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NFL Cover Zero: Draft Week and Round 1 Mock Draft
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Matt Jones
with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin is a production of the NFL and iHeart podcast Foreign. Welcome everybody. It has been a while. It is Cover Zero, a new episode. It's your NFL draft preview episode and I'm excited to be here. The draft is one of my favorite days of the year from a sports perspective. I think it's just since I was a kid, I wanted to be. It was like my internal goal of being a gm. I think I knew as a kid I could not be a player, but I felt like I could pick a team. And this is the. I think the NFL draft is the best draft because you can actually build a team, you can watch it develop and it's there. There are are gems to be found throughout. And my co host, Drew Franklin has had a baby. He has been the general manager of a new family, except this time the choice was made for him as to who would be on his squad. So congratulations, he has a new daughter, Avery Rose Franklin. So please send your congratulatory messages and, I don't know, toys to Drew Franklin. Billy is here. He's going to do the draft preview with me while Drew is with his young daughter on paternity leave. Billy, are you excited for the draft?
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Billy
I'm very excited. First of all, very happy for Drew and Abby and Avery. Unfortunately, that that girl's gonna have to be a Titans fan, so that'll be
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Matt Jones
a life of misery.
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Billy
Yeah.
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Matt Jones
No, I don't know, maybe they've turned it around.
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Billy
Well, they could be making a big selection here soon with the fourth overall pick. But yeah, excited about the draft. I got to go to the one in Tennessee a few years ago and man, just a swarm of people. They really make it into an event like any Pittsburgh this year, the city of Bridges.
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Matt Jones
Also, you might be watching this on a video. You may note that after a year it looks Like a show. That's right. After a year of camera work that seemed to try to exist to make me look as horrible as a person could look, now we have cameras that light us, that make it look like we're actual human beings. Billy, I feel like in year two, cover zero is about to hit the moon.
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Billy
Yeah, I really don't know what to do with my hands with these fancy cameras. They are so nice. And like professional TV lighting in this
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Matt Jones
room, look at this lighting that's right on here. Look at these cheeks.
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Billy
Well, we still might zoom in on your face, just for old time's sake.
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Matt Jones
So one of the things that happens in draft season, of course, is mock drafts. They go on, you know, as soon as this draft will be over, they'll be mocking the next draft. And I'm a sucker. I read them all. But I've had a theory for a long time, Billy, about the NFL draft that I don't think you need to do any prep work.
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Billy
None.
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Matt Jones
None. I think teams. Now, this is a very controversial theory. So far, no one has agreed with me on. I think teams should just get rid of their scouting department and just base their decisions on collective intelligence. Now, this sounds stupid, but I'm actually being serious. There are studies, Billy, that showcase that if that in regular business hiring, that interviewing people actually makes you make worse decisions, that using creating objective standards is actually the best way to do it. Because when you interview people, personal connections that may have nothing to do with the job at hand in your mind become more important and you give more credit to your intuitive knowledge than objective facts. And so they did some studies that showcased in various businesses what the difference would be between someone that interviews every candidate and someone who just hires based on resume. And they found that, generally speaking, over time, if you only hire based on resume, you actually long term will have better performance.
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Billy
Okay, so looking at the numbers, instead of getting attached to what somebody might
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Matt Jones
say, because you might get ingested, because we have a natural inclination to favor people that are like us. Maybe they're well dressed, maybe they make you laugh, maybe you're attracted to them. Maybe you are have some sort of bias in your head because, like, you're wearing a generic NFL hat. So what could.
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Billy
You know, it's great to put this hat back on before the show today
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Matt Jones
so that basically you control your bias by not interviewing them. I remember reading this study four or five years ago and I thought, well, why wouldn't that apply to sports, right? We have objective measurements production in college. You know, if you believe in combine tests, etc. And then they always interview the people. And oftentimes when they're picked, the guy will go, you know, they came in here and they just blew us away on the interview. And then I often wonder if down the road it's just like, well, you like the guy.
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Billy
So you don't care about personalities on your team. You care about production. It's like almost a money wonder what
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Matt Jones
would happen if all you did was take all these mock drafts, Just pick based on them, get rid of your scouting department. Because the mock drafts are essentially collective intelligence. Right, right. And then go that way.
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Billy
Take the bias out of it. Right.
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Matt Jones
Take the. It's like, remember who Wants to Be a Millionaire? Of course, the most successful help on who Wants to Know your bear was poll the audience. They did a study. You were more likely to get it right if you polled the audience than if you phoned a friend. Then if you 5050, pull the collective intelligence. So do it with the draft.
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Billy
I like the idea. I also like the idea of you being on who Wants to Be a Millionaire. I think you do pretty good at that.
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Matt Jones
I would. Although I would take the money. People don't realize how stupid they are when they guess for some of this stuff.
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Billy
Yeah, yeah.
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Matt Jones
I mean, you should always take the money, in my opinion.
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Billy
Take the money.
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Matt Jones
But so. So in some ways, this draft that we're going to do here is the collective intelligence mock. Mock draft.
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Billy
I like this.
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Matt Jones
We are doing this. Bill, you would acknowledge you are not a Kuiper. You're not even a Mick Shea, not
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Billy
in the same realm of these guys.
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Matt Jones
You are not a Jordan Reed.
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Billy
A Daniel Jeremiah.
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Matt Jones
A Daniel Jeremiah, you are a Billy.
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Billy
Our sports, there's only one of them.
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Matt Jones
And thus we don't have intrinsic knowledge about these players. But I'm going to make a guess that when it's all said and done, our mock draft of the first round we're going to do today will be more accurate than a lot of these other people's mock drafts because we're using the collective intelligence of a lot of mock drafts.
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Billy
And then do we have to see how it plays out five years later?
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Matt Jones
We're going to do it. We'll judge it after the draft.
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Billy
Okay.
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Matt Jones
And then you are assigned to five years from now, no matter where you are in your life, come back and see if we did a good job. Yeah.
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Billy
Sorry, boss. I'm working on looking back at the 2026 NFL Draft.
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Matt Jones
Yes, but you're a vacuum cleaner salesman now.
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Billy
Wow, we really went Downhill, didn't we? No offense to vacuum cleaner salesmen.
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Matt Jones
Still vacuum cleaner salesmen.
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Billy
There's got to be somewhere.
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Matt Jones
You know, when I was a kid, they would come to your house.
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Billy
No, they come to the house. Like the milkman.
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Matt Jones
Yeah. Did this. Did you all never have this? When I was a kid, you get a knock on the door. There'd be a man, and he'd go, may I speak to your parents? He'd say, yes. They come the door and they go, I'm.
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Billy
Blah, blah, blah.
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Matt Jones
I'm from the Hoover Vacuum Company. We would love to do a special demonstration of our vacuum. And if they invited you, if you invited them in the house, they would then, like, put stuff on your carpet, vacuum it up. It would look amazing. And then you would buy a vacuum
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Billy
that would probably be pretty convincing for me to come into my home and then just clean it right there. Kind of like Tupperware, too.
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Matt Jones
Let me tell you something. I distinctly remember. My parents bought both vacuums and encyclopedias from traveling sales.
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Billy
So it worked.
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Matt Jones
It worked. And back in the day, before, like, especially worked in small towns, because before the Internet, where else were you going to get an encyclopedia?
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Billy
That's right.
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You know what I mean? Or a vacuum cleaner.
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Billy
And they're in town, Right.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, There's. I mean, there are. There are stories about men who traveled the country just getting women pregnant and selling vacuum cleaners.
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Billy
Is there? Yeah. Extracurricular. After the vacuum demonstration.
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Matt Jones
I don't think those two things, like, were intentionally together. There's a man on the road.
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You know, Find love much easier to have a second life when you're not. I think there's a song by cell
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Matt Jones
phone by Tanya Tucker called I Wish I'd Known the Man a Little Better that Turned My Mama On.
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Billy
That's a song.
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Matt Jones
I think it is. It's called Wish I'd Known the Man A Little Better to Turn My Mama On. And the premise of it was he was a vacuum. Well, he was. He actually sold assorted greeting cards.
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Matt Jones
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Billy
I'll have to research that.
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Matt Jones
How did I get off on that?
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Billy
I don't.
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Matt Jones
That doesn't. What does that have to do with the mock draft? Anyway, so, vacuum cleaner salesman, let's get started. All right, I'm going to let you go first, and we will alternate back and forth on who we think is going to get picked. So the Las Vegas. Las Vegas Raiders are on the clock. Who are you taking?
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Billy
Yeah, well, they got a lot of needs, receiver, O line, defensive line, defensive back. But I think this is a no brainer. The best quarterback in the field, Fernando Mendoza seems like will be our number one pick and the number one pick in Pittsburgh here.
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Matt Jones
Do we think he's going to do well? I mean there are people who say if he was in that draft with Caleb Williams, he would have been like the fourth or fifth quarterback pick. Now he's the number one overall pick. Plus he seems like a very kind of Johnny Good guy, but he's going to go to Vegas.
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Billy
I'd be worried about him. But the Raiders made a big move signing Kirk Cousins to a deal so that maybe that gives him patience.
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Matt Jones
Here's the thing, I didn't understand why they did that.
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Billy
Why?
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Matt Jones
I mean, don't you just want to put him on the field?
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Billy
No, no. You got to give him time to develop.
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Matt Jones
No, but the number one pick play has got to play. He's the number one pick. You got to put him on the field.
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Billy
Yeah. I don't think the Raiders expect to make the playoffs.
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Matt Jones
And when's the last time a number one overall pick has not played right off the bat?
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Billy
So that's a great question.
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Matt Jones
I mean they always play. Cam Warren played, you know, Caleb Williams played.
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Billy
Well, that, that's been the trend. Right. The expectations have changed with these first.
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Matt Jones
So you wouldn't start him?
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Billy
No, not all year. Or at least I'd try not to.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, I'm, I mean I, I think
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Billy
if you go, would you pick him though? Like you think he's the number?
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Matt Jones
I mean if I'm the Raiders and I don't have a quarterback for the future, you don't know what's going to happen next year. You don't know what the, I mean there are people who think next year might be a loaded quarterback draft. But if you believe in him. Yeah, I think you go ahead and pick him. I mean, I, I, I don't think he's going to fail. Right. I don't know if he's going to be great, but from what I've seen of that kid, I just don't see him failing.
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Billy
Well, Tom Brady's making the decisions at least probably most of them.
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Matt Jones
He probably knows something about quarterback.
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Billy
Right. So maybe we trust his intuition there.
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Matt Jones
Yeah. All right, so now I'm up. It's the New York Jets. They have two high picks. This is apparently a debate between David Bailey of Texas Tech and Arvel Reese of Ohio State Arvale, good mountain name. Could been from Harlan County. Good old. So, I mean, this is like a classic production versus potential debate.
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Billy
Yeah. In the. In the prefer production or potential production. I'm not going to put a defensive edge on the bench in year one, so they need to produce as soon as they come out.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, I'm going to go ahead. I'm going to take David Bailey. I think he tied the. Led the college football and pressure last year. He tied in sacks. He played for Texas Tech. So unlike the Ohio State guys who had a lot of people to sort of share the load with, he's got the load. If I'm the Jets, I don't want to have someone fail. I'm gonna go ahead and take David bailey.
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Billy
Yeah. Jets 31, 31st in sacks last year. Didn't have an interception the entire year, so this could go a long way. Yeah. Not one intercept.
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Matt Jones
Oh, the Jets. I thought you meant Texas Tech. Yeah, they never did get one. I'm going to be excited for Aaron Glenn when they get one.
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Billy
Is he going to dance down the sideline again?
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Matt Jones
That's his position. He's got to be like, I could get one.
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Billy
You come in as a defensive coach and you don't have an interception all year. That is.
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Matt Jones
That's got to be hard.
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Billy
It's an indictment.
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So now. So he's off the board. All right, so let's go Europe with the Arizona Cardinals.
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Billy
Yeah. They really need a quarterback. There's just not one here for them right now. And you don't want to. You don't want to jump it too much. Adam Schefter saying that Jeremiah Love could be in play for this pick, but I think Arizona needs a pass rusher and Averell from Harlan really could Arville. Arville could really not Averil.
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Matt Jones
It's our veil.
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Billy
I do want to get it right. Ohio State has some really good pieces in the draft this year. I think they go defensive ed in Arville.
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Matt Jones
You look at these top 10 guys and you're like, how is Ohio State not better?
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Billy
Right?
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Matt Jones
I mean, Ohio State is projected to have like three of the top 10 and something like five of the top 17. It's like they should have. I know they were good, but like, how did they lose Indiana? Because Indiana has Mendoza and no one else.
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Billy
Well, yeah, you remember the. The year they won the title. Ryan Day, he was on the hot seat like that entire year. And so even after they won, they weren't.
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Matt Jones
So you're taking good Orville. Good boy, Arville. Mom took Mom. Mom raised him right. Tennessee Titans go fourth. I'M gonna. I'm gonna follow what. What everybody's doing so far. I'm gonna take Jeremiah Love. It's way too high to pick a. Are you keeping track?
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Billy
Yeah, I got it.
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Matt Jones
It's way too high to pick a running back, but it's what the Titans need. You know, get a little excitement, he and Cam Ward. I'm going to go ahead and take him. Go get Jeremiah Love.
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Billy
I. I mean, I think it is high. Obviously, he'd be the first running back drafted in the top five since Saquon in 2018, but he was worth it. He was. So you could see the value there. I don't. You know, they need a lot of positions, too, but Cam Ward and Jeremiah Love can really get, you know, fans excited for when they enter that new stadium in the following year.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, I mean, listen, is it. Is it a stretch? Possibly, but I think it's a stretch that's. That's worth doing. All right. Fifth pick. Who you. It's the Giants. Who you got there, Billy?
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Billy
Yeah, I. I'm kind of looking at Ohio State again. Surprise. While I like Carnell Tate, I think he's the best receiver in this draft. And they could use another weapon for Jackson. Dart along with Malik Neighbors. I really like Caleb Downs, the safety out of Ohio State.
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Matt Jones
Oh, you're going to take Caleb Downs here?
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Billy
I'm taking him at five. Is that. Is that a bit of a jump?
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Tab Ramos
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Matt Jones
I mean, I just hadn't seen a lot of people projecting him there. But you know what? This isn't about projections. This is about what we think they should do.
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Billy
That's right. And that was a guy that was a playmaker all year long. They were calling him a top five pick since the very beginning. He lived up to that hype. So I think he's a. An Eric Barry type. I think you can go around the field and be the fifth pick.
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Matt Jones
Do you remember the Eric Barry song?
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Billy
I don't know. No, I don't think so.
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Matt Jones
For the Chiefs, it was like. It was like a rap. And he was like, eric Barry, you so scary.
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Billy
I like. I like, look it up. Okay. We'll see if we can find it.
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Matt Jones
I want you to look it up. I don't know if you'll be able to play it on here, but there is an Eric Barry song. Do you see it on there?
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Billy
Not yet. I spelled Berry wrong.
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Matt Jones
Unfortunately, if you spell it incorrectly, it'll be harder. Like, that's not a type of fruit, the Eric Berry.
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Billy
Okay. Low life.
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Matt Jones
That's a highlight realm yeah right here it would go. Eric Berry Eric you so scary so just thought I'd give you that information.
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Matt Jones
All right, I like your pick of Caleb Downs. Dowie number six is the Cleveland Browns. There's been a lot of speculation that this could be a trade potentially to the Cowboys. Especially if in your if in your mock here that Sunny Styles was available. I'm going to assume they don't make the trade at which point Cleveland would would pick and I think at that point they will pick I think they'll
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Billy
pick another team that needs a quarterback.
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Matt Jones
That's just they do but they're not going to pick them. I think they're going to go offensive line. I'll take Francis Francis from off Miami
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Billy
the offensive tackle Moenoa.
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Matt Jones
What?
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Billy
Moenoa. You know that I looked up for the show started because I this is
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Matt Jones
what good producers do. Francis Moenoa.
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Billy
That's right.
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Matt Jones
I'm going to read you for a second on Franc Francis Moe Noah what the people are saying. First of all we're going on Daniel Jeremiah's board. We're going way where does he doesn't even have Francis Moenoa Getting picked at all.
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Billy
He doesn't. Well, the number one interior offensive lineman ought to be picked in the top 10.
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Matt Jones
How does he not? What's he got against. Oh, there he. No, he hasn't gone fifth. Okay, sorry. Peter Schrager with Francis Moenoa. He says Jackson Dart is already close with him and he will be the first. So if, if Jackson darts already close,
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Billy
give me Francis Moyno and the Giants have another pick in the top 10.
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Matt Jones
Why did I say Jackson Dar. I'm sending him to Cleveland. But it would be nice that he knows Jackson Dart.
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Billy
Todd Monkin, new Browns coach. Gonna need somebody at least.
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Matt Jones
At least he knows Jackson. That should help him in Cleveland. All right, number seven. Watch the commanders who you got threw me off too.
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Billy
I think this is a no brainer. I think they've got to go receiver.
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Matt Jones
Oh, you do? Okay. I actually thought. Never mind.
- [25:36]
Billy
No, even with Sonny Styles falling, I think.
- [25:38]
Matt Jones
I thought this would have been exactly where Sonny Styles would end up.
- [25:41]
Billy
I think Carnell Tate is somebody that they can pair with. Jaden Daniels, Terry McClure and older receiver Luke McCaffrey ain't doing much and Traylon Burks is. Is a name of Titans past. I think it's a little bit of a reach here, but give me Carnell Tate, number seven.
- [25:57]
Matt Jones
Well, you've got. That's what Mel Kuiper has. I mean that's like a fit, right? If you're the commander, you're picking him there because it's a fit. It's probably a little bit of a reach in terms of where he's. Although, you know, I've seen him up as high, sixth on people's best players available list. So I can respect it. Which gets me to New Orleans at number eight. Well, somebody's got a slip here, especially if you're going to get tape there. I've not seen one mock draft where they don't have Ruben bang going to go in here to New Orleans. So even though Sonny Styles, he'll be the guy that slips and I'll say Reuben Bain out of Miami. A lot of people who are casual NFL draft fans will remember Ruben Bane because he played so well during the. The playoff last year.
- [26:47]
Billy
That's right. Miami. A heck of a year for them. But that means the Chiefs are going to ultimately get this guy.
- [26:53]
Matt Jones
Well, I think the Chiefs are sitting there. They're hoping that Francis Molly Goa yes. Goes in the top eight because no matter what, they end up with a star right here. They would either end up with Carnell Tate As a receiver, which I think they would gladly sign up for. Or they get Sunny Styles. Right, right. So they're just hoping somebody jumps them, in my opinion. So one of those two. One of those guys gets to them
- [27:21]
Billy
and while they want to reload Travis Kelsey aging. How many years does he have left?
- [27:25]
Matt Jones
Are you glad he's coming back?
- [27:29]
Billy
I don't know. I'm kind of over it all, honestly. The Taylor Swift, Travis, I mean, we. They had their fun. I felt like it was their fun. It was every episode we were bringing it up every game. Alluding to Taylor Swift during the Chiefs games. It's just a little much. Let's get back to football. You know,
- [27:47]
Matt Jones
you want to get back to.
- [27:48]
Billy
I want to get back to football.
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Matt Jones
Okay.
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Matt Jones
So with Carnell, you think they would take Sunny Styles or do you think they would take Jordan Tyson, the wide receiver from Arizona State? That everybody has had them projected here for a long time.
- [28:00]
Billy
Easy time to overthink it like you think most GMs do. But I think they take place player available and they do go Sonny Styles and they have a beast on the defensive side. But I feel like the Chiefs owe it to Mahomes to go get an offensive guy eventually.
- [28:14]
Matt Jones
Yeah. All right, so then that gets us to number 10. And I. I think the Giants probably traded up here to get an offensive lineman. But if they're sitting there, I mean, I think if they're sitting there and you're the Giants and you've already picked it five and offensive lineman or excuse me, what do we have as five
- [28:34]
Billy
downs actually is defense downs.
- [28:36]
Matt Jones
Okay, then I'm gonna take Jordan Tyson here from the Giant. I'm going to take a receiver for Jackson Dart and I'm going to. I'm going to go with him. I think that's the smart pick if that happens.
- [28:47]
Billy
I think that's where I was going to go with the next pick in Miami. So they're going to have to pivot a little bit here.
- [28:52]
Matt Jones
I like giving Dart a weapon. You know, he. Last year a lot of his weapons got hurt. Have a young guy for him to grow with. I mean, now you've given him. You know, he's sad because his friend went to Cleveland and Francis.
- [29:09]
Billy
Well, Wandell left. Schefter said that OBJ was in the building today, so he might be a possible signing if that guy is still going to play.
- [29:18]
Matt Jones
But if you can get Jordan Tyson and you can for the next five years have that as your 1, 2. It's hard for me to know What? Jordan Tyson. Because he played at Arizona State, and I know they were good two years ago, but I. I haven't seen him enough to know, and he has not played against those elite SEC Big Ten defenders.
- [29:35]
Billy
You might like this detail, though. The Giants GM made the trade right after he left Arizona State pro day.
- [29:42]
Matt Jones
Well, I mean, act like I didn't know that. Why do you think I picked.
- [29:45]
Billy
So maybe they. Mario, he had this in mind.
- [29:48]
Matt Jones
I don't. I'm not as dumb as I portray. I had a. I had a spot. The Arizona workout facility.
- [29:54]
Billy
Is that right?
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Matt Jones
Who. Who gave me that information? All right, so did you like the trade, by the way, of Dexter Lawrence? Did you like the Bengals pulling them, Pulling it there?
- [30:04]
Billy
I do like Cincinnati going all in. That's just a franchise that doesn't do that often. I think they realize that they lose this year. There's going to be a lot of questions with Joe Burrow and if he wants to stay. So this immediately gives them an impact player on the other side of the ball. So, yeah, I do. He's a proven commodity, and they signed him to extension. So that's three years of Dexter Lawrence.
- [30:23]
Matt Jones
Three years of Dexter Lawrence. All right, so now we're going to get to the Miami Dolphins. I stole your player by taking Tyson. So who you take?
- [30:32]
Billy
Yeah, so I think if they're not going to have Tyson available, I don't know if they're going to go to the USC receiver yet. So I think that they might go defensive back, they might go defensive edge. This is all my stalling to try to figure out who to pick here, but I may go the corner out of lsu. Matt Mansour. Delane. Yeah.
- [30:52]
Matt Jones
I'm going to read you a Daniel Jeremiah says okay. Mansoor Delaney is one of the most consistent players in the draft class. He makes everything look easy. He's loose and fluid, but when he's attacked, he can locate and make plays on the ball. There's just something I think. I don't know if Jeremiah was, like, being saucy when he said he was loose and fluid, but it felt like it. And I was like, man, sore. Loose and fluid. I like it.
- [31:20]
Billy
Can you imagine that Pro day?
- [31:24]
Matt Jones
Oh, can I? All right. The 12th pick in the draft is the Dallas Cowboys. Now, if there's one thing we know about the Dallas Cowboys, they want to a. Like a name, right? They want to start. The problem is pretty much all the big names have been taken right here. So I don't really know. None of these feel like Cowboys picks. You know what I mean?
- [31:53]
Billy
Yeah, no, there's not. I mean, after the top 10, and this is maybe why the, The Cincinnati Bengals made that move, is that it's, It's.
- [32:00]
Matt Jones
You know, I think it's wide open as to who you take after these. I'm going to say, you know, they like to go receiver because they like to make a splash. They have good receivers and that feels like the kind of thing they would do, even though they don't really need a receiver.
- [32:20]
Billy
Yep.
- [32:23]
Matt Jones
Yeah.
- [32:23]
Billy
Jerry's still making those decisions, Matt.
- [32:25]
Matt Jones
He is. Right. You know what I'm going to say they actually do something smart and they take Spencer Fano, the offensive lineman at Utah. They say, you know what? Let's. Let's go against our normal, always getting a splash, and let's take a Utah offensive lineman. The least sexy pick possible.
- [32:45]
Billy
I mean, I don't see Jerry Jones doing that. That would make a lot of sense. I mean, Dallas's O line used to be one of the best in the NFL a few years ago, and when
- [32:53]
Matt Jones
they were good, that's what they did. So they should rebuild it. I like it. All right. What's 13?
- [32:59]
Billy
13 is the Los Angeles Rams, and that's a no brainer, I think, to me, if you're going to leave me Lemon, the receiver from usc, I think he.
- [33:07]
Matt Jones
I mean, he doesn't even. He literally could stay in the same apartment.
- [33:10]
Billy
That's right. And I mean, Puka Nakua just took a huge jump last year and Devonte Adams is still doing his thing.
- [33:16]
Matt Jones
When did Puka Nakua become like a bad boy? One of the Nelk boys or whatever? One of those. Like, when did he.
- [33:24]
Billy
Yeah, I don't know.
- [33:25]
Matt Jones
Every time I read something, he's like, is he going to be one of these podcast dudes that I'm going to end up having to hate?
- [33:31]
Billy
Yeah, one of those seemed like.
- [33:34]
Matt Jones
But. But you may have to think about that when you're picking. So, like, that may be the kind of guy that doesn't have a long shelf life.
- [33:40]
Billy
Well, it's about maximizing Matthew Stafford and what he's got left. Right. And you give him another receiver. I think that could go a long way. So let them take Lemon there.
- [33:49]
Matt Jones
All right, so now we get to the Ravens at 14, you know, new head coach. New head coach. So, like, a lot of the philosophy that we've seen for a while will be different. I'm gonna go. Let me see if I can pronounce this. Savio Vega, Eon. Why did I say Safi that was a former wwf. Sorry. Ola Vaga.
- [34:21]
Billy
Oh, yes, the Penn State.
- [34:24]
Matt Jones
How do I say that first name? Honestly, you could give me 10 different pronunciations that I wouldn't know.
- [34:31]
Billy
Oli Avega.
- [34:33]
Matt Jones
Oli. That's not right.
- [34:36]
Billy
Olive Loan.
- [34:39]
Matt Jones
That wasn't anything like you said the first time.
- [34:41]
Billy
Well, we're working it out.
- [34:42]
Matt Jones
Olay Eva Vega. Yeah, that's Olay Eva Vega. Eon. He's. That's Ravens.
- [34:50]
Tab Ramos
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- [34:50]
Billy
Oh, that is a Raven if I've ever seen.
- [34:52]
Matt Jones
He was. He's huge, isn't he? Isn't he like 300 at 98 pounds or something?
- [34:58]
Billy
Let's. 98 would be a lot. 6, 4.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, no, I remember. I remember seeing him at the pro day and he's just like a massive human being. He was all. He's a. Be a left tackle. I like it. Give me him.
- [35:12]
Billy
But him and Derrick Henry running at you at the same time, that is. That is intimidating. No doubt about it.
- [35:18]
Matt Jones
No doubt. All right, so now we're up to the 15th pick. Who's got the 15th pick?
- [35:23]
Billy
My Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
- [35:24]
Matt Jones
All right, so you've either. You're an expert here, you should be able to tell me what they're going to do.
- [35:28]
Billy
Yeah, well, they're not going to win the division this year. I've got really low expectations for him this year, unfortunately. I think they need an edge rusher, but I don't see one really in the caliber that they need right now. So I think they double up, they lose Mike Evans. So they go tight end.
- [35:44]
Matt Jones
Kenyan Sadiq.
- [35:45]
Billy
Kenyon Siddiq. Pair him with Kate Otten, and I think you got a new revamped offense.
- [35:50]
Matt Jones
So what do you know about. If you. If you're advocating for Kenyon and Sadiq, what do you know about.
- [35:54]
Billy
What don't I know about Sadiq? Matt? Eight touchdowns last year. Six, Three, two, four, five. I mean, such a massive improvement from year two to year three.
- [36:05]
Matt Jones
Don't I know about Kenyan City?
- [36:07]
Billy
I mean, he's about to be a buccaneer.
- [36:09]
Matt Jones
So let me tell you what Daniel Jeremiah says. Cause he has good things to say. I love his competitiveness. Tenacity. Tenacity. But he does not have consistent hands.
- [36:22]
Billy
What? That's all I need out of him.
- [36:25]
Matt Jones
But, you know, I think what he means is one is twice the size of the other.
- [36:29]
Billy
Not what I expected.
- [36:32]
Matt Jones
He's got one hand that's like three feet tall, and then he's got another little bitty hand.
- [36:40]
Billy
Well, we'll make sure they're not a
- [36:42]
Matt Jones
good hand, so you just have to know to throw it to the good hand.
- [36:48]
Billy
Well, that's why he's We've got two tight ends, Matt, one with two great hands and one with an exceptional hand. And then I don't know about the other one.
- [36:57]
Matt Jones
That's one just amazing and the other one's not quite as consistent.
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Matt Jones
All right, number 16 New York jets are back on the clock. I think now if you're the jets, you address defense on your first pick. You go get Omar Cooper Jr. From Indiana. He had 13 touchdowns last year. Used to play in the doz. A great culture. You need a culture. You know the jets have all these just random ragtag group of of scalawags and then you throw a good culture guy like Omar Cooper Jr. In and you help rebuild your offense. So I will take him.
- [41:41]
Billy
Yeah, I'm not sure if I can name another receiver besides Garrett Wilson for the jets. So that goes along with him and
- [41:46]
Matt Jones
Garrett Wilson pair them up on each side. I like it. He also, he had a game I want to say against Penn State where he got that breakaway and like he's flashed great speed in that one. So I I like him right here. If I'm the Jets.
- [42:02]
Billy
Yeah, there was also. I don't know if it was him that made that catch in the back of the end zone versus Penn State, but if it was good play, yeah, that would.
- [42:10]
Matt Jones
That was what. That's. He had two big plays, so.
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Matt Jones
All right, what's next?
- [42:14]
Billy
The Lions are picking at 17th, and when I saw that there is an offensive lineman from Georgia that's 6, 7, 3, 5.
- [42:23]
Matt Jones
That is that literally you would create a Dan Campbell player in the last.
- [42:27]
Billy
Monroe. Monroe Freeling. They already got Tate Ratledge last year from Georgia. Still waiting on that jersey from you, Matt. But Monroe Freeling to pair him up there I think would be perfect.
- [42:40]
Matt Jones
First of all, if there's a more Georgian name than Monroe Freeling, it does
- [42:48]
Billy
sound like somebody that knows his way around a pen.
- [42:56]
Matt Jones
My dad's. My dad's got a farm. Monroe Freeling. He also like. It sounds like he'd be in like a fraternity pledge class. Who's your chapter president? Meet Monroe Freeling.
- [43:07]
Billy
He's the disciplinary chair. Monroe.
- [43:10]
Matt Jones
Well, he is huge, and I like that pick. I think that's a good one. All right, we'll go to the Minnesota Vikings. I'm going to take. I have two choices here. I can either get the dude from Oregon, but people don't like to take safeties. Well, there's two safeties here. Do you want to do the enemy from Oregon or do you want to do. You know what? I'm going to go with the guy from Toledo, Emmanuel McNeil.
- [43:37]
Billy
Warren from Toledo.
- [43:40]
Matt Jones
Yes.
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- [43:41]
Matt Jones
He is the. He's kind of been competing with the enemy as the. The number two safety on downs. And, you know, listen, if you're on a draft board from Toledo, you've proved it enough. Yeah, I mean, he. The. The people came from the portal, said, you want to cut. He was like, nope. Toledo. He's going to be loyal. Already used those Midwestern colds.
- [44:02]
Billy
Yeah, that's right. He's not too far away.
- [44:04]
Matt Jones
So I'm going to go ahead and take my guy. Emanuel McNeil. Warren.
- [44:08]
Billy
Well, I don't think that's a bad pick. Harrison Smith is in year 14 with the Vikings.
- [44:13]
Matt Jones
Is that right?
- [44:14]
Billy
Yeah, the safety from Notre Dame back in the day.
- [44:16]
Matt Jones
I believe that is a long time. All right, well, tell me what Carolina Panthers are gonna.
- [44:20]
Billy
Well, they'll go with the other safety that you didn't pick. We're not gonna overthink it.
- [44:23]
Matt Jones
Y.
- [44:24]
Billy
It's Dylan Thinman is, I believe, how
- [44:26]
Matt Jones
I would say the enemy.
- [44:27]
Billy
Okay, well, teach their own. But Brian Flores over there, the. Well, that's with the Vikings. The. The enemy is with the Panthers with Dave Canales and Carolina Mike and all the momentum over there.
- [44:40]
Matt Jones
Mike's got to find a new song. Mario. I've now heard him sing his Instagram 65 versions of that. If I had 50. If I had 150,000.
- [44:52]
Billy
So is he a one hit wonder right now?
- [44:54]
Matt Jones
Right now, I think that's where I would lean towards. But I will say, man, he got a lot of performances out of that.
- [45:00]
Billy
Well, for Bryce Young to tell us they stopped what they were doing to turn to the Jumbotron to watch was a very cool moment.
- [45:07]
Matt Jones
Totally understand why they did it. I would have done the exact, exact same thing. So now let's go to the 20th pick. Oh, excuse me for. I want to go back to the end of it for a minute. Can I read you what Daniel Jeremiah said?
- [45:19]
Billy
Please?
- [45:24]
Matt Jones
Against the run. He trusts his eyes and will explode in the alley. Overall, I would just say Thinnerman does a lot of different tasks at a very high level. So when I read that when he says task, I think like, he can come fix your air conditioning.
- [45:42]
Billy
So, yeah, he's handy.
- [45:43]
Matt Jones
He's like a handyman. Yeah, I have a handyman. His name's Rusty.
- [45:48]
Billy
This is real life. Again, real life.
- [45:49]
Matt Jones
Okay, names. Rusty comes over. Hey, Rusty, can you do this? Yes. What about this? Yes. He'll show up. All he's got is a wrench, and he'll walk out and he'll fix everything you need.
- [46:02]
Billy
That's all you need. That's all you need is a wrench to get it done the right way.
- [46:05]
Matt Jones
The enemy is the NFL draft's rust.
- [46:07]
Billy
He also trusts his eyes, which is something we should all do, Matt, is trust our eyes.
- [46:13]
Matt Jones
Are there others who don't?
- [46:15]
Billy
You're telling me. I mean, we are both there guys
- [46:18]
Matt Jones
in this draft that do not trust their eyes because I'm not picking them. If they're. If they're out there trying to play football in the sense of smell.
- [46:29]
Billy
Yeah, they're just blind out there. Come on, we need people with all their senses.
- [46:33]
Matt Jones
Which way to go? Sorry, you don't get this kind of thing on.
- [46:43]
Billy
On what?
- [46:44]
Matt Jones
Yeah. Where are we?
- [46:47]
Billy
20th.
- [46:47]
Matt Jones
20th? Is that meme?
- [46:49]
Billy
Yes.
- [46:49]
Matt Jones
Cleveland Browns.
- [46:52]
Billy
Well, I think it's the. The Cowboys here, actually.
- [46:55]
Matt Jones
Oh, okay. Well, now they. Then they got to go defense. And let's see which of the edges. What's an edge? Oh, the guy from Mayan, me, Akeem Messador.
- [47:09]
Billy
Akeem Macedore.
- [47:10]
Matt Jones
Yes. He's one of the older players in the draft. He just turned 41.
- [47:13]
Billy
I screwed that up. It is the Browns.
- [47:16]
Matt Jones
Why did you tell me it was the Cowboys?
- [47:18]
Billy
Because that was a project.
- [47:21]
Matt Jones
If I'm the Browns, I'm taking a wide receiver. So I'm going to take Denzel Boston.
- [47:25]
Billy
Okay. I like that big better for them.
- [47:27]
Matt Jones
Yeah, well, if you make me get the right team. Denzel Boss from Washington. This says he has a huge catch radius. Cause again, he uses all of his senses.
- [47:40]
Billy
How many good hands does he have?
- [47:45]
Matt Jones
Just one big hand. Denzel Boston Jr. I think Cleveland needs a receiver regardless of who their quarterback is. Give me Denzel.
- [47:52]
Billy
I like it. I mean, Jerry Judy is there, but besides that, not a ton of talent. So bring in Boston from Washington. He can be a good pickup there for them.
- [48:00]
Matt Jones
Yeah, he's also. Isn't he like a. Well, I think he's got a big personality. If I've seen that guy before. I think he does videos and stuff. All right, 21 Pittsburgh Steelers.
- [48:10]
Billy
Oh, they're gonna love this pick. You know, everybody gets excited when it's in this draft city. Can we talk about Aaron Rodgers for a second before we make this pick? Because he's still not told the Steelers what he's going to do for 2020.
- [48:22]
Matt Jones
There's no more selfish person than him. He's like, I mean, just decide already, right?
- [48:27]
Billy
Yeah, just make a decision. I mean, now they go into the draft with two quarterbacks and Will Howard and Mason Rudolph, but really no idea of the direction of the team.
- [48:35]
Matt Jones
Well, so the question is, do you take Ty Simpson here? I mean the qu. Do you. If, if you're, if you're Pittsburgh, do you want, do you want to take him? And then with Aaron Rodgers, is it better or worse or do you wait for next year? Because there's going to be probably six or seven guys that are first round contenders next year.
- [48:53]
Billy
Yeah, next year's draft is loaded with quarterback prospects.
- [48:56]
Matt Jones
So. So what are you doing? Yeah, I mean, I think, I think the rest of this draft pivots on what you decide here. So don't screw it up.
- [49:03]
Billy
Well, definitely a trade down candidate if they can. But like, yeah, I think you just wait for Aaron Rodgers and, and, and probably go offensive line. So I'm going to go with the tackle from Arizona State here. And this is another great pronunciation. Max. Ian Shower.
- [49:22]
Matt Jones
Who did you just pat? He's not on my board, but he's
- [49:26]
Billy
on the board here. One of the offensive tackle prospects. From Arizona.
- [49:31]
Matt Jones
Oh, is that the guy from Nigeria?
- [49:34]
Billy
He might be. You know, he's from this world. So I mean if that is
- [49:40]
Matt Jones
like. Well, there's a guy I did. This is not the guy, Max. Ian Shower, but there's a guy I was reading about who the NFL has brought to the draft who's never played football. Did you see that guy?
- [49:50]
Billy
Ian Showers from la? Okay, but if he's never played football and he's in the draft, that might be a problem.
- [49:56]
Matt Jones
He's not from Nigeria.
- [49:58]
Billy
No, this guy is from la.
- [50:01]
Matt Jones
No, this says. I'm looking at it. Ian Shower is still relatively new to football. He was a Nigerian born tackle that came to the United States at 13.
- [50:10]
Billy
Well, ESPN needs to work on their bios for these players because it says he is from. His birthplace was la. California, la, Nigeria. Oh, they're pretty similar, right? So I mean, no, there's a guy
- [50:23]
Matt Jones
that they're expecting to go in like the seventh round who has never played in a football game.
- [50:29]
Billy
See, that seems concerning.
- [50:31]
Matt Jones
He, they brought him, I guess the NFL has some sort of program where they try to get people from around the world involved in the sport. And they found this kid and he was, I think they brought him to the US he went to, let's say, I don't know, pick a like Coppin State or school like that and then he didn't play. But he's supposedly like the best athlete ever.
- [50:52]
Billy
Well, you asked, would you draft on potential?
- [50:54]
Matt Jones
No. This guy's like, there's a story about this guy. I can't, I don't know. I know it just sounds like I'm babbling words, but I promise you this person exists and they said he's going to end up on an NFL roster because he's. His athletic potential is like bizarre.
- [51:11]
Billy
Well, do you feel like players in other sports could play in the NFL? Yes, like LeBron.
- [51:15]
Matt Jones
More than easy. Any other sport.
- [51:17]
Billy
So there's.
- [51:19]
Matt Jones
Yeah, I mean, I think, don't get me wrong, there's a huge skill set to play in the NFL. But you have a better chance of taking an elite athlete and having him be good at the NFL than any other sport.
- [51:31]
Billy
Yeah, basketball, you got a dribble. I mean there's, I mean that could be a big.
- [51:35]
Matt Jones
I mean just think about like, like, like Antonio Gates, right. Who. Football was almost secondary for him and he ended up being a Hall of Famer.
- [51:44]
Billy
So. Awesome.
- [51:45]
Tab Ramos
Was he?
- [51:45]
Billy
He was, yeah.
- [51:46]
Matt Jones
I mean, remember Brock Lesnar went to the Vikings camp?
- [51:49]
Billy
I don't remember that. How did that turn out for Brock.
- [51:51]
Matt Jones
He didn't make the team. But he did. They considered it.
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- [51:56]
Billy
That just looks like a guy that can play football. Let's sign him up, see how he can do. I can see that.
- [52:00]
Matt Jones
All right, we'll go to 22.
- [52:03]
Billy
22. Is the Chargers here?
- [52:07]
Matt Jones
Yeah. What do I want?
- [52:09]
Billy
Chargers need a lineman, an edge rusher.
- [52:11]
Matt Jones
I'm going to go.
- [52:13]
Billy
Not a quarterback.
- [52:15]
Matt Jones
Boy, I don't like any of my selections here. I guess I'm gonna go offensive line and go Blake Miller from Clemson.
- [52:22]
Billy
All right.
- [52:23]
Matt Jones
Talk about a culture change. Gets away from Dabo and has to go to the bright lights of la.
- [52:28]
Billy
Well, he gets Harbaugh so I mean it's let's get harbor that different from Dabo, right?
- [52:33]
Matt Jones
I don't know a lot about Clemson offensive lineman except I remember seeing they would always show him like I guess he was good student and he was always wearing khakis. So I'll take him.
- [52:42]
Billy
Oh, look at Dabo starting every game for like that.
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- [56:47]
Billy
Eagles 23 the Eagles who Adam Schefter with some news over the last couple days. Likely to move on from AJ Brown and likely to Trade him to the Patriots.
- [56:56]
Matt Jones
Thank goodness though, right? If you're an Eagles fan, like, he's
- [56:59]
Billy
just been reading his book on the
- [57:02]
Matt Jones
sidelines, but he's just been a hassle. Like you won the super bowl and you were still complaining. That's a dude you're never gonna make happy.
- [57:09]
Billy
No, I agree. I agree. And so I think that they're looking for an edge rusher. I know. Blake Miller. Or not Blake Miller. We just, we just talked about him. I know Peter woods is a good defensive tackle, but I'm going to go more edge here. I'm going to go. Zion Young, defensive end from Missouri for the Eagles.
- [57:27]
Matt Jones
Okay. Zion Young from Missouri, that's who we thought. A lot of people had him projected to the Bears. So you stole him from my team.
- [57:35]
Billy
Yeah. You watch a lot of Missouri games this year. Do you know anything?
- [57:38]
Matt Jones
Try not to. Most boring field in the United States.
- [57:41]
Billy
They say it's the worst. What is it? They have a place in the sec.
- [57:45]
Matt Jones
They have a grass area.
- [57:47]
Billy
Yeah. The berm.
- [57:48]
Tab Ramos
No.
- [57:49]
Matt Jones
But like you can just wander into it. There are people there who think they're having a class. It's the worst stadium in the. It's got to be one of the worst stadiums in a power four. I can't. Dukes is worse. Trying to get stadiums worse than Missouri's. They're not many.
- [58:05]
Billy
Yeah. They just seem out of place a little bit. They had so much success when they first joined the sec, but since. Not a lot.
- [58:11]
Matt Jones
Yeah. I'm going to admit to you, my note taking hasn't been great on this.
- [58:15]
Billy
That's okay. I've got it all written down here.
- [58:17]
Matt Jones
Yeah.
- [58:17]
Billy
When I check in five years.
- [58:19]
Matt Jones
But if you. If I. If all of a sudden it's. I'm not really able to keep track of who's on the board. That's. Why. Are we at Cleveland?
- [58:27]
Billy
Yeah, we're. Yes, we're at.
- [58:29]
Matt Jones
Give me Jermad McCoy.
- [58:31]
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- [58:32]
Matt Jones
From Tennessee. He is a cornerback. He missed most of last year with an ACL. He's a top 10 pick. If he had not gotten hurt. And I think if you're Cleveland, you've already had one first round pick that you took a receiver on. This is a guy who you know is worth the risk because you could be getting a top 10 talent at
- [58:52]
Billy
24 in the Browns getting this pick, I believe when the Jaguars traded up to pick Travis Hunter last year. So the Browns with two first round
- [59:01]
Matt Jones
picks, which ended up being, I think a really bad, bad pick for. For the. For the. For their Jacksonville making that trade.
- [59:10]
Billy
Yeah, he struggled year one. Do you not think Travis Hunter.
- [59:12]
Matt Jones
No, I just think they didn't need to trade up. You know, I think they've been better off with those picks. Yeah, probably like if you were now Jacksonville ended up being pretty good. So that pick is not as good as you might have thought it would have been. But I still, I still think you'd rather have the. Have the. Because I think they gave up two picks right. To get that.
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- [59:31]
Matt Jones
So. All right, who's next?
- [59:33]
Billy
25th?
- [59:34]
Matt Jones
The Bears.
- [59:34]
Billy
Your Chicago Bears. So I know you've been thinking about this pick for months at this point now.
- [59:39]
Matt Jones
Dude, if I had a dollar for every time I thought about it.
- [59:42]
Billy
But, but you know, with all the noise on the offensive side of the ball, I think they don't tell me you're taking.
- [59:47]
Matt Jones
Okay, good.
- [59:48]
Billy
I think they go defense and I think they go Peter Woods.
- [59:52]
Matt Jones
I'd say that would be a great get for him.
- [59:53]
Billy
Them at this point from Clemson. I think he does feels a need for them on the defensive line.
- [59:59]
Matt Jones
There was a time Peter woods was 15. Yeah. I mean if you like here on the this one. I'm trying to think whose board this is. They have him 10. So if you get him at 25. But that's a guy who at one point was I think projected going in the season as a top five pick, wasn't he? He had a very much underperformed this year.
- [60:18]
Billy
Yeah, I, I, I've, I remember that name. So he very well.
- [60:22]
Matt Jones
Genuinely think he was projected maybe at one point as a top five pick. So if you could get him at 25.
- [60:27]
Billy
Be quite the fall though.
- [60:29]
Matt Jones
Oh, that was. It is. It's already a fall wherever he goes. Cause I mean this, this is a dude who genuinely should have been picked up in the first five to 10 if he had not had disappointment.
- [60:40]
Billy
I do feel bad for the guys in the green room when they fall and their whole family's just looking around. It was Will Levis a couple years ago.
- [60:47]
Matt Jones
Yeah, that was the bad was a bad one. And then.
- [60:50]
Billy
Well, and then Geno Smith, Lamar Jackson. I mean these guys are expected to go high.
- [60:55]
Matt Jones
You know, a lot of those guys have ended up being successful off of it. I mean Aaron Rodgers.
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- [60:59]
Matt Jones
Many years ago Aaron Rodgers was one of the first ones that that it happened to Will Levis. Got his girlfriend famous from it.
- [61:07]
Billy
Go viral.
- [61:08]
Matt Jones
Yeah, she became a star from just sitting there and waiting.
- [61:11]
Billy
Yeah.
- [61:11]
Matt Jones
What's her name? Gia.
- [61:12]
Billy
Gia Dutty, I think is her name. I remember it all These years later, it's impressive.
- [61:18]
Matt Jones
I'm impressed. All right, Buffalo Bills are next, right?
- [61:21]
Billy
Yes. Our. Maybe our resident team here on cover zero after our trip last year.
- [61:25]
Matt Jones
Yeah, I'm gonna say I'm gonna take. I'm gonna take Kaden Proctor from Alabama. Another. This is a bust or massive success pick. There's nothing in between. He was, I think, disappointing at Alabama, but another guy who at one point was a top 10 projected pick probably has more upside than anybody, but he also could be out of the league in three years.
- [61:49]
Billy
Who was it?
- [61:51]
Matt Jones
Do you not follow?
- [61:52]
Billy
No, no. Who'd you say it was again?
- [61:54]
Matt Jones
Proctor.
- [61:55]
Billy
Proctor. Oh, that's right. I was thinking about the other guy,
- [61:59]
Matt Jones
so I'm gonna take him. And I think this is another one of those, if you're Buffalo, good culture, bring this guy in and you could be getting a steal.
- [62:06]
Billy
I like it. I like it. Even though I just found out who it was after I didn't hear you the first time.
- [62:11]
Matt Jones
You should start. You should listen a little bit better. What's next?
- [62:14]
Billy
The 49ers are at 27, and, you know, it's. It's a luxury, I think, here. I don't know if they have a ton of needs. They, you know, they did sign, I believe, Trent Williams to a new deal today, so I did see that. But I'm gonna go edge rusher here.
- [62:28]
Matt Jones
Who you got?
- [62:28]
Billy
I'm gonna go Keldrick Falk, the defensive end from Auburn, to bolster the pass rush there. The rich get richer in this sense.
- [62:36]
Matt Jones
Feels like Auburn gets a Falk every few years. I can't name it, but it does.
- [62:43]
Billy
I know Marshall Falk.
- [62:45]
Matt Jones
It does feel like, all right, we'll go to the 49ers. I'm going off the board.
- [62:49]
Billy
For who?
- [62:49]
Matt Jones
For the 49ers at 27.
- [62:51]
Billy
I just picked that. So if you want to go 28,
- [62:53]
Matt Jones
that would be 28 for the Houston Texans. I'm going off the board. A lot of people don't see this coming. Cash is how.
- [63:01]
Tab Ramos
Whoa.
- [63:01]
Matt Jones
From Texas A and M. People have him projected as a second rounder. Mario, write this down. He's first round. Could go. I think he could go as high as 20th, but I'll take him here at 28 for the Texans. Watch out. Cash is how. Right down the road from Houston in College Station.
- [63:18]
Billy
So what'd you see? Like, I mean, the intangibles are there maybe one big hand. One little hand.
- [63:24]
Matt Jones
Hips.
- [63:25]
Billy
Oh, the hips.
- [63:26]
Matt Jones
They don't lie.
- [63:28]
Billy
I've heard that.
- [63:28]
Matt Jones
No, he's Undersized. All right. He's little. He's five. One.
- [63:33]
Billy
Five one. Somebody better throw him in the air.
- [63:37]
Matt Jones
All right. I know people will be surprised. I was kind of making that up. Oh, and then I just read Daniel Jeremiah.
- [63:43]
Billy
What did DJ Say?
- [63:44]
Matt Jones
Against the run, he. He controls and rolls his hips and uses leverage. I know he lacks measurements, but a smart team will see this as a first round player.
- [63:55]
Billy
I mean, he saw his hips and had the same thought. Matt.
- [63:59]
Matt Jones
So Cassius. Cassius. Or as they like to call him, Hips. How.
- [64:03]
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- [64:03]
Matt Jones
How goes 28?
- [64:06]
Billy
I will.
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- [64:07]
Matt Jones
The Chiefs are back.
- [64:09]
Billy
Chiefs are back.
- [64:10]
Matt Jones
And,
- [64:12]
Billy
man, I would.
- [64:13]
Tab Ramos
I.
- [64:13]
Billy
You know, I think they'd love a receiver here, but I'm not going to give them a receiver. I will not see that through. I think they go corner here. I'm going to go with what the consensus on. A lot of mocks are here. Colton Hood from Tennessee for the Chiefs.
- [64:27]
Matt Jones
I remember him. Tennessee fans were always complaining about him.
- [64:31]
Billy
Why?
- [64:31]
Matt Jones
Because they always just felt like he got beat. Even though he had, like, crazy talent. I think that's another guy. I know I keep saying this, but there was a time he was projected as a higher pick as well.
- [64:41]
Billy
Well, with dbs, you got to have a short term memory.
- [64:43]
Matt Jones
You do. That's what they always say. Who's at 30?
- [64:48]
Billy
The dolphins. Adult 30. This is kind of like where a lot of projected trades are, like people coming up to maybe get Ty Simpson here.
- [64:55]
Matt Jones
Yeah, that's not what's going to happen. They're going to pick Casey Concepcion.
- [64:59]
Billy
Whoa.
- [65:00]
Matt Jones
Of Texas A and M. Okay.
- [65:02]
Billy
Another one. Hips.
- [65:04]
Matt Jones
Well, no, I. It's not about his. He has a. He has a good jab step and then he explodes down the field.
- [65:13]
Billy
Okay.
- [65:14]
Matt Jones
You've never seen his job.
- [65:15]
Billy
No, I haven't seen.
- [65:16]
Matt Jones
It's one foot in the ground and then. And he. That's what the Dolphins need. Give me Casey Concepcion.
- [65:25]
Billy
Man, Dolphin season might turn around with conception, and I can't drop it so much.
- [65:32]
Matt Jones
Drop rate, I believe, was one of the worst in the sec.
- [65:36]
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- [65:36]
Billy
Well, he's got a clear goal in mind, and I'm sure the Dolphins will.
- [65:40]
Matt Jones
Well, receivers, they got to work on their catching.
- [65:43]
Billy
I would say so.
- [65:44]
Matt Jones
All right, That's Patriots.
- [65:46]
Billy
Patriots. Man, they're going to be around for a while, aren't they? You think Drake, man, New England's just going to be in the 30s or late 20s for a while. If it's a success that they have,
- [65:55]
Matt Jones
I think he's going to be a bust. Projected that for Two years.
- [65:59]
Billy
Well, then maybe they should go Ty Simpson here.
- [66:02]
Matt Jones
You know, Matt, that would be a surprise.
- [66:04]
Billy
Yeah, I don't think I'm going to pick it, but since 97, there's only been one draft with only one quarterback in the first round.
- [66:10]
Matt Jones
Is that right?
- [66:11]
Billy
And that was 2022 with Kenny Pickett going to the Pittsburgh.
- [66:14]
Matt Jones
I remember that. And he didn't go until later in the first round.
- [66:16]
Billy
So I'm going to make it two drafts since 97, at least on my selections. I'm going to go defensive end Hakeem Mezdor from Miami, like him.
- [66:27]
Matt Jones
Okay. By the way, some breaking news. Spirit Airlines is offering the US Government an equity stake to buy the airline.
- [66:38]
Billy
You can be an owner.
- [66:39]
Matt Jones
For those of you that think Spirit wasn't good enough, how about letting the government fly your plane?
- [66:46]
Billy
Sounds like they're desperate. They're gonna ask the government, man.
- [66:50]
Matt Jones
Have you ever flown Spirit?
- [66:51]
Billy
Oh, yeah. That was my airline of choice for a while.
- [66:54]
Matt Jones
Is it like, are there chickens on it? Like, what's it close?
- [66:58]
Billy
Close. Like, I don't. I don't want to disparage the fine people over there, but, like, you know, sometimes you're. You know, you can't lean back because your chair's not working correctly.
- [67:07]
Matt Jones
They don't have working chairs.
- [67:08]
Billy
No, that's. You know, there's not really TV or movies or Netflix on the Spirit Airlines,
- [67:14]
Matt Jones
at least the ones I've never been on there. I haven't been on Spirit, haven't been on Frontier. What are the other ones, Whip?
- [67:21]
Billy
Well. Well, you know, I don't fly private everywhere I go, Matt.
- [67:23]
Matt Jones
I don't fly private either. I just. I. I mean, I will either fl, Delta, American, or. You now know. No.
- [67:30]
Billy
Oh, see, you got to muck it up a little bit. Sometimes Spirit and Allegiant are just a different experience.
- [67:36]
Matt Jones
Yes, it's experience I'm trying to avoid.
- [67:41]
Billy
Yeah, well, I mean, I wouldn't even
- [67:42]
Matt Jones
fly Southwest, really, because I don't want to stand in line. Oh, what was Southwest point of not assigning seats? Why is that better?
- [67:54]
Billy
I don't know. I mean, maybe it gets a little contentious at times when you don't have assigned seats. Right. So.
- [67:58]
Matt Jones
So what's the good. It can't be quicker? It's gotta be quicker to not have assigned seats.
- [68:04]
Billy
Correct?
- [68:04]
Matt Jones
Yeah.
- [68:05]
Billy
You just let them go, and they. They probably just fill it up themselves. There's no, like, oh, that's my seat. No, you're in my seat, ma'.
- [68:11]
Matt Jones
Am.
- [68:11]
Billy
He's in my seat. Can you get him out. I think that takes you.
- [68:14]
Matt Jones
Takes longer.
- [68:15]
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- [68:15]
Matt Jones
I flew Southwest one time and I ended up with Marilyn Manson next to me.
- [68:21]
Billy
Is that why you don't do it again?
- [68:22]
Matt Jones
You don't know that. Drew and I flew middle. Drew and I flew to. From Vegas to LA on Southwest and Marilyn Manson set middle seat between the two of us.
- [68:32]
Billy
Okay. I did not predict middle seat, but
- [68:34]
Matt Jones
was he chose middle seat.
- [68:36]
Billy
Oh, he chose.
- [68:37]
Matt Jones
Was he the talker? He never shut up for an hour. He did not stop talking. And we were like, literally like, well, this guy shut up.
- [68:46]
Billy
I'd be excited to talk. And then like would for 10 minutes
- [68:50]
Matt Jones
and then he just keeps going on and on.
- [68:52]
Billy
He put in the AirPods.
- [68:53]
Matt Jones
Have you ever heard us tell this story?
- [68:55]
Billy
I mean, vaguely, yes, I have. But I do want to play it
- [68:58]
Matt Jones
up for the, for the audience. Okay. Yeah. He set middle seat between me and Drew, chose middle seat, left his girlfriend to sit by herself, did not remember that detail and sat between us and just didn't shy. Including. He said, let's. Can I get you all a drink? And we were like, sure. And then they came and he go, he points at me and go, he's got it.
- [69:20]
Billy
That's a rock star move. I love that move from him. Yeah. But like I would have been like trying to put the earbud in my ear in like the 20, 30 minute mark.
- [69:30]
Matt Jones
He had like five minutes where he was. I was on a TV show at the time and I told him that and he goes, oh, I have some ideas for TV shows. And he just came up with, yeah,
- [69:39]
Billy
open the floodgates with that one.
- [69:41]
Matt Jones
All right, finally, Seattle Seahawks, you know, they had. They now have an open spot at running back.
- [69:48]
Tab Ramos
Yeah.
- [69:48]
Matt Jones
So I actually think they take the backup at Notre Dame. Jadarian Price, you know, didn't even have to run it very much. But with Kenneth Walker out, they got to replace that 32nd pick. Seems perfect for me to get him. You get an extra year with him if you get him at the end of the first round. So I will take him to their impress again.
- [70:06]
Billy
The damn Chiefs getting a Super Bowl MVP in Kenneth Walker. They just cannot be stopped.
- [70:11]
Matt Jones
But they needed it because they haven't had. They haven't had that running back option in a couple of years because of injuries.
- [70:17]
Billy
So I like, right, well, you know, Seattle going to get a good one to running back. Notre Dame. Notre Dame.
- [70:24]
Matt Jones
So there you go. That's the fight. So you have written down all the picks.
- [70:27]
Billy
I have.
- [70:27]
Matt Jones
We will compare them to the picks of everyone else. I hope you all have learned and gotten yourself ready for the draft. And I think this is all anybody's going to need to listen to.
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Billy
I will never think about vacuum salesmen again the same way.
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Matt Jones
And who is the guy that has two hands that are not the same?
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Billy
It was my tight end, wasn't it?
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Matt Jones
Sadiq, Sadiq, Sadiq. Two hands that are not consistent size. Be watching for that. Andre.
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Billy
I'm gonna have to work with him.
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Matt Jones
I want you to be watching and see. Yeah, here we go. He says he has consistent hands. Kenyon. Sadiq. I'm looking forward to it. How's he buy gloves?
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Billy
Oh yeah. I mean like big and tall, right? You gotta for one.
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Matt Jones
All right, thank you all very much. We will see you after the draft. Enjoy Pittsburgh. This covers you. NFL Cover 0 with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin is a production of the NFL and iHeart podcast. For more podcasts from iHear Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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