NFL Cover Zero: NFC East and NFC South Previews!

Summary

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NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin

Episode: NFC East and NFC South Previews!

Date: August 6, 2026
Hosts: Matt Jones, Drew Franklin, Billy R.
Podcast: NFL Cover Zero (iHeartPodcasts)

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Episode Overview

This episode kicks off the NFL division preview series for the 2026 season, zooming in on the NFC East and NFC South. Matt, Drew, and producer Billy R break down storylines, roster changes, expectations, and give their win total picks for each team, blending stats analysis with humor and tangents about fandom and pop culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Hall of Fame Game & Super Bowl Trivia (02:05–06:30)

• Opening Chatter: Anticipation for the Hall of Fame Game, with classic Matt and Drew banter about the less-than-glamorous matchup of Carolina vs. Arizona.
• NFC Super Bowl Factoid:
  • Only three NFC teams (49ers, Seahawks, Eagles) have made more Super Bowls since 2000 than the Panthers.
  • Quote:

    "If you were to do it on your bar trivia, I don't know how many people would get the Panthers." — Matt Jones (05:52)

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2. NFC East Preview

Dallas Cowboys (06:30–12:24)

• Bold Prediction:
  • Drew: “I’m pouring myself a glass... I think they get the division back this year.” (06:54)
• Offensive Firepower:
  • Last season’s offense was “spectacular,” with Dak Prescott, Pickens, and CeeDee Lamb leading the way.
  • Concerns about last season’s bad defense, hoping rookie DB Caleb Downs sparks improvement.
  • “Dak was Dak again. Pickens made the Steelers look stupid for letting him go.” — Drew (07:59)
• Cowboys Culture & Ownership:
  • Fun speculation about Jerry Jones selling a stake to Mark Cuban, and whether that would disrupt the Jones family dynasty.
  • “How much money does a person need?” — Matt (11:54)
• Predictions:
  • Drew: Cowboys finish 12–5 (12:44)
  • Matt: Cowboys 9–8, leans under the win total (12:58)
  • Billy: Over on 9.5 wins (12:48)

Philadelphia Eagles (12:58–16:17; 19:24–21:13)

• Storyline:
  • A.J. Brown gone, offensive regression, but defense still solid.
  • “Their offense just completely disappeared after being one of the best offenses in the NFL.” — Drew (13:44)
• **Rookie WR Lemon needs to fill A.J. Brown’s shoes quickly.
• Schedule Watch:
  • Tough early stretch; less pressure as defending champs.
• Philly's Tough Crowd:
  • Brief detour on why Philadelphia fans are famously hard to please.
  • “Usually when you win a ring, that buys you a decade if you need it.” — Drew (19:40)
• Predictions:
  • Drew: 10–7 (21:08), Eagles fall to 2nd place
  • Matt: 11 wins (20:49), slight over
  • Billy: Over/under line: 10.5 (20:32)

Washington Commanders (25:19–26:58)

• Quarterback Jaden Daniels:
  • Health is a question mark; not much optimism for a leap.
  • “I just don't see him recovering and taking a big step forward.” — Drew (26:30)
  • “Washington is a hard team to care about.” — Drew (26:50)
• Prediction:
  • Drew: 6 wins. Billy: Under 7.5 (26:08)

New York Giants (27:47–31:32)

• Offseason drama:
  • Harbaugh’s high-profile but “cringy” arrival as head coach.
  • “Harbaugh's first season is expected to be a thud.” — Billy (28:33)
• QB Jackson Dart:
  • Questions about focus; possible “sophomore slump.”
  • “He thinks he’s too handsome… Where’s the Met Gala this year?” — Matt (30:03)
• **OBJ returns, new weapons, but overall skepticism.
• Prediction:
  • Over/under: 7.5. Matt’s “lock of the season” is the under—expects 5 wins max (31:19, 31:26).
  • All agree: Giants finish last in division.

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3. Fantasy Football Talk (31:39–34:07)

• The show will host a fantasy football league with a live draft in late August.
• Matt wants it "very in depth... all the bells and whistles."
• Spots open for listeners, especially women and out-of-staters.

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4. NFC South Preview (37:37–48:23)

Carolina Panthers (37:43–41:46)

• On the Rise?:
  • Panthers are “starting to take the torch,” with belief in Bryce Young’s year-3 leap.
  • Drew: “I will tiptoe into yes category. …I’m going to believe in him, to at least lead them to a repeat division championship.” (38:33)
• Panthers Culture:
  • Tangent on “Carolina Mike” and the need for more than one hit song.
• Prediction:
  • Over/under: 7.5. Both Matt and Drew take over.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers (41:46–44:50)

• Mike Evans Departs: Big loss, team in transition.
• Baker Mayfield Saga:
  • Feels “disrespected” by contract offer, betting on himself instead of taking $50 million guaranteed.
  • “The problem… is I don’t think you can win a Super Bowl with Baker Mayfield.” — Matt (42:28)
• Prediction:
  • Drew and Billy expect a step back for Tampa.

Atlanta Falcons (44:59–46:58)

• Quarterback Carousel:
  • Michael Penix, Jr. faces a battle with Tua Tagovailoa (recent arrival), neither fully trusted as the starter.
  • “If you believe in Penix, you want someone who’s a stable backup… That means you don’t believe in him.” — Matt (45:27)
• **Bijan Robinson’s huge contract extension ($75M/3yr; $51M guaranteed).
• Prediction:
  • Over/under: 6.5; Matt: Over, Drew/Billy: Under.

New Orleans Saints (46:58–48:23)

• QB Tyler Shough:
  • No star power, team “just makes me sad”—blamed on poor stadium lighting.
• Recent Performance:
  • Ended prior season strong, but not much faith in improvement.
• Prediction:
  • Over/under: 7.5; Drew: Under, Billy: Over.

Drew’s Summary NFC South: All four teams are in play, but Panthers most likely to emerge atop the division.

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5. NFL News & Notable Moments (48:40–65:33)

Hall of Fame Game Preview (48:41–51:15)

• Thursday’s Preseason Opener:
  • Kenny Pickett (Carolina) vs. Carson Beck (Arizona); Beck’s Miami connections and dating a Cavender twin become running jokes.
  • “Carson Beck is...amazingly disrespected, right? I mean, Georgia won with him. He leaves, Georgia’s not as good, goes to Miami, they win, and yet...no one gives him any credit." — Matt (50:23)
• Jacoby Brissett compared to Penn Station: “solid value.”

Player Contracts & Market Trends (55:49–57:44)

• Bijan Robinson Sets New Running Back Contract Record:
  • $75M/3yr, $51M guaranteed, contrasted with Zay Flowers’ $140M WR deal (“overpay”).
  • “Part of me wonders if we've gone too far… now it’s undervalued. I think the Bijan Robinson contract showcases that…” — Matt (56:20)

Broadcast Shakeup (58:01–58:53)

• J.J. Watt replaces Tony Romo in CBS booth alongside Jim Nantz and Tracy Wolfson.
  • “He was just good from the minute he started. So I think Tony's in trouble here…” — Drew (58:43)

Will Levis “32 Best QB” Comments (58:53–61:16)

• Will Levis:
  • “There are not 32 quarterbacks in this league better than me.” (58:53)
  • “I think Will… if he can reach his max potential, that could be what he is: Jacoby Brissett.” — Matt (60:43)

Justin Herbert’s Public Fiance-Hair-Rub (61:16–62:13)

• Viral Training Camp Moment:
  • Debate on whether it's acceptable to have your fiancée fondle your hair on the field.
  • “That’s one of the better feelings in life… I’m going to take up for the hair rub.” — Matt (61:34)

Hard Knocks, NFL TV, and Pop Culture (62:20–65:32)

• Highlights & Nostalgia:
  • Favorite Hard Knocks scenes, importance of the right narrator, and how many series have tried copying the formula.
  • “I’m loyal to my woman of Hard Knocks. I think it’s the best. I love the music.” — Matt (64:38)

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Notable Quotes

• Matt Jones:

  • “If you ask, name the NFC teams that have made the Super Bowl twice since 2000... Panthers... two more than the Dallas Cowboys.” (04:29)
  • “How much money does a person need?” (11:54)
  • “Carson Beck is...amazingly disrespected, right?” (50:23)

• Drew Franklin:

  • “That offense was awesome last season... They averaged like 40 a game... On the other end, the defense was absolute trash.” (07:09)
  • "You can't just keep going... get us a second song, Carolina Mike, and I’ll be proud of you.” (39:59)
  • "Usually when you're at a place and you win a ring, that buys you a decade if you need it." (19:40)
  • On Bijan & Flowers deals: “I think the Bijan Robinson contract showcases that... now it's undervalued." (56:20)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |-----------------------------------------|------------| | Hall of Fame Game Banter & Trivia | 02:05–06:30| | NFC East Preview - Cowboys/Eagles | 06:30–21:13| | Commanders & Giants Analysis | 25:19–31:32| | Fantasy League Announcement | 31:39–34:07| | NFC South Preview | 37:37–48:23| | Hall of Fame Game News | 48:41–51:15| | Contract Extension Breakdown | 55:49–57:44| | TV Broadcast Changes | 58:01–58:53| | Will Levis/Quarterback Drama | 58:53–61:16| | Justin Herbert Fiance Hair Rub Segment | 61:16–62:13| | Hard Knocks & TV Show Nostalgia | 62:20–65:32|

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Memorable Moments and Fun Asides

• Extended riff on the Cavender twins, TikTok fame, and a Cowboys tight end marriage.
• Bet of the week: Matt’s "lock" is Giants under 7.5 wins (31:26).
• Hard Knocks nostalgia: Vince Wilfork in overalls, Cromartie naming his kids, and Rex Ryan foot jokes.
• Drawing parallels between NFL journeyman QBs and dependable sandwich shops.
• Matt’s loyalty to the classic Hard Knocks narrator (“I’m loyal to my woman of Hard Knocks”).

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Conclusion

Matt, Drew, and Billy provide a lively, stats-and-sarcasm-filled breakdown of the NFC East and South, making bold picks, poking fun at team identities, and mixing in the offbeat moments and pop culture references that define their fan-driven, football-for-everyone approach.

Next Episode Preview:
NFC West & Matt’s beloved NFC North up next—without Billy, who’ll be on wedding duty.

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NFL Cover 0 with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin is a production of the NFL and iHeart podcast. It is NFL Cover Zero ready to rock again. First week of August. Getting ready for the hall of Fame game coming up on Thursday. Or is it Thursday or Saturday?

Thursday?

[Billy R]

Thursday?

[Drew Franklin]

Thursday. First game of the year. Carolina and Arizona. You couldn't pick a better matchup to get the fans excited in Canton. Drew Franklin, Matt Jones and Billy R. Sports we are going to begin this week our NFL season previews. Going by division. We're going to do two two divisions each week. Today the NFC east and the NFC South. So one of the sexiest divisions and then, without question, the least sexy Division in sports. But Drew, nice to be with you. I will also catch up on all the news of the NFL. Going into training camp. Lots of injuries unfortunately, but yes. Ready for our first football tomorrow. You excited?

Coming up, just hours away from one of the. One of the rivalries in the NFL. I won't call it the biggest, but it is a cross country nfc.

Okay, what is the nfc? What is the biggest? Carolina Arizona moment. I mean, Carolina and Arizona are two teams that not all that long ago have made the Super Bowl.

Yeah. Couple former runners up in the. In the NFL and both times in

games that are memorable but not for them. Meaning like you had that great comeback by Roethlisberger and Pittsburgh against. Against them. That was them, right?

That was correct.

And then you had Jake Delome like throwing 61 interceptions in the super bowl against the Patriots. Am I right about that?

I think it might not be right at 61, but he was trying. He was on base in the 50s.

But yes.

Yeah. Decam Newton made one right up to Denver. Refused to fall on the ball, didn't jump on the fumble.

Didn't jump on the fumble.

So I've just been knocking on the door. That's why I'm looking forward to the hall of Fame.

But if you ask name a team that has made two Super Bowls since 2000, name the NFC teams that have made the Super bowl twice since 2000. I don't know how many people would. Would think of the Panthers as being an answer, but they are two more

than the Dallas Cowboys.

Yeah, I mean, well, just quickly, how many teams in the NFC have made more Super Bowls in the 2000s than. Than Carolina? So we know Dallas is not. The Giants I believe have made two. So the same now they won them, but still same amount. Eagles.

Eagles have more.

Eagles have been more 49. Commanders have not. Bears have not. Lions have not. Vikings have not. Packers I think have been more than two. Let's keep going. We're Saints. No. Falcons? No. Tampa. How many have they been to since they have 2,000?

Two.

But not. That's not more.

They won both.

[Billy R]

Correct.

[Drew Franklin]

But that's not more.

[Billy R]

Right.

[Drew Franklin]

Just talking about getting to the game, getting to there. Arizona? No. San Francisco. No. How many times are the rams been

since 2000?

Seattle's been three times.

[Billy R]

Well, I know the 49ers have at least three. So they are.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, the 49ers are ahead of them.

So the 49ers, Seattle and Philadelphia have made more Super Bowls since 2000 than the Panthers. But only three teams in the NFC. I just think that's an interesting little factoid that if you were to do it on, you know, your bar trivia, I don't know how many people would get the Panthers.

That's why they've tasted it. They've gotten so close.

I'm sure they've rubbed it on their mouth. They just haven't gotten to swallow.

Bryce Young probably has a Jake Delone picture next to his bed and he's thinking, I want to win for him.

Yes.

Not just for me. I want to go out and win for him and for Cam Newton.

So, you know, just an interesting little, little factoid for you kids out there. So we're gonna get, we're gonna start with, with some previews and we're gonna start with the NFC East. Now the question, I guess is, let's start at the top. Who do you have winning the nfcs? Cowboys, Eagles, Commanders or Giants? Cause I'll start with that team. I want to give you a chance to pick the order. Who, who do you have coming in first?

I'm just gonna go and be reckless right away. They pour the Dallas Cowboys potion every off season, but I'm drink, I am pouring myself a glass. I'm not ready to put them in the super bowl, but I think they get the division back this year.

Okay, we'll make the case.

That offense was awesome last season. They averaged like 40 a game. The pick and CD lamb combo ended up working out. Pickens revitalized his career. They're the best receiving duo. Dak healthy, looks like young. Dak again doesn't look like a guy on the back end of his career. New running back comes in, I think, I think he rushed for a thousand yards. The offense was spectacular. On the other end, the defense was absolute trash.

Brought in a lot of guys.

Yeah. Just as they could. As much as they could score 40, they could easily give up 40. But they, they fired your boy, Eber Fluss. He was a one and done coordinator. They bring in a new coordinator.

I could have told you that.

Got kind of a steal in the draft with Caleb Downs falling a little farther than they thought, even though he still got him at like 12 or something like that. If he pans out right away as a rookie, I think the defense can improve. But I expect the offense to repeat and be nearly as explosive as it was last year.

So it's easy and sort of the eye rolling about the Cowboys to overlook how much better their offense was last year. I mean, Dak was Dak again. Pickens look like you Know made the Steelers look stupid for letting him go. CD Lamb didn't have the year for most of the year that he normally had, but then had some good weeks towards the end. If they're all clicking, you're going to have. I mean what does Dak throw for? You know what, 5,000.

5,000 this year. 5,000 club. So they're tight end got married this off season to a Cavender. Isn't that what they're called?

Yeah, but I don't know if that's good.

I think that's how. That's their name. Right.

Remember Cavender, not cadaver.

Okay.

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[Drew Franklin]

He married a Cavender.

Yeah. Let's Ferguson.

So now he's laser focused. It was the biggest tight end marriage of the off season, I would say in the NFL.

[Billy R]

Yes.

[Drew Franklin]

Can't think of any bigger.

Do the Cavenders, I know they played sports, but I don't think I ever see them when they're not dancing. Do they have a talent that is not. I mean I know they did play sports, but I think they're. I think even under the current college sports rules their eligibility is over. Do they do anything but dance?

You know, they, they were high level college basketball players but they were big schools. I only know them for their tiktoking. I don't know that I've seen them taking a jump shot and I don't

know which one's which and I don't even know. I think one of them's names Hannah and the other one's name is Barbera.

It's pronounced Barbara, Barb and Hand. I think it's Haley. Haley.

Would you do that if you had twins? Would you name them things that are Hannah, Haley, Both. Ha. Or do you just go completely would like, you know, I told you and when I was growing up there were twins named Nathan and Nathaniel.

No, I wouldn't go. I wouldn't go that too far into it.

Why is that bad? Is it bad? She pronounced it Nathaniel too, Not Nathaniel. Yeah, that's.

[Billy R]

That's too similar. Like I would get Matthew and Michael for like two twins.

[Drew Franklin]

So you would do alliteration? Yes, but you wouldn't do. But they went two letters Hannah and

[Billy R]

like a different pronunciation of the same name seems a little crazy.

[Drew Franklin]

Matthew and Matthew. Yeah. So that really has a lot to do with how the Cowboys are going to do this year. But you, you are believing can win the division.

Yes. And I fully expect to be burned because Cowboys fans and people betting on them every year get burned. But I say this is the year they take it back from the Eagles.

Are you pro or con? Brian Schadenheimer?

I'm pro year one. Look fine. I mean, defense was awful, as we said, but they made a quick change there, made the right draft picks. They're still recovering from the Micah Parsons trade. The story has not been written on that yet. They lost the PR battle early, but if the youth can step up this upcoming season, maybe they end up winning that trade.

Jerry Jones, this week, I think he said something like, I have a race against. Against time, life versus winning a Super Bowl. What are the odds? Draftkings setting?

I'm not ready to put them in the big game yet. I think Jerry is still racing against that.

We're an NFL podcast. We can say, yeah, Super Bowl.

I'm not ready to put them there. I didn't get that deep into the potion. So I think Jerry is still racing

against the clock one year.

See, even though Dak looked young a year ago, his clock is also ticking. So I understand why Jerry feels the urgency right now.

He says he's considering selling a part of the team to Mark Cuban. That's interesting, isn't it? Like, two Dallas mega owners, mega personalities come together. Do they come together like Hulk and Macho at SummerSlam and then the mega powers explode at WrestleMania 5? I mean, what's happening here?

I think the real loser in that would be the Jones family, who just want to own everything and take over after Jerry. I think if Mark gets too big of a piece of the pie, maybe they have to start worrying about their future. If I were Jerry, you got enough money. Just keep the whole.

How much money does a person need?

Yeah, I mean, we do what the. The Seahawks just sell for $9 billion.

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The Cowboys worth more than that. Just hang on to it, Jerry. It's been a good investment for you.

I saw that. The Cowboys owner, the Seahawks owner, they asked him, you know, why he did it? And he goes, because it will be fun.

Which I thought, like, that attitude for

a man who just spent $9 billion, not a bad answer. It's fun.

Just so rich. I just want to go out and buy a football team.

Yeah.

[Billy R]

And then put his wife in charge, too, right?

[Drew Franklin]

I think he did, yes. I'm just trying to, you know, find bread that I can eat before it spoils. And they're like, I got bigger problems. I think I have bigger problems.

That's true.

He'll be fine.

Your smaller problem's way heavier on you than it does on me.

Small problems can't weigh Heavier. So what's your prediction on a record over? Under is nine and a half.

12 and five.

12 and five. All right, Billy.

I'm believing strong.

[Billy R]

I think Pickens has another great year. I think they really struck gold getting him. So I would take Cowboys to win the division this year and so I guess I would take the over on that nine and a half if I'm doing that prediction.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, I'm not picking them to win the division, but I think they will win. Well, the problem is I need to. I need to look at the schedule. I think they're right at that nine and a half, hence the number. I'm going to take the under just because I think they raised that number for the Cowboys because they know, they know their fans are going to do it. But I'm going to bet. So I'm going to take the under. But I think they go 9 and 8. Philadelphia Eagles, they were 11 and 6 last year. Won the division. They are. What do you think? I mean, you lose A.J. brown, you still got hurts. Feels like they took a major step back last year, but I also think people have given up on them a little quickly.

I'm not. I have them falling behind the Cowboys, but I'm not throwing them aside and giving up. Their offense just completely disappeared after being one of the best offenses in the NFL. They did not finish the strong. Finish the season strong at all. You can look at it one side and say maybe A.J. brown was, you know, the sideline antics and maybe having a little feud with Jalen Hurts kind of derailed everything. I think they're going to end up feeling AJ Brown loss more than it's going to help them. Even though his numbers dipped a little bit.

Tough start to the year, by the way. For them. They go Washington, then Tennessee, but then they have Bears, Rams, Jags, Panthers, Cowboys commanders again. I mean, like you, you know you're going to know about this team right out of the gate.

Yeah, they got to replace Brown and they drafted the guy from usc, believe Lemon to replace him. Now, if he shows up right away and is awesome, maybe that offense get back, gets back to form. But I think they take a little bit of a dip.

You do worry about the receiver position on this team. We'll see what they. What they end up happening defensively. You know, they're going to be great. I mean, they just keep still taking

advantage of these draft picks.

They just keep adding guys. And so one of the things I like about their team is if you get any offense at all, just even a minor upgrade. They're going to be really good. They're going to be in every game. I still like them to win the division again though they do play a first first place schedule includes games against the Seahawks. You got to play the Bears.

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[Drew Franklin]

But because the Bears sort of pulled off an upset last year and because the Seahawks may take a step back, I actually don't think the first place schedule is as bad as it normally would be.

That and eventually I don't think it'll be soon but eventually the Saquon decline is going to start. I mean the Giants thought that had already happened a few years ago and then we saw what happened in Philly two seasons ago. But also a lot of will ride on what version of Saquon and if he plays the whole year, what's the

over under for them? Do you have that?

[Billy R]

Not in front of me actually, but I can look it up.

[Drew Franklin]

Once you look it up there, you know that is part of your role.

[Billy R]

Well, you know they, they got everybody's best shot last year as the defending title. So maybe they did.

[Drew Franklin]

And I think that they had a microscope on them because they were coming off the title that I think won't be on there as much this year. I think not quite frankly. The Cowboys are going to get a lot of that attention. So you know, maybe that makes it a little bit better.

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What's interesting though, is that you have a guy, a coach, who won the super bowl two years ago that if he doesn't have a good year, this might get fired. Which is absolutely crazy. But it feels like the Eagles fans have never really warmed to him.

Yeah, no, he's got a ring on his finger and it doesn't feel like a fan favorite. Usually when you're at a place and you win a ring, that buys you a decade if you need it.

If he has a bad year this year, he's gone.

And after Hertz won the championship, you know they're doing the Jordan commercial and like, is this a future MVP of the league? And is this one of the best quarterbacks that are going to step up? And now if you look at like preseason rankings, he's not a top 10 quarterback.

Just get out. Which is, it's wild to me. Eagles fan Philadelphia what is it that makes that play so negative? Why do they get so angry?

They do.

Why would LeBron want to go there? I Mean, every. They're so angry about everything.

Every sport. It's like, it's not the team.

The Philadelphia Flyers had like one of their best years ever. And. And you know, people are like, well, fire the coach. I mean, you just had a good code like you first. You were good for the first time. Why? I don't know why they're like that. They're not like that. For Villanova, who crack their bell.

It's all that cheese whiz they're eating. It's those sandwiches. Yeah, it's all the cheese.

[Billy R]

Ten and a half.

[Drew Franklin]

Oh, I was going to say ten and seven. So I guess I'm under there.

Well, that's what you had, the Cowboys. So you're, you know, 12 and 5

on the Cowboys,

man. You know, Vegas is good at setting these lines. Have you noticed that?

[Billy R]

Seems like they do this for 11.

[Drew Franklin]

I'm going to go 11. So I'm going to take the over for them. But again, within a half. Half a game, there's going to be a mass a team in both the NFC and the AFC that takes a huge step back. The Eagles are a common pick for that. You're going nine, so you don't think a huge step back.

I'm going 10. Well, I think Cowboys and Eagles both sweep the other two teams.

So do you have. Who do you have taking a huge step back? Usually there's at least one team just in general in the NFC that will take a step back.

I have a few that I think played above their level. They weren't huge content.

You're going to say the Bears, though, aren't you?

No, no, I still like the Bears. I have a few teams like the Bucks, I think, have a big fall

ahead of me now.

I think the top. The cream is still at the top, but I think some teams that.

I think the Seahawks are in for a dice. The Seahawks have a big. I think the Seahawks take a step back. I don't know.

Did you watch Hard Knocks?

No. Is it the first episode out?

Came out last year.

What made it good?

I kind of did the Twitter recap where I feel like I saw all of it in little clips. But I fall for Hard Knocks.

I do. I love it.

Like the jets were on it. I'm like, yeah, jets are going undefeated. It gets me every time.

So it's out the first episode. That and Ted Lasso out the same night. How rude.

Ted Lasso came out last night.

First episode. Yeah. Know that first episode. He coaches a woman's soccer team in Kansas City.

Which I'm worried they're going to. They're going to tank Ted Lasso.

What do you mean when shows just

go on too long?

You think you're going to bring in, like, Cousin Oliver?

[Listener/Caller]

Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

It's just. They're just going to keep coming up

with storylines to color.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

So the best shows, they need to just cut it off.

Yeah. What shows? Okay. See, obviously they call that the jump the shark moment. Let's do the moment. A couple shows. Jump the shark. When was the Office over?

[Billy R]

When Michael left.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, that's an easy one. But I still think there were decent episodes for a little while. I think when James Spader. What was his name? Something California.

[Billy R]

Don't remember.

[Drew Franklin]

Do you remember that?

I've done a rewatch, so I didn't live in real time where I could fill the decline. I just binged them all.

You didn't feel the decline when Michael Scott left?

Not really. I mean, they had. Watching it.

They had that period where there would be guys there for like, a couple weeks, and I thought that was okay. But then they went, I think. Didn't they go with Spader for a little while? Was the name Robert California or is that his name? That's when I thought. And even though I love Ed Helms, there came a point that he was too much.

Too much at Helms.

They had too much at Helms.

Yeah. A lot of shows have gone on long, too far. I mean, that one has become a classic as it's gone on.

But, like, do you think the Simpsons has had that moment, or is it just like they'll be doing it 70 years from now?

I could see that lasting. It's like when you have a show has one good storyline and they wrap it up, then they're like, oh, I'm making money.

Like, well, they don't age either.

[Billy R]

Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

And they're, you know, they keep up. Like, I'm thinking the Walking Dead. There wasn't a moment, but it should have ended at, like, five seasons and now there's 30.

It's like a chore.

It's like, all right, can we ever just solve this zombie problem? Just keeps going.

But there are shows that never did that. Like, the Sopranos never did it. I don't think the Wire ever did it. Breaking Bad never did it. Seinfeld. Do you think it had a moment? It got a little weird in the last year. I remember, like, when Kramer was hitting golf balls into Wales. But then at the end, we, you know, they had a very famous final season with them sitting in the prison cell.

Yeah, those are more sitcom. I'm thinking like Homeland season one. Amazing. Should just ended it.

Oh, they should.

And then it gets into just not there.

Should have just Absolutely. Some shows like Ted Lasso Thrones had a moment like that.

Yeah. They're following the books. It got worse with time, but it's almost like when you have a good two or three seasons, I know you. You can't pull the plug as you're making money.

This is the NFC east preview. Why don't we talk about hard Lasso Ted Lasso Seahawk. Okay. Gotcha.

The Hard Knocks. It's timeless.

[Billy R]

Dexter.

[Drew Franklin]

It'll never get old.

[Billy R]

Another one that went on a little too long, I think.

[Drew Franklin]

I mean, how many. I never watched that show, but how many people could this man kill?

[Billy R]

Exactly.

[Drew Franklin]

Can we spoil it? He himself? Oh, yeah, yeah. I don't know how

he. He died and then like, well, we

need to bring him back, make more money. So just bring him back and we'll just pretend he didn't die. And you're like you're watching. I'm pretty sure he died.

He died in the last episode.

Yeah, but then they wanted a new season.

Ruined the series.

It's been out long enough.

Yeah. All right. With that, The Washington Commanders, 5 and 12 last year, third in the NFC. Missed the playoffs. You get Jaden Daniels back. So the question is, is Jaden Daniels going to be what he was two years ago? If he is, then the NFC east looks like it could be loaded. If it's. If he's not, then you have the scenario you were talking about where you could sweep those teams. Which one do you think it is?

I don't think they take much of a step forward. They had a lot of injuries last year. Maybe you're a little healthier. Like McLaren missed half the year, I think. But Jayden Daniels, he had several injuries. I don't see them doing much better than. Well, you said five wins last year. I'll give them six. I think it's going to be a big gap between Eagles, Cowboys and Commanders.

[Billy R]

Seven and a half.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. That's a definite under for me. I mean, they have. Wasn't that the worst defense in the league last year?

[Billy R]

It was the worst.

[Drew Franklin]

So, I mean, you can't imagine it gets that much better. Daniels has not a ton of weapons. We may just look at that one year it's just a complete flu.

He got set back pretty bad with injuries left year. He himself had two or three different ones than your top receivers out for most of the year. But I just don't see him recovering and taking a big step forward.

The year they won all those games, they were very close. A lot of them. You know, I mean, they had some crazy pull out wins at the end.

A little bit of a surprise factor from him, too.

Yeah. You know, I find Washington to be a hard team to care about.

When's the new stadium open?

It's crazy because when I was a kid, when I was a kid, Washington was one of the marquee franchises. Like a Washington Dallas game. You stop the presses, which in and of itself is a dated phrase.

They actually stopped the presses with this game?

Yes. No, they did. That used to mean something. Mario, do you know what that means? Stop the presses? See, again, he's. Well, they had newspaper presses where they would do the newspapers and if a big story came out, they need to change the newspaper. They would go, stop the presses. And it would go, unplug it, unplug it. Then you'd have to redo it. He's looking at me like I'm.

Now you just edit your blog and then put it on Twitter.

You're looking at me like if somebody was trying to tell me about steamships.

Mario, have you ever held a newspaper?

Yeah. Yes. That's how he packs when he moves from place to place. So we're all taking the underground under there for me. All right. Finally, the Giants. Jackson Dart. You've got second year for Jackson Dart. He's been making the rounds. Hollywood reporter said he's one of the 25 hottest talents in entertainment. Under 25, which I don't really consider him to be in entertainment. Does he take a big step up for year two?

They lost sexy dexy to the Bengals. You know, they had Harbaugh that was excited about. But did you watch Harbaugh's cringy speech about where the New York football Giant. I know he's a great coach. That was a good hire, but I don't think he. He turns them around. In year one, I think they finished fourth in the. In the standings.

Can I ask you why? Billy produced like a little mini preview for us, which was very nice. And you wrote, Harbaugh's first season is expected to be a thud. And you put thud in quotation marks. Did you mean dud?

[Billy R]

Well, thud dud. I think it kind of has the same message.

[Drew Franklin]

Like hit, but it would mean like it hit with a thud.

[Billy R]

Yeah. This is just kind of what I've seen around the league, what they've been saying.

[Drew Franklin]

So what are they saying it's gonna

[Billy R]

be a thud of a season for the Giants.

[Drew Franklin]

I haven't seen that language used anywhere else.

[Billy R]

Well, stop the press.

[Drew Franklin]

Put that in the.

Yeah, I mean you think John Harbaugh. Second stop. You, you know, some coaches continue the run. Some drop off you have. Mike McCarthy was a drop off. Andy Reid though, just as good. Better. Which one is John Harbaugh?

He's still a good coach. I just, I don't believe, you know, Cam's had another year with money. He's probably gone out and done God knows what. He and Dart both got. I mean they earned their attention their rookie year. I think they got a little caught up in the celebrity. Well, there's gonna be a big fud coming for them.

I mean, one thing to take up for Scatterboat.

Boo.

Scatter Boo. Scatter bow. Scatter Boo. Is this that his shelf life is very low. Like he's got like three years left in him and then, I mean he. Remember Peyton Hillis?

Oh, yeah.

He was on the COVID of Madden.

Scalabu will be in the UFC in four years.

Yeah. Whereas Jackson Dart is handsome. New York, like where he's going to be in our lives for a long time.

See, I think he's gotten too caught up and I'm handsome. I'm in New York losing thinks he's too handsome. He's like, where's. Where's the Met Gala this year? I think it's at every place the same year. I think it's at the Met. He's looking for. He's trying to get into, you know, all the restaurants and who got too caught up in that rookie year.

[Billy R]

Success, you know, hopefully like neighbors comes back healthy. But OBJ is back with the Giants.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, they guys, I mean I was looking here. They brought in, they brought in some receivers, a tight end. You've got Calvin Austin, Isaiah, Live likely. I mean they're trying but they won four last year. More. More or less this year.

So they run it back before? No, they were pretty beat up last year. I'll give them five.

What's the over?

[Billy R]

Under seven and a half.

[Drew Franklin]

Now they do. They let me look at their schedule because one of them, the worst of the worst one things you have to look at. Here's the start of their season. Cowboys, Rams, Titans, Cardinals, Commanders, Saints, Texans, Eagles. I mean that's not an easy start, right? I mean they don't play the really bad teams. They actually don't play a lot of really bad teams. Oh, I'm definitely taking it under. I didn't know they. I would have thought it was six and a half. It is seven and a half.

[Billy R]

Seven and a half.

[Drew Franklin]

That's going to be. All right. Write that down. That is the Matt Jones first lock of the season win total.

Okay, I'm with you.

Giants under you like that one?

Yeah. I have two games under three.

Okay, so we have our first lock. Put everything you got on that. By the way, I do think we're going to do a fantasy.

[Billy R]

Oh, cool.

[Drew Franklin]

So Paul has agreed to run it.

[Billy R]

All right.

[Drew Franklin]

What?

[Billy R]

Paul likes to step it up.

[Drew Franklin]

Yes, we're going to do. But here's the thing. We're going to do a live draft.

Okay.

It'll be scheduled for sometime the last week of August. So if you would like to play. Who are we? Well, you're going. You're about to get married, so we can send it to you. I'll tell you what. Text Paul right now. Ask for an email address. All right. While we're doing this preview and before the show's over, I will give out the email address if you want to play. But you will have to be available for the live draft. All right. Does that work?

How many people we want in this league?

We'll figure it out.

[Billy R]

Yeah, 10 or 12 is probably what you want to go with.

[Drew Franklin]

Some people say 14.

[Billy R]

14's a little too much. If you don't like working the waiver wire. Me?

[Drew Franklin]

But I like the waiver wire.

[Billy R]

Yeah, It's a lot. Yeah. I don't think you want 14 teams.

[Drew Franklin]

I want you don't tell me what I want.

[Billy R]

Fine, you're getting yourself into it.

[Drew Franklin]

Do we not want 14? Do I want 14?

Seems like a lot.

Fine, we'll do 12. Whiny.

[Billy R]

But you're going to try to get Calvin Austin on your team. If there's.

[Drew Franklin]

We'll do 12. Three of them will be the three of us. Do we let Paul have a team?

I think Paul's four.

So we're picking eight teams.

Okay.

So. But you need to be able to come to the draft. Likely. The draft will be sometime the last weekend of August, which is also when my party is. So we may might be that. Like that Sunday, August 30th, sometime that weekend. Okay.

[Billy R]

You want standard scoring, PPR.

[Drew Franklin]

Do we have to decide today?

[Billy R]

I guess Paul will make those decisions.

[Drew Franklin]

Do we have to? I mean, we don't have to decide right now, do we?

[Billy R]

I'm just gauging how excited you are for this league.

[Drew Franklin]

I want it to be very in depth. Super Flex 2 quarterbacks I want to flex your face. I mean, we set your team name.

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[Drew Franklin]

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[Billy R]

Okay.

[Drew Franklin]

Might make it. But we hopefully we set a group. Maybe we stay together for a few years.

[Billy R]

Yeah, that's the. That'd be.

[Drew Franklin]

So you gotta make your case. I want to have like a diverse group. If there's a woman that wants to play, that would be nice just for, you know, and then so you.

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[Drew Franklin]

So we'll write you. Paul's gonna give you an email address whenever, Whenever Drew gets it. Okay.

Yeah.

[Billy R]

Sounds like plan.

[Drew Franklin]

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[Drew Franklin]

All right, let's go to the NFC south wide open. All four teams. Think all four teams have a shot.

I guess they have a shot. None of them finished above.500 last year, so it's anyone's game.

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[Drew Franklin]

This is the division you follow the most because of your bucks. Who will let you go? Who are you going first?

[Billy R]

You know, the Panthers seem to be on an upward trajectory for sure.

[Drew Franklin]

Last year three teams finished eight, nine.

[Billy R]

Yeah, well, Tampa lost nine of their last 11 games to lose to the division. So I really, I don't know how to feel about Tampa this year. You know, we'll talk a lot about Baker Mayfield maybe later in the news and some comments he made. But, but I, I. It feels like Carolina is starting to take the torch.

[Drew Franklin]

You're gonna take Carolina?

[Billy R]

Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

What's the over under our wins?

[Billy R]

Carolina's over under is right here in front of me. Sitting at the number seven and a half.

[Drew Franklin]

Okay, so there are. Who got the first place schedule? Cause they all tied. Did Carolina did.

Yeah.

All right. Seven and a half. I'm gonna take the over. I still believe in them. I mean this is really the Bryce Young yes or no, right? Like that's what this is. We will decide yes or no. I'm Bryce Young this year. Are you at yes or are you at no?

I will tiptoe into yes category. I agree. You know, he's coming up, he'll need an extension. They'll have to make a decision on if he's the future. They'll probably go back to the draft. Part of it is just because he was so nice to us at the super bowl. One of the nicer people we interviewed. So I'm already on his team when we got behind the Panthers last year. So I'm going To believe in him, to at least lead them to a repeat division championship.

[Billy R]

Can they capture the magic of Carolina Mike again? Can they have a podcast?

[Drew Franklin]

Okay, we need to talk about Carolina Mike. So Carolina Mike, Love his song. Love everything about it. You got to get a second hit. I've heard him sing some version of that song 150 times. I give him credit. He got to the ACC tournament. He did wake for. He did it at the Panthers game. But we got to get it. We. There's gotta be. But there's gotta be a second song in him. Like, I. You can't just keep going. You can't be like, tag team. And you had woomp. There it is. And then, whoomp, there's an Adams. So get us a second song, Carolina Mike, and I'll be. I'll be proud of you.

I think he can ride this in another four or five years. You just named all the places that got them already. Why? Why divert from what's working?

Yeah, but I mean, he does it about everything. He'll be like, what is 150,000? Yeah, if I had 150,000, I'd buy dairy Queen. It's like, okay.

It's pretty awesome. Got a great formula going. He was an accountant and then makes.

I think he's probably still an accountant. I don't think he's. I would suggest he keep that job.

I think he waits. And if they make the playoffs again, then you debut a new song for

the super bowl run. You know, I'm taking him over. Taking over.

[Billy R]

Seven.

[Drew Franklin]

Speaking of over. Speaking of playoffs, they had the Rams beat last year in the first round as a huge. They were like, the biggest underdog in playoff history. And then we're leading with, like a minute left. Remember, the Rams had to come back and score touchdown.

A lot of people forget about.

So they ended on a decent note for their standards.

They. They opened the season. It's interesting to see the start of their season. They opened their season with the Bears, then the Falcons and the Browns. So, like, you know, you can win those. But then they go Lions, Eagles, Bucks, Packers, Broncos stuff. Stretch, tough stretch. That Bears game, though, if they could somehow win it there at home, you know, it's.

It's possible. I don't know that Bryce is ever going to be a top 10 or even 15 guy.

Can he get to be as good as Baker?

[Billy R]

Yeah, that's a good question. Who would you take, Baker or Bryce Young this next season?

[Drew Franklin]

This season?

[Billy R]

Yes.

[Drew Franklin]

I'll take Baker.

Yeah.

But if you're asking me Can Baker, Can Bryce become Baker? I don't see why he couldn't. I think he could become that good.

His size will always be working against him.

Yeah, but Baker's not the biggest dude in the world.

Yeah. I went to a Panthers game in person and it is truly unbelievable how that's the size of starting quarterback when you see him. I mean, we stood next to him in San Francisco, not a big guy. And that's never going to change.

[Billy R]

Remember the Panthers had Baker running defensive drills when he was at training camp with them. Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield. Carolina Panthers before Bryce Young.

[Drew Franklin]

That is an interesting stat. All right, well, let's go to your Tampa Bay bucks. What do I need to know?

[Billy R]

Mike Evans is gone. It's sad, sad day.

[Drew Franklin]

That's all I need.

[Billy R]

Well, I mean, there's more than that.

[Drew Franklin]

What about Baker? He wants a lot of money, right?

[Billy R]

Yeah. So this was part of, like the news I was going to do later.

[Drew Franklin]

Let's just do it right now.

[Billy R]

Yeah. So he is disrespected, Matt. He feels undervalued with the contract offer that Tampa gave him over $50 million.

[Drew Franklin]

And what does he want?

[Billy R]

Well, he averages 33 million per season right now in his current contract. He's 31 years old. He was offered two year deal worth over 100 million, but he felt that the guaranteed money was low and he wanted longer than two years.

[Drew Franklin]

So how old is he?

[Billy R]

31.

[Drew Franklin]

See, that's the thing is, in my mind, he's older than that, but he's not. He's 31 years old. So that's not like he's got on paper four to five more years of really productive football. But you don't think about it like that with him. Or at least I don't. Um, yeah, I don't know. I mean, the problem with Baker Mayfield is I don't think you can win a Super bowl with Baker Mayfield. So I don't think you can pay him $65 million or whatever, because I think if you do, he's not at that level. At the same time, you're not going to be able to get somebody better than him. So he's in that zone that just hurts you where it's just good enough that you need him, but not good enough that he can win it for you. And I think that's a terrible zone to be in, and I kind of think that's where he is.

And his timeline last year was backwards. He was an MVP candidate for like six or seven weeks and then just throwing all kinds of interceptions towards the end of the year and now we'll see how much, how helpful was it having Mike Evans.

So he didn't want the 2 years 50 million. He's going to play on the 33 million and bet on himself.

[Billy R]

Which if we're finding one positive of this, I think he plays better with the chip on his shoulder.

[Drew Franklin]

And if he feels $17 million, I mean he's getting. He could, he could get $17 million more than he has now for this year and then 50 next year. So it's a $67 million gamble. Would you do that if you were Baker? Do you think it will pay off? Do you think next year he will get a deal that will in the long run because in order for it to be valuable, his deal next year is going to have to make up the 17 million he did not get. Get at least 50 next year and then presumably go longer. I mean do you think that'll end up working out?

I have my doubts.

I kind of do too.

He's lucky being in the NFC south. If you're going to bet on yourself playing against the Panthers, Falcons and Saints right now is a decent path to get you enough wins and look good enough. But I, I still think his first year without Evans, I mean they have a. I don't know it off top of my head but they have a pretty big losing record when Mike Evans was out. I think. I think it's just a lot to ask for him to make a jump that big and get paid a lot more.

[Billy R]

He deserves it if anybody does. I mean he replaced Brady. I would. And There are over 10 quarterbacks that make I believe that kind of money at the quarterback spot. So it wouldn't be unprecedented for him to get that.

[Drew Franklin]

Okay, but isn't he about the 10th or 11th quarterback?

[Billy R]

I would agree with that.

[Drew Franklin]

So if there's over 10, I mean that's probably what they should.

[Billy R]

We're on the line.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, I mean I kind of think that's what he's worth. All right, what's. Let's go with the Falcons 8 and 9. We're going to see what is this finally going to be Michael Pinnock's Jr. But we also have to one of the quarterback battles. Probably two of the favorite one would

think what a great spot for quarterback. We have B John Robinson, Drake London

and the highest paid running back but

I still don't think they have a quarterback. I don't think you go get to if you don't believe in Pinnocks I know he's coming off an injury.

No, they clearly don't believe in.

I don't believe in either one of

those two is also not a, I mean, he's an injury concern. So if you, if you believe in pinnocks, you want someone who's a stable backup to go get another guy. Like that means you don't believe in him and you can't really believe in Tua.

Tua look good the last two seasons.

So I just, it's hard. But Bijan Robinson's great. I mean, I could see the Falcons winning seven or eight again, but I don't see them being a lot better than that.

If either of those guys, whoever has the job is just decent. I mean, you're loaded with playmakers, but I don't think, I don't think they have quarterback.

Will we see a good two a year again?

I'm afraid it's over. Part of it. He signed a big deal, I think two years ago and hadn't looked right since. And of course, we all know the injury situation where he keeps getting his head rocked. So I think he's on a quick decline.

You don't think there'll be a good two, three years

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We'll have two, three good games that he plays in a season. But as far as him being a franchise quarterback that's behind.

[Billy R]

What's the over under for the Atlanta Falcons, the team we're just talking about right now that I like when you don't have coach.

[Drew Franklin]

They got Stefanski, right?

Fanski believe I'm coach over six and a half because I think they're going to be like right at that line and they won, what, eight last year? I don't see any reason to think they'll be worse than they were last year. So, yeah, give me the over.

I'll go under.

[Billy R]

I'll go under. I'm a hater.

[Drew Franklin]

All right, let's go to the Saints. Tyler Shuck. You talk about a quarterback.

I, he had a winning record for the Saints last year.

And what's crazy is I, I'm not even sure what he looks like. Like, if Tyler Shuck walked in here, he'd have to have a shirt on that says Shuck.

Yeah, for me, I would need his jersey on.

Yeah, I mean, I, I, there's no quarterback that I'm less aware of. I can't watch Saints Games. I've talked about this. They make me sad. They need to have more lights. It's so dark in that stadium. It just feels like I'm watching like a game from 1987. And it just makes me sad, too. I don't know. It's just. I. I think it's really a lighting issue.

[Billy R]

What's the over under for the Saints? It's seven and a half. And remember they started two and ten last year, ended six and eleven. It was a heck of a run.

[Drew Franklin]

So they're seven and a half and the Falcons are six and a half.

[Billy R]

That is the number. Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

That's weird to me. I think you can't go both over. So you're going to go both under. Well, somebody's got to win these games in this division.

I'm believing in the Panthers.

Okay. I'm going to go under. I feel like they should have the same number, so I'm going to go under. What about you?

[Billy R]

I'm going to go over expecting a little bit of a drop off from my Bucks. I think they. They ended well and they'll. They'll play.

[Drew Franklin]

You are believing in the Saints, not believing in the Bucks?

[Billy R]

Yeah, unfortunately.

[Drew Franklin]

All right, well, there's your NFC east and NFC South. Next week we will do the rest of the nsc, the west and my North. That will be without Billy. But Drew and I will be ready to roll with that. All right, so I guess now we gotta know what's happening in the world. Give me some news.

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[Billy R]

Yeah. I want to gauge your guys's excitement level for the hall of Fame game Thursday at 8pm Canton, Ohio.

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We've got our quarterback matchup. It will be Kenny Pickett versus Carson Beck.

[Drew Franklin]

Thank God.

[Billy R]

Actually, Gardner Minshew might play some time behind Carson Beck for the Arizona Cardinals. But the debut of Mike LaFleur for the Arizona Cardinals. We did get the new Jeremiah Love will not be playing in this game. The third overall.

[Drew Franklin]

So this is sad. So you're saying it's Carolina, Arizona, Kenny Pickett vs Carson Beckham Beck who plays for which team?

[Billy R]

Oh, no.

[Drew Franklin]

Carson Beck's future of Arizona.

[Billy R]

That's right.

[Drew Franklin]

Get out of here, Jacoby Brissette. It's Carson Beck time.

Oh. People are saying he's turning heads. Who are these people?

People who had their heads turned. Yeah, people online.

Cramp camp hasn't been going on that long. How many heads could he turn in?

Also, didn't he date a cavender?

[Billy R]

He did.

[Drew Franklin]

He did.

That's right.

He went to Miami for the Cabinet. Wow. The cabinets just keep coming up. Good publicity for them because I like they. They had a shot to pass Alex Earl and then it didn't happen. Now s girl has far out, left them.

I didn't think we would have two cabinet references on our NFC East.

Carson Beck is a guy who on paper should be an NFL quarterback, but it just never quite. Teams have had success, and yet no one gives him any credit for it. I mean, Miami got to what, the championship.

Who did?

[Listener/Caller]

Indiana.

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[Billy R]

They beat Miami in the championship, has a chance to throw the last pass of the college football season and the first pass of the NFL season.

[Drew Franklin]

Look at that fun fact.

That is a fun fact.

[Billy R]

Yeah, I saw that online. I can't take full fun fact.

[Drew Franklin]

But, I mean, Carson Beck is amazingly disrespected, right? I mean, Georgia won with him. He leaves, Georgia's not as good, goes to Miami. They win, and yet I can see why he would turn heads, especially if

the competition is Jacoby Brissette.

I like Jacoby Brissette.

I do, too. But he's been everywhere.

You know what? Jacoby Brissette is like Penn Station. Okay, yeah, these other sandwich that companies can come and go, but you know what you're getting in Penn Station. You walk in, Penn Station gives you solid value. That's Jacoby Brissette.

Handcuffed fries.

Everybody else comes and goes. Jacoby's right there. I'm the 39th best quarterback in the

league, 33 years old.

I mean, it's a long career for

Jacoby, just cashing NFL checks.

Good for him.

[Billy R]

And a reminder, it's Panthers, Cardinals, because both teams have a player being inducted into the hall of Fame this. That weekend.

[Drew Franklin]

So is this also. I can't remember. This is where they also pick. When do they pick the hall of Famers for next year at the Super Bowl? When. When do they do that?

[Billy R]

I don't think they do that yet

[Drew Franklin]

because it's always a weird thing. They make them all go sit in a hotel or something, and then some of them get a knock and the rest of them get told to go home.

Sounds like a dating game.

But have you noticed that, like, they're all sitting in a hotel and then

[Billy R]

it'll be like, I know. Yeah, the guy that does it, he's very famous.

[Drew Franklin]

Or he is very famous.

They just put them on a hallway and there's.

Maybe that's a different sport. One of these sports, they put them all in a hotel and then some of them get a knock and the others just get told to go home.

[Billy R]

I've seen them at home for the NFL one, so I'm not sure.

[Drew Franklin]

The NFL's big on doing surprises. I have like a former teammate.

Like they always have a Jimmy Johnson on the thing. Okay, so it must be a different I know I have seen a sport Love is Blonde. It's not Love is Blonde. They have a sport where they fly everybody out and everyone sits in a hotel room and some people get a knock. The other people get told see you next year.

That's that Mr. Beast Beast game Show.

[Billy R]

Okay, so yeah, Larry Fitzgerald, Luke Keakley, Drew Brees, Adavidateri and Roger Craig are the five guys getting enshrined over the weekend.

[Drew Franklin]

Big game I like they're saving the super bowl rematch for week one, but this is a good teaser for week one preseason.

[Billy R]

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[Billy R]

Let's talk a little money we talked about Falcons running back Bijan Robinson signing a three year 75 million contract extension, making him the highest paid running back in NFL history with a record $51 million guaranteed. But this shows you how devalued the running back position is. Ravens wide receiver Zay flowers got a four year, $140 million contract extension with 108 million guaranteed. His 35 million per year makes him the fourth highest paid receiver in the NFL right now.

[Drew Franklin]

So part of me wonders if we've gone too far in the other direction, where the running back position was so overvalued that now it's undervalued. And I think the Bijan Robinson contract showcases that they gotten the point that people were just like, well, you can have anybody. And I don't think that's true. I think there are five or six guys that are just better than everybody else. And you know, think about it. You get the ball more, right?

He catches the ball too.

He's both. So I it's high. But when your quarterbacks are too and Michael Penix, then I'm okay with it. I don't think you could pay that kind of money to Patrick Mahomes running back, right? That wouldn't work. But on that team I think it makes some sense. And say Flowers contract to me is a lot crazier because I just don't see him as $140 million receiver.

But you know Bijan, I understood he had almost 2500 yards.

That's a lot of money. I mean That's a lot of money to pay a running back. Like, the league had gone away from that. And then I think six Juan Barkley and Derek Henry, like, kind of convinced him. Okay, you can still do that.

Yeah. He's still really young. He's only been in the league two or three years. I like that one, the Zay Flowers one. I couldn't believe he's now the fourth highest paid receiver. He's never had more than five touchdowns in a season. I know that because last year I bet him on anytime touchdown almost every week, and I'm like, can this guy not get in the end zone?

But he got his bag.

He did get his bag. But would you call him the fourth best receiver in the NFL?

No, not at all. Yeah, so that one is an overpay. Bijan. Probably a slight overpay, but considering the team and the circumstance, I actually think it's. It makes some sense. What's next?

[Billy R]

All right, what's next is that JJ Watt has been tapped to replace Romo in the CBS booth alongside Jim Nance and Tracy Wolfson. After 12 seasons in the NFL, JJ recently took over for Charles Davis alongside Ian Eagle as the second broadcast team for cbs. But it was announced that Tony would be taking a leave or was placed on leave until further notice by cbs. After the the actions of this past

[Drew Franklin]

week, JJ was great right away. Like Brady and even Romo, they need a little time to get their footing under him. I oddly feel like he had, even though he was number two team, I feel like that he and I and Eagle were on a lot of Titans games, so I heard those two a lot last year. And he, he was just good from the minute he started. So I think Tony's in trouble here for that, having that number one spot.

No, he, he. JJ's not giving that up because he's too good. And what's interesting is you have this scenario where I actually think Tom Brady has improved a lot. All right, what's next?

[Billy R]

Let's talk about a couple quarterbacks here. Titans quarterback Will Levis had some interesting words in the media recently. He said he is 100% a starting quarterback in the NFL. Quote, There are not 32 quarterbacks in this league better than me. I know I've put the tape out there already and that I'm a dang good quarterback in this.

[Drew Franklin]

Dang good. You got to believe that if you're him, right? You don't want to be like, there are 49 quarterbacks better than me. I'm 50th you got to say I'm one of the best 32 and I don't think that's. I don't know if he is. I think he probably isn't. But I don't think that's a crazy thing to say that like he could be maybe.

Well you could put him. I'm not ready to say he's top 32 but you could put him in the room with Jacoby Brissette and Carson Beck and he could win that job. He could win it over two in Pennocks. Well I'm just saying those guys and

there's a Shador and Deshawn.

Yeah. There's certain QB rooms he would fight for a job in. I don't know that he would win it.

Cam Ward may end up getting hurt at some point and will Levis will play and he'll get a chance to show it. People don't like guys who haven't done anything who talk especially when he did play and it didn't go great.

I maintain that the operation around him, no one would have succeeded on that team that year.

He'll get a chance. He's on the Titans this year. He's going to get a chance and if it doesn't work out there he'll get another chance. I mean guys that get picked at that level, someone will give them a shot. So if he is one of the best 32 but it is kind of a cringy like but he's our guy. He's a Kentucky dude. Will he be a starter in the NFL again?

I lean no. Even though I think I think the team would be smart to add him to let him compete be a full time starter. I'll still say no, but I'm not. I think he's much better than he gets credit for.

You know what I think his peak career could look like? Jacoby Brissette, you know somebody like that who's like always like the second string guy but if you need him to play, he can play. I think Will if he can reach his max potential that could be what he is.

Yeah. There are quarterbacks all over the league who have to come in and play because of injuries or other circumstances where I'd have him way above them as a second qb. Yeah. Marcus Mariota played a bunch of games last year for the Commanders. I'd rather have Levis in my in my room than a lot of guys already out there.

[Billy R]

Another quarterback. Are you guys out on Justin Herbert after what was seen at training camp the other day with his fiance Madison Beer.

[Drew Franklin]

I saw that guy engaged. What did he do at training camp?

[Billy R]

Well, during the family period of the training camp, they were sitting crisscross applesauce on the field as Madison fondled his hair.

[Drew Franklin]

Hair.

Oh, I'm for it. I love having my hair fondled. No, I mean, like, that's one of the better feelings in life. Like, if somebody, like, puts their hand, like, through the edges because you. But darn, like, sit on the sideline, you have a lot of, like, sensors. Oh, yeah, no, like, like where your hairline is. Like, like right here, like, is one of the best. Like, you're more sensitive around your hairline than almost anywhere. So when someone, like, rubs you like that. Oh, yeah, yeah. But you know what? They're both good looking. They're engaged. I'm going to take up for the hair rub.

[Billy R]

I need a clip of that hair rub part. Mario, make sure we get that on social.

[Drew Franklin]

Just like I could see Jaden Daniels doing this with his mom in Washington.

[Billy R]

One final news note. We touched on it a little bit. Hard knocks started its 27th season this week. It's the first episode of Five with the defending super bowl champs. It's the first time they've done that. The Seattle Seahawks. Some highlights from the first episode. Sam Darnold dropped his super bowl ring from the box to start the show. You also had a lot of.

[Drew Franklin]

Dropped it.

[Billy R]

Like he dropped the ring when he got it on the ground.

[Drew Franklin]

Okay. That's a highlight.

[Billy R]

A lot of cussing. Running backs coach Thomas Hammock takes the mature rating on the HBO show, but it is Mike McDonald's third season with the Seattle Seahawks and he's been the star of the show.

[Drew Franklin]

I love this show. Best moments in the history of Hard Knocks. Here's just a couple that come to my mind when that one rookie made fun of Shannon Sharp.

Oh, yeah.

And he was like, yeah, yeah, I like that one. Dan Campbell giving the Metallica speech. When you look into the soul of the abyss, the abyss looks into you.

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[Drew Franklin]

The whole Ravens one was great that year with all those guys. What else am I missing? There were. There were other guy on the Cowboys that sang.

I always like when they either have to do the sing or get up or.

I'm talking about the guy who thought he was a really good singer and like, he was trying, like they were. He was like trying to get his music career going.

I like the when they have to say their signing bonus because like, the quarterback, you know, the whole crowd goes crazy for them.

Yeah.

There's a one year And I want to say it's Antonio Cromartie couldn't name his kids. That would start.

I remember that.

Yeah.

Yeah, those are all good. I'm trying to think. There are. I know there are others.

[Billy R]

Vince Wilfor's overalls.

[Drew Franklin]

I do remember Vince Wilfor's overalls. That's right. Was that also when Rex Ryan noted his foot fetish was on Hard Knocks or he joked about it?

[Billy R]

I don't know the origin of the.

[Drew Franklin]

That's also when I learned if Rex Ryan's brother was on one of those shows.

The jets one was really funny. They had a bunch of personalities like Quinn and Williams was great on there.

Yeah. No, it's a great show. One thing, I can't ever get into the. In season one, for whatever reason I

haven't, but I've also. There's. There's so many people have copycatted it now, and they're good, but like, I'm watching that Quarterbacks on Netflix. Yeah, but I'm just saying there's so many have spawned from that. It's hard to keep up with all of them.

I. I'm a one. I'm. I. I'm loyal to my woman of Hard knocks. I think it's the best. I love the music.

If they were to ever change that, just cancel the show.

Is the one guy still narrating Liv Schreiber? I saw him on the street once in New York. He was hosting Saturday Night Live that week. And I saw him and I so wanted to just. I was like, I should go talk to him. And then I realized, what am I gonna say? Aren't you a guy Hard Knocks? Because, like, to me, that's what he is. Like, what else he's been in. He was some show where he's like, Reacher.

Ray Donovan.

Ray Donovan, Yeah.

He's been in big stuff. But, you know, people admire him most for Hard Knocks.

I just love his voice and the.

[Billy R]

Well, yeah, that one year Paul Rudd was the narrator. Just didn't hit the scene.

[Matt Jones]

Same.

[Drew Franklin]

Oh, Paul Rudd.

I don't remember.

I don't remember that. Well, they got to get Shriver. Shriver. Shriver. Anyway, Schreiber. Schreiber.

Shriber.

Well, Billy, who's on here is getting married.

[Billy R]

Yes.

[Drew Franklin]

Congratulations on Saturday. Send your cover zero gifts. I've already gotten the fish spatula, so don't worry. You can't. You don't have to get that.

[Billy R]

Tate Ratledge jersey would be coming for

[Drew Franklin]

my gift and the bottle of wine.

Yeah, a lot of stuff still comes mail slow nowadays. I don't know why that is, but congratulations.

[Billy R]

Yeah, thank you.

[Drew Franklin]

And if you would like. Do we have the email address for the show?

[Billy R]

I texted him too. I didn't get one.

[Drew Franklin]

Oh, let me just give my next week. By next week we'll have it. So be preparing to. If you would like to be in the fantasy football league again, you have to show up at the draft in Kentucky. And honestly, the farther away you are, if you commit to, the more likely we are to put you in it. Like, if you're like in Buffalo. I don't know why you would do this until.

Ron, get in here.

Yeah, it would be Carolina Mike.

We should have just had a celebrity. Could have gotten the couple. Yeah. Brown spider. Carolina Mike. Well, we're doing.

No, we're doing a lot. I've always wanted to do a live draft. I've never done a live draft. That's. That's kind of partially why you'll be

[Billy R]

over it by round five, I'm sure.

[Drew Franklin]

Don't tell me what I'll do.

Takes a while. It does take. It's a big commitment.

Doesn't take a while if you do it right.

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