't have the content? You know, you have to have that strong sense of foundation and content, otherwise it means it's meaningless.
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Alex Ferrari
No, it's all, it's all ego based. And even, even, even, even people who, who talk to me, I'm like, I don't. I'm just, I'm just the conduit.
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James Van Praagh
Right.
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Alex Ferrari
That's all I look at myself as is a conduit. I am no leader. I'm nothing like that. I am the conduit. I've been pity because what's happening to this show, there's no way that I'm controlling it. Just like a lot of the things that happened in your career. There's absolutely no way you could have, no way hold the levers to make things happen. They just. Doors open, people showed up in your life things. So when you, when you kind of surrender to that energy.
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James Van Praagh
Yeah.
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Alex Ferrari
And you just go, okay, I'm, I'm not in control here. I gotta work. I gotta show up, I gotta do the work, but I'm not in the control of it. That liberates you a lot. You know, but it doesn't stop.
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James Van Praagh
Alex, also what you're saying, because, you know, we, you and I agree so much. It's like the same brain here. And I think also not only a vessel, but I think we're mirrors to other people. We are the mirrors reflecting. So we are mirrors to them. Some people say, oh, you've done this, it's so good. No, no, you have. I'm just a mirror to what you have. I just reflect your gifts yourself. I'm, you know, I'm just here to reflect what you are. I'm just a mirror. And I think that's what we do too. Not only investors, but we reflect the best and the possibilities, the potential of souls.
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Alex Ferrari
I would, I would agree with you 100%, my friend. So, so before we go, James, we've been talking quickly. Alex, I know Right. We could talk for hours and hours. You'll be back. Don't worry.
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James Van Praagh
You'll be back.
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Alex Ferrari
Yeah, it's great. So the. There is. We've been talking so much about these conflicts and about the things happening in the world and all this kind of stuff. Can you tell us a little bit about. From the other side, from what the other side is telling you, what's going to happen over the next few months, over the next six months, over the next year, Good, bad, or indifferent?
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James Van Praagh
Sure. So certain things are what we call hidden that they can only. They can't reveal everything that goes on. So I got to say, from that point of view, I do think that there's going to be major conflicts coming in now in November, December. I do think so. I think there's going to be World War Three. I really do. I don't think it'll be major, but I do think there'll be a term World War iii. I think that's going to happen. I do. I'm just going to not try and be an extremist. But. But it feels like there's a cleansing coming.
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Alex Ferrari
Something. Something's gonna happen.
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James Van Praagh
Something's gonna happen. I do sense also that the United States will be involved as far as in the country. So whether it's in la, Chicago, New York, something's gonna happen in one of these cities, it feels inevitable. You know, I just had a sense something's gonna happen with that. I just think it's gonna be a very different world. I think by February 24, it'll be a very different world than we know it. You know, when Covid came, that was a different world. World Trade center, that was a different world. Something along those lines, as far as that level is going to have to happen, because it's going to open everybody up. Yeah, I think it's going to. Yeah. But I also think when the great things happen for those sorts of conflicts, it's also great things for humans to show again, love and compassion and healing and changing the way they think, changing the way we think as a global presence. It'll. It'll force us to. And it'll force our way of thinking. It forces our. The paradigm that we're on. You know, it'll force us to change our ways of thinking. And I think that sometimes things have to happen for that to evolve. We have to evolve like that. Those things have to happen for us, evolve.
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Alex Ferrari
So, James, just like on the Ghost Whispers, we could start off with fear. I need to. I need to end with love, sir. So what, what it. What, what optimistic. What is going to happen towards the end of this, this next stage that we're going to go through? Because hopefully this is all for the better. It's going to be rough. It's always a rough ride.
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James Van Praagh
It's always the better. But we can't see it when we're in it. Right. So it's going to be better. I think there'll be a stronger sense of humanitarian connection. I think even social media is, you know, we can be connected to a country world in minutes we weren't before. So I think it'll be more of this connection with a global community than we've ever had before. And I think there'll be a lot more of a. I don't know, understanding of different ways. I think there's also. I don't know what this means, but I think there'll be a different way of government. I don't know what that means. Coming up with a new way of governing. Don't know what that means, but I think that'll be happening and I think there'll be more of the humanitarian awareness. I do believe that's going to happen. I really do. I just think there'll be change in borders, country borders, in some way. I'm not saying where, I don't know, but there's going to be that change. But I think there's going to be more of a connection, understanding one another. And I also think there's going to be change in religions. We're talking about religion. I think that's going to come into big changes. I really do. Because it's all about evolution. The soul's evolving. The soul group here, this earth has to evolve again. We don't go backwards. We evolve. So we look at that point, we will evolve, and I think there'll be more of an understanding. Years ago, we had a white and a black person. Oh, that was weird. Remember the circus? Oh, you couldn't have God for races. Oh, my God.
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Alex Ferrari
Yeah. Oh, my God.
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James Van Praagh
And now it's so different. And I think it's gonna be more of that diversification and more understanding. I think we're headed toward that. It takes some time. We're headed towards the oneness of everyone.
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Alex Ferrari
You want to hear a funny story? Is talking about the old ways. I was, when I was in Italy, going to different churches because I loved. I mean, you just walk around Italy and every little town has the most beautiful, ornate church you've ever seen. Everywhere. And there were some churches that you could not. My wife would be like having like, you know, like a, an armless shirt or shorts. And she would have to be wrapped in something to be able to walk in. And I'm sitting there going, what is, are we not in 2023? Like what is happening here? We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
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Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show. And. And it was just such an old kind of archaic. Yeah, but not even cultural. But just on the religious standpoint, you're like, you can't show a woman's shoulder. You can't show a woman's legs. Why? Because that could entice a man. Like, like really? Because there was other women in the room. It's not like it was a group of women. I mean, it was just so bizarre to me. And they would like hand out shawls or, or there would be people selling shawls there. Obviously it was just a fact. So this old.
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James Van Praagh
What about the burkas covering people's face? The women's.
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Alex Ferrari
Well, that I'm just in the Christian space and the Catholic space. Let's not even get into.
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James Van Praagh
I know.
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Alex Ferrari
I, I don't understand. That's a whole. But like you said, they, that's all they know.
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James Van Praagh
That's all they know.
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Alex Ferrari
That's all they know.
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James Van Praagh
I don't understand it.
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Alex Ferrari
And I think why this is why these conversations so valuable and so important and it is my, my goal and my mission to get them out to as many people in the world as possible and as many languages, as many cultures. Because once you start getting this kind of information into those areas that, that don't know any better. Not don't know any better, that they don't know anything else, it starts to at least plant seeds to like, make them think as.
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James Van Praagh
It causes them to think. Exactly. It causes them to stop and think, like, all this information might be brand new to them. Like, well, what are these guys talking about? There's gonna be something. Let me investigate this. Let's. Let's understand this. And I think it does. I think it plants those seeds. And that's what you can do. I can do with planting those seeds around the world and. And some people will get them and germinate and it'll be opening their whole lives up. And, you know, it's a. You know, Alex, I gotta tell you this. I'm just writing about this When I was first starting out and I was told I was gonna. I went to a medium when I was 20 something years old, and he said, oh, you're here. You're gonna change the consciousness of the planet. I'm like, what? He said, oh, yeah, you're gonna change the consciousness of the planet. And I said, I just want to be a sitcom writer. That's when I moved to la. But I gotta tell you something, it's happened and I didn't know how, but there's a bigger plan. And if I could have done that because I brought into the awareness of mediumship and spirituality in that realm of mediumship, it's opened up the world to that, whether it was through Larry King or other shows that I've done and other mediums have done. It's changed the consciousness, it's opened up the space. And that tells me that you, of course, you're doing the exact same thing. And I just want to say I honor your work because you do it with, again, the content, with the. The right ideas behind it. The love, the compassion, the teaching and the wisdom. And that's good. That's a good thing. So I think you'll do really, really well. I think, I think you'll do very well. I think I'll do a couple more shows too.
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Alex Ferrari
I appreciate that, James. Now, where can people find out more about you and the amazing work that you're doing?
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James Van Praagh
Sir, they can go on my website, van praag.com v a n p r a dash dot com. And also I have special A school which is a very involved, active school. Which have all different 45 different courses of all different subjects. And that's the JVP School of Mystical Arts. And that's I work with that daily so they can find me on there as well. And I still do evenings of spirit messages. And that's looking@vamprag.com they can find that, all that.
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Alex Ferrari
And do you have any parting messages for the audience?
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James Van Praagh
Yeah. Try to find God in everybody. When something comes up and there's a conflict and the curtain goes up, try to open up the curtain and try to find the good in the bad that you perceive as bad. Try to find the good. And that's the first step. First step. And think with your heart, not your head.
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Alex Ferrari
James, I appreciate you so much for coming back on the show. I look forward to our next conversation.
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James Van Praagh
Same here, my friend. Thank you, Alex. Appreciate it.
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Alex Ferrari
I want to thank James so much for coming on the show and sharing his knowledge and wisdom with all of us. If you want to get links to anything we spoke about in this episode, head over to the show notes at next levelsoul.com forward/37, 3. Now. If this conversation stirred something in you, there's more waiting. You can listen to this episode completely commercial free on Next Level, Soul TV's app where Soul meets streaming. Watch and listen on Apple iOS, Android, Apple TV, Roku, Android TV, Fire TV, LG and Samsung apps anytime, anywhere. Begin your Awakening at next LevelSoul TV. Thank you so much for listening. As I always say, trust the journey. It's there to teach you. I'll see you next time.
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