NLS 655: What Vedic Astrology Say About Humanity's Near Future with Dr. Katy Jane

Summary

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Next Level Soul Podcast with Alex Ferrari

Episode 655: What Vedic Astrology Says About Humanity's Near Future
Guest: Dr. Katy Jane
Date: January 10, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this thought-provoking episode, Alex Ferrari is joined by Dr. Katy Jane, a renowned Vedic astrologer (jyotishi), to discuss the deeper meaning and power of Vedic astrology and what it reveals about humanity's near future—particularly as we approach major changes in 2026 and beyond. They explore the science and spirituality underlying Jyotisha, the distinction from Western astrology, the coming societal and technological shifts, and how cosmic timing is pushing individuals and humanity toward higher consciousness.

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Key Topics and Insights

What is Vedic Astrology? (03:53–09:10)

• Dr. Katy Jane explains Vedic astrology (Jyotisha) as the "science of consciousness" and not mere superstition.
• The word Jyotisha relates to the “light of the seer,” comparable to the observer effect in quantum physics.
• Each person is "imprinted" at birth with a unique configuration—a cosmic map that reflects their dharma (purpose) and karma (life lessons).
• Free will in Vedic astrology centers on where we place our attention—what we focus on manifests reality.

Notable Quote:

"Jyotisha is a lot like the observer effect in quantum physics. By knowing your inner imprint ... you can use your free will to consciously participate in your destiny." —Dr. Katy Jane (05:15)

Fate vs. Free Will & the Role of Conditioning (09:22–12:12)

• Many people inherit life paths from family or societal conditioning that override their underlying dharma.
• Example: A client, naturally an artist, spent her life as an accountant due to parental pressure, only finding fulfillment later when she embraced her true nature.

Notable Quote:

“The imprint isn’t me telling them who they are. It’s them recognizing, ‘Oh yeah, that’s who I was born to be.’ That’s the aha moment.” —Dr. Katy Jane (15:08)

The Power of Timing and Spiritual Realization (17:10–23:13)

• Vedic astrology’s Dasha system pinpoints timing of life events based on lunar constellations, perceived as uncanny in its accuracy.
• Individual experience is part of a collective system, influenced by ancestral, cultural, and even national karma.
• The ancient Rishis accessed cosmic knowledge through inner realization, much like quantum interconnectedness of all things.

Notable Quote:

“They knew [the stars and planets] because of their inner state of realization. They did not see themselves as separate from the entire universe.” —Dr. Katy Jane (22:13)

Humanity’s Current Astrological Crisis: AI, Identity, and Purpose (28:35–40:52)

• 2026 forecast: Major transition driven by artificial intelligence, leading to mass job displacement and a crisis of identity/purpose.
• The technological leap is compared to previous moments in history (printing press, radio, PC), which always coincide with leaps in consciousness.
• This time, the transformation is global and will force people inward, pushing them to discover identity beyond professions.

Notable Quotes:

“AI will replace a lot of people ... But then I never thought about the internal crisis ... That is terrifying for those who don’t have access to any kind of understanding of the mind beyond thinking.” —Alex Ferrari (30:34, 30:41)
“Now it’s guides on the side. Because it’s such a mass awakening that it requires a lot of spiritual teachers to meet the demand ... It can’t just be the one anymore, it’s now led by the many who have had this awakening.” —Dr. Katy Jane (40:08)

Opportunity Within Crisis & the Evolutionary Purpose of Upheaval (41:20–56:27)

• Adversity often catalyzes spiritual growth (“No one comes to God after winning the lottery”).
• As historic systems break down (workforce, economy, institutions), it creates space for creativity, entrepreneurship, and spiritual awakening.
• Transition is difficult but necessary for collective progress—crisis and opportunity are two sides of the same coin.

Notable Quote:

“Evolution is never an easy path. It’s a traumatic event, usually, that inspires our collective growth ... Crisis and opportunity are the same.” —Dr. Katy Jane (55:17)

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Vedic Astrology Predictions for 2026 and Beyond

Astrological Markers and Societal Shifts (43:31–54:29)

• 2025 was a “heavy year”; 2026 is a “one year” (numerologically), symbolizing self-inquiry (“Who am I?”), with Mars weakened but Jupiter rising.
• Mass layoffs, uncertainty, and youth empowerment ("youth coming out in big force") expected—mirroring but evolving beyond the 1960s.
• Jupiter’s exaltation from June 2026 signals a surge in enlightenment, optimism, and spiritual teachings.

Notable Quote:

“2026 is when we have to turn within and look for answers ... The youth are the hope, they are the future. So we’re going to see the youth really come out in big force.” —Dr. Katy Jane (43:36, 46:18)

The Age of the Entrepreneur and Technological Breakthroughs (51:37–54:29)

• Economic downturns will force creativity, innovation, and risk-taking.
• Upcoming transitions may bring forth technologies like universal free energy, shifting the economic paradigm.
• Humanity resists change until “the sledgehammer” comes, both collectively and individually.

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The Yugas: Cycles of Human Ascendancy (87:13–95:56)

• Dr. Jane explains the Yuga cycle (from Sri Yukteswar’s "The Holy Science"), a 26,000-year cycle through ages of greater or lesser enlightenment.
• Contrary to traditional belief, we are not at the nadir but in the ascending Dwapara Yuga (energy age)—evidenced by global technology and mass awakening.
• The darkest age (Kali Yuga) corresponded to the Middle Ages.

Notable Quotes:

“He [Yukteswar] claims that the sign of the Dwapara Age is energy. So everything is moving toward our identification with energy ... and it’s also the sign of collective enlightenment for humanity.” —Dr. Katy Jane (90:10)

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Practical Wisdom: Embracing One’s Dharma (74:17–80:54)

• The Vedic chart reveals past patterns, present blocks, and future potential—empowering self-acceptance and purpose.
• Misery arises from aligning with imposed desires, not with innate purpose.
• “Everyone has a great path for themselves ... It’s just that we don’t see them.” (80:19)

Notable Quote:

“It’s the birthright of everybody to see the greatness that they inherited in their life and what the potential is that they’re bringing ... to this life.” —Dr. Katy Jane (115:41)

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Looking Ahead: Transformation, Challenges, & Hope (102:56–106:58)

• 2026: A window of positive, hopeful energy after years of intense Saturnian challenge.
• Challenges continue, especially in the workforce and economy (possible inflation).
• 2030–2032: More significant global difficulties (potential for war or major upheaval) necessary for further evolution.
• Collective intention and focus are crucial: “The power of our free will is best applied in where we put our attention.” (101:45)

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• Alex’s Analogy: Accepting your birth chart is like being a chef—“These are the ingredients you were given. How you combine them is up to you. But these are the ones you've got.” (116:14)
• On sudden spiritual experiences:

  “Spontaneous enlightenment is like winning the lottery. You’re not prepared ... That’s why over lifetimes we’re building our way up, priming ourselves.” —Dr. Katy Jane (82:13)

• On the coming Aquarian Age:

  “The hippies in the 60s were right ... We are heading more toward the Aquarian age. And we’re starting to see signs of the Aquarian ideal ... Women come to the center as spiritual teachers and healers and world leaders.” —Dr. Katy Jane (110:58–112:40)

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Important Timestamps

• 03:53 – What is Vedic Astrology?
• 09:22 – Fate versus Free Will
• 17:10 – Timing and Realization, Collective Karma
• 28:35 – AI, Identity, and Humanity’s Crisis
• 40:08 – Mass Awakening & Many Guides
• 43:31 – 2026 Astrological Shifts
• 51:37 – Entrepreneurship and New Technology
• 87:13 – The Yugas Explained
• 102:56 – 2026–2032: Years of Hope and Challenge

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Closing Messages

• “Align with your higher self and evolve into who you’re meant to become.” —Dr. Katy Jane (117:54)
• Embrace your unique design—knowing and living your dharma is the key to fulfillment in turbulent times.
• Focus attention on higher possibilities to co-create a better reality.

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For more:

• Dr. Katy Jane’s work: drkatijane.com
• Free Vedic Moon Sign: vedicmoonsigns.com
• Book: Vedic Moon Signs: Moon Signs for the Soul

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Transcript

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I'd like to welcome to the show Dr. Katie Jain. How are you doing? Dr. Katie?

[Dr. Katie Jain]

I'm absolutely thrilled to be on X Level Soul. I've been a fan for such a long time, so thank you so much for having me on.

[Alex Ferrari]

Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for the kind words and thank you for making it to Next Level Soul Studios. I appreciate it.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

I'm really happy to be here.

[Alex Ferrari]

So you are an astrologer.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

But you lean towards the Vedic side.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

I am a Vedic astrologer, which is otherwise known as a jyotishi.

[Alex Ferrari]

A jyotishi?

[Dr. Katie Jain]

In Sanskrit, a jyotishi is. It's a little bit different than what we think of as astrology. So astrology, we. We sometimes associate with fatalism or prediction, superstition, even spiritual bypassing.

[Alex Ferrari]

What is spiritual bypassing?

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Well, like, everything that's going wrong in my life is because of Mercury. Retrograde, for example.

[Alex Ferrari]

Thank you for bringing this up. I want to talk about something really quick before we dive in with astrology, because astrology does get a bad rap.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yes, it does.

[Alex Ferrari]

Every day. Oh, you're a cancer. Don't get out of the house today because Mercury's in retrograde.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Great.

[Alex Ferrari]

So it does get a bad rap. But the more I've kind of dived into astrology and various forms or schools of astrology, whether it be Vedic or Chinese or Western or, you know, whatever they might be, it is a science more than it is a superstition or. Yeah, but as opposed to what they do in the newspapers, that's how old I am before they. Like they used to do in the newspapers or in magazines. You're like, your daily horoscope is this Your daily horoscope is that they kind of ruined it for a lot of people.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

In their mind, they've ruined it for a lot of people. And I'm glad that you used the word science because Jyotisha, which is the Sanskrit word for Vedic astrology, really refers to the science of consciousness. Jyoti refers to that part of our mind that is the pure witness, the seer. So Jyotisha is a lot like the observer effect in quantum physics. So by knowing your inner imprint, which is given to you at birth, according to the science, all of us are imprinted beings by the planets and stars in their positions when we're born. And that's just a mind blowing concept in and of itself, of course. And it has a historical development that comes from that. But knowing your imprint cultures, your perception of reality, so when you know what your Dharma is, your highest life's purpose, your destiny, then you can use your free will to consciously participate in it. So all of us are given a default position, a default understanding of ourselves, like from our parents, our culture, our education. And it's sort of like the passcode that you get when you get a new software. It's complicated, but we are the hardware.

[Alex Ferrari]

So there's two different things. So if I. If I may. So what you're saying is that our hardware is what we can't control. Meaning that what sex we're born in, what family we're born in, what time we were born in, can control here, controlled on the other side, when we built it all and built a blueprint. But that's kind of the hardware that we're set up with. But the imprint that you're talking about is kind of like the software of where this being is destined to kind of go. But how we get there is truly up to us. As far as these kind of mile markers of things that will happen to us throughout our life. We'll meet this person, we will be in this industry, we will live in this country. Does that make sense?

[Dr. Katie Jain]

I would actually flip that. I would say that we're born with the hardware, that we have a particular imprint, we have a particular destiny, we have a particular life curriculum. And we call this our dharma, which is our highest life purpose and karma are all of those repeating lessons that we undergo. And if you live long enough, you realize that the same things keep happening to us over and over again. Like we don't have to go through every single thing there is to go through in life. We're confined to a particular set of experiences. So I would call that our hardware. But our free will is how we program, how we use our vision. Jyotisha means the eye of the Veda or the eye of wisdom. So it's how we see ourselves that creates our reality. This is the observer effect. And this is why Jyotisha belongs to science more than superstition. It's the science of how to use our free will. And the only free will we really have is where we put our attention. What we choose to focus on will bring forth that reality. So what your Vedic birth chart gives you is a map of your highest potential in this life. So you can use that perception to either align with the default position, the conditioning, the criticisms we've received, the flawed self. Or we can align with where our path is leading us to what is our soul's evolution and consciously use our thought, speech, and our action to enact that higher outcome.

[Alex Ferrari]

When you're saying that we have the fatalism aspect of astrology, where people are like, oh, I guess this is just my destiny. I have to do this or I have to do that. But when someone discovers what they're doing, their true purpose is, have you in your work kind of come across where, I don't want to be an actor. I don't want to be a scientist. I don't want to be. That's what you're telling me, but I don't want to do that. Do you find that there's a pushback on when they discover what there is? Or is there kind of like, oh, finally, okay, now I can get to work. Or do you get both?

[Dr. Katie Jain]

No, actually, very much the latter.

[Alex Ferrari]

Good.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

The former is what we tend to inherit from our conditioning, our upbringing. So, for example, I have a client, and this isn't her real name, but her name is. Yeah, her name is Yukiko. And she always felt that she was an artist. She was naturally gifted from a child, but her parents refused to acknowledge that as a serious path. And so when it came time for college and she wanted to go to art school, they were like, no. No way. And she ended up becoming an accountant.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, geez. Like, nothing against accountants.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Nothing against accountants. If it's your Dharma.

[Alex Ferrari]

If it. Like, I know people who love numbers. Like, that's their. That's their thing. That's their bliss as an artist to be thrown into. Cause I'm an artist as well. To be thrown into that kind of position. It just drives me.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yeah. Yeah. So. Yeah. So she was very unsatisfied, and she felt invisible her whole life. And like she came to see me actually, because she had a turning point moment when somebody bumped into her on the street and said, oh, sorry, I didn't see you. And she felt like, yes, nobody sees me in my life. And so she came to me and we looked at her moon sign, which was Rohini. And Rohini is the sign of the artist. It's the creative. It's the one who sees the world through rose colored glasses. And so she took that to heart and she was near retirement, so she quit her job and she started painting just for herself. But it caught on so much that she ended up being able to have a career as an artist. Wow. After her parents had told her, you'll never make a living as an artist. So, I mean, this happens all the time in the work that I do because when we hear our imprint, especially our moon sign, which shows our soul's journey over lifetimes.

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[Dr. Katie Jain]

It should be very familiar and it is for most people, unless they have something very strange going on in their chart or they're not giving their right birth time. But that imprint isn't me telling them who they are. It's them recognizing, oh yeah, that's who I was born to be. That's what my destiny is. And I always knew it. And that's the aha moment, which in Sanskrit we call Jyoti. Jyoti is like the spark that changes the darkness forever. The match of the, the light of the match once lit, that changes the darkness forever. As Victor Turner said, something very important though.

[Alex Ferrari]

This person, Erico, she was near retirement age. So she spent the majority of her life doing something that she was not meant to.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Hated doing it.

[Alex Ferrari]

Hated doing. Which I'm assuming a few people listening or watching have gone through this or know somebody who's gone through this.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

True.

[Alex Ferrari]

But then she picked up at retirement age and she fulfilled what she was here to do. Is it never too late to figure this? Because I mean, cause she could have been from 18, an artist.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

That's right.

[Alex Ferrari]

And she could have. And that could have been a completely different life for her, met different people, probably married someone different. It would have just been a different world. But so from your point of view, first of all, is it never too late? Is it? Is it never too late? And secondly, is this a failed life because she didn't pick up? Because we're talking, let's say 30 years that was not wasted, but not on the path. It was the rocky side path where the paved one was right next to it. And she didn't jump on that one. I'm asking. It's just curiosity. Like, is that technically a failed. Is she gonna have to come back and do it again? We go deep here. I'm sorry.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Will she have to come back? Well, that I don't know, because I don't have my ear pressed against the wall of God's office. Right, but historically, from the work you did. Yeah, but no, it's absolutely not too late ever, for waking up. You know, waking up happens on its own. You know, we can't plant a seed and keep digging it up, you know, to see if it sprouts roots yet. Like I did when I was 8 and I had, you know, a bean sprout. I kept like, see? Did it sprout the roots yet? Did it sprout the roots yet? No, we have to wait, let the seed sprout. And that may take us lifetimes, and yet it happens instantaneously. And what's really, I think, fascinating about Vedic astrology, which is a little different than tropical Western astrology, is that we actually can trace the exact timing of somebody's life experience. This is called the Dasha system.

[Alex Ferrari]

So explain. Yeah, can you dive in?

[Dr. Katie Jain]

So, I mean, without getting too technospeak about it, but basically, when you're born, your moon is in a particular star constellation, and the moon channels the imprint of that star to your consciousness. I mean, that idea is very mind blowing. And this is when the hardcore scientists exit the building whenever we talk about astrology, because how do you prove that? And yet, you know, I've been doing this work for 25 years, and it's uncanny. The qualities that are assigned to that star get imprinted into your consciousness, and that's who you become. And yet there is also the element of timing in that connection. So the moon determines the clock, starting from the moment you take your first breath to your last breath. And the sequence of timing according to a planetary system of calculation, when you'll go through what you'll go through. And that is really mind blowing. So I could look in the case of Yukiko, my client, why she spent 30 years. There's a reason, obviously, in a career she hated. But yet, I mean, just because she hated it doesn't mean that it didn't contain some really powerful and important life lessons that ultimately led her to discovering her dharma, her highest life's purpose.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right, because if she was supposed to be an artist at 18, she would have been born into a family that supported art.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Correct.

[Alex Ferrari]

And would have just pushed her right into so there's a reasoning why she had that set of parents in that timing and everything. Exactly. Because when she was born, very different times and different everything.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

So there must have been a reasoning.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Plus, we're not isolated beings and we come as a collective. We come with all of our relations. We come with all our ancestral karmas and our community karmas, even our national karmas. Like all of us who are born in a particular country, we all share a similar destiny. So we can't see people only in a vacuum or an isolated incident in their life. We have to see them as part of a whole system.

[Alex Ferrari]

Let me ask you, Katie, with. You just threw a bunch of things here out there. So let's say, okay, so you're born on this month, this year, this time, and the moon says this thing. Cool. Now that's one path. But now we gotta toss on karma. Now we gotta toss on ancestral karma. Now we have to toss on country karma.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

That's right.

[Alex Ferrari]

And all these other things that affect the. How do you keep it like it's a lot. This is a lot of information that could not. Variables. There's a lot of variables here that can move this train or this truck in a very different way.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Oh, oh, yes. Oh. It gets even more complicated than that. Which is why you can't really study the system intellectually, even though people do. But you can tell when you have your chart read by somebody who has a very intellectual understanding of this system. They're trying to keep it all in their mind. You won't understand anything about yourself that way. Jyotisha is a system that connects you with your deep inner knowing. So what's mind blowing about the Vedic Rishis, the seers that cognize the Vedas and cognize this system of self understanding? They did not have high powered telescopes.

[Alex Ferrari]

No.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

How did they know about Arcturus for example? Or any of the stars that are so remote that we cannot see them with a naked eye. And yet they included them as the reference points of the Vedic zodiac. They knew them because of their inner state of realization. They did not see themselves as separate from the entire universe. Sri Aurobindo has this beautiful quote about the Vedic understanding of our interrelatedness with the universe. He says, from near to far, everything can be known from within yourself. So Jyotisha arises. Vedic astrology arises through a state of realization, of a mind expanded state of being that understands the connection with all souls within the one soul that we all share.

[Alex Ferrari]

So it seems like they were not Tapped into the three dimensional world. They were tapped into their internal world or what Yogananda called self realization. Yes, they were at a deeper level. So when they're at a deeper level, they're tapped into. I like to call it the cloud, but the spiritual cloud, which is the Akashic records. And if that information they're tapped into, of course they would understand where these other planets were. Even though there was no physical three dimensional way for them to know this knowledge because it just didn't exist.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

That's correct. And I love that you called it a cloud. I just immediately thought of St. John of the Cross and the cloud of unknowing and especially that word of unknowing. So, you know, we have this discriminative mind that is separative. You know, I know that I'm short because somebody's tall or I know that I'm tall because an ant is very small. And you know, so everything, everything is relative. Everything can be measured, which is Maya. Maya literally means to measure that part of our mind is not the deepest part of our knowing. Our deepest part of our knowing is actually our unknowing, which is in Sanskrit called Vedanta, the end of knowing.

[Alex Ferrari]

And that's what scares a lot of people when you go down that road. Because it, it's something that for like scientific minds, they can't, they can't wrap their mind around it. So if they can't wrap their mind around it, they're scared of it or they just, even if it, there's, even if there's proof, they'll try to walk till they'll try to reason their way out of it. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show, because, I mean, there's so many stories of Yogananda, for example, who we both are very large fans of. There are stories in Autobiography of a yogi that make no logical sense, but there is historical and even footage of things. That's right happening by yogis and Tibetan monks and masters of all walks of life doing things. I mean, Christ being one of the more popular ones here in the west, who was a great yogi.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

That's right. Knowing before knowing. And it's, I think, really apt that you brought up, you know, the scientific mind. But also where we're heading is beyond this, actually. You know, you mentioned all the great saints, Paramahansa, Yogananda, Babaji, Jesus Christ, all of these beings who had access to this higher state of mind, the Vedic Rishis. But now humanity through AI is moving to that very state.

[Alex Ferrari]

Interesting. What do you mean by that?

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Well, so AI can replicate our cognitive mind.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's getting there.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

It's getting there and it will definitely get there.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, we will be in the holodeck soon.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

We are going to be in the holodecks and especially in the year of 2026, which we'll discuss a bit of the astrology ahead. The workforce is going to be greatly impacted by AI replacing What we can do with our minds, which is a huge crisis on a lot of levels. I mean, economically, but also in terms of purpose. You know, if I can't be an engineer, if I can't define myself that way, then who am I? And that question arises en masse, especially 2026. It begins that question of who am I? And that is terrifying for those who don't have access to any kind of understanding of the mind beyond thinking.

[Alex Ferrari]

That is. That is mind blowing. It makes so much sense because in 2020 was stage one.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

2020 was stage one.

[Alex Ferrari]

That was like everyone stopped and said, what am I doing?

[Dr. Katie Jain]

That's right.

[Alex Ferrari]

We had to stop. What am I doing? Who am I? Do I love this person that's next to me? Do I want to get out of this relationship? Do I want to get out of this job? Do I want to move to another place? It forced everybody for a little self reflection.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

That's right.

[Alex Ferrari]

And it started this journey of this whole thing. We launched in 2021, so it was very shortly thereafter when we launched Next Level Soul. But I love what you're saying. Not because I love what's gonna happen, but it is what it is. That AI will replace a lot of people. There's no doubt. It's already happening.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yes, it's already happening.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. There's no doubt about it. But then I never thought about the internal crisis.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because if you can't. I remember growing up, I associated myself as being a film filmmaker, film director. And whenever my career wasn't going well, my life was just a total wreck because I could. The thing I identified was. Was not being successful because I was identifying with something outside of myself.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

That's right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Till I finally understood. No, no, no. I'm not a filmmaker. It's one of the things I do.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

But that's not who I am.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

That's not who you are.

[Alex Ferrari]

Exactly. So this is gonna force people to go, I'm not an engineer, I'm not an account, not a customer service rep. I'm not. These are things that are going to be taken out. I mean, I was. I was in la, and here in Austin, downtown, driverless cars are everywhere.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Robotic bistros I saw at the Austin airport.

[Alex Ferrari]

Robotic. Oh, there's robotic baristas there. There's all. It's, it's, it's starting.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

It's starting.

[Alex Ferrari]

I mean, we will have Rosie from the Jetsons in the house soon. Yeah, I mean, we will. I mean, it's, we are it's not. I mean, I've Seen some of it already and it's kind of terrifying. But this is not anything new. The only thing new is the scale of it, because when cars came in, it displaced an entire industry of people who had to deal with horses and horseshoes and the little lashes that made them to go and who built the wheel, wagons and all. It knocked out an industry.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

That's right.

[Alex Ferrari]

But then a new industry was born. But it was a small group of people, it wasn't a global issue, which is what AI is going to do.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

It's what it is. But you know, when we look at all the major innovations in say, communication, they are all accompanied by a great leap in consciousness, beginning with the invention of writing back in the Sumerian civilization. We have the birth of astrology. The connection between as is above, so is below. That accompanied the birth of writing. We have the invention of the printing press and we have the Reformation, we have Galileo coming out of that, we have a whole mind blowing expansion of who we think we are. Then comes the fountain pen. Imagine how upset the scribes must have felt when everybody could write, right?

[Alex Ferrari]

And everyone could read and everybody could.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Read and then the typewriter, right? It all accompanies a great leap of consciousness. 1960, the first PC came out and I mean it filled a whole room. I think the mini quote unquote computer. But then look at what happened 1960 to 1970. Oh, massive things, you know, massive expansion in consciousness.

[Alex Ferrari]

We got to the moon, all that.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Stuff, we went to the moon. And now from 2020 to 2030 we have the dawn of AI, which everyone can start freaking out that oh my God, my job is going to be made redundant. Like the scribes who are upset about the printing press or the pen. The pen. But what happens is humanity leaps. Like when Yogananda came in 1920, 1920 was a huge year. Radio was invented, right? Broadcasting suddenly became available. The reason why he was able to spread his message of yoga through the whole world was because people could listen to his recordings. So AI is a tool, it's not the boogeyman. We are going to a deeper part of our mind. We are becoming one with the creator. Actually, when you're using ChatGPT as a tool, for example, for writing, it's not that it writes a book for you are the creator of those ideas. It's very different from being the one who actually does it to the thinker behind it or the feeler behind it.

[Alex Ferrari]

It would be. It's kind of like, well, I mean, it's kind of like art in that way we could sit there and draw a painting of you, or we could have AI do it right now. There's two very different energies and vibes to it, and you can kind of go back and forth on it. For me, like, even in the film industry, AI is. It's terrifying.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

It's terrifying.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, the film industry in general is dying and hurting very badly because just. Everything just is shifting.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

That's right.

[Alex Ferrari]

I mean, talking about displacement of hundreds of thousands of people, the film industry is shifting. Everything's changing. Now. Kids, you know, who are 12 years old are making millions on TikTok and on YouTube.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

And that opens up a whole other can of worms, like to have that kind of power, that. Have that attention that young.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know, how do you deal with it? So there's a lot of shifting, a lot of things happening. And I think. I mean, I've been, you know, I was. I was born in 74, so I've been around for a few things.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

You remember payphones?

[Alex Ferrari]

I remember payphones. I remember not having a remote control on the television. Me being the remote control for my grandfather. Get up. Yeah. All that kind of stuff.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Stuff.

[Alex Ferrari]

So our generation was the first generation who knew what it was like before the Internet. But then we also embraced Internet, so we have. As opposed to the millennials who really didn't. They heard stories about the rotary phone.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

They're like, why is Home Alone a thing? Like, couldn't they just call?

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[Alex Ferrari]

Like that whole movie doesn't work other than in that time period.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

That's right. They don't get it.

[Alex Ferrari]

You can't. Like, you know, I saw the meme the other day is like the plot of Home Alone today. I left a home text. I'm at home.

Great.

We'll be right there. Done. That's the end of the show.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

That's the end of the movie.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's the end of the movie.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

That's. That's done.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's over. So it's. It's a really interesting thing, but I love this conversation because it's. It's really setting the stage of what's coming that's right for people, and it's not to be fearful. Listen, if it's. If it's your job on the. On the cutting block. Yeah, of course you're going to be fearful because let's say you've been doing something for 30 years.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

That's right.

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[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. But you know what? There was a guy who was like the best lash maker. The little lash that you would hit the horse with to make him go for the buggy.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And that's. There was probably generations of that.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And all of a sudden it becomes a novelty.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And his whole world shut down. And if you go throughout history, you just start seeing again and again and again. Company. Look at Sears, look at Woolworth, look at all these Bed Bath and Beyond. These are massive companies that just couldn't survive in these massive changes. So it happens to everybody and everything. It's just that this is just at such a fast and large scale that we've never seen, we've never seen before in every industry. Every single industry is going to be affected by this.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

It is. And if people don't understand it as a spiritual opportunity, then it's a mass mental health crisis. And this is why it's a little different between we're having a repeat of 1960 to 1970, astrologically speaking.

[Alex Ferrari]

Also, I've heard that. Yeah.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

But the difference is 1960 to 1970 was really all about the sage on the stage. In terms of gurus coming from India. India and the Maharishi, the Beatles, all of those. They were sages on the stage. Now it's guides on the side. Because it's such a mass awakening that it requires a lot of spiritual teachers to meet the demand. A lot of healers, a lot of, you know, can't be just the one. Intuitives. Yeah. It can't just be the one anymore. It's now led by the many who have. Like yourself, who've had this awakening when you realize, oh, I'm not a filmmaker.

[Alex Ferrari]

Only.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Only that is a profound realization that has informed your life and directed you to do this kind of work, which is incredible. I mean, this is your dharma expressed in a really effective way that's meeting the times. So is the same for everybody else, but they don't know that it's a spiritual opportunity.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's a beautiful way of looking at it, because most of us, when we lose our job or break up with our significant other or a tragedy happens, we always look at it. Most of the times look at it at the negative point of view. And trust me, when you go through those things and I've gone through it, I'm sure you have as well. It's very difficult to go, hold on, everybody. I know I just lost my job, but this might be a spiritual opportunity. Yeah. But I can't pay the rent. But it's okay. But it's a spiritual. So there's that balance.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Well, yeah. I mean. And I don't want to be a spiritual bypasser. I mean, let's be. Be honest. No one comes to God after winning the lottery.

[Alex Ferrari]

I mean, no one's looking for Jesus when you're in the Amalfi coast on a yacht. No.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

So I don't want to downplay the. The. The difficulty of this, you know.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, I think also, and this is just from my own personal experience is. And I'm assuming you probably went through something similar, where things have to get so bad in your life that you're forced to. There's no other option out. Whether you either have to find a spiritual path out or you have to do something you've never done before. You get so uncomfortable.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

That you are forced to search for something outside of yourself or within yourself. Better. But you're forced to do that. 2020 was the first time the whole planet was forced to do.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

And now 2026, which I keep Hearing is going to be an interesting year.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

What is going to happen is, I think is another major thing that's going to happen in this next coming year. 2025 has been no joke. It's been rough.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

No, it was a heavy year.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's holy. It started off with, I mean, the fires in LA and then all the other. And then the wars and then the.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

I mean it's just ice coming in and taking people out.

[Alex Ferrari]

I mean, it's pretty, it's pretty amaz. It's pretty amazing. And it's been a rough year. It's been a rough year.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

It's been a rough year until October and then, you know, we're starting to see signs of what's coming in 2026.

[Alex Ferrari]

So tell me astrologically, from the Vedic perspective, what's happening?

[Dr. Katie Jain]

So numerologically, 2026 is a one year. 2025 was nine. And nine in Vedic numerology refers to guru. The word guru means teacher, divine teacher. But it also means heavy. And there were a lot of heavy things that went on from day one of 2025, because astrologically speaking, Mars was really in a bad kind of state for most of the year. And Mars refers to war, violence, conflict, fire, these kinds of things that we experienced. 2026 is a one year and one refers to self. And the question who am I? And that's why I'm bringing it up, because 2026 is when we have to turn within and look for answers that are deeper than our cognitive mind. The good news of 2026 is that Mars, which in the year prior had all this potential to create difficulty, is in a state of combustion, which means he's weakened. So that weakening of Mars. Mars refers to the workforce. So there's a weakening in the workforce and that we discussed, but it's ultimately leading to the month of June when the planet Jupiter goes exalted. So right now, as we're speaking from October until beginning of December, we're having a sneak peek of what 2026 holds. And whatever your politics are, it's pretty remarkable. The election of Zoran Mandani as the mayor of New York. Young, idealistic, that big smile, that optimism, that sense of all world, family even. I mean, I still can't get my mind around that meeting between these two, the President and Zoran Muhamdani. I mean, that just was so unlikely. Even though probably political theater, but still it shows the kind of takeover by the youth, which is Jupiter.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, that's what happened in the 60s.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

And that's what happened in the 60s, except that this youth is a little different than the hippies of the 60s. This youth has the impact of the planet Saturn, which makes them very, very practical down to earth, even a little conservative, even a little bit grounded. They're very grounded because they've had a lot of setbacks in their upbringing, this Gen Z, a lot of setbacks. And at the same time, they are the hope, they are the future. So we're going to see the youth really come out in big four. So in 2026, especially after June, Jupiter is the planet of enlightenment, of spiritual expansion. And we get this from June on. So even though up until June there's a lot of uncertainty, there's a lot of problems with jobs, especially between February and March as, as there's a big stack of planets affecting corporations, big layoffs coming, all of those problems are there. But we have to direct people's attention to something more hopeful.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's what we're trying to do.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

And that's why, you know, somehow Babaji has orchestrated me to come on the show so we can have this discussion.

[Alex Ferrari]

As you can see, I'm a big fan of Abhiji. It's fascinating because it sounds like it's not going to only be. An opportunity for us all to change, but there's going to be such massive, not only in the job market and things, but it just seems, and I've been talking about this for years now, that these systems are all coming crumbling down.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Systems are coming crumbling down.

[Alex Ferrari]

I mean, they're not sustaining. You know, I, I've said this, and I'm not, I'm not a psychic, but we're overdue for an economic downturn. Like a real. Yeah, I mean, we haven't had one since 08 and we usually had one every seven or eight years.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Big time.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, because it was 99 was the bubble. 2001 again, another little one, the Internet 2008. And then 2008 was a massive. Almost brought the world to its knees.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

But we've. We're late. Yeah, we're way overdue. So something is coming in that world as well. Just economically, historically, that just makes sense. So we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. There's things that are coming that I feel that the next big, I've said this before, the next big economic downturn will basically wipe out the weak in the company wise companies and institutions that will not be able to withstand the storm. 2020 was a big one and it knocked out, knocked out a lot of traditional companies and systems and started showing cracks.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

That is correct. It's also the age of the entrepreneur. So when we look back at the Great Depression, oh yeah, when there were so many people standing in the breadlines, there were a few who rose up.

[Alex Ferrari]

And built some of the best companies.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

In the world, built some of the best companies that created the world that is now declining. And Napoleon Hill, of course, wrote about this in Think and Grow Rich and he chronicled all the great entrepreneurs of the time, Rockefeller and Cargill, Henry Ford, all of them. And now we experience a similar thing. So when there is such a mass economic devastation, it is the entrepreneurs always who rise up and invent what we didn't think we needed, but we actually need. So there is a great turning toward creativity. And that's also related to the one year, 2026 being a one year, which is I can myself actualize. I can bring forth the dream that's always been within me But I was too afraid of losing my job. Now I have to do it.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right. Like we said before, it's because you're.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Forced, as you're forced to do it. But there's also some other things that may be coming that we can't see, which some of us have been hoping for for a long time. Like universal free energy, for example. I mean, the. One of the reasons why we're rats on a wheel is because of oil. Because we're, you know, our economy is driven by a model that is clearly not sustainable for the future and that is going to run out. But we also know, some of us know that there is such a thing as universal free energy. And imagine if we could all tap into that, we wouldn't have to work like we work.

[Alex Ferrari]

You're absolutely right.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

So it's not. I mean, the transition is problematic.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, that's the thing. And if we would have all gotten. It's interesting because in our life, our life path, the universe, our guides tell us and hint at things until it gets so bad that you're forced to do it. I talk about the whisper, the tap, then the sledgehammer. And humanity's path is the same way. If we all collectively would say, you guys, we all need to get off of oil. We need to work on this free energy something. We need to come up with something that's going to be different. And if we all, all of us got together and said we're all, you know, going to do this, if we all decided to do it, we would do it.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

But because there are powers that be that want to maintain their power, maintain the revenue, maintain the riches. There's been blocks. Well, then this is going to happen.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

That's right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Regardless if you guys want it or not. And if we don't, then we'll do something like a pandemic.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And it just knocks everything out and. Or we'll do something else that. And it's going to be really rough. So you could do it smoothly. It's up to you. It's just like our own life path. Like, you want to be an artist? Okay, here it is. Okay. I know your parents told you to be an accountant, but.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

And those 30 years, I'm sure she's been getting slaps and slaps and slaps and slaps and slaps to the point where she finally, yeah, jumped off and she's like, oh, I can breathe now.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

I think humanity is going to have to go. And that's what we're all going through. Because we're stubborn.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Stubborn and, you know, scared and scared. And people control resources and. Yeah, so I mean, there's all of that. So evolution is never an easy path. I mean, it's one of those words that looks really good on paper like transformation. But the truth is, is that it's a traumatic event usually that inspires our collective growth. I mean, the 60s, it was, was the Vietnam War era. So we have this catalyst. In fact, in the Vedic tradition, there's a goddess that rules evolution and she is called Niriti. Niriti means disorder, chaos, Goddess Kali, destruction, endings, which is a crisis. But as the Chinese symbol for crisis, it's also an opportunity. Crisis and opportunity are the same.

[Alex Ferrari]

It always is, isn't it? You lose your job. I remember I was fired from one of my only two jobs that I was ever actually, we were on staff somewhere and I started my business shortly thereafter.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Correct.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because of that. But if I wouldn't have been fired, I don't know how much longer I would have stayed in that dead end job. That's true, because it was paying me well at the time. But then I took a rib like, no, I'm going to start my own. My own part, my company.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

That's right. And that, and look at where that's brought you. I mean, as an employee, what would you have done with your life? You know, so there is a great opportunity. If people look at it as I can make my own thing happen, which is the energy of the year ahead.

[Alex Ferrari]

So as you were talking about when you were talking about Jupiter and Mercury and Mars and all that kind of stuff, and it's the imprinting on us for 2026. You know, there was a voice in the back of my head, I'm like, this sounds crazy. And I, and I say that with all the love in the world. But it, but as you were saying it, I'm like, you know, my logical brain's going, this is insane. And I say that now because there are people listening right now who are going, this is insane.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Well, how we can be connected to.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, like how a planet, its energy at a certain time period in the cycle of its rotation around this sun can set off a chain of events.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

I know.

[Alex Ferrari]

That are connected not only by. It's not just Jupiter, it's also what Mercury is doing. It's also what the moon is doing at the specific time that you're doing it and it's imprinting on you. Like, I get why the scientists run out the room.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

They do. They don't run out of the room, they run out of the building.

[Alex Ferrari]

They're just gone.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

They're gone with this conversation.

[Alex Ferrari]

And I get it.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

It.

[Alex Ferrari]

But there is the thing that's magical about astrology that I've learned because originally, before I had anybody on the show talking about any form of astrology, I was associating it with horoscopes. And like, I knew I was a cancer and right. I knew what my sign was, but I didn't know the depths of like what moon I was under, what different. And I don't know, I don't remember a lot of it. I've been told my sign in my path and my chart a thousand times. But there's certain things that were in it that like, oh, well, you're this and you're this and you were born in the year of, I think the Chinese year of the tiger. But there's another level of. There's so much. It gets overwhelming. But the more you look at it, it's repeatable. It's literally a science because you can predict specifically certain things happening again and again and again.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yes. And this has been recorded. So, yes, when we try to explain the causal relationship between, say Saturn and the things that happen in my life, the delays or the setbacks that happen in our life, there's no scientific way that we can measure that given the kind of science that we have. If we have a quantum view of the universe, then we know everything can be known from within ourselves. And this is the basis of astrology. And it goes back to the ancient Sumerians, Babylonians who made this first connection between as is above, so is below. And they composed the first work of astrological connections like this. What happens above, how it influences below in a text called the Enuma anu Enlil. And if you ever go to London, you can see it in the British Museum. It's all these stone tablets that are recorded over centuries, making the connection mostly between eclipses, but also planetary movements and what happens on Earth.

[Alex Ferrari]

And how do they know about the planets Exactly.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Lee.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. Because we're talking about Sumerian times. There's not a lot of telescopes back then.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Exactly. How did they not only know about them, but how could they predict the eclipses? How could they, you know, how could they predict the movements of the planets? It's really mind blowing if you don't have a quantum understanding of the universe.

[Alex Ferrari]

When I was in Mexico, I was at the Chichen Itza place. Great, amazing place. But I discovered that the Mayans, they didn't look up, they looked down because they had big puddles of water as mirrors. Much smarter than. And our neck thing or lying down, they looked at. And that's how they studied. They studied the movements of the stars and I guess they recorded them.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

Over generations.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Oh, yeah. Yes. The Mayan civilization is also one of the greats for this correlation of as above so as below. I've also been to those pyramids and what's fascinating is I hired the guy and I asked him, well, why did they build this? And he said, well, we needed to know when to plant corn and reap corn. And I said, no way. There's no.

[Alex Ferrari]

I thought that's a pretty big thing for.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Why do you need that to know about agriculture from the Vedic perspective, the invention of the zodiac actually allows for calculation of trillions of years that repeat.

[Alex Ferrari]

The cyclical nature of the universe.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

The cyclical nature of the universe. And we can actually trace it according to the movement of the moon through 27 constellations, we can calculate four ages of time that go through various phases and functions and creation and dissolution over trillions of years that then repeat. Why? What was the purpose? And from the Vedic perspective, it's to trace the evolution of the soul's journey. So just by watching what repeats. And they recorded the Vedic texts, have recorded like the Enuma Annun Enlil from the Babylonian civilization, they have recorded everything that's happened and put them in myth form. So through the stories that repeat along with the calculation of time, we can identify where you are on your soul's evolution back to unity consciousness or self realization or enlightenment.

[Alex Ferrari]

So you literally can. You can track our soul's evolution?

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

How? Tell me about that. Oh, because I could understand the one life I get, the one life I was born at this time and this is supposed to happen. But how do you track my soul's evolution over the course of.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

I know, I know, it's. I'm sorry for the science. They probably stopped listening by now.

[Alex Ferrari]

And then the other thing is too, we're only talking about it from an earthly perspective, right? If you have the belief that your soul does also reincarnate in other realities, other planets in this massive universe, how did astrology work on another planet?

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Well, it's, you know, I mean, that's another question. But that can be answered because from the Vedic perspective, everything is a replica of itself. So we're not the only earth. There are other earths.

[Alex Ferrari]

The multiverse.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Multiverse, right. But how do we track the soul's evolution over lifetimes? Like I mentioned, through the moon. Your moon shows you where you came from in the prior birth. So when I look at your Vedic birth chart, I can see the impressions that have come in from the past life.

[Alex Ferrari]

And when you say you know the where you came in from your past life, are we talking about timing? Are we talking about location? Are we talking about like, what does that mean, timing?

[Dr. Katie Jain]

It has like impressions, aptitudes.

[Alex Ferrari]

But you wouldn't tell me like, oh, references. You were in Egypt and you were the one that cleaned up after Cleopatra.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

No, no, not necessarily that. It's more like themes.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay, so you're an artist or you're a general, or you are this or that.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Or it can also sometimes explain why you are going through certain things that you're going through right now. Like, so if I were to look at, you know, the example I gave you of my client, why was she stuck in that job for 30 years? We can See that she was probably paying off some karmic debt from a prior birth. And the chart was. Would show what kind of debt that was by the placement of the planet. Suppose Saturn in her chart. That would refer to the prior birth and what's cool. So it shows where you're coming from. It will show what you're here to learn and master in this lifetime and where you're headed into the future. But so your birth chart actually is threefold. It's past, present and future, which is holographic. It's all present in this exact moment. So Charles Dickens wrote about this in A Christmas Carol.

[Alex Ferrari]

Great movie. Very sure.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Ghost of Christmas Past influences Ghosts of Christmas Present. Who has the opportunity to change Ghost of Christmas Future? So it's the same thing with your birth chart. You have the karmas that you're born with. And we can see what they are and their timing in your life when they're all going to sprout and what they're going to mean for you as they sprout.

[Alex Ferrari]

So when you say the soul's evolution, you're basically talking about where we just came from, where we're going in the current life. But you're not able to, with this system, go back multiple lives.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Not in the sense of like a past life regression. We can just see what the themes, the impressions are, the karmas, the life lessons, the things that you're carrying with you in this birth.

[Alex Ferrari]

But you also have to be pretty evolved to accept certain things that come in. So like if you and I were having a conversation and you were reading me and reading my chart, and you're like, alex, in this life, yeah. You're going to be a year with a gangster making a $20 million movie and he's going to torture you for a year and threaten your life. You're paying off some karma here. I wouldn't have been able to accept that then. That's not a happy no, but I'm.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

So glad you brought that up because this is exactly what astrologers do. That is wrong me. So astrologers don't understand that what happens when somebody's chart is being read is. This is not a normal conversation. What happens is, for the first time in your life, you are listening to your story being told to you rather than being in it. You're a passive witness, which you're a meditator. You understand what that is. When we go into the witness state of our mind, that is the most powerful place from where we create. And this is quantum physics. The observer Effect from that state of the seer. The seer, in the process of seeing, manifests that which is seen. So what the astrologers don't understand is that the person is in that state when they hear their chart being read. Whether they recognize it or not, that part of you is awake and listening. So when you plant an idea in their mind, like I had an astrologer once tell me that I would never be happy with anything I do in my life. I even remembered it's 30 years later. And that's the first thing I recall. Because that deepest part of my mind latched ahold of that idea and now it repeats. So because of that experience, I learned this about astrology. And I thought, well, what if in that deepest part of the mind we plant something that aligns with their highest destiny, their evolutionary path? How would that change their outcome? So if I had seen your chart when you were about ready to go through this traumatic experience, I would not implant in your consciousness the fear and the I would instead say, this is going to give you an opportunity for this thing to happen that you can't see yet. So when this happens, keep your eye on the prize. See what the ultimate reason for this happening for you. And that changes everything. And that is the real purpose of astrology. Astrology is not a fatalistic thing. It's meant to help our souls evolve to the highest potential. What is the highest potential? In the Vedic tradition, it's liberation, it's moksha, it's becoming one with the creator. Enlightenment, self realization, which is what's happening with AI. We're becoming one with the creator.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

So that's what the value of your chart is to see. Okay. Where you've been, who you are now, and where you're going to put your attention on the highest outcome.

[Alex Ferrari]

And when you said where you've been, where you are and where you're going, that's where the ego, that's where the conditioning, that's where the programming comes in. Like, well, I don't want that. Because I think you and I both in our life have wanted something very badly, and it didn't come out exactly the way we wanted it because something better.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

That's right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Shows up, you know, like, this makes no sense to me.

[Rob Gronkowski]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Why I'm here sitting talking to you makes absolutely no sense to me. I am just along for the ride. This was not a master plan by any stretch. And I started doing a little podcast. Then yada, yada, yada, I launched this one. Yada, yada, yada, we're here. But it's not something I could have ever even dreamed.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Well, that's right. And, you know, so we've all heard about the power of intention.

[Alex Ferrari]

Sure.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

And I've always had a problem with the mainstream understanding of the power of intention because, you know, according to that, I should be able to have and do anything that I want. So I'm five two, but I should be able to be a Runway model.

[Alex Ferrari]

I should be in the NBA.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Exactly. But that's not going to happen. But instead, there's something that is meant for me. So in Sanskrit, the word for intention is sankalpa. Sankalpa means to align with the natural way of things.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's very powerful because I think a lot of us do exactly what you're saying. I, when I was growing up, wanted to be a wide receiver for the Miami Dolphins. I do not have the build to be a wide receiver, nor do I Have the physical attributes needed for me to be a wide receiver for the Miami Dolphins. And when I went to high school football, I realized that very quickly that I was like, block him. He's six, eight. What do you. I'm like, okay. Apparently this is not for me.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

All kind of go through that. Originally, I wanted to. The three things I wanted to be in my life was a priest.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

At first, interesting.

[Alex Ferrari]

First first grade, I was introduced to a priest and I just said, oh, that seems interesting. He seems powerful. I want that astronaut and then a storyteller.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

And you're all three in many ways.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's so weird. I'm an explorer of consciousness. I am definitely in the spiritual side of things. Maybe not the Catholic one, but spiritual side of things. And a storyteller.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

And all of them came together. But it was so fascinating because I never really. Obviously I said I wanted to be an astronaut because I wanted to be in space. I wanted to see space. It's very likely that I will be able to do that in my lifetime.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

But you explore cosmic themes constantly. Hence, I'm on your show.

[Alex Ferrari]

We're talking. I mean, we go deep into the rabbit holes of these things. But it's fascinating how throughout life, there are things that you want. I thought I wanted to be a singer. Sorry, it's a long story. Please don't ever look anything up. But because I didn't know, I was like, I want to kind of be in the entertainment business, but I didn't know. And that was what's presented to me. Learned a lot of lessons there. And then moved into the film world. But you want to be something. And then in the film world, I wanted to be this. I want to be this. And it didn't show up exactly the way I wanted it, but now it's shown up in this way.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And only 30 years later do I realize, oh, so I'm supposed to bring this and this together. And that's why I spent so much time miserable. Many. For many years in the film industry was very miserable.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because I wasn't. I wasn't Steven Spielberg, which makes most filmmakers miserable because most of them want to be.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Steven Spielberg, Ron Howard, Ron Howard, Steven Spielberg, James Cameron, Martin Scorsese. I mean, all of these guys. So you want to be that. And when that doesn't happen, you're just like. I mean, this is a thing the filmmakers do. We all kind of compare ourselves to our idols. So at 23, when you turn 23, you're like, well, Orson Welles did Citizen Kane at 23.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm a failure. 27. Well, Steven Spielberg did Jaws at 27. I'm a failure. And then you're like George Lucas at 31. You know, like, it's just like. And it just kept going until you, like. And now. Now you're at the stage where, like, well, The Colonel made KFC at 65, so there's still.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Exactly, exactly. And. And that is. That's what all of us do. And this is why we get miserable.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Because we. We don't know our own design.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right.

What's.

What's.

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[Alex Ferrari]

Where we're supposed to be aligned.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Correct.

[Alex Ferrari]

So when you're saying where we're aligned, me being a wide receiver, you being in the wnba, not gonna happen. No matter how much we want it.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know, we can start training right now. Not gonna happen.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

It's not gonna happen.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's not gonna happen. So as soon as you kind of. I wouldn't say put away childish things, because those are things that are not in your control. You being 5, 2 is not in your control. Me not being able to be 6, 8 is not in my control.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

So then you have to kind of accept these are the cards I was dealt.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

That's right.

[Alex Ferrari]

And it's beautiful in.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

And it is beautiful.

[Alex Ferrari]

And it's beautiful because it's perfect for me.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yep.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm not supposed to be an NBA star. I'm not supposed to be an NFL star. I'm not supposed to go down those. Those that path. And once you accept that you go. Life becomes a lot nicer, a lot easier, a lot better because you're flowing with what.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

And more successful.

[Alex Ferrari]

Very much more successful.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Much more successful. And people always ask me, do you always share the good news like this? Does everybody have this kind of great path? And yes, everybody does have a great path, you know, for themselves. Exactly. We're all children of God. All of us are ultimately reflections of this magnificent omnipresent being. So all of us have magnificent lives. It's just the. That we don't see them. And that's why we have to be aligned with a higher vision for ourselves.

[Alex Ferrari]

And that's why we bump around a lot, and that's why we get hurt so much. And that's why we have our. We create miserable existence is because.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

Wanting things that are just not aligned with what. What we're supposed to be doing.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Correct? Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know, that's. That's why the. The. The lottery winners that. I'm fascinated with lottery winners and, and.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

How they have statistically, the, the highest amount of suicides happen with lottery suicides, death.

[Alex Ferrari]

They'll lose everything within five years.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Destroys, families, destroyed. It's, it's a rare person who can handle that kind of energy.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

That, you know, it's one thing when you're born with nothing and work your way up and you learn along the way how to handle large amounts of money.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know, you give a billion dollars to Elon, no problem.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yeah, right.

[Alex Ferrari]

You give a billion dollars to most human beings on the planet, it will destroy them.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

That's right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because they just won't know what. It's just, just too much. But with what we're saying, the lottery winners, it was part of their path. They needed to go through whatever they're going to go through.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Well, we could compare lottery winning with God realization.

[Alex Ferrari]

Please, let's go. You know, explain, Explain. Oh, this is good. Explain.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

So you know, spontaneous enlightenment is like winning the lottery. You're not prepared.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh yeah, I've spoken to many of those people.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

You have spoken to many of these people and they're not prepared for the magnitude of that experience. And most of us are not. And so that's why over lifetimes we're building our way up, priming our way to that experience.

[Alex Ferrari]

Is that why psychedelics can be so rough sometimes?

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Probably, yeah. Because a person is just not prepared to meet within themselves.

[Alex Ferrari]

Say that again out loud. One word.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

They are not prepared to meet God within themselves. Which is why the gurus discourage psychedelics. Because there's a process of building your nervous system, gradually accommodating deeper and deeper levels of consciousness and then experience God within.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, it'd be like a child all of a sudden being. Giving a 15 year old. God forbid. Giving a 15 year old a billion dollars.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Carte blanche. Do whatever you want. They would not. If normal adults can't handle it. Can you imagine a 15 year old trying to deal with that? Because they're not ready, they're not primed, their brains aren't even developed 100% yet. So they're not ready. So it's the same thing with spiritual enlightenment.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

That's right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Psychedelics can open the door. I remember it was Ram Dass's guru. I forgot his name.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yes, Neem Karoli Baba.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes, Baba. They gave him a bunch of shrooms and nothing happened. He was like, that was tasty. And nothing happened.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

And nothing happened.

[Alex Ferrari]

Why is nothing happening to you? He goes, cuz I'm already there.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

I'm already there. Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

He was able to completely bypass it did not literally did nothing to him.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

So. But he was ready for that. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. Yes, it's the equivalent of being able to bench £500. If you can bench £500, you could handle £500. You and me get thrown £500. We're dying.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

We're gonna.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, well, we're not gonna make it.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yeah, I could.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, you couldn't even get the ball.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

I couldn't even.

[Alex Ferrari]

And neither could I.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

But yeah, I mean, so we're on an evolutionary trajectory as embodied souls. And so, you know, to speak to that question that you asked about my client, you know, did she waste those 30 years and, you know. Yeah, I mean, 30 years, if you look at trillions of years of lifetimes. Yeah, it's not that much. And everything is an opportunity for growth. That's what we're here for obviously you.

[Alex Ferrari]

Know a lot about the Vedic teachings. Yukteswar, Yogananda's guru, he wrote a book called the Holy Science.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

The Holy Science? Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

That book, he introduced the idea of the Yugas.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

Astrologically, can you explain the Yugas and what the Yugas are? And again, my understanding is it's a 26,000, 24,000 year cycle of humanity.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yes. And I'm so glad you brought up Sri Yukteswaragiri. I love him and his beautiful book called the Holy Science. It's small, but it's powerful.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's dense.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

It's dense.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, it's a tough read.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

You know, readers be warned.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's a tough read.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

It is. But he reframes the Yugas. And so Yuga just means ages of time. And in the Vedic concept of time, it is three things. It's an Adi, which means it's beginningless. It is an Anta, which means it's endless and it's Aparushea, which means it is not created by any human hand. So time is endless, it's cyclical, and it just is. It's not invented or created. It is the one eternal thing. But it can also be calculated. And this is when the zodiac becomes important. Because through the zodiac we can calculate, like I said, trillions of years that are divided into four ages of time. And in each age of time there is an expression of dharma or purpose collectively for the whole universe. What is the collective purpose? And it declines with each age until the Kali Age, which supposedly we're at right now, according to some calculations in which, you know, lawlessness prevails, humanity declines, everything basically devolves into hell.

[Alex Ferrari]

Wouldn't that have been the Middle Ages?

[Dr. Katie Jain]

But that's the Middle Ages. So Yukteswara came along and he said, no, no, all of you traditional Vedic astrologers and astronomers have miscalculated. The Yugas of time, they're actually much shorter in duration. They're 26,000 years in total for one cycle. For one cycle that then repeats. And so according to him, and he really makes a good case for this, that we are not in the Kali Age of decline. We're actually in what's called the Dwapara Yuga, the second Age or the third age of Time, even though it means second, but it's the third in which actually in a more enlightened age. And he claims that the Dwapara Yuga began in the Enlightenment in Europe.

[Alex Ferrari]

The Renaissance.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

The Renaissance in Europe, which makes a whole lot of sense because Europe went From the Dark Ages. The Dark Ages in which people only took one bath in their life. You know, kind of thing. You know, we know about the Dark Ages, and then all of a sudden, there's this age of light. And then along with the Renaissance and the Enlightenment era, we have the invention of these incredible technologies like the radio, television, all of it we are having. And he claims that the sign of the Dwapada Age is energy. So everything is moving toward our identification with energy. Rather than in the Kali Age, which was identified with the physical world, now we're moving in toward a more subtle level of mind. And we're watching it. We're moving more and more and more into subtle level of mind. Virtual reality now, artificial intelligence, the Internet, all of it is putting us into an energetic mind field, which is the sign of Dwapara Yuga. And it's also the sign of collective enlightenment for humanity, which is why Babaji came out with Kriya Yoga right at that defining moment, 1865, I think, with Lahiri Mahasaya. With Lahiri Mahasaya in the cave of Babaji, in which he gives the technology, Kriya Yoga, that can help humanity evolve toward this unity with the one mind, or the unity with the unified field. Yogananda was the great grand, or the grand disciple of Lahiri Mahashaya and created a worldwide spiritual revolution beginning in 1920, bringing yoga, bringing Kriya yoga, meditation, meditation to the west and to the world, ultimately. And that had.

[Alex Ferrari]

And now we have goat yoga.

Sorry.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

And now we have goat.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because we are American.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Because we are American. And, you know, I think this is a thing in science. I wish I had a physicist here to confirm, but I think it's a thing when, you know, we go back to go forward. In fact, I think Einstein said this, that evolution is like riding a bicycle. You have to pedal backward to go forward. So, yeah, so we do have goat yoga in the same world that we have Kriya Yoga, that we have the enlightened teachings of Mahavatar Bhavaji.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, we took the croissant and made it into a croissanguage.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yes, we have a mick.

[Alex Ferrari]

A microsangwich is what we made.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Exactly. So we pedal back to go forward.

[Alex Ferrari]

So that's it. I am in agreement with you. I think the Middle Ages was the low point. I mean, just. Yeah, rationally looking at it, it's pretty. The lowest point in. Because there was Rome prior to that. Correct. There was Egypt. I mean, there was a lot of advanced.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

The Vedic civilization of India, all of this.

[Alex Ferrari]

There was so many very, very advanced civilizations doing really cool stuff.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Correct.

[Alex Ferrari]

But in the Middle Ages, everything just stopped for hundred hundreds of years.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

That's right.

[Alex Ferrari]

It was just. Just, you know, like the holy.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

The plague.

[Alex Ferrari]

The plague. No, my. Was it Monty Python's the Holy Grail? Bring out your dead. Bring out your dead. I'm not dead yet.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yeah, right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Bring out your.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Exactly, exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's so. That was the worst.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Nothing worse.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, exactly. So then the Renaissance came up and now, I mean, you can't at. People will argue like, oh, we're not. Enlighten them. Like, are you kidding?

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yeah. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Comparatively to the Middle Ages.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know, first of all, you and I are having a conversation. Not being, you know, stoned, burned at the stake, drowned, you know, or thrown in prison for this conversation.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Put on the rack.

[Alex Ferrari]

Put on the rack or something like that. That's that, you know, that you were allowed to travel alone as a woman.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

I know, I know.

[Alex Ferrari]

Me as a Latino man, even being able to speak, you know, like in public. I mean, these are there things that were not available to us in our. I think, maybe well within the last 150 years.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yeah, precisely.

[Alex Ferrari]

So I think once the Industrial Revolution came up, things just ramped up. And that's the thing. Other thing I kept, I've said so many times to people over the years, I'm like, why now? I mean, we've been around technically for thousands of years, and this hundred years, 150 years. We have made more advancements.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Than we have in 10,000 years.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

I know. It's so long.

[Alex Ferrari]

Why now?

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Why now? Well, you know, astrologically.

[Alex Ferrari]

Why now?

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Astrologically, I mean, the tree, the fruit ripens and falls from the tree. I mean, it's the readiness of the moment. And, you know, that's why all of this knowledge has come out. Babaji is an immortal yogi who carried this knowledge for thousands of years in hidden caves in the Himalayas. Why did he give it to a householder? He's given it essentially to humanity. Because the moment is now.

[Alex Ferrari]

It was needed.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

It's needed. And we don't know what that means in terms of the Earth. Maybe we're getting ready to leave the earth.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Dr. Katie Jain]

You know, we're, we're ascending from, from this plane. Things can really go downhill before we.

[Alex Ferrari]

Go up, you know, and we are, we are, according to the Yugas, we're, we're in for a few thousand years. But as we're going up towards the top of pure enlightenment, if you will, it's getting better every year. Technically, every hundred years, it's getting better and better and better. So we are becoming more and more enlightened until we get to the top. But then this will come back again, come back down again.

Because.

From your point of view, I look at this whole thing as a video game.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yeah. Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's an ongoing video game. The train is always running.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's just depending on what station you want to jump in on. So as a soul. And now we're going really deep into the weeds here, but as a soul on the other side, and you're like, I need to learn where. When can I go? Where can I go? What planet should I go to to learn the lessons that I want to learn or experience what I want to experience? Looking at Earth like, oh, you know what? Those dark ages look rough. I need that. Let's go down There you need that timing to go into that. Or someone like Yogananda who shows up is like, I'll take the mantle. This work needs to be done. I'll go in there and I'll take all the arrows, I'll take all the struggles because I'm strong enough to do it, and I'm gonna go do it. And this is a time period, but there has to be a game board time for these things to play. You know, Yogananda can't do that 500 years earlier.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

That's right. That's right.

[Alex Ferrari]

He can't. Lahir Mahasaya with Kriya Yoga, talk to him. Talk in the year 20, you know, in the year 100 AD. Is that happening? No, we're not ready as a species to hand. Look, Jesus had a rough time. Jesus had a Buddha, so had a rough time. Yeah, so did Buddha. They all had a rough time. And those were avatars who came in and tried to move us all forward at a time when we were so barbaric.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

That's right.

[Alex Ferrari]

And many would say we are still in many ways.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yeah, we are still. I mean, but we also have this incredible opportunity to influence the whole planet at once. Like, we're having this conversation. I mean, this is gonna be published on to the Internet. Everybody will be able to watch this for years to come. Imagine the impact that these kinds of conversations can have on people. That's mind blowing.

[Alex Ferrari]

And that's new.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

And that's new relatively within the last 15 years, even the last five years. I mean, the pandemic changed everything for us. I mean, you know, Zoom. Yeah, Some of us were using Zoom a lot.

[Alex Ferrari]

Or Skype.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yeah, right. Skype. Video ip.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. Oh, God.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

I once taught a college course on video IP when it was brand new.

[Alex Ferrari]

I had my geocities website up then. Sorry. And my MySpace page was kicking the.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Equivalent of having big hair in the 80s.

[Alex Ferrari]

Or shoulder pads.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Or shoulder pads. You know, so. But really, the pandemic was the opening, the start of the decade that is really opening an enlightened age for us.

[Alex Ferrari]

But it's a painful pass.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

It's a painful pass. And it involves a lot of darkness as well, because we cannot have the contrast of the light without the dark.

[Alex Ferrari]

And is that why we're going through what we're going through right now? There is a lot more heavy, as you were saying, heavy.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

But again, like, what I said about the one free will that we have is the power of our attention. We don't have the free will to change and stop Everything. I mean, we can try. We can and try to end wars and world hunger and all of these things, and we can take those actions. I'm not saying that we can't do that. But the power of our free will is best applied in where we put our attention. And we can put our attention on all of the negative and difficult and destructive things that are happening on our planet, or we can see where they're ultimately leading to will. And I think the power of the collective, if it's put on the higher possibility, it will enact that, it will bring it about. So that's why I feel like these kinds of conversations are really important to have.

[Alex Ferrari]

So we talked a little bit about 2026. It is going to be a year of transformation. It's not going to be as heavy or it's going to be heavy as well as 2025.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

No, I'm really excited about 20 because we've had for the last five years a really rough go. And astrologically speaking, this has to do with the planet Saturn and Saturn being in full power from the beginning of 2020 on. But as of March 29th of 2025, we are having a sort of changing of the astrological guard. And the planet Jupiter is now more empowered than Saturn. So what does that mean? Jupiter represents optimism, hope, enlightenment, a feeling of utopia, the youth coming out, divine teachings becoming mainstream. Right. Like we're talking and the kind of work you're doing, that's why this is starting to take off. Off, because it's time. And 2026 is a year where we really get to bask in some very positive energy. 2027, we're back to normal again.

[Alex Ferrari]

So it's going to be a nice. But there is going to be some. There's going to be some issues.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

The issues, like I mentioned, what I can see, and like I said, I don't have my ear pressed against the wall of God's office. Take what I say with a grain of salt.

[Alex Ferrari]

That would be a good movie.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yes, the story of my life. But from what I can see, there isn't really any big problem, except for the difficulty in the workforce and the effect that it has on people's livelihoods and the economy.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, do you see is 2027 the year that we, astrologically speaking, that the economy is going to finally correct?

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yeah, I mean, because Jupiter is expanded, is exalted next year. Jupiter can represent inflation also. So inflation could spiral out of control.

[Alex Ferrari]

Which would then throw everything out of.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Whack, Throw everything out of Whack. Which, you know, for the last five years, big government, big corporations, big pharma have really held us.

[Alex Ferrari]

Sure.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

You know, they're really controlling everything. But when the economy starts to become unreasonable, when inflation rather starts to become out of control, people can't afford basic necessities. The government and all these big corporations, they all come to their knees. They have to then serve the people because what are you going to do when people can't afford to buy groceries or people can't afford to pay their mortgage or, you know, the whole system, the whole system has to shift. And yeah, I mean, I think that that is what we're seeing.

[Alex Ferrari]

Do you see in the years coming. I've heard the year 2032 is kind of like after that it starts to really start to smooth out a little bit.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

But we have 20, 2030 to 2032.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. There's still those two years.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

There's still those two years. I don't want to be a fear monger, but I wouldn't rule out world.

[Alex Ferrari]

War, but not in a nuclear capacity. Meaning that we would destroy ourselves.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yeah, I mean, I don't know about. Maybe a lot of people might leave the planet. I don't know. But 2030, the end of the decade bring some big problems, perhaps for the world, astrologically speaking. Astrologically. But a necessity for the evolutionary goal.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know what I mean? And that's. You're not the first to say that. I mean, and we can kind of look at the tea leaves, if you will, on this. And it's not like what? That's crazy. No, it could easily, between the players that are on the table right now, it could, something like that could happen. But looking at like World War II, that was our last giant world war that we had that not only shifted, it was obviously the most painful, the most horrific war that humanity's ever put together.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yes, most.

[Alex Ferrari]

More life was lost in that war than ever. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the ship. But with that, I want to say the positive side. But what happened? The results of that war were the economic empire of the United States came directly from that.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

That's right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Europe was weakened because of that. They were the economic power. And then after that war, they got decimated. While we were safe over here, we were able to build up our economic power and military power. So the United States was built on the back of World War II as we know it today. But we also see the cracks on the wall. Now. How Rome did it for a thousand years is beyond me really. Thinking about it, I'm like, wow.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Well, to quote Shakira, my hips don't lie. This time, Africa.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, I've heard that as well.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

This time, Africa.

[Alex Ferrari]

Africa's been kind of left.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Africa comes up. Africa led by Asia. You know, I mean, we know that the western world is in a bit of a decline, but what comes up are, you know, the orphans lead the world. And this is an Aquarian kind of ideal. So, I mean, the hippies in the 60s were right. We are heading more toward the Aquarian age. I mean, not in our life.

[Alex Ferrari]

Great song, though. Age of Aquarius.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

It is a great song. Sometimes if I'm depressed, I'll watch Hair again just for that song and that opening scene. But yeah, we are moving toward an Aquarian ideal. And we're starting to see signs of the Aquarian ideal, which, as I mentioned, mentioned the guides on the side. Aquarian ideal is Egalitarian. It's the woman at the well that's a symbol of Aquarius. And she gathers the water from the well. She returns back to her village home, and what she pours out isn't water, but air. Those thoughts that benefit humanity, that which connects us all, the energetic unity that we all share, and it's brought forth by those that live in the agrarian world. You know, when computers take over everything, where does our workforce lie? It goes back to the Earth. Everything goes back to Earth. 2026 begins with the rising star in Hasta, which means the hands, the hands that create. So this is all going back to these kinds of cultures, which are more agrarian. Women come to the center, which is also really exciting. Women come to the center as spiritual teachers and healers and world leaders, which is also an Aquarian ideal.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's the one thing that people always ask me. Women always ask me. You talk about the ascended masters, and they're always dudes.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

They are a lot of dudes.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's definitely a dude festival. There's no question. But I always tell them, I'm like, well, there's Quan Yin, there's Mary Magdalene, there's Mother Mary, and there's many others that are female. I go, but in the time that they came up, a woman could not do it.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

That's right.

[Alex Ferrari]

It'd be so. I mean, if Jesus was female, it wouldn't have worked. Look what happened to Mary Magdalene. They painted her out to be a prostitute.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Right. But what's cool about Mary Magdalene? I love Mary Magdalene.

[Alex Ferrari]

I love Mary Magdalene.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

I don't even have to go there. It's too much. But what's cool about Mary Magdalene is she has been redeemed. And there is a whole movement blossoming around the teachings of Mary Magdalene.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, yeah.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

And the discovery of the gospel of Mary Magdalene.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, yeah. I mean, I've been talking about her on the show a lot.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

I know.

[Alex Ferrari]

I love promoting. Promoting her mother Mary's teachings. They're not just side characters.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

They're not just side characters, but, yeah. Historically, for many reasons, women have been marginalized. But now, as we're moving toward this Aquarian model, I mean, if you look at all the great spiritual teachers that are coming up in our popular space, I mean, we have Pema Chodron, we have Marianne Williamson, you know, really amazing women sharing truth in a public way, which has never happened before. So this is, you know, as Dickens said, the best of times, the worst of times. And it was the best of times. And it's absolutely right.

[Alex Ferrari]

You Brought up Dickens. I have a theory, couple of times. Yeah, I love Dickens. Dickens, he was also a master yogi in many ways. But the other day I was sitting there thinking, I'm like, is the Christmas Carol like the ultimate near death experience? If you look at the story, I'm like, it's identical to a near death experience. He didn't die per se, but he was taken on a life review and then was forced to. Do you want to go back or not and change your ways? And that's what happens with near death experiencers. They come back and they change their ways. And it was, you know, they were on, on one road and now they jump on another because of the, of the experience. But I thought that was like. I think it might be the first near death experience.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Near death experience. But it's also what happens when we have our Vedic birth chart read.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know, you kind of understand, well, that's a. When you have your Vedic birth chart read is a lot less aggressive.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Ye. It's not like on the operating table.

[Alex Ferrari]

Being visited by ghosts.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Correct.

[Alex Ferrari]

From the past, present and future.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

It's a milder form, but.

[Alex Ferrari]

So what you're saying is everyone should just have their charts read and everything will be fine.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

I, I feel like everybody should see their life from the star's point of view. From. Yeah, from an objective point of view to be. To. Able, able to see. Like, I feel like it's the birthright of everybody to see the greatness that they inherited in their life and what the potential is that they're bringing with them to this life. I feel like everybody should know that and work with that to make better decisions, to lead happier lives.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's like becoming the chef of your own life. These are the ingredients you were given. How you combine them is up to you. But these are the ones you've got.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

That's right. That's right.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's the cards you're dealt. How you play them is up to you.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

That's right.

[Alex Ferrari]

But be, but be happy that these are not. Be happy, but understand that this is the path. These are the ingredients of your life.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

And the more you embrace paprika.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

And dill.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

You might not like dill, but it's. That's. It's one of the ingredients you were given. Then enjoy it. And things just flow.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yeah. Like sometimes I call it like chocolate sauce on asparagus. It's an acquired taste. Sometimes we have those kinds of experiences in our life. Sometimes we have chocolate sauce and ice cream. It's divine. So it's learning how to adapt to those kinds of variegated tastes that life gives us us.

[Alex Ferrari]

And it's varied to say the least.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Yeah, that's right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Katie, where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in the world?

[Dr. Katie Jain]

You can find out about me from my website, drkatijane.com youm can find your Vedic Moon sign on vedicmoonsigns.com and you can read about your Vedic Moon signs in my newly published book, Vedic Moon Signs. Moon Signs for the Soul. How your Vedic Moon sign reveals your reason you were born and how to live a purpose led life.

[Alex Ferrari]

And do you have any final messages for the audience who will listen to them now and in the future?

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Align with your higher self and evolve into, you know, who you're meant to become.

[Alex Ferrari]

Dr. Katie, it's been such a beautiful time with you.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Really. I enjoyed it. Absolutely.

[Alex Ferrari]

I love this conversation and I appreciate everything you're doing to help awaken all of us. So thank you.

[Dr. Katie Jain]

Likewise. Alex, thanks for having me on the show. It's just been so good.

[Alex Ferrari]

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