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Next Level Soul Podcast with Alex Ferrari
FLASHBACK FRIDAYS: FUTURE MIRACLES? WORLD-RENOWNED SCIENTIST Shares FUTURE VISION of HOPE! with Dr. Zach Bush
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Dr. Zach Bush discusses the deep spiritual and scientific aspects of life, emphasizing the interconnectedness of all beings and the importance of surrendering to the Divine. He highlights his unique medical background, including internal medicine,...
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Ryan Seacrest
Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway this new year. Don't forget about the little ones in the family. Now through January 27th. Shop in store and online and save $10 when you buy two or more of your favorite baby care items. Shop for items like Happy Baby Formula, Pampers Pure Diapers, Pampers Baby Wipes, Pampers, Swaddler's Diapers, Pampers Cruisers Diapers and Similac Powder formulas. And save $10 when you buy two participating products. Offer ends January 27th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.
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Katie Whelan
If you're feeling exhausted, puffy, anxious, foggy, gaining weight, or just not like yourself, you're not imagining it. Women in their 30s, 40s, and 50s are experiencing massive hormonal shifts and no one is explaining what's actually happening. I'm Katie Whelan, co founder of Joy. I built Joy because I lived this. The fatigue, the mood swings, the weight changes, the confusion. Your symptoms are biological. The not personal and AI generated lab reports won't fix them. EveryJoy lab includes a visit with a licensed clinician who specializes in women's hormones and connects every biomarker to how you feel energy metabolism, mood, sleep, skin weight, everything. Then we personalize real solutions hormone therapy, peptide therapy, supplements and lifestyle protocols. Get started@joyandblogues.com today. This month, new customers get 50% off labs and you can add our estrogen face cream for just $1 with clinician approv. Use promo code podcast@joyandblokes.com Are you ready.
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Dr. Zach Bush
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Alex Ferrari
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Dr. Zach Bush
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Alex Ferrari
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Dr. Zach Bush
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Alex Ferrari
Welcome to Next Level Soul, the place where we deep dive into the mysteries of existence, uncover hidden layers of consciousness, and explore the journey of the soul. I'm your host Alex Ferrari, and every week we sit down with the world's leading spiritual teachers, mystics, scientists and truth seekers to Illuminate the path towards awakening. Here we ask questions that truly matter. Why are we here? Where are we going? And how do we elevate our lives, our purpose and our consciousness to the next level? This is a space for transformation, a space for expansion, a space to remember who you really are. So take a deep breath, open your mind, and prepare to step into your next level soul. Now, if you're ready to take your spiritual journey to the next level, explore Next Level Soul tv. Our streaming platform filled with exclusive movies, docs, original shows, transformative series, guided meditations, channeling sessions, audiobooks and deep spiritual teachings you won't find anywhere else. New content drops every week, helping you expand your consciousness and live from your highest potential. Start your journey today at Next LevelSoul TV. The views, opinions and statements expressed by our guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect the beliefs or positions of Next Level Soul, its host, or any of the companies they represent. Now let's dive into today's episode. Like to welcome to the show, Dr. Zach Bush. How you doing, Zach?
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Dr. Zach Bush
What a pleasure to be here. I'm really glad to be with you.
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Alex Ferrari
Alex, man, thank you so much for coming. I've. I've really, really, really been looking forward to this conversation with you, man, because I, I love your work. I love what you're trying to do in the world and what you are doing in the world to help try to awaken people to a lot of different things, both from the scientific side, but you also dabble in the spiritual side as well. And I'm really interested to go down the rabbit hole. I think there's multiple rabbit holes we're going to go down. But you are a triple. Is it certified? Three time certified board? Please tell me I'm, I'm horrible at this actually.
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Dr. Zach Bush
I mean, in some ways this is a part of my past. But I got three board specialties in medicine, internal medicine, then endocrinology and metabolism, which is the study of hormones and ultimately energy production in the body with metabolism. And that gets into the mitochondria which live inside our cells. And then the third subspecialty was kind of as I was exiting my 17 years in academia, I started Nutrition center for focusing on reversing chronic disease through our connection to food and mother Earth. And in that process was needing another job and needing to make money. So I actually got a third subspecialty in hospice and palliative care and was a hospice director for four years doing end of life care. So that's, you know, in some ways it was the very beginning of my career birthing babies in the Philippines. I was going into engineering and then took a hard left turn after that trip and went into medicine. So it was really birthing babies on the front end and then doing the death doula kind of process of hospice at the back end of my career that I think gave me the opportunity to have a really unique look into the. We might call it a spiritual reality, but it's the energetic reality of what it means to be an identity, what it means to have an identity. And watching that come in and exit the human experience, I think gave me a unique perspective to start on a very deep deconstructive process of changing my own mindset and my own concept of self. And so while I don't feel like I'm helping other people towards any kind of spiritual awareness, I've been able to at least be transparent about my own journey into the loss of the frameworks of the stories that I had grown up being told, as they just weren't fitting my own life experience. Watch enough births of a child and you watch enough deaths of an elder, and you realize these don't fit anybody's one story. There's something more beautiful, something more whole happening to each one of us. And so I'm just on a mad pursuit of learning that and experiencing that in my own body, because I'm pretty sure I can die before my body's gone. And if I can really die to myself thoroughly, I'm curious to see what bursts out of that.
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Alex Ferrari
That's beautifully said, sir. Beautifully said. So, yeah, your perspective of starting your career birthing children's children in the Philippines, how many kids did you bring into the world? How many souls did you bring into the world?
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Dr. Zach Bush
I mean, through that experience and then later in the OB GYN world. And I thought I was going to go into OB for some time, and it's hundreds. Never kept track of it, I suppose. But yeah, it was a lot of babies coming in as all of those.
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Alex Ferrari
As all of those souls are coming in. What was the thing that you kind of kept seeing that you're like, this is very interesting because this is the birth of life. Life is fighting to come into this reality, to come into this simulation, this existence. What was the thing that caught you off guard when you started to continuously see that? And then we'll go to the other end in a second.
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Dr. Zach Bush
Yeah. The level of genius that is exhibited in the formation of a human inside the womb of woman has never been measured. We've figured out the Structure of atoms. We've figured out the extent of the universe, we've dissected nearly every physical feature of the world to sort through how things work. Not a single scientist has even been able to put together a theory on how this happens because it's frankly just beyond any human comprehension. How a single cell can begin a self differentiation process where it splits into 70 trillion cells and then somehow each of those 70 trillion cells knows where to go in a three dimensional map to then differentiate into a very specific cell with a completely radically different shape, function, genomic expression, kidney, ce, you know, one millionth of an inch within the border of, you know, a fibrous tissue cell. And yet they have exactly, they know exactly who they are, they know exactly why they are right where they are. And so the, the intricate scale of the tininess of the mechanisms of a human body and how everything knows how to become that, nobody has a clue. No, no, it's definitely not in the cell. That information doesn't exist. Inside the human DNA, for example, there's no information. There's a blueprint inside, there's no blueprint. You are self organizing the womb of your mother into something that we might call human. And then it's compounded by the reality of, you know, your connection to nature actually shaping the body every millionth of a second. So every millionth of a second, the atomic structure of a human body dissolves and reappears, as does this table. And so anything solid is anything but solid. It's actually a momentary physical expression of light. And so when you start to realize, okay, somehow we are these energetic centers, these extremely intense concentrations of light energy to become physical matter. And in that extreme light energy, we have the ability to coordinate communication, to adhere to this greater map, this greater design of beauty that is unfolding in nature. All of that is to say that it's beyond the word miracle. It's this is to, to see the face of a child coming into this world and taking its first breath. You are in the physical presence of the genius of the universe in its totality. I don't think the universe has done anything more magnificent than birth life. And so that's a bit of the discovery that I began into. And I could not have articulated any of that When I was 19 years old, my first experiences of birthing children. But, but as a kid, you know, 19 year olds, you, the beauty of being 19 is you think you've got everything figured out. And the beauty thing, you know, you think the world is your oyster and everything's gonna go like, I'm in control here. I got, and then I saw that first baby come out and I was like, oh, no, I don't think I know anything. And I don't, I, I, I don't even know if I belong here on the planet. Was one of the experiences, like, really, this doesn't seem, I don't feel like I deserve to even witness this. The power that is in a woman to do what she does in that process of surrendering her body to source, to create within her is something that the male psyche can't really comprehend in the way in which we've currently been trained. And I think a lot of our religious and spiritual practices are a lot about that. How do you go on a path to radical surrender of your own space to let God create through it? And so that's some of the things that were seated in my consciousness in those years in the Philippines or that time in the Philippines and in the years that subsequently happened. I had the blessing of seeing the contrast between these incredible group of international midwives that trusted that feminine power so much that as they walked into the room with a woman that was in labor, they immediately ended up endowed her with the confidence, the capacity to do this miraculous thing called child labor and birth.
- [11:48]
Alex Ferrari
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
- [11:51]
Ryan Seacrest
Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway this new year. Don't forget about the little ones in the family. Now through January 27th. Shop in store and online and save $10 when you buy two or more your favorite baby care items. Shop for items like Happy Baby Formula, Pampers, Pure Diapers, Pampers Baby Wipes, Pampers, Swaddler's Diapers, Pampers Cruisers diapers, and Similac Powder formulas. And save $10 when you buy two participating products. Offer ends January 27th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.
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Katie Whelan
If you're feeling exhausted, puffy, anxious, foggy, gaining weight, or just not like yourself, you're not imagining it. Women in their 30s, 40s, and 50s are experiencing massive hormonal shifts and no one is explaining what's actually happening. I'm Katie Whelan, co founder of Joy. I built Joy because I lived this. The fatigue, the mood swings, the weight changes, the confusion. Your symptoms are biological, not personal, and AI generated lab reports won't fix them. Every Joy lab includes a visit with a licensed clinician who specializes in women's hormones and connects every biomarker to how you feel. Energy metabolism, mood Sleep, skin weight, everything. Then we personalize real solutions. Hormone therapy, peptide therapy, supplements, and lifestyle protocols. Get started@joyandblokes.com today. This month, new customers get 50% off labs. And you can add our estrogen face cream for just $1 with clinician approval. Use promo code podcast@joyandblokes.com.
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Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
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Dr. Zach Bush
Contrasted with my experience within a couple years in the medical system where every woman was told that this was a highly risky thing and this was a pathology more than a miracle. And watch the difference between those two worlds and how women are just systematically disempowered in our current society and our current medical systems. And it's not limited to the medical system. I think women are, you know, disempowered from this miraculous capacity that they have within them. To have a human womb is unbelievable in its ability to bring forth a child. But what I've slowly been learning is that womb space, that creative center, is available anybody, anytime, male, female, to create from. So there's an energy center deep in our core that we can surrender to source to create through. So really interesting possibility that our greatest work comes when we blind ourselves to the. To the whole process, when we are so willing to turn it over to something bigger than ourselves that we can't even see the process. And that's basically what's happening when one cell turns into 70 trillion. We cannot see that process. The way in which a womb works is to blind us to itself, basically. And so, uh, the woman uses progesterone to do this. And so progesterone is a potent immune block. And so her immune system cannot see what's going on there. Her neurologic system cannot see what's going on in there. And so to allow a ch. Another being to form inside of you, you have to keep it so blanketed that you can't see it. Because if for a moment the woman saw that thing, her immune system would destroy it, because the immune system would see it as foreign material and destroy it. It's probably the most potent example that we have of what does it mean to be with God? What does it mean to be God? It means to surrender yourself to the processes of the universe and its creative force so profoundly that you can't even see what's going on. You can't figure it out. You can't go make it better. You can't fix this thing. And for that, I have severe concerns around our whole concept that's emerged around biohacking. I don't think It's a good idea to try to hack something that's that miraculous. I think we need to surrender to the creative force within us rather than try to micromanage and hack with our limited intelligence. Right.
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Alex Ferrari
And there seems to be this trend now among billionaires or very, very rich men specifically. I haven't seen a woman do it yet that are coming out, trying to basically live forever and thinking that they can hack themselves by taking obscene amounts of this or obscene amounts of that or this kind of supplement to try to hack their, their genome, even to hack their DNA to keep it going longer. It, it, it's, it doesn't seem right to me. In, in many ways, I'm all about, listen, you take vitamins, I take vitamins. I, I hope you, I mean, do, do you take vitamins?
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Dr. Zach Bush
I don't.
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Alex Ferrari
You don't. So there you go. You don't take vitamins? I take vitamins. But, but you eat probably healthy enough that you get every nutrition and micronutrients and all that stuff that you need for your microbiome and so on. So we take care of ourselves. You and I are both 27. We've aged horribly.
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Dr. Zach Bush
Or I'm 95, one of the 2, 95. And you look really great.
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Alex Ferrari
But I'm all about that. But it seems like there's this talk of AI going into the system and basically just constantly checking your system to like, oh, you're low on potassium, inject potassium. Oh, you're low in magnesium, inject magnesium to keep the system going. What do you think? What are your thoughts on that?
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Dr. Zach Bush
Yeah. Both the biohacking movement and the medical community at large have treated the human body as if it's a chemistry phenomenon. And we're not, we're a biology phenomenon. The reason it treats us as a chemistry problem is because chemistry is super simple. Sodium plus chloride, you get salt. You can measure the electrolytes in a human body quite easily. For $4, you can find out if your sodium is good, your potassium, all these things. And so your electrolytes are measured. And so you can say, ah, you need more calcium or you need more magnesium. I did that for years as a doctor and it turns out that it never works. What's happening inside the body with those electrolytes have very little to do with those electrolytes. It has to do with what is life creating inside your body. But the reason we need the reductionist belief systems of like, here's what we can measure in your blood chemistry, or here's what we can measure in Your REM sleep with your aura ring. Here's the data. We've done that because we cannot freaking figure out biology because it's a miracle inside of every cell. And so we talked about one cell turning into 70 trillion cells and the miraculous nature of that, that level of miracle is happening in every single one of those cells as well. And so every single cell is a black box as to how that stuff figures itself out. And so I was a cell biologist for, you know, still am. I still run my cell biology lab in, in Virginia. And we get to peer through microscopes every day. We now have these incredible computer aided systems now that what used to take us four hours to get a single high powered image on our microscope, we can do 96 times 7. So we can do 650 experiments in four minutes with these robots that are now doing these things for us. And so the speed at which we can get information is extreme. And we haven't learned anything more, in a sense, because all we keep seeing, if you're really honest with yourself, is miracles. And so it's.
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Alex Ferrari
And the ego can't.
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Dr. Zach Bush
The ego can't handle that. And so we keep diminishing the miracle down to something we can measure. And what we can measure is not life. Life is too complex. Life is actually a system of relationships. And something as complex as human life is a system of millions of species, not actual organisms, millions of species interacting. And so when you get into that level of complexity and you're up in 14, quadrillion, mitochondria, 1.4 quadrillion bacteria, 5,6 trillion fungal elements in a human body, there's so much going on in a human body that to actually understand the whole of it is impossible. And so we try to break down the system to look at these little elements to find tracking metrics that then correlate with life, health, disease, whatever it is. But at best, we're doing the breadcrumb thing. And the real danger of doing a breadcrumb thing is then presented as if it's the truth. And this is where I think we've seen those recent five years really take us down a deep, dark hole in public health. Because we were told, trust the science. As a scientist, that doesn't even make sense. That sentence doesn't make sense. There's nothing to trust in science like trusting the science makes it sound like there's a body of truth. Science is a process, not a bank of truth. And so somehow the word science got transmuted to mean truth instead of a process of understanding. And so science is an inherent, you know, process. It's a journey into discovery. It's, it's a process of, by which we have created the opportunity to explore miracles that will never be understood by a human mind, but will be felt every day. And so where I've been going the last 15 years is doing less and less studies on my patients in regards to their chemistries and their labs and their imaging and all that. And do more and more focus on what do you feel inside your body and then turn it over to them to rebirth themselves. Everybody has the information inside of them that they used to self form in their mother's womb. That never left you because you're still doing it. Every millionth of a second I have to remap this body and remanifest light into particle and put it back in the same order so that I look like me another millionth of a second.
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Alex Ferrari
So to hold on to the, to the code, if we're in the matrix, to hold on to the code that makes Zach, Zack and Alex. Alex. It's constantly remapping itself throughout the day and throughout our entire lifetime. It's constantly, every millisecond this is happening. And then I always, always like to ask a doctor, specifically someone like yourself, why the hell do we age? Because we're rebuilding our bodies. Every, you know, you have a new skin every how many days, you have a new heart, every so many days, you have a new brain, every, I mean, months or something like that. I don't know what the time.
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Dr. Zach Bush
Every seven years every cell is turned over.
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Alex Ferrari
Yeah. So every seven years you have a brand new Zach, brand new Alice and various variations and within those seven years of different things. But why are we aging and not staying at the peak? Let's say I would love to be at 23.
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Dr. Zach Bush
Yeah. Physically that would be an ideal age.
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Alex Ferrari
Not mentally.
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Dr. Zach Bush
Yeah. Well, between 23 and 29. Mentally too. No, mentally, like not experientially. Yeah.
- [22:48]
Alex Ferrari
The capacity.
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Dr. Zach Bush
Yeah. I wish you had an experience of a 90 year old and a 23 year old brain.
- [22:52]
Alex Ferrari
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. So. But what is the science and also just what is your take on why we age? If you can explain it to in a layman way.
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Dr. Zach Bush
We want to.
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Alex Ferrari
It's us. That's what I've heard. We want to age because we see other people aging. So we age.
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Dr. Zach Bush
No, I think it's even deeper than that. I think we don't want to be here forever. I think we want a finite experience. And so the soul, which is a fractal of God, is how I would think of it, is a geometry that's permanent.
- [23:23]
Alex Ferrari
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
- [23:26]
Ryan Seacrest
Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway this new year. Don't forget about the little ones in the family. Now through January 27th. Shop in store and online and save $10 when you buy two or more of your favorite baby care items. Shop for items like Happy Baby Formula, Pampers Pure Diapers, Pampers Baby Wipes, Pampers, Swaddlers, Diapers, Pampers Cruisers Diapers and Similac Powder formulas. And save $10 when you buy two participating products. Offer ends January 27th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.
- [23:57]
Katie Whelan
If you're feeling exhausted, puffy, anxious, foggy, gaining weight, or just not like yourself, you're not imagining it. Women in their 30s, 40s and 50s are experiencing massive hormones, hormonal shifts and no one is explaining what's actually happening. I'm Katie Whelan, co founder of joy. I built Joy because I lived this. The fatigue, the mood swings, the weight changes, the confusion. Your symptoms are biological, not personal, and AI generated lab reports won't fix them. Every Joy lab includes a visit with a licensed clinician who specializes in women's hormones and connects every biomarker to how you feel, energy metabolism, mood, sleep, skin weight, everything. Then we personalize real solutions, hormone therapy, peptide therapy, supplements and lifestyle protocols. Get started@joyandblogues.com today. This month, new customers get 50% off labs and you can add our estrogen face cream for just $1 with clinician approval. Use promo code podcast@joyanblokes.com.
- [25:00]
Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
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Dr. Zach Bush
And this is what I definitely learned in the second bookend of my career. Death is not an endpoint. That is a massive rebirth. It is a massive reconnection. But I've seen so many near death experiences where people are going back and forth across the veil over and over again and they've told me the most magnificent stories. I mean the near death experiences are just so lovely. I mean, every one of them just makes you warm and just like sit back and chuckle at yourself that you think anything is real, that you're sitting here perceiving. And so I love near death experience experience for that like, reorientation of like, oh yeah, this is all fake. Everything we're doing is a dream and we wake back up into this bigger reality as soon as we dip a pass and the interesting thing about all those near death experiences, they'll travel the cosmos. They go to a distant planet, they meet their ancestors, they do all this. They never miss the I am. Their identity is permanent, is unwavering. The second, you know, the millisecond they let go of the human conscious, they're still I am. There's no gap between I'm Zach and I am. The I am. That this is deep to me is permanent and unwavering and every millionth of a second is the same. That identity unchanging, has an experience that I've heard many times is, oh my gosh, everything is perfect. I am fully accepted. I'm connected. Everything the cosmos is around, the journey is perfect. Everything is perfect. My human experience was just perfect. That being, why would you want not just stay there? Like if, if everything's perfect all the time and you're connected to everything, you see the light and everything's glory and you're in, in the ocean of love. We want a finite experience so that we can see the beauty that we are contrast. You want to have the separation so that you can look back at the beauty of everything. And we see this in nature a lot. And you go watch a sunset and the humans are lined up there in awe. You know, we sit there in three hour meditation while the sky goes through all its color changes and then the dark sets in, the moon comes up and the stars come out and we're just in awe. And we sit. None of the other species are sitting there paying attention to any of that. They are it. The birds of the air are the sunset. And they settle into the tree because it is sunset, but it is sunset. The sunset is an it is I am moment for them. And so there's no pondering of the colors. And they're not all meditating on, well, what could happen tomorrow. They're fully presenced. Yeah. And there's no questioning of their connection to everything. It's this unique state of being human and being a finite experience where we are aging. We have this temporal experience of the perspectives on reality from a distance. And it's kind of like Archimedes, you know, saying, if you give me a platform, I'll move the earth with a lever. You know, if you give me a platform away from nature, if you split my consciousness away from God, I will see it and I will be able to see it and feel it differently than I can when I'm fully connected and part of it. And so I think we are signing up probably through what makes Sense to me as a very select and unique blessing to be picked for this journey. Right.
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Alex Ferrari
And also at this time in history.
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Dr. Zach Bush
No greater time, maybe you know this. Every 70,000 years it seems humans go through this massive epoch shift. And we're right in the middle of that end of a 70,000 year cycle and the beginning of the next. And we don't know if we hold on to these bodies in the next, you know, we may go through a massive metamorphosis rather than survival of our current biology because of what's been cooked into our biology in the last hundred years may be inescapable. We may have doomed ourselves to biologic extinction. But biologic extinction is not the same as energetic extinction. What do our souls want to learn from that human experience and go on to do? And can we do that fast enough while we're still in the body to transform these bodies to survive what we've created and really transform the suffering and the separation fast enough and early enough that we can actually stay and play in these biologies. And so those are all possibilities that sit in front of us.
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Alex Ferrari
So the thing that's really interesting about your work and you've spoken about this before is, and I haven't really never heard anyone else put it together like this, the shift that's happening in humanity right now, we can all feel it, We've been feeling it probably since the.
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Dr. Zach Bush
Early 2000s or late 60s. Like there was just such a massive awakening, right?
- [29:36]
Alex Ferrari
Yeah, so there was. I think those were the seeds. I think those were the beginnings of the seeds.
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Dr. Zach Bush
The dawning, dawning of Aquarius maybe. Exactly.
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Alex Ferrari
There was a lot of weed, organic.
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Dr. Zach Bush
Weed, of course, they hadn't got glyphosate yet. Yes, exactly.
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Alex Ferrari
They had some nice clean weed back then, but. So that was the beginning stages of it. But it's still even in our lifetime, the speed of things. You know, I remember the 70s, I remember the 80s and the 90s, and I started this. I, if you look back, you're like, oh, stuff started to speed up and speed up. And I looked at it in my industry, which is the film industry. It's like we had movies and that was in movies in theaters forever. Like that was the thing movies weren't. Then this VHS thing showed up that hung out for a little while, about a decade, 15 years blockbuster, then block, of course blockbuster. But then DVD showed up and DVD picked up even faster and it was, it started to, it started to go obsolete faster than the VHS did. Then Blu Ray came out, then streaming came out. And then. And that. And that happened to all. But so I started seeing all the technology speeding up. Things are starting to speed up now. It feels like every year is 10 years. I mean, every year since 2020 has been so intense, so insane. This year is no different. And it seems to be getting more sped up, more crazy. But what you've been able to. You said in another interview, which I thought was so brilliant, is that what we've done to ourselves biologically and to the earth environmentally is what is a catalyst for a lot of the chaos that's happening in socioeconomic and, you know, in finance, in media, in medicine and all these things. It's a parallel. Can you kind of dive into that a bit?
- [31:31]
Dr. Zach Bush
Yeah. I think what we've gotten used to is activists running around telling us how evil human behavior is and how the oil companies are the problem and Monsanto is the problem, and Bayer's the problem, and Western medicine is the problem, and pharmaceuticals are the problem, and vaccines are the problem, and governments are the problem. The FDA is the problem. CDC is the problem. The WHO is the problem. World Economic Forum is the problem. Davos is the problem. That's what we're used to, is looking outside of ourselves and coming up with a thousand reasons as to who's an idiot, who's not thinking right, who's exploiting us. Who's the. Who's the dark force? Yeah. And we've spent so much time being programmed to look outside of ourselves for stories and experiences that justify the way that we feel inside. At some point in the journey, we don't have enough mental energy to maintain the stories. And that egoic belief that all of our problems are outside of ourselves. And that's this wonderful moment that we might be taking ourselves to, is we might have had to poison our entire food system and soil systems and take biology on the entire planet to a metabolic utter collapse, which we've done in order to see through the veil in these bodies. Because the dense shield of the ego that's dominated the human experience for at least thousands of years and has bred our empire, rise and fall. Exploitation of ecosystems, the exploitation of children and women, the exploitation and killing of men at younger and younger ages, in war or otherwise, we're going to keep repeating that pattern as we see unfolding in Ukraine, Gaza, Israel, Syria, you name the place. The United states and the CIA has been a part of 78 wars globally over the last 50 years. And so we're going to keep that going for as long as we can't see past this belief system of we are separate from everything, and therefore we have to war for everything. What can dismantle such a dense belief system? What can dismantle a universal belief that we are separate from nature? If you ask anybody, are you separate from nature? Are you really separate from nature? Is nature devoid in your body? They'll sit there and be like, no, no, no, I'm part of nature. But if you go read the Oxford English Dictionary, it says that nature is everything in the firmament of the earth. The minerals, the plants, the animals, as opposed to humans or anything humans have made. So we didn't just write ourselves out in nature. We writ ourselves into opposition with nature in our definition. And that's what groupthink does. You ask any individual, are you outside of nature? Are you separate from nature? No. No. But you ask any group of people, is nature for you or against you? We. We go immediately to this. Well, we gotta protect ourselves from germs. We gotta protect ourselves from macroeconomies. We got to protect ourselves from the Chinese or the Russians or the thing. What? Like, how is it that as soon as we put five or six or ten human brains together, suddenly we are outside of nature? And I believe it's because of this vibrational, you know, kind of harmonic that we can hit together is our egoic brain. Does believe we're separate, does believe we're rejected. Therefore, the ego.
- [34:56]
Alex Ferrari
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
- [34:59]
Ryan Seacrest
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- [35:30]
Katie Whelan
If you're feeling exhausted, puffy, anxious, foggy, gaining weight, or just not like yourself, you're not imagining it. Women in their 30s, 40s, and 50s are experiencing massive hormonal shifts, and no one is explaining what's actually happening. I'm Katie Whelan, co founder of Joy. I built Joy because I lived this. The fatigue, the mood swings, the weight changes, the confusion. Your symptoms are biological, not personal, and AI generated lab reports won't fix them. Every Joy Lab includes A visit with a licensed clinician who specializes in women's hormones and connects every biomarker to how you feel. Energy, metabolism, mood, sleep, skin weight, everything. Then we personalize real solutions. Hormone therapy, peptide therapy, supplements and lifestyle protocols. Get started@joyandblogues.com today. This month, new customers get 50% off labs and you can add our estrogen face cream for just $1 with clinician approval. Use promo code podcast@joyamblokes.com.
- [36:32]
Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
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Dr. Zach Bush
And so you put a few of those together and suddenly we're in this alternate reality of nature against humans. And in that reality, the only logical thing is I need more comfort, I need more convenience, I need no more protection for all that, I need more wealth. There's only a few hours in the day. I'm not able to build 17 houses a week. And so since I can't be productive enough to create that wealth, I'm have to create an abstract economy in which I extract from distant people that I can't see. And so I need to put a food system under slave labor. I need my commodities market to be slave labor to China and South Asia and all that, to make my jeans so that I can wear pants for $15. You know, we, we create all these abstract economies to justify and hide slave labor for the convenience and sense of safety and that sense of wellness, sense of economic capacity, that's all fake. And so we're doing all that. So what, what would it take if, if world wars aren't enough to wake us up and continue to iterate? I think the only thing left was let's put poison ourselves to the point where we don't have enough energy left to keep these stories going. And so we may be taking ourselves into this pattern of complete utter collapse of the biology so that we can just for a moment see the truth is that we were birthed here through our own intelligence. We can say it's God, but it's really you, your soul. Knit that thing together in your mother's womb and you are here iterating a life that's aging so that it can see all the beauty of a world from all the different perspectives. Sitting with my grandfather on a veranda while he smoked cigarettes to his death was a different experience than sitting on the floor building Legos with my son at age 2. He's got such a different perspective at age 2 than the 82 year old grandfather who's dying of his cigarette smoking. And they're both beautiful. And so why do we Age. I think it's because we want to. Because we want to see all of the beauty of the world in this finite couple breasts that we call human. Infinite soul wants to see it from every one of those perspectives.
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Alex Ferrari
This shift that we're going through right now, this cycle that's ending, it seems that it's very similar to our personal journey. It mirrors our personal journey. Our collective journey is mirroring our personal journey, which is. I don't know about you, but there were moments in my life where I didn't listen to the nudges of the universe. And the sledgehammer comes, starts as a whisper, then a tap, then a nudge, and then the sledgehammer comes. And we are now in the sledgehammer portion of our collective. We didn't listen for years and now we're at that place where we got to go to rock bottom. And it might be to a rock bottom that we cannot come back out of on a biological, biological level, biological framework, or just change completely from what we know.
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Dr. Zach Bush
And that's laid out in a lot of texts that you study, you know, from Yogananda on down. If you look at the Judeo Christian side or you look at this perspective that would be put out there by any of the lineages you've studied, it's all pointing us to this thing, this thing of an awakening, right? We're going to wake up. And here's the path to awakening up. So we have a Christ figure or a Yogananda disappearing at very young ages. And the experience that they left behind was a message of this truth is inherent to everything. You don't have to go find it. It's inside of you. You don't need a teacher, you don't need a guru. You don't need. This is the gurus telling us this, like, stop putting me on the pedestal. I'm here to tell you it's inside of you. Look inside. Look inside. We have no place else to look when we completely collapse. And so when we think of an illness, whether it be mental health or the flu, we end up in bed. We get to these points of sickness that we have branded as a bad thing so that we can rebirth. I believe that the body uses these moments of collapse to give you enough stillness so you begin the birthing process again. I hit my major depression in 2009, 2010. I had to go that low where I'm contemplating on a daily basis an exit strategy to get out of my human body. I had to get there before I was still enough. Because before that, I was a mad machine of productivity. I was working 100 hours a week in hospitals, I was raising my kids, I had started construction, company building houses. I was building my own house in the woods. Like it turns out, you know, 24 hours times seven. That's pretty amazing. You've got like 168 hours a week. Like, oh my gosh, go dude. Like there's so many hours in a week. Like you can pour it in like 40 hour work week. Great. I can work three jobs at once, sleep for four hours. Look at how productive that's drive that was inside of me. And it was insane. It wasn't healthy, it wasn't good for my marriage, it wasn't good for my kids, it wasn't good for me. I had to. The frenetic energy inside of me was, was this, I think ultimately fear, guilt, shame paradigm that I wasn't enough, I wasn't doing enough, I wasn't providing enough, wasn't experiencing enough. And I had to crash that ship completely until. So that it would hold still. And one of those first times that I held still was at the end of 2009 when I was just. I had nothing left. I was. My research had been shut down by pharmaceutical company and 17 years of academia now wasn't making sense. I thought I was going to be a lifetime academician. I thought I was going to be the chair of the department. I thought, you know, then dean of the med school. Like I had this beautiful 40 year career that they had mapped out for me of like, you'll do this and then you'll do this and you'll get awards every year. We'll make sure we give you a plaque every year. And so I already had a wall of plaques that were just like junk, like plastic things that had my name on. Why? What is this thing? What, what am I doing here? I couldn't figure out what I was doing here. So I had to crash that thing completely. And in that silence, I just started calling out to, to the universe, God, divine, whatever. I couldn't even put a word. I was just like, please, if there's a way for me to be a living sacrifice, keep me alive and use this body for something else. But this isn't working. Like, this is clearly a poor use of a human genius, a human miracle put me into something else. And it was just that stillness and that surrender. And then my womb of a life turned back on and I started creating stuff that I couldn't imagine just a few months earlier. And so companies came through and ideas for the Future came through, and the nature started birthing itself through the womb of a human. And I have experience being a generative center for a long time now. Sometimes the projects go really well sometimes. A lot of times project seems like peter out. But they cited a lot of us on the way. They're all doing something in the field that I don't understand. And I've stopped metricing them of like, they made money or they didn't make money, or they were there for three years, they were there for three months as an idea never came to fruition. We have to stop worrying about and defining the success of our ideas based on their economic impact. Is an idea coming through. Let that thing burst through and see what it has, and it's a thing of its own, and it's coming through you, which means it's probably coming through dozens of other humans on the planet. Can you attract them to you so that you suddenly have a team of 12 people that are visioning this thing in rather than you taking on as a personal burden of like, oh, I had this vision, now I have to go do it. But I had to crash the ship just as you were talking about with the sledgehammer effect. And I've had to do it multip since then. And what I've found is that it's much more effective for me to just intentionally run into the wall every morning as soon as I wake up, just be like, smash it into the wall and stop for a moment and be like, you know, just. And for me, the smash into the wall thing tends to be, you know, an intentional process of silence. If you can bring even a small part of you into silence, it becomes the wall that everything else will smash into. So all my busy thoughts, all of my, you know, drive and this, like, adrenaline of like, let's go do what's my email, what's my WhatsApp, what's the things? Who's gonna crash all of that into the silence for a moment and then let the day birth for you again today? And it's been a lot more effective way to be alive, ultimately. And it's not easy because it's, I think, challenged the relationships and work around me in particular, because I'm not a typical, you know, founder, CEO kind of guy like most people. Like, I mean, I'm an exit strategy in four years. I'm like, I don't even know if I'll be out of the womb in four years. I know it's an idea that it looks like it could change the world. Maybe it's good now. Maybe it's relevant in 300 years. But I, I don't understand. I certainly don't have that mind inside of me that's like, I'm going to raise the capital and do the thing and KPIs and ROAS and like all those acronyms and things and things. I'm like, so that would be make a good business. But is that the way that nature wants to work through me? And I've found that no, nature's not actually awesome. Not concerned about that ROAS of the idea. And so I don't take any vitamins.
- [46:11]
Alex Ferrari
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
- [46:14]
Ryan Seacrest
Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway this new year. Don't forget about the little ones in the family now through January 27th, shop in store and online and save $10 when you buy two more of your favorite baby care items. Shop for items like Happy Baby Formula, Pampers, Pure Diapers, Pampers Baby Wipes, Pampers, Swaddlers, Diapers, Pampers Cruisers Diapers, and Similac Powder formulas. And save $10 when you buy two participating products. Offer ends January 27th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.
- [46:45]
Katie Whelan
If you're feeling exhausted, puffy, anxious, foggy, gaining weight, or just not like yourself, you're not imagining it. Women in their 30s, 40s, and 50s are experiencing massive hormonal shifts, and no one is explaining what's actually happening. I'm Katie Whelan, co founder of joy. I built Joy because I lived this. The fatigue, the mood swings, the weight changes, the confusion. Your symptoms are biological, not personal, and AI generated lab reports won't fix them. Every Joy Lab includes a visit with a licensed clinician who specializes in women's hormones and connects every biomarker to how you feel. Energy metabolism, mood, sleep, skin weight, everything. Then we personalize real solutions. Hormone therapy, peptide therapy, supplements and lifestyle protocols. Get started@joyandblogues.com today. This month, new customers get 50% off labs and you can add our estrogen face cream for just $1 with clinician approval. Use promo code podcast@joyandblokes.com.
- [47:48]
Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
- [47:51]
Dr. Zach Bush
But I've been drinking dirt water for 15 years now, and that's what came through me was nature revealing that fossil soils had the missing link between our old biology and this new disease of biology today. And so our team started extracting those soil elements about 15 years ago and put Those into supplements more than a dozen years ago. And so we have these liquid supplements that people all over the world are now drinking that are tying them back to the real, original intelligence of the microbiome. And it turns out that's the intelligence by which we coordinate life within the mother's womb or within our body that has to rebirth every millionth of a second. You have to have wireless communication network up and running to achieve that, because if one cell can't talk to the other, you start to fundamentally age faster, and you start to this process of disease, of disconnection or isolation at the cellular level. And so we were very blessed by a whole series of events to discover that, you know, the soil is making that communication network and that our modern soils around the world today that have uniformly been poisoned by chemicals that disrupt that communication network, Nature has been graceful enough to leave us a record of that in her fossil soils. And so 60 million years ago, before the last extinction, she put rich data banks of information in this wireless communication network into her reservoir there. That would be the antidote to the glyphosate that we're pouring into our soils today. And so this makes me believe that Earth is an organism. And that organism is far more intelligent and is probably working in a fifth dimensional environment where she's never allowed an injury to occur in the future that already doesn't have a solution. And so she's a generative engine that already knows all of the potential stressors in her own system and has built an environment in which those can be ameliorated by more connections.
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Alex Ferrari
Beautifully said, sir. Beautifully said. I wanted to go back for a second on something you talked about when you were in hospice and you saw so many souls leaving in that nd, in those NDE experiences, Did you ever see or have a personal, like, shared death experience or something like that, though you felt it in the room. And what were some of the common things that all of them said or saw as they were? Because I've heard, I've had many other hospice professionals on the show and then also mediums and things like that who tell me what is happening during the deathbed cycle? Who comes, how many days before they come? Things like that. I'm curious from your point of view, what you saw.
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Dr. Zach Bush
Yeah, there's a lot of moments where I just regret that I wasn't more awake at that time than a. Than I was. But even in the state that I was in where I was slowly coming up out of my dream of the 3D realm and starting to be able to feel the multi dimensional stuff. I was very, very young in that process at that point that I was doing the hospice work. And so I'd say I was experiencing it from the perspective of a non expert in death in the sense that when you get a medium in here, you get somebody who's working with multidimensionals or elementals. These people have come in or have developed a gift of understanding the multi dimensionals, feeling it, communicating with it that I certainly didn't have at that point and barely have at this point. And so that's my disclaimer is like you're now going to listen to the perspective of somebody who was so dominantly believing the three dimensional reality. And so I was seeing. There's a scripture actually that I think really resonates here is that I was seeing through the glass darkly. That's a scripture from Psalms, I believe. And we see through the glass darkly is the scripture. And what it's describing is the experience of stained glass in a church. And so you look through stained glass and you get a sense of oh yeah, there's some sunshine back there or it's nighttime, or maybe there's a shadow that passes if somebody walks in front of the window. But you certainly can't see any detail. That's what it says humans are always doing. We're looking through the glass darkly and so we cannot actually see any of the reality. And so we get this version of it and it's beautiful because it's stained glass, it's spectacular. And so we can see the colors and we see the beauty of it all, but we can't actually see what's happening behind the glass. And so that's how I feel about the death thing is I heard spectacular stories from people who suddenly were on the other side and come back. But the limitations of my experience with that is I kept in my mind saying, oh, that's on the other side of the veil. And over here that's not happening. In these last 10 years I've met with so many indigenous peoples and wisdom keepers and science. Indigenous science is the whole secret to everything. The Kabbalah is one of the oldest sciences on the earth. And the Kabbalah and the intelligence of the Khoi and the San people of Africa, that's a hundred thousand year oral history there. The intelligence of design and connectivity and sensing into nature, the ability for remote viewing and non local influences of nature. And back and forth of the aboriginal peoples and the Maori, they've taught me what I was Missing in all those near death experience witnesses. As I kept thinking, we're having this 3D experience and then we can go to this other place that's 5D or 17D and that's right here, the 3. That's very hard to, to keep that in mind. If that's not something that's going to happen after death, that's something that's happening right now. And so in this room are multi dimensionals, elementals, what we call them, we could call them ghosts and ancestors, we could call them spirit guides. Spirit guides. We could call them aliens, we could.
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Alex Ferrari
Call ascended masters, whatever, Ascended masters.
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Dr. Zach Bush
All of these stories and titles that we put on them are real. And they are here right now in these seven dimensions of reality at least that sit here on the planet simultaneously right now in this environment. And yet we're still having the experience of. You and I are alone in this room. And so when I was experiencing near death experiences, I was listening to the stories, but I wasn't feeling the reality. Well, and now that I sit with my own life, I can feel my own death every day and I can actually experience what they were telling me while I'm still in my biology, because I'm starting to learn how to let go of the belief that I'm solid and realize in this moment I can close my eyes, I can go multi dimensional, I can sense who's here. And as soon as I do that.
- [54:30]
Alex Ferrari
You feel it.
- [54:32]
Dr. Zach Bush
You feel who's in the room with you, you. For some reason, we're all capable of knowing their identities. Like, who is that? What is that being right next to me there? And it varies. Like, sometimes it's these five, sometimes it's these three, sometimes it's this one. But I have never gone into that space of who's around me and found nobody. We are so cared for and we are so nurtured. Protected, nurtured, known. We are seen at levels that we can't see ourselves. And just knowing that can heal the original wound of humanity, which is we are separate, therefore we are unseen. Everybody runs around here. And in all of our kind of neo spiritualism, we run around these circles being like, well, I'm unseen. I'm looking for my king that can see me. And I'm going to see, I'm a queen, so I'm going to. And I've seen it. I heard it so much, it was like, really like we're all kings and queens. Like, right, that seems convenient. Like, I'm pretty sure that I'm just like a Kid, like, my soul is just like this kid. I don't. Well, it's kind of like, is it a king?
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Alex Ferrari
Like, it's like our past lives. Everyone's Cleopatra.
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Dr. Zach Bush
Yeah, exactly. Do I need to be a king? Like, that seems like pretty lonely job. It seems like I'd rather be kind of a farmer. Like, grow some food and hang out at night. I want to. I would like to run a pub probably. Like, that would be kind of rad.
- [55:55]
Alex Ferrari
A couple drinks.
- [55:56]
Dr. Zach Bush
Yeah. Like, I can see some other paths other than having to be the king all the time. And so it's this weird projection that we have into that spiritual space that we would even call it a king. Like, it's like what we're really reaching for when we say king and queen. That I think could really clean up this neospiritualism is a sovereignty. We know we are sovereign beings. And if we need to call that king and queen for now, I guess that's fine. Like, who really cares? But I think it would feel like a relief to me if I. If all these women weren't looking to me to be a king and I wasn't looking to all these men to check if I'm a bigger king than them. You know, like, let's just put all that hierarchical regalness down and just realize I'm sovereign. I am unchanging. I have been a mountain and I have been a star, and I have been a planet, and I have been a seedling sprouting out of new soil. I am a child in the womb of a mother. I am the mother with a child within my womb. I am, I am, I am, I am sovereign. Nothing you can do can change me. Nothing I can experience can change me. But everything I experience can enrich me. And so we are very clear in a lot of religious texts and understandings that there is no free will. And then biologically, and then let alone, when you get into quantum physics, it's impossible that me as a single little conscious, you know, fractal of the universe could suddenly decide to change directions as a free will agent. There's billions of interactions that are happening inside even just a single neuron, let alone the quantum entangled environment around me that would allow me to actually be a free agent here and, like, decide alone that I'm going to go do something.
- [57:41]
Alex Ferrari
But wouldn't you, though, with that said, though, like, with free. I'd love to dive into this a little bit. With free will, at any moment, we can change our trajectory, our idea. And from what I've understood through my talking to gurus and mystics and mediums and so on, is that. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
- [58:04]
Ryan Seacrest
Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway this new year. Don't forget about the little ones in the family. Now through January 27th. Shop in store and online and save $10 when you buy two or more your favorite baby care items. Shop for items like Happy Baby Formula, Pampers Pure Diapers, Pampers Baby Wipes, Pampers, Swaddler's Diapers, Pampers Cruisers Diapers and Similac Powder formulas. And save $10 when you buy two participating products. Offer ends January 27th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.
- [58:34]
Katie Whelan
If you're feeling exhausted, puffy, anxious, foggy, gaining weight, or just not like yourself, you're not imagining it. Women in their 30s, 40s and 50s are experiencing massive hormonal shifts and no one is explaining what's actually happening. I'm Katie Whelan, co founder of joy. I built Joy because I lived this. The fatigue, the mood swings, the weight changes, the confusion. Your symptoms are biological, not personal, and AI generated lab reports won't fix them. Every Joy Lab includes a visit with a licensed clinician who specializes in women's hormones and connects every biomarker to how you feel, energy metabolism, mood, sleep, skin weight, everything. Then we personalize real solutions, hormone therapy, peptide therapy, supplements and lifestyle protocols. Get started@joyandblogs.com today. This month, new customers get 50% off labs and you can add our estrogen face cream for just $1 with clinician approval. Use promo code podcast@joyamblokes.com.
- [59:37]
Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show. We have free will and a free choice to kind of go off. And sometimes we go off the path that we're supposed to be on the blueprint, if you will. If you want to go down the soul blueprint and that stuff that we chose, like, hey, you were going to be a doctor and you're going to go through all these experiences and get to where you're at. I came in from Florida, not from la, but I came in from Florida to become a filmmaker, which is like, why would you do that to me? It was so impossible to get off the ground there. I did. I always said, like, if I was just born in la, oh my God, I would have just taken off right away because it would have been in my system. So I was born that way, but I could go astray and I Have. And maybe I chose. Maybe I perceived that I have. I opened up an olive oil store once. Long story that.
- [60:26]
Dr. Zach Bush
Would you regret that?
- [60:27]
Alex Ferrari
I regret the experience was more difficult than almost anything I've ever done prior.
- [60:33]
Dr. Zach Bush
Great. So difficult. Yes.
- [60:35]
Alex Ferrari
So looking back, I wouldn't change it.
- [60:37]
Dr. Zach Bush
Perfect.
- [60:38]
Alex Ferrari
Looking back, I wouldn't change it because it makes who. It makes me who I am.
- [60:41]
Dr. Zach Bush
Exactly.
- [60:42]
Alex Ferrari
It makes me who I am.
- [60:42]
Dr. Zach Bush
So how. What an important piece of your journey.
- [60:44]
Alex Ferrari
But the point is that I, I could have kept and I was about to continue to go if it wasn't for my wife just like, no, we're stopping, get back on the right road. So I went off the. Off the journey a little bit, but then came back and I. From what I've heard is the farther you go off the journey, those nudges, those sledgehammers, those to the point where sometimes you like get a near death experience. You have to die to stop you from where you were going to get you back on the path. What do you think of that theory?
- [61:13]
Dr. Zach Bush
Oh, I think that's true, but I think what's not true is that there was a straight line that was drawn there that you were supposed to stay on.
- [61:19]
Alex Ferrari
No.
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Dr. Zach Bush
Yeah. So I think, you know, I think the wandering is designed right. So by nature.
- [61:25]
Alex Ferrari
So. So I agree with you 100%. From what I understand from my studies, is that when you're doing the soul blueprint, your soul contract, there are mile markers laid out. How you get to those mile markers is completely up to you.
- [61:38]
Dr. Zach Bush
But you will hit these miles, you will hit these mile markers no matter what. And the wandering is necessary to make them as rich as they can be. I love that.
- [61:45]
Alex Ferrari
Oh, I never really thought of the wandering.
- [61:47]
Dr. Zach Bush
It's that Gandalf quote. All those that are lost are not, you know, all those that wander are not lost.
- [61:52]
Alex Ferrari
That's a beautiful way of looking at it.
- [61:54]
Dr. Zach Bush
You have to wander because there is not a straight line in the flow of the universe.
- [61:58]
Alex Ferrari
Of course not. There's no straight line in nature.
- [62:00]
Dr. Zach Bush
There's no straight line in nature because of the expression of the feminine. And the masculine is rigid straight lines throughout the space time. And so the grid of the universe is. Is in witness to the flow through it. And so the masculine is not. We often are told that it's holding space and that's true. But I think the downside of that is we get the misperception that the masculine is protecting something the masculine cannot protect. The male lion doesn't actually protect the pride. That's the Females.
- [62:31]
Alex Ferrari
Yeah, Right.
- [62:33]
Dr. Zach Bush
And so the females are the ones that actually know how to protect, and they do it through nurture rather than through war. And though lioness will kill something if it's coming to threaten her cubs, no problem, but the number of times she has to do that is zero, really. She doesn't have to kill anything because she's the lioness. And they know everything else respects that reality of like, okay, Linus is there now. She might, like, growl at them just so that everybody can see how awesome she is. Because that's kind of fun.
- [63:00]
Alex Ferrari
Like, you know, sometimes you have to.
- [63:02]
Dr. Zach Bush
Show some teeth, ripple that muscle around the neck and do your little thing and flare. Because if you're a line, don't you want to do that? Like, I would want to feel that. Like, this is what it feels like. Step off. Yeah, I think. And so we see nature posturing and we see nature doing all this thing, but nature's not really killing each other. The predation that we see in nature is a gifting economy. And one soul is giving itself up to a higher experience as it goes through. As a gazelle becomes the bloodstream of a lion, it's experiencing stacking geometries. And I've experienced this in nature deeply when I was out in the ocean with this, you know, swimming alone, and suddenly got surrounded by the most massive millions and millions and millions of sardines. For 45 minutes, this. This shoal of sardines was around me. And then the pelicans hit. And I had so intertangled my awareness of being sardine that when these pelicans hit and we're just exploding in the water, they come into the water so fast, you can't actually see the pelican. You only see the explosion of bubbles that they create. And then you notice it's pelicans, because suddenly up above you are a little pelican feet that are like, kind of floating around as they swallow the fish. And. And so that explosion, when I figured out it was pelicans, I went through a momentary experience of like, oh, my gosh, my friends, my. My sardine experience is being eaten. And I just projected the human, you know, kind of trauma story, the. Predict the. The killing of them. And in a millionth of seconds, sardines answered. And we're like, this is our elevation. This is our ascension. We are calling this in. Don't you project that on us. You know, this is. This is our ascension. This is us going into our higher selves. This is us going through the matrix of life. We are ascending. And so as I've gone through that, you find out years later, being with the white lions in, in southern Africa, the same thing understood by the Koi and the San people. After a hundred thousand years of witnessing those lions, no animal is actually killing the other. One animal is giving itself up to it. And there's the hunt and there's the excitement of that for the lion, I suppose. And there's a kill, if you will, but it's not to kill. It is this gifting economy where the animal that's ready to go peels off from the rest of the herd every time. Like, you see this in the videos of like Blue Earth, like, why did that? If the antelope had just stayed with the group, he wouldn't have been attacked. But he always like peels off and then the lions go chase that one and the rest of the herd goes, goes off and that one tumbles down with lions and is, you know, and the lions mercifully will kill that thing in a split second, you know. And so there's this gifting economy that's happening in all of nature so that nature ascends. And anytime you put one of those keystone species in a wolf in Yellowstone, a white lion in southern Africa, biodiversity explodes.
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Alex Ferrari
Yeah, that's what happened with the wolves.
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Dr. Zach Bush
The soil improves, the rivers flow. More nature everywhere, more flora, more fauna next door. If you put a human at the top of the apex, everything goes into monoculture and is destroyed. The soils collapse, things collapse. And we can see this from space in the rewilded white lion territory. And it's very interesting because the fence lines that then are around this rewilded territory have the same animals. Same lion, same antelope, same zebra, same giraffe, same animals. But the keystone or the top of the species are just American hunters that go over there and kill. And when American hunters go over there and kill, you think, well, that's just like the lion killing things. The results are the radical opposite. The soil goes and dies, the whole system collapses.
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Alex Ferrari
Why is that?
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Dr. Zach Bush
Because the energy of the system is one where we are no longer allowing the ascension of energy. We're driving the energy back down rather than up. As a human that thinks it's separate from everything, we're not in right relationship, so we can't function as a keystone species right now. We are not a pathway for everything to ascend towards these higher orders of vibration. We collapse the vibration through our fear, guilt, shame. And so a hunter who's over there to shoot something that's big so he can put it on his wall at home to make himself feel like he's achieved something, that he's the king. And to prove to everybody's a bigger king because, oh, you shot a deer. I shot a freaking lion.
- [67:28]
Alex Ferrari
Shot an elephant.
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Dr. Zach Bush
I shot an elephant. You know, it's like ludicrous, you know, and the vibration of that fear, guilt and shame that drives that wounded king can't help nature move upwards. And so we are going extinct because we stepped out of our right relationship as a keystone species. Nature can't flow through us right now. And this is what we see in the biohacking community just over at, you know, the godfather of the biohacking community that named it yesterday. And he took me straight into his kitchen, proud as a peacock, to show me his pantry of supplements. It is the most unbelievable situation you've ever seen. I mean, it's shelves after shelves after shelves of bottles of white plastic bottles with, you know, chemically derived nature. And I'm like, you take this every day. He's like, well, I actually only take this section here arm to arm. I don't know, 150, 250 bottles in front of him. Like, are you hungry anymore? He's like, no, no, I don't get much hungry because, you know, a couple hundred capsules a day here and there. And I'm just like, that's where the king gets. Gets himself to is when you have so failed to trust nature that your demonstration of your power is how much extraction of nature are you controlling? Then we have to go extinct. Nature can't play that game. It's a dead end for nature. And so the biology is dying within us. And so all of those nutrients that are being taken by biohackers all over the world can't actually ignite life. Humans are not chemistry problems. They're biology opportunities.
- [69:09]
Alex Ferrari
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
- [69:12]
Ryan Seacrest
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- [69:44]
Katie Whelan
If you're feeling exhausted, puffy, anxious, foggy, gaining weight, or just not like yourself. You're not imagining it. Women in their 30s, 40s, and 50s are experiencing massive hormonal shifts, and no one is explaining what's actually happening. I'm Katie Whelan, co founder of Joy. I built Joy because I lived this. The fatigue, the mood swings, the weight changes, the confusion. Your symptoms are biological, not personal. And AI generated lab reports won't fix them. Every Joy lab includes a visit with a licensed clinician who specializes in women's hormones and connects every biomarker to how you feel. Energy metabolism, mood, sleep, skin weight, everything. Then we personalize real solutions. Hormone therapy, peptide therapy, supplements, and lifestyle protocols. Get started@joyandblokes.com today. This month, new customers get 50% off labs. And you can add our estrogen face cream for just $1 with clinician approval. Use promo code podcast@joyanblokes.com.
- [70:47]
Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
- [70:50]
Dr. Zach Bush
To become a biologic opportunity, you have to step into right relationship with the energies that are below the surface of the biology. And those energies are a pathway of ascension.
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Alex Ferrari
So what do you mean by the.
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Dr. Zach Bush
Energies, the flow of life? You mentioned there's no straight line in nature. What's happening is geometry of space. Time is holding all of these complex sacred geometries through which flows energy. It's energy in the electromagnetic field. It's energy from nuclear fission, fusion events that we call the sun energy, electromagnetic, thermal, you know, from suns, from any. Everything is energy. So energy is infinite and it's invisible and it's unstructured until it starts to flow through geometries. And that geometry can create a planet, it can create an asteroid belt, it can create a black hole. And so it's the sacred geometry below the surface of the physical world, the biologic world, that is allowing for these stacking functions more and more complexity within the system. It's inevitable. That's what the universe has been doing since its origin. We say it's 15 billion years of the existence of the universe or whatever. That number keeps changing. But that 15 billion years, if that's even a relevant concept of time, but that long, long journey of thousands and thousands of millions of years, Nature is simply just upgrading the flow of energy through more and more complex geometries to create more and more complex iterations of herself. And so this is the flow of life. And so this is how we go through a massive extinction 55 million years ago, with reptiles as the dominant species to within a couple Hundred thousand years, we have blue whales in the oceans, we got dolphins going. And then with another couple hundred thousand years, we had wildflowers instead of ferns and palms, we get deciduous trees. Suddenly, nature is iterating towards these higher and higher expressions. And death is the driver for the reinvention. And death always breeds more biodiversity, more intelligence. And so what we're seeing is life is a concentration of light energy. And something like an oak tree does a really good job of concentrating energy. And so an oak Tree over its 80 year period will capture enormous amount of sunlight and turn it into long chain carbons that we would call a carbohydrate or a fatty acid. And put that down into the soil. Soil microbes are digesting that, turn that into nutrients for life around it. And so that energy center that we would call an oak tree is concentrating light, which means it's an incredible generative opportunity. A single celled organism like a bacteria, requires maybe a thousand times more light per cubic centimeter than the sun can produce. Biology is the brightest thing that happens in the universe. It's not suns. Suns are nuclear fission and fusion. Life is brighter by, by logarithms. Multicellular life has to be a 10x improvement again of energy per cubic centimeter over single cell life. And so something like an oak tree is a multicellular organism. One cell knows how to be bark, one cell knows how to be a root, one cell knows how to be a leaf. That miracle of coordination of differentiation with an oak tree and lives in 80 years. Then it dies. It's only got maybe like a few dozen genes. It's a very simple organism genetically. If you genetically sequence that tree trunk one year after its death and it lies on the forest floor, it's a hundred thousand species with over a million genes. That's what life is doing. Life is generating out of every time there's a concentration of light energy and it's released in death, it goes through a million different new pathways of ascending order to become more complex. Right now, humans happen to be given a birthright of the opportunity to be a keystone species. And I get to see farmers starting to step back into their right relationship with nature. They stop spraying chemicals, they stop plowing the soil up. They start trusting the Earth to do something more intelligent. And they start to surrender their entire farm to be the womb of Mother Earth again. And she starts bringing forth such bounty. And I've seen farmers in a single two year, three year period be witness to an explosion of biodiversity on their land. And the rivers do start flowing Again and everything else. I've seen farmers become wolves. I've seen farmers become white lions. In their right relationship to the Earth, they become an ascending pathway for the energies of the earth around them to start to ascend again.
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Alex Ferrari
So beautiful.
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Dr. Zach Bush
You have to surrender your life that's within you and around you to the divine to create through. And if you will do that, then you're in right relationship. If you stop doing the farm, if you stop trying to produce, you know, 60 bushels of corn per acre, if you stop doing life, when we do it to the nature, we kill it. We bring a descending spiral into the natural system. And therefore we're going to create monocultures everywhere. As just in South Africa, you've got 4 million acres of monoculture trees that have sucked the entire water table of South Africa out of the ground, is now desertifying the whole country. There's no water to drink in Cape Town because they created millions of acres of monoculture eucalyptus and pine forests that are not natural. And those trees are sucking the water table out of a whole country. That is the birth canal for the whole planet. If South Africa dies, the whole world dies in its genetic generation. And so we are that. That's what it looks like to step out of our keystone relationship. And it's our path. This is our wander. Are we off the track? Well, if you say that we were born to be a keystone species, clearly we're off the track. We're taking ourselves into extinction. We've had a 70% decline in birth rates around the world. We got. United States is on an extinction pathway. Our birth rate's one point. Anything under 2.1, you're in an extinction path. Every tenth below 2.1, you take another generation off. Though we're a few generations out from extinction, Japan and China are already going extinct. So Asia's going extinct actively. We'll have 30 million empty residences in Tokyo alone by 2035. We are disappearing as a species actively. We're too caught up in our own story of too many humans and climate change and global economies and tariffs. Like, we're so distracted by the chaos of our collapse that we don't even realize how deep it is. We don't realize that the extinction is already unfolding. And we keep thinking like, well, it's in the future, we might have a problem. The problem was 50 years ago. The collapse is now. The future is the question in question. And really, we just have this few moments left to step into right relationship with nature. And when we say stepping into right relationship it's coming back into that keystone species. And how do you do that? You got to turn your backyard back over to nature. Stop with this weed spraying and the Kentucky bluegrass and the white picket fence that is killing the planet. We have 40 million acres of grass in the backyards of houses in the United States alone. 40 million acres of Kentucky bluegrass. It wasn't supposed to be there in the first place. What was there before was over a couple hundred species of grasses and deep savanna energies and seed banks that are still under there. If you would just stop doing Kentucky bluegrass, it would come back. So stop doing the grass and the lawn and the thing and let nature go there. And then you got to rewild your own self. You got to rewild your heart, you got to rewild your womb. You've got to rewild your mind. Let the weeds grow up for a moment. The weeds are bringing in biodiversity that then will remember the original seed bank and all of the riches and bounties that were you before will come back. You will grow wild again. You can be a lion. You can be the gazelle jumping through the forest. You can be that tree frog singing through the night on a tree. You can be the owl that can see in the dark. You can become all of that if you will allow yourself to rewild out of your own story of diminished relationship to nature. That divorce from nature is a fake story. You never were dropped by nature. She is holding you, and she's waiting for you to step in the right relationship to become a keystone species.
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Alex Ferrari
Beautifully said, Zach. Beautifully said. I wanted to touch on something you said earlier when you brought up remote viewing, and that's, you know, when you start talking about remote viewing and psychic phenomenon, it is something that definitely goes against your medical training for sure. Can you. I'd love to hear your thoughts on what you. You've obviously studied this. You've obviously seen a lot of it, probably a lot of what we're about to talk about in the indigenous cultures as well. What is your take on psychic phenomenon, on mediumship, on. On those kind of things? I'm just curious from a scientific. But you're a scientifically trained person, but you're obviously very deep in the spiritual and the esoteric as well.
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Dr. Zach Bush
Yeah. There's this story of. In the Judeo Christian literature that after the resurrection, Yeshua appears into this group of disciples. And the disciples fall on their feet or fall on their knees and are obviously struck dumb with this possibility that this human has come back from the grave and they're having this experience, and immediately there's this beautiful experience and trust. But there's one of them that has to come and inspect the wounds in his wrist to make sure it's physically real. And he wants to put his finger in the wound. That's me. I have a very hard time trusting something I haven't put my finger in. And I am sad about that because the reason that is is because I don't know how to feel my body well. I don't know how to feel the truth as well as I should. And so because of that, over my lifetime, I've really needed to, like, put my finger in the wound of the biology say, okay, it is real. It's there. I can't. And so somebody tells me their spiritual belief system or whatever, I'm like, okay, let me check that. I'm gonna go stick my finger in the wounds and I'm gonna stick my finger everywhere until I figure out if that fits the reality that I'm living in. And so the medium thing, I didn't believe at all. And I thought it was just a distraction to something, to the truth for much of my, you know, early life. And then I started into this hospice work.
- [81:13]
Alex Ferrari
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
- [81:16]
Ryan Seacrest
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- [81:47]
Katie Whelan
If you're feeling exhausted, puffy, anxious, foggy, gaining weight, or just not like yourself, you're not imagining it. Women in their 30s, 40s, and 50s are experiencing massive hormonal shifts, and no one is explaining what's actually happening. I'm Katie Whelan, co founder of joy. I built Joy because I lived this. The fatigue, the mood swings, the weight changes, the confusion. Your symptoms are biological, not personal, and AI generated lab reports won't fix them. Every Joy lab includes a visit with a licensed clinician who specializes in women's hormones and connects every biomarker to how you feel. Energy metabolism, mood, sleep, skin weight, everything. Then we personalize Real solutions. Hormone therapy, peptide therapy, supplements and lifestyle protocols. Get started@joyandblogues.com today. This month, new customers get 50% off labs. And you can add our estrogen face cream for just $1 with clinician approval. Use promo code podcast@joyanblokes.com.
- [82:50]
Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
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Dr. Zach Bush
And it was just happening too often that these people that were just recently departed were coming back to talk to their ancestors or talk to the people that were still living. And so it was starting to be like a daily or weekly thing where it's like, okay, I got to address this situation and I need to stick my finger in this reality and like, feel this thing. And so I started talking to mediums with more curiosity and all this in particular with what happened with a girl that died in my clinic. She died at age 12, and she had a horrible osteosarcoma, which is a tumor that's now become very common in children. Didn't when I started my medical training, it was early in the early 1990s, this did not happen in children, but today it's unfortunately become extremely common. It used to be a cancer that we'd see in 80 year olds, but now our two year olds are somehow aging so fast due to our kind of collective biologic stress that they're exhibiting these cancers. It didn't used to happen in children. She died at age 12. And it was a super intimate, you know, experience with her and her family in that last year because she was exactly the same age as my daughter and had the same name as my daughter. And so I had this journey of me as a father trying to imagine what, you know, so I didn't have to imagine. I was watching the experience of watching parents die with the same experience that I was having as a parent. And so it just made it very, very vivid and in living color. Vivid experience. I was walking into that death experience with those parents, and that young woman never wavered like she was. So not once did she show us any fear, guilt, shame, any confusion. She knew she wasn't off her path. Like, she knew she had hit the right note at her departure. And within weeks of leaving, she reached through a medium that was out in California that didn't know the family, didn't know anybody, nobody had ever known this medium. But the child starts speaking through this thing. The medium calls the mother. And being like, your daughter just told me to reach out to you. She's trying to communicate with you. And so then I went on a two year journey with that medium and that family. And that was. That was me sticking my finger in the wound and really feeling the physical reality of being on the other side of the veil, communicating directly with it. And her mother and I were both in such doubt that this was really happening that we really pushed Alyssa to show us for sure. Are you. We might be a ma. Is this a trick? You know, we were, like, really bringing a lot of doubt and really fear, guilt, shame to the equation. And Alyssa just kept reaching through, kept reaching through, kept reaching through and showing us beyond a shadow of doubt that she's right there present, and she is speaking to us. And she can see us in the moment. She can see what color our shirts were. She could see the patterns that were on her mother's shirt and see the Disney character that was on the shirt, like, so specific. And so it was those times that shattered my doubt, that shattered my. And as I feel into the reality around us now, such a blessing that there is no end. You know, death is not an end. We all step into our right relationship with the divine. Those last couple breaths, and we look back on the wandering path of a life and be like, sweet. I hit every single one of the nodes that our universe had me designed for. The wandering is perfect because I experienced and then transmuted pain and suffering through each of those, because I became human. And the human heart is uniquely equipped to transmute suffering into joy, pain, and loss into unconditional love. And I did that through my journey. And if I haven't. If I didn't have the wandering path, I wouldn't have been able to heal so much, and I wouldn't have become an ascendant, you know, pathway for physics and energy to flow through. I wouldn't have been alive if I just done it. Come in and try to do a straight line. Nature doesn't do the straight line. Energy is in flow. And so the olive oil company was absolutely the necessary thing to get you to this point, for reasons that you and I could never figure out. We have no idea. But it's impossible that you got off the road. You've always been on the perfect path because your path is actually amalgamation of all of life ascending. You've got trillions of microbes that are speaking directly into your neurologic system to create a thought that's not a human thought you're having, that is an ecosystem. Some thinking through you. We now know that there's billions of neurons that reach past the gut lining to communicate directly with the bacteria and fungi in your gut. Lining. And we now know that there's no generative center of information in the brain. It's a central processing unit. It's a CPU chip, just like sits in my phone, right? My phone will sit there for eons if you let it and you keep it charged and everything else. It will never write a text message, right? It will never do anything. It will just sit there until somebody's fingers type on the keyboard. The brain can't come up with an idea. The brain will just sit there until somebody types some information into the keyboard. And the fingers on the keyboard of the human biology are not human. They are microbes. Microbes in their constant iteration of life and their constant interconnectedness are typing information into your neurology. And your experience is having a human thought, but it can't be human because you aren't the fingers on the keyboard. And so when you think about, do humans have free will? We can't even have a free thought, let alone take action on that thought. That wouldn't be somehow the amalgamation of the intelligence and the creativity of all of nature within us.
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Alex Ferrari
We were talking before we came on about ancestral trauma that we have been going through and specifically these last hundred years. We were talking about the Civil war, World War I and World War II all happened within a 70 year period. That's unheard of in the history of humanity. I mean, there's been wars, obviously.
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Dr. Zach Bush
No, the scale of those wars and that packed together never happened.
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Alex Ferrari
Never happened. And then Also during that 70 year period, we went from horse and buggies, you know, to AI, where we are now. Like it's been so fast even in our lifetime. It's so, I mean, the 70s a lot different than it is today. And that's 50 years ago. Yeah, it's not, it's not a lot in the scope of humanity's time.
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Dr. Zach Bush
Split second, It's a split second.
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Alex Ferrari
So everything's speeding up so much. But as far as the trauma that we went through, these, let's just say from the Civil War to now, but specifically those three wars, because we've had a few since then. What happened to our generations that felt those? And what is, how is that kind of rippling throughout history or throughout. Yeah, throughout history to where we are right now.
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Dr. Zach Bush
So there's two levels of that. Biologically, those, those collective traumas have put into motion our extinction through the biology of trauma and the way in which it's stored in DNA. And the parallel path to that, I would say is a path of ascension where it would have been Impossible to generate the level of intelligence and creativity that this earth has produced in the last hundred years without all of the death. What happens when a human crosses the veil? When the soul lets go of the human crosses the veil is a better way of saying that. So what happens there? Well, the near death experiences are giving us a sense of that your experiential awareness of the relationship of humans to that nature increases. And if there is no end and you immediately as a soul can reconnect to biology and you can become the white lion, or you can become the carrot, or you can become the earth. The collective energy of souls being concentrated on this planet and dying and living and dying and living and dying, living. At this rate, I kind of doubt that the same 8 billion people that are here today are the same souls that are here a couple years from now. But there's probably some iteration in there. And whatever the souls are generating here is remembered in our water. It's remembered in the quantum entangled earth itself. So the faster we pump lives through here, it's a metabolic cycle. There's a metabolism too, in the intelligence and consciousness of the universe. As death, life, death, life, death, life, happens, happens. So on the energetic path, all of these wars, all of the human birth and death and birth and death is driving the speeding up of the metabolic intelligence of this planet and the species that are on it. I don't think we would have had cell phones and AI systems if we hadn't had three massive wars. I think we needed the level of death to create the level of birth of not just human flesh, but human ideas, human consciousness. I am shocked at the social consciousness that shifted from my grandfather's generation to my daughter and then to my grandson. In those short few generations, my grandson is able to be him. He's able to express exactly who he is. His generation has let go of the need to express what gender they are, what sexuality they are. My generation spent all kinds of time figuring out like, well, we're allowed to be this and well, we're not that, but we're this. And so we were so busy characterizing things and making everything separate and so eager to create the Alphabet soup of sexual identity and gender identity. Like we did that as our generation.
- [92:41]
Alex Ferrari
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
- [92:44]
Ryan Seacrest
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- [93:16]
Katie Whelan
If you're feeling exhausted, puffy, anxious, foggy, gaining weight, or just not like yourself, you're not imagining it. Women in their 30s, 40s and 50s are experiencing massive hormonal shifts and no one is explaining what's actually happening. I'm Katie Whelan, co founder of Joy. I built Joy because I lived this. The fatigue, the mood swings, the weight changes, the confusion. Your symptoms are biological, not personal, and AI generated lab reports won't fix them. Every Joy Lab includes a visit with a licensed clinician who specializes in women's hormones and connects every biomarker to how you feel, energy metabolism, mood, sleep, skin weight, everything. Then we personalize real solutions. Hormone therapy, peptide therapy, supplements, and lifestyle protocols. Get started@joyandblokes.com today. This month, new customers get 50% off labs and you can add our estrogen face cream for just $1 with clinician approval. Use promo code podcast@joyandbloaks.com.
- [94:19]
Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
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Dr. Zach Bush
My children's generation came along and they were taught that of like, well, you can be free to be lgbtq. And they kind of tried that out. And I think that generation is now like, yeah, but what about, like, all the things between an L and a B? Like, why are we trying to, like, get it down to five letters? Like, maybe, just maybe we just have 8 billion souls that are expressing themselves through biology right now. And, and then my grandson's generation, my grandson just started college and I'm watching him churning away with his generation as they didn't get exposed in the same way to the Alphabet soup that my kids generation, and they've been welcomed into this much more fluid experience of just express yourself. And there's some great challenges in that because without the framework, the human mind can freak out. And so rates of depression, anxiety, and all this can be quite high. I think when you're losing the framework of the egoic mind telling you you fit into this little brain tribe over here so you're accepted when there's no more, you know, little tribes to fit into and they're starting to be a human experience altogether, that's nerve wracking because you don't have the comfort of your little click, you know, Is that because.
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Alex Ferrari
You'Re looking for, for things outside of yourself? You're looking for the answers outside of yourself. You're looking for the framework outside of yourself. But the gurus and the, and the saints and the ascended masters and the walking masters understand that that's all within you and that's why they're unwavered.
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Dr. Zach Bush
Like they don't stop looking outside yourself for your tribe.
- [95:48]
Alex Ferrari
Yeah, the tribe's inside you. We're all part of the same tribe. Yeah.
- [95:52]
Dr. Zach Bush
And we're all sovereign, you know, and so that's, and I think that's the unique thing that we lose when we start to think about, you know.
- [96:02]
Alex Ferrari
Unity.
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Dr. Zach Bush
Consciousness and one world government. And we gotta hold on to the duality of that and that, that the individual sovereignty of a soul is real. It is a fractal of the divine that will never change. And it's not the same as the other souls. It's part of the same thing. But, you know, it's part of the same whole. But it as a fractal of it carries its unique signature that is known to the biology. My biology is different than yours because of the quantum entanglement with my soul. I can take the blood out of an identical twin and put it into the other. And the identical twin will react to that immediately and kill the blood. The identity is not in the genes. Identical twins are different because they've been imprinted with a different identity. And it's seen that the biology is different. So even the biology can sense the difference of the energy field rather than the genetics. I find that quite amazing. Like, wow, our immune system, these little dumb antibodies that just float around can sense the difference between that soul and that soul. That's pretty cool.
- [97:04]
Alex Ferrari
And why do you think that the medical field, biology, academia, they can't wrap their head around the soul because they can't stick their finger in it. As you so lovely example was that they sense that like, no, if it's not this, it doesn't exist. And then we find out through quantum physics and other things, well, this doesn't exist either. This is actually not solid.
- [97:36]
Dr. Zach Bush
It's a perception.
- [97:37]
Alex Ferrari
It's a perception which then your head starts to hurt. You start thinking about these things.
- [97:42]
Dr. Zach Bush
And I think that's the answer. It just hurts your head. To try to really put the human brain in responsibility of understanding the universe is a lot. Yeah, then. So I don't think we can think our way into understanding the universe, but we can Feel our way there.
- [97:58]
Alex Ferrari
That's beautifully said. Yeah, I think. And the more I go down these roads and the more I do my own studies into this in all of these fields, feeling is becoming much more important to me than mental and trying to mental understanding.
- [98:15]
Dr. Zach Bush
Chasing after the wind.
- [98:16]
Alex Ferrari
Yeah. Yogananda said it so beautifully. He really never read books. He experienced everything. He tapped in directly to source. He tapped into the energy field of a Babaji or these kind of, they tap in and they, and they. It's like a book is so limiting when you could tap into the Internet. Let's say the cloud is the universe and being able to tap into that source energy is so much more potent. I feel that more and more now as I'm starting to meditate. As I start to meditate more and go deeper into my meditations, into my own spiritual practices, I'm starting to feel things and understand things that I never understood before. Like, you and I have a common friend, Robert Edward Grant, who's a lovely man, but he can go off like hard and you're just trying to hold on tight for the ride. But when I'm talking to Robert, we have a conversation and I'm getting what he's taught and I've said this to him, I go, it's amazing to me that I'm talking to a polymath and I failed math in high school, but yet I'm able to talk to you about these complex ideas sitting down with you today. Just, I'm understanding what you're saying, but I didn't read that anywhere. I feel it. Does that make sense?
- [99:37]
Dr. Zach Bush
Yeah, I think that's exactly what I hope everybody walks away from is that's the genius of children as they are feeling the reality. And so when your 4 year old is staring out the window and a car ride in the back and suddenly says, mom, do you think it's possible that we're just inside the body of God?
- [99:56]
Katie Whelan
What?
- [99:57]
Dr. Zach Bush
As a parent, you're just like, what? Excuse me, because I was just thinking about like lunch, like, what, what are you doing in the backseat? Like, what's going on over there? Like, I was just frustrated about my bank account. And you know, is it possible that we're in the body of God? Yeah, that's actually possible. Thank you for reorienting me. So that's where we come from, is complete connectivity. And the wisdom is at our fingertips. It's everywhere. And so we are dialed into that Internet of everything at every age. And so it's a learned capacity to forget everything and so our education system is what we created for that. And so we created an education system to train people out of their knowingness. Yes. And it starts at 5 years old. And now, unfortunately, it starts at 2. People throw their kids into preschools at age 2, and they're very pleased when their kid can, like, do one plus one equals two, which isn't even true, is what Robert Grant will tell you. And so, yeah, it's so they learn the wrong stuff to cover up the right stuff and break their relationship to the knowledge field because there's no control of sovereign beings that know everything. And so systems that see themselves separate from nature, that need to consolidate wealth in the hopes of staving off some dangerous future where they don't have enough, are going to have to train their. Train all of the peoples to. To be programmed out of the knowingness and start to rely on education.
- [101:36]
Alex Ferrari
My, My children are some of my great teachers. Annoying.
- [101:41]
Dr. Zach Bush
They'll wear you on.
- [101:43]
Alex Ferrari
Like I said, I'm 27. But it's fascinating to watch them interact with the world and they'll look at certain things and they'll say things. The other day they were, we, we saw some friends from California and they were coming in very la, very Hollywood, very. That energy. I'm sure you understand what I mean. And they, they, I mean, they grew up in LA and they've been here for four years, so. But after they left, they turn to us and go, yeah, that was a lot.
- [102:17]
Ryan Seacrest
Yeah.
- [102:19]
Alex Ferrari
I was like, what? What did you say? Yeah, they were a lot. And they do it like this, like, the energy. There's a lot coming in. There was a lot coming in. I was like, wow. Like, you know, when I was that age, I was watching Transform. Yes, I was, you know, I was, you know, just like, like, you're like, oh, Kind of, kind of thing. I wasn't having these kind of deep understandings of the world. They're this new generation coming in. They're just programmed differently than we were at the factory. I think they have a different understanding of everything and they're not falling for the same stuff that you and I felt for.
- [102:58]
Dr. Zach Bush
Yeah.
- [102:58]
Alex Ferrari
Would you agree?
- [102:59]
Dr. Zach Bush
Yeah, yeah. I think there's. And this is the beauty of this failure of biology, you know? And so as we dial our metabolic capacity down, because we are burning out our soils, burning out our food system nutrient density, we're literally dimming the lights on humanity as a function of dimming the planet's metabolic capacity. So when we're talking about £4 billion of glyphosates poured into our soils every year. What we're talking about is diminishing the life force of the planet. And so £4 billion of an herbicide are being poured in. And I go every two years to the EPA every time they have an open hearing and show them all the science of the fact that this chemical that you keep allowing your country to use at billions of pounds is literally diminishing the life force within every child that will ever be born again. They don't change. So I've given up on that. I'll keep talking because I feel compelled to, but I've given up on the expectation that something's going to change. And so all we can do is speak our truth, speak the beauty that we see, tell people what we've stuck our finger in to know is real, the moment, and then say, this is the case. This is what I'm My lived experience has all pointed back to this reality that we are taking ourselves to our knees biologically so that we think more like children. Because if I don't have the energy to maintain the BS of an education system that trained me to know almost nothing and then give me lots of awards for how good I was at forgetting everything.
- [104:28]
Alex Ferrari
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
- [104:32]
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- [105:02]
Katie Whelan
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- [106:05]
Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
- [106:09]
Dr. Zach Bush
Then maybe we're on our right path. Maybe we just had to poison ourselves so severely that we could no longer make up the stories.
- [106:18]
Alex Ferrari
Is, is that, why does Europe have that, is that allowed in Europe, that pesticide?
- [106:24]
Dr. Zach Bush
Oh yeah, it's everywhere. Every continent is using it. The first, the first country that will actually be free of it will be Russia. Russia will be the very first completely organic food system. Could be this year even. They're really on track. They're doing great. Really.
- [106:37]
Alex Ferrari
That's fascinating. Yeah, you would think that, that Russia's not the most forward thinking.
- [106:42]
Dr. Zach Bush
Russia is always the most forward thinking.
- [106:44]
Alex Ferrari
Really.
- [106:44]
Dr. Zach Bush
They're the only generational thinking country. I would put Russia at the forefront of thinking longitudinally. They think long term. America's making decisions around four month decisions on our economy. Russia's thinking 400 years from now. The other countries that are doing that is Saudi Arabia and the Middle East. They are very rooted in family and ancestral patterns. South America I don't think has to identify with either of those, but kind of inherently does this, you know, where it starts to understand generational impact and all of this. South America is really suffering at a deep level of, of relationship to North America. And so North America is draining the soul out of our entire hemisphere very quickly, I think. And so I think South America suffers a deeper crisis of that remembrance of the multi generational thinking and long term thinking in their policies. But the Middle east and Russia, right up until the war, Ukraine was the best food system in the world. They were growing almost entirely organic wheat. And Europe had decided to stop exporting or stop importing North America grains. Germany was the first to outlaw the importation of grains and other legumes from North America because they realized that their diseases were going up every time they imported our food. And so they banned that and were only getting their food from Ukraine. I think that wouldn't be too surprising if the Ukraine war was started in part to try to disrupt the economic advantage there. BlackRock and other US companies have gone in to buy up all the farmland of Ukraine now and are implementing chemical agriculture. And so there's a pattern that we can see around when the lion is no longer a king and the lion is just killing things for the fear that they're going to run out. So we have an economy and an empire that's failing in the United States. That makes us very dangerous. And we've been increasingly dangerous over the last 60 years as we've come to terms with the fact that we probably are destroying ourselves. And so that rabid animal stuck in the corner that has no way out is going to be more and more dangerous. And that's where the rabbit animal in the cage right now. That's why our politics look like they do is the last thing we have to do is lash out with tariffs and, you know, put militaries on the borders and do all this stuff like that's not. None of those signs are healthy like that. That is the sign of an ailing and dying society. And we've seen it with every empire that's died, has done the same things, the British Empire and the rest, you know, all the way back to the Persian Empire. And so we've done it over and over and over again. And the most dangerous point of any empire is it's in its death cycle. And so we've become extremely dangerous, as, you know, an international presence, as in, as a military body, as a secret service and everything else. And it's, it's just human behavior playing itself out. It's not because the CIA is evil and all this. And that's the danger of, you know, politicians coming along and saying, well, CIA is your problem and FDA is your problem. I'm going to sue all of them and I'll make it right. I'm your white knight. And no, that's just a perpetuation of the same mentality of the problems outside of ourselves. We've got to start sovereignty again. And we will. There's going to be a small segment of society that will survive this collapse of empire and we will have too low of a metabolic state as a planet to generate the next empire. And so that's interesting. Humans getting to this point can't generate the next empire because we've so intertangled our economies around abstract value systems, all of which are extracting in the life force out of the planet. And therefore they are all on an extinction path. And so it will be interesting because we are going to get to this like, last gasp of humanity where it's like nobody's got the energy to go kill people.
- [110:34]
Alex Ferrari
Is that going to be in our lifetimes?
- [110:35]
Dr. Zach Bush
Yeah.
- [110:36]
Alex Ferrari
You think it's going to happen?
- [110:37]
Dr. Zach Bush
I mean, I could die at any point, so maybe my life thing, but in, in the life Cycle of the next 50 years. We will see that for sure. I mean we're only a few years away from this massive change.
- [110:46]
Alex Ferrari
Yeah, that's why I keep saying it.
- [110:47]
Dr. Zach Bush
Could happen by the end of this decade. Like it's, that's upon us.
- [110:51]
Alex Ferrari
It's. Well, if we look at the astrological, if we look at the Yuga cycles, if we look at all of the things, the Vedic texts, all the, all the ancient texts all say, it's, it's now, it's now. This decade is going to be a hell of a run. Yeah, hell of a run.
- [111:05]
Dr. Zach Bush
Yeah.
- [111:06]
Alex Ferrari
You have spoken about, and I've never spoken to anybody about this and you've, you've brought it up in other shows. Vibrational and frequency connection to our body. The lower our vibration or our lower our frequency, the more unhealthy we are, the higher our vibration. The higher our frequency, the healthier we are and the more the immune system's able to attack and you don't get sick because of that. Can you kind of explain what you mean by because when you're talking about hey man, my vibes are real loaded. It sounds very 60s, very esoteric. Can you kind of bring it down to a grounded level of what you mean by vibration and frequency within the body?
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Dr. Zach Bush
Yeah. We're the greatest technology this earth has ever created by far. Our organism has things that we're able to generate frequency wise that no other species has done on this planet. And so we contribute to nature very beautifully. We are a keystone species. And we might be the most profound keystone species that has ever touched this planet if we're in right relationship to nature. And we've been able to measure this in science through frequency, through vibration. And that is measured in plants, for example, through an electroencephalogram that we then hook up to a plant. So basically the same EEG that would monitor brain waves and the frequencies that are generated by neurons we can put on a plant. And then we can show that if the human tells that plant, you are beautiful, I love you, the plant actually immediately responds to that with new growth factors in the root system sprouts new root fibrils, puts growth factors in, it grows faster, more healthy. The immune system works better. The immune system is not a battleground. The immune system is a method of, for interrelationships between species. And so then suddenly has more relationships to other species. And that plant is now functioning as a wolf tree, which is a description of a tree that becomes a keystone species within the plant world. And so that tree then in being loved and being seen will grow more vigorously and provide much more for the environment around it and will increase the nutrient density and the life cycles and the life force of the whole forest floor. And so humans like, can you imagine you're an oak tree? No oak tree has ever woken up being like, I don't think I was a very good oak tree yesterday. That birch tree was a lot sexier than me, I think. I wish I had that slender look of the aspen over there. And I'm just fat oak over here. No, it's never done it. And so the oak is the oak is the oak is the oak. So you would think that nature is so sovereign in its identity. What could a human possibly add? And we add because we have the ability to see that we're separate from the oak. And so in the perception that we're separate from the oak, we can see the oak's beauty differently than the bird that's sitting in the oak that can't differentiate itself from the oak tree. It's just, it's the element of the oak tree that sits in the nest. And so the bird can't do what a human can do for that tree. It is in our division of our perception of reality that allows us to donate something to nature that is necessary for its fullest expression. It needs to be seen by something that sees itself different than itself, separate from, so that the beauty can be fully seen in a new and different way. And when we tell it what we're seeing, it grows more vigorously. And so this is the beautiful thing about frequency from humans, is that it is a technology that works, and it works uniquely within the complexity of millions of species that are interacting on this planet, species that aren't separate from nature benefit from our telling it. I see you. I love you. I'm grateful for your shade. I love laying underneath you. I love seeing the sky through your branches. I love the way your leaves shimmer in the morning. I love the way dew forms on, on the tips of your leaves. I love the way that the birds open your respiratory pores when they sing in their song in the morning. The human seeing all of that beauty invigorates nature to it, to its beauty even more beautifully. And so this is what I mean by frequency of humans. And it's been measured very well in Faraday cages and everything else. Now. So Faraday cage is basically an electromagnetic shield that you can put over any electrical equipment you can protect, you know, satellite imaging technology that needs to not be affected by incoming electromagnetic fields. It's basically a grounded wire net that creates a shield around something inside of it.
- [115:24]
Alex Ferrari
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
- [115:27]
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- [115:59]
Katie Whelan
If you're feeling exhausted, puffy, anxious, foggy, gaining weight, or just not like yourself, you're not imagining it. Women in their 30s, 40s and 50s are experiencing massive hormonal shifts and no one is explaining what's actually happening. I'm Katie Whelan, co founder of Joy. I built Joy because I lived this. The fatigue, the mood swings, the weight changes, the confusion. Your symptoms are biological, not personal, and AI generated lab reports won't fix them. Every Joy lab includes a visit with a licensed clinician who specializes in women's hormones and connects every biomarker to how you feel energy metabolism, mood, sleep, skin weight, everything. Then we personalize real solutions, hormone therapy, peptide therapy, supplements and lifestyle protocols. Get started@joyandblogues.com today. This month, new customers get 50% off labs and you can add our estrogen face cream for just $1 with clinician approval. Use promo code podcast@joyandblokes.com.
- [117:01]
Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
- [117:05]
Dr. Zach Bush
And so they'll put a human inside of a Faraday cage, meaning they're isolating the electromagnetic generation of a human body. And then they have the human tell stories. Tell me about when your grandmother did this and oh, and so you engender a moment of love or joy. And they can monitor these frequencies that are coming out of the human body. You know you're super sexy if you just tell a human that like these frequencies come out of it that are spectacular high vibration. Now I don't think you spend enough time with your father. And your father died alone in the nursing home in 2021 under Covid. And he was alone and that guilt shame kicks in and these low vibration frequencies come out of the human. And when biology picks those up, you decrease the life force of plants around you, you decrease the life force of nature around you when you feel these low vibration things of fear, guilt, shame. And so the frequencies that we generate for the same reason that we generated the high frequency ones, we're separate from nature, therefore we can see the beauty, the danger is we are separate from nature, therefore we have fear, guilt and shame. And so our very weakness is the result of the very same phenomenon that makes us our superpower. That's pretty true in everything. Like my strengths are my greatest weaknesses. And so that's how nature works as well. Your greatest strength is going to make you vulnerable to your greatest weaknesses. And ours happens to be the dichotomy between being able to see unconditional love and express that in a unique way and experience fear, guilt and shame in our separation from everything. So vibration is real. High vibration increases that keystone species effect. Low vibration, you know, symptoms of, of our separation from nature, our abandonment disorder, decrease the vitality.
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Alex Ferrari
So then the, the food, food has, plants have vibrations obviously and frequency. So the food that we're putting into our bodies have a frequency and a vibration. So if you have something that's a little bit on a higher level of frequency, so let's say something closer to nature, salads, foods, vegetables, things like that that are alive and close, they have a higher frequency as opposed to something super processed, super in a box, you know, something that has so many chemicals in it has a very low fret. So when you're ingesting those foods, your frequency is being adjusted accordingly because you're, if you're eating fast food all the time, which is devoid of a lot of nutrients, if at anything very little, your frequency is constantly going down, hence you're going to become sicker and so on. Does that make sense?
- [119:38]
Dr. Zach Bush
It's terrifying when you think about the current condition of our food system and that reality. Because I stopped eating poultry for a long time back because my daughter wanted us to watch Food Inc. Back in 2008 or something like that. And that was the end of meat for quite a while in my life, for 14 years, a strict vegan, I taught plant based nutrition, which isn't strictly vegan, but it's more a sense of like, we gotta make the plants the foundation of everything here because they're carrying so much life force within them that's so much closer to their origin than something like a piece of processed something or a piece of meat that was processed through a high intensity feedlot. But if you look at the production of poultry right now, it's a good example of what you just said. If you close your eyes and imagine being born a bird, in this case, maybe you're a hen, you're a chicken, you've got wings and you got feathers and you're beautiful, and you've got this sense of the constant provision of nature. And nature provides tiny little seeds and insects and all kinds of things that your eyes are uniquely capable of seeing. And when you walk through a yard of earth and you walk through that nature, you're instantly struck by just the abundance around you. And so you peck all day long, consuming the abundance of nature. And through you, you process so much nutrient that you're seeding back into the earth around you, the next potential of life. And so your presence increases the diversity of seeds that are being born in the soils around you. You will create a more verdant grassland for the cycle of seeds and nutrients through you and passage through the body. And then you lay eggs, which is the potential for new life. And you do this on a daily basis. What if every three days or every one day, you were putting out another potential of a completely new life? What a beautiful existence. And then humans come along and decide that you're a good source of protein, and so they put you in a cage in which you can't ever walk. You will never actually take a step in your life. You'll be born and you will be mechanically put through a large machine that stamps you and chops your beak off and then puts you in a cage that you can't turn around in, and will feed you some form of a genetically modified grain or legume mix that puts a very small amount of nutrient into your body, such that your immune system will be failing immediately. Over the six weeks of your life as a boiler chicken, you'll be butchered at six weeks, if you survive to it. But one third of the flock has already died of invasive of bacterial infections by six weeks, because the immune system is completely shocked, because the microbiome is wiped out by the antibiotics that are put into the feed. And there's stacks and stacks of cages above you, and the chickens above you are shitting on your head, and there's urine and there's feces everywhere, and your eggs are covered with crap, and all you know is separation from nature. All you know is this hopeless state of this couldn't have been my path, this couldn't be a divine experience, whatever. This is a living hell that I've stepped into. And in my stress as that chicken, I'm putting into my DNA, I'm expressing My DNA in the most extreme state of hopelessness. And so all my DNA is in fight or flight from the moment I'm born to the moment I'm butchered six weeks later. And my whole experience is just horror. Then that ends up on a menu that says chicken salad. And the woman says, oh, I'll take the chicken salad, that sounds healthy. And moments later she's got in her mouth the meat of a bird that only knew whore. And within minutes the microrna that was carried in that meat is now carried in her bloodstream and is interacting with her DNA to change the genetic expression of her human genome. And we now know that the micro RNA from our food can account for as much as 5 to 10% of our total microarray in our bloodstream just half an hour after a meal. And so that 5 to 10% of our genome that's now absorbing this information. And then for reasons she can't understand, that woman goes into a massive panic attack as she's driving to her kids school an hour and a half later. And she knows this overwhelming sense of impending doom. If you read the DSM 4 of a panic attack, that's the number one most reported sentence out of a human's mouth is I suddenly experienced a sense of impending doom. I mean that's a pretty intense sentence. And it's weird that it was so common that it is on the top of the list of the DSM 4 psychiatric diagnostic handbook. I suddenly was overwhelmed by a sense of impending doom.
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Alex Ferrari
Generally they're not eating salads all day, generally.
- [124:24]
Dr. Zach Bush
Well, the fact is a lot of us are eating food that went through that horror every day. And we are having panic attacks at a rate that's never been seen before.
- [124:34]
Alex Ferrari
There weren't panic attacks in the 1800s.
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Dr. Zach Bush
They may have been, but they were rare. And so it took, it was rare. And so I didn't grow up with children that had depression, anxiety disorders. We just didn't have that lexicon. Now you talk to any middle school group and they've all been diagnosed with anxiety disorders, sleep disorders, chronic pain syndromes, chronic fatigue syndromes. And if you ask any of them, do you ever have a sense of impending doom, you're going to get a high percentage of 12, 13 year olds that say yes on a daily basis. I get that feeling. I don't think I'm going to survive here. I don't think this is survivable. I think, you know, so they're having this daily experience and they are living the utter stress of a food system that has no hope and has impending doom upon us.
- [125:23]
Alex Ferrari
Have you, have you heard of the concepts of grounding?
- [125:26]
Dr. Zach Bush
Yeah. Yeah.
- [125:27]
Alex Ferrari
What is your take on grounding? I've been doing it for a while now and I sleep so much better.
- [125:35]
Dr. Zach Bush
So much better. Yeah. Yeah. I started using them about 2010 or something like that, my clinic. So over the last 15 years, I've seen it work wonders in all kinds of situations. But, yeah, no, it's instantaneous. As soon as you ground the body, all kinds of good things happen. So I was using grounding mass grounding sheets on the beds so that people would at least get eight hours of grounding in because I couldn't get them to go barefoot in the garden during the day. I'm like, oh, that's all right. This is convenient because I'm going to ground you all night long. And when you ground a body, the word grounding means connecting you to a flow of electrons. And so the whole surface of the earth is covered in a blanket of electrons. And when you touch the earth with bare feet or you put your hand on the soil as you can go weed the garden. The moment you touch the weed or the soil or anything that's conductive, a sidewalk works really good. Even beaches are the best. And so you go touch nature for a moment, you're immediately connected to an electrical blanket, electrical supply of electrons that literally covers the entire surface of the earth. And at the moment you touch that, those electrons rush to the positive charges inside your body to neutralize the acid, or the positive charge that accumulates in a body that's inflamed. So inflammation and disease is positive charge, health is negative charge.
- [126:49]
Alex Ferrari
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
- [126:52]
Ryan Seacrest
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- [127:23]
Katie Whelan
If you're feeling exhausted, puffy, anxious, foggy, gaining weight, or just not like yourself, you're not imagining it. Women in their 30s, 40s, and 50s are experiencing massive hormonal shifts and no one is explaining what's actually happening. I'm Katie Whelan, co founder of Joy. I built Joy because I lived this. The fatigue, the mood swings, the weight changes, the confusion. Your symptoms are biological, not personal, and AI generated lab reports won't fix them. Every Joy lab includes a visit with a licensed clinician who specializes in women's hormones and connects every biomarker to how you feel. Energy metabolism, mood, sleep, skin weight, everything. Then we personalize real solutions. Hormone therapy, peptide therapy, supplements, and lifestyle protocols. Get started@joyandblokes.com today. This month, new customers get 50% off labs and you can add our estrogen face cream for just $1 with clinician approval. Use promo code podcast@joyandblokes.com.
- [128:26]
Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
- [128:30]
Dr. Zach Bush
And so when we talk about grounding a body, you're talking about reconnecting yourself to the life force of the earth and not expecting your body to produce all of your electrons. Mitochondria that churn away to break up the carbohydrates and fats in your diet into energy will create an electron flow. And so if you are not walking barefoot and you are isolated from earth, you're dependent on your own generative engine to create the electrons to fight inflammation and disease. If you will torch the earth now, you have a generative engine that's 25,000 miles in circumference that's making electrons for your body. And so grounding is a no brainer. We need to do it. And you know, I, I often will forget this until I'm like kind of bonking on my travels, and then I'm like, oh, I need to get my shoes off as soon as I get off the plane. And I need to walk and grasp just for a few minutes and immediately it corrects your jet lag and it corrects the inflammation you've accumulated and all that. It's, it's ludicrous that I'm not walking around grounded all the time. It's ludicrous that I tolerate sleeping in beds that aren't grounded because I know it works so well.
- [129:28]
Alex Ferrari
I take it with me everywhere now. I take my mats with me everywhere. And the connect, you connect on your feet and arms and it's just like, sit at your desk. I'm grounded all day when I'm sitting on the desk. It's really. And when you use the right product because sometimes you get those cheap knockoffs. And I did that originally. Didn't, didn't work. Then I actually got, you know, Clint.
- [129:48]
Dr. Zach Bush
Right, the guy, yeah.
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Alex Ferrari
Clint. So when I got one of his, I sat there and I, I went to bed, I was like. And I was having a lot of trouble sleeping. And I was like, you just. Can't you get up like you, like, it's such a deep sleep that you're just like, oh, God, I just, I.
- [130:03]
Dr. Zach Bush
Gotta go come up out of the water and find Earth again. Yeah, right.
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Alex Ferrari
As opposed to this light, light thing that you have without it, it's, it's mind boggling. It's mind boggling to hear that. Zach. I can keep talking to you for at least another four hours, brother. This has been so fascinating. I'm going to ask you a few questions. Ask all my guests. What is your definition of living a fulfilled life?
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Dr. Zach Bush
Presence. Unbelievable. How much time can be experienced when you become really present. And if you want to live long, I would say stop biohacking and start sitting under trees because you'll, you can live a lifetime under a tree for an hour and you'll experience so much as you reconnect to the knowingness of everything. So a life well lived is a life that experiences one present moment to the next.
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Alex Ferrari
If you had a chance to go back in time and speak to little Zach, what advice would you give him?
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Dr. Zach Bush
You're not alone if you.
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Alex Ferrari
If what would little Zach tell you? What advice would he give you?
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Dr. Zach Bush
Stop thinking. Feel more beautiful.
- [131:04]
Alex Ferrari
How do you define God or source?
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Dr. Zach Bush
Still point in the universe?
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Alex Ferrari
What is love?
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Dr. Zach Bush
The electromagnetic frequency that's generated by a human body when it sees beauty.
- [131:14]
Alex Ferrari
That's a great answer. I haven't had that one before. If you could ask God one question, what would it be?
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Dr. Zach Bush
Can you show me my beauty?
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Alex Ferrari
And what is the ultimate purpose of life?
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Dr. Zach Bush
To see the beauty.
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Alex Ferrari
And where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in the world?
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Dr. Zach Bush
Man? I would say probably go out and dig a hole in the garden and plant a tree seed and you'll find me there. If you want a more three dimensional experience, you could go to ZachBushMD.com and I've got a bunch of free education and it's kind of a portal into all the other projects that I'm doing there. We have a great joy of doing these immersive experiences right now where we're putting groups of people into seven day experiences of complete embodiment of the moment and remembering your original design from the womb. And so putting people in a womb state for seven days at a time has shown itself to be an extremely rewarding and Awe inspiring thing to witness. And so that's something you all would be welcome to experience. The soil product that nature has been showing us again and again the power of connecting human biology back to these original soil systems and the original intelligence within the Earth. That's called the intelligenceofnature.com take a look at that science there. We've peer reviewed a lot of science around how Earth reverses these wounds that we've been talking about. Nature's never allowed an injury that she didn't have a solution for. And so you can take a look at intelligence in nature under the science page there and see the deeper truth on what's actually happening. When we call gluten sensitivity, that it's actually glyphosate poisoning. And we show you the mechanisms by which glyphosate disrupts the gut lining and creates these immune reactions that then gives us the belief that we have intolerance to food. We actually just have intolerance to chemicals. The corn and the soybean may be genetically modified to be Roundup ready, but your biology is not.
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Alex Ferrari
And that is why people with gluten allergies or have celiac can eat bread sometimes in Europe or in other countries.
- [133:11]
Dr. Zach Bush
Go to Russia.
- [133:12]
Alex Ferrari
Yeah. And the bread is completely different there.
- [133:14]
Dr. Zach Bush
Yeah.
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Alex Ferrari
Different there in. Zach, do you have any parting messages for the audience?
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Dr. Zach Bush
I love you. I'm so grateful. I'm amazed to be human right now. I think I just feel very, very fortunate today to have been embodied again today. I mean, the universe conspired to allow me to live again today. I have no free will to live tomorrow. But if another day of life comes to me to share another meal with all of you, I feel very grateful.
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Alex Ferrari
Zach, you are like a monk, a spiritual monk, dancing inside of a doctor's body. It's beautiful, man. It is such a beautiful. You have such a beautiful energy to you and your point of views on things and. You mean like you were saying, the path has been perfect for you. If you wouldn't have gone down the paths of academia and all the things, you wouldn't be able to be doing the work you're doing today.
- [134:15]
Dr. Zach Bush
I wouldn't be me.
- [134:16]
Alex Ferrari
Exactly.
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Dr. Zach Bush
I wouldn't give back a second of it.
- [134:19]
Alex Ferrari
Brother, I appreciate you so much. I look forward to our next conversation and thank you for helping awaken this planet, my friend. So I appreciate you.
- [134:25]
Dr. Zach Bush
I'm ready for the next level. Soul.
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Alex Ferrari
Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today. If you feel called to explore this conversation further, you'll find the show notes for this episode@nextlevelsoul.com 588 and if your soul is craving an even deeper journey, step into Next Level Soul tv, our streaming sanctuary for spiritual films, documentaries, original shows, guided meditations, channeling sessions, audiobooks and transformative teachings. It's a space created to support your awakening, your healing and your return to the truth of who you really are. Begin your journey at Next Level Soul tv. Until next time. Keep expanding, keep seeking and keep walking your path towards the next level of your soul.
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