Next Level Soul Podcast with Alex Ferrari
Episode NLS 647: "Why You Need More Than Just a Psychic Reading" with Marisa Liza Pell
Release Date: December 13, 2025
Guest: Marisa Liza Pell (Master Intuitive Channel & Transformational Mentor)
Host: Alex Ferrari
Episode Overview
In this dynamic and insightful episode, Alex Ferrari welcomes back Marisa Liza Pell for a candid exploration into the limitations of traditional psychic readings and the urgent need for deeper, embodied healing and purpose-driven action in today’s world. Through honest, often humorous, and always grounded conversation, they dive into topics ranging from the pitfalls of spiritual bypassing to the science of somatic healing, the importance of capacity, and how trauma wiring limits our access to both intuition and authentic creativity.
The episode takes listeners beyond the superficial entertainment of “getting a reading,” urging them to embrace inner work, embodied presence, and the activation of their unique mission—especially in a global moment demanding grounded leadership and connection.
Key Discussion Points & Insights
Authenticity & Humor in Spiritual Work
Timestamps: 03:08 – 05:27
- Marisa and Alex riff on authenticity, humor, and the importance of not taking oneself too seriously—even in weighty spiritual work.
- Quote:
“My whole job is serious. Like, you need humor is healing. Laughter is healing… you can’t take yourself too serious.”
— Marisa Liza Pell at 05:12
Who Is Marisa Liza Pell?
Timestamps: 05:55 – 06:27
- Quick intro: Marisa is a master intuitive channel and transformational mentor, blending intuition, channeling, and somatic healing anchored in scientific understanding.
- Her mission: help people heal core emotional wounds and step into purpose.
The Problem with Chasing Psychic Readings
Timestamps: 16:28 – 18:28
- Alex discusses his evolution from compulsively seeking psychic answers to recognizing the internal fear behind it.
- They explore the danger of overreliance on external guidance and the need to look within.
- Quote:
“When the person gets obsessed or addicted to needing to know… now you’re giving your power to something outside of yourself. You should be looking within.”
— Alex Ferrari at 17:49
Why Marisa Stopped Giving Readings
Timestamps: 18:28 – 19:46
- Marisa shares that she stopped doing readings for three years after realizing readings alone weren’t helping people stop deep-seated patterns.
Timing and “Psychic Amnesia”
Timestamps: 21:22 – 22:48
- Discussion around how psychic impressions are sometimes validated long after a session.
- Quote:
“They expect everything to be accurate right away… and then three weeks later, a horse somewhere comes into play… and all of a sudden that horse thing [makes sense].”
— Alex Ferrari at 21:52 - Marisa calls this “psychic amnesia”—people often forget or block out information that doesn’t fit their expectations in the moment.
Distinction: Psychic Work vs. Mediumship
Timestamps: 26:07 – 28:08
- Psychic readings access collective and earth-plane energies, whereas mediumship accesses energies/personality of the departed.
- Mediumship and psychic abilities are not identical and tuning in requires a conscious energetic shift.
The Information Overload Crisis
Timestamps: 09:01 – 09:57 / 29:15 – 29:23
- Marisa warns of an “information crash,” where technology and social media create a trance state, keeping people unfulfilled, detached, and negative.
- “If your whole time is spent watching the news, commenting on socials, doom scrolling and writing negativity—you're not helping the world at all.”
— Marisa Liza Pell at 09:29
The Real Work: Somatic Healing & Capacity
Timestamps: 28:35 – 44:11
- True healing and alignment to purpose require addressing trauma and stuck energy in the body’s nervous system—intellectual knowledge is not enough.
- Marisa explains her somatic, science-based healing approach, focusing on raising capacity for presence and connection.
- Quote:
“You really have a choice of what type of experience you’re having here… If you do the work you need to do, which is NOT fun, people!”
— Alex Ferrari at 28:49 - Quote:
“Intuition doesn’t work in a vacuum… intuition really is meant to be in motion.”
— Marisa Liza Pell at 42:41
The Earth Needs Embodied Light, Not Just Spiritual Escapism
Timestamps: 31:29 – 36:39
- Marisa shares recent channeled transmissions: “The earth is in trouble… Even lightworkers now are being called to GROUND.” (32:05)
- Stresses that this is not a time for further spiritual escape, but for anchoring back into the body, healing trauma, and activating purpose through embodied leadership.
Grounding as the Missing Link
Timestamps: 36:53 – 38:39
- Alex and Marisa stress the key role of grounding—both physically and spiritually.
- “The body has the DNA within it which holds our mission. But we have to come home.”
— Marisa Liza Pell at 38:13
Spiritual Bypassing, Triggers, and the Trap of Information
Timestamps: 29:53 – 33:19
- It’s not about accumulating more knowledge, spa treatments, or weekend workshops; if you’re not changing patterns, you’re not doing the true work.
- “Stop reading the books. Stop listening… More information is not going to get you anywhere. Just stop. Just stop it.” — Marisa Liza Pell at 29:15
Individual Healing as the Key to Collective Change
Timestamps: 51:35 – 52:21
- The role of embodied example: “No, you need to save yourself. And once you’re able to do that, your example will start lighting up people around you.”
— Alex Ferrari at 51:41
The Nervous System, Capacity, and True Intuition
Timestamps: 52:57 – 56:34
- True fulfillment and intuition for self require calming the nervous system (accessing “ventral vagal state”), not just performing or producing.
- Many high achievers are disconnected internally and need “internal space”, not more external achievement.
Modern Disconnection and Faux Connection
Timestamps: 56:17 – 60:00
- Social media and outward projection create the illusion of connection; real connection is found through presence, simplicity, and community.
- “We're more connected than we’ve ever been, but the loneliest we've ever been.”
— Alex Ferrari at 57:25
The Three-Stage Hero/Healer’s Journey
Timestamps: 83:15 – 88:08
- Marisa describes 11 years of “elevation” (external work), followed by an enforced pause (sabbatical & inner healing), and now a call to embodied creativity and grounded purpose.
- Alex and Marisa reflect on how their own paths have followed this pattern—moving from skill-building, to deep healing, to the integration of creativity and spiritual service.
Actionable Advice: How to Shift Your Vibration Instantly
Timestamps: 61:55 – 66:29
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Three simple but powerful steps:
- Stop watching the news for 5 days.
- Be aware of what you speak: refrain from negative, dramatic, or medical talk.
- Be careful what you consume and engage with online—avoid activating or downward-spiraling content.
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Quote:
“Choose what you consume. Choose what you say about yourself. Choose what you say about other people.”
— Marisa Liza Pell at 106:04
Embodiment, Simplicity, and Returning to Creativity
Timestamps: 102:05 – 103:30
- The importance of returning to what inspires and grounds us—creative work, play, and simplicity.
- “It’s about doing less. Talking less. Less information. It’s about simplification… That’s scary for a lot of people because that leaves a lot of room to be with themselves.”
— Marisa Liza Pell at 103:54
Most Notable Quotes
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On Shadow Work & Authentic Guidance:
“People kind of dance around problems. And the real healing happens when you go at it.”
— Alex Ferrari at 08:07 -
On Overreliance on Readings:
“That is a danger of psychic mediums… When the person gets obsessed or addicted to needing to know… you’re giving your power to something outside of yourself.”
— Alex Ferrari at 17:49 -
On the Next Spiritual Step:
“We need as many of those pillars of light activated as possible to start to bring the earth back online… The more people awaken, the better it is for everybody.”
— Marisa Liza Pell at 36:40/36:45 -
On the Pitfalls of Information Overload:
“More information is not going to get you anywhere. Like, just stop. Just stop it.”
— Marisa Liza Pell at 29:15 -
On Capacity Expansion:
“You just don’t have the capacity to reach the next level of vibration, hold it, and maintain it and keep it. And that’s why you see people… blipping.”
— Marisa Liza Pell at 74:53 -
On Social Media & Purpose:
“If you’re just doom scrolling and writing negativity—you’re not helping the world at all… You’re not doing the job you’re supposed to be doing, which is making an impact.”
— Marisa Liza Pell at 09:29 -
On the “Trolls”:
“Usually people who are writing this stuff, they weren’t heard, seen, or understood. They want to be heard. So go out and do something more creative with your time... That’s going to bring you joy.”
— Marisa Liza Pell at 107:53
Memorable Moments
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Alex’s Grandpa Shows Up (Again)!
- Marisa recaps the fun, quirky details that came up in her previous reading with Alex (“he doesn’t like your underwear!”)—showcasing the authenticity of evidence-based mediumship. (19:53 – 20:33)
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The “Stop It” SNL Therapy Skit Reference:
- Both riff on the wisdom (and humor) of direct, loving confrontation. (06:43 – 07:20)
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Connection to 80s/90s Nostalgia:
- Discussion emerges on media, nostalgia, and why we hunger for connection—explaining the world’s first “Nostalgia Park” (77:27 – 83:15)
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Advice to the Angry Commenter / “Troll”:
- Marisa addresses those who lash out online, framing their pain with compassion and calling them to creative, purpose-driven action (106:15 – 109:34).
Important Timestamps & Topics
| Time | Segment | |------------|---------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:08 | Authenticity, humor, and East Coast directness in spiritual work | | 05:55 | Marisa’s background and approach to healing | | 09:29 | The trance of information overload & “doom scrolling” | | 16:28 | The danger of addiction to psychic readings | | 18:28 | Why Marisa stopped reading professionally for years | | 21:22 | Psychic amnesia and later confirmations | | 26:07 | Psychic readings vs. mediumship—energetic distinctions | | 29:15 | Spiritual bypass and the myth of “more information” | | 31:29 | The urgent need for embodied light-workers on Earth | | 36:53 | The importance of grounding—spiritual and physical | | 51:41 | Individual transformation as the source of collective change | | 52:57 | Nervous system health, intuition, and fulfillment | | 74:53 | The concept of capacity—why self-sabotage is a myth | | 102:05 | Returning to creativity, inspiration, and simplicity | | 106:15 | Compassionate advice for critics/trolls |
Key Takeaways
- A reading alone is not enough: True progress requires deep somatic healing, releasing trauma from the body, and increasing your capacity to receive, act, and embody your soul’s mission.
- Stop outsourcing your power: External input (psychic or otherwise) can guide, but healing and transformation are internal, embodied processes.
- Embrace the hard work: Shadow work, trauma release, and nervous system regulation are essential, and rarely “fun”—but they are transformational.
- Your unique light is needed, now: Amid global uncertainty, the path is not further spiritual escapism but coming “back home” to your body, purpose, and creative gifts.
- Limit information overload: Consuming endless content (even “positive”) can block action and trap you in passivity—choose quality over quantity.
- Your healing ripples out: By saving and transforming yourself, you inspire others and shift collective consciousness.
For More Information
- Marisa Liza Pell:
marissalizapel.com | connectionbeyond.com
(As Marisa says: “Just Google me, you’ll find me.” – 105:46)
In the Words of Marisa (Final Wisdom)
“It’s about doing less. It’s about talking less. It’s about less information. It’s about simplification, simplifying your life. And that’s scary for a lot of people because that leaves a lot of room to be with themselves… but when you experience true space, you get very guarded with it… My world has gone from this to this. Because I know I want reciprocal relationships in my life today.”
— Marisa Liza Pell at 103:54
Listen, ground, act—and remember: growth comes by coming home to yourself.