NLS 641: Indigenous Psychic REVEALS the MYSTERIOUS Spirits GUIDING & PROTECTING You Every Day with Shawn Leonard

Summary

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Next Level Soul Podcast (NLS 641) Summary

Indigenous Psychic REVEALS the MYSTERIOUS Spirits GUIDING & PROTECTING You Every Day with Shawn Leonard
Host: Alex Ferrari | Guest: Shawn Leonard
Date: November 22, 2025

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Overview

In this deeply engaging episode, Alex Ferrari welcomes back Indigenous psychic and medium Shawn Leonard to discuss the profound spiritual connection humans have with animal totems. Drawing from indigenous traditions—his own Mi’kmaq heritage and cross-cultural wisdom—Shawn explores how totem and spirit animals provide guidance, protection, and life lessons throughout our journey. The episode covers everything from the ancestral roots of the animal nation to personal stories of animal encounters, practical tips for connecting with your totems, and expands into interdimensional beings like Sasquatch. Shawn shares insights from his new book "Walking with Your Spirit Totem Animals," weaving personal narratives, indigenous teachings, and mystical experiences to help listeners deepen their own connection to the animal kingdom and their own souls.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. What Are Spirit Totem Animals?

• Indigenous cultures globally honor the "animal nation," believing certain animals serve as spiritual guides and protectors (06:32).
• Totem animals represent spiritual energies; they aren't confined to one ethnicity or location—examples span from Mi’kmaq Bear Clans to Hindu and Celtic traditions.
• Animal clans were also early forms of societal organization, dictating marriage rules for genetic diversity (07:44).
• This ancient knowledge was almost lost to colonization and is now reawakening (09:15).

Quote:

"We can't walk through life in harmony without the animal nation... I feel like they carry messages for us."
– Shawn Leonard (06:52)

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2. Totem Animals Across Cultures & History

• Similar traditions exist in Latin America ("Coco" spirit animals), Africa, Aboriginal Australia, Egypt, and more (06:09, 10:27).
• Even Christianity, Shawn notes, graphically depicts angels as winged beings, blending human and animal imagery (11:27).

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3. Personal Connection & Initiation to Spirit Animals

• Shawn shares his own Mi’kmaq roots: identified with the Bear Clan, but later discovered his unique personal totems—the Eagle, White Buffalo, Polar Bear, and Owl—often through vivid dreams and synchronicities (16:11, 29:53, 31:33).
• Totemic connections can be validated through real-world signs and objects—Shawn receives multiple polar bear claws after ceremonial requests (43:42, 48:22).
• Personal stories of meeting and being protected by bears in the wild underscore the concept of 'Power Animals' offering active protection (33:16, 40:39).

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4. Totem Animals, the Medicine Wheel, & Life Stages

• The medicine wheel divides human life into four stages: infancy, youth, adulthood, elderhood (29:45). Each is associated with different totem spirits that guide and challenge us as our needs evolve (31:48).
• Shawn describes how as he entered his elder years, the owl medicine began offering him wisdom (31:33).

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5. Reconnection with Nature & Balance

• Shawn recounts the White Buffalo Calf Woman prophecy—a call to restore balance with Nature and the animal nation, warning that humanity's survival depends on ecosystem harmony (21:27, 25:00).
• Modern detachment from food sources and disrespect for animal spirit is contrasted with indigenous practices of gratitude and prayer after a hunt (20:05, 99:20).

Quote:

“If there's not balance, we won’t be able to survive or live upon this earth for a super long time… it's time for us to care for them."
– Shawn Leonard (25:11)

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6. Power, Messenger, and Spirit Animals

• Distinction is made between spirit totem animals (guidance), power animals (protection), and messenger animals (signs from the spirit world or ancestors) (40:39, 102:11).

Examples:

• Shawn’s polar bear dream—polar bear as protector during a challenging lawsuit (40:39)
• Alex’s experience of recurring blue jays after his father’s passing, interpreted as a message from his dad (101:46).
• Animal encounters (feathers, visits, dreams) often coincide with life milestones, transitions, or after the loss of loved ones.

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7. Indigenous Animal Teachings: The Seven Grandfathers

• Teachings connect seven animals with virtues:
  • Wolf (Humility),
  • Turtle (Truth),
  • Bear (Bravery),
  • Eagle (Love),
  • Buffalo (Respect),
  • Beaver (Wisdom),
  • Sabe/Bigfoot (Honesty) (17:26, 54:57, 78:07).
• Each virtue is seen as “medicine”—a lesson embodied by the corresponding animal (18:25, 54:57).

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8. Sabe / Sasquatch / Bigfoot and Other Interdimensional Beings

• Shawn discusses his perspective and personal experience with Sasquatch (Sabe), understood in Mi’kmaq tradition as a spiritual, interdimensional being and an embodiment of honesty (59:51, 61:12, 78:07).
• Sasquatch, just like fairies and gnomes in other cultures, may exist as "interdimensional" or spirit phenomena, sometimes glimpsed in altered states or when frequencies align (62:38, 66:07, 67:41).
• Tales of gnomes and little people appear in indigenous and European folklore, often as tricksters or protectors (76:08).

Quote:

“Sasquatch has walked upon Earth as a great nation at some point. And I do feel like they have the ability to transcend the physical and spiritual and take form for moments of time where people can see them.”
– Shawn Leonard (62:49)

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9. Dreams, Altered States, & Ceremonial Practice

• Vision quests, sweat lodges, and solitary fasting are traditional methods for connecting with animal spirits and receiving guidance (90:57, 94:28).
• Animals often appear in dreams or meditations at critical life junctures, offering medicine appropriate for the stage or challenges being faced (29:53).

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10. Practical Steps for Connecting with Your Animal Totems

• Look within: reflect on lifelong animal affinities, recurring dreams, or signs (52:27, 53:01).
• Conduct a simple personal ceremony—make an offering, say a heartfelt prayer in a sacred space, and invite your spirit totem to reveal itself (54:08).
• Observe messengers in nature—feathers, visitation by specific animals, and symbolic encounters are all significant (101:46).
• Shawn offers meditations and ceremonial prayers on his website alongside his new book (141:15).

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11. Animals as Soul Family and Reincarnation

• Animals often travel with us through lifetimes and may reincarnate to teach us lessons, support us through transitions, or embody unresolved “karma” (107:21, 108:54).
• Shawn and Alex share intimate stories of pets whose presence, timing, and even manner of passing corresponds with family changes and spiritual growth (106:03, 109:28).

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12. Ancestral Guidance, Oral Tradition, and the Oversoul

• Many indigenous ceremonies (e.g., the Waltis water bowl) involve direct communication with ancestors for guidance, healing, or remembrance of lost traditions (114:40, 117:28).
• Shawn explains the concept of the oversoul: ancestors or guides may be “echoes” of their incarnated selves, with multiple aspects in existence—expanding on spiritual interconnectedness and past life memory (120:43).

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13. Notable Quotes & Moments

On Indigenous Wisdom:

"We are remembering. We are relearning some of these concepts." (09:15, Shawn Leonard)

On Modern Disconnection:

"We've had a very big disconnect with our food and the animal kingdom..." (20:33, Alex Ferrari)

On the Simplicity of Animal Message:

“Reconnect to us. Remember that we are one.” (142:08, Shawn Leonard)

On Life’s Nonlinear Journey:

“I trust the path. You have to roll with it. ... I don’t go looking for people to build this. They will come, they will show up and everything will align.” (129:59, 138:31, Shawn Leonard)

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Notable Timestamps

• 03:54 – Warm introduction and background
• 06:32 – What is a spirit totem animal?
• 16:11 – Mi’kmaq names and the story of receiving ‘White Eagle’ as a spirit name
• 21:27 – The prophecy of the White Buffalo Calf Woman
• 29:45 – The four stages of life and evolving animal guides
• 40:39 – Dream of polar bears and lessons about power animal protection
• 54:57 – The Seven Grandfathers Teachings and their animal medicines
• 59:51 – Sasquatch in Indigenous lore and interdimensional beings
• 76:07 – Personal stories about gnomes/little people in Mi’kmaq tradition
• 90:57 – Ceremonial practices: sweat lodge, fasting, and trance
• 101:46 – Real-life animal messengers: blue jays after bereavement
• 107:21 – Animals as soul family and repeated lifetimes
• 114:40 – Indigenous ancestor-connecting ceremonies and the Waltis bowl
• 120:43 – Oversoul and multidimensional aspects of ancestors/guides
• 142:08 – If the animal kingdom could say one thing: "Reconnect to us. Remember that we are one."

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Concluding Takeaways

Shawn Leonard’s insights reveal that animal totems are not mere symbols but living connections—threads in the web between humanity and all life, seen and unseen. By honoring animal spirits, practicing gratitude and ceremony, and attentively observing the world around us, we reawaken innate wisdom and divine guidance. In a time marked by disconnection, the call is simple and universal: remember, reconnect, and walk in harmony with all our relations.

Recommended Actions:

• Reflect on recurring animal encounters in your life; pay attention to signs.
• Consider a simple offering or prayer to invite your animal totems to reveal themselves.
• Approach all animals, and nature itself, with respect, gratitude, and conscious stewardship.

For More:
Visit ShawnLeonard.com for free meditations, ceremonial prayers, and information about his book and teachings. Watch “Spirit Talker” and more deep-dive interviews on NextLevelSoul.tv.

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“It doesn’t have to be complex... Reconnect to us. Remember that we are one.”
— Shawn Leonard

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Transcript

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[Alex Ferrari]

Welcome to the Next Level Soul Podcast where we ask the big questions about life. Why are we here? Is this all there is? What is my Soul's mission? We attempt to answer those questions and more by bringing you raw and inspiring conversations with some of the most fascinating and thought provoking guests on the planet today. I am your host, Alex Ferrari. Now, before we dive into today's conversation, I want to invite you to experience something truly transformative. Next Level Soul tv, Our spiritual streaming platform where seekers from around the world can awaken, heal and expand. We've curated a powerful collection of life changing documentaries, Deep dive interviews, original series, audiobooks, courses, master classes and and live events all focused on conscious personal transformation, ancient wisdom and the soul's journey. This isn't just content, it's a calling. Whether you're exploring your spiritual gifts, seeking answers from the beyond, or just craving something real in a noisy world, Next Level Soul TV was made just for you. And here's the best part. It's Commercial free, available around the world and growing every week with new soul expanding content. So if you're ready to go deeper, head over to Next LevelSoul TV and start streaming your awakening. Now, let's begin today's episode Disclaimer. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the guest and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of the show, its host, or any of the companies they represent. Now, guys, today we welcome back one of my. One of my favorite guests and honestly, one of my favorite people in the world, Shawn Leonard, who is an indigenous psychic. And his lovely, amazing show, Spirit Talker is also on Next Level Soul tv. If you haven't had a chance to watch it, it is pretty transformative to say the least. And we are working on getting season two of Spirit Talker on soon as well. But in this conversation, we talk about something I've never talked about on the show, which is totem animals, totem animal spirits. How you can connect to the energy of your totem animal spirits and much, much more. This is. I just love this conversation, guys. So let's dive in. I'd like to welcome back to the show returning champion, Shawn Leonard. Man, how you doing, Sean?

[Sean Leonard]

Oh, it's so awesome, Alex. So I think it's super cool to be a returning champion. Just so you know.

[Alex Ferrari]

I appreciate you coming back down.

[Sean Leonard]

I absolutely love you. I love your show, I love your audience. I love everybody that's on as guests. So I feel very honored and privileged to be back here.

[Alex Ferrari]

You've made the trip from the Great White north, sir.

[Sean Leonard]

He's not so white right now still, thankfully. But the leaves are getting different colors right now. Yeah, but a little chilly.

[Alex Ferrari]

But when you walked out here, you.

[Sean Leonard]

Were like, oh, this is hot.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's a little, little crispy out here. Is that the devil I just saw? Exactly. But. Well, first of all, thank you for being part of the Soul Mastery Summit. We had. Your. Your sessions were like one of the favorites. People loved your sessions because you just telling story after story after story. And it was just such a beaut. And I sat there like this, just sat there. Tell me, Sean.

[Sean Leonard]

I have that natural ability of talking.

[Alex Ferrari]

You are storyteller.

[Sean Leonard]

It could be a curse to my wife, but other than that, it's.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's brother from. From another talker to a talker to another talker.

[Sean Leonard]

There we go.

[Alex Ferrari]

My wife is also the same like, okay, can we. This is a lot.

[Sean Leonard]

I'm like, michelle, are you still listening to me?

[Alex Ferrari]

I stopped 15 years ago.

[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Alex Ferrari]

Have a New book coming out and we're gonna talk. I've never had this conversation on the show, which is exciting for me. You have a book called Walking with your spirit Totem Animals Discovering the four animals that guide you through life. So I've heard of obviously, totems. You know, even the American Indians have those totem poles. Yeah, totem poles, right. And the different totems. And you know, every major sports franchise has a totem.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Many of them are animal totems. You know, like the cougars, the Jaguars, the Dolphins. I'm very sad. I'm a Dolphin fan. Been sad since the Blue Jays just.

[Sean Leonard]

Won the other day.

[Alex Ferrari]

Look at that. You know the fierce Blue Jays. That's right, the fierce attacking Blue Jays. But so explain to me what is a spirit totem animal? What, what do you mean by like connecting to your specific animal? Because from our, from the Latino culture, and this is more Mexican than Cuban, but we have, if you saw Coco, the Coco movie, the movie Coco about the day of the dead, there are spirit animals.

[Sean Leonard]

Okay.

[Alex Ferrari]

There's in the, in the Mexican culture who on the other side are protectors of you and, and guide you and help you along the way. So in the Latino culture, we are aware of these kind of things.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

As well. So I'm somewhat familiar with like, you know, a totem animal or an animal that helps you or guides you through the side. But tell me what, tell me, sir, explain to me what this is.

[Sean Leonard]

Well, in indigenous culture, you know, we're. We have a deep relationship and connection to the animal nation. And it's not just indigenous people. Obviously what you're saying is the Mexican people and Egyptian people, you know, the pagans, the Celtics, you know, there's so many cross cultural people. The Hindu people especially too.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, yeah.

[Sean Leonard]

You know, I mean, so pre Christianity, pre kind of new thought of what we thought was new thought 2,000 years ago, which an ascended master came and we kind of like started to kind of drown out all other kind of ideals, especially within Turtle island or North America, that even indigenous people kind of lost our connection to the understanding of the animal nation. And it's really, I feel, coming back and I think we, you know, we can't walk through life in harmony without with the animal nation. Many of us have pets or many of us receive signs of messages from the spirit world, from animals as well, or insect nation or, you know, ocean creatures, et cetera, animals of the air. And I feel like that they carry messages for us. And you know, growing up, I'm from the Bear Nation. I'm Mi' kmaq from Nova Scotia, Canada.

[Alex Ferrari]

So the Mi' Kmaq is a bear. Is there a totem?

[Sean Leonard]

No, there's different totems in relation to, you know, that we have. What's the word I'm looking for? But they're clans.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay, so the Bear Clan.

[Sean Leonard]

The Bear Clan. There's the Eagle Clan, the Caribou Clan, The Beaver Clan, etc.

[Alex Ferrari]

The Blue Jay Clan.

[Sean Leonard]

I don't know of any Blue Jay Clans, but it sounds like a pretty cool one.

[Alex Ferrari]

They're in Toronto. I.

[Sean Leonard]

Yes, but the clan system was predominantly set up in indigenous people to. Because we didn't have last names.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay.

[Sean Leonard]

So to genetically have a strong tribe, you didn't marry people if you were from the Bear Clan, you didn't marry people within the Bear Clan.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, so you. You actually were. You were actually not forced, but you were, like, encouraged to marry outside of your clan. That's a good sign. That's. You don't need a bunch of inbred bears.

[Sean Leonard]

So we know. Right, so.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right.

[Sean Leonard]

That's why it was so important to connect with other cultures, other indigenous people. And that' why sometimes there was trades within communities that had different clan systems so that we would be healthy and well, and it's something we would have known throughout the ages.

[Alex Ferrari]

So that's very interesting. So even at the. And this is. We're going back hundreds, if not thousands of years of this kind of stuff, they knew that we can't marry within this gene pool. We need to strengthen our immunity in our lives. We need to kind of mix with.

[Sean Leonard]

Other cultures, with other cultures and societies of indigenous people.

[Alex Ferrari]

So they knew that. At a base level, they did. At a base level, they're like, no, we're Bear Clan. We only meet with Bear Clan. No, no, no. We're beautiful.

[Sean Leonard]

Being from the Bear Clan, even though growing up and knowing this, because I was taught this by the chief of Mabuga First Nation, which is the nation which I'm from or connected to, that. I really never had any strong connections to the Animal Nation as I was young, because, I mean, again, you know, indigenous people have lost their culture predominantly because of, like, colonization and residential schools and all these things, which has kind of been stripped from us of our understanding, our ideals that elders have been passed down to us. So we're remembering. We are relearning some of these concepts. In a sense, there's elders that would be able to pass these things down, but there are few. And so for me, particularly. Particularly, predominantly, it wasn't you know, growing up, I had an immense connection to Animal Nation. And, you know, I used to have a pet raccoon, a pet crow. I'd saved a few other birds in my time, and I had cats and dogs and we had what you call, like animal fur family, you know, So I felt very strong. And we do today, right? And, you know, even back to Egyptian times, you know, they had, you know, they revered their cats and their connection to cats. Right. And they were even buried with their cats.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. Poor cats.

[Sean Leonard]

Hopefully they finish their life.

[Alex Ferrari]

Hopefully they finish like, oh, he's that. Damn it, I gotta go too.

[Sean Leonard]

But, you know, our ancestors are helping us remember our cross cultural connection with Animal Nation and how it's kind of like appeared to me, in a sense, even though I'm an indigenous person, was through dreams.

[Alex Ferrari]

As I was thinking, as you're talking, I was thinking, I'm like, every culture has this. I mean, Africa, for God's sakes. Africa, absolutely. And Australia within the Aborigine. And it's a very kind of not primitive but base thing of. We had a deeper connection with the animal nation in our past. And we've kind of lost that as we've gotten more intellectual or more this or more that. We've lost the feeling of it. But now people are. It's kind of like we've gone over the hill a little bit and now we're like, no, no, this religion thing's not really working out for us. Let's start going back to things that were pagan or things like that and connecting with your animal, your animal partner and things like that.

[Sean Leonard]

I think that, you know, even in Christianity, if you think about it, you know, they have spiritual beings have not ever lived a life on earth. And angels that are across kind of human nation and the bird nation.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, yeah. The way it's depicted.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah, yeah, it's depicted that way. Do they appear that way to all people all the time? No, they don't. I've met angels myself, as one does. Yes, right. And they appear to people differently.

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[Sean Leonard]

And I don't think they necessarily need to appear as a winged with a.

[Alex Ferrari]

Flaming sword and shield.

[Sean Leonard]

No, absolutely. Have I seen an angel like that? Yeah, I recently have had that experience.

[Alex Ferrari]

Beautiful.

[Sean Leonard]

I have a course called Spirit Talker Tribe and at the end of the year we have a gathering within the course. It's called Spirit Talker Tribe Live and it's for all my students who come and there's a lady doing readings on my session named Lisa Dawn Bryan and she's a first year student. She's really stepping into her abilities and so I give people who are really stepping into their abilities at the live session if they would like to get up and do sessions. She stood up on stage and she did session. She did amazing. I was so proud of her because I was a big part of that development and unfoldment within her. So I'm really grateful. I feel like a proud daddy in a sense of like helping people become the people they need to be. That's beautiful. And so as she was speaking I saw something with her and it was psychically, not like physically but you know, psychically through clairvoyance. I saw this beautiful woman standing with her arms outstretched with like feathers all beneath her arms. And I Said, that is so strange. I said, lisa, I said, I just saw this. She says, well, that was the lady who came to me in my near death experience. This is the lady who brought me back to. To earth when I died.

[Alex Ferrari]

So it's an angel.

[Sean Leonard]

It was an angel. Now, in indigenous culture, like, we celebrate the connection, the cross culture connection between the animal nation and the human nation, and hence our powwows. You may have heard of a powwow before. In Mi', Kmaq, we call them mauiomis, which is the gatherings. And as we gather, then we may embody the prairie chicken or the bear or the wolf or the fox, or even the great eagle. And there's different dances and ceremonies that we would do to kind of like represent that.

[Alex Ferrari]

And those ceremonies, are they about connecting or, like, are you trying to connect with the spirit? Like, what does that mean exactly?

[Sean Leonard]

Is it a celebration, your spirit for a short time? And it doesn't necessarily have to be your totem. It may be, you know, maybe for myself, I would. I would maybe dress up as a bear or the eagle or et cetera, because those are some of my totems.

[Alex Ferrari]

I see that you have an eagle.

[Sean Leonard]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

So are you. Is that because that's not your clan, your clan's bear?

[Sean Leonard]

No.

[Alex Ferrari]

So. So why do you wear the. The eagle?

[Sean Leonard]

Well, out of curiosity, it's in the seven grandfather teachings. One, but my name is Wabak Gipu Aguna Mahajik Jigmahammajik en Mi'. Kmaq.

[Alex Ferrari]

Easy for you to say, sir.

[Sean Leonard]

Just so you know, I'm gonna get test you after, see if you can say that. I have a hard enough time saying it. Forgot.

[Alex Ferrari]

I don't. I'm not good with names. Bob White Eagle Spirit talker. Okay.

[Sean Leonard]

That is my.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's the translation.

[Sean Leonard]

That's their translation in English, which is my Mi' kmaq name in English is White Eagle Spirit Talker. So I carry eagle medicine. Now, mind you, even though when the elder had gifted me the name, I had been finding eagle feathers everywhere. But that summer, I was in Newfoundland visiting some of my relatives and close to the Mabuga First Nation. And I was out on a few beaches and I found three white tail feathers from an eagle. I didn't tell the elder. And then I come home and I thought it was very kind of significant that I would find three white tail feathers. And then when he went into trance and then, you know, he was gifting me my name through ceremony, he kind of goes into an altered state of channeledness of sorts and then says you're to be known as wabakipu agun magic jigga mamajik, which is white eagle spirit talker. And so then I felt that the eagle nation had been with me. And, and it's the highest of all the seven grandfather teachings. Because there's seven grandfather teachings. Number one, the wolf humility. Number two, truth turtle. Number three, bravery bear. I got him on order here. So you just love eagle. Yes, because I, I, I find when I'm on the spotlight, sometimes I, I, I forget things. Right. So I'd rather not forget this. This is pretty important.

[Alex Ferrari]

Sure.

[Sean Leonard]

Respect, Buffalo, wisdom, Beaver and sabe, or bigfoot, which is honesty.

[Alex Ferrari]

You say Bigfoot?

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay. We'll talk about that in a minute.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. That's, that's one that everybody's going to be interested in. But love is kind of the foundation of the sound seven grandfathers teachings, which is what eagle embodies. So how I approach my work as a spirit talker, you know, and a psychic medium, as some people may know, I'm an indigenous psychic medium. That love is how I approach all my work, how I approach spirit, how I approach the ancestors, and that's how they approach me and respect me in equal in return. So it's a medicine that I carry. It's within my name. And that's why on the eagle that they have the heart. Now there's also on the eagle, you may see some strawberries, you know, and strawberries in indigenous culture represents a heart medicine. So it's medicine that different plants can help us with in life. And it's good medicine for your heart and to walk through life. It's even in the shape of your heart, if you think about it, of course. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

So like the walnut is in the shape of your brain, right?

[Sean Leonard]

Absolutely. Your brain. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Cauliflower.

[Sean Leonard]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Looks broccoli. Those have kind of brain as esque.

[Sean Leonard]

They're good for you. It's awesome.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's pretty amazing. Nature's amazing.

[Sean Leonard]

Absolutely. So love flies, you know, or the eagle and the medicine of unconditional love that it carries, why we see it that way. And the condor for southern southern Native American people would be very similar as the eagle nation. But the eagle flies higher than all the other birds, closer to what we say is gazook, or grandfather's son, or nis gum, which is grandfather sun in the sky, which we feel and see as the first physical emanation of light within our solar system. But we're all star people. We're all made from the stars, we're stardust. So we see that when we. That's why we're all drawing kind of unconsciously to sunsets or to the sunrise and, you know, just standing in the sun and feeling it. There's just this kind of, like, unconditional love that comes from the sun itself. It doesn't like Shawn. You know, Shawn only on Sean or shine over.

[Alex Ferrari]

There might be a Shawn out there who believes that the sun is only for him.

[Sean Leonard]

Exactly. It shines upon everyone unconditionally. So that's that kind of like representation of the heart of our solar system. And that first light as the eagle flies higher. That eagle receives first, and it can fly above all the storms. It can see from higher perspectives in the world and see the world as a much greater space of being as opposed to its own personal experience. So that's why we connect that medicine, that spiritual medicine, to the ego itself. Does that make sense?

[Alex Ferrari]

That makes perfect sense. Okay, so I find this so fascinating. One thing I've noticed that I've kind of seen over the years is indigenous people from around the world, they have a much greater respect for animal life and for plant life and for Mother Earth and all of that. I'll never forget. I love the Last of the Mohicans. That movie was beautiful. In the beginning, opening scene. Do you remember Last of Mohicans?

[Sean Leonard]

I don't. It's funny that you mentioned this because it's so strangely. Because for whatever reason on my Facebook, one of the little algorithms of videos, the last Louis Hickens showed up and it was the last battle, not the beginning, unfortunately.

[Alex Ferrari]

So the beginning of that movie is a hunt. And when they are chasing a deer and they're trying to. And they're trying to kill it. And then when they finally get it, they go down and they pray around it, saying, thank you for giving your life to feed us and so on. That is a very kind of. And when I say primitive, I don't mean that in a negative way. Just kind of like a base. Base level idea almost. Just like. It's just what it is. It's the right thing to do. We've lost that. We've had a very big disconnect with our food and an animal. In the animal kingdom, though, I think you're right. There is starting to make a.

[Sean Leonard]

We're starting to be more conscious of that.

[Alex Ferrari]

We're starting to be more conscious of that.

[Sean Leonard]

We have to be. I mean, there's a. Have you heard of the white buffalo calf woman prophecy?

[Alex Ferrari]

No.

[Sean Leonard]

Okay, well, The White Buffalo Calf woman was an ascendant master, okay, that had visited the Lakota Nakota people way back in the day. And she had come and brought a pipe and helped the indigenous people who lost their understanding of what their culture and their ceremonies were. So she brought the sacred pipe, which is just a tool for prayer and connection and remembering the connection of all things. So she taught them things, and then she passed away. But before she passed away, she kind of disappeared from my understanding, as some ascended masters do that. She said, I will come back, but when I do come back, I'll come back with a message about I'll come back as the White Buffalo. So the White Buffalo represents this kind of pay attention again to the balance of nature and all things within the world. And I know that you have Spirit Talker show. Yes, we have spirit Talker Season 1.

[Alex Ferrari]

On Next Level Soul TV, sir.

[Sean Leonard]

On Next Level Soul TV.

[Alex Ferrari]

Very popular.

[Sean Leonard]

People love it, sir.

[Alex Ferrari]

People love it.

[Sean Leonard]

Which is on there and season one, and we're working on season two and season three now.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Sean Leonard]

But, you know, in season four, I went to Sioux Valley Dakota Nation, and, you know, way back when I first started to get reconnected to my culture, I met this man, Andre Chevalier, who was an Algonquin medium, and he gifted me something. And it never really clicked to me until much later in life, but he gifted me a little glass bead that had ashes of the white buffalo. And what's the significance of him gifting me that? And I kept it, and I never thought about it anymore. And then here I am filming season four of Spirit Talker, and I'm in Sioux Valley Dakota Nation, and they have 16 white buffalo.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Sean Leonard]

They have, they have a herd of buffalo and you know, the odds of a white buffalo coming into the world are significant. Like, I don't know, it's like one to the millions.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. I mean there's some in Utah.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah. But they started. And the reason why they started to become more apparent to us is because they're sending a message from white buffalo calf woman about how we're to remember the connection between us and all things in nature and within the animal nation itself. Because if there's not balance, we won't be able to survive or live upon this earth for a super long time. Because that's why it's so important that we keep in mind, you know, not, not allowing animals to go instinct. Because there's a, like a delicate ecosystem within mother earth that we have to care for. And you know, if we don't become stewards of the land, stewards of the animal nation and the Sioux Valley people are stewards of the buffalo because they have given us life, indigenous people for so long that they were caretakers to us. They provided food, sustenance, clothing, you know, things to wrap our tools to wrap our teepees and wigwams in that now it's time for us to care for them. Does it mean that we cannot harvest an animal from time to time? Yes, I'm pretty sure they're not harvesting white buffaloes, but. Because you would think. Yeah, I would think.

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[Sean Leonard]

They've never mentioned that.

[Alex Ferrari]

But here in America.

[Sean Leonard]

Well, in Canada, a little bit different, but they, you know, and I know they harvested animals from time to time, but they keep a healthy herd that is strong and filling the, you know, in season four, I got to meet eye to eye some of the white buffalo.

[Alex Ferrari]

Wow.

[Sean Leonard]

And it was Profound.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, I got. I was in Utah, and I actually went to see one, and they're pretty. Pretty amazing. Yeah, they're pretty amazing.

[Sean Leonard]

And, you know, one of the things that the elder had me do when I was there was tie a tobacco prayer tie onto the fence of where the buffalo were. And when I stared at the white buffalo, he stared me in the eye, and it was almost like he was downloading me with information, like he was telling me his stories, telling me about his life and what he represents within the world. And so I prayed. I tied my prayer tie to the fence, and he. And he come and put his head on my tie, and it was like he was hearing my words. And I was praying for his people. I was praying for my nation of people, their nation of people. I was praying for all people of the world to live life and learn about balance and remembering who we are in that ecosystem. You know, we. And we think of. And I know just recently, which is sad, because just the other day, I got a message from somebody that said, well, spirit. Animals don't have spirits, right?

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, yeah. Animals don't have souls.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Anyone who's ever looked into an eye of an animal.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah, exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

You can't tell me there's not something in there.

[Sean Leonard]

No. They carry love. They carry so many things. Death. I mean, we all are created from the same source, right? And we have a word, en Mi', kmaq, which in all indigenous cultures, we say, M sitnogama En'. Kmaq. But it's all my relationships, and all of our ceremonies, our prayers are words that we speak. We end that way. We start that way. It's because it's acknowledging the connection between Grandfather Sun, Grandmother Moon, Mother Earth, us, the seven directions, all the nations that walk upon Mother Earth or swim in the waters, that fly in the sky. And it's important to remember that all of these things are important. They all have a spirit. And, you know, when indigenous people do, we do our ceremonies. You know, we honor those directions. We start in Migma culture. We start in the east, where the sun rises, right. That first light. The first light. And then we go around, and then we honor Mother Earth, you know, Grandfather sun or Niskam. And then we have to honor ourselves as well. And that's one of those medicines that ego brings to us, because the heart is on the eagle. And to be an effective healer, teacher, speaker, podcast person who's out there spreading wisdom and knowledge, you have to love yourself, too. And I think this is where, unfortunately, maybe a lot of face and Beliefs have put God on a pedestal or, you know, on a throne and. And forgotten that God or creator is everywhere. There's no place that creator is not right. And that that delicate balance is deeply connected to us. And I feel like the animals are reconnecting to us now to help us remember that. And ancient cultures, ancient belief systems, had that understanding and knowledge, but it's been lost somewhat, and it's coming back again. And I think more people are going to have dreams of animals.

[Alex Ferrari]

You mention in the book the four life stages.

[Sean Leonard]

The four stages of life?

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes, the four stages of life and how the spirit animals evolve with us through those four. Can you explain that?

[Sean Leonard]

Well, because I feel like we have specific animals that are connected to us right from birth, and we, you know, according to the medicine wheel teachings, because that's a big part of indigenous teachings is the medicine wheel. You know, it starts in the eastern direction. There's four directions, but they also represent not just the direction, the cardinal directions, but also stages of life. Infancy, youth, adulthood, and elder stage of life. And for me, and this is where this wisdom has come to me, I feel like it's being given to me by the animals and the ancestors is that was not taught to me by physical people. I know about the stages of life from the medicine wheel, but what I didn't realize is that these animal medicines, even though they may have been attached or connected to me on my life, I've become more aware of them at different stages of my life. So very early on in my life, the ego was obviously very connected to me. It became my indigenous name. And then. And then I was gifted the medicine of the white buffalo. I connected deeply to a polar bear. That was very profound. And that is, like, so amazing. And as of recently, and I feel like, because at the different stages, I'm not an elder just yet, and. And that's something has to be bestowed upon you by somebody within your community. That's not something I can just say, oh, I'm an elder.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right. It's like being part of the Jedi Council.

[Sean Leonard]

Right. You're not ready to be a Jedi.

[Alex Ferrari]

You need Yoda to go. You may join the council.

[Sean Leonard]

That's right. So. But recently I had the medicine of the owl connect to me.

[Alex Ferrari]

Interesting.

[Sean Leonard]

And I know I'm moving into that medicine because I'm 53 and typically an indigenous culture, you know, around 55 or older. You could put possibly, potentially for. Be respected as an elder at that time.

[Alex Ferrari]

I mean, you do get a discount at the movie theater. So I'm Just saying.

[Sean Leonard]

I'll be using that one.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm almost there, sir. I'm almost there. A few more years.

[Sean Leonard]

But I feel like at different stages of my life, I've noticed that at least four animals, and I'm not saying only four, but there's different animals that have come to you at different stages of life. And I've become more aware of that now.

[Alex Ferrari]

But when you say polar bear. Polar bear is not part. Is polar bear part of the culture in general? Do you see polar bear in your land where your tribe was? No.

[Sean Leonard]

No. Well, in Newfoundland, in northern Newfoundland, sometimes on the ice flow, polar bears to come over to the, to the island.

[Alex Ferrari]

So it's not like a completely. No foreign animal.

[Sean Leonard]

It is, it's not like a typically known animal that would be connected to the indigenous people, but we would have known about them because they, they still come over every now and then.

[Alex Ferrari]

Like a kangaroo that you just decided. I'm really associated with the kangaroo. There's no kangaroos anywhere in this continent.

[Sean Leonard]

Well, they come over on the ice, right? And then the ice melts and they can't find their way back. So sometimes they have to tranquilize them and bring them back to like Labrador, which is another part of mainland Newfoundland, because there's an island of Newfoundland, so up in northern part of Grossmore and Park and stuff. Sometimes a polar bear will show up in your backyard.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's not something you want.

[Sean Leonard]

No, no.

[Alex Ferrari]

Out of all the bears, they're the most vicious. They're the biggest and the strongest. Right? They are like, even, even grizzlies are massive, but polar bears are no joke.

[Sean Leonard]

Just probably the largest land mammal I feel like, in regards to, like the bear nation, anyway. For sure.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. I mean, obviously elephant, but it's, it's massive.

[Sean Leonard]

Yes. To the, and so with the, with the, the bear. I mean, I didn't know. I, Although I've had many encounters through my life with bears and, and some of them are pretty freaky. I, I, you know, when I was young, you know, run into the woods with my, with my dog, one of my fur family, right? I didn't know there was a bear. And I was, I was going back there fishing and then the dog just took off in a bush beside me and out pounced this young black bear.

[Alex Ferrari]

Was it a baby bear?

[Sean Leonard]

It was a young, it was a young black bear.

[Alex Ferrari]

It wasn't baby bear because, God. Because if a baby bear, you know, mama's around somewhere.

[Sean Leonard]

Well, I, hopefully my dog would have my back at that time. But the Bear just ran off. And there was another time because way back, you might not know this, but I used to have like an eight pack. Used to be really in shape, sir.

[Alex Ferrari]

We all did.

[Sean Leonard]

I used to be like really fit back in the day, just so you know. And I used to do these racing called adventure racing. And through the adventure racing I did, the race that I did was called the full moon in June. And the full moon in June always took place on the full moon of June, of course. And it was like a three day race. It was a 36 to 42 hour race. You did it with a team of four people and you have to have one person of the opposite sex. And it was through the mountains of Alberta and British Columbia.

[Alex Ferrari]

Sean, stop it. I'm exhausted.

[Sean Leonard]

I'm exhausted.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm ex, I have not, I'm just, I'm like, oh, oh no, please. I'm exhausted already.

[Sean Leonard]

So anyway, on this race I was always like the fast. I was always the person that was orienteering and, and I was always the fastest hiker. Hence I became a mailman at one point in life because I, I, I walked very fast. And so anyway, I'm way ahead of my team and we're probably third in third place and there's like 42 teams and we walk into this clearing and in the clearing there's no trees because all the trees had burned down from a forest fires from previous years.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Sean Leonard]

And we all had headlamps on and I could see half the distance. My team and beyond them, there was another 40 teams that were coming over the hill, right? And so I see this red thing way up high. I'm like, there's got to be a tree here, right? What. What could be read that high? And then there was another one and they were so far apart, I'm like, there's no way. That's like a. That can't be an animal. Even if it was a bear. I mean, I would smell him or hear him. So I walk closer now from here, you know, from. From here, not probably from here to the wall and up steps this grizzly bear. Oh. And I'm in a clearing with nowhere to go.

[Alex Ferrari]

And they're fast.

[Sean Leonard]

And I didn't. And they were. But he was, he was sleeping. I think he got up on his hind legs to smell me because he could tell that it was coming. So anyway, I start waving my arms because that's what you're supposed to walk backwards, be calm, speak to him. So I'm like, I'm from the bear nation, I don't taste good. And he didn't seem that interested, right?

[Alex Ferrari]

And I, because he was probably fed.

[Sean Leonard]

I'm walking backwards and I tell my team to come up and. And it's like I said, you guys better get here now. And one of the ladies was supposed to have. Because there was one lady in her team who carried the bear spray. So I said, you might want to whip that out. And just in case. Yeah. And she goes, well, I didn't bring it because at our last check stop, they, they checked to see if it was there. And then I thought we would never need this here. We need it. And anyway, the bear starts walking towards us all. And so we start singing because the couple, the lady and the other person were on our team were French. So we started singing Ferra Jacques. I don't know if you know that name. That's the only song we knew together.

[Alex Ferrari]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Sean Leonard]

So the bear walks past us and it was like A moment that I'll never forget. Wow.

[Alex Ferrari]

He just walked right by.

[Sean Leonard]

Just walked right by us.

[Alex Ferrari]

How big was he? Because there's difference.

[Sean Leonard]

It was probably the biggest grizzly I've ever seen in my life.

[Alex Ferrari]

We're talking about 10, 15 foot high.

[Sean Leonard]

Oh, probably at least that.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, Jesus.

[Sean Leonard]

If you think about a sofa, the length of a sofa and bigger around.

[Alex Ferrari]

No, much bigger than a sofa, right?

[Sean Leonard]

Like just. Just massive. And he kind of huffed and growled a bit and then just was an interest. And literally, if you. If you can imagine this, like, is it, you know, was it Moses apart at the sea?

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes.

[Sean Leonard]

Well, that's what it was like, the bear going through all the lights. It was just like they were all partying as he walked through the mall. But. But I had a moment and it made me think, you know, things like, this wasn't an accident. You know, I keep running into bears. It wasn't until I really had a profound dream, though, that really clicked with me. And in my dream, this is probably about 10 years or so ago, right? I was in a field very much like I saw the grizzly. And as I was walking through this field, I saw seven shadows of people that were chasing me. And I don't know why they were chasing me, but I knew they were gonna do me some harm. So I started running. And I could see the trees off in the distance. And I'm running as fast as I can, right? Trying to get away from these shadows, who. I don't know who they are, why they're there, or what they were trying to do. And then out of the woods, which is odd because polar bears don't live in the woods.

[Alex Ferrari]

No, there are no woods where they live.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah, Seven polar bears walk out of the forest.

[Alex Ferrari]

Interesting.

[Sean Leonard]

And they start running towards me and the other shadow people. So I turn around, I figured, well, you know what? You gotta run. If you can outrun the other guys, they're gonna get it and I'm not. So I'm running for my dear life towards them now. And I knew I couldn't outrun them. I realized I couldn't outrun them. So I surrendered. I got on my knees and I waited on the field. And I kind of closed my eyes on my dream and waited for them to eat me. And all seven polar bears ran past me. And each shadow that was in the field, the polar bear would kind of pounce on and they would just disintegrate. And then all seven polar bears turned around and walked into one great bear. And he looked me in the Eyes. And then I woke up.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, my God.

[Sean Leonard]

And I was like, this polar bear wasn't there to hurt me. This polar bear was there to protect me. And I realized that there was different types of totems. Like, there was a spirit animal totem, like the eagle, that guides me in a spiritual way, but there's also power totem animals that are there to kind of help protect you when you're going through certain things.

[Alex Ferrari]

Sean, let me ask you, because this is fascinating to me. All right, so when you're saying you're connecting to the power of the polar bear, let's use the polar bear as an example. Is this on the other side? Because that's very mystical to me, what this is, you know. Yeah, it's the idea of the power of the polar bear that you're connecting, but you're connecting to something else. Like, that's not a.

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That's not.

[Alex Ferrari]

You're connecting to, like, almost like a network or a source. The source of polar bear. So, like, let's say there's a soul of the polar bear, an oversoul.

[Sean Leonard]

The essence.

[Alex Ferrari]

The essence of polar bear is on the other side, and they're there to help humanity. Now, that essence, that I'm gonna call it the oversoul, for lack of a better word. So the polar bear oversoul that represents all polar bears around this world, has his sparks all around. And every time there's a polar bear, it's part of mother. Mother polar bear.

[Sean Leonard]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

They also create, I guess, totems or that energy you can tap into because you're connected to them somehow. Does that make sense?

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[Sean Leonard]

In indigenous culture, we call it medicine that, like, the essence is the medicine that they embody.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right.

[Sean Leonard]

That they can help you or you can call upon if need be. So if you're facing certain situations, you may. You may need to be brave. Bravery to face a challenge. You could call upon the bear nation to kind of help and guide you.

[Alex Ferrari]

And, and when you say help and guide you, what does that mean?

[Sean Leonard]

Well, the medicine, like, because they're like polar bears predominantly. If you could think about, you know, the. The lives that they lived, very remote, isolated locations through the harshest conditions that you can imagine living through. And they're very durable. Very durable. Right. And. And. And. And, you know, all other creatures are scared of them. Even. Especially they can swim.

[Alex Ferrari]

They can. I mean, they're pretty powerful.

[Sean Leonard]

Absolutely. And they can go massive distances and do it all by themselves. So when you're facing a challenge, and at that time, I didn't know I was going to be facing a challenge, and I did, and I won't get too deep into it, but there was a family of seven people that had showed up, and one of the people took me to court and was suing me. Anyway, I won. And then they appealed, and I won that. But the whole time, I remembered that the bear was with me and that that medicine was going to help me through this. And it went on for a long time. And it cost a lot of money to kind of deal with, but I dealt with it, and I got through it. But I know it was a teaching lesson for me. You know, people that come in that create chaos or problems or issues in your life, I mean, everybody's teaching us something, right? And the bear was teaching me to endure and to overcome, and that's what I used the whole time. I actually have a polar bear claw.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, with you?

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah. I wear it all the time. And when I connected to the bear or the bear connected to me, the polar bear, I woke up, I told my wife, Michelle, I said, michelle, the polar bear connected to me. And I got in my head that I wanted to have a claw. I said, you know, I need validation that this bear is with me, this great bear. And I don't know how this is going to happen. So I had a ceremony. I went into the forest and woods. I laid some tobacco, I smudged. I spoke to the ancestors, including the great white bear, Wabak Moon. And I said, if I'm meant to carry your medicine, if you're meant to walk with me in life, I need you to validate in a very unique and special way. I want you to send me a polar bear claw. I don't know how or how it's going to come to me, but I'd really like it if you could send me a claw. And I just let it go. And then, months later, I get a parcel in the mail from a lady named Barbara Kemp Bishop, who lives in Newfoundland and was just in Labrador. And she wrote me a little letter with a little package that was wrapped in a red cloth. And she said, I just met with some Inuk elders in Labrador, and the elder had gifted me two polar bear claws. And he said, this one's for you, Barbara. But I have to tell you, Barbara, this other claw is meant for someone else, and you have to gift it to this other person. And I can't tell you who it is, but you'll know who you're supposed to gift this to. So she went home. She goes, I thought about it, like for five minutes and I only could think of you. She goes, so I hope that you accept this gift that is given to me to give to you.

[Alex Ferrari]

Wow.

[Sean Leonard]

And I wear it. I'll show it to you. So this is my claw.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's just cheap. Look at the size of that thing.

[Sean Leonard]

It's a polar bear claw.

[Alex Ferrari]

My God. That's probably the pinky finger.

[Sean Leonard]

Yes, I know.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes, yes.

[Sean Leonard]

I'm a young bear myself.

[Alex Ferrari]

The eight pack is gone. I feel you, sir. I feel you myself.

[Sean Leonard]

But since then, it's gotten stranger because even though that's an amazing thing that has happened, shortly after that, another lady came to my house named Lori Curdo. And she does. She's Migma. She did some part time taxidermy. And she goes, I was just working on a polar bear rug and I have a little piece left over and I thought I should gift it to you for your smudge bowl. And then a week later after that, somebody called me and said, sean, me and my mom could really use a session. And I know that you don't do them anymore, but I have this old polar bear rug in my closet that I was thinking of what I could do with it and I thought about you and thought about offering it to you. If you could do a session for me. I'm like, let me check my calendar. I think I can work this out.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sean Leonard]

And then even writing the book Walking with Spirit to Enum Animals, I received another claw.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Sean Leonard]

I received another rug which a lady reached out to me and said, you know, can you meet me? Her and her husband. This lady, Mrs. Finnegan and her husband, her father in law had passed away, her husband's father and he met some Inuk elders up in northwest territories like 50 years ago, and he traded a sled for a polar bear rug with the head, the claws, everything. And he recently passed away. And they were looking at it and thought, what can we do with this? You know, it's in their closet, another rug. And we thought that you would be honored to have this. Would you, would you accept this gift? We have the papers for it from where it came from and all this. And I'm like, I would absolutely love to have that. So I'm up to six different parts of different bears over the years. Over the years. And you know, while I was writing this book, the six piece have come to me. I'm still waiting for one more, I believe for the seven, the seven bears. Now, in indigenous culture, we have the seven grandfather teachings. Seven is a very spiritual number in relation to the directions, et cetera. So I don't think it was an accident that those seven bears had come to be me. But this is not for me. I mean, my egotistical sense of thinking, okay, this is me. Oh, this is awesome. I get seven parts of bears. It's not. It's about helping other people understand that the animal nation is connecting to us and wants to connect to us and wants to walk with us all. And that there's four animals that probably walk with us all.

[Alex Ferrari]

Which are.

[Sean Leonard]

Well, it could be. It depends on what yours are. Right. They're uniquely different to you.

[Alex Ferrari]

Can you tell? But can you do a reading?

[Sean Leonard]

I could do a reading. Like, I feel you have a horse that is connected to you.

[Alex Ferrari]

An ass of a horse.

[Sean Leonard]

I didn't say.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because that would make a lot of.

[Sean Leonard]

Sense and would explain. There's a tiger too. For whatever reason.

[Alex Ferrari]

Interesting, a tiger out that I've connected with a tiger for many. I was born the year of the tiger.

[Sean Leonard]

Oh, were you? No way. Because I see a tiger and a horse. But you know. But I would say to you, you know, call upon them and speak to them, invite them to reveal themselves to you. But you. If you already feel connected to the tiger.

[Alex Ferrari]

I've always. I don't wear a tiger or anything.

[Sean Leonard]

No, of course you don't.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know, I'm not. It's not Scarface.

[Sean Leonard]

No, no, no.

[Alex Ferrari]

Giant tiger or a tiger.

[Sean Leonard]

I shop at Giant Tiger, so I don't.

[Alex Ferrari]

But I've always. I just. When I was learning about horoscopes and stuff like that back in the day, I heard. I'm like, what year was that born? I'm like, oh, I was born because we all want to be born of the year of the dragon, because Bruce Lee. But I was born the year of the tiger. I'm like, well, that's not bad. You know, it's not like the rooster. No, there's nothing wrong with rooster people. But I. So I've always been connected to the tiger energy wise. And anytime I see a tiger or it's just something that's always been in the background since I was a kid.

[Sean Leonard]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

When I heard about that horse is new. But tiger. When you said tiger, I was like, yeah, that's. That's the one animal that really connects with me.

[Sean Leonard]

So where's the, like the Siberian tiger from?

[Alex Ferrari]

Mainly India.

[Sean Leonard]

India. And I'll tell you, you've lived many lifetimes in India, and that's why the tiger's connected to you, and that's why you're drawn to the culture, and that's why there's things within you that is expressing itself to you. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Like, all right, Indian saints.

[Sean Leonard]

And so there's a. There's an animal medicine that has not only walked with you, is walking with you in this life, but is walking with you through many lifetimes.

[Alex Ferrari]

Interesting.

[Sean Leonard]

And the tiger is one of those.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's beautiful. So how do you. So, like. So everyone's watching this and saying or listening to this and going, this is fantastic. Sean, these stories are awesome. I want seven polar bears. I would like a tiger to hang out with me. How can you connect with them on a spiritual level? What can a normal non indigenous psychic medium do to connect to their totem animal and how to connect with them, how to work with them, how to talk to them? Or do you just sit there and go, tiger? Like, how do you.

[Sean Leonard]

Well, you might already know some of your spirit totem animals. You already feel like, you know, you Have a connection to the tiger that, That I knew for sure. And a lot of people are similar. There's people out in the world that have a deep connection to the. The feline nation. You know, they may have lived many lifetimes in Egyptian culture. Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

Have 10 cats now, right?

[Sean Leonard]

Exactly. Yeah. Or you've maybe had 10 cats for your lifetime, which is me included. Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

You don't want them all at the same time.

[Sean Leonard]

You. You may already, like, there might be already subtle hints that you feel drawn to a particular animal and maybe not.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, the feline in general nation is something I've always been drawn to.

[Sean Leonard]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

The tiger, I have cats at home. I've had dogs too. But the cat is something that's been very, like, very drawn to that energy.

[Sean Leonard]

And some people are drawn to the, The. The. The canine nation, you know, the wolves, and they're all like ancestor. The wolves is the ancestors to all the canines. I walk on.

[Alex Ferrari]

Correct.

[Sean Leonard]

Today. So, you know, there. There might be already inkling within you of, like, at least one or two animals that you.

[Alex Ferrari]

So look first. Within yourself.

[Sean Leonard]

Within self. Yourself. Yes. Because the answer is always there. I mean, don't feel like you have to come to me. That's what I say. Because I can't get to everybody. This isn't about coming to me. This is about discovering this stuff within yourself and the connection you have.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right.

[Sean Leonard]

Hence why I wrote the book Walking with your spirit totem animals. Right, Right. Which comes out October 21st. So if you're watching this after, you know it's available everywhere. Right. And if you. I'm doing a class on October 23, a free class, teaching about it. And I have a meditation that if you put your receipt code on my website, then you actually get the meditation. You'll get an intentional prayer or ceremonial prayer that would invite your spirit animal totem to connect you. So I've given those out for free for people who are buying the book.

[Alex Ferrari]

Awesome.

[Sean Leonard]

But if you don't buy the book, that doesn't mean you can't have your own personal ceremony, that you can't go somewhere sacred to you, a sacred space, and make some type of offering. It could be a crystal, it could be a medicine that your culture works with predominantly in some way that resonates with you. It could be sage, it could be Palo Santo or whatever it is. Just make an offering and then speak from your heart to the animal nation. If you're not sure of the animals, if you are sure you can call upon those animals because you know you're facing a certain challenge where you need to be brave or you need to be truthful or some of the other medicines. And in the book I have written extensively about the seven grandfather teachings. But the wolf, the turtle, the bear, the, the eagle, the buffalo and Sabe.

[Alex Ferrari]

We're going to talk about Sabe in a minute.

[Sean Leonard]

Yes, I know, we'll get there. We'll save the best for last. But you know, you may work with those medicines. You know, some of these are my totems, but depending on what I'm facing, and if I need to be humble or embody humility in some way because I'm speaking to people, you may call upon the medic medicine of the wolf because that's what that carries that animal, that essence, that particular spiritual medicine that they care that you can use that to face a certain situation. And we don't like in indigenous people, we don't have like the ten Commandments. We have the seven grandfathers teachings which represent ways we can approach life so that we are cohesive and help each other and work together. And each of these animals carry different medicines like wolf, humility, bear Bravery, Love Eagle, etc. Turtle Truth. And I mean the turtle has been what, 200 million years upon Mother Earth.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh God, Yeah.

[Sean Leonard]

At least 200 million years.

[Alex Ferrari]

Shark is even longer.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah, but then the turtle is deeply connected to Mother Earth. I mean in literally. Literally, literally. And I tell you because on the back of a turtle, time is embedded in it.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes.

[Sean Leonard]

I mean within the outside of a turtle's back, the shell, they have 28 different sections on the outside, which represents the 28 days. And on the inside of the turtle shell, there's 13 representing the 13 moons. And it's a calendar year with upon Mother Earth. Isn't it odd that an animal embodies time? It embodies truth about who we are for as long as it's been here.

[Alex Ferrari]

And it lives forever too.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah, absolutely. They live like 150 years. I think they live up to 5 or 700 years some.

[Alex Ferrari]

There's someone that. There was one that died recently, was the oldest one that we know of, at least in captivity. And it was like 125 years old, 130 years old, something like that. And it's like it saw like it was alive during Einstein. It was, it was alive before World War I. It was alive around the Civil War time.

[Sean Leonard]

I think they have one down south somewhere. I'm not sure I have to like I would do. Your research is great for this stuff, but I think there was a turtle that was about five or seven hundred years old. Jesus. So to live as long as it does. You know, the way he approaches life, moving slow. Yeah, he's moving really slow and going with the flow pretty much. You know, it carries its world on its back. And we even call North America Turtle island because if you look at North America, it's in the shape of a turtle. And I've put it in my book, actually kind of like outlined a turtle into North America.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's beautiful.

[Sean Leonard]

So it's pretty awesome. And we would know that as indigenous people if we weren't star people, right?

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Sean Leonard]

If we weren't able to see either psychically through our visions or be taken up above by star people, we wouldn't be able to know that North America itself was in the shape of a turtle. So I think that indigenous people are connected to our star brothers and sisters. But also, I mean we're deeply connected to Mother Earth and all its nations. And we're caretakers. We're all caretakers, not just indigenous people. All people are caretakers of Mother Earth.

[Alex Ferrari]

So you mentioned Sasquatch.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah, yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay, so listen. All right, Sean, this is a topic that's never been discussed.

[Sean Leonard]

Really? No way.

[Alex Ferrari]

Ever on the show. Oh, that's awesome. It is. I have a feeling that there is a, you know, and similarly to when like I had a NASA rocket scientist talk about, you know, other beings from another world. Like. Well, if you're going to talk to someone about that's a NASA rocket scientist who's working at NASA right now, would be the person to talk to about that. Same with this. If I'm going to talk about Sasquatch, I want to talk about it with an indigenous person from that point of view. Right, so what's the. I know from my understanding from, I'm going to say Hollywood, essentially, especially that one episode from Six Million Dollar man back in the 70s when he fought the Sasquatch guy. It's a, it's a, it's a man beast kind of thing that lives in the forest. And then there's Harry and the Hendersons back in the 80s, that kind of movie. That's all I really know about it. And then of course, that one famous. The one famous shot.

[Sean Leonard]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

That they filmed it and no one knows it's real or not.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's not that.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm sure it's not that one either. So from your point of view, who is Sasquatch? Or better as we know him, Bigfoot.

[Sean Leonard]

Bigfoot Sabe or it's been known by different names. Yeah, you know, the Yeti as well.

[Alex Ferrari]

But the yetis in the north, but very closely related. Yes.

[Sean Leonard]

I mean, if you think about this, I mean, the human age, we only think of ourselves as just. And as of recently, even with the, the Nazca mummies and things like that, they're finding remains of like humanoid type beings that transcend just our understanding of what the human nation is.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, yeah, skulls, the different kind of skulls and things like that.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah. And how long have we been on Mother Earth? You know, I think we've probably been seated here by our star brothers and sisters and maybe there might be some cross cultural kind of genetic stuff going on and stuff like that.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, the Anunnaki and that kind of.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah, right. I mean, there's a lot of like star people that, you know, probably had a hand in who we become in some Sense. Right. But, you know, Sasquits is some west coast indigenous people call him or her. They have, like, carvings and paintings in the forest that elders have told me about that predate any type of European connection to people. So there is an understanding or belief that there is this humanoid kind of creature called Sasquatch or Bagfoot that has walked upon Mother Earth. I feel personally, and I've had an experience with. With Sasquatch, just so you know. And the reason why I had the experience is because I wanted to explore and understand what Sasquatch or Bigfoot was. And we are interdimensional beings. We are.

[Alex Ferrari]

I knew. I had a feeling you were going to go here.

[Sean Leonard]

We're all interdimensional beings. You know, we. Have people seen ghosts? Sure we have. Do they appear physical sometimes to people?

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes.

[Sean Leonard]

So does Sasquatch. Sasquatch has walked upon Earth as a great nation at some point. And I do feel like they have the ability to transcend the physical and spiritual and take form for moments of time where people can see them. Do they live here for some times and transcend back into spirit? I'm sure they do. I'm sure they.

[Alex Ferrari]

Or to another dimension, another.

[Sean Leonard]

Definitely dimensional, because we're, you know, definitely there's, you know, multi dimensional space and time for which we all exist with a pin right now, just as we are and human nation. If you can see people walking in and just like gnomes. So, like, we have teachings like. I think they're called Bigelabush. I might have pronounced it wrong in Mi'. Kmaq. But the little people, you know, we have giants, giant people, hairy people like Sasquids. And when I was filming season four of Spirit Talker, I went, apparently, I.

[Alex Ferrari]

Gotta get season four. These other seasons are a waste of time.

[Sean Leonard]

I need to get season four. Well, I mean, joking. They'll all show up in the show.

[Alex Ferrari]

They're all amazing. I'm joking.

[Sean Leonard]

They'll all come on Next level Soul TV eventually.

[Alex Ferrari]

Absolutely, sir.

[Sean Leonard]

But I got to go out and spend time with indigenous community called Staelis. And their symbol for their community is Bigfoot. That's the picture that they have for their community. And they actually have a place there called the Bigfoot Trail that they honor and protect and do ceremonies. And it leads to one of these spots where they have these paintings in the forest that predate and depict Sasquatch, or they call them Sasquits now. When I was there in the community, it was pretty amazing because I learned some of this history because I didn't know It. And they did a ceremony for me with their young people, and they were singing their songs through ceremony, and all the young people dressed up and had made what they believed, their depiction of what Bigfoot looks like. And they were walking around like Bigfoot, embodying the spirit of Bigfoot through their ceremonial songs and dance that they had done for me. It was amazing. I loved it. And a lot of, like, more current type of, like, faces that you would see of, like, Bigfoot or Sasquatch, where they're.

[Alex Ferrari]

They're.

[Sean Leonard]

They're kind of unique looking, I guess.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah.

[Sean Leonard]

All these masks look like that.

[Alex Ferrari]

Like Harry and the Hendersons. No.

[Sean Leonard]

A little bit stranger than that, really. A little bit stranger than that. Yeah. And it still humanoid. Right. But there are people experience Bigfoot often, and I feel like they may come in from other dimensions from time to time. Did you just whisper there? I just want you to know I didn't. You might record a spirit.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay.

[Sean Leonard]

There was a breath that went here.

[Alex Ferrari]

I didn't hear that.

[Sean Leonard]

Okay, well, just so you know, I might pick it up.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'll listen.

[Sean Leonard]

You listen?

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah.

[Sean Leonard]

Because I know there's a spirit here with me. And it could be this, the spirit of Sasquit's. Who knows? Because when I. When I. When anybody that is. This is. This is a gift that I have that I. That I don't know why I have. And it just happened recently where I was telling you about previously coming on when I was in fragrance and I was doing a live event. And during the event, spirit had spoke.

[Alex Ferrari]

Loud enough that the audience.

[Sean Leonard]

Loud enough that the audience could hear the spirits.

[Alex Ferrari]

Not just one or two. Like, half the audience.

[Sean Leonard]

Half the audience heard the spirit speak.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay.

[Sean Leonard]

And it was. It was pretty like a big eye opener for people that are there.

[Alex Ferrari]

You think?

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

For you as well.

[Sean Leonard]

Right. So I have a feeling you're going to hear a spirit there.

[Alex Ferrari]

All right. All right.

[Sean Leonard]

But anyway, when I was out there, I saw the ceremony, walked up the Sasquid strait, and I thought I'd really love to connect to this. This beautiful, amazing creature. Right. So I invited Sasquids to connect to me. And. And you know, they represent honesty in the seven grandfathers teachings because they. Is that you?

[Alex Ferrari]

That's me.

[Sean Leonard]

Okay. Now you can mess with me.

[Alex Ferrari]

Did you hear that?

[Sean Leonard]

Did you?

[Alex Ferrari]

That's amazing. Oh, I should have said no, I didn't do that.

[Sean Leonard]

Was that you? You would have got me good. I'm going to turn all around laughing so hard. But anyway, I went out on the trail. I went out on the trail and. And I invited. It's as good as. I made an offering and I walked for some time because I was up there filming and. And there's this massive cedar trees out in the west coast of Canada. Right. And I think down in California.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Sean Leonard]

The redwood cedars. And I saw very quickly from one tree into another, what looked like a humanoid haired creature that ran across the path from one tree into another tree and had to sit there and think, did I just see what I just thought I saw? Like, that was amazing. I didn't see like in the physical form, but I saw what I thought or believe is the spirit form of Sasquatch and cements my understanding of it being across our interdimensional being so that they can come in and be seen, but also they can choose to not be seen if they want to be.

[Alex Ferrari]

Very much like a ghost.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah, very much like a ghost.

[Alex Ferrari]

Very much like a ghost. If they can't be shown and cannot be shown. When you said Nome, that's very interesting because I know in Ireland, I think it was. I think it's Ireland. I'm not sure. I'm almost positive it's Ireland or Scotland. One of the two.

[Sean Leonard]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

That you can get a degree.

[Sean Leonard]

No way.

[Alex Ferrari]

In. In finding gnomes.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Now when you hear things like this.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah, yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

You just go, guys, what do you talk like, what do you talk about? But when you start looking at all of this stuff through this lens.

[Sean Leonard]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

All of a sudden you're like, well, wait a minute. If we believe in interdimensional abilities. Right. The Mandela effect, even, you know, on a quantum level, like, you know what the Mandela effect obviously is?

[Sean Leonard]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Like, you know, there's ship, different timelines.

[Sean Leonard]

Right. Of course.

[Alex Ferrari]

All that kind of. Of stuff. So if we all have this kind of belief that there is something like that, there's multiple timelines, multiple dimensions. Even if it's like just the other side is another dimension. You know, like when you're talking to your grandmother or your grandfather, they're in.

[Sean Leonard]

Another dimensional space and time.

[Alex Ferrari]

Exactly. So what is there not to say that there isn't all these kind of mythical creatures. Dragons, fairies, dragons, yeti fairy, yeti gnomes, all those kind of things that at one point didn't live here or did live here, you know, all that kind of stuff. It came from somewhere, of course.

[Sean Leonard]

I mean, how long has Mother Earth been here? And how many creatures have evolved and changed or gone into spirit?

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. I mean, just in our lifetime. I mean, look at all the dinosaurs.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know, the, I think was. No, I think it was up to 10,000 years ago. They had the mammoth, the woolly mammoth, and the saber toothed tiger was still roaming North America.

[Sean Leonard]

Right. And do people still see Loch Ness or Nessie or Ogopogo up in Canada? Like there's so many different names.

[Alex Ferrari]

That little one down in Mexico, New Mexico, the guy with the little flute. Yeah, but those kind of.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah, absolutely. So they pop up from time to time and people have these experiences of seeing things. Right, right. So they're interdimensional beings.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right.

[Sean Leonard]

They have a spirit. Can they take form? Yes, we, we've taken form into this physical for this lifetime. We will return to spirit. We've come from spirit.

[Alex Ferrari]

So they can kind of shift their frequency, their vibration come in and to come out.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And that's why you only see glimpses of it. That's why.

[Sean Leonard]

Absolutely.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's why Bigfoot hunters are not going to find him.

[Sean Leonard]

Well, they might find him for a minute if they're not going to. Caption.

[Alex Ferrari]

But the point is that. But they wouldn't really. They wouldn't reveal themselves on, on a reality show, generally speaking, like we're going to go find. Like that's not where they go. But in a spiritual experience like you had, they might reveal for a moment, just give you. You're not going to have coffee with them. But no, just a glimpse of like. Did I just see that? That's fast.

[Sean Leonard]

Because I wasn't sure. I mean, I mean, just by what everybody's talked about, I'm not sure if these like, like fairies, gnomes, Sasquids have existed, but I've had experiences where I've seen things like that, but just for moments. And it's because our space and time have kind of crossed for a moment. The frequency of vibration, of alignment, of coming together for a moment. I've seen them.

[Alex Ferrari]

So is in your culture, is Sasquatch an animal, part of the animal nation or part of the.

[Sean Leonard]

It's part of the animal nation.

[Alex Ferrari]

It is part of the animal nation, but it's a humanoid animal.

[Sean Leonard]

Humanoid animal, yeah. I mean apes are also.

[Alex Ferrari]

Girls are humanoid.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah, yeah, kind of humanoid.

[Alex Ferrari]

And we're only a few DNA strands away.

[Sean Leonard]

Right. And they're still evolving. Right. Even apes and monkeys today are still like evolving. They're not fully become who they need to be.

[Alex Ferrari]

Interesting.

[Sean Leonard]

Right. I feel like that there's an embodiment and I think possibly, I mean, if you think about it, because we see we're all relations, right. These are our ancestors. They've come before us. They've evolved and lived upon Mother Earth and have become something new and greater. We are still becoming something new and greater. We will at some point. I feel like the human nation, just like our star brothers and sisters. We won't even need to talk. We'll just think about what we need to say to everyone.

[Alex Ferrari]

But that's the way it is on the other side.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

I mean, spirit doesn't talk with voice. No, generally.

[Sean Leonard]

Generally they can. I mean, I do record them speaking with. But they do have a voice. But they.

[Alex Ferrari]

But when you're near death. Experiences that I've spoken to. Yes, all of them. No one had a conversation.

[Sean Leonard]

No. Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

When Jesus shows up.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know, it's always telepathy and it's instant. You ask a question, you know the answer.

[Sean Leonard]

Absolutely.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's. It's almost instant.

[Sean Leonard]

It is.

[Alex Ferrari]

So I'd love talking to You, Sean.

[Sean Leonard]

But. But Sasquatch. I mean, see, this is the card. I'll just hold it up here just so for a second. This is the. Over here. There we go. There it is. Oh, there. I don't even know where I am. This is the card from my Morocco card deck that I had. And this is all the art done from Oracle. Card deck is done by a Mi' Kmaq lady named Tracy. Metallic.

[Alex Ferrari]

They're beautiful.

[Sean Leonard]

So it's all hand painted. Everything in this card deck is hand painted. And I used a. Who is it? Aaron Gugu to kind of help me do the. Digitally taking the paintings to put on to the. To the cards. Right. But, you know, so these are all teachings connecting indigenous people. Not because we feel like we just made them up, but it's something that we've had a connection to.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. The legend, if you will, or the myth of a Sasquatch has been around.

[Sean Leonard]

For generations upon generations, pre contact to European people, as far as I know.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. So it's been something within the indigenous community in North America. Is it a specific North American thing or is there Sasquatch other places?

[Sean Leonard]

I don't. I can't answer that.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay.

[Sean Leonard]

Because I. What I would say predominantly is probably North America, but Yeti.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, Yeti is in the Alps, but.

[Sean Leonard]

They'Re very closely related. Right. They look similar. Just maybe just different color fur.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right. So. But. But the Yeti is. Isn't that the Alps? Isn't that.

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Yeah.

[Sean Leonard]

And things like that. That.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes. In the North Norway and that kind of.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah. So I feel like there must be some type of, like, I mean, if you look at our. Our planet, we're the human nation. Isn't people from Africa black?

[Alex Ferrari]

Sure. Different.

[Sean Leonard]

The red indigenous people are red. You know, the Caucasian people are typically referred to as being white, and brown people, Chinese people being yellow people, you know, it's like. Or brown people.

[Alex Ferrari]

People.

[Sean Leonard]

Like there's all kinds of colors of people.

[Alex Ferrari]

So why wouldn't there be?

[Sean Leonard]

So why could they not be related still? And still have different colors of fur or embody the same type of form, but just in different parts of the world in different ways?

[Alex Ferrari]

And could it. And they could. Could have they been at a certain level on this earth hundreds of thousands of or millions of years ago?

[Sean Leonard]

Absolutely.

[Alex Ferrari]

And this is just a couple of remnants of coming in and out when they want to because it takes the head hurt.

[Sean Leonard]

So that's beautiful. I. This is a. This is kind of a strange one, but my stepdaughter, Ashley, my wife's daughter, My wife Michelle's daughter, Ashley, she has a very deep connection to gnomes, and she's dreamt of them. They come to her. She's got a gnome tattoo.

[Alex Ferrari]

Really?

[Sean Leonard]

And then this is. This is kind of cool because. And we have teachings in Mi' Kmaq culture. We call them big bush.

[Alex Ferrari]

Do they have the same kind of. Because gnomes, to my understanding, are very European.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah, but we call them just little people. People.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, but they don't have the pointy hats or anything. That's just. That's the other.

[Sean Leonard]

That's right. Little people. And that's.

[Alex Ferrari]

Is it Dutch?

[Sean Leonard]

Maybe?

[Alex Ferrari]

Is it Dutch or it's. I feel it's like in the Netherlands area is where you see.

[Sean Leonard]

But I feel like there's teachings, like whether you go to Tibet about yeti of like, a hairy anywhere. There's different. There's different kind of depictions of our understanding of that. Right. Too. Right. And to the Mi' Kmaq people are indigenous people. We call them a big bush, which is like the little people. I might be pronouncing that wrong. I know I'm gonna get some messages from Mi' Kmaq people saying, that's not how you say that. But I do my best. But Ashley was downstairs watching TV with her boyfriend, and I have a camera that's kind of pointed out the window outside. And one night I got a notification that there was some movement outside.

[Alex Ferrari]

Stop it.

[Sean Leonard]

I did. And I caught a little guy waddling.

[Alex Ferrari]

No, stop.

[Sean Leonard]

About this high.

[Alex Ferrari]

Do you have that footage?

[Sean Leonard]

This is. This is the weird part, because I often delete all of my recordings, and I deleted them all. My wife saw it, so she can vouch for me. I know it's gonna sound silly by saying this. I saw a little person, and I showed it to her, and she goes, oh, my God, that's a freaking gnome. I'm like, it is. And I said, is it odd that Ashley's downstairs when we caught this? But maybe I was never meant to show it to anyone.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, no, they're not. That's not what they.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah, but I feel like that we call them tricksters, right? The gnomes or the little people, the bigelabush. That we feel that they can influence us in different ways with their medicine. So maybe they're not meant to be seen, but just meant to be knowing that they're there. And I. And I know what I saw. It was in a figma imagination. I literally had it on film on my security camera, and it looked like a little man with a little hat and gnome Waddling across my deck.

[Alex Ferrari]

So what energy does the Sasquatch have in this?

[Sean Leonard]

Honesty. Honesty, honesty. Because they have to accept themselves as they are. They teach us to. Despite being different, because they are different than the typical human nation or other creatures within the forest. But they embody honesty because they have to be honest with who they are. And they bring that teaching of honesty. Because if you're facing a situation in life where and many people are afraid to be who they are.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, right.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah. Because they're fearful of judgment or they're fearful of what somebody might think about them, then you can call upon the medicine, the essence of Bigfoot, to kind of help you to be honest with who you are in life and to accept yourself in life, to love yourself.

[Alex Ferrari]

So with all the animal nations totems that you've connected with.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Many of these seem to be North American.

[Sean Leonard]

Yes, Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

But they're in. But in other cultures, like the kangaroo, I'm assuming. I'm assuming the aborigine have the Tasmanian Devil and the.

[Sean Leonard]

Well, it's like you.

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[Sean Leonard]

You're connecting to the tiger. Right?

[Alex Ferrari]

There's no tigers here.

[Sean Leonard]

There's no tigers. I mean, unless you're the tiger guy from TV there.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm from Florida, sir. Please, please don't bring that up. Tiger King. No, no, they're not native tigers. To my understand, tigers were not native to North America until they were brought over here.

[Sean Leonard]

But that doesn't mean that you only connect to North American creatures. You know, for me, it is. It's. It is that way, of course, but for someone else, you may be very deeply connected to the elephant or the kangaroo or the snake, you know, or. And there's snakes in North America, but there's the armadillo, who knows?

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah.

[Sean Leonard]

And they all have different medicines, and I won't know them all. Just so you know, I didn't write the book thinking, okay, well, I'm gonna list all the medicines of all the animals of the world.

[Alex Ferrari]

No, no.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah, it would be like this thing.

[Alex Ferrari]

Exactly.

[Sean Leonard]

Maybe even thicker, I would say, you know, if you feel connected to an animal from another nation within the world, because Mother Earth is a great big place, you know, then redo your research and find out what that animal essence embodies and how you can call upon it if need. If you need to.

[Alex Ferrari]

So what does the tiger have, just out of curiosity?

[Sean Leonard]

I don't know.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, you don't know the tiger?

[Sean Leonard]

No, I don't know the tiger.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay. I mean, assuming it's strength, I would say strength.

[Sean Leonard]

You know, they're courage very protective of their family.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right.

[Sean Leonard]

Because I feel like the mother, just like the mother bear is probably very protective and you know, they're very family orientated if you think about it, because they hang out in prides of like lions, et cetera. So that they are very deeply connected and work together.

[Alex Ferrari]

Interesting.

[Sean Leonard]

They support each other.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. Interesting.

[Sean Leonard]

So I feel like there's medicine there. If you really do your deep dive and your research in regards to the medicine that a tiger could carry, you'll find that there's a lot of that that you embody.

[Alex Ferrari]

Now is there any, is there any totem of animals that have long passed? Well, I mean obviously Sasquatch is not something you hold on to. So like do you have the T. Rex? Maybe somebody can you connect to the brontosaurus? Like I'm just asking the saber toothed.

[Sean Leonard]

Tiger, like maybe I've never heard of it, but it doesn't mean that it's not possible?

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, yeah, I mean, they probably wouldn't have been in the last 10,000 years or so where a lot of this would have been started.

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[Sean Leonard]

Well, I think it's always existing. Yeah, of course, for primitive people. I don't like to call them primitive.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because I know it's exactly.

[Sean Leonard]

It's just technologically primitive, you know, because we've all been quite advanced spiritually and connected to Mother Earth very deeply. You know, that transcends like probably hundred thousands or hundreds of thousands.

[Alex Ferrari]

I mean, you look at like in the popular culture there was a movie called Black Panther.

[Sean Leonard]

If you think about Neanderthals.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sean Leonard]

Like primitive people. Right, right.

[Alex Ferrari]

So like in Black Panther there was a lot like in the African culture it's all about Africa totems, like a lot of like the jaguar and this and that. And when he went into the other side, when he died to become Black Panther. Do you ever see that movie?

[Sean Leonard]

I did see Black Panther. I don't really remember it that well.

[Alex Ferrari]

But I remember so that he went, when he was dying to become the Black Panther, he had to go to the other side where he met his ancestors.

[Sean Leonard]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

And they were all panthers. And then one of them came down and that was his dad. But all of his, all of the other kings, we're all panthers sitting in a tree. Right. It's beautiful.

[Sean Leonard]

I think, you know, and I'm not 100% sure of this, this would be only kind of a philosophy or a thought process here that potentially we have been our animals.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, you mean we've evolved too.

[Sean Leonard]

Right. We've chosen to live lives. We're spirit first and foremost. We're just an orb of light. And I think predominantly we mostly take on the form from which we exist within now, but throughout time through the desire to gain knowledge and wisdom, we may embody an animal as a spirit in the past and we may have deep spiritual connections. Why we're so kind of cross connected, like angels that there may have been experiences that we've had where we were the tiger or where we were the eagle. And many indigenous people go into trance and they are the eagle, eagle. They, they will see the world from the eagle's point of view. And you could call that in a sense. And there's this word shape shifter.

[Alex Ferrari]

O. Yeah, right.

[Sean Leonard]

And that's a kind of an indigenous solder teaching. It's where our, our spirit and the spirit of the animal from which you can embody. And, and there's people that talk about maybe Becoming these animals. Right. But I don't necessarily feel that it's like a physical thing.

[Alex Ferrari]

Is this like skin walkers or is that different than.

[Sean Leonard]

Maybe. I don't know.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay. Yeah. I don't know a whole lot about.

[Sean Leonard]

Skinwalker, but shape shifting, that there's. There's people that, you know, that have experienced people becoming enamel or an animal becoming a person, etc. And it could be a spiritual thing as well. Not necessarily a physical person doing this. It could be a spirit that is able to kind of transcend those different forms.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm gonna have to test you now, Sean.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

On 80s television shows. Okay.

[Sean Leonard]

I might be good at this one.

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[Alex Ferrari]

You and I are both similar vintage, as they say.

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[Alex Ferrari]

There was a movie, There was a show, had only one season, but back then there wasn't a lot of content.

[Sean Leonard]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

So it was a show. I'll never forget it. It's a pretty bad show.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Manimal.

[Sean Leonard]

I didn't see that.

[Alex Ferrari]

So Manimal was a dude who can literally would transform into three animals, really, A panther and either an eagle or a bird of some sort. And it was some other. I forgot the third animal. But the transformations were the same guy who did, like, the werewolf in London.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah, yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

America. That. That whole. Like that and the whiskers are coming out and all that. It was so bad. It looks so horrible. Anyone who wants to have a good time, just go to YouTube and type in Manimal.

[Sean Leonard]

I'm gonna have to opening. Yeah, yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And you'll just see this. Just because the. Because back then, you remember, all of them had like this, like, minute, minute and a half long opening of the show.

[Sean Leonard]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Like the A team and all those guys, and they had an opening, and it's just him transforming into an eagle, a panther, and something else. And that's how he would fight crime.

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[Sean Leonard]

I mean, I. I mean, I don't. I've never experienced anything like where I've seen somebody kind of transfer.

[Alex Ferrari]

I mean, that's.

[Sean Leonard]

I would say in indigenous culture, it's more of a ceremonial thing where you can go into trance and maybe connect to the spirit of the ego and become one with ego for a moment.

[Alex Ferrari]

Let me. Let me. I want to talk to you about this, the trance. So from my understanding, when you're saying, like, you go. You know, you have a ceremony, and either it's with. Is it either with a plant medicine or sometimes without plant medicine?

[Sean Leonard]

Well, we don't normally use plant medicine in my culture.

[Alex Ferrari]

In your culture. Okay.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

So you're not taking pod?

[Sean Leonard]

No, I will be, though. I think in the winter, me and my wife and. And her oldest daughter might be going. We're going to Aruba for a little bit because we love it there.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah.

[Sean Leonard]

But we're going to go to Peru, and my wife's already done, like, some ceremonies with some elders down there, and I'm interested in maybe like, giving it a go.

[Alex Ferrari]

Please report back, sir. I want to know what happens.

[Sean Leonard]

Please report back. But she said some pretty awesome experiences.

[Alex Ferrari]

And so when you're doing these ceremonies, it's more like, like. Okay, so in your. In your culture, do they do a sweat lot? A sweat.

[Sean Leonard]

We do sweats, yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay, so sweats. So when you're in a certain. And what is it called? A sweat.

[Sean Leonard]

It's just a sweat lodge.

[Alex Ferrari]

Sweat lodge.

[Sean Leonard]

But the ceremony that takes place is a ceremony. Sweat ceremony.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right. So you go into this teepee, if you will. That's.

[Sean Leonard]

Or it's a hot. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And you're. It's hot. It's a sauna. It's like a sauna. And then I guess during that process, you be. And you're in there for a while. It's not like you're in there.

[Sean Leonard]

Well, there's different rounds, and each round represent different things. So you.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because you'll die if you stay in there, too.

[Sean Leonard]

No, you're right. And you can stay in there. But we open the door between rounds.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right. To get some air.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah. Because it gets hotter each round. The fourth round is the hottest. And, you know, I've seen things in sweat ceremonies that are. I've seen spirits or people. I mean, usually I'm told by elders not to say too much except just focus on what I'm there to do, which is like, you know, the different rounds. There's a pipe ceremony in the sweat ceremony as well. So there's usually a pipe carrier, one that would say the prayers or lead it. The ceremony itself. And then we all would pass the pipe. We all pass water. Sometimes we would pass berries and share food. But we'll pray for other people. We'll pray for everybody in the sweat lodge. They'll be around for that. There'll be a prayer for the women of the world that are in your life, etc.

[Alex Ferrari]

Is it a way. Specifically in this ceremony, is it a way to kind of just break down the physical.

[Sean Leonard]

It's about prayer.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. But the heat, the aspect of east, is breaking you down to the point where you're just opening yourself up to what's happening, because the Heat is just.

[Sean Leonard]

It's a lot.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's a lot. So your body is like freaking out and your mind could finally.

[Sean Leonard]

It's like Rebirth 1 because you're almost like entering the womb. Re entering the womb and then you're saying prayers connected to mother Earth and you know, the Great Spirit, et cetera. And then you call upon them to kind of hear your prayers. When you pray during this, it's really both prayers and ceremony when you're there. But the heat is. It's a little bit of like when you're in a sweat. You're, you know, the energy that, the moisture. Because you pour water on the red hot rocks. So you know that it amplifies your prayers, the ceremony. But it's also a little bit about suffering. Right? Because when you suffer, because life is. It can be struggle. And we do suffer.

[Alex Ferrari]

Stop it.

[Sean Leonard]

And if you're praying for somebody that you know is going through cancer or. Right. We can go there and pray for that person. But we're suffering. And we believe that when we suffer and we pray for them, we're taking some of their suffering away from them. So we're trying to help them, even though they may be still making their journey home to the spirit world, we're trying to make it easier for them through our ceremony, through our prayers, our words, and maybe taking on some of the pain that they may not have to carry through that process.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay. All right, so then, so other ceremonies, when you're connecting to the animal energy or the animal totem, Right. Is this kind of a form of meditation, channeling? Well, what is it exactly?

[Sean Leonard]

There's different ceremonies. There's one ceremony where you could go without food or water for four days and sit in a spot in the forest.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, that'll do it.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

You'll start seeing something.

[Sean Leonard]

You will. And you think, I'm hearing people here. Wait till you're out there. And you'll be here four days. You'll hear a lot of things, come tell you all kinds of stuff. And, and you'll be challenged too, you know, with different spirits because they, they will try to get you to come out of the circle. I've heard people have spirit people come to them, and even like earthbounds or like earthbound spirits that will then try to kind of like stop you from your ceremony.

[Alex Ferrari]

And so in the show Yellowstone.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

You've seen, you know about that show?

[Sean Leonard]

I have seen Yellowstone, yeah. I actually kind of like the show for a while.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's a great show. It was a great show. There Was this because they are cowboys in Montana, but they're really connected to the land.

[Sean Leonard]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

And they're connected to the indigenous. And one part of. And she's. He was married. The, the character I'm talking about was married to an indigenous woman. So he needed to go out to do that. He went out to the, into nature.

[Sean Leonard]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

And they, and the, the Indians were putting a circle around him.

[Sean Leonard]

Right. You stay in your circle and you.

[Alex Ferrari]

Stay in your circle. And in that time, that's when these spirits would come in, trying to get them out. And they, and they literally said this to like in the show. Yeah, they're like, they're gonna try to tempt you, go, no. Yeah. And there was a wolf that kept. That kind of brought him in. But that was his totem.

[Sean Leonard]

His totem.

[Alex Ferrari]

His totem was the wolf, you know, the protector, the this or that. And God. It's fascinating that they pulled from, they pulled from this story to incorporate it in that.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah, I mean, that's.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's very accurate.

[Sean Leonard]

It's an indigenous ceremony. It is very accurate. So people have had the two, three days.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, two, three days square days. No food, no water.

[Sean Leonard]

No food or water. And it has to be something that is overseen by an elder because they have to keep an eye on you and keep checking on you. And then after that, you start the whole ceremony with a sweat.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Sean Leonard]

So you're already a little bit dehydrated and you can drink some water in this wet, but only like a spoonful here and there through the rounds because you pass water around as well. And then after that you go into the circle. You know, an elder will come and oversee you and then you'll have visions. You'll start to. You may embody the spirit of the eagle, you may embody the spirit of the wolf or the bear. And maybe there's like a message that you will receive because of that. How you need to approach a certain situation or an aspect of life that you need to get stronger in. And then you end it with a sweat. And then you start seeing stuff. Yeah, yeah, it's, you know, you're into an altered state of reality.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's what I was, that's the word I was looking for. You become. You go into an altered state, right? So not taking peyote, you're sweating it out of you, right?

[Sean Leonard]

You're in a fasting, you're in an interdimensional space and time.

[Alex Ferrari]

So you have a foot in both worlds.

[Sean Leonard]

You're in both worlds at that time.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's amazing. So that's kind of what.

[Sean Leonard]

And there's that levels of energy, right? The higher level of energy, there's low earthbound energy, right, where some spirits reside and some animals and creatures reside as well. And you know, and your spirit's kind of like crossing between all those levels of energy.

[Alex Ferrari]

Does the consciousness of humanity right now, do we, like when you connect to a certain animal, do we kind of evolve to another animal? So like I started off as the wolf and then now I really can. Like how does that work?

[Sean Leonard]

Well, you know, when I was young, I, I was, I was drawn to polar bears, but, you know, never thought anything, right? Never thought anything of it until it came to me in the dream. And then, you know, now that I've received six different parts of the bears, etc. But I don't believe that they leave you. I feel like we gain more medicine. So you just keep.

[Alex Ferrari]

You have a tribe of animals, the stages of life. So explain these four.

[Sean Leonard]

So like the infancy of stage of life, there may be one or two animals. It could be a spirit and power totem that is with you in the infancy stage of your life. As you move into the you stage of your life, there could be two. Two new animals that present themselves.

[Alex Ferrari]

But the other guys haven't left.

[Sean Leonard]

No, they're still part of your. Your tribe. They're still part of your soul group. Right. Just like the bear has been showing up all my life. But I didn't really know how strongly it was connected to me till later. And the eagle, you know, I just recently, I just met an elder when I was up in Fredericton doing my event, which is a province in Canada, and she gifted me an eagle head. And she's gifted me an eagle talon. And I have to take it to a taxidermist to kind of finalize it so that I can put it on a staff or something like that. But she says. And this is where she goes in the trance sometimes. And different elders do. They receive a gift of an animal from like, a wildlife park or somebody that is like an eagle's, like, died on the power lines and they found the rem. And then indigenous people can go to the natural resources and say, you know, do you have any that I can use? And they'll say, yes, we've just discovered this eagle. They'll take it. They'll do ceremony, and then they'll go into their ceremony and they'll be told by spirit which parts are supposed to go to which people. So the spirit had come to her and said, I need to give Sean this eagle head, and I have to give him the talon or the claw as well. So she recently gifted me those, and they're home, and I have to kind of like, care for those and finish the process. And on top of this, somebody just called me and said, because I live in Nova Scotia on the ocean, she said, sean, I just found this eagle that washed ashore. I can't keep it because it's illegal for me to have, but I've saved it. And I think that you may want this.

[Alex Ferrari]

And it's legal for you to have it.

[Sean Leonard]

I can have it. As indigenous people in Canada, we can have the remains of animals that are especially endangered or protected. But we're using it. We're not killing the animals.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, that's for.

[Sean Leonard]

Right. Especially protected animals. That doesn't mean that. And if you're at the Bear Nation, you probably don't go bear hunting.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right. You're not killing eagles if you're.

[Sean Leonard]

No, you don't you don't care. The buffalo. You don't eat the buffalo. But could I go moose hunting? Yeah, I could. And. But I would still respect that animal and honor the medicine that the animal. I would, I would, I would. I would. Every bite of that animal that I would eat, I would honor it and thank it for the sustenance and a life that it's given me. And that happened just a year and a half ago. I've not hunted my whole life. I hunted when I was young. That's not true. I used to rabbit hunt and stuff, but I had a dream where I was in the forest and I saw a bunch of moose walking through the forest. And one stopped and looked at me. And I woke up. I told Michelle, I said, michelle, it's so weird because I know I don't have moose medicine that I carry, but I had this dream of these moose. Later that afternoon, I get a call from an elder in New Brunswick. He said, sean, we're going moose hunting. You should come with us. And my wife's going, like, that's not an accident. So we go up to New Brunswick, and I don't have a license, but as an indigenous person, if you go with an elder, I don't even own a guy.

[Alex Ferrari]

So.

[Sean Leonard]

I'm staying at their camp. This is. Her name's Juliet Barnaby from Listiguish near Quebec, New Brunswick border. And so we go to her camp, we get up the next day, we go for a little drive just to see if there are moose. And I have a psychic vision. This is where I'm like, did we drive by here? I'm seeing moose tracks, I'm ahead. And he just jams on his brakes and goes, oh, look, there's 13 moose up on the hill. And it was just like the dream that I had. He says, if you're going to take a moose, now is the time. So I got out, he prepared the gun for me, told me where to shoot and aim and how to dial in the scope and the moose. And he said, well, there's a buck off in the trees, but there was only one standing in the clear. And it was like she presented herself to me, just like in the dream.

[Alex Ferrari]

Wow.

[Sean Leonard]

And I took the shot and it ended her life. And then I said, should we go up there? He says, no, you give her time to make her transition. So we went, had breakfast, we came back, I brought my tobacco, I laid tobacco on the animal, I put my hands on her heart and I thanked her and I prayed for her. And we're not that conscious of the food that we eat. When we go to the keg, you know, and have a steak, we don't think about the life of the animal that we may be. Have taken to disconnection. Right. There's a disconnection for understanding and respecting the animal nation. And so he showed me everything I needed to do to harvest that animal to bring home. And I have, like a whole freezer full of moose. And every meal I have, I am grateful, I'm thankful. And I think about the moose. And she lived her full life. You know, she was quite older, so it was just everything aligned for that to happen. And I knew it was an accident, especially I'm writing the book. And I think spirit wanted me to share the understanding that animals aren't just our friends. I mean, the plant nation as well have life and spirits, but all animals. But we have to be respectful and honor them and only take what we need not to abuse it.

[Alex Ferrari]

The world's having a little bit of a problem with that nowadays.

[Sean Leonard]

We are. And I think that's why the animal medicines are coming back to the human nation now. Connecting to people is to help us just be more conscious, more connected, and know that finite balance between all nations.

[Alex Ferrari]

How can you tell? Have you had experience with this, where animals come to you as messengers, not only in dreams and in spirit, but in real life? Like, I've heard so many stories of birds that just keep landing on your. Yeah. In a place after someone has passed. And, like, she loved blue jays. And all of a sudden, blue jay is always outside the window.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah, well, my dad used to. Like, after my dad passed, I started getting. Blue jays would just show up and just squawk at me. Just like, squawking at me, like.

[Alex Ferrari]

And then before, that didn't happen.

[Sean Leonard]

No, nothing like this. And it was just. It was actually kind of abnormal. Like, how many blue jays were coming around me. And then blue jay feathers start showing up.

[Alex Ferrari]

Up.

[Sean Leonard]

I start getting blue jay feathers. And I remember after my dad died, a long time after, like, I hadn't gotten a blue jay feather in a long time, and me and my mom were going for breakfast, and she goes, do you think. Do you still feel them around? I said, oh, absolutely. I feel dad around. You know, get out of the. We went for breakfast, we come back, and right where my car door was, there was a blue jay feather sitting there. I'm like, what's the odds of that, Mom? You know. You know that. That we just spoke about them and you're asking me if I feel them around and then that there's a blue jay feather there. It's not an accident. I mean spirit people can use animals as messengers to remind you that they're still with us. So there's this cooperation or connection to the animal nation even with spirit and.

[Alex Ferrari]

When they do communicate with you. So that's one version of communication which is spirit using animals or partnering with animals to give us information. But how about if it's your totem?

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Now hopefully a polar bear is not going to show up and for me, hopefully a tiger is not going to show up. But let's say you have a more kind, not kinder, but more domesticated animal.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. Like if you're connect. But let's perfect example if you're connected to the feline world. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. You know, I assume tigers Are part of the feline.

[Sean Leonard]

Absolutely they are. Right?

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, yeah. Like the dogs are part of the.

[Sean Leonard]

Of the wolf nation.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, of course. So it is a representation of my. I mean, you use me as an apple. The tiger. My cats will have. They will give me some sort of message or. Is there a way to communicate? Because I told this story the other day on one of the episodes and I think it's very important to tell the story again. So please forgive me if you've heard this. Guys, my dog, who's a very sick. He was very. He was a paralyzed for the last five years of his life. And I took care of him when I was a kid.

[Sean Leonard]

Just in the back.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Just in the back.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah, I could see your dog.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, yeah, he's sick.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

So he, you know, I probably kept him alive longer than he should have.

[Sean Leonard]

Because he crawled around in his two. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. It was diaper and all this time.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

So. So. But I did that for. And he taught me valuable lessons about everything. He was with me and I was a bachelor and all this kind of stuff. And. And then I met my wife. And then about a month after we were dating was the first time she came over. Yes, she came over. She met him the next day. He left.

[Sean Leonard]

Wow.

[Alex Ferrari]

He died the next day.

[Sean Leonard]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

He's kind of like, thank God I can rest now.

[Sean Leonard]

I've been waiting for you for a while.

[Alex Ferrari]

Jesus, two years late already. I can't take this guy anymore. He's yours? Yeah, Kind of energy. And I have a picture of him. I keep him in the house all the time. And my daughter's. Ask him about him. We have a little. A little Christmas tree ornament that my mom gave me that's a little. A little. He was a corgi. Yeah, it's a little corgi with a little halo. And he always goes at the top of the tree. Right. Every Christmas. And, you know, my kids know about him and all this kind of stuff. So it was. He was communicating with me in that way. He just. There was a connection.

[Sean Leonard]

There was. I mean, he's part of your soul family, right? There's no question you have a cross cultural connection in relation to many lifetimes too. So I feel like the fact that he showed up in your lifetime and I feel like animals can show up in your lifetime more than once.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, I have a couple of cats now.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah. You swear they're probably a cat from another time, right?

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, well, I mean, one of them definitely is. And the other one, man, he just Came up and he's like. When we went to the shelter, we were picked up. When we got him, my daughter wanted. He's like, I want a dog. I'm like, I'm not getting you a dog. It's way too much work, and I'm gonna have to deal with it, so. No, yeah, yeah, okay, I'll make it. We'll get you another cat. So, like, we had one cat in the room for one daughter, and we got the other cat for the other one. He just came up and just. Boom, headbutts. Boom, headbutts. The most loving cat ever.

[Sean Leonard]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

And then he attached himself to my wife. Yeah, that's it. That's. That's his person.

[Sean Leonard]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm second. But that he. Number one. He doesn't even look at the girls.

[Sean Leonard]

Right. Yeah. Because we. We like. I.

[Alex Ferrari]

Fascinating.

[Sean Leonard]

I have little dash hounds.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, that's beautiful.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah, Little long hair dash hounds. And they're pretty cute. Scout. And my. My. My second one's called Obi Wan. Well played, Obi. Yes, well played, sir. And anyway, when. When I met. Because we had Scout, he's probably over four or five years old, and I felt that he needed a little companion because I travel, and I think he needs a little friend to keep him company. Keep him young, too, because, I mean, he just wants to sleep all the time. And him and the cat don't get along necessarily. So I feel it was really good for him to have another brother.

[Alex Ferrari]

Sure.

[Sean Leonard]

So we get Obi. But when I met Obi, I recognized him when I saw him. I used to have a dog when I was young, and he went vicious, unfortunately. And he got hit by a car. He was just a puppy. And I. When I met this. This. This little Obi, right. And. And I hadn't named him at the time when I knew him, when I met him, I knew I had the name of Momi. I'm like, I know this dog. I know him. I met him before, and we never got to finish our karma. We never got to work out what we needed to work out. And I feel like he came back to me to kind of work it out.

[Alex Ferrari]

Karma, like.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah. Between your karma's experience between us. Yes. There's. We're learning from. Everybody's teaching everybody everything. And our. Our pet family are teaching us things too.

[Alex Ferrari]

I mean. I mean, I literally had to take care of a, you know, a paralyzed dog for like, five years Right. In my twenties.

[Sean Leonard]

And. So when did you have your children?

[Alex Ferrari]

I had my children when I was in my late 30s.

[Sean Leonard]

Okay. So your wife, now, is she the mother of your children?

[Alex Ferrari]

I would hope so.

[Sean Leonard]

Remember? I don't. I don't know.

[Alex Ferrari]

I was in the room when they came.

[Sean Leonard]

Not to be offensive. I just don't know your background.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes, of course. Yes, yes.

[Sean Leonard]

But what was he teaching about being a parent?

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, absolutely. About being responsible, about thinking about outside of myself. I was 20, in my 20s. I was just.

[Sean Leonard]

And we all are. We all have that ego from. Which we learn from as we're younger and we grow and we mature. But he was teaching you some things about, you know, being a caregiver, being a father, being a parent, and being. And how to be a nurturer or caregiver to people so that when you did become a dad and meet your wife, hence when you met her, you know, he didn't need to teach you this. This. The next part of your life, you know, the next part of your experience is now unfolding. You don't need me. Your family's coming now.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm good now.

[Sean Leonard]

I prepared you for this.

[Alex Ferrari]

Wow, that's so powerful. I still remember the first day. I didn't want him. My mom got him for me. She's like, I think I'm gonna get you a dog. And I'm like, thanks. And she brought them. And I remember I was working at the video store. Yeah, I was 18. And she's like, I have a surprise for you. And I go. The back seat of her car, and there he is as a puppy. And I go. I put my hand. And he starts licking me right away.

[Sean Leonard]

Right?

[Alex Ferrari]

And it was.

[Sean Leonard]

It was just instant connection.

[Alex Ferrari]

It was instant connection. And, you know, I told him, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna feed him. I'm not gonna. And then slowly but surely, guess what? I ended up taking care of them.

[Sean Leonard]

And what a unique, you know, experience to have with a dog that is paralyzed from in the backside down from probably here back. But it feels like.

[Alex Ferrari]

But so you say you see him.

[Sean Leonard]

I see him. Yeah. I can see. I mean, I'm psychic. So when I. We talk about things, I see things. So this is what it's like to be me. Yeah, I. It's a. It's a gift. That's like when I met Lisa on stage and she was doing readings, and I saw this angel. Right. You know, it's just things come to me visually and, you know, maybe I think a lot of things come to a lot of people. We just don't pay attention to it.

[Alex Ferrari]

But I think we are becoming more Aware.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah, we are.

[Alex Ferrari]

So it's like, like I was talking to Robert Edward Grant, who's a polymath and he's an explorer. He's Tony Stark. He's Tony Stark, let's just call it. He's starting Stark, but Tony Stark meets Indiana Jones. It's. He's the most interesting human being I know. And he was starting to go to the great pyramids and he made discoveries at the great pyramids that he's starting to see patterns inside the. And he's proven this, I mean, because he's extremely intelligent man. And he starts seeing patterns in the grid in the king's chamber, on the wall that has been there for thousands of years and no one noticed them. But then he starts pointing them out to the jetologists from the government and they're like, I can see them. I'm not supposed to see them, but.

[Sean Leonard]

I can see them. Yeah, yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And now he just made a recent discovery. He's like, he's doing research and he found that there's two other pyramids on the plateau.

[Sean Leonard]

Wow.

[Alex Ferrari]

That no one has ever seen before, but yet they're on like 500 year old maps and things like that. But now he goes there and then he went to where they are and there is a pile of. It's not, it's a. Remnants of a pyramid because you're in the desert. So there's not rocks like that in the desert.

[Sean Leonard]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Then he's showing you the cut lines. They're very eroded, but the cut. And I asked him, I go, why is it, Robert, that you're able to see these things now? And people are starting to see these things now, but they've been in front of us this entire time. And he said something very profound. He's like, well, our consciousness is raising, our vibration, our frequency is elevating to a point where we can see things that have been right in front of us the entire time. That kind of goes along with what you said.

[Sean Leonard]

Absolutely. I mean, our ancestors, our loved ones or ancestors that are in the spirit world are reconnecting to us stronger in a personal way. But we're more aware and they're revealing things to us that maybe we've forgotten or that we don't know or we don't remember. So they're infusing us with knowledge and wisdom.

[Alex Ferrari]

How do you. Because you, I mean your culture seems to be really connected to their ancestors. So you, I mean, it's a, it's a verbal tradition. Mostly.

[Sean Leonard]

Mostly.

[Alex Ferrari]

Mostly. Back then, you know, there wasn't but there's also.

[Sean Leonard]

I mean, we. Well, we have ceremonies in indigenous culture to connect to our ancestors. Ancestors, Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

So my point is that when you. When you connect it to ancestors, it was always based on verbal or oral tradition.

[Sean Leonard]

No, no.

[Alex Ferrari]

How do. So how do you connect? So how do you know five generations back or 10 generations back?

[Sean Leonard]

Well, because a lot of our ceremonies. Because this is what I'm saying, a lot of things were lost because of colonization. Sure. And. And which is unfortunate, of course, and some elders kept the wisdom. But many of our ceremonies have been given back to us from our ancestors in the spirit world that have reminded us and told us and taught you and taught you. You know, one of these ceremonies that I didn't know, but my ancestors, my people in spirit told me about. We have a game called Waltis.

[Alex Ferrari]

Waltis.

[Sean Leonard]

Waltis. It's a fun game. It's a wooden maple bowl, and there's like five to seven dice in it, and they're made of bones or antlers, and they have a symbol, and it's a fun game. And you play with elders and you take it and you bounce it it, and all the pieces go flying in the air and you're hoping they all come up or all down or all up at one. And then there's a bunch of sticks that you get in relation to that. But there was a double purpose for the bowl. Our ancestors would have taken it and did a ceremony where they put the water in the bowl and left it in the moonlight for four nights. And they would have done a sweat, a smudge, a pipe ceremony, invited the ancestors, and then after the four nights, the person that could see with the community or had the ability to see would sit with the water and gaze into the water. Not that there's anything in the water, but it's an energization of the ceremony. And they would be in a meditative state, and then the ancestors would tell them what medicine somebody should have, what message somebody would need from their loved one or something we've forgotten, and tell us about a ceremony that we need to remember.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Sean Leonard]

And I saw this, and my ancestors had shown me this. And when I went to elders and told them, like we used to have a ceremony like that, nobody said, this is their ceremony. Spirit had told me about the ceremony, my ancestors told me about the ceremony and then it was validated through someone else. So it was, you know, our ancestors can guide us and teach us things or help us learn things that would not have been forgotten for sure.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. Because, I mean, I know of in my lineage, I know of only probably up until my great grandparents and. And I vaguely understand who they were.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

I can't even think about going back.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

But like, when I went to. For my ancestors, my ancestors, according to my grandparents and my great grandparents, they came from Spain.

[Sean Leonard]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

And this is the funny thing about it. They came from both sides of my family. My mother and father both, all, well, Cubans generally were colonized.

[Sean Leonard]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

They're all Spanish.

[Sean Leonard]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know, in South America, obviously a lot of Spanish. But when I did my DNA test to see where I came from.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

South of Spain, Northern Africa.

[Sean Leonard]

There you go.

[Alex Ferrari]

85% of me.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Of my DNA comes from that region. So when I went there and visited this last summer. Wow. Holy crap.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah. See, I have a guide named Victoria.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay. A guide.

[Sean Leonard]

A guide, spirit guide and a recorder. I actually can record her talking to me sometimes.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay.

[Sean Leonard]

I Have recordings of her on my YouTube channel and there's a voice where you'll hear her saying the kidge, the kedj and things like that. She's Gaelic, but also has Norwegian ancestry.

[Alex Ferrari]

She's Gaelic.

[Sean Leonard]

Gaelic. Gaelic. Like old Gaelic. Yeah. So Scotland, Norway kind of mix.

[Alex Ferrari]

I don't, I don't, I know how that connects to indigenous.

[Sean Leonard]

Well, why I'm saying this is part of my genetics is 15 Scandinavian.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, they might have come over. Yeah. Across the.

[Sean Leonard]

Right. I mean.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah.

[Sean Leonard]

The Vikings, of course.

[Alex Ferrari]

Of course, of course.

[Sean Leonard]

Meet up with some indigenous people when they. I even have a thing called Viking's disease.

[Alex Ferrari]

No.

[Sean Leonard]

Yes. Where I, I, you probably can't see, but I have like a tendon here that is like, it's, it's, it's got a ball on the tendon and I have them on my feet too. And it's actually called, it's called something else, but it's also referred to as Viking's disease because the Viking people were malnutritioned when they came over and they interbred with indigenous Mikma people and they had these things on their tendons because they. Of overuse and overwork.

[Alex Ferrari]

You mean of.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah, from growing, hacking, you know, doing everything.

[Alex Ferrari]

Viking stuff.

[Sean Leonard]

Viking stuff, yeah. Mostly not fighting, but just like surviving, I'd say. But so they pillaging. They had issues with their tendons because of malnutrition and genetics over centuries of time.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's like having scurvy because you didn't drink vitamin C with classified.

[Sean Leonard]

Do you think it's odd, though, that, you know, because I'm, I have 15 of my DNA is Scandinavian and here I have a guide who is Gaelic. Scandinavian. My ancestor from genetically many generations back, generations back that is helping me and guiding me in this current lifetime.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's fascinating.

[Sean Leonard]

So, no, I think when we think about our ancestors, it's much larger than we can even comprehend.

[Alex Ferrari]

So I'm going to go into deep waters here.

[Sean Leonard]

Okay, let's do it.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm going to go into deep waters here because I love this, I love these kind of conversations. All right, so that, that the Gaelic guide of you, her name. Victoria.

[Sean Leonard]

Victoria.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay, Victoria. So Victoria, her soul.

[Sean Leonard]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

Is on the other side guiding you.

[Sean Leonard]

Absolutely.

[Alex Ferrari]

But that soul is. And this is how I see it, that soul is a spark or an echo of who she was in that time when. In that incarnation.

[Sean Leonard]

Yes. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

But she is that oversoul of hers.

[Sean Leonard]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's just one aspect of her.

[Sean Leonard]

Bingo. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And she's in the future doing other things. She's in the past doing other things. She's. She might even still be here right now.

[Sean Leonard]

She may be. I. I've not met her and. Actually, that's not true.

[Alex Ferrari]

I have met her and you met her.

[Sean Leonard]

I met her physically once in my life, but.

[Alex Ferrari]

But she's not incarnated.

[Sean Leonard]

No, she wasn't. She came in a spirit and just vanished like in a second later.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay, but so, but so she might actually be incarnated here, as, you know, Beth in, you know, New York, you know, something. Who knows? Yeah. So I'm. I'm saying this because it's. I'm trying to wrap my head around. So is that make sense that this is kind of like an aspect of her? So in other words, you and I have lived many lives.

[Sean Leonard]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

If we've gotten to this point, to have this conversation, this is not our first time here on Earth.

[Sean Leonard]

Yes, of course.

[Alex Ferrari]

So, you know, we probably were Roman. We're probably Egyptian. We were probably, you know, Vikings, many, God knows how many other different kind of generations. So those versions of us, those aspects of the Roman Alex.

[Sean Leonard]

Right, right.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll call it the Roman Alex. And you're the Egyptian, Sean.

[Sean Leonard]

Yes. Okay.

[Alex Ferrari]

They exist on the other side.

[Sean Leonard]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

While you and I are still having this incarnation.

[Sean Leonard]

Absolutely.

[Alex Ferrari]

The oversoul Egyptian. Like, does that make sense?

[Sean Leonard]

They exist within you now?

[Alex Ferrari]

All of them?

[Sean Leonard]

All of them. You just. And that's why some people in different parts of the world have fallen and hit their head and woke up and speak German.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, God, that's a disease. That's right. And they speak.

[Sean Leonard]

They all of a sudden know how to play the piano. Never played their whole life, but yet in another lifetime they had played. So there's elements or aspects of their oversoul that we can tap into, reconnects.

[Alex Ferrari]

And we can actually in an instant.

[Sean Leonard]

And it's usually because of some type of trauma that we then. Then have another lifetime personality that kind of connects to this. This lifetime.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, there's stories and stories in history about people just waking up one day or something happened and then they get.

[Sean Leonard]

Paid, hit their head and they could.

[Alex Ferrari]

Paint and then I could play music, or I can.

[Sean Leonard]

Or all of a sudden they're fluent in German and never spoke German in their whole life or never been a German, never been to Germany, but yet they can speak. Is that. How is that even possible?

[Alex Ferrari]

Like. Yeah. Where is that information coming from?

[Sean Leonard]

It's already within you. We just believe it's separate of us.

[Alex Ferrari]

So how do you tap into it, Sean?

[Sean Leonard]

Well, maybe give Your good Internet, Sean.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm not going to give myself a concussion, Sir. To speak German.

[Sean Leonard]

I'm just joking.

[Alex Ferrari]

I will. No, I would say. Is that a stone, Sir?

[Sean Leonard]

Meditation and ceremony. You know, if you. But I think there's certain aspects of your oversold that you're not meant to remember. Like in order for you to be the person that you're. You're.

[Alex Ferrari]

You're. I don't need to know.

[Sean Leonard]

You're being in this space and time. Right. That you have to fully embrace this. Now, does it mean that you can't remember through past life regression or other regression hypnosis sessions and stuff or even deep meditation or trance or ceremony? Yeah. Aspects of that. That memory of that animal you once were or the person you once were may come flooding back into you. It's like, I can remember this now.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. Because you don't want to. Like, if you happen to be in a former life. Genghis Khan. Yeah, hopefully not. But let's say you were someone who did a lot of a Viking who just raped and pillaged and did all the Viking.

[Sean Leonard]

I think that's a misconception. I think they did that sometimes, but I don't think they did it.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes. I don't mean to offend your ancestors, sir. I am just.

[Sean Leonard]

We're pretty spiritual people for the most part.

[Alex Ferrari]

They were. They have bad pr.

[Sean Leonard]

People got real.

[Alex Ferrari]

Don't mean to offend the Viking Vikings. But generally speaking, that they did a lot of, let's say, negative things.

[Sean Leonard]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

Or not. Not good. You wouldn't want to remember a moment that you were a soldier in World War I.

[Sean Leonard]

No.

[Alex Ferrari]

You don't want to remember that trauma in this life because it would just change you.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

So you don't want to connect to that version or at least that part of that. So that makes sense to me.

[Sean Leonard]

Right?

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. You don't want all of it.

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[Alex Ferrari]

All your lives at the same time.

[Sean Leonard]

If you have PTSD from all the people that you murdered in another lifetime, it might not serve you in this lifetime being the spiritual person that you are today.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right. Because we've evolved since then.

[Sean Leonard]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

And this is this life. I'm here to do this work.

[Sean Leonard]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

As opposed to dealing with that work. That's a whole other.

[Sean Leonard]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

We got enough stuff down here to.

[Sean Leonard]

Deal with, let alone to break another lifetime. So I came unpacked this way. Let me unpack. Can you imagine having to try and.

[Alex Ferrari]

There are people who say they can remember all of their lifetimes.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah, I remember some. You do?

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah.

[Sean Leonard]

So do you remember? I remember I said last time I was here, I spoke about a story where I was in France. So if you haven't seen our first interview, you should watch it because there's a story on there. But I was in France, in southern France with the Cathars.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah.

[Sean Leonard]

And. And I met my. My ex wife there in the regression that I had. And I realized I'd lived life before and actually went to France and discovered the exact spot from which I lived and the people that I was connected to.

[Alex Ferrari]

Is that why sometimes you, like, you get that deja vu and you're like, have I been here before?

[Sean Leonard]

Maybe so familiar. Maybe I didn't know I was there until I was regressed. And then when I was regressed, I went there and I literally everything just kind of unfolded that I found the exact spot from which I lived, and it was just amazing. Amazing.

[Alex Ferrari]

Have you guys, have you and your wife figured out how lifetimes before that you were together? Because obviously you.

[Sean Leonard]

Well, I've been married three times, so.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, but that could have been funny. They could all still be part of your soul group.

[Sean Leonard]

They are part of your soul group. I mean, it doesn't mean that, you know, we've had many, you know, we'll call them soul mates.

[Alex Ferrari]

Sure.

[Sean Leonard]

Through many lifetimes. And, you know, different soulmates come in your different lifetimes at certain aspects because that's where you are and what you need and they're supporting you and you're supporting each other on your growth.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right. And it doesn't have to be a romantic soulmate. It could be your mother, your father, other people.

[Sean Leonard]

Right. I mean, you have many soulmates. Soulmates. And, and. And some of them could be romantic.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Sure.

[Sean Leonard]

Right. And it's so. It's not, you know, we've lived many lifetimes, like past, present, future. Right. So it could be with one person. Very rare, I think. Very rare. Or the.

[Alex Ferrari]

The one every single night.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah. Right. Do you have soulmate connections? Maybe. I think. I think a soulmate connection really represents the. The alignment between you and another person.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. But, but those souls, even if like you maybe let's say we're having fun here, let's say three lifetimes in a row you guys were romantic soulmates.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Doesn't mean on the fourth lifetime they're probably going to be in your life in one way, shape or form. But it might not be a romantic.

[Sean Leonard]

Different like even with a brother or sister. My ex wife. Right. We were together. Obviously we weren't supposed to be even together in that lifetime because she was a princess and I was just a peasant farmer dude. And this is a former lifetime. Yeah. I was just like a peasant farmer. You know, I was a caterer. I was a very spiritual person in that lifetime. But I was with somebody I wasn't supposed to be with and I in. Even though we're passed across on this lifetime, you know, we were meant to be together for a time to teach.

[Alex Ferrari]

Each other what we need.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah. And then. And we have, you know, two beautiful girls because of that and they're part of life and that's amazing. But that's, that's, you know, that's not our complete journey. Our journey was meant to end and maybe we'll reconnect in another one, maybe we won't. And, but I don't know that. I don't know that yet. But as far as I know, we've lived many lifetimes together and we keep showing up from time to time and even my current Partner. I feel like I know her, Michelle, But I'm not quite sure yet where we've connected to in the past.

[Alex Ferrari]

And you can't. You haven't tapped into that?

[Sean Leonard]

Not yet. It will reveal itself. I. You know, I don't. The way my life kind of works, it just. It reveals itself and unfolds.

[Alex Ferrari]

And you. But you actually. You're a really great definition of someone who trusts the path.

[Sean Leonard]

I trust. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. You have faith in the path. You have faith that things are supposed to work out the way they are.

[Sean Leonard]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

I mean, I don't know you deeply, like, but. But I imagine that you're not worried, worrying about, like, oh, oh, God, is this gonna happen? Or that's gonna, like, whatever happened?

[Sean Leonard]

No, I mean, we have.

[Alex Ferrari]

You roll with it.

[Sean Leonard]

Forerunners. And animals sometimes are part of forerunners. Right. In an animal, a bird hitting the window. And then next, you know, you hear about a death in the family. Right. And things like that happen. Right. So there's a. You know, there's messages to kind of let you know that you're gonna go through stuff. So when things like that happen, I feel there's an intention, a purpose, a reason. There's something charted, planned. It's not chaos.

[Alex Ferrari]

Can I tell you, this is a. Kind of. Like when you said bird hitting a window, this story came into me. And this is a. This was a pretty years before Next Level Soul, all this kind of stuff. My wife, who was my girlfriend at the time, she was in the bathroom, and we had. In that house that we had in Florida, it's a glass. A glass door to the shower. And all of a sudden I just hear, boom. The shower door just explodes.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And, you know, those shower doors are not. They're tempered.

[Sean Leonard]

They're.

[Alex Ferrari]

They're not. They're not easy to break.

[Sean Leonard]

No.

[Alex Ferrari]

And I run in and I go. And she's, like, a little bit bleeding because, like, what happened?

[Sean Leonard]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

She just touched it. I just touched it because it would have taken so much force.

[Sean Leonard]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

It was a small bathroom, so you're like, you. She didn't throw anything. There was. She just touched the door.

[Sean Leonard]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

And it exploded that moment.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Across town, her aunt was getting in a car accident.

[Sean Leonard]

Really?

[Alex Ferrari]

She was fine.

[Sean Leonard]

The synchronicity of things, it just happened.

[Alex Ferrari]

At the same time. And when we found that out, because she comes from a Latin American background. I'm Cuban.

[Sean Leonard]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

So that whole. We just started connecting, and it was like that energy to save her had to flow through her and pop through, as opposed to save the aunt from getting really hurt. That's what we kind of came up with. That's the only thing that made. What do you think that.

[Sean Leonard]

Well, I would say it's a forerunner for sure that something's happening in the family and Spirit's trying to let you know, despite what's going on, everything is according to plan. So. Because sometimes we get wrapped up thinking, oh, my God, I can't believe this person was in the accident. But if you had some type of forerunner to kind of let you know that this is coming down, that means there was a charted plan for that to happen for that person. And it could be death for someone. And I have a story about this in the book, actually. There's an elder that I met a long time ago named Danny Paul. And anyway, I had this amazing dream with eagles. And the dream was where I was in the sky flying with eagles. And I looked around and some of the eagles were all white. There were white eagles, even though my name is White Eagle. I was looking at these other eagles that were all white, and I could tell that they were elders. They were all white. There is no white eagle. I was gonna say it's a fallacy of being white eagles. Right? So anyway, these bald eagles are all pure white. I know that they're elders. And the other eagles. This is where it gets kind of strange. The other eagles all have ice in their wings, and they're flying in partners of pairs, but they have ice. They have ice forming in their feathers.

[Alex Ferrari]

Are they white or are they colored?

[Sean Leonard]

No, they're not. Okay, they're not. Now the pairs, there's a male and female. The female would get on the. On the back of the male as they were flying and pick the ice off the feathers. And then they would change, and then the male would get on the back of the female and pick the ice off. So all the eagles had flown to this. We'll call it a church hall.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay?

[Sean Leonard]

And at the church hall, they were beating on the door for help because they had nowhere else to go. They literally. Their little talons kicking on the door. Which is comical in some sense. But anyway, this priest come to the door, and the priest said, well, what can I help you with? He says, well, you've done so much harm to us, but we need you to reciprocate some healing back to us.

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[Sean Leonard]

We need our own space and place to be.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, this is the eagle side.

[Sean Leonard]

The eagle's talking to the priests.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay?

[Sean Leonard]

And so what happened was that. Well, the priest would not help them, but What? He says, I'll give you a piece of the land that we've annexed from you. So they went to the land and they built a longhouse, a traditional.

[Alex Ferrari]

This is all in the dream?

[Sean Leonard]

In the dream.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's pretty.

[Sean Leonard]

I know, it's pretty vivid. Yeah. And anyway, all the eagles were inside the longhouse, and the white eagles were inside the longhouse with them. A sacred space of teaching for elders and to share wisdom and knowledge. Right? And I saw all the ice melting off the wings of the other eagles. Now, it was like they were becoming healthy again. They were becoming whole again. And then I woke up and I tell my wife, Michelle, who's probably the wisest person in my life.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm going to say, you've brought her up a few times. I'm like, like, well, I gotta give my. I mean, that's all my go to person. Hey, listen, I've been married a couple decades. I get you. Yeah, yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay.

[Sean Leonard]

So she says, well, she should speak to an elder and tell him about the dream and see what he can make of this. So I'm thinking about some elders. And she goes, well, you shouldn't call those people. I don't like those people so much. Right. She's honest, bluntly honest. And then I'm thinking, she's got to be someone else you can think of. And I'm like, I used to. I remember this guy, Danny Paul, right? So I go to his Facebook page and on his profile he's got an eagle in his arm. I'm like, pretty sure this is a guy I'm supposed to talk to. So I give him a call and I say, danny, I tell him about the dream, and he goes, you know what? I've already have a space picked up for the longhouse. I've been waiting for somebody to come and help me. And I said, well, how can I help you, Danny? And he says, I just need your time. And I'm like, I'll give you my time. Can we do this in the spring sometime? I'm very busy, so I don't have very much time. And he said, yes, I have a space already picked out for it. And anyway, I have this conversation with him and he says that our people need a long house and the elders need a place to share their wisdom and teachings and such like that. And I said, well, I'll help create the space so that elders can do this. And this was like December 19th, when I shared this vision with him, this dream, and it was very profound because you don't have Things like that happen all the time. Time. And so anyway, December 24th, I'm going to my wife's. My. My in laws, My. My wife's mom's house for. For Christmas dinner. Pre. Pre Christmas. Right. And so I'm driving there, and on the way there, there's an owl on a telephone wire that is hanging very low. Like, for whatever reason, this one wire is like sagging right down it. It shouldn't probably be that low, or somebody's probably going to get. Get hurt. But there's an owl on it. And I pull up to the owl in my truck and I get out and I'm standing from me to you. And I'm looking at the owl, and he just stares at me. I'm like, this is Michelle. This is weird. This owl is telling me something. He's trying to send me a message. And I'm not sure. She goes, what do you think it means? I was like, now, it represents wisdom. Right. Knowledge.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. Of course.

[Sean Leonard]

The elder meditation medicine. Right. Could also represent death. In indigenous culture, we sometimes see owls and we think that, oh, no, it's a forerunner to somebody dying. I said, I hope that's not what it means. But I feel like he's sharing something with me. So we have Christmas dinner and I go home and I think about calling Danny because of the message. Right. I go to his Facebook, he just died. He died six days after talking to him. And I'm thinking, was that Danny sending me the owl to remember the dream, to share the wisdom and knowledge. And recently, the lady, the elder that I just met up in New Brunswick, I told her about the same dream. And she says that in Mi' Kmaq community, we don't have any longhouses, but she knows the ceremony to build one. I said, well, can we build one together? And I. And she said, yes. So she's the one that gifted me the eagle head, the eagle talon, hence having the dream of the eagles. And it's reconnecting. And I never asked her to give me anything.

[Alex Ferrari]

Sure.

[Sean Leonard]

It's just all kind of aligned. And I feel like Danny was kind of like helping me. He was the one that told me he made his journey.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right.

[Sean Leonard]

But he also didn't want me to forget the teaching or what was given to me by spirit, and to share it with another elder. So that. That's a forerunner. But there's so much more to that. And that's how my life unfolds. It's, you know, when you start to see the synchronicity or connection in things. You know, I don't go looking for people to build this. They will come, they will show up and everything will align to make that happen.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. Sean, I don't know what, what it is about you, man, but like being in the room here, like, I feel so chilled. I feel kind of like connected. Like it's, there's a vibe, there's an energy in the room now. I'm like, I feel like I'm connected to my tiger. I'm connected to my horse. Yes. Like it's, it's like I, I'm not even joking about it. I'm literally feeling, feel. There's a feeling that I have in my body that I'm sensing and I'm feeling these kind of things as we're talking about it.

[Sean Leonard]

Right?

[Alex Ferrari]

And the stories in the back of my head of all the animal encounters and all the things, it's, it's pretty amazing, man. Sean, where can people Pick up this amazing book, walking with your spirit totem Animals.

[Sean Leonard]

Well, you can. You can get it. You can go to my website, Sean Leonard.com and if you. If you pre buy or if you buy after, you can, like submit your receipt number on my website and you'll get the free teaching October 23rd and it'll be recorded and sent over email. After, you'll get a meditation, you'll get a ceremonial prayer to say to connect to your spirit tone and minimal. But if you go to my website, it's got Amazon, ca, Amazon.com Barnes and Noble, Indigo, every place is all on my website that you can go and click and get the book.

[Alex Ferrari]

And of course, if they want to see more of you, they can go to Next Level Soul tv.

[Sean Leonard]

There you go. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Spirit talker.

[Sean Leonard]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

And we have a couple of projects we might be working on next year together, so I'm very excited to share that with the community as well. One last question to you, my friend.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Sure.

[Alex Ferrari]

If the animal kingdom could tell humanity one thing that we need to hear right now, what would it be?

[Sean Leonard]

Reconnect to us. Remember that we are one.

[Alex Ferrari]

My friend. I'm almost tearing up after. It's so simple. And that's when truths are usually.

[Sean Leonard]

It doesn't have to be complex at all.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's so, so, so simple. Sean, it is such a pleasure talking to you, my friend.

[Sean Leonard]

Same with you. I think we're like soul brothers, you and I.

[Alex Ferrari]

Must have been a horse and a.

[Sean Leonard]

Cow in another life, chicken and a worm. Chicken and a worm in another life, man.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because every time you and I get together, it just seems like we just fall into this kind of like, like, yeah, yeah. And we just chillax and it's kind of like, it's like comfortable. It's extremely comfortable. So I appreciate you, brother. Thank you again for being here. And I look forward to our next conversation. So thank you for helping everything you do to awaken this planet, my friend.

[Sean Leonard]

Me too. And thank you as well.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'd like to thank Sean so much for coming on the show and sharing his knowledge and wisdom with all of us. If you want to get links to anything we spoke about in this episode, head over to the show notes@next levelsoul.com forward/6,4,1. Now, if this conversation stirred something in you, there's more waiting. You can listen to this episode completely commercial free on next level Soul TVs app, where Soul meets streaming. Watch and listen on Apple iOS, Android, Apple TV, Roku, Android TV, Fire TV, LG and Samsung apps. Anytime, anywhere. Begin your awakening at next level Soul. Thank you so much for listening. As I always say, trust the journey. It's there to teach you. I'll see you next time.

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Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap. You're almost at the finish line. But first, There the last one. Enjoy a Coca Cola for a pause that refreshes.