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Quantum Reality Proven with Howard Eisenberg
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FLASHBACK FRIDAYS: Dr. Howard Eisenberg is a physician, scientist, and educator, with over a half-century of research trying to discover the truer nature of reality and our place in it. Because of his painful concern about the accelerating breakdown...
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Howie Mandel
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Alex Ferrari
Welcome to Next Level Soul, the place where we deep dive into the mysteries of existence, uncover hidden layers of consciousness, and explore the journey of the soul. I'm your host, Alex Ferrari, and every week we sit down with the world's leading spiritual teachers, mystics, scientists and truth seekers to illuminate the path towards awakening. Here, we ask questions that truly matter.
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Why are we here? Where are we going?
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And how do we elevate our lives, our purpose and our consciousness to the next level? This is a space for transformation, a space for expansion. A space to remember who you really are. So take a deep breath, open your mind, and prepare to step into your next Level Soul. Now, if you're ready to take your spiritual journey to the next level, explore Next Level Soul tv, our streaming platform filled with exclusive movies, docs, original shows, transformative series, guided meditations, channeling sessions, audiobooks and deep Spiritual teachings you won't find anywhere else. New content drops every week, helping you expand your consciousness and live from your highest potential. Start your journey today at Next LevelSoul TV. The views, opinions and statements expressed by our guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect the beliefs or positions of of Next Level Soul, its host, or any of the companies they represent. Now let's dive into today's episode.
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I'd like to welcome to the show Howard Eisenberg. How you doing, Howard?
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
I'm good, Alex. Good to be with you. Thank you.
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Alex Ferrari
Thank you so much for coming on the show. I'm excited to talk to you, sir, because I. Your book Decoding Reality to Dream it or do it, But decoding reality 2.0, this is must read kind of material for people, especially if they're listening to this conversation.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Thank you.
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Alex Ferrari
We're. I feel like we're going to go deep down some rabbit holes in this, in this conversation. So everybody be prepared to have your minds blown. No pressure, but. So my first question to you is, can you talk about the abilities that you started to see in yourself at a young age?
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
I remember mostly the sense of curiosity of everything. But one of the ways was also experientially so I was interested as a kid in experiencing in a sense, alterations in my consciousness. Like for example, on a merry go round, you know, hanging over it with my head, you know, towards the ground and twirling, lying on the floor in my house. And imagine would be likewise walking on the ceiling instead of the floor. So I was like playing these kind of, you know, mental games. Nothing, you know, spectacular about that. Just maybe unusual for a child to do and maybe still have the memory of it. But that then you know, morphed as I got a little older into my adolescence, into reading science fiction. I was very interested again in the speculative aspect of science and how I was seeing, you know, within sometimes years of these books coming out which were purely fictional, manifesting in reality, like, you know, the whole idea of space travel, space program, weirdly enough, even the design of the spacesuits and some of the graphics of the early science fiction movies and, and you know, books. Wow. I mean, it's like they anticipated, you know, two way communicators and all that stuff. But back to your question more directly in terms of starting to experience things that are definitely way beyond the ordinary. As I became more curious partly as they through science fiction about the relationship between imagination and reality. And in science fiction, you know, they had things like, as you may know, teleportation, and time travel and things of that nature. I got curious. This is also pre computer years. This is over 50 years ago. I'm 76 now. I got curious about trying to find some serious books on this stuff. And I remember going to some of the bigger, at that time, paperback bookstores and trying to find something. Was somewhat serious about looking at this scientifically. And I found that there was actually a form of science which wasn't well known, called parapsychology, which. Which studies things that are beyond, so to speak, besides psychology as it's normally thought of. And I found out there were some serious researchers, One of which was JB Ryan down in North Carolina. And I went down, actually met him. And so I really started, you know, getting deeper into this area. So I was learning more intellectually from people like him and the literature that these things really could exist. That it was really possible for you to do things with your mind that could be not explained by our understanding of physical reality. In terms of personal experimentation. I would think I was maybe in my mid teens when I decided to start experimenting. And some of this may freak you out. I was a kid. I didn't know what I was doing. Right implies all this is supposed to be impossible. So, for example, I'd sit in the back of a bus or a streetcar. And I'd visually focus on someone at the very front of the bus or streetcar. I wouldn't say anything. And again, I'm talking bus, streetcar, end to end, like some distance. And with the intention that they should be aware I am looking at them. So much so that they'll like, you know, jostle their position nights when you get a little unsettled and then turn around and look specifically right back at me at the back of the bus, not making any sound and not wearing anything unusual. You know, drag visual attention. And it worked a number of times. And then I tried to make it more challenging. Here I am the young scientist. So I would choose somebody who's, let's say, reading a book, you know, so their attention is taken by something. Didn't matter. Then somebody who was perhaps sitting in conversation with someone. Didn't matter. Then I tried showing other people that I could do this. Like in a large, you know, area where, again, I couldn't be heard or to be seen. I could share with someone beside me as a witness. Watch, you know what I'm going to do. Another example was when I became a camp counselor in my late teens. And the counselors found out about my sort of exotic interest and things Parapsychological that, you know, bump in the midnight and they decided to play a trick on me. So the counselors had a meeting room that we would use in our off hours and some of the appointed to just keep an eye on the cabins while we were meeting as a group, before we came together as a group on one particular occasion, amongst themselves, they had decided to play a trick on me. They were going to start what would seem like an innocent conversation about psychic, you know, phenomena, mind over matter, and, and set me up with three sort of tests of, you might call telepathy or clairvoyance. Telepathy being, you know, direct contact with someone's mind, sharing thoughts, clairvoyance being an awareness of something physically remote from you. So a funny thing was they weren't, they were only doing it to freak me out, not in all any serious way, but they did choose three things. I got two of them freaked out. So to answer your question, like it was so innocent things, you know, like that. Again, I wasn't trying to show off, I was trying to explore is it real? And can I have some control over it.
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Alex Ferrari
Well, then let me ask you though, when you went into, you, you know, the, the general field of academia and, you know, they're not very open to this stuff.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
No, they were not.
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Alex Ferrari
How were you? How did you even survive?
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
So that, that's interesting. And I could give you a deep answer that too, in part. So certainly the academic institutions, broadly speaking, were not welcoming such lanes. And going back to the postgraduate research I did at Nuclear University in Montreal, Canada, which at the time was one of the most esteemed university departments of psychology in the world, maybe the top six. And the head of that department was Professor D O Hebb, who subsequently became president of the American Psychological Association. He was renowned internationally and he's the father of what we call neuroplasticity, expression cells that fire together, wire together. He's the guy. And now he had said some years before I applied to do this research there, that he rejected all of the evidence in parapsychological psychic research because he considered a priori impossible. He used that word a priori, like theoretically impossible, and even said in print. And I admit this is prejudice, but, you know, he is very bold about what he thought. So I decided I'm going to do it there. Back to your question. So in other words, I went where you could argue it would be predictably the hardest place to do it. If the head of the department says it's theoretically impossible, how are they going to possibly Allow me to do that research. But that goes back, if you like, to the theme, the purpose, and I hope, the benefit of my book, to turn your vision, what you intend into reality. So as it turned out, and there's a big backstory, which I don't think you want to go into because I go through many barriers the university didn't want to allow me to do. I did this as a double degree. I did a degree in medicine and I did a postgraduate in psychology at the same time. And they initially tried to prevent me from doing that, not just because of the research interest I wanted to do they even know that yet? He said, no one else has ever done two degrees at one time here. So, like, you know, we can't process that. And I had overcome a lot of hurdles for that, in all seriousness. But anyway, back to Miguel. So I did do the research. It was spectacularly successful. So I celebrate amongst ordinary people in various highly controlled conditions because they were so cynical and skeptical about the possibility of this. And just to add a little color to this story, it happened to be Professor Hebb, the chairman's secretary, who was the one who typed up my actual thesis. And I would go into her office once in a while, which was adjacent to his for proofreading, you know, to make some minor corrections. And on one occasion here we're getting to the end of this process. And I was talking to her. He walked out of his office and she said to him, she called out and she said, professor Hebb, you were wrong. ESP is real. This research proves it.
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Alex Ferrari
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Howie Mandel
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Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Now within one year there was a meeting of the American Psychological association, if I remember this correctly, in Montreal. And for the first time he admitted the possibility of these short term telepathy. And then he, you know, went on and as I put in my book subsequently, you know, acknowledging yeah, we can't explain this stuff away, there's too much evidence.
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Alex Ferrari
So let me ask you this then, and this is just a straight question because we talk about decoding reality. Are we in the Matrix?
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Well, okay, so. So in a way, yes, but not the way it's sometimes being put out there. You know, a popular way. So one version of it, as you may know, is that we're in a computer simulation from a civilization of the future. Sure, okay, sure. On many levels. Back to your question. It doesn't make sense as the explanation of metrics, but I will tell you we are in one. And I'll explain why and how, but not that one. We're not in a computer simulation civilization
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Alex Ferrari
of some third of some 13 year
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
old because it goes back to, you know, as I, as I, you know, first couple of chapters, as you remember. The first one is things are not as they seem. And the second chapter pretty boldly is the only thing you can absolutely know. There's only one thing you know but your awareness. So when you talk about an advanced civilization having as a computer simulation and all that stuff, it still goes back to the more fundamental question but where does the initial mind consciousness come from? So if you say they create us and we're not real, so to speak, we think we are, but they are, but how do they have this ability of consciousness? So I think there's so many assumptions built into that aside from computer technology and time travel and all that stuff and why they would even want to do that. But just fundamentally, there's a principle in science called Occam's Razor, also known as a law principle of parsimony, which makes logical sense because what it basically means is the least amount of assumptions is probably the best approach to various situations if you want to understand them. The more assumptions you make, the more leaky it is of noise, of possibility, of error. So that's how I go back to it. I go without making assumptions just based on what we know and all of us can verify. And I try to give those examples in my book of people being able to do it for themselves. Some of these things, that's what we have to have as our kind of, you know, bedrock to base our ideas on. But back to your question on the other side of that, because we are in Silver Matrix, but not, as I said, a computer simulation. It's more analogous to a dream, like a grand dream, a divine dream. And in some ways we're sort of players in that dream to a certain degree. Like the Shakespearean concept, you know, are all but players on a stage, but not like puppets. Because at a deeper level, as I try to explain my book from many different areas of science and some of the old wisdom and indigenous teachings, there's this convergent understanding that we all come from a common source. I use the example of my book symbolically of waves in an ocean. You can look at waves for a while and they're separate. Like you see big waves, small waves, but they're in flux. They come in and out of the larger body of the ocean. So they seem sort of separated. It's somewhat of an illusion in time from a certain vantage point. They're really part of all the same thing. And I think similarly, we are like that. So I think we're in this like dreamlike world created by, so to speak, divine dreamer. So we call it God consciousness. I call it universal mind. Maybe even a better word is just source where we come from. But it's a two way connection. So it's not that we are created like it's just, you know, play things, players on the stage, so to speak. Going back to that, it's a two way connection because we are connected to that source. We can go back to the source, you know, when, when Jesus says I and the Father one, but the Father great and I again, to me, that's what he's describing. Or the kingdom of God is within you. Seek and you shall find. And there's so many, you know, references. Whether we use, you know, the New Testament that many people would be familiar with here in America, or we use some of the more exotic other religious texts or the indigenous teachings. They're all actually converging on the same picture, which is very different than our understanding of reality. And I don't think it's just important, you know, you just want to know things or academically, because I think it fundamentally also explains why life as we know it is collapsing around us in so many ways, so many different ways of looking at quality of life. It is not looking good and not just, you know, now for a few years, but, you know, those who have children or grandchildren, oh, my gosh, you know, what kind of world are they coming into? So I think there's something fundamentally wrong in the way we're living our lives because we. We've forgotten the reality of where we come from and how we're fundamentally really connected.
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Alex Ferrari
Well, this is really interesting because I agree with everything you've said, and a lot of the concepts of the Vedic texts, yogic philosophies, Aborigine, the Great Dream, Maya, this is all the same concepts, just different flavors of the same ideas. But there, from my point of view, from having these, you know, very deep conversation with so many people from around the world, I see same similar things to you. I see patterns of. In very little, if any, disagreements in the core truths. Maybe the packaging is different.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Yes.
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Alex Ferrari
The core truth is I agree. Yes, I would. I would agree and disagree with you on the sense that I feel that things are collapsing around us, because in one sense, I agree with you 100%. You could see it. It is visceral. But on the other end, I see an awakening in people's curiosities to these conversations, to these ideas that have never been here before. And I think the generations coming up are even coming in with awarenesses and ideas that they look at things that my parents did, or, for God's sakes, my grandparents did, and they just go, what do you. What are you talking about? This makes no sense because I have children, so they. They just. They don't comprehend. I know things that we tell them about in the 80s and 90s, they're like, yeah, people did what? And even now, they're like, why? Why is that happening? Doesn't make any sense. So there. I do think there's hope in addition, but from. I've talked to some spiritual. Some spiritual masters on the show, and I asked them this, and they said all the darkness that is being brought up needs to be brought up. So it can be a light, can be shined upon it so we can deal with it and move on and evolve. Is that kind of your point of view as well?
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Well, the reason I wrote this book was as a wake up call to the world, global wake up call. Because of what I was aware of and because I felt so many people were not aware of it and not even having any curiosity to become aware of it. And because I thought there are some critical lines we're crossing in terms of sustainability of quality of life and, you know, there's species here. I had to speak out. I'm a doctor. It was like a call on a different level. I agree with you that there are some people now who are becoming more reflective, more questioning of what matters. Even the pandemic has done that for many people, you know, realizing maybe what they've given up in terms of home life, family life, and even just downtime sometimes, you know, caught up in cubicles and commuting and, you know, so on in the previous life we used to live. But I think it's this very small minority of people who are, you know, having that questioning and reflection. And one of the great things right now with the technology we're on right now with, for example, Zoom Video, is that there's a lot of people connecting internationally who have that deeper interest, who previously would not have been able to come, which is ironic, using, you know, physical technology to connect about matter, spiritual. So I am seeing more, more groups, you know, forming and more individuals joining those groups. But, you know, it has a dark side too. I'm also seeing some people who used to be people I had some admiration for as scientists, as authors. And they're like going down the dark side. They're getting into ego, they're getting into fame, they're getting into being a media personality. And that's the wrong way, the wrong path forward. The issues we face right now, to me, are existential threats. When I wrote the book, the manuscript was completed in the fall of 2021, and I endeavored to make sure it was up to date to the minute before it went out, much more so than most books are. And back then I quoted the Doomsday Clock, which was the alarming short interval of 100 seconds before midnight, which basically means annihilation of life as we understand it on this planet. That was before the Russian invasion in Europe. That was before runaway inflation. That was before some of the severe bottlenecks in supply chain, even for medications, for example.
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Alex Ferrari
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Howie Mandel
The Global Gaming League is presented by Atlas Earth, the fun cashback app. Hey, it's Howie Mandel and I am inviting you to witness history as me and my How We do it gaming team take on Gilly the King and Wallow267's million dollars gaming in an epic Global Gaming league video game showdown. Plus a halftime performance by multi platinum artist Travy McCoy. Watch all the action and see who wins and advances to the championship match right now@globalgamingleague.com that's globalgamingleague.com in partnership with Level Up Expo.
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Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
It was before a lot of bad things, before some of the climatic disasters in many parts of the world. I mean, as you know, your west has suffered a historic drought. There's been historic fires in Europe, historic flooding in Pakistan. I don't want to go on a long list because it gets really down, but that is part of, you know, what's going on out there. And so it's so important for us, I think, I repeat, to be awake to why it's all happening and how it doesn't have to happen. You know, I say in a summary way, in my book, the only way out of this mess is in yes. And it goes back to how at a deeper level, you know, we're all connected or even if you want to go even before we're all that level of total connection with each other and everything we get into intuition and we also get into the richness of imagination. And imagination is the source of everything that we have created as humans. Right? Everything. Yeah, everything.
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Alex Ferrari
And I mean literally everything that's been designed or created.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
But it's so denigrated. You know, I started, I have many different careers as you may or may not know if you've seen my website. So I've also been a Fortune 100 trainer and consultant. One of my specializations was in creative thinking, you know, thinking out of the box, innovation. And for so many people, they're so locked in to just seeing things one way. But it can be taught. That's part of the purpose of my book. To teach people to have more choice of how they perceive things, how they process things and how they act, what, you know, action they take.
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Alex Ferrari
Well, I mean this is one of the reasons why I started this show is to get information like this out there to the masses. And based on my numbers and based on what I'm seeing, there's a lot of curiosity out there and growing by the day.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
So I, I know, but you know, I'm also a physician and I still do, I still have a part time medical psychotherapy practice and I'm hearing patients more and more come out with questions like this. To me, what's the point, doc?
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Alex Ferrari
Oh yeah, yeah.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
And just before we started, you know, our, our discussion here today, a couple hours ago I was talking with a young university colleague who was telling me about her 13 year old daughter who said to her sort of speak similar, but she said the planet is dead, you know, what's the point, mom? So I'm hearing that too, you know, maybe because I'm a physician, maybe.
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Alex Ferrari
Yeah. And again and now, and I think this is where you and I will differ a little bit. I have a little bit more of a positive outlook on where we can go. Hopeful is the better term. But I'm not delusional to what is going on.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Well, but I, I would, I would challenge you. And who's more hopeful again? Remember I wrote this book as a wake up call for the entire world. Yeah. I don't think we have much time.
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Alex Ferrari
Sure.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
So there's a critical window. So I don't know, there's more, more hopeful than I am because I'm already crazy hopeful. So I'm very, the problems. But it's, but it's like I, I, you know, I try to teach both my life coaching clients and my, and my psychotherapy patients to have what I call a half cup full mindset.
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Alex Ferrari
Yeah.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
As opposed to half cup empty. Or if you like an optimistic mindset more than a pessimistic mindset. Well, so I think it's that we can choose, and I choose that. But I'm very aware of the problem
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Alex Ferrari
and I agree with you 100. I think that's it. I'm aware of the problem. But I do choose the optimistic view of life. Where we're going without question. Now, let's get into a field that I love talking about. Which is quantum physics and spirituality.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
What.
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Alex Ferrari
And I'd love to ask you this because you come from this world. What problem does modern physics have with quantum physics? I've heard different. Like they just ignore it. They don't want to think about it. You know, quantum entanglement doesn't make sense. It kind of like throws their whole world of materialism out the door.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
It does.
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Alex Ferrari
So is that the. Is that just like. It's just. It's the Galileo effect, essentially. I don't want to look through the telescope.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Yeah. I mean, the same thing came back to your question earlier about the parapsychological and psychic research. Which I bet you must do in the university. Most people didn't want to consider the remote possibility that it would even. Was something that could be real, let alone, you know, studied experimentally.
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Alex Ferrari
Is that ego?
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Well, like telepathy, for example. You know, one level we could say why people wouldn't believe it and fear it is, oh my gosh, people can read my mind. You know, they know all my bad thoughts. So a lot of people have a lot to hide that way. And we get caught up in our egos. And that's again, part of the problem. When we get into this extreme sense of we're all separate from each other. And the only thing that counts is what we get or, you know, maturely accumulate. Right.
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Alex Ferrari
Because we could take it all with us at the end. He who has the most things at the end wins, apparently. And, and, and obviously that's what we take with us to the. That's why we put two pieces of gold on our eyes to pay the ferryman.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
And yet spiritually, we know that, you know, how should I say, the, the more direct way, the more, if you want to call it almost guaranteed way. It's not attachment not to bring anything with you that you think you need about you externally, materially.
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Alex Ferrari
Right. And, and that's the thing that where. When you get into the world of quantum physics. And you get in the world of modern physics. Materialism versus non materialism. And which is Basically the same thing we're dealing with in life. The materialistic person who wants to, you know, they're trying to fill the hole inside of themselves with stuff, money, power.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Yes, whatever.
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Alex Ferrari
Or the non materialist who is looking inward at and it's starting to open their awareness to a point where they start to see the truth of we are all one and we have to not non attachment. And, and you, and the higher you get into that vibration, the more enlightened you become. To the point where you could become an ascended master.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Yeah.
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Alex Ferrari
You know, as they did as many, as many souls have. So I think the battle in the physics community is a complete example of what's going on in society.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Well, I would even say, you know, in the psychology community. Oh you know, to point out, you know, the myth that the head brain I call it because there's two other brains in the body. As you know, I described my book the heart brain and the gut brain or microbiome, the bacteria in our large intestine. They still go on in denial that there is no evidence to link brain as a producer of consciousness. They go on in denial. They don't even have a theory, a hypothesis of how the material brain can produce immaterial consciousness. Not even a theory. But again, you know, there's practicing denial of reality in this case. And as an aside, just a funny comment about psychologists. So they're, you know, the experts of the mind. Right. When we use tests of creative thinking, we find that as you may not be surprised, it's young kids, you know, several years of age are first of all the most creative at that stage of life. But if we look at professions, one of the least creative professions when we give them these types of tests are psychologists. So they think they understand the mind, you know, but it's the exact opposite.
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Alex Ferrari
But that's ego. It's always ego when it comes to
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
this kind of stuff. And by as an aside, I'm actually starting to work on the second book and it's exactly on ego, ego management. Because I think the critical vulnerability we have that got us in this mess is our difficulty regulating our own emotions, being too carried away by them, particularly fear and greed, which are reigning right now supreme almost around the world. So I think that's really so important to learn how. With my clients I talk about learning to think through your emotions, not denying a denial of them, not trying to suppress them. It doesn't work very long when you try to diet and stuff like that, but thinking through them because emotions can also give you Sometimes power, passion, to do good things, but they cannot think, they are not wise. So we have to use our thinking ability to direct, you know, the energies of emotion. But most people don't understand that. They don't know how to do that. They don't even know it's possible to learn it. And I think that's why we're in the mess we are in, broadly speaking.
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Alex Ferrari
Now a lot of the things that we, this whole phenomenon, all the stuff that you're talking about, this is probably within the last, I guess 2,000 years or so that we have, especially the last 150 years where we've ramped up this ego materialistic concept to an extreme that is unsustainable.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Yeah.
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Alex Ferrari
But if you start looking back at these old texts, the Mystics from 5000, 7000 year, the Vedics and things like that, the concepts that they were talking about seem so, more, so much more evolved than where, than where we are today.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Yeah.
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Alex Ferrari
And a lot of these ideas are starting to come out creeping out concepts like medication, meditation and yoga and.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Yeah.
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Alex Ferrari
And you know, consciousness in general. But a lot of the concepts that you talk about, that they talk about in the Vedics are concepts or even we've been talking about today were is basically quantum physics is starting to figure out or at least starting to or
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
converging with because, you know, as I say in my book, and I quote, as you know, a number of very eminent physicists who have totally moved now into the camp of saying, you know, that materialism is not the explanation of what we call reality.
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Alex Ferrari
Oh yeah.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
It requires the consciousness of mind.
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Alex Ferrari
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And now back to the show.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Can you imagine like admitting it? But, but they have, and, and they're some of the most eminent of the physicists.
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Alex Ferrari
Nobel Peace Prize winner. Yeah, I've had a couple of, I've had a few Nobel laureates and, and nominees on talking about that, talking about the consciousness, talking about how the universe, that consciousness is what is primal. Not primal, but it's.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Well, in a sense it is basic. It's the primary.
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Alex Ferrari
It's. The consciousness is everything. Right.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
It's not secondary. For example, right now, conventional science in the west particularly and the general population, they think consciousness again is produced by the head brain.
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Alex Ferrari
Right.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
So they think again that, you know, material comes first, physicality comes first. We're seeing the exact opposite. No, no, it's consciousness that dreams up the brain, that dreams up the body. The dreams of the material world around us, they can't. The other way around, they can't even
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Alex Ferrari
comprehend that, but they have dreams.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
So in dreams we experience the matrix, the simulation in a way.
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Alex Ferrari
But again it's.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
And then there's lucid dreaming, which I teach in my book. You know, where you can actually learn intentionally. Yeah. To go into the dream world and change how it unravels, whether it's to overcome a fear, whether it's to explore something.
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Alex Ferrari
Well, is, is honestly the reason why. And I have, I have this debate constantly on the show in regards to the reasoning why people are so resistant to new ideas, to out of the box thinking in the, in the scope of science, in the scope of nutrition, in the scope of religion, in the scope of spirituality is because they have told themselves a story that they've constructed in their own mind to make sense of the world. And it's the foundation of their existence. And if I, if I'm a Catholic and I believe in reincarnation, it starts to shake the foundation and I can't have that. So hence I have to defend myself just to defend the story as opposed to being open to ideas.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
So that's definitely one level explanation and probably, you know, the more general one, sure, but, but on a much deeper level, please, you know, as I share my book too, another explanation is if we're all dreamed up by divine consciousness, God consciousness, Source, and as I said, it's a two way relationship. But what's the purpose? Like going back to our understanding in a more popular way here in the west, of God being all knowing and all powerful, why would God bother to create us at all? If God has everything, knows everything, why create us? So we might say, you know, once we're created, he takes care of us or she, but why in the first place create us? And, and I think it's, it's not a. Sounds strange, words are awkward here we're talking about things beyond our words. But it's almost like God consciousness, universal mind Source needs us to more fully experience reality. I'll give you an example of that. You have a face. Now you know you have one. I can see it. But you can't see it right now unless you're looking at the monitor or you look in a mirror. So even though it's your face, no question you know to you about that or other people, society challenging you, that it's your face. But for you to see your face, you have to have some external device, be it as simple as a mirror or electronic display screen, whatever it might be, be able to see it. So similarly. So now it increases your awareness having this device, even though you're coming from consciousness, having this physical device helps you be more aware in your consciousness, right? Then you can see that blemish in your face or you know, grooming your hair or whatever and get your makeup right, depending on what's going on. So it increases in a sense, empowers you. So similarly, us being extensions of divine consciousness and everything, with us there's all these sentient beings and also everything we consider to be part of nature, material world. It, it enables the divine consciousness to have even a greater awareness. An expansion of awareness. Yeah, it makes, that's how I understand the purpose, if you want to call it that way.
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Alex Ferrari
It's a beautiful, it's very. The allegory of the cave kind of exactly explanation of, of it. Because it's so funny. I Was talking to a spiritual master the other day, as one does. And, and he said the exact same thing you did in a different tone or a different way. But he said God created us as an ex. It needs, he needs, it needs us to further understand itself in a way,
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
in a way more fully again, expand awareness.
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Alex Ferrari
Right, exactly. And that we are all connected to this source energy. We are not disconnected. We are like you said, the waves, but we're all connected to the ocean. But it's the false narrative that materialism and society has put out that we are all separate.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Very much so. And coming back to. So they said, you know, you're correct in terms of why psychologically, emotionally we have that resistance to these realizations or accepting these beliefs. But going back to the deeper again explanation of where we come from, why we're here. So our understanding too. I quote for example, Alan Watts in this regard. But other teachers have come up with, you know, a similar description that in a way to make this all more interesting, divine consciousness, God, universal mind. Source puts a certain level of inherent randomness into this. So there's a intrinsic unpredictability of how things will totally unfold. And if there wasn't, think about how boring it would become.
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Alex Ferrari
Free will.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
You know, you may have a favorite series on, whatever. If you had watched exactly the same episode every time forever, it would be really unpleasant. It would not be something at all you'd be attracted to. So in using Alan Watts terminology, it's like God's creating a game of hide and seek. So purposely as part of the design, it's not so obvious we have that connection. And that was part of the role historically a shaman and medicine man, to help people keep that connection, that alignment, you know, with a deeper wisdom. And just like, you know, the law of seven generations, you know, it is teaching to think the longer picture, the bigger perspective. So I think that's part of it, I think is an intrinsic design in reality to mix things up a bit. Well, to make it less obvious.
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Alex Ferrari
But that's free will. That's the, that's the element we have. Yeah, that's the, the, the, the, the moment of like it's random. Because free will we. At any moment I could choose to do something, you can choose to do something. But from, again, from my understanding, the way our lives are laid out, there is probability of where we're going to go. But in many times it could go another way, right. So then I just.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
As in quantum mechanics, right. We look at these so called particles or ways of probability and the best we can do is a probability of where it's going to land and what's going to be. Right.
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Alex Ferrari
Which completely laughs in the face of materialism.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Yes.
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Alex Ferrari
So then I've. I've come up with this and maybe someone else has before, but I said, I asked somebody once ago, so are we the algorithm of God? Are we the code that he is putting out into the. Into the. Into the reality of the universe?
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Yes. Jesus says, I and the Father want these things. I do. You shall do, too. Right, yes. I mean, that's how I actually looked at the Bible. It's coded, of course. No wonder. So many, you know, so many disagreements about what it means. And if I recall correctly, there's. There's 40,000 different denominations of Christianity alone in the world right now. 40,000 different ones. And among them, as you may well know yourself, they don't even agree in the same Bible. They don't. A lot of us just think broadly they do, but they don't at all.
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Alex Ferrari
Oh, God, no.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
And. And beyond that, I don't know, they've understood it. It's coded
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Alex Ferrari
and has been rewritten so many times by so many different points of views and so many different. It's. Yeah, it's. Don't get me started.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
So what. What I liked about, you know, Aldous Huxley was brilliant. And his book, which I probably quote the Perennial Philosophy, is when most of us were, you know, brought up, let's say, with different religions in our homes, maybe fewer coming from atheistic homes, but probably most of us over the years came from homes of some denomination and we were taught by our families, usually we are fortunate, we are blessed, we're in the right one. Everybody else is the wrong one. Some which is wrong, like, you know, just not the right one. Some worse, you know, like, it's, you know, devil stuff, you know, like, they're totally, you know, into evil or misled. And that's how we were taught about it. Like, so we were taught, you know, we have the right one and all the other ones are wrong. You're lucky. I just. Maybe as a young kid, logically, something's wrong here, right? But a lot of people never went beyond that and they still don't, you know, that, you know, we, you know, our generation is, you know, just one of many that has followed this religion and even been a member of this particular church or, you know, whatever.
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Alex Ferrari
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Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
So we get, we get so trapped in those, you know, identities. And Huxley looked at question differently and he said maybe what's in common to all of these is more like the original truth signal that we should be more guided by. And so that's how he looked at it. So he looked at what, if anything's in common. All of these different religions that otherwise don't recognize and don't even agree that religion is a valid religion. But what at the core, maybe they use different words and different parables and examples. But the core, what are the similar things? You know, they're, they land on the same page on, so to speak, they converge on. And it's so enlightening. And it fits the latest discoveries of quantum physics totally. Plus what we're learning again about, you know, consciousness more broadly and ultrastates of
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Alex Ferrari
consciousness totally in, in talking about different states of consciousness. What they're now discovering in meditators, heavy meditators, where they're able to go down to a frequency that they weren't even able, they didn't even know about. It was some Tibetan monks that said, no, no, I can keep going. And it's a completely. And they say that the deeper or the more disconnected from the mind you get, the more access you have to the universal understanding.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Like, like a simple way to do that. And this is very simple. But it's part of what I described in my book when I trigger techniques to play with reality. A simple technique is to just focus on your breathing and particularly trying to change the balance of. We call your air inhalation or your in breath compared to your out breath, your exhalation, so that your out breath, your exhalation is about twice as long in length and duration and time as your in breath. And to play with that for a bit and not to strain yourself physically when you're doing this and then have a little more of a gap between the completion of your in breath when you fully have inhaled and before you exhale, and then have a longer gap pause between. When you fully have exhaled and before you inhale. In that pause between the longer exhalation and the coming inhalations, people can feel some of the depth in just a moment of time. No drugs, no special environment required. Agreed? Agreed.
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Alex Ferrari
It's happened to me. Yeah, it's happened to me. I'm a heavy meditator. So that I, I felt that and
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
I realized that, you know, the ideas I'm presenting are at the minimum, provocative because it's, you know, challenging a lot of them just take for granted. But I think the, the evidence is so comprehensive that I'm presenting and the logic connecting it. And then the experiences, I just give you one just, you know, brief again, reminder of one. If people are open to it, I mean, this does give them the way forward with hope and empowerment from that.
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Alex Ferrari
And that's the thing I love about your book and what you're doing. It is giving people the power to, to do it within themselves. Which is the core teachings of so many mystics and so many spiritual masters across the millennia is it's not outside of you, it's inward. You have to go inward to find the answers. You have to go inward to find the power within you all. It's always inward. It's never ever outside of you, ever.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
I know. And we now are living in an age technologically, you know, with our smartphones. Sure. Where so much of us are almost you know, addicted to, to our attention being outward.
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Alex Ferrari
Yes.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
And I don't mean outward, just like, you know, original environments were out and about. And I don't even mean just our screen because a lot of people, when they're not looking at their phone, they're still thinking about did they get that message, you know, and who they have to message. And they check their calendar. And so even though they're not necessarily even physically operating, you know, their phone or it's not even physically available to them to use immediately is still occupying bandwidth. And that's just one example.
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Alex Ferrari
I'd love to talk to you about the concept of the multiverse and parallel realities because it is something that is starting to come into the zeitgeist more and more with popular movies and ideas. What is your take on it and from a scientific standpoint and from a kind of more spiritual standpoint?
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Well, think first of all, historically, as you know, we've had so many different, very different cultures over the years in so many different ways with their own levels of technological advancement and architecture and agriculture and practices and so on. And they seem like so fundamentally different. And even now, as you look at parts of the world that seems so fundamentally different in their ideologies and their use of technology and how they relate to working with agriculture, et cetera, but it all comes from one source. So when you ask about multiverse. Well, and going back to the dream, you're analogy, of course, we are not the all of it. We are connected to the all of it potentially if we go in. But we, as we experience ourselves with some separation right now, individuality, are not the all of it. And this is not the only type of reality that can be experienced. And it's not even a question of, you know, time travel, excuse me, or the existence of aliens. I mean, right now we potentially can go into a totally different reality. I don't want to blow your mind too much, but we can do it.
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Alex Ferrari
Please, we'd love to blow my minds
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
here because like, it's infinite, like anything you can imagine eventually in some way can be manifested. And you know, as I point out with some very, I think, specific examples, some of the major discoveries in, in science, some of the major technological devices, the fundamental things we, you know, base our so called, you know, advanced civilization on, came and were acknowledged by the inventors and their imaginations totally. So I repeat, everything can come from us because again, these phones are like magic, right? When you think of what you can do with them. And that's why I said like the new alchemists of our era are those who write code for these applications because they're playing with manipulating all types of things. And what are they playing with really? Information, ideas. It's not physical technology that's doing it. And our devices, as you know, in part, they're actually getting smaller and smaller and simpler and simpler in some ways, when you think of what, you know, this would have been a mainframe, perhaps huge, you know, part of a physical room at one point and still wouldn't have had the speed. So the weird part is it's, you know, we're doing these that are more and more sophisticated with technology, but the material base of that technology is becoming less and less evident or arguably required, closer and closer, just coming from mind alone, consciousness alone.
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Alex Ferrari
So in regards to the. To the concept of the multiverse is from a point of a scientific point of view, how is that a possibility? Is there a way to explain the multiverse in a way of being able to.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
So, so here's. And if you like, you can call it a problem or an opportunity. Anything you can imagine.
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Alex Ferrari
Yeah.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Can happen. So if you can imagine a part. And you are. Because you're breaking it up. Yes. And it's not a question of how. I'll repeat, everything comes from imagination. We don't have to know how. The imagination shows us the way.
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Alex Ferrari
Okay, so then let me ask you this on the psychedelic standpoint. And what do you want to talk about? Another realm.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Yeah. Which is getting more and more popular, good and bad today. Yes.
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Alex Ferrari
Yeah, yeah. And. Well, they've finally decriminalized it, and now research is happening, and it's actually helping a tremendous amount of people. Can you explain from your point of view what happens when someone takes a psychedelic?
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Where do they. Absolutely, absolutely. In a few respects. Right. So first, let's start with how should a more conventional, scientific and popular belief that, you know, brain produce, which is not. So it's very interesting because when people take psychedelics, I'm thinking like psilocybin, which is one of the problems out there, but ones like that as well, it actually reduces the brain activity, particularly what we call the default mode network, where I get too complicated neurologically, but like critical, important parts of the brain that we think of that are important for our higher powers of thinking and functioning actually knocks them out. So that's, by the way, deep meditation. Correct. So on one level, my response about what the psychedelics do, they knock out the filtering of the brain. They allow you more access to the greater expanse of consciousness in My one of my areas of work still currently medical psychotherapy. There is increasing interest, as you know, in using psychedelics to facilitate psychotherapy. I think I screen froze. Are we okay?
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Alex Ferrari
Yeah, I'm here.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Froze here for moment. So they're using psychedelics to facilitate psychotherapy. So I've explained neurologically, first of all what's, what's happening contrary to people think that enhances, you know, brain functioning? No, it takes it out of the way. But why is it a benefit clinically for patients in the proper situations? I think it does require a proper situation called the guide in the setting, as they call it. Because when you are under the influence of a psychedelic, even if you have unfortunately been a victim of great abuse, great trauma, have conditions like we call ptsd, it liberates you from that. You realize you're so much more than your memory or what happened to you. Again, you get more in touch with that infinite resourcefulness. And it's not a temporary thing. It's like only when you're, you know, sort of stoned under the influence of these drugs, you feel that way. No, when you have the proper guy therapist working with you, no, you're liberated from it.
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Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show. Yeah, I actually. I actually interviewed a. An Afghanistan vet who came back and he went to. To South America and did three days of ayahuasca. And he had pt. He had a really bad case of ptsd and he came back and he's like, I was cured after those sessions. And now he goes, now he goes to the vet or the. All his fat friends and it's like you've got. Yeah, go down just because it liberates you. And he didn't become like a shaman or anything like that. He's still a military, you know, as he calls people.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Most people, you know, proper circumstances, they don't go insane from that. But if somebody was just wildly experimenting with it, you know, it can cause harm to them. They don't know what they're doing and they don't know when to help them.
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Alex Ferrari
That's the thing. I was talking to a neuroscientist the other day about that specific thing about psychedelics and what it could do. When I spoke to a spiritual master the other day, or you actually spoke into a yogi when I asked him about psychedelics, he's like, you, this is really beautiful. He goes, you're walking into a door that you weren't invited in. And you need to be careful because you also aren't prepared for what happens inside of it unless you have guidance. And you're only in there for a short amount of time. Whereas the yogic perspective is you spend years preparing your awareness to get there naturally. Which is what Ram Dass said, because he was tired of going on trips until he met the Maharishi. And he's like, oh, someone who's there all the time. I want to do what he's doing and be there all the time because. But I. I was. It was actually, yeah, that neuroscientist. And they said the exact same things people think or that. That mine speeds up. It takes it offline, which then. A lot. So that's. Then. Then that begs the question, which is what? Meditation is so powerful is when you quiet the mind and disconnect, you're able to connect to other aspects of reality within yourself. And the yogis have been talking about this and that, you know, meditators and even martial artists who even deep masters
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
do even connect, for example, like going too far off to things like intuition, to gut feelings, to become more aware of them, to value them more highly, that sometimes they're really good cues to what's the right way forward.
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Alex Ferrari
So what? So then we ask you, what are we connecting to? Is it the quantum field? Is it the Akashic records?
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Is it like what is those? Those are all things that are more like things of which we're aware. And like, you know, one of the things I really enjoy too, and you know, some of the ancient vetic teachings is, if you know the expression I gave in the book, the knower cannot know itself. It can only know things outside of it. So we're aware of things. But back to the thing about looking in the mirror, you know, and I'll take another angle of that for a moment. So when you look in a mirror, you see your face and you know it's your face, you've seen it before, and you, if you try to maybe move it or touch it, you know, you see it correspondingly changing visually. But although you know it's your face and although you may be looking right at your eyes, what you see in the mirror is not you. It's a reflection of your face. It's not you. Even though it's your face and you see eyes as you look at it, for example, it's well illuminated. Those eyes aren't seeing you. You're seeing it. Now who are you? Is it your body? And I know, I go through the exercise in my book. No. So when you ask about things like Akashic records, the multiverses and all that, it's all within the Divine Source consciousness, all of it. It's again, infinite possibilities. There is no restriction.
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Alex Ferrari
It's. It's just a. Such a fascinating conversation. I know a lot of people listening right now. Their minds are blown.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
I think we're both crazy.
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Alex Ferrari
No, I don't. Well, if they're listening, I hope they don't think we're crazy. It doesn't matter if they do or they don't.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
That's how I feel too at this point, you know, I. The road is a wake up call. I think people really need to be awakened. I'm coming from a good place. I help people. I share by increasing awareness.
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Alex Ferrari
But these kind of conversations which I have quite often on the show, I just look at all these ideas. This is fundamental stuff, this is just basic stuff of understanding of the nature of Reality. And again, because I keep talking to so many different people from different walks of life who are saying the same things in different ways. It's just pretty fascinating to see this. And you start, and then this is the other thing too. If it rings true to you, then this is for you. Now you are ready for this information. If it doesn't, discard it and move on and live your life the way you know. And maybe the seed is planted maybe five years from now, 10 years. And now you, you. You'll grab it, as many things did in my youth that I didn't understand.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
In my case, I feel I'll say a moral imperative, you know, as a doctor, as an educator. So even if people don't know these things, don't have an interest in it, and even are resistant to it, I feel it's kind of my obligation, if I'm aware of something not aware of that's really critically important to them, to try to find a way, in a friendly way to reign to their attention.
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Alex Ferrari
That's all we can do, my friend. That is all we can do.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
That's right. I say you can't take on someone else's karma.
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Alex Ferrari
Yeah, exactly.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
You can't take someone else's karma up.
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Alex Ferrari
Now, this is something that always fascinates me in the medical community. This is the quantum mechanics of medicine, the placebo effect. It throws everything out of whack for them in regards to experiments. And I still remember talking to a doctor. Yeah, we were, we're doing this experiment, and the placebo effect just kept throwing all my, My findings off. I'm like, maybe you should look into that. And what is. So can you explain to people who don't understand what the placebo effect is? Sure, there's a concept of it and. But also the deeper power that is going on.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Good. Glad to. But before I do that, I'm going to just talk to you about the experimenter effect, because placebos were talking about things that affect us, you know, physically or our consciousness in the form of some type of drug substance that we're given. But the experimenter effect refers to sometimes the unconscious or subconscious biases experimenters have for a certain type of theory or hypothesis. And so they get the results they're sort of expecting. And it's a very serious problem in science generally, and particularly in psychology, what they call replication. When other people try to repeat the same experiment, they very rarely come up with exactly the same and convergent findings. It's a real problem in science. And taking psychology, the replication crisis because of this experimenter bias, even if you assume honesty as hey, this is going to be subconscious now back, let's get just all the, you know, the power of how our mind affects things. But coming back more directly to the placebo effect is just, it's fascinating on so many levels because at one level it's such definitive proof of what they call parapsychology, psychokinesis, pk, mind over matter. So if you are given something that looks like a drug, it could be an empty capsule, it could have just ordinary sugar in it or some other we call chemically inert substance. Not going to do anything to you. But it looks like a real tablet or a capsule or syrup, you know, whatever it might be and is given to you in a convincing way, many people, on average about 30% will have the, you know, so called effect benefit of this really fake drug. And when you give them these, we have to do this actually experimentally. We want to introduce new medications on the market. They have to be proven. One, they have an effect. They have to be, you know, secondly, they're not harmful. And thirdly, it's more effective in that effect than placebos. And most drugs, by contrast, you might think, you know, a real drug is 100% effective. No, it's more like 60 to 70%. We're not even talking about side effect issues in terms of how, you know, why they could be used. So it's not like the real thing is 100%. No, the real thing is about 60, 70%. And there's still issues. I say practicality, placebos coming around 30, 35%, about half of that. And that's in untrained people. Here's another interesting thing about, you know, their side of that. So when they do this in the drug trial process to before they get regulatory approval, when they're giving it to these patients, they have them fill out questionnaires reporting various benefits and potential side effects. And it seems quite straightforward to patients in these things that they're looking for side effects because they sort of know you can get side effects from drugs to some degree. But here's the funny thing. Remember, the placebo is chemically inert. It has no effect emotionally or physically on you except what you expect, basically.
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Alex Ferrari
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Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Many of them write down all types of negative side effects. You know, it gave me a headache, gave me diarrhea, I got a rash. I'm not joking. Yeah, because if you have a negative expectation back to the power of imagination, it can manifest negatively. It works both ways. So we need to be careful, mindful of how we direct our awareness and our intentions because it can have effects not just in our well being.
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Alex Ferrari
And that is what I asked you about the placebo, because it is such a powerful lesson in how powerful our minds are without training.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Imagine if we train people, you know, through imagery and if no self hypnosis and so on.
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Alex Ferrari
So do we control our own reality? Can we design our own reality in, in this world?
- [71:43]
Dr. Howard Eisenberg
To a degree. You know, I, I also use the reference of Shakespeare's comma that we're all players on the stage and in a way, in terms of this, you know, divine dream consciousness, we are. But as you may know, in, in the world of, you know, acting stage productions, usually the characters on the stage have assigned roles and it's scripted in some way and we have the Pack your question. And we have the power to improvise. We don't have to be stuck in that role. We don't have to follow the script. Many of us never question this, but we don't have to. I mean, I myself, I've had several different careers now with them. Quite simultaneously. You're not supposed to be able to do that. Like going back to what I said about McGill University doing this degrees together. That's a long time ago, you know. Can't do that. Who's ever done before? Those are artificial, those barriers. But if you believe them, they'll be real for you. Go back to Plato's cave.
- [72:36]
Alex Ferrari
So then we are. We are all given a part in this life like an actor would be given a part.
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Yes, but we have the opportunity. It's two ways, right? To reclaim our ability to improvise suddenly.
- [72:49]
Alex Ferrari
Correct. So as. So the script is written. But we can improvise the script and we can move in different places on the set. But there is still those barriers. Not barriers, but guardrails in our reality. In other words, you and I are not going to just get up and start to fly. Because those aren't. At least not. We don't think we can, at least. But generally speaking, there are some guide rails, if you will.
- [73:11]
Dr. Howard Eisenberg
This will freak you out, but I. I have played with levitation when I was a kid.
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Alex Ferrari
Sure, I'm sure. Well, I mean, I've talked to yogis who've levitated.
- [73:18]
Dr. Howard Eisenberg
I've talked when I was just a kid. I was just playing with it.
- [73:22]
Alex Ferrari
So it's. It's possible. There's a lot of possibilities.
- [73:25]
Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Well, you could hit the other way around. Nothing's impossible. That isn't necessarily totally good. Because bad things can happen too, when you open it up that way, sure. But that's kind of how I look at it. Nothing's impossible. My first guru was my mother. And she taught me there's no such thing as can't. I didn't realize years later until, you know, I was more advanced in my studies. Maturity. How powerful and wise that was.
- [73:51]
Alex Ferrari
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Without question. Nahara, I'm going to ask you a few questions. Ask all my guests. What is your definition of living a good life?
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Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Being true to yourself? Being authentic?
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Alex Ferrari
How do you define God,
- [74:10]
Dr. Howard Eisenberg
our source? That's from where we come. That's from where we're connected to all.
- [74:15]
Alex Ferrari
And what is the ultimate purpose of life?
- [74:19]
Dr. Howard Eisenberg
To expand awareness and connect with every aspect of awareness through the field of love.
- [74:29]
Alex Ferrari
And where can people find out more about you, the work you're doing and pick up this amazing book. Dream it to do it.
- [74:35]
Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Thank you. My website, which is Dr. Howard eisenberg.com the books available primarily online through Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Chapters Indigo. It can be ordered at bookstores, but generally it's most available online.
- [74:50]
Alex Ferrari
And do you have any final words for our audience?
- [74:54]
Dr. Howard Eisenberg
I thank you all, you and the audience for listening and I hope reflecting on what I'm sharing and I hope after this reflecting even more deeply and being enriched by it.
- [75:07]
Alex Ferrari
My friend, I appreciate you and the work that you're doing in this world. Thank you again for coming on.
- [75:11]
Dr. Howard Eisenberg
Thank you Alex. Be well.
- [75:15]
Alex Ferrari
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Alex Ferrari
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Alex Ferrari
Why?
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Because we put you first. Lower fees, early paydays, financial guidance and service second to none. As a member owned cooperative, we love Washington as much as you do. From the Olympic mountains to the rolling Palouse. Join us and discover how much we care about your financial well being. Because what we really do best is invest in you. Visit wsecu.org today to learn more. Washington let's credit union
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