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Deebo Samuel
Joe, I'm gonna go ahead slide on through your boy Jameer Gribbs. He came back. He came back, but I see why he came back. Okay, alliance and Jamil Gribbs, they agreed to a three year $67.5 million contract to make him now the highest paid running back in NFL history. Including.
Joe Haden
Joe, turn it down.
Deebo Samuel
51 million in guarantees. On top of that, the Colts and Jonathan Taylor have agreed to a two year $44 million extension with3.39 million guarantee. Joe, they said the running back market was going down. Joe, do you think this right here, this is bringing the position back? Why is the stock rising? What's going on? What do you think? Is it back? Is they popping? What's going down?
Joe Haden
Joe, they understanding what's going on? Deebo the running back market is getting to where it needs to because they're getting as just as much touchdowns and, and they're receiving the ball too. Like Gibbs, Bijon Robinson, those dudes, they're catching the ball and they're running the ball. They scored 30, we got 36 touchdowns for Gibbs, we got 44 touchdowns for Derrick Henry, we got 36 touchdowns for the other back. So like what I'm saying is they understand it with Jonathan Taylor. So teams are realizing when you go and give them these short term deals, why wide receiver market is $40 million a year. You got Jamar Chase that scored 25 TDs, not knocking Jamar at all. Great players, seven averaging around 1700 yards. But when you looking at the top running backs, all purpose yards, they're getting around 15, 1600 rushing and then not 6, 700 yards receiving also. So they get around 2,300 yards all purpose with 44, with 40 touchdown, 36 touchdowns, that you can get them for 25 million instead of $40 million. So when you're looking at the value that you're being able to get, these backs that can actually clock ground the pound, you know what I'm saying? Maintain the clock and then not take them off the field on third down where you could pass it to them and screens and they can be able to get first downs for you. So just dollar sense, dollar wise, when you have a court These receivers are making $33 million where you know, for a thousand yards, Zay Flowers, great receiver, but $35 million a year. One, when you got Bijan Robinson at 22 and you got to say Flowers at 35, I like that Bijan Robinson, that's just, that's the no brainer as far as money wise goes. So just with the. When you get a great running back, when you get these young running backs that are playing to a great level, a high term, so you can get them to these three year contracts to where a 50 million guarantee. Let's see how much longer you can do this ball out for these next two years. Because this is what you've done. If you can keep doing it, we can be able to get another contract. But it's these three years, nice bread. $25 million. When there's just showing the market of receivers are making 40 back like okay ones are making 35, we gotta, you know what I'm saying? It makes sense.
Deebo Samuel
I'm thinking it's a, it's a combination of, of, of two things, to be honest with you. I don't think necessarily the running back market as a whole is coming back like, like that. Because when you look at it, I think your average running back, you know, is. What is it they say, 2 to 4 million, something like that. But that's also a lot of guys that on, on those rookie deals, that's your first year deal, and then guys that make it to that second year deal because hell, right now they considering anything what, 28, damn near old. Now you gotta average between they say five and ten million dollars. And right now what you're seeing is you're seeing guys hitting that 22 to 25, 22 and a half range. And that's like you said, that's your top running backs and it's guys that can do all three or all four downs or that your offense runs through them. You need them to be able to have success. Your success starts with them. So, and like you said, when you look at it, you got Gibbs, you got Bijan, you got Jonathan Taylor, you got saquon, you got McCaffrey, you got Henry, all that, those are guys that either can do it all or the offense runs through them and the success of that offense is built into them being able to run the ball and they can do that. So I think that's a, that's a combination of it as far as those, those top running backs being able to, to get that money. And again, once you look at it like as, as a. As an average across the top guys, they getting paid because they can do it all. And the offense runs through them or the offense runs through them or both. And that's what I think. I think that's what we're looking at. I don't think it's necessarily coming back. I think it's the same thing. You know, when you look into the wide receiver market. Yeah, you get a guy that's. That's one of those dogs. Yeah, you're gonna have to be up there. That's just where it's gonna be. I think every position is sort of like that except for, you know, when you look at quarterback position, it just, that's just, that's that. That is what it is. Like if you in that top 15, like 10 maybe. I mean you're looking at 45, 50 million. Especially now when you got guys close to 60. What is it, 60 something, 61, something like that.
Joe Haden
The thing is, Debo, it's like, it's just a discrepancy of. It's kind of similar in every position where it's like you either like, look, Rico, doddle, how much better is how much better. You got him making seven and a half. You have Jaylen Warren making around $4 million a year. And then you have the 20s and then you have to be like Gibbs with the Henry's to make and then the Jonathan Taylors. It's either 22 million, you're trying to get into that or with Devin Montgomery, you know what I'm saying? Seven and a half. Where you're looking at Rico Doddle, where it's like you either gonna be young and hit the market to where now, okay, you're gonna get top of the market or where is my value? Am I like. It's a big jump then four and a half, seven and a half. Under 10 million because there's no real like, okay, no, now around 13 for a running back. Do you know what I'm saying? You either Christian, it's gonna range there, either the best of the best, if he said in the market, or they're like this, we can go get another guy in the draft for sure. That hopefully we hit on him for, you know what I'm saying, a million dollars a year and he can turn into you to where? Oh, this dude. We've been paying a million dollars and he's go younger, you know what I'm saying? He's getting that we owe him back pay. He's 20 worth 22 now. So we can Give him a big contract, a little three year joint to see if he can still perform for these next two years and we can keep it or do something like that.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, I'm, I'm with you. I think the, the running back market as a whole is, I mean, it is what it is, but right now they're just like, yo, if all you're doing is running the ball and you're running it, you know, average, effective, then you're going to get what that market dictates. If you're a guy that can do it all and you're doing it at a high level and the offense runs through you, it has to run through you. And the other running backs can't make it run through that offense the way you do. You go be up there in that 22 range and that's not. I think that's just what it done came down to, I guess. Larry Fitzgerald explains why he won't officially retire. He said never left the Cardinals ahead of the NFL hall of Fame game. Larry Fitzgerald said that he doesn't feel the need to officially retire. He said, I remember them talking about retirement killing more people in our country than anything. And so that always stuck with me. And so this gotta be a joke. I just don't believe in retirement. I think you're transitioning into different phases, especially as an athlete. You transition into different phases, especially as an athlete. Fitzgerald won't use the word retirement. There's no retirement in sight. And so, I don't know, I protest the word more than the action that, more than the actual thing. So I just want to acknowledge that. So he's just saying the word. He don't like the word.
Joe Haden
Yeah, only you just don't like the word. What you think, Debo?
Deebo Samuel
Listen, bro, I do. I do not care about the word itself. Words only have as much power as you allow them to have. Like, that's just, that's just really what it, what it comes down to. I don't care about the retirement from the NFL. You retired from the NFL, Fitz. I'm sorry, brother. You're retired from the NFL as a player. That's just what it is. That don't mean you're going to die. Like you got a bunch of businesses, you got all this other stuff going on. You got all this other stuff going on. And I believe for you to even get your benefits, I believe you have to actually retire before you can do that. I don't know, I could be wrong. Like you gotta file retirement paperwork or something. I don't know, I don't know. But you may not have to actually go and just be like, I retired. The fact that you're out of it so long you're in the hall and I don't know, I don't know how that works, but the word itself in the field of a professional athlete playing in the NFL, you're retired, bro. You can not say the word or say the word. I mean, like I said, you give it as much power as you want, but for me, I'm retired from the NFL. I never retired from life. Yeah, if you retire from life and you say I'm retired, I'm not going to do nothing but sit at home. Yeah, you're going to sit there, you're going to wither up and you're going to die. And that's just what happens. You're not in motion, you're not using your body, you're not using your brain, you're not doing anything that's going to help you generate and, and, and, and help motivate and move the body and the mind. So I don't know. He must be associating the word of retirement to I'm not doing anything. But you can use the word and still going through a process that is not actually retirement. Like I'm retired, I've been retired. It's 20, 30 year olds that's retiring, selling businesses, doing all that. But they going and they doing another business, they get another business, they sell this, they do that, they do that, they retire from that, they retire from the this. Like don't worry about the word, Fitz. Just go ahead, say you retired from the NFL, live your life, do what you do and keep it moving, baby. The word it only give, it only has as much power as you allow it to have. What do you think, Joe?
Joe Haden
That man. So first and foremost I'mma let, I'm going to give Larry Fitzgerald, both of us, Larry Fitzgerald, his flowers on deservingly getting to the hall of Fame first ballot. The way that he did it coming out of the pit, doing it the right way to more tackles than drop passes in his career. The nice hands Larry was always a phrase that we were saying, nice hands Larry, because that man was not dropping any passes, he was modeling consistency. So shout out to Larry first and foremost for his career and going to the hole. When you talk about the retiring, I think it's more for sure like it's just a closed chapter of you're not going to be able to play anymore. So for me and you, the word is like I have to use it because I'm like, I ain't going to be able to go back and playing that game no more. It's passed me on. So I'm going to start doing other ventures. So I am gracefully bowing out retirement because I can't play no more. Like, even if I wanted to, it's just a moving on. So if you don't want to use the exact words, I hear you, Larry, but we ain't playing in the league no more. We ain't going to be able to actually physically be on the squad. There's no more practice jerseys that we gonna be able to put on and lace up the shoes no more. So, like, that's why you don't want caller retire. I can see what you're saying, but like, I went with few Debo. Like, I just clothed retirement as closing the chapter for me, where I'm like, damn, I had so much respect for the game. And Larry, you talk about closing the chapter. You closed it in a Hall of Fame gold jacket the best way possible. Like you talking about wrapping a bow tie on a book. You did it the best way possible. So, like, when you don't have to call a retirement, I'm just looking at it like I know Larry's done. He's not playing no more. And that man went to a Hall of Fame where exactly he deserves to be because he did it the right way. He played gracefully. He did it like he led by example, everything. So that's exactly why nobody's contemplating if you're a first ballot hall of Famer, if you don't say that you don't want to call it retirement. It is what it is. You're not retirement, but you're walking around with that gold jacket. So I'm saying Larry's not playing no more. He's retired. That's what I think retirement is. Whatever you think retirement is, Larry, you can have it like that because you deserve it. You got a gold jacket on and you did it the way that you wanted to. So for me, though, retirement was. I just know that I. Even if I want to get back into this game that I love so much, I cannot because it's moved on past me and it is what it is. So I'm going to for what I did now I can go back finally and look at my stuff and be like, you know what, Joe? You actually did. You know, I can actually finally close the book and look at the games and look at the highlights and be like, yeah, boy, y' all hold on that Tom Brady pick. Actually now I wasn't really able to be like this in the moment. After the game, people are like, oh Joe, man, you won the game for us. And like you go into dinner and people in Pittsburgh are so happy. Like, man, Joe, I can't. Like, come on. I'm like, you know man, like I'm just doing my job.
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Joe Haden
There was a couple play I missed a tackle in the joint. Like, we're still gonna watch where I could have did better. Like, I was just thinking like, that game was good, but that wasn't the best game. I played like I had. That play was dope. You know what I'm saying? But now after you finally close that chapter of retirement for me, I'm like this, ah, I was nice. So looking at your highlights, being able to literally look at your stuff and be like, okay, now I can move on and be like, boom. Because the dudes now when Ja' Marr Chase, when I was out there when I was playing for the Steelers and I was in two man, and I was in trail and he hit me and I knew he was running the 7 route and I couldn't get there. I knew it was coming. I was like. And I was like, oh my God. And he ran, he caught that joint and almost turned up field and I just had to push him out of bounds. I was like, oh my God. Okay. Jamar Chase is nice. I'm into, man. The safety's over top and he squeezed that. That's my play. I couldn't get there. Come on, man, these dudes are leaving me a little bit. So just with me, like being able to retire, close the book. That's kind of how it was. But Larry, shout out to you, coach.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, bro, I ain't going to even lie to you. Like, I think in my mind that as you said that the retirement, I think I didn't shut the door probably until like two years ago, to be honest with you, bro. Like. Like, in my head, where I was like, yo, I could still do it. If I really wanted to, I could still do it. Honestly, probably until last year, to be honest with you. Because I've been looking over the last year and I'll. You know, I'll catch some of my kids and be like, this or that. And I look and I'm like, damn. I'm like, I was a dog. I'm like, I did that. You know? I'm like, oh, wee. And now I'm looking and I'm like, thinking about, like, trying to do that. I'm like, oh, yeah. I'm about to tear everything up if I even try and do that right now. That ain't even gonna happen. I don't even know. I don't even. I don't even know if I could get off that block, let alone two of them. Like, that's not happening. And like I said, just looking at. I'm like, damn. I guess I was pretty good.
Joe Haden
Like, bro Debo.
Deebo Samuel
You know what I'm saying?
Erin Andrews
Yes.
Joe Haden
You was actually doing all that stuff. And it was like. Because some were just playing out there. You're moving, you're hitting. Just doing that is just what you were born to do. You don't know nothing different. They're like, how you do that? I don't know. That's just no clue. This is what I do. Like, it's just like, yo, why are you so. You got ab by yourself with no safety? I'm like this because I believe that I can really press him. And if I get my hands on him, like, we're fat. The same speed. I know what's going on. Like, I believe in myself. I think I'm good. Coach, we gonna roll this. I'm like, joe, you're tripping. I'm like, no, but right now, looking at. After I retire and with my hip, like, you saying, I'm like this. No, I was bugging. If I was a person talking to myself like this. No, that's. You can't do that. But corners in the league, Sir Tan Lil Peezy, you can't tell Lil Peezy. You can't be. He'll be over there by himself with Ja' Marr Chase. Give me that. He wants that. And he believes that he could do it. And, like, with the tape and his athleticism and studying stuff, dudes are out there can really do make it happen. So it's like, I know I'm not amongst them anymore. I was. You know what I'm saying?
Deebo Samuel
But now, was, yeah, I was
Joe Haden
scared.
Deebo Samuel
Ct, I ain't steal nothing. Tell him I took it, huh? Ain't still no super bowl from Larry. Your boy CT over here in the chat talking about I stole a Super bowl from Larry. I ain't steal it.
Joe Haden
I took it. You took it.
Deebo Samuel
I made it mine.
Joe Haden
Who did that?
Deebo Samuel
You understand that? I don't steal.
Joe Haden
You did that.
Deebo Samuel
I take it, make it mine. You understand?
Joe Haden
That's what you do, Debo.
Deebo Samuel
Stop playing with me. Joe. I was looking at this thing my son sent me. He's like, yo, look at this right here. It said vintage James here. He was a dog. I'm looking at it, I'm like, ooh, damn, that's two blocks. And still made the tackle for a loss. Like, come on, they waiting on Joe. What they waiting on? I'm like, oh, my God, look here, man. Bleacher Report ranked the top 10 quarterbacks in the NFL for 20, 26. Now we're gonna start from 10 down. They said Pro bowl caliber grades, 89 to 95. You have 10. Brock Purdy, 9. Jordan Love, 8. Dak, 7. Lamar Jackson, 6. Drake May. Now, you got all pro ability grades. They consider that 93 to 90. Joe Burrow at a 90. Patrick Mahomes, 91. Herbert, 91. Allen, 92. Matthew Stafford, 93. Joe.
Joe Haden
Yes.
Deebo Samuel
Would you move any of this?
Joe Haden
Would you.
Deebo Samuel
Would you move anybody around?
Joe Haden
I like number one for number one.
Deebo Samuel
Okay?
Joe Haden
I think Matthew Stafford, I don't care how old he is. If he's shown with his consistency, he's throwing the no looks, he's throwing it on time, he's throwing the ball where it needs to be and MVP caliber. So his numbers, I don't care what his age is. His ball, he throws the perfect spirals. He's on point. I like Matthew Stafford. Josh Allen at 2. Cool. Justin Herbert at 3. I think Justin Herbert, why he has great. They are looking at the skill set. He has the skill set, he has the arm. But behind, he keeps getting hit. They don't give him no time. They're looking at if he had time and his weapons were out there just as far as a quarterback. He has all the attributes to be a great quarterback.
Deebo Samuel
You saying that they like Herbert better than they would Burrow? Giving them both all the assets they need.
Joe Haden
Say that one more time.
Deebo Samuel
I said, would you like Justin Herbert better than you would like Joe Burrow, given all the assets that they need?
Joe Haden
No, I think Joe Burrow is a better quarterback than Justin Herbert. I'm going Joe Burrow over Herbert for sure.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, I would have to. I would have to move that now. This Patrick Mahomes thing, I'm still like. I'm still moving Herbert a little bit more like.
Joe Haden
It's just. It's really. It's. What have you done for me lately? And at the end of the day, Patrick Mahomes, he's been playing. He's a great quarterback still, too. But the numbers. He haven't been to the top of the top. He has been, like, throwing all of that, like, backyard ball really hasn't been working as much as it has before. And with the receivers that he hasn't had really too much. Top receivers. Rice was out. My man Travis getting a little older. You know what I'm saying? So he. They gotta. They gotta figure something out. So I'm with Pat, but they need to start working back more on timing, getting that running game right so he doesn't have to be Superman all the time. Because sometimes when he's out there scrambling, doing that little bit too much, it hasn't been working out the way that it was before.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, I think I would go. I'm cool with. I guess I'm cool with 1 and 2. I would go burrow 3. I stay with homes where he at and I move.
Joe Haden
I ain't gonna lie to you. I'm a big fan. I like Dak, too. Dak.
Deebo Samuel
I was gonna tell you. Dak is too high.
Joe Haden
Dak is nice.
Deebo Samuel
That should be way lower.
Joe Haden
Dak is fire. Dak's numbers is Dak. If they get a defense out there like the Cowboys offense, he'd be putting up numbers.
Deebo Samuel
I would actually give. I get. I give. I would give Dak to five and I'll put Herbert at the six. So I move everybody down. I flip. I flip. Burrow. I put. Put him to the three. Leave Mahomes at the foe. Get Dak to five and bump Herbert to the six.
Joe Haden
Okay. You got hurt over Lamar Jackson?
Deebo Samuel
Ooh, yes. Yep, I do.
Joe Haden
Okay.
Deebo Samuel
I don't know if Lamar go and give me what makes him great, which is his legs, which. That extra aspect he hasn't. He's getting.
Joe Haden
I lied to you. Not though, brother. We be looking at Lamar Jackson, but when you say his number one receiver is Zay Flowers and that's the third best receiver on the Cincinnati Bengals and he's might be. You know what I'm saying? I mean. Yeah. So like with Lamar Jackson, he's never really had a number one receiver. So they have the run game and all that, but they got Zay Flowers. And they have his. They had the tight end, Andrews. So, like, I would with this. I think if Lamar Jax had a number one receiver, he would have better. Definitely better passing stats.
Deebo Samuel
You saying Zay ain't the number one?
Joe Haden
Not like that, no.
Deebo Samuel
We just got paid like it.
Joe Haden
That's the receiver market. The receiver market's hot. And that's. That's. And was it 35 a year? Something like that? Olave. But then. Cause it's Jamar Chase. Cause when you have jamar chase at 40, you know what I'm saying, then it's like, okay, since he's like, I didn't get as much. I'm a number one, but I'm like the lower number one. But I'm still 30, 33, 35 a year.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah. Yeah. I'm dropping. Well, it don't matter. I'm still. I still. I got. I'm gonna put. I'm gonna drop. You know what? It ain't that I. I dislike the Cowboys.
Joe Haden
I think what it is is I
Deebo Samuel
dislike fans of certain teams because they ain't got no. They ain't got no home training. That's what it is.
Joe Haden
Why you say that, Deebo? Which. Which ones you talking about? Like. Like, like, like, like.
Deebo Samuel
I'm against Dak because he a Cowboy, but I'm only against Dak because he a Cowboy. Because of the fans.
Joe Haden
I feel you. That's why I never really been. I never been a Dak. Honestly. Fan. For real. But when you look at it, it's like this. He's not a bad quarterback at all. Numbers at all. Ridiculous. Every year, the offense. Cowboys offense is always balling. So that's why, like, the Cowboys fans, they think that it's going to be because they're scoring a lot of points. It looks good.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah. I don't know. Like, that's what it is. I didn't realize that Philly. Same thing ain't that. I don't. I'm just like. I just. I dislike your fans. Your fans ain't got. They want to throw. They want to throw eggs and batteries at buses and.
Joe Haden
Yeah, they go hard on. They go hard out there.
Deebo Samuel
They ain't got. They ain't got no home training.
Joe Haden
Yep. Philly go hard. They tripping people.
Deebo Samuel
They dropping people in parking lots, man. People walking through with a different jersey on.
Joe Haden
Huh?
Deebo Samuel
I just. I'm talking about Philly, Browns fans. I just, you know, that's just, you know, they loyal.
Joe Haden
Die hard.
Deebo Samuel
I don't have a problem with Browns fans. It's Just that that's, you know, that was. That was my rival for so long. You know what I'm saying? Like, so it's kind of. You know what I'm saying? That's just what it is. And at least they're not 100% delusional. Dallas Cowboys fans are 130,000% delusional. Because every year we. Them boys.
Joe Haden
But the crazy part is, though, once the roster, normally they have. They have good. They have pretty good teams. So I'm like, the rosters look like they should be able to win. They got CDs now. They got George Pickens, they got Dak. So now it's like, you ask me, our defense got to stand up.
Deebo Samuel
Okay.
Ice Cube
Yes.
Joe Haden
Yeah, you right.
Deebo Samuel
And then like, yeah, bro, it's just the fans, bro.
Joe Haden
I'm trying to always.
Deebo Samuel
Maybe the owner, too.
Joe Haden
If you score 30 points, you feel like you got a chance because you're scoring touchdowns.
Deebo Samuel
30, you gotta win, bruh. We have. Bruh, you're doing 30 when you score every game.
Joe Haden
That's why I'm looking at us with the Browns. We just. When we start scoring these points. That's what I'm saying.
Deebo Samuel
Hey, you know what? You know what else, too? Yeah, go look at that. Go look at that. Go look at that 2000.
Joe Haden
That 2000.
Deebo Samuel
What is it, 2007 to 2008 Pittsburgh still a decent 2008. Hey, bruh. Dogs. We were some dogs, bro. Look at them numbers. Put them numbers against all the teams that they say is ahead of us. Put the yards, put the. Whatever you want to do, do. We putting hands on them. Look at the numbers. Y' all pull up that 2008 Pittsburgh Steeler defense against whoever y' all think is the number one, the 01 Raven, the. The. The. The. Whoever. Tampa, the.
Erin Andrews
The.
Deebo Samuel
The Bears, all that. Look it up. I'm trying to tell you, y' all doing that oh, Stiller defense injustice like I've been looking at. When you have a defense like, oh, we was.
Joe Haden
The point is, you need to have the point of the defensive not trying to give up no buckets. But the thing is, when you have both sides of the ball trying to do the same offense is trying to get buckets all the time, trying to score, trying, trying to get points. They. When they don't get the three and out they're looking the way you guys are looking, coming off the field, confused. Why, what happened? Why didn't we get in the end zone like it's a problem? Do you know what I'm saying? On our defense, when we don't get off the field on the three and out or they get down, they get a couple conversions, what happened? There's communication. There's a problem. Like, you need to be able. Like, when we don't score a touchdown on. Oh, why? What happened? When the defense is not getting off, there shouldn't be a reason. Like, stops on D, score on.
Deebo Samuel
Oh, dude, I was so defensive, like, out. Like, I wanted our defense to be out there and us to be down by three or. Or us to have to, you know, make a stop on. Like, dude, I wanted our defense to be in the situation to win the game. Like, offense don't score. That's cool. Like, yo, we get to go out here and win it. Sack, fumble, touchdown, interception, touchdown, whatever it may be. Like, that's what we was starving. We was hungry for. Like, yo, let's get out here and let's get an opportunity. Like, oh, come on. It's two minutes left. We down. We down. And, you know, we got all our timeouts left, but we gotta go ahead and punt the ball over to him. All we need to do is three and outer. Sack, fumble. Like, yeah, that's what we looking for, bro.
Joe Haden
We was looking for that, bruh. Thirsty.
Deebo Samuel
I was starving. I was parched.
Joe Haden
See, now that's what great defenses do. You knew y' all was gonna go make the plays when you got. When you go out there and you got 10 other dudes that you looking at that know exactly what they about to do. Which one of us about to make the play. You fighting, not fighting over who about to make the play. Everybody just in a right position, and whoever it comes to, they're going to make their play, bruh.
Deebo Samuel
Sitting there like, all right, who it go be? It gonna be Troy. It go be me. It go be Wood. Who it go be? It gonna be Ferris. It gonna be rc. Is it gonna be who? Who is? Like, who's gonna be. It'll be Keys. It's gonna be Aaron, who is gonna be somebody. Go do something. Like, we gonna go and do something. Like, we get out.
Erin Andrews
We get.
Deebo Samuel
We get to go out here and have the opportunity to go ahead and. And stand up and bring it home. Was loving that opportunity, bro. Check the 2000 Ravens. Go ahead, check them out. Check them out. Check their numbers against ours. Go ahead, run it, Run it, Run it. Go ahead, run the numbers. Please do.
Joe Haden
2000 Ravens versus.
Deebo Samuel
Look at it.
Joe Haden
2008.
Deebo Samuel
2001, whatever. 2008. Look at it. Please run it now. Don't forget it's more passing than 08. And we still gonna have board numbers. We still gonna have better numbers. Let's go check it out. Tell your boy. Check it out. Joe. Let's get into these super chats, bruh. We got one from Tuesday. Helsink. Hell, Heco Sante. $5. He said the Steelers have JPJ and ASJ. He's talking about Joy Porter and Asante Samuel. Dual Debo dual. See? Dual dual cornerbacks. Dude on. On D defense is what he's saying. On D. Debo with James Jr. And Joey Jr. Who is James? Who is James Jr. Who is Joe Jr? You got a jojo?
Joe Haden
I don't know what he's talking about, brother.
Deebo Samuel
Steelers would have high pedigree, bud. Lines on defense. They were. Oh, I think he's trying to say your son would be Joe Junior. My son would be James junior. Even though I'm the junior. My son is the third. I'm the junior. My dad. Okay, Senior. Your son Joe.
Podcast Announcer
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Deebo Samuel
Junior.
Joe Haden
He's saying Joey the. Joey the fourth.
Deebo Samuel
The fourth. Your son fourth.
Joe Haden
My son the fourth. I'm the third.
Deebo Samuel
You the third. Yeah, yeah. Joseph Walter talking about your daddy and me playing on the Steelers defense. He just ain't know. Just me and your daddy getting out there. He ain't know that. He meant to say the third and the fourth. We got you. We got you, though. We got you.
Joe Haden
Yes.
Deebo Samuel
The pedigree that. You got to realize something. Like my pedigree, my bloodline and my pedigree was a little different than Joe's bloodline, his pedigree. See, I came. I came from. I came from the bottom. My pedigree wasn't nothing. I had nothing before that. You know what? Nobody playing no ball before that. You know what I'm saying? I had. I. I had nothing, but. But hopefully a prayer, all that. Like, I just went through it, and I just grind my way through it, and I got. You know, I got into a situation that was lucky, you know, Joe, that boy just had it. He said he had it from when he was 2. He said, I woke up. He said, I came up out of there and I knew I was him. So, you know.
Joe Haden
No, no, no, no, no. We was grinding. We was grinding, Deebo. We was grinding.
Deebo Samuel
I understand you was grinding, but you told me, like, soon as you touched the field, you knew you was him. I ain't no shit.
Joe Haden
My mom and dad was working at Geico.
Deebo Samuel
I ain't know I was him. I ain't know I was him until 2007.
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I had already been playing for five years. Joe.
Joe Haden
Chill out, Debo. Chill out.
Deebo Samuel
I'm just being real, Joe. I'm just being real, man. I'm telling you. Telling what? God love. That's the truth, baby. We got Covenant life. She back. $20. She said. Everybody crowning the Rams. But if Miles Garrett was the missing piece, why didn't Cleveland reach a Super Bowl? Because they didn't. They had too many missing pieces. Way too many missing pieces. And if Trent McDuffie is that valuable, why was KC willing to move on? They ain't want to pay the price. Stars don't guarantee rings. This is a true statement, but we got explanations for all that. What do you think the reason is that Miles Garrett didn't bring y' all super bowl and Trent Duffy was giving away that Casey, Let him go. Joe. Joe, are you there?
Joe Haden
You said what?
Deebo Samuel
Joe, man, you need to do something with your Internet, brother. I said everybody's crowning the Rams. But if Miles Garrett was the missing piece, why didn't he. Why didn't Cleveland reach a Super Bowl? And if Trent McDuffie is that valuable, why was Kansas City willing to move on? Stars don't guarantee rings. That's Covenant Life. $20.
Joe Haden
This is what I'm trying to tell Covenant Life don't come after me crazily. The reason why it takes a team to win a championship, these dudes, Trent McDuffie was. He was on the Chiefs. The additional piece, the Rams, they don't have Puka Nakua, they don't have Matthew Stafford, they don't have Devonta Adams, they don't have coach Sean McVay. So when this team, they needed some secondary. So if you go get secondary players that are actually like really good come to a team, Myles Garrett really good comes as an addition that helps the run defense. I'm not saying it's a guarantee, but it's not going to hurt their team. You know what I'm saying? Their team did get better. And when they did lose, they lost to the Seahawks. Seahawks lost their running back. When you just looking at the next seasons of who subtracted players from where they were the year before coaching staff, you know what I'm saying? Familiarity and then you actually just bring in some additional just great players. Great players. It doesn't take you too long to kind of adapt to a squad. Like if you can get in there, Myles Garrett's going to make sacks kind of wherever he lines up. Trent McDuffie is a great corner man to man is man to man on his own. So just adding those additional pieces is why I say that their team just got better from what it was with and I believe in Matthew Stafford and the head coach always have to be there. And Matthew Stafford coming off of MVP season, Sean McVay, you know what I'm saying? And then you still got those players that were already there. And then you add these star players additionally to that team. So it's not like just why didn't the Browns win? Because we ain't had Matthew Stafford. We ain't had Puka.
Deebo Samuel
We had way too many missing pieces.
Joe Haden
We had Kevin Stefanski last year and we didn't. And you know what I'm saying? Our team just wasn't moving like that. So when you add, take them and put them. Myles Garrett. 23 sacks to a bomb squad. You know what I'm saying? Trent McDuffie's picks to that squad. You're not subtracting nothing from what the Rams already were doing.
Deebo Samuel
I got you, Joe. I got you. Hear that? Covenant lock. Covenant lock. She back again. $5. She said the Rams keep collecting names. She said we'll keep collecting Lombardi's. Win the all season if you want. February is what matters. Let's go Steelers. Hey, Joe.
Joe Haden
Ooh. Hey, look. Coveted. Coveted. I'm with you. I'm on your side here. I hope that we come and Mike McCarthy and we give them belt. I hope we meet them in the super bowl and give them belt. So TJ A rod, Mike. Let's get to. Let's get through this season. I'm rooting for the Steelers. Coveted. I'm with you. I want us to sneak for a slide up under the radar. We're going to make the playoffs and when we get in there, we got to beat who we got to beat to meet the Rams in the championship. So that's the end game goal. I think on that side that they going to be there. So we'll meet them. I'm not saying we can't beat them. We gonna get there. So we gotta make it to the. We gotta make it to the dance. They gotta make it to the dance, too. But everybody's already crowning them. I think they're nice. They have a really good chance to get there. We gonna sneak in from the radar.
Podcast Announcer
Boom.
Joe Haden
We got squad. Everybody needs to ball out.
Deebo Samuel
Who is we? Who is we, Joe? Who is we? Who is we?
Joe Haden
What's up?
Deebo Samuel
Who is we? I keep.
Joe Haden
When I'm talking to Coveted, Debo, we are the Steelers.
Deebo Samuel
Okay?
Ice Cube
Okay.
Deebo Samuel
We ain't sneaking in on shit. We stomping.
Joe Haden
We the Steelers.
Deebo Samuel
When I'm talking to coveted, we ain't sneaking in. They gonna realize we the Steelers.
Joe Haden
When I'm talking to you and me and you. When I'm talking about. When I'm talking about the Browns, sometimes you with me. So we could be a lot. We could be a lot. You know what I'm saying? When you're dealing with me, Debo, you know. You know that by now.
Deebo Samuel
You French.
Joe Haden
I'm real French when it comes to me. We, we, we.
Deebo Samuel
We.
Erin Andrews
We.
Joe Haden
We, we, we.
Podcast Announcer
We.
Deebo Samuel
Echo Sandy back with $20. She said Debo and Joe. I mean, he said Debo and Joe. I was being sarcastic about the juniors being ready to play on my last comment. Just like to know if you're actively. If they're actively playing football. Sante Samuel Jr. Is balling the camp. True statement. JPP and Asante Salmon JR. Dual may form the no fly zone in Pittsburgh. You think they go form the north fly zone in Pittsburgh? I like. What's the. What's the boy they just got? What's the other boy they just got? I mean, it's. We got to get my guy paid first. That's the first thing we got to do. Okay, man back. Start feeling better. I believe if we get him paid. But
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Deebo Samuel
I said jp he basically. Did you. Did you read it? He said basically he said he was being sarcastic about the juniors being ready to play. On his last comment, Heckle Santi. He said he just like to know if they're actively playing football. Your son actually playing football.
Joe Haden
I can't. I can't come back.
Deebo Samuel
I said, is your son actively playing football? Your son Joe. Yes, his son plays flag football. My sons play actual contact football. So, yes, they are actively playing football. Now he asked you if you think Joy Porter Jr. And Asante Samuel Jr. The duo may form a no fly zone in Pittsburgh. You think they'll be the. The. They'll be like, yeah, It's a no fly zone. Ain't nothing going down over here. You think they can form that duel?
Joe Haden
Yes. They gonna be strapping. Strapping, obviously. And we got Sean. We got Dean, too.
Deebo Samuel
That's what I was telling him. That's the one I was talking about. Dean. That's the one I was talking about.
Joe Haden
Come on, man.
Deebo Samuel
But coveted life. She back $5. She said, Debo, be kind to me. What would be funny? And so entertainment. And so entertainment. If y' all had Butter on the show.
Joe Haden
That would be hilarious.
Deebo Samuel
Say, be nice. She said, man, listen, man, I don't even know if I want Butter on the show. Cause Butter might say something, and I don't, you know, say something crazy. Butter, go say something crazy, man. And I want. You know what? I would love to have Butter on the show, but I want him sitting next beside me.
Joe Haden
He gonna have to sit next to you, though. You don't have to be in person.
Deebo Samuel
He gonna have to sit next beside me if we go put Butter on his show.
Joe Haden
That's my good man, Butter.
Deebo Samuel
Yeah, Butter.
Joe Haden
He loyal. He loyal to the Ravens.
Deebo Samuel
Hey, bruh, he funny. I ain't gonna lie to you, bro. You funny. I'm always gassing on this, on this thing, talking something goofy and crazy. CT $5 said, Shout out to Debo and Joe. Love the show. For show, for show, for show, for show. Joe.
Joe Haden
Appreciate you, CT. Mike.
Deebo Samuel
Mike. 105$. He said if AD comes back to the Rams. No, I ain't. You coming? You listen. He said if A.D. come back. I'm sorry. He said, A.D. he said, if A.D. comes back to the Rams, Debo you coming back to the Steelers, and Joe, you coming back to the Browns. This will be the great content on Battle of the Returns. Joe, you going. No, the hell I ain't. I ain't. Joe.
Joe Haden
You know, if you've been listening about my hip restraint, there's no way I could go back and try to cover. Unless y' all trying to be laughing at me, right? I'm still moving. I'm still good. But, like, nah, cover.
Deebo Samuel
Not in that area. Not on the NFL field, on the island. No, sir. Listen, if y' all want me to hold the corner, just hold the edge back and forth. That mug. I give you that. I give you that at 60.
Joe Haden
For sure.
Deebo Samuel
I give you that at 60. Anything else? Movement? I can't. I can't do nothing for you. I can't do nothing for you.
Joe Haden
I really don't. I really. I'm really not. I really lost the interest into running into another grown man. Fools Joe.
Deebo Samuel
It's called I ain't. I done lost competitive nature to want to do it. Yeah.
Joe Haden
Cause it was so normal, though. It was football. That's what we do.
Deebo Samuel
Like, I'm trying to put you to sleep. Every time I hit you, I'm trying to put you to sleep.
Joe Haden
Night night just was what it was. I'm now I really can. I can really sit back and say I have no interest in running into another man full speed with pads or without pads, Joe.
Deebo Samuel
Tell me about it. Joe. I ain't gonna even lie, bro. I looked at the game. When I started watching the game, rotate a cuff, 86 he AC joint, bruh. I said, ooh, wee. I don't even know if I would have got up from that. If I delivered the hit or took it. It wouldn't have mattered.
Joe Haden
You know how fast you would bounce up when you hit the ground? Like, just like you would not. You're not supposed to ever be on the ground. So we would bounce up off the ground like it was a trampoline. I'm staying down. I'm getting up. I had to put my hands down. Like, put my arm on my leg real quick. Like, hold up, hold up, hold up.
Deebo Samuel
That's when you know when you hit that ground and you take a good two seconds to get up, they be like, oh, yeah, he get.
Joe Haden
Nah, you not just fall. And I was falling gracefully. I'm falling into the roll to get up. Like, oh, I wasn't even really down. For real.
Deebo Samuel
Hey, you hitting down on the ground like, shit. Everything in place. I'm.
Joe Haden
Oh, fuck.
Deebo Samuel
I can get up. All right. Damn, that hurt. Hey.
Joe Haden
Nope, nope, nope. I'm cool. That's why I'm getting back in the gym now. I'm gonna send y' all that video. Deebo, you texting me, y' all on me. I'm gonna get y' all that video today.
Deebo Samuel
What you thought it was gonna be, Joe?
Joe Haden
I knew y' all wasn't playing. I knew it wasn't playing.
Deebo Samuel
What, nobody playing? Wasn't nobody playing but you.
Joe Haden
I wasn't playing. I wasn't playing. I worked out the first day. I worked out, but I didn't get the footage. I didn't get the footage, but now I know. Every time I go get this work, I'm sending it to you.
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Deebo Samuel
You think they playing about the gym, Joe? Only person.
Joe Haden
No, they wasn't you. And this right here, this is infinity bracelet. They told me that I'm getting taxed. I'm get taxed for this. I'mma have to cut it off. I got to cut it off.
Deebo Samuel
It's not a way to pay tax for that.
Joe Haden
That's jewelry.
Deebo Samuel
You can't be in there with jewelry on. What are you talking about, Joe? You gonna run downstairs and do one set talking about you was working out? You ain't even do nothing after you got off the phone with us on.
Joe Haden
Yes, I did. Yes, I did. That's when I really did.
Deebo Samuel
What you do Wednesday, Joe? What you do Wednesday?
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Deebo Samuel
Huh? What you do Wednesday?
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Joe Haden
I just did the squats. That was yesterday. No, that wasn't yesterday. That was Thursday.
Deebo Samuel
It's Wednesday.
Joe Haden
I did. Stop learning.
Deebo Samuel
Don't lie to me. What?
Joe Haden
I didn't. I did all the full body. I did full body. I did full body.
Deebo Samuel
Swear, man. I swear, bruh. Bruh. Hey, I need you to do this. Go to your weight room and put in a camera. Motion activated. So anytime you step in there, you ain't even got to worry about trying to record it. You could do a ring camera plug in or wireless one that just got a battery. And when you go in there, it works out.
Joe Haden
I got one right here and just put it on.
Deebo Samuel
All you got to do is plug it in. Actually, you could put one that's plugged in because I know you got. You got. You got all kinds of stuff. Yeah, no, no. Yep, right there. Plug it in and it will record any and every movement that you make in there. Okay? And it goes straight to your iPhone. You make sure you got the stuff set.
Joe Haden
So that I gotta get. Yeah, I gotta sync it. Gotta sync it.
Deebo Samuel
You can send it.
Joe Haden
That's. That's the only reason. Why? Because I want to have it on my phone. Because that's the way when I knock,
Deebo Samuel
it will be on your phone here. I got it on my phone right now. I can send anything from my phone right now, Joe. It's easy.
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Deebo Samuel
It's easy, Joe. You know what I'm saying? Matter of fact, you got the chat. Send it to the chat. We're right there, Joe. Huh? The chat. The chat. The.
Joe Haden
The. The. The.
Deebo Samuel
The tread we got in the. On text message with you, Mihawk and Ongi. I mean with you, me, hottie and unk. Yeah, yeah, send it right there. Hey, bro, Did I say, bruh? I think I said what I said. It sounded like I said what I said. Anyway, I don't know what I said, but I know what I said. I know what it sounded like. Heckle Sandy, $2, man. He said the Steelers going to the super bowl and beating the Rams. Like it, love it, like it can't stop thinking of it.
Joe Haden
We gonna see for show for show.
Deebo Samuel
Look here now again, y' all know where we go be Monday and Tuesday, 10th and 11th. So y' all make sure y' all like, subscribe, download. Okay. Where you get your show? Like this episode right now as we talk. Yes, yes. Okay.
Joe Haden
Yes. Right now.
Deebo Samuel
How many likes we got? We ain't got enough. We got 220 watching. We ain't got 220 likes.
Joe Haden
Come on.
Deebo Samuel
Got to, got to do better. Y' all got to do better.
Joe Haden
Got to.
Deebo Samuel
We go be up there doing what we do. 10 to 11, 10th and 11th, Monday and Tuesday, we gonna be starting somewhere around 1 going until, I don't know, we'll see. So we do what we do and we gonna have plenty of folks for y' all to listen to. We gonna have plenty of folks for y' all to. Well, y' all ain't gonna get to talk to them. We get to talk to them. But you can have questions for and so on and so forth. Now, Joe.
Joe Haden
Yep. We gonna see y' all training camp. Make sure y' all log in with the questions. We gonna highlight the players and see what's poppin'. See y' all on Monday. Let's get it.
Deebo Samuel
And we out.
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Hosts: Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson (Shay Shay Media & Playmaker)
Guests: Deebo Samuel, Joe Haden
Date: August 7, 2026
In this lively and unfiltered installment of Nightcap, legends Deebo Samuel and Joe Haden dive deep into the seismic shifts in the NFL running back market, reacting to Jahmyr Gibbs’ historic new deal and what it means for the league. The duo then scrutinize Bleacher Report’s top 10 QB rankings, agree and argue over some controversial placements, and reminisce about personal transitions–from retiring as pro athletes to watching the new generation compete. Candid takes on NFL fan culture, team legacies, and legendary defenses tie the episode together, with plenty of locker-room humor and insider perspective throughout.
(02:58 – 06:14)
Deebo:
Joe Haden:
Insight: The RB market is healing only for unique, dual-threat talents forming the core of their offenses.
(06:14 – 10:01)
Notable Quote
Deebo Samuel (08:14):
“I don’t think necessarily the running back market as a whole is coming back like, like that. ... It’s guys that can do all three or all four downs or that your offense runs through them.”
(10:01 – 16:38)
Notable Quote
Joe Haden (13:48):
“For me…retirement was… finally close the book and look at the games and look at the highlights and be like, yeah, boy, y’all hold on that Tom Brady pick…”
(23:30 – 29:15)
Notable Quotes & Timestamps:
Joe Haden (25:54):
“No, I think Joe Burrow is a better quarterback than Justin Herbert. I’m going Joe Burrow over Herbert for sure.”
Deebo Samuel (27:09):
“I was gonna tell you. Dak [Prescott] is too high… That should be way lower.”
Joe Haden (29:44):
“That’s the receiver market. The receiver market’s hot. … Jamar Chase at 40 [million], since he’s like, I didn’t get as much. I’m a number one, but I’m like the lower number one. But I’m still 30, 33, 35 a year.”
(29:26 – 35:28)
Notable Quote:
Deebo Samuel (34:23):
“I was starving. I was parched. That’s what great defenses do. … When you got 10 other dudes that you looking at that know exactly what they about to do. … Everybody just in a right position, and whoever it comes to, they’re going to make their play, bruh.”
(35:28 – 53:10)
Notable Quotes:
Deebo Samuel (51:05):
“Listen, if y’all want me to hold the corner, just hold the edge back and forth, …I give you that at 60. Anything else? Movement? I can't do nothing for you.”
Joe Haden (51:27):
“I really lost the interest into running into another grown man full speed with pads or without pads, Joe.”
(53:10 – 56:07)
This episode is a must for fans interested in the business of football, the changing shape of player value, and inside-perspective debates. Deebo and Joe, both former pros, bring a mix of humor, objectivity, and league insight you won’t find in mainstream coverage. Their breakdowns of contract strategy, rankings, team culture, and life after football deliver value far beyond the day’s headlines.