Next Level Soul Podcast with Alex Ferrari

Episode 646: MYSTIC WARNING: Why HUMANITY Is in CHAOS — And How We SURVIVE What’s Coming!
Guest: Daniel Joseph Gobin
Date: December 9, 2025

Episode Overview

In this episode, host Alex Ferrari welcomes spiritual teacher and mystic Daniel Joseph Gobin for a thought-provoking conversation about humanity’s current chaotic state, why suffering and awakening are intertwined, and how individuals can connect to deeper truths to survive and thrive through coming changes. Drawing from decades of spiritual study, mystical experiences, and the profound influence of his own teacher Daskalos, Daniel shares practical wisdom, moving stories, and a roadmap for awakening in the midst of upheaval. The conversation spans topics including reincarnation, the unity of world religions, the true nature of self, thought form creation, spiritual traditions, and the accelerating shift in human consciousness.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

Daniel’s Early Mystical Experiences

• At age seven, Daniel began hearing his guardian angel and having vivid past life and out-of-body experiences without any framework or support from his family.

  “I heard my guardian angel talk to me. It was just as clear as a bell...and it spoke with the voice of authority...It spoke to me about my past lives, my current life.” – Daniel (03:53)

• Growing up in 1950s Indiana, Daniel’s mystical revelations about reincarnation and energy were seen as odd or concerning by his parents, yet he maintained unwavering inner certainty.
• Early experiences instilled a knowing deeper than intellectual understanding:

  “It was in every part of you and it's just like no one can convince you it's not true because you really experienced it.” – Daniel (07:33)

The Truth of Spiritual Seeking

• Misconceptions: Many believe spiritual truth exists outside themselves, chasing gurus or traditions, but the journey is actually an awakening or self-realization of what’s already within.

  “The seeker is the thought...what you are is what you're really seeking.” – Daniel (10:44)

• Awakening is a process of remembering and realizing the divine self, not developing something new.
• All wisdom traditions ultimately point back to discovering inner truth.

East & West: Spiritual Traditions and Mysticism (13:57)

• Western religions often appear less mystical on the surface, but Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all contain profound mystical traditions, often hidden or overshadowed by institutional dogma.

• Daniel explored Hinduism and Buddhism deeply before realizing Christianity’s original mystical core—specifically through the teachings of his master, Dr. Stylianos Atteshlis (Daskalos), in Cyprus.

• Daskalos’ Contribution: Systematized an ancient oral tradition called “Researchers of Truth,” which focuses on direct experience and self-realization through practical exercises.

  “It’s taken all the 2,000 years of religious prejudice and ignorant dogma and just read the teachings and try to penetrate those, because those are masterfully presented and they really do reveal the process.” – Daniel (15:34)

• Notable Quotes:

  • Yogananda (quoted by Alex): “Christ died, was crucified on the cross in one day, but his teachings have been crucified for 2,000 years.” (18:04)
  • Daskalos (via Daniel): “They crucified Christ. We are crucifying him every day in the way we treat other people because he’s in them and he’s in us.” (18:20)

Experiential Knowledge over Belief (08:08, 28:33)

• Books and theory can guide, but direct, lived mystical experience is what leads to wisdom and transformation.
• Being a “Researcher of Truth” is about living and practicing spiritual principles, not just believing or reading.

The Researchers of Truth & Daskalos’ Legacy (25:51)

• Daniel’s meeting with Daskalos (after 20 years of seeking) brought him into contact with a living master who was humble, loving, and deeply wise—but not interested in guru worship.
• “Researchers of Truth” is an ancient tradition, now systematized, with roots in early Christianity, the Rosicrucians, and other esoteric groups. Its mission is to reveal higher truths and practical methods while stripping away dogma.
• Daskalos taught that mastery is about love, wisdom, and strength—and that being a true Christian is identical to being a true Buddhist or any true follower of spiritual truth.

The Inner Structure of the Self (38:07)

• Humans are one being with dual natures—human and divine—which are usually disconnected but can unite through awakening.
• The “self” we seek to realize is not the changing personality (thoughts, feelings, desires) but the unchanging, divine essence within.

  “What’s real doesn’t change. And what changes isn’t ultimately real.” – Daniel (39:00)

• Used a metaphor of sunlight passing through a window to explain the difference between spirit (the source), soul (the individualized ray), and personality (the manifestation shaped by thoughts and actions).

Masters and Frequency (43:24)

• Masters (Christ, Buddha, Daskalos, Yogananda, etc.) have realized their divine nature and ignite or “attune” others to spiritual truth by their mere presence; their teachings vibrate at a higher frequency and can catalyze transformation.

  “Whenever you’re around somebody, it uplifts you...They started firing you, or they enhance the fire that’s already in you.” – Daniel (43:49)

• The dynamic is like resonance between musical notes—when you are attuned to a master or teaching, you vibrate in harmony and realize deeper truths.

Realms, Elementals, and the Afterlife (45:33, 66:04)

• There exist “worlds within worlds,” or planes of existence—material, psychical/astral, and noetical/mental—that interpenetrate our reality at different vibrations.
• Thoughts and desires create "elementals"—subtle thought-forms that can persist, influence behavior, and cross generations as family “elementals.”
• Positive habits and skills, as well as negative patterns like addiction, can be traced to these elemental creations.

  “Thoughts are things. When we create a thought, even if it’s not a strong thought, we are imbuing it with power, energy, purpose, our intent. And it gives it a form.” – Daniel (66:04)

Suffering and Awakening (53:15, 79:44)

• Suffering is a necessary catalyst for awakening—as individuals and as a collective. The level of pain experienced is proportional to attachment to ego and illusions.

  “If you knew what your suffering did for you, you would pray that it never stopped.” – Daniel (quoting a master, 55:26)

• Humanity, like individuals, must often go through collective suffering and chaos in order to break illusions and awaken further.

Enlightenment & Misconceptions (58:20)

• Enlightenment is not a one-time event but a series of awakenings to deeper truths and levels of reality, culminating in the realization of one's divinity.
• Every awakening brings more responsibility, compassion, and opportunity to serve others.

Prisons, Redemption, and the Universality of Spiritual Truth (58:45)

• Daniel’s work in prisons—especially in Mexico—demonstrated the innate spiritual seeking and capacity for transformation in all souls, even those considered lost by society.

  “They come alive. It was like I've never seen such a response...” – Daniel (63:08)

• The pure teachings of Christ and the path to redemption resonate with everyone, regardless of background or circumstance.

Humanity’s Collective Dream and the Path Forward (73:47, 75:01)

• Each person is generating their own “shell” of reality based on thoughts, beliefs, and experiences. Humanity is collectively dreaming reality, and awakening means recognizing and transcending these illusions.
• Awareness and consciousness are evolving—although the world appears chaotic, we are collectively more awakened now than in much of history. The next decade will accelerate this trend as old systems dissolve and new awareness arises.

The Challenge and Hope of Current Chaos (76:04, 80:23)

• Societal chaos, polarization, and crises are the symptoms of an awakening species, mirroring the individual journey through suffering to realization.
• Despite the turmoil, Daniel is optimistic about humanity’s future, seeing ever more people waking up, demanding change, and cultivating love, wisdom, and strength.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the inner quest:
  “What we’re seeking is outside of ourselves. Everybody goes on a guru hunt...but it turns out the seeker is the thought. The thing that you are is what you’re really seeking.” — Daniel (10:44)

• On the simplicity of truth:
  “How hard can it be? Love God and love your fellow human being. How hard can they make it?” — Daniel (18:52)

• On suffering:
  “If you knew what your suffering did for you, you would pray that it never stopped.” — Daniel (55:26)

• On collective awakening:
  “[The chaos] is about to get even more accelerated...people started to wake, and it’s like a snowball…all that kind of stuff. So it’s definitely coming.” — Daniel (76:57, 80:35)

• On the most important message:
  “Wake up.” — Daniel (87:36)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• Daniel’s Beginnings & Mystical Experiences: 03:53–08:08
• Misconceptions About Spiritual Seeking: 10:26–11:39
• East vs. West Mystical Traditions: 13:57–18:13
• Experiential Knowledge & Researchers of Truth: 28:33–33:41
• Who/What is the Self?: 38:07–40:08
• Master’s Presence & Frequency: 43:24–45:24
• Worlds, Elementals, Afterlife: 45:33–47:33, 66:04–71:13
• Suffering & Awakening: 53:15–57:08, 79:44–82:47
• Prison Work & Redemption: 58:45–65:30
• Humanity’s Dream of Reality: 73:47–75:01
• Humanity’s Next Phase: 75:01–83:15
• One Message for Humanity: 87:36

Resources & How to Learn More

• Daniel’s work and programs: researchersoftruth.com
  • Free videos, upcoming courses, seminars, spiritual school grounded in Daskalos’ teachings
  • YouTube: #ResearchersOfTruth
  • Also on Telegram, TikTok, Instagram

Closing Reflection

Throughout the episode, Daniel Joseph Gobin’s message is one of hope, resilience, and practical mysticism. He calls listeners to realize their divine origin, face suffering as a tool for growth, and participate actively in the transformation of humanity as we move into a new era of spiritual awakening.

“Wake up.” — Daniel’s simple but urgent call to all souls (87:36)

Whether facing chaos on a personal or collective scale, this conversation offers both a warning and a way forward: through self-inquiry, experiential truth, balance, and compassionate action, each person can help illuminate humanity’s path to survive—and thrive—through even the most tumultuous times.