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BONUS MONDAYS: Vatican CHANGED/DELETED Jesus' TRUE Teachings! Ancient BEINGS Hold the TRUTH! with Melissa Tittl
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Melissa Tittl is a multifaceted creative force whose works span the realms of film, television, writing, and holistic wellness. With a diverse background that includes producing, directing, and writing, Melissa brings a unique blend of artistic vision...
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Next Level Soul Host
Welcome to Next Level Soul, the place where we deep dive into the mysteries of existence, uncover hidden layers of consciousness, and explore the journey of the soul. I'm your host Alex Ferrari, and every week we sit down with the world's leading spiritual teachers, mystics, scientists and truth seekers to illuminate the path towards awakening. Here we ask questions that truly matter.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
Why are we here? Where are we going?
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Next Level Soul Host
And how do we elevate our lives, our purpose, and our consciousness to the next level? This is a space for transformation, a space for expansion, a space to remember.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
Who you really are.
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Next Level Soul Host
So take a deep breath, open your mind, and prepare to step into your next level soul. Now, if you're ready to take your spiritual journey to the next level, explore Next Level Soul tv. Our streaming platform filled with exclusive movies, docs, original shows, transformative series, guided meditations, channeling sessions, audiobooks, and deep spiritual teachings you won't find anywhere else. New content drops every week, helping you expand your consciousness and live from your highest potential. Start your journey today at Next LevelSoul TV. The views, opinions and statements expressed by our guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect the beliefs or positions of Next Level Soul, its host, or any of the companies they represent. Now let's dive into today's episode.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
Like to welcome to the show Melissa Tittle. How you doing, Melissa?
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Melissa Tittle
Good, how are you? I'm so happy to be here.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
Oh, thank you so much for coming on the show. I'm excited to talk to you about your knowledge about ancient civilizations and your new movie code 12, which I'm excited to get into as well. But first of all, how did you get interested in this world of ancient civilizations and codes and simulation theory and all that kind of cool stuff?
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Melissa Tittle
You know, I've always been a weird kid, so I've always been like into sci fi, big tomboy, into comic books and you know, just like a weird kid, big imagination. As I got older, I chose my profession as a journalist, TV and film. There's a lot of obviously things going on in the world that I could have angled my career towards. But to me, I found that most of the answers that I was seeking to solve by doing journalism was mostly in the unknown. Because there you can really pontificate on how humanity should solve the problem by being in a place that doesn't necessarily put you in the exact war or the exact situation. It allows people to, to work through their problems. So what I found was, was that the idea of extraterrestrial interdimensional beings or ancient civilizations kind of unraveling these ancient mysteries and had more to do with solving our modern day problem than it did solving how old is this piece of rock? To me, it was like they have left behind such unique structures for us to really pontificate on the future of humanity. And even in stories that I've covered with aliens and that kind of thing, it's all part of that bigger picture of where are we going as a human race. And so I don't know, I just couldn't look back after I kind of started to look at things that way. I thought this is way more interesting. And I feel like I have more of an impact on people and how they're supposed to live their lives.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
You know, it's really interesting too because in many ways we've walked similar paths. Not as much journalism, but I've been in the film industry for so many years and storytelling and everything is. I started getting into ancient civilizations and sci fi and all these other kind of worlds. It was my, my interest was about not just the rocks, old rocks or old buildings, but how it was connected to everything as a grander story. Because some of these monuments, some of these stories, ancient text, all this stuff, you start digging deeper and deeper. It's just an endless hole, rabbit hole that you want to go down. It's just endless. It takes multiple lifetimes to go through all of this stuff. Would you agree?
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Melissa Tittle
Yeah. It probably takes multiple lifetimes of you living it for you to remember what it was that you were even teaching or absorbing or saw. We have, you know, Graham Hancock put it best, we are living in a state of amnesia at all times. And the reason we're still attracted to things like the Great Pyramid or the temples in Greece and Egypt and all over the world and the, and the ancient stories and the things that have been told over and over and over and over again is because we do know, know. But we can't convince ourselves that it's real, the things that they are saying, because we have programmed ourselves to not think it's real. For some reason we have decided to create our consciousness in a way that does not allow for expansion. And that is we're not fighting another being in another dimension. We are fighting ourselves on what we believe consciousness to be.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
Do you believe that is by design?
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Melissa Tittle
Yes and no. In my movie code 12, I. I give some a hypothesis for if there was a simulation, if there was a structure to how we think and why we exist, who created it? And I bring up the, the idea of the Emerald Tablets with Thoth and how the fall of Atlantis then caused Thoth to take action. Create the. This is in the Emerald Tablets. Create the Great Pyramid. And then the Great Pyramid helped to create a structure, a frequency that we are thou now under. The reason being it was a good reason at the time, was because Atlantis fell because people or beings were misusing the power of what Atlantis stood for and therefore allowing lower dimensional beings to come in through our structure and inhabit our bodies. Not because they're bad, like we started looking at things bad or good, but because they're in a lower dimension and they have to feed, just like we have to feed on whatever, what dimension we're in. Right. This was a problem because now humans were being taken over by these lower dimensional beings. So he creates this grid system, cuts it all off. None of them can come back in. The problem is we're cut off now from our eternal potentiality as a being. And in that story, if that's true, it was for a good reason. But we lost all connection with all those things that we knew of how the universe worked in our potentiality and who we were. Uh, and this is why people are so obsessed with Atlantis. They have to get back to this point. You know, they want to get back to the point of which they knew how the universe worked. And that makes more sense to me that we are. Somebody might have created it for possible good, but now we believed in it so much for so long that our consciousness, our bodies, can't exist beyond the structure that it was created. And that we believe is true.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
Would you agree that at this time, though, the consciousness of humanity is shifting to where these conversations are becoming much more. This information is becoming much more readily available where 20 years ago, 30 years ago, shows like the ones you produced for Gaia, ancient civilizations would have never. Graham Hancock would have never been allowed to even speak, let alone do what he did. And. Or shows like this wouldn't be even accepted. They were. People weren't even ready, even if you got to broadcast them. So would you agree that that's happening right now? We're kind of moving towards a higher. A higher state of consciousness?
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Melissa Tittle
Yes. It's so funny, someone just asked me this question. If we are living in a simulation, why aren't we all dying off? Because the simulation wants you to stop people from figuring out it's a simulation. And I said, well, I don't think that that's the case. I think that there was a programming in there that wants us to see how we are living our lives, like really be able to. Because we need to expand. We're bursting. We've literally run all the storylines that could possibly exist within our current program. And we keep. And we keep doing it over and over again, and people are wising up to it. Okay, we're in another war. We're in another situation of hate. We're in another depression. We're in another. Blah, blah, blah. Money is. Is. Is this. And you know, people are just had it like in mass levels. And that is causing chaos, but it's also causing a new consciousness to emerge. And I totally agree with you. And I. That's why I think that everything is reprogrammable 100%. And that right now we're at a case of like, this doesn't make sense. We are not in a place yet where we've decided, well, what is the future of humanity going to be? There's just a lot of people upset, which is. You've ever read the book Power vs. Force?
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
It's Oligo.
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Melissa Tittle
Yeah, Right. So they have that, they have that chart, right? The chart starts with like, I don't know what the bottom is, but grief and, you know, anger and. And so here we are, we're at like level, you know, 75, which is anger and that's resentment, you know, but each of these is a level up, right? And then you level up to hope and then. And then at the very top, it's bliss. It's. It's, you know, and that's like 750. So right now if we're at. If we're in talking numbers, we're at 75 because we're angry and it's. There's no one going to stop us. We as a human race, as conscious beings within a structure, have to build that, have to get to that next level of what that is. And we are definitely on the road to that. Sure. And these conversations help. They help more people become their eternal selves.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
And now back to the show.
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Next Level Soul Host
And.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
The when you say we've done this again and again, I mean there's been story upon story about the rise and fall, the rise and fall, the, the enlightenment and the opposite of enlightenment and constant and constant going back and forth. I mean in the ancient texts of the Vedic text they talk about the Yugas and, and that the cycle of 24, 000 years. And Graham Hancock has been talking about it because now those, what he's finding in ancient and ancient monuments is starting to back up the concepts of this 24 or 26,000year cycle that we're in. According to the Yugas, we're like the Dark ages was the worst. Like that's as bad as we could get as a species. Nothing happened for five or six hundred years. Like it was just death and mayhem for five. And then slowly the Renaissance and now we're starting to come back up to this enlightened place where we could argue Atlantis, let's say, was close to that space. Can you explain that a little bit from your findings of all the, all the stuff that you've researched over the years about this, this constant creation, destruction, Creation, destruction, creation destruction. And it's in nature for God's sakes. I mean it's, it's everywhere. It is, it's literally being projected to us all the time.
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Melissa Tittle
Yes, definitely. So in my documentary Code 12, we talk about the importance of two, two really two pieces of ancient history that repeat itself all the time. And I do think it has to do with our structure also the 26,500 years of all the zodiac times. And then you start all over again, right? And this is why ancient temples and pyramids are all attached to equinoxes and you know they're really tracking. Where are we in the, you know, Hindu, the Yuga? Where are we in the structure of, of this. This massive overhaul for humanity for 26,500 years? Approximately. The two symbols are concentric circles and the other is a numerical 12. Right? So 12 times 12 is 24. It's a, it's a. If you look at an infinity loop, right, it's. It's like, you know, two, two existences together type of thing. So why is this important? The, the structure of, of time is in a circle. The way we live our life is linear. So that means we're in the system. Those 12 points on the circle, like a wheel, are the 12 zodiacs that align us to the system. It's all the same system. The 26,500 years. Look at it this way. Is your ability as a human race to gain enlightenment. After that, you start all over. It's like a game. Did you, did you get to the end? And if you didn't, after a certain amount of time, you go back, right? And, and, and this, this is an ancient text because it. We have not been able to do that, right? We, we have a chance now for, I think we have what, 2,000, 22, 200, 2,500 years, right?
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
Something like that. Something like that.
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Melissa Tittle
Okay, well, obviously I'm as Melissa Tittle in this body. I am not going to be around, but, you know, maybe I will in a different body. But this is very important. You know, if we're on a scale and we're starting here, we really think about it. If we've been below the power versus force chart from, you know, the top is 750 or something, and we're at 75, and we are below that. I mean, people, we got a lot to do in a short amount of time. If you think about the Yugas, 26,500, 500 years. But this, the ancients knew this. And it was so important to constantly feed the information. They also knew that we were going to. As a human race, they predicted we would go through these hard times. And that is why the ancient teachings are so important to all of us, because we know that they knew something that's not accepted in our modern culture. Definitely more so even five years ago. People are opening up. They want to know more. They want to be part of whatever it is, because people are ready. But this is, this is why they left it. They carved it in stone. They left it behind. Native Americans have oral traditions that are specifically memorized to be passed down that we've never forget where we can be if we're able to see things differently. I always think that, let's say at year 12,500, we hit alignment way before the whole cycle starts over again. I think we break out of it. I think that the system doesn't exist anymore. I think that the whole structure of time. 12, 12, you know, 12 points on a clock, 12 zodiac, the, the idea that in the, in the duat, there's 12 hours of the night, there's 12 hours of the day, right? Like all of these will go away, all of it won't exist, will be in complete different kind of universal existence. And that is what the ancients wanted to leave behind. We don't have to wait till the last day of the 26,500 to finally be like, everything's great. I'm so joyful. No, no, no, no. The point is to, to break the system, to get out, become your internal being.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
So these ancient monuments have been left behind. You know, it seems almost like they left certain ones behind that could absolutely withstand the test of time. The pyramids being a great example of that. And not just the great pyramids in the Great Pyramid in, in Giza, the pyramids of Giza, but also pyramids in Ankar and, and, and in, in the Central America. And all of these, you. All these kind of structures that are not easily dismissed. You can dismiss ancient texts arguably, but it's difficult to go, well, wait a minute, how the heck did Machu Picu get made? How the heck Chichen Itza get done? How the heck did the great Pyramids get made in a time when they were literally supposedly unsophisticated to a point where we can't even redo the Great Pyramid today? I know a lot of people argue that, oh yeah, we could. Like, are you out the kind of precise alignment? And not only that, then you start looking at the codes that are embedded in those monuments. Like if I'm not mistaken, the, the height of the pyramid, if you multiply it by a certain number, is the width of the Earth or something along those lines. And yeah, these kind of codes are embedded in it. Where do you. Do you agree with that? These things would be left behind for us as, as kind of almost markers in time to go, no, guys, look deeper because you can't dismiss that. You could burn ancient text. Can't really burn the Great Pyramid though. They've tried to destroy many times.
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Melissa Tittle
Yes, they have. Napoleon blew a hole in the side of it, but thanks to him, we can actually get in and, you know, have meditations in the. The chain. The king's chamber.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You know, but. Yeah, but that's. But, you know, so thank you, Napoleon, I guess, for that. But without. Without that, we wouldn't have never been able to get inside of it. And there's still things inside of it, arguably, that have not been discovered yet, you know, that they're still trying to figure out. It's. It's. It's fascinating. So all of these, even Gopecli Tepe, which completely moves our human timeline behind. What do you. What do you see? Where do you see this all going? Why did they leave all of these things behind? And why are they encoded with so much information that we're slowly trying to decode now?
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Melissa Tittle
Well, whatever's at the bottom of Gobeki Tepe, I don't think they wanted us to find. So I'm very interested. When they finally get to the bottom, it just blows my mind. Not there yet.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
Yes.
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Melissa Tittle
It's so crazy to me.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
Well, that whole mountain has a. The whole mountain has a ton more of them in there. Right? Go back to. That is just like one. There's a bunch more of those.
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Melissa Tittle
Yeah, but they were intentionally buried, so whatever is down there, they do not want us to find. And I think that it's so ripe for this time. Right. That we're, like, on the brink of all these discoveries. And, you know, it's really. You just brought up the Great Pyramid. I find it fascinating that they have all this technology and they just found another corridor, another room or something like that in. In the. Yeah. In. In the Great Pyramid, that they just keep finding things randomly. I mean, maybe they're holding back the material until the right time, but does it. Does it exist or are they. Is it making itself known all of a sudden within our dimension? It just the whole.
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Next Level Soul Host
Because it's time.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
Because it's time. We can accept this information now or we can use this information. If this information would have been released 500 years ago. Eh, it's kind of like if someone got the idea for the iPhone a hundred years ago, 200 years ago, people. We weren't ready yet to even deal with that. Would that make sense?
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Melissa Tittle
Yeah, yeah, no, definitely. It's funny about the iPhone. I was reading an article published by somebody at JPL in Pasadena from like 1950, and they're like, pretty soon. And the article said, man predicts. We'll be talking. Well, we'll be talking to. We'll be talking to our wrists and our. And Our phones in our hand.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
And now back to the show.
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Melissa Tittle
And it was like, it was like, you know how they write Those funny, like 50s, like hahaha. You know, any scientist was like, yeah, everyone's gonna have like their own phone and they're gonna be able to like call and FaceTime time. And he didn't use the word FaceTime, but you'll be able to see people in the phone and walk around and, and I just thought, yeah, that's true.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
The seeds. Those are the seeds. Well, I mean, look, but, but, but sci fi is the seeds. I mean, if it wasn't for, you know, H.G. wells, I don't think we have a space program. You know that those books inspired a generation. And then when, when we went to the, you know, the whole 60s, going to the moon thing, that inspired a whole other generation. Star wars and Star Trek and even Dick Tracy talking into his watch back in the early 1900s. Now we do that. It's all, it comes through story a lot of times, these ideas that eventually get it turned into something a little bit more material.
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Melissa Tittle
Yeah, exactly. And I feel like the ancients knew that. So I think a lot of, and a lot of people, I don't know if you've been to any ancient sites or anything like that. Okay, so you know that when you go to certain ancient sites, you feel something different.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
Oh yeah.
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Melissa Tittle
And it's different for each person. Right. Like for instance, I didn't have the best energy in the Great Pyramid, but there have been places in Egypt that were just mind blowing for me. But, but you do feel something different. Right? So there, there's some kind of energy harnessing of all these places. Whether you're in Peru, you're in Egypt, you're in India, you're in a vortex spot in the four corners in Native American territory. There's places where you're in touch with what the ancient people are. Are talking about. And these places are sacred not because of what they built there, but because of the information that can come through if you're open to receiving.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
So from your research, what are some of the codes that have been discovered that are embedded in some of the more famous, some of the more famous monuments, ancient monuments around the world?
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Melissa Tittle
I think the famous codes, and a lot of people know this is the sacred geometry and the connection to PI and phi and the, the golden mean. Most temples are calculated to harness that energy which. Every piece of life is, Is. Is. Is kind of calculated on the golden mean. Everything, your body, the plants in your house, your animals, you know, everything. Everything around us matters. Created this way, they're able to harness that energy. I think that's the sacred. The sacred stuff. But I think the most interesting thing for me is that that's been talked about since the beginning of spirituality, which was Madame Blavatsky, right. This, this understanding of how everything's calculated this way. What I'm more interested in is what are we not seeing? Okay, so that's calculated, but what's underneath that calculation? What's beyond that calculation that we are not seeing? And a lot of that is up for interpretation because you have all these amazing symbols all over the world, and people give you their interpretations of what they mean. I think that beyond the structure of the golden mean, there is another code that is the actual structure of what we're living in. The golden mean. Like, think of it this way. The golden mean is the. Is how everything is coded that we know right now. But then there's something else that codes a bigger part of the universe. And that is what I'm more interested in. And, and I find more of the. That code actually attached to more feminine temples, feminine language. It's like that. It's like that chaos. It's like that. Sophia. It's, It's. It's this other thing that no one has been able to really dive into that has a completely different calculation of how things exist on this planet. And they. And I think it's. I think why it hasn't really been talked about is because it's not something we're looking for. It doesn't fit into the pattern of which everything is created. But if we are eternal and we exist within all space and time at the same part, this code, is that.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
So, in other words, we've been focusing on the code for the program, but not the code for the operating system.
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Melissa Tittle
Exactly, exactly.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
And that's everyone's Focusing so much on the program that no one's going, well, wait a minute, what's the program running on?
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Melissa Tittle
Oh yeah, exactly, exactly. Or are we on a Microsoft computer? What are we doing exactly?
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
Is this Windows 95 or is this System 7? Like what is. Sorry, we were geeking out a little bit on old technology, but no, that's a very good point. That's a very good point. One thing that is, and you mentioned this earlier, that is another fascinating aspect of a lot of these ancient monuments and ancient civilizations is their obsession with the sky, obsession with the cosmos, obsession with the alignments of stars and equinoxes and all of this kind of stuff. Why do you think, what does that say about the ancients that, I mean they're just so focused on the, on, on the sky and specifically stars. Where I think, isn't the Great Pyramid like the almost perfect due north or something along those lines, if I'm not mistaken, the way it's aligned and at a certain time, I mean, I mean I was a Chichen Itza and twice a year in the equinoxes, a snake appears on the steps of Chichen Itza. Do you understand what insanity that is? To understand the timing, how to structure it, where to put things? It hurts the brain for us to do it today, let alone to have that kind of insight back then. So what is your thoughts on that?
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Melissa Tittle
Well, I'm going to say something really simple. It's just not sexy. But I feel that the ancients were very in touch with the harmony of nature, the harmony of the stars, the harmony of our positioning with the equinoxes, the zodiac. There was harmony there. We the only people concerned about the equinoxes are a couple people that want to stand outside and see, see if they can see something or you're in the conscious space and you get together and you do a meditation and. But, but it's not like a, it's not an accepted thing where it becomes like an event like it probably was in ancient times because they were in harmony with these, these events within the structure of how they were living. We are not, we are not in harmony with that and, and their harmony. I use the word harmony because it is an under. It's a greater understanding of where they are and how everything works together. Right now we look in fear at all that we're like, okay, and then it's there and then it's here and then it's there. But we have it all separated and it's not congruent. I mean I imagine ancient civilizations were talking about science and spirituality and channeling aliens and all sorts of stuff all together in the same house.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
And.
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Melissa Tittle
And they weren't all separated, right? Science and existence, they. They were the phenomenon. And so was that up there, and they were all together in it. But we have separated ourselves from that. It's happening up there. We're here. We get to see it. That's great. Moving on. You know, even if in the conscious space, you're like, okay, well, you're a Sagittarius, and that means. And therefore that there wasn't any harmony with. With the existence of the stars. And I. I just. I think that's really what it. It really. What it is. It was. It was more a joy of being alive and being with all of the things than. I'm not sure. And then being fearful of all the things and keeping it separated.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
And so that. Yeah, I mean, that makes sense what you're saying, without question. The. But. But the thing that just blows my mind is how did they do it? How did they have the knowledge to be able to create these structures in a way that we don't even understand today?
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Melissa Tittle
What, What? Harness frequencies? I mean, a lot of. I mean, a lot of these stars. You can find some of this on YouTube because people have done work on it, and not that many people look into it, but. But each star has a frequency that we still feel from Earth. And I think that they were in touch with that in such a way. I mean, we find ancient instruments in every temple. I mean, they've been able to lay that out of what kind of instruments they had and how they played it and all that kind of stuff. But I don't think we really dove into, like, well, why and how. And I think that they knew how to use sound and frequency to not only. And this is also a theory by many people, but to move stone, to move structure, to create from this. This body that we have that's connected to this eternity that we live in. I think that they used frequency for that. That's the only way to be so exact. I mean, to create something out of ego. To create. I mean, we're just talking about stone right now. We're just talking about all the temples that were just kind of blown away, whether you're South America, Egypt, whatever. It doesn't matter. Like, you're just like, what. How did they do this?
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
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Melissa Tittle
Think about it. If, if the theory in Egypt is they got a bunch of slaves and they're like, you know, wheel all this stuff together and put it. I mean, at some point you're like, I, you know, he's my, my guys, my master's never going to know. I'm just going to stick the rug there and just put some stuff and it's all there like it was. There's none of that. There's not even one imperfection. And even in these temples in South America, there's not one imperfection. There's a crack now because it's older. There's an earthquake, but there's nothing. There's still aqueducts running. And that kind of perfection comes from something more pure than, than doing things, to do things. And I think that's the harnessing of, of this, these frequencies, what those exact frequencies are to do exactly what they did. I don't even think we know how that works. There's lots of people doing research on it. But to connect all the dots, to create, to create that with the human consciousness, we barely scratch the surface.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
Well, and it's, it's, it'd be the equivalent of, you know, 100 years or 200 or let's say 500 years from now, someone finds this iPhone and they're going to be like, well, what, what was, what was that about? You know, if, let's say they, if everything, all the information is gone, let's say, and they just find a bunch of these, they'll be like, what is this? What were they using for this? What was this magic box? And, and that could be said with a bunch of our technology now because we have no frame of reference and we only. And I think one of the biggest problems we have, especially people today, is they look back at the ancients and they look at it through the lens of the technology we have today, and they don't foresee things like frequency because to them, they're like, oh, that's Hocus pocus where it's, it could be much more powerful than the iPhone, could be much more powerful than a nuclear weapon that we have today or so on. Would you agree with that?
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Melissa Tittle
Yeah, I think that in places like CERN and some other scientific communities, I think they do know this and they're working on it. For the rest of us we're just trying to meditate to you know, frequencies that we download, you know, to put us in a meditative state. But all of that is the same thing. It's just on a bigger scale and then it's using all of the resources, crystals, you know, it's not just man made stuff. I mean I think science communities are fully aware of the potential of all of this. But I still think they haven't figured out what frequencies do what that they are definitely aware of this and they're definitely not going to tell us until they've figured it out.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
Well, but yeah, so if you, if you go into. There's some structures in South America which I was around and the stones are all weird looking. They're not like, you know, four foot by four foot, four foot. But no, that's all different sizes but they all fit perfectly together. And then I was watching a video the other day where let's say there's a corner, the stone would corner like it would, like the stone. It wouldn't be like a stone and a stone, it would be like a stone cornering around and then it would pick up here and it would go all the way through. It was not like filler or anything because an earthquake happened and a couple of them shook off and they looked inside and like Jesus, that goes all the way through, that goes all the way in. It's not like someone just jammed something in to get the corner in. It is such perfection and it's such weird shapes. I'd love to hear your theory on how the hell did they build something like that. Because at least the pyramids, they're giant granite blocks. But some of the stuff in South America and another ancient sites, they almost look like they were poured in, like they melted the rock. Poured in molds and connect because it doesn't even fit paper. A piece of paper doesn't fit in between these rocks. Absolutely mind blowing.
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Melissa Tittle
Yeah, I mean I don't have any evidence for that. I mean I guess we're talking about, we don't have any evidence for so. But I mean that could be something. I mean if, if you're able to create a higher entropy on matter and being Able to manipulate it, you know, from rock to liquid and then put it back together into a lower entropy. And you figure that out through frequency. I mean. I mean, God, anything's possible. I do agree, though, that it's pretty fascinating. In South America, they have those keyholes too, where everything just fits perfectly, like, barely anything in between. You're like, they had those in the Osirian temple as well. Like, the underground temple in Egypt is behind Abydos. They have those keyhole things. It's like someone from Peru just came over. They're like, let me show you my technique where I melt the rock and put it in there.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
There's. And there's another. Another area in India which. Oh, my God, these end. These temples that have been carved out of a mountain. Like, they're just like, they literally. But it's an entire temple that was carved from the rock. It wasn't. No rock was brought in. It was carved out perfectly. So there's a temple inside of a mountain multiple. I think there's like seven or eight of them in a complex. And yet they cannot find the stone anywhere. Like, that's a lot of stone being removed. It would still be around. They wouldn't have hauled it off hundreds of miles away. It's nowhere to be found. So what the hell happened? How did they do that? With rooms and everything?
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Melissa Tittle
Yeah, they have. But, you know, not just that. That one specifically, but even in the valley of the Incas, as you know, before you get to Machu Picchu, there's tons of temples. On the way there, I wrote an ancient aliens episode where we were talking about specifically Oleantin Tombo, which is the temple to the sun. It still has natural running aquifer action or aqueducts still, that the stone from there was taken another valley away, which means they'd have to roll it over the mountain, go roll it down the valley, the valley of the Incas, which is pretty steep, and then roll it up the. The mountainside to put it in there. And so one of the things that I tested was like, okay, well, maybe humans actually did this. They. They found. Because they needed a certain stone. Right? This is. This is the thing to make that temple in India to. To find those blue sarsen stones for Stonehenge that are in the middle. They were specific. They came from hundreds of miles away. Right. And. And for this. These stones to build this temple in the Valley of Incas needed to come from another valley away. Okay, makes sense. So humans, like, drug it up the hill. So we went to a quarry we, we, you know, we had the weight of, of the, the largest one, right? So one of those was like seven or eight tons. And we had them roll it down the hill in this quarry and it shattered into like a million pieces. Like even if you were like trying to like hold back the gravity of that rock, right, to bring it to be carved, it's just absolutely ridiculous. It makes no sense. It's, it's as if like you're saying somebody, something found the stones and was able to carry it. But that's not possible with all we know about space and time right now and how the universe works is not possible with the physics we understand. And that's what I'm saying. There's something else out there that operates in a different level. Why do you like UFOs? That makes no sense. But alien interactions, interdimensional beings, none of that has anything to do with the physics of which we exist right now in this time and space. Which means something else is out there that can interact with our dimension of time and space and can come in and out understanding that big code. And ancients tapped into that bigger code that I'm talking about outside of the one that's the golden mean. And we're able to, to use that to create the things that we can't figure out within our means of moder technology.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
How old do you think some of these are? These, these ancient sites are? Because I mean if we are, we are, if we're to believe that the pyramids were done In Egypt, what, 6,000 years ago, something like that, you know, if you're, if you're feeling froggy, 8,000 years ago, if you really want to get outside the world of like, you know, the general timeline. But now we're starting to figure out that some, some of, some actually archaeologists who are bold enough to say it, they're like, could be up to 13,000 years ago, but arguably could be 26,000 years old and going, you know, going again these cycles, it keeps seeing like 13,000, 26,000, you know, these kind of numbers. What do you, because what do you think the ages of like Machu Picchu, Chichen Itza? Because that says, oh, that's 1200 years old, 1500 years old. I'm like, I don't know, what do you think?
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Melissa Tittle
Well, I mean, let's just look at our modern day existence. Sure. I, I, I'm on the East Coast, I'm outside New York City, I have a house from the 1800s. You know what they've been doing to this house since the 1800s they've been building on, they've been building structures. They redone the outside. Like I have like a nice sun room in the back. You know what I mean? That's not an 1800s thing. I think that these spots always had ancient temples on maybe 30, 40,000 years ago. But then maybe the view that we're looking at is the, the modern sunroom. Right. The, the 1500 version where they, they did some, some, they did some, they did some fixes and they were able to be like, okay, well this is definitely the 1500s from whatever sample they took. But, but the original design I think is much older and that's been there and I mean you just see that and just, just modern day in. Oh my God, I cannot forget that. I'm forgetting the name of the town. You, you start the Inca trail at in.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
Oh God, I forgot the name. But yeah, I know what you're saying. I know. I don't know the name. But the town, we'll call it the town. The Inca town.
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Melissa Tittle
The town. The town of Peru starts in control. I can't believe I forget that.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
And now back to the show.
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Melissa Tittle
You could see in town that they had amazing Inca temples that they just cut the tops off and put a church on. So you got half the church built up as an Inca temple and then they stuck a church on it. And then of course the church now had to be a little bit modern day updated. So then they've updated that and you could see the different levels of years of Inca. Amazing. Then next generation and then pebbles. Right. And then church. Right, right. So I think that that's what we're seeing here at these temples. I think that the reason people are saying, hey, I think they're much older is because they're looking at this. The alignments, the spirituality that the texts, the understanding the oral traditions, the. The symbols. And they're saying, wait a second, this is much older. And people are saying, yeah, but the building, the rock over here, this is 1500. Maybe it is. Maybe they had to replace something here and there. But, but. But I think we're looking at something that we don't even know how old it is.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
And if you look at. I mean, I've been to. I mean, if you go to Rome, just a Roman Empire alone. I mean, you go to Italy and you walk around, it's a walking museum. And they built things on top of Roman stuff. You're like, oh, that was old. Roman this or Roman that. The Roman aqueducts are still around. You know, they're still around. I was driving around, you know, in an. And I'm like, is that. Yes, the Roman aqueducts are just hanging out there next to us next to a highway, you know, next to a highway that they just built right next to it. So why wouldn't that happen over thousands and thousands of years? Isn't. Aren't there some. There are some pyramids in Mexico that they're discovering that there's many pyramids inside of each one and they've kind of almost built on top of it. On top of it, on top of it. Is that correct?
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Melissa Tittle
Oh, which site is that? I actually don't know that one.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
There's. There's one in Mexico, but I know there's others around the world that they actually have parab. If they. They're doing sonar and they're like, oh, wait a minute, there's something underneath. Oh, and it goes underneath that. I saw. I saw it in Graham's show. Ancient. Yeah, I think he did a couple of those. They just keep going down. Down. They haven't gotten down as far as they could go yet, but it looks like they just built on top of. On top of it. On top of it. So it's. It's just. It's this big story.
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Melissa Tittle
Russian doll of the Russian.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
The Russian dolls of pyramids. Now, I wanted to ask you about a culture that. The first time I ever heard of this term was in Ghostbusters.
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Melissa Tittle
Love it.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
The Sumerian. The Sumerian gods, you know, people. Yeah, the Heat. Gozer was a Sumerian God. Yes, Gozer was a. See, now we're geeking out hardcore. So, yes, that was the very first time I ever heard the word Sumerian. And I'm like, who are the Sumerians? And then as I got older, I started researching a little bit about the Sumerians. Can you talk about the Sumerians as a culture and what they've brought to, to us and I mean they're pretty mysterious. I'd love to hear your thoughts on them.
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Melissa Tittle
Oh, the Sumerians. You know, as Graham Hancock says, it's actually a curse word because like once you go down that train, like nobody takes you seriously. You, his profession, he like stays away from it like the plague. Like I can't even, like I can't even say the word. The A word. Anunnaki. He's just like, I'm not.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
You can't talk, you can't say anything about the Anunnaki. God forbid. Right? No pun intended. Yeah.
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Melissa Tittle
It just gets too, it gets too far down. A train of speculation. So the Sumerians, I, I, you know, besides the Anunnaki, they have this, this amazing mythology that seems to play out in our everyday lives all the time. They, they really set the structure I think for our current civilization. Our financial systems, our, our community systems, our hierarchy systems, that, that, I don't think that they're, I think that the Sumerian culture really set that tone. You know, if you really, they were the first to create a civilization that had certain rules and regulations that followed a certain thing. And then of course that passes down to different areas in the world. But, but this, but they were very detailed at recording all of them. Whether it was how much something cost to how things go, what the law was, how it works and all that. Now that doesn't mean that other ancients, ancient civilizations, you know, maybe Atlantis, Hindu. That doesn't mean, it's just that they recorded it so well and that people were able to read it and then copy their civilization. It, that's a good law. I'm going to incorporate that. You know, it's like they just, they had the Amazon of books, right? They wrote the, the civilization we have today down to all the laws and regulations and how everything should be set up. And so I think in a way there to, to be, you know, that's really great and also to blame. Thanks for all that. But, but it did organize people and it organized cities and it organized trade and that became, we became more in that way as a, you know, third dimensional human doing things with other humans. I think it definitely created more laws and regulation for that. And then of course then you have this spirituality side. You have the Anunnaki, you have these beings that come from space that, that kind of created humanity, messed with our, our genetics, our DNA created this hybrid called homo homo sapien and this Is.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
This is an ancient text, by the way. Yeah, this is not sci fi. This is not sci fi. This is an ancient text. And isn't it. Is it? And isn't this kind of like always waved off as like, oh, they were just writing stories.
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Melissa Tittle
Really.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
Do you know how hard it was to write on those damn tablets? They're just gonna write, poor soul.
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Melissa Tittle
That poor soul who's laying away.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
There's a little way for like, hey, let's. Let's tell a story. Like, no, it doesn't seem like it. I think we should. And you're right. Once you say the, the A word, it goes down a very, very long path.
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Melissa Tittle
But.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
But there has to be some seeds there of that makes sense. So I just wanted to let people know that this is not just like, oh, this is a story that Melissa's making up. No, no, this is in the ancient text. And by the way, many other cultures have talked about this similar idea in Indian culture. I mean, the Bhagavada alone. I mean, talking of blue beings and all this kind of stuff in a time where are you guys just writing stories? So is this Harry Potter but like.
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Melissa Tittle
Indians to be blue? It's just like, why, why do we need to know the calculations of Solomon's temple? I mean, thousands of years later, I'm not building it. Like, why do we need to know it? Right. It's the story of the people and their interactions with God. But apparently this is what, this is where it all gets weird. It's like blue beans. Okay. Did you have to make the blue? Is there a reason it was blue? What's with the calculations, with the building sizes? And now we're here to. That's a lot of work to write a story about these beings coming from. From outer space or creating humanity in the skies?
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
From the skies.
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Melissa Tittle
Skies, sorry, the skies, yes. Outer space. Sounds very sci fi. You're right.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
Yeah.
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Melissa Tittle
So now we're in the Anunnaki world of creation. I think it's really important about the story that this, this the story of the two brothers. So the Anunnaki, there's. There's many, there's many players in the Anunnaki, right? There's a nanna who, who could be contributed to the first Isis. Right. She's kind of a creator goddess in charge of fertility and agriculture. There's a couple other players. There's daddy Ann, Anu, who never comes to Earth because he's just like, whatever. Here. I'm going to send my two sons to, you know, Create this new life on Earth. And that's inky. And inl Inky is. Is the serpent who tempts Eve in the garden to eat the apple. He's all about knowledge, you know, he sees this creation of Homo sapien as an. As not only an experiment, but. But also for them to gain their own knowledge, their own free will to understand what they're doing here in Lowell. The other brother is all about being a warlord, making sure they're slaves, keeping them in the system. So here we have two dichotomies. 6,000 years ago on the purpose of humanity. Two gods at war with each other. Eventually, they went to war with each other. One inviting humans to not be slaves and learn about the universe and their free will. And the other ones say, no, stay in line. Otherwise bad things will happen. So you have this good cop, bad cop situation going on that plays out in all of our subconscious, the duality of which we live in all the time. Do I practice free will or do I fall in line so I don't get in trouble? Every thought, every thought that you ever have fits into those two categories. And they wrote about that 6,000 years ago. Now, did they write about that because they wanted to find a story to fit in the duality of humanity and then wrap their whole culture around it, or was there a grain of truth in that story?
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
It is something that we deal with every day. Obviously, you and I are the troublemakers because we're not. Definitely did not stand in line.
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Melissa Tittle
But you're.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
But, you know, there are those two. There's two kind of. Of two kind of human beings. There's people who stay in line, do what they're told, blah, blah, blah. And then there's the rebels, people, free thinkers and. But those people who are the free thinkers and kind of blaze their own path is what moves humanity forward. Without them, humanity doesn't evolve at all. Would you agree?
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Melissa Tittle
Yeah, of course. Of course. I mean, you always know the troublemaker in class. You know, he's just. He or she doesn't want to play by the rules, right? They become the next. They become the next teacher, the ones that can see outside the box. So they're. They're both important.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
And now back to the show.
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Melissa Tittle
Is. I mean, have you watched the first for. I love the first season of Westworld. Have you seen.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
I saw the first season of Westworld, Yes. I haven't. I didn't. I didn't keep going. But I did.
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Melissa Tittle
No, I didn't. I kind of. But the first season of Westworld and when you look at it this way, is literally the old story of inky and in law. So spoiler alert, it's been on TV for a long time, but if anybody hasn't seen it, I'm sorry, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna tell you the premise of the first season. First season is there's this whole game that's created that these AI kind of robots, they're very human looking, they're alive, they have like fake emotions. Apparently they exist and then, and then humans can just rent time in the park and go shoot them or have sex with them or all sorts of things. And it's like rich people do this. Now. The game was created by two brothers. One is Anthony Hopkins, who's still alive, making sure the robots are taken care of and fixed. And you know, there's, they're all ready to go for the next, next scene and the other brother's not alive anymore and they both program the system. Now what you find out in the first season is that the brother's not alive anymore. Specifically put a, a Kodak or a code within these AI human looking beings to wake them up so that they would not comply anymore with the system. That they were actually asking questions. Why is it like this? Why am I getting shot? Like, why do I feel something? And now all everyone's in shock. They're like, what is happening? Why are they, why are they, why are they waking up? And I feel that, that, that in a way, if you think, if we believe that we were created by these beings or some other beings or that we have a grid and the toth is involved or whatever the story may be, that there is some part of us that is always supposed to be curious and it has been there since the beginning of time and it will never cease to exist. A psychologist once said that the greatest fault human, the human race has. And the greatest achievements that they have ever done is by being curious. By being curious, we left the cave right. By being curious, we got ourselves in a lot of trouble and. But without it, we wouldn't continue the human race. So this next curiosity, this next phase of what humanity is, this is the thing that will not go away. It'll wake you up in the middle of night. You can't escape it. It is the future. We are being prompted to discover our potentiality.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
Curiosity killed the cat.
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Melissa Tittle
I got some years left, but we.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
Get nine lives, so it's okay. It works out. No, you're, you're absolutely right. This, this idea of the troublemaker, the idea of moving forward. Well, let's talk about a troublemaker. In the past, this guy named Jesus, he was hanging around, he was definitely a troublemaker, big time. But there was this, there was this group that I've just recently started to go into a little bit and I know you've done a lot of research on the Gnostics. Can you explain to people who the Gnostics were and what happened in that.
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Melissa Tittle
Storyline a little bit for Gnostics did not get nine lives. We'll say that. So the Gnostics were actually an early sect of Christianity. Let's back up a little bit. There's lots of debates of who Jesus was. There's people who say Jesus didn't even live for the sake of this conversation. And, and what I really true believe, I do believe there was some character like Jesus just like there was somebody like Buddha, right? There's someone who was able to translate this energy, this, these frequencies. All the stuff we've been talking about on this podcast and those early sects of what later became Christianity at the time wasn't Christianity. Jesus was Jewish. He, they, the teachings were not about what they are now. They were, they were very much about being outside the system. The stuff we were talking about, frequencies, sound, being joyful, translating the word of God, of the Goddess, you know, it was very much in line with. It wasn't just God. It was, it was, it was the Goddess, it was the creation. It was, it was this, all this information now when it became Christianity, well before. So Jesus transcends and we, we now have, we have an early sect of his teachings which become the Gnostics. And then you have the apostles that go off and do his teachings which later becomes Christianity. But the Gnostics really were holding this, this true vision of what the teachings were about. And, and a lot. We don't need to get into Mary Magdalene. But the Gospel of Mary is. Most of it is ripped out because. Because it always starts like this. If you are so powerful women to tell me what Jesus said, please tell me now. And then, of course, all those pages are ripped out and we can never find them for the. For all of eternity.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
Of course, of course, of course, of course.
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Melissa Tittle
So the Gnostics were following those old teachings. There was no separation, there was no angry God. It was God embraces everybody, forgiveness, all of that. Right. Those are the Gnostics outside the wall. Nothing's real. You know, live in joy and harmony all the time. No matter how much they test you, it is not real. That's Gnostics. Christianity went off and did their thing. They're like, they're crazy. We're creating a whole order. We're creating structure and fear. And God will hurt you if you don't do stuff. And that's where it went, right? Boop. Opposite directions. Later in time, the. The Christians felt threatened by the Gnostics. And I think this was the time of the Knights Templar, if I'm correct. Yep. And they basically burned every single one of them at the. The stake.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
Really?
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Melissa Tittle
Yeah, every single one of them. They completed. And the ones that, that still held the teachings and, and then there's lots of stories like the Knights Templar still holds a lot of those secrets, you know, and this is what Da Vinci Code is about, right? Like this, this Rosacian line that's kind of hidden. The Templars hid. They, like, they put things all over the place. You know, they didn't want people to find it. The scrolls took how many years to find Right. In. In the, the. The deserts of Iraq. Iraq, yeah.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
Dead Sea Scrolls. The Dead Sea Scrolls.
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Melissa Tittle
That Sea Scrolls, yeah. But that teaching, you know, even today, like, I, I put a. A Gnostic guy who had the only person who would answer my call. I did a whole episode. I was writing for Gaia at the time, Ancient civilization episode on Gnostics, and it's something Graham Hancock was really passionate about. And. And so I could only find one Gnostic person, like someone who's actually practicing and published a book to come on camera. The guy comes on camera. He was lovely, amazing. You know, he does all the translations, what they mean, what they meant by the teachings. He's about to publish his book. He's like 35. And the show comes out. He's in the show and I get a. You know, we send out an email to the fam. To another family, to each person saying, hey, the show's the Show's come out. This is when your episode will be on. We really thank you for your time and any technical. True. I. Several months later I get an email from his mother apparently, and she said, hey, his name is Graham. Graham has been found dead in his bed. And I'm really sad about it. And, and I was wondering if you could help get his book published because, you know, it was right on the brink of being published. And then he. She's like, it's really weird. We don't know why he passed. He's super healthy. Just. I just found him in bed and he was dead.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
And I was like, my God.
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Melissa Tittle
I know. I. So I think there's still like a. There's a fear that the Gnostics might come back and like somehow impose their teachings which have nothing to do about anybody or any other religion. They're only about living in harmony with all the things that we're talking about. And there, and there it's all about living in that joyful state, forgiveness, which is what Jesus was about. So the Gnostics is, is, is a, is a dirtier word than Anunnaki, to be honest with you. It gets into all sorts of secrecy that's been going on for a very long time that you can trace back to the Knights Templar and all of these secret societies and organizations.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
So that, so that would be. If the Knights Templar, if my history serves me correct, we're talking about what, 400, 500 A.D. around there.
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Melissa Tittle
Yeah, that's when there's no more Gnostics after that. It, it, it's. Yeah, it was horrific.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
So how did it. So then obviously someone kept the teachings.
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Melissa Tittle
Someone kept the teachings, but they're very secret. Like there's. I found that there was a Gnostic church in la, which is. I was like, hey, can I. And I wouldn't. Nobody would even talk to me. And I don't even know who's able to go there. So it's very. Obviously they have a structure, but it's very tight.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
So this is, and this is. So this is after the Council of Nicaea, after the Christians have, you know, the Romans have put together. This is what real Christianity is. Let's see. The, the villagers are getting restless. We got to come up with something to control them. Hey, let's put this thing. And we'll call it the Roman Catholic Church.
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Melissa Tittle
Yes.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
And, and that was that. And then of course, the Gnostics were obviously a threat to that new order.
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Melissa Tittle
That they were trying. Until, until. Oh God, I'm missing my I think a king ordered all of their. So we're later in history. A king ordered all of their. All of them to be burned. And I can't remember who it is, but that's when everything went underground. The scrolls disappeared, everything. I mean, people are still teaching it, but a lot of, a lot of their teachings ended up in some of these other secret organizations that they make all these movies about, like the Da Vinci Code, the Rosicrucians and all that kind of stuff. They all kind of got like, parted.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
And now back to the show. Yeah, it's, it's fascinating. Like, like so much knowledge has been lost throughout history. I mean, what they did with the Mayans and they burned all the Mayans knowledge and Alexander, the library of Alexandria and God knows what was in there and all, all this. And let's, let's not even talk about what's in the Vatican. How much.
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Melissa Tittle
Well, you're not gonna be able to.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
See how much stuff is in the vaults of the Vatican. Is that. Isn't the. I'm sure you would die to get it. To just get in there for a few hours just to look around, like.
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Melissa Tittle
Bring a sleeping bag and try to hide out like in a movie.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
Right, right.
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Melissa Tittle
Like a flashlight and go around like.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
An 80s, like an 80s movie. And you're a teenager all of a sudden. Like, hey, this is where.
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Melissa Tittle
Like a new kind of Goonies.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
It's like a new kind of Goonies. Can you imagine Goonies too? Vatican's vault. That would be amazing.
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Melissa Tittle
And then what you find is sloth. Right? Like the characters out there for I don't know how long. He's. He's actually an Anunnaki and he, they like captured him.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
He's actually been very. He's smarter than all of them. That's. That would be amazing. I think we're writing the sequel Right now. Call Stephen up right now, see if he'll produce it again. So tell me about your new movie, Code 12. We've kind of talked a little bit about it. So can you tell everybody what is. What is about, what's in it and where can people see it?
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Melissa Tittle
Yeah, so Code 12 is a documentary I produced. It just came out on Amazon. And code 12 is about the simulation theory, which we talked about a lot in this conversation. And that new code that I was explaining, like, there's the code that everybody's been, you know, like, okay, this is the program, but who's running the program? Type of thing. And that is this, you know, I call the movie code 12. And you'll find out if you watch the movie. But. But it also talks about that the ancients left behind a way out. They gave us a structure and they. And they gave us clues on how to. To get out of the system. And a lot of that is a mixture between tuning your body, we get into the spirituality aspects, but it's also about teaching how the universe actually works so you understand what you're breaking out of and what your potentiality is. And that's what we really discover in code 12 through ancient texts. Computer programmers, scientists, geneticists. It was astonishing to me when I got on this journey that all these people had the same research that I was finding, except they were in their own little wheelhouse. They're just looking at DNA or they're just looking at the cosmos, or they're just astrology, or they're just looking at this one temple. And they all aligned to the same thing.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
That's. That's amazing. That's the thing I think I love doing as well is connecting all of the different part of this giant puzzle. Because if you're just looking in one corner, it's like the old Indian proverb, like, you know, the. The seven blind men holding on to a piece of the elephant. They go, no, the elephant's the trunk. No, the elephants the tail, though, the elephants. But they don't see the full picture. And I think that's what you're trying to do with the movie, right?
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Melissa Tittle
Yeah, exactly. I think the full picture is where it's at now. I think we get so caught in the narratives because it speaks to us and then we feel a part of us opening, which is amazing. That's what the. That's what we're. This work is about, but it's about the big picture. Now. I get a lot of people email me about this film and they, they, they Say to me. Every one of them say, oh, my God, this made me think of X, Y, Z. Now that's not my thoughts, that's their thoughts. I've opened something up in them to understand something about themselves. And that is the whole point. Whether you believe my theory or not, it doesn't matter. What matters is that you gain insight on what you're supposed to be doing and how you're connected. And that's all that matters. Beautiful.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
Beautiful. Now I'm going to ask you a few questions. Ask all my guests.
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Melissa Tittle
Okay?
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
What is your definition of living a fulfilled life?
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Melissa Tittle
Being joyful, being connected to loved ones, having great relationships. Everything else is just conditional.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
If you had a chance to go back in time and speak to little Melissa, what advice would you give her?
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Melissa Tittle
It's. It's all true. Everything you feel is all true. Just keep going with it. Don't have any doubts.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
How do you define God or Source?
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Melissa Tittle
Eternal, universal, creation, energy.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
What is love?
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Melissa Tittle
Everything.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
And what is the ultimate purpose of life?
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Melissa Tittle
Life.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
And where can people find out more about you and in the work that you're doing in the world?
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Melissa Tittle
You can go to our website. I run a production company called Hathor Studios, www.hathorstudios.com. there you'll see all new films that we have coming up. And we have a new film coming out called Source. You can see the trailer there. You can also find out more about code 12. We'll be doing a summit pretty soon where you get to meet some of the people in the film. So if you just sign up there, we have a email newsletter and we'll give you all the updates of our stuff.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
And do you have any parting messages for our audience?
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Melissa Tittle
Probably the same thing that I would tell little Melissa. Whatever you're feeling deep down inside, it's all true. Don't have any doubts. Just go for it. Feel it.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
Melissa. Melissa, thank you so much for coming on the show. I could talk to you for another hour or two. This is so much fun. It was so much fun talking to you. Like you go down these rabbit holes and you could just. Just. Anunnaki is an hour alone, you know, or the Gnostics are an hour alone. Or the pyramids make it out alive.
- [73:14]
Melissa Tittle
Because of the Gnostics. Right? Forget stimulation the Gnostics.
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Podcast Host / Interviewer
I appreciate you, my dear. Thanks again.
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Melissa Tittle
All right, take care. Thank you.
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Melissa Tittle
Foreign.
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