NLS 646: MYSTIC WARNING: Why HUMANITY Is in CHAOS — And How We SURVIVE What’s Coming! with Daniel Joseph Gobin

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Next Level Soul Podcast with Alex Ferrari

Episode 646: MYSTIC WARNING: Why HUMANITY Is in CHAOS — And How We SURVIVE What’s Coming!
Guest: Daniel Joseph Gobin
Date: December 9, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this episode, host Alex Ferrari welcomes spiritual teacher and mystic Daniel Joseph Gobin for a thought-provoking conversation about humanity’s current chaotic state, why suffering and awakening are intertwined, and how individuals can connect to deeper truths to survive and thrive through coming changes. Drawing from decades of spiritual study, mystical experiences, and the profound influence of his own teacher Daskalos, Daniel shares practical wisdom, moving stories, and a roadmap for awakening in the midst of upheaval. The conversation spans topics including reincarnation, the unity of world religions, the true nature of self, thought form creation, spiritual traditions, and the accelerating shift in human consciousness.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Daniel’s Early Mystical Experiences

• At age seven, Daniel began hearing his guardian angel and having vivid past life and out-of-body experiences without any framework or support from his family.

  “I heard my guardian angel talk to me. It was just as clear as a bell...and it spoke with the voice of authority...It spoke to me about my past lives, my current life.” – Daniel (03:53)

• Growing up in 1950s Indiana, Daniel’s mystical revelations about reincarnation and energy were seen as odd or concerning by his parents, yet he maintained unwavering inner certainty.
• Early experiences instilled a knowing deeper than intellectual understanding:

  “It was in every part of you and it's just like no one can convince you it's not true because you really experienced it.” – Daniel (07:33)

The Truth of Spiritual Seeking

• Misconceptions: Many believe spiritual truth exists outside themselves, chasing gurus or traditions, but the journey is actually an awakening or self-realization of what’s already within.

  “The seeker is the thought...what you are is what you're really seeking.” – Daniel (10:44)

• Awakening is a process of remembering and realizing the divine self, not developing something new.
• All wisdom traditions ultimately point back to discovering inner truth.

East & West: Spiritual Traditions and Mysticism (13:57)

• Western religions often appear less mystical on the surface, but Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all contain profound mystical traditions, often hidden or overshadowed by institutional dogma.

• Daniel explored Hinduism and Buddhism deeply before realizing Christianity’s original mystical core—specifically through the teachings of his master, Dr. Stylianos Atteshlis (Daskalos), in Cyprus.

• Daskalos’ Contribution: Systematized an ancient oral tradition called “Researchers of Truth,” which focuses on direct experience and self-realization through practical exercises.

  “It’s taken all the 2,000 years of religious prejudice and ignorant dogma and just read the teachings and try to penetrate those, because those are masterfully presented and they really do reveal the process.” – Daniel (15:34)

• Notable Quotes:

  • Yogananda (quoted by Alex): “Christ died, was crucified on the cross in one day, but his teachings have been crucified for 2,000 years.” (18:04)
  • Daskalos (via Daniel): “They crucified Christ. We are crucifying him every day in the way we treat other people because he’s in them and he’s in us.” (18:20)

Experiential Knowledge over Belief (08:08, 28:33)

• Books and theory can guide, but direct, lived mystical experience is what leads to wisdom and transformation.
• Being a “Researcher of Truth” is about living and practicing spiritual principles, not just believing or reading.

The Researchers of Truth & Daskalos’ Legacy (25:51)

• Daniel’s meeting with Daskalos (after 20 years of seeking) brought him into contact with a living master who was humble, loving, and deeply wise—but not interested in guru worship.
• “Researchers of Truth” is an ancient tradition, now systematized, with roots in early Christianity, the Rosicrucians, and other esoteric groups. Its mission is to reveal higher truths and practical methods while stripping away dogma.
• Daskalos taught that mastery is about love, wisdom, and strength—and that being a true Christian is identical to being a true Buddhist or any true follower of spiritual truth.

The Inner Structure of the Self (38:07)

• Humans are one being with dual natures—human and divine—which are usually disconnected but can unite through awakening.
• The “self” we seek to realize is not the changing personality (thoughts, feelings, desires) but the unchanging, divine essence within.

  “What’s real doesn’t change. And what changes isn’t ultimately real.” – Daniel (39:00)

• Used a metaphor of sunlight passing through a window to explain the difference between spirit (the source), soul (the individualized ray), and personality (the manifestation shaped by thoughts and actions).

Masters and Frequency (43:24)

• Masters (Christ, Buddha, Daskalos, Yogananda, etc.) have realized their divine nature and ignite or “attune” others to spiritual truth by their mere presence; their teachings vibrate at a higher frequency and can catalyze transformation.

  “Whenever you’re around somebody, it uplifts you...They started firing you, or they enhance the fire that’s already in you.” – Daniel (43:49)

• The dynamic is like resonance between musical notes—when you are attuned to a master or teaching, you vibrate in harmony and realize deeper truths.

Realms, Elementals, and the Afterlife (45:33, 66:04)

• There exist “worlds within worlds,” or planes of existence—material, psychical/astral, and noetical/mental—that interpenetrate our reality at different vibrations.
• Thoughts and desires create "elementals"—subtle thought-forms that can persist, influence behavior, and cross generations as family “elementals.”
• Positive habits and skills, as well as negative patterns like addiction, can be traced to these elemental creations.

  “Thoughts are things. When we create a thought, even if it’s not a strong thought, we are imbuing it with power, energy, purpose, our intent. And it gives it a form.” – Daniel (66:04)

Suffering and Awakening (53:15, 79:44)

• Suffering is a necessary catalyst for awakening—as individuals and as a collective. The level of pain experienced is proportional to attachment to ego and illusions.

  “If you knew what your suffering did for you, you would pray that it never stopped.” – Daniel (quoting a master, 55:26)

• Humanity, like individuals, must often go through collective suffering and chaos in order to break illusions and awaken further.

Enlightenment & Misconceptions (58:20)

• Enlightenment is not a one-time event but a series of awakenings to deeper truths and levels of reality, culminating in the realization of one's divinity.
• Every awakening brings more responsibility, compassion, and opportunity to serve others.

Prisons, Redemption, and the Universality of Spiritual Truth (58:45)

• Daniel’s work in prisons—especially in Mexico—demonstrated the innate spiritual seeking and capacity for transformation in all souls, even those considered lost by society.

  “They come alive. It was like I've never seen such a response...” – Daniel (63:08)

• The pure teachings of Christ and the path to redemption resonate with everyone, regardless of background or circumstance.

Humanity’s Collective Dream and the Path Forward (73:47, 75:01)

• Each person is generating their own “shell” of reality based on thoughts, beliefs, and experiences. Humanity is collectively dreaming reality, and awakening means recognizing and transcending these illusions.
• Awareness and consciousness are evolving—although the world appears chaotic, we are collectively more awakened now than in much of history. The next decade will accelerate this trend as old systems dissolve and new awareness arises.

The Challenge and Hope of Current Chaos (76:04, 80:23)

• Societal chaos, polarization, and crises are the symptoms of an awakening species, mirroring the individual journey through suffering to realization.
• Despite the turmoil, Daniel is optimistic about humanity’s future, seeing ever more people waking up, demanding change, and cultivating love, wisdom, and strength.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the inner quest:
  “What we’re seeking is outside of ourselves. Everybody goes on a guru hunt...but it turns out the seeker is the thought. The thing that you are is what you’re really seeking.” — Daniel (10:44)

• On the simplicity of truth:
  “How hard can it be? Love God and love your fellow human being. How hard can they make it?” — Daniel (18:52)

• On suffering:
  “If you knew what your suffering did for you, you would pray that it never stopped.” — Daniel (55:26)

• On collective awakening:
  “[The chaos] is about to get even more accelerated...people started to wake, and it’s like a snowball…all that kind of stuff. So it’s definitely coming.” — Daniel (76:57, 80:35)

• On the most important message:
  “Wake up.” — Daniel (87:36)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Daniel’s Beginnings & Mystical Experiences: 03:53–08:08
• Misconceptions About Spiritual Seeking: 10:26–11:39
• East vs. West Mystical Traditions: 13:57–18:13
• Experiential Knowledge & Researchers of Truth: 28:33–33:41
• Who/What is the Self?: 38:07–40:08
• Master’s Presence & Frequency: 43:24–45:24
• Worlds, Elementals, Afterlife: 45:33–47:33, 66:04–71:13
• Suffering & Awakening: 53:15–57:08, 79:44–82:47
• Prison Work & Redemption: 58:45–65:30
• Humanity’s Dream of Reality: 73:47–75:01
• Humanity’s Next Phase: 75:01–83:15
• One Message for Humanity: 87:36

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Resources & How to Learn More

• Daniel’s work and programs: researchersoftruth.com
  • Free videos, upcoming courses, seminars, spiritual school grounded in Daskalos’ teachings
  • YouTube: #ResearchersOfTruth
  • Also on Telegram, TikTok, Instagram

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Closing Reflection

Throughout the episode, Daniel Joseph Gobin’s message is one of hope, resilience, and practical mysticism. He calls listeners to realize their divine origin, face suffering as a tool for growth, and participate actively in the transformation of humanity as we move into a new era of spiritual awakening.

“Wake up.” — Daniel’s simple but urgent call to all souls (87:36)

Whether facing chaos on a personal or collective scale, this conversation offers both a warning and a way forward: through self-inquiry, experiential truth, balance, and compassionate action, each person can help illuminate humanity’s path to survive—and thrive—through even the most tumultuous times.

Transcript

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I'd like to welcome to the show Daniel Joseph Gobin. How you doing, Daniel?

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Very good. Thanks for having me on.

[Alex Ferrari]

Thank you so much for coming on, my friend. I'm looking forward to our conversation. You have walked a very similar path to the one I'm walking in, in the sense of being able to try to discover what spirituality, what the nature of the universe is for yourself by investigating everything and everybody and figuring out what makes sense for you. And that's kind of what we do here at the show. We go down every single path, every kind of tradition, and. And try to find the core ideas that connect us all. So. So my first question to you, Daniel, is you begun having profound spiritual experiences at around 7. Can you talk a little bit about that when you first started being awakened? Because at seven I was watching Saturday morning cartoons, so I wasn't being awakened at the time. I was watching the Smurfs and Thundercats. So.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Yeah, well, I. It just seemed just a natural thing started happening at the age of seven, which is a very important period in life, because until you're seven, you're just kind of in this dream world. And after seven, you start to discover yourself to some degree. But I was just cutting grass and I heard my guardian angel talk to me. It was just as clear as a bell. And it spoke with the voice of authority, like I'd always heard it. So I immediately believed. And it spoke to me about my past lives, my current life. I came out, I had out of body experiences, but I had no idea what was happening because I had no framework to do it, understand it. My parents knew nothing about any of this. So if I tell them about it, they were a little freaked out, you know. You know, I. I first, you know, told him I could see the etheric vitality, and they wanted me to have my eyes examined. And then I told them about next time in reincarnation, I want to be this and this, and they want to have my head examined then, you know, because they just didn't understand it. They didn't talk like that. They didn't know anybody to talk like that about reincarnation. And they're looking at me like, what? What's he talking about? How does he know this? So just went on and on from there.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's pretty fascinating. So you're. So you were born not only in a time period, but. Because if. If I'm. Was this the 60s, 70s, I was born in 1950. 1950. Okay, so if you were born in 1950, then you were in the mid late 50s, essentially, when this was happening.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

57. 50.

[Alex Ferrari]

So you might as well had three heads.

If you start talking about reincarnation. And where were you in the country at the time?

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Indiana. So, yeah, yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

So five heads. Five heads. Essentially, you could have Been talking about reincarnation back then is such as. That's very fascinating because the idea and the concept would have not been in your purview. There was no Internet, there was no, there's no Hindu shows that you were watching on television in the 50s. So this concept just came out of literally the ethereal divine essentially gave you this information which is what you're saying?

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Yeah, it's. Well, it's in us. You know, all these past lives are in us. So, so we, we know it but we don't know at the personality level because we're disconnected from the soul which is a record keeper of all that. But sometimes it comes through to us. Right. So you know, I had past life experiences when I was eight years old. So.

[Alex Ferrari]

So you, you were seeing your past lives when you were eight.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

It wasn't so much seeing it, we've sort of seen it, but something would trigger it and I would just go into this thing and it's like what I. They were talking about. I knew very well and you know you'd see later on you go to a certain place and you would have a familiarity with it. But this, this first one just. It proved out all through my life and death close confirmed it. So.

You just have to, you know, anything you feel real resident with person, place or thing. There's some message in that.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, let me ask you though, it's a seven year old in the 50s, no less. This information is so far out there. How did you even process it? I mean it sounds like almost like you had a knowing about it and it was just kind of like a matter of fact about it. But, but when you start seeing your parents and people around you start reacting differently. How did you deal with that?

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Psychological.

[Alex Ferrari]

So I got to imagine when your parents are going, oh this kid is weird, let's get him tested. Multiple ways I got to believe that does, does something to you.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Actually it didn't to me. I, I just knew they didn't know that I knew. Wow.

[Alex Ferrari]

So you just stuck to your understanding.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

And you know, it was, it was in like in every cell of you when you have a real deep one like that, it's in every part of you and it's just like no one can convince you it's not true because you really experienced it. It's experiential knowledge is what it is.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right. Which is what a lot of the masters speak about. They're like if you books are great as far as leading you towards directions and things like that, but experiential is the greatest knowledge that you can have because you have actually first hand experience with it. So as you're growing up, how are you continuously having mystical experiences? Are you seeing here and there?

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

It's not like every day but here and there and do it. And I started to be able to use the etheric energy of the material body. And you know, when I was in high school or yeah, high school and I could enhance it, I started to learn how to work with. I still hadn't read anything about it and it wasn't until college I started to read something about it junior year in college about, you know, other thoughts, you know, and slowly that led me into Hinduism and that really interests me. And so I just, you know, studied around Hinduism and when I got to my 20s, I took off and really started to really like what's it? What is this stuff I'm experiencing? What does this really mean? And I go around to people and say, you know, do you know, you know, I'd go to the guru's mess, do you know? And finally I met somebody that knew and he could explain it all and in such a way that it not only did it resonate in you, but he also taught you how to experience it for yourself. And so that's, you know, knowledge is theoretical, knowledge is one thing, experiential knowledge is another. And that leads to wisdom. Those two lead to us before we.

[Alex Ferrari]

Get to, to your teacher because I definitely want to do a deep dive in him after spending like 20 years, you know, walking the earth like Cain and kung fu.

And, and you know, studying both eastern and western paths. Which is the biggest misconception about looking for spiritual, like spiritual seeking. Because a lot of people, like I just made a quick little joke about like your cane and kung fu walking from town to town with a backpack on and, and you know, just looking for a new master, a new guru to talk to. What are these misconceptions about spiritual seeking? Because so many people are waking up now at this time in history and are starting their, their search for these ideas very much like you did. You were a pioneer in many ways by doing this because in your time this just doesn't, this was in the west, wasn't happening. Obviously you didn't run into, yeah, you didn't run into anybody like Bob, oh, where have you been?

So what are those misconceptions you think?

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

First one is probably the biggest one, is that what we're seeking is outside of ourselves. Everybody goes on a guru hunt. I did you read it something in a book. And you keep thinking, if I'm going to get there, I'm going to find this thing in it. But it's. It turns out the seeker is the thought.

You know what I'm saying? The thing that you are is what you're really seeking. And the other side of it is that thing in you, that higher self, if you want to call it that, is seeking you. So it's really a very nice match once you realize that. And the other one is, I feel very strongly about, is that we get this concept we're spiritually developing. And that's just not true. I mean, it feels that way to the personality, but really what it is is an awakening. You mentioned the awakening. It's a realization. That's why I call it self realization. You're not realizing the personality self, you're realizing the inner self, this higher self. And it's not like we have two cells. We were one cells, but we have two. You know, like we're dual in one. We have a human nature and a divine nature. And those things, you know, for most people, they don't connect. But when you start seeking consciously, you bring those two together closer and closer, and then they touch.

[Alex Ferrari]

Very interesting. So out of all of the, you know, when you started studying the east and the West.

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What are the mystical traditions that connect the two? Because everyone always looks at them very separately. But there is mysticism in Judaism, there is mysticism in Christianity. There's definitely mysticism in, in being a Muslim and Islam. But in the west, in the east, it leans a lot more into the mystic with the yogis and Hinduism and Buddhism and the Tibetans and all that kind of stuff. So it leans, it starts off more mystic than the west does, but there is a lot of, I mean, Christianity was a mystical religion prior to Rome getting its hands on it.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Absolutely. Before they hijacked it.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, absolutely. So what are the connections? And you think, do you think?

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Well, it's, it's basically the same thing. We're looking for something, we're seeking something, you know, and at first you, you seek the truth and then when you find it, what do you do? We have to really deep dive into. You have to start researching the truth. That's why we call ourselves researchers of truth, because we found some thread of truth and now we really want to go into it. But yeah, it's in all of them. You know, Judaism, like you say, I avoided Christianity because it had been so poorly expressed. I thought these guys didn't know anything. And so I went to India. I went to Hindu Shamas and Buddhist monasteries and, you know, I would learn and they were good, but they didn't take me as far as I wanted to go. I really wanted to know why, you know, what is all this and who am I? Am I and what am I? Because those are two different things. And so it wasn't until I met Dr. Stelianos a Teslas that he showed us these out of body experiences. These mystical experiences were in the New Testament. We just hadn't, you know, quite understood it because of the poor examples that certain ignorant Priests have been doing to Christianity. So what you have to do, what this is what the researchers of truth is. One aspect of it is it's taken all the 2000 years of religious prejudice and ignorant dogma that's been heaped on it and just read the teachings and try to penetrate those, because those are masterfully presented and they really do reveal the process.

[Alex Ferrari]

And that's the thing I discovered as well on my path as. As I was raised a Catholic and was disillusioned with a dogma and the division of it even at a young age. And I started seeking myself and very much like you, I started to lean more towards the east and started to reject Christianity because again, it was presented in such a. Such a way that it was, you know, I still feel guilty.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Catholicism, right?

[Alex Ferrari]

It's a Catholicism. You're going to feel guilty. That's the thing. So then I started leaning more towards the east, but after going through the East, I started to go towards. Back towards Christianity. And now it's been kind of my mission in this life and in this show to not only talk about Christianity in, In a beautiful way, but also to talk about the truth of it, the truth of Jesus's teachings. I mean, I, I stood in front of the Vatican when I was in Italy and I literally had the epiphany going. This has nothing to do with Christ.

Nothing to do with, like, this is all pomp and circumstance. It's all about man's ego and power and control. It has nothing to do with Christ and his teachings and these beautifully masterful, simple, very simple teachings. Do you find that the most profound teachings in all of your journeys are the simplest?

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

It's true. It's. It's. And, and Dashboards was one to do this. Obviously, Christ did it. A lot of masters can do this. They put the thing so simply. But it's just like, bam. It really just drives it home to you. And people talk too many words, you lose the power.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right? I think one of my favorite quotes is by Yogananda, which was, Christ died, was crucified on the cross in one day, but his teachings have been crucified for 2,000 years.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

I hadn't heard that.

[Alex Ferrari]

Isn't that, isn't that a beautiful. It's just one of my favorite quotes of his. It's. It's beautiful. So let's, let's dive in a little bit about the way.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Jump in on top of that one.

[Alex Ferrari]

Please, please, please. Go for it.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Daskalos used to say this. It's very similar. He said.

We cruise. They crucified Christ. We are crucifying him every day in the way we treat other people because he's in them and he's in us. So how we treat other people is one of the most reflective facts of how advanced you are spiritually.

[Alex Ferrari]

Which could say, so you mean, so I can't, I can't go to war and kill you in the name of Christ. That's not, that's not the first way. Is that what you're saying?

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

That's basically, I know it's earth shaking, but.

[Alex Ferrari]

So no Crusades is what you're saying? No crusades. No Crusades whatsoever.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

No, just, you know, how hard can it be? Love God and love your fellow human being. How hard can they make it? Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Treat others as you would like to be treated. I mean that is as simple and profound as you get. You know, the kingdom of heaven is within you. Everything I can do, you can do. And more like these are such basic, simple teachings, but so profound and so powerful. And I, I got to imagine, you know, when Christ and Buddha and, and a lot of the, the masters of, of those years was walking around, it would, it was similar to you. It looked like they were talking like they had five heads. Because at a time, sure.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

They didn't get it. Didn't get.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. The consciousness of humanity wasn't really ready for them. They are the ones that kind of pushed us and nudged us up and up and more awake and more awake over the centuries. But I gotta imagine it's so difficult at the time, speaking about these kind of things.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Try to imagine Christ when he's trying to help the people understand what the kingdom of heaven is. He says the kingdom of heaven is like a woman who makes three measures of flour together with yeast.

What did they think he was teaching bakers how to cook? Well, I mean, baked bread, you know, there's a real meaning in that. We are, we have a trinity in us, just like the Godhead has a trinity. And our trinity is spirit, soul and personality. And so, and with, even within the personality there's a trinity, the mental body. It's as the Hindus call it, the emotional body in the physical body. And when those are balanced, you feel like you're in heaven. But most people have got too much head thing going on or they're over emotional or maybe over physical. But when you balance all three of them, you're, you know, you're, you're aligned and you feel that heaven.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's. Yeah, that's really fascinating because when you start you Know, I was fascinated growing up with like Arnold Schwarzenegger. I grew up in the 80s and, you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sly Stallone and they're all these just musclebound guys. But as you see them as they're getting older, especially Arnold specifically, he's become a lot softer and he started to figure out, oh, I must give more, I must be of service more, I must help more. And I'm not sure if it's age that's doing that to him, but most of his career was all about the body. The body, the body, the body, the body. But when the body goes, which happens to all of us.

All of us at one point, you're not going to look like you're 30 anymore, you know?

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And he was essentially the, the picture of perfection of the human body. I mean, he was literally known to have the perfect body. And he's had that conversation so many times in public, he's talks about, he's like, when I look in the body in the mirror now, I look and I'm like, oh my God, look what's happened to me. He goes, but most people have never been in shape, so they have no reference.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

True.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know, when another 78 year old looks in the body like, oh, I'm in out of shape, he goes, but you've never been in shape, so you really don't know the difference. I know what it's like to have a perfect body for many, many, many years.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

But it's amazing how the, how he started to. When the body goes in, the physical body starting to go, that's when you start getting either mental or you start getting spiritual or you start balancing. It starts to balance more. Which is what I'm making. The point of what you're trying to say is the balancing of the three. You do feel like you're in awe because you never see a jacked up.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Yogi.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know, generally speaking.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Yeah. There was that yogi I saw in New York one time who, I forget his name, but he could lift £6,000 and they had this whole apparatus and he'd come under it with his feet. He was trying to, trying to prove his strength.

[Alex Ferrari]

And I'm not. And I could have, I could have a debate about how yogi esque that is, or not, how much he's leaning towards the ego. Have you ever heard this, this parable of two yogis are at the edge of a river and one turns to the other one and goes, hey, I can, I can watch this. And he levitates across the river and he lands on the other side. And the other yogi just walks about 20ft, goes on the bridge and walks across, too. And he, and he, and he goes.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

What did you think?

[Alex Ferrari]

He goes, I think that's a waste of 30 years. I could have just used the bridge.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Yeah, exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

One leaning towards ego, one leaning towards the path. Very, very fascinating. So let's talk about your teacher, the whale teachings and.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Greek word means teacher.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Podcast Host]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

That's pretty awesome. Why do you guys think you win so many cases?

[Dan Morgan]

The insurance companies and other companies that we go against know that we're going to take it to the end that we believe in the case. So we fight for every dollar and we're not afraid to go that extra mile for our clients.

[Podcast Host]

Are insurance companies, like actually afraid of you guys?

[Dan Morgan]

We don't bluff. We take it to trial. And we are not strangers of getting very, very, very large verdicts.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.

[Alex Ferrari]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

Dan Morgan from Morgan & Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the.

[Dan Morgan]

Show. Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near.

[Alex Ferrari]

You.

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So tell me about when did you meet him? What is this profound teacher? Like? You obviously were searching. You didn't just walk among them on a Starbucks somewhere. So how did you find him? And what was the feeling when you did find.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Him? Well, I've been around the world, like I said, seeking for 20 years. And at that point I had this brother.

Seeker. We used to go places together. And he called me one day and said, hey, you want to meet a master? I said, sure, why not? He had just heard about Daskalos, and at that time there were no real books here or nothing was out about him. So we will went. First of all, he told me that it had been invaded. Nicosia, Cyprus, the city of Cordaskos. What had been invaded by the Turks, right. And so there was still green line, people were getting shot, there were car bombs and stuff. And when I heard that part, I didn't want to go. So he said, I'm going to go looking for some tickets. And I. While he looked for tickets, I looked for an excuse to get out. So when he called back, I said, I can't really go, I don't have the money. He goes, I've already bought the ticket. You're coming. And it was like, without any effort, I just showed up on his doorstep. And when the first class. I remember when he started talking about all this stuff, you know, I thought I knew something after 20 years of searching. But what he knew was you didn't know anything. But he. You could tell he did. And that was the guy I've been looking for somebody that really could explain all these different levels, all these different, you know, realities. There are many, many.

[Alex Ferrari]

Realities. So what was it about? You know, I've been in the room with a master or two in my day, a walking master. And the energy that they. They give is something very special. It's visceral, especially for those who are empathic and especially those who can kind of feel that kind of energy. What was it about him, other than his words? Did you feel a presence? Did you. Because you hear these stories of yogis who. Their presence and their. And these masters who. Their presence. You know, you become a bliss or intoxicated and, you know, that's an extreme, obviously, but what did you really feel other than the information you were.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Hearing? Well, he didn't look much different than an old grandpa. And he didn't do. He didn't do that. In fact, he. He avoided that guru higher than you kind of thing. And he just was humble. He sat in a chair on the same level with everybod everybody else. And he talked and he. Humility was one of them in this, super wisdom was another. But the most important one was this love I felt with him. And he eventually reveals about how we had been together in past lives. And, you know, this is just a carry on what we had known together.

[Alex Ferrari]

Before. So he spoke a lot about the researchers of truth. What does that truly mean, being a researcher of truth rather than a believer or someone who has.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Faith? Well, it means you. You don't, you know, believers. Okay. I believe in that thing way out there. But a researcher lives, tries to live it and make it part of their daily life. That's the big difference. And you keep going deeper and deeper. And so he gave the tools of how to do it. He created. The researchers have been around for over 2,000 years, but it's only been an oral tradition until Daskalos. And he says it's time to reveal more and put it out there. And I think it has a lot to do with the world we're in right now that we really need this. It was just profoundness about being with him and the love and how he could make you laugh so hard your jaws would ache. He was just. He was everything to me. He was a friend, a teacher, guru. Not a guru, but a master.

Like, he was like a father sometimes to you. He was like a mother, tender. When you do a healing and something on you, he'd be. He'd come like a mother. Okay. It's just like he was everything. He had. He had the vibration of.

[Alex Ferrari]

Everything. What kind of lineage, or was there a lineage you were talking about that this has been passed on for orally? What's the lineage of that? What is the. Is there a name for.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

It? Well, it was called by other names in the past, but it's now called Researchers of Truth. And even though it was an oral tradition, some of it's shown up in other systems, like the Rosicrucians, the Cathers, you see bits of it, but he was the only one to systematize it. So it goes on.

Oral tradition, just in small groups for all these years. And each researcher, if he could, would take it farther and learn something else and add it to it. So it's been this body of accumulating knowledge. And so it's, you know, you ask the questions and what you're looking for, whether it's in material plane or the spiritual world. But the first guy that did was. You don't ever hear this was Melchior. The guy called Melchior in the Bible. He started it. And he started it. He also came back around Christ later, and that greatly influenced him. And he started the circles and took it back to his.

[Alex Ferrari]

Country. And this has been. Is. And this has been origin in Greece this entire time. Has it been.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Staying? No, this. This guy was a. Was a Hindu. He was a Hindu king that. One of the three wise men that came to see Christ. Okay, so he was a Hindu king. Another guy was from what's now Armenian, and the other guy was a Bedouin. So there were three different kings. And I, they did it too. But he. He really did it. And he gave his whole kingdom away just to do this. And the interesting thing was, and most people don't know this, that in the Buddhist scriptures and they were an oral tradition too, for 500 years.

Buddha's closest disciple and attendant Ananda asked him one day, are you God? And he says, no, but in 500 years, God Himself will incarnate. Well, that was 500 years B.C. so this Indian king knew about this prophecy. So he was working on astrology and intuition, and he worked out the time, you know, intuitively. He got the time Christ was born, he left his entire kingdom, came across, picked up the other two kings, and all want to go to see the Christmas. So that's how it.

[Alex Ferrari]

Starts. So is. Is Ducklos's teaching very connected to.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Christianity? Yeah, but it's not the Christianity.

[Alex Ferrari]

That, that you and I. Yeah.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Right. Yeah, it's, it's. He called it inner Christianity. But, you know, to be a good Christian is the same thing to be a good Buddhist or to be a good Muslim. You know, it's exactly the same thing. Means to be a good human being, first of all. And what's a good human beings? Which means you get. As you develop, you're developing more love, more wisdom and more strength. That's all it is. So any religion practitioner does that. They're a Christian, they're Buddhists. People would come to Daskalos and he would answer their questions in the tradition they were from, and they would say, well, are you a. Are you a Jew? Yeah, I'm Jewish. And they say, are you a Buddhist? Yes, I'm Buddhist. He would say yes to everyone because he considered it all the same thing. The only difference is, you know, we're all studying this truth, and you have the absolute truth, which no master on earth, no man in the highest heaven has, only that's God, the absolute truth. So everybody else, every other religion, every other person is someplace between ignorance and knowing the absolute truth. So the thing we want to do when we pick something to follow. I have this. The way I feel is we want to pick something that's covered more distance because some of them haven't covered very far. Some of them have covered really far. So we want to pick one that resonates with us, of course, but also has covered a lot of distance toward the absolute truth. And the absolute truth is the relative. So we're climbing this, like, ladder of relative truth toward the absolute truth. And the relative truth is only so much of the absolute truth. But it's all like a one thing. It's just different degrees of.

[Alex Ferrari]

Expression. It's a spectrum, if you.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Will.

[Alex Ferrari]

Exactly. You're going on different. Different levels of it. So this. Okay, I. I kind of. I'm kind of wrapping my head around it a little bit because it's. I mean, I've been saying the same thing because I have a lot of people sometimes who ask me, like, you know, if they're really Christian or if they're Jewish or if they're, you know, whatever religion or dogmatic religion they're at. They. What I find fascinating is that they have to believe that theirs is the only way, because that's the programming in their own mind. They're like, if. If I'm. If my path to God is not the only way in your. Well, then that just. That negates my path, which is not true at all. But they believe that, hence wars and all the other stuff that that.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Goes. And they've been programmed to believe it. You know, it's sort of like job security for the priests to say all those things are wrong. Come with.

[Alex Ferrari]

Us. We can't. We can't have. We can't have talks of reincarnation in the Bible. That's going to throw. Throw things out of.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Whack. We can't have.

[Alex Ferrari]

That.

So let's talk about the. The teachings of the whale that he talks about. What is. What is the metaphor of the.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Whale? My experience of meeting him was like being in this ocean and nothing's going on, and all of a sudden it's giant whale shows up next to you. And as he moves, like, the currents he creates sort of take you with him. So that's why I chose that.

[Alex Ferrari]

Metaphor. Is that your. Is that your.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Metaphor?

[Alex Ferrari]

Sure. The teaching of the whale. So. So he was this giant whale and you kind of just rode his. His.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Wave.

Yeah. He wouldn't let you ride him, but he, you know, the currents just automatically drew you along. If you were interested in the.

[Alex Ferrari]

Subject Anyway, so then how can someone living in today's chaos and noise connect with that same oceanic consciousness, if you will, of swimming with the whale, as you put.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

It? Well, I think you have to really take a look at this guy and study what he presented and what he brought forth. And like I said, he took that oral tradition and systematized it. So now you have not only the teachings, but the practices. The teachings kind of chart the path for you, but it's the practices you do that moves you along that path. So there's many, many.

[Alex Ferrari]

Practices.

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I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey. How's it going.

[Podcast Host]

Today? It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you.

[Dan Morgan]

Do. I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law.

[Podcast Host]

Firm. That's pretty awesome. Why do you guys think you win so many.

[Dan Morgan]

Cases? The insurance companies and other companies that we go against know that we're going to take it to the end that we believe in the case. So we fight for every dollar. And we're not afraid to go that extra mile for our.

[Podcast Host]

Clients. Are insurance companies, like actually afraid of you.

[Dan Morgan]

Guys? We don't bluff. We take it to trial. And we are not strangers of getting very, very, very large.

[Podcast Host]

Verdicts. Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an.

[Dan Morgan]

Accident? Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. Our call center is always waiting for to take your call.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

247365.

[Podcast Host]

Wow. Dan Morgan from Morgan & Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by.

[Dan Morgan]

The show. Thanks for having me. Visit forththepeope.com for an office.

[Alex Ferrari]

Near you.

And now back to the show.

You were speaking about self realization.

What is the self that we are realizing is. You know, that's, that's a very deep question there. It is the question that is the question. What is the self that we.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Are realizing? Well, most people think it's the personality self, but the personality self is constantly changing. You know, you're not the same person you were 10 years ago or be 20 years ago. So this personality, what's the personality made of? It's the sum total of our thoughts, feelings, desires, intentions and action. And those change. So that can't be us because the real. What's real doesn't change. And what changes isn't ultimately real. So it goes away. You know, your body, you don't have the same body of that little newborn that was crawled across the floor. Where did that body go? It's gone. Every cell gets renewed every seven within seven years. So obviously not our body. You know, it's constantly changing. So but you've got to start there because right now the, the inner self is not two cells, it's one cells, but in two natures. They're kind of mixed together because we all every once in a while have a feeling of something really high and noble or feel like we're something bigger than this personality with nothing but strengths and weaknesses. So you have to start there and analyze that's. We use the term self introspection, which is one of the most powerful things to be able to separate those two. And then you start to recognize, well, that's my inner self, or, oh, that's my outer self with full of egotism to doing it. So when you start to separate that, then you, you're, you put your foot on, on really, you're coming close to starting to realize the self. And it happens in many different levels. But I won't go into all that right now. But there's, there's three different levels. The inner self, we call it, and then the soul self, which is like the pure soul. And then the spirit and those. It's a very long journey to get to.

[Alex Ferrari]

The spirit. So what is the difference between the spirit and.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

The soul? It's a matter of definition, really. Imagine this sun and it's casting out rays of light. And the light comes to an archetypal idea we call the human idea. And when that light comes to that, it's like light coming to a window. And that light comes through the window and assumes the shape of that window. No difference between the light on the outside and the light on the inside. But if the square at this window, square, it's, it has a square shape. So it's kind of a definition. And it's not created, it's just formed. It's hard to describe, obviously, at that level, but it forms the spirit into.

Through the human idea archetype. And an archetype is like a mold in which many things are made. So there's one human archetype, but many, many human beings. But then what happens is every human being has different thoughts, different feelings, different desires. That's why there's no two personalities the same on Earth. Even in identical twins, they are not the same personality because they're using the mind differently and creating their thoughts and emotions.

[Alex Ferrari]

And desires. It's a beautiful metaphor of the sunlight hitting the window because essentially we're, we're all windows. It's just how the window is designed. And what, because the sun is all the same. In other words, the, the, the sun. Let's, let's call, we're going to get into the metaphor, deep into the metaphors here. The sun is either God or the higher self or the oversoul or whatever you. What name you want to give it. And then the rays coming through is the, or the spirit. And the rays coming through is the soul. But the actual manifestation in the physical form is the window that the rays kind of have to go through to form the.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Sun almost.

The window is the, the archetypal idea of human beings. And it creates the form of the light, of the spirit. Let's go to light. So the sun. So sun has the light, it comes through the window. It's the same light. It's just taken on a formation now. But when the sun hits the floor now, well, that's the personality. And what happens if this personality is dark and heavy? It's not going to reflect much light. If this person, ally the floor is white, it's going to reflect a lot of light. These high masters, they're like a crystal clear mirror. That's the difference.

[Alex Ferrari]

In personalities. So let's talk about the masters. What do the masters do? Because I'm, I'm fascinated with the Ascended Masters, the ideas of the Ascended Masters and all of the, you know, Jesus, Buddha, Yogananda and then Saint Germain and so on that. These masters who walked, what are, what is happening to these masters, even, you know, living ones or recent ones, like, like your teacher or Yogananda is another recent master that walked the Earth. What is it about their energy, their Vibration, their frequency that is helping awaken so many souls around them. By their message or by themselves just being in the room.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

With them. Well, they're. They're the ones who have touched on the truth that they're a child of God, too, right? So they are on fire. So when you get close to those guys, they catch you on fire, they started firing you, or they enhance the fire that's already in you. That's what I feel about it. Whenever you're around somebody, they just, you know, it uplifts you. They say, right, well, what if.

[Alex Ferrari]

It was. So they're lighter fluid.

It's like a form of. The form of something to either start the fire or enhance the fire that's already inside of you and essentially awaken you more. But on a. And I hate to use the word technical, but on a technical level, it's. We're all frequency. We're all vibration. That's the nature of the universe is frequency.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

And.

[Alex Ferrari]

Vibration. So. But their frequency is at a higher pitch than most walking the planet. So by either being in their presence, if you're lucky enough to be in their presence, or by hearing their voice or even the vibrations of their teachings in a book that holds vibration as well. I mean, anyone who's ever picked up Autobiography of a Yogi and reads it for the first time, it's like. It's like you're getting slammed in the face. So much so that when I first read it, I put it away. I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I can't. I'm not ready. I'm not ready yet. It took me till my 30s before I can actually read it. So is that. Does that make sense.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

To you? Yeah, but see, now you're talking about.

Something very important called attunement. So when you start to listen to him, you start to feel attunement. So what's attunement? Well, if you take a piano and a harp and put it next to each other in a room and they're both attuned, and you strike the note, one note on that piano, that same note on the harp will resonate because there's a vibration coming off from it to the other one. That's like a master and a personality, some.

[Alex Ferrari]

Other seeker. And they're both different. The harp sounds different than the piano, but the note is.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

The same. Yeah, the vibration is.

[Alex Ferrari]

The same. Interesting, interesting. Now, you were also talking about worlds and realms and things like that. There's a term you've spoken about, the.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Psycho. Psychonetic. Psychoanalytics, we call it this. It's really one thing, but it has two different states and you move through it. When it's. People call it the heaven world. You know, Christ said there were seven heavens. Well, where are they? Well, earth is the first, the psychical is the second. And Hindus call it astral, same thing the Hindus call what they call the mental, we call noetical because noetical nose is from the Greek and it mind. And then they have the higher causal. So it's. It's the same exact story. And what are colardos? Right, so these are.

[Alex Ferrari]

Different realms. Yeah. So what are these realms and how do you can you travel.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

To them? Well, again, it's by attunement and picking up the vibration. Eventually it's by at 1. But.

People think of where are they? Well, they're right here. They're right exactly where you are and they've been just a higher vibration and it's like the same. We'll go back to some vibrations experience. If you play seven notes on a scale, on an octave on the piano, and then you jump to the higher scale above it, it's the same notes, it's just vibrating a higher frequency. So these three worlds of existence are right here vibrating at a higher level. And some people clairvoyance, can kind of see through that veil between the two worlds, but because it's at a different rate. I mean, you're moving your hand through a psychical world, but nothing's obstructing you. Likewise, if you were in your psychical body, you could move your hand through.

Material things. I've had that experience where I've walked through material walls because I was in my higher body. I wasn't in a.

[Alex Ferrari]

Material body.

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[Dan Morgan]

Hi, Dan. Hey, how's it.

[Podcast Host]

Going today? It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what.

[Dan Morgan]

You do. I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury.

[Podcast Host]

Law firm. That's pretty awesome. Why do you guys think you win so.

[Dan Morgan]

Many cases? The insurance companies and other companies that we go against know that we're going to take it to the end that we believe in the case. So we fight for every dollar and we're not afraid to go that extra mile for.

[Podcast Host]

Our clients. Are insurance companies like actually afraid of.

[Dan Morgan]

You guys? We don't bluff. We take it to trial. And we are not strangers of getting very, very, very.

[Alex Ferrari]

Large.

[Podcast Host]

Verdicts. Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into.

[Dan Morgan]

An accident? Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. And our call center is always waiting to take your call.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

247.

[Podcast Host]

365. Wow. Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by.

[Dan Morgan]

The show. Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office.

[Alex Ferrari]

Near you.

And now back to.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

The show.

And once you, once you start to have that experience, you start to realize, well, none of this is as real as we thought.

[Alex Ferrari]

It was. So, so then, okay, I'm trying to wrap my head this, I love these kind of conversations because it starts making me really, it's when my head starts to hurt. This is a good thing. This is a good thing. So what is the difference then? Because from my, I've had experiences where I've sat down and I've done astral travel. I've done, I've not out of body experiences yet. I haven't gotten to that place yet. But I've done astral travel within my own meditations. Things that have happened to me in my meditations where visions and other information comes in that there's just no way I made it up. Just, just no way I made it up. But where I find a problem, where I find a challenge and I think this is where most people find challenges with this kind of topic is that you don't know what you're imagining versus what's coming through. So I've been guided to my spirit council and walk through and I'm like, is this happening? Am I making all of this up? But the things that are coming through, I wouldn't say, or I wouldn't do. Or I wouldn't even begin to imagine these things. So that's how I'm starting to differentiate between things I'm making up in my own imagination and things that are actual experiences. Do you know you know what I'm talking about and.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

How.

[Alex Ferrari]

Exactly? Sure. And how do you make it? How do you tell the difference between.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

The two? Yeah, for me it's for sure that's. That's happening because we have this egoism that's kind of tricking us all the time. It's trying to trick us all the time. So was that real or is that not real? Sometimes it tricks you into thinking something that wasn't real is real. And sometimes it takes you into thinking something wasn't really was real. Feel. So for me, I. It's the vibration. It's how it resonates in me. It's almost like hand in glove, it fits the other one. Oh, maybe, maybe. But the other one, when I have the experience, it just.

[Alex Ferrari]

Rock solid. So you just, you just under. You just. You just feel like this.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Is real. It's like, you know, it's like I was trying to talk about my parents not knowing it, but I knew it. So their, their doubt did, you know, didn't.

[Alex Ferrari]

Sway me. There are moments in my. In my meditations that I've had those moments that I'm like, that's is absolutely 100% something outside of me. It's a mystical experience as opposed to something in your imagination because it just takes a hold of you in a way that you can't really explain.

Yeah, you just, I mean, because you can, you can explain away like, oh, master traveling. I'm going through a wormhole. I'm going to another reality, another timeline, or I'm going to visit the future or the past or something along those lines. You can kind of intellectually wrap your head around it, but when you have a vision internally, when you're meditating or something and you are taking hold of it and the feeling your body gets and everything is so powerful that you're just like, what just happened to me? Like, it's. It's a thing that. It's happened to me only a handful of times, but those times have been so profound to me that I can give you details of every instance of what happened in each of those things. Where in the other stuff, it's kind of dream, almost dreamlike. It kind of comes in and comes out. Does that.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Make sense? Yeah, it's a little ephemeral, just not Solid. But, yeah, trust those feelings that.

[Alex Ferrari]

You have. You've studied so many different walks of spirituality and ideas of it. There's a concept that suffering is necessary for awakening. Is that an illusion of the lower self or is that true that there has to be certain amount of suffering.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

To awaken? I think it's true. I think it is true. But, you know, because we gotta wake up. We're in this dream. It's like somebody slapping you in the face. Wake up, snap out of it. You know, life does that to you, especially when you get stuck. Right. Something will come along and it'll smack you and shake you and you start to. Well, what was that? Why am I doing that? So suffering really serves to help wake up the person. If, if, and only if they respond to it correctly. If they. Oh, poor me. Oh, I'm a victim again. That's. They lose, right.

[Alex Ferrari]

That one. And they're gonna have to go through it again.

When you're talking about that, it brought to my attention or brought to my memory the Matrix, one of my favorite films of all time. And when you are leaving the Matrix world, when Neo. You see. I'm assuming you've seen.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

The Matrix. Oh.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay, okay. So when Neo is leaving the Matrix and he's taken the blue pill. And he's taken. Is. It's a blue pill. I think I forgot which one it was. I think it's the blue or the red pill. One of.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

The two. I thought it was a.

[Alex Ferrari]

Red, but it might even take the red pill. Yeah, exactly. I. I confused the two. So he takes the red pill and now he's leaving. Well, before then, there was. There was suffering, but it was a different kind of suffering. He was just kind of like not going anywhere in life. He was hacker on the side, all this kind of stuff. But once he takes that pill, it's nothing but suffering. I mean, it's like suffering to get out of the Matrix. Suffering to literally be pulled out of the. Those things coming out of his mouth and. And he's taken and he's thrown in. Then he's eating mush, you know, mush. He's dressed horribly. It's cold. It's nothing but suffering. In the real world, when he awakens to what the reality and the truth is it's all pure suffering until he learns to transcend it. And then he becomes an Awakened One. He becomes a master eventually, where he can then control both worlds. He can go into the Matrix and play with it and manipulate it and then he starts to be able to do that in the real world as well. So it's such a. And I. I don't want to go down a matrix rabbit hole because I could talk about matrix for hours and hours. But does that make sense as far as what you're. What we're.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Talking about? I'd say sure. And there's some master, I might have even been Christ, but I can't say for sure who said if you knew what your suffering did for you, you would pray that it never stopped. It's a heavy one.

[Alex Ferrari]

Isn'T it? Oh, that's. Oh. Oh, that hit me like a ton of bricks. Oh, man, that's powerful. Because if you look at your life, anytime you've grown, anytime you've made a big step forward, there's been suffering, there's been challenges, there's been adversity. That's what tests you. That's what tests your metal. That is what makes you the samurai sword and not the.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Kitchen knife.

Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. Or butter knife maybe, but.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, even. Even better, a butter knife. But that's such a part. So if you just think.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

About this. When you awaken, it's like opening your eyes and you see a bigger picture, more higher truth, right? Well, it may be your spouse left you. You know, it's like that wakes you up and you, you start to open your eyes and it's just like if you were asleep and you just opened your eyes to bright eye, bright light, man, that would hurt you. So there's two ways of going. There's only two ways to progress. One is the path of basically suffering. It's a trial and error. You know, it's like taking it on the chin all the time. Or the other one is through reason where you really introspect on what's happening. You play it through and you start to see it and avoid some of those sufferings and pitfalls. It's not mandatory as. As it has to do with how attached we are to our illusions and.

[Alex Ferrari]

Our ignorance. That's a really important one, how attached we are to our illusions. Can you dive in a little bit.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

To that? Sure. It's just like I was saying, your wife leaves your business parts, your che, you had this illusion they were something else. But the world woke you up to the truth. Well, that was painful. So.

In our system, you know, Christ says, pick up your cross and follow me. Right? What's your. What's your cross? Well, your cross is all this karmic baggage right where you think you're going to follow him to the Crucifixion, where the egotism is crucified. And you can't expect to be resurrected as this higher self if the lower self, at least the egotism in the lower self, well, isn't crucified. So eventually, and at the pain, how painful it is, it's exactly how attached you are to.

[Alex Ferrari]

Your egoism. With your journey to find out what was happening to you and all the, the paths you walked. What do you believe is the biggest misconception of this term enlightenment? Because obviously the Buddha found in. But so many people think it's a destination that after you get there, then you just walk around like Christ and heal people. And like, what is the, you know, what is the truth of enlightenment? What's misunderstood about.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

This concept? For me, it's not just like this one thing. You have many enlightenments because enlightenment really means waking up to the true nature of reality. And there's no higher enlightenment than waking up to who you are because you're a child of God. And when you realize that.

It'S a totally.

[Alex Ferrari]

Different situation. Now, you've also done a lot of work in prisons.

Yeah. And, and that's really interesting because, I mean, the souls that are in prison a lot of times feel lost, feel hopeless, literally feel like they're trapped and they can't get out. Some will never get out.

How, what did your work, like, how do, what did you witness during this work that really just like, oh, my God, I can't believe that that happened to.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

That soul. One day I had a very interesting experience in Mexico. They took me to a juvenile delinquent center and the kids were in there and you know, they didn't, they were just there because they didn't have anything else to do. Their captive audience, right? And there was this kid in the middle of the second row and he sat there like this. He had his hat on sideways and he was just giving me this skunk eye, right? And I thought this kid, I, I couldn't read him, but he was just like, I don't know, he was really focused on me, but I couldn't quite read him. And when it was over, he came up to me and he hugged me and he started taking bracelets he had made off and give them to me. He followed me around the rest of the time like a puppy dog. Wrote me notes. It really impacted him. I thought it wasn't hitting him, but it really, really hit him the hardest. A lot of them got stuff from it. And then they take me to a big maximum security prison with 300 people, right? And I'm sitting there talking.

[Alex Ferrari]

To them.

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[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Hi.

[Dan Morgan]

Dan. Hey. How's it.

[Podcast Host]

Going today? It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what.

[Dan Morgan]

You do. I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury.

[Podcast Host]

Law firm. That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion won. 20 billion is an.

[Dan Morgan]

Insane number. Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the, the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time.

[Alex Ferrari]

Goes.

[Podcast Host]

On. Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into.

[Dan Morgan]

An accident? Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call.

[Podcast Host]

247 365. Wow. Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by.

[Dan Morgan]

The show. Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near.

[Alex Ferrari]

You you.

And now back to.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

The show.

And this guy in the middle of the second row has a teardrop. He's killed somebody, right? And he's giving me this look like I'm feeling like I don't know what he's thinking, you know? But after it's over, he came up and hugged me and he started telling me how beneficial it was. The people in the Mexican prisons, these people are open to it. They've been been beat over the head with Catholicism really badly. And when they hear the fresh story that it's not like that Christ didn't judge anybody. They didn't make them feel guilty for things. So when they start to hear it's something more, something they can relate to, it's just like they come alive. It was like I've never seen such a response in an audience. More than even just an American audience who's just not in jail sometimes they were really.

[Alex Ferrari]

In it. That's fascinating because they especially the, the Mexican jail because I'm Latino and I was raised, I was raised Catholic as well. And, and this, this beating of the, the dogma and the, all the stuff that comes along.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

With Catholicism.

[Alex Ferrari]

That they are, they're so like, they're searching and I think people listening to this conversation, they're searching for truth and they don't want to turn their, their back on Christ because his teachings were so pure, so much love. From what I've understood from my research, if, you know most Catholics are not following Christ, they're.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Following Paul.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's right. You know, I mean it's, it's Paul, Paul and Mary. No, no Mother Mary, of course, but no Paul. And he, Paul wrote between Paul and his disciples. They wrote half the New Testament. You know, so a lot of the dogma, a lot of the fear, all that stuff was written by Paul had nothing to do with Christ. You know, it's, it's fascinating, but it's so lovely to see that they were, they were searching and you gave them the door and they walked in.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Through it. They did, they really did.

[Alex Ferrari]

Have a new relationship with.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Christ's teachings. Yeah, I just went just a couple months ago, went to another, the same prison actually with the juveniles, with my friend who's a researcher of truth in Mexico. And he gave the lesson that time. And the kids in there, you know, you think, oh, they're juveniles and they don't look that bad. One of them had raped his and killed his five year old sister. Another one had killed his mother. And these guys were loving it. They were just loving hearing this. And they looked up to my friend who was given the lesson and they, you could see the admiration, like, oh, this is my big brother. He knows the truth. You know, he's helping me. So even the, well, even St. Paul said the redemption of everything, so even the worst of the worst will.

[Alex Ferrari]

Be redeemed. That's another conversation for.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Another podcast. How long that's going to take, how much suffering?

[Alex Ferrari]

Different matter. A.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Different.

[Alex Ferrari]

Matter. Karma. You know, soul blueprints. There's a lot of soul contracts A whole lot of things going on there. Now. Dakalos also described the human being as a living laboratory of the divine. Can you explain.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

That idea? Sure. We are the divine. There's. We're a spark of the God. You know, Christ said it. All these enlightened masters said we're a child of God. And the part about a laboratory is that we use our personality like a scientist uses a laboratory. We study things. What makes us feel that way? Why do I get angry over this? Why do I chase these dreams? Why do I chase that idea? So we're studying ourselves all the time, but we have to use our subconsciousness. It's like.

[Alex Ferrari]

The laboratory. He also talked about thought, form, creation. Can you explain what.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

That means? Sure. Thoughts are things, right? We hear that, but what's it really mean? Well, when we create a thought, even if it's not a strong thought, we are imbuing it with power, energy, purpose, our intent. And it gives it a form. It gives us really a form, a form that we can't see with our materialized, but clairvoyance see it all the time. I've seen them. Sometimes you don't want to see them. Some of them are really horrifically horrible. It's God's mercy that we don't see them. And so those things are living. And once they're created, they never die. All you can do is take the energy out so they don't affect you. That's. That's where habits come from. From you have this habit of smoking a cigarette 20 times a day or something. And you do it every day, and you do it for years and years and years. That's a hard thing to break. And the only way to break it is take the energy out. You can't fight against it. You'll never win. So these things are. Are real and they affect everybody. We live in a sea of these thought forms. We'll call them thought forms. Daskalos and the Sufis call them elementals. So these things are living. They follow you from one life to another other until they're fulfilled, or you consciously disenergize them. You have to do.

[Alex Ferrari]

Some karma. Is this a.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Karma thing? Well, sure, but this is the mechanism, the actual thing that takes out, you know, you've done something. You say, I hate that person. But we live in like a dome, right? So anytime you say a hateful word, it echoes and comes back to you. But now it has a form. And that form is.

The shape of your intention. Like if it's jealousy, it might be A snake or an animal.

[Alex Ferrari]

Or something. A person or. It can be.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

A person. Yeah, yeah. You can see that person's face. Yeah. And if you, you know, have this strong desire or wish and a thought about, I want a diamond ring. The shape and the form of it is a diamond ring, that diamond ring. So they take these forms on, but they don't. We can't see them. So we think, oh, there's nothing. I just had.

[Alex Ferrari]

A thought. So these ideas. So let's say alcoholism is something that you're fighting with in this lifetime time, and maybe your parents, your father fought it and before that your great grandfather fought it and so on. That's ancestral almost in the line that you decided to come into. So can you talk a little bit.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

About that? It's genetic, but it's not material genetic. It's. It's right energetic. It's a. It's a. It's a. We call them family elementals. They travel from one generation to another. And it says in the Bible, the sins of the father are transferred down to three or four generations. Well, this is how it happens. Happens through these influences. They're an influence. So now the next kid who. But the thing is, you have to vibrate somewhat in harmony for it, that influence to hit you. If you're pure and you don't think about gambling or drinking or anything, it's not going to affect that kid. But some kid that feels, you know, similar vibration that can attach to him and stick with him and then drive him, influence his behavior, but it's only an influence. Influence. It's not a possession, but it might as well be as possession, because if then they accept it, but if they do accept it, it's really hard to get rid of because you repeat it too many times. And every time you repeat it, it gets stronger every time you deny it. Like, if you want to have a cigarette, just don't have the next cigarette and you'll win. Right. It's just.

[Alex Ferrari]

One cigarette. Is there? Easier said than done, obviously.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Of course. Of course. That's because of the power and the drive of this cigarette. Thoughtful. That's attached to you and it works through the energy aspect of.

[Alex Ferrari]

Your body. So similar to, you know, generational abuse of people like abusing their kids and, you know, spanking them and all this stuff where I was raised like that. Not an abusive way, but spanked, where we choose not to do that to our children. We're kind of breaking.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

That.

[Alex Ferrari]

Cycle. Exactly. Because we've decided, no, we're not. We're not doing that anymore. Trust me. I would like to.

I have teenagers. I would love to, but.

I think every parent listening could kind of feel my feeling. Yeah, relate to that one. But, but we choose to do it differently this time and, and hopefully that breaks the cycle because there are people in my generation who are continuing the cycle like that for their kids and so on and so forth. So I'm fascinated with the, the idea of these elementals and these things that kind of haunt you and follow you from, from life to life. And there's also, but there's, that's, we're talking about the negative ones, but there's also positive ones.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

As well. Just like there's positive karma and negative karma, it's what, it's what you're doing that creates a thing. So if you, you sit down and meditate every day, then you have this elemental influence you to try to steal you and center you at certain times of.

[Alex Ferrari]

The day. Right. If you, if you all of a sudden can play the piano at seven, you know, beautifully, that's probably something you've brought in from another life because there's no possible way a seven year old could learn how to play. You know, Mozart couldn't have learned how to play what he played. He brought that in from another life.

Now I wanted to ask you, do you believe that humanity is collectively dreaming reality? And if so, how, how can we awaken from it without denying it? Which is the biggest problem of awakening or finding enlightenment is still being here and living in this world and navigating this world. We'll be right back after a word from.

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[Dan Morgan]

Hi, Dan. Hey, how's it.

[Podcast Host]

Going today? It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what.

[Dan Morgan]

You do. I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury.

[Podcast Host]

Law firm. That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion. 20 million is an.

[Dan Morgan]

Insane number. Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Goes.

[Podcast Host]

On. Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into.

[Dan Morgan]

An accident? Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting. Need to take your.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Call.

[Podcast Host]

247365. Wow. Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by.

[Dan Morgan]

The show. Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office.

[Alex Ferrari]

Near you.

And now back to.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

The show.

Every human being creates a shell and it's made up of their thoughts, feelings and all that kind of stuff. And not one person listening to this broadcast sees you the same way or me the.

[Alex Ferrari]

Same.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Way. Amen. So you know, that's, that's what's going on. We're all creating our own reality. How many realities are there? How many human beings are there? We all create them. But see, here's the thing. We create our reality based on what we know. So who we think we are and what we think reality is and how we react to that reality depends on what we know know. Then what we know changes. Reality changes for us and we change with it because we have new elementals, new thoughts, new ideas. And we learned something mankind's best. It's always been that way and it's that way now. You know.

500 years ago we thought the Earth was the center of the universe. 400 years ago, we thought this sun was rotating around the earth, you know, and, and you know, not too long ago a couple was 100, 150. We thought burning witches was a good idea. It was a good thing, you know, so yeah, we change and so our.

[Alex Ferrari]

Reality changes. Do you, how do you see humanity moving forward? I mean, you've been, you've been on this planet for a few minutes and you've seen, and you've seen things change from that seven year old in the late, in the late 50s where consciousness has gone and information is gone and awareness has gone across humanity. People say, yeah, this is the oh, this is so bad. Life is going that the world is in chaos. All the political stuff and the financial stuff and the food and every. The religion and all this stuff seems to be going out of whack. But I always look at us like we are more evolved now, awakenedly more evolved now than I can see us anytime. The last, you know, five to 6,000 years. It doesn't seem like it, but we were doing, like you just mentioned, we were burning witches 150 years ago. You know, I mean, they were still doing barbaric things in the. I think the. The last. The last guillotine was in France, was still going on when Star wars.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Was released. Is.

[Alex Ferrari]

That right? I. I saw that somewhere. Like.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

They.

[Alex Ferrari]

Were. They. They just were about to get rid of it, but they were still executing, you know, death penalty with.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

The guillotine.

[Alex Ferrari]

Wow. Wow. In the seventies, so. And there. And there's so many more examples of that through different cultures around the world that we. But we have evolved to the point where, like, maybe we shouldn't.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Burn.

[Alex Ferrari]

Witches. Yeah. You know, maybe. Maybe women should be allowed to vote. You know, maybe, you know, these kind of things that we've evolved consciously to go, you know what? It's not right to do this or do that. We have a long way to go.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Trust me. But we've come a long way. You got a.

[Alex Ferrari]

Good point. We've come a long way. So where do you see us moving as far as the level of collective awareness or consciousness going in the next five to 10 years? Because these last five years have been a hell of.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

A ride. I know. And it's about to get even more accelerated.

[Alex Ferrari]

I believe.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Tell me. Well, when. When human beings come to the planet, I think the first caveman, these guys are just like animals. All they're thinking about are the five S's, Sex, sleep, sustenance, shelter, and survival. They're just animals. But what starts to happen is they have to start to use the mind and develop their consciousness because something's trying to eat them and they need to eat something. So both cavemen and cave women carried clubs around to fight and to kill, thanks to eating. And it's slowly, slowly to develop. They developed and they move to move through. So basically what I'm saying is there's five levels of consciousness. This whole thing's about humanity has to go through these five level consciousness to get to the end. And the first level that humanity has to go to is instinctive consciousness. That's what the cavemen were. They were just living instinctually but then through the experiences, they start to wake up more and they start to then start to live subconsciously. Human beings, a lot of human beings live subconsciously. They go to work, they do this, and their life's over and they haven't thought about it, you know, so then we move out of the subconscious phase into the consciously awakening phase. And there's many, you know, steps in that phase. And eventually we move into the super consciousness phase. That's where you can see clairvoyantly, hear clairaudiently, and use the mind in a whole different way. And he does has many levels too. And when we finally get through that stage, we reach superconscious self awareness. Now, the awakening phase, it's a self consciousness, but it's about the little self. But at the end of the thing, when you finally reach this final stage and masters have reached it, Daskalos had reached it self, superconscious awareness. He knew who he was. He had super consciousness. He could tell you what you said to somebody not only that day, like earlier in the day, but previous lifetimes. Of course, people couldn't prove that one, but during the day that he would just constantly tell you stuff that made you realize he was playing with a lot more cards than anybody else because he knew what was going on with you. You know, he'd meet you for the first time. He had mentioned something from your life back in wherever you came from. So he had that. And that's where we're.

[Alex Ferrari]

All going. What do you think Taskalos would think about today's state of the world? Politically, spiritually, all.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Of it? Well, he had a certain phrase he used to like to say, nothing more stupid. I think he would find us. What's happening now is just complete and stupid. But he knows it's necessary to give us the necessary experience to come out of this. This.

Predicament.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'Re in. So what you're saying is that humanity has to go through the same suffering as the.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Individual does?

[Alex Ferrari]

Absolutely. Sure. In order to awaken. And the stuff that we're going through these last. I mean, it's been a wild ride since 2000, but it seems like 2012 was a really big pivotal year, because the Mayan calendar and that whole thing of switching and that was the beginning of the new. The new era of humanity's consciousness and growing. 2016, 2012. 2020 is from 2020 on. It's just been every year. It just keeps folding on itself and it just keeps growing and getting more intense and more. Do you see that? That's happening in these next five to.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Ten years. Oh yeah. I think there's no stopping it now. It started to awaken, people started to wake and it's like a snowball and it's, oh, this is wrong. And this is, this has been a lie and all that kind of of stuff. So it's.

[Alex Ferrari]

Definitely coming. Yeah. You see these videos of one of the biggest things that. One of my biggest pet peeves that is happening in the world right now is America's food system. I can't stand what is allowed to be sold to human beings here. And the thing that kills me is when I'm in Europe I can eat. I can go to McDonald's and eat. Not that I want to, but if I have to, if I want to stop and pick up up something, I know when I eat a French fry over there it's going to be a potato.

You know that if you put that, if you put that French fry in a, in a bag somewhere for a month, it's going to decay, it's going to smell and it's going to build mold here. That French fry will be good for probably the next five to ten years. It's insane. But people are starting to awaken to this. People are starting to understand that there's certain things happening to our food system that's unacceptable anymore when Europe had figured that out decades ago. Yeah, no GMOs, no corn syrup. You know, I could drink a Coca Cola. Not that I should, it's. But as.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

A tree. But you hear Cokes making them with cane.

[Alex Ferrari]

Sugar now. Yeah, I wonder why. Because, because. No, because people are demanding it and people are like, wait a minute, why are you. Why, why are, why do we have red number seven and, and Europe doesn't like, why do we have corn syrup in, in Mexico? Mexico has sugar. I don't know about you. Like we have Costco's in LA and in Texas where I'm at right now. And they sell.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Mexican Coke. Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm here. Yeah, they sell Mexico because people want Mexican Coke now because it has sugar in it as opposed to GMO ridden.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Corn.

[Alex Ferrari]

Syrup. Europe. So it's fat, it's f. But so that's an example, I use that as an example of things that are, that people are just waking up to. They're not. And it's get. And it seems to be getting more and more people are waking up, more people are starting to get angrier, more people are demanding change, more. And boy, I think we're in for a while to ride like you said, because there's a lot of change that needs to happen. And it's. Change isn't.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Always pretty.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's not. Change is.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Not always. But it's necessary. It's absolutely necessary if we're going to.

[Alex Ferrari]

Go on. So what, what gives you hope for humanity's future? Because we talked a little bit of people. Okay.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Tell me. I find, I find, you know, I. I find that there are most wonderful things in anybody, virtually almost. You know, some people are just so annoying, you don't want to be with them. You can't get. Can't get away from them fast enough. And that's because of their elementals or so disharmonious to yours.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know. Is that why when you meet. Is that why when you meet somebody you.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Just like? That's exactly it. It's there. Because then you mentioned vibration. Those elementals make an average tone. The Sufi's called a tone. It's their vibration. And it's so out of sync with yours that you just. I gotta go.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know.

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[Dan Morgan]

You do. I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury.

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[Dan Morgan]

Many cases? The insurance companies and other companies that we go against know that we're going to take it to the end, that we believe in the case. So we fight for every dollar and we're not afraid to go that extra mile for.

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[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

7.

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[Dan Morgan]

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[Alex Ferrari]

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There's a, there's a person in my family that I, that I. That exactly that happened. That person's never done a thing to me ever. And, and they, they married into the family, the distant family. But when I'm around them, I just, I just like, I gotta get away from them. I'm like, it is just visceral in me. I'm.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Like.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh. Oh. And again, they're not, they're not like, you know, doing any drugs in front of me. They're not even speaking. They're just, just their presence alone. Just. I just can't, I can't, I can't do that. And it's, it's fascinating. But that's the thing. This like it's.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Their.

[Alex Ferrari]

Elementals. Yeah. Their, their vibration, their frequency is just so far removed from mine that I just can't even be around them. It's, it's pretty, it's pretty fascinating. Daniel, where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

The world? Researchersoftruth.com is our website and we have a. Just lots of free videos on YouTube through, you know, hashtag Researchers of Truth. We're starting to put some on Telegram or Tick Tock and I think there's some on Instagram right now. And we do seminars now. We've just been backed by a non profit organization from England and they're, they're funding us and they're helping us develop a school. So we're building this, this big school with Daskalosis teachings where people can go and listen to him talk and obviously read the books, but read private lessons that the public doesn't have and really study the stuff deeply like we did when he was alive. So we're really looking forward, we're going to launch that next year.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's awesome. That's awesome. And finally, if you could whisper one message to every soul in humanity right now, what would that.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

Message be? Wake up.

[Alex Ferrari]

Wake up.

Simple.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

As.

[Alex Ferrari]

That. Simple. Daniel, it has been such a pleasure talking to you, my friend. Thank you so much for your tireless work of trying to awaken this planet and everybody in it. I appreciate you and everything you're doing, my friend. So thank.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

You again. I feel the same way about you, my friend, and look forward to meeting you.

[Alex Ferrari]

Maybe someday. Absolutely. Thank you again.

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[Dan Morgan]

Hi, Dan. Hey, how's it.

[Podcast Host]

Going today? It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what.

[Dan Morgan]

You do. I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan is which. Which is America's largest injury.

[Podcast Host]

Law firm. That's pretty awesome. Why do you guys think you win so.

[Dan Morgan]

Many cases? The insurance companies and other companies that we go against know that we're going to take it to the end, that we believe in the case. So we fight for every dollar. And we're not afraid to go that extra mile for.

[Podcast Host]

Our clients. Our insurance company's like, actually afraid of.

[Dan Morgan]

You guys. We don't bluff. We take it to trial. And we are not strangers of getting very, very, very.

[Alex Ferrari]

Large.

[Podcast Host]

Verdicts. Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into.

[Dan Morgan]

An accident? Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. Our call center is always waiting to take your call.

[Podcast Host]

247365 wow. Dan Morgan from Morgan & Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming.

[Dan Morgan]

By the show. Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an.

[Daniel Joseph Gobin]

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