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Teague
Yeah.
King ISO
One time. One time. Hey, get up for my boy Josh Smith, huh?
Teague
Yes, sir.
Josh Smith
Hey, what it do, baby?
King ISO
Oh, man, you know me. You know slow motion better than no motion. You know what I'm talking about? Hey, hey, I got Uncle Ocho.
Josh Smith
They.
King ISO
They on vacation, bro. So, you know, I told him, you know, give me the keys. Give me the keys to that thing, man. You know, I take it out for a spin, make sure it's straight. You know what I'm talking about?
Teague
Yes.
King ISO
Hey, hey. They say we're gonna do the ISO takeo. I said, damn, we're gonna do the ISO Takeover. I gotta hit my boy smooth, see what he got going. I need up to the plate, baby. What's happening?
Josh Smith
A little bit of nothing, man. You know what I'm saying?
King ISO
Yeah, a little slow motion.
Josh Smith
It ain't a test driving when you driving.
King ISO
Hello, hello. There we go.
Josh Smith
You saw the car, you saw the wheels. Big dog. Mr. Max himself. Yes, sir.
Tab Ramos
Yeah.
King ISO
Hey, hey.
Josh Smith
Hey, you.
King ISO
Hey.
Josh Smith
Yeah, I mean, you got it cranked up, you know what I mean?
King ISO
Hey, hey, hey. We had a nice run, didn't we? We had a nice run. We had a nice run. Smooth.
Josh Smith
Absolutely. Yes, sir.
King ISO
Huh? Hey. Hey. How the fam doing, bro? How wife and the kids doing? I see little Josh doing his thing. I see you coaching over there on the sideline. I see you went viral. Cause you didn't got at somebody, Somebody don't call me no more.
Josh Smith
Oh, man, I know. I didn't know it went that viral,
Teague
bro.
King ISO
What's going on?
Josh Smith
It's fun, man. The AAU space is fun. You know, I've been doing it for about five, six years now, so. Yeah, my son is getting. He'll be a senior this year, but he's. He's been, you know, been going through all the stages. Not skip. Skipping steps. Yeah, you know, he was one of those kids that didn't jump off the porch. It was like, okay, he gonna be super nice. He really put the work in and. And he's the player he is today. So I'm just excited about his growth and where. Where his future is is headed. You know what I mean? So.
King ISO
Hey, hey. That's what's up, bro. I enjoy watching him. I. I seen he's shooting that three ball. He gonna boof that thing. No. He gonna boof that thing, huh?
Josh Smith
A little bit. A little bit.
King ISO
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, hey, hey. The. The sky, huh?
Josh Smith
So he overly shooting it, though. He's shooting it, though.
King ISO
Oh, yeah, yeah. The sky's the limit for him, bro. You keep him in them, keep his head on right. Keep him working hard. I always tell mine, bro, you gotta outwork the competition. You know what I mean? Hey, keep him going at it. But I've been seeing you over there, doing what you think you think you. You want to get into some coaching. You what's up?
Josh Smith
I mean, I don't know. I mean, I like it. I like it over there, you know what I'm saying? It's definitely made me a patient, more patient person.
King ISO
Yeah.
Josh Smith
You know, I mean, I understand it, and they gave me a lot of respect for a lot of my former coaches just because of the detail of. Of what they had to do and just the work they got to put in in order to. To get there, you know what I'm saying? So, I mean, I do see myself one day being on the staff for somebody.
King ISO
Hey, it's a little different, though, you know, when you coaching them young boys. Cause what. You know now.
Smooth
Smooth.
King ISO
What you at 41 now?
Josh Smith
40? Yeah, I'm 40.
Teague
40.
King ISO
So with you being 40, bro, coaching these young dudes who, 15, 16, you know what I mean? Like, your mentality of the game is so far ahead of those guys, it didn't take them a lifetime to catch up. So what you try to do is embed everything that you know into them, and hopefully one day it clicks, you know? So I kind of. I kind of know and understand that, bro. I went through the little coaching thing myself, coaching my son. So it's fun, bro, because at the end of the day, all you want to do is support. You want to be that support system for him and help them navigate, you know, this process. Because we've been there before. We know what it's like. We know the blueprint.
Josh Smith
Yeah. And it's kind of hard at this age to hand them off to somebody that. That, you know, don't know as much as you do about the game. You know what I'm saying?
King ISO
Hello? Hello.
Josh Smith
Then you having conversations with coaches that might not ask, because, like, if I was. If I was a high school coach or AAU coach, and I seen you coming to a gym, and I was coaching your son. I just. I asked you for advice, you know what I'm saying? Hey, man, what plays y' all used to run? What. What kind of schemes? Defensively, y'. All. What, y'. All. What did y' all look for offensively or some stuff like that? You know, you got. You got a Lot of ego driven people that are in those spaces. So, you know, they don't, they, they feel like it's, it's lame, you know, like second coming of them, you know, asking the question like that, you know what I'm saying?
King ISO
Oh yeah, it's tough. You know, I done been in that space move. Your infrastructure gotta be right. You gotta have people who you can really trust. Especially when you talk about starting a program, it's a lot harder than what people, you know, anticipate or think. You know, just because we former athletes, people think that we could just magically turn this, press this button and make it happen. But it's a process you got to go through, bro. You got to take your lumps and bruises just like everybody else did, you know what I mean?
Josh Smith
Facts, facts. And you know, you got to be okay with kids leaving, you know what I'm saying? Coming. Because you know, at the end of the day, you know, when you, when you pouring into these kids, you want to kind of give them information that they need going on, on to the journey, but everybody's not gonna, everybody not gonna get it, you know what I mean? But that's okay just as long as the ones that you touch along the journey gets it and they, they appreciate, you know, like just a, you au program you had, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. ISO Joe out there in the magnitude of what you were showing those, those kids in Arkansas, you know, some people, some kids appreciate it and some, you know, some kids didn't understand it, you know what I mean?
King ISO
Yeah, yeah. Like you, you have some kids that are a little less fortunate. If we keeping it real smooth, they gonna take advantage, bro. They gonna work hard, you know what I mean? Versus some of the kids who may have everything at their disposal. They don't look at it like that, bro. That fire ain't burning. They belly enough for em to, you know, be able to go off and get one of these top scholarships going to college and things of that sort. I mean, you look at the landscape of college nowadays, smooth. Hell, it's a professional sport now. It ain't, it ain't just like I
Josh Smith
call it semi pro. I call college no pro. It's semi pro, man.
King ISO
Hey, hey. And with it being semi pro, they ain't really trying to babysit you, bro. You know what I mean? You making kids, making millions now just to go to college. I mean, hell, if that was the case when you was around, you probably would have went to school for a year too, huh?
Josh Smith
Facts. Yeah. If I. If they said I was gonna be the 17 pick, I would have went and dug in some of that money.
King ISO
Hey, hold on, hold on, hold on. Where you would have went to school
Josh Smith
at Indiana, where they got that good nil up there? You would have.
King ISO
Hold on, hold on, hold on. Being a Georgia boy, man, you how. Look, look, here's my thing. When you got the talent that. That Georgia has, bro. Cause y', all. Y' all spitting them out, whether it's basketball, football, baseball, it don't matter, man. You gotta do what you can to keep that talent in state, bro.
Smooth
You can't.
King ISO
They can't let you get out of town.
Josh Smith
Yeah, man, but you know, I didn't. Didn't want to go to Georgia Tech. I grew up a Georgia fan. And then when I committed to Georgia, like my sophomore year, I was. No, I didn't commit to Georgia. I wanted to commit to Georgia. But by my sophomore year, Jim Herrick was the coach. Yeah, that's when he had the pipeline jumping like one. Nobody leaving Georgia. You know what I'm saying?
King ISO
Under his wife, they were nil before nil.
Josh Smith
Oh, yeah, yeah. Bag money, you know that.
King ISO
Hello, Hello.
Josh Smith
Then the boy cold, you know, snitched on them. You know, they were taking basketball one on one class, talking about, what is the three pointer worth? You know?
King ISO
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, hey, hey. We got a Paul one time, man. We got. We got this little talking ass dude that got on Little Jeff T. What's up, baby?
Teague
Hey, what up, man?
King ISO
Hey, we appreciate you. I appreciate you for joining me for the ISO takeover. I got Smooth joining me every night for the next four nights. Well, tonight, Thursday and Saturday and Sunday. So we're gonna be on here clowning, acting a fool. And I only felt it was right. I said, man, I gotta hit T, see if he'll come on and kick this thing off with me and Smooth, you know, maybe talk about some of the times that we had back in the day, man, you know, some stuff we're gonna take to our grade. That's just what it is. You know what I mean? Sometimes we're gonna take that grave. Listen, man.
Teague
Hey.
King ISO
Hey, I've been checking you out and what y' all doing over there at 5:20, bro? You know what I didn't expect, Teague, I ain't gonna lie to you, bro. I ain't expect. Look, you quieter than me. Hell, I didn't expect for you to be on no podcast, bro.
Teague
Nah, I talk more than you, bro.
King ISO
That's crazy. That. That's a lie.
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To.
Smooth
To.
King ISO
To. To be on the podcast. I never would have thought that, bro. But the one thing I tell you, you're doing a hell of a job.
Teague
And appreciate it.
King ISO
I appreciate you, man. Just for, you know, keep keeping your boy relevant. And. And somehow, some way, I done snuck into this space on Nightcap with Uncle Ocho, and it's been. It's been fun, bro. I never imagined that I had this much fun doing it. And so when I got the whiff about this takeover, this ISO takeover, I had to hit smooth, have him come join me, you know what I mean? Because it's been a lot. It's been a lot more exciting than what I anticipated. I ain't gonna lie, bro. I've been having fun. We just came from Fanatics Fest in New York. Yeah, the ball out there. So I've been keeping up with y', all, man. Y', all. You, you, you, you and the boys over there. Hey, y' all a little uncensored at times, but it's good. It's good for tv, bro.
Teague
We were all not cut, bruh. Nah.
King ISO
Yeah. Yeah. Hey, hey. Hey, T. I see you in the coaching, too. Just your high school alma mater. You coaching?
Teague
Yeah, I coach my old high school, man. We. We one of the top teams around here. Smooth. Know, most of the guys that play on my team, they play aau. He didn't play against them a little bit, but, yeah, we a pretty good team, though.
King ISO
Is it. Is these all guys out of Indiana or. Y' all been recruiting, you know, you know, in college. College, different. It's a pro sport now. High school, hell, it's gonna be the same way. Hey, did y' all see they finna start selling these teams in. In college, like pro teams.
Teague
I seen you on lv. They put their bid out there.
Josh Smith
Why? You already done did it.
Teague
Damn.
King ISO
Who?
Josh Smith
The Utah Jazz owner.
King ISO
Oh, did he?
Josh Smith
He kind of over that situation, I
King ISO
think, man, they changing the whole landscape of the game, bro. T, what you got? What you got going, bro? What's next for you? What you and 520 got going? Or are you trying to coach in the league? Are you trying to be a scout? You want to do any of that, or you. You cool with what you doing?
Teague
I already did the scout thing, so when I first retired, I scouted for the Hawks for two years, which was cool, but we started doing a podcast, and I started coaching high school. And high school was so fun. We was sad as. Man, we was sad as hell. My first year, we won six games. Yeah, but last year, we was really good. I think we lost three or four games, but I had a pretty good team, and we looking really good this year. But I did the scouting thing. I couldn't get with that. I ain't gonna lie.
King ISO
It's a lot of traveling, ain't it, bro?
Teague
What, and you don't stay in the hotels we was used to? Nah, bruh. I was using my whole scouting budget paying for new rooms, bro. I was like, nah, I'm working for free.
King ISO
Yeah, I. I heard. I heard that was a challenge in itself. I never really wanted to get into it. I love being around the guys, you know, helping out when I can. I'm not necessarily, you know, rooting, coaching out, but I. I just love helping in some form of capacity. You know what I'm saying?
Teague
Nah, facts, Facts.
King ISO
Hey, hey.
Teague
It'll be good at it, though.
King ISO
It's hard, T. I ain't gonna lie to you. You think? I'm saying think about the pros is a lot tougher. Cause guys making so much money now. Hell, y' all thought we were making some money back in the day. The money these guys making now is. It's ridiculous, bro.
Teague
But they respect y' all game, though. Like, it's different when they respect y' all game. Like, everybody want to play like you. They want to play like Smooth. And they know if y' all was a little younger, if y' all was 20 years younger, y' all be premier players in this league. Like, everybody know that. So they don't respect y'. All.
King ISO
Hey, Smooth. Smooth. You get 150 easy. You get that easy, man.
Teague
You. You was 22. You was 20 years too early, bro.
Josh Smith
I'm trying to tell. They copied and paste me. Face your boy, man.
King ISO
Hey, hey. In the meantime, we got the big news. They hit. You know, Braun went to Philly Teague. I didn't really. I didn't get to see y' all. If y' all was on this morning. I want to know what you and Smooth think. Smooth. Smooth. I'm gonna start with you first.
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King ISO
I want you to let me know what you think about Bron going to Philly and then t you out of that.
Teague
All right?
Josh Smith
I mean, it's a big move for Philadelphia, especially for the fan base. But I thought he was gonna, you know, legacy wise, I thought he was gonna do something like Miami, you know what I'm saying? Probably Miami just think, like, not go to a whole new team. You know what I'm saying? Because I was thinking, I mean, like, when we talk about, like, the greats, like when we are, we have arguments about, like, Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan. Those guys stayed on one team. So it's like, you know what I mean? So when you say, like, you throw LeBron in that conversation and then you get to thinking about how many teams he played for, so, you know, that's all I think about, like, back in the day, we always talk about when we talk about legacy and. And guys being, like, great. You know what I'm saying? We just talk about guys, you know, even, like, Reggie Miller, like, just talk about those. Like, how. How if you were super one of those guys, you stay with kind of like either one or one organization or maybe. Maybe one to two, if anything.
Teague
Right?
King ISO
Right. Young T, what you got for me?
Teague
Yeah, I know. I'm different. I like that. Bron went to Philly. I thought he was gonna go back to the Cavs so Bronnie can go back to Cleveland, too. He get the Bronnie jersey. Bronnie 6 in the Cav jersey would have went crazy. I thought he was gonna do the legacy play. You know what I mean? Go back to Cleveland. Then I thought he'd probably become part of the ownership, but it didn't go that way. He went to Philly. I think they.
King ISO
I don't think they don't. You don't know if it's enough ball.
Teague
It ain't enough basketballs, bro. That's what I was saying. I was like, jaylen Brown came from shooting 22 shots a game. Tyrese Maxey shot 22 shots a game. Then you got Embiid, who didn't play a lot, but when he played, he was the focal point. And then you bring in Bron. I'm like, I don't know if it's just enough. I don't know how they gonna use Jaylen Brown. I don't know how they gonna use Tyrese Maxey. It's just too many, man.
King ISO
I told Uncle Ocho, I said, listen, soon as JB Got traded, I'm Braun. I'm on the phone with MB Cause my first thing is, like, big fella, you gonna be healthy. Can you give me at least 50, 55 games?
Teague
Yeah.
King ISO
You know what I mean? Because at the end of the day, if Embiid ain't healthy, they don't look like no championship team. You know what I mean?
Josh Smith
But the question.
King ISO
Oh, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
Smooth
Smooth.
Josh Smith
I'm saying, like, with all that firepower, does it give him ammunition to be able to kind of chill into, like, the back end of the season to be able to have a playoff push? Because he actually. He knocked what? He knocked Boston out by himself. For real?
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King ISO
Yeah, I know. You know, you can't. You can't stop Embiid, bro.
Josh Smith
Real talk.
King ISO
So, yeah, when healthy Braun play his role, he gonna facilitate. He gonna make you know, Maxi, Edge come brown, them guys gonna score. I don't think Braun gonna come in there. He ain't trying to come in. The average, no. 25, he'll probably settle for about 18 to 20 a night with about eight or nine assists. But I think it's more of the control that he'll be able to have with this young running and gunning team. It's like putting him back there as a quarterback, bro, like you Maxi. He gonna be out there like a baby. AI, you can do like, kind of how New York done with, with. With Cat and Brunson. They took the ball out of Brunson hand, played through Cat, he just. Brunson just kind of came off picks, came off screens and was a score. I can see Maxi in that. I can see Edgecombe trying to be a lockdown defender.
Teague
How mad. How mad would you be if you edge come though? You just came off of average and damn near 17. Now they telling you, you3 and d. C. I don't.
King ISO
Hey, listen, listen, listen. But hold up, though. But hold up, hold up, hold up. Smooth and te. I ain't necessarily. If I'm. If I'm ishcom, I. I ain't necessarily mad, you know what I mean? At the worst case, we gonna have him for two years. Now, this is a learning. This a learning tool list that I can go. He can take me on this wing. I can learn from all these great players that I'm surrounded by. Cause, hell, I still got another 13, 14, 15 years to play in the league. It ain't like he ain't gonna get his money when it's time for him. He gonna get his money. I just think they have a window and Everybody talking about LeBron reen chasing. I think he's found an opportunity to where he can continue his legacy. You think back, I thought he was gonna go back to Miami, fellas, I ain't gonna lie. But then once I started thinking about it, hell, Bron trying to make history, bro. He wanna be the one player to win a championship for four different franchises. Nobody has done that. Hell, probably nobody will ever do it. You know what I mean? Considering the fact that every night, bro, every point he scored goes down in the books, in history books. Cause he's the leading scorer. So he finna put this thing so far to reach it probably won't even be in our lifetime, fellas, for somebody to catch him. I'm just gonna keep it real.
Teague
Nah, it's over with. I don't think nobody ever catch him. They had to make like somebody had to hit 600 threes in a season or something crazy. Like, yeah, they got to be doing something like we ain't never seen that we ever thought would happen. But I'm just. If I'm vj cause I played on y' all team and when I came and I wouldn't get no shots, no touches. Cause I was hot. So I, if I'm him, I average 16 as a rookie. I'm looking to be like a 22 point scorer as a second year player. Like, I'm looking to like move up. And now Brian and JB come. That mean my shots go to dang near half. I'm going to eight shots a game. I'm hot, bro. And you got Anthony Simons on the bench and you got, you bring KCP in for another 3 and D guy. So if I'm not playing well, I know them two dudes is they seasoned veterans, they ready to lock in. They trying to win a chip. I'm hot if I'm him. I ain't gonna lie.
King ISO
Oh yeah, you gonna.
Josh Smith
But what. How hard do you think LeBron gonna play during a regular season with that salary base?
King ISO
Oh, smooth. I think he gonna, I think he gonna compete because like I said, man, his legacy is, is still, it's still gonna be great regardless of the situation. But I think he wants to add to it, you know what I mean? Everybody talking about, oh, he chasing Braun, this, that and third. I don't think it's that. I think he has another way he's going to put his stamp on the game. I mean, he already a first ballot legend, arguably the best player to ever play. Check this out. It's one. It's one assistant coach has, has some doubts about how LeBron and Joel Embiid will fit together on the Sixers. He said it's scary. It can be unstoppable or it can be hard to watch. The unnamed coach told Mark Medina. I think that's his name. He said they're both slow and old. And when you get tired of. When you get tired and drain the clock and you're methodical and isolating, you know, every time down court and everybody's just standing around and watching, you say you're going to end up falling down behind because everybody, because they're so old, I don't agree with that. Because they have some youth on that Sixers team. They can obviously, even if Bruh and B miss a couple games, them boys can carry him, man.
Teague
Oh, they got JB. JB one of them, JB, top 10 in the league. Tyrese Maxey arguably could be top 10 in the league. So they got two. They got two guys over there that's capable to take over to be the guy, so I ain't worried about them scoring. But to win a championship, you got to have Bron and be playing at a high level.
King ISO
You do, you do, you do. And you look at you, you. You look at jb, he's gonna be looking to put his stamp on the game. He gonna be looking to prove guys wrong because of how the Celtics got rid of him. So I think when you got guys who come into the season determined and. And determined to make a case and show people up like this veteran team that they have. Yeah, I think the sky's the limit, bro. You can't rule out fit Philly, bro. They gonna be there.
Teague
How y' all feel about Miami? I know the show. I know you running the show, Joe. My fault.
King ISO
No, no, no, go ahead, go ahead.
Teague
My fault.
King ISO
What do you think about Miami?
Josh Smith
Oh, man, I think they need. I think they need more shooting for sure. I'm trying to figure out how that Bam and Giannis works. And, you know, I wanna. You know, when you've been in a situation like how Yana's been, where you. You've been a man, you had 100% of control of everything. Pretty much like how you want to move and stuff, and, you know, Miami is a little different.
Teague
Yeah.
Josh Smith
So it's going to be. It's going to be interesting to see how. How all that. How all that works down there.
King ISO
Yeah, I think. I think Miami gonna be pretty good. Obviously, they not done. I think they're gonna add a few more pieces. They definitely need some shooting.
Josh Smith
Everything guard.
King ISO
They got the little Davion Mitchell kid.
Teague
Yeah, they gonna be able to guard.
King ISO
Oh, yeah, they're gonna be able to
Josh Smith
defensive team, but they gonna be. People gonna be running two, three, zone on them.
King ISO
Hey, hey, they ain't gonna be running zone, but that. That. They gonna be trapping boxing elbows on. On Giannis. It's gonna be different, bro. That's. I ain't gonna lie to y', all, though. But that's why I thought Braun was gonna end up going so. And play that point guard role, but hell with no shooting Giannis and Bam. I know Bam can shoot it, he can score, but it's just hard when you don't really know who's going to take care of the ball handling duties in Miami. If you bring LeBron in with Giannis like That's. That's. That's a lot. Plus, you ain't got the shooting that you need.
Teague
You know what they gonna do? They gonna go back to how they was playing when Braun and D. Wade first got there. Remember, they was hedging ball screens? Yeah, they gonna start hedging ball screens. They was doing all that crazy stuff. They gonna be doing that again with Bam and Giannis at the 4 and the 5.
Josh Smith
John's gonna be motivated to do that, though.
Teague
Yeah, he.
King ISO
Oh, yeah.
Teague
New scene. Yeah.
King ISO
Look, man, y' all know Pat run a tight ship over there. If you don't know, I'm here to tell you, he run a tight ship waiting body fat every Friday. So don't you think you gonna be out there eating them Zuzus and win wins and come in and compete. He ain't having that. The one thing you ain't got to worry about is Giannis. Cause, hell, he stay in elite shape. You just gotta hope he stay healthy throughout the season. And that's what I always tell Cats, bro. You know, during the regular season. Y' all know this. You can coast through the regular season, but, boy, when you get in the postseason and the game and they game planning for you and you got to exert all this energy every possession, it's a huge difference, bro. It is not the same. It is not the same.
Teague
That's a fact.
King ISO
Yeah. Hey, y' all been paying attention to the Hawks. What's up? What y' all got for me? Y' all like what? The moves Hawks made.
Josh Smith
Like. Like Jeff said, they're gonna be able to play some defense. Damn.
King ISO
You don't think we're gonna be in this? Yeah. Where is it at?
Josh Smith
Where is it at? I like. I like the Johnson kid. I like. I like what he got going on. You know, I think, you know, his next step is to. To re. You know, to show what he can do in the postseason because, you know, regular season, he. He's really good.
King ISO
Oh, yeah.
Josh Smith
But, man, I'm trying to figure out where they gonna get the defense at, man. Did. They still got the Daniels kid, right?
Teague
Yeah, they got. We got more than enough defense. We got what Lou Dort, Dyson Daniels, Aaron Wiggins. We gonna play some defense. I don't know the scoring. I know CJ's a bucket.
King ISO
CJ a bucket. But I think. I think Jalen Johnson gonna take another leap. You think so.
Teague
I hope so.
Tab Ramos
Yeah.
King ISO
Yeah. I hope so. Because think about this. He. He averaged, what, 22, 23 during the season? It wasn't Great in the postseason, but that's a learning curve you got to go through, bro. Especially when, like, it was his first time really being a guy. Because Trey left.
Teague
Yep.
King ISO
You know what I mean? So having all that attention on you, the one thing I would say that was glaring to me from watching him play, like, he has to know and understand, he. That dude. You feel what I'm saying? Like, I just felt like in that Knick series, we had a lot of opportunities that kind of got away. But what you have to understand as a scorer and when they game plan for you, when you see a crease or a crack, you can get through, bro, you can't wait and be like, okay, I'm a wait next time. I don't want to force it. Hell, sometimes you got to force it, man. You know what I mean? Like, for him to put his stamp on the game, he way too athletic. He's very unselfish. He can pass his ass off. I think that's what got him in the make. Getting all them triple doubles right behind Yic throughout the regular season. I enjoy watching him play. I wish in a perfect world, boy, the Hawks would have got the fourth pick. Man, I knew Caleb. I knew Caleb Wilson was going to be that smooth. I'm g. Let you speak on Caleb in a minute, but I knew Caleb was going to be there at 4. I was like, man, you put him with them boys.
Josh Smith
Yeah.
King ISO
Hey, hey. That boy there, fool.
Teague
Smooth.
King ISO
What you got for me on Caleb, bro?
Josh Smith
Man, probably the. Probably the best pick in the draft. For real? For real. To be honest with you, I don't know how he went to four. For real, to be honest. You know, I think he would have been the top three pick as far as, like, franchise wise, who I wanted to, you know, a person that I could build my franchise around.
King ISO
Yeah.
Josh Smith
From that position. Cause he's capable of kind of doing kind of a little bit of everything. He kind of. He reminds me of kg, but with a little bit of handle. When he plays, he plays defense with a different type of intensity.
King ISO
Yeah. You like his game, T?
Teague
Nah, I like him. I like him a lot. He surprised me with his ability to shoot in the summer league. I know. He said he was shooting 2,000 shots a day. I don't know if he was shooting that many. But you was getting some shots at.
Josh Smith
Go ahead on.
Commercial Voice
Go ahead.
King ISO
Hold on.
Teague
Y' all think that was Captain, that 2000 joke?
King ISO
Hold up, but hold up, though. Hold up. Only reason why I say I make for shots. But hold up, though. The Only reason why I believe him is because he broke his hand. And so he missed a lot of the season. So that anxiety that he had in him to get out there and play and compete, you know, he knew he was going to be a lottery pick, a top four pick. So he wanted to come out in summer league, NBA summer league improve. Okay, cool. I ain't make but seven threes my college career in North Carolina. Hell, I'm gonna make seven in the first damn game I play. You know what I'm saying?
Teague
I just. Joe 2000, bro. You was a. You was the most tea time all star. You shoot 2,000.
King ISO
I ain't gonna lie. I didn't get up. No 2,000. I didn't get up. He said, hey, but listen. But listen. Did what? Y' all gotta understand. These kids a little different, bro. You know, they making good money in college, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know why. That's not that hard for me to believe, bro.
Teague
I. I hope he did. I'm cool. 2000 makes, bro, he a better man than me because I would not be in that gym.
Josh Smith
Money's already in the bank, man. Money's already in the bank in his eyes.
King ISO
The money already in the bank.
Josh Smith
Yeah. Yeah.
King ISO
Hey, man. Hey, y' all take me back, bro. Take me back. 2009, 2010, when we were running through the ATL streets, T. What?
Josh Smith
What? What?
Teague
Oh, man, that was the best time of my life, boy. I met y' all boys, man. Y' all changed my life, Boy, I was just a little green kid from Indiana, boy. I ain't know nothing. I get on a house, boy. I ain't know nothing. Hey, these boys got me buying a Challenger. All type of stuff, man.
King ISO
I tell, hey, hey. I tell the story. One night we got in, it had to be by 2, 3 in the morning. And me, you and Josh had a challenger. And we was on the freeway racing. I'm the only one got pulled over. And y' all ass kept going. I said, man, listen. I went on pulled over. Cause I don't want no problem. He let me go any damn way. So, you know, cool. But hey, hey, there was some good times, bro. Them some good times. I hate it, you know, it had to end the way it did. But I always say it's the house that Dominique built. Hell, me, Josh and T, we put a little stucco, you know, we. We put some new lighting, you know, some new side and that Trey came in and renovated that thing. You know what I'm talking about? I Think Jalen Johnson got a chance to redo the whole thing, bro. I'm just going to keep it 100, bro. I think this Hawks team is going to surprise a lot of people. Obviously, defensively, we can guard. We just got to be able to score and rebound. I just think the size. As much as I like the Fleming kid from Houston, I love him from point guard perspective, but we do need a little more beef down there, bro, to help them boys out, because that's really what hurt us against the Knicks.
Teague
I don't know. I seen that they had a trade in for like, people been talking about Jared Allen. If we can get Jared Allen.
Josh Smith
Oh, man, I'll take.
King ISO
Y' all think. Hold on, hold up. Y' all think Cleveland gonna get rid of.
Teague
Nah, I mean, they go. They gotta get on that second apron, though. They gonna have some money around.
Josh Smith
Yeah, the facts. Because they. They one of the top. The top ones, ain't they, Jeff?
Teague
Yeah, they got that one of the highest payrolls for sure. And Donovan, he ain't holding back on nobody. He just got that newest.
Josh Smith
He said, I put a ring. I just put a ring on it, too. I got it. I did that.
King ISO
Oh, yeah. Hey, the NBA has definitely. The landscape of the league has changed, bro. You know, you look at from how the game is played now, it ain't. It ain't no post players no more. You know, you probably got three post players. For real. For real. Embi, Jokic. Hell, who else?
Josh Smith
So I said, they copy paste me.
Teague
Yeah, it really ain't no post players.
King ISO
It's not, bro. It's not the game. The game has changed, man. And hey, the way they getting up and down the floor scoring these points, it's a guard heavy league.
Teague
Boy, I wish I was just 10 years younger, but I ain't had to pass the ball to you niggas. I mean, you guys, hey, you know, my show a little different.
King ISO
Hey, hey, hey. It's just, you know, you know, timing was a little different. You know, you got thrust into that, but you held your own, bro. But yeah, we. We needed that. We needed that peak tea. That tea when y' all was out here running the Eastern Conference. Running. You know what I mean?
Josh Smith
Yeah, that's the one. That's the only.
Teague
I was too young, bro. I was. I ain't gonna lie. Y' all was already a seasoned team, bro. Y', all. Y' all just came off that playoff matchup with Boston. Y' all was already kind of heading towards the right way. Y' all needed Bibby Y' all needed Kurt Heimer. I wasn't ready. But, boy, when we got D roll, I was like, I can't stay with this young boy. I can't say what it either, but I can. I can fake it.
King ISO
Yeah, you had. Hey, hey. You had to get on your horses, boy.
Teague
Man, what.
Smooth
It's.
King ISO
It's. It's a big difference. I think the point guard spot, bro. I watched my guy Darius Acuff play for the Sacramento. You know, you.
Josh Smith
You.
King ISO
You gonna have your lumps and bruises at that position, because that's the hardest position to come into the league and play. Because you gonna come in and you gonna have your two guard like Zach Levine, who's been in the league for quite some time now. You gotta try to figure out how you can get yours off and how you get these other guys involved as well. It's similar to the quarterback in football. You know what I mean? Like, you gotta know how to distribute. You gotta know. You gotta go through your reads. You gotta be able to pick stuff up a lot faster than a guy who's not a point guard or a quarterback. So that point guard position, hard, bro. Especially when you come in and you ain't played the whole first round, T. And then, damn, you run into. Now you gotta guard the mvp. Like, I get it, bro. I get it. I know that was challenging.
Teague
It was challenging. But the hardest part is like, realizing that y' all grown men. Like, I just came from everybody. 19, 18, on my college team, not coming in the team with y'.
Josh Smith
All.
Teague
Y' all 28, 30, married, got kids. I'm trying to leave. I'm trying to tell y' all what to do. Y' all like, hey, boy, swing it over here. I ain't worried about nothing they talking about. And you know every. I didn't know about contracts and all that stuff.
Josh Smith
You.
Teague
Hey, as a young boy, you don't know none of that stuff.
King ISO
But. But that's why I heard you say it before. That's why it's great to have ex vets on the coaching staff. You know, T, you had Nick Van Exel when I was a rookie, I had Lester Connor. And they would tell you straight. They would tell you straight up. Hey, look, bro, Lester Connor told me to, hey, man, you need to be in the bed by noon. I mean, by 12 o', clock, midnight. You know what I mean? You don't need to be out all night. You need to eat this way, you need to eat that way. You need to get to the gym. If we got practice at 12 noon. You need to be there at 10 o' clock getting your work in. By the time them dudes get there, the vets, hell, you done already worked out twice. You just ready for practice. So it's little stuff like that, like, even from him. Cause y' all know. Hell, y' all played on the Lester Counter with me here in Atlanta, man. Listen, the man will call me to his house at night, bro. His wife will cook and, like, you know, just teaching me certain things to eat. Oh, yeah, no, don't. Don't put too much. Not too much mayo, not too much ketchup. You know, it's just little things like that. That, as a professional athlete, bro, you appreciate. Because, man, you come in, you be so green, you don't know. You just so happy that you made it to the league, and you're like, I'm gonna put on. I'm gonna put on you, man. Listen, you got to fall in line, bro. You got to figure it out. That's the hardest part. That's the hardest part about being a pro.
Josh Smith
Yeah. Understanding.
Teague
Yeah, I know that was tough for you, though, Josh, coming out of high school. I couldn't imagine, boy.
King ISO
Now, hold on, hold on, hold on. Not just coming out of high school, but smooth. You got drafted to the Hawks. You from here, bro.
Teague
Yeah.
King ISO
Like. Like, tell her. Tell us, like, real talk. Tell us how that first year was.
Smooth
And then.
King ISO
Because I know. I think y' all only won 13 games during your rookie year.
Teague
13 games.
King ISO
What they were hitting on, bro. What? That was, like, real talk.
Josh Smith
It was. But that was. That was. But that was a hard time, boy, as a rookie. Cause I ain't.
King ISO
You know, you.
Josh Smith
You thinking, like, when you. Whatever situation you stepping into, you thinking like, this is this. This has to be the scenario for everybody. Yeah.
Smooth
You know what I'm saying?
Josh Smith
Like, so I'm thinking like every ownership, every. Every team is. Is getting treated like how we getting treated. So I'm like. I'm just a deer in headlights. I had Antoine Walker. We had Kenny. He was. He was probably the best. The coolest vet. But we had, like, Kenny Anderson.
King ISO
Yeah.
Josh Smith
Kevin Willis. So, like, they used to get into it all the time, bro. So then you had. You had Al Harrington, but he. He was, like, on his. He was like, on his deal, so he really wasn't trying to. He really wasn't. He really wasn't messing with me like that.
King ISO
Yeah, man.
Josh Smith
You in my way. I. I ain't got nothing to tell you. I'm like five, he, like, six. Years. Seven years in. He like, man, I'm still in the league, bro. I ain't got nothing to tell you.
King ISO
Yeah.
Josh Smith
And so I used to kind of, like, lean on Antoine because, like, Kevin, like, Kevin Willis just wanted to give me, like, the rookie experience, but he never wanted to do nothing. Like, I remember I had. I. I was coming in with a nasty number from number 42. I was coming in, I would get my little AAU number. That was nasty as hell, that I think about it. But they was like, we gonna sign Kevin Willis. Can you. Can you change jerseys? I'm like, all right. I just picked five. I was like, man, just give me five. All right. It was for, like, no reason. I just threw a number out there.
King ISO
Yeah.
Josh Smith
So that's how it worked. Then when he came in, they was like. People was telling me how. Oh, man, they gonna. You know, the veterans show love when you. When you get your jersey up, they gonna give you somebody. Is that the third? I'm like, all right, cool. All right.
King ISO
Bet.
Josh Smith
I'm rubbing. I'm rubbing my hands together. You know me. I see him. What up, young fella? He covered that. Joe just messing with me the whole time I'm in there. I'm like, all right, bro. This is. I guess I'm getting the Ricky Hazel from him. So I used to stay. Stay connected to Antoine whenever the chance. I got everything, though. You know what I'm saying?
King ISO
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Josh Smith
He was a real one, though.
King ISO
Oh, yeah. Now, listen. You know Twan and Kenny Anderson, smooth. You know, they were my best when I was a rookie in Boston.
Josh Smith
See, that's what I'm saying. See, these. These kids today don't have.
Teague
They.
Josh Smith
They threw. It's like training day with them type, you know what I'm saying?
King ISO
Oh, man. Hey, hey, hey. Hold up, T. Did you have to carry the. The backpack when you was looking?
Teague
Now, y' all know, y' all. Popcorn, my car. Y' all did all that stuff to me, man. Yeah.
Josh Smith
Cause he ain't want to carry the pot.
Teague
He didn't want to carry the backpack.
Josh Smith
He want to carry the backpack. He want to carry the backpack. I carry the backpack. You know what I'm saying?
King ISO
Hey, I know that feeling, boy. Cause I had two other rookies with me, Joe Forte and Kedrick Brown. Hell, we all had to carry backpacks. Not only backpacks. We had to get coffee in the morning. Donut. I'm talking about. These dudes wasn't even eating this stuff, drinking none of this stuff.
Josh Smith
Oh, I know.
Teague
Oh, trust me. I Know. Oh, I know.
King ISO
Oh, you had to make a few store runs.
Teague
I had to get Krispy Kreme. Every morning, I left them in my locker. I put them at the top. They was green. I remember smooth. Finally open one up. They was green because I just kept recycling them. I'm like, they don't even eat them.
King ISO
We had some. We had some hell of a time, bro. Hey, I think about those times, you know? It was always something going on. I always tell people, bro, I said, listen. Hell, they always talking about, man, why the Atlanta Hawks ain't never won no championship. Damn, man. Something going on every damn night. Soon we leave the arena. Listen, we go right up the street, hit Lucky Loud, and we probably go. Go to the comedy spot. Before we hit the spot, it might be a concert. It might be a concert. One night, somebody may have a big party. Man, it was something going on. It was something jumping in.
Josh Smith
It was on the Portland Trailblaz time, too. Them owners was trying to go low budget on the coaches, too.
King ISO
What'd you say?
Josh Smith
It was like, take the. Who got this one point. 1.5 high. Hey, them folks ain't give us a ch. We was blessing new coaches and stuff. Now, guys had their first coaches careers off the letter Hawks. Now, don't do that. We had no pop.
Teague
I remember one time we went out, man, I. I went to. I knew the schedule to go out. Cause y' all know I wasn't playing. So I knew where, who to go with on Wednesday, who was going up
Josh Smith
the game. Joe ain't answering that phone.
Teague
Answering the phone.
Josh Smith
He gonna tell you where he going. He not answering that.
Teague
Ph be like, just meet me there. He ain't gonna answer the phone.
Josh Smith
Oh, he gonna tell you. He gonna tell you. He gonna tell you. We gonna. We gonna do this and that right after the game. And then they don't answer that thing.
King ISO
Hey, hey, don't do that because we was in there.
Teague
Oh, you used to get there. I just wait by the door.
Tab Ramos
Yeah.
Josh Smith
Cause I know because he told me where to go.
King ISO
Now, if it was. If it was something going on, damn it, we was there. I'm talking about we was there.
Josh Smith
You hear me?
King ISO
I don't care what it was.
Teague
We went to the club at 10. We opened the club up and listened to no Hands for two hours straight.
T-Mobile Announcer
We.
King ISO
Hey, hold on. We had just left, like a concert or something.
Commercial Voice
Yeah.
King ISO
We was the first one in the spot. That Roscoe Dash. Come on. That no Hands boy. We were. Hey,
Teague
we was in there for two hours before somebody Got in there.
King ISO
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. 18. But before you got to the Abrah, we would lean with it, rock with it. We were doing all that.
Teague
I'm mad. I wasn't there. Bad hurt. I remember they tried to send me to the G League one day, and y' all was going to Miami. Y' all was like, boy, you gotta go to the G League. I was like, yeah. He was. I was like, dang, what? We going to Miami. I was like, I. I beg, Rick, son.
Josh Smith
I was.
Teague
I. Please don't. I begged you. I was like, please, man. I don't think I would get better down there
King ISO
after that. They said it's time out for the foolery. They. They went and hired that other man, and he came in, he started with me, got me up outta here, got Marv up outta here. Next thing I know is that things wasn't the same.
Teague
It wasn't the same at all, boy.
King ISO
It wasn't the same.
Josh Smith
I was ready to get on up out of here.
King ISO
Hey, Smooth. Hold on. So when you went to Detroit. Tell me something. Cause you went over there and you played the three, and you had been playing pretty much the four with us. I'm saying, they. That's what they was telling you before you came over there.
Josh Smith
Ah, man, when I signed the contract, they was like, boom, we gonna. You gonna play the three. I'm like, huh? I'm like, no, like, nah, bro, let me. You know. I mean, I've been playing the fold for nine years. Like, I done got accustomed to that position. Like, just bring one of us up. Like, if you just, like, sign me, just bring Greg or Drummond off the bench. One of them. You know what I'm saying? Cause both of them kind of similar games. They just, you know. Well, Drum is. I mean, Greg was more of a post up player, but, like, as far as, like, just down low, scoring, like, they were more like, down there in the paint. I was like, more perimeter based. And I could be more versatile, like, guarding people. So I'm like, just. They like, nah, we're gonna play all three of y' all together. I'm like, man, this. This somebody getting fired, bro. Somebody's not gonna work, bro. It's not gonna work. I saw I got the weight down and you know what I'm saying, I started figuring it out. The position probably like a month into the season, because, you know, it's a different position playing in the three from the four.
King ISO
Yeah, yeah.
Josh Smith
He was chasing guys around screens and running through pick and roll.
King ISO
Hey, hey. That's the scores position the 2, 3 in the league, man.
Josh Smith
Paul George cooked me, bro, the first.
Teague
First game season.
Josh Smith
But he told me he just got the 90 ball. He was like, yeah, that's why y' all gave me the 90.
Teague
He.
Josh Smith
I. It ain't nothing I could do, though. You know what I'm saying? I'm fighting through screens, contesting. Wow. So mad, bro. The next. The next time we played him, I wore his ass out, though. I was like, Bad Brad marked the calendar. I'm like, bro, wait till we play Indiana again.
King ISO
Oh, yeah.
Josh Smith
He just got paid, man.
Teague
He went slap off when y' all boys left, man. It wasn't the same.
King ISO
Hey, it was. But it was a little better for you, though. I see you, You.
Commercial Voice
You.
King ISO
You went ham out there.
Teague
Yeah, I got. I got the ball. It was a little different, but it was. We ain't go out like. I was. I was still trying. I was still trying to hold on to the memories, bro. I'm going out by myself. I've invited people. Ain't nobody showing up. It was just different, bro.
King ISO
I can't imagine, bro. I can, man. But listen, y' all brought some. Y' all brought some love to the city, bro. What? Y' all made it, Jeff. To the Eastern. Eastern Conference.
Commercial Voice
Yeah.
King ISO
Yeah. Y' all playing against that Cleveland team. Brian, Kyrie.
Teague
We went once. Yeah. We got slipped, though, so.
King ISO
Damn. Hey, will y' all be shooting that T? Will y' all be shooting the 528?
Teague
We got a studio in.
King ISO
Where?
Teague
In Indianapolis.
King ISO
Oh, yeah?
Teague
Yeah. Why are you gonna come to the studio, man?
King ISO
Yeah, man, I'll pull up on y', all, bro.
Teague
Come in town. We used to shoot at my crib. I don't shoot there no more, though.
King ISO
Smooth.
Teague
Came to the crib. Came to the crib.
King ISO
Hey, I come there, man. I do some yoga with y', all, man. Y' all come do some yoga with me.
Teague
Hey, yeah, matter of fact, last time. Yeah, I'm glad you said that. Hold on, Smooth. Last time we came to Atlanta, we came for Joe.
Angela Yee
Yeah.
Teague
Remember that?
Josh Smith
That's why y' all had to sub me in.
Teague
Yeah.
King ISO
We didn't talked about this and got over this already, fella. We didn't talk about it and got over.
Teague
We went up to the ISO yoga spot looking for it. Like, he might be here doing yoga, bro. We gonna pull up, bro.
King ISO
Hey, hey, listen, listen. Y' all got a good. Y' all got a good yoga studio. I like out there in Indiana, bro. I'm gonna have to pull up on y'. All for real. You know you're gonna come out there and bless the studio, man. See what y' all got going on.
Teague
Please do. Bro, I. I do yoga. I've never done it before. I tried.
King ISO
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Hey, check this out. We got more Anonymous.
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King ISO
Sources Ramona Ramona Sherburne cites one source who argued Joel Embiid remains the most important player and most important star on the roster. You know, it comes down To Joel. If Tyrese, VJ, Jalen Brown, LeBron. If those guys. That's not a championship. They're saying. They saying that that's not a championship team. But if those four guys enjoy L and B, that's a championship team. Meaning if Joel ain't in the conversation, if he. If he ain't able to get him 100%, if he ain't able to play, bro, it makes a huge difference. He's the difference maker in that Philly team. I know we going back to the Philly thing, but he's the difference maker to me. I don't know when the last time he's played 60 games, but, man, things gotta change, bro. You know, you got two cats coming in who bona fide, you know, superstars and JB and Braun. I ain't gonna lie. I'm excited for Philly, bro. I'm excited they gonna make some noise.
Teague
We had a thing on the show the other day. Who you think play more games? Embiid or AD AD In a contract year, who you got? AD AD Think so.
King ISO
AD has played more.
Josh Smith
Trying to go and smack one more time.
Teague
Who for sure,
King ISO
I. I think.
Smooth
But.
King ISO
But when you think about it, Washington may have to pay him, though. They may have to pay him because why not? I mean, you gonna. You're gonna just think about this. You got Trey. You got Trey over there. AD Obviously, you know, Washington probably gonna make AD Play a little bit before they just guap him down. Like, they probably gonna guap him down before the season start. You know what I mean? Like, he probably gonna have to play and show that he's durable, that he can be able to make it through an 82 game season, bro. Like, hey, it's going to be different.
Teague
Go ahead.
Josh Smith
I said, what they gonna do this year? What y' all think they're gonna do this year?
Teague
I think they're gonna be good, but I think they trade AD Because I think Alexar, man, he showed some promise last year.
King ISO
Damn. You don't think Alexar and AD can play together?
Teague
Oh, they definitely can play together. But, like, why I' ma pay AD a max deal when I got Alexar still on a rookie contract. And he gonna get paid eventually.
King ISO
But think about this. Who gonna pay AD a max deal? Is there any teams out here who gonna pay him 4 years, 5 years, 215 million? Is there any teams gonna do that, Bro?
Teague
I love if he went to Portland. I think Portland would. Even though they got a cheap owner or whatever they doing. But like, Portland with Dane and that crew they got over there, they just missing him. And they are really a real playoff team.
King ISO
They are. But I think, I think. Hold on. I think Washington, a real playoff team too, though. Jeff. Y' all don't think. Y' all don't think. Watch. I'm saying, when I say a real playoff team, a top.
Josh Smith
Hold on, Jeff. They got like. Well, Porter got like four point guards, though, don't they?
Teague
Yeah, I'm saying. So we start. We get rid of some of them
Josh Smith
and get AD who do you get rid of, though? You got Drew Holiday.
Teague
I think. I think Drew and Dane can play together.
Josh Smith
And who else?
King ISO
What's, what's, what's the school? Henderson. Right.
Josh Smith
And they just grabbed somebody.
Teague
They got John Moran, too.
Josh Smith
They got John Moran. Yep.
King ISO
Hold on, hold on. So who you saying they need to get rid of, T?
Teague
I don't know which four out of them. Four, who you want to get rid of? I know Dame not going nowhere.
King ISO
Well, let me, Let me break something to y'.
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King ISO
John Morant is like one of Nike's elite, you know, athletes, top sellers. Y' all know that, that, that Nike is in Portland. They ain't brought that man out there for him to come off no damn bench. I'm just hitting.
Teague
Oh, no. Oh, he's starting for sure. That's why I think Drew Holliday might be on the move. Yeah, Dame's starting for sure.
King ISO
Like, and, and, and when you look at it, when you look in the playoffs last year when, when Portland played against the spurs school, Henderson has some good game one and two. Yeah, he couldn't be stopped. I don't know if y' all really paid attention, but game one and two, school couldn't be stopped. He couldn't be stopped. So I. I can see them keeping and holding on to him and continue to develop him because I think he gonna be a hell of a player. He. He's always in great shape. I just think he need. I think he need confidence and he need reps. Young guys, bro, you gotta let them play. You gotta let them play through them damn mistakes and just. And just let it kind of unfold. So
Teague
you think if they don't get 80, they wouldn't be a top team, though, like in the West? Yeah, well, Avia, he had an all star year, averaging 20 something. Dame coming back. You know, Dame, he got a chip on his shoulder. He about to try to prove something, and you get AD and clinging, and you still got John Morant in that mix. He got something to prove. I think that's a dangerous team. More than the Wizards. Like the Wizards, Trey Young got something to prove, but I just don't see them keeping AD With Alex R. Having a year that he had last year and the promise that he been showing.
King ISO
Yeah.
Teague
Don't see it. And they got a bunch of young dudes on that team. A bunch.
King ISO
They got a bunch of young dudes who can go. My only problem with the Wizards is I don't want to see AJ DeBonsa get lost in the sauce. Meaning, you know, Trey trying to prove himself. AD Trying to prove himself.
Teague
That's why you gotta move on. You gotta trade that deep.
King ISO
Yeah. Because you. You think about it. It's hard, man, for a rookie or for a phenom to come right into the league, and guys just kind of defer to him. You know what I mean? Like, I ain't saying, you know, I don't think Trey. I ain't saying Trey ain't gonna do that. I just think Trey is a hell of a facilitator, that he can make the game a lot easier for AD And AJ you know what I mean? And vice versa. You know, they talk about the. The defensive lows of Trey, but I think with all these long, athletic guys who can protect the rim, who can guard. Cause they ain't just got Trey, bro. They got some guys coming off that bench who can get money.
Teague
Yeah.
King ISO
So I'm looking for the Wizards to be exciting. You know what I mean? I'm looking for Trey to get off. I'm looking to see AJ do his thing. I'm looking to see AD Help change the coach over there, man. I think those dudes can be a hell of a playoff team in the East. You talking about sending AD to the West?
Teague
The east better than the west now.
Josh Smith
I like them in Portland, though.
King ISO
You think the east better than the west now?
Teague
Yeah, it's only. It's only okc Denver. We question Denver a little bit.
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Teague
Spurs. Okc. Spurs. We questioned Denver a little bit. Then after that, who.
King ISO
What about Houston?
Teague
Nah, I'm good. I'm good.
King ISO
Damn. I don't know.
Teague
I'm good. I'm good.
King ISO
I don't know if the East. I don't know if the east better than the West.
Teague
Come on, you got Boston. They gonna be good. You got Philly gonna be good. Indiana getting Tyrese back.
King ISO
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I know you. I know you gonna throw your Indiana. I know you gonna throw.
Teague
I'm not even an Indiana fan, though.
King ISO
But I'm just Saying, I already know. I already know, but. And you know, my boy Gennaro over there, he over there coaching, you know, so I, I, I, I think the
Teague
other day at the gym.
King ISO
Yeah, yeah. I try to roof y' all on the low, but I don't see it. I don't see it with the Pacers, bro. That didn't me, though. I don't see it.
Teague
They just. Hey, before Tyrese got hurt, we was topping the East. You still got Detroit, who was number one in the east last year. Nobody talking about them no more because
King ISO
I think they ain't gonna. I don't think they. I don't think they too gung ho about bringing big fella back.
Teague
Nah, they not.
Josh Smith
Who you talking about? Who you said? Yeah.
King ISO
Huh?
Josh Smith
They paid him.
King ISO
What they paying.
Josh Smith
He got like a two something for five years.
Teague
They, they did it already.
Josh Smith
They paid him.
Teague
Did they?
King ISO
It wasn't, it was, it wasn't the max, though, was it?
Josh Smith
That's damn near. That's overpaid.
Teague
I ain't know he got paid yet. I'm happy for him.
Josh Smith
Everybody, they get paid for sure.
King ISO
It's the, it's, it's the timing, bro. They gotta pay him. They gotta pay him, fellas. Think about that.
Josh Smith
I appreciate the time and though. I'm happy for these young guys.
King ISO
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, because think about it, he was such a huge piece to what the Pistons did, bro. They can't just let that man walk, man.
Teague
Yeah.
King ISO
Now they gotta try to get somewhat of a discount.
Josh Smith
But no, during the season, though, like, these folks don't found a matrix in the game. They don't find a glitch in the game when it comes to, like, I'm just gonna ball during the season. You feel me? Hopefully they could just. Hopefully I can go 20 and something in the season and maybe, hopefully I make. I have one good game in the playoffs and then I can knock the bag off.
King ISO
You get What I'm saying is the thing is the regular season, you know, you can get by. Cause. Cause teams ain't really game planning like that. You feel me? When we get to the postseason. Yeah, when we get to the postseason. Yeah, we get to the postseason. Not only is it a half court game, but we trying to expose your weaknesses. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
Josh Smith
If I'm an owner, if I'm a gm, right? What am I paying the guy for? Am I paying him for granted, I do want him to be healthy, right. I want him to play 82 games. But what do I What am I really paying him for? Am I paying for him to get. Get me a ring, you know what I'm saying? Or. Yeah, my paying for him to be one of them impact players in the playoffs.
King ISO
Yeah, you, You.
Smooth
You.
King ISO
You paying for the hopes of winning the championship. Winning the title. Considering the fact that y' all made it to the. What was that? The Eastern Conference semis. That was semis, right? Seven games with Cleveland. Yeah, they probably felt like they really should have won that series. Yeah, they. They in hopes of. Damn. All we need is a little more scoring, maybe some more shooting, you know, around Cade so we can take some of the load off. Cause I just thought Cade, he had to be too heroic in the postseason just for them to even. Just for them to even be in the damn game. I'm like, bro, it's gonna be hard to win like that.
Teague
But they were so early in they process. That's why I was like, why y' all don't pay them? Y' all. In year two of this process, y' all was just. Y' all made the playoffs. Then y' all became number one.
Josh Smith
You saying why they paid you said, why?
Teague
I'm saying, why wouldn't they? It's just early in a process of being a team. You know what I mean? Like, they ain't. Like, they was all in year 12.
Josh Smith
Okay, question to y', all, though. What. What do you pay that. The time that.
King ISO
That, that.
Teague
That.
Josh Smith
That twin.
Teague
Oh, he wanted to prepare defenders. If he learned how to shoot a corner, three, go work with him.
Josh Smith
But do you. Do you.
Smooth
Do you.
Josh Smith
Do you pay him before that? Like, knowing that?
King ISO
Yeah, I'm saying he ain't up to. He probably ain't up to what next summer, right? I think. I think smooth. I think what I think if I'm Detroit, I make sure young boy been in the gym all summer, man. I just. You got to work on that catch and shoot. You got to have that in today's game if you want to be one of the premier guys defensively. Yeah, Hell, he gonna guard the best player. He gonna wreck havoc. He gonna be great on that end. I even think he can, you know, when he ain't. When he ain't out of control, you know what I mean? His driving ability is elite. I just think you gotta be able to shoot nowadays, though, bro. Especially if you playing that 2, 3 spot. Hell, even if you the 4, 5, hell, if you can't shoot, you better be jumping over the damn moon to catch this live. You know what I mean? I just Think the way the game. The way the game is today, you gotta be able to score that ball.
Josh Smith
Because I say that. Because at what point do I pay a guy for defense if the rules keep changing? For an offensive guy to be able to. It benefits the offense. He has to be so elite that I would want to pay him 90 million.
King ISO
Yeah.
Josh Smith
Because if I'm paying. If I'm paying him 90 million and he can't. He really can't stop nobody. You get what I'm saying?
King ISO
Yeah, Yeah.
Josh Smith
I don't waste. I really. I ain't. I done wasted my 90 million.
King ISO
Yeah.
Teague
Nah, I think he got so much room for development. Like, you know, how it gonna.
Josh Smith
You remember? Like, okay, like, Avery Bradley was an elite defender.
Teague
Yeah.
Josh Smith
Drew Holiday probably was the best perimeter defender I ever seen him in the. In, like, in my. In my days of playing.
Teague
Yeah.
King ISO
Yeah.
Josh Smith
And so I'm like, hold on, hold on, hold on.
King ISO
You think Drew Holiday was better than. What's the little guard who was in Boston, Jeff? We should pick guys.
Josh Smith
I said, Avery Bradley. Yeah.
Teague
No, boy.
Josh Smith
Yeah, they was. They were nasty, bro. So I say, like, those two, I'm like, you know, but what, like, who in today's game is like a really. A lockdown defender?
Teague
He is a sword. Thompson is.
King ISO
Yeah.
Teague
The way he was going down.
Josh Smith
What about his brother? What about his brother? The same way, too.
Teague
Yeah. But his brother got a little more G, though,
King ISO
his brother. Nice.
Josh Smith
Yeah.
King ISO
His brother can go. He probably got a little more offensive package than him, but.
Josh Smith
Man, when I wanted Detroit a dog, though, bro, I seen him, like, up close, he ain't. He ain't really going like that.
Teague
He ready to fight and everything.
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Teague
Like, dang.
Josh Smith
I'm like, okay.
King ISO
Hey, when I seen. When I seen the regimen that. That those two twins went through when they was in high school, just preparing for hoops just to be in shape. Conditioning, bro. That's different, bro. I think them dudes was running like crazy, Miles, doing crazy push ups, you know that. I think. I don't know if it was a dad or not, but they had somebody pushing them and they understand that because them boys gonna be in some shape and they gonna play hard. Like you say the one in Detroit. He just gotta find that jump shot, bro. He fine because he getting too many wide open looks. And in the post, it, I'm like, damn. I'm talking about. They wasn't even hitting the rim, fellas. I'm just keeping real. And I'm a fan. I'm saying, like, you wide open like that boy, that's demoralized. You swing it to somebody, they ain't hitting the rim.
Teague
Hey, that remind me of the game we had when I was young. You passed it to me for the game winner against Boston. I ear about that one I looked at. I try to shake. Y' all hear everybody just shaking their head.
King ISO
Hey, listen, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something, man. When I first got here to Atlanta, bro, you know, Smooth shoot a lot of jump shots, so. And they come in in unopportune times. So coach would come to me, it'd be Mike Wilson. He'd be like, hey, man, you gotta go tell Josh. It'd be like mid game, he black. You gotta tell Josh when that ball swing them, he need to drive. Don't shoot that damn ball no more. So I go, I go right to Smooth, look him dead in his face. He'll look me dead in my face, T. I said, hey, Smooth, don't shoot that no more, man. Drive. Or if your man go trap, you follow that ball gets swung to Smooth.
Smooth
What he do?
King ISO
He let that hoe go.
Teague
I remember y' all had a bet with him, bro. He wouldn't shoot three that he just shot all 15 footer. I can't remember what year that was.
Josh Smith
The best seasons of my life.
Teague
You was hooping, bro.
Josh Smith
I was, I was. I should have got All Star that year. I thought she was gonna be an
Teague
All Star that year for sure.
King ISO
Hey, it's, it's, it's. It's a lot different when you locked in and then picture. Dude, bro, he don't even warm up. Like, you know, how you gonna warm up for the game? Like, I gotta go out there and see if the rim south. What that.
Josh Smith
How that net swishing the thing. You ain't see. You ain't see it being soft in the morning time. How much. How much warming up shooting we want to do?
Teague
There we go.
Josh Smith
We go shoot around that thing for about an hour, an hour, half.
King ISO
Oh, yeah, okay.
Josh Smith
We go back home, we come back, shoot some more then. Okay, so then it's only a 15 minute slot, so I'm coming there. If I hit two or three in a row, hey, man, I gotta go back inside. I'm only shooting eight to nine shots a game, so, you know, I know where they coming from. You know what I'm saying? I know when I get. When I get to. When I get the rebound, you're gonna run with me to get you some open looks.
King ISO
Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Hold on, hold on. When you get when you get the rebound. Now I'm sprinting to the corner because I know you're gonna do a 360 pass. It's gonna be a bullet to the corner. Ain't nobody know it's coming but me. I said, oh, yeah. I know he see me over here. Crossovers a jump. So spin five ball into the corner. Okay, cool. I got you, Smooth. Don't worry about it.
Josh Smith
Wait. It's all the way. I gotta get my guy. Easy. Look, man, hard time. They would tilt on you on the offensive end.
King ISO
Hey, hey, I appreciate you, bro. Hey, the one thing I always.
Josh Smith
Man, that's what made me feel like my bad. Made me feel like you was the coldest. Because it's like, you know, you and everybody. Scout report, you know what I'm saying? Still. Still giving. You still giving dudes buckets tearing their ass up. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, that's why I'm like, okay, I got to find my man some kind of open looks.
King ISO
I appreciate that. I was glad when T figured it out, too. Hell, T, find your boy over here, man. Let me get an open one. You know, they all on me. I can't even get a good damn look, man, fine.
Teague
The thing I appreciated about y', all, y' all IQ for the game was super high. Like, when I met. For me, knowing Smooth, I knew him from high school. Cause he was committing to Indiana and all that stuff. So I just knew he could jump. But when I got there, I'm like, this dude really know basketball. Like, he had a super high iq, obviously. I knew he was a good defender and all that stuff. But his IQ for the game was so high, obviously. Yo, yo, IQ was super high, too. And I was like, damn. And Bibby, IQ was off the charts.
King ISO
Oh, yeah.
Teague
He knew how to do everything sneaky. He knew how to get away with not playing no defense. He knew everything. I'm like, bro, y' all IQs is off the chart, bro. I learned a lot from y'.
King ISO
All. What do you say, Smooth?
Josh Smith
He told me, they ain't bring me in here to wow y' all with my defense.
King ISO
Hell nah.
Josh Smith
Yeah. He was like, josh, you got me, right?
King ISO
He said, you got my back, don't you?
Josh Smith
I said, yeah.
King ISO
Hey, listen, I swear, I swear to y', all, the funniest team I ever been on in life, bro, is when we got Jamal Crawford here. Oh, man. Jamal Crawford, Bibby and YouTube, man.
Teague
That was a hilarious team when y' all hung mo clothes up, man.
King ISO
Oh, man.
Teague
One of the greatest moments of my life, man.
King ISO
We had a not so serious team if I ever been around one in my life, bro. But we had a lot of fun, man.
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King ISO
Damn, we had a lot of fun.
Teague
That was one of the greatest teams I ever been a part of. I'm like, these dudes is crazy. Y' all ain't listening to nothing. What he saying before the game. Y' all throwing paper at him. Nervous because he mean to me, so I'm nervous. Like, he talking. I'm looking at him. Y' all throwing paper at him.
King ISO
It was. Hey, hey. It was that damn Bibby, bro. Bibby ain't had no chill.
Josh Smith
It was him, bro.
Teague
You getting Bibby on. Y' all gonna have Bibby on here. We need to.
King ISO
I need it
Josh Smith
so y' all don't tell it. Tell what's going on, man. Was a bad influence. I'm just gonna keep it. I ain't going elaborating.
Teague
Bibby held it down, but that was my guy, man.
King ISO
Yeah, that was my dude, bro.
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Hosted by King ISO, with guests Josh Smith (“Smooth”) and Jeff “Teague” Teague
This episode of Nightcap is taken over by King ISO, as regular hosts Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson are on vacation. Joining him for the takeover are former NBA stars Josh Smith (aka “Smooth”) and Jeff Teague. The discussion centers on recent seismic shifts in the NBA, with a focus on LeBron James’ groundbreaking move to Philadelphia, the evolving legacy and future of the Atlanta Hawks, the critical role of Joel Embiid in Philly, and an in-depth examination of roster challenges for the Wizards and Blazers. Most of the episode is filled with lively, unfiltered banter, rich storytelling, and genuine basketball insight, punctuated by nostalgic reminiscing about their days in the league.
This episode is a unique blend of locker room storytelling and up-to-the-minute league analysis, frontlined by former players who keep it real about today’s NBA—on and off the court. Whether you care about LeBron’s next chapter, player development in the NIL era, roster construction, or the evolving defense-offense debate, there is something for every hardcore hoops fan here.